Hello ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, it's law crimes being never late and always
on time.
Everything was fine.
How is everybody?
Well, we're all good brother.
Merry Christmas everyone who's watching, Merry Christmas to the boys.
I'm seeing no one else was on dressed on theme.
So yeah, appreciate it.
Silly.
I can't wait to receive, you know, lovely compliments in the chat.
You know, you know, it's going to be a donation on brand on theme for your hat.
Actually, nothing but positive.
What do we do today, boys?
Because it's a bit on the theme, isn't it?
Wow.
Sorry, I'm just distracted by DJ Beast comments going, how it looks like the kidnapped child
elf and he looks like a racist trucker.
It's a white scars hat.
It's very tolerant.
It's very, very good.
Anyway, so today we're doing a tier list and this was Hal's idea, I believe.
This time we're going to rank all of the Christmas boxes.
So these are the, are they the, what they called Hal, the specific title for these?
Battle forces.
So some of us's priority is a bit late to buy them because they always sell out within
like two minutes.
Yeah.
But yeah, the dark angels one is gone.
I had a look and I was like, oh, it looks nice.
Unless they were a particularly bad one.
There have been a few of those.
If you're a few lucky people that are out there, there are some I'm assuming floating
around at any point, but mostly this is GW's version of like, we are just going to try
and give you maximum savings, although I won't say maximum savings, the last one is, but
these do some of them, some of these drew, like they truly have a fantastic, you know,
money saving element and you get a fantastic range of models.
Others are clearly not in the same echelon and it's really just, it feels like GW are
dumping what's left in stock.
I have bought a few in my time, maybe one or two, but for kind of, we want to rate them,
see which ones are actually kind of worth it or, you know, decent model.
Maybe some that'll have law potential or things where it's like, yeah, like, you know, that's
actually something to get excited about or, and if it maybe just stinks like asshole,
maybe this one is terrible.
Like, you know, what the hell are they doing?
Again, already, already peddling the terrible slop.
But I appreciate it boys.
There's probably, I don't know, I will say the first, there's no Eldar battle forces
there.
No, no, there's not.
Thank you.
I was referring to the old like 2006 one in my, in my, in my caption, but there's no new
one.
Yeah.
I had a look and there was one in like late, like I think it was 2018.
There was one with a lot of yellow.
And I was like, Oh, Eldar.
And then it's like nothing since.
Yeah.
I would like to, before we start, say go to hell chat.
I'm finishing my glass of water right now.
Then there was no case though, but we're going to go straight into it though.
I will say as well, Merry Christmas everyone.
Thank you guys so much for the support and all that stuff.
Christmas.
Yep.
We got some, we're going to start off strong and you know, the most unique, you know, like
crazy fashion.
No one ever think of this.
This is space.
I think we might have zoom in here just to give people a, this is the interdiction force.
So it's kind of hard to see, but interdiction force.
So you've got like a, actually I had the breakdown.
I've got a, I have the, yeah, I've got a, it includes a Primaris captain in Phobos armor
and Invictus tactical war suit and impulsor Primaris infiltrators slash in cursors and
some Primaris Reavers.
The total savings, I think at the time this, I think there's more like a Tony Tony when
this originally came out.
There's probably a few of these knocking about yet 23 models.
I mean, it was, I think it costs about 120 pounds, which is $200 boosted up apparently
at the time.
It's when it came out and the total savings that you could get from this box that was
55 quid slash $91 compared to what you do get for you just buy the models regularly.
I mean, it's a lot of the Phobos.
I mean, it's all Phobos basically.
Yeah.
Every day.
Yeah.
I mean, it depends how people feel about this.
I honestly do think I don't like this one is D tier.
The D tier.
I don't like the dread naughty, the open chested.
I don't like that much either, but I like the rest of the Phobos guys.
It depends.
Are we going off of like, is a mix of like what the saving value is verse and also kind
of what you get in the kit.
Cause saving value, I think you say quite a bit, but honestly, like even now, like to
the current balance of 10th edition, a lot of the things that are on offer here are not
necessarily, I mean, if we'll trade as a useful Reivers, apparently trying to save them.
Have it like, and they're trying to save Reivers.
Like, you know, there's nothing wrong with looking at what you're getting out of tabletop
value on a box.
If you're playing a theme army though, this is, this is great for like Raven art or Raptors
or something.
Is D too harsh then?
Have I been to use these as also just units kind of in your army?
There's nothing particularly spicy.
It's just no, it's thank you for coming.
You submitted your assignment to do better.
You didn't fail.
Yeah.
I mean, the, the captain info was on me as well.
Like I, that's one of the more uglier space in the model.
I feel like it's not as well balanced as some of the thing.
I honestly, I think it's kind of the fastest Akaran from space.
Yeah.
I mean, he's, can I have like a battle for best I can do as a, as one, maybe see for
that then.
Next one.
Eradication Legion, Necrons.
I have this one up as ready much better than this.
This one is quite cool.
This one was came with a cryptic, with a conoptic cloak.
Okay.
He had a warriors and scarabs.
It had a triarch stalker, the conoptic spider, triarch praetorian slash lich guard, immortals
and a doom scythe slash night scythe.
That's a good box.
That is everything you need to start Necrons.
That's pretty, pretty all around good.
Yeah.
The fact that you can,
Try that for starting or says like a complimentary thing for what you have already.
I even, there's nothing in that box again, like even now that's not useful.
The technomancer is particularly, well, it's like all the time crypt tech, but I think
it's just playing as technomancer now, which is okay.
At 2020, I think it was just called crypt tech, but it's pretty damn good if you're
able to spy like some like race.
And then you basically got a really like fantastic Necron army shout out to my boy, Matt, who
every time plays Necrons and I never seem to beat him.
Pretty good set though.
Like huge, like decent amount of models in the entire thing.
And the models that you have are all like kind of the modern up to date, like good looking
ones.
There's nothing in there that looks jank.
I think we should hear the savings before we make our final decision.
Well, yes, sorry.
The savings, it was, it was retailed at 125 pounds, so 210.
So it's a little bit time bit more expensive than the previous one, but the total savings
was 74 pounds slash $109, which in comparison to the other one, it actually does save you
a bit more money.
So it's actually even a better deal compared to that.
That's an SQ box for me, bro.
Yeah, I would have.
If we're just reading the most recent stuff.
I mean, it's probably, again, for the people listening, no longer probably available at
all, but it was pretty good that they were able to get that out though.
I think if they want to start, find it if he can.
So the next one is the Bastion platoons, guards and stuff.
Big tank, big tank, the Hydra though.
Does anyone use a Hydra?
This might be old enough that this is before the Cadian troop refresh bit.
So this is the older models in this box.
This one is called Bastion platoon.
I can read it out for you.
It is a Cadian command squad, two Cadian shock troops, Sentinel, Chimera, Cadian heavy weapons
squad and a Hydra.
That's pretty cool.
I don't, the Hydra is so out of place, but everything else is really cool.
The Hydra is also cool, but it's big.
I don't see why you wouldn't just have a Leemun Rust though or a Basilisk, but it's still
cool and it comes with lots of infantry.
Which is nice.
It's just the designers going like, can we just put the one with four turrets on the
box?
Cause that looks cool.
They probably weren't selling enough of them.
And so they just put them in the box.
This one did cost 120 pounds slash 200 bucks and it's only a total saving of six Lee quid
slash 92 dollars, which is kind of basically the same as the previous ones really.
They're actually quite even 2020, you know, a lot of this is what pandemic I guess at
the time as well.
So I put a beats here because flyers are already useless.
So you don't need a Hydra to shoot flyers with.
Yeah.
For the last 10 years.
And it also does have the older, I mean, there was an update to the Cadian troops as well,
like a year later or something.
So you know, poor guard getting their codex at the end of the night.
I was at the end of night edition.
Yeah.
So my boys.
Love me guard.
I mean, I just don't feel strongly about that one.
We got this star post card.
How the.
All right.
Okay.
Come on.
Okay.
I see a piranha on S tier.
Reading it out is a commander, fire warriors, pathfinder team, crisis team, broadside and
a piranha.
That's pretty good.
I mean, like it's you got plenty of infantry, drones to go with them.
You've got a crisis suit team.
You got a broadside, you got the piranha.
This is a, this feels like kind of like a Necron box.
This looks like everything you need to start a tower.
I would have liked to see that there'd be a big tank in it like all the other ones, but
the piranha will suffice.
It kind of makes up for it with like the, like the battle suits.
Yeah.
It's, it would be a bigger centerpiece model would be nice, but I feel like kind of.
Scooch is around where it's like, you know, we've got four, you know, five decently sized
models.
You got plenty of infantry and drones.
Like maybe, maybe not S tier like the Necrons, but I'd honestly say a.
A tier is pretty legit.
I'm happy with that one.
The savings on this one was 62 pounds slash 99 bucks.
So kind of, that's pretty good.
Kind of the same, maybe slightly more than the law, but the other ones have to offer
like just a tiny bit.
So it's again, the only problem with that, you kind of do need with like, I guess modern
town now, like it's not a hoard army, but you do need quite a lot of models.
So this one is quite every army nowadays, isn't it?
Whatever this one's, this one's quite a good deal though.
I'd say though.
The only downside is you actually collect towel and people make, okay.
All right.
Come on.
The science fiction game, the aliens are allowed to have fun.
If we're talking about the next, now we're going from aliens to heretics.
This is the decimation.
I remember not liking this one.
Pretty sure.
Well, I don't think you guys are gonna like this one.
What's contained within this box is a chaos Lord, which is actually the old Lord now.
So you can't get this one.
It's one from a black stone fortress.
It has a chaos space Marine squad, a habit squad, a chaos terminator squad, and a forge
fiend, which we felt a force feed can be made into a model of them.
Yeah.
So it's kind of a option though.
I'm gonna argue for beat here and hear me out.
It's you know, it's got, it is mostly yes, just dudes.
But at the very least it's like one squad of standard, you got your Havocs and you got
terminators.
Yeah.
It is a good start.
And then there's, you know, the big center.
Yeah.
Like as a start, this is pretty good.
I imagine if you got this, like, and you know, you've been collecting chaos for a little
while, probably not gonna need it.
Because again, it is a lot of basic stuff.
But if you've been looking at, at the time, all of these come with a caveat of at the
time because the planes were sold out or just non-production.
Bear in mind, these are all the 2020 boxes.
So we're going from 2020 to 2024.
I'm very sad we didn't go before that.
The hardest part is.
So you might change your mind Colin here though, because the total retail price was again,
120 pounds slash 200 bucks, but the total savings was only 45 pounds.
Oh man.
This is actually the worst.
That's tough.
Top of C.
That definitely hurts.
Yeah.
It's gonna be because of the terminators, but even worse savings and it's like, that's
tough.
It's difficult because this is really before like a lot more of the chaos stuff got refreshed.
