Hello everyone, we are Suss at Lore Crimes, where there is never any tech-
Cool difficulties ever.
How does that feel then?
Somebody did become a member before we started. Sharkbornmir1074, welcome to Lore Crimes.
Thank you very much.
I'm going to go ahead and start the video.
Andy, you still there?
I've been accused of having four balls.
Why?
You have a lot of testosterone.
I've done something. In high school we went to Burger King, I stepped up on the table and I said attention and I T-Posed.
It was really quick. I was like 16.
The British in me is haunted by the fact that you could disturb other people's time.
The only people whose time matters is mine and my friends.
Especially when you're a teenager.
I'm not going to say that.
I'm going to say that.
I hear you kill bosses.
I don't want to know.
I'm going to say that.
Imagine being a YouTuber from software games.
When things come out, the eating is good.
The content is good.
Fantastic game.
The gaps between things is long.
I'm going to say that.
I'm going to say that's not helping me.
I follow Melania.
My brain is rotting.
Somebody is simp.
I'm going to say that.
He's in our hearts.
He's so over it.
I'm going to say that.
We love you all equally.
It can be a little bit influenced from tabletop.
If people are asking, is it the most beloved in the fandom?
Maybe that's the criteria.
I'm not sure.
If everyone is like, where is so and so, I can always put them in.
Here is the list.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
Tom warrants can see it.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
He will be on that fancy list.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
If you want us to add anyone specifically,
let's start at the top.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
Everyone loves the emperor.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
It's a mixed opinion, but as an overall main dish of Warhammer,
you have to like the emperor.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
Even if you hate him, you can still like Erebus.
I'm going to put it in the chat.
Oh, I would have thought possibly in the War of the Beast as well as long Janice, but it's
not confirmed.
There was another one called Ra.
He's the one who the Emperor shanks with the Drakne and Abaddon's demon sword and they
says run.
Yeah, he's like, he's a sheaf.
He's a human sheaf.
Who cares?
He's just like, oh, Jack the end.
Oh, so yeah, I think like I'm on kind of cool.
He's got about I'd say he's got more personality than Baldor, but he just doesn't get much
time.
Yeah, he's in a few of the siege of terror books.
Yeah, it's not a standout amongst that series.
Right.
So now we're going to go through like the legions like from one to 20 as well from the
Dark Angels.
I mean, I haven't read the book with him in time, but it looked cool.
And I also always liked his picture in the Codex.
You know what?
It's dark angels are really like I was surprised that honey, if you actually play Dark Angels
in the tabletop in the community.
So he's probably mostly well light for the fact that he's pretty decent.
But I'm at least be I mean, if they're popular from table, I got a P already.
I think as real school, he probably gets beer right here.
He's kind of a bit boring.
I won't lie as a character, though, like I don't think he's distinguished from many of
the other.
He's like the Dark Angel is Dark Angel.
If you know, I mean, like he doesn't tell anyone when he started.
True, truly, he's everything to himself.
My Duchess.
He's like King, King Stoic, like, okay, it's like he's like the Marcus Aurelius of the
Space Marines is just like, yeah, I'm pretty stoic and all that.
You're like, cool.
Yeah, a bit mid, if I'm honest, as a character, as a character people just saying.
Yeah, I think now, but but but I've in the comments saying says, as well is she's written
is half the time he's an asshole other half he's just misunderstood.
So yeah, yeah.
I've had to put asthma die here because of the memes pretty much eight here.
Surely, the amount of times people reference.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Was that book?
Look, the model goes hard as well.
Too fair.
This model is even like that is a good model.
I mean, Dark Angel's aesthetic is fucking peak Space Marine aesthetic.
Yeah, I mean, I don't have one.
I've not read anything with him in it.
So I can't say I personally feel that strongly, but I think he people were pretty hype for
his model and things come out and mean he's got your skull helm looking badass.
He's cool.
I think
the beat here.
I mean, you know, right in the middle, he's not for dark angels.
Or you for bangel.
Oh, the lion in a wrong order.
So I quite like the line.
But I don't know if I like him as much as malcador.
I don't know.
I hit miss.
If you read too much of the lines books, funny enough, you like him less.
Like I told you.
There was a comment earlier that was saying lion old lion is seated.
New lion is a tier.
It's like, hmm.
Yeah, that is kind of true to be fair.
He was a bit of a dickhead on his on the list.
Yeah, I mean, Kavanda's mighty long of Cygnus.
I'm literally I'm pretty sure I'm pretty working on a video.
Kavanda's mighty long.
Where's Khan Khan is on the list.
He's a bit later on.
I think I'm looking at him.
He's like, yeah, I just don't.
Again, the line is one of those things where if we had a Sandman of terror on, he probably
be literally trying to find our addresses and hunt us down.
Yeah.
He's cool.
The static is really cool.
But then, like, even when they were in the Horus heresy books, they didn't do all that
much.
They were just kind of there.
They like the nice the roundtable.
They're pretty cool looking.
Yeah.
First among equals.
Yeah.
One of the things was like, weren't they like in the vague background of places that weren't,
you know, being focused on.
It's like, yeah, we were fighting the traitors like all those nine years.
You just didn't get to see any of it.
It was all in the background.
We swear we were.
Yeah, they do waste like three years fighting the Night Lords as well, whether just there
to be distracted.
And then all of Gillamans house.
Yeah.
Pretty much.
The reason there is that because before like old lore, the Dark Ages weren't really mentioned
that much in the Horus heresy.
So they had to the rise that you had to expand on that by saying the fact like Conrad Kurs
taunts a lion by saying, oh, they'll call you a traitor because you weren't at terror.
You weren't, you know, people will think you weren't, you know, really on our side.
He's like, shut up.
It's not my phone.
Yeah, I think BG fair is better.
Luther.
I mean, if again, like, I hate to be the one who says it all the time, but if you haven't
read the stuff is he is extremely made.
He's kind of cool in the books.
He's like, he's very much like, I should have been King Arthur, like I am the King Arthur,
but then there was like King Mega Arthur.
He spawned.
He beats the lion.
I'm thinking of that.
I don't know why you put me that image in my head of that like that.
I am a surgeon.
Me like, I am I am a knight.
I am a knight.
He did get it all taken away from him.
Yeah.
Well, I do think C just because it's not no one is like, oh, can't believe it's not the
table.
You know, I mean, no one's no one's juicing for Luther lore.
He's still got his own book.
Yeah, he got his own book.
And the siege.
It was like a siege of terror.
And I see he's a spinoff.
He's a skate from the rock.
The rock.
Yes.
The Johnson Dylan Gossai donated two euros and said, put all characters of connection
to corn in S.
Thank you.
I think we can put Luther in detail, honestly.
Yeah.
Okay.
He's cool.
And he's like, he's so much in premise, but he just doesn't do much again.
Even in the horse areas, he's like he meets up with Callus Typhon.
He's just like, Hello, brother, how's it going?
And they just chat.
And that's all he does.
He just chats and reads books.
Also gets corrupted by chaos.
Just chilling out.
That's how he gets corrupted by chaos.
He just reads books.
Bad books.
Okay, this is the one that will actually divide people.
Sponsored by Lore crimes.
Never read a book.
Don't read.
I've read a lot.
You're a nerd.
Cypher's cool.
He has a cool mind.
I don't know his name very well though.
We've got two donations, by the way.
We've got one from angry homunculus for five pounds saying, put Sevatar and Estia because
of what other ways did you try beyond skinning children?
That was a bad one.
That's just what you do.
Stealthy47 donated two dollars saying, where's Optimus Prime?
He's too epic for this to list.
At your mum's house.
Yeah.
Sorry about that.
I'm joking.
On called four?
I know.
Yeah, Cypher's kind of like, the whole shtick is like, he's cool because he's like the mystery
behind it.
I'm getting intrigued by it.
