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The Chaos Knight or the Monolith?
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It has to be the Monolith.
Put it on Magnus's wings.
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I'm excited.
Oh, dude, speaking of, I've got huge news.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, here it is.
This is big.
We will describe it for the audio listeners here.
There's a puppy on the stream.
I've never done this.
Puppy.
Stream gets to name this dog.
No, his name is Bucky.
He's already named.
I tried.
No one wanted to call it Rick.
I've been trying to convince Adrian that if we get a dog or a cat, we should name it Plops
because my friend demanded that we name our firstborn child Plops, but we're not going
to do that.
So maybe in his honor, we can name an animal.
We need a puppy thing.
Cute puppy.
I need to get a cat.
We need a house puppy.
Your dog's probably pretty big now.
Yeah.
Welcome, everyone.
Today is another episode of We're Finally Torturing Colin with More Great Crusade.
It's been a while.
It has.
I've had freedom for a while.
He's been dragged ankle first through more Space Marine on Space Marine lore that he
can possibly take.
And after this, it's into the ocean of Horus Heresy.
And then we've never gone to the actual 50 book series yet.
Yeah, this has been the lake of the Great Crusade, and then we've got the ocean.
The Great Crusade is nice because it's a lot of just Imperial Army stuff.
It's not just Space Marines.
But in Horus Heresy, you get a lot less Imperial Army and a lot more Space Marines.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
In fighting.
Today is like a trifecta.
We're finishing it off though.
Last few legions, boys.
We've got Andy is doing Sons of Horus.
I am doing my boys.
The true believers, word bearers.
Eli is not doing any legion because there is no 20th legion.
They just exist.
But poor Colin.
Colin begged us previously to do Alpha Legion.
So we're giving him his wish.
Colin loves the Alpha Legion so much that he's LARPing and pretending to hate them.
Exactly.
That's what an Alpha Legion name would do.
It's all part of my plan.
And then in the third book revealed, it's not a LARP.
I do hate them.
And then the author says it was all part of fucking Andy's plan.
And he's involved in it now because this is how Alpha Legion goes.
Andy is Colin.
John Grammaticus.
We saw in the first five minutes our monetization is dead.
You'll be fine.
So before we get to the part where Horus shat himself, as they say.
Andy.
Well, if you keep doubling down again, it'll definitely get monetized.
I was there the day Horus broke.
I can't say anything.
I was there the day Horus shat himself, as a great...
So classic.
It's a classic hallow line.
The whore is heresy.
Before we get to that, before we get to people handling poop knives near Jaggedy Kahn or
anything like that.
Andy, would you like to start us off with the role of the bestest boys?
Wait, didn't...
Oh no, never mind.
I forgot the order for a minute.
So yeah, you want me to wet your appetite for the Alpha Legion to be here.
But yes, so I'll start us off with the boys once known as the Lunar Wolves.
So the 16th Legion are during the Great Crusade, basically the best Legion.
At this point in time, every Legion has their thing.
The Dark Angels were the first to go out there and cause some mayhem.
The Ultramarines are the largest Legion.
The White Scars are the coolest Legion.
But objectively speaking, the Sons of Horus, but at this point in time, the Lunar Wolves
are by and large the best, most prestigious Legion there ever was during the Great Crusade.
And there's a few reasons for this.
First of all, they benefited from having the only Primarch lead their Legion for 30 years
uncontested.
Now, I see Mr. Alpha Legionary here being like, wow, actually Horus wasn't the first
Primarch to be found.
Yeah, but according to Imperial records, and at least in terms of the Imperium didn't know
about Opharius, and we don't even know if that's technically true because it could be
a lie because it's fucking our way.
But the point is, for 30 years, there was only one Primarch on the table, and that was
Horus Luprical.
The Emperor's H-Man, favorite son, best boy.
Oh, just Emperor gets up every day, squeezes his little cheeks and goes, you're such a
good conqueror.
He's in his Optimus Prime era before his Megatron era.
Yes.
And considering that Leemon Russ was the second one to be found, it's like, oh, that's a contrast.
But Horus Luprical was actually found on a very nearby planet called Cephonia.
And when you look at the maps for the Horus, Heresy, and 40k in general, Cephonia is like
next door to Terra.
There's even accounts of a character who went on to become the third captain of the 16th
Legion, Eacton Cruz, the Half-Herd.
It's kind of messed up in terms of they had to retcon this and all that.
But Eacton Cruz was born on Cephonia, then he migrated to Terra just at the end of the
Unification Wars and was inducted into the Terran Lunar Wolves Legion.
Then they went back to Cephonia, and then they found Horus.
So he joined the Legion before Horus, even though they're from the same homeworld.
That's how close Terra and Cephonia were, and that's why Horus is the first primal to
be found.
They drew recruits, obviously, from Cephonia, which was a gang planet in a way.
It was full of crime, gang culture, the top knot that you see Avedon wear, that's a Cephonian
thing, and because of that, they incorporated a lot of gang culture and rituals into the
Legion.
I've said it before that Horus Nubicat was like Michael Corleone from the Godfather books.
He's just like, ah, you know, goes to a planet, they're going to just blow it up.
It's like, I'm going to make him an offer, he can't refuse.
And that's like Horus Nubicat.
Although that's not Michael, but you get my point.
But their intake of Terran Astartes were also gangers, so they were taken from the Deutlican
bowl and Somersetian subplate slums.
So one of the interesting things about the Sons of Horus slash Lunar Wolves is they never
really had the infighting other Legions had.
You look at the Death Guard, the Death Guard Terrans hated the Barbarans, and the Barbarans
thought the Terrans were weak.
Corvus Corax was massively racist towards Terran Astartes.
He was like, chuck them into the meat grinder, I don't trust them.
They're all tyrants, kill them, kill them, kill them.
Oh, there's still some alive, chuck them all the way over there in space where they can't
be a problem.
Like Corax was terrible.
But because the Sons of Horus- Corvus is a good man, he's never wrong.
He will cry about it later.
He will.
But because I don't know exactly how long it was, I think it was only like a couple
of years since the Great Crusade started, and then the Emperor went, oh, look, there's
Horus, fantastic.
I bet we'll find another one real soon, and then there's like 30 years of nothing.
But because they're united, all the recruits are from gang cultures and impoverished parts
of both planets.
They get on quite well.
They have the leadership of their Primarch pretty much from the onset.
So unlike, for example, the First Legion, who even though they're like the template
for all other Legions to follow, they messed up a lot before the Lion reached them.
He was like the seventh, eighth Primarch to be found.
And when he found them, he was like, right, you guys are doing bad.
Like come here, come here.
Let's sort this out.
Jagatai had to reunite his own Legion between all these disparate patrol men.
They've gone all over the galaxy as Pathfinders, so they didn't have a uniting moral code.
Anything, really?
They were just like, oh, you do this thing, and you're from this place, and you're the
... all right, cut your face, put a big scar on your face, now we're all the same.
But like, Sons of Horus never had to do that.
They were just like, we're gangers, we're the best of the best, and we've got a Primarch.
Na na na na na.
So all the other Legions.
I have a question for the Nulu.
When the White Scars first met the Sons of Horus slash Luda Walls, and they both had
top knots, was it like awkward?
Because I was like, you're not wearing that for the same reason I am.
Well, the thing is, though, if you think about it, the White Scars modeled themselves pretty
heavily after the Sons of Horus, because at this point, they're the Lunar Wolves, they're
wearing pearl white armor with black trim, and they went, that's like...
And they were the first to meet them.
When the Emperor went to Chagoras, he brought Horus and the Lunar Wolves with him, and they
looked at them and they went, ah, that's the symbol we need to aspire to.
We'll also wear white armor, but with our own red trim and gold, and it looks fancy.
But it's like, that's the imprint they had.
And again, Horus got on famously well with all the Primarchs.
That was his defining characteristic.
All of them, if they didn't love him, they respected him, whether it was Mortarion, whether
it's Pertorabo, whether it's Sanguinus, whether it's even Giliman or Regal Dawn.
Regal Dawn was one of his best buds when he started to become War Master, because he
was like, ah, he deserves it.
I'll help him be the best War Master he can be.
And because of that, the Lunar Wolves also did a lot of joint compliances with other
legions, especially when, for example, Sanguinus returned to the fold.
He got the Blood Angels.
At this point, the Blood Angels are completely feral.
They're just chewing on people's jugular veins and being a menace.
And he's like, right, we need to sort this out.
Ah, Horus, Horus.
And he's like, I got you, let's sort this out, to the point where I think it's for
Gaddon and Abaddon, one of the Horus Heresy books, where it's Sanguinus' book.
They're actually with him when he first meets his legion.
And they're all like, you're doing a great job, Sanguinus.
You're a lovely guy.
You're doing fine.
He's like, I'm a bit nervous.
You're doing excellent.
And because they were, again, the best of the best, they were the benchmark for every
legion to follow, driving some Primarchs such as Ferus Manus to be like, ah, I have to be
a taskmaster because I'm one of the...
He was like, I'm pretty sure it's Horus, Leman Russ, Ferus Manus is the first free to be
discovered.
He saw who came before him and was like, right, we've got the Feral Wolf man, and we've got
Corleone over here with his prestigious legions.
I've got to be so harsh with my sons that they can aspire to be just as good as them.
And even though Rogal Dorne and Rabute Gilman came from empires within an empire, they still
looked at the suns before us and they were like, that's impressive.
We need to do just as well of them if not better.
They earned their title, the Emperor's Wolves, during the first pacification of Terra's
moon.
Luna, wolf, get it.
And they were also tithed the reclaimed gene banks from Luna, which further increased their
ability to replenish losses.
So they boys were the biggest...
Yeah, they had a need for seed.
Need for seed underground.
And it was like...
Great game.
Me and the boys playing Payday and robbing the cum bank.
I literally had a timestamp comment on one of my videos recently with the Imperial Fists.
And I was like, what is this timestamp?
And it's the bit where I say, we are cum.
I'm like, very mature.
Thanks guys.
But yeah, so they could replenish numbers.
They had between, I believe if my notes are correct, it was between 130,000 to 170,000
Astartes by the end of the Great Crusade.
So they weren't ultramarines big.
Ultramarines have like quarter of a million.
There's a damn lot of them.
That's still a lot of marines.
Yeah, they're one of the biggest.
They're like top three biggest legions.
And to be fair, they never had to reinvent themselves like say the Barbarans did.
They never had to suffer without a Primarch for ages.
Like the Alpha Legion, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
You're probably second biggest after the Rangdon and the Dark Angels got obliterated.
Were bears?
Yeah, were they the biggest?
Not the biggest.
Well, it'll explain it in a bit because obviously they don't really fight.
Just asking briefly though, in terms of American football, ways to put it Colin, who are sons
of Horus if it was like American football?
Definitely not the Bears.
Is it the Giants?
Was it the one that Giants?
Is that a team?
Yeah, the Giants are a team.
Who's one that always wins a Super Bowl?
Shit, it's making them blanking on this because he's been.
Tom Brady, what team were you a part of forever?
The Patriots.
There we go.
Mr. Dad on the mouth.
What?
