Hello everybody, it's LoreCrimes! Weee! How's everybody been? Welcome!
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little LoreTube... What are we? What's my actual job description? God.
LoreTube? Not real.
Herosite.
Yeah.
From four different... No, yeah, four blokes from four different countries, ready to talk
about the thing that we love most.
I literally blanked out. I said something wrong.
Oh God. Already being roasted in the chat. Appreciate it so much though. But today we
took another tier list, boys. One of our favorites. If you're just an audio listener, we'll try
and describe it as we're going along. But today we are ranking Warhammer factions based upon
their lore. So it's not model ranges. Fair one's got a particularly horrendous model
range. You're fine. But you know, needs an update. It's gagging for an update. As I've
already said the word gagging and DJ Beast in the comments is immediately going to call
it out. So I'm getting to it before.
Yes he is.
Just before.
We love him for it.
But it's ranked based on lore. This is not just Warhammer 40k. This is Warhammer fantasy
too. This is all Warhammer factions. Finally Colin doesn't have to hear any Horus heresy
stuff for one week of his entire life. You know, absolutely begging for it. Oh also Colin,
nice jumper. Where'd you get it?
For real.
Oh he's on mute.
I might have been.
We were just saying how fetching your...
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It's where four people go to get made fun of by their audience.
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merch. I guess that makes sense.
We're real YouTubers now. We can shill for merch. We made it.
I just saw the donation from Jack and he says also I'm a fan of your YouTube.
Classic.
Classic. I think we had someone, we had a few donations earlier though, but we'll get,
we'll get to a few of them just before we dive into the fashion today.
Anyone else want to read them out?
I just want to read this one because it caught me by surprise. Angry homunculus says DHL
can piss off.
Yeah, I'm not sure with that one. I don't know what DHL is.
It's like the delivery service.
Yeah, it's postal service. So I don't know what the context is, but there's a gripe there.
Well Canadian postal services on-
I can't say that word. Plastic bag for five months. Just can't say that word, unfortunately.
Just found out about-
Corn.
Corn. I'm disgusted.
Corn.
Cereal and plastic bag. Stuff on these trees pal.
Dude, it's the horrid world out there.
How, what is this world? Come on.
Hell, you want to read this one or would you like someone else to take that hit for you?
Someone else please.
Oh my god.
I was sounding to the book of Enoch.
That's a crazy statement. That's a sick book by the way. That's a good book. I don't personally
sound to it though.
Oh my god.
Who have joined on in the book of Enoch?
Yeah.
Donkeyman USA. Regular. Actually brother. We love him. If Bretonnia gets above DT, I'm
sending Hal to the Astarte's anonymous milking room.
Well, you might be doing that.
So much calcium.
We got a Jack Ender with the next two.
Jack Ender. Five bucks. I hated the Space Wolves till I read their books. Now they're
my favorite. To be fair, their books are pretty good.
Hang on.
Also I'm gay.
He's coming up with a second one.
Oh god.
So funny.
Good for you.
Colin, this next one's for you.
Parker Summerlin, the evil of five. Hey Colin, when can we expect a Bretonnia pub quiz? Eli's
the one for that. Not me.
I gotta read a few books for that.
I don't buy that.
I might have to run it just so they're able to answer it.
Eli and Colin can like bat it out and then Andy can suffer.
What are the ones I've won so far? I won Korn, which was Travesty. I won Eli's Eldar quiz
because I wasn't running the Eldar.
If I win the Bretonnia one, I gotta quit.
But first things first though, we're getting into factions. Again, this is just the law.
We are unfortunately law people only really. So we there should be like all bread and butter
and not the live leagues of Votan come up. I'm just not gonna have an opinion on it because
there's actually no law.
We're not got them yet. The first one I believe is Adeptus Custodes.
We're rating law, right?
True.
What law? They've got like...
Well yeah.
They're always side characters.
Horace, Heresy, a few books.
I've never been gripped by Custodes lore whenever I read the Horace, Heresy books.
Custodies are always just resoundingly like there. They're present. Thanks for being here.
Everyone likes Trajan though, right?
There's a pretty good two book series. Was it Watchers of the Throne?
Yeah, Watchers of the Throne is really good, but it's like it's split between the Custodians,
Sisters of Silence, Minotaurs, Imperial Fists and like a politician who helps the High Lords
of Terror. So it's spread quite widely. So the bits they're in are good. And it's mainly
from the perspective of Captain Valerian.
But it's the only time we really have like a spotlight on them and they have to share
the spotlight, which is like...
There is another one with an Inquisitor on the cover with a... Is it the Blackstone Fortress
series? I haven't read that one yet, but it's like there's one on the cover of one of the
women Inquisitor. I haven't read that one.
Oh, yeah.
And then also in the Scyther book as a side character, which are kind of cool, but like
they're basically like, hey, do you hear about the Dark Angels invading the Imperial Palace
while we're under siege from Khorne? That's pretty messed up. And yes, that's a norm.
I saw someone say grippy tailless. I don't even know that.
Oh, god, brother.
I do have to pick out the... As much as like you kind of... Yeah, for 10,000 years, they
kind of sat there and did nothing. Just glazed the universe.
They die really well in the first heretic and also in Outcast's Dead. I like that.
I mean, the whole webway... Personally, I give them like DT or what? I don't know.
I think it's annoying because like... Yeah, I would say C, but I want to reserve it for
top of C. Because like some of the most hardcore scenes in the Horus Heresy involve custodies.
And obviously when the Emperor doesn't charge in the webway, that thing is the most baroque
over the top. That is just pure 40k Khorne, shall we say. C for custodies. Technically,
if that's the faction, that also includes Sisters of Silence as well. So I don't know
if that changed anyone's opinion.
Oh my god. I've also terror-blanked them.
I wish they had some stuff to do. That's the only thing.
Yeah, they're in the...
Ah, the Silences are cool. They're there.
Yeah. The one in... The first Death Guard, the Flight of the Isenstein. That's the last
time I remember reading about a Sister of Silence.
Yeah.
And she was only in it for the first time.
I'm gonna stir the pot. I like the one from the Tithe. I thought it was really cool and
did the Sisters justice.
I have not read that one.
It was a book. Or it was a show.
It was an animation.
It was animated.
Oh, I haven't watched that yet. I haven't watched any of the animations. I don't know where
to get them for free because I'm not a pirate of the Seven Seas. So I have not watched any.
I love the Four Threat Rebooters. I love the vampire codes.
I hope...
Our half-MDD law crimes is just for me.
We need animated 40k series as a proper 12-episode thing. It can be done. I don't care if it's
the most beautiful thing ever.
If the Lord of the Rings anime does well, that would open the gate for other fantasy
anime.
Will you get Studio Trigger to animate it?
Where is the new animation?
What's the one coming up?
Yeah, the player one or something. That's a pirate one.
It's something like that.
I think it'll be cool. It'll be a cool 10-minute thing.
Featuring Titus.
Titus is a...
So if anyone plays Space Screen 2, I think it's a direct follow-on to Space Reborn.
I'm going to Ultra-Bust.
I was going to say, I think Eli did a come there. What's going on?
I think Eli did a come.
I'm going to use it as a cry.
Soundbite that, please.
Next one, moving on swiftly.
Mechanica.
They're kind of fun.
They have one of the best horse hair seriously books too. I'd give them A or S.
I'm going to go against the grain here.
They're so 40k, bro. They're so 40k.
I'm going to go against the grain here slightly. I like them as side dishes. I don't think
I'm that... Like, lore-wise, again, it's tough because Mechanica's horse hair is a book that's
too... No, it's Mechanica. I'm sorry. It's fire. But what else is there? I don't know
what else to get excited about.
I still have to read the trilogy.
They perfectly fit the setting. I don't know.
Is it Forge of Mars? Or there's like Forge of Mars and it's like, there's a trilogy
of books that are really well received and I've not read them yet. But they're kind of
like a weird faction in terms of like, they're like the side dressing to the steak. It's
like, steak is the space marine's and Mechanica's is just there. It's like, oh, this is nice.
The space marine's is quite nice.
You take out the Mechanica's from the Imperium. You have no more Imperium. The Emperor doesn't
get his Imperium because he has no built-in guns.
But at the same time, you take the Administratum out and that's the same thing. But I don't
really want to read a book on the Administratum.
I do rather prefer the side characters. They are perfectly fitting.
They do have the one crime, I feel like, in some books and other things, which is like,
they are the most boring section in some other things. It's annoying in some things. It can
be done really well, like it's shown in some books, but I'm just not that gassed about
it, honestly.
I beg of you all, play Mechanicus. It's so cool. Children of the Omnisci-I, come on.
I think the S tier is getting, but B tier for actual lore.
I want to reserve A and S for something like, I'm genuinely excited.
Mechanicum is like an S tier book to me, though. I really like it.
But it doesn't carry strong enough.
Because there's not a Primark in it?
No, that's not even, my most favorite books are not Primark ones, but it just doesn't
get me, I'm just not gassed about it.
I admit to having a lot of bias because if I had the option, I would turn myself into
a tech priest with zero hesitation.
Throw me up.
Trays in a cum.
I will say no.
Look at me and be confused. Just not know where to start.
You know what, I'll go with the crowd then. We'll leave it in A. But I can't, if it's
top of A, obviously I'll be upset. I'll head back the wall. What's the next one?
Eldar.
I wish I could say S tier, but I can't.
Just from a lore perspective, am I wrong?
The codex lore is good. Reading your codex is great. But if you read a single Eldar book,
then it's like, wow, this sucks.
They should be, come on, do them seats here, please.
Do things a lot more than the custodians.
And they look cooler. They look way cooler.
I genuinely want to ask Colen.
They have a lot of cool unique things.
How can they be your favorite? Just in terms of like, I don't know if there's enough within
them that like, that just makes like a personal taste thing for me. Because they're like elves
are my favorite and other things. But I don't understand how Eldar could be like for you,
obviously in your heart, it's S tier.
I can give you three reasons. One, I can give you a couple reasons, but I don't know how
long we have to spend on me glazing the Eldar again.
One, again, you know what? I just like elves. I'll just say it. I like elves. They're elves
in space. Two, I like their aesthetic so much. They're like the only graceful faction in 40K.
Everyone else is these big blocky stuff. I mean, except the Tyranids aren't really blocky,
but I also wouldn't call a carnivore or a carnifex terribly graceful.
You know, they're graceful, they're elegant. Everything they do is cool. Like the craft
world lore, these massive planet ships is so cool. Their books shoot them in the foot
because like their overall faction lore is so cool. And then we get two Ynari trilogy
books that don't quite make it to the trilogy part. When they're allowed to be cool, they're
so cool. And Kaib is gain of all places. They were awesome.
And Beelzean exists. Yeah, Beelzean. It's like, yeah, they don't have the books the
other factions do because no one will give them those books. And whenever someone is
forced to make a book, it's Gav Thorpe on his way to explain why actually exploding
alaitalk is actually an Eldar win. This is huge. This should happen in an Eldar book.
You know what? If you have pushed me out to a B, I would say B.
If you like, like call it, if you just stick to their general lore, they're so, every single
unit in the Eldar is really cool and unique. Like there's no things that are overly similar
to each other. They're really flexible with it too. Because
like you can make the Eldar, you know, have these like deep, compelling characters. You
know, you got Prince Uriel, you've got, you know, Eldrad, you've got what your Vrain could
have been if, you know, Ynari stuff didn't happen. But if you don't want to do that,
you can make them like, you know, Fae elves where it's like, they're going to come out
of nowhere. They're going to give the guy to your right a handshake and all the money
he could want. And then they're going to shoot you because they're operating on a plan you
just don't know. Like you do so much with them.
They're super alien in the books. Like same hand has some wacky like upside down forests
and they all float on these little wacky disks. Like they're all, they're very unique and
they have their moments.
I think we do have a, yeah. I think Beatty, Andy Beatty. The Phoenix Lords are cooler than
Primus.