So I hope they actually just don't end up revealing who he is.
Because it's the same thing with the missing Primors.
Once you know, it's like, well, what else is there?
It's not fun anymore.
Yeah.
He might be an A-tier, but it'll probably be bottom of A.
Yeah.
At least he's doing stuff as well.
He's like, ah, I'm going to help Gilliman get to terror and I'm going to be really important
to the story.
And then I'm going to get shafted because custodians are mean.
And then I'm gone.
Poor guy.
I can't wait till we get to Leman Rust, the hate will spill.
Next one is?
Fulgrim?
I'm going to read the code.
Fulgrim.
I feel like he's half loved, half hated, just like similar to the Emperor.
He's probably B-tier.
You know what?
He's well liked and well loved, except for how he got corrupted.
Like the main thing about his storyline, to be fair.
That's a lot of characters.
I'd like Fulgrim's fall to chaos so much.
I wish it was the Peeta Sword.
The Peeta Sword?
Isn't the Peeta Sword the best thing about Warhammer?
What Warhammer books are you reading?
None, because I listen to them.
Oh, okay.
It's rare I read them because of us.
Fulgrim do not deserve it all.
You think that you haven't read the books?
Holy.
All right.
What?
Falling?
Yeah.
I don't know.
Fulgrim was a G when he was not corrupted.
Then he found a sword and then it was all over.
Unfortunately, all the demon primarchs deserve falling because this lore was written 40 years
ago and we needed to have that.
Money Cop, $2 thank you.
I'm blind is Valerian and Alea on there.
I've just added them.
I like them.
I really like the Watchers of the Framed books.
I'm going to put them in...
I want to say A.
I really enjoyed these two.
Sure.
All I'm saying is a good...
There's only two books at the moment.
Yeah.
The thing is, Alea is pretty much the only Sisters of Silence book in 40k character.
It's really interesting how the two interact and how Valerian is a bit of a scholar as
much as a warrior.
How they deal with the Minotaurs and the Imperial Fists and the bureaucrats.
I really like that book.
These two were brimming with character and it's a shame that they've only done two books.
Shout out to the small side characters that we can't put materialist.
I was saying to Andy before we started, it's the guy who in the Necron book just literally
goes, summon the monoliths.
That guy's quadruple S too.
There's also probably a bunch of side characters in the Kifers Kay novels who I just would
love.
Oh, Parker Summoner says, how whenque we expect a Fabius Bile character video.
Bruh, I mean, I've kind of got to wait a little while because I've got too many good characters
to cook up but obviously that one.
What was that?
No, what I mean is I've got too many that I'm getting to first.
I've got too many that I'm getting to first before I can get to the other one.
Okay buddy.
It's documented in USA, thank you for the $2.
I came out wrong, didn't it?
Fulgrim played by Nicolas Cage, I agree.
I'm like a face off type, face off Nicolas Cage would be Fulgrim.
Sadly 47, thank you for the $2.
Tara's, I don't know if it's the same mesh like Tier Carrots on this list.
Well Tara Sarin isn't the main hell that she's been thrown into by redditors.
That's where she is.
Too many artists going, oh I'm going to draw her abs.
Like guys, calm down.
I'm a fan already on the floor ready to be stabbed.
Fabius is amazing.
Hard to talk about.
Especially after Hal's comment that he just did two minutes ago.
I didn't mean it like that.
How is he writing this good characters book, who doesn't suck?
I've got too many good characters I'm getting to first but I'm really eager to cover at
the moment.
You guys are bastards.
What's the next one?
Saul Tarvitz.
Yeah, I like Saul but he's only in a couple of books so I understand that while he makes
a big impression he's kind of sub-perfluous after like the first two books.
Well who doesn't like Saul Tarvitz?
His best part I think, his best thing about him is he's not a degenerate.
In the English film that's a big thing.
I'd put him in a tier, I don't know.
I feel like everyone likes him.
He went down on the ship on his own.
From his own Navalia.
So I was reading a comment earlier.
Lucius.
Fucking D tier.
Everyone hates Lucius.
He sucks.
I don't hate him but everyone else does.
It's fine, I've got sword skills even though I lose all the time.
Yeah, sword stuff.
Is that the Beatles meme where someone's like Ringo's not even the best drummer in the Beatles?
Not really a meme just an interview.
Someone did that before.
It's a meme I've seen of someone like Ang Lucius isn't even the best sword skill?
Yeah it was that.
I saw that the other day.
What makes him kind of uninteresting is he's not a great representation of like Sonesh
corruption at all.
Like he even admits he barely follows Sonesh.
What a shame.
Alright, another one.
D tier, Bertharabo.
He's B tier.
Oh my gosh.
This is, I can't explain like, I'm gonna say the phrase again.
If you read the books, this is like someone saying, oh you know the prequel, Revenge of
the Sith was like, you know, not that great.
That's like, that's how it hears in my head when someone says Peter Robbo.
Peter Turbo.
Mr. Bertharabo is not that.
Bro he's like.
Bertharabo's birth was the worst event in my whole life.
So clearly half Lord Crimes hate him and half love him.
By the end of the Horus Heresy, every book he's in, the dude is the main character.
He has the personality of a sandpaper condom.
I don't know his name.
Does the guy who's read Zero Horus Heresy books?
Yeah, I will continue to be uninformed.
And guess how many books he's in after the Horus Heresy.
Big fat zero.
What is his name?
What is his other trait of private?
What is his B tier?
Oh god.
Not more Tarion's in a book, he gets his heart blown out.
If I had win a bet with Colin something, I'd make him read the Bertharabo Primark book.
Thank you for the two dollars.
Gamer Josh White 97.
Painting Fabius Bauer right now.
Love him but hate the backpack.
It's a cool model.
Thank you for the two dollars.
And then two from Bert Bavid.
You know, thank you.
I like the Watchers books.
All two of them.
Right?
And then the author is the author.
Are you shaming him?
Are you trying to summon him?
This is the guy who wrote all of the Horus Heresy White Scar books.
He's basically the best author they have right now.
So although I found a bit trivial.
James Swallow, who's my one of my favorite book writers, he does the Blood Angel stuff.
He's the highest rated writer for the Horus Heresy books of all the ones that got into
the New York Times bestseller list.
So his book did the best of all of them.
Nice.
Thanks.
Three donations.
Thank you, fellas.
Thank you, brothers.
Thank you.
Joe Kendrick Dallas went through easy characters without Rylenor.
Yeah, sorry.
Everyone loves Rylenor though, at least.
Dr. Man USA, thank you.
Dicks out for Garvey O'Loken.
Yeah, for real.
And then Fuzhu.
Do you remember?
What?
I was like, do you remember when people would say dicks out for Harambe?
That was like 10 years ago.
Can't wait for John Gramatica's turn, the most beloved character in the entire community.
I was going to say, have you seen that rare fairly recent read?
And I was like, hey, you know, Biggie, I'm so good.
I'll be saying something controversial now.
I think Rylenor was overrated.
I mean, like anything.
Anything that's been memed to hell.
He's cool.
He's not the freaking-
He very rarely appears in the horrors of heresy.
And he has like that cool bit where he tells Fulgrim he's a piece of shit.
But like, the other characters have so many other moments like that.
I think he's-
Yeah.
I mean, he's obviously not the best character.
He's got like five minutes screen time.
He's cool while he's on screen.
Shout out to Lucas saying, where is Eliphas the inheritor?
I actually rate that so much.
Okay, I'll put him in.
Okay.
Well, if I may, Phorix.
Well, it's Phorix from the Iron Warriors.
He has some cool stuff with the-
He's always like the one in the Iron Warriors.
He doesn't want to be there, but he has to, which is kind of interesting.
I wouldn't want to be in the Iron Warriors either.
That's not even making fun of Pertorado on that one.
That is not a fun Legion to be in.