It was the Patriots.
Blank man, I'm gonna get.
The uninitiated.
The nerd that I am.
The sons of Horus are the Patriots of the legions.
No, I see a weird way of saying that.
In English terms, they're Manchester United?
No, they're Man City.
Man City, alright.
They're having a nightmare, Manchester United.
My god.
Crystal Palace, mate.
But yeah, it's worth saying that they were pretty legendary.
All the legions looked up to them.
They were really good at targeting enemy command structures using loads of different
tactics, loads of different weapons and armaments.
They had a really flexible and independent organizational structure which allowed them
to promote a lot of really, really charismatic and interesting captains.
For example, you had the Mournaval, which is their special boys club.
It's like a sorority inside.
It's like, oh, we're the cool kids.
They hold hands so the girls can't see it.
Yeah, they hold hands and they skip through the battle barge of the eventual spirit.
It's literally me with the Titanic, whereas the men stayed behind the Titanic so they
could secretly kiss.
So the girls would.
Sorry, it's very funny.
I think we're looking at different memes.
Yeah.
So you had characters like, for example, Hastas Agenus, who became the Half Herd and everyone's
like, oh, shut up, old man.
Your talk about back in the old days boring.
But you also had people like Hastas Agenus of the Fourth Company.
You had Tarek Torgaddon.
You had Little Horus Axemandus.
He was known because he looked a lot like his Primarch.
You had Garveor Loken.
And of course, you had Ezekiel Abaddon, who was basically seen as, well, Horus is the
Emperor's favored son.
Ezekiel is like the Legion's favored captain.
Everyone was like, oh, that guy.
That guy's crazy.
He's not the fastest.
He's not the strongest, but he will always get the kill shot in.
That's his deal.
He's like, yeah, even if you're stronger, even if you're faster, I'm still getting out
alive because I grew up on the gangs of Cephonia and I killed my dad.
Like, OK, yeah, OK, how's it going?
Cool.
He came from the hardened and bitter streets of Chicago, Illinois.
Yeah.
It forced him into a mighty warrior.
At least one member of that Legion can actually kill their dad.
You know what I mean?
Horus is a...
Horus is a black king.
Well, again, he was known as King Killer before he even joined the Lunar Wolves.
And yeah, they were the only Legion that ever came close to exceeding them was the Ultramarines,
and that was because they had more resources.
Like, we've got way more men.
We've got an entire empire to back us up.
And Robutei Gilman's no slouch when it comes to tactics.
But even then, it's like Horus...
Horus is the only Primarch that Gilman never fought and will never see him fight him.
So he has to settle for Abaddon, which is a bit of a shame.
And yeah, it's...
After Horus's ascension as the Warmaster of the Imperium, their star continued to rise.
It's like, not only are you like...
You have the most compliances.
You have almost the most men.
You have the best war record.
You had 30 years with your Primarch, uninterrupted, and he became mentored by the Emperor alone
for three decades.
That's mental.
Also, your dad's now the Warmaster.
You're so cool, guys.
You're so cool.
And with that, they got rid of the Lunar Wolf paint scheme.
Originally, the Emperor said, Horus, you should rename these guys as a special thing to galvanize
you as the first among equals.
And he was like, I don't know, dad.
It seems like a bit of a dick move.
And then Sanguineous was like, shut up.
It's fine.
You deserve it, buddy.
You deserve it.
You did such a good job, Horus.
You're a pretty class act.
Please don't kill me in the future.
What?
You've earned it, little horsey.
Little horsey, yeah.
But yeah, so like.
There's a random side note.
I can't get over that.
Oh, dude, legendary donation.
What do we?
Oh, I see.
Oh, I've seen that, yeah.
When we read them out after this section, god, I call that one.
Okay.
I just get what he's saying now.
I was wondering if the regular humans in like, when obviously they had the expeditionary
fleets, obviously the whole big thing about sons of Horus is like, they have their legion
and there's also like a massive army of like regular humans with them.
And then I just wanted the little humans called that called him little Horus as well, because
he'd be like so much bigger than you.
It's like, like a body, you know, like World's Strongest Man or something like that, like
bodybuilders and they're like thing is like little something before it.
Yeah, like it is not a little.
Yeah, me cring my neck to look up the little mountain like, okay.
Or it'll be like an ironic things like he's not the tallest, but he's wide.
He's so wide.
He has he has girth muscles.
Little Horus is yeah.
Yeah, he's pretty fake.
But yeah, and so with with their change of name into the sons of Horus, they also adopted
a different color scheme.
They have this like deep green armor with gold trim, which is basically a way for GW
to be like this is when they were evil.
Like they were good when they were like white on black.
And now it's like evil colors, deep green.
Looks like not many things really go for that anymore.
And I really do appreciate the color.
I'm sure there's like a reference where it's like we don this color specifically because
we crunked the orcs at Ulanor.
So we wore this color just to be like, hey, you guys.
But I don't think that I think that's conjecture rather than actual canon.
So they're doing like green green face.
Moving on that moving swiftly as Zogan appropriation.
The other interesting thing about the sons of Horus, like every legion have like an elite
first company, but the sons of Horus, they had kind of had two.
So within their elite company, they had the Jesteran, which are Avedon leads them that
these huge Terminator clad hulking giants with like jet black ceramite.
You meet them in a dark alleyways like it's over now.
It's over.
Just going to like flick of the wrist and my head comes off.
It's like disgustingly powerful.
But they also had the Catalan Reavers, which were like they did also occasionally wear
Terminator armor, but they prefer to be a bit more nimble.
So like they had the normal ceramite.
And again, it's like jet black with jump packs.
They were really good at like rapid assault, shock assault.
If you have like the white scars go into like probe the enemy for like weaknesses, these
guys come in next and they just hammer blow, crush you to bits quickly.
No nonsense.
And they had a reputation as being like the most marshally powerful of all the legions
to the point where everyone else was copy pasted.
They're like, oh, that's cool.
I'm copying that.
I'm copying your homework.
Kind of like with Gillam and when he saw the more parts from the Raven guard, the like
plasma jewel wielding crazy folks inside.
They're cool.
I'm having them.
Do you mind if I copy your homeworks?
Cori's like, no, it's fine.
And again, like a lot of their lore in the great crusade is kind of glossed over because
their only thing is just like they're the best around.
Exactly.
Lovely rendition.
And yeah, their whole thing is just they're really good.
They're really good at everything.
And they're not the ultramarines.
They're the evil versions of the ultramarines.
Do we have any questions about the sons of Loras?
They're the big one.
The only thing I can think of is when it's when is it a wolf of ash and something?
It's the story where the emperor and the lunar wolves arrive on the planet.
And then the emperor is like the whole like they're staring out the window and like Horus
is scratching out like a cat being like, I want to go down there and fight with my sons.
Oh, yeah, a child.
It didn't the emperor goes.
It's a teleporter.
The whole place is a teleporter.
And so they they go down with the lunar walls and they fight alongside the emperor and the
custodians.
And then weirdly enough, the emperor saves Abaddon's life.
So you're like, you know, damn calculation there.
He knew he was messed up.
And the thing is, it didn't help that the next legion to be found.
It didn't help that the next legion to be found was the space wolves like wolf, wolf
rivalry, wolf, wolf, wolf, wolf.
And Leeman had to be like, right, my wolves are cooler.
They'll be called wolves longer than eventually.
Or is like, you know what?
I'm sick of this name.
I don't like sharing my thing.
I'm called the looper cowl.
I should be I should get the wolf.
I'll screw it.
Sons of Horus.
They'll do.
You tell me it's so good with the lunar wolves and there was like no barely any wolf things
in them and then they'd space wolves and it's all for for for for.
Yeah.
Who who who is the king killer?
Which guy did you say was that?
Was it Abaddon?
Yeah, Attilan score score bar of the Alpha Legion also has that title.
Yeah.
Do you have a?
I can't remember his name.
OK, I think it was his also.
There's also the cool guy, Malagust as well.
Oh, Malagust the twisted.
Yeah, he gets so badly mold.
They call him the twisted and it's like, oh, that's mean.
And then he becomes like he becomes the equarita to Horus and he calls him Mal.
The dogs have been taken.
Horrid news.
Oh, no more aliens.
Oh, don't worry.
We'll talk about the space ring.
Had a limp.
Oh, good.
You should give them all a lip.
They're pretty good.
He gets like into his fund about his fund about his fund to halt crashes and he gets
like mangled.
He's like twisted, twisted.
He's like, guys, stop being mean to me.
That's what I am.
You're being rude.
Yeah, we do have.
I know we had some donations and I also noticed Mr. Thangor says he said, what color law crimes
hoodie should I get?
The color of your soul, thank all black.
Purple.
We'll start with this one from Donkeyman USA saying once again, how's gooning problem delays
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Horrible.
Jack, Jack, and have you said this in all of your donations?
Fabius Barthes, my favorite traitor.
Also I'm gay.
Fair enough.
I think his first comment ever was I love Warhammer.
Also I'm gay.
Does he just want us to say I'm gay on stream?
Is that what he's looking for?
Parker's Sommelin for five bucks.
What Warhammer or non Warhammer game had you had you height, but once it came out, you
were disappointed by it.
For me, it was destiny.
That destiny one or two.
Both.
This is a crock.
This sucks.
Yeah.
War three.
Anybody done a war three?
And then you get destiny.
When did Peter Dinklage go?
What's going on?
What happened?
To be fair, Dinklage could not be phoning it in any harder.
I must say I've been replaying the I replayed the Resident Evil 4 remake that came out.
Ada Wong's voice actress was so flat and I was like, what's going on?
And then I googled and it's like, oh, she was in the new Resident Evil film.
So they wanted to tie her into the game and she sounds so bored.
So like, oh Leon, you should do that.
Oh God.
Please stop.
Please.
I think for me Dragon Age Veil God because I was a Dragon Age series fan and I just like,
it just needs poor quality the whole thing, man.
It just like they fumbled the back of it.
I mean, I've been dismayed by Dragon Age since the original because the original was so dark
and gritty and bloody.
And then every game after it got a little bit more like family friendly and Pixar-y.
And I was like, oh, the first one was the best one when you find King, what's his name?
He's been like crucified by a troll.
Whoa, that's mental.
Whoa, this is great.
Oh, it gets worse.
Oh, yeah.
They I'm sad because they fumbled the bag on some that could have been cool.
And it's crazy because there's games like Baldur's Gate 3, which showed like there's
no excuse for fumbling the bag.
Like, you know, yeah, there's no excuse.
They're also like, hey, guys, we're working on Mass Effect 4.
And I'm like, please don't be shit.
Please don't show that on my videos.
Mass Effect 4 drops.
Tom Warren for two bucks says, I guess the real Alpharis was inside us all along.
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Thank you, brother.
JP for a dollar, $10, a 10 a off topic.
Colin was based before he was forced to make his bed.
But I came here for one thing.
Prince Uriel and you've rain law soon, right?
Prince Uriel is a real one.
His law is fun.
I like to try and forget you've rain exists.
They could fix it.
You haven't I?
Well, we could.
We could.
We could also reach in and I'm sorry.
