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Magic. Brothers and sisters. If anyone is new, Warhammer will kind of just dip slightly into
Warhammer. This is Warhammer 40k and fantasy. We're gonna go into explaining magic. And it's
kind of convoluted and a little bit confusing. Warhammer, because it's does it even really have
magic? Or is it just do people believe hard enough? But before we get into some magic,
we do have the previous question of the week, which is a little bit of a while ago.
Andy's do that. So a donation by Incline Backup. Thank you, brother. Again, he says,
we also talk about fancy slash AOS magic and this magic of our round lord of course.
We will talk about Warhammer fantasy magic as well because obviously both Warhammer
universes are kind of linked. But there's a little there's a few differences. But we'll
be getting all into that. Andy, what was the previous question of the week?
Okay, so last time the hashtag was hashtag reason. So what was your reason for launching
a crusade basically, and I picked out three. So the first one is from the rude Canadian 8068 saying
hashtag reason, because the age of strife isn't going to end itself, which is a fair point.
We also had one from Akuma King one who said hashtag reason, I would tell humanity that all
of humanity has to be united in order to supply everyone with either elf waifus or husband of
elves. That's one heck of a reason to launch a crusade.
God, I feel like 10 plus itching already. The itching. Oh, man.
We also got a donation by the way from Donkeyman USA saying can't find any Skaven Stormfiends.
How else can I make my redemptive dread rats? I don't know. We do need to set up a discord so
we can have people show their conversions. There are the new rat ogres regular and those could
probably do those are those models are real good. Ciao to us channel eons of battle who had the
idea of making fake fur on like his rat ogre conversion. And it actually looks like really damn
like impressive. Another donation by resident best name ever. Kabandas mighty schlong of sickness.
I want your read through a cactus to be a spell.
Damn.
The last question of the week on so we had last week was from Kishen 021. So hashtag reason.
Obviously the only good reason to unify terror and conquer the stars is that GW used up all of
terror's crude oil and now need more in order to feed the whole Warhammer communities plastic
addiction. Amen to that. Does someone say oil I can hear the Eagles immediately. We are on our way
already. Oh, say I do love like, I just love I do, like indulge and love the American meme of just
like immediate like overlapping blaring Eagle sounds with people been like waving flags and stuff
like that. Fuck is a kilometer. I am an enjoyer of that meme. We do have another question of the
week for this week brothers spit on point. It's if you could cast or you can make any new spell,
what would it do? And what would the effects be? Obviously, make it funny if you can, because
you can go anywhere with this one. I think I said earlier before we started,
I would cast a spell to essentially fix all of the Star Wars Disney properties because
it hurts too much. Honestly, it just I can't take it anymore. I don't know if Andy and
I'm gonna beat you to death. That's not a spell he's casting.
Are you going to talk about the garbage magic of DS to know but I might talk about the best magic
system and any from soft game from Dark Souls to it's not it's not it is hearing white noise.
I don't know what's going on. It's hard to understand. Yeah, no, Andy first.
I did see is watching you and after playing it the other day and said like,
Hey, Dark Souls two, it's spreading. It's spreading. It's not it's old, man. It's old.
Yeah. So Dark Souls one, which plays infinite worse. I know it doesn't. Okay, I can't I'm not
gonna I'm rolling. Okay, chat. Don't let him get away with saying Dark Souls one is that like,
they can't even say a negative thing about Dark Souls one, but people immediately trying to find
your IP address. You can bet of chaos. You're old how thank you. Thank you.
I had to highlight I'm not even 30 yet, brother. Like I'm chill is relaxed. So good. I'm
youngins. Yeah, no, same before if I had a spell I could cast it would be a spell to cure all the
smoke alarms in existence from making that little noise in the background to save us all from people
recording videos without realizing they need to change the battery. I would I would. But yeah,
so hashtag cost. I wouldn't take a I would borrow a spell from a from a game. Thank you,
Luden McShooley. I'm not old. I'm 25. Only Eli is younger than me. Thank you. I would borrow a spell
from the tabletop RPG fatal, which if you don't know what it is, that means nothing. If you do
know what it is, you're recoiling in fear. Because that is an abomination. But the spell I would borrow
is known simply perpetual orgasm. You can probably guess what it does. You wouldn't get anything done.
It explicitly kills you. Oh, I was like there was there an experiment with a rat with a button that
was just there going pressing it again and again and again until it died. Yes, pretty much that.
Oh, I see on clay nose fatal. No, I think the best like the spell I could think of why these
are the hashtag is hashtag costs for people listening. The one I can think of just like
slightly mess with people would be you cast a spell and it has a zero this certain objects like
if someone touches it, they have a 0.5% chance of immediate death. So, you know, I mean, like you
could theoretically like still go about your day and like if you really need to use it, but like
there's a slight slight chance immediately like like wordlessly fall down and die. We have two
donations here by danger. That is a that's a great neighbor. Thank you. I can catch you fellas live.
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Yes, I am very old. So I saw myself in the mirror earlier and I saw how many gray hairs I have in
my beard and my it's over. It's over. That was hashtag cast and we're going to get straight into
today's topic which is explaining magic slash the magic system of the Warhammer verse and to start
with there will be someone with fantasy though. I saw it. What is he said? Oh, so there was some
background gameplay of me playing dark side and I'm terrible at it. So please be generous.
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What are they thinking when they name that boss?
Oh wow. So today we start with the one with 40k magic or woman general magic system and it starts
with the narrative. So how does magic affect the narrative of Warhammer is boiled down really simply
to chaos. Basically, I think most of us do have heard of chaos but for the uninitiated chaos itself
is a pantheon of four quote unquote gods. They kind of coalesce coalescences of ideas and things
mashed into together and they have basically the only objective is to really ruin humanity and
mostly they've already glut glut 3000 the Eldar into an almost nothing race unfortunately and
chaos itself mostly is the antagonist for all of Warhammer. It's the perverse like very much
sim like sort of close to like biblical terms of like you know it's the devil it's the corruptor
it's the entire thing that basically everyone was so like every other race or faction like necrons
maybe possibly a little bit but Eldar and humans they come so close to achieving like a golden age
of perfection and then chaos comes in off the the top rope and kits them with you know an RKO basically
so it mostly affects it in that way. We have a donation I think was it no one by Joseph Pollard
thank you brother he says I knew you were degenerate Colin but why would you mention Fatal
the game only hardcore incels play damn. It's uh because I don't know shock valve because the five
people who know what that game is would recoil in fear and that's what I was going for.