I just gave up on the lore. The lore is part of the aesthetics as well. It's not necessarily
just the tabletop minions.
Bro, every, they're really cool.
You boys are fine. All right. Like if you look at the, if you look at the Custodes Codex
and read the Custodes Codex.
I just gave it a B.
Come on.
The Salamanders, you know, the Lamenters, the supposed best good guys in the setting.
When was the last time they built a soup kitchen, Andy? Because Acerman did that.
They made the soup kitchen with their blood. It was inferred.
We do have quite a few donations.
Anyway, we'll try to keep up boys because they were, they're quite on point. The next
one is though, well, Asher Millatarum slash the guard. I mean.
On S tier, bro, every guard book I've read has been enjoyable. I've never read a bad
guard book, even though most of them just all die in the end. But they have, you know,
they have Cyphus Kane. They have every character in the old Imperial Guard Codexes. They have
every Imperial Guard Regiment, which is all quite unique from each other. They're the
freaking heroes. They're heroes.
Have I said something wrong? Is it Cyphus?
No, it's Kyphus.
Kyphus, sorry.
Oh my God. I knew she was like, cause I'm making a video.
Speaking of names, I, as someone who's almost finished every Acer Millatarum Regiment lore
that I could do. Some of them would just have weird fun names like Lugnam Sewer Rats. Hello
Lugnums. They have weird lore as well as good lore. Like, Oh, do you want to know about
the Drukian Fen Guard? You basically trade the equivalent of space cows to the Acer Millatarum.
And if they can't produce enough meat, they're like, all right, then you can have my son.
All right. That's fun. That's some world building. I like it. It's cool.
Also, also.
Kyphus Kane, Yarik, Gorn's Goat.
Imperial Guard also includes Imperial Army lore in my opinion. So Great Crusade stuff
too.
Surely got to be honest.
They're totally interesting.
Well, Andy, I think there's quite some of them.
Yeah, I think we should do that.
We should probably try to keep her just cause.
Nolan Baker has been a member for a month and says, why does Colin look shirtless in
the merch?
Like, look at me, dog. Like my wife told me this looks exactly like your skin.
So you picked the color for me.
Set. Got it for five bucks. It's got a hold of Prince Uriel and got a say. Not bad in
my opinion. Enjoy building them.
Heck yeah. He's so awesome. He's such a cool model.
Tom Warren for five bucks. The leagues of Votan have a video game full of their lore.
It's not a Warhammer game, but it still exists. It's literally not the same thing.
That whole lore is April fools.
I love Rock and Stone.
Honey, it's a beautiful sunny Friday. The law crimes gang is streaming and I can hear
the arguments coming with this list. Glorious and Stigma's blessings.
Thank you.
Incline back up 30 squigglies. If any of the worshipers of Gorka Morka brackets and Boingod
by association.
Get below a beat. I will rotisserie chicken you like.
Boingod a stronger soldier.
Like it's also good to be back from army and in a stream finally. Thank you Incline back
up.
We gotta send this guy a Boingod merch once we get there.
Brian Ryback's two bucks, Voltum Terror book series. That was the one with the custodians
on the phone.
That's the one.
Yeah.
Galactic Starrr- Styr- Styr- Barr. Styr- Barr. Jesus Christ. Two bucks.
I'm leaving you.
You get excited about the toasters for Angrake.
It's a classic.
It depends how many slots they have.
Angry Hamongos are five pounds. If the Elder were more like J.K. Simmons from Baldur's
Gate 3, great.
I saw that one. I don't get it.
If I knew who that was, yeah.
Spider-Man. Curse you, Spider-Man.
J. Jonah Jameson.
Yeah, J. Jonah. He's also been flashed in that movie.
I can't remember the name of the villain he plays in Baldur's Gate 3. He's like an immortal
elf.
J.K. Simmons, Baldur's Gate.
He's like a servant of the source, to be honest. But that guy's so intimidating.
Heatherick. Yeah, I didn't get that far into Baldur's Gate.
We got another donation, but it's a bit edgy, guys.
I'll take the E.
Okay.
H. Neela for the 5 BGN. Lore crimes have the best lore. They'll join the Taliban.
That'd be quite the story.
I didn't know they were fans of Warhammer. What's going on?
Christ alive.
I like elites.
What is this?
Is that Oak Kingdoms?
No way.
He's got an axe.
Can we zoom in? Can we zoom in on that?
Enhance image.
Is that a corn guy? What is that?
What are you?
There is an AOS.
Looks like Age of Sigmar.
Yeah, I think that's a corn guy. He has two axes.
Could be most corny.
They don't have most corny.
That's what it is. Blades of blades of corn.
I don't know that existed, bro. So F, I guess. I don't know.
They're not too bad. They are trying some new...
Oh yeah, blades of corn.
They're trying some new interesting characters with that one. Like variations on their wall
leaders. Again, it's very like it needs longer to cook a lot of Age of Sigmar stuff. So I
mean, I've had to put it in D just because I know it's like, it's not dog water, but
like it's... it's not completely hate. Like I hate it.
The backstory to the Age of Sigmar was after they basically conquered the mortal realms.
Corn turned around and fought all of the other chaos gods at once, which was, I don't know,
it was pretty neat. I don't like corn, so I don't need to be convinced and not put it
into D. Believe me, I'm here with you.
Corn fighting all the gods at once was pretty freaking awesome.
It was pretty cool. I'll give them that.
Is that a factions lore though, or is that just general?
That's just fact like general lore.
Yeah.
It was corn doing it and it's the blades of corn. I feel somewhat obligated to give it
to them.
Just unleashing his inner Randy Marsh.
I ain't here no bell.
Corn make a giant fist to punch a city. I haven't read that lore yet. He did empower
Angra onto crack a moon. That was a thing.
In Lewis time.
Ah, demons is the next one.
I mean...
Do demons even have a evil?
Are there any books where the demons are the main character other than Bellacor?
It's hard because as it's general lore, demons are not uninteresting. There's one by, you
know, corrupted Lorgar Ingothel, which we spoke about recently. If anyone wants to go
check out our last Great Crusade episode, Colin's suffering.
I'll never be free.
I mean demons are kind of everywhere. Samus.
They have cool characters. Everyone loves Scarbrand. Nikari is neat.
Yeah, but again, they're more so what I was saying about the Mechanicus. They're not even
the salad. They're like the ranch dressing. It's like you can season other factions with
demons and stuff.
Their Kojok's lore is really cool.
Again, their Kojok's lore is cool. Blue Skies are cool.
I think C-tier at least.
I think they're more interesting than C-tier.
Look, if demons were removed from Warhammer, it would feel incredibly weird. But at the
same time, I wouldn't be that upset reading a book where chaos isn't the surprise bad
guy without fault.
Yeah.
But like that same line of logic of Custodes, if Custodes were removed from Warhammer, I
wouldn't even notice.
Bad point.
I think they deserve C. They do more than Custodes.
Yeah, that's true.
And their characters are very cool.
Scarbrand showing up is always fun.
Is that all night?
Chaos nights.
I have not read a Chaos Nights book.
Can we put Chaos Demons above Custodes for a single line like thing Scarbrand does?
Okay.
Well, thank all I was trying to summon a greater demon of the Horned Rat and Scarbrand showed
up instead. And Scarbrand just says, I'm sorry. He just basically goes, he couldn't pick up
the phone. I'm here instead. And he's just starting to mobilize rats and dwarves.
Demons have double the lore because they're in both cities.
Yeah.
Oh, he's appeared. Khabanda's mighty shlom of Cygnus. We summoned him while he's speaking
to us.
Nice.
Are there any Chaos Nights books? I have not read one. If there is any.
I mean, technically you could talk about House Divine in the Horus Heresy series where they're
like, Slaresh corrupted, but it's not a book for them, but they are heavily in that book.
Something doesn't have to have a book like with Eldar. They don't have a huge ton of
books, but they still have a lot of their surrounding lore.
How much codex lore does the Knights even have?
The Knights in the Chaos Nights are like, I'm glad they're here, but...
Should we cover them at the same time just to save a bit?
Yeah.
I feel like Imperial Knights have more than Chaos Knights.
They do.
Yeah. They have houses.
Mechanicum or whatever houses. It makes Knights pretty cool. Just that book alone.
Lord Hyde, Lord Conorum. Andy Wos is the name of the guy.
The Eradicator. Yeah, he's got a whole thing. I promise I'm going to do a video one day,
and it's just gonna be that is most of it. And I'll just say, he is so-and-so, so-and-so.
And then it ends, and that's the whole video.
I kinda like it when they show up quite a lot though with Knights.
It's always fun when a Knight shows up.
Well, the thing is, some of the loyalist ones have cool stuff. I think it's House Fironi,
they actually kill like, like, Godzilla's on their home planet.
They kill like gigantic beasts, and that's their thing, because they're called God Slayers.
And it's like, that's pretty cool. And then some of them are like, oh, there's another house.
They covered their pirates, so Horus found them. And they were like, we'll be good boys now.
And then he became a traitor, and they went, oh, we can be bad boys again.
So like, they thrived during the Horus heresy. There's some like interesting stuff,
but again, there's only a bit of it in the Horus heresy.
And I tried to do a series on Knight houses, and I did four.
And I was like, oh, that's practically all the lore they have. Damn.
They needed a bit of lore.
I think of like a free-blader game, but yeah.
It's like in Betrayal, and they like have the war dog ones,
and like they run around like packs, and they pull down like a titan by like injecting spears in it.
Oh yeah, that was the Ursus Claw.
Yeah, they... I mean, knights are kind of... I don't know if... I feel like DT is almost too mean,
but again, like I don't know if anyone is that gassed about knights.
Imperial Knights for sure deserves E.T.R.
Do I dare mention Dawn of War 3? There was a playable titan character, wasn't there?
Yeah.
Yeah, that was like... Dawn of War 3 had a couple good things,
and then the rest of Dawn of War 3 has to be there.
And there was a free-blade game, and there was a DLC for Inquisitor where you played as a titan free-blade.
It's like, why? Why do I play as a titan? Why not?
Okay.
They're cool.
They're cooler than Chaos Knights for sure, even though the designs for Chaos Knights are cooler.
Yeah, the designs for Chaos Knights are cooler.
It's not ranked off their Minutes, though.
Chaos Spice Marines.
I think I'll just be quiet here.
I don't like Spice Marines?
Because I look at the Chaos Space Marines, I feel like, alright, how about I'll start nice?
That might be the single best 40k Codex cover. That is unbelievably cool.
That's pretty good. I think they deserve A, too.
I think I look at them... you see, that goes hard. I'm not gonna lie, that art goes so hard.
But the problem is, I look at that art and I go, damn, these guys are evil. What have they got for me?
And then I hear, I hate my dad so much.
So bad.
We have that. To be fair, you do have that, but you also have things like Sindri.
Sindri!
If you're on Blackheart, it's cool.
Their highs are really high, their lows are pretty low.
Word Pairs, Biond Warriors, Calphe Legion.
I think there are at least 8. There's so much lore.
Yeah, there is so much lore.
Knight Lord Trilogy?
Oh, Knight Lords.
That's good.
Yeah, give them F tier for the Knight Lord Trilogy.
Bro.
Have you read the...
I think 8 tiers is sort of interesting.
I've started reading it. I will forever mauled about Jain Czar.
Yeah.
But there's a thing, it's like, jumping back out...
It's so vast, they have really highs, they have really lows, but the main unifying thing is they have like...
Is it fair to say the second most lore because they are space marines and loyalists have more?
But then like, chaos space marines are also everywhere all the time, so yeah, they have stuff.
And they're really cool when they show up in books.
I miss them.
Surely, lore-wise, they're better than the mechanics.
Oh, here we go.
Cities of Sigmar.
I'm going to say...
High C, low B.
They've got some pretty cool stuff that's cooked up.
They've got like...