How can you forget if rain when every five minutes there's like a new piece of artwork
shipping her with Gilliman as an old fan column, you can't escape.
It's it's inescapable.
I look up elder lore and I see you've rain wearing an oversized t shirt with an Omega
on it.
Yeah, cool.
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Hey, Donkey Man USA.
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Excuse me.
I call this one.
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The five dollars.
I love Alpharius.
I just dropped.
I just finished my solo war video and it's just like, and then he caved in his skull
with Storm's teeth and it was funny.
Good bad book.
Oh, JP.
Best founding was the ultimate founding.
None of these silly Horus heresy chapters.
I'll die on this on on this uniformed hill is it though.
I don't know until it is.
Is it though?
I mean, I did a video on the ultimate founding.
No one watched it.
But second founding.
Whoa.
He will watch that.
I mean, I mean, some of them have law.
Primaris chapters.
Bro, come on.
The real the real cool founding is wherever the bad ones come from.
I like the color all over the place.
Are you telling me you're not begging for another space marine chapter that's known
for their ferocious spirit in battle?
And that's it?
No, no, I'm not.
I think with that being said, though, Andy, is it am I ready to take the reins and talk
about the best is boys?
Let me just load up your boys.
No, yeah, I have them.
This is I'm gassed because we're talking about people strapping a really zoomed in on a log
for the order for the order.
It's a slow man.
Logo just like, ah, heresy.
Why does that say how do you want to touch you?
What do you mean by that?
Jesus Christ.
I don't consent.
All right, strap in boys.
This is the strap on.
Yeah, well, funny enough, there might be some of that later because we're talking about
the actually the most I love to hate these guys so much.
They are such a love to them.
I wish they would honestly like hit their shins every day.
Like that's how much I despise them.
But in a good way, we're talking about word bearers.
Seventeenth Legion, Imperial Heralds, they were originally called.
Not sure really why that name like should be there because it's pretty boring.
But I know it kind of goes through.
It's because they the the proto chaplains, they used to send one to wherever they were
besieging and he'd be like, oh, you surrender or we'll kill you.
And then when they got like nuked, then they're like, right, boys have Adam.
And that was they would herald that the demise of their enemies to be like, have you heard
about the Imperial truth?
That's why they were probably have you heard of the high elves?
Yeah, they don't they don't really get to the cloud district that often.
But they they they guys pretty gagging just to attack people because they were known from
their early founding as basically being some of the most zealous defenders of what's known
as the Imperial truth.
Dumbing it down, basically, Imperial truth is essentially atheism.
But with an end twist.
And in the Warhammer verse, it's one of those things where like you don't necessarily need
to believe in it because you can see it like that's yeah, not good.
The Emperor and his solicitous lies created the Imperial truth that was a founding sort
of piece of legislation, scholarly philosophy that the 17th Legion was like, yo, that's
my thing.
Other leads are good at fighting.
This is my thing.
They just throw books at people and my crows is see how they like that.
And when they were doing the unification wars, they pretty much just they kind of were just
known for like burning down libraries and stuff because they they wasn't they weren't
in that direction of like, you know, like book burning.
Traditionally, history is not really like it belongs in a certain ilk.
But these are whenever I think of book burning, I remember that scene from Indiana Jones where
he's like trying to like sneak his way in the disguise through the night and then he sees
the book and he signs it.
He's like, Huh?
Yikes.
And essentially, they went kind of the opposite direction of like, basically being like, you
know, I am the Imperial truth's greatest defender.
I am truly we out here.
The armor this time was like plain gray, like with them sometimes bits of etchings of gold
or silver on them.
They often had essentially the literally the Imperial truth written into their armor in
engravings.
They also nicknamed the iconoclasts by the other legions, which for those of you, it
just basically means they destroy icons or slash they hate icons.
If anyone has played Crusader Kings two or three, there's a cool start date in which
the Byzantine Empire essentially all iconoclasts.
And yeah, that was interesting.
It's a good heresy.
Essentially, this legion was like the Emperor was like, man, these guys are fantastic.
They're my bestest boys right now, other than the first legion, of course.
So they he literally, you know, javelin them up and threw them out into the galaxy to go
conquer worlds, you know, in the name of the great crusade, great compliance of humanity.
And for basically over a century, they were doing pretty good.
They were racking up worlds.
They didn't have their Primarchs of other ones got their Primarchs first, you know,
they're a shiny toy.
So a lot of them like, damn it.
You know, I mean, like, you know, other legions were teasing them being like, where's your
Primarch?
And then the work bearers got their Primarch and they're like, oh, we get this one.
Yeah.
Well, like, imagine the other ones are like, you know, you know, oh, I'm better than you.
Oh, I'm stronger than you.
Oh, I we've got better psychics than you.
Yeah, well, I have a Primarch at least, you know what I mean?
It's the ultimate playground.
We got this like, we got the like nerdy one that was like shoved under the staircase for
like years.
Like, oh, we got this Primarch.
I love you, Lerga.
So this is a lot of slander for a man who's just categorically right about how reality
works.
Oh, it'll turn out to be.
All eyes.
They essentially get called at some point to go to the world of Colchis.
And the whole legion is summoned because they have found their Primarch and it is a man
or a being named Lerga or Raelian.
They kind of meet him and again, like when you meet Lerga, it's like, you know, when
someone's like, oh, I'm not really starstruck, but then like Brad Pitt walks into your living
room.
So you're kind of like, oh, God, being around Lerga is like being on crack, essentially.
He's like a he's a similar look and presence to the emperor amongst regular humans.
Even other Astartes are pretty jealous, which is weird, because like as a guy, he looks
kind of like a low key bit ugly.
But as a Primarch, as a Primarch aura, his thing, he has strong aura, essentially.
But he's pretty beefed up in that region.
And he's they start talking to him.
They're like, oh, you know, we're the are the, you know, the greatest defenders of the
imperial truth.
We are, you know, we are the imperial heralds.
We are great.
You know, and then he goes, yeah, about that.
I hate you, Lerga, Lerga has got an itty bitty secret.
Lerga is one of the faithful slash he believes the emperor is a god, which is not a hard
thing to kind of leap to, because literally, again, the somebody's like, say, it's just
correct.
I mean, like the guys, the guy showed up as I'm not a god was also immediately you weep
if you see the sight of him, because he's the most amazing thing you've ever seen.
So yeah.
And he slowly was start to transform the legion from zealots who like, you know, zealot zealously
atheist to essentially coming around to the point of they were actually faithful, they
believe the emperor is a god.
You may be thinking, like, guys, you shouldn't burn the books.
Oh, you should read them.
Oh, but only these ones.
Okay.
And the rest of them that that's right.
Okay.
And I don't blame them because you say so.
I imagine it's, it's the same thing of like with like politics in the same way, like if
it goes around and you know, like, it all ends up in a circle, they say.
So at some point, things sort of cross over and you're almost the same thing.
They were so zealously against religion in all forms, that they were essentially they
didn't even I imagine they probably didn't even necessarily.
They weren't like, Oh, I just got I just didn't believe I don't.
I have robust, robust arguments against it.
They very much like we just hated it.
So therefore, they were very much obviously then vulnerable to the fact of well, you actually
could be equally zealous in a different position, because that's just who you are.
Fun fact about them as well.
They can say that fun fact for later because it doesn't come up yet.
But essentially, the Legion at this time now slowly, like slows down in their progress
and the great crusade.
They're very much I mean, you know, Gilliamans out there, the lion Horace, people are showing
up and they are like talked about as fantastic, you know, oh my God, you know, these demigod
beings.
But the 17th Legion is pretty slow because they are turning all the world like all the
worlds they conquer into essentially theocracies.
And they all worship the Emperor of mankind until we get to a brilliant point called Monarchia.
Now, for 150 years into the great crusade, and the world word bearers are called to the
world of so there's so many there's so many words and world things that they're called
to the world of Kerr.
And they essentially assemble the entire Legion on this like dusty plane, because this perfect
city called Monarchia, which they thought was like the greatest testament to like what
they contributed to the Imperium is like the perfect Emperor worshipping city.
And it's been glassed the whole thing on because it was destroyed by the ultramarines on the
order of the Emperor.
And logon appears before his Legion, he shows up and he's like, what the hell is going on
here and the Emperor of mankind walks before them and he forces them all to kneel.
Now, some of you guys are a bit younger than us, I will say.
So I actually got help and I slightly translated some of the Emperor's words into Gen Z speech
here.
I need to get something to drink.
Hold on.
Okay.
Because I thought for the uninitiated as well, they might want to hear some of the Emperor's
words, but then slightly put into a better phrasing, let's just say so it starts off
with honorable isn't it?
So it was like logon you ignorant slut he leans and the Emperor says, no, we're starting
with the Emperor shuts his eyes and logon saw a vision of monarchy, majestic and stunning
in his head.
This is like reverence, the Emperor explained.
It's like a toxin to the truth.
You're calling me a sussy God and creating words that skivvy because of this massive
lie that keeps making humanity almost go extinct over and over.
You just don't see it my dude.
You're holding on to ideas and putting it all at risk because of them.
It's time to stop this logon.
It's time for you to listen to me.
This is what a 50 year old man thinks.
Well, there is listen up fellow kids.
Out of all my legions, you're the ones who messed up big time.
You have more troops than anyone except for the 13th Legion, but your winds are slow and
empty.
You stay on concrete walls for way too long, leading the people into worshiping fake beliefs,
spreading lies to the gullible and building monuments to deceit.
Everything you've done in the Great Crusade has been Ohio.
Whilst everyone else is rizzing and helping the Imperium grow, you're the ones who let
me down so bad.
Fight battle that you were meant to.
Serve the Imperium like you were born to.
Remember the lesson you're learning right now.
Your sus feeling in the mess you caused by following a choo-choo path at this moment
be the glow up for your Legion.
And then Ravu Tey said, yeah.
I had a Gen Z translator for that there.
Can we crucify this man?
Yeah.
Speaking of the law crimes, take your hoodie, throw it in the bin.
You're out.
You're done.
I thought you'd appreciate that.
I hope that makes sense.
Essentially, and definitely made.
I didn't, I didn't write this for I put it into a Gen Z translator.
So no, I like that.
It's like Google is like, frankly, English into Arabic or Spanish or Japanese.
Gen Z just one of the options.
Oh, okay.
Someone's just getting back my super chat.
What do you mean?
You enjoyed that.
Give it back.
This is my favorite part.
Essentially, Lohgar didn't take this very well.
And he didn't even shave for a week.
And he essentially was broken.
His faith was ruined.
And then Erebus and called Theron.
They like they've started to whisper in his ear, like the creepy old men they are.
They're all bald at this point, because they're going to go.
Because that's how GW does it.
And yeah, Lohgar essentially says, I have lost, you know, the Emperor doesn't want,
you know, my God rejected me, like literally his God said no to you.
So he was like, I'm going to go find gods that do want me.
Good.
Don't.
This is, this is when he will join with our control, who is a famous catch from the,
like, well, the heresy books, and they would go on a venture to what would later be called
Cadia.