So it kind of was a, I mean, some of these sculpts are showing some age now and not in
terms of like look, but how you put them together.
I mean, is anyone like that gassed about a chaos, like just squalled like a normal chaos
warrior like, or.
Yeah.
Although to be fair, even now, all those things are relevant to any sort of attachment though,
but I think C tier just because you save as much money and you get less for your choice
compared to the other box sets though.
What is the next one there Andy?
That's pretty good.
I remember.
Grood swarm.
Maybe.
This is the last of the 40 K ones for 2020.
This is before the 10th edition refresh that I say.
Yep.
There's some old tier nids.
Now to be fair, older tier nids do have their charm.
There is something about it.
I'm not going to say they don't have charm.
I am going to say boy, the old G gene steelers were awesome.
I'm sure when they first came out, they were awesome.
Looking at them nowadays is like listening to people talk about this hit new record player.
It's like, boy, it's a, we sure have gotten better with age.
Yeah.
Gargoyle is a real nice thing.
What is included in the box though is a hive tyrant.
Gene Sealer brood, there's two of those.
A gargoyle brood, a hive guard and a horse, how do we, I can't, I can't, I can't pronounce
this one.
Hyrospex.
There you go.
Or an ore slash an exocrene.
This is a weird box.
This one is a little bit more expensive than the other ones though.
It was 125 pounds slash 210 bucks and a total savings was 65 pounds.
That's $103.
So you do actually, it is like a few bucks more, only 10 bucks more, but you actually
did save 10 more bucks anyway.
So you kind of were fine again with hindsight.
Now I think a lot of, like you wouldn't buy this box ever today just because all the stuff
in there basically got redone, which kind of sucks.
But I guess at the time it's cool.
It's really weird.
They don't, they mixed like a bunch of different units together that don't really feel like
they're supposed to be in the same army.
I think this would be a really good box if you were like adding a bunch of just random
stuff to your Ternid army.
Yeah.
Like I'm sure like you'd have a hive tyrant, but everything else is in the territory of,
you know, maybe, maybe I'll try this out for a new list.
So you could probably do that.
It's just the, it's just the plugging holes box.
It's like, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
That's, that's a really good description.
I feel like this is the, yeah, this is the, this is the patch job box.
You're like, Oh, I miss an X, Y, and Z. Here's the box of X, Y, and Z.
The double gene sealers is weird.
The flex tape of Warhammer.
I have to say, I really, I had missed the chat just for a second.
I've come back to the comments from Rerepepe saying my toes are dry because Colin won't
keep his promise.
I really have missed the context all before that.
He's been saying stuff about licking his feet for the last like 30 minutes.
Right.
Oh my God.
We do have a few things on here.
I think we had a few donations though if you want to point to.
Yeah.
Read those.
We do appreciate you boys so much.
I can, I can start going them off.
I've got them pulled up.
I'll put them on screen if you want to put them on.
Yep.
That would also be good.
Donkeyman USA with the fiver.
Thank you.
Stream late due to how gooning with Santa and the reindeer.
Alright.
The worst thing is that comment was just like prophetic visions because that was before it
started.
Bloody shirt music with a two.
Primark Fetish tier list when.
No.
Thank you for the two.
One minute.
Yeah.
That's my.
Yeah.
Oh, he's there.
We've summoned him.
Just managed long of sickness.
Five bucks exalted of the red angel goes and ask you can't change my mind.
P.S. elf bad.
Well, you threw in that at the end.
Go.
Thank you for the vibe.
World Eaters players.
Damn.
I don't think I have the next one.
Is that one?
Well, these are now the age of Sigma one for 2020.
So this one is the ogre more tribes might have got the signal one.
Unfortunately, I'd say but yeah, it is just called Gourmar tribes.
They just named out.
No meat grinder war glut.
There it is under the big old name.
What is the name?
I mean, it is definitely an ogre box.
You get a tyrant.
You get 10.
Just know you get 12.
Just standard bruisers.
I don't I think you get four lead belchers.
I don't remember the name of the ogres in the back with the like bigger melee weapons,
but they sure are ogres.
Again, you get a giant and you get a big old cannon.
I mean, comparing that to what is essentially the ogre spearhead right now.
I imagine it's not quite it really lacks like variation in play for like it's kind of just
a big isn't it?
It is just a big mob, but the ogre spearhead it has one different unit.
Well, I don't know it only has one unit that isn't in this and it's the cavalry, which
granted yeah, but yeah, that's my boy.
No, no, there's lead belchers here.
Never mind.
I don't know a quantity of the same thing over variety.
Most of this box is a big guy who hits things where the ogre spearhead has a little bit
more but I will give the battle for some credit.
1617 including the giant models of ogres coming to beat you to death, you know, that's the
ogre army they they charge and then they rip you into pieces and this box is sure doing
that.
Is there any savings that have it on there?
Let me see.
You need to ask me.
I do not prefer to go into any to the New Testament or Old Testament brother.
Oh my gosh.
I don't know sacrilegious.
It looks like the savings here are not very good.
The price is 125 pounds and 210 dollars and you save 35 pounds and 50 dollars and 50 cents.
I think this bad boy is tough.
Asked to go to the bottom of seat.
Oh yeah, you know what?
No, those savings are abysmal.
I think it can stay at the top of D tier because it knows what it wants to do and it does it.
But boy those savings are brutal.
That one a D for destitute that was like that's not even funny how bad the savings were.
They have some redemption later on ogres don't worry though.
I wish we could do that.
I want to buy that spearhead of ogres so bad just because I have ideas about that army.
So next one.
Disciples of Siege.
I see 27 models.
This has some stuff in it.
It's got a let me let me pull up a picture of it.
I've got the I've got the battle force.
I just want to see it as a picture.
I like my pictures.
It's got a it's got a lot of change.
You know you can never really go wrong with that.
It has a whole lot of horrors.
It's looking like the same one that we're looking at.
Oh wait no this might be I don't think that's the same one background.
This is the one that is still available in stores though.
I know this one.
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah no Andy that's that's currently in stores.
I think that might be a spearhead but we can use it in place because I do have what the
what this box has.
Okay.
The Disciples of Siege has zangors zangor and lightnings.
Hey that's cool.
A lord of change so you know that's doing some lifting.
A gaunt summoner and kyrik acolytes.
You know some standards just fellas with some weapons to hit.
Now I actually say this value of this box kind of goes up quite a lot because so much
of what's actually in the box is translatable into 40k as well.
It is you can double team and I'm sure if you want to just turn the kyrik acolytes just
say they're cultists just run them as cultists.
They are in I think they're not the warcry one as well that's a different zinchin unit
I think.
But I've got something that just looking at you know the variety of this box it's not
great I'm never escaping zangor hell but it does save things a bit.
Sale price 125 pounds 210 bucks total savings from is 65 pounds and 102 dollars.
The usual value is 190 pounds 312 dollars so I will give it credit it's saving on some
models.
That's pretty good and I think the fact that it does translate into the lord of change
can also be kairos fateweaver as well.
Yeah that's again that's another nice thing.
Zangor and lighten can be two variations as well it could be a melee variation or a range
one which again can then be put in 40k.
Zangor's my beloved just standard zangor.
I mean they are a meme.
You can always use a wizard it's a zinchi army fun fact you can you can always fit another
wizard into the army.
I think that with like even from what I currently know the zinchi faction though is just not
as strong compared to a lot of the other stuff which I do again like I guess I can't write
the box set on that the box is more about just like what do you like rather than how
the faction is doing because balance changes all the time.
I would I may put this one at the does it go in a or is it deserved to be in B.
I'd say top of B. A lot of what's doing that is like the heavy lifting on the savings like
with the savings you could almost buy another lord of change so I'd say it's pretty good
value.
Okay.
A bit too heavy on the zangor but that's a I'm less I'm more accepting of that fantasy.
Yeah I'm more accepting of that fantasy in AOS because the goat monsters you know they're
beastmen they belong there.
We should do a whole podcast episode just on zangors.
I might just do one stream.
Just like the variation.
Beastsmen, kongors, zangors.
How about we just do ourselves a wait where's this?
Carriage and overlord is the next one sorry.
Oh I thought you were talking about a beastman battle for so like I want I don't see this
in zoom put it into immediate F tier because you can't use it anymore.
What's the carriage and overlord one and what do you mean?
Is this called carriage and overlord?
Again I think I might have made a mistake.
This is what the internet told me.
It is called the barak nahr sky fleet and with it it's a I will say a little jumping
ahead there's not too much in it but it is pretty good on the savings so you get this
might be the best dwarf name I've ever heard brock grungson.
I want to put into S tier just for that guy alone.
Two grunstock gun haulers which are the two little blimps.
A an arcanoc frigate which is the big blimp and six sky wardens slash endron riggers which
are the the normal dudes with the balloons.
I guess the benefit of this bar I don't say a downside by the way is actually the benefit.
There's not much in the carriage and overlord range so this might just be the range that
we're looking at.
You are missing like the basic infantry but it gives you a good amount of the specials
a big I like big bio shock blimp all right.
I'm very biased I like the bio shock aesthetic.
With the savings though total value is 190 in pounds 308 in dollars and you save 65 pounds
for this one being only 125 and 98 dollars for 210.
I would have won the best so far actually.
I'd say B tier honestly like it's pretty good.
It's like here.
You know I think maybe maybe I would move the zinch one down.
I would honestly put it like above the zinch one because okay you can buy a whole nother
big blimp and have 18 bucks left over with how much this thing costs or you're two dollars
short of another set of those two little blimps.
So and like for buying this army it saves you like enough to actually get more of this
army relatively speaking.
And having a smaller range means that you don't need to buy as many different types
of units so this containing a lot of your essential units is actually really handy.
Obviously yeah or you can you can you know go the other way and buy some of the basic
infantry with what you save so I would say top of B top of B.
What's the next one I haven't seen that one.
Gloom Spire Gitz.
Gloom Spire.
That's still one of the coolest things about AOS is like the whole goblin.
They turn goblins into a nightmare horror faction.
I just I still is I love that in the gotcha.
I think it is like Gitzlayer maybe is it.
I think it's the one that is the guy who stares at the moon and the moon is like winking back
at him.
So what's his name?
I'm forgetting his name but his whole thing is the moon talked back to him once and he
will lead his people from that.
Also the moon has a meteor that floats around it that's Skarsnik.
Shout out to my boy Skarsnik he finally made it.
They didn't forget about him.
Don't ask how he turned into a rock.
I do.
So this comes with a unit of squig hoppers.
Oh my god.
I like squigs.
A loon boss on a giant cave squig which is the bigger one up front.
Six rotgut troggoth so stone trolls.
And a dank hold troggoth slash trogg boss.
Big troll.
I do have to admit I like this box for what it gives you.