Truly. Yeah so essentially in the narrative magic often acts as like a thing of um particularly in
some stories again it's just the arch antagonist in most ways it's the thing that either turns
people into evil or assists them in their evil. It's a very broad stroke but that's essentially
the role of what magic plays particularly in fancy as well as we mentioned a horrible name called the
End Times in which essentially the magic itself was either trying to save the world and then it
also kind of blew up the world so pain. Next one is the combat of magic in Warhammer now this one's
a fun one but it's a little bit different in different verses so Colin will explain it in
fancy but in the 40k slash 30k setting a lot of um it's called psychic magic a lot of that is very
much sort of similar I will talk about later but like the force in a way where it's a lot of it's
like mental particularly like if people like see the example of on screen here where they're playing
like the psycho role in the game Darktide a lot of it is you can do like brain bursting particularly
a lot of it is invasions of the mind particularly when they have like combat psyches which are humans
they very much focus just on the mental stuff and then when it gets to more powerful things
such as like a starties or demons all that stuff they slightly move into more traditional forms
of magic whereas like so it's like our examples like Thousand Suns where is like basically the
magic legion there'll be one of the antagonists in the game Space Marine 2 and they can cast
slightly more traditional spells but in a way in which particularly in Warhammer like someone's
brain like their mental strength is very much linked to how much they can unleash in their
combat magic again I don't touch too much on traditional magic because it's very much a fancy
thing so Colin if Colin wants to explain here like this Warhammer fancy version of magic combat
slash magic itself I would be happy to I've even just for some quick I remembered I had this the
fourth edition Warhammer fantasy roleplay book you can play as a wizard and there's some cool stuff
in there so on top of you know I did have got some stuff laid out in front of me but I figured I
remember to have this and I'm hoping this has a miscast table in it because I know at least from
the older editions of Warhammer fantasy roleplay when magic goes wrong it's fun so we'll talk about
magic and hopefully talk about what happens when it goes very badly Warhammer 10th did get rid of
the psychic phase in the actual table top thing was letting people know so there's like magic is
now a shooting thing as of the time maybe 11th might be different we don't know will you be
taking us away hell or shall I start on how do you can go for it go for it just on all fantasy
magic so Warhammer just a quick overview before we talk about someone you know we mentioned some
rats earlier but uh we'll talk about them just as a quick general guideline for how it works
it starts all magic comes from with there are some exceptions but it comes from the realm of chaos
there are it starts as dar dark magic and then splits into the eight different winds which is
akshi the red wind lore of fire zeer the blue wind lore of heavens camon the yellow wind the
lore of metal balthasar gelt my beloved gurr the brown wind the lore of beasts gyren the green
wind the lore of life haish the white wind the lore of light shyish the purple wind the lore of
death such as the power of the gash and the olgu the gray wind the lore of shadow uh for
I think that's the that's the olesia and vermentide actually uses the lore of shadow if I remember
correctly it's uh as all things warhammer quite dangerous uh when things go wrong they go very
wrong uh but those are the main eight winds uh dark elves and some evil factions like vampires
can use just pure dark magic lizardmen high elves and wood elves can use high magic which is you take
all those different eight winds knit it back together into magic in its purest form uh with
the corruption removed so you don't inherently endanger yourself more so than anything else when
you're using magic uh and then there's some other magic uh most noticeable uh most fun most
noticeably for me anyways rat magic skaven magic yes it's so beautiful everyone in the chat is like
when's rats when's rats rats rats rats rats are here the fun thing about skaven magic is that part
of it at least it's kind of actually like paladins which i know you do not think of a paladin when
you think of a skaven but like because it comes directly from the great horned rat uh in a lot of
cases they have they uh they've got their own spell lures they've got the lore of ruin which is
what the you know most the greysiers use there's also the lore of plague for clan eshin uh there's
the lore of i'm forgetting the name rat the the lore of stealth there we go it's the that's yeah
it's pretty easy uh it's just what the clan eshin sorcerers use and then there's the lore of the
warp which is i believe an older one uh so not as much talked about but it does it's another greysier
thing it's uh magic is very dangerous in the best of times in warhammer fantasy uh it carries much
like 40k the the the constant little you know overhanging threat of am i going to cast fireball
or am i going to cast portal to corin's realm on accident i just realized you know the thing i said
at the beginning where like you can't the my spell would be 0.5 chance you die that's literally what
music warp magic essentially is yeah that's warhammer magic although skaven magic is more
like a 10 chance because they just don't care and they also enhance it with warpstone which is
solidified chaos basically it's a drug it's food it's an energy source warpstone is whatever it
needs to be at a given moment as long as it's malicious that's that's it a common theme will
be coming up on is it's what the plot demands it so that's essentially what's going to happen a lot
here which usually it's at least funny so i don't mind it that much uh let's see um there uh
skaven magic in particular this is somewhat you know a constant for all things uh but especially
for skaven because they do not know the meaning of subtlety or holding back even the you know the
longest trained elf the most powerful of slan except maybe lord croak he can't do any wrong
but everyone else you cast it it's coming from the realm of chaos all magic one way or another
so sometimes things go bad uh especially if you're in a region where the winds of magic
because magic also just blows as a wind across warhammer fantasy if the winds are blowing strong
your fireball is going to be real damn big but in the best case scenario it might be too big and
what was meant to just be like i'm gonna light a torch real quick is oh i lit the building on fire
and it's made out of stone so it was real bad uh not something you want to mess around with there's
a reason that witch hunters and fantasy still hunt the witches uh it's because the witches tend
to make things blow up if they don't know what they're doing if they're untrained and even
trained people are in for a bad time oh lovely i found the miscast table i was looking for
uh skaven because they you know snort warpstone you you don't want to be in front of whatever
they're casting uh as i always mention actually we mentioned it last time we did uh one of the
episodes on them thank will wrestled one of the most powerful human mages on the planet
and the other guy was like i'm not gonna win this i'm not till like you know so gotric felix
evernell started helping because skaven magic is horrifying magic is all horrifying skaven magic
like i said just ups the ante a little bit it's a car with no brakes yeah they they except yeah
they cut the brakes on purpose because they don't care for who's in the car and it smells of cheese
cheese quite probably worse than that very moldy cheese uh it's
it's also dangerous for those uh behind the skaven wizard casting because usually it goes wrong
some miscasts like uh for example i found the official like just a tabletop war game uh
what uh miscast table because there's an expanded one for the role playing game but
it's still there in the base game uh for example there's the miscast result calamitous detonation
which is uh you put a you put a temp a small round template over the wizard everyone the
template is touching suffers a strength 10 hit uh including the wizard and that's gave it as well
so that's like more than double there yeah this this is keep in mind like this happens to everyone
it's just again i think the skaven can actually get penalties if they take warpstone uh in old
world or at least they didn't warhammer fantasy battles uh having not played og warhammer fantasy
battles i don't know the specifics of their casting there uh but in lore they're definitely
doing that kind of stuff there's also a dimensional cascade which is uh it's the same thing as before
only with the bigger template and you roll a d6 and if you roll a three or lower the wizard is
quote cast into the realm of chaos remove them as a casualty
my god dangerous it's of course incredibly useful like you've got a lore of life wizard nearby
right you're not dying they're gonna keep you going uh i must say though it's like looking at
magic in all settings i do like how warhammer has a cost because you get some sort like even like lord
of the rings it's like gandalf's a wizard and he's really strong he's like are there any drawbacks
nah he's just really overpowered whereas like i like how in warhammer both fantasy and 40k it's
like it's really powerful but you might lose your soul you might be eaten by demons you might kill
everyone you love just saying it's good but it has drawbacks and that's high high consequences for
poor magic use there's uh it's the same with rituals too like rituals usually like you know
you get all the incense get everything you need a little bit safer than on the fly like oh i'm
getting attacked i gotta i gotta cast you know spirit leech or something from the lore of death
there's a lore of death it's great uh they usually a bit safer they can still go very wrong for
example uh once again our beloved thanquel uh was doing a ritual to summon a vermin lord you know
the skaven greater demon he summoned a greater demon unfortunately it was scarbrand yeah which
can we shout out to the uh the new skaven um model as of current time recording there's a new like
skaven demon prince esque slash uh vermin lord model and that thing is gonna be my mortarian
for death card that will be my mortarian if i can get the wings for it uh luten mcshooty uh thanks
for the five bucks brother he says when is the slop tier list and why is there only two tiers
mirathy and thankful these people know us really well it's almost frightening yeah i have a would
you care for me to read some of these lovely miscasts because there's a minor and major
miscast table yes please go for it yeah the minor one i think my favorite one is soured milk
all milk within one d hundred yards goes sour instantly that's it uh soul quake which sounds
horrible but you just you just fall over you just trip soul wax which is your ears clog
instantly with a thick wax which is not removed until someone else cleans them for you
for you okay with a heel skill uh you also become death
yes i was gonna say otherwise that's actually that's that's actually could be quite profitable
but have you ever seen those youtube videos of like the guys who just like clear ears out they're