They would meet with some weird tribesmen who started doing like a strange ritual and
Lohgar just invested at this point because he doesn't really care.
He's more about I just want to see something that is like is tangible and true to me because
my Emperor, my God doesn't seem to be worthy of my, you know, own worship.
And the werebearers are like, what the hell is going on here?
I am, you know, I am literally watching naked tribes people dance with a Primarch in the
room.
Some of the custodians end up, you know, they turn up and they're like, stop, this is cringe,
just like my Gen Z speech up there.
And they essentially had a small scuffle.
A custodian got clapped and they were like had to hide the body.
It's quite awkward.
He didn't just get clapped.
They just sacrificed and they made a demon out of him.
Well, they they birthed a demon out of him.
What's it called the Sleneshy one that's in the art?
And it's like Ingothel.
That's the one.
Every dead body is another win in my book.
That's right baby.
Speaking of Ingothel.
Although before you keep going Hal, for some reason when you said Argl Tau, I just thought
of a Bill and Ted reference like Argl Tau's excellent adventure.
Lohgar Raelian's bogus journey.
Speaking of Ingothel, the tribesmen created or communed and made this one of them turn
into Ingothel as a ascended demon prince and Lohgar ever searching for the truth would
and you know his sons ever willing to follow.
So this was a fun fact here at this point.
All word bearers intrinsically can read like their cultures and language can also be translated
into chaotic runes.
I thought you were just gonna stop at that.
All word bearers can instinctively read.
That was Lohgar's Primarch powers like oh Perturabo.
He has like a he knows everything.
He knows how to build anything.
He's like Lohgar I can read.
Unlike the space war.
I see to be fair there's a couple legions that haven't quite hit that benchmark.
I was gonna say Leman Russ was very jealous for a long time.
They can all read chaos runes.
In their genes he gives them the ability.
They can all read it intrinsically and it was quite strange when the custodians turn
up they're like what is this strange language and the word bears can already like there's
something within them that can already understand chaos in some way.
Which is interesting.
That's why Lohgar and Angraan were such good friends towards the end because he was teaching
them how to read.
Bro just wants to be like in his workshop and he's like I don't want to read.
Now Angraan we're gonna go back we're gonna now go through the alphabet again but instead
of saying abacaduh I want you to say ABCD and he said I've just learned the alphabet.
It's like no one's learned it properly this time.
So they the Ingothel demon tells Lohgar and the word bearers that essentially they need
to go on search for the true they need to go on a pilgrimage search for the true gods
and essentially Lohgar sends Argothal and members of the serrated son chapter of the
word bearers basically destroy up into the warp with the demon Ingothel on board and
then the demon just says yo and he's like what you know you'll get a field it's like
yeah yeah turn it off.
Undo that please.
And I'll do like what?
Yo yo turn it off.
They turn off their gelafield which means they have no protection from the warp and
immediately basically everyone dies.
Everyone gets killed and then they reawaken because the turns out the word bearers of
Argothal and his serrated son chapter they're going on an adventure and they go on this
strange vision quest.
They start to see the Primarchs and the gestation pods they see other things like secrets about
chaos as well it's kind of all over the place a little bit in some parts and it's they see
like the fall of the Eldar in some way or like they understand it.
They kind of weirdly I think they see Horus at some point because supposedly Horus is
also going to have a vision quest in the gestation capital so it's like a bit like the Spider-Man
meme of and like huh huh.
And obviously the big thing is like is this real or is this just a fake vision from chaos
which is up for debate.
I don't want to spoil it just yet.
But they essentially arrive back into real space for them it's been like quite a while
for Logar I like I just sent you in for like five minutes you know I've only put you in
the microwave and you just come out already baked.
And he does the Titanic it's been 300 years or whatever it is.
Yeah there's been a while for Argothal.
And Logar there's an interesting part where Logar then it's like the interview the vampire
thing they have an interview with Argothal who apparently now is joined with a demon
because it turns out there's something called the primordial truth and there's a holy union
between chaos and humanity and Logar is like love it get me some of that love that.
You want to have his Brexit visa.
Argothal went into the war for five minutes and became northern.
Disgraceful.
Tell you what that's bloody nice that.
I've got a demon in the potty what's that about?
We are in the dark timeline now.
Well I guess well funny enough Eldoroth's about to be mentioned so Colin keep your trousers
clean.
Huge.
Logar himself now is like oh I missed out so he goes into the war.
And he now will venture onto his own pilgrimage to find the true God's ones worthy of his
worship his worship you know because he clearly the big dude he wears the pants and he'd go
on to see the fall of the Eldor side note apparently the fall of the Eldor was a massive
wave of like rippling flesh that just ate them alive.
Horrific.
That's how that's how the Eldoroth that's how Sinesh just did it pretty quick.
Even when they're dooming everyone the Eldoroth just do it better.
This is how it is.
I mean you know.
Get into the flesh pile.
God damn.
He would go on he would go on to find like broken pieces of craft world.
He would find an almost fully decayed avatar of Cain who would then go fight Logar which
is an even match by the way how it should be done GW.
Get Caldor out of there.
I don't see Kato Sakari's anywhere near a god damn avatar of Cain.
This one's like almost like a charcoal.
Oh is that a katan?
Awfully big talk for a guy in void grenade reach.
He's a the avatar of Cain is pretty charcoaled up so it's an interesting fight and I like
that part of it because it shows like he's like the last vestige of like a dying angry
god and Logar does end up just about winning because he gets a prime cover of it crawling
away from the weakest Primarch is like oh that's a flex.
Oh my yeah poor Eldor and then he would start to have the demon Ingerthal join him and it
goes on like he goes on his vision quest where he learns of something called the primordial
truth.
For everyone's wondering this is essentially the inverse of what is the imperial truth
is the acceptance that the mirror dimension the warp is like the fundamental thing that
links all sentient life and it is a true and in in undeniable fact and it is the only way
for sentient life to truly survive and be immortal is to essentially be in harmony with
the rippling emotions of thought you know and all the worst excesses of ourselves so
Argultal joining with a demon is considered a holy union and then Logar comes back out
and he's like man I'm totally even more bald and evil now everyone get rid of their hair
I want to see no hairline I want to see nothing because this is this is this is my time we
are all evil now and so they start to essentially how would be they essentially corrupt the
entire legion there is a caveat to the bald rule so it's like if you're bald you are evil
but if you have a laurel wreath on your bald head it's fine like that's how we get out
you you have to have something on your bald head isn't garyl bald who who isn't garyl
bald garros bald.
I heard garyl I was like garyl?
luscious locks yeah Logar Logar's like I'm back baby this time I ain't no weakling you
know I've I'm on my signal mel grind set he tells himself when everyone else is here
is like oh they're grown but he essentially would slowly begin to corrupt the legion along
with the ones that already know the fact of the primordial truth and the legion is pretty
much is like yeah I just got my my cheeks my my head clapped by the emperor my god my
cheeks clapped by the emperor because he literally psychically forced me to kneel and he told
me I was worth nothing you know it's literally imagine if someone is like one of the faithful
of our world and they're literally heard their god say you ain't shit like like that's what
happens we're literally like I feel violated it's like dude you have a demon in your body
I don't care I feel violated like okay weird but okay this this would be god coming down
to piss all over the pope yeah instead of like grabbing it instead of any like you know
sleight of hand something like the real magicians turned up and they just proved that their
tricks are real so they're like I guess this is us now they changed their legion color
to a nice sort of it's like a similar red it's like arterial like like the flight what
the flesh terrors have like that kind of nice off red slightly like a slightly burgundy
red and they essentially well in secret they are now corrupted and they would set their
plans for the Horus heresy and they will begin a slight purge only a few of them because
they're pretty easy to convince because lorgar again is very persuasive and essentially the
entire legion a little bit of a purge it's small yeah it'd be like gradually in the weekend
instead of like we're gonna put them on east one and bomb them it's like I've heard that
Nigel's not with us okay do you want to come in here for a bit sleep and it's like one
at a time weed them out it's okay like that okay Nigel the space marine and yeah essentially
they would start to the last thing they kind of redid is they would on some of their ships
because they would be watched by the custodians because the emperor was like you know and
then for the like for 50 years the custodians didn't even notice that they were sacrificing
making sacrifices inside their own ship to stop the custodians messages reaching the
emperor so they're essentially a lot going on I'm sure they just didn't every time they
want to turn the corner they like hit away like Tom and Jerry it was it was the largest
game of among us ever played it's an interesting way to space well the the the custodians on
watching them essentially believe like they were given that task as like a shame thing
so they thought the emperor's not answering back because he's like I want to ask me back
you know he's broken up he's literally not answering my calls but that's essentially
what where the word by word bearers are at the end of the great crusade just before they
would go into corrupt horus though if there's any questions slash comments on the terrible
Gen Z part but I hope for those who were really turning 18 or at least just like young now
they understood what that was because I promise you that was tough we promise you hell didn't
understand it's more a comment but I I'm worried about gen alpha because if we find like Gen
Z hard to understand it's gonna get even worse I don't know what he was I was it like your
sauce kneeling in the in the mess caused by following a chugy path what is what is bro
going on about we are the old men guys it's over we're old now it's so I'm do we have
he's not saying words it's not over we have some donations I think from that was probably
imagine the donations are probably all telling me I'm a huge scum is there anyone else want
to read that one I'm just obsolete if it's a sure I'll I'll I'll take it over coochie
slayer 69 thank you for the fun are there any loyal sons of Horus that survived the
horus heresy also I am L far I guess the one that's in the Grey Knights which one oh so
Mary is the only one yeah but I know of but he's more like a lunar wolf than a son of
Horus he was part of the Crusader host that had to stay on terror every legion had like
one unfortunate guys to say hey we're gonna go out there and do some crazy stuff you gotta
stay on town like well it's not fair and he was one of those guys he was like oh I never
saw the trail unfold he has a massive beard so it's like how do you fit that in your helmet
it's like space wolf about it Tom Warren for $2 says my dad can beat up your nothing thank
you don't have a word there is he from colon colonoscopy has a nice forehead thanks I'm
glad you like it I think I've got a bigger forehead than a color maybe we really competing
who has the big we're gonna get a measuring table that mines bigger that's the real reason
we need Bricky on here main event Virgil with the five euros why you guys always get a stream
on a Friday night and you have social lives or something we actually know this checks
out don't do warheads first of all the only thing worse than the only thing worse than
doing a war hammer stream on a Friday night is watching the war hammer stream Friday afternoon
this is literally work for me and Andy yeah I think for calling you guys off it's like
three or four for us and then it's like 10pm for those guys second of all I'm going out
after this so kiss my ass can I read the next one because I love how blunt and to the point
it is so this one's from Brian Isaacs it just says cringe wow appreciate it thank you Brian
just great representation that's probably the house well this is a dangerous next message
bunny cop for the five bucks thinking about it Logar sounds a bit like that youth pastor
at my church when I was a teenager that was a little too intense oh no oh dear man we're
truly Catholic up in there angry homunculus watch the Chris Tester video of Logar doing
all I ever wanted was the truth fantastic loads of my stuff I I'm still waiting for
Chris Tester to redo that video but it's all I want for Christmas it was true sing the
whole thing like logger that'd be great Tom Warren five bucks oh my god it kind of is
like Bill and Ted's bogus journey yeah he goes through traveling through time it's like
someone needs to make a t-shirt of Argyle towel in the phone booth going through time
going Argyle towels bogus journey it'd be great trick and the t-shirt that just says