I have not looked much at the gloom spike gitz I've heard.
But you would usually want to focus on like you're gonna run trolls you want to go a bit
heavier on the trolls if you're gonna run the normal guys go a bit heavier on the normal
guys so I think it is a little bit like split down the middle kind of like the tyrannid
box if it's like it's not really committing to one thing but it does give you enough of
each of those things that you can use it for either a patchwork or to get a start on the
army so I'm not gonna penalize it too much.
What I do feel I should penalize it for is the savings.
It's not the worst.
It's not the ogre box.
But retail value is a hundred I guess actually all things considered it's also not a super
valuable box.
Retail value was 162 pounds.
You save 42.50 to bring it down to 120.
$270 you save 70 bucks to bring it down to 200.
It's actually not I guess now that I'm thinking about it.
It's only slightly worse than some of the ones in B tier.
I think you get like a saving of like 80 to 90.
Where do we put the chaos box?
Top of C.
I would I'd say put it right above because it's actually 1% worse on the savings than
the chaos box but the chaos box is also $80 more expensive.
Actually no hang on a minute.
The savings was worse.
The savings is a little bit worse on the gloom spite gets.
I think the thing is just like it's cheap relatively but also.
You do get a lot of models as well.
You get a lot for what you're buying.
Well, you have to have a lot of it.
May I put that in on a downside of it because it's obviously a fraction which is hoard.
Therefore you actually need to you need to assemble paint and get a huge army anyway.
So just kind of is a slight downside where it's like you don't feel like you're saving
as much money even though you bought off a whole huge ton of models.
I think even and it can be done where like the tiered one you can actually get really
good savings on a lot of these.
So I don't know maybe maybe in between the chaos and the space.
Okay, well just just to let you know guys we got a few to go.
Oh, I feel like we could skip some of the age of Seymour.
We're almost done for 2020.
So this one's Stormcast Eternals Vanguard Brotherhood.
And 32 miniatures is a big one.
I think it kind of goes downhill because a lot of those stormcast ones are no longer
relevant because they updated the range.
So at the time I would give this a C. It's got a lot of cats in it.
We'll leave it there then.
What's the next one?
Nighthawk Court of the Craven King.
46 miniatures.
This sure gives you a whole lot of chain wraiths or whatever they're called.
I give it B. It gives you some hex rates, give you some cavalry, gives you different
ghosts.
It's B.
Who's a spooky ghost?
Speed through some of these.
Skaven, Corrupting Warthworm.
45 miniatures.
I'm sure I see a...
He's only put an A because he's...
No, this is A tier.
You get a Plague Furnace, you get a Plagueclaw Catapult, which can be a Warp Lightning Cannon.
You get a Grey Seer.
You get 20 Plague Monks and 20 Clan Rats.
That right there...
Oh, and you get a Verban Lord.
That right there is a Skaven Army.
Damn.
Nice.
Yep.
Happy with the whole thing.
I think I might have made it... whoopsie.
This is Gloom Spike Gitz Fungal Loon Horde.
Was this the one we were mentioning before?
That was the one we were discussing.
Oh, I think it just kind of fell off.
What is that army then?
This one's also Gloom Spike.
I know it's just the same thing.
It's just a double.
It does look similar.
Close enough.
I have the next set though.
The next one is called a Shieldbreaker Strike Force.
And this is the first of 2021.
We're into 2021.
This is pandemic.
This is called Interdiction Force, according to the...
No, you're right.
Shieldbreaker Strike Force.
Shieldbreaker.
That's right.
In the name of expediency, I would like to put this directly above on the beat here,
the other Space Marine one, and just permanently keep it there.
Remove the list.
Because it's the same...
It's just dudes, but at least they remembered the bigger model.
There is actually quite good value in this kit though.
From the savings, this was 77 pounds slash 120 bucks of savings.
So this one was like a huge deal.
You do get Blade Guard, Captain, Heavy Intercessors, which are really quite good now.
Ten normal standard Intercessors and ten Assault.
And then I think that's just obviously...
What's the flying one called again?
It's not my list annoyingly.
Stormspeeder.
The flying Halo Lord Hawk.
No problem.
Stormspeeder, not really a value anymore.
Most of the kit, just like any part, it can be easily turned into other things.
A standard body for an Assault Intercessor or a normal Intercessor, it just can be like
jump pack Intercessors if you want.
You just buy jump packs.
So this kit could be made even more valuable and then the Captain is good.
The models don't drive me crazy on this one, but the value is...
You save so much value on it.
I think it deserves B at least.
Oh no, that's what I meant.
Put it in B above the other Space Marine one.
I see what you mean.
Yeah.
It doesn't have a Space Marine in B at the moment.
But it is Space Marine.
Move it up to the left too.
Have it hovering right above the other one.
I see.
The value is, however, doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Pretty good for the next one.
Yes.
The last one is Soroririritas, the Pergetos mission.
Pergetos on mission.
It's better than the new ones, I'm pretty sure.
This one was £105, £305.
Now, the slight problem with this one is the value saved in this was only £55, £95.
So not really close to what the Space Marine one was.
Slight upside though, what you do get in the kit is somewhat good.
The Exorcists obviously are still decent.
And then emulators.
What's the one that they can...
What's the damn one with the shields called again?
Eli, do you know what the shields are called again?
No.
I'm literally out of here.
Because they're newer then.
I don't know if they are called Sackworsam.
No.
It has the Dog Martyr model, which is like, I honestly think, believe one of the worst
is the Sisters.
Ah, dude.
S tier model without the helmet she's mewing.
S tier model.
It is... no, it is...
I love that model so much.
It's a worse saving as well.
That was some new Gen Z hire who somehow got permission to make a model.
Made a meme.
And you know what?
Respect to that person, whoever you are.
I'd rather just buy two Sisters combat patrols than this though.
And it's kind of a similar price, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, it's kind of...
It's not seated.
I don't think it's seated.
I think it's happily where it is.
I think bottom would be...
If you need two big old Sister tanks and a couple more infantry, it can't hurt.
It's not going to blow your minds.
It's just passing with a B minus, but it's decent.
Alright, the next one is Omniscience Talon.
Omniscience Talon.
Hell yeah.
Mechanicus.
I'm going to assume that it's a shock.
Yeah.
Mechanicus has not gotten anything good for a long time.
Now, fair enough.
The savings on this one is actually pretty much the same as the Sisters one, which is
52 pounds slash 93 bucks.
Not terrible.
Slight problem is it's kind of a bit of a disjointed kit.
It has a little bit of everything rather than...
And then the problem is even now, playing to modern Mechanicus and even at the time,
a lot of the must-have units are not really in this box at all.
Also, I'm pretty sure this is like, what, 200 points of AdMech because the AdMech just
gets railed in the rules the last few years.
I mean, it's still decent savings, not as good as a Space Dream one, but is it a D tier
though?
Is it D tier?
I don't remember.
I don't know how many points it is.
I would honestly say like bottom of C tier best because it's a patch job thing, but it's
a patch job for the Mechanicus, so none of those units are individually worth anything.
You would probably need like three of these boxes to have almost a thousand point army.
Little bit of exaggeration, but they are the best.
At the time, it was considered good value though.
They did think it was a good deal.
This is like ninth edition balance though.
Maybe that's up at a C tier just because it was more balanced.
I'm basing it off of what is currently 10th.
So I don't know if that's super fair, but I'd find-
What's going?
What is it?
Okay, put it there.
Put it there.
Play...
Plague Festa Warband.
Death Guard and stuff.
Ooh.
Plague Festa.
I'm a Death Guard hater, so I can't really tell you.
I can't believe it.
This one has-
How many of those Plague Risk Rollers have caused me many large amounts of pain?
Yeah, Plague Glass Roller, and we have a standard unit of just Plague Marines.
We have...
Which one's that?
What does that one stand for?
Deathsroud Terminators, looks like.
Deathsroud Terminators.
What's the other one that's in the box?
Is that an icon?
There's an icon bearer for some reason.
I've heard a video, I don't remember.
And then there's three Mythic Blight Haulers.
I guess it...
Now the savings on this one was...
You say it would cost you, well, £185-$310, and then you saved £65-$100.
So there's a bit more than some of the other ones in terms of savings, but-
Oh, it honestly...
Oh, there's a but.
There is a but here, which is there are a few things in the kit which are no longer...
The changes to indirect hit, particularly the Mythic Blight Hauler is now kind of not
played at all.
Anything indirect has been left behind.
The icon bearer is essentially useless.
No one would take that.
No one would take the Captain slash model, one with the Power Fist on there.
The rest of it though is pretty damn good.
I would still give it some credit because the Blight Hauler, it still helps with one
of the Death Guard's problems, which is a lot of their weapons are close range and they're
slow as shit.
Yeah, at this point in the game it felt like Death Guard were good at long range fighting,
speed, and close combat.
It was infuriating to me.
I fucking hated it.
It felt good at everything.
MS Box is just good at that, I guess.
The vehicles and the infantry both cover each other's weaknesses, the vehicles being the
infantry need to be close, the infantry being when something gets close to the vehicle,
then there might be a problem when a wave serpent vomits out a unit of fire dragons.
I would give it...
Well, yeah, of course.
That 5 plus Demon save has caused me so much agony.
Judging at the time though, it was pretty good.
I think it maybe even goes bottom, above Sisters somewhere, but it has to go in B because it
is a nice box, but you're missing a lot of the key components that you really need to
play Death Guard with.
Even if you have no transports, your heavy hitter now is no longer viable really in the
game, and three Mythic Brightholders is cool, but you would never need one or two.
Get the fine thought after that.
No Primarch, no transport, indirect fire nerfed.
Next one there.
World Skower Legion Necrons.
You got a couple of big tripod lads, you got a cryptic lad, you got a destroyer lad, a
bunch of flayers, ones with the big serpentine tail things.
Orphidian destroyers.
You do have two demons to look at, which is cool.
What was it called again, sorry?
World Skower Legion.
I mean, it's a solid looking box.
It has the cool cryptech in it, the Psychomancer.
It's got the cool cryptech, the two War of the Worlds tripods are never going to be unwelcome.
I guess there are a lot of pods here, but you know, same difference.
It's a cool box.
It's kind of weird.
It's a slash 90 bucks on savings, which is pretty much middle of the pack compared to
a lot of them.
I think, again, at the time when it came out, that was pretty good in terms of what's available
in the box.
One tenth balance, obviously switching to more, you know, with the Necrons, you're very
HQ heavy and unfortunately this box is missing a lot of like any of the viable.
Yeah, two boxes in a row that the cryptech is leading the army, which is kind of weird.
And the cryptech barely even fits in this one.
Why would he be hanging out with the destroyers and flayed ones and Ophidians?
Two doomstalkers is pretty nice.
The warriors.
You can make a reanimator out of one of them.
I think you can, yeah.
And then the warriors are nice.