Is it?
Yeah.
He's like one of the top three.
And he's like, I hate my Legion.
The actual Iron Warrior characters that are super introspective, they'll basically all
end up dying or becoming demons.
So yeah.
Yeah, that's not a fan.
By the end you get to 40k, there's only like one interesting one called Hong Chu.
Are you telling me the people who are smart and introspective don't sell their soul to
demons?
It's almost like the only people left are gonna-
Quite a few of them were against their will, because Pertorado turns them into essentially-
he needs demons to torture so he can get information.
Column will be decimated day one.
I wouldn't be in the Space Marine Legion to begin with.
I don't want to be a Space Marine, bro.
You want to be a Spartan?
No, I don't.
I can already predict where the next-
You can see it right there, yeah.
Well, he-
Coming back up he's here.
He's back.
He's coming back up he's here.
We missed you, brother.
I see you earlier in the stream.
We later said, where were you?
Where is Boing Go?
The most beloved Warhammer character is Boing Go.
Yep.
Amen.
The only good icon is like everyone likes J. It's high.
Alright.
That's the-
The more Andy goes off about him, the less I like him.
You're freaking me out.
You're like-
Andy, I'm not gonna disagree with your placement.
I just want to go through a mental exercise with you, right?
Okay.
The Primarchs were all like shaped- obviously, like they all have the role Biggie gave them,
right?
But they also were shaped by their homeworlds, yes?
Yeah.
So where they were born fundamentally made them who they were.
He grew up on Chagoras, right?
Yep.
Right?
Okay.
Now-
Yep.
So with everything that in mind- oh, he also loves going fast, yes?
Yep.
So with all that in mind, how does it feel to know he's just a puppet of the laughing
god and is a Harlequin right now?
We don't know that.
Cringe.
Yet another Eldar victory.
Well, who put him on-
For all we know, he's having margaritas in camera with his new girlfriends.
It's fine.
Who put him on Chagoras, Andy?
Who switched his pod with Fulgrim?
Oh, you know, sometimes-
It was a clown.
Best of a- best of a bad- as far as best of a bad situation, like, oh, he had a great
time.
This doesn't even need to be argued.
Went with the flow.
The Khan is an S2 character.
But the Khan-
The Khan is a puppet of the laughing god.
We will see.
I'm just saying I'm looking forward to when he comes back.
I'll be very happy.
I hope he comes back in Chagoras' pants.
Oh, my god.
I hope there's a passage at one point where he gets in a scrap with Avedon and he compares
the length of his beard with Avedon's top- not as good as mine's longer than yours.
Next character, Shiban Khan.
He saves a baby during the Siege of Perra.
Yeah.
He saves an actual baby.
I could respect that.
I like that passage.
Yeah.
This guy's got an expressive-
I know I've said- don't read- but I do read passages.
I like that one a lot.
He, uh, is talking-
He's talking to the East.
He's trying to inform the Legion that they are about to be, like, half-nil but gonna
side with Horus.
They attack the traitor half, and he basically lost, like, most of his limbs.
And so now he's-
He got Anakin'd.
He basically did, yeah.
And now he's Mr- he's like a robotic-
Is he- is he one of the most iconic characters in Warhammer, though?
Surely he's not Estir.
He saved a baby.
He's the leader of the One-Star.
He saves Terra.
Yeah.
He's the leader of the One-Star.
He rode a bike into an-
Into a spaceship.
I've read the whole series of the One-Star's books, and I don't- like, that was years ago
to be fair.
Colin, you know that bit at the end of Halo 1 where you ride a warthog into the ship right
at the end?
Yeah.
Like, Shiban did that with a motorbike.
This guy's Estir and Malchor are A-tier?
That's crazy.
And he's convinced that he compared it to a warthog run.
He's Estir.
He is not Estir, unfortunately.
He's not Estir.
He knows how to get me on his side.
Oh, I'm on the top of A-tier, because he's well-cooled.
Estir is fine.
He has, like- and he also is in, like, a surprising amount of books.
And he even has a short story about how he takes Torgon's sword to one of his descendants
and is like, he is going- shit's gonna get real soon.
Oh, where can I put this?
That's safe.
Nowhere.
Have fun.
Did we read the last donations?
Nope.
Not yet.
Nope.
Thank you, guys.
I'm gonna go ahead and read the last donations.
Hell, this one's for you.
Oh, thank you, Hell, for explaining things to the listening audience.
As someone who listens, this is a- as a podcast, it helps a lot.
I keep it in mind, brother.
Thank you.
Also, Louis Rodriguez, $2.00.
Thank you.
Kitten Estir.
Everybody loves Kitten.
But is he a real character?
Yu-Gi-Oh.
Maybe his name's pronounced like An.
And he puts Shibon in, like, B-tier.
Because he's not more liked than the Emperor.
He's just not- he is not even close.
No one would ever say, oh my god, I'm raging- I'm raging with Shibon.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Well, if that's the case, can we put Tagu Taiyusu guy in Estir?
Bro, come on!
He saves an entire legion with his own sacrifice.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Since Andy, I have Copium, but you-
I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
Andy is the Copium.
I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
He does a Malkador.
He sits on, like, the edgier version of the Golden Throne, he integrates himself in order
to, like, get the white scars to the Throne world.
He saves an entire legion's worth of Vastatis for the final battle, where it's, like, important.
Andy's a cool dude.
Andy helps-
He is the founder of the Children's Best Friend.
He will then become the founder of the Grey Knights.
He's his childhood best friend.
He's his advisor.
He's really cool.
He's there during the Council of Nikea.
And he's like, oh no, bro, biggie, maybe psychers ain't so bad, you know?
Oh well.
He's great.
He's a, he's a- if you've read the white scars, he's comparable to Saul Tarvitz level of,
like, if people have read it, they're like, they like him as much as they like Saul Tarvitz.
I get you putting him above him.
I don't think people- in the fandom-
Yeah, he's in more books.
Andy, in the fandom, people like-
He's in more books.
He's done more stuff.
Lucius, Lucius in more books.
It doesn't mean people like him, but no one likes Lucius.
That's a good point.
It's just the very, like, people like both characters, but he does more, and he's in
more books.
Andy, it's okay, like, we- I do like him, but I'm very aware, like, he's not, he's not
above the likes of Saul.
Yes, thank you.
Boo.
Lyle, Leman, Russ, here we go.
Hold on a second, I just gotta make something.
Give Leman eight tier for-
What did you say?
Eight tier?
Yeah, I like Leman.
I hate his kids.
There we go.
Well, I would put him in C tier.
You're insane.
Ooh, what?
C tier?
C tier.
I don't like the fact that his whole shtick is, oh, I'm playing the role of a barbarian,
when he basically, there's no, like, and then he secretly, like, made use of the fact, like,
he's playing his barbarian role.
Like, everyone who needs to see through it sees through it, and he basically ends up
doing the same thing that a reckless barbarian would do anyway.
I suppose it is, there is just a little bit of a, I was only pretending to be stupid.
But I did a stupid thing anyway.
Yeah, so I don't even, he's like that guy, he's like, I'm crushing beer cans on my forehead.
I don't even like alcohol.
It's like, but why did you have five pegs?
I swear I'm drinking this beer for the Emperor.
I'm doing it ironically.
It's like, sure, Leman, sure.
My dude arrived at terror with, like, half a legion still alive, and he basically went,
Dorn was like, yo, oh, amazing, we could use you to help defend Terry.
But no, I'm a pretend to be a stupid idiot, and I'm gonna go attack Horus, he'll never
see it coming.
They do it.
Non-caf, need to be.
He doesn't win.
He doesn't kill one.
Doesn't, doesn't, doesn't manage to kill Horus, and then they basically lose most of the space
wolves, so.
Although I do like how he causes Horus to have, like, post puncture clarity and go like,
no, I am evil.