like ear specialists and like people watch them they get like millions of views you could like
pass that again and again and just like clear it out and then people were like this is amusing
hmm i don't get it but it's a thing mr mehlos has said in the chat how would proxy mortarians
model fat as hell i've heard no listen if you take that new vermin lord and you put mortarians
wings on the back of that thing are you telling me that's not the greatest thing that's been made
that would be cool but i'm not using that for mortari and i'm using that for a flying vermin lord
i want to use age of sigma models in 40k because we're getting koti as at the moment and they're
getting vermin so let's be honest who's winning yeah uh double trouble which is the effect of
the spell you cast goes through and also occurs somewhere else within 1d 10 miles so i hope that
wasn't a violent spell otherwise some poor peasant's house is about to get obliterated
pain those were all the minor ones the major one levitation you fly except uh when the spell ends
you don't gently come to the ground you are floating and then you are falling
uh there's some hellish stench you smell bad this is a major this is a major miscast that's interesting
it you gain the distracting trait all right well i would have to check that out but apparently
you smell so bad spell called again hellish stench this is these are all miscasts i've been reading
none of these are all of these are all of these are what happens when a spell goes wrong
wrong i'm sure there's a george awlwell quote where it's like no matter how good a person is
always just like someone who smells it's like doesn't matter if you're really good like
oh now i'm just thinking of the magic the gathering picture it's the is the rows of
seats and then one seat's got to stay in there oh no i'll read two more misfires real quick uh
uh regurgitation we got a donation from joseph oh sorry oh oh i was gonna say we got a joseph
pollard donation do not drink the milk at the slanash chaos camp it's not milk don't drink it
uh second to last miss major miscast levator no uh regurgitation you spew uncontrollably throwing
up far more foul-smelling vomit than your body can possibly contain which lasts for 1d10 rounds
you can spend 10 rounds of combat vomiting wow and then from the other end intestinal rebellion
your novels move uncontrollably and you soil yourself getting the fatigue condition which
cannot be removed until you change your clothes and clean yourself up intestinal rebellion
valetariat jeez i'm so glad i remembered i have this
that is very very cool uh is that for warhammer fantasy com or magic those those were all the
yeah the miscast there's there's the spells and you'll notice like uh if you play uh what is it
total war there's it doesn't seem like each spell lore is too big if you just go on like the war
hammer wiki or something or if you have you know one of the fantasy role play books uh if they have
rules for magic there's a lot of lures in each spell like the lore of metal alone has like 60
uh some of which are useful some of which maybe not so useful some of which are great for causing
an economic downturn um it's not all combat it's just you know we're this warhammer we're here for
the combat so most of what we see is combat related you can use magic in the setting for a
lot of things it's just if you're casually using magic you're kind of inviting trouble if you
aren't either like a very powerful character you know much like gelt or someone else in the colleges
of magic or an elf who lives folkshly forever so you have time to practice same thing for the slan
it's it's it's useful and there's a reason uh ever since tecla set up the colleges of magic
battle wizards are part of the imperial army it's just a mainstay there's also a reason they still
hunt the witch because the witch can accidentally decide nurgle is invading your town when they try
and light their candles with a you know little snap of the fingers there's many candles yeah
yeah there's a maybe in the future we could talk each you know go through each lore but for now
that's that's kind of warhammer fantasy magic it's got each its own you know unique flavor
uh the races all have their own things that can oftentimes come directly from their god rather than
the traditional widows and much like i'm sure we'll get to at 40k probably not worth it to be a
wizard the convenience of being able to float is not worth the voices you're going to have in your
head more often than not yeah and the socializer must be a pain as a if you play like so just on a
screen for the uh audio listeners there's some gameplay of dark eye which i got earlier when you
actually play the um psycho role on that you actually hear like whispers and voices and stuff
like that just because when you're playing it because the warp is telling you to invert your
anus and submit to nobel basically he's just one uh i guess one quick thing for a passive back over
to you it's uh there's no there's nothing quite like blanks like you know in psykers when they're
around a blank they're in actual physical and mental pain there are things that dampen magic
in fantasy uh like if there's enough dwarfs around it you just can't cast a spell uh like
their presence is kind of like blanks obsidian also dampens blanks which i did not know until
relatively recently or that dampens magic uh it's like a dulling field which is why there's even a
test amongst like the best imperial wizards become the next chief of the colleges of magic
it's in the obsidian hall because if you're running for that position you're probably a very
powerful wizard and it would be best to keep that contained because it's not the idea that they
they prank each other it's like oh i got you got your nice necklace and like oh thank you and they
put it on my way makes me feel sick is there any obsidian in here is that no nope mathy ford uh
do for two bucks says can you learn more than one law uh oh that's actually a good point you
you can that was actually really theoretically you can it's just uh like uh max in uh the end
times the wizard from gatchigan phoenix he just started throwing out lures left right and center
because magic was going wild by that point in normal case he was also very competent so we
could handle it most wizards you can in theory practice different lures the problem is
like elves were specifically designed slan were specifically designed by the old ones
to handle magic in its entirety she believes your uh your your boy bathas are gelt he did a second
law didn't he he well necromancy is weird he did do that necromancy is all it's like corrupted dark
and magic in the gash they call it intent i think in games you know i'm a total war
i think it's just lore of vamp is it was a lord death no lore of death is like just the lore of
death the wind of death i think it's like lore of vampires lore of nagash is kind of its own thing
because he's in a gash so he has the best versions naturally um it's you can do different lures it's
just the thing about the lures of magic there'll be one oftentimes a human wizard is drawn to
anyone in particular it's just most prevalent for humans humans not being designed like the
elves and slan can't really like mentally and spiritually handle more than one lore
which is why teckless's whole thing was you he was like he wasn't being rude he's like you you
physically cannot handle more than one lore you don't live long enough your souls were not designed
for it learn one lore and that human can get very good at that one lore about the sargelt again
probably knows the lore of metal better than any elf you do not step out of that lore because all
like the incantations all the preparations you need for one lore different from another lore
so if you do mix and match you're really playing with fire you know it's like it's like um humans
learn to drive automatic cars and elves can drive a manual so if you chuck a human into a manual
like they could theoretically do it but like it's really difficult and it doesn't really work
not the best analogy maybe it's like you could be like lots of types of doctors you could be
a nice specialist you could be a digestion specialist or a limb specialist a bone surgeon
blah blah but like you try to do everything yeah but if you want to specialize that's where the
money is that's where the prestige is that's where the innovation is as well i suppose
so i don't want to be donation back up for none donation right in kind back up thank you brother
says uh in aos anti-magic causes stuff to stop existing because at all all matters just materialize
magic it's kind of spooky yeah anti-magic something in a yeah the realms are just coalesce magic so
if you have a powerful enough like anti-magic rock djb says i'm surprised howl knows what the car is
thought they still use horses and carriage where he is i've never been in now look here now look
here listen here son okay um that was one of the taser for warhammer fancy magic uh there is a
sight thing that links uh fancy and 40k and 30k together which is how magic affects fate it's kind
of weird how um in warhammer fancy and 40k uh magic is somewhat through that the acts of like chaos or
prediction or in a way like chaos itself is timeless because where they exist i will go into
the warp in a very short bit but um the source of where magic is in warhammer very much does not
follow time in the way in which the old world or aos or really 40k does so it kind of can interject
in the future past and present it's kind of strange in that way fate is one of these awkward things
in storytelling i don't often like it when they do too much of like oh and then they like time travel
thing there are certain i'm sure pretty sure in warhammer fancy there are like some some small time
travel plots and then in 40k there's quite a few of them unfortunately um but fate generally like
it's difficult because particularly when it's filtered through the idea of chaos which is the
antagonist for mankind and all of creation really they can see fate a lot of demons such as
particularly ones who are uh favored of zinch which is the changer of ways mr you know blue
guys birds thousand sons from space ring two if you're new but those they're corrupted by that
kind of chaos god they can see fate um but fate is never quite written in stone it's very mally but
essentially in warhammer fate is essentially often used as like a oh like you know a storytelling
thing sometimes it happens sometimes this doesn't again it's very it's a bit it's very wildly like
it's very loosely used you can see a fate not the fate a potential fate yeah that's a very good
as a good idea for it um i hope i get a way of illustrating it the next part is travel in uh it's
not particularly in fantasy there are the ideas of magic portals particularly play um total war
hammer they do use like the chaos portal magic system which is not that popular you would have
to not play immortal empires to use that and no one wants to do that yeah um it's essentially
almost like i do have like a wormhole so kind of a slight bit of science it's obviously a trope
taken from other places as well you can basically travel over incredibly long or you know distances
and then appear somewhere within a short amount of time or even in the weird case particularly
warhammer 40k or 30k uh the warp itself which i will go to in a second but travel with magic
is kind of messed up because you can either be attacked by creatures demons or other things
