INTRO MUSIC
Hello everyone! Oh hello, it's LoreCrimes! Whee!
Evening, afternoon, gentlemen.
Gaming.
Who's moist for some elf lore?
Don't preempt it, Hal. Before we get started, because I promised on the second channel,
which I launched last week, that I have now revealed my face, no longer am I a hidden
lore criminal. I am now on camera. And this is me. So hello everyone.
Andy.
Who the hell is that?
Imposter Professor Oak.
No. Yeah. How is everyone? We all good?
I'm ready for this. Age of Sigmar has been teasing me with those glorious vermin lord
models. I'm just over here. As of time recording, there's no more Warhammer releases for the
rest of 2024. So that's a good old five or six months out. We're just left with a good
old steaming Koteaz. So I'm ready for Age of Sigmar to fill the gap in my lonely heart.
Well, hell, I've got an honest question that's gonna show my education level. What is it?
Koteaz.
Koteaz. The Inquisitor.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Stormcast Inquisitor.
I always, I just in my mind, I just call him Cortez.
I did not get corrected. So bad.
Wait, what?
Someone corrected me. I called him Koteaz on one of my Lionel Johnson videos, because
he shows up at the end of Arcs of Omen and someone corrected me instantly. Yeah, pain.
The bed is also made by the way. This is made.
Made ish.
It's made around the dog.
Right off. You can kind of see your feet. The bottom.
Oh, Doug.
Just for a little preface here, we are obviously talking about Age of Sigmar today here, boys.
There are some, one of us is very excited about elf lore, elf simp.
The first video I ever watched of Collins years ago, when years ago, it sounds weird,
when Andy asked us if we all wanted to join together for another channel just for fun.
And we were like, hell yeah, that sounds like fun. The first video of Collins I watched,
the first thing I saw was an Idnef Deacon one that was it the elf, Idonef, the Idonewsie
or something?
I was probably involved.
I still enjoyed your 40k face reveal where you just had like spicy, was it chicken nuggets?
That was miserable. That was hell.
You were to say, your mates going, hey, I'm on like number seven. Fuck you.
Yeah, it's because they puked twice during that.
Oh no.
Speaking of a discarded batch there. Oh, just for preface, the question we were done at
the end of the episode, but today we're going to go straight into ages sigma lore.
Before we do that, should we quickly mention the donations we've had before we start? Cause
we're going to be doing that in 20 minutes or so. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah. So the first
one we got is from bloody shirt music. Take shot every time the word elf or elves is saying.
You're going to die.
And another one from bloody shirt. He also gifted one lore crime membership. Thank you
very much.
Thank you.
Beastman from Sweden for sec. He said that face needs some money for an edit. Oh, thank
you.
Oh, this is the guy who was like, he knows a lot about warm a fancy, doesn't he? This
is our resident fantasy expert.
Indeed. Well, thank you, Shane. He said very nice things.
Colin does look very handsome today. The beard is looking good.
I do need to go to the barber though. It's getting a little bit out of hand. It's harder
to see on the, you know, the, the $20 face camera I have for when I needed one for zoom
classes.
I must admit beards. Mine always gets lopsided. So I have to like pull it. Cause otherwise
when you have a pointy beard, it goes one side, not the other gravity is not your friend.
If, if, if mine could just grow like an inch higher up my face regularly than it does,
I would never need to shave again.
So you don't shave the cheeks? No, I do. I'm saying like, if it could just like, it's
like, and here like more consistent, like all the way up to here would never.
Do you have like the thing where it goes like just this, there's a gap next to the.
There's like little grows here. It's not a style thing. And then I realized it's not
a style thing. That's just, whereas mine just like,
you know, it, it just grows like that, which is infuriating. Cause I want my
Bro the, the, the temptation to immediately shave into like a buzz cut, grow a long beard
and get swole for no apparent reason and forget all responsibilities. But we do have a responsibility
today though.
Indeed.
We are talking about some ages, sigma law, and this is the eidneth deep kin. I'm not
really going to go into it because Collins primed up and ready to explain everything
about this. If you are kind of new to ages, sigma law, you're wondering why there's also
space Marine two gameplay. That's cause it's just come out and it's good. It's really good
cause why not? It's there. And I've got to, I've got to show off how good I am playing
as a size of the emperor heavy. So subway servers, 20 levels, 20. We're going to, we're
going to get a, another video about that. Not, not a, not a full reveal of what we're
doing. Just a little, just a little teaser about space Marine too. I have complaints.
Yes. We hit. Yes. It's an eight out of 10 that's missing the eight. And I will say no
more.
We, we have some pre-recorded stuff coming out for all people. We saw some comments about
people who miss it. We're doing it again. We're trying to get a nice balance of community
chatting, but also pre-release pre-recorded stuff. So like we're trying, we're still trying
to get our balance.
BJB's just called me Chicago bricky. I'll, you know what? I'll take that.
That is kind of, I'll live with it.
Shout out to anyone who wants to, if they donate high enough, we'll write the donations
on our foreheads. But speaking of people who don't grow beards and have maybe not the biggest
foreheads elves, the elves live again.
It's time to talk about elves while you watch your subway surfers footage.
So I didn't that deep kin is what we're talking about today. They're, you know, I know many
people's opinions on elves, but with, with the deep kin, I think, I think, I do think
people look on them a bit more kindly because the ocean is cool. You know, the ocean's awesome.
That's sharks are awesome. If that's what it takes for people to like elves, then by
God, I will accept that. But unfortunately, in order to talk about the Ida net deep kin,
we have to go to the end times first briefly, but it has to be done.
So while the end times were happening, the last Elven God, Mathlon to will be devoured,
he's the God of the sea, took some of his faithful took whatever souls of else he could
find and hit away under, you know, under the sea. What is it? 40,000 leagues under the
sea or whatever, trying to keep him hidden. And he was the last holdout. But when the
whole world's getting devoured, you're going to get down there eventually. And sure enough,
him and all the else he sequestered away were devoured by smash, which is, as you can guess,
a bit of a traumatic experience with that. You know, world blows up, yada yada yada.
You've heard me complain about the end times enough. We eventually get to age of Sigmar
times, the age of myth, where Tyrion, Teclis, Malekith, his name is now Malarian, but no
one ever calls him that his name is Malekith and Marathi just started beating the hell
out of Sinesh to make her puke up back all those old elf souls, which to be fair, was
pretty successful. She was trapped. And thanks to their efforts, a little bit of Zinch was
involved in that, but mostly their efforts. It was mostly the elves. Zinch saw a chance
to weaken part of the great game and was like, hey elves, she's over there. And that was
kind of the extent of his influence. And once they trapped her and took out some trauma
over their world blowing up on her a bit, they started taking elf souls out of her.
The first were the Aynadiqen. The word is C-Y-T-H-A-I. If anyone has any pointers on
how to say that, I say Ka-Thai. But if anyone has any ideas, I got a shrug.
Oh, how do you spell that? C-Y-T-H-A-I.
Sakai? Yeah.
I say like Ka-Thai. But I have no idea.
It's a word. It's a C-T-I, isn't it? It's like Sa-Thai?
That's maybe. I feel like Cyan. So it would be like Sakai.
Or Sa-I-T-S-I-T-S. Yeah.
I say Ka-Thai. There's plenty of other ways to say it. It's a fake Warhammer word for
elves. So however you want to say it.
Sorry, don't you mean A-Elves now? No, I mean elves.
I'm pretty, I'm 100% confident that GW no longer calls them elves.
No, they call them A-Elves. Yeah.
But I'm, you can add an A to the front of the word elves all you want. I'm calling them
what they are. It's an elf. These were, these were the first ones, you
know, Teclis dragged out of Sinash though. And he, you know, he started about doing what
he would then keep trying to do until we eventually got the Lumineth, which was recreate the old,
the old high elves. He taught them about the old world a little bit, their gods, being
like, all right, I know a little bit of Cain is still around. I think Assyrian was a little
bit in Sinash. They're kind of still a little bit around a little bit. He's doing everything
he can to recreate the high elves to the best of his abilities.
Problem is they, like I said, being in Sinash is a bit of a traumatic experience. They were
very withdrawn. They were clearly traumatized. They were resentful. They weren't opening
up with Sinash or like about what had happened or up to Teclis or Tyrion or anyone really.
And Teclis was like, you know, he would interview them and try and find out, except he's a god
and apparently he's, he's gotten a little bit less afraid to throw his weight around,
I guess, as it were. So when some of his-
Small question. So when they dragged the souls out of Sinash, are these like essentially
high elves and dark elves that like reincarnated or they literally like they have memories
of like the old world and then they're dragged into this new setting, which is like nothing
that they recognize.
They're for the most part like reincarnated. There are a couple that have some like memories,
for example, Tharion. He's back with Illumineth. He I believe he does remember being Eltharion
the Grim.
So he's like a special case there, but they're not Idoneath yet though. They're just elves.
At this point, yeah, they're not like the proper, this group of elves will become the
Idoneath, but at this point they're just kind of elves.
Idoneath for the discussion's sake.
Yeah. Although I think some of them might theoretically, at least the ones initially
at this point, they were taught about the old world and some of them might've had flashes
of memory like some of the Stormcast Eternals do. So I think it stands to reason some of
the Idoneath might've, but for reasons we'll get into, you don't hear about most of those
stories because of what happens to them. So we'll, we'll get into that.
