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Well today let's let the hate flow because we're gonna, you know, we're pretty positive
people but we're about to like really get into the most hated characters in Warhammer
in general. Some of these people should not be on this list, I won't lie Andy.
Well here's the thing, this is a bespoke list. I made this before the stream, this is kind
of why we're a little bit late, it was my fault. But it's like, we've put up a bunch
of characters that you would think, oh they're obviously evil. And we put some on that personally
we think are evil. And again guys, if you have anyone you think we've missed on this
list, let me know. I'll add some as we go if I have to. But I think we've got a fairly
good spread of evil and good but shitty people characters. So that's how we're going.
I was just incredibly confused because I thought Shadow Son was Marcus Walfart who was just
a fantasy who hunts monsters. I was like, what did he do?
I don't know. Didn't pay his taxes.
If you feel the urge to put more fantasy characters in Colin, just let us know. Because there's
a few representing here.
Well as long as the big man himself is here, who I do see him at the very right of the
top row, I'm pretty happy with that.
I was about to say definitely not Mr. Who's our strongest supporter in our chat for Mr.
Luther Harkon.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's him.
No, he's great.
Luther Harkon is not hated at all. This is the most beloved character. He will be on...
To be fair, we should probably do a list where the most beloved characters in Warhammer.
The explorer would I think kill us if we didn't put him in S tier.
The chat list if you will.
One minute in, one minute in baby. Technical difficulty speed run.
Hello, Louis McShooey. Thank you for the two most hated besides Colin. What? My bed's
done nothing.
Can we get a reading of the Shane Bra message above that please?
Oh, of course. Level five, Giat, Riz, Livy, Dune, Rizzing up baby. Man, this just keeps
going. Gronk, Ice Spice, what the dog doing? Jesus Christ, Skivity, Toilet, and Real Life.
I'm done. No, I'm done.
Very wonky slushed vibe.
Oh man, Donkeyman USA. Thank you for the five dollars. Colin, when you dropped the Teclis
Bomb when it started as Anonymous, I about crashed on the highway.
What's the Teclis Bomb?
Was it the pregnant that you get Teclis Bombed?
Yeah, it was that.
Jesus. Very good.
And it's not the first time he said it.
No, it's not.
No, that's why I enjoyed being on there, because I got to see the difference of people who
are used to my fucking nonsense.
People who aren't.
Those poor guys on the start of Anonymous have heard the most ridiculous, ridiculous things
from all kinds of creators.
We've all been on now, which is nice.
Oh no, sorry Andy, the microphone is hating.
Shit.
You're still perfectly audible. It's just you sound like a pretty augmented tech priest.
Well, to kick off the heresy then, I made an executive decision.
Yes, Bella Sorry is cool.
This should be where we start, surely.
Andy, can you please say you are an abomination?
You are an abomination.
Nice.
So I think him, he's got to go here, surely.
After the release, is it possible to zoom out a bit? I don't know if I can see the...
I can't even see it, it's frozen.
Yeah, there we go.
Erebus, is this even an argument?
I think Erebus is very much his own.
There might be one other character who can make the Erebus list.
They can be buddies together.
There's one other character, but the next one, the next character though,
we should explain a little bit why.
Erebus basically corrupted everyone. He thinks he's the Messiah.
Turns out he's the, you know, he is side character energy to the max.
He basically killed Agel Tal. He killed some favorite characters.
He killed some other ones. I don't know if it's a spoiler already,
but he killed Carvel Loken.
He's a very naughty boy.
He's a hateful creature. He just sucks. Just sucks.
Is S tier like extremely hated or is D tier like extremely hated?
Most hated is top.
Okay.
These are all people who are hated.
The least hateable of the hated fellows.
It could be a bit of like in universe and a bit of our own personal bias.
This is not an official, like, you know, in the universe.
Cause some of these people are like, oh, Joseph Pollard says,
Colin, thank you for informing me how much,
thank you for informing me how much of a no diff fantasy slash signal has with 40k.
Yes.
Fantasy is way better.
I don't want to let Colin even mention the next one.
Just keep this, keep, keep his goddamn name out.
Mr. Perturabbo.
I'd say he's a bit, I feel like he's 50, half the people hate him, half the people love him.
Look, I can, I can accept him like being an A or B.
B for sure. Yeah.
He is C tier. He's actually like, legitimately,
his books are like some of the best in the entire damn series.
Yeah, but community wise, I'd say he's half and half, right?
People get away. Okay. I don't understand it. People.
Why don't you like him? I like him.
I like him. He's a man child.
Yeah. He's a fucking child.
People only say that because Major Kills said it for three years straight.
And now it's been perpetually. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. His thing.
I've literally, before we started the stream,
is my voice better by the way? No.
No. No.
But we can still, you're still legible. It's just static.
Okay. Praise the God Messiah.
Well, all I'll say, I just finished my Battle of Farl video.
He got dunked on by an Imperial Fist captain.
And then he had a little bit of a like, oh, and he had a whinge about it.
Rubbish. I mean, all Primarchs have, I mean, Conrad Kerr has got stabbed through the back by a character.
Every Primarch has their flaws. People just don't care about the other ones flaws.
They only...
Roguel Dorn got killed by...
Jagged Eye has no flaws.
Fini, alright, well, we're going to move fast that one as quick as we can.
Listen, Pertorobo is legitimately, it's unfounded.
The whole point is like the Emperor, the Emperor threw him at the worst like battles imaginable and then didn't even,
like all the, all the victory, all the laurels, everything was thrown on other brothers for things like he,
like the people who didn't deserve it. That's his whole thing.
Well, I feel the two things, one, Fini, lock, lock, and chat, put a very good point.
He strangled his sister to death. I think that's a pretty valid reason not to like...
Have you read that, have you read that book though? It's actually like a, it's a really sad book.
It's very...
The whole point is he, he does it at the end of it.
Yeah, if you haven't read the books, I don't want to hear a single goddamn opinion.
Yeah.
Mr. Major Kill. Oh my gosh.
Bro, this is like someone, this is like someone saying, oh man, I haven't read Lord of the Rings, but I,
I just don't think Gandalf's a well-written character.
You're like, oh, Bormir sure was a terrible person. But I haven't read Lord of the Rings. I've only seen the movie.
All right, now hang on now. That's different. Perturabo was not tempted by the One Ring.
He's just a bitter asshole.
Yeah, but you would be too.
That's the least of the crimes compared to got corrupted by a broken whispering sword.
Lizzie McShootie says, Andy out here dishing for the Dark Mechanicus. That is true. Mr. Tech, he runs all of our tech.
I think I almost understood my flesh. It disgusted me.
Oh, now it went away.
His whole personality is just sandpaper. It's not, bro, you're not, bro. This is-
Bro, I haven't read the books.
Here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing. Perturabo is just like that guy who went to school and he tried really hard and he got good grades,
but he didn't have a personality beyond, oh, life's so hard. It's like, yeah, deal with it. You're a doctor. Deal with it.
You're a Primarch. Deal with it. It's like, all right, Purdy, I understand your Legion had a tough time. Doesn't mean you can be a shithead. Come on.
I'm also saying put him in B because I know I'm not alone in disliking him.
Please put it in B. Please put it in B.
Here's the thing, the only reason he goes down to B is because he's capable.
Which is the character.
Yeah, he straight up beat, he beat Angron when he was a demon.
I freaking punched out Fulgrim.
Mortarion is next though.
That's not a likable character trait. Everyone in 40K just calls shit at some point or other.
He's done cool shit. I'm not denying that.
Yeah, Gillum and lost to Fulgrim, but he's 10 times better than Perturabo.
Also, Gillum was punching people out of space if we're going to, if we're going to.
For 10 hours for something stupid. I'm sure it was like eight hours he was in the void. He's just like, I didn't hear no bell.
I need to do a thing where Colin loses a bet and he has to read the Perturamo, Perturamo Primark book.
There's already a Primark book I'm going to be reading soon. I'm making my way through Thantqual.
You're not getting me to read Perturamos.
Thantqual, or The Lion.
Yeah.
It's a good book.
Alright, Morty.
Morty!
Mortarion.
I'm going to kill you.
I don't want to hate you.
D for Deathguard.
I won't put up dates here. People hate this guy.
I'm not going to lie. Mortarion, having like, it's one of those annoying things.
Before I read his stuff, I would have put him in A-tier.
Having read the entire thing, like I, it's difficult because I get like, I like the fact that he's so flawed in terms of he actually like his hypocrisy.
I'm going to say it again for the people in the back. Having a character that is a hypocrite is not poor writing.
What's happening?
In Warhammer, the fact that no one recognizes they're a hypocrite is the most fury-ating thing.
People don't want flawed characters, Hal. They want their perfect, pretty, freaking Primarks.
That's the whole point.
Yeah, because everyone in this is uncultured and doesn't understand their writings.
How can people go to war and like, they don't acknowledge their hypocrisy?
The Warhammer community doesn't like good writing.
He's a poorly written character. I said he's a cunt.
True. To be fair.
I still don't like Mortarion.
I'm not saying he's a bad character, but I don't like him.
All I'm saying is Morty had like several chances to have like redeeming qualities and every time, apart from his Primark book where he takes the piss out of the bitter blood, where his son gets his arm bitten off.
And that's before he's in Astartes. He's like, oh, they bit his arm off and spat it out because it tasted so bad.
He's like, oh, bitter blood. He's like, oh, we should call you that. And there's like, oh, you have a little bit of redeeming qualities.
And then afterwards, when he has like a legion, there's just nothing to like about him. He's just the dick.
He's a man who he likes to destroy people who are enslavers, but yet he's no better solution in the end.
So but and in universe, he's pretty much no one like he has no friends. Donation by Kinotech USA says, Purty mocks any Primark he faces, y'all on some.
That's what I'm saying.
Jagatai. Oh my gosh. He could kick his ass.