Thanks for giving me the option, but I am evil, just so you know.
Aw.
Yeah.
But, but, no, I'm evil.
Appreciate how terror was in a worse state, because Leman Russ pointlessly threw his legion
at Horus, and basically went, he'll never, he'll never see it coming, because he thinks
I'm an idiot, but he knows I'm not an idiot.
Whoopsie.
Fuck that.
Still in goths, I donated two euros, and said Leman got kicked by Angron, and got roasted
at once.
He's pretty introspective, wasn't there something, like, he was reading something Lorgar wrote,
and was like, yeah, that's some good shit.
The dialogue, his dialogue is good when he's not surrounded by space wolves.
Yeah.
That's the space wolf fault, not his.
He's not more liked than Fulgrym.
You know what he just reminded me of?
He's like Sully in the second Monsters Inc film, because he's like, when he's around
the other guy, he's like, yeah, I'm a party animal, but, and then, like, he's more introspective
when he's with Mike Wazowski.
Mike Wazowski, I guess, is Malkador in this situation?
I don't know.
I would, look.
I'm confused.
Isn't he also the only Primarch who liked, like, liked Malkador?
He's like, yeah, he's like, no.
He was like his protege.
Yeah.
How far is he like?
He's not the only one that liked, but was like the one who was like, yeah, he's Uncle
Malkador.
Yeah, they played regicide a lot.
And he got on more with Katniss.
Leman Russ is not more well liked than Fulgrym.
Come on.
Oh yeah, he totally is.
He totally is.
No, he's not.
He totally is.
He's much more hated.
As a Fulgrym fan, I know Leman Russ is liked more.
He is much more the Marmite.
He is despised or loved.
There's more Space Wolf fans than Empress Children's fans, as we can see simply by Space
Wolf's having a codex, Empress Children having 20 year old upgrade kits for Noisemurts.
Maybe put him below the, maybe, no, he's about as liked and loved and hated as the Emperor.
Is he?
Maybe more, maybe above the Emperor.
I love Leman.
Leman's a good man.
Yeah, like, I don't know.
How's takes?
I don't know.
I'm Reed.
Bro, we've read it.
You know what I mean?
We're coming, we're attacking these, some of these with a much faster array of like contests.
Luis Rodriguez, Magnus S tier, Emperor King's opinion.
No.
Even how the Miss Magnus is.
D.
Thousand Sons.
My favorite part of Thousand Sons novel is the fact when they literally, Magnus says,
we will have to die for the Imperium.
And they all went, no, screw you, you suck.
No, I don't.
I'm going to go out there and kick wolves.
Caleb Collins donated $199 saying, brother, Azron from, from Flash Kits is triple S.
Yes, brother.
Is that the one that kills furries?
Yeah, I think so.
I haven't seen the last like 340k things from Flash Kits.
I've been lacking.
The one they did like a few days ago is really good.
They made it, oh yeah, they did make another one.
It's about Bluey.
Is it Bluey?
That's one of them I recommended.
Why are they, why are they fighting Bluey?
That's a kids show.
Oh, it's because of the infestation of furries.
So they get like.
What's the next one?
We got to install Adblock on Andy's computer.
Yeah, I'll get around to it.
In the remaster, I'll just cut it out.
It's fine.
Bjorn, Bjorn the Fel Hand did his next.
Yeah, he's like eights here.
I mean, who doesn't like him?
He's just a guy.
Was that a purposeful cough?
How was that?
No, I've been ill.
So I'm, actually I might get some water for a bit, brothers.
It was just the timing.
He's just like, no one doesn't like me.
And he just went.
I'll be back in a second.
Oh no, before I go though, Ragnar is at least a.
I love Ragnar Blackman, but he is a space-full fish.
Which means a lot of people hate him.
Yeah, it does get down because of that.
But his novels are like fantasy novels.
They're literally a fantasy novel, his first one, which is cool.
Like if anyone wants to get into 40k and they just read fancy books before, read the Ragnar
one.
Because William King, who also wrote Godric and Felix, wrote Ragnar Blackman.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
So that's a high, the authors go to with like his work.
And they've put them on audible now, which.
Back in a second.
Okay.
The next one is Lucas the trickster.
He's also, I'm going to put a grenade in my heart.
I feel like, I feel like he's less known than like Ragnar and space Wolf and sucks for it,
but I vote he goes in last year.
Cause with the way his old rule, his rule was written in old times.
You put them next to a Titan and then you took out the 3000 point model.
And then you put the baby.
He also has his own book and it's pretty fun.
He trolls the dark elder a lot.
And he kind of dies, not really.
Caleb just put G tier for grenade.
I'll allow it.
How about that?
Do I care or want to care about his character?
No, but the idea of some dude who brings a Titan to a friendly game of warhammer and then
gets Lucas the trickster.
It's still works with like any character though.
Right?
So like throwing them at Abaddon.
I think like it still works on characters.
So Abaddon is just gone.
Why did Mr. Mr. Why we said when Hal turns on his cam, it wouldn't be your body bag.
I don't know.
What did I miss?
Abaddon's like, Midas Primarch.
Yeah, see your beats here, I guess.
Would you like him more if his armor wasn't, if they weren't, just like, for real, I like
it more if you wore a hard hat.
He doesn't.
He should.
I think I'm like, to borrow Colin's language, I can appreciate Dawn, but I don't think I
like hate or love Dawn that much.
Abaddon has to be just like, present.
And he's that guy.
He's here.
He in fact is a Primarch.
He's not making waves.
He's not upsetting anyone.
He's Mr. Mr. Primarch.
Oh, where's old one eye, by the way?
Where's old one eye?
Thank you, Selby 47 for the $2.
Where's Mr. Primarch?
It's a G.
It's really a character.
Yeah, I don't know if I would call him even a character.
He's more like a force of nature than anything.
Sigismund.
Everyone loves Sigismund, right?
Like he's S.T.
I really relate to his autism.
You've been asking me for an Exodite video for about six months, I think.
Two weeks.
I'm getting high, eh?
S.T.
Everyone likes Sigismund.
I've never heard someone say they don't like Sigismund.
He's got a sword and he's good at the sword.
He's like, extremely OP, like nobody would beat him.
He's just a regular space marine.
Except for Abaddon.
Does Marielle have a conversation about him being overrated like two months ago?
Yeah.
This is why I'm like S.T.
The community loves him.
I've never heard someone say they don't like Sigismund.
But he's not really like anyone's favorite.
It's more like, oh, we really like Black Templar.
He's like the best fighter, but that's not a great character, necessarily.
His character is interesting.
Cigitera, like the whole two books that I've read.
His whole thing is a crisis of faith.
So he's like one of the first.
Like, Joe Kelly, this Farsight book.
He's like one of the first like religious space marines.
Yeah, that is cool.
I've read like 20 horse heresy books,
but I feel like I've read Zero when I talk with you guys.
It feels so bad.
Well, to be fair, it's our job, though.
So.
To read it.
Yeah.
To be honest, once you've gone over the hump of like listening
or reading to 64 books of the horror charity,
then you can be like, what else can I talk about?
I'm just living at 40 K, I guess.
Yeah.
Cause at the moment I'm going through Lazarus.
So that's a bit of fun.
Is that Vulcan? Who's next?
Who's that?
Conrad Kers.
No, this is Conrad Kers.
That's an artwork, which is to represent when he became the king of
Nostromo.
I thought that was Creed.
I was, I was in a rush to make the tier and I went, that'll do.
So I picked that one.
I think he is pretty like,
there's obviously some like detract because he is edgy,
but he's still pretty well loved.
Just as the character in general.
I'll be in the book.
He's dead.
So they can't ruin him anymore.
True.
Caleb Collins.
Thank you for the $5.
Alpha Boosa's interpretation of Dorn,
door and Magnus Marcus are the best primarch iterations.