during your travel it's trying to get into your ships it's trying to break your mind essentially
like traveling in warhammer is always dangerous sometimes ships also due to how time doesn't really
affect the source of magic which is like the chaos realm um it very much you could you could appear
somewhere way earlier like on schedule say if you're traveling somewhere it's like oh it's two weeks
and you know the warp or two weeks of you know magic travel it could take a week or it could take
uh a thousand years you could just get unlucky um particularly the imperium itself in warhammer 40k
they often have like they've worked out certain areas which are like much more stable like quote
unquote lanes of travel but yeah magic is often used to travel itself and i will specify it's not
necessary that the magic in 40k is used to travel rather they travel through a massive ocean of it
uh there is some magic involved which is the people who are operating like equipment and machinery but
it's very much like they're just dipping into like a like an ocean that's somewhere else um but the
next section is wasn't there an iron hand from like 40k then it ended up in 30k like pharaoh saw his
dead corpse and he was like what the hell did my kids turn into yeah there's a there's a short story
where the iron hands come across a old like a 40k ship in their time and they're like this is like a
distant future they think it's like not that far in the future but obviously it's like 10,000 years
in the future iron hand they're like oh wow he's really augmented kind of scares them because
they're like we're not meant to be that to generate like this is disgusting uh little does he know
you can't stop that one yeah you won't get ahead of that uh you know um the next part is uh sources
of power so this is true for warhammer fantasy and 40k it is the warp um but in warhammer 40k
fantasy i don't know if they really call it the war they call it the realm of chaos but it's
essentially the same thing the warp itself is uh an amalgam ocean of thoughts ideas is a mirror
dimension that mirrors our own material verse but not in the sense like it's an exact copy rather
it just essentially if it's in the fourth dimension our universe aligns like sort of here on the left
and then it's on the right it's like very much pretty close to getting through and what exists
in this warp slash realm of chaos is creatures of thought and nightmare every good thought bad
thought every hidden idea concept they are ripples in this ocean it described as an ocean
it can have planets it can have random places which are like just land it doesn't it makes no
sense doesn't the laws of phoenix don't apply to it in the same way it's also where the chaos gods
reside in both fantasy and 40k and they essentially call it home their realms are twisted into their
own sort of unique ideas and concepts that relate to each god uh i can't give you a list of every
single realm because we'll be here all night but the next part is my favorite bit because it's
as i mentioned earlier it's followed by belief so good and evil ripple and they affect magic so
particularly within both because it's a grim dark and grittier place more evil thoughts are
basically stronger and more prevalent but the next part to explain is not basically the strength of
magic is determined by belief in both uh series and we begin with the orcs colin would you like
to explain orcs and colors yes of course uh the funny orc magic is you know it's kind of it's
kind of been all over the place in some ways uh like i know there's been moments in uh like
canon where it's like blank for example blanks can stop it and it acts kind of like a traditional
chaos magic there's been other moments where blanks do nothing because it's orc funky business so who
knows but one uh consistent thing is something that uh the orcs have to do with colors because
again kind of like i just said the orc believe it to be true is something that's kind of been
if you might agree like back and forth uh some people are like anything the orcs believe hard
enough happens some people are like there's there's limits to it but to some extent it is there
because of the orc color system an orc paints something a certain color it gets uh it gets
effects it has a actual real property transmuted to it i don't know if transmitter is the right
word but i can't think of a better one it's a yes good one so yeah the uh there's not too many
colors i know the big one people probably mostly know is purple which i don't believe is an actual
canon thing it's just a it was an in-joke at one point that completely took on a life of its own
that you know purple is the stealth color because you never seen a purple orc have you uh but it's
still my favorite though oh it's still a lot don't get me wrong without a doubt someone cooked on
that one someone cooked but uh there's the aside from that there's a couple different ones uh
for example the color i guess shade i have the color is black a shade or a color whatever black
yeah it's isn't it like all colors combined or something like that isn't it with like light
yeah it's like isn't white the absence of color and then black is just all of them crammed together
or is it the opposite we're law how much we're laws we're law channel we ain't
theory uh but black is uh this is more so from fantasy uh at least stuff like black orcs
it's uh you're dead you're dead hard you're a you're a tough orc uh like i said purple is
probably more fan stuff uh sneaky again not so probably not canon don't think it is but
very fun so the idea they think they can't be seen if they put purple you know i want that it's just
ridiculous because imagine peasant being like what do you mean i can't see the entire army and
there's just like and then in reality because the war bit like a magic is affecting it like there's
an entire like wave of orcs and all just like not trying to be their version of quite quiet and
stealthy which is like not screaming but still running yeah like an entrenched line ridiculous
there's a oh no pardon me there where have you gone yellow is a
explodey uh you paint something yellow that's supposed to go boom it'll go boom bigger
i believe it can also in some ways mean like wealth and also in slightly other ways like also
tough uh like you know yeah aghanob's got yellow that means he's a real tough orc yeah and the bad
the bad moons as well up there flash kits and stuff with the light yeah they've got all the
money they've got all the teeth it's like prosperity yellow yeah yellow uh yellow is just in general i
i guess bigger maybe too it's like you know you you bigger wealth bigger loot pile bigger uh bigger
armor better better stuff be to be fair i don't think they have good dental hygiene so as
all their teeth must be like yellowy so they're probably like teeth valuable teeth yellow yellow
valuable yeah uh red of course the red ones go faster uh the equivalent of the human racing
stripe yeah it's so it's so brilliant i love it and uh green of course is best
uh it's the color of the gods it's the orcs it's their gods green is best green good uh
you had a donkeyman usa in the chat he says i smoked the fungus booth
immediately lost in some conversation there i think um my favorite part i think i've told
the story before but the um to explain how orc magic really works say there's a group of orcs
driving in a truck and then the lead orc is you know he's slamming that like the gas pedal down
and he's going he's like and then the truck just starts spluttering and stopping and then he turns
the other walker goes i thought you were you filled it with gas and you know you're basically
because they run out of gas and the other thought goes no i know i saw you did we did fill it with
gas and all the orcs in the rest of the truck go yeah yeah we saw you fill it with gas and then the
truck keeps on going because their belief has now made the truck yeah keep going because i think
it's filled with gas so guys the more comical stuff like just you give an orc a lead pipe and
tell them it's a gun and it just manufactures bullets to some extent that was kind of around
older lore they've definitely moved away from it but like like you sum it up perfectly with that
how it's like it's still there just more muted like it's less you know i have i told that like
what is it i told an orc the floor was lava but he didn't melt so now he's immune to fire
that kind of stuff doesn't really happen anymore but the little boost like yeah you know this
this clip you know you tell the orc you know the the magazine has 30 bolts and if it's only got 10
it'll have 30 now shout out to uh the best part which is um i don't know if this is a canon part
or not it's the um it's the world where they ran out the imperial guard ran out of ammo and so i
don't think it's true but it is funny if it's they say it's not it not be canon but it could be
which is uh well there's i'll tell one canon story which is with kai force kane um the laughable
clown commissar i would do a donation by louis 1945 thank you brother he says uh currently sipping on
an oil margarita damn crude like crude oil but um thank you actually kai force kane they were
fighting orcs and then he told all of the other troops that the humans like put down their guns
and the orcs didn't know what to do because they basically believe that their whole belief system
is like they have to fight the hardest thing the the oddest thing there and the humans stopped
fighting them so they started fighting each other i was like that bit um so they managed to beat the
orcs by just not fighting them the one i love particularly is the the humans ran out of ammo
so they just basically lifted their guns and just shouted bang like going bang bang bang bang
and the orcs believed they were being shot so then they died and then there were people who were who
were like like they basically formed a testudo and started rolling forward and they said like
they're making the noises like a truck and like a tank so they're going and they're like going boom
and then the orcs died because they believe they're being attacked by a tank um it's most
likely not canon but it's hilarious um remind me of the new flash kits animation with um not
definitely not bluey with the broccoli just go pop pop pop pop pop and because they believe it all the
the fairies die in the black temple i was like hmm you're all right actually but there was um
mcgaylovich mentioned earlier like about the idea of a colorblind orc i feel like that would be a
fun story where you could have a really overpowered orc he's just like he can't tell the difference
between the colors and he's just like that looks red to me you could have like a really powerful
guy that'd be fun everyone else believes he's faster so he's faster but he believes he's
luckier so he's just nothing ever goes wrong for him exactly well if they believe one of the bosses
is the artist kit ever and so therefore he gets stronger ridiculous um but the next part is to do
with well with continuing on with sources of power is kind of how it's channeled is we mentioned a
bit earlier it's basically through psykers and mages mages being the one the fancy equivalent
they don't really use the term psykers but essentially there are people who are born with a
everything that is alive somewhat has a connection to the warp or the realm of chaos um it's just
generally like it's like the spark of life somewhat within each thing and basically like the ones who