But yeah, Teclis trying to deal with them was a made some of them go a little bit insane.
So they withdrew even more. And at one point they, they just all became just afraid for
their lives because Teclis's therapy tended to end up with a corpse when he was done.
So like he wasn't trying to kill them. He was trying to figure out where he went wrong,
but it was kind of like viewing the entire future Idoneath populace as a lab experiment,
for lack of a better word. So when he tried to correct something with a being soul that,
you know, most people don't live that kind of thing.
But they didn't turn out the way that he wanted them to be. So he kind of ended up inadvertently
treating them. Yeah. Terribly.
He wanted the, his glorious like image of what the high elves were in his mind. And
he got a bunch of elves that had the mother of all PTSD.
Damn. Yeah. Not great. At one point they all decided these Sithai, whatever that word is
at this point, we got to go. We're, we're leaving. So they fled into the ocean of the
mortal realms, which along the way they stole a lantern from Teclis. That's a magical lantern
that he, it helped him draw souls from Slaanesh because they felt that if Teclis still had
that they might be able to find, or he might be able to find where they fled to. So they
just nicked it on the way out. Teclis for his part was going to kill all of them for
this. No holds barred. He was just going to kill all of them. But Tyrion, you know, he's
cooled down a bit since between settings and he was like, Hey, maybe you can hold off on
that. Maybe don't kill all of these elves for the sake of, you know, them not turning
out how you want it. Which uh...
Remarkably restrained for the less angry brother.
Yeah. For the guy who pulled the sword of Cain, a remarkable restraint.
That really is like the guy who's like the least sensible of the group telling you like
you need to calm down. And so you've really gone too far. So he's like, damn.
I like, I like the thing he said a little bit of character development after the end
times. Like maybe, maybe things can be solved.
Not being funny. Imagine like if the apocalypse happened, I'm sure all of us would go through
some sort of growth arc at some point.
Yeah. At some point you're gonna worry. He's going to come up later. Don't you worry.
No, he's not growing. Growing in power, of course, for such as the power of Nagash.
My Nagash grow until I... Tomb King?
I appreciate that.
I also address a comment immediately in the chat. Thank you. This dude is actually on
my case. He says, how getting that I don't have GF tentacle from under the table, brother.
Brother no.
I must say like thank well, it's a fairly new addition to the, to the crew. But every
time we see any of the messages, foul, but great.
Such as the power of thank all in the comment section. Appreciate you brother. Thank you.
You might be wondering why, why is the ocean your first pick for choosing to hide? It,
you know, when it actually does make some sense. Teclis did still teach them, you know,
some magic and stuff before he decided they were on the exterminatus list. So they use
that to help them survive under the sea. Of course, that doesn't quite answer the question
of why that's more so how the reason is to why is because first of all, if you don't
have the magic or you're not suited to surviving down there, ocean pressure tends to kill you.
I mean, what is it? Isn't it like, like, it's like thousands of atmospheres down at like
the bottom of the ocean floor or something.
Enough to give you a minimum a headache. Maximum crush you into a ball.
Yeah, enough to where, yeah, minimum headache maximum. You're not, you're not resurfacing.
I do have a question about the, do they breathe underwater? Do these ones like evolve to breathe
between their magics? And now then like evolving? Yeah, they they breathe underwater. Do they
have to live under the sea? Okay, okay. So they are somewhat land and sea.
Like they attune to it so much like they they're at the point where like, they'll detect like,
like when they're underwater, right, and even kind of above water, because of how some of
their magic works, which we'll get to, they navigate as much by like ocean currents and
changes in pressure compared to like, you know, sight, sound, sight and sound.
They so they're they're pretty well adapted to live down there now. The reason being,
you know, first of all, something tries to go kill them and then the ocean just takes
care of it for them. Ignore all the sea monsters. It's just the pressure of all the water. Second
of all is that the ocean, you know, it very much dampens the senses, right? Like, you
can't hear very well underwater, you can't see very well underwater. You're just kind
of constantly feeling vaguely moist. So you know, just you're in the water, you're wet,
you feel wet.
Me, me listening to a pancreas my work video.
How are you? I appreciate that. But you're also not helping the fan call allegations.
So that actually helps them not only, you know, stay hidden and protected, but less
sensation, less emotion, which means they're not feeding slanish very much either, because
that's still one of their main overarching fears of traumas of we were in slanish for
however infinite amount of time between settings there was. We're not we don't want to feed
her anymore. So ocean help them out with that a lot. Naturally, they also, you know, become
accustomed either magic or just normal taming to, you know, like taming sea life, stuff
like that. You know, all the all the different thousands of stuff you see in the Little Mermaid,
all those animals, they they, you know,
the huge turtle model, the hurdle, my beloved, glorious. My god, there's a there's also the
model where the guy has like the literally the octopus on his shoulder or back with
him. Yeah, he's yeah, he's one of the yeah, that's one of the majors, I think, but my
god, it's like holding a mace to like just one of its tentacles.
Ocean stuff is just so cool, man. Like there's this like if they would do like exodites in
the 40k version for the people aren't aware like exodites are essentially like what I'd
say, Danette are they like a heavily adapted kind of off the grid elder, like covered in
slash or they're like on separate like maiden world, isn't it there when they're in like
separate worlds, and they're a bit more tribalistic. Yeah, and they from the current things I've
seen in the 40k law, they've often been described as like always like very like palm tree esque
slash deep forest style. But if there's obviously depending on the world, it could be a little
bit like an IDF elder version. We so cool. That would be really cool. Or a conversion
opportunity for people who are listening. Or that yeah, take some might enough put them
on a lizardman model and you've got an exodite. Oh, god, don't tell me.
Confort Brammy.
Speaking of item method, this is around the point they started calling themselves the
item that was it mean? Great question. Was it into like the depth of something I do neth
into the depth could be totally honest, like the full name is item that deepkin so the
deepkin part makes sense. I don't know what item that means. I'm going to be fully honest.
But if people in the comments section or in the chat, we have any like extra knowledge
that we have. According to Warhammer community, it means extreme seclusion or desperate measures.
In what world does it mean that I don't understand I in I didn't have to speak.
Oh, bro. Okay. Okay. Thank you, GW. Once again, the naming conventions are not always tell
me what it means to fulminate someone. I mean, ultramarine, but it's not actually the actual
color ultramarine. There's a different shade. Yeah, they're like slightly different blue,
but they're kind of cool. I did I did a very short video on them because they have no law,
but they're kind of kind of cool. Not really, but it's fine. What actual color is the ultramarines?
Ultramarine. Well, they're not like isn't that actually ultramarine blue.
Oh, God. Just got us on that one, Andy. Yeah. Oh, good Lord. Yeah, I did that. Now. They
didn't learn that Tyrion had told Teclis to, you know, chill the hell out. So they stayed
hiding. They rejected, you know, these new gods and they tried to call out to Mathalon
again who was busy being dead in Slaanesh. So that didn't work out. And now they're they've
got no divine aid. They don't really even have a society. So they had to kind of have
to work from the ground up to recreate their own society as best they can. They try and
recreate Mathalon, which they moderate amount of success with. He's not back. But that if
you've seen that model of the dude with the ocean cape that looks unbelievably gorgeous,
it's called an island of Mathalon. So they can call upon some level of power relating
to him.
Because again, it's like with those human in a just like more the war or not in the
war, so like chaos realms to exist in some way they can access and then obviously belief
manifests.
Yeah, that those rules are they're still in a still in play here. So as this happened,
they were finally able to like, all right, we're reasonably safe from Teclis. We've we're
you know, we're alone down here. We're getting used to the ocean. They they also, you know,
looked in and accepted that they might have been a little bit corrupted by Slaanesh, not
necessarily like the, you know, obvious Slaanesh corruption just you spent eons in a chaos
god, you're probably going to come out wrong.
It's like like Drukhari aren't corrupted by Slaanesh, but they look different to like,
not like regular like craft world Eldar in some way, there's something darker about them
and yeah,
like something something is not right. And sure enough, there were two problems. One
is called Malachy, Malachy, something like that. M-A-L-L-A-C-H-I.
This isn't Malachyth. No, this is not Malachyth, unrelated, which is
Wow, they really, really spread their wings on that one, didn't they?
Who knows? Which is the less like prevalent problem, because this only happens to a couple
of them. But when it does happen, it is a it's basically the Black Rage. It just happens
sometimes to some of the item F, very few of them. It's just it, it starts as the Black
Rage and then ends in, I believe, quote, savage debauchery. So not pleasant. But again, it
doesn't happen that often. There's no cure for it. Kind of like the Black Rage and unless
you're Mephiston, it just happens. And when it does, it's like, well, that guy's that
guy's gone now nothing we can do for him.
It's just like the really rarely talked about genesies problem with the Raven Guard where
they get extreme extreme depression. I forget about that. Yeah, I forget that one.
Because they never bring it up. Their default state is moody depression. You can barely
notice. Well, the Raven Guard have moody emo depression,
but then the like Imperial Fists have kind of nihilistic. I don't care. I'll just die.