wacky on it because he's the kind of guy who thinks that would be cool he's like I'm so
wacky I think I think in my mind look I was like Michael Scott but like
I asked Colin which makes you angrier Thorgrim getting shanked by a magic skaven proof knife
will grim near teleporting Felix under a pile of rubble to suffocate I'm uh I'm gonna go
with Thorgrim because the thing about Felix is that he exists to have a miserable life
there is no happy ending which is why you come back in age of Sigmar because there is
no rest for that man bring him back I don't care bring him back we can keep bringing back
Primarch out of the horse hair so we can bring back Felix thank you JP yeah you missed the
second legion because there is no fun thing about that
you also missed the 11th legion wow JP every time I think of a log I imagine the meme of
the toilet plunger on a bald guy with a demon behind him not a star
I'm unfamiliar with this meme
Set first time catching your live keep being cool thank you brother please
you can tell this is the first time he's catching us live because this isn't an insult
give it time and last one
Beem Iden FB live I'm a turtle piled by eel maxing crab cell
no turtle piled eel maxing crab cell I've read that all wrong
absolutely huge Iden F stay winning
also more merch
we got tank tops now
I cut this one up with scissors but you get the point
it's time for us
it's kind of like a top you can kind of buy a tank top you just have to put it next to
you can be buff like Eli
it's time for Colin's favorite he's been begging
he's on the edge of his seat he's edging
I love Rogal Dorn
my beloved the first and the last 20th legion but also the first legion
in super hell
you know what before
the scheme though the scheme is good
they look so fucking good
the color scheme
the color scheme is absurdly good I can't knock that one
and they never changed it they didn't change it they're not posers
they have the green version
they absolutely change it they regularly change it
and they have like the dark blue but they change it
now that there's like warbands and stuff yeah they have slight deviations
I don't even mean that they change it all the time that's how the spymaster dates
you know the original alpha legion colors still exist
but the 40k paint scheme is like slightly greener
I'm not a Horace Hayercy expert so have mercy but I did just reread the entire legion book
in the last like three days so I got caught up
but the alpha legion have probably the least amount of great crusade lore I feel like because
that's the whole point
the emperor was basically playing xcom vip missions with the alpha legion for like whatever
thousand years during the great crusade unification wars
so they did everything they did was behind the scenes
a lot of assassinations and subversion and covert ops and abducting people and stuff
like that
black ops ducks they don't they don't make the history books
yeah what do the numbers mean alpharius what are the numbers
basically but they did plant agents all over the place which is pretty cool
the first primarch to be found was actually alpharius and if I remember correctly he was
basically like on the moon wasn't he
yeah they basically just stumbled upon it they went outside and there were like loads
of humans like this thing's weird let's kill it and then the custodian's like no dad oh
what's this oh it's alpharis cool that easy
he was on terror and then the emperor did a superhero landing and killed everyone
yeah yeah yeah
terror or the moon
there's a load of people who say let's eat the baby and he's like don't eat my son he's
mad
I read the the the alpharius
I think he opened a cabinet
yeah the the the primarch the primarch book for the alpha legion is pretty cool I read
it but it was a long time ago uh but yeah he he found alpharius first which is pretty
cool or omegon you don't know if he's actually alpharius or not
it is alpharius it is alpharius
I'm pretty sure it is um and while alpharius was on terror for a while he just kind of
hung out with malcador they played some warhammer 40k together and he like mentally trained
him he helped him be a kind of resistance to like mind tricks and mind magic and stuff
uh also a big thing alpharius did was he basically invented the blood games that the custodians
have so like the custodians
allegedly
more allegedly
we have to say everything have to say allegedly because he's like I'm so cool I invented the
blood games
the blood games is where the custodians all basically just try to kill each other uh to
toss the security of the imperial palace if I remember correctly
do you know how he snuck into the palace by the way because Colin you'll love this
he's not he's not in a box basically right he's not in a barrel he's not in a barrel
and then he kills the custodians
I love salad snake
and and then he escaped in that scene like the the hobbit where they're all in the the
liver and it's just going down it's just with the weird gopro shot in the middle of it that
looks really out of place you ever know what I'm talking about
they're taking the red monster eisengard
yeah
gosh but yeah he he he basically he basically made the blood games he fought um valdor which
is I know something uh valdor actually put up a good fight happened but uh valdor is
just very strong and the I remember in horse hair see tabletop last one I played like three
years ago valdor could one v one primark models which is pretty neat
well he's like the equivalent of a primark for the custodians like they even say in the
books like if if like a primark was the the the pinnacle of the legions he was the pinnacle
of the custodian and there's loads of people like could valdor kill a primark I'm like
maybe he's he's pretty crazy he's a crazy dude every time he kills someone he sees their
entire like memory flash bite before his eyes and say oh that's crazy and he like absorbs
that information the first time he fought roguedorn he beat him and then he never won
again yeah that was when roguedorn was just discovered so you're probably like that's
I've never really fought my equal although you say that just covered it's like he's still
a full grown primark at this point he's still like an adult he's not like a baby he's a
big lad he's a chunky boy yeah all right so anyway
the chungus epic win okay oh my gosh they would eventually find omega who was like I'm
sorry mind you a various base he doesn't really have a home planet because he was already
there I don't remember the name of the planet that they found omega on but it's not really
it's not really the alpha lege's home planet either the alpha lege doesn't really have
any home worlds they never no one actually knows alpharys' home planet because no one
knew that he was found first they thought he was found last because they found omega
on and then horace finds them and alpharys and omega are already together by the time
horace pulls up and then alpharys pulls up to horace's ship pretending to be omega on
who was already around so he pretends to be a legionary doesn't he he's just like I'm
just some dude in the background he's just like a legionary soldier he's just like horace
I just want to fight he's like omega talk to horace and alpharys talk to horace actually
I was jesus the whole time they alpharys finds omega on like he's fighting the slaw
like the maggot men yeah he saves they kind of save each other's lives they like they
hold hands get in a shuttle they bro out and then when they get back to their ship because
the legion is like oh there's a second primarch they go into a secret room they don't kiss
it and then they say we're actually going to switch places so the legion thing is just
found omegon when then alpharys has taken that place yeah appears to them as like one
the new guy yeah and then forever on alpharys is omega and omega was alpharys in all the
lore so whenever you see them mentioned it's actually omega and it's actually although
I have a pun they found him on the sloth planet and he was the second of the twins to be found
so the planet is now called slothy seconds and it was he also has he also got the pale
spear omega yeah and the sick armor as well sick armor so he was omegon was wearing that
when they found him there's no other lore to that he was just like I just found this
it was primarch's eyes yeah mini primarch's eyes yeah so yeah from there on out uh alpharys
who is allegedly actually omegon is the head of the chapter he's the primarch well omegon
who is allegedly alpharys he's usually this black armored uh stealth the 3d squad leader
guy basically uh so they they go around the house they have their little uh operations
they help the dark angels in the rangdan xenocides yeah that's the one yeah because that's the
one i think of where where it's like the the dark angel is struggling a bit with the rangdan
and one of the primarchs is pretending to be a legionary and he goes up to the line he's
like hey bro i'm from the alpha legion mate he's like um who are you he's like i'm just
a guy don't worry we don't where's your primer i don't have a primarch uh i'm just a dude
do you want to have no like okay weirdo and that's kind of their exchange is there any
actual books that uh display the alpha legion fighting in that conflict or is it just mentioned
briefly in the primer they fight at the end uh because it's supposedly the 20th is like
a new legion and then even the other even the first is like there's 20 of us what the
hell and then there's like they're seeing where they all take off their helmet and they
all look the same and all the first legionary all the alpha legionaries look the same they're
not necessarily born like that or then that doesn't always happen after like gene seed
uh implementation but the gene seed does make you more or less look like alpharius but some
of them still have like propensity to grow hair or their eye color will be different
so they get surgeries and alterations to uh yeah like this is a bit of an aside i've just
done the solar war video there's a point where kel solonius has a surgery to look even more
like alpharius so that when the solar war is going on he's on terror and he's like i'm
kel solonius i am an astartes and then like they do the objective and then like a cyclic
a psychic thing happens and alpharius who's leading the fleet is actually kel solonius
and they swap places and it's like oh actually i was i remember that i was alpharius but
i am actually kel solonius and i was hit knowing dr daly's i'm kel solonius and i'm alpharius
like you guys do too much you just calm down the alphalegion books get a little bit ridiculous
after colonists after this war uh oh my gosh yeah there's there's a lot of but that stuff
doesn't actually that stuff doesn't matter for the great crusade because none of that
stuff's actually in the none of that wacky stuff's in the great crusade uh the book legion
is really nice because it's from the human perspective and so it makes the alphalegion
book yeah it's basically a john grammatica book but what is cool because the alphalegion
marines are like extremely mysterious you don't know anything about them and you don't
learn a lot about them either so from an outside observation they're really cool and secretive
whereas in the horus heresy when you're doing it from their perspective it's just like all
this ridiculous stupid stuff that is just silly writing usually but whatever legion
is a good book and everyone read it uh but speaking speaking of legion that's the main
conflicts that they were in kind of in the great crusade uh and they still didn't actually
do very much i most of the primarchs hate most of the primarchs hate alpharius and i
can see why uh they they are the only ones that use human operatives to a certain like
they are as much as space marine legion as a human i'm getting the most egalitarian they're
like they even treat them kind of like the same they're like no you're as important as
i am because we're both doing the same stuff yeah the alphalegion marines are very different
from rake they speak very casually uh even they're just like regular people they don't
speak like normal starrys they speak like you or me basically um alpharius even like
encourages like philosophical debates and stuff with his troops so when they're sitting
at dinner with the lord general these two guys are debating on like the nature of chaos
and why they're here and stuff which the alphalegion also knew about chaos already uh i i kind of
i don't know who told them i don't know if the emperor told them i think he did uh they
are part of the tree foil where they were freely that's what yeah that's what i was
trying to do a thing yeah i couldn't remember what that what the name of that was but yeah
the salamanders space wolves and alphalegion were all made to do specific tasks no one
actually knows what the alphalegions is of course um but i guess it's to be sneaky they
do have the like unnerving ability to kind of just like sneak up and appear right behind
you uh despite not having raven guard gene seed stuff they just can do things there's
this one part where uh omegon who's actually not omegon he's somebody else i don't even
remember um i think he's like ingo peck or something yeah whatever uh he he shows up
right behind elus for black and surprises him and then there's these like these invisible
laser grids around the command tent where they're having dinner and he's just like walking
right through them and it's not triggering the alarms or anything it's pretty neat what
i'm getting ahead of myself uh the nerf campaign on the planet nerf it's basically dune uh
and the nerf things are basically the uh what are the what is the fremen from dune they
wear pink cloth and stuff and they wield uh flaxes and they have what they call air magic
which is just chaos magic uh and despite despite them being relatively primitive they only
have like uh gunpowder and uh like they use these blades and like darts despite that they're
still very strong and they actually were able to destroy titans with their air magic um
yeah so on nerf the geno five chilead which is very cool uh whatever of the imperial army force
of the imperial army they're fighting these nerfing troops uh for eight months and then