I think one thing I like a lot is when they did their big model refresh they had lately that updated them from just being like old fantasy models.
They created this character and the whole idea was like she just reformed their entire goddamn military.
Because as it turns out, guy with spear is a...
You know, Faith Steel and gunpowder is good, but also goddamn Scarbrand is right there. I'd like to have your gun.
Can I ask you a question, Colin?
Yes.
A prominent YouTube Age of Sigmar player I heard recently say in his opinion, they shouldn't have made Stormcast Eternals the poster boys of the Age of Sigmar.
It should have been Cities of Sigmar.
That's pretty big.
That was a big sigh.
I get where that opinion comes from, and I don't completely disagree with it.
But I also kind of like that they tried to make the Stormcast the same level as Space Marines, and it didn't pan out.
Because as a side effect, in my opinion, it ended up giving the Stormcast more depth than they would have otherwise had if they were just, look guys, it's the Space Marines again.
But now they're on the ground.
I think it would have just felt like they were trying to recreate fancy but with a new layer of paint on it, rather than...
Which is kind of what they did, yeah. Originally.
I think the big problem they had was like, once you've got Stormcast Eternals and they all look gold and blue, or a little bit silver, it's kind of like, you can't distinguish them from one another.
But now those Cities of Sigmar has more personality in terms of like, ah, they have actual faces and more character, and they're not as, I guess, homogenized maybe?
They're not as copy-pasted as Stormcast Eternals?
Although I'm gonna bring up that color compliment when we get to the actual Space Marines, Andy. I'm gonna hold you to that sentence.
Alright, alright.
They're cool. They've got some stuff cooking now. Like there's this religious prophet lady who, on the one hand, single-handedly ruined the Cities of Sigmar military campaign, because she started seeing Sigmar's holy light in fucking wheels.
She went off her rocker. But also, I know, describing it like that is weird, but like, see, in the lore, it's like, you know what? That's pretty cool. I hate you. You ruined everything that, you know, the other lady who reformed their entire military and kicked ass did. You kind of ruined what she did.
But also, you ruined it in a war hammer way. So you know what? Fair enough. I'm glad you're here.
Respectable.
Well, Dark Angels.
I think Dark Angels suffer from the same thing the Eldar suffer from.
No one who writes their books likes Dark Angels.
Their Codex lore is so cool. They have the best aesthetic of any Space Marine chapter of the Legion. And then you read their books and they're just like, they're just such dicks. They're just so awful.
Yeah.
They're a bit on the older side of some of those books, though. They're kind of more in the grim dark vibe of when they were like properly grim dark.
I like Persian of Codilus. I think they're actually pretty nice. But I just finished War of Secrets for a second time. And they spend the whole Book of War of Secrets just, oh, we're brainwashing our primaries. Oh, we're going to kill all the angels of absolution. We're going to make deals with the Tau.
Or even the new Cipher book. It's like, we're going to invade the Imperial Palace and kill a custodian if we have to. Guys, what are you doing?
There's a falling on the planet again.
And it's the big warrior.
And the thing where like seven of them gang up on a custodian and he kills like so many of them instantly. And because they have a librarian called Mordecai, they kind of get away with it. But it's like, dude, dude, that's a custodian. What are you doing?
The Dark Angels would be great with nursing home residents because all of their lore is about falling.
Me, a Black Library author, trying desperately not to write another book about the fallen plot line.
I'm falling.
Lion Sons of the Forest is a good book. It's a problem for the Dark Angels.
It's confirmed my fear for one of the outcomes of the fallen getting resolved, which is it's a big old wet fart of nothing. Oh, by the way, the Primarch is back and we're done. Everyone's happy and loves each other now.
Yeah, that's all right.
And as real as it's still on the loose.
But like the rest of the fallen are just like Lionel Johnson is just going around like, are you chaos corrupted? No. All right, come on in, buddy.
Yeah, it's going to suck it up. It's going to be a really difficult balancing act. Whoever does like Lion versus Luther and maybe also what's the Demon Prince Dark Angel?
He's got like a lion's face. He broke Marv. Marv. Yeah, Marv is the guy who broke him out and he's a Demon Prince. He's like the only Demon Prince from the Dark Angels and say, that's kind of unique, like him and Luther.
Are you going to do like a whole series of books about that? Are they then going to like kill them all? And then it's like, oh, we just have Dark Angels no more fallen ever again.
It has the problem of like, yes, it resolves a plot line. But also now, what do you do with the fallen? Yeah. What do you do with Cypher? Guy Hayley, he just writes like a slap on the wrist.
I don't know. That man is willing like he'll properly put in there like and then the loyal, the actual chapter Dark Angels secretly were killing loyalists fallen. He'll do it because they already did.
Especially with the revelation that the Emperor speaks directly to Cypher in his book and he just he's like on the threshold to the throne room. He's just like, be gone fought. And he goes, OK, like, well, OK.
So that whole book was kind of pointless, I guess he says not yet. And then something like all back in a bit. Yeah, he goes, be gone. Yeah.
I honestly think they should be like the right is like low B or high C just because they're static is cool.
They're overarching lore was really good. And then you read a Dark Angels book and I fall and I fall and I fall and I can't get up and I fall and I fall and I fall and the whole extra fall and hold the falling on the side.
They just go below Eldar and beats here. That's fine.
Because I have the same thing. I will say if they make an animated short in the style of like 1930s American cartoons or as Maddai is just sitting there watching the lion bring back all these fallen and he's like that steam coming out of his ears like Popeye the Sailor Man instantly will bring it up to S tier because that would be the funniest.
What's the name of the Looney Tunes guy? He's like, I'm going to get that rabbit. But it's it's looking for the fallen. I've got to get that dastardly cipher.
We're getting that guy's name.
That guy.
What is this?
That's the in some less tier for Colin.
I look.
How about I try and justify it. How about we start with that.
I won't start with the exact reason Eli said yes here for Colin. Look, the cities of Sigmar pardon me daughters of Kane, or why I like AOS is plotline so much because it just moves things happen, and people are allowed to do big things.
Marathi started Age of Sigmar getting backhanded by Nagash because she kept trying to worm her way in with everyone, and she had the wonderful idea of trying to seduce the skeleton, which went as well as you would think.
She was humiliated. She set up the cult of Kane and was like, Hey, hey everyone, look, I'm gonna, we're gonna bring back Kane, I have his heart, we found his remnants, we worship it. We're gonna bring back Kane, which could happen, except she was lying siphoning the power for herself.
And if that plotline were to happen in 40 K or even I would even say fantasy. It would have either never happened and she would have always been on the brink of becoming Marathi Kane, or it would have been you know read and gone wrong and we'd be back to square one.
She did it. She's a full fledged goddess now.
That's cool. All I can say is seduce the skeleton sounds like some kind of weird carnival game is good like kind of like seduce the skeleton with a prize. I would honestly say eight here because it's like just things happen with the daughters of Kane you can see their society
like splitting now because some of them are like, I do not like Marathi. It turns out she was lying to us because she's a god and I don't see Kane anywhere.
Others are like well, she's got a good point now I'll take your word for it being a but I don't know if top of a is just bringing it down a bit, but also, it's really cool.
Like their daughters of pain war is honestly really interesting and actually goes places.
Cool.
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For five euros I want to thank you Colin I'm learning where to put reflections on my non metallic metal sphere thanks to your forehead cheese.
You know what.
That was almost a compliment if you look really hard at ignore half the message.
Five bucks, who did more damage the dark angels or the alpha Legion also also woo woo.
The true Phoenix King.
That's right.
We got the first time.
I'll take this one.
Okay.
They're asking me.
Thank you man USA with the five you're an ancient malakith and we're at these four inches in you person bus first count me.
Wow.
We can go.
I'm like, there's some cool stuff in there.
I'm like designs more Tarion is a cool looking demon Primark. They have some cool moments but then a lot of it just like there's some frustration there.
I think this is really good with the warband next.
It's like I'm a god, a lot of stuff it would probably be top of C, because I know they're like reasonably light and they're not bad, but honestly they have, they do have some banging books, they are in fighting white scars a lot of the time, and it's quite good to have that contrast losing.
I mean, yeah, the shame. The thing I find difficult about them is like they actually surprisingly have a lack of characters in it is like was it typhus and more Tarion that's kind of it, and then, or in the laws, I have some weird stuff.
They do have some weird stuff like there was one time a death guard. He's a main character, he's a character. I can't remember his name is like poxilax or something. He like, he, he fought the sons of dawn chapter master, Alexander Ross the great who died from a wound
that was infected with poison, and then every chapter master has to drink his poisoned blood, which led to Alexander Ross the mad. And then there's a new one called Alexander Ross the blind who's actually, he's a blank, so he can quell like psychers.
And I was like, that's a really specifically weird story and it's kind of cool. Thanks, death guard.
But again, they're not like tangents.
They're slightly related away from me you smell. Yeah, I think I'm comfortable with them being there because they're not better than anything above them on the list, and they're not worse than anything below them so I mean yeah mid, they are like the most mid of mid.
They are undoubtedly part of the setting.
I love this comment from angry him because his name is not that yet his name was it is is Alexander Ross the great that's his quite wonderful.
And sometimes they don't try.
It was a homebrew, and then it became canon.
No, it has Asia in the jar. Wow.
Disciples of zinch.
That go here is so cool.
You know, zinch doesn't really do much in fantasy.
Didn't really change that trend.
I also think they kind of the way they have it as like non space Marines engine stuff it looks kind of goofy.
I'm going to fight you on that this guy is this one.
No, no, not as angle I mean like the cultist and all that's like their cultists and that their human followers look a bit. I'm pulling up the disciples of zinch. They're just they're just blokes who are wearing like a blue shin pad like that's every chaos cultist.
It's all of them.
The like the corner.
The zinchi ones look really good. The zinchi ones do like go above and beyond.
No good ones are easy like to get a cool vibe from but the zinchi ones is hard to.
It's just have this have a lot more like mutated monsters and like crazy eldritch stuff they don't really.
You know I mean I, where's my, where's my Nihilata tap, like in the middle of the battlefield making people literally eat their own hands because they're going crazy or something.
Crazy stuff. I like the zinchi guy who's the two brothers fuse together.
Yeah, village and other guy who cares like Tom.
The big, the big burly one the week.
Yeah, but but but now they like they upgraded the trope by just fusing them into one being.
Yeah, and yeah D tier for me honestly. I don't really care enough to argue that.
You know what, you know what, I want to put in a because I find comorah fascinating. I was going to know the units are that enough.
I mean like comorah itself, Vax, they are like, they're looking unique because they're, they're not a good they don't have a government, it's a crime syndicate as a whole faction cabal's don't like.
There's no tax policy, it's a protection racket where you pay back to not die. Yeah.
It's funny when a good any drew car he looks at Fabio spiral and they see what he's doing they go. Cute, like what are you guys up to.
I've not really read a story.
I also like they even train Fabio so they were like hey we'll teach you some nasty shit and he's like, okay.
They're amused by him. Yeah, nubs to have a hand at his hands in this dark age.
Yeah, so good. So dark elder also do something that I swear to God, I don't think any other Zenos faction truly gets, which is that in their specific field.
Everyone just gives them credit for without arguing. Like everyone you know everyone's going to argue Oh can an incubus beat you know chapter master, you know, biggest dick is Maximus and one v1.
And he argues, though, if he does lose that he should do anything but try and blow his head off immediately.
Everyone gives the dark elder their credit of, yeah, that's horrifying.
I vibe with them. I like, I like dark.
At least most times if they show up in stories, they're actually quite an interesting adversary is interesting.
They do get completely wrecked and whether the warhammer TV shows though it's the blood angels origins, where it's like, oh, the sword of violence been immobilized by the true cari and they're just kind of dicking around and then the crew managed to like, help the ship
in zero G and just blast it at close range and they all die and they look smug and then they're like, it's okay.
And there was the, and there was the iron within where the iron war is completely more than completely.