They never fought. They never fought. What are you talking about?
No, but if they did, if they did, Jagatai would be like, you're too slow.
And he beat him up.
Mortarion did fight Jagatai.
No Purrderabum.
Yeah, if you like a turtle versus like a tiger.
Who needs to move fast when the Khan can't do anything to you.
He moves so fast.
But also Mortarion, he's a demon Primark now, which automatically makes him A-tier in my opinion, because he's just a moment you become a demon Primark is the moment you lose all aspects of any character.
So Purrderabum, to be fair, if you say Purrderabum, he's a demon Primark. Purrderabum is immediately more hated.
He's a demon Primark off screen though, and that was a stupid change.
It's almost like the theme of 40k was decay and people not doing what they need to anymore until the great rift and Primaris Marines and narrative consistency go to hell.
Sonic says, I like Peter. He is a cringe atheist.
Thank you, Joseph.
Oh, that's Fabius style.
Speaking of a cringe atheist.
Speaking of a cringe, it's Emperor time.
Andy, can I make a suggestion?
Can we just right between A and B, just make a tier that says Emperor, because you either love him or fucking hate him.
Between A and B.
Just like right in the middle.
It just says Emperor.
That's a thing in universe. You either love the god Emperor or hate him. Out of universe, you either like him or hate him.
What the?
God, Jesus.
It's doing weird stuff. I don't like it.
I'm doing my best. Oh no, I ruined it. It's fine.
Today we'll just leave the Emperor there. It's fine.
It probably is between A and S. He's like the most abominable worst hypocrite ever. Or he's very much like, he's a bastard, but he had to be.
What's the next one?
Conrady Kurz.
Conrad Kurz.
Again, he's like a decently well written character, but my God, is he the worst.
And his fans are something else.
I don't hate Conrad. Nightlord's fans are the problem. Conrad Kurz is not the problem.
We have a donation by Maximus Desius Manus. Is that what you think that was? First ever donation. Ever considered each Primarch is just a separate aspect of the Emperor's absurd levels of autism, except Horus and Lorgar.
Which, why they're villains.
Does that mean that the Emperor gets a worse rating because he's technically irresponsible?
You can't, I mean, you know, with no Emperor there would be no Horus Heresy.
It's difficult. This is one of the things that I get annoyed about in 40k, where it's a, if the Emperor didn't exist, would chaos have even eventually like destroyed humanity in the future kind of thing?
Like would that be like our end death? Or does chaos exist because of him? Or did he start becoming the Emperor because he knew he had to fight chaos? It's a weird like, which is weird.
I think it was a case of he was like, I need to stop this. I'm the only one who can stop it. I'll just like become a kind of robotic demagogue because that's all I can do.
Could Colin read the name of the next donation person? Because that's quite the...
Okay. The band of mighty shlong. Thank you for...
Thank you so much protein.
If you don't record a detier of starting a blood cult in Colin's kitchen.
I think, Jesus Christ, I think, where do you guys think Colin O'Kers belongs?
Say C-T.
The thing is, I've got to... Is he well written? Really?
As in it is entertaining.
He's one dimensional as F.
Well, I...
There is nuance to it.
Imagine...
In his Primark book as well, like it kind of breaks him down.
Imagine like a rabid puppy bites you. I feel that's Conrad. You don't like that puppy, but it's mostly just pathetic.
But even with a rabid puppy, you'd have moments where you could pet it and it would like have glimmers of being like, oh, this is nice.
And then it bites you when it has like a relapse. But Conrad doesn't have that. He's just always a bit of a shitter.
Like there's never a moment. There's never a glimmer of nice qualities. So he's always... To me, he's always been like, oh, he's just a bad guy.
And he has an excuse for being a bad guy, but he hasn't got any redeeming qualities. So it's like, I don't empathize with you because you're so cartoonishly evil.
Maybe it's just me. I don't know.
I think it's interesting because it does tackle the like his twisted ideology, which I think a lot of the other Primarks doesn't really go into that level.
It's more like their experiences, whereas you actually sort of experience the mind and the sort of mental acumen of this twisted creature.
So again, I don't think, particularly in community, he's hated not because he's like, oh, such a shit character.
It's more like he's hated because he is the villain.
Because the thing is, like, we put Purty in B. Like, I can understand Purty's position and I know that he was constantly trying to prove himself.
But like, Conrad had like Primark level interventions where they tried to fix him and Horus sent Fulgrim to mentor him to try to fix him.
And everyone tried to fix him and every time he just didn't take the initiative.
And I'm like, there's never been a, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's never been anything in the law that shows he has any redeeming qualities.
He just instantly falls and goes, no, I'm evil and I'm broken.
It's like, you didn't try. You could have been better.
At least, as much of a baby he is, at least he tried.
Whereas like Conrad, I'm like, he didn't try. He just went, oh, I'm just evil and bad and I'm going hot.
If he was totally unredeeming, then why would he like at the very end, weep over everything he had done?
Because he called, he basically believed, he believed fate wise he was forced to do it.
Like he just, he thought he was a prison.
So he wasn't unredeeming completely. He was just a monstrously wrong.
I mean, I don't know where to put him now.
I don't see how.
Bruh, could he use the future and not fix his own problems? Bruh, sounds like a skill issue to me.
It is truly.
I mean, when the emperor just does this straight up, say, you know, your only problem was you just didn't believe you could do anything.
So you can basically, you didn't even try and, you know, move the boat against the stream.
Eli, the nightlords are a very good indie game who gets a completely abominable fan base.
Yep. They are the undertale of Warhammer.
Yay. Yes. Love that game.
Yeah, me too.
That the subreddit that gets banned.
Shame about the fan base.
Shame about what happens if you look up anything.
Shout out to Richard E.B. who did that amazing cover album of Undertale songs.
Shout out to the Smash Bros community.
Alright.
I think we're good on that one.
Let's go on to the next character.
It's not the same thing. I'm joking, obviously.
It's Kato Sikarius. It is I, Kato Sikarius.
Hated by all water town.
S tier. S tier.
Put him in A tier because there was, he's not as hated anymore.
You know, after.
I don't think it's, it's not.
He was.
I would hate Conrad Kurze more than I would hate Kato Sikarius.
Yeah, but like he still has hold over from the days of the ultramarines.
Yeah, should we just put Matt Ward in the back?
Is that what we're saying?
He's going down.
We can't put any more unique ones in.
We need more Matt Ward.
There's too many.
Bring Matt Ward back. He'll fix everything.
Is it going to put Conrad and Mortarion in C tier at least?
Because they're not.
No.
They're not dazed.
No.
That's no control.
I wouldn't allow it.
Oh my gosh.
Next one is that.
He's a tyrant.
Lucius the Eternal.
S tier, man.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Not, no, no.
He is supposed to be hated.
Yeah.
He is the hate.
Yeah, well most people hate him for the wrong reasons, but whatever.
He was, Lucius was goaded during the Horus Heresy when his character was super boring.
So he is at least half cool, right?
He did fight like 1v10 and the Inn on Istvan and won.
So like.
To be fair, Lucius, Araman and Khan are all a bit like they haven't done much for the
last 10,000 years.
At least Typhus is out there doing stuff.
Whereas the other three are just like.
I've read.
Khan's far more people, Khan killed the Saints.
He's living his best life, but he hasn't really like done much.
And Araman, like he's doing his own thing, but he hasn't really done much.
I've read the Lucius the Eternal book.
There's a reason the book is an all like action scenes book.
Cause there is this guy is about as deep as a puddle.
I know they did not try hard on him, but that's not why everyone hates him though.
Everyone hates him because oh, he loses fights like any character should in any fantasy.
The dumb resurrections though.
The dumb resurrections.
Hold on.
There is also the fact that like he invaded the Exorcist chapters like fortress monastery
and just like wrecked all their stuff.
Yeah, Typhus should be.
These are the guys who get possessed by demons.
He's not a demon though.
And they look like chumps.
Yeah.
Yeah, but they think they have like.
Lucius is unironically a baller.
Authors are just really stupid and don't write him into goofy situations.
If you can respawn the dark, you're going to lose.
That's how it works.
But they're like hey.
Maximus Decius, a donation here says that Comet is like the kid in history class who
tries to justify atrocity with the logic that it killed less people than the island hopping
campaign.
Yeah.
Sitting on the outskirts of Sardinia.
Anyway, it's like, but the thing is like the Exorcists are like other than the Grey Knights,
it's the most occult focused faction that should know what they're doing.
And then like Lucius like waltzes in and they kill him and they're like, ah, don't worry
about it.
He's just some guy.
It's like, mm, these don't make sense.
I'm just saying.
Come on.
We all know.
We all know if he's not an S tier, people would look at us funny.
He is hated for like he is generally is like he is one of the most hated characters.
He is hated.
If Carinthius or Armon came in and killed every Exorcist, nobody would care.
All right.
Here's a question of the heralds of the four.
Who's the worst herald?
Lucius.
Yeah, he's not great because he has one book and like zero other things in 40 K.
Well, I think he's I mean, I hate him because what the fucking shit he did at his farm.
He was just, he's just like, I wanted to be in charge.
He was a pet.
Open the gates.
Yeah.
And also he lost because he's an asshole.
He lost to Saul Carvitz in a duel and then when no, I'm still going to win.
I hate you.
Dick.
He took a lot of W's.
All right.
You can't you guys.
You guys.
Eli is just.
He's just because he waited.
I'm just hating him because he betrayed the loyalist on his farm.
Yeah, that does.
So he was he was for sure.
The reason that that didn't go on for another month.
S tier, S tier, S tier.
S tier.
This is the this is the this is the below Erebus character.
This is like the last true emperor's children.
Now, it's all time.
But it's all about this.
But Rylan or lasted longer.
I miss you, Saul.
And also the Spasian who confronted his Primark and then the Primark went, lol, dead.