Flayed ones are just kind of cool models, but I don't know how viable they kind of are.
The Moimans, the destroyer, good.
Love me destroyers.
Again, there's some, it's a bit of a mixed bag for me on this one.
Like this literally is probably middle of the pack.
Savings are.
Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't feel like a cohesive, from where we currently are in balance, it
doesn't feel cohesive at all.
I think the Death God one is slightly better than this one in terms of-
I wouldn't like, I wouldn't buy this box.
I don't think.
As I know.
It's not pitiful as Navy Knight compared to C tier, but maybe just below the Death
God above the sister's one in beta.
Okay.
It's decent.
I want to, I want to give a shout out to the old battle force boxes, by the way.
They were a whole 90, a whole whopping $90 back in 2006.
Yeah.
And you got an Eldar.
The Eldar one had five Dire Avengers, 10 guardians, a Viper and a wave sword.
Looking at that one, the Eldar one was cracked.
The Tao one, Tao one was pretty cool too.
It was like three battle suits, fire warrior squad, crew drones.
I think depending on which one you got, one of them had a hammerhead and a Vespid squad.
Pretty cool.
Pretty nice.
The next one though is a Kill, Kill Daka warband, which is still-
As a plane.
I want to give an S tier for the name alone.
It looks like it's got your standard boys, a Gretchen mob and a runt, and the runt herder
for them.
Dude on bike.
I think that's a Big Mac with a shock attack gun.
A Death Killer war trike, shock attack Big Mac.
A Daka jet, no, a Daka jet kit.
And oh yeah, this is a random unit of knobs it says.
Apparently at the time this was an odd one out.
Although people will say at the time it combined really well with what was the combat patrol.
The savings on it is kind of the worst of the bunch though.
So 45 pounds slash 76 bucks.
That's not great.
And it was also, it was slightly cheaper than a lot of the other ones.
So it was only $286, which is a weird price, 175 pounds.
So slightly cheaper than a lot of them, but the savings are worse.
And I don't know if the whole kit there is like, is that like a good start to an army
anyway?
I don't think it really, you need a lot of the key things.
It's another patch job box.
It looks like, like, you know, if you really want a Daka jet, if you really want a flyer
and ninth and 10th ed.
Yeah.
I think maybe it has to go and see just because the savings are not compared to its.
It does not inspire huge amounts of joy.
It's better than the Mechanicus I'm assuming.
Do you think for like time saving by the way, should we, the next three, like the war cry
slash a single, should we not do the next four?
I just see my let's just throw them in real quick.
I got, I got the real quick rankings for Revenant Legion.
Revenant Legion B tier.
The savings are 80 bucks, 210 and 35 and a half pounds for 150.
But it's B tier because it has, you know, the big Vangorian Lord, five blood nights,
20 skeletons and 40 zombies.
So you get into B tier with just quantity.
Where do you want to put it in B?
Put it, put it, put it like above the guard one.
The savings aren't great, but you get all you this is going to keep you busy for a while.
Lumenath.
Next one, Venari Shining Host.
All the buyers from here.
Yeah, you can say A tier.
Mostly based on the savings because you save 110 bucks and 70 pounds and you get, it's
a little bit scattered, but everything in here is decent.
You get your 10 basic spearmen.
You get a ballista, which if you're fighting a monster is just dear God, they're going
to hate you.
Five Dawn Rider cavalry, five blade Lords and a banner blade.
So it's like lower on the A tier.
Definitely keep it at the bottom there, but it's, it's decent.
It's a clean army as well.
That's nice.
You thought, you thought you heard bias with the elves.
Hell, whole boy.
OCR bone reapers put that bitch in here.
I'm okay with that.
$90 saved, 50 pounds saved gives you everything you need.
You got a bone shaper.
You got a soul reaper.
You got a more tech crawler.
You got the catapult.
You got three stalkers that can also be more to scarred and 20 more tech guard.
It gives you everything you need for an army.
You are so good.
You are good.
And then believe it or not, I am also going to put that one in the S tier.
If you'll hear me out, you get a shard speaker, slanesh, three slangor, feed, bloods, five
slip bait seekers or bliss barb seekers, 10 pain pain, bringers, 10 bliss barb archers
and with one bliss brew homunculus.
This is not, I don't think I would say the best box and models, but the value of the
savings 70 pounds, 165 US dollars.
That is, that's pretty damn good.
That's ridiculous.
Like you're just purely based on how much money you're saving.
That is I think one of the best boxes on that list.
This box actually.
There's a, there's the quick AOS rundown.
Okay.
Moving on to 2022.
Starting off with the Sanctorum guard of the sororitas, some ladies.
It's basically just some ladies, some ladies.
Let me see if I can find that bad boy.
You get, you get what's her name, the one in charge with gold armor.
She got more than a ball.
Well, you get more than ball.
You get a bunch of, you get free of six of them in like power armor suits with like the,
the stilts you've got like a squad of them with flamers and like some with swords and
shields and maces.
It's a good bunch.
Oh yeah.
This, this kid is actually, this rocks this kid.
Even now currently that the paracorn war suits more than a fall is ridiculous.
Battle sisters and the Celestine or Celestine's one.
That's a crazy, like all of that kid is amazing right now.
How do we feel bottom of eight here?
Uh, sure.
Just looking at it.
Like the savings of this one was 61 quid slash 110 bucks.
That's pretty damn good.
That's a, that's a really good saving.
Maybe bump it above the Lumineth.
Okay.
I don't know.
Actually, this one pretty goes, yeah, this one maybe goes S tier actually, honestly,
because the amount of value in that box is crazy in terms of you only, you need that
box and one other thing.
You kind of got like an amazingly good sistered army no matter what.
My only thing is like the 10th standard infantry.
It's like, you surely have a box of that already.
That like.
Well, put it this way.
If you're going to main sororitas, if you buy this, we'll just, you'll be, you'll be
saying this is.
Yeah, that's, that's true.
I could, yeah.
Yeah.
S tier.
I agree.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Talk me into it.
Next one.
Oh, there's the G.O.D.O.D.s.
Oh, there is a lot of custodians.
Standards.
What was it?
I had the captain general treasurer, Mr. Valoras himself, three Verness praetors on Dawn Eagle
jet bikes, three hilarious custodians, 15 custodian guard and the total savings of a
72 pounds, 117 pounds in savings.
Now pretty great.
This might just be S tier like the very top one.
I don't like it.
The amount of value in this box is like, first of all, that's a huge amount of, cause I was
obviously being super expensive in terms of point cost.
That's a huge amount of your like 2k points already done.
You need everything in that box.
Even other jet bikes have just gone up to extra strength and extra, like extra toughness
recently.
So even better.
Uh, Trojan Valoras is just nuts.
Uh, maybe I'd like more hilarious custodians, like the three men deep strike ones would
be nice, but that's already like the amount of saving this one is like by far like this.
It's only 40% savings.
That's better than anyone.
Pretty good.
Easy.
That's like, I'm just a business legal boy.
Yeah.
I think I hate to say it.
It's top of S.
No, it is not top of S.
No, Andy do not do that.
It's the value of the box.
It's also nothing but just dudes.
Like there's no dreadnought.
There's three jet bikes.
Great.
Well, let's go a complete opposite then.
Robot.
By one dreadnought.
S tier.
These, this guy, there's all sorts.
You've got Castellans, you've got Belisarius.
Let me see what her value was.
So there's actually very few dudes.
You had, yeah.
Call Castellan robots, six Catafran destroyers, 10 Skitari Rangers.
I really thought that one.
The savings of this one was only 54 pounds slash a hundred bucks.
So it's only 32% saving on the general thing.
The Castellan robots are damn cool, but they are not viable at the moment.
Catafran destroyers are very viable, but as far as call is not played, unfortunately,
Skitari is at the moment.
I think at the time this thing would have been nuts.
But I like everything in this box.
I like this box.
But it suffers from the problem of being AdMech as well as like, that's less than 500 points
you've got.
And the savings is actually worse than the other battle forces.
As a box though, this looks like it's fun to put together.
Like it gives you a whole bunch of options.
Like you got the big robot, you got the funny treads, you got the dudes, you got call.
That's why I don't like the custodies in the top of S tier because yeah, it's a great value.
You get 15 dudes, which is also why I'm going to argue when the funny yellow box comes up,
slam dunk it into D tier.
Holy shit.
I hate that box.
Okay with bottom of A tier?
I'm okay with A tier.
Because the savings are generally nuts in this year.
This is about 2022.
I'm pretty sure this one was like one of the best ones, wasn't it?
That sure is a knight in four armatures.
Yeah, let me see.
You probably save a lot of money.
Yeah.
I think this is like, they repeated this box set.
This was 75 pounds worth of savings slash 130 pounds.
Yeah.
130 bucks worth of savings.
This one was crazy, man.
I like knights.
I like one knight.
If you get one to get like an army, I would probably get knights because for me it's like
there's not as many units, even as custodians, because like you have to have lots of them
even though.
You get seven models and you're done.
That's also an army.
That last literally an army there.
Yeah.
I like the idea that you can just be like, that's my army.
And I like how like you can customize them all with different heraldry and it's fits
with the aesthetic and the law.
And I like this style.
And I don't know.
As someone who would like be like, oh, I only have so much storage space.
I just want an army.
Here's your army.
Knights should have never been an army.
Knights should have been allies only.
I don't blame you for that, but also since it is an army, I mean, it sure gives you an
army of knights.
It's a high value army.
It is a bit.
Yeah.
I must say, I don't really like the armatures.
I mean, it's a bit boring looking.
But the night looks great.
I like the armatures.
It's like they look like it's like, you know, when you get like bionicles and then you got
those like teeny tiny bionicles in back in the day, that's like that.
They like squished it down.
Here's a less cool version.
I don't want to do.
I want a proper night.
I'd rather have two nights than five of those.
Personally, at least if you're a night player, every time a box comes out, you're just like,
I mean, first of all, you're already of your four guys.
You've done your army.
I mean, the only downside is like I get annoyed at nights because I always think that if that's
two codexes, like that takes up two slots and I'm going, I'm going to smash my head
against the wall.
I'm like, no, my army needs to come closer.
I think my codex, you know, I mean, there should be one codex where it's like, you know,
traitors, renegade and loyalists.
Just just for the classic HAL complainers of I want my army to be updated faster.
This box in this year.
Yeah, nice.
Welcome.
Put it above saving on not so much golden.
Okay.
Terry, I got a reference.
Oh, my mark.
It's more Tarian smelly.
I'm out of that.
Mothman.
I don't feel like arguing with how to put it up there.
He's not well enough.
The savings on this one was 66 pounds as 120 bucks.
So it's slightly worse.
It comes with a prime work.
And I do love my wife.
What are you talking about, Chad?
Oh, I don't know.
He likes it.