Yeah, but it's like no longer fun at that point, which is a shame. And to be fair, surely
the ultramarines have like, what would the word be accounting tendencies? That must be
a gene flaw, surely. Like, oh, they're really boring to talk to. But like, they're really
cool. Like with they save me money, but they're also really boring to talk to.
They're very efficient, but they all they talk about is their taxes. That's it.
Speaking of paying some taxes, what a gameplay footage. I'd say it does the controller disconnect
on the screen there.
We didn't have some.
No, that's fine. That's fine. Yes, I'll put them up now. And it is a coffee grounds, Fort
Nighting gifted five law crimes memberships. Thank you very much.
We also have one from Donkeyman USA for fire. Whatever that is, recreate rereading end of
the death. Take a shot every time. Dan Abnett writes dark king.
I'm not sure for a while that did get a little bit great thing. Again, don't do that. You're
going to die.
Parker's son for 10 bucks says when can we expect a Transformers dedicated law crimes
livestream? The new movie is coming out soon. It's arguably has a much bigger impact in
pop culture than Warhammer. Just say that hurts.
That's sad.
Mr. Meal of Bulgarian something being to export subway surface featuring for
he is not wrong. He is not wrong.
We got a Caleb Collins with the two dollars. Teclis screwed up more than Magnus could hope
to. I'm going to just call. Yeah, I thought that's false on that. Hang on. Hang on a minute.
Hang on. That's crazy.
Take this as well. I'm not being funny.
I just did a video on the war on the web wait and I was very clear to be like, Hey, Magnus
screwed up for not just like the war, but for everyone who ever travels through the
war for like 10 millennia. That's bad. Also, I can't see how Teclis can compete with that.
Magnus maybe had a should have just let Tyrion be dead because the flame of Middenheim should
have been. Yeah, should it like reasonably so? Like I get it. I probably would in fact
maybe consider sacrificing a city for my beloved family. But but I think Magnus slightly gets
a bit bigger because he ruined the web way and therefore ruined the entire future of
the human species forever because of that. He also like double dipped like that's also
just rooting the web boy, you know, for the elder and everyone in it. Like he didn't just
like the Drukari. Oh, big whoop. I'm not saying, you know, I don't feel bad for them. You know,
they deserve it. The other elder, like, you know, the harlequin, people like the harlequins
and Magnus double did.
There's a groupie guys is fine. Tom Warfard, Big Turtle mentioned. Whoop whoop. Oh, this
is also a grip on Magnus by the way. He's the demon primarch and has smooth bump between
his legs. He has one of the ones you're going to say that smooth bum bum. And kind of back
up for the 30s quickly. So I don't know the currency love me wet slimy yucky elves, but
seriously, they're very cool. And their depiction in Soul Slayer is very cool and intimidating.
I actually read that book is great. It brackets also they do something that makes me cry.
Hailboy. Wet. I read the books. I might be the smashing badger. The funniest person. She
I didn't she I didn't on my neck to like Dave Kinn. Thank you. Thank you so much. Do you
want to read that column? Sure. Tom Warren. Thank you for the time. I'm leaving my terrible
paying pain in the s job for what will probably be a well paying paid in the s job. Congratulations.
So I'll have more money to digitally throw out my favorite bunch of nerds. Well, that's
much. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations on your new job. So I hope it's less of a
pain in the s but if nothing else, it'll be a more well paying pain in the s. Yeah. What
to live not live to work. Caleb Collins to so Malek is the only elf that doesn't suck
in iOS. We don't know because he doesn't do anything. He called his mom stupid for being
stupid and that was it. Maybe fifth edition will see something hopefully five years time.
Angry humongous for the two parents is II. If I recall correctly, if I recall correctly,
I don't know. You know that there's I, I have successor Imperial fifth successor that becomes
cat is this. Do you remember I was trying from a little life of me to find the sleepy
Marines because that might be what they're talking about. There's some chapter that like
something is wrong with their like circadian node or whatever the thing. Well, yeah, the
Imperial piss, they can't do like the going to hibernate sleep. I can't remember what
it's called, but like most space Marines, they can just be like meditate and then they
go into like, Oh, I can sleep for a hundred years and it's fine. Embirifus can't do that
because gene floor, we would have a sleep sleep for a week. I swear that's a thing though.
It's like there's a chapter where it's like it does work, but also sometimes they just
don't wake up like they can't wake up for hundreds of years. Yeah. Damage. Well, they
like not being funny. The warped can like put you out of action for like a good few
centuries. I was just doing like a bit on like the who was that? I can't remember who
was talking about the tiger claws and it's like they disappeared and they came back and
it's like, it feels like 10 minutes. Like you've been gone for like 300 years. Where
have you been? Yeah. I'm sorry. I didn't know. Speaking of people who've been hiding for
a while. When am I going to make my avocado come back? I'm not how you can see me. You
know, I'm not that big. Not being funny. I had looked at the video and I was like, I
hasn't put up a video in like eight months. I'm like, I understand how he did that. It's
impressive, but it's still like, Whoa, my word. So I thank all again. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Bro's diabolical shirts off Colin. Now, Colin's talking about elves. Let him enjoy
this. One last one. Hb a lot of things for the two BGN IDK about catatonic, but we need
narcoleptic Marine. That'd be funny. Oh, hilarious. The Kibandas mighty shlong of sickness is
a weird that I find snake Morathy more attractive. You know what I'm going to say to that. So
I don't know why you bothered, but I do thank you for the donation. You know what my answer
is? Serpentine brothers escape, evade serpentine left, right, left, right. Get out of there.
It's like bag. I'm not moving. Uh, but speaking of the idea, they've been hiding away. Yeah.
I guess it was me. This is age of myth. Right? This is like, yeah. So this is like, this
is, they've been doing this at this point. This is still early on. Like there's still
the next flaw. They figure out they have, which is, uh, when they have a kid, only one
in a hundred survives past infancy. And that's because as it turns out, 99 out of a hundred
are born with a soul that withers away within days of being, which is a slight issue. So
they tried to fix this. They tried like everything they possibly could, you know, magic, um, like
doing that physical method, anything, uh, which none of it would work for these. Their
children kept being born with again, 99 out of a hundred very withering souls. Is this
a side effect from the slanesh stuff? I assume. Uh, yeah. Like that. And, uh, also, you know,
Teclis not quite making them a hundred percent, right. So it's a bit of a mix. Damn. It really
is Teclis's fault again. Hey, this one, you know what? I'm going to, I'm coming to the
defense again. I'm just going to say it. I think recreating a race from scratch. I think
the fact he got this far was pretty impressive on the first try. The other, the other, the
other gods seemed to be all right. They did it fine. Yeah. Well, the other gods didn't
have a race that was all in slanesh literally. Yeah. Literally. Wow. Yeah. Fair. I'll give
him his, uh, give him his flowers. He had some, he had a harder starting point to work
from. Screw you. Screw all of you. Leave him alone. But they started, uh, so they had
this problem and because, you know, ocean's still a dangerous place. They hadn't completely
tamed all of it. Every now and then a big sea monster just takes a bite. Uh, or an ocean
faring god beast, uh, takes a real big bite. Oh, cause this is, this is the era where like,
there are things that exist in the world, which even give Nagash and Sigmar like trouble.
Yeah. This, this is the era of like, it's like those beings, like the background fluff
will be like Nagash and Sigmar could barely beat them. The chaos gods were wary. Even
if they were around, they would have been wary. The item didn't have any gods to turn
back to. So they, they were still at this point. So with that, there were pretty constant
losses, uh, which is why in addition to the, you know, most of their children not making
it very far, uh, eventually got to the point we are now in age of Sigmar where there's
only one remaining of these Cathai, uh, which is why I didn't, I was saying most of them
don't remember who they were. It's because they're dead, but they, they did find a solution
eventually. Get the souls of something else, put it in the eye of the deep kin. They won't
die prematurely. Now I know this is a little bit, you know, a little bit dark Eldar is
creeping back in, but to their credit, they did, they started with animals. Like we don't
want to just go around murdering people if we can help it. So they started with animals.
Problem is animal souls would only buy them a couple of days. So instead of the infant
dying in a week, the infant has 10 days to live. So eventually they bit the bullet and
started raiding the surface, the people who live like on coastlines in order to get souls
that wouldn't, you know, would basically patch up their souls. And, uh, it was, uh, it works
a lot better. I'll say that. Uh, the problem is that even with that, um, for a million
different reasons, really, you could, uh, if you're, if you're me and favorite elves,
you go, well, the human and, you know, human and dwarf souls are not enough to keep an
elf alive for as long as they normally would be. You could do like, there's just incompatibilities.
This is an elf. This is a human. Clearly those souls, you're not just supposed to jam them
into their body. Um, it doesn't grant them the full lifespan they normally would, but
it still gives them, you know, years and decades of life compared to the, you know, a week
an animal might get you. So with that, they started being able to actually live with the
mating of other people's souls. And they would take anyone like humans, dwarfs, orcs, the
sylvaneth, if they could find any, it would, it would empower them to have a somewhat normal
lifespan. And it was like, um, you know how like in the dark Eldar or Drukhardian 40k,
they take particular interest in taking other Eldar as like slaves because they're more
valuable. Is another like elves, or sorry, elves, um, soul more valuable? Is it more
compatible or is it just, again, like it's just, it's just, they're born deficient and
it's constantly drained. Like synesh or something is draining a soul on them no matter what.