the elf legion just kind of decides to reveal themselves but they were already there the entire
time and theoretically even before that because they end up finding these uh shelters and like
command bases that the elf legion kind of carved out in the desert and in most this time the elf
legion were already infiltrating the nerfing people and they were getting operatives into the
nerfing areas and stuff uh there's even a part where one of the chilead regiments uh dig like
takes a body from the nerfing and they kind of operate on it and they find all these weird like
enhancements inside of it and the uh the alpha legion symbol they don't know what's the alpha
legion symbol but they find the head of the hydra in the body and so then the alpha legion stage
and ambush for the nerfing people to uh attack this imperial encampment and kill everyone to get
their body back so that the nerfing don't catch on to the fact that there's alpha legion operatives
in the nerfing so they just massacre this entire regiment basically to cover the alpha legion's
tracks um and before this the first time that they show themselves it's in a desert sink and there's
another regiment i think they were the dancers or the jokers one of the two um they're out here and
they get ambushed by these nerfings and the alpha legion actually uses them as bait which basically
a lot of the regiment gets killed as well uh but then like 12 alpha legion there show up and just
kill all the nerfing and it's pretty cool but yeah so far the alpha legion's track record is just
killing the imperial army and then doing something
i'm true servants of the emperor yeah it's interesting it's it's something uh and all this
malchito was like uh uh go just can we settle it down a little bit yeah they don't even show up to
the last battle in the nerfing war so i'm like it's really unsure what their i what their motives
were in the first place they get lost but as i don't know but this whole time john grammaticus
you cannot forget john grammaticus has been watching the alpha legion because john grammaticus
has been sent by a xenos faction called the cabal which is known made up of like hundreds maybe a
different xenos species all in this literally a giant flying saucer um john grammaticus is a
perpetual who's good at literally everything um yeah he's a large large kind so i don't mind
the cabal they're kind of like they've made themselves kind of like xenos perpetuals but
they've kind of jury rigged it so it's like we're not perpetuals but we figured out immortality kind
of they basically they created john grammaticus they made him a perpetual one of them there's like
a line where like someone almost outright says like it's an old one among them so is it like
the last of the old kind or something like that they are led by a somewhere i'm not making it up
i believe it they led by an elder outark um known as like sladdow or something yes sladdow they're
they're an interesting bunch and uh they're pretty important ironically i guess not that ironically
but most of the alpha legion great crusade lore is actually drawn grammaticus uh lore unfortunately
but you know whatever uh they do actually track down john grammaticus in the nerthing city because
john grammaticus had infiltrated the nerthing city monlo harbor which is the last bastion of
the nerthing uh and they track him down with their agents who had also infiltrated the city
but then john's like kind of psychic presence uh compromises them so then they have to get out
and they're chased by giant demon lizards and stuff and then they lose john again okay and now
and now john's watching them again and in this time they've subverted some of the uh chilean
army men to become agents of their own uh hurtado bronzie and sonica i forgot his first name but
they're both pretty cool dudes and there's there's a lot of cloak and dagger stuff going on
which makes it really makes the alpha legion not look like they were ever on the imperial side in
the first place um because like the the imperial army is constantly trying to weed out these
getting obliterated by alpha legion they're trying to weed out these alpha legion agents
um to the point of like where they find when they actually like torture them immensely but
that being said the alpha legion agent who gets caught uh the alpharius lets petro sonica that's
his name i think uh and another lady go and save him because the alpha legion takes care of their
boys they treat them very well like we said except for when they don't well you know you know uh this
was before the alpha legion was like they were super expendable that like after deliverance loss
they could kind of just make unlimited space marines so it didn't really matter if the agents
died right um here's another 50 yeah basically i know that this is all over the place but like
this is is that surprising i guess okay so the end of the battle on nerth was again on monlo harbor
uh one day the city just started screaming and all the astral paths and everyone kind of went blind
and the nerthine all of a sudden make this like giant dust storm that just rages towards the
imperial line and it's like thousands like tens of thousands of nerthing troopers and lizards and
stuff charge them and there's a big giant fight and the titans eventually show up and blow them all
up uh but the john grammatikus then because john grammatikus is back now he goes he goes and finds
alpharius um he he finds an agent actually and then he brings him to alpharius and he tells alpharius
like you got to go right now because the nerthing has something called a black cube which we know
you never actually get to see or anything they all spark yeah it's it's in the beginning there was
the cube and this black cube is like a chaotic relic from many many years ago uh and the nerthing
are all sacrificing themselves to activate this black cube so alpharius just believes him it
doesn't take much surprisingly but he does believe him and then he goes to lord commander namagera
and tells him we got to leave the lord commander says no screw you uh but then the skies start to
blacken and toxic wind starts to blow and he says oh maybe he had a point maybe i should listen to
my arm so there's this like super hectic evacuation they lose like half the fleet but they get out the
lord commander's pride is blemished extremely but alpharius has a chance for him to redeem himself
because john grammatikus john grammatikus himself has now told alpharius about the cabal and he wants
to go talk to the cabal and alpharius says okay and so then he kind of tells that to namagera who's
very skeptical but alpharius's logic is uh we either find information that is pivotal to the
security of the imperium or we find a strong xenos conglomerate and we kill them all either way
to win when you're going to get your image back yeah that's great that i can't hate the alpha
legion on that one that's pretty solid logic uh so they fly their fleet to let's see something with
uh hydra in its name i have the name here uh okay it had hydra in his name the cabal specifically
chose it because it has hydra in its name so yeah all right i'm sure yeah
even solar war they assault they assault the moon of pluto called hydra i'm like come on
yeah it's not the name of pluto oh my gosh how this works you can't call the moon hydra
they're really trying to blazing them before they even arrived yeah oh and also alpharius
well actually i have no idea if this is true because it was when he was telling namagera
he told namagera that horus was the one who was going to kill him and he was going to kill him
namagera that horus told him to do this i have no idea if that's true because he he was basically
lying to namagera the entire time he ever talked to him alpharius himself never actually talked to
him in the first place i'm pretty sure because at dinner he wasn't alpharius and then it didn't
really specify if it was alpharius or not who knows man so they get to this planet which uh name i
didn't write down apparently but there was it was it's this dead uninhabitable planet but it has a
300 kilometer diameter circle that has a habitable habitable airspace for human beings it's not very
nice still it's very rainy and wet and gross and they just this is yeah yeah basically
and then these and it's all this is like weird cube stones is the structure and there's like
xenos fish guts everywhere so it's probably an ocean before they uh kind of hollowed it out for
the humans to get there so they land the geno five and a bunch of other guys to kind of secure the
areas and john grammatikus was staying on the ship with alpharius because he was bringing them here
but he was locked in a cell this entire time john grammatikus was trying to influence uh pito sonica
and sonica knew this and he tricks grammatikus into thinking that he influenced him but the
alpha legion actually like made us they couldn't be influenced and then the other uh ruxanna's lady's
name was a lady that grammatikus fell in love with she also pretended to be like abused and
like mentally destroyed from the alpha legion interrogations and she manipulated john grammatikus
as well to bring them to the site of the cabal because grammatikus needed to be there first to
open the way basically for the cabal uh and so they get him there and then he kind of has the
cabal real themselves and then sonica is like oh we tricked you and then all the alpha legionaries
space marines kind of appear out of nowhere it's actually pretty cool they uh they sneak up on the
cabal which has been the sneakiest organization so far uh the cabal is not too pleased because
they didn't want to fight but they say fine like as long as we can talk then it's good enough
alpharius and omega on agree to talk to them and it's the real of failure alpharius omega on
at least it says it doesn't it says it doesn't say that there's someone else so it's safe to
assume that is probably them uh but this is the most this is the yeah more important pivotal part
of the alpha legion lore and it is cool so they bring them on to their giant flying saucer that
kind of disappears from nowhere and the farseer of the uh cabal shows them this like weird
rectangular mirror thing um what is it called holy frick the acuity is called the acuity
and they bring in alpharius and omega on they bring in sheer who is a cykher and they bring in
sonica just a regular human being so that they can all have different perspectives on it they also
the call knew about alpharius and omega on and they call them when they asking to speak to the
primark they asked to speak to the whole primark which implies further that alpharius omega are
further that alpharius omega are actually one person like they they share a soul basically
so they bring them into this wacky alien place and they show them the acuity and in this vision
on the acuity which is the future according to them they show them the horse heresy basically
exactly how it's going to play out um and then they present two options horse wins um but he
still has a tiny bit of redemption left in him and in his shame he destroys everything he destroys
humanity and along with it chaos dies uh and the galaxy is saved basically they show him the golden
throne as well if the emperor wins which is stagnation seizes the imperium and uh it will
seek to perpetuate itself over and over again across thousands of years but it will decay slowly and
surely and gradually allow chaos to seep back in and consume it so it's not two pretty bad options
but one option has the destruction of chaos the other option has uh humanity's slow agonizing
death over tens of thousands of years uh the primarks originally refuse but then they're
showing exactly what happens basically if the emperor wins um in the acuity and omega and
alpharius like scream and they're freaked out and it literally the the vision kills she or the
slyker poor guy um then the primarks stare at each other they just look into each other's eyes
longingly and see maybe they're yeah maybe they're communicating psychically you know
you know that's how they communicate brah i promise that's how they talk is just the
connie name is connie making out with connie uh um but in the ends they both agree there is a
theory that omegon stays loyal to the emperor but at the time they seemingly agree and i don't think
they can really trick each other because they're like literally connected by souls so it's really
they make the horrors heresy books make it seem like they're fighting each other but i'm not
entirely sold on it i think well is it dan when dan abner was asked about it he says like they
asked like why did they agree to do it and he says it's mostly like with what the alpha legion do is
they will play along with something to learn more about it so they were probably thinking we need to
play into this this horrors heresy thing is going to happen slash chaos is going to corrupt the
imperium whether we like it or not but if we play a little bit into it we maybe can influence the
outcome more so that's kind of the shit for everyone to be fair would you really trust the
clandestine xenos organization that just goes check out my funky mirror and say okay you can
kind of see the future but you're only telling me there's two options there could be other ones
liars liar liar pants on fire i'm the alpha legion i'm very unfortunate because the cabal
is basically never mentioned again i'm pretty sure is there any books where they talk about it again
i think yeah like murdered oh okay well that's our boy eldrad and a loyalist word bearer hunting
them he's an aric yeah he's like i've got like a word bearer sniper henchman and he just goes like
can you like hitman all of the cabal he's like i don't care as long as i get to kill logar it's
like cool fair enough that sounds like a sick book i've never heard of that he really appears randomly
he at one point he gets like he goes to nocturne because he's got to kill uh uh vulcan with the
fulgarite and stuff and he gets to nocturn there's one point where he gets trapped by lava in a cave
he's like well i guess i'll die and then eldrad just appears he's like no i could save you but
you've got to be like my henchman he's like i'll get on with it let me out come on i'll do it fine