They have the problem that any Zenos faction does when space marines are also in the book that space means just magically when you have has bricks did something almost unheard of had a good Zenos book, and an L good elder book.
Although to be fair, the example was baseline humans it wasn't space means it was just dudes, it was just dudes manning a cannon, it was great.
I don't know if they want to agree to put a bottom of a.
Okay, they earned their spot I think.
Oh, I actually love these guys so much.
They're pretty sick.
Imagine the most noble of nightly houses, led by super king Arthur he's the most chivalrous guy you will ever meet all of you know, the lords and ladies of the court are elegant and graceful, and they go out to genuinely in their eyes they they will protect
them and they go out into the mortal realms to defend you know the oppressed from chaos from the other factions and death from you know orcs from you know, even order when Marathi is acting up.
You look at them from the outside, and it is a cannibal army of ghouls, eating you alive, but in their mind, they're fighting honorable one v ones and saving the day, and also that insanity is contagious.
You will become an honorable night yourself who just so happens to eat people and use their bones and taking it to the extreme if you can't beat them, join them.
And insane vampires. I don't know why like the general like thing about their law, their shtick is generally one of the more cooler things, I think to AOS, it's not really done anywhere else.
I would honestly put them in B tier. They're very cool.
It is a, you can do a lot of different stuff with the specifics of their insanity.
And I think that the shuram is leading them.
It's so hard to separate that model from the floor. Oh my because it's so good.
But I'm trying.
Also Eli, any comment that these are actually Bretonians, I've heard that.
Perhaps, perhaps.
I mean if that's what Bretonni turned into them good.
Show them for what they really are.
Probably my favorite curse ever.
Which is, they can snap out of their insanity. And then they realized for the past 10 years they've been going around eating and murdering people when they thought they were a knight, and they usually just slip back, they just go and say it again.
That's depressing.
Love it.
Hang on, this is their lore, give them a C. They have pretty cool lore about like how their clans work, and how their mercenaries who, yeah they're on the side of order.
But if you pay him enough for gold, you know that chaos warband is paying us, we'll do it.
Collecting the dead gold of their gold.
Yeah, their dead god Grimnir.
They have some really fun interactions with you know our boy Gottrick, when he wishes they would go anywhere but around him but they don't because he's kind of an avatar of Grimnir now.
Their lore is really cool. It's not the most you know expansive but it's cool, just please don't ever look at their models.
I love 50 take it or nothing.
Grimnir die was it like when Sonic gets hit he loses all his like coins.
Yeah, probably see.
I think these almost too harsh.
The model range would be the model range would be F.
Yeah.
Inspired by Goblins.
I don't know a thing about these guys.
They're, they're neat.
They're a little bit more like they worship the moon, and whenever they invade and like the weeks preceding mushrooms start growing on everything and spiders will just magically appear.
It's really it's honestly really like kind of horrifying, but also, they're still Goblins so you know that there's a small part in the got in a God track book where they're about to invade somewhere and this guy's dark he's like he's basically being
taunted by the moon in their realm because eventually he literally is going mad he just says to his servants. I swear the moon had a face on it and then it smiled.
So they somehow corrupt.
It was the Zelda moon to say going in space. I don't know, they're cool and I like them but at the same time I can't bring myself to really have passion for maybe below lowest policy, maybe.
No, it's not.
I lowest part of see I guess I don't like D is objectively bad see is see is like, and it's all right. I guess yeah put it put them at the bottom of see either there.
Yeah, I wouldn't be happy if they were gone, but I also wouldn't be sad.
Great nights are great. I love the night ward. I love her nights, they their lore has changed drastically over the years, but I think they're really cool. I think they're.
They are what custodians should have been. We should just never talked about custodians great night should be the only hyper elite space marine army in the game, and the best thing about the
and to be fair they also have nights errant law which is also really interesting and cool and focal for the horrors heresy from day one.
Yeah, I'd give them asked here though I give them asked here for Calderon.
Yeah, because I'm not sure it's like, it doesn't have like the best books in the or like law in the entire series, but generally like if I feel like border space marines great nights don't really have that same feeling that they are interesting they don't operate
the same way which is space marine chapter does Titan.
They have some damn good books as well they have their own kind of old now but their own trilogy. I think at that moment, was it was it one of you I just I got any. Can I, can I offer a counter to all of that.
Andy circus is a great night.
Can we just put them in here.
I agree.
Oh, Drago on the grand masters.
Enville thorn, the unkillable space marine, who is maybe one of the best sword, Aaron Crow.
Yeah, there's a bit of your.
It's it is the trilogy one where the lead, the lead great night like asked to come up to the command deck. He's also taught with his brothers about like you know what's going to talk to the captain about and he ends up bringing all of them with it because
it wouldn't be in by himself.
Also lest we not forget Colin that Grey Knights fourth brotherhood were helping Gilliam and during the Terran crusade. Very helpful for getting him back on the phone world.
The months, the months of shame exists.
Yeah.
You see but that I'm saving that for when I bitch incessantly about the space will
be the next one.
I'm with you like I think we've been overruled.
One is that he's a nice.
I don't know any friggin Sigmar Lord, I'd say just bottom of B, because there again they're like age of Sigmar is kind of a lot of like actively moving plot lines and their whole baby.
Well they got that signal and his asses chaps.
They're cool. They're like looking for so much and they're there they are slowly but surely like getting there like so much has been breaking your chains a bit.
I didn't have deepkins and that's cool. I just can't hold it back because like that is that is then.
Oh, is that as it wasn't here.
I don't, I don't know if I'd say yes here but I would say to you definitely.
I love underwater stuff.
Thank you for listening to that. I just I'm I'm fine with anything underwater honestly.
I'm just 100% though.
The Lord thing is kind of grim darky in Asia Sigmar because they kind of not good guys but like they're like you know enemy of my enemies my friend.
Giant turtle.
Please present to the audience. I like turtles.
I would put them above the dark elder, because they're, they're like if someone like was given like the basics of the dark elder and said hey, make them not awful.
Yeah.
Oh, that's fine. Ah, they're like, you know, they got the same kind of like general stick, but the they're actively like, how do we, how do we not have to do this, I don't like stealing people's souls to live, but I also really don't want to die.
They're like, they're like a fight is called they have like the mess was the miss called again the energy, they bring the ocean with them. They literally fight in the water, but in air like around people like it's just so cool and I'm going to see.
I'm gonna get amnesia about it. Oh, I was is so cool. And then I love their background their army book rule, their lore it's really cool. I've never read a single carriage and book, I off the top my head couldn't tell you if one exists.
I think, but I really love Bioshock.
Man chooses. Where did they live.
He.
No, no, no.
Andy Come on Bioshock dwarves you can't tell me that's not at least a little bit intriguing. Yeah, this guy speaks you.
Yeah, but you haven't even played Bioshock Come on.
That's not Bioshock that's out that's Bioshock infinite you got
to know what you're talking about.
You're trying to relate to in there.
Yeah, but they're more infinite than anything they live in these floating sky fortresses, but Bioshock infinite slight.
It's fine. Bioshock one.
Peak peak. They're both good.
No, no, no. Bioshock infinite is good but Bioshock one is a master. It's a masterpiece.
I play like once a year. It's amazing. Put them behind, put them behind the gloom spite gets at least please.
Yeah, I think we do have some more donations as well.
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Thank you brother. It is a compliment for Colin. You are the reason I brought the Uriel model due to some propaganda. Thank you brother.
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I know it like it is kind of generic, but it is generally the best advice.
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Because if you don't start, you're never going to know what works.
You're never going to know if you can do it.
You'll never get better if you don't start. So you've got to start.
The worst thing is when people, if they start it and they're like, oh, I've got this better idea and I'll just wait and then I'll do that one.
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It's well, the first half of that. I do know that.
They gave me a heart on the comment I left on one of their videos, which gave me a little fanboy moment because I like that channel a lot.
And it was a comment about the ultramarines, baby.
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Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.
I had a feeling I'm going to be angry. How dare you direct worshipers of point.
Actually, actually, we're the most direct.
You are.
We didn't. When is the next project going to feed its coverage stream? Probably not that far. Actually, we might be on that in a while.
That's actually a very good one.
Depending on it was a good one. Fair, because if it was for 40 K, it'd be the Dark Angels and S tier and everyone else like, baby.
We have. We have. Okay. Next one is easy.
Say, come on, ask for rock and stone. Come on, rock and stone.
Literally not. Yeah. And if all the bones hears you, he's going to wash your mouth out.
Well, he's going to give us all a pipe bomb for putting them enough.
I don't get it. Honestly, I think it's like it's just like he got swept up and like, oh, these guys look cool. And then like nothing's happened. And he's now like, I've committed. I've got the tattoo.
I'm I'm going to hold that. I do like the leagues of O-Ton, but I also accept I'm outnumbered three to one here. Bro, it actually has like, what have you read? Are you are you gas enough to put it in a higher tier?
Are you going to go buy that book? Yes.
That was wow.
That was quite high. I would argue at least D because the basics of them are cool. Like they're, you know, the space like they worship these living computers that are failing. They've got like it's all about mercantilism and commerce.
Let's let's reframe this for a second. So like just just at this point in time.
If leagues of O-Ton are indeed, is there any conceivable faction that could be lower because they've got no law? What? I guess I understand. Yeah. But Tony is still coming up. Okay. Okay.
What are these guys doing?
I'm outnumbered. Do what you will.
It's a lot of the machine spirit, but in it.
Oh yeah. Luminous.
Wish I think preemptively I should put this at least.
Let's drag him down from here. I wanted to keep myself out of this for a minute. I'm informing someone of the slander that's just occurred.
Mr. Bones. Is it a particular Canadian we know?
Oh no. He'll be in the chat screaming at us. Luminous.
Their models are so cool because I love the Greek elves. I love like the like the weird cavalry they have. I'm going to say it. I really love the rock cow. I like the rock cow. Yeah, it's awesome. It's so weird.
This is not about design, isn't it?
The lore being like they achieve like enlightenment through bonding with like elemental spirits is cool. Kind of reminds me of Avatar a bit. The airbender, not blue people. Who cares?
I can't say it's more exciting and more interesting than a flesh eater courts for me.
I see. It's they're still even they've still been getting a couple new stuff and blurbs and books. They're still missing half their lore because Tyrion has not shown up yet and half the nations based themselves on Tyrion.
We've really only seen the Teclis based nations. Mr. Bones. Which I like Teclis more, but I kind of want his brother to show up eventually.
I mean, also a lot of their stuff would be interacting with whatever the hell Malekith is doing. Don't know that yet. That's C to I don't think it's a tear. I think it is from like it must be B and I'm willing to put it between dark angels and death.
I think it's better than death guard. That would honestly I mean I'm okay with that, but I would honestly go to right behind the flesh of your course. Yeah, I was I was gonna suggest it. I didn't have wasn't it get any wiggle room.
Yeah.
Quite a few to go.
No, I call stuff.
I don't know anybody.
What's the what's the AOS you know the boy it's not a good sign. I can't remember that is it.
No, the the the Glotkin are like that's like specifically a model like that's a character.
Oh boy that's this is not bode well for the maggot kin of Nergal. All right, I was right, but I didn't commit to it.
They sure smell and are here.
After you put up a D tier or F here I who cares. I know you leave the botanist for me it's I can't I can't leave them with the others then any hi.
We all agree in every year.
Come on, even me.
Literally top of this year.
Divine. I mean, I guess they are necrons character is cool. They didn't miss with a single necrons main character.
Wow, not all of them are cool. Like some of the ones from the Jaka reach a bit.
The like the main codex guys I mean like Sandra can occur over on.
It is always a good time. I don't know if I could put it above God, just because I know some of the stuff in the gods got some worse stuff in it, but there's some very few spectacles of like, like true gleaming best warhammer in the guy.