have a slightly stronger connection are the ones who are able to channel it to a like higher degree
and they are basically called psykers and mages they're the poor bastards who are cursed with
essentially having a ticking time bomb of power on them all times um the next part of sources of
power which is really i like this one which is science because science in warhammer is somewhat
treated like a magic because it doesn't really follow actual science and there are two factions
that do this one of them is first is the necrons necrons i will call it science just for uh
terms speaking but it's treated like a magic it pretty much is cast like the basic the most
efficient and most like incredibly powerful um magic form within the warhammer verse it's just
like there's not as many necrons who are able to particularly use it they have things like time
magic they have uh like crypto um all the crypt i want the crypto chronomancers chronomancers and
who's in the space clap lol i just realized that one of the people in your game you were you
you'd have for the background footage it's named dog fart oh yeah hey leave dog fart look he saved
my life like three times because i was i haven't played this game in like a year so i was holding
off a hero um i was like yeah so necron science they have certain things like it's kind of
overpowered a lot of the time they even have a device where um i believe is it's illuminor
zeroth has it where essentially it's a recreation of the galaxy and if he actually like puts a
finger in it it like would detonate stars and things like that they have their science is on an
ungodly level tier examples like tracer in the infinite who is the funniest again version like
city clown in the necron race he's able to have an entire museum planet that is sort of like powered
by a dead scar like star god or a shard of a star god which has like museum pieces that like each
frozen in time like the scale of necron magic is ridiculous their power sources are again they have
like things like necro dermis which is what their boys are made of like a self-healing metal which
is not a thing it's like an organic metal yeah like again like it's not a real thing
i'm like mike the brittonian groundite poor guy he's a dog fart listen dog fart dog fart is a real
one okay he was he made me he made me finish that no yeah never mind um yeah necron science is pretty
pretty incredible um especially on the tabletop version of it they have like different abilities
most of it is kind of related to healing or buffs in that sort of way a lot of it is to do with time
they are basically the rules of time because they don't really age um but basically now we move on
to the next part of science magic which is the the kid that wishes it could be necron magic this is
skaven science science is basically what necron science is but it was in a mental asylum for 10
years yeah and then it came out the other side changed skaven science pretty much is whatever
the skaven really need to achieve this thing does it like their magic is like seen as unreliable
their science is even more unreliable um so it's pretty horrible you know everyone colin wants to
go into it a little bit yeah one thing that doesn't help is uh like a lot of their quote-unquote
science is uh using warpstone as a power source which again warpstone is solidified chaos so
they're hoping the essence of change and magic incarnate is going to be a stable and reliable
power source which it's certainly a power source uh stable and reliable it is not uh this is on top
of the fact that let's just ignore warpstone very briefly a good 50 of skaven research is stealing
something from someone else without actually understanding how it works so they'll take some
like they'll take a dwarf gun they don't get why it works they know it works and then they'll try
and very crudely copy it and then probably jam warpstone in it for fun because that's just what
they do and it it'll shoot like rattling guns they're damn dangerous you don't want to be
caught in front of one you probably also don't want to be holding it or behind it because there's
a pretty good chance it's also going to blow up same with like their warp uh their warp fire
cannons uh you don't want to get hit by one of those because it's an energy beam it's like a
a halo like wraith blast is there like a thing with warp weapons where they give radiation off
because i could imagine the skaven being like oh this is great oh i'm feeling ill and then they die
and then another game goes oh free gun and they just pick it up and just keep going and going
keep going their skaven aren't somewhat resistant to warpstone uh certainly a lot more than anyone
else not completely immune uh because you can you can still mess them up but they can eat it and not
you know start melting or mutating like you need a lot of warpstone for a skaven like to mutate or
anything they're not immune to when it blows up uh because that's just an explosion so which again
like you can uh overcharging uh it's i love it it's such a fun tabletop mechanic like you can
overcharge you know your warp lightning cannon it's gonna hurt whatever it hits it's also quite
likely that it's going to blow up and not be usable because it's just blown up like you removed
from the tabletop because it just took too many wounds uh wayne with a new uh law criminal member
thank you wayne uh also uh bushido dofunk which is a great name he says love your i'm a lurk and work
oh yeah welcome to the lurk it's it's it's not great there's also other lovely skaven science so
we have warpstone as the basis for a lot of it we have stealing stuff as the basis for a lot of it
the skaven also uh will just kind of throw skaven slaves at a promising invention
promising they're quite uh what's the word like ingenuity like um they're quite clever to be
honest because they will really go for anything they will like you they they made spaceships they
made nuclear bombs they've made the very i just love the fact that the godom wheel exists which
is literally like a functional i don't know what the equivalent is hamster wheel murder machine
hamster wheel murder machine but i don't really play together as a hamster wheel
escape sartank if you've ever seen that masterpiece of post world war one russian engineering
or it's like with clan molder where like their their version of like magical science is the
flesh miss of oh molder where they basically sew together rats and beasts and then chuck
warpstone down its gut their dark eldar homunculi if with somehow even less ethics
uh it's it's the dark eldar crossed the line the skaven are not aware of the concept of a line
yeah the skaven weren't aware there was a line to begin with he's like you said they're pretty
clever um although honestly uh for all that you know the cleverness and somewhat actual intelligence
does go into things like you know echoclaws nukes and doom wheels and stuff it's also because
they throw rats at the problem so say experiment one the thing exploded 100 rats died experiment
two the thing exploded 99 rats died so we're making progress and uh once you
uh sorry you guys so once you get it down to a reasonable number of exploded rats which very
very important to note is not zero dead rats it's more like you know you know like like a
rattling gun explodes and it takes out three or four rats and it was a machine gun until then
that's that's acceptable it's like if you were to do a mission to the moon with skaven they
wouldn't it's not just that they'd launch the rocket it blows up launch rockets it's that
there's also skaven eating the other crew members who are assigned to the ship they're also not
spending any time into we've got to make sure it's safe and there's also the people and it's like
it's just like in some ways it's like yes the problem will be getting done quicker but also
there are other problems being done at the bot at the base level and it's like even i was thinking
of like chernobyl where they were like oh in real life the russians had to like scoop bits of
radioactive concrete off the roof of um one of the parts of chernobyl and they were only up there
for like two minutes before they had to come down if it was skavens just be like nah just go in and
then when you die we'll just push you into the hole and then we'll be done in like two hours
yeah it's uh and because warpstone is at the core of all of it it's all very magical which is partially
why it keeps going wrong because warpstone is explosive and also corruptive and also unstable
and a whole lot of negative adjectives that make every other race rarely if ever want to interact
with it but the skaven are like yes give me more of this skaven is uh skaven magic is very
very cool science in air quotes skaven science and magic are both intertwined and not something you
want to mess with you had almost full health why did you just take from that medicaid station
i mean i have to like you might as well might as well um but the next part of explaining
certain sources of power so the last one is a small thing it's kind of niche at the moment but
it may be bigger in warhammer which is something called enuncia it's basically it's like a universe
shaping language just when someone speaks enuncia there's like these certain words i theorize it's
possibly come from the old ones in some capacity it basically can physically alter the universe but
it's not actually from the warp it doesn't it's not it's something people use to fight against the
warp is often used at some points in the horrors heresy and in 40k at certain points it's very rare
i think only dan abnett the author is really touching that for the moment uh the next part
is scale of complexity this is a small part just to kind of explain the basics of it uh this one
is just specific to a warhammer 40k the basic part is it's basically just telepathy and telekinesis
like on the ground level it's like mental gymnastics essentially the the basic form is often
uh like asciopatic choirs of people sending messages across long distances or things like
again like it's a small thing but like navigators who look have like a special eye who are able to
look into the warp like very like that's like the low down version of it fantasy is a it doesn't
really take on the more mental aspect as much and fantasy is a bit more like again like a bit more
traditional what you think of magic when it comes up um the next slightly higher part of complexity
is the fact that rituals exist this is truthful one of fantasy and 40k because of the way that
belief uh affects the universe as we said earlier with like the orcs rituals have a certain thing
where it doesn't require a huge amount of belief but there are certain things where the universe
itself has established rules that in general if you enact a ritual in a certain way and make the
appropriate sacrifices chaos will basically reward it and something will answer it and he can even
do it against his own will at times so people can summon demons that do not want to be summoned
because the fact that the ritual somewhat works with the magic up to the highest level of complexity
which is the fact that demons and creatures and other things of magic they represent represent
concepts so and i i was trying to think of a good example of this one but the one that popped my
mind was when spoiler alert for people who haven't read stuff for horrors heresy about the character
garviel lokan you don't want to know meet yourself for about a minute um garviel lokan gets it right