never heard of this he's one of the most annoying plot threads because like oh we've got like
uh he's not a loyalist word bearer he just hates logar and where his legion have gone so he kills
loyalists as well as traitors and it's like whatever happened to that guy gone um remembered
empire book where gilliman and lion and sanguineous make their own second imperium and he was he's
there to help with something he's like he gets randomly captured by the ultramarines and put in
prison then he escapes and then he's like is that a word barrier what's he doing here it's the same
guy he also i'll give this man some credit he uh was taken there by two uh you guys aren't gonna
believe this i was reading a horus heresy book which one is crazy unremembered empire ah it's
good actually it's good uh and uh like if i think it was the same guy he he was taken there by two
other word bearers who were possessed he's all right thank you for the ride and then he shoots
them yeah he just kills the ride and he goes all right bye so you know again to be fair they were
they were about to kill him so you know evens out yeah he's a cool character and we never hear about
him ever again yeah wow also eldred in that book uh was horrifying that was john grammaticus he was
walking around like after the cabal nonsense and then he just was like he goes to a bar like i need
i need some food i need to recuperate and then time stops and eldred's just there and uh mr
perpetual is like i can't die but i think i'm about to i feel like that's about to get put to the test
how long is the john grammaticus video dropping oh it's honestly never no no no you do do the video
but please ask dreadon on to voice all of his parts it would be a man it's difficult because
he's like he's a lot in these cedar terra books as well he's like he's in so many i mean if everyone
doesn't mind the spoiler if everyone doesn't want a spoiler for the end of his story or his will
he he explodes no at the last time we see him he is like he's been traveling through time
creating tears using a feather of sanguineous like that sounds absurd it sounds like marvel
dcu god I hate that okay okay very briefly because in the past basically there's like red threads
style things that like show them how to get through the ventral spirit and they realize like by the
time they get to the end him and alana's person they go oh the reason we had like this wayblock
is that one of us he was like a one was went back in time slashed basically made the map
for us so he's like i better go do that thing um time to stop Thanos guys i'm just imagining you
know that dan abner isn't it isn't it because he's in the end of the death all the time as well yeah
he didn't want to think i was just killing yeah i was just imagining you know that marvel
intro is like with the big text and just says grammatikus and it just him winking at the camera
in all the different reflections like go away john we hate you i'm so excited to finally there's an
old world book and it's gonna open with fucking john grammatikus completely lost or or phoenix
is brought back to reunite with god he's like oh how is this possible it's good
travel so he can live as long as he needs to for the plot because he at the end of at the end of
the legion book he kills himself but i mean he comes back because he's you know grammatikus bro
kills vulcan with a full garage like chill out john jeez yeah speaking of dudes fighting primarchs
though we we have we do have we have like 10 minutes left of alpha legion lore even that
so they see the vision alpharius says everything i do from this point is for the emperor um and
then they beam up to the imperial fleet and kill everybody the beta which is one of the ships of
the alpha legion they don't name their ships they just give them the designation uh turns on the
fleet starts blowing things up and the alpha which alpharius had told lord namadira was on
other business was actually on the other side of the planet which why like i don't know why they
have to sell all these lies to their supposed allies at the time when it comes around
and shoots them all alpharius beams up to the uh to lord namadira's ship he fights the lucifer
black guard that namadira has lucifer blacks are very cool by the way and the head guy chain actually
wounds alpharius he gets a hidden which is pretty neat um and then alpharius like has a freaking
megatron moment he says that's all you'll get and then tears him in half and he just dies um and then
then he kills namadira uh and then namadira says why are you doing this and the book ends
with alpharius saying for the emperor maybe yeah and then jongle madacus kills himself uh
but it's more it's more like it's more like a reset it's just like i want to respawn
yeah he just turns up somewhere else which is cheating yep uh forget about me gender
manikus i should also i should also mention it would feel so empty without me just every time
the whore is harris he gets like quite good he's like oh piss off job yeah she also mentioned
nerth uh the nerthing campaign was kind of at the same time as the ulunor campaign so i don't know
how much of the alpha legion was at ulunor if any but most of them were probably at nerth at the
time but they're also everywhere so who who knows i don't know i know alpharius sent uh delegates
to the war master ceremony he didn't show up himself he was busy doing alpha legion stuff
uh but yeah they were the most actually so i forgot to mention namajira was about to send
a message like a missive to tera uh like a complaint about the alpha legion that they were
like treasonous basically and that they had to like be brought to heel because you can't really
blame them at this point all that alpharius has done is lie to him and they like haven't really
really even helped in this in this war like it's so yeah it's legion is a very good book though
the geno 5 chili had a really cool uh they have like these they have like psychic heads known as
uxors and stuff read the book read it's the only good alpha legion book that you'll ever get so
just read it okay don't read pre-torn as orn don't read deliverance lost just read legion
the end yeah yeah also there's our amelius dinat's a guy i don't know he was never a guy
into the primarch book he was just in the horus harrisseek tabletop but had zero lore for a really
long time well that's the thing every every character video i've done on the smaller alpha
legion characters like they were there once he's the hell master so and so i added a comment on
one of my videos on armor steel at like no that's actually this other character i'm like
that whole thing is they're supposed to look identical what do you mean that's a different
character the other legion are really cool if you read legion though like i might be making them
sound silly but it's actually there is there is also like a weird interaction between um alpharius
and leman ross at a banquet in one of the books and he's all like ha if i didn't know any better
you're so sneaky i'd think there's two of you and alpharis is like that'd be crazy wouldn't it
and then the wolf king's like ah this guy's sneaky i like him he's crazy that's crazy to my
knowledge alpharius's only real buddies are basically just horse right does anyone else
actually friends with him i think ferris manis is okay with him because they fought i think the iron
warrior tolerates and ferris man doesn't have any friends apart from fulgrum he's just like yeah
but gilman hates them i know gilman not a big fan his tactics yeah conrad doesn't like him
i don't know what the line thinks he's a weirdo because he was that first interaction
a lot of the primarchs just say like that he's dishonorable and like you're too sneaky and stuff
and and he's sure like my little brother's weird yeah that's yeah i guess i can say that alpharius
and omega and are quite short for primarchs and the alpha legion space brains are very
large for space brains so it lets them blend in a lot better they kind of fit they met in the middle
yeah but uh the lucifer black who have wounded alpharius could actually tell the difference
between all the alpha legionnaires which was pretty cool because the to the untrained eye
they all look identical but there's a lot of someone else does that oh john does that
the john literally talks to an alpha legionary he goes i'm alpha it's like no you're not you
don't look like alpharius it's like huh it's like that's at the beginning of the book doing weird
stuff stop it at the beginning of the book the first alpha legionary that they see is shows up
at like this outpost and her title bronzies the headman there and he's like he's taking a pee
uh and he's about to like head out with his troops even though he's not supposed to and the alpha
legion there shows up like right behind him while he's taking a pee and tells him to not go anywhere
you guys need help and bronzy bronzy challenges him uh and the alpha legionary says that he admires
his balls which is not something you'd often hear you know on a start you say in most of these
pardon me and then bronzy says they're only out because i'm pissing basically and it's a funny
little exchange but then bronzy turns around and like asks his name and the guy says i am
alpharius and then bronzy freaks out and then the alpha legions disappears no you can't you don't
get to just did you mean what what do you what no like like like bronzy is brave and then the
alpha legionary says that he admires his balls like for being brave all right what on you or
a very different direction that i just like the idea because i'm pissing so for a minute like i
i thought like hey man hey man nice uh but yeah we may as well from a pharise yeah legion is how
all the alpha legion books should have been if they did it all like that it would have been amazing
and awesome yeah uh but they did yeah i mean you gotta give it to dan abner then if you want it
that kids it's a good book although there was a lot of it was a lot it was kind of every time
there was a woman character he would describe how big their breasts were like yeah it's very
it's a little creepy i'm going to describe their figure to an alarming extent trope yeah it does
that a lot thing is i the thing i find frustrating about the alpha legion is whenever then in the
horus heresy books they do an alpha legion style thing and then the only way to counter them is to
do an even more alpha legion yeah the problem is it's like we're gonna do something even the alpha
legion doesn't it's like oh how'd you do that match yeah that's the problem the alpha legion are so
like they're they've written themselves to be so perfectly and like extremely high iq that no author
is anywhere near as smart as an alpha legionnaire would actually be and you have to be as intelligent
as the character to actually write the correct ploys so it just yeah their ploys and things can
only be as smart and well written as the author is smart even unfortunately even roguedawn in the
in the soda war is like i expected you to do this maneuver that you didn't expect me to know that
you expected me to know the entire praetorian of dawn book is just like oh dawn saw this coming how
yeah because like it's so stupid i did wall man wall man saw thing yeah well there are any slight
issues like their tactics are like they are superior but then also a lot of things have to go well
to like to put it all off and there's only there's always something where it's like something didn't
go perfectly they still kind of win but it's like yeah they do crazy stuff like in praetorian of
dawn they infiltrate the imperial palace and blow up the primarch statues yeah and then for the rest
of the book they just fumble everything somehow because dawn saw it coming or even that time when
the alf the shattered legions are fighting the alpha legion and then alpharius happens to be there
and he's like ah my plans are in but i'm here and then nicona sharracans they're like are we good
you he's like i don't know if you want to do you want to throw down he's like no good stay put and
that like they just have that um smug anything you can do i can do better attitude and the only
reason they fail is because i out sneaky the sneaky yeah but that's why legion is so nice because you
don't really it's hard to know what their motives are and there's a lot of secrets that you don't
actually like understand but it's not a book about the alpha legion trying to win it's just about the
alpha legion doing alpha legion things so they don't have to like make it this big ploy and make
it so that the other guys the protagonists and the antagonists have to win or lose a certain way
yeah uh it's just you know those um laser beams in the sky end of the fate of the entire world blows
it's like no it's just a contained small story which seems to be the case that all the best
stories are little micro stories that don't have massive stakes beautiful that's why i was telling
these guys they shouldn't they just they should have just done more great crusade books instead
of horse heresy books because the great crusade books are so enjoyable yes uh the last thing is
if people get confused really about why the alpha legion kind of betrayed the imperium again it's
like the whole playing along thing and then it's a slight thing of they believe the emperor would
want them to like save the universe and sacrifice all of mankind rather than sacrifice the entire
universe so they believe the so this it's for the emperor they do it as in like their loyalty they
all still stay for the emperor throughout the horse all i'm saying is they couldn't just go
dad can we chat for a minute something really weird happens yeah they could do that when there
was no conflict going on chromaticus is dogma kiss met the emperor because of course he did
and he like shakes the emperor's hand and he like sees like the most horrible terrible person you
could ever imagine like blood soaked warlord basically and is like you're gonna destroy the
galaxy the moment he meets him every time valdor stabs someone though just hears tyrant flash in
his mind yeah basically to be fair that that messaging is not uncommon to go with the emperor