Just, just the main cast of the necrons competing with Yarik Kane and and gaunt is already quite like an even match and then there's like a whole bunch of other asked military and stuff as well.
Yeah, that's fair. So, yeah, I would be remiss if I didn't give them a credit though Kyifus Kane is fought everyone in the galaxy.
I think Aaron the most are the necrons. Yeah. He would know. He would know fear he's quite familiar with fear night more spooky dead people.
They're, they're kind of cool. They're looking Eric to me. They're like, yeah, you know what, because it's obviously got a gas. It's really in the gas. He's mainly he's amazing. I'm going to save my my negation glazing for the OCR.
Lady Allender her lures pretty cool and their overall stuff is you know it's like angry vengeful spirits that are partially angry and full because the gas tortured them to shut up.
I
know a guy who has 20,000 painted points of Nighthaunt.
I don't know if I could put him in here but the song alone.
Like, please.
It's like a lesser version of the necrons where I'm never going to be upset when an ogre shows up.
You know I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. Yeah. What's the next one. Love me.
Somewhere in a minimum.
I put the top of higher up higher up in a G, the og enemy bro. You know what I'm going to say as to why genuinely like you're done in in Warhammer is something like one of the best parts, explaining or people who don't know about
Warhammer is one of the most enjoyable things about all just like, oh by the way, paint and color has different magic effects. You know I mean like a friend of mine did some voice work on my channel and she was like, oh yeah.
So and I got our box of like miniatures to get started. We were just talking about the factions and she was like, oh these guys are quite cool this world has more ones like orcs and like, did you know they're made of mushrooms, she was like,
I'm not sure what's my favorite faction because it's just they're just fun.
Yeah, shout out to my, my, my boy Ben, who went from playing his first game of 140 K only a few like a month ago, and then has already got 1500 points.
And shout out Ben. Is that scroll down a bit more Andy I just want to see if there's if that's. Alright, so that is going to be all of I think the orc orc orc lands that like there's like there's a couple different subtypes.
That's that's, this is a just another guy.
I would say, not doing spite top of see that's like the orc work lands all of them. There's some cool stuff there, their main orc character is a like he's, he's for an orc for an orc is quite philosophical, because he's like I don't want to kill
everyone, because who would be left to fight, I'm not chaos, I don't want to, you know, soft goes or comedies.
Or can get where he's like, oh, chaos is whack. Why don't kill everything that's insane but also, I want to fight everything like all these order, you know pansies that's too much.
He's, he's an orc trying to find a middle ground which is just so funny. That's the craziest thing you've ever said, honestly, I know.
There's also the cruel boys.
They're like Tolkien ask orcs given a warhammer flavors like they're scrawny either not like you know, eight feet tall and as wide. They're pretty cool. They're actually malicious. I know some people argue that warhammer 40k arcs are necessary malicious cruel boys are they like what
they do and what they do is hurt.
I'm not saying I believe it I'm just saying people have made the argument. Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying to those people read rinse well, you're bad guys works are not, but have you seen are always running their opinion.
I mean, the rings of power with the, the orc child.
I'm not even, I'm not even entertaining watching that show. Yeah, I've heard so honestly that's like, I'm at an age now where I'm like this franchise is now, like finished for me, I'm not playing any new games of this I'm not going to what to me.
I'm going to enjoy it what it was started now.
I mean, who's the main guy again.
Catacross.
How to create this guy's law is so cool.
Honestly, I want to put him.
I come on.
And I have to come on the gash. What, what, like, briefly what's so cool about them, because I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, the gash is super soldiers built for the composite souls of a whole bunch of people selectively curated to weed out the personality traits and the gash doesn't like, like, decent human being cowardice, stuff like that.
But he does like stuff like part of what is cultivated by the OC arc is a still like artisans poets stuff like that. They end up being like they actually do things in their off time like build society stuff like that.
All of course dedicated to the gash for such as his power.
They are like they do have cool stuff they actually work with the living, the bone tithe. Once a year, you better give them X amount of bones.
These are just repertorians, or they're going to take them. Hey, Eli. This is Traitorian Lord.
Let's have a
category. If I remember correctly, he, he was just a regular mortal who there was other parts of different underworlds that lived in the realm of death, and then he basically encountered the gash and went on the way to start conquering other under afterlives like,
he's like, other afterlives next to each other. He went around his societies after life ended up being like bureaucratic hell, except this was their heaven. And then he looked to the right and saw like, you know, heaven was like what, why am I here, why can't I be over there.
And then he started just marauding.
Heaven sucks I want out.
And then they're designed to cause well also, how many, how many factions have a have conquered part of chaos, or just them.
That's crazy. Just them.
Oh, can't conquer death.
Oh, yes. Lizardman. This is a way.
Can we just put like the normal lizardman next to them.
Yeah, they kind of have the same thing.
They have some cool stuff but like the slan now is actually being awakened. Lord croak alone has to bring him up to like the top of B tier.
He stopped time, not because he stopped time. Lord croak man.
He didn't stop time because he stopped time he stopped time because reality was buffering like a YouTube video that hadn't caught up yet.
Where's the other lizardman.
He's an awesome right hand corn Andy.
Oh yeah.
We might as well put them there then.
Oh, yes.
Yes. Both skavens.
I think we didn't need to skavens because the skaven, even more so than the lizardman are just the skaven.
Yeah.
I mean we just got the other skaven one as well.
I don't think we need to justify it but I mean thank all is a ridiculously funny character.
We can chatter in our in war crimes chat. The skaven are either the most horrifying thing in the book or the funniest thing in the book and it's great either way.
It's one of the best things that's part of Warhammer honestly.
It's one like a lot of people that it keeps them invested in age of sigma slash fantasy stuff is literally just a skaven exists.
Well actually hilarious characters wacky just dynamite in a book form. I have a question.
Is it fair to say that the difference between skaven and AOS skaven is nothing because don't fix it if it's not broken.
They are the same. They are the same. They literally didn't die. They are ported over.
The differences in Warhammer fantasy we had to clan mores in or like clan Ashen clan spryer in AOS we have the clans of spryer the clans of Ashen.
There was millions of clan mores now there's millions of clans mores.
Oh, okay.
Fair enough.
Who's this. Oh, this is Archeon isn't it.
I think that's a slaves to darkness.
He's got a big pointy helmet.
Well, it's undivided essentially but AOS.
That one generally feels like quite generic and the other one.
Archeon won Warhammer.
Just looking at this can I just do a quick meme you know HR wants you to find the difference between the same picture.
Come on. It's the same thing.
Is this beasts of Bayamoth or sons of Bayamoth. They're big giants. That's crazy.
I mean it's not the craziest law but it is enjoyable.
Yeah, that's fine. I have no reference.
Even like in their lore like they're described as like when a hurricane shows up.
It's like it's not terribly narratively important but you have to deal with that.
Do they beat chaos knights and lore.
Sometimes like oh like chaos knights like chaos.
Yeah, the.
Yeah, I'm glad they're there but even I gotta admit.
Flesh is not flesh. These are all black grave.
I hate Manfred.
Yeah, I was one of the people I hate him.
Yeah, yeah.
I am.
I, they're there. Yeah, bottom bottom will be. They're cool. I'm collecting them.
Their models are sick but we're not ranking that so.
Yeah, I'm just gonna shut up for the next part because I.
This is a palette for you surely.
Essentially the largest library of law maybe the entire world. What are they, if not the greatest of them all.
Special parties, similar to what house of though just imagine just the space marine faction alone has more law than most franchises who have entire universes.
That's what we're talking about here. It's the bad ones but it's also the good ones as well.
And that's that's got blood angels blood angels be there in separate thing but I love kicking towel diplomats through their chest.
I've been in the house in years of plot armor, but it's all good.
But it's funny sometimes sometimes it's really funny.
Yeah, I mean, there are also moments of like, right.
I like the towel.
It's also in town really annoying. So you know the candidates.
Shout out to my, my, my way shout to my iron hands.
I'm fearless overpal.
I think it's time for you to say the line that just needs more time to cook.
There's nothing else to say other than that really love stormcasts of turtles because they're what Games Workshop is trying to turn space marines into, but they don't have 20 years of proceeding lore where space marines are fighting for a decaying riding empire,
but we're trying to make them the superheroes guys know look they're good guys trust us stormcasts are just allowed to do that because they're new.
It's a shame because like so I must say you, there's a few glimpses of it in which the stormcasts, particularly like gotrex books or they there are some interesting things about them.
But as a general sense they really, they don't have the depth that lots of the space marine stories have even the ones in which they are trying to add depth to them.
I don't think they're bad early. It's just, I don't know I can't I can't get by, I don't feel like any care to what I know as someone who's seen like I watched the black talent TV show.
I know a little bit about stormcast as someone who's like tried to get into them.
I can't because it's just the fact that they are immortal, and they respawn, and you're like yes they lose their memory problem like, I don't care. That's not big enough stakes for me to actually care about any battle they're in because they're just going to respawn,
I'm like, I don't. And even when they did a story about all the characters going through a bout of amnesia. It's not like, it's like oh I forgot this one battle who I used to be and I'm like I don't care because you're still here.
I was like, when a space marine dies, he died. Honestly, I like that though because one, I get what you're saying Andy but the side effect of that is that just means a space marine is never going to die or lose.
Yeah, if they do lose. It's like the most contrived Marneus Calgar Oh he lost to the sun every time. No he didn't.
He lost to the sun mutilated by Huron Black, Blackheart now he's like in like a, in like a vat on to go against another space marine.
A naughty space marine. But again there are like there are the ultimate, the ultimate test is of anything in that list. If I had like what would I be more interesting, or what we're more interested in hearing a story about was it stormcast or carriage and
stormcast, or like, you know, night on or anything like that. And where like it puts me the list. I can't put it even in, like, at the end of C tier because I think even then I would like more willing to listen to a carriage and you
know, a Calgar Bear reader because he is so much fun. I saw I saw the animation about him and I really enjoyed that way just destroys an entire orc encampment by being cocky and just be like, I'll bet this lost.
Let me win sigma. It's not about the model range at all like only just like if I, it's just the law and there was never a model about it.
So I think it's like, I think it's like the most like, like you have the most insight into this faction, genuinely where do you think we should put at least top of be genuinely, they like there is interesting stuff there over angel there.
It's incredibly cool. You get to see both returned old characters like good old Balthasar gelt discovering who he was, you get new characters like Hamilcar, their overall faction lore is something that at the time was pretty new for Warhammer which is just an
interesting thing. And I think that's the thing about the Dark Angel is that they have the power to go toe to toe with chaos, not the gods obviously but chaos like big chaos warriors and win, as opposed to space marines who go back.
Between dark angels and Death Guard, so I can't in my heart heart say they're more interesting than dark angels. I can't say I'm so much more. I love like at least I got something something they got some, you know, and the fact that Felix is not currently if
Felix is in a storm car suit right now. I'm with you. Are you a stronger soldier. I'll follow you. Why do you have blouse sleeves.
I'm trying. I'll see you chat heard my beeping aggressive beeping when I went calling gets angry.
I'm coming back up I tried. I love what else I love what else I don't know any other sigma.
I L'Oreal, she sure is there is really laughing. I L'Oreal said some cool character development I don't know if she's above a stormcast if the silver I'm going to riot.
I mean was she did though it wasn't the life wave thing. Yeah, and then did the gashes. So people randomly get random different realms. No, that's just that's that's because the realm of the realms and towards the end, the edges are wacky.
I mean, I'm going to L'Oreal double right next to the fire slayers because that's just above the fire slayer. Okay, it's not bad, but it's not good.
Good. How, how, how I love to.
Oh, you like your turn to fight a possible time. I mean, if we're being real. They probably should go around where the elder are because their old lore is so good, and their new lore is so bad.
I don't know what else to tell you what's your problem with the new law.
I mean, they're just a completely different faction. I mean, not completely different but they're so different there. Their entire look and range is different. No one cares about the alien conglomerate anymore.