The next one.
The next one is not really hated, but he was hated in a city like told us to put this on
this one.
Gabriel, Gabriel and do you love or hate double flips?
Don of War 3 gives a backflip.
It's here for me.
And that is Don of War 3 Gabriel right there.
I can't knock it on.
Ironically, pretty cool back flipping Terminator.
Funny.
It's very funny.
It's so funny.
I love that.
I think people just have to have PTSD from the game rather than the actual character.
I feel like you'd blame Gabriel Angelos for Don of War 3 being ass.
Yeah.
I mean, his damn voice lines hit so good.
That's like blaming an actor for a script they haven't written that they have to perform.
It's not the actors fault.
Yeah, because people hate Lucius.
Everybody hates Lucius because they watched one Major Kill video five years ago and they
haven't read a single flip for the minute.
I don't know.
Maybe that's not why you guys hate him, but that's why the community hates him.
Alright.
Yeah, but he was in a Thousand Sons book and his whole plot line was, oh, Sinark, I want
to beat you up, mate.
Nobody's read that Thousand Sons book.
At least he was interesting in that book.
He was slightly interesting, but he was still that annoying younger kid who just hangs around
with the older kids at school in the playground.
He's like, oh, I just want to be part of the gang.
He's like, you're trying too hard.
I like characters who people get mad when they win because I think that's funny and people
are babies.
But he's not like Erebus, who actually has a clean record of win upon win.
He's like, ah, I failed and I failed and then cheat codes.
Yeah, because he's the only character that they can let fail because if the other ones
die, then they're dead and they can't do anything.
They can't let the other characters fail, which is so stupid.
And Khor gets resurrected all the time by freaking Khorne.
I've been reading the new world.
Khorne got two-shot in the Horus Heresy.
He literally got destroyed.
I mean, I've literally been listening to the new Emperor's Children book with Zantai and
he's like an Emperor's Children captain and he's like, he gets stripped of a demon.
It's like he goes through his stuff and like it's not Lucius levels of BS, but he gets
humbled and he still degenerates his way out of it.
I'm like, good work for you, mate.
Nice one.
Better than Lucius.
Asriel should have killed Khorne.
Just saying.
But he couldn't kill Khorne because then Khorne would be dead.
Crazy.
I'm just saying.
Logar.
Logar is an S tier for sure.
I love the guy, but I think most people hate him again because major kill videos and nobody
actually likes him.
That's genuinely one of the most...
Because again, it's an interesting person who deals with the actual character who deals
with the philosophical side of chaos.
And then he actually had the appropriate 1v1 versus an avatar of Kain.
Sorry, Khorne.
The actual only appropriate one.
Logar is interesting.
He's cool-ish, but again, being the runt of the Primarchs, I can see why people start
to hate him because they basically look down on him.
Yeah.
And he got messed up by Korraks on Istvan, and he got messed up by Giliman on Nusaria.
And he got messed up by Horus.
And then he sulked for 10,000 years.
I would sulk for 10,000 years too if I did what he did.
You guys be dogging on characters when everything gets sad.
I would be sad too!
I'm not dogging on Rogal Dorn when he got sad.
Rogal Dorn carried his broken father and his dead brother to the Imperial.
Yeah, but it wasn't Rogal Dorn's fault that his father was dead.
Too bad Rogal Dorn couldn't carry a fucking scene he's in because he's so boring.
Excuse me, excuse me.
Crimson Fist, he's great.
Sorry, there's only one person in the entire community who actually thinks Rogal Dorn's
their favorite.
That's only Chat to Master Valorant.
And that's the only person.
No one else is like, oh man, I'm so excited to see Imperial Fist lore.
He's kind of like mid, but he is good when he's good.
But he's fine.
Have we even got Corvus Korrax on this list?
We should have him, shouldn't we?
Because he's mopey emo-gay.
I don't know if people hate him or hate Terran.
I just think nobody cares about him.
Korrax is racist towards Terrans, but other than that, he's kind of solid.
Korrax is low-key a bit of a racist, yeah.
Everyone 40k is low-key a bit of a racist.
I think in-universe Jagatai isn't.
Logar is hated.
Jagatai is like, as long as you cut your face, all of you are my sons.
I love you, man.
Jagatai's biggest sin.
I can't blame you.
I love the guy, but holy frick.
See?
What happens when the dude cutting their face isn't a human?
You go and date them in camera.
That's what he's doing right now.
What's the next one?
Who is this next one?
Who is Eldrad Uffrun?
Now, he is in-universe.
There's quite a few people who have got a beef with this dude.
Do you want to explain a little bit, Colin?
Well, you see, Eldrad, I think, first off, he's from Ulthwe, who is the seer of Craftworld.
So other ones like Simeon are always like, he shows up and they're like,
God, get the fuck out of here.
You're so annoying with your future eating carpet.
He also tried to summon Iniad, and his method of doing that was to steal all of the farseers
and warlocks from the Infinity Circuits of every Craftworld, which I'm impressed if he could pull that off.
But all right.
And then he kind of failed, which, you know, to be fair, he failed because the Death Watch unbelievably...
I don't want to kill Snash, actually.
I'd rather kill this Eldar guy.
Oh, my God.
I love GW writing. They have the best authors ever.
Death Watch Captain Artemis should have been immediately unpersoned by the Inquisition after that.
But yeah, he got a whole bunch of Spirit Stones and souls wasted, and Iniad did come out,
so he did kind of succeed, but not enough to justify it.
I'm just adding someone.
He got exiled.
He's also an Eldar, so, you know, out of the universe, that immediately can't go lower than B tier.
Yep.
He's been hated as well, particularly if you were reading the Horus Heresy books.
I won't lie.
My man's intellect is a bit lacking in the Horus Heresy.
He's trying, bro. He tried.
He tried to save humanity, not for humanity's sake, to be fair. He doesn't care about humanity.
He freaking tried. Nobody listened to him.
Yeah, but that's the kind of thing, like, when you go to the jailhouse and they're like,
we're sentencing you. Do you have any last words?
I was trying to save you.
Fulgrim was literally about to listen to him until, oh, there's a sword.
I'm so good at writing books. I'm so good at writing.
Fulgrim, the man who fell to a sword.
So stupid, man.
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Eldred is fighting not only against the forces of the 41st millennium, but against the writing of games at workshop.
Maybe. I think leave him in C. He's hated. People got beef with him, but...
I like the elder.
He's cool.
What's the next one then?
I've added one because Quantum Cthulhu said, is Ophia weird-make on this list?
This is the space wolf who's like, ah, psyches are cringe while being a psyche.
Well, technically...
The roots vary.
The dwarves in fantasy are psyches.
I mean, to be fair, this guy got literally, I think, Aruman got his soul devoured by demons or something.
So he kind of got it.
He did get it, but he was still a bit of a dick.
Fuck that guy.
Gotta be honest.
I like every single space wolf in the Thousand Sons books. Thousand Sons got it. They got what they deserved.
Yep.
Bitch.
I'd beat up a Thousand Sons book if I had one.
I'm just saying, if your own Primarch is like, I'll let my sons and civilians die for the greater good, your Primarch is a bit of a...
Thousand Sons or Goated Magnus is their worst aspect.
Thousand Sons are actually all good.
The next one is the true Phoenix King.
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Eldran was trying to speedrun pissing off Fulgrim.
But he actually got through to Fulgrim. That's the thing.
Fulgrim was actually like, yeah, what do you mean? I talk about this all the time.
Fulgrim was like, oh hey, that Eldar guy is actually right.
And then Eidolon said, here's your sword, sir.
And then he's like, oh, that Eldar guy was totally wrong. I should join Horus.
Imagine getting cucked by Eidolon.
It was by the sword.
Oh, it's the sword, innit? It's always about that sword.
Bro, there's nothing I can do!
See how it was written.
He picks up the sword and it's all down the hill.
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Hell of a name. Eldran B- tier.
B- tier for his inability to tell even his own people the truth
and getting people killed due to it's overall dick move.
He is a bit of a dick.
Alright, the next one is...
Is it Vect?
Vect.
I haven't read enough Dark Eldar stuff to know if I hate him.
I mean, I know in-universe, this is probably like...
Of all the people who like, you'd want to like, you know, maybe Erebus you'd probably want to try and kill.
Vect, you just wouldn't go anywhere near in case you didn't win.
There's no in case.
You'd be going to the heart of Gamera.
Because I'm not ready to be a moaning like couch
in like some back alley because he found it funny.
So I think everyone would be happy.
There's not a single person who wishes he was alive. At all.
Vect seems cool. Vect has like a 100% win rate pretty much, right?
If I remember correctly.
Well technically, if anything goes wrong, he eventually wins.
But he's never lost a war.
Easy. Easy win.
I like the Dark Eldar. They get too much hate. Just like the Eldar.
Big truth.
Should put him next to Malekith as well. That'd be very appropriate.
DJ Beast, there's nothing Fulgrim could have done. It was literally him versus the writer.
The writer needed a reason for Fulgrim to fall and he just felt like not trying.
And he didn't listen to the sword for 75% of the book.
DJ Beast also said Colin already has the brain cell of Drukhari furniture.
We just need the body of one.
The fall of Fulgrim is more Beka Kinska's fault than it is the freaking sword.
That was just the nail in the coffin that needed the sword to get through.
That's double simpage. It wasn't the sword, it was the Remembrancer Lady.
It's pretty, innit? I like her.
I see your second Erebus tier right there.
Yeah, this is the only other thing that could get Erebus tier.
I can't even like Manfred, dude.
Manfred von Karstheim.
He got cucked by writing Erebus tier, surely.
No, it is Erebus tier.
He's higher than Erebus in my opinion.
But he's the fantasy version of Erebus, right?
Yeah, but they didn't even do a good job with him.
Erebus gave us 40k, Manfred took fantasy.