as a monster as long as valdor has the dianysian spirit like when he stabs out he slices abaddon's
hand and he sees his destiny and he just says to spoiler and he drops the spear like the only time
a custodian's ever wantingly dropped a weapon because he's just like uh no yeah i do not like
what you're getting turned into the emperor is not a super nice guy but no he's maybe a little bit
better than the chaos gods though yeah yeah i'm not gonna disagree on that point i would just
like the bar to be slightly higher chaos we're the good guys playing people alive and sacrificing
them in like are you sure that doesn't look good guy to me yeah i think i don't know if i was
super clear the alpha legion joined chaos so the chaos could win and extinguish humanity
because without humanity chaos would die and it is or a chorus like a snack eating its own tail
that's very alpha legion if i if i remember correctly before the horus aries chaos was not
nearly as influential on the universe they basically use the primarchs as a means to get
into reality kind of kind of head where and kind of before they were they were a lot less malevolent
seeming like the nerfing where chaos calls and they were just like they're just like regular people
i think there was a moment where one of them says like uh god be with you to jonka manicus
but it literally translates to something like may the primordial powers consume your soul
something like that yeah i don't you know it's neat one last last day behavior uh the emperor
and marco only told one primarch about chaos and it's very heavily hinted it was yeah well it was
also al faris al faris knew he was already talking to namajir about chaos but the cabal yeah the cabal
was explaining it or jonka manicus whatever was explaining it how like al faris understood it as
like a child would understand it uh but he did know about it whereas all the other primarchs didn't
didn't know about it tell magnus because the emperor is a silly silly little guy silly little
guy magnus did not know magnus did not know the consequences of his hand in the same way like
cardwood to an extent like he thought he was better than it well like even when he was like
a child he was in he was the only con primarch in contact with the emperor during his crusading
and he's all like dad i met a guy in the world and he's like you what you what oh there was
just like this goofy goober in the world he's like oh dear um we have to have the talk is
don't go too far into the into the wall don't talk to strangers magnus when you're going
does the emperor ever explain why he doesn't tell the kids about chaos is there an actual
explanation yeah it's basically he's trying to safeguard them from falling because he's like
if you know about it you're susceptible to learn more about it which means you'll fall quicker
whereas if i keep it away from you you'll also score that he's true ish fast enough to yes he
he's like if we can like if we can suffocate the life out of chaos before it's a problem
everyone's happy and then it's like oh no oh no the demons are coming through the walls
oh it seems like bad chaos wasn't really the problem it was the followers of chaos
error was the issue oh yeah but if they knew about it and they knew not to touch it then
i think i think that in the future we should train nuclear power plant operators by not telling them
what happens if you don't follow safety protocols basically there is a there is an element though of
like any parent would know like you tell your kid don't do something they do it as quickly as
possible but you tell your kids don't do drugs but every parent tells their kid no not even that
you tell your kid don't walk in a highway that's what this one is and then you know what the kids
say actually i think i will do that because i'm going through things yeah what do they do over
there in england i've never done that every parent tells their kid don't do drugs kids like that's
and what do they do drugs that's what they do like 10 years old what the emperor should have done was
make the cringy like youth pastor um like american video where it's like oh celibacy yeah yeah yeah
we are psychology them or as they say in some places isn't it like the parent buys a ring and
the child is married to the parent spiritually it's weird uh but that's the thing um that's a
lot of law but just realizing christ it was yeah yeah should we should we go through the donations
and then question of the week yes we had quite a few don't know i think set for five bucks i can't
insult you all the five head does it for me there it is john hudson for five bucks i know it's late
but if cathonia is chicago nostromo is gary indiana i think i should know indiana um bunny
got a few bucks uh going back to work in the rain thank you brother uh bean again for five
and our legionary of our legionnaire was sitting on the golden throne the whole time and nobody
noticed we're gonna be surprised at this point don't bring up the avenging sun is actually
alpharius theory we won't tolerate it uh caleb collins for two bucks uh collin was omegon all
along or after all hairline for proof wow thank you i would like i would like to reiterate once
again we are the winners of all the insults because you are paying the money to do it this is uh
thank you very much 10 bucks glad to glad to catch one as it's been a while now to go with video
what's your favorite second and eleventh legion theories i know gw will never give answers but
it's straighter than alphalete before yeah it is um i think there's some compelling evidence to
suggest the soul drinkers are descendants of theirs because they have the soul spear and then the soul
spear was apparently roger dawn's weapon but the imperial fist can't use it which means it can't
be his weapon it's like i'm gonna read that omnibus soon no spoilers good uh they are the
purge and the forgotten isn't it that's the end so i haven't looked at theories for them forever
in the imperial fist and ultramarine so it makes sense they could be
intakes from the lost legions in the imperial vest yet what's your on is my eleventh legion
uh it says sorry rewrite just ignore the previous one as it's just a real discussion don't worry
brother got the end i still got to catch one after so long and i hope you guys are doing well good to
see you again brother i hope you enjoy the stuff document you were saved for five bucks how is the
imperium secundus stuff also known as chondra and conrad's excellent adventure uh he doesn't he does
my man is unstoppable on that he has such a headache for them uh tom warren for five bucks um you know
who also needed to go back in time to set up what they were doing your poetry they rhyme you know
uh cinac eight for five bucks have read the new alpha legion book shroud of night question mark
it's just them with eff with eff it we ball energy i think andy just i haven't i've i read it a couple
years ago the calm i'm getting through it i've seen one yeah with like the star child or something
i'm getting i read a couple years ago and i vaguely remember it it was pretty neat
see what dynamic does with that scene uh dr serious i mean that's new but i think that's new
five serious serious black uh five bucks if traitors are against everything the imperium stands for
does that mean they fulfill colin's dream of top decking and wrecking their elder wife
well what the hell uh some of them some of them do console resinos but they still hate them usually
uh as a coin i'm maximus decius manus i may i may worship satan but i would never talk to an alien
some of the values of your uh two bucks what's up pookies i just wrote up from my nap well
you're good you're finally awake um oh you're finally awake uh enjoying the fibers the fiber
being binging the podcast over the last days you guys have saved my sanity first time catching the
stream good to see you brother uh colin i hope you aren't catching too many strays and the rest of
your having a good one best hammer car it's been a pretty pretty nice it's been pretty calm uh
we have to rally into call his name call his name is sorry it's maximus decius manus very
crazy it's like deus ex machina no you're just like yes i said is it maximus decius meridius
it's like when americans say aluminum so you missed out a few syllables there mate where are
these letters coming from where are you pulling them from latin isn't it decius maximus again
oh i say decius i meant deus sorry i'm going straight into the um maximus decius meridius
is the yeah yeah you're being mean uh yesterday i discovered trench crusade i am in love i might
do some videos i'm glad that it didn't end up staying caught in garbage twitter crossfire like
it was for a bit uh we do have a question of the week as well from previous we missed lots
of we forgot yeah we speak dj beast comment for a second uh it's a how joke oh oh of course how
pulling these letters from his ass like pineapple and fire hydrants good man the dude is how how
can make a pineapple disappear that's his thing i didn't i didn't need the pineapple disappear
okay jesus christ now you see it now you don't uh how much money though how much money for you
do you guys do it though that's the big question you know what you know i think it's a lot less
money than you willing to admit and that's the funny thing how am i gonna get it in there
okay hang on hang on hang on i i gotta do some research i think like so almost like so
all right millions in the chat now i reckon it'll be in the hundreds of thousands now look
people pineapple
can be five to six inches wide it's spiky human anus can stretch up to seven inches gosh man
make sure you turn it upside down it's doable
it's prickly really is made you're all fucking blind
but thank you for only for fixing that and putting one out 300k appreciate that brother
uh we did have a previous answer isn't it for the question we did oh my god it was uh
how did alpharix make the pineapple disappear that's the real question hashtag stretch
but no the last question of the week was you know what makes you rage
uh dj beast was the first one and i i actually i like this one he's finally on my side for
something uh hashtag rage the fact that the best faction of the game the exodites have no lore or
models it's elves riding dinosaurs for pizza real real very real uh the next one uh at bean
four five oh nine bean bean bean is back uh hashtag rage the fact that nobody is forced
to bite the curb yet characters never died i don't know type is inspired that much hate in everyone
but uh and iowa uh iowa 7631 hashtag rage no felonid cat girl models okay thank you thank you
iowa when my grandkids arrive and um elder scroll six finally comes out the kushii is gonna make a
lot of you never see and then set with one more dono uh two bug yeah colin you're right but i'm
happy to pay anyway well fair enough that's your soul marathi likes pineapples hashtag trench no
that's a stretch i'm going to see the trend bro i'm we gotta let's get a new donation goal everyone
let's get like a hundred dollars to send hal a bunch of those books that are just like one word
per page let's get this guy prescription glasses and then all of us some you know rogaine or whatever
that hair deal was was our new question of the week we had one as well yeah um super we we came
up with the idea of um hashtag allegiance i believe it was like are the alpha legion
traitor or are they loyalists discuss and you can make up a reason why they are each yeah yeah
i think the alpha legion had a very riveting discussion on you know what the hell's going on with those guys
i love the alpha legion i think the alpha legion are traitors and it's it's mostly the bald thing
because gw don't know any other way to indicate like the guy has terrible intentions even the hair
abandoned him like that's their only thing they've got really going about that i think in this i must
admit i don't think they're going to take the the fact that one of their primarchs was killed by
regular dawn lying down i think after that point they're like screw it we don't care anymore you
killed our dad you suck you suck i hate you was it a week oh yeah one of the one of those primarchs
is still alive he was but now we've you know what omega was gilliam and dot yeah omega was gilliam
and okay okay they're both dead no no you put those fingers down they're both dead
okay if everyone made it this far by the way uh thank you so much for watching we obviously have
merch as well so you want to get you represent your crime it's actually law crime uh we have our links
in the descriptions and all that stuff on our channels uh or the channel um we finally dragged
colin through the great crusade and now kicking and screaming begin after this will be well
eventually we will cover the entire timeline of the horrors heresy probably going through each
legion at a time i think we need to give colin a bit of a break because he will cry like two years
of content i think colin is gagging for damnation of pythos law my love well
so bear in mind um bear in mind eli like a good third of the horrors heresy books are like uh
anthologies so they don't i was about to say colin looks like an anthology man
he he looks like he's gagging for an anthology you know what i really like i really liked the
one with the thunder warrior what was it called uh oh rhythm uh about the ribbon hound um
endred har i don't know what the book was called it was where the world eater escapes from prison
and kills in a custodians with his bare hands there's that one oh yeah the other i'm cast in
outcast ed yeah mechanic him's also a really good one we need to do the mechanicus uh
civil war sometime too yeah i think coming up a lot more will probably be a bit more
fantasy now that we've done some great crusade i like the abyss book oh that one not because it's
good i just like the funny world eater who's just confused and lost and just kind of shows up
randomly strolls a real one yeah one of two yeah uh finishing my favorite bible passage
that was it samuel dances in front of the lord with all his might uh thank you so much for watching
and listening uh we'll catch you guys all very soon thank you for the donations and we'll
see you soon peace bye bye