We're just here for freaking storm surges and riptides and big and big max. They have not they have not been the covenant for a while.
Whereas, yeah, I do like far side but a lot of people also don't like those books, because the old doors for like the ethereals were sketchy and very mysterious but they not every single frickin moment of a towel book was oh the ethereals are super
evil and this empire is just as bad as the Imperium and no no any better.
They have a dark angels problem where they have one problem they they fix it on so much.
Because they did start as this great as this really cool edition 40k as this kind of like bright hopeful alien race that was bringing aliens together to fight together, and they were still dark because it was, they were the small fish and the, you know, yeah,
you know, nothing there was nothing bigger than a broadside battle suit, and they were very alien looking. But as they evolved. Now they're kind of just the anime mech faction, and they have a dark side to them.
And they're really no, they're barely any better than the Imperium, they just look nicer and I've cleaner tanks like far side also.
You go ahead. Sorry, I was just gonna say that like, they could have had the potential of like, we're increasing our technology so rapidly, we could on an even footing, like best the Imperium, but because we're so far behind we never will catch up and that could
be their things like overwhelmingly winning battles but it doesn't matter because we're just going to get drowned in astral military and guardsman.
That's kind of that thing. Okay, rarest peppy in the chat says they have their own God which is also a horrible point. I think I might need to go grab a soda to take care of that. I did.
But as cool as far side is. He's also getting to a point where he's got like the Primark problem, where there could be a really cool tau character genuinely super well written interesting good to see, but someone said far side, and now no one cares because far side is here
hog stealing the attention.
Yes, yeah, I love far side though I do love them. I do like them, but it's all yeah there's there are a lot of cool tau characters that just don't get talked about cases a student appears hide and he's in 10 pages and war of secrets and
fire warrior is a really funny lore event.
Fire warriors, fire warriors, they were saying people are, and people are still having a go at me because there's two different cases, and the two different characters and be like, oh, why didn't you put the same video I don't say give them different names please.
My heart to do. I was wondering, the chat. We're going to write those two characters at some point because you license.
Yeah, go get your get your actually says, don't you fall in the fall and unconscious to our cool, powerful put tell right by a la okay really, okay, no, but that an F to F to F to.
I'm gonna put that in FTA while I go get soda as well. Talk about. No, I can't glaze dual podcast now.
I want to glaze for 1000 sons right now though, because I promise you.
I mean books. I mean, I'll glaze it to chat Ironman books, absolutely win. They're pretty good, although if you get past, if you get to put book four and five, you've gone too far, don't don't have to read them, because they literally the whole point of those two books basically say,
yeah, the last two things that happened didn't happen, and we went back in time.
I love that part.
Looks and aesthetics is always cool delving with magic is interesting.
Just as like that things in the stories when they show up they are interesting.
What's one like adversaries and all the things that general look of like their designs pretty damn cool as well, interacting with Zinchi and stuff is not too heavy handed it's not literally like.
You know, no cool showed up and he bless people directly these bit more cunning like stuff. I do hate the Magnus stuff. I'm on the light.
I'm Ryan Magnus I am one man says biggest haters I
think we will come under Magnus. One one thing I would say is we've just talked about towel having a fast site problem 1000 sons have an arm and problem, we have another character that isn't our. I like, I like Cion, I like Cion in the Black
Legion he's cool. He's in two Black Legion books we haven't got a third where is the third book.
It's so tragic that I feel so bad like you're reading all their horrors heresy books you just like damn man like all the cool guys just get killed and like when they die some horrific death is so damn sad.
I love when my opponent puts down a red land, put down a soul ring which gives them to. And then next turn he puts down a land and then from turn three onward Magnus cheapens all sorcery so there's 5 million sorceries getting played.
And then he goes on every time he attacks, and he flies so I can't block them, because I'm playing tyrannids, and it's red green blue 1000 sons, I think are just red blue, because someone saw the TTS joke and made that how the 1000 sons actually play.
Turn soul into the soul. I got I did get first turn soul ring to scoop. I just actually maxed it nothing wrong. Appreciate that boys. Thank you for Eli's painting right now is crazy. You came last in the painting tier list bro Wow.
I hate crime, I did not come last in the painting to this is that what you just said. I will say though, I guess, objectively 1000 sons law. I'm going to put it at the top of B, because I think that's fine.
It's really like, it's good, it's not great. But it's really good. And I think, a is like, there's something about each of those factions and a, there's a little thing which like that's like a really cool great thing.
It's just a. Yeah, I like all the things. It was not my favorite meal. How does it, how do you justify airman losing to your brain.
I would say what really grinds my gears about this faction, particularly with the foot with the law, whenever they go, I'm, I'm dipping into the third enumeration and the fifth enumeration, but I'm going into the use of this jargon I'm like, could you shut up and did anyone else just get the most intense deja vu.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a. I have an interview with Graham and Neil coming out tomorrow shout quick plug there, but I actually asked him about, like, there's a question talking about.
He was wanting to turn. I said I asked him like, well, if they want to see it, they can go check out tomorrow but I was asking about how you turn the thousands of sons and what is essentially was like goofy space wizards into like a legion is mentioning how like they had to be incorporating
their magic into essentially what was like for like proper military combat, and to show that they were essentially above the rest. I did get, I did get Graham McNeil to answer a question. When I said, all the legions one v one who would win, and you have to see what he said about that.
But that was a pretty cool thing I also asked him if Magnus did nothing wrong, and he's, he's he settled in. Yeah, I, again I love I do like 1000 sounds a lot I do glaze, pretty hard for them.
Quantum Kabooloo. Yes, I do know review will have either exists, but he doesn't have any law anymore because he's, he's basically a white scar orphan.
So cool. He's gone now.
Hang on, I'll read it.
Oh, maybe I don't want to read that.
Jesus, let's hear it. Let's hear it.
How straight good into the corpse of Helen Keller. Oh my gosh man, she says, Christ. Oh my gosh.
I'm moving swiftly on.
I don't know who that is.
Like, bottom of B, because their Lord, they will never have a character, they'll never have like, step, yeah, low elder, but at the same time like tear did show up it's it's fun.
Yeah, they have cool.
So I'm Lord is really cool. I always got a little bit. They're cool. They're not called one I am maybe top of see.
I'm fine.
They lose every major conflicts they win because a lot convenience. So yeah, that's great. Unless the community gets to vote on it and then they win.
When they had like, what was it, the Leviathan planet. Yeah, I don't know what it was called. Who cares. Yeah, but this is not a Craig or something. Yeah, it's oh no the Imperium lost a world.
Thank you as I always love the oh no thank you was in chat from how broke because you say the most diabolical stop getting horrid things every week for nearly a year.
don't have load eaters.
no, okay, they're not.
They have to have corn.
This is one of these two.
The horrors here is damn cool.
My name is Con or something.
How can you put the nails in your brain?
I want it to be like that.
Well, I'm sorry everyone.
I love them.
Love both my dad.
I've got two.
But if either of them told me to put nails in my head, I wouldn't do it.
I'm ready.
I know.
Oh no, if we stop hitting each other and being so degenerate, we would stop making it look like that.
That would kill us. Some of it's brain, some of it's all the same. It's the angels in green.
There are fun characters there. I like the Fabius Bile lieutenant who's a world eater
apothecary. I like the world eater Firefist who's in the Black Legion who hates being called
Firefist because he used to carry around a plasma cannon. It blew up in his hands during the siege
of Tarot. He couldn't fight. He's like, don't call me Firefist. And it's like, yeah, they have fun
characters. They're not always just frothing at the mouth. They are fun. I'd like to give
two things. One, I like Scrawl from Bad. Scrawl is fun. Because he's funny. Yeah.
Because everyone else is doing plot stuff and he's just stuck on this panel. Their aesthetic is,
like that artwork there, their aesthetic is so damn cool as well. It's one of the most recognizable
parts about Warhammer. Yeah. And generally super sad and depressing, like a lot of their horrors,
heresy stuff is quite, they are in and they feature in some of the better books in the entire series.
You can't knock that. Their 40k stuff, not super strong compared to their 30k stuff. But
I just like the fact, I just love the fact that when you have world eaters or you're literally
talking about them, it's lit. Like it's a whole meme of like, literally just like anything you
have to say to me, Conor, I literally was yell at you and like attack you. I was about to say,
I would like to announce Total Collin Victory that I have got Hal, the Ember King, who I would say
has the most like elegant channel we all have, down to my baby mad of... I'm allowed to like it.
The guy, the Rothcary that works with Fabius, he's really cool too, the world eater.
Yeah, and Andrew Carr is cool. He's the Black Shield who's like, I'm leading a war band and
there's points in the book where some of his band are like, I'm going to defect and he just like goes
anyone else want to... No, fine. And he like, he holds them in line through violence. You're like,
anytime a world eater is involved, it's usually a fun extra little spice to the setting.
I think they deserve A tier.
They are really held back by their 40k lack of characters.
And it's all bad in 40k though. Still plenty good 40k.
Maybe...
It's so fun in 40k because everyone else is just like, oh, that's Karn, we're going to die.
They do hit the fun plot quite... Maybe bottom of A.
Yeah, like Kibanda's my shlong to say in the chat, everyone knows Blood for the Blood God.
Yeah.
Every freaking person.
And if that, like kill, main, burn.
Yeah. Like that goes hard. That goes freaking hard.
You'll hear armies chanting that one.
I want to let the galaxy burn.
And I love how like there's that story where a demon summons Karn to basically harass
Asriel in one of his like mini books. And then Asriel is like, oh God, it's Karn.
And then he escapes and then the demon's like, ah, well...
And he's like, I'm going to trap you with Karn in the ship as I escape. And he's like,
so I didn't like, I hope I didn't like cause you too much trouble Karn by summoning you to
this random ship in the middle of nowhere. He's like, crack snuckles. They are. I love like that.
He just like appears and he's just a menace anytime he's around. It's like, that's always fun.
He just, he's just like a wrench in the gears in any story he's in. And usually even the black
crusades is like, Karn's here. Oh God. All right. Get away from him. Let him do his own thing.
That's kind of a charm to that.
He's like, just an occupational hazard. You might have to deal with in a battlefield.
It's like, oh, Karn's here. We need to work around that area.
Yeah. He's a force of nature. You've got to avoid. You can't beat him to say, oh no.
DJ Beat has glop shit. Ho tier list. When? True.
That's a sorority.
I like him.
I do like him.
I honestly think they're in some ways like the ultimate embodiment of the
Imperium more so than the guard because it's just that pure
unrelenting faith in the God Emperor.
There's the, I'll make Colin read this book one day.
It's the Yarick is when Yarick is like young.
And there's a character called Seth and I, who then appears later in the
War of Armageddon book that Yarick features in and is a sister of battle who essentially she,
her order is destroyed. She has to wear like the dawn, like gray robes. So she's orderless,
but she's still a sister of battle. And it's one of the most like hardcore,
like crazy scenes I've ever seen in Warhammer in which they're trying to stall a gas,
a gas calls like massive hordes on Armageddon. And she essentially is like,
you know, they're in the middle of like a hive city, there's billions of people and they're
evacuating out all civilians. And they're like, we need to delay them in here. She's like,
I've got this. She runs to the prison and they have like this prison loader thing up.
And they just keep bringing up like, like literally, I don't know, like a conveyor
belt of prisoners. She just chants like, like full screaming. And like she did, she tells them
before, like, you can find redemption in the Emperor if you follow me. And she like full on
blaring five, I assume probably an entire day was yelling and sending in hordes, a conveyor belt of
like meat and prisoners against an oncoming or cord. And it was to the point where she inspired
such ridiculous, like zeal and fury that the fact the orc menace had actually like stopped briefly
for a moment, whilst the clog of meat and humans were equally fighting against the orcs because
they were so inspired by like a sister of battle. So we need to make a wall of man paste chuck them
into the meat grinder. It's a crazy part of the book is like a one weird side character guy,
he basically goes like, he literally his whole arc for like a few pages, like notice me, senpai,
because he's begging for her to like see him see him in his religious zeal as a massive orc mech
like clamps him in half and then he splits into is ridiculous. I love it. And every time Yarek sees
he's like he literally grows like every time she's around this, she could have an enormous battle.