So it doesn't matter who it is.
It doesn't really matter who. I do believe elves are a little bit, uh, they, they're
more compatible, but it's like, they'll still take anyone. It's just a matter of how many
souls they need.
So it's like, is it, is there currency for them in a way? Like the elf soul is the highest
currency probably reserved for like the wealthy and then the other ones are cheap.
I don't think it's outright currency. I think like some of the realm stone stuff counts
as currency, but it is like, they do definitely, you know, some people have the choice, they
have the choice pick. All that being said, uh, I'll talk about their castes in a bit,
but the elite don't actually need those souls. Uh, the elite of the item of the society are
that one out of a hundred.
Ah, you know, have the good soul.
And that's not random. Like they can, the, the, the full soul ones can possibly make
full soul children.
Potentially.
I think it's, I think it's more like, you know, it's like a, it's like a one out of
50 compared to a one in a thousand. Yeah. One like, yeah. One in a thousand or one in
a hundred chance.
Damn.
So it's still not great. Um, but they have a solution now. They do still look and I,
again, I will give them credit. The dark elder see this as a feature, not a bug. They go
out and now we get to raid and enslave people. This is perfect. This is now we have a biological
reason to be the worst.
It's the optimists, the Drukhari or the dark elder in this case. Yeah. Oh, it's just more
ways to torture. It's good for us. I guess.
The item of the art, they do still look for cures because even let's even put morality
aside, having to constantly raid people for their souls is a dangerous proposition. So
even ignoring the fact they're killing people for it, it would be safer if they didn't have
to do that. So they do still continually look for a way like completely out of this.
Are they still secret? Are they like a, they're not like well known
this moment they are. Um, so at this point it's still most just for survival, but as
time goes on more item that they're born, they start wanting to expand and, uh, age
of Sigmar has this thing called realm gates, which is, uh, it's like how you travel between
the realms. The item that have their world ways, which are basically underwater realm
gates to let them go across all the mortal realms.
Oh, was it like how like the land like when in the gashes realm underworlds and like afterlives,
like when a culture is an afterlife, it creates something in the realm and then they actually
can be connected to other afterlives of different places. And I guess in this is like an ocean
thing where like realms oceans are somewhat connected.
Damn big. Cause again, it's like my map is just like as big as you want it to be.
Pretty much. Yes. Functionally infinite.
Damn.
Uh, so yeah, they're, they're moving out now. And at this point, uh, they start also start
forming different enclaves because you know, they have a growing population. Eventually
there's more and more differences between those IDA net who are coming up out now. Like,
you know, for example, do we want to ravlessly expand and just kill anyone we can cause we
deserve it or do we want to be, you know, we're still going to rate people, but keep
it to the minimum needed to survive. So they start spreading out across the realm, spreading
out across, you know, it's different enclaves that have their own specializations and whatnot.
They're still mostly secret. Uh, the thing is a lot of the times like you ever played
either of you guys play payday two. Yes. You know, when you just give up on stealth,
you're just going for the cops. Yeah. That's the kind of stealthy item that had, which
is it's not stealthy because they're just quietly sneaking in and grabbing a couple
of people. It's stealthy because one day the villages there, the next, the people in the
village are not there anymore. Everyone is gone. I'm just going to say that payday two
may well have one of the best video game soundtracks of all time. And when infinite ammo comes
on, it's like, how are you supposed to stay stealthy? Not being funny. You're not. No,
it's just, I'm going guns blame him. I like, and then I started shooting Danny DeVito.
I mean, like that's how it is. Razor, blast razor mind is one of the best songs ever made
in gaming history. It's like, um, uh, what's the one from metal gear rising? Um, red sun.
No. Oh, uh, uh, not collective consciousness. Stranger over me. This is, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
No, that's not, no, that's not you. You were singing stranger. I remain Andy. I'm doing
a different one. Um, it's like, it's the, um, it begins. Oh, the Senate Armstrong standing
here. I realize you would just has to be this way. Thank you for my God. That song has to
be this way. Immediately. Like I'm just immediately thinking of the sense of Armstrong fire. And
I was like, that's rage. I must admit when, um, when, uh, we formed law crimes and, you
know, Collins, the biggest of all of us in terms of like influence when I approached
him, it was like that scene where I was riding, he was patting me on the back, but I didn't
say you're goddamn insane. I was like, you love a slop King. I submit. You're my brother
now. Okay. Finally getting through. Yeah. That's the thing. You're like, am I finally
getting through? I'm like, yes. Let us join forces. What the hell are we talking about
before this? I had something, a hundred percent casualty rate. They were just entire towns.
There we go. That's one hell of a whiplash. So this is happening in like, is it more concentrated
in some realms or is this just everywhere? There's some, they have less of a presence
in, um, for example, shadow one with Malek. Yeah. They've got a little bit less there.
Um, in shy ish, the realm of death. It took them a little bit, how to properly figure
out how to get those souls because most people that are dead. I'm surprised they don't attack
the gash in some way since he likes holes and he will get them. We'll get to that one.
Is this before, this is before the actual age of sigma part. Yeah. This is still the
age of myth. Uh, at one point, the first person to figure out they exist because most people,
occasionally there were survivors, but it would be like one raving madman who kept talking
about the sea coming to life to eat them. So that, you know, that dude would get ignored.
No, yeah. The only proof of their existence was crazy people and villages would sometimes
show up empty. It's warhammer. There's a lot of reason a village might show up empty one
day. Like it could be anything. Skaven, the gash decided he was angry at them. He's very
public. So there's anything that's still there. Yeah. Or anything. Like it's also, it's still
like age of sigma for the average person, especially at this point. It's good compared
to what comes later, but it's still like, you know, like medieval ish Renaissance ish
times could be the plague, could be a whole number of things. Maybe they just decided
to move somewhere else more profitable. So no real proof of them yet. The first one,
although the powers that be, you know, had some suspicions. Sigmar, you know, he, he,
he had some ideas. Something was in the ocean, something dangerous, but he, you know, he
had a lot of problems on his plate, you know, forming civilization, dealing with the gash,
corka morka. He's got bigger things to worry about. So he didn't look into it at this point.
A L'ariel found out at one point, uh, when the I don't have the text and coastal Sylvaneth
and she happened to be nearby. And since she's a goddess, oh, I also forgot, uh, they have
memory altering magic, the I don't know. So that also helps. So even if you survive, there's
a decent chance you don't know what the hell happened. Is it the, the mists, isn't it?
They often use it in like mist form. Yeah. That's part of it. Uh, that's part of it.
Um, so when they attacked, like mist like comes up from the ocean and people were like,
what the hell's going on? Yeah. And then if anyone lives, they're like, where did everyone
I know and love go? What happened? Uh, but a L'ariel's a goddess and one of like the
eight goddesses of the mortal realm, like major ones. So she's immune to it. And ever
since she found out the Sylvaneth had been on guard of the I don't know, but most people
still don't know. Um, so Sylvaneth, they did keep the secret in exchange for the I don't
know, and the realm of Gairan life, keeping dialing back their attacks a bit. Um, but
the age of chaos comes along still not quite the age of Sigmar, but you know, the age of
chaos now, uh, eventually a keeper of secrets found them and attacked them, you know, with
all sorts of demons. Um, and sure enough, you know, they started fighting, but their
idol and they had advanced to this point where those, uh, I don't know, the Mithlan that
like semi avatars were, they were out and about able to throw their weight around. So
that secret was kept, uh, from chaos as a whole after that Sonashi army was destroyed.
Our Kayon though, at one point was, you know, he was crunching some numbers and it's like,
there should be a lot more elves in the mortal realms than there actually are. Where is,
where is this missing bunch? Where is the math? And sure enough, uh, his Gaunt Summoner,
some Gaunt Summoners, uh, you know, did some scrying magic, finding stuff out and then
Archaon.
There was a Zeen demon just for people.
Yeah, Zeen demons, uh, did some scrying, found that first keeper of secrets that Archaon
then tortured until the demon spilled the, you know, spilled the beans on it.
For the secret.
Yes. Spoiled. It did not keep the secret any longer. Uh, but even at this point, there's
still underwater, you got to remember, and a cast warrior is a very big threat, but when
it has to do the awkward pool walk to get to you, it's a lot less of a threat, let
alone when it just kind of drowns sinking to the bottom of the ocean. So they didn't
change too much, standard operating procedure in the age of chaos.
Were you going to ask someone to help? I thought you might have.
Oh no, no, I'll just keep going.
Yeah. Um, the last, that last Setat Kithai, whatever I mentioned though, his name is Volturnos.
He's like the leader of one of the enclaves and he's the last of the first generation.
So he's got some respect from everyone, the High King even. Uh, he, he did realize that
eventually we're going to have to work with other people because sure, right now the ocean's
a real good defense, but the ocean didn't keep the original group of elves from Warhammer
Fantasy safe at the end of the day. It's probably not going to keep us safe if everyone else
dies either, which most I didn't have, didn't really agree with, but enough did. And as
time went on, more and more came around in that idea. Uh, so he started looking for allies.