Pretty heinous message in earlier.
I would actually put this one in maybe top of a and the reason is that it has a nice
amount of you really needs it has 14 plague Marines and you really like especially if
you're doing a 2k army, you read the option to have like either what like a five man I
want to rerunning to seven man I want to be running either a 10 man, you know, at some
point so there's not enough plague Marines in it.
Annoyingly, the blight Lord terminators are not kind of in play at the moment.
So they kind of not motor is of great values only 30 points as of time recording.
So he's great value but I thought he and this box that you need so much more to make your
death card army.
So at risk of mentioning my catchphrase, not being funny with Colin comments about always
just a bunch of dudes.
If you take more Tarion out of this, it's just a bunch of smelly dudes.
Some are a bit bulkier.
But this is the bulk of the army where they smelly dude.
If you squint, you can't really see the difference between the terminators and the normal ones
at a glance.
So it's like it needed like a vehicle in it.
It needed a vehicle, honestly.
Actually I didn't put it like a little bit lower just because the savings are not as
good.
It's still like this was a good year for saving like 36%.
So after 40% of some of these things, it's slightly worse than the box sets.
But it's still a lot.
You save a lot of money for having it.
And you wouldn't be upset if you had to have like.
The thing is, this year seems to be the year of here we have named characters in all the
boxes.
Yeah, I think that's when it started.
You've got you've got Belisarius.
Even that one.
I think that lone knight, that dude that comes in the night box is like their one named character.
That might be Rex.
Oh yeah.
His full name is.
He's standing next to it with his like box of sandwiches.
Like I'm ready to get in the pilot seat.
Just give me a minute.
Guinness Rex.
Being a Primux though.
That sure is.
This this was called the Crimson King.
It does hit harder than the box set.
What's included?
I mean, I can just see what's included because I'm having all of these.
I'm pretty sure you've got you got one disc fella.
Yeah, you got one disc fella.
You got a couple.
We got like one Terminator.
Two, two terminators.
And like.
It has.
It has two 10 rubric marine squads, which is damn good.
Magnus, you have an exalted sorcerer or two different exalted sorcerers and an exalted
sorcerer on this.
Currently, as it plays Magnus is like a must include for rubric anything 1000 sons really.
So he's damn good model.
Also very pretty look at the two rubric squads.
You do need a little rubric.
They punished.
There's no other way to play 1000 songs because the the ranges are so small.
I mean, you kind of wish you had a bit more of like the aspiring sorcerer and so we put
chain cannon because you need to like run a lot of five mans.
So it kind of loses value there.
And it does have the kit, which is like all the exalted all the sorcerers.
The problem is like you don't really need every variety of sorcerer.
You just need like a lot of the same one, which is like the one in disk and the savings
in this one.
So it's 71 pounds slash 130 bucks.
So it is quite high up there in terms like the savings compared to the other kits.
Unfortunately, like it's not like the best way to run 1000.
So it'll be a very nice kit to own.
We'd have to buy other things to actually make it viable way to play.
I think it probably goes.
I might I might I'll be biased and I'll put it above the more tired one.
But if I want to say that it low end, you know, usually I was tempted to argue again,
you take away Magnus and it's just dudes again.
However, on account of the fact there's not a single goddamn Zangor in sight.
I think I like this.
I like this placement.
Yeah, nothing's wasted in that.
And at least you got like a couple of sorcerers and a disc dude rather than just blokes who
are like, yeah, slightly larger than this other guy.
Just seen by that.
That kid does say, but just by the kit, the 10 man rubric is 200, 400 plus Magnus.
I mean, that's over 1000 points there as well.
So that's actually a lot of maybe maybe maybe top of everyone's feeling generous.
Top of a because you actually get the army so early.
That's a lot of point.
That's half your army right there.
Should we now go to like the complete inverse of quality?
Do you want just like Imperial Fists?
Oh, this is D tier.
Don't even bother.
Just just poor Imperial.
Worst deal box ever released.
Asked to leave the kitchens.
Space Marines.
Talk about the rocket launchers on their back, the grab us ones, but that's it.
It's like two of them.
No, three of them.
Yeah.
Aggressors.
Space Marines.
15 heavy intercessors.
You've never need that much Imperial Fists Primaris upgrade kit, which by the way, contains
the most stuff that upgrades like the regular Primaris Marines.
So you actually have enough shoulder pads.
I think maybe you have enough shoulder pads.
I think they may be included enough.
The savings this one was 64 pounds, 109 bucks.
So it was actually worse savings compared to all the other kits of its ilk.
Terrible.
Just.
This one is also pretty mean, I think.
Raven Strike Battle Force.
So you get some like chunky boys, you get some snipers, you get cave on strike, you
get a librarian, a bit more variety, but there's still less.
It's just a bit underwhelming.
Yeah, I don't like it.
I'd put it in D tier with the Imperial Fist personally.
But snipers are cool.
The eradicators are cool.
Would it top a D tier?
It's missing all the stuff that makes it good.
Like all the stuff like that.
I mean, the savings on this one as well was 65 pounds slash 112 bucks is only marginally
better than what the Imperial Fist one was.
By the way, there's a crap ton of Age of Sigma for 2022 to finish off as you can see
it's like one, two, three, four, five.
We'll get the speed run in.
Colin's got the speed run in.
Do we want to read some donations before we?
Oh, yeah.
Sorry, brothers.
Apologies.
And I'll order these.
We're talking about Yakub in the chat right now.
All right.
Maybe we don't read the donations.
Would you like to do the honors while I rearrange the list a little bit?
Sure thing.
Let me pull up the bean with the five.
Remember guys, you should never an excuse to be negative.
We can be positive.
I can't wait for flashbacks when they throw up the bloods in somewhere they really shouldn't.
Good meme.
You see the problem with the telephones.
Eli, what do you mean how you trick technology to win Dawn of War?
What do you mean by this?
Because you were you were a son of Yakub.
You know technology.
I'm too old for these ones.
I struggle to stand up quickly.
Your father.
This is world history here that we're talking about.
How Caleb Collins, a slight crack addiction could actually be cheaper.
Probably healthier for you to plastic silver five.
Thank you.
Total Warhammer added is adding a colossal squig praise.
Boy, they did raise B.
It blows up when it dies.
It's modeled after the road copies one as well.
Caleb Collins.
Oh, I think Eli, this one's for you.
Who's better?
War Crimes Canada, Japan or the Tao?
Canada.
I think unit 731 was real creative.
It's the least respect, isn't it?
Coochie Slayer 69.
Nice name.
NPSP.
Five bucks.
Love the content, boys.
Here's some spare change.
Much appreciated.
Thank you so much, brother.
Thank you.
Document USA for five bucks.
How did you rip out your sounding Bs like a Beyblade core?
I saw you put that earlier, brother.
I saw you say that to me.
Thank you for the five.
Thanks for the giggles.
No, it's more disappointing than that.
Eli, do you want to take one?
Caleb Collins, I give you two dollars.
You all think the true Phoenix Twink returns in 2025.
Yes, he does.
It's crazy how that could be both Tyrion and Malekith and nine of them are doing shit in
setting their gods in now.
I'm a believer.
One day we're going to get them.
That's going to be a battle.
That's going to be a versus box for AOS.
I'm calling it.
Malekith is number one.
Speaking of, speedrun Tao.
Speedrun.
All right, so starting off with the cool boy Swamplurkers.
That one is a little bit underwhelming to me personally.
15 minis.
It does give you a big thing.
It gives you some cool boy.
Somewhere middle of the range in C tier.
The savings are 31 percent, 105 bucks, 57 pounds.
It's decent.
It's OK.
Not bad, not bad.
Canite slaughter coven of 27 minis.
This bad boy is pretty solid.
Let me check what's in it.
It's a little bit.
It's another one of those patch job armies.
I'd probably put it below the below the other one below the cool boys one.
All right.
92 92 bucks saving.
It's a it's a little bit of everything.
Daughters of Cain, one of those armies you want to split up like into different sub armies
almost.
But this is just everything.
So there's a big donation, boys.
Oh my God.
Let's see that.
Wow.
Give me again.
That's great.
Thank you very much.
The Carnix forty nine ninety nine.
Hey again, guys.
Wishing you all a great holiday.
You know, my first set of minis and I'm already feeling the debt.
Here's to many more bad decisions.
Happy holidays and good health to you all.
Thank you so much.
My Christian posted your post what minis you bought in the chat if you feel like it.
Thank you so much.
Lee next one Legion of Grief.
So cool name.
Wherever the last night one was put it right above that because it's it's the same kind
of basic deal.
You get a whole lot of dudes with size and melee stuff.
But you also get Lady Allender, one of the more Tarks and a black coach is a is a good
box and one hundred and twenty dollars saving 70 pounds saved.
All right.
This one's insane.
Eighty five miniatures.
Jesus, S tier, S tier.
I know what this one is.
S tier, S tier.
You know, you know what's funnier than 20 rats?
Forty.
You know what's funnier than 40?
80.
But I love my three hour movement phases.
Put that in S tier now.
Just for the sheer goal to put out almost a hundred miniatures.
Should we just put it in the top?
Like, come on.
Yeah.
For money.
This is my favorite.
You're going to be putting these all out.
So twenty eight hundred twenty dollar savings, seventy six and a half pound savings.
So you know what?
No, it's coming in.
Next one stampeding squigger launch.
I also kind of want to put this one in S tier.
I'll accept top of a tier because it figured out like the loon boss squigs gloom spites
squigs or trolls.
They figured it out.
They just went whole hog on the squigs.
And you got a lot of different squigs.
And then the next one is fun.
Spearhead.
I don't think these models have been sent to hell with the range refreshes, although
I'm not 100 percent sure.
It's a B one hundred fifteen dollar savings, sixty eight and a half pounds.
It's it's decent models.
You got a nice variety.
It's better than the AdMic one.
Like the two dragons.
The one that the AdMic is an A I think is I think it's going to A.
Oh, yeah.
Because the AdMic one is like a lot of savings, but it's pretty good.
Yeah.
I wish they replaced the annihilators with some more dragons, but you know, it is what
it is.
It's decent.
It's solid.
It's good.
And then the last one is the revenant wargrove.
This one's kind of really good, like all around.
You get 16 dryads, 10 spite revenants for some elite infantry, Dreyka and two tree lords.
Like that's 90 dollars saved.
The savings aren't as good as you would think for a box with three huge models.
90 bucks saved, 51 pounds.
But that is still, you know, 30 percent on the dollars, which isn't horrible.
It's kind of like the minimum.
Maybe goes into a B for that one, because the ones that are in a lot of them in the
A you get nearly like 35 percent, 40 percent, even on the max.
Yeah, I'd say B. Well, the models in this are pretty good.
It's a dedicated.
Yeah, you'll have the range is smaller, isn't it?
Luckily, so you can get you get everything you need in it.