That's the only time I've ever seen things like oh, no. But yeah, they have some crazy
characters. And things like the Book of Martyrs are fun, because like all three characters is
called the Book of Martyrs because they all die and just one of them bludgeons a tower of fear
over death with their bare hands when she's captured. Good fun. Just just the so zealous.
It's fun because that's their whole gimmick. But it's it's a good gimmick.
I will put them below dark L docs. I still have something about this is our top of S tier
sisters are top of S tier. No, no, no, no. They are the perfect warhammer 40k faction. They're
cooler than space marines. They're cooler than guard. They fit perfectly into the setting.
They're the picture perfect image of the entire Imperium of my I've got to I've got to be fair.
If we're going to put the ogres here just because they do what they do exceptionally well, surely
we've got to put them above the ogre. That's fair. You know, I'm just saying they are the perfect
warhammer faction. They're not bad in scavenging. I was going to say if we put the ogres for that
thing, they can go there for that thing. I think that makes sense. I need you guys to read that
Yarek books by the way. Yeah, I will. Amazing. I will break your precious states laws and release
a horde of rats into your house. jeans dealer cult. I love my beloved. I mean, Eli might be
the strongest soldier for this. I only don't think they often they are a bit too often used as like
the generic bad guys and a lot of other things. So they kind of lose their sparkle a lot of time.
Dude, they are interesting though. Like there's obviously like cool and tyrannids if you ask me,
the aspect of like them basically being a human infection in some way is quite fascinating.
The book they have which Eli, which one is it? It's Day of Ascension. Day of Ascension. Yeah,
they got some pretty good. They have they have not many solo books, but they once they do have are
good. I don't know if they gimmick is stronger than you know, being fair, I will say top of B
is more interesting than 1000 sons for a lot of people. I love one of the Warhammer TV bolt
hammer and bolter episodes where it's like this this planet is being besieged and they're evacuating
and there's this family trying to evacuate. And the whole thing is following them trying to escape.
And there's a bit at the end where the commissar is like, hey, and the military and there's this
military officer trying to help them on the last ship. And he's like, they don't have permits. We
haven't checked them. And you hate this commissar. And then at the end of the episode, it's like,
oh, they've escaped. And they've got the baby. And it turns out the babies are tyrannid.
And they've all got these head things. And it's like, oh, you tricked me.
Genes Sealer cults are one of like the prime examples of why the Imperium has to function
the way it does or it will die. And that the oppression is actually a good thing.
Well, the thing is, you go through the whole episode going, oh, that commissar was a dick.
Oh, I hate them. And then you like, oh, that guy sacrificed himself. And then they're on the shuttle.
And then you go, oh, no, actually, I'm with the commissar. Actually,
he was trying to do the right thing in a weird way.
And what they don't show you is the hundred examples where they just shot a random child needlessly
for fun.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
But that's what you do.
They do not need to do that. You are out of.
They do not know. Because listen, if one if the one time that it's that they miss the right one,
they trillions people are dead. One planet is gone. Trillions of people.
How many games workshop authors need to say the Imperium is needlessly cruel
before it someone finally gets it in their eye?
I do love the other animation with the salamander guy on it. And it's like, oh,
I've got to save this this bunch of survivors off this planet.
And they all run off and you don't see them for the rest of the episode.
And the last shot is this one little girl walking through the woods as the Asimilitar
are combing through it. And she's like, oh, and then she gets shot.
And you're like, well, how amazing.
No, I mean, they're good for what they do, but it is completely necessary.
She tells me just says that because they made them look too cool.
And now they have to go back on the things that they do.
It's very clear in the war that if the Imperium didn't do what they did,
chaos cults and gene cellar cults would just take over the entire
entirety of the year because the emperor didn't tell the primaries about so bad.
It's the emperor's fault. That's why those castles arise
because it sucks in the Imperium so bad that they go to hell.
Well, if the emperor told the primaries about chaos, none of this would have happened.
No, it would have just been a shit empire.
I think they're for the same way.
We have to we have to make sure we do the distinction ogres and ogres, isn't it?
I put the ogres behind the reigns.
Ogre kingdoms and fancy is better.
Next one is chaos.
This one is actually much more interesting than do you do you like
power armor and warhammer? You have them to thank for it.
They are like they're fancy.
The story of Archeon, they array of like many different like undivided characters.
They're much more like they're way like way more fleshed out compared to a lot of other things.
I generally like I enjoy chaos undivided a lot in fantasy more so compared to 40k.
So I would I'm happy with them being there.
I maybe I don't know if they're more enjoyable than ogre kingdoms, but as a gimmick.
I mean, Colin, whenever I see.
I just got to say whenever I see artwork like this, they just went into like a kinky S&M
shop and they're like, what do you want to say?
I want all of it.
Give me the shop.
They're just evil and they don't try and justify it and it's beautiful.
And then they expand into why they're evil because they live in a frozen hell hole right
next to actual hell.
What is great? Everyone should have hell.
I'd be evil, too, if I was born in Norsca.
Oh, Vermintide Lady.
Lambo.
What else?
Some held our slogan.
I'm not aware of.
There's something to them, but I don't know.
Again, like maybe put them above this.
Put them above the stormcast.
They are more interesting than the stormcast.
That's reasonable. I think every fantasy.
Yeah, I mean, like the words of Athel Loren is an interesting part of it.
Is there any Sigmar factions that are better than their fantasy counterparts, Colin?
Flesh Eaters Courts is better than the version of Ghouls in...
Yeah, yeah.
Ghouls aren't really a faction as much.
And if they're meant to be Bretonnia, then Colin would definitely say they're better than Bretonnia.
Yeah, absolutely.
Uh-huh.
Kind of not really, though.
Don't even think about that.
Bretonnia. I love Bretonnia.
F-tier. F-tier.
They are not F-tier.
You can't.
Let's look at the Empire of Man.
The dynamic, constantly changing civilization that is surely based off of the Holy Roman Empire, but actually quite a bit of legwork done into it.
Let's go to Bretonnia. Hey, you like King Arthur? All right, I'm with you. What else do you got for me? What do you mean, what else do I have for you?
You like King Arthur? Is that it? Yeah.
Yeah.
Are they cooler than the Mechanicus?
Like the power of fate lady they can achieve.
They are not cooler than the Mechanicus.
Okay, are they cooler than the Nightingale F-tier?
The fact that they are... I can't even see the F-tier right now is driving me insane.
They are the War of Fantasy faction. They are A-tier. Oh my God.
I'm pretty sure Colin likes them as much as Skaven anyway.
You will get the rat package.
In all fairness, I'd even say, I feel the same way about them. As strongly as I feel for Tyranids. I'm like, ah, cool, it showed up. But I would never, I wouldn't really buy a book about it. I wouldn't...
I should be fair, they do have more personality than a Tyranid. Come on. They aren't being unfair. Maybe the characters are cool. Unfortunately, I hate that personality.
They're just old characters.
Alright, it's commitment and stormcast, right? Yeah.
Colin, you have to admit it. You have to admit it.
I don't have to admit shit.
Alright, hold on. Colin, Colin, are they better than Dark Angels? Here's the litmus test.
No!
Oh. He wants the flint and empty.
I don't like that!
You're not an Aplorian boy.
Dude literally studied history, loves history, and then immediately hates the most medieval faction there is.
Yeah, because every other, like, everything else, when they base it off history, they at least do something with it. With the exception of Araby, which is just Sultan Jafar.
What do you mean? Empire is probably Roman Empire.
Yeah, but one, it actually is holy. Two, it's actually an empire.
It's Dean Tanks.
There's actually interesting stuff in it. Not just, hey guys, look, King Arthur.
They cannot be F-tier. F-tier is no more. F-tier is League of O-Tampereau. They cannot be F-tier.
He's getting baby mad.
I am getting baby mad. I've been perpetual baby mad for the last 20 minutes.
Alright, Beastman.
Beastman. I'd like, are you liking the Beastman?
Beastman taking a single W and the-
I love Beastman, but they're F-tier Beastman.
They got retconned out of a game twice. They got Old Worlded, just got destroyed, and then they got removed from Age of Sigmar.
Okay, you're gonna apologize when the Beastman show up and when Kazzrak One-Eye shows up and he's at Thanksgiving, you're gonna apologize, okay?
I'm not gonna apologize because I, me, would probably win in a book if Beastman were involved.
Top of D. Top of D. Top of D. Come on.
Yeah, I think D-tier is, they have characters instead.
They have them.
Kazzrak, Kazzrak, does Kazzrak even, oh, he doesn't beat Boris, does Boris kill him?
No, Boris kills him and then all the beastmen around Boris rip him apart because he walked into a Beastman camp to do that.
Oh, Chaos Dwarves.
Chaos Dwarves.
They're cool. They're funny.
I know the general lore and I like them.
They're there. They're Iron Warrior Dwarves.
Yeah, I guess.
I mean, top of D I could go with.
They're above tier in its.
Yeah, but I don't know if I could put them into B.
Their overarching lore is pretty damn cool.
As for Cetra.
Maybe that's lower than it should be, but I can't, I don't know if I want to put them in B.
We can't justify putting any higher, so well, well. Tomb King's pretty cool, right?
Oh, come on. Yes.
Yeah, I like Tomb Kings.
I put them above Sororitas, I don't know, just below Sororitas, above Warriors of Chaos.
Just below Skynet.
You can argue that.
I am Cetra's strongest soldier.
Really?
I know, but Cetra's like the one that carries it so strongly though. I don't know.
Here's a compromise. Should we put them next to Necrons? Because they're basically the same thing, just in different settings.
Yeah, but Necrons just have so much more lore because they are 40k.
True.
Maybe Cetra, as long as it's Cetra's silos, Emotec. I don't think Cetra.
That's crazy, bro.
Oh, dude, he's so right, he's so true.
That's crazy.
Trancel is finally cooking.
I think maybe he could fight a Tomb Guard.
Like that's his level.
Next one, Patsy Orks.
I love Grimgor, and I love you Grimgor.
I like Warzak, because he dances.
All their characters are actually really fun, and really have a lot of personality.
Skarsnik also is actually a pretty cool character.
I've done it again.
Really cool.
HL wants you to find the difference. Same picture.
They're slightly different.
Grimgor doesn't have a gun.
I put them by the 40k ones, but they have a few more interesting characters.
Shout out to Old Orc lore, where you could have half orcs.
Fantasy High Elves.
Honestly, all the fantasy factions are S tier.
I can't believe I'm an S tier, honestly.
I'm going to go with A tier.
I would go with A tier.
Haters. Freaking haters.
I like this tier list placement brought to you by the dwarfs.
I like Tyrion, I don't like Teclis.
Come August, we're going to have some choice fucking warlords.
What does that mean?
Teclis is a little bit like...
He pushed up his glass, and he's like, oh, I'm so interesting.
I don't think he's as interesting as other characters.
He's not just about the characters, though.
They have a lot more that is Teclis and Tyrion.
I'll throw in the Grimgor more interesting than Teclis to me.
Just because it reminds me. It's a bit more hardcore.
They've got witch hunters.
Who's the non-human faction with an inquisition?
I'll be honest, I'm looking for a Dwarfendal type elf in the High Elves.
That's what I'm more drawn towards.
I'm not the scholar type necessarily.
But this is one character. Why is one character keeping the mind of S tier?
Why is Teclis the one syncing it for you?
There are other parts of it which I don't...
If there's a Warlord family story, say there's no book,
I wouldn't be that gassed if they were like, we're going to set it on Ulthuan.
Or Paz, or dealing with High Elves stuff.
I want to see Skaven stuff. I want to see Orc stuff.