American football beat soccer.
I've.
Nice big big.
So five doors.
Also plastic bag.
I do read lots of books.
It is not Horace Heresy books.
or a Pharisee books, that's all. And they're mostly cool books, not space plane books.
How dare you. How dare you flexing on your bike. Sipping your caffeine free drink.
It's pretty good going for Necrons at the moment because the books are Necrons.
Yeah, maybe. I'm listening to Deadman Wallace over there being like, where's my good bookers?
I gave up on elder books a long time ago. Please name us the definition of weaponized
autism. Very true. He's just like me. I understand how he feels.
I think Conrad Kurz is A tier at least.
Yeah, I agree. I think he has more love than hate.
Maybe even just because there's so many people who played, I should know the next character,
we'll probably get there. But yeah, speaking of the next character though, Talos,
from what I can, even just seeing the analytics on my own channel from the video I did,
because the Knight Lord trilogy is one of the best ways to enter the series, is S tier.
He seems pretty cool. Joe Ken 499, thank you.
Rogal is as interesting as a brick wall at times, but boy, his seed, excuse me,
made the best characters slash successors. That is true. I agree with that. Ziggy Boy,
Grimaldi, Alexis Pollard, Cantor, Soul Triggers, Leon Leon, thank you for the 10 European dollars.
No, Grimaldi? I don't know. Maybe not.
He's later on. He's after the main ones.
We have a very long list here.
I think Talos could go into S tier, just because he is like,
I feel like everyone.
Mutiwise well loved. Sevatar, right next to Talos, just pretty loved.
Sanguineous, nobody hates Sanguineous.
Nobody hates him, but I think he is maybe overrated.
Compared to the rest of us.
I mean, if we're going to put Sigismund in S for being like the best fighter,
and that's why people like him, surely we can put Sanguineous in the S tier for being
the most likeable guy.
Maybe Sigismund goes to the bottom in the S tier.
In the tier where it's who your people love, and it's the guy who everyone loves.
We've got to put him in S tier, surely.
I don't mind him. I just feel like people like Sanguineous because
other people like Sanguineous, so then they just assume he's cool.
To be fair, a lot of people play Blood Angels.
Blood Angels are the coolest looking, so I mean.
Yeah, I think maybe put...
Dark Angels are right there, Eli, come on.
Okay.
Sigismund at the bottom of S tier.
I'm just saying Sanguineous goes up.
Another great one.
Oh, I mean, S tier as well, to be fair.
Yeah.
Everyone likes Dante.
The man just can't wait to get...
Better killed.
Can't wait to get split in half in the light of day.
My dude is rated gold.
Just like, no, no.
You're gonna say just like me, huh?
Yeah.
I was gonna say something horrid like that, and then I didn't for once.
For some reason.
How, when you said split, I thought, would you like a Balana split?
A Baal banana.
They don't have bananas on Baals, do they?
They have like, maybe.
Scorpions.
Scorpions, beetles, and Baal manna.
Thirst water or something.
It's like a moss that eats people.
Yeah.
Mephiston.
He's also cool.
He's a Blood Angel, and he's strong.
I like it.
I like Mephiston, because he's a...
He's exactly what you got on the tin.
I've totally read the Blood Angels books, but I totally know what I'm talking about.
The thing is, it's like...
He's in fact a Blood Angel.
If Sigismund put all of his stats into strength, he put it in magic.
That's basically the difference.
I'll say there's a reason there's like, literally one Blood Angels video on my entire channel
with like 500 videos.
And it's because I know nothing about them.
I think Mephiston maybe is liked as much as I am.
Maybe is liked as much as Saul Tarvitz.
Yeah, I feel it.
He's a character you should...
For all the love he gets, all the people are like, oh, he's OP, he's boring.
There's lots of death to him as a character from the books, but he's also a character you don't have to think too hard about and enjoy.
Because he's just like, yes, I will invert you inside out.
I did like his bits in the Wrathen omnibus, but no one's read it because it's really old.
And it's James Swallow again, but it's really good.
Cool.
If you should read it.
Iron Manus.
I love you, Therys.
I'll always love you, Therys.
No matter what they say.
Or how bad you really are.
Yeah.
Pain.
That'll do.
Right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Right about him.
Shadrach Medusen.
People like him, but not everyone's heard of him.
Yeah, he has the Shiban effect where it's like, he's great, but no one's read his books, apparently.
I read books about him 10 years ago, and I totally remember what he's saying.
Not more than Fulgrim, surely.
Yeah.
I mean, I actually felt something when he died, whereas like most characters I'm like, oh.
Whereas he was like, he's doing so well.
He was like a Game of Thrones character in Warhammer.
I was like, why him?
He was the best of them.
He was the only character I ever read.
Angra.
Probably Leetir.
Similar to Fulgrim, maybe?
Maybe higher than Fulgrim, though.
I just like him for his clap backs against like, Gilliman being like.
He has the issue where all the Reddit plague has just called him like a man-baby stuff, like stuff like that.
Who?
The Redditors.
No, I didn't hear the character name.
Angra.
Angry Ron.
He has the same issue with Perturabob, or, you know, Colin just hates him just because he's funny.
I like Agram.
True. You know what I mean.
His tabletop, I, you know, corn, therefore I hate him because the tabletop is haha, I move next to you, fuck you.
He's not that overpowered.
Having said, Cain bodies him because Cain's sword is also a gun and Angra has no range to anything.
But he can come back.
Yes he can.
So Cain does it again.
So because Angra, if he gets killed and you can use your blood surge rolls, you get two, three sixes? You can basically set it back up in the reserve.
Which is far less broken than his old version, which was just six points, and you got two when he died.
Dylan Gosling, thank you for the two bribe for Angra on S, actual good trader reasons.
That's enough for us, but he's going to be a stronger bribe.
He probably deserves A.
I would, yeah, I'd say A. I kind of wish his, it's a, I look at his fall and it's a catch 22, because on the one hand, like it is tragic.
He was supposed to be something like the empath Primarch, and it was just robbed of him.
But it does kind of, you know, rob him of agency, and it doesn't really make Horace look good for convincing him either, because it's like it did not, anyone could have convinced Angra on the go.
I don't vibe with the gladiator stuff that much.
Really?
No.
I don't know, I don't know what I just, I just don't think of it like that, I just don't vibe with it as much.
Like the whole Aegis of Cities thing just doesn't grab me.
Yeah.
Prison glory.
Hales of Biting.
Alright, while they're biting, what about Khan? Maybe put him in.
He's probably S or A, one of the two.
It depends, Khan in 40k?
True, Khan in 30k is really cool. Khan in 40k is just a guy who kills people.
I mean, I'd like to introduce a concept to all of you, it's called a character arc.
When they get to the end of it, they're done developing.
Yeah.
In some room, I mean like characters like Ahriman, who is technically corrupted by Zinch, is still undergoing a character arc, so there's not a case of what chaos corruption can do, it's what the writer can do with it, and they're lacking on that.
Well that's Ahriman's character still has time to continue failing.
I haven't read the most recent World Leaders book, so maybe he's had more in the spotlight, but the last book I read with him in it was the Awful Legion one and he's literally just like, I kill people and I'm good at it.
He's kicking my ass today.
This is my teach long.
That's a better way of putting it than I did.
I think about his song, whoo, two dollars, and Dylan Gosside who your rose and gone comforted his loyalist son he killed on a short change our channel names like pancreas no work mighty strong.
Diabetic strong 2000 diabetic strong.
I think it's exactly the same.
Yeah, he is the poster man for all of Warhammer nowadays so he deserves it I guess he took it from his kids when he came.
Thank you for the $20.
There was only one.
Oh Calgary.
Yeah, you know baby you know it get put him in that throne, put him in that throne.
Double fist in the throne.
I'm interesting.