But it's also there.
It's your deals elsewhere between Dreyka and everything in this box.
You're committing to the melee Sylvaneth, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
The box knows what it wants to do and it did it.
AOS speedrun is over.
OK, twenty twenty three.
We're getting there.
Oh, yeah.
Garbage.
Do you like space marines?
It's better than the other space marines.
I mean, I mean, space marines on bikes.
I like the warthog.
Find this box.
One second.
Yeah.
Poor guy, though, with his head under the barrel, just like if it's not hitting you
in the top of the head, you're going deaf.
Why is it called spearhead?
Why is there so many spearheads?
Now, actually, this one does contain Captain with Jump Pack, Assault Incestors with Jump
Pack times three Outriders and then Primaris ATV.
Now, if someone was like, you bought your handsome beloved Andy, this is the perfect
white scar.
Better than the actual white scar this box.
Yeah, like honestly, because the amount of jump incestors are sorry, Assault Incestors
with Jump Packs are kind of nuts in the game.
Even if someone's playing Blood Angels as well, this will be a nuts box set.
ATVs has Outriders just got an improvement recently as well.
So they kind of back in the game and they're cheap in terms of like the only downside of
this box set is I think, again, this is 2023.
So the prices are not going to be as good on savings.
You save about £57.50 slash a hundred bucks, but it accrues to a 30% saving.
So it's not as good a lot of stuff.
Good things on display.
I think it is bottom of B, unfortunately, because the savings are so low.
But I 2023 onwards, we're just going to get worse.
The next one is the Cadian Defense Force.
We got Tonks, but we got better Tonks.
Cadian Defense Force, Cadian Command Squad, two Cadian Shock Troops, two Ruggle Dawn tanks.
And that's pretty much it.
Savings are better on this one, £67.50 slash a hundred and fifteen bucks.
It does have the new Acadians as well, which is good.
Two Ruggle Dawn tanks is quite nice.
Everything in this box is useful.
I'd say at least high A tier, I mean, it's a guard box.
It gets you a lot of dudes and tanks.
That's the guard.
Yeah, savings are high.
I confirmed my vlogs for that two days ago.
It might have to go bottom of A though, just because the savings are a slightly lower percent.
This is 33% in terms of savings, whereas the lobby ones in A tier are like 35 or higher.
But it is 2023.
So we're going to get worse from now on, and poor Eli, who's seen all of this happen over
the years is like suffering in his soul.
And he has a cold if chat was wondering as well.
The next one we've already had like some threats in the chat to put this quite high, Exalted
Herald of the Red Angel or Exalted Abyss.
I was just baiting Cain this one.
Now let me look at this.
So in terms of points cost as well, Angraan is like Magnus, huge amount of points, like
465 or something, 400 points.
The savings on this one is 75 pounds, that's 125 bucks.
So 35% is a huge saving.
You get your Primark model, which he's amazing in game.
10 Korn Berserkers, and then you get six eight bound, which eight bound can be turned into
the exalted or the normal kind.
So you can kind of choose.
This is a fantastic box.
This one was pretty nice.
I honestly maybe even put this one into a bot in S tier just because it you save percentage
wise a lot more compared to the other ones.
Everything in that box is viable and you need it in your army.
Like my players, you're not going to have vehicles, you're not going to have range weapons,
you're just going to let them with axes.
That's good.
Everyone with an axe running at you without any fanfare.
It's like it does what it's supposed to.
There's only one downside, which is the World Eaters Combat Patrol is essentially like 20
berserkers.
So you would kind of have way more berserkers than you'd ever need.
Getting the rest of your army in terms of more would be difficult, but that's not the
boss.
That's not this box's fault necessarily.
Everything in here is like a ridiculous amount of saving though, compared to the other things.
In 2023 was a pretty good, so very nice.
And there's anyone else?
I'm sorry?
No, no, sorry.
I was wondering if anyone else had an opinion on it as well.
It's good.
I have nothing to say.
It is what a Coronate player would want.
We do.
Beast Snagger Stampede.
This is a weird release to me.
The shark things.
My friend has the Mogrogs, Scragbat, Painboss, Beast Snagger Boys, a Swigholt Boys and a
Killrig.
Dude, I'm so biased.
I like the white shark squig.
I'm sorry.
That is the pure reason I like this, but I like the frog squig.
This thing is so hard to kill, by the way.
I tell you as my friend, he's running that.
It took six exalted eight-bound and Jackals, which is like my cultist units, like bring
this thing down.
This thing is tough.
You're happy to know as well, savings is 80 pounds, that's 135 bucks, which is nearly 37%
savings.
It's ridiculous.
Everything in this kit.
Everything in this kit, I'm pretty sure my friend, he didn't play the Killrig, but everything
in this kit is still pretty useful.
The savings are crazy.
You could buy like two Primaris Captains with that money.
I think it's better than the Worldies one, honestly.
Dare I say, it's actually in terms of value, it's better than the Custodes one.
No, it may not in terms of points, why I'd actually take that back.
It's just more fun than Custodes.
Where should we put them then?
It does go S tier.
This one is crazy good.
You need every model in that kit.
You save a decent percentage of it as well, and there's a decent amount on offer.
So I don't know.
There's nothing wrong with it.
There's nothing that you wouldn't, maybe the Killrig, I haven't seen people play, but you'd
still find fun.
Just a mill finger Custodes.
They need a refresh.
Oh, a bit of a point of contention here.
Botan, defenders of the ancestors.
Who are these guys again?
I forgot.
Well, the savings on this one.
Be nice.
Okay, you get an Einhar champion, a Grimnir, Einhar Harthgard times two, a Sagittar and
a Hecaton land fortress.
£97.50 slash 155 bucks of savings.
14 Bessèche savings.
Look, put aside your age for the leagues of Otan.
If you like the leagues of Otan, this is a damn good box.
I'm just saying that big vehicle is enough to raise people's...
I think if you look at this on the wall of a shop, you go, that's massive.
I'll have that one.
That looks like good value.
It's the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles land fortress.
I don't know if all of those units, how many points they are, if they are all still played.
I'm pretty sure the transports are.
Like the buggy one?
I think they have to be played because this is like 60% of the Votan model.
Yeah, that's who.
Well, again, when I was with Arthur about this, some of them have been taken out because
they can't be used anymore.
Like the commemorative ones that you get at Warhammer World, that one you can't use anymore
because of its weapons and you can't swap them out with anything.
It's like, oh, that's useless now.
Brilliant.
Absolutely.
That's less than two years old.
That's what the leagues of Otan needed, less models.
This is what will save the army.
I think this is a setup from Games Workshop to destroy it from within so they don't have
to keep making models for it because it's not working.
Holy cow.
It's a conspiracy.
They're not the least army.
They're not the least played though, which is weird.
They're not.
What is the least played?
I think it was Deathwash because they're so.
Because they're not even in army right now.
Oh no, they are now.
They are now, but well.
Deathwatch and Admech, I think, although damn.
GC The Colt as well.
They deserve so much better.
Onslaughts swarm, Tyranids, the last 40k boxes.
Two characters in this one?
Big fella.
Two of them.
Oh, the hive.
The hive tyrant.
Dawn Emissary, my beloved.
Crazy good model.
Two Hormigants and a Genie Stealer.
Brood.
Slash grouping.
Can the Hormigants be turned into what's the other variation?
Tamagants.
I imagine.
The, the safest in this one though was 60 queers slash a hundred bucks.
So this one is actually the worst of all of the grouping.
30% saving.
The thing is the models in it are nice, but that's again the problem with being Tyranids.
That's not that much on the board in terms of the points used.
I don't know if people still run Dawn Emissaries at the moment.
Some people do more for fun.
I may be wrong.
The high winged hive tyrant, particularly there, is definitely used.
I mean, it might be the worst of the bunch.
It's not horrible, but I think it maybe even, yeah, like a bee next to the other Tyranid
one at the bottom of B.
Yeah.
It's just a shame that Tyranids have like, they don't have any characters other than
like you could say old one eye is a character, but then everything else is just a generic
thing.
It's just like, how do you build a box around it?
Sorry, Nona Baker just put in the chat.
When I was a boy, my father was killed by a horse.
Bro, are you a, oh.
Sorry to hear that if that's true.
What maliciously?
Don't know if you're just saying stuff.
I don't know if you're just saying it.
Damn.
RIP though, damn.
Colin, I need your help.
All right, speed run time.
These are, I, these are, this is 2023.
It was a wonderful year for AOS Battle Forces with one slight exception.
Okay, what's up first?
War Horde of Eternus.
That's going up in A tier.
I have this box.
It's fucking great.
You get Eternus who can be a, I believe he can also be a generic chaos Lord.
You got 20 year, not 20, you got a good old 10 chaos warriors, five chaos Knights, five
chaos chosen, three of those old groid, Theradon's because the beastmen are not allowed to have
beastmen or exist in the game.
Savings are not great.
It is actually just under 30% savings.
So lower on the A tier, definitely probably bottom of A tier.
I don't know if that can be an A tier if you only, if you save less than 30%, that might
be, yeah, yeah, it's pretty unfortunate.
Top of B tier.
Cause I am also other, also biased cause I got this box cheap cause I got it in a, in
a, like a game store that was doing a sale on everything GW.
So I'm definitely biased, but it's a, it's a good box purely by models.
Next one.
The primordial star host.
He's got frog.
Lizards.
I'm going to say low eight here.
You get a salon star master.
You get 10 saris.
You get the hunters of Huanchi, which is a sure.
It's 10 chameleon skinks, three Crocs gore.
Always welcome.
Uh, three saris on dinosaurs is good.
It's a good box.
Somewhere, somewhere in eight here.
Uh, don't know where exactly.
That's 33% savings.
Uh, so a little on the lower end, but it's definitely saving good amount.
I hate source.
I hate them.
Um, I asked here.
I've, I've, I got this box.
I actually got this box for Christmas that year.
Uh, 42% savings in the U S 41 in a, in a, you know, England, uh, 95 pounds saved 160
bucks saved.
20 more, 20 more tech guard got the sar harvester for more guests, archive five Cavalos death
rider and arch Cavalos, Xanthos.
So you get this, you've got around like 1250 points.
Great starter army.
You know, you got some room to grow to a full 2000.
Alternatively, take out a Xanthos and the Gothas are harvester and thrown a gash in
there and there is your 2000 point army.
This is the same nominal box.
Thank you.
I wish I could sniff the pros chair.
He tempted croaks.
Imagine the musk.
Oh God.
Before this descends any further.
Colin is, is this, is this a contentious box then from what you said before the vangorian
court?
Oh, is this, uh, yeah, that was the initial like, and it's, uh, it's not bad.
Uh, savings wise, it's, uh, actually it's not great savings in the U S is 31% savings
in great Britain is just under 30%.
Jesus.