He's higher than Erebus.
In fairness, Erebus is...there's no part of Erebus that's like poorly written.
Like Erebus is always kind of...like you hate him, be like, oh I hate him because he's so like...
He's the guy, the villain, and he's such a little rat.
But Manfred is like, oh, you know, like fuck this guy.
Like when he shows up, you don't want him to show up.
I mean, to be fair, it is in End Times, and End Times is some of the worst writing in GW history.
So it's not his fault.
But I mean, it's like Fulgur, like there's nothing you can do about it.
That's what he did.
Yeah, he would be in S tier either way though, because even when he's well written, he's a backstabbing slimy weasel.
Who thought...I just don't get it.
Did you ever read the exact reasoning for why he stabbed Gelton the back?
I don't remember.
It was just to piss off Vlad.
Who was dead?
Oh my gosh, it's so bad.
And I don't know why people like End Times.
It was so awful.
Oh my gosh, it gets me on tilt so hard.
I'm going to end the world.
For no reason.
All I'm going to say, Eli, is my brother is a big fan of Star Trek.
And my brother and my brother's friends really enjoy the new Picard series and all that other trash.
It's like...sometimes a fandom just wants stuff.
And they don't care what the quality is.
They need some slop because we haven't had any slop in a while.
And they don't care.
Unfortunately, this slop ended all future slop.
The slop was full of poison, but they'll eat it up anyway.
That's all I can say.
Speaking of someone who could almost...this is the big debate here.
Is this Erebus tier the next guy?
No, no way.
People love Nagash.
People freaking love Nagash.
But is he not technically the most hated?
In-universe he's hated.
In-universe, yeah.
Fanbase, I feel like most people really like Nagash.
Everyone loves him.
I think Collin's done a good job.
Collin's done a good job of Nagash propaganda.
Question, Collin.
Do people love Nagash more than Conrad?
You know, like the psychos who love Conrad.
Do people love Nagash more?
Like in-universe?
No, outside of universe.
Oh, I would say absolutely people love Nagash more than Conrad.
So does he go to the bottom of D tier then?
Because so many people love him.
Everyone loves Nagash.
He's like an epic bad guy.
There's a few people who just...
Because again, this guy has not...as much as other characters we put in here where it's like...
At some point they know what they're doing wrong.
Nagash doesn't have a moral compass.
The guy does not have a moral compass at all.
He's never once competed.
He's in the wrong.
He's the polar opposite of Erebus.
He's just funny. He's just funny.
He's just poised to him.
The thing is...
But Magnus tries to gaslight himself with the geese.
Yeah, but like Magnus, Mortari and blah blah blah.
They all make mistakes and then they have to cope.
Nagash makes no mistakes.
He doesn't care. He's always right, bro.
And everything he does is intentional.
And that's why he's a bit of a Chad.
Because it's like, no, I meant to do that.
Deal with it.
I still can't believe people would...
If someone said he was more hated,
they would put Nagash over Gabriel Angelos, surely, at some point.
I feel like there's at least some people who are a bit more...
Fuck me, Nagash.
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Might just start speed running.
TTS makes people like a lot of characters just for TTS sake, I guess.
And I feel like that's maybe a reason why a lot of people hate Cato Sicarius is because of TTS.
Well, he was also the center of some Matt Ward level BS.
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Next one, though, guys, is Lehman Russ.
I've always liked Lehman Russ.
But there's definitely a lot of people who don't for his...
Yeah, I feel like A tier, at least.
People hate on Space Wolves a lot.
He's the least favorite Primark, for sure.
Weren't we just talking about Rogal Dorn?
I mean, even he's a little bit better than Russ.
Really?
Just a little bit.
More people like Russ than Dorn and Comrade.
Russ is more stuffed than Dorn, surely.
Russ is a lot more...
I see Deterra kind of resurrected Dorn's image a little bit.
What?
Next one, though, is Magnus.
I do think Lehman Russ is cooler than Dorn.
Guy literally beats Horus.
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Magnus the Red, S tier. God, I despise Magnus.
Yeah, I hate him.
He's such a dickhead.
He serves everything he got.
He's the kind of guy who just basically goes,
I'm not being rude, I'm just being honest.
And he thinks, was he like Schrodinger's douchebag?
Because he thinks he's being...
He's a very charismatic and nice individual
until you slightly disagree with him in any regard,
on any matter, and then he can ask.
Next one is Angron.
I got a spicy...
A lot of people kind of get annoyed at Angron
because he's somewhat a bit bland.
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Oh, I missed that one.
I worked for Fabius by All Is Funny.
I just do like the Thousand Suns because they're interesting.
They seem like just...
They actually seem almost like legit soldiers in some books.
I think they are clearly space marines.
Angron is maybe seated.
I think people don't mind him that much.
I don't mind him. People do hate him, though.
People give him the perturabra treatment.
Yeah, there's been a few books that have done it a bit of justice.
Next is Eidolon.
Who doesn't hate Eidolon?
He's got a hamlet.
I love him on tabletop and stuff.
I think he's cool, but like...
He also gets no lore.
Your sword, my liege.
Is he in any 40k books yet?
I haven't read a single book.
I think he shows up in Fabius by All Book for like one second.
I think he's getting a book release, actually.
He might be part of the Emperor's Children release.
That'd be so awesome.
He's getting a new lore book.
Fighting-wise, he's actually goaded.
He's really cool, but character-wise, he's just a jerk.
And then he gets his head cut off by Fulgrim, which is kind of funny.
Next is Typhus, though.
I don't know.
I didn't read much of this guy until I...
You generally have to read books in this guy.
Otherwise, it just seems like who cares?
Maybe B.
He screws the Death Guard so hard, though.
It's all his fault.
He's the Eidolon of the Death Guard.
Next one is Teclis.
Put a baby in there, man.
I need to remove myself from this talk and conversation.
To be fair, where would you...
He's one of my favorite characters, so I would put him in D tier, because I like Teclis a lot.
Even beyond the horrible things I say about him.
But I can't blame people for not liking him.
If I remember correctly from my fantasy days, he's the biggest dick in fantasy.
Or is that Tyrion?
No.
There's a passage...
I don't remember what book it's from, but Tyrion and Teclis are leading human soldiers through Lustria.
Is this End Times?
No, it's not.
Teclis is...
The standard elf thing is arrogant, humans live for two seconds, who gives a shit.
Teclis is like, they have short lives, but that's their lives, man.
It's the only one they got.
Then he's thinking, most elves probably would have let me die, because he was a sickly tuberculosis baby.
Because of the curse of an Aryan.
I can respect that.
Teclis is a really chill dude when he isn't being End Times writing it.
It's time to get Tyrion's daughter killed.
I guess that's where it was coming from.
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Worst one.
Teclis, his major issues in that regard are like Manfred, it's End Times writing.
But unlike Manfred, he's not an asshole all the time outside of the End Times.
So it's like, well...
I just think he's an alright guy, but he's on a few major dickhead moves.
Maybe C-tier.
He did also try and kill all of the Aedanath Deepkin for no wrong doing.
He was going to just get rid of all of them, because they weren't what he wanted.
Maybe move him up to C-tier.
For the most part, he's a cool dude, but every now and then something shines through, and it's like, what the fuck?
Why am I trying to power through the list?
He is also an elf.
Next one though...
Now, Colin again can't do the next one, because this one is Marathi.
And this was the only image I could find of Marathi that one.
Oh no, I can make out anything of that picture.
I'll even fully accept, put her in at least A-tier right now. She is a monster.
She's never nice or... yeah.
Truly disgusting.
She has sympathetic moments in the very early years of the Warhammer setting, chronologically within the universe.
Where she told Anarion she loved him, and he just turned around and left.
That's just sad.
Can you blame him?
I don't think she could love anything.
You cannot fix that woman.
She's bad for you, Colin, stop.
Then she caused probably about 80% of all wrong in the world.
You can probably trace back to Urban Malakith.
NeonElefGrey says, if John Grammaticus isn't S-tier, I write.
Honestly, John Grammaticus probably...
I don't think enough people, funnily enough, necessarily in the Warhammer community know who John Grammaticus is.
He's kind of a book exclusive character.
Or a heresy.
I'm pretty sure Warhammer Plus at least is functional, even if it sucks.
Yeah, for real.
Who is this next guy?
These are kind of more as compared together.
The one that's named Tibolt Ma, who's one of the Horus heresy characters, who basically ends up killing loads of nice, loyalist characters.
He's really like... he's not Arabist here.
But this guy basically just deserves a kick in the face.
Does he get killed by Sigismund in the Warhammer?
I think Garbiel Loken.
He's a bit of a background character that gets elevated to main character and then dies.
And he's gonna leave Minestir, because there's no way he feels any differently about it.
Little Horus Aximand, again, killed a few favorite characters.
He's my short king.
He's not like that well-despised.
I really wish he'd survived this Hegeterik.
He's quite... me too.
...coolish.
But he gets what he deserves.
And he's interesting at least though.
So I don't think you could say that much badly about him.
Next one though is Abaddon.
Abaddon is probably one of his S-tier, unfortunately.
Sorry, Abaddon.
I think he's unfortunately...
Read the Black Legion books and maybe you won't hate him as much, but until everyone else doesn't...
until the community actually reads a book, he will always be S-tier.
I think Abaddon does go S-tier, yeah.
It is also just partially not his fault.
It was just the nature of the setting prior to the Great Rift and Seventh.
Where the whole point was, we're like one second to midnight.
The end is coming.
It's just... we're freezing it in the snapshot right before it does.
And so he was internally for like 20 real-life years stuck at, about to blow up Kadia.
It's coming, for real. Any day now.
Which isn't his fault.
I think that was a feature of the setting.
Not like a downside, but it did end up making him look like a bit of a fool.
I don't think I can see the next one.
Shadow Sun, I think.