That was mostly what they were doing during the age of chaos. Still limited to themselves,
to the ocean, would only raid for souls. Uh, turns out, uh, they can take chaos souls just
as well, which is actually a nice bit. Uh, they don't need to worry too much about corruption.
Chaos warrior soul works just as well as a normal human soul. Uh, during this, you know,
Volturnos is looking for allies. He reached out to Allariel first cause you know, they,
he kept the secret. Uh, figured maybe she'll, you know, maybe she'll work with them, but
even though she's immune to all their tricks and magic, she knows the other Sylvanas aren't,
she's aware they have a history of it. So Allariel turned them down. Uh, she didn't
turn them down into the Warhammer way, which is say no and then kill them. But she did,
you know, tell them to leave. She was getting no trust. No, no trust was had. Pardon me.
Um, she did also, uh, or not she, uh, they did however, uh, encounter some Stormcast
Eternals and, uh, now they did start off by fighting the Stormcast, but they figured out
that because their souls just magically teleport back to Azir when they die, they couldn't
capture them. Rocket straight back at Sigma's anus. It's to be thrown out again. Why'd
you have to say that? Cause I, I don't know. Did you have to say that Hal? I'm just, I
know content is content. Chat was expecting something. Don't worry. Every chat, we should,
every moment you speak, give Stan Colmore ammunition. Truly. I think he said, he said
earlier, I want to do it. He wants to trick me into saying the certain word with a hard
R. Thank you. And I've seen the donations that are horrid donations though. Uh, Andy,
is there another set? I believe. Oh, there's a bunch. Here we go. I'll, I'll mention the
first couple. So we've got Joseph Pollard. I thought Andy was blonde for a long time.
Handsome, but blonde. I'll dye my hair if you want, if you donate some money, I'll go
blonde. Oh, I'll can up. Thank you. Next one is Caleb Collins. What's, what's the worst
potential plot more half old R slash human hybrids or primarchs having kids. Also Collins
rocking the Dale. Your bull look slash hair. Like a Gribble from King of the, Oh, which
one's Dale? I think I know just from what he said. Sorry, Dale is the, uh, the crazy
conspiracy one. Oh, well he's like, no, he's like blonde and he's got like small eyes.
No, I'll put an image of that. Thank you. I'm not doing anything. Um, uh, no one from
Caleb Collins. I apologize for inspiring him with the hat. What does that even mean? Okay.
Don't ask seahorses. Someone says about seahorses earlier. I bet. Don't you mind USA for the
five bucks poured out for ingo pack alpha Legion first captain drunk and mask. It's
just left him stuck under the Imperial palace. Truly. What was the thing? And he is, he left
him next, like a destination mine thing where like, I have not read the end of the deaf
yet. It's one where like if he moves it, I have all three. I am going to read them suit
or listen to them soon. I've listened to all the horror, sassy, but those, because I had
like number two and three from a deal and then I had to wait for number one. I only
got it like a week ago. So now I can get around to it at some point. I'm not gonna lie. It's
really hard to care about a single alpha Legion character more than the Legion. He's like
a loyalist alpha Legion who's fighting within the traitor lines. And he's like, ah, we're
fighting this is a battle, but we don't really want to because we're really loyal. Anyway,
and I want from Caleb Collins, the second shortest has the most reach. Nice. Is that
in reference to us or who's the second shortest? Who's the second? Wait, how tall are we all
again? Five nine. I thought it'd be for being short. Ah, because Eli is the shortest. Eli
by the way, before people wondering Eli is currently on holiday at the moment. Enjoying
a nice time. Caleb comes again. Thank you guys. This is Nagash L D tier, Haydn seeker,
Haydn SRS tier. They truly have fooled a brilliant one. I'd like to take the last one if you
don't mind. H. Mealov with the 2BGN just said Lord Cunnilingus. I think he's referencing
me. Thank you for that. So it's Cosmic Sons of us at HP Lovecraft Cat. We're not talking
about it. We're not talking about the cat. It's really sustenance. It's great. That meme
about it is funny that I won't lie. It's the can we rename something after in? Yeah, can
I name my Titan in honor of a certain my cat? Picture of you know, my cat. It's funny with
the music. I do love that zoom chat or whatever it was during lockdown where it was like a
congressman or something and he was like, he had a cat. He's like, I just need to clarify
I'm not a cat. I'm like, I'm sure they get it. All people in technology is still comedy
until you get asked to help. Like truly the worst. So the Ardeneth currently at this point,
they somewhat they're reaching out. Yeah, they're like, Yo, you guys, I haven't heard
from us in a while. Remember us like, yeah, didn't you kidnap thing? You're like, nah,
nah, nah, I wasn't. Yeah, see, that's a yeah, they've they're dealing with that making a
couple allies a little bit. Go forward a bit. And the gash is doing his funny ritual thing
as he tends to do the network. Yeah. So he'd known from the beginning souls are disappearing.
He's a very good accountant with that kind of thing. Didn't know where as it turns out,
the Ardeneth and Shiaish had altered their magic a bit and use it to harvest even souls
that have been dead for a very long time or souls of undead beings, vampires, night haunt,
which you know, the gash isn't happy with that. But at this point, he doesn't know.
He has no idea. And then someone accidentally drains an entire ocean in Shiaish. Would anyone
like to take a guess who could fuck up so badly? They drain an ocean by accident. No,
no, it was that cool. Yeah. We drained an ocean, which did flood. I'm learning with
zombies, by the way. But that's neither here nor there. And with that, you know, the gash
kind of looked over to the the hole where an ocean used to be. So a bunch of elves flopping
around like dead fish. They don't actually flop around with it out of the water. I just
that's a funny mental image. It was like, ah, there you are. And around this point,
especially with the gash, they're now on the super murder list because they've been stealing
souls for centuries and he had no idea who was doing that. Now he knows. So his response
to this is to now purposely start emptying seas in Shiaish. And every time he every time
he finds an island, then one just try and drown them in zombies.
Shout to the gash of being 100 percent a consistent character, just immediately being a real one.
Pettiest bastard ever. Like he's like they sold a few souls. I'm going to drain oceans
because that's my only thing. That's my shtick. That's his only thing. The dude is never inconsistent.
He just straight up will like I'm just going to be immediately petty. And if there's a
puddle larger than any body of water larger than a puddle, I'm going to immediately nuke
it with undead magic. If this is waist deep or more, it's going. So at this point, the
item have got desperate because, oh, hey, the gash is now trying to kill us directly.
And this was like, you know, during like the necroquake stuff. So he's ascendant. So they
they changed their their policy a little bit and would much more commonly ally with the
forces of order. Never super close, but enough to, you know, get the job done, fight a bad
all. Then everyone goes their separate ways. I don't have to hoover up the souls of everyone
who's dead and then everyone leaves. They'll even work with the Lumineth, the realm lords
a little bit and Teclis, although they still will avoid that one as much as they can. I
think at one point, like they had like the least friendly alliance rules between any
two factions to the point that I think Korn and Slaanesh allied forces got along better
than Teclis and the Lumineth and the item that did. Do not like each other, but, you
know, Nagash and Chaos make good enemies. So they they did what they had to do.
So they ultimately see is like chaos is like the true threat, but it's more of like the
enemy of my enemy is a friend rather than, you know, like we don't want to we we, you
know, if chaos didn't exist, we would immediately. Oh, yeah. Beyond you. They would never be
friends to each other. Who needs friends when you have enemies? Exactly. A little bit further
on, Marathi, when she decides it's her turn to be the main character for a bit, steals
that lantern they'd stolen way back when from Teclis. She sent, you know, 60 elite forces
in. Two of them survived, one of which only because it was captured by the I than interrogated.
They learned of Marathi trying to ascend to godhood and they flipped the hell out. The
this group didn't get the lantern. The next group would have Marathi herself leading it.
So what ended up happening? Oh, no, pardon me. I completely flubbed on that one. They
did get the lantern. The I than learn of this from the captured daughter of Cain flip out
because she has the lantern. She could use it to find all their hidden enclaves and wipe
them out. So Volternos, that high king fella, just declares war on the daughters of Cain
in the entirety. He gets forces from every single I than enclave that it's spread out
by this point and just bum rush Marathi's like capital, which fierce resistance. But
Volternos, you know, his elite guard, able to reach the chamber Marathi's ascending to
godhood, but they don't quite stop it. He does crack, you know, the little dark elf
caution of blood Marathi's using, which does ruin it a little bit. But Marathi is still
a god. With that, you know, now that she's a proper deity, she defeats him and his forces,
pins him to the floor. But instead of this going, you know, by way of murder, she offers
them an alliance and as a peace offering, she even gives back the lantern as well as
a whole bunch of lost original Cathai souls. So Volternos, he knows he's dealing with Marathi,
who's only not the worst because Nagash is five feet to the left, but she's still, you
know, fighting for second place on most awful being in Warhammer, Age of Sigmar.
And they're not really like her main, there's no plans on them other than they could be
useful. Yeah, that's it. It's a very tentative alliance
that was mostly just accepted partially because those Cathai were Volternos' like original
brothers and sisters and friends and all that. And Marathi wasn't outright planning to attack
them. So they help Marathi conquer a city called Anvilgard a little bit, but no one
trusts the other. So it's really just a matter of who stabs who in the back first. So it's
a tentative alliance. With that, they haven't been doing too much. There's been some stuff
a little bit with some IDNF characters and some books, but for the overarching lore,
they've got, you know, that very tentative alliance. They were raiding some fire slayer
lodges because even in the realm of fire, there are still oceans.