That's the worst of the bunch.
Not great.
It's slightly better savings than the chaos box actually, but it's still not great.
You get five blood nights, 20 skeletons, 10 dire wolves, three fel bats and a vangorian
Lord.
The issue with this box is your Lord is designed to buff monsters.
You don't really have any monsters in this box.
So we've kind of tripped out of the gate immediately.
Uh, it's, it's one of those like scatterbrained boxes.
So I would say lower on C tier, uh, savings aren't great.
And the choices you have is weird.
Yeah.
Okay.
Has there been a single jeans dealer called box on this list yet?
I don't know.
Oh, they're with the, they're with the elder boxes.
I think, I think, yeah.
So we've got a couple incoming back.
Yeah.
30 squiggly do's since I will unfortunately not be home probably for a while now.
I wish all of you a jolly boingness and a miraculous boing boing boing.
To all who celebrate that like me.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for the donations.
Thank you.
It's your favorite person.
How do you want to read this?
Crabanda's mighty shlong.
No, mighty shong, isn't it?
It's not shlong.
It's shong.
We've been saying it wrong the whole time.
God.
Wow.
We've really misinterpreting that.
Uh, two bucks.
Thank you.
Our postpos to hit on Colin.
That was the, uh, Yakuza comments earlier.
Uh, now I've got some beef with 2020 for you.
I got some beef because there's some money to live.
It weren't tough times, fellas.
I don't, I don't have the age of Sigma once for this year.
So if we get to that point, you know, that's okay to get, but I have got the Penitent Crusader
host.
The, those are the, those are, are we in 2024 now?
Yeah.
Uh, I'm looking at the age of Sigma or battle for, I'm looking at at least one of them.
Where, oh, I think, yeah, yeah, they're next there after this.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, I'm looking at that.
Oh no, I'm, I'm, oh no, I'm stupid.
Don't mind me.
40k.
I know what it is.
It's cause the font is, maybe this one might be the actual Penitent Crusader host.
This one has 10 Arcoflagellants, uh, 10 Repentia, two Sororitas Rhinos, two Mortifiers and a
Ministorium Priest.
Wait a minute.
How much does this cost?
This one was total, what's it, where's the value box on it?
I didn't tell you what the whole box was worth essentially, but I think it's like, well,
essentially you cost, was it total 300, it should cost you 347.50 and then it, you basically
saved $107.
So I assume it basically cost 250 bucks.
This is a Sisters of Battle Combat Patrol with like an extra Rhino basically.
It was the, it's the old Combat Patrol with a Rhino and a Penitent Engine.
Yeah, the lack of shooting in this is crazy as well.
Um, I mean, like I don't hate it, but it's also, I should also point out, oh sorry, go
ahead.
Just, even just looking at this poster, it just looks like they've taken the Rhino on
the bottom left and copy pasted it on the top right, just to be like, eh, we weren't
even trying.
It's just the same thing again.
Hapsu, we need to bulk up the price.
I'll never get rid of my beloved Rhino.
You get all this stuff in the old Combat Patrol for like the 180 bucks or whatever.
If it's discounted from retailers and like hundred and fifty.
But you didn't get a Minister and Priest.
So they just added a hundred dollars ultimately to put in like...
I also point out the savings, so what was in the beloved year of 2024?
The saving this one, the prices have been going up quite a bit at this point now.
So even though it's like you're saving a hundred and something seven bucks, everything else
in this box that cost more than it previously did in the last few years.
So your savings look more inflated than they probably really are.
It's kind of like you would, I imagine you'd need, again, like, you know, penitent, mortifiers
and what was it, or penitent engine or something like that.
Similar, like some of these things are really great to have in your sister's army, but my
god, the 250 dollar price tag on that.
For what, there's no like a central model that I find justifies it.
Two Rhinos, you don't need two Rhinos.
Hang on, Hang on, how?
You're saying that Minestorm Priest isn't a centerpiece.
He's not even, I'm pretty sure that dude is just from an Inquisitor Resin News.
He's not even a core model, the old ones are weak.
He's saying he can't one on one Mortarion in a battle.
You never know, but probably not.
I'd honestly put this one probably, I don't know, maybe even DTICS.
I actually don't think all the things that make sisters strong, it has like the few of
the units, but it's like, that's no cohesive army.
It's just a garment patrol with an extra Rhinos, it's freaking stupid.
Now the next one though, which is Valor Strike.
Valor Strike, I don't know.
This one's the best one right now, but it's just a worse version of the last Knights one.
It is the same thing.
It has two last armatures in it, doesn't it?
No, it's the same amount.
The last one had four, it is the same thing because the Kestoris Knight can be built as
one of six, the Knights can be built as every other Knight.
The armatures can be built as every other armature.
It sure is a Knight box.
The picture's cutting out, it has four in the set.
It has four armatures.
It's the exact same, but more expensive.
But it is missing the teeny tiny dude that stands next to it.
128 bucks worth of saving this one.
You save the most amount on this one, I think it's what, like 39%.
Do we remember how much the old Knight one cost?
Damn it, I don't have that one.
I always, well, this one is again, 250 bucks.
These one, I think.
Just put it like, if nothing else below a tier below on principle because it is just
once again, the same thing.
There we go.
Yeah, I mean, it basically is, but it's just worse.
What's the next one there?
Hyper Crypt Legion?
This one's actually okay.
Hyper Crypt Legion.
Even though they nerfed it, I'm pretty sure.
This one is good.
Not terribly interesting to look at.
This one is quite cool because again, the Praetorian ones can be Lich Guard thing, isn't
it?
So, Void Dragon, 10 Necron Warriors, 10 Lich Guard possibly, and then two, has two overlords
in it.
I'm not sure where I'm seeing the second overlord.
No, it's only got one Necron Warrior.
No, I'm just looking at the box set.
It says it has two.
There's a second one in there.
Is that?
Weird.
I don't see him.
Yeah, it says, it's not on the cover.
Yeah.
To be fair, they've done it in other box sets where they had the Chaos Spawn.
They had one Chaos Spawn in the box, whereas actually it comes with two.
Oh, we got a donation actually from someone there.
That's pretty.
You want to see that one, Andy?
Yup.
From Thiago Silva.
Anyone want to add one?
Thank you.
Thiago Silva, $20 dues.
Finally got the courage to send a message after being to subs since 1.5k.
Thank you.
Thank you, man.
I'd just like to thank you all for giving me the courage to collect the army I actually
won, even when some say it's the most boring one.
Ultramarines, my man.
The greatest of them all.
Do not let them doubt you.
Don't listen to the haters.
You are the strongest Mat Ward soldier.
Godspeed to you.
Just remember, that's simply the best.
That's right, baby.
Now the downside with the HyperCrypt Legion one is the savings is not as great as some
of the other ones.
It's only basically it's a hundred bucks worth of savings compared to 128 from the ninth
one.
But again, like so many of these things in the box could be other things.
It does have the overlord with the one that can teleport.
Translocation.
Part of it can be a Praetorian guide, it could be Lich Guard or the Warriors could be Immortals.
So again, like this box set could be as like if you're willing to play amongst mage, this
box set could be of more value than what you're initially getting in here.
It is a downside because again, these box sets just in this year are sadly of less value
compared to previous savings that we've all managed to have.
But everything in this box set is essentially being kind of played at the moment though,
which is still good.
Necron conversion being whistled as well.
I think it's probably not a tier though.
I don't think any of the 2024 ones get tiered to be honest.
It's like the same problem with like the Death Guard box.
You take out the void dragon, you got 20 dudes.
I think it's like, you know, they're good units to run and it's like definitely great
for like someone new to Necrons, but it's not a very inspired box, you know?
Yeah, no vehicle or anything like soup.
Obviously the void dragon is cool though, but yeah.
Now the one most anticipated of the year.
I've got to admit, if I were to buy anything, I would buy this one.
This one's like a thousand points, I'm pretty sure.
Inner Circle Task Force, Lionel Johnson, Champion in Terminator armor, 10 Deathwing Knights
and 6 Inner Circle Companion.
Every model of this one slaps.
That might be an S tier one actually.
My dog?
Yeah, I would agree.
134 bucks worth of savings.
So it's the largest savings in the entire groupage they've had so far.
And everything in here is basically can be used.
I don't know if you would necessarily run 10 Deathwing Knights, but at least you can
just pay the rest of them as like regular 10 units.
You can, you can, like everything in here is pretty much will be on the board.
I just love that like not only are there some really cool units, like the companion, the
companions look awesome, just, but also just the little watches with the little standards.
There's two of them.
There's two little guys, and you get Chaplin, you get a guy with a banner, and you get the
Primark model, and you get like lots of different, it's not just awesome generic dudes, like
they are kind of generic because it's just like they're all Deathwing, but there's so
many different poses, there's so many different like varieties of weapons.
I really like this because of course I would.
I think it's S tier, yeah, I think that's a good place to board.
I think it deserves to be an S tier just because it's literally the best of the bunch.
Maybe not.
It's the only reasonable one.
I think it's the ultimate S in terms of savings though.
In terms of savings, you're not saving as much compared to a lot of the other stuff,
but it is, they did do down.
The world is one is more savings, Andy, please.
I just wanted to remind people that Lion dumped on Angra.
He did do that.
It's dumb.
The 40k ones.
This one's D tier, this is like 500.
This box is like 500.
Because they've destroyed Tao.
What if it was super valuable, it's four models, dude, come on.
I get one of them's a big one.
Actually there's also seven combat drones.
Pardon me, it's got the seven little like glorified tokens.
It's 40 bucks less savings than the Dark Angel's one.
It's half the points as the Dark Angel's one.
Yeah this thing is Tower of Horde army now apparently.
Would you imagine with the previous one, if they were like, you get the lion, you get
like five terminators and then there's like 20 of the little watches in the dark.
You get like 20 plus minis.
It's like, dude, go cheeky.
That's down here.
No, I see the funny white sky sparks.
You see the funny white sky sparks.
Do you want to speed run?
Oh, we're going to work for sure.
We have two repeats in the bottom of the tower.
We could, I see at least one of those Raven guard boxes.
Yeah, the Raven guard and the Imperial first one is the same.
They didn't repeat, they couldn't sell enough of the Raven guard.
They put it in extra, they have more models than that Raven guard one.
There's another Dreadnought.
They have more librarians.
Yeah.
I know there was just the pitch of the one we have on there is like short.
Okay.
All right, the wreck a mob.
As with the 40 K ones, the savings here kind of shit the bed a little bit for all but one
of the boxes.
Wreck a mob.
It knows what it wants to do.
You got a big, you know, you got a big guy, a Tusk boss on ma Grunta.
That's just fun to say.
You know, 20 are the boys, six weird, brute wreckers.
You know, it's a melee or army.
This is the, the iron jaw specifically.
If you want to beat people over the head with orcs, it does the job good.