I think that's Shadow Sun, yeah.
Again, this one is just... the reason Shadow Sun is hated, because she's a bit of a nothing burger.
Yeah, yeah. I haven't read her new book though, so I don't know what's in it.
She has the personality of exactly what you'd think a stealthy character would.
She's kind of supposed to though.
She kind of just lives in the shadow of other Benek Tau characters.
I like how she out-stealth the Raven Guard. That makes me happy.
And she has some cool moments.
She 1v1s Jigutsu Kahn in Melee.
And she also...
Hibou Kahn.
Yeah, sorry, not Jigutsu Kahn.
The Space Marine, I don't remember his name.
It's the one who's on the playable walls.
The chapter master of the White Scars.
She 1v1s him in close combat.
And she also, mercy kills a White Scar instead of putting him in a dreadnought.
Because she knows what will happen to him.
So she's actually cool. She has her moments.
But she's a Tau, which makes automatically 50% of the community hates her.
Jubal Kahn, that's it.
It was Corso. It was totally Corso.
Yeah, yeah, okay.
And he just said he likes Jubal Kahn.
I put her in at least B tier just because she's a Tau.
So most people hate her.
She'll have hooves.
Alright, so she's Tau, so 50% of the 40k community hates her.
And she's a female, so that makes 15% of the Warhammer community hate her.
So...
64, 65.
I put her in. I'd honestly put her in.
What is happening? What is Annie doing?
I'm sure Annie would put her in S for Venus.
She's doing something.
Oh yeah, see I knew it. I knew it.
She has good moments with the Space Marines though.
Like the Corsaro actually respects her as an opponent and stuff.
Okay, if the White Scar is like her, then you should like her too, Andy.
Just saying.
That's true, the White Scar said she's doing alright.
Next one though is Bellacor.
I want to read the Bellacor.
This guy can't catch a break.
He's too pathetic to be hated.
He doesn't do anything.
Does he ever take a W?
No, I mean he's the first.
He's got a sick model.
Ever chosen or whatever, isn't he?
No, he was originally the only Demon Prince.
And then before realized, wait, we can make more of these.
We can make our own ones.
Yeah.
So Zinch, because Bellacor was getting uppity about it.
Who the hell says woman tier?
This is why you have no Riz.
Jesus Christ, boys.
Next one is Archeon.
I think he's more hated in-universe.
There's a bit I do kind of hate about Archeon, which is the whole,
I don't like being told my destiny is so I'm going to follow my destiny.
I actually don't understand that plot line.
I think it depends.
I think it used to be like he was trying to do the theory that if he killed everyone ever,
chaos would starve.
Unfortunately, as it turns out, fantasy is a multiverse,
so they can just put him somewhere else to hang out for a bit.
I think he probably would have been liked a lot if it weren't for End Times,
and then he'd beat everyone.
Yeah, if this was 2015, he'd be right next to Manfred.
But he has cool moments.
I mean, I think he's...
CJP sent him.
I like him more than Abaddon.
Yeah, I like him, and he's got a cool model,
and it looks cool in Sigmar and all of that.
But some people just don't like him.
I think his...
I read this online.
Someone was theorizing, so take it with a massive grain of salt.
I think the idea was now he's trying to use chaos as a tool.
It's like, look, we kind of have to embrace it,
because clearly they've shown they can end the world once,
might do it again.
So now it's like a...
Don't...
Because he is undivided, and he's arguably almost a god now,
so he's trying to go a little bit of a different route than just chaos,
but he is still one of the guys who blew up the world,
and he can be a little bit boring.
And he says, Archaeon-sash-Abaddon build.
The next one, though, is not a character,
but it's an entire chapter, which is the Marines of Malevolent.
I love the Marines of Malevolent so much.
Yes, I do.
They are, in fact, the worst thing that's ever existed in the Eurim.
This guy likes the Iron Warriors, but hates the Marines of Malevolent.
I don't think so, buddy.
I don't think so. The Marines of Malevolent are awesome.
The Salamanders had it right. Punch in the face.
I mean, it is mostly due to Dreadanon's videos,
that I like the Marines of Malevolent now, but I still love them.
And their colour scheme goes hard.
They are rightly despised.
Yeah, but I like them.
It doesn't matter. They are hated. They are hated.
Not by everyone, though.
Colin, do you even...
These are the heroes you wish to die for, surely.
The Marines of Malevolent?
Their whole point is that they're supposed to be hated.
GW put out, when they had opened their 500 store,
they had this bit like 500 facts for 500 stores.
It's like kind of goofy community posts they made.
I think it was like number 28,
the Marines of Malevolent are just the worst.
Like their mission statement is,
make something that is just awesome.
I love these guys.
They succeeded. They are the worst.
They just target civilians because why not?
Jesus Christ.
Next one is Asterion Moloch.
Mr. Come Steal Your Artifacts.
I can't blame people for hating this guy.
He's just like somebody's OC put into real Warhammer writing.
Yeah, it's a bit of someone's...
It is very much like, oh, I'm overpowered.
I brought my previous character from my previous D&D campaign.
He sure is cool.
But he...
He's cool in a way that it's cool when he takes something he wrote as a child
and pop it or something.
He is Mr. Everything Proof Shield with the fucking custodians.
I still love him, though, because he's just cool.
He's cool. Cringe. Yeah, I agree, Andy.
I like him. He's a respectable cringe.
And he looks so freaking cool.
He does. He looks sick.
Next one is Huron Blackheart.
I love this man.
He's better than Abaddon.
He's the Abaddon with seasoning.
Yeah, well...
He's well written, Abaddon. Okay, alright, okay.
I love Huron.
And his model's still so cool.
I feel like people don't really hate Huron, do they?
I think he's a hated character, technically.
He just like...
Particularly on Pyrrhus, I just very much like...
I wish this guy actually had a proper novel series rather than campaign books,
because he's so good.
He just has one-off books.
Maybe DT then for him. Maybe DT, just because actually he's not despised.
White Scars fans probably hate him.
Is that Trazen?
There's Trazen and Orokin.
Technically in-universe, they are both despised by their own factions.
I think Orokin's kind of a jerk.
The Necrons hate them.
I think Orokin's kind of a jerk.
I don't really like Orokin.
I think Orokin eventually...
He's fine, but I don't like him.
When he eventually realises what his end goal is, when he briefly achieves it,
and it would turn me basically into a pseudo-guitarn like them.
But he's still gonna go try and do that and turn the Necrons into energy.
They're like...
One of the whole points of Infant Divine is that their opposite ends.
Like, Trazen's obsessed with their past.
Orokin is only obsessed with the future.
Trazen though, my god, he's hated by everyone in his museum.
No doubt.
Not the community. The community hate loves him though.
He's Trazen.
I don't think he's the frickin' God's gift to mankind,
but everyone else seems to, so I don't really care.
I'll be honest, I'm one of those. I love Trazen.
I know you are. I know you are.
His bits in Battlefleet Gothiker is like, ah...
As a Necrons enjoyer, I think the other Necrons are cooler personally,
but I do like Trazen.
He's the flavor you enjoy.
I don't know.
I think he's a little bit too silly nowadays, but...
I love that.
He's just a little goofball.
Truly Orokin's face looking like a boss.
You'll randomly abduct people and bring them to the museum
and complain that they're too busy screaming for him to lecture them.
I'm on my knees for Trazen, bro.
Okay.
What's the next one there?
Oh, Goj Van Dyar.
Goj Van Dyar.
Goj the Go?
What's known as Doj Van Dyar.
From Age of Apostasy.
I haven't read the book with the Age of Apostasy.
Is there a book or is it just like...
It's not a book.
Yet.
So when we're done with the new 500 scouring novels, maybe we'll get that.
Wonderful.
I'm not going to read a single one of those freaking books, dude.
Too fair though.
This guy...
He's pretty much just like...
There's not a single person who likes him, surely.
God, it felt so good.
I was being edged when he wasn't dying.
When he finally hit it though.
That was the release.
We have the Sisters of Battle because of him though, right?
That is the right one that I'm thinking of?
Well, that's not because of him.
In spite of him.
It was kind of because of him.
He's the one who formed them into a military organization.
He's kind of an Arabus, yeah.
I agree.
It formed after him because of his death and they said no men could.
Yeah, but that whole...
It came about because the brides of the emperor from the planet he took with him
were so fucking dug in and good at fighting
that the imperial fist couldn't get them out.
Mm-hmm.
Damn.
I think, yeah, he's...
He's cool.
He does belong in...
He's maybe not the most hated, but he is pretty much just...
Fuck that guy.
Am I allowed to say Joseph Smith?
Is that rude to say on the internet?
Can I compare it to Gojvan Dyer and Joseph Smith?
Is that gonna give me trouble?
Am I thinking of like, is that the guy from Occult?
Wow, you guys...
Joseph Smith is the founder of...
Oh, the founder of the Mormon Church.
Bruh.
Sorry to anyone who's Mormon in a chair.
Is he influenced by...
I mean, there's no Golba's bit.
Only a bit or two on the nose.
I don't think Gojvan Dyer ever found sacred golden plates in the middle of the fucking Nevada desert.
Or translated certain Egyptian funerary texts.
Listen, the Cthulhu Mythos book is a very ancient...
Sorry, the Necronomicon is a very sacred book, Eli.
Don't you dare disrespect it.
Fabius Bial.
My man truly...
He's such a good character. Man, I hate him, though.
Oh my gosh, I freaking hate him.
I love him, but I hate him.
He ruined everything.
He's awful.
But you would...
Anything, any more material about it, you would devour, because it's good.
I'd work for him.
No, you wouldn't.
He's better than Fulgrim nowadays, but also he could have brought us Emperor's children back, and then he just decided not to instead.
That's a GW move.
But it was because he's prideful and wanted to do his own thing.
He didn't want the Legion to be a thing.