Ah, I read that book. I have read that. I actually read this.
I haven't actually read that one yet. How was it?
This is Soul Slayer, if I remember correctly. Although, to be fair, this is kind of like,
it's an end of posthumous being arc one of Gotrek's return. So there's a lot of heavy
spoilers in there. There are some cool moments in it, which I can explain, which aren't really
spoiler, which is in the fire slayer hold when the IDNF attack, they essentially have
amnesia each time it's happening. So it's obviously quite funny. But when Gotrek arrives
into the hold, this mist starts growing around and then...
Presumably not affecting him in the slightest.
No, not at all. But when he is like, he's trying to tell them to signal the defenses,
where no one knows what's going on. And with the magics of the IDNF, they're actually able
to swim. So all their beasts and their magical things that they ride and things like that,
they're able to swim within the actual mist itself, like an ocean. That's why it makes
them so deadly ineffective. And when eventually, because Gotrek and his companion, they're
still somewhat with it, they would basically get the hold and alert and all the fire slayers
just like bum rush out and just go for it. And they attack the hold like a couple times,
because they wanted to take the soul of Gotrek because they realized he's basically a reincarnation
of basically a god, no spoilers for that stuff. But they think Gotrek is a reincarnation of
a god. And then if they were able to somewhat extract that soul from Gotrek, then they would
like to have basically a ridiculous supply. There's a cool things it mentions, like some
things that if not outright cure their condition, then have a like such a battery of soul juice
that they don't got to worry about it for a while. It was enough like at least one enclave
to be pretty much souped up set. Yeah, not like all of them. But there was something
cool to IDNF cities, particularly how a lot of them, obviously being on the ocean floor,
they're very much like, like coral and places are like shaped into their buildings was really
cool. They often have the souls of that. If you're wondering like what happens to their
dead, it does go explore into that book how they have the souls of that they don't consume
the souls of their own dead, which is very interesting, because obviously it's like,
it would like sacred to them. And that's one thing they wouldn't touch. And I think you
mentioned about their their the other caste system, you might explain that before I go
any further. I do have that. Yeah, if you'd like. Yeah, the they've got three, like three
very distinct, clear distinct castes and kind of a fourth one. But as of now, the fourth
one only has one guy. So the that fourth cast is, you know, the original Cathay, which,
again, due to war accidents, age, only Voltaire knows his left. But he is, you know, they're
kind of like they're above the rest. They're, you know, they're the what is it, more equal
than everyone else or however that phrase goes. Some are more equal than others. Yeah,
some are some are more equal than others. They would, in theory, be above, you know,
everyone else. There's only one guy. He is the high king, though. So, you know, it does
still hold. But going from the bottom up now, we have the Neymarti, which are those vast
majority of the Idneth who are born with incomplete souls that need to be constantly topped off.
Super pale, short lifespan, don't even have eyes. I think the Battletoam mentions like
they get like they got like 30 to 40 years in them. But they can like the Dark Eldar,
like keep replenishing their souls with more souls. So they can live for a while. But you
got it. You got to put the work in to do that. Next up is the Akelyans, the warrior cast.
Those are the fellows on the eels. So if you ever see, you know, you see an elf riding
a fish or a shark or big turtle, my beloved, that's an Akelyan. That's why I'm saying
earlier, like they don't they don't so much need like the better souls, because those
are the lucky few who are they're they're good. They don't need the soul magic explode,
like necessarily speaking. And then the last one is the Isharan. Those are the magic users
and the priests. Yeah, they I believe I believe they're they're also like composed of the
ones that are good soul. So those are the those are the three major casts of the Ida
Nath. If you were you gonna add something, Hal? Because I was going to talk about like
that, that miss that ether see if you didn't. Oh, I just I know finishing on the last part
which is because of they like it like, you know, they don't consume their own dead as
like a big faux pas. So they then they stop their souls going to Slaanesh when they die.
So that still happens to some elves. They actually like store them in like sort of sea
beds of it's not a coral, but it's like, it's kind of like flowers, but not really like
the like an ocean, like vibrant flower base thing. And then like, because it's like sacred
grounds, like the most, like the best job ever is being a guard for like one of those
places. And they are quite mysterious, because they can basically they're like mazes, you
can get lost in them, but essentially like, sort of graveyards of their honor dead. And
there's obviously quite a lot of them. But most of them would never touch. You would
never touch like if to touch it would basically be you'd you'd enact war and all other idea.
They're going to kill you. It is not worth it, though. But they actually they do have
stuff like their cities are pretty cool. There's one there's one more scene in the book was
like in an auditorium. They have stuff there. So I again, like think of it almost is like
they are vampires in some kind of way where like, like there are pure blood vampires and
then ones like the lower ones, which kind of just end up serving them. But they have
like proper cities and stuff. And we're part of that they do. They're not all underwater
necessarily. They have like bubbles of air in some places. And he's playing Dark Souls
right now. He's just rolling and rolling and rolling. I'm just saying that like when when
you're the only Chad alive, you've got to like give them some kind of time to respond.
It didn't work. It was just I should and then I'm down. It's really sad to see it. I get
it. I was in that situation before. Sometimes all you got is role. Sometimes it's damn subway
surfers. But got trackers in the police force is the police officer. Yeah, kind of. Yeah,
it was that was actually one like the better agency. Mark got right books. Yeah, because
the art net characters in the book was quite interesting. And they have like they have
complex politics amongst them. Because obviously, once you have like a big social cast and like,
you know, car system, there's obviously big players in the game and things like that.
That's mostly just parts in the book, you want to get like there are really cool battle
scenes in the mist, though, if you want to talk about the mist. Yeah, there was one last
thing on the cast system. There's a bit of some some lore flubbery, which is I believe
the army books mentioned that the Mardi cast is born without eyes. A short story has them
once they reach puberty, they get their eyes ceremonially cut out. So hopefully, whatever
happens in fourth edition, we'll clear that up a bit. Take a stance on that one. I don't
have one more question you mentioned is that the the the previous Elven God of the sea,
what was his name again? It was a lot. There was like they have it's not like the avatars of Cain,
but what is it? The the the Eidolon of Mithlan. Yeah, like they are there's one in that book,
the God Trek book, which is kind of cool. He does fight one, which is again, like just one of the
reasons to go read the book at least at some point, but read all the other ones before you
have to because it doesn't make sense. But there's like there's a sea which shows that they turn up.
I don't know how to describe them. They're like they look like elves still, but they're not like
they're not like avatar of Cain's necessarily. They're like, I don't know. The best like quick
description of them I found is actually like their little description on the GW web store
was that they're not divine avatars. They're like a collective manifestation of all the souls of the
deepkin. They're kind of like, yeah, they're kind of I don't know what the equivalent would be in
like a 40k sense, because again, it's not like an it's not like an avid like or an incarnation of
or an incarnation of the Ynari's like Incon thing, or an avatar of Cain necessarily. But they do.
They are pretty cool when they show up. They're sick when they show up. It's like explicitly not
a god. It's in the image of Mithlan. But he's not around. Yeah, they're just basically super Saiyans
essentially. But the the they call it the Aethersea. So it's just how part of how their magic manifests.
And the way it works is they basically take the ocean with them to the land. Now you you can still
you know, you can still walk breathe all the normal stuff. You don't even have to do you know,
like I said, the awkward pool waddle when you're trying to go somewhere. But your breath, you know,
might make bubbles shipwrecks coral will just randomly start just popping up spontaneously.
And even sometimes if they're really if they are really driving it in though,
it can cause like sensations of pressure, and potentially even drowning for someone completely
caught on like unaware or unable to counter it for whatever reason. But for the most part,
and you know, for the sake of the game, it's not going to drown your enemy army. So every
item in the deepkin battle on the tabletop doesn't start with you going and then you all drown I win.
It's not that powerful. But its other effect is part of it does know that miss starts creeping
forth. And it lets them act as if they were still in the water. Yeah, which is why an eel cavalry
is an option for them. Rather than you know, they take the eel on the land, then it just kind of
flops around. It is for all intents and purposes, they're acting like they're in the water on the
land, like they can swim zero G. Kind of kind of like you can take a cavalry charge vertically,
like from above you. They could like obviously, you can't really do that in real life. That's
not you know, we don't have aethersea magic. But in like the lore, they could be swimming around
like they're not bound to 2d like a tabletop army is. They could be swimming up down from behind
below if only then their enemies don't have access to like the free floating stuff. No, they could,
I mean, in theory, if they learned how to use that magic, they could the identity aren't teaching
that to anyone. So good luck. And it's it just lets them do so much cool stuff like that. Just
again, swim out of the oceans as if they're still in the ocean. And honestly, like I don't know,
thinking about them is kind of terrifying in the same way like a lot of Lovecraft stories are
because I know one of his things was like Innsmouth, right? The sea. Yeah. So it's like
these eyeless fish elves coming out of the ocean to kidnap you take your soul kill you.