I want Warlord's The Empire of Man way more.
I'd actually be excited for that.
If it was set, if I had a range of things, it would come into place to some of the other things.
I'd want to see it in the fantasy.
Not that it's bad, it's just very much...
Other things are just way better.
So you're like, ah.
Way better?
Way better is a strong way to put it.
I think we should never have another Tearless.
Because I'm just going to fight with everyone.
That's all I've learned with today.
It does come with personal taste things.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
This is for Andy. I don't fight with Andy.
Who do we want right now for the High Elves? Why is Hal with them?
Colin, don't worry. We're going to make it all better, right?
He's there, I see him.
Half friends.
Do not say that, Hal.
Get him up there. You are insane!
Where am I supposed to put him?
That wasn't directed at you.
Must be at the Space Marines.
You put the High Elves below the Ogres!
That's crazy!
You didn't tell me where to put it!
Colin and I are robbed in every Tearless, dude.
You didn't tell me!
I'll put them here. Is that better?
Should we put a poll for people like Ogre Kingdoms versus High Elves?
We're not putting that poll, because our chat hates Elves.
No, please!
I thought you were going to say, our chat hates us.
Also, it's arguing for Colin, so they're going to vote against Colin.
Andy, put the poll! I swear to Boingold, please put the poll!
You know what, Beelzebub won the last... Beelzebub won the versus, that's all I care about.
Alright, I have to open a new window.
So hold on, is Empire fine where it is, or do you want it higher?
It's in S tier.
The Empire has so much lore.
Let me just pop a survey.
The Empire is generally the most interesting part.
I think, for good reason.
Damn good stories. Godric and Phoenix is technically an Empire story in some way.
Yeah, maybe!
I mean, Godric and Phoenix is an old faction, I would carry that.
Where are we going?
I think they should be above Orcs. They should be above both the Orcs.
Orcs?
In my opinion.
He's going to do it again.
I was going to say, would you be willing to put it above Space Marines?
Me? Yes.
But Andy's...
Not me.
I don't know if I'll do that to Andy.
I'm just saying, I understand that they're cool, but like, this is literally the biggest...
This alone is more than most franchises ever get in their entire tenure.
I do feel good about the list though. I feel like everything is in a good spot.
Alright, how, what was the poll you wanted?
High L, versus OVT.
This poll is rigged. We're not going to win this poll.
High L versus OVT.
If I'm wrong, I'll just say I'm wrong about it.
Why are Ogres better than High Elves?
Because there's more hidden.
What? What do you mean? They're way more interesting!
They're lower in their fat and they eat food!
And they worship a hole in the ground!
Exactly!
It's split in the middle. It's split straight down the middle with 12 votes already.
Nothing but Ws!
They take the Ws because they've got like three lore events!
It's great, but it doesn't make them better! Oh my gosh!
Oh wow, it's so close.
I'm going to leave that. We're going to get back to the serious questions.
There's a few things about High Elves that is just generic and boring though.
Okay yeah, but then they have ten other things that are interesting and unique!
Even as a fan of Space Marines, Space Marines are kind of generic and boring at a certain point, but I feel like them.
Alright, let's take a second.
Take a breath.
I may be wrong about it.
I love the Imperial Man!
Let's all unite around our shared hatred of Manfred Von West.
I love vampires!
Manfred.
Manfred VAD.
I love vampires.
They didn't miss with a single vampire character.
That includes me.
I don't want to put it at the bottom of...
Maybe just below Depth of Sorority, it's generally the one of the most interesting things about fantasy to me.
Not Manfred specifically, but I do generally...
One of the first things I was learning about Warhammer lore was...
I was listening to very early lore videos about it and vampire accounts.
Before Total War of Warhammer came out, I was listening to vampire accounts and I was like, damn this stuff is so cool!
Because when that trailer dropped for Total War of Warhammer 1, and Manfred, who I didn't know was Manfred at the time, he dropped down on the zombie dragon.
I was like, oh man, they got vampires in World of Fantasy!
Yeah, vampire dragons!
I just... Vampire of War, Vlad, all that good stuff.
Oh, the true phoenix king.
My ass or nationalism is acting up.
We have the birth certificates, he's the true phoenix king.
Malekith is a really cool character and I like him a lot.
I do, however, also think the Warhammer world would be infinitely better if someone kicked him in the ribs as a child.
They also have Malus Darkblade and Lokir Felheart and all the other gods.
Lokir Felheart is not on the same level as Malus Darkblade.
He's cool, he's a cool thing that they have. That's all I'm saying, he's not on the same level.
I guess the level of he's a cool thing by that metric, the ogres, let's bring him back up here.
Malus Darkblade alone has like three books, right?
I may be, as well as I'm slightly biased because I may be buying the ogre spearhead.
Olsby, Ogres, Double S tier.
I've got my eye on that for Christmas this time.
Dark Elves are less tradition.
I like them more than Skaven, but that's not going to apply, so that's okay.
Tip in Hal, I have no point of reference.
I mean, again, so much of it is cool.
Malus Darkblade, as we said earlier, is pretty damn cool.
Storybooks, general faction aesthetic is amazing.
They don't really have anything that sucks in the entire faction at all.
Everything is kind of a W.
I think maybe bottom of S-Tier is probably the perfect place to put it.
But Hal's suck, bro. Hal's are the worst, bro. I hate Hales.
I didn't say I hate Hales, I just said I didn't think it was S-Tier.
Send this man to the flame of Assyria and burn forever.
Honestly, I made the Ogre Kingdom a stronger soldier.
Sorry, Colin, where do you...
Because this is the last one, where do you think they should live?
I'm content with them somewhere in S-Tier.
I'd put them above Warriors of Chaos, because the characters
mostly definitely have a lot more going on there.
Did we have Norska on there?
Did they even put a Rune King in S-Tier?
We didn't have Norska, did we?
No, Norska's not in the actual army, though, I guess that's why.
In the Emperor's Children, oh my god.
Which, by the way, the Emperor's Children shoulder pads reveal
is not looking good. But, you know, it's okay.
I think it's alright.
They look like they were taken straight off of my mini factory, bro.
I could find that STL on the internet for free.
Oh my.
Alright, doesn't matter.
Remember when we thought we weren't going to have enough time
for a full thing with just this?
Yeah, we have enough material.
We're not going to have time for that.
We should read through the donations.
Yeah, I was going to say, we'll go through the donations,
and then we'll see what the poll was in the end.
So let me just put that back.
I imagine the corn stuff is pretty down-coding.
They did well with the corn release,
World Eaters release as well.
My purple, I can't really see it, but my purple was...
Purple corn.
Very nice.
So we've got a few donations to cap off the show.
So starting off, we've got Tom Warren for two bucks.
You're all going in the space book.
We've already filled volumes of the space books.
Space books are horrendous.
Jo gave us two.
The first one was, I was there when Horace said,
I like voicemail, and the Emperor shat himself.
I was there when Horace said,
Hal, looking like human Mr. Rats, did the gritty.
Horace speak here.
You guys want to read a few of them?
Sure.
Donkeyman USA.
Speaking of rats, I finished my Queek slash World Leader kit.
Huge, absolutely huge.
John Hudson with the five.
I want to replace the TauCast with the Skaven or Magnum Exilius.
So true.
I have a nice quad.
Not going to happen.
Beastmen aren't really Skaven.
They're the weird thing.
They used to be though.
This is Mr. Fantasy fan here.
Beastman from Sweden, 100SK.
Can't wait for future Stormcast book.
We're at the inevitable last stand after a touching scene about brotherhood and battle.
The next thing they hear is lightning screaming, I am supreme.
Gelt is here.
Everything is Gelt.
You can never escape Gelt.
I love Gelt.
You know what?
If I hear randomly the Stormcast thing where it's like, is to go even further beyond.
Super Saiyan Stormcast, Sigma Rite.
This mighty shlong of sickness is still the best I've ever heard.
People who know nothing about Warhammer know blood for the blood.
That's very true.
Document USA for five bucks.
Need a law crime supercar of everything heinous Hal has ever said.
You were there to witness it.
John Apocalypse for two pounds says AOS ogres are better because of the winter curse.
They're better because of the massive hurricane winter.
But they don't have the big hole in the ground.
Yeah, it's not the same.
I like the great models.
Their models are so familiar.
Mr. Mealove again for the 2BGN.
Mr. Hand is butt hurt about Bretonnia.
You know, some of you in the chat, H. Mealove, thank you.
I'm going to call your family and say the words you say in our chat to them.
Just tell me the reaction.
Your employer perhaps.
Your college professor.
Just say these words.
See what happens.
I guess I got it.
Sorry.
I was going to say Tom Moran donated usi.
Why would you ever say that?
You put it on the thumbnail.
Because I knew people would click on it.
Anyway, Tom Moran donated two bucks.
The Empire is the only faction with the Warhammer.
That's true.
They have the IP.
New Zealand?
That's crazy.
Five New Zealand Bugs.
I keep forgetting I'm watching this live because I'm used to not being able to talk about your terrible opinion.
Warhammer is different for everyone though.
We all feel differently.
Angry Monk has two pounds.
Can you guys add Trench Crusade factions?
I mean, it's common to them.
I've heard good things about it.
Maybe one day when we get further in, we may have Trench Crusade channels.
Who knows?
I'm still a bit miffed that Napoleon Dynamite interviewed or is doing a documentary about Trench Crusade.
There's a photo of him on Twitter the last week or so.
He's stood next to him.
He's like, yeah, I'm doing a miniature Wargaming documentary.
Here's the Trench Crusade guy.
Vote for Pedro Cantor.
Amazing.
The results are in from the poll.
52% elves.
God bless you.
God bless you all.
So close.
That's closer than for Comfort, isn't it?
That's crazy.
41% banned.
58% not 52%.
I would say some people probably vote for Ogre's just to spite the beauty.
That's what I thought all the vote would be.
The thing was, as soon as I pressed it, about a second later, it was like 15 votes and it was neck and neck, 50-50.
I was like, wow, this is good.
This is a big day.
Crazy.
But yeah, I will say we won't have time for the second tier list.
We were going to talk about zombie games and ranking them, but I will just say there's like 60 options here.
So we're definitely going to run.
But another time maybe.
Yeah.
Thank you, everyone who donated as well, particularly.
Thanks so much.
Again, if everyone wants to grab merchandise for Christmas, go ahead.
We've got plenty of things to really repel all of the people in your life.
I appreciate it.
Again, thank you so much for listening, for watching.
If you made it this far, obviously, please like.
We are off some of this online stuff as well.
Spotify.
I'm pretty sure I was saying that too.
I think we did this to Warpst.
Oops.
Sorry, I interrupted out.
I think every Warhammer faction is cool and it's okay to like whatever Warhammer faction you like.
Even leagues of Otana, maybe.
I would like to double down on that statement.
However, I will add, I will still make fun of you if you pick a faction I don't like.
I respect your right to choose.
We need a versus episode where we bring in Arthur Bones to defend leagues of Otana versus anything else.
4v1.
I could do leagues of Otana versus agents of the Imperium and I'll just...
I was defending them a bit.
They're the only faction that I just don't really care about, though.
I like every other faction a lot.
Maybe them and Custodes.
Everything else.
I have a lot of hateful things to say about that.
Did we miss Space Rules?
Maybe there's a few we missed.
But we can't anymore.
But thank you everyone for making it this far in.
Obviously, like, subscribe, all that good stuff.
We appreciate you all.
Love you all.
Thank you for the heinous comments as usual.
Appreciate it.
Down in the next stream to watch me get baby mad again.
It's my only source of winning an argument.
It's funny though.
Thank you for helping us trigger Colin a little bit.
Pulling him on the high elves, particularly as well.
His bias knows no bounds.
We'll see you all very soon though with some more lore, more good stuff, and we'll catch you on the next one.
Peace.
Bye everyone.
Bye bye.
See you next time.
Bye.