Didn't ask.
Rather have catered to the chorus as your chapter master.
It's crazy how all these names you're saying are the earliest Calgary.
How many other space marines have ripped the head off a Lord of skulls. Is that a character moment to know, but it's cool.
Where, where, where's Vulcan he stands Marvel comic I don't see it.
Where's the elder stuff.
Especially in the background of Vulcan behind how that just rubs the salt.
I see the other man himself.
The eldest and the ultra marines are like the polar opposite exactly the youngest looking member of your elder slander, because in age of Sigmar and fantasy the writers love the.
That's where they will wait.
Uriel ventress, Uriel ventress know that's a Darth Vader throw pillow.
I have not read the ventress books yet.
I'm pretty good.
But they are like, the strange to me.
I think you read them all in one go so you might be. Yeah, I read them in like a month span, but it did give me like an like an insight to be like, oh, he's kind of like, what would you like, he's just weird.
He's really weird as a character, he goes through all these different changes, and I'm like, I like him. But now they've exhausted his character with so much stuff they can't like all right we're not doing anything anymore.
So make a remodel of him in frame Mario.
You're the youngest but you taught like my grand.
Your grandpa 40 and times I'm real.
That's also not hating the elves that's hating the setting.
Yeah, I mean you're.
He's an ultra marine I don't like that he's green.
Should be blue.
Tiki, I mean Titus.
Everyone loves Titus everyone loves.
The funny thing is, it's not even that good like it's a solid.
Yeah, but since this warhammer.
Yeah, exactly. I hope no one's grandpa says anything.
If you hit your grandparents they say much foul the thing they got opinions about.
Different backgrounds.
By the way, can anyone hear fireworks.
Taylor Swift is performing next door and it's annoying. Sorry about that.
That's a weird coincidence Taylor Swift and warhammer shadows.
Seven, thank you for the $2 I'm sorry I don't see my Hanzo.
Funny, funny thing.
Funny, the guy with the metal jerk arm.
Okay, yes.
First thing I think of.
He kind of reminds me of like a metal gear solid villain.
Like some metal gear rising revengeance or something. That's how I would describe him he's just like mustache twirling but kind of funny.
I think I'm going to read after I finished the next event. Maybe, maybe next event.
Probably kind of fun, kind of fun.
He's like the only Iron Warriors character in the 41st millennium.
Mortarion D tier.
I find it. Yeah, it's difficult because the guy who, the guy who has like semi done well with his character is the author Chris Ray, who kind of has some slapping books, the mortar is only role is to be someone else's obstacle.
Keldor Drago baby.
Yeah, baby.
Getting wrecked by Caldor Drago is kind of an L.
I like the fact that he is a, like I just the dislike of his character of being a hypocrite I think is unfounded.
One was the last time he took a W in the last 10,000 years. Never.
He gets respected by his, his second in command his legion, and everything is like he never gets respect. He gets killed by, he gets killed by the con and Drago and Delman.
He did chase down his big, big Caleb Collins $2 Malky this is true Phoenix King. That's right baby.
This one is that this one's Huron foul the guy who dies in this time free.
Yeah, we'll go together and then they blow up.
He's made a fake Snapchat filter.
That is that that death scene by the way, is immediately like, can you take me.
Cogma Gaming has been a member for 19 months didn't realize we were old brother.
Thank you.
I love being a world criminal. Bless your soul.
So do we.
Enjoy the slot.
Slop is what we're here for.
Creed mentioned best look when I think I think they call him might have been the one we talked about it, it may have been a year ago he's mentioning like Creed concert thing and it's the one where maybe it's like a Super Bowl I don't know but that's like this is your guy flying with an American
it's so American but it's like kind of cool though.
He's not cringe. It's like, yeah, kind of cool.
Oh, right. Yeah, right.
That's everybody loves your right.
Yeah, this is this is one like, again this is like very like you just, this is only horrors heresy people though.
I don't I'm not even sure.
I'm not a guy and I think it was cool. Like I've read enough. You've read a few horse heresy books I mean like, like 20 but that's like barely anything I'm just saying, you still
got four books for just him. Yeah, that's how much people like Garrow. He got four books, as well as the books he's also in like flight of the Eisenstein and the Berry dagger like he's everywhere. Yeah, he's everywhere.
Yeah, cool. Yeah crimson glory member for two months. Thank you everything Americans, how your goddamn rat.
Depends where you are. I don't even Americans saying everything in America is cool because it like Texas and California they hate each other.
I mean, if I was texting I would hate a Californian and if I was California and I hate a Texan simple as people in Iowa are just like what's going on.
No one lives in Iowa.
Someone lives in Texas.
Come to Iowa, we have corn.
It's probably cheap to live in.
I live in the empty vacuum of space to empty vacuum of space.
Parker son in with a four boxes. My problem with ultramen recently is that they're a bunch of pretty boys these days rather than looking rough and ugly.
I mean, the whole of them is a little bit cleaner, because that's the whole of the whole aesthetic is just like kind of more generic and. Yeah, or in now just gotta go up in, don't mistake it.
I mean, every faction gets that look like newer look at the chaos or work that comes out recently is pretty nice. The chaos space marine codex is what yeah, which is a good deal.
Premier space marines and their art style have been a disaster to all space kind of space marines are like actually ruined to me now because of primary start style but what can you do.
We're in a different era of it I remember people often like that grim dark but then there are also a bunch of people were like, oh, where's my, was my goblin green bases like really cartoony star like having a mix of goofy and grim dark is great but now there's like neither of them.
For a lot of the.
Yeah, they're just sci fi like space marines are like five faction and the super premieres are just so lame. But then it's also like the changing of the times like in the 80s and stuff you had, you had Star Wars you had the Akira movie was like oh grim now is like Iron Man,
like, oh, it's a suit of armor. Just like, I'm like just look like even just. I'll bring this up at least once a year for the rest of my life. Every space marine combat patrol other chapters does not have a single unique unit for the actual space marines in it.
I guess the dark angels do now but I look at the space walls and blood angels ones and just like, it's just like depressions like there's not a single space wolf unit in there or a single blood angels unit in there she's primary slop money.
Yeah, money good.
Yeah, it's not magnificent of the problem of detail we're happy with that then. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Armin put him there as well. His Andy's voice occasionally speed up for anyone else. Little bit because it's the
army.
My wife, she doesn't get. She's dry.
I'm not gonna be so funny. Our man is the higher than D tier people like our man.
She undid them dust and then put them into the world.
He's literally the only interesting chaos ignore the Geneva Convention ignore.
The Geneva Convention either little Magnus.
Yeah.
Benjamina is mixed with Tom, you'd order a refund for us to set if we sounded like john Pederson and Benjamina. Tell me that's not the funniest thing ever.
Yeah.
What is this.
Yeah, sure.
Betrayal.
Abaddon.
Yeah, he's quite cool in those books, but he's kind of outshined by the other characters for me.
I prefer the main characters.
I mean, if the setting could progress more than he'd be cooler, but you know, we've talked for is the next one, Mr. Mr. I was there the day Horace through the Emperor's horse shed himself.
Logan gotta be s I was there the day Horace to rummage.
How do you do it.
I should rummage myself.
Heard about the one about the bear.
Vulcan.
Cool on paper.
If you think we love is in a steer then Vulcan's probably also when they're just because the entire community loves him. That's a valid point. If that's the only reason we put some winning stuff there than Vulcan's gotta be that no one's read a Vulcan novel.
D tier.
Maybe seats you maybe seats here because there's no reason to hate him. He's just don't say I want whatever how they're smoking to come up.
Entertainment for all you brothers.
Right.
I think he's not going to share it.
He's killed Lucius so that makes people automatically.
Yeah, I'll fairies and he had like a handoff with various half hated half love.
For sure he's a he's a mean he again.
So that cycling water and also too much.