at the end he dies unfortunately right at the end of the last book of the siege of terror and his
death the fact like the idea of it being such a betrayal the concept of betrayal goes on to form
the demon called samus which is the very first demon that they encounter in the first book horrors
rising the first horrors heresy book which then basically starts off the horrors heresy so certain
concepts can create demons like a great devastation will create like a demon or a thing related to a
certain catastrophe although good thinking of rituals as well even um the ruin storm the massive
warp storm that arabes summoned during the betrayal of kalf he did that by he gathered like gene seed
and pieces from istvan free so when i'm just no no it's from five he went i'm gonna like rummage
through all the dead loyalists for like oh here's the like head of a of a raven guard who was shot
in the back oh here's like an iron hand who was told his primarchs boring oh here's a salamander
who was called a bad guy and he just found all the like this the things that like were infused with
the most emotional trauma and suffering and dismay to help fuel the summoning of the of the ruin
storm and he went to kalf and he went to like sat under the moon he went hmm homina homina and then
he just summoned it and it's that whole thing of like certain events in the setting imbue like
talismans with power and that can be harnessed and that also is true for like demons and even living
saints like not even bad things sometimes good things like living saints and even the the tau
deity that lives it's like the tau god of like the greater good it's like a conglomeration of all the
different things that are like helper species and it's like what you get in is what you get out and so
ritual was just kind of like a force multiplier in that regard there is an example slightly of
this which is in one of fancy which is the resurrection of nagash the last time where
the ever child i believe that is colin which is the daughter of uh the tech no no sir abtyrian and
a lariel the other queen yeah she represented the idea of like a pure soul and that was an ingredient
needed to resurrect um nagash with magic yeah she uh alie athra did not have a pleasant ending
yeah neither did volkmar neither did um who's our batman uh um the grim oath arian
arian oh i hate hate to bring it up so painful it's like that's the that's the
equivalent of like the lokan death for me like in fantasy that's like no not him no uh so painful
um so i was like that's the highest end of like skeletal complexity uh almost done here just
finishing up with a lot of few things which is the inspiration slash trot to warhammer
as you can tell if you probably haven't noticed yet warham has kind of copied someone else's
homework a few times a couple something else a few times dude talking never heard of it yeah
yeah so the more basic one is they basically copy the force uh in terms of like in 40k with how it's
like the force but like a really dark version of it where it's not the dark side of the force it's
just like it's the force but it has massive like downscaling problems and uh you know side effects
uh so how many how many medaglorians agorius have or mephiston they're off the charts
that wasn't a good add to the series i won't lie i didn't like that um but yes i i mean the idea of
telekinesis is kind of everything that has telekinesis is somewhat a ripoff of star wars
the force the traditional magic of dungeons and dragons the sort of expansion of what was uh
lord of the rings magic was what the foundation of warhammer fancy was because obviously games
workshop itself being a company that did make dnd stuff originally and then wanted to make their
own stuff to sell more product they kind of just made their own dnd world um for warhammer fantasy
and the last one is dune because if everyone hasn't seen dune dune part one and two go see the movies
they're really good um the idea of particularly the more larger scale things about like fighting
like fate itself uh time understanding of the world is a lot that has ripped off from dune
the actual god emperor is taken from dune although in the dune one he is a worm don't get i'm not
getting into it it's just too much and the last section here is rules and limitations and flaws
which is kind of thing that makes magic the more interesting part the limitation to magic is first
of all the use of it if you use too much of it you will inevitably turn to a bubbling like writhing
mass of flesh and basically a spawn of chaos a terrible fate or you get sucked into the warp
but yeah what's like i say so that that happens both in both uh all three settings really fantasy
k aos 40k if you overdo it you are probably going to turn into a gribbly thing yes and you your
body can the the power of change itself ripples through you and you die um there is a limitation
to warp powers which which is a barrier that separates real space from the warp so when things
want to incur from the warp they take like a massive debuff so if you were to fight
say a demon in the warp you would lose no matter what because it's basically in an unlimited supply
of magic so when they say like the chaos gods are fighting each other in the war most of the time
it's like the great game those battles are nothing compared you know real space battles are nothing
compared to those ones but when they want to go so i was gonna say even isn't there like a bit in
the devastation of ball where mephisto is fighting in the realm of chaos to like stop kabanda getting
to bars like but if he gets there we're screwed and he's just like i'm really powerful this is not
going very well yeah he doesn't he he delays him for like five minutes doesn't sound a chance um
but when demons like particularly want to cross over or other things they want to bring power from
the warp it's massive again like it's massively less powerful than what it would be in the warp
itself it is like fire in a way like you're bringing fire from a massive pot of fire into a
place where it's like oxygen deficient it's really like struggles and particularly they have to use
like again like rituals other things like they have to use other things to maintain the magic
because the magic itself just sort of wants to dissipate kind of is like um is it uh convect not
yeah convection basically it basically wants to spread out and dissipate all over the material
verse um there is a concept as well which is the limitation for demons particularly which the idea
of true names so i think it's in fantasy but not often used as much but in 40k particularly when
something even when something becomes a demon it just gets like the core identity of its being
is stout with like a name so particularly the chapter of gray knights you know the big magic
fighting all psycho you know emperor's gene seed brothers they often align their own name to a name
of like the true name of a demon so they're uniquely skilled at fighting that particular demon and they
draw like certain i think there's also like an element of prestige where the most promising
students are given titles of like particularly powerful demons and entities they're like ah
you're going somewhere have this so you can draw a bit more extra juice from that part of their name
you know yes it was sort of acts like an anti-thing example as well like people if someone knows
someone's true name they can take control of the demon it's not as seemingly just it's not it's
not as easy just saying it and then you're done the example is there's a word bearer called sadu
layak who basically knew the true name of fulgrim and it almost broke his mind and he was prepared
for it he was a psycho and everything but like the idea of speaking a demon's true name particularly
like a demon primark was just unbearably painful and uh soul rending like it forever would taint
him like in a way um there are also side effects on the slightly lower level which is just being
a navigator if one the the idea of uh the concept navigators they have the third eye on their head
so they they would like sort of guide ships through the walks they're able to like look at
the warp ties with their third eye uh just being a navigator eventually you do turn into like a
grueling mess of a thing because whoever stares into the abyss long enough the abyss stares back
into you it's very much that and never get into a staring competition with a navigator it's not
going to go well yeah even and even just coming into contact with unbridled like warp magic as
people have seen the example uh illustrated which is dark tide it just makes people corrupted like
their flesh just ripples with change and pus poison or like sleekness or blood like it just
gets ruined to like to the level where chaos itself is just a pollution in some regard it can
pollute people on a sort of you know like a physical level then also pollutes your soul just
interacting with it unless you are trained like particularly said earlier like think like psychers
and the other limit as colin did mention earlier which is blanks people who basically there's
nothing wrong with these people these people blow up the bathroom at denny's and don't let the
workers know you did it they they these people they are innately born it's like one in less than
one in a million even of them and they're innately born with the ability to essentially be a dulling
effect to the magic of the warp around them they it's very hard to kind of they haven't really
explained exactly how that's possible i don't really know if there should be a how thing because
it's they obviously like you know everything or whatever it might just be like they're born with
like a negative effect of it but it's still magic in some kind of way or it's simply they are born
without it and they have a nullifying effect on it because there's like the pariah gene and isn't
isn't there like a thing where maybe the necrons are involved because the necrons wanted to fight
the eldar and that's like a hold off from like oh we wanted an anti-elder thing yeah it's not as
around anymore uh i know like when the dawn of war like one was coming out like the one of the
one of the necrons like leader character i think his name was like thomas macabee or something like
he was a pariah yeah yeah kind of what moved away from it which is the good and the bad it was cool
while it lasted but i said yeah essentially people who are like blanks or things that are blanks
they're able to have like a negative effect and it essentially magic dies when it's around it
particularly uh i think recently because obviously i read and made stuff on the eyes like eisenhorn
there's a character called beckwin in it who's part of a new novel series probably probably one
of the most exciting things going on in warhammer in terms of book series coming out and beckwin is
a blank and she wonders why everyone like hates her in her life and it's because she puts out such
a negative effect that people feel uncomfortable around her like it's like someone who i the
character as well from kai's k novels juergen my beloved just a boulderic from black adder um my
man his version of it is he puts out like a he basically smells like smells like bad cheese
he's not the stank my man's stanky um but that's like that's the effect he has around things it
can disrupt yeah it can disrupt like uh they're around certain psychers as colin mentioned like