He wanted Men to be the next thing, because his work is too important for the Emperor's children to be united.
God, he's still a pity on that guy.
But also, they just didn't want to have clone Fulgrim be in the plotline.
To be fair, at least it was there, though.
It's always there, just if they wanted to do something with it.
If they do 40k end times, then they'll bring him back, and then we won't have 40k one year later.
I just need that clone Fulgrim to die to the real Fulgrim.
Because that's the only way we'll see him.
I don't want that.
The next one, though, is Illuminor Zeras.
This guy.
Generic mads.
He's just a magic mad scientist.
He's literally just generic mad scientist.
Everyone in the universe hates this guy, though.
This guy, even the other Necrons, despises this guy.
He is abominable.
He hates it.
But his model being so cool makes me jealous and sad that we don't have cool models for the other Necrons.
But he's...
I wish with Trazen's model, you could have a thing where you could bring in allied units that are like a battle line from other things.
That would be fun.
That would be a really cool way to do it, though.
Just like one unit.
You can bring in one battle line unit from another faction.
I like the way Port Hammer said it, which is it would be completely broken, but you can only have 500 points of Necrons and everything else has to meet some other thing.
He's just thrown out there.
That'd be funny.
Bring out Horus Heresy models as well.
I don't know if anyone hates Illuminor Zeras, though, because he doesn't have any book.
He's got the Emotech issue where he has almost no lore.
He's in the animation.
He's in the Blackstone Fortress stuff.
But that's pretty much it.
Oh, Crimson Glory, thank you, brother.
He says, I'm late because of Astartes Anonymous.
Colin, you are the king of degenerates.
And thank you for the gelt bit.
I was crying from the eyes.
Nice.
I actually need to go have a look at the thumbnail for Astartes Anonymous.
Because they cook with those.
I was going to vote for Gilman.
Yeah, he is in Parion Nexus.
That's true.
I haven't seen Parion Nexus.
I'm back in Port.
I haven't seen Parion Nexus.
I'm back in Port.
What is that?
Is that Sigmar versus Emperor?
They're both oiled up, shirtless, and ready to go.
Way to go.
The next one, though, is
Harman.
Next one is Azek Harman.
I wish I've read more of his books.
He's not Estir's bro.
He's actually like, the thing is, he's not in a book where he's written poorly.
He's done his job.
Bro.
Every book he's been in
is good, though.
As in, the parts which focus on him.
He's a very deeply flawed character.
And you cannot do that motion.
We can talk about White Scars right now, bro.
I rate for Harman.
Because Harman's only flaw
is he just doesn't give up.
And his version of
doesn't giving up is, I will save my brothers.
Even if I had to
step over an entire orphanage to do it.
Yeah, I like that.
He's not like a fully
full on, I'm evil
because I'm like, just because I'm downright evil.
He does
evil things because he has to like
try and justify it in his own mind.
I hope that he gets
a new book, and it's 99%
the best Warhammer book
ever written.
Undeniably, it's a phenomenal book.
It's beautiful. And then the last
pages he gets the Black Library and Kegret
Ketsum in the nuts and like
will be pushing someone and just throw some little warps.
We should have put the Harlequins on this list. People hate
the Harlequins, dude.
Yeah, man.
Harman is not S tier.
Top of S tier hated
character. No, I don't agree with that either.
No, he's like B tier.
I don't think anyone hates Harman. There are people who just don't
know much about him
or people who actually read the stuff and they like him.
I'd say put him B.
Yeah. B?
There are reasons to not like him.
There are plenty of people who don't like Harman.
He is the
Magnus 2.0 with the same arrogance.
He's the Thousand Sun. I know what I'm doing. I can do
this right. Thousand Suns are like the Eldar
of Space Marines.
Half the people just hate them.
At least we get books, though.
Yeah, yeah.
Sit down.
Next one, though, is my
Papa Zinch.
You could put all of them in S tier, except for
the one who gets Erebus tier.
Okay, okay. Calm down.
I feel like Zinch is probably one of the more
hated ones.
Because it's like, it's always part of my
plan. It's always part of my plan.
Yeah, bro, Zinch knows everything. Oh, you're a source?
Oh, this Zinch demon told me.
I don't think people hate Nurgle
as much because Nurgle gets
quite like... People think Nurgle
is actually nice for some unknown
reason. Also, Nurgle is really
freaking on the like tabletop design.
I think Nurgle is so lame nowadays. He's just
a goofy cartoon of
a chaos god.
I don't like it.
I even don't like
the Death Guard models. I'm sorry.
I just think it all looks bad.
And silly.
I mean, I thought about making
a thousand point Death Guard army.
And I very much thought
like, man, I need to like spice
them up a little bit. Yeah.
But particularly other factions like Kornate stuff.
Like the World Eater models.
For like just the basic ones.
Everything is looking pretty damn
like nice.
And Kornate demons look really cool.
Kornate demons look cool. Zinch demons look cool.
Slash demons look cool. Nurgle demons.
The old ones look cool, but the
new ones are just so freaking goofy.
Like...
There's the demon
they fight in the
Dark Imperium suit. The first book
called Quarameyer.
And it's described as like a dragon
that constantly ages and
de-ages. So it switches from like new
flesh to like old
withered stuff. And it's like constantly doing that.
It literally describes like a dragon demon.
And there are like some other...
There's another demon of Nurgle I think, which is like
it's described like insanely tall.
And it's basically like just gaunt bones.
And it like just clicks and
clacks along. So there are some like
really cool demons in the Nurgle stuff.
In the books he's cool. Yeah. In the books Nurgle is fine.
He does get overused I feel like.
I feel like Nurgle is like the go-to
chaos god in most stories. It's the safe option, isn't it?
Yeah. It's the safe option.
A lot of time. I don't hate Nurgle
himself, but Tabletop I do hate them.
Lore I don't mind.
I think I'd even argue at this point then.
Technically Nurgle is more hated because it's overused.
So people are sick of it.
Maybe A-tier.
I have... People don't really hate
Nurgle though.
Most people love Nurgle.
All everyone thinks he's super nice.
Korn is...
Yeah. He's 50.
I haven't met somebody who doesn't like Korn other than
Colin to be fair. I'm not the biggest fan.
I think Colin is just really loud about it.
I'm Korn.
The Korn one is
the Korn one is missing a dimension
the other ones have.
Yeah, but he's nice and simple.
You get what you're looking for. I think Colin's even said
that before.
There's no lies being told with Korn.
You want to...
Throne is trashed.
Blood pact is really cool.
I like Korn.
I think Korn's fine.
I don't think people hate Slenesh.
She gets a lot of hate for cringe reasons
because nobody actually knows anything about her.
She gets hate from GW.
Sex. Eli, sex.
Tell me
you haven't read a single Warhammer
book without telling me you haven't read a single Warhammer
book.
Did you just read the Warhammer book before
marriage? Disgusting.
And also
the guy who does those freaking stupid comics
he's probably a big reason why people
think Slenesh is freaking lame.
Oh my gosh.
I think there's a lot of guys.
Anyone who makes art of
Slenesh.
I won't even
talk about it.
That's the
hatred tier list.
I mean
Erebus and Manfred.
They earned it. They truly
are the worst.
Kibandas Mighty Schlong, thank you
once again for the donation.
Your produce is
safer now, Colin.
That's good to hear.
CrescentGlory says Korn is top of S tier.
Go to the gym, eat healthy,
get some sleep, collect skulls and keep
the nails from biting.
All the things you just said in that
sentence would make
r slash 40k hate you to be fair.
So I mean maybe he is
a higher up there.
Is there a subreddit called
something
Sigmarsism?
That's the cesspit of humanity, dude.
Is there like another one which is like the opposite
of that? Yeah there is. It's like Horus
something. It came about recently.
Oh my gosh.
What do they do? Well they have a list
of, it's like
red, green, orange of like
Woke Not Woke
You to our channels.
So you know, they're the other end.
Wait are we on the list?
I don't know. Put that kumdump in history.
Let me see if I can find it. Thank you Kibanda.
Yeah, slash probably isn't D tier but
you know it's over. We gotta slash W.
I'm taking it. If you want to hear
my political opinion, there's only one thing that's
really popping off in my local area
which is the bus routes. I won't lie.
Every single, there's nothing happening
where I live and the only thing
that every single political
party is put on our thing is
we're really passionate about bus
routes.
That's the end of like
politics for today. There's literally
nothing else going on.
The bus routes
will be kept secure. Bro,
no, because the bus routes used to be better
and they used to go through like each different
area and now they're kind of
they've all, like the bus routes have been
changed. Some of them have been taken off
completely. You Europeans have no idea
how good you have it with your public
transport. I can also walk to my
town center in 30 minutes.
We live in centralized city hell and
it takes you two hours to get to
the other side of my city which is a 10 minute
drive.
Don't tell me what bad bus is. How don't you
live in Yaha Gul? No.
This is not bad.
Colin likes elves more than insulin.
That's a bold statement.
You know, that's
a hard one. I do quite like living
so.
Alright brothers, this is the, hopefully as long as
Riverside will keep going, we'll keep
this one going. Next one is
just a quick little cheeky Star
Wars tier list. This is just media,
some games,
TV and
some films. Some of these
I'm not gonna lie, Star Wars
is fallen off recently but there's
some nostalgia probably strong
for some of these things. First one
though is at episode 9.
Is that episode 9? Oh you just put
Rise of Skywalker. Yeah, it's bad.
Can we put just 9 and 8?
Yeah.
8 goes even below, like
8 is even further down.
Should we do a bit of a restart
so Andy can participate?
I think the stream
might blow up then.
We could just keep
episode 8 could just stay off the
tier list. It's not even worthy of being
on it in the first place. Maybe only
episode 8 goes into
dock shit tier list and then
episode 9, because it's not 8, goes
into D.
And he's not having any.