It probably horrifying the I don't know if can be when they're portrayed.
Right. That's just a regular weekend for how is truly my weekend. He loves Innsmouth.
The DJB is house hometown. Thank you, brother. No, because when it describes it in the book,
it's like the point it happens like how's about the intro prologue to like a surrounding village.
And it's generally like very terrifying. Because you don't people don't know what happens to them.
And then suddenly, they were like snatched up or people are killed. And then you're gonna
you just have amnesia about like, what the hell happened to my entire like life? Yeah. Pretty I
like that aspect of it is generally quite scary. Yeah. And it's a and even like, if that concept
isn't scary. Jaws, you know, shark, they bring the sharks with them, you're gonna get there.
I take bite. I love it. It's a well, they were before we keep going. Shall I read out the
donations? Yes, yes. There's only a couple things after this. Okay. But Donkeyman USA said and you're
gonna love it when Big E fights Horus in a Yu-Gi-Oh! duel. I love that technically canon, like in some way.
TTS was a prophet. In kind of backup here for the 30 squigglies was what we're calling it. Thank you,
brother. Because I just remembered that Godric was straight up immune to the ironith mind magic his
advice for Malaneth on how to deal the magic was be built different and then punch the shark. I think
I remember the book his whole thing is just he just says nonsense and he just keeps walking.
Because he just thinks it's all nonsense and therefore it doesn't affect him. Like his belief
in it. Can I call it wonderful? Two bucks. When will nekos invade AOS? Yeah, no regret. Oh, God,
that's some cat things I'm too normal to think about. Can I go over the two most thankful can
use AI to make Hal say game or words? No, do not do that. I promise you like generally that may kill.
We're not gonna have a bridge moment for Hal.
Two again, thank you. Who's more arrogant? Godric, Fulcrum or Vegeta?
God, that's a tough. There's a passage where Godric admits everything comes and goes like even the
dwarfs will die. So he has occasional humility capacity. Fulcrum, he's not capable anymore.
Vegeta has some his best moments are when he kind of is slightly more dies and he'll talk you from
the afterlife. Yeah, I still he knows that Kakarot's better than him. He does have that he
does admit that at the end of the year. It was a cool moment. Smashing Badger again, the best.
Thank you for the two euros. Tom Warren for the two pound two bucks. Thank you. Lord Crime should
do a Lovecraft stream sometime. Maybe we'll have to do one episode just because otherwise it will be
Yeah, poor to be a lot of how and to be fair, we also did the was it Lovecraft gods versus
was it the Emperor? I think we know it's all needed. Chaos gods, I think. Okay,
or stars. That's what it was. Yeah, that's why I was confused. So that that was good for that one.
Dad whoever has to face calling in the next versus we bring my game or age to the versus.
I just ultramarines it. That one. You had the uphill battle there.
It's the ultra right. I thought I did. All right, I tried my best. I tried to take away the
good versus the strength of your spiral genealogy my weakness. And I will have Mr. Meal of just for
the last one here. He says, how sing along Lenin's most controversial title or recreate his self
portrait for bro, what is this guy on today? I don't understand these requests. Oh, man,
was thankful. Is he still being diabolical? The eyes method deepkin though, at this point,
but sort of learn their culture and stuff and their cities like their cool magics and stuff like that.
Yeah, their models are good, though, as well. Their, their models are disgustingly good. Like,
I'll I'll even give some slight credit to GW on this one. They held themselves back and made the
faction leader character only $60. I mean, you know, held back by Games Workshop standards, but
the other guy that the guy was his name again, it's a V.
That's one way to like the seahorse thing. Yeah, the seahorse mermaid thing with the two tails,
three tails, the I've seen some paint jobs. The paint job on that model, some people have done
is incredible. Generally, like really, because again, with ocean stuff, you really have free
rain to go anywhere with it. I mean, it's like, I wouldn't be surprised if like some people kit
bashed old like vampire coast, like model bit things just to go in like, you know, what's the
one with like, it's a huge crabs that have like the guns on them or some kind. Yeah, I need crabs,
I need ocean crab, elf army, please. Crabs. Damn, I need crabs. I want to buy like little
things for like making my ocean floor bases for my my iron hands army that I don't really pay
the moment. Because 10th edition is difficult for base base replays. But we'll talk about
transition at some point now. This is item s time in the sun. Just some just some kind of final notes
if anyone and nothing else that I discussed their tabletop a bit. Unless any questions.
Andy? I mean, to be honest, I'm just happy to be here. I have no idea.
They ride seahorses. I had what they called all those things when you were a kid, and they were
like sea monkeys. And you could like, Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, they're like them. And that's all
my reference point. I mean, I'll take what I can get. That didn't sound like a complaint. So I'll
take what I could get. I regret saying the word crabs. Now the chat is alive on me. And then
Holy Emus is pancreas angle. No, go to hell. That's the second channel. They so
you're running an iron net army, you're gonna have a lot of eels,
you're gonna have a whole lot of eels. About it. It's big turtle. I love him. And the big turtle
is as you'd expect an absolute monster. Big turtle is expensive. I haven't I haven't checked his
point cost for fourth edition yet. It was around 500 points, I think in like second or third,
at one point on the gash levels, it's not in the gash level, but that's a quarter of your army.
For a full 2k army, but the gashes 1000 points I did, you know, that's that's a high bar. I don't
think 1000 points should be the baseline of considering a model.
That was like a the equivalent of an a gash in 40k was 1000 points, it just like a Titan almost.
Okay, but I don't are there any like 1000 point models? I feel like it's mostly like like a
500 maybe and then it just rapidly jumps to 2000 with a warhound Magnus the red is like the most
expensive I think him or Angra like 500 or 400 and late 400. Mortarians like throw it in 25 as a
time recording, which is stupidly cheap. Yeah. Yeah. So it's thankful. Thank you. Okay, of course.
So you're gonna see you're gonna see a whole lot of eels. You got two different variety of eels. So
that's cool. But there. I don't want to go out and say anything is bad. I'm looking through,
you know, a little bit of my old video I made for them for tabletop stuff. They do have a lot of
options, getting the melee range close the gap with you do have a lot of options for the
the you do have a lot of options, getting the melee range close the gap with you have some range
territory. You've got the you know, and it's the best possible kind of range, which is just
they strapped up a list to a shark. I cannot compliment whoever made that decision enough
that that man that woman whoever made that choice, whoever they may be, give them more money.
There's a they do have a bit of a limited range, though. For example, the
the Mardi thralls and Reavers. I believe they're the same kit.
No, it does not look like they're the same kid. But your baseline infantry is essentially these
two kits. You don't have a terribly large amount of options. But at least personally, you do have a
you've got a pretty decent amount of characters to choose from. The options are pretty good.
Pretty decent amount of characters to choose from the idol and the lawn can be built in two different
ways. Bolternos can be a normal king. Again, big turtle. I know I'm very biased in that. But I big
turtle. I'm a big turtle 100%. Like I look at big turtle, and then the fact they only have 18
options available to choose from, one of which is the faction pack and another which is just a
shipwrecked terrain piece. It just fades away because the big turtle is great. I fervently look
forward to big octopus. Such on the same problem of like, this is the space marine thing in
Warhammer and then Eldar get absolutely left behind in terms of like model releases. But yeah,
I feel the Idnith are somewhat popular, though, which is deservedly so. They are popular and
they're they it is a solid roster. Like it's a it doesn't look like it doesn't look like they don't
have like they've got what they need to be a proper army. They we didn't leagues of Otanut here,
where they we got half of an army still waiting on the other half any day now.
Still waiting on a law book, Arthur. Shout out to Arthur Bones, getting a damn immortalized piece
of his own body because for a faction that doesn't even have a law book, my God, is that is that one
book not out yet? It's not out yet. But I got we did an episode of on the second channel I did called
fixing 40k and he was the first one because leagues of Otan is too too obvious not to pick.
And it was like at the time we recorded all they had was a couple of models and 25 community posts
on law hammer community or what I make community and the book hadn't been released at the time of
recording and it was just like a tweet and it had been deleted. Mike. Oh, that's great.
With some of our factions, there's a little bit of like, there's some I thought there's some
copium in something like that's just like that's just personal taste with like, I think I'd never
I like I very much love I love like ocean style looks to things. I've always been like drawn to
that. So even some people may not jelled it as much I just feel like the leagues of this is not
an I leagues of Otan episode. The huffing of the copium is the strongest when it comes to leagues
of Otan. But what to say that for its own episode or when we bring on Arthur to talk about leagues
of Otan and then it's like a five minute video. I love deep rock galactic. That's that's not one of
40k. Oh, Tom, that's literally not even the same franchise. Well, loving deep rock galactic is all
that's carrying the vote on for 90% of people. Brr. Rock and stone. Thank you, brothers. Can you
subsist off of rock and stone? If you can live off of only that go play the deep. I can't even
say the leagues. You can't even call them deep rock galactic. Where did Voltan even come from?
Who gives a crap about Voltan? Like the name? No one knows that. You know, I'm gagging. You know
what? At some point, not a single soul when you know, no, this is happening. I'm gagging for a
fucking leagues of Voltan. People wanted the squats back for a while. Let's not pretend there was
an allied force. Like, let's be honest, there were absolutely people who wanted a squad army back.