A stereo on Moloch.
Big scary.
Oh, he gets to defeat all the custodians that he's so cool guys that he's a really special. I mean he to be fair he is actually pretty cool like he's got the rule of cool and he's just like, fuck Marine, just like he just comes in.
I haven't heard any dialogue.
Oh, he just like he doesn't even know he's just menacing. He does speak in the watches of the phone and like Valerian is like, I don't want to mess with this guy and I'm a custodian, he scares me a bit.
And then like this lady's in charge of like the tax man is like, yeah, don't worry don't kill those people. Like, why are you listening to the small lady.
I mean, administration, Pedro Cantor, vote for Pedro, people love Pedro, he's got to be up here. He has to.
What everyone like, how many times have we seen videos of people talking about the bit we carries the lady and the kids. He does have a very, one of the more beautiful moments of them.
Sorry one the law but I don't like one and make a model of it or anything.
Like I don't feel like strongly enough for like, oh, I'm like, you know, you enjoy the law about you like make an army or a model and it doesn't draw me beyond that one novel.
We got one comment for you by the way, Colin. Oh boy.
I'm gonna take a look see it this bad boy, I always click all over the place. Thank you Harry Valentine, Colin I speak for the discord server free us.
In joke.
Tiber Ross the red wake, everyone loves Tiber Ross. Yeah he is loved.
Just big man. Thank you for the big man big calls dude is late year dreadnought terminator. Oh my, please my voice. God.
Sorry about that. Keep calling out the key toolkit for me about slander. All right.
I'm picking it up. So it was so so it was you, Eddie this is your name and I'm not going to read that.
So it was you, Andy, who stole my great horned a booth pack.
I don't know what that means. I still don't want to know what a booth is.
Lots of booth.
What is going on.
He likes charging in.
Oh and he's got his YouTube robe as well just showing off.
Gabriel Seth, the flesh terror man.
People like him because he's like angry all the time.
And he's pretty cool. He doesn't care the disrespect is over the top.
Surely, surely Gabriel's got to be a is he a buff. He's cool.
He's got such a cool model to people.
It would just like how he's he's just like, he's just sassy and he gives no dams, and he like killed an Inquisitor, and then he beat up an Inquisitor and he's like, you can look into my mind.
Yeah, you don't know anything. And then he like took away their rosette. He's always big with Dante. He's always like bitch slapping people like Seth is like just sassy. That's why people love him.
It's a sassy flesh terror.
Hellbrecht.
If you're like this.
I mean like black Templars fans would kill you for not putting him in an S tier.
But I think that's the reason why a lot of people hate black Templars fans.
Oh, well, we would be higher beats you.
Well, you got destroyed by Emotec.
Just throwing that out there.
Necron.
He's S tier. I'd say.
Very cool weapon.
S tier baby, S tier baby put him up there.
Don't do more Tarian go love it.
He blew up his heart, does it again in Chaos Gate.
Writes his like, he makes name on his heart, just like vandalism.
Excellent pensmanship skills. I think most people like here on I love here on. He suffered through war master.
Probably he's just community wide. I mean, he's very cool. He's definitely the upper tier of like, you know, chaos.
He's not more like than Conrad curse.
He is still just you know, even new book or was his book last book.
Three years ago, a few years ago. Yeah, I read that one and I read all the worlds. So he doesn't have anyone.
Oh, no, no, he is. Is he not in one where he invades to yours?
Isn't that new? He does invade to course, but it's like in his book. I think it is. It's you're on master maelstrom.
Oh, isn't doesn't he just doesn't that book end with him invading to yours? Yeah. Okay.
So the actual because this art of him against White Scott, maybe it's maybe it's not official art. I feel like it's codec see stuff more than anything.
Probably. I'm not sure. Who is this? I can land.
Is he does he have books?
D tier. I can land the land speeder. It speeds across land. No, Ark and land. Put him put him in a star.
He's coming up in D tier. Yeah, I don't see why he gets bored.
D tier. Whose favorite characters are you? Yeah, who's sitting there like, Oh, I want more Ark and land books.
I don't know. Increase the land mass. That's all I'm saying.
Belisarius call. Beetle daddy. Love him.
Yeah, yeah. Cool stuff. Yeah. Even though Eli hates Primaris hate towards call is towards his abominations.
He's created Syphus Kane.
Abraham. Abraham. Sorry. He's gonna be up there. I haven't read God's Ghosts, but I know people freaking love him.
He's a pretty I've started him. Yeah, he's got tons of books. Speaking of tons books, Kifus Kane. Get him up there.
He's on the list. Top of the list. No one's ever unhappy reading Kifus Kane.
I clicked. I clicked on him and it freaked out. It was like, don't touch him.
It's because he doesn't want the attention.
He's just just the best. Janet Solo, my beloved. She might look like a horse, but by God,
does she write the worst books?
Love the hatred that both Kane and Amberley give her.
That bit in the book, the novel, is like she's writing it from her perspective.
She says, and then the commissar saw me and he went, oh, you, Janet Sulla.
And I nearly went with tears. And she's like, really, I was like, oh, you, Sulla.
It comes back to Kane's perspective. This dumb bitch.
It's like a horse.
Although Caleb Collins donated one 99 saying, Parkinland has a robot monkey with a scorpion tail.
That's true. Pretty cool. The monkey's not on the list.
But he had the monkey on his DBS tier.
Eisenhorn? I mean, he's still the like pretty, that's mostly what's entry into Warhammer.
Yeah, he's pretty awesome. Yeah, we go at top of A.
I think he's really just impacts as well.
I think it's Estes, surely.
He's more of a Pedro Cantor.
I'd put Gaunt ahead of him.
I'd put Gaunt ahead of him as well. But OK, let's do it like that.
You guys read Eisenhorn?
Look, I read the first two and that was years ago, so I have to start over and just read them again.
Great fact. I did not read the Last We Say books.
She was on Gaea.
I think the crossbow gun is so dumb.
I love the crossbow gun.
Because it's so dumb.
You can't.
I know. I know. I know.
The only thing is, it says it was a rubric green by stabbing it with silver stakes.
She does look strange in that she looks like a Warhammer 40k character cosplaying as a Warhammer fantasy character.
That's kind of her charm.
She found the black library, not the Eldar one, the GW.
She's like, oh, this is a cool aesthetic. And they're like, all right, I'm not going to tell you off.
We're more cathedrals than gold, but OK.
I'm swinging a cathedral of gold.
She's not satyr. What? That's crazy.
I like her personality.
I liked her fight with Abaddon when they shut down the pylons and everyone else was like, yeah, we're winning.
And she was like, oh, fuck, my powers are gone.
Dude, actually, to be fair, how often does she actually win?
She responds, I'm assuming, not often.
Yeah. See, but nobody says anything bad about her, but the moment is literally eternal. Oh, it's stupid.
I'm currently working through the outflow.
I'm on Scandri's.
The Legion book about the royalist guys who are fighting her.
And I'm like, I'm curious to see how that's going to turn out.
Yeah, law crimes, STA.
Thank you. Thank you.
Almost there. Now we've got the Xenos. Fulgrim's there by mistake, so ignore him.
The Silent King.
He exists. He has no nothing.
He has like one small bit of dialogue and that's it.
Yeah.
Tracer. Everyone loves Tracer.
STA, shove it straight up there where the next show I would watch you lie.
Everybody loves Tracer.
Haviga Sikom.
Yes. Funny man.
Truly the most hilarious.
Orchid, probably A-tier.
He's definitely not as liked as Tracer, but I mean, he's cool.
He's in Infinite and then Divine, so automatically half the community loves him.
Yeah.
He's not quite some of the monolith energy.
Yeah, he's not Dennett. I think he's kind of a jerk actually, but...
Yeah, he's a huge dickhead, but he's a Necron Lord.