Chris and Gloria says, when an entire country
brackets Britain as the size of a state,
public transportation is easier
to do. I mean, but to be fair, we've got
70ish nearly million
people in one state.
And remember a lot of the UK
is spread out. Like it's not as
centralized apart from London obviously.
Alberta is like the size
of most European countries and we have
like, I don't know, 3 million people.
Yeah, it's empty. Awesome.
Isn't it? Yep.
I never played these games.
Force Unleashed Est.
This is actually the best one.
The thing is that Colin, did you play this?
What console did you play on?
Xbox.
I played this.
Golf for Bid on the Nintendo Wii.
And there are different missions.
It's like a controller input thing
you put into the Wii remote.
There are different, the
starter mission is different
on the Nintendo Wii.
What is it? It's
Kashyyyk, but it's nighttime.
I didn't even realize there were
different missions at the beginning.
I think there's a couple other ones too that are
just for some reason different. Although some
of that I'm sure is probably because the Wii U had
the processing power of like
a fucking rock.
I wrote up
gang signs down there.
This game was good
just because I remember, I don't know what
the power it was, but the one where you could literally turn yourself
into like a black hole.
Oh yeah.
That was fun.
This one is Yanden.
Book of Boba Fett.
This one was weird.
It's not dog shit.
But it was very...
It's just a nothing burger.
I felt like someone wrote this who maybe
like saw
Star Wars once.
Andy, listen, I can tell that you're not
happy with the fucking...
Jesus.
I'm really not pleased with Hear Me Out.
But like the five scenes Cad Bane
is in it are fucking
wonderful scenes. That's all I saw
is like one of those scenes.
I love me Cad Bane. The fact that you needed
to watch a deleted scene to get
context. It wasn't a deleted scene.
He's in the show. No, there's like a bit
of a like, explains like, oh
it was gonna be in like the animated show
about how they parted ways or something
like...
Sparkle's not a dog shit.
It's not dog shit.
It can't be as bad as episode 9,
can it?
Look at what we're dealing
with. It's not episode 9 or episode 8.
It was really mid though.
Really mid. Mid
is not bad. Like, yeah, it was boring
and why did it exist?
I couldn't put it in C though.
Another new tier.
And he's got passionate
opinions about this.
What's this next one? Is it episode 2?
I can't tell.
He's trying to do something.
I think that Star Wars, is that the
original Clone Wars animation one?
Oh, is it?
Oh yeah, that peak
last year. That one was actually really
damn cool. I've only seen clips
but it looks so awesome. Shout out to the
General Grievous team that made
me scared. The only thing that did General Grievous
good.
Literally the only thing he's cool about.
He gets so cucked by writing
and every other...oh man.
Dude, he showed up and was just like
oh, we had 5 Jedi. We had...
He was cool in some moments in Clone Wars
to be fair. But in episode
3, oh my baby
boy Grievous, my poor baby
boy.
The next two are...I would almost put
these two together because they're kind of just as
good as each other. Jedi Survivor
and the other one.
I haven't played them.
I think the second one is a little bit
just because there's that Darth Vader scene in the
first one. The second one I think
was a bit too long winded.
The second one, I...granted
again, not having played it, all I really knew about it was
initially on launch it had such memory
issues that you could have a
$50,000 PC and you couldn't run
the damn thing.
It would just eat your computer.
The next
one is Force Unleashed 2.
Now this one was pretty...
It wasn't as good as the first one I wouldn't
say but it's pretty
coded. Honestly just put it
right below the Force Unleashed 1 in A tier
because Force Unleashed
but again, which you know, I liked
Force Unleashed, more Force Unleashed.
It was a bit short though.
It was very short.
Especially compared to the...
Neither of them are super long games but yeah
the second one came and went a lot quicker.
The ending was a bit
mid as well.
Top of S tier? Top of S tier.
Yeah, top of S tier. Nice, zero, public.
Fuck.
I tried, I kinda tried it
at one point but I didn't really get into it.
Dude, it's...
When did you play it? That's a genuine...
Is this the online game? Right? No.
This is the original one.
I haven't played this since. Darth Revan.
Andy's playing it.
This one needs like a...not a remaster but a remake.
Which I think is...they cancelled that.
They cancelled it, then uncancelled it
then cancelled it and then maybe it came back.
That thing is in development
purgatory. It's not even development hell.
Bloody show news like, it's second
row for Dummys. I think that's for Force Unleashed
too. True but
I mean it was...
But it styled it.
When it came out, great game.
Nicely the Old
Republic 2 though.
I'm gonna say something controversial.
It's not as good...
The character development in it is really interesting.
Very good character development.
It should go in B tier because if you
ask someone, how should I play this game
they will without fault tell you
I'm trying to figure out
what's going on with the...
Writing.
The writing was good in the second one.
The writing was really good in the second one.
It's just like you ask someone
like, yeah I'm thinking about playing Nicely the Old
Republic 2 and then they go, yeah it's a great game
but you really need the unofficial edition
and the cut content and this patch.
There's so many things I feel like
people tell you you need to add to
KOTOR 2 to make it the peak
experience. It's like well... Yes, Kerms and Gloria.
His mic did.
It's not his mic that's broken. It's Riverside.
But next week,
we might be on something else.
Maybe. Bloodshed. Nicely the Old Republic has
the best deconstruction of
Star Wars
in the entire series.
It's just generally something more...
It's contributed something to the
franchise which most of the other
things on this list just won't have.
Someone also got confused and edited
Chaos God as the main...
as the final boss. Oh yeah, Darth Nihilus.
What did he do? Oh, he ate a planet.
You mean he ate a planet. He ate it.
I do really like the occasional
Star Wars lore that's just like insane.
Like that. That is awesome.
The next one is that Star Wars Lego...
We got a couple donations by the way.
Oh, sorry.
It's Sekiro for dummies.
I'm assuming that was about four sunleaf...
He was talking about...
He mentioned later he was talking about Survivor.
Oh, sorry.
H. Mia Love.
I was about to replace the
Lego Chewbacca PFP.
But you guys have a holy faggot.
Good man. You keep that PFP.
You keep it. Is that the Fortnite
Lego?
Like Star Wars thing on here?
Okay, the
Lego Star Wars...
I'd be honest, I might put Lego Star Wars
all together just because it's in my mind
it's almost like one thing. The new games are
a lot different though.
They talk and I don't like them. Oldest
original Lego Star Wars is totally
SD. That's my childhood.
That's everyone's childhood. It's so fun.
I mean, that's like...
Like the free play zones are fun.
The complete saga. There you go.
Starting a fight in Dexter's, just
because you're bored and you want to see
the Lego's kill each other.
But the next one though,
this is the game where like no one
I knew in real life had played
this game and I bought it in like
just a regular old
CEX shop.
I think at the time I was like, I literally
cannot explain, like I knew
nothing about this game and I got Star
Wars Republic Commando and
it fucked.
Do you ever play the multiplayer,
Colin?
Not really. I played with a lot of the
multiplayer and people were good
because like the multiplayer was dead at
that point. So like one or two servers
left, but the only people who were playing
it were the people who were still going.
My god, that game was
I don't know why
they didn't make the Order 66
like second one. My god, that was
so much fun. This one for
me, I don't think everyone would agree, but
for me personally, it would
get into like probably the bottom of S tier.
I haven't played it since I was a kid.
Oh man, I just couldn't
like, it had like some really cool
neat features like certain like interaction.
You actually felt like a proper like Commando
unit. It was honestly
my favorite, like one of those tactical
shooters because the AI of like
the rest of Delta Squad was
competent to the point you could trust them to do
something, but they weren't so competent
that it was like, well, why am I here? Why am I
why do I even need to be here? The AI
is showing me up, which is such a
hard spot because most of the time
your AI teammates are just brain
dead and the rest of the time they usually
just sweep. So
the fact that you could also like you set up your own
sort of miniature like defense
system, like putting some guys on turrets,
some guys on things and like
God, I miss this game. Okay.
B tier. B tier.
Andy, I actually will
find out where you live.
God, um. The gunplay was not
mid. You're insane. The gunplay was
something you are. Andy
is the arbiter. Andy can type in the chat. Oh my
gosh. I need to.
Also, we had a donation. Drunken
Cal 13 says, uh, I've been
scanned. This ain't 40k. We just
we're a little bit further in, brother. We do
one 40k. We do like an hour and a half
for 40k. Yeah, and a half
for 40k. And as um, just
a finishing tier list. Is that Rogue One?
I like Rogue One.
It has the Darth Vader scene.
It doesn't. It wasn't a
masterpiece. I don't know. I put it probably. I
didn't. I think it was fine. I watched
that film once and I
don't think I'd ever watch it again.
I think it's
because it came out around the same time of
seven and eight. It felt really good when you
watched it because it was just so much better
than the rest of the other one. But like
I mean, yeah, I think
it gets beats here. It was more than a 50%
for me. I think it's a
good film.
But you could always be forgiven without
you could literally think, oh
this wouldn't even be a Star Wars film
necessarily. Like this is an alright
film.
On a weird spot, if it wasn't tied
to Star Wars, would it be a good film?
It's like, it's
cool. It's decent. It's a good movie.
It was a fun movie. The Darth Vader scene is the
only thing you will ever see. Yeah, yeah. Having something
that was enjoyable to watch
in that era of Star Wars was
like a blessing all on its own. So
I feel like I'd rewatch
a lot of the other Star Wars things here or like
play a lot of things. I don't think I'd watch Rogue One
again. Like I've enjoyed it
and it's over. Yeah, but I wouldn't watch seven
eight or nine ever again.
If I showed up to something
and they were showing Rogue One, I wouldn't mind.
Yeah,
I mean, I'd rather watch Rogue One
over any of those.
Bad Batch, the next one.
I'm not lying. I've not been keeping
up with this, but I know people have
enjoyed it. People really like it, yeah.