Yeah. All three of you. Oh, three blokes or three blokes. One in each continent. Thank you for that.
I mean, over here, sitting over here, barely any. Where's your phoenix lords? Where's your phoenix?
They had they did. GTA six still might come out before we get all the phoenix lords back. Fuck you.
Oh, no, I am. No, I think they again, like with the age of saving, while they got opportunities to
really cook with the IDNF. I do think they showed up in some recent campaigns I saw and particularly
the there's one which is related to the realm which is Nagash's one where they kind of just
shown like the nature like the basically the city which is kind of half supported by the stormcast
eternals. Yeah, it's being attacked by forces of the force of death. And the fire slayers end up
joining the forces of death because they get paid off. And then actually the IDNF deepkin end up
joining the forces of order as like a sort of tertiary extra force, but they never truly like
aligned with anybody else. But it is cool to see them though. I do wish there's a bit more again,
there's the character book, isn't it for the king guy, I've seen that as a character book.
So if you want to go explore into that as a good option, if you're like, oh, I've piqued my interest
and you know, I think it's on audible. So if people would just want to go listen, you got an option.
Yeah, you don't have to you know, you had your primer today. So if you want to go straight into
it, I look with a lot of ages, sigma stuff, you can just kind of you don't really have to like
horrors heresy timeline, like, where am I, you just go pick up anything like without 40k.
Other than that, I don't think I have much more to add to the IDNF. I very much. I hope to see more
I hope to see more of them. I hope there's more of them. Although I'm content with or at now the
storyline if they need to take a break so the scaven can have their their time to shine, I'll
admit, I don't mind putting off the IDNF stuff a little bit longer. But in the future, you know,
once the scaven everything is all good to go. It's get some of the seals out Come on ocean
dwelling elves writing sharks is awesome. It might be a while because I think they'll probably do a
next edition of like Malik kiss returns. Yeah, whatever the hell he's been doing, please.
No, again, like with most with 40k and a sigma, they are very much I think they want to pump out
in terms of like, they want to bring a just sigma up to the level of like 40k. Because I know like
the tabletop game, and like their own version of that combat patrol is super fun to play. So
people are saying like, you know, just like playing the game. You know, I mean, like they've kind of
got it on 40k in terms of like, people who are playing a stigma are not complaining, like us
people who are playing 10th, they're pretty content. So if people do have that stuff, again,
it's pretty like from their what I do like about a sigma, particularly as well. You can from their
like their version of combat patrols at spear point, I think they can actually is like a functioning
like army. So if you are buying the IDNF or you're buying a scaven or you're buying stormcast for
some of that is actually like, generally a bit more of like a less, it's easier to get into it
compared to even better. I'd have to go through them all. Yeah, go through them all to double
check. But I don't think there's any spearhead boxes like the mechanic is where yeah, this ideally
500 point box is actually 300 points, you're gonna lose every game you play with just this.
Yeah, I played against AdMech recently. This guy hated it. The guy had like twice as much that I
had on the field, like more than twice the amount just because they're so under costed.
Unless they play character overlords, they need help.
The fire slayers need more help. The doors need help in
wars need a lot of help in age of sigma.
Finish off though for today's episode. Thank you everyone who did make it as far as he please do
like and subscribe if you haven't so far. Andy is going to quickly with the dog on bed, that is
being made. We will put the things in the chat for the dog. We will today be going over for the
at the end now the question of the week. Andy, I do believe, I think Andy, you have the previous ones.
Okay, so the last episode was our discussion of the Space Marine 2 Primer and the hashtag was DLC.
So this was a hashtag of like, what would you add into Space Marine 2?
The first one from Steven 4937 said, hashtag DLC, pulling from the archives sees the majestic return
of Gorgurt's Ed Hunter, fan favorite, who turns up just to steal someone's hat again. Yeah, that'd
be a nice crossover with Dawn of War 2, no 3. That's 2.
Dawn of War 1 and 2 are, or 1 and 3, what's his name?
Oh, piss me off. How can I not think of his name?
The orc from Dawn of War Brothers.
Not Orc Among Us. The one who from
Dawn of War 1, he's very iconic. Oh my god. That's why it's pissing me off. I don't remember his name.
The Three Booter?
Is it Dawn of War 3 orc?
No, it's the Three Booter is the Dawn of War 2 one.
No, it's not piss king.
Yeah.
Angry homunculus.
Piss king.
Because I had you how voice a Dawn of War.
A while ago. Yeah. I don't remember his name. Oh my god.
People quickly looking on the cam. Yes, it's the is the orc that joins.
It is Gorgus. No, it's Captain Bloodflag is the one from second Dawn of War.
Yeah, that's why I was thrown off like, yeah, of course.
Can we get stupid from Dawn of War 1 or stupid?
I did like the Dawn of War 1.
I must admit, it'd be nice. I remember when Mass Effect 3, they were like,
release the game. There's a multiplayer option. And then they just added the collectors from
Mass Effect 2 as an army you could fight. I was like, that's amazing. It'd be amazing if they
could do it because I know they're going to have a horde mode for Space Marine 2. And they could
have Tyranids. And then if they just like patched in, we've made them look better. We've brought the
code over and they brought orcs in. That'd be fantastic. You could have Tyranids, Files and
Sons, orcs. F Glassman N said, hashtag DLC one idea. Let's fight orcs again. Maybe even a knob
fighting in the war in game one, reforming the remains to get to fight titans again.
Another idea. Let us go to a demon world. Dead sky, black sun, made Medringard sound like a
really interesting and bizarre environment. And it would be really cool to navigate such a strange
world. I do enjoy the Yuri. There are some like, there are moments in the Yuri of Ventress books.
And that was definitely when I was like, it's weird that like these ultramarines are present
on like Pertorabo's home world and he's not involved. But it's kind of fun.
Yeah, the Yuri of Ventress books are a weird one to me. They're so hit and miss.
Hmm. I just got the choo choo train, especially on that book. You're the demon to shoe.
And then the Thomas the Wang engine.
Monkey Lucy. Thank you for ever bringing that Graham McNeil you twisted the visual. I do like
your work there. And the last one we had from thank well and bone ripper. Hashtag DLC. You get
to see Titus find a remaining old one. He then tells him about an ancient weapon called
farting on my roommate's door. This will allow the necrons to become alive again. Titus will then
kick the silent kin king in his metal nuts while doing the giddy destroying the necrons forever.
As it is foretold.
That did like the old ones tell them that joke and they laugh so hard they become organic is so
ridiculous. I enjoy that. So if you were wondering what that is about, just type in
farting on my roommate's door to immediately and you'll understand the absolute like okay,
if you can watch that video with a straight face, you have no soul.
Hey folks, it's Andy here. We forgot to mention the question of the week during this recording.
So I'm going to tell you it now. So we came to the consensus that maybe we should say
the hashtag is hashtag wet. What makes you quote wet for Warhammer?
I'm so sorry.
Also, we've had a couple of donations recently. So we got one from Dayacon83 for 499 scribbly
booze. Since there isn't a bunch for for 20k at 20k stars, we should get someone to shop
your faces over the taking the hobbits to Isengard video. Well, that's an idea.
We'll have to recreate it live or we'll sing it all in unison. Probably not very well,
but we'll do it. We probably should do something special for 20k at least at some point. Yeah.
Kelo conswell next versus whose outer contest clips are the worst. I mean, maybe we should do
like next versus just straight up law like actual who we are like if it's just Andy versus Eli in
real life, like who's the better person. Okay, the cons again for the identity isn't as bad as
gave us brother brain. We are I mean, I'm not gonna complain about what someone else is saying.
I haven't got a leg to stand on. But like that is particularly that is on point. Appreciate that.
Thank you very much Colin for the identity of the dive there. If anyone has any things they want to
hear out a sigma again, we are visiting that a little bit more bit more as he wouldn't on the
schedule. There's a bit more a sigma and one more fancy just because we're we're in the mood.
When the mood for it. So we're going to be visiting that a lot more often. Got some verses got some
guests coming up. So hope you all enjoy possibly in a couple of weeks, two weeks today, we might
have a very special guest but it depends on schedule. And like if we can get them on but
we'll see what happens. Yeah, we'll bring him hopefully bring some some good stuff. If everyone
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watched a single episode of it. No, I never will. It's really sorta online truly is the anime when
which you're like if you were to describe anime, it would be that like it's just the generic it is
the white bread of anime. But enough about that we had we had fun talking about Warhammer. Thank
you Colin for the intro or nori intro for Andy bit more of a deeper dive for me and hope you all
enjoyed it. Thank you so much for listening and watching. We'll catch you all next time. Some one
of the fantasies coming up. I like what is next week. What? What is the question? I'm sorry, I was
looking at that and that completely threw me off. How about from Skyrim? Jesus. The farmer from Skyrim
is kind of like a good reference point because they are like blind but they're not ocean blind.
But they're not ocean really. More AOS whoop you're begging. We'll see, but obviously there's plenty
of this. There's just Warhammer lore out, you know, for days. So we'll get to it. There's a lot of
lore. All right, brothers, we'll catch you on the next one. Thank you so much for watching. See you
guys next time. Peace. Bye bye everyone. Bye.