Well, not Lord, but...
He's up there, but of course he's a dickhead.
Zandrig is freaking A-tier, dude. Best Necron character by far.
100%. Better than Trazin by a mile.
Yeah?
Oh yeah. If you've read his book and stuff, he's not as liked, no, but in my opinion he's the best.
He's got a lot of grommalders, sure.
He might be better, but like...
You know, Eli, I did want to say I understand why you think Trazin's been overhyped, but...
Specifically a history major. Look, man.
I have a very clear favorite winner.
Give me that one. I have a reason for being biased.
Yeah. We don't even have Farguard Oberon or Illuminor Cyrus or Emu-Tek the Storm Lord.
Yeah, we're coming up to two hours, man. I'm sorry.
It's fine. It's fine.
We've been here forever.
Emu-Tek's more of a force of will than a casket.
Only Orph.
Who doesn't like Gazzmoor?
I don't know if he's S-tier, but I would put him S-tier.
I feel like he's S-tier.
I mean, I would put him. I just...
I would try to read books that are in there, and he's barely in them.
But he's Gazzgoor, so he's just cool.
I more like Orcs rather.
I think Orc is being an Orc, or is like...
War, Mr. Bond.
I'm more of a warzag guy, but Gazzgoor's pretty cool.
Fine, A-tier's fine, I guess.
If Gazzgoor starts dancing, though, it's an S-tier.
Eldred? Look at my name. Eldred's not a guy. Come on. Get him up there.
He's so cool, man. He makes so many dumb mistakes because the authors can't write about Eldred.
That's because they see the future, right?
So every author's like, it's so clever, they saw the future, but they didn't know...
I know, I know.
Well guys, we did it 50 times, it's still fresh, right?
I think he's stuck. I think he's barred at B-tier just because he's in Eldred, unfortunately.
Put him up a little bit.
You guys should put Trazan, because he's literally the British Museum.
True.
I don't know, maybe he's not ours.
Eldred, in spite of being an Eldar in 40k, pretty consistently gets some dubs.
He beat Abaddon in 1v1 combat, he turned the entire warp off for a bit during the War of the Beasts,
he was like, no warp, no warpstone, go on, Imperial Fists.
I'm just saying, why the hell did he go...
I'm gonna...
I fucked up the word.
Why did he go, okay, I can see Horus is gonna betray the Imperium, to save them from themselves,
I'm gonna go to the one guy of his son, who can turn this around, and we'll listen to reason,
I'm gonna go to Ferus Manus, like, what?
Because how else would we get our plastic toys?
The same reason there's 500 different assassination attempts on Horus, even though we know for a fact they're not gonna work.
We need more book.
Yvraine, okay, realistically, Yvraine is D tier, but for the wrong reasons in the community, she's probably S tier.
But in Gilam's eyes...
I would give her C, I appreciate what she's trying to do, I think if the character was not despised by the company,
she'd be better off.
Inevitable victory, baby.
Inevitable victory is still a long way off.
If those books didn't exist, then they were, yeah.
Can we give her S tier for an inevitable victory?
No.
Far Sight, boy.
I love them, a lot of people actually don't like Far Sight though, so I'd put them in A tier.
A lot of people think the Far Sight books are bad, apparently, which I didn't know.
You wouldn't know the taste.
I don't know, I like Far Sight.
People who buy Cause Light, and they go like, that's the best never drunk.
It's a bit short sighted if you ask me.
There you go.
People who don't like Far Sight wipe from front to back.
Who is this?
Shadow Sun.
Oh, she's probably B tier, I guess.
Yeah, I mean, where's Eldra? Is she B tier? She's probably B tier.
I think she's pretty cool, but because she's a Tao, and she's not Far Sight,
she's kind of like 90% of the people hate her.
Or Kai's.
Yeah.
Speciesism is a hell of a drug.
I'm looking at the tier list, I'm noticing the sci-fi settings.
I'm just saying, is there anyone else you want me to add last minute?
Oberon.
Maybe there was Zandric, he's good enough.
There's an Arba with both of them in it.
Uriel in my hearts is an A tier.
Yeah, I love Uriel.
He's a cool guy.
Not Ventress.
Prince Uriel of the Eldar.
You put him back.
It's Uriel, but with a Y.
Oh, of course. How could I have made such a catastrophic mistake?
He hurt the hive mind.
Not a tier, the hive mind.
That is the tier list, brothers.
That's a big one.
Oh my god, we have a...
I think I've literally, because my voice has been in like, vanilla, I've literally lost my voice over this.
Damn, belovedness.
I'm happy with Cain being the number one. Like, Cain is just so fun.
Yeah.
I'm on book four.
Everyone loves Cain.
I know it's Cain, I was very confused for a minute.
There's so many people who love Cain. I was like, there's no way he's up.
Did I miss something?
I just love how people complain like, oh, the Cain books.
People are like, yeah, it's a bit samey.
But it's like, yeah, I've come for pasta.
Yeah, you get what you ordered.
I want my bolognese sauce on my pasta every time.
Yeah, that's a good comparison.
Go to?
Let's say you worded that really well, it's comfort food.
And it's never bad.
It's like a thing, just don't have too much in one week.
But then three weeks from now when you have bolognese again, my man.
You can read the Cain book, put it off for a week, month, however long come back.
You know, he's doing some more wacky bullshit.
It's the, it's the ginger bit in the sushi.
You know, I mean, I, it's the refreshing dip between the pallet for the pallet.
Sorry.
Damn good.
No, damn T.O.K.
Yeah, too fair.
We did actually miss those.
That's good.
And still the 47.
Thank you for the $2 swarm Lord dogged on the ultra Marines.
Yes, he did, but unfortunately they couldn't have ultra mar McCraig fall so he lost.
Taurus is wise and member of the Death Guard on the most.
True, true.
The Death Guard do stink of.
Very good.
No love.
So.
We appreciate that.
Like angry hummockers my autistic asshole eat bolognese every day if I.
I hate the same thing every day when I.
Why are we calling it bolognese.
Bolognese.
Isn't bolognese like a sausage ham.
Yeah.
Bolognese.
Yeah.
I don't know what bolognese is actually.
You're saying bolognese.
It's bolognese.
That's what bolognese is.
I don't know the dish.
I think it is bolognese.
It's bolognese.
At least when I watch Kitchen Nightmares, that's how Gordon Ramsey says it.
It's not actually Ohio it's Ohio.
I don't know.
Caleb Collins thanks for the 199 bloody handed Cain avatar is A tier.
If he took a single W ever maybe.
You can't even push that.
Yeah.
When was the last time the avatar of Cain won something?
I think 20 years ago when they first introduced him.
about it, Collins moving in brackets and working on the X
live it he gets a pass.
I'm moving.
Like is that just me?
Was it for anything? Thank you. Obviously, there's some characters
we did miss out. But this is so many in Warhammer. And we Yeah,
we're sweating over here.
We made a good effort.
But yeah, it's a good effort. We'll do we'll do one for fantasy
as well. It'll be a little bit shorter, but it will be much
more passionate. Because we got opinions about because Skaven
are in the mix. And so we're gonna be immediately so happy.
Don't apologize for the slander. It's funny.
It was right with the world.
True.
He does.
It actually like puts our children through like college
university, that Colin gets insulted. So we truly
with that being said, though, I think that's everything for this
tier list. Thank you everyone who watched listen, mostly,
please do like it if you did enjoy the the slop that came to
his own, please own Shrumsy over the subscribe button. We
appreciate that. I don't know why I put that into the world.
We are obviously on Spotify and other Amazon music thing as
well. Other things if you want to listen to us offline, go for
it. And we'll catch you guys on the next episode. Next we have
something cool for next week on the podcast and we've got some
more quizzes coming. So we got stuff for you guys to listen to.
Right.
All right, you guys and we'll catch you on the next one.