way earlier they get like they experience extreme pain because essentially it's like being somewhat
fried or like being tortured lowkey just being in their presences uh poor eisenhorn who his love
interest is beckwin and he can't even be near her or touch her um pretty much the only people who
can stand them is custodians because custodians and they're just like hmm this is like i'm kind
of annoyed by this person's presence but it's okay and they're like the only ones who can handle
them at like long intervals but yeah so blanks are a cool addition there is something as well
which we i think colin mentioned obsidian which the equivalent on one of 40k side is called black
stone which essentially is a myth it's a current thing in the pariah nexus campaign where it's
like a mysterious ancient like stone like literally a black stone which is meant to be like similar
to obsidian and it has properties such as you can either amplify or dampen uh warp magic so particularly
the imperium right now wants to create things with it the cadems the the pylons of cadia which were
containing parts of the eye of terror like warp things and massive warp tears in reality they're
often shrunk down by pylons created by the necrons and there are potentially things which are the
black star fortresses which are also kind of made from black stone uh also yeah the black stone
fortress are made from black stone and they are like seem they're seemingly like an ancient eldar
recreation it's something it's a relic from an old era pastime such as like the war in heaven
speaking at eldar one of the one of the characters in this game is isha
yeah oh man i don't know how i don't think i i'd say i only died in the first game i did because
i got absolutely beamed by like one heavy attack got up then i got beamed by a sniper
that right playing psycho is fun uh particularly playing dark tide on like the missions where
it's all dark like it's pitch black mode that's particularly uh exciting but yeah that's yeah so
that's most like the limitations on powers as well and also just maybe one thing which is as i
mentioned with the barrier between the warp and real space sometimes like if the sacrifice has
ritual on the material versus end is not enough it just doesn't work it does not really explain
like why like like oh why is this a set like they again like you know you're not meant to think that
you know yeah you're not meant to think about it that hard it's just it didn't like this is what
it requires you didn't meet there you know this is the limitation of you know and obviously bigger
things you know bringing in a demon prince requires greater sacrifice and greater power
and things that don't do that it just basically goes wrong and the last we finish off with the
last part which is if anyone here wants to think about some cool lore moments with psychic powers
i did have one off the cuff which was the from horrors heresy when all the world eaters the only
ones who don't have the butcher's nails left are the world eaters psychers they kind of outcast
no basically no one likes him in the legion because they're like oh you're not you know you
know you didn't get the tattoo brother even in modern 40k it's not even that like sometimes
battle brothers don't necessarily like librarians but they're so different they tend to be quite
anti-social with them they're just like oh like even tigris they're like he's kind of weird i
respect him but i don't want to be his friend you know and it's like i always think the image of
them like in the cafeteria all the battle brothers in groups and they're just the librarian just like
oh he's reading he's fine he's reading in the corner um but a cool moment from the law was
basically when they're trying to save their primal anger on from basically dying from the butcher's
nails because his like his ones are slightly worse than the poorly copied imperial ones that are in
the rest of the world eaters the psych essentially combine themselves like mentally into one
psychic being in the warp and they basically act like their own kind of psychic primark
and they essentially calm uh anger on down but then yeah anger on the again because the trade-off
some of them every time they do this quite a few of them die to the point where at the end
all of them die because they basically it costs too much to actually enact the ritual i know a
cool one i thought of which was uh my boy my overpowered mufistan my chief librarian of the
blood angels in book three the man is able to in the middle of like a aircraft stop time and simply
watch a pilot's head explode and he thinks about he has times like ponder if he should put it back
together or not ridiculously overpowered this guy and then the last part in that book where he
essentially they're fighting thousand sons and he goes there's not enough of me i need to go super
saiyan so he splits his being into three parts he sends his mental mind into like basically another
librarian to basically start playing chess and directing all the other pieces he leaves his body
holding this like burning ritual site by cooling it down with his like his body essentially right
and using his space marine genetics just like sort of semi-heal himself while he's doing it
and then he sends his soul into the war to go chase a greater demon so there's kind of like weird
stuff like that no one else can do that because no one else is as powerful then he's basically
40k's version of dr strange he's like i'm gonna have like a a psychic fight over here and then
my physical body's going through surgery like yeah yeah mufistan you do what you like you're crazy
and then it's not really like a super cool like necessarily like magical moment but
when chief librarian tugurius of the ultramarines made contact with the hive mind of the tyrannids
which is basically it is classed as like a psychic like magical mind but it's not off the warp
that's actually a prior thing i did miss which is like the tyrannids itself its hive mind
is a magical thing in the universe uh to the point where it actually has it has the emotion
spite which is quite funny because it hates blood angels um he made he made a connection with the
hive mind the enormity of like a human being withstanding the might of a being that uh immense is
pretty like you need like so much more lore behind that to understand like how ridiculous that was
um and if anything is anyone a fancy one particularly like maybe with max schreiber
he's might have done something ridiculous that guy he uh i mean he's fought very impressive people
uh although i mean like you said he dual planned call as much you know as much crap as we give
skaven wizards phantom call is not the kind of wizard you want to be on the other end of his
spells you're not winning that fight uh that being said my favorite moment of his just for
how magic can work and just go very wrong is that he found a cursed artifact that a a uh a vampire
was hunting with like intense fervor and he was started looking at this artifact and it was like
covered in layers and layers and layers of defenses and he spent like hours just like
peeling them back bit by bit like all right i gotta i gotta know what this thing is this is
very important to both like our current situation it's also just a clearly a powerful artifact don't
know what it quite is yet but it's important and then he peeled the final layer of the defenses away
and then he found a fragment of a scrap of nagash's consciousness staring back at him
and he just on the spot like dipped out of the ritual like uh just was like i'm done i'm done out
and then passed out from both fear and being overwhelmed by nagash's presence
poor sawed himself wouldn't surprise me which is just i like you like you can find those artifacts
and 40k and warhammer alike where like there's some intensely powerful magic artifact you shouldn't
mess with it it's probably not worth it you might accidentally find out oh this is a sliver of corn
or like poor max oh this is nagash bro found like a toenail clipping of nagash i'm like i'm out
no that's some bad stuff that toenailable clipping probably raises to the dead in a three mile radius
around it i wouldn't want to grow he's gonna really grow from it my lord there's i mean the one
of fancy one i thought of which is the um the vortex which is in the middle of the uh one a
fancy world the uh calador dragon tamer he um managed to gather a lot of the like the ancient
elite high elves in together and they creates the warp vortex portal right in the middle of the
the donut of all the one there continent and essentially it siphons off the magic of the
war from the two uh poles which is where like the in the one of fancy words that's where like the
magic comes from that's where chaos is essentially that's where the gate of chaos was where the old
ones were and it just boom that's where they come like demons all that crap come from there
and they siphon off the power of the uh well the realm of chaos itself into a portal that then i
does it then spit it back out i like cleansed power i think it like it it does a couple different
things like for example like uh sigmar was trapped in it ever since his ascension to godhood like
zinch threw him in it which it holds some amount of magic because between the faith in sigmar people
had and just this ambient magic the vortex he ascended through godhood it also like it does
like spit it out uh some of it like it just gets rid of it i think in some like iterations like
don't know where it goes it's just gone so in some cases it just deletes it uh it can also like it's
cycles back to the realm of chaos uh it does that because if there's too much ambient magic in the
world the demons just can show up at will which you do not want and the high elves that are
currently in the middle of it are they're they're locked in the enchantment aren't they
like they are just constantly like locked in like enchanting for all time well until the
thing unravels yeah they uh like most of the elf mages except for kalidor are like i think it's
just like they're like trapped in magical amber like you ever see those like mosquitoes from like
dinosaur time they're like that just constantly keeping it going kalidor sits a little bit outside
of that just to make sure no one messes with them uh which there was actually there was a funny
moment like when the high elves and the dark elves first split because maleketh and mirathi threw a
hissy fit and unbound the vortex which worked except it also unbound all the incredibly powerful
kick-ass elf mages inside of it so they just blew them up and then reformed the vortex what do they
do what happens the kalidor dragon tamer at the end times then uh teclis's plan gets like to bind
the winds of magic using the vortex as like to help uh went wrong after mirathi went a little
bit insane and uh undid it not helped by tyrian pulling the sword of cain and all the crap going
on there uh kalidor for his part uh when mirathi tried to flee basically just put like armbar or
something like put her in a full nelson it was like i'm going we might be going to go in the
slimesh together but you're coming with me and they he just let himself be dragged into
slimesh's gut so the mirathi would go down with him my boy uh and then an extra thing probably
then fed him to fancy which is parts of the the actual magic of the world could be thrust into
the different colleges concept and then bound into people as like avatars those ideas so that's kind
of like a cool thing it's like you know um if everyone hears watch avatar last airbender