Problem is, you save $85 on a $325 market value for everything.
That's one of the worst ones that is like 25% savings.
Bottom of the I put it in detail, honestly, because worse savings on the some of the ones
in detail already.
I don't hate the model range, but it's like, it's not worth buying it.
But also going back to the to the, is it just a bunch of dudes?
I mean, you take the guy with the big.
Yeah, that's a good point.
It is just gonna be a bunch of dudes.
Yes.
They committed.
They know what they want out of that box, but it is.
Yeah, it's not terribly inspired.
Um, uh, channel grand jury, we are once again, probably hanging in D tier.
Uh, no, maybe the savings are like that other one was like 25%.
This one I think is getting it up to like 27%, 28.
Okay.
Not great.
Uh, market value for everything separate.
334 94.
You got a nice variety of models.
That's it.
Yeah.
I just like the indignant tone that how had this like, it doesn't serve to be.
The cities of Sigmar box is kind of saving it.
Founding for a, uh, you got 10 of the fuseliers and iron weld great cannon to five Cavaliers
a command core, you know, the command squad equivalent, uh, and of course the best model
ever released a fusel major writing on top of an ogre.
That's that's just funny.
I, that's just really funny.
I like that.
Uh, market value for everything separate 344 you save 104.
So that's like a brown 30%.
It's like the benchmark to not be crap.
Hi, hi.
See low B. It's got a nice variety.
It's got the big centerpiece gun.
It does the job.
Nice.
Uh, I have not got that image, so I will just grab that quickly.
Uh, let's put that.
Let's just, why don't we just pretend like the, the rave.
Oh no, that works.
So where's this high C low B. Uh, I don't know.
I was in feeling Pat.
It's like around 30% savings.
It's a decent variety.
This isn't okay.
It's decent.
It's, it's good.
B minus again, but it's, it's good.
Shut up.
Last one.
Oh, I forgot about them.
Uh, $103 saved.
Usually it would be three 43.
That brings it down to two 40 or no.
Uh, yeah, two 40.
So that's like, again, like 30% about exactly.
Uh, it's at least a decent variety.
You got a harbinger of decay, the dude on the gross horse, 10 Rottmeyer creed, five
putrid Blake Kings and four Pusk oil Blight Lords.
Please don't ask me who's who.
Sure are nerdled name.
I'm guessing the Blight Lords are the ones on the drones cause there's four of them.
Uh, that would be the next, the next day.
I'd say right, right below the cities of Sigmar.
Okay.
Right now, the next two were a repeat so we can ignore those.
They're basically already in detail anyway.
Uh, the next best, this was the one is, but the problem is this one is actually kind of
like the set is good though.
Uh, hell blasters, which are very good intent so far.
Uh, Keith librarians, various money is Calgar.
Lay guard as well.
It's too special.
I can't remember the value of this box set cause this wasn't, uh, it wasn't like a proper,
proper Christmas box set, but these ones weren't as expensive as, as, um, all the other sets.
So I think maybe eight here.
Like it look, it's a good savings.
It's good stuff.
But again, there is not a single standout unit.
They couldn't even bother with the shitty dread not like loading thing.
Uh, really needed.
I was like, oh, sorry for you.
There's like nothing stand out in this box.
It is sure a bunch of space Marines.
The crazy thing is like, I think with the comment about the dreadnought, they just shoe
hoard it into so many boxes.
They were like, we use them all up now.
Uh, I can't even use them now.
It's at least the centerpiece though.
With this set though, if this is sort of how, like instead of a chief librarian to Gary's,
it had, um, Uriel Ventress, this would put it in.
Almost top of a, just cause then he gives, he has the ability to deep strike.
You have the hell blasters, which you need anyway, just for like, you're playing ultramarines.
You need money as Calgo.
If you play any space, marines, cause ultramarines is the only thing that's viable is non.
I mean, it's, it's kind of a little bit, I'd say it was a bit, um, yeah, I suppose fine,
uh, where it is there, but any, it, it, you need so many,
more other things to complete your army.
It's definitely not just in comparison to the towel, one space above.
It's like there's so much more variety.
Yeah.
It's a nice box, but it's not, you need so many other components to fill out your army
for that one.
Unfortunately, they, uh, the next one there is, oh, the iron hands.
One of my beloved.
It's pretty good.
It's iron handsy.
This box is actually very damn good.
If you're playing iron hands, iron storm spearhead, cause I remember the savings you got on this
box.
It was ridiculous.
I think it was like something like 38 or 35 between 35 to 38% on it.
The intercessors just standard incest is all right.
You don't really need 10 of them, but the fact that you get the tech Marine and iron
father of furious who you could just run as another tech Marine if you wanted to, and
the two redemptor dreadnaughts, uh, it was a bit ridiculous.
The amount of savings you, I think the discount that you got from redemptors was stupid on
this kit.
Uh, maybe I had to sound like the S tier to be, it wasn't nine tradition.
I think maybe this might have been nice addition as well.
So it was actually even better at the time.
Cause you could actually play iron hands.
The amount of things you can get in the kit was stupid.
It does go into a tier.
I think it's better than the ultramarines one.
Okay.
It is better than the ultimate one.
Not any better than the towel one though.
It's not, but I think it's just better than the ultramarines one.
Okay.
White scars.
Oh, bro.
Look who's not on a bike.
We're just complaining about it.
Right.
So I'm just going to say, I have no idea why they thought it was a good idea.
And I saw the description where it's like, you get all of these spike squads and Corsara
is there overseeing the battles.
Like he should be in the thick of it on a bike, not on his own, on his lonesome.
Like, never give him, never, ever, ever, ever.
No, no moon.
He's not crazy.
Yeah.
This used to have the option to do it back in the old additions.
You just had to make your own, but now as I know, but that's not allowed anymore because
then he wouldn't buy a separate model.
Yep.
Can't have fun with the bike squads things.
Now they are good if you're playing white scars, but they've been replaced a lot by
the jump pack and incestors.
So which yeah, it's a lot of it just replaced the fat in their builds.
You're playing white scars.
You still play with bikes surely.
So it's that you get, you can and it's very, they are like, you have to build around like
an, a stupid combo, particularly with the chap in there, which is useful.
But again, like guys, it's yeah.
Okay.
Sorry.
No, I'm sorry.
Nope.
I had something completely stupid to say.
I didn't like it cut out for me.
I mean, the savings are good on this set though.
Maybe higher in B is better than, I think maybe high top of B or something just because
the savings were a dig at a certain time, but it's not a cohesive side by also like
10 models might even it's 10 miles.
Exactly.
I think yeah, it's 10 models.
I mean, I just buy it and try and kit bash something with Corsair cause I can't leave
him hanging like that.
I can graft him onto one of the existing bikes.
Somehow.
Yep.
And the last one here we've got is, what's that?
Chaos.
When are we going to stop buying plastic at the price of silver?
Never gonna happen.
Oh, I think there's, there's only one more Andy.
I think I said is it the Salamander one?
Yes.
Oh, is it the Salamander one?
I think I said, is that an image in the chat?
I vaguely remember this.
I can't even, I don't, I, I can't tell what it is.
I can tell you what's in the end.
I only know it's 40k cause it's a 40k on top.
This was the Arks of Omen.
Arks of Omen Battleforce was this one.
This one contained a Hell Drake, five Terminade, 10 Chaos Terminades, 10 Chaos Possessed and
a Demon Prince.
This was like the debut of like the Demon Prince model.
The fact that the Hell Drake is in there.
Hell Drake will never be usable.
I have to.
Why?
I've got, no, I've got a, I've got a question for some of you gentlemen in the, you know,
you know, you three, anyone in the chat, if you would like to enlighten me.
How come the, how come the box that came out with the Vash Tor event doesn't have Vash
Tor?
Yeah, that sounds about right.
I think Vash Tor was in his own box though, to be fair.
He was in the Dark House versus Vash Tor.
But yeah, this box is really weird.
I don't know, there's not even a troops choice in this.
Like there's no troops in this.
Battle Line is what it is now, I guess, but whatever.
Yeah, that's fine to put it there.
The new Demon Prince is cool, but it's like, Hell Drakes are terrible.
They've been terrible for like 60 years.
This one, this one, 20 Intercessors, three Aggressors, three Eradicators and Agrax Agaton.
This one kind of sucks for the moment, because at the time, Aggrax Agaton, he allows you
to reroll the wound roll, but he couldn't do anything better than things like Stern
Guard or standard Intercessors.
Now he can draw Blade Guard, which makes him good, but there's no Blade Guard in this damn
kit.
Just stop the Aggressors, you know, Flame Boys, Sunmanders, they're on.
Eradicators, they're still good.
They'll always be good.
It's kind of a bit of a mid-set.
Yeah, there's way too many standard Intercessors in there.
I think it just goes into, again, the savings are good on it, though.
They are pretty damn good.
It probably just goes near the bottom of B, to be honest.
Like it's not, like they've really updated the Vulcan Hestana model, and then he allows
you to reroll the Flamer weapons, and then if you put the devastating wound thing on
Flamer weapons, you're rerolling and then getting Devy wounds.
He charged my Chaos Knight with the squad of Blade Guard and one of the characters and
just one-shot it basically in one combat phase.
It was a bit painful.
Yeah.
Tastes poison best, but they can be good.
That is it.
Very nice.
Are you Christmas out now?
You said too much Christmas.
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Hey guys, questions.
Do you think the new elder models will be in a combo box?
I also just started writing that down.
That's a good question.
Home network host with the fiber. Hey guys questions. Do you think the new elder models will be in a combo box?
So I just started writing hope to have the first video done my next month. Hey
God I hope so, but I don't think so. I want them to I will spend a lot of money on that box
I think the best we can hope for is that the good idea. I think it's bad
The best we can hope for is it might be like an aspect in a Phoenix Lord combo box each for like
15% off at that point. I might just wait for Zach Ames to get them because he's quick with it China number one
Damn I don't do I do like bad for semi other
the particular Xenos race one just in terms of
But you can't a lot of them like getting to kit bash to get over
Like price humps or other things so
Like I'm able to like particularly the map eBay. I've been using recently as well just to get cheaper stuff
So everyone wants to get
Damn, you know, like I want to spend hundreds buying a full army. Yeah spend like a hundred and fifty quid and get someone else's old
from
So yeah, go for it though
We'll be saying though the amount people in the chat. I thank will I'm not gonna respond to somebody
I
Know I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep coping and believing that there will be an Emperor's Children versus Eldar box
but I
Want the Eldar versus Necron's box?
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There's a prediction that the on Christmas Day, they're gonna debut
Some of what's gonna happen in the Salish army. They're obviously given the
I know well, we'll have to see because it'll be quite
I mean Eli you might just get one anyway, even if it's not perfect
Because you have
We have financial issues between the four of us we keep buying
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