it'll be like someone becoming it's like i am the earth bending like the god of earth bending
one person so it's actually kind of cool because like uh for the supreme patriarch when they decide
a new one uh whichever lore of uh whichever college is lore wins uh that lore actually
becomes like ascendant in altdorf like uh the lore of fire was the guy before gelt so fire magic
flowed through altdorf more strongly when gelt one it switched to metal which i thought was cool
like you can actually fairly easily affect how magic works if uh on a if you put enough effort
into it i thought it reminds me of like you know the navigator houses in one of 40k yeah whichever
one becomes like the grand navigator their progeny become yeah like they do stop aren't they
they um resist and they can see through the wall better yeah they often only have minor houses
become the grand navigator because they keep getting if any of the big houses took it they
would assassinate them so they often like have the minor houses so the minor house they will find
except for like house bellisarius is like oh who's guarding you space walls the space really yeah
we've just got we have a few on retainer because with that in pauses like shit okay please come
try and assassinate me please one guy i was just growling just being nope i'm all right it's fine
i did actually have three quick things i wanted to add hell just imagine one is a very quick one
because i found from old warhammer fantasy roleplay a very fun miscast again i'll just read this one
verbatim while you sleep uh your genitals decide to leave you and run off north to the realm of
chaos in their place you are granted a toothed orifice which stage whispers lewd suggestions
at inappropriate moments yeah thank you thank you games workshop i don't know we need to
take a mess we need to give we need to contact the authorities and be like arrest this man
woman arrest whoever did this uh that that is a real possibility of magic in warhammer fantasy
your balls might decide to leave and become chompers uh the other two things are actual
like notification uh well notices uh divine magic is a bit different kind of like i was saying like
skaven or kind of like paladin's theirs is a bit different though because their god is an
asshole uh like elven this is i i at least from what i've seen and theorize whatever uh
seems to be pretty equal in 40k and fantasy which is that praying to a god like the emperor or you
know sigmar or asurian definitely gives you magical powers and stuff but it's not like
psycher powers or using one of the lords of magic it's it doesn't tend to like it's safer in general
like you're praying to sigmar and they're intercessing so it's more reliable if that
makes sense like the sisters of battle stuff like they don't their prayers and the emperor
don't misfire right like faith magic is yeah it subverts the uh the the go wrong part of it
because like because the belief is absolute so although that being said uh i'm not sure i'm sure
it's true to some extent for 40k i don't know how much but again in warhammer fantasy it absolutely
is uh especially in the role play you can pray to sigmar if you mess up the prayer it might still be
answered sigmar might not be the guy picking up the phone that might be zinch thank you tom warren
for the two bucks says i don't think magic is worth it with the risk true yeah yeah and then
i get the last thing i notice is that uh fantasy it seems to be a little bit safer to be a wizard
over than in 40k uh or at least there's there's a lot more ways to deal with it if it goes wrong
like uh like a side of it's hard like a siker in the guard right he starts going wrong the answer
to that one is the commissar is going to shoot him in the brain now uh there's like a in fantasy
though like one of the lord lore of light is just like hard counter chaos uh like it forces because
chaos you know it's chaos it's disorderly it's all over the place it doesn't follow patterns and
stuff at least raw chaos magic whereas the lore of light is like especially in age of sigma it's like
it's lines it's geometry it's shapes and pure unchanging so you get a lore of light wizard who
shows up it waves his hands around and then all the corn demons kind of just freeze and disintegrate
uh which is just kind of a thing i've noticed is that the ways to keep you safe from magic and
fantasy oftentimes are more magic whereas 40k it's stuff like geller fields which there's
there's magic involved but it's a lot of technology and stuff with it there's you know
yeah it's like half science half yeah they write like um chaos language on geller fields don't
they like they write the inscriptions and bindings that sort of thing but then behind it is like a
gen an actual generator yeah like there is the there is a generator there's the dead dreaming
psych or whatever stuff like that but there is also actual machines going into it whereas a lot
of the stuff in fantasy is the magic has gone wrong send in the magic that counters the stuff
that's going wrong or chaos is invaded get the lore of life wizard where's in like 40k it's all
koc yeah there's there's safer things in magic uh there's like even within magic itself that's very
pointedly evil magic you can still counter chaos uh for example necromancy uh undead are nearly
immune to chaos unless they decide to join chaos uh like when vlad sent some blood dragons to fight
korn which was not a good idea because blood dragons sure love a fight and korn sure loves a
fight and then you got korn corrupted vampire knights and that was not pleasant to deal with
shout out to the guy by who awakened the demon host this actually degenerate man good man he's
not a coward wow there's another boss fight happening yeah that was fun luckily it killed
one person i just like the idea of the blood dragons fighting the forces of korn is it's like
are we winning i think we're winning oh what korn he's got an erection what he's liking it stop run
we need to re-strategize this is true we did have a donation by uh caleb collins who did that he did
say uh this is a battle can cause a certain kind of blood bending like female scaven to do due to
the worst of us colin i don't i don't know what you think i'm into but i assure you the scaven
women are not it nope they busted no no no yeah that was just i guess a semi-related like thing
to end on is which isn't like a criticism of 40k it's just magic and fantasy seems to be a bit more
like fleshed out and versatile there's a chance of like combating chaos whereas in 40k it's like
you're just swimming in the same pool yeah like it can be used to hard counter chaos and stuff
it's all just a little bit more fleshed out which again like i said is not a criticism it's a fantasy
setting the magic's gonna be a lot more important 40k is it's like science fantasy or yeah they're
you know snipers or wizards but it's also i mean there's also the element of of in fantasy it's
like we have academies for this kind of thing whereas 40k it's heresy stop that stop that now
there's more ignorance in 40k where it's like oh here's a alpha level psyka let's like capture them
and make them into something useful like a colexus but then otherwise it's like yeah no bad we're
either killing you or you're going to going to the golden throne where he will kill you
yeah emperor just going yum we did have a thing by mr meal of brother he says uh sick orders that
one corpse we are all supposed to urinate on true truly throg throt or three a throg my beloved
throg be throgging that corpse man um with that being said though that is essentially the sort of
rundown of the magic system has magic in uh 140k and fantasy if anyone else has any um sorry
physically me milov again says yeah house skipping more times model was up there for trash day
and my story is not a bad model i just like to have a bit more like unique things on the
table top like my angron is not angron i think i've said it before my angron is an usher and
vampire angron how has to flex the hipstery like oh no it's not all it's not like all the other
mortarians it's actually no it's actually cheaper though because the age safe on one was like 70
quid and the more time 170 bucks i think 110 you know when i sent colin i sent you that image from
warhammer world of the uh totally not karl franz model i did wonder if you could kit bash that with
selestine with the big wings if that would look cool because i'm like her wings are kind of cool
but like that i don't know you probably could it's just like because i've he's he's right back there
i i should not have pointed behind myself like that that's gonna be
right let me move my thumb in the correct there he is right by my thumb there he is franz himself
it's the wings are very big like very big because it's it's a griffin i think you might be able to
make it look cool it's just a matter of like i don't know how well because they're they're clearly
designed to be like animalistic because it's a griffin versus i mean i mean the you know like
the storm cast not karl for all the celeste prime yeah i think you you could probably make those
look pretty good uh yeah if you get best kaleb collin says uh worth betrayal arabis or griffith
i mean it's technically uh obviously that's um berserk uh it's technically griffith because
arabis was never with anybody in the first place so he what the arabis literally says in his own
like novella thing i never betrayed anyone because i was always loyal to chaos whereas griffith
actually was someone's you know was uh guts as like friend and stuff man berserk is dark like
berserk is like berserk is the perfect level of like it couldn't it shouldn't be worse than that
because at that point then it's just scarring but although even in that novella where it's like
arabis at least did what his parents wanted was like oh you should be more like arabis the nice
kid and he's like okay i'll be more like arabis kills him takes his name but that's not what we
meant why are you like this although andy i've got some uh other wing another newer stormcast
model uh it can be it's one of those ones it can be a name character or a generic one i think these
wings i'll put it the discord i think these wings would be pretty kick ass on celestine oh they look
good yeah oh that yeah this one i keep seeing this in all the memes where it's like what new what
40k players are getting versus this magnificent model like people don't call me older yeah i
appreciate that that's uh that is a shout out to uh ages sigma having the best modeling team
that is a that's even that is a redeemed the character is a redeemed nurgle champion
sure enough called tornis the redeemed that's a cool comp they don't really have redeemed
chaos things in 40k the funny thing about that is that nurgle seems to be at the ass end of all the
redemption stuff because it didn't happen but like in a god blight the emperor was like hey martarian
look one day maybe might be able to redeem you was the at end intentional because that's kind of
punny with nurgle was the what oh it was not it was a happy coincidence is what that was the redemption
it started in the mouth and then he went all the way through the chaos tract and then came out
redeemed before we get way too off topic though uh that generally was the magic in warhammer 40k
and fantasy uh who else has any other thoughts to share generally is kind of the entire iceberg of
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