Yeah, dog shit. They killed
Scorch. Sad.
It didn't seem like the same as
it did not feel like Clone Wars
to me when I watched the first episode, but it seemed
okay. It's made one
really good thing, which was
it's actually properly
made sense of the gap between
the Republic
and then the Empire.
As in, it actually shows you like
the slow transition.
Yeah, like the clones training the Stormtroopers.
And so
it's one of the few things that have like sort
of in a way fixed Star Wars.
So if like as an
it makes like almost like a complete story.
So maybe I'm going to get like a
C tier. I think people
who are like a big Warhammer
fans, the problem is, Star Wars
fans, is that
it's the okay Star Wars
thing at the moment compared to the other dog
shit thing. So it gets a much higher rating than it
really deserves. Star Wars
fans cope harder than Warhammer fans,
I'm convinced. Yeah, we've always
we always get at least we're still getting
decent, like especially
lore stuff. We're getting decent
books and things
at the time. I've not watched this one, I've only
heard good things about it. I just, I
actually haven't seen Andor, but I know it's very
good. I heard it's very good.
Andy is
Andy's dad. We can give him this one without arguments.
I'm still upset about Republic Commando
being B tier. Yeah, that is crazy.
I haven't even played the game and I know that it's S tier.
Fine, fine.
What's the next one?
I don't know what that is. That looks like the
ComStar logo. What is that,
Andy? You don't know? Okay.
I guess it gets mid F. I'll leave it in mid.
Sure. Star Wars Battlefront
is that the first one?
No.
No, the first one's right below it. I don't know what that is.
Oh, is it?
It could be the DS version.
I don't know what I'm looking at.
Andy says one circle,
two circles, one.
It's a character with a, just a
red light-staper.
I don't know what that one is,
to be fair. Hang on.
Andy, Andy bro, it's like
charades. You can't just keep doing the same thing and expect
me to know what you mean. Oh!
Um.
Obi-Wan. Oh, Obi-Wan series.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my god. I have not watched
this either. I heard it was kind of mid.
But I just do the egg thing. Honestly,
this one was not
that good. I didn't hear good things about it either.
It was not that good.
It was a big,
it was a big nothing bug.
Can we just jump ahead and put Solo
right next to it? Like, I
didn't, are we gonna have a productive
conversation about fucking Solo?
It was alright. Cool. Yeah,
Darth Maul was in it, other than that.
It's not dog shit. It's not dog shit.
Yeah, I went
to it in Calgary, I just docked myself
with my friends, and we went,
we saw it in the D-Box
seats, and so there's lots of space scenes, and you were
flying around the whole time, and it was, it was
a fun, again, it came out in time of like
7 and 8 era, so watching something
that wasn't completely terrible,
it was kinda nice. It was mid.
It was mid. It was dog shit, but it doesn't need to really
exist. It's kind of a pointless
movie, but you know, it's okay.
It was fun to watch, and it had to
be the next one. Is that the original?
Is that, what kind of
one is that? Is that a new hoax?
Is that episode 4? Oh, fucking A-Tier.
Yeah, I guess for me, I love episode
4. I'm only saying
A-Tier, cause it's competing with Empire Strikes
Back. Yeah.
To be fair, even now,
if you actually just randomly
rewatch
the original Star Wars trilogy,
I just forget how good
it is. There's a reason Star
Wars is still around, cause the
trilogy is phenomenal. Every time you say,
wow, it really was like, cooking.
But I didn't experience
it from like, oh, it was like the most brand new
revolutionary thing ever.
Andy,
I'm gonna negotiate with you. Put it
bottom of S, and I'm only,
again, Empire Strikes Back.
Yeah, Empire Strikes Back is such a better movie.
I love Kotor and the
Kotor cartoon more than I like
episode 4. It's a phenomenal movie.
I'm not debating you on that. I just think
that a lot of the things in S-Tier
are just... Colin's actually seen
some of these movies. That's crazy.
Oh my gosh.
When is it gonna be our turn to control
the T-List? Oh my gosh.
My mom hates Star Wars, but my dad
fucking loves it. Next one is Star Wars
Rebels. I
watched it. You know what? This one is a
it's either C
or B. It's best it was B
on certain things, because like certain things
and characters and things came back. I did watch
the Marvel vs Obi-Wan scene and that was very, very,
very well done. That was incredible.
But I haven't watched the show. I watched a few
episodes and thought this is dumb and
I just... I definitely
it does suffer from
it's a worse
like they weren't ready to make
Rebel. Like, basically
Disney had bought Star Wars
and they basically went, alright, we need some new shit
make Rebels. It wasn't like a
organic creation. It felt
like the like more
of a kid's version of Clone
Wars when I've watched it. Maybe
it got better, but so I can't say. No, I
do agree with C too.
It had very good moments, but
overall it was just kind of decent.
I don't know what the next thing is. What is that?
I don't know what I'm looking at. I can't
tell at all. Visions? Oh,
that was like that anime thing they did.
Oh yeah, I never watched it. That was kind of
like the crossover one. Some of those were
cool. Yeah, some of them were cool. I think maybe
B tier. Some of them were pretty cool.
It wasn't like anything
game changing, but it was
cool. What's the next one?
I'm trying to read that.
That's
Empire. Sorry,
Last Jedi or Empire Strikes
Back, one of the two.
S tier? It's Empire.
Oh, Empire Strikes Back.
That's S tier.
Phantom Menace.
I won't lie.
It has Darth Maul in it. Phantom Menace,
I have...
What are the rest of the movies that
isn't the 10 minutes with Darth Maul?
You know,
this comes from the guy who's
Jar Jar Binks biggest fan, and Jar Jar Binks is
the biggest character in this movie.
It's
a D tier movie, but the last 10
minutes make it C tier, just because
Darth Maul. You're so same.
Where's the
holiday special?
Also boss,
there's
cool scenes in it, like the Gungan's
place is really cool. How many of New
Hopes are there? Am I looking at the new...
I don't know what that thing is.
Is that like Luke pointing a gun?
The next one is Phantom Menace.
I think it's C.
It's C because Darth Maul is so cool.
I have...
I'm sure we've all watched, like for us,
the Phantom Menace was probably one of the first ones we watched
just because when we were kids.
I mean,
I watched the original trilogy first.
I'm a young fella, Andy. I'm 20...
Colin and I are 20 years old, alright?
Just how it is.
I've watched the Phantom Menace
on VHS
quite a few times when I was like,
growing up. I was like, this thing was like, oh, it's so cool.
Obviously, watching it again
as an adult, you're like,
man, this drama play is amateur.
It's so bad.
And there's some Jem moments in it, though,
but it's just, Phantom Menace has...
It's all the heart, but none of the sustenance.
I think Jem, I think it deserves C still.
Shut up to Padme grooming a child.
For real, bro.
I mean, she was, what, 14 or something in that?
I don't know.
It's still weird, but yeah.
It's just, again...
Star Wars and Clone Wars, we messed up.
We messed up.
What do we fuck up?
What do you mean we fucked up?
Ominous. Ominous.
Oh, wait, it's one of the top ones, isn't it?
No.
Holiday Special.
Wait, where's the Holiday Special?
There isn't a Holiday Special, though.
I've never seen it.
The Holiday Special, by the way.
We can keep it up there.
We got $5 from Stephen Cooper, thank you.
Jedi Academy, not here.
Haram, Soldier, beats here.
You're the $5.
Eli, says Crimson Glory.
That is my name, Crimson Glory.
I'm glad we've established that.
I think you should have said Eli, it's about tight.
Put Clone Wars in...
Clone Wars in A.
Clone Wars is S tier, come on.
There's...
I don't know, there was actually...
Hang on, hang on, though.
Oh, no, the animated movie is farther down the list.
Never mind.
You know what?
I'm going to put The Clone Wars right next to its counterpart, Clone Wars, in S tier.
I hope you're not talking about...
Because, generally, Clone Wars, the animated one, has been carrying Star Wars for the last 10 years.
It had some...
15 years even.
It had some not great stuff, though.
It's had some damn good stuff, though, isn't it?
It had some absolute...
That's why it's eight here.
It's not affected by what, you know, like cameras or humans.
It literally could just do what it needs to do.
And I won't lie, I wished for it when we were young.
Like, even...
Like, if we were just a little bit younger,
and growing up for us,
if our current Star Wars media was The Clone Wars,
it would have been going...
Can we address Tom Warren's $2 donation?
Thank you, Tom.
Can somebody tell me where this is from?
Is this from a holiday special?
I think he made that... Oh, no, that might...
Chewie's dad watching VR smart deserves this.
What is this from?
Colin's currently looking up Chewie's dad watching VR smart.
His name was Attachitcuck.
What?
I feel...
I don't feel good for having said that name.
Attachitcuck.
Oh, my gosh.
Holiday special. Why did that even happen?
Appearances.
Death of Halls. Life-State 1.
Why are you smoking?
Should we have Robot Chicken Star Wars on here?
Exactly.
The Family Guy Star Wars.
The Family Guy Star Wars episodes.
You will not tame.
You will not tame my man.
I'm Chris.
I guess Chewie's dad was a part of it.
Star Wars Battlefront 2 is S tier.
Oh, I love it. I love it.
I'm going to send a mail bomb to the guys who made the new...
in Minecraft, but also in real life.
In Minecraft.
We've not endorsed that on Lord Crimes,
YouTube algorithm, gods.
That one must be one of...
Is that Return of the Jedi?
Yeah, I think that's Return of the Jedi.
No, that's Empire Strikes Back.
Empire Strikes Back.
No, yeah, Return of the Jedi, because he's got the green.
The green lightsaber is S tier for me. That was the coolest thing.
It's not the top of S tier.
I didn't say top of S tier.
Wait, Andy says wait.
Wait, wait, we need to clarify which way it is.
The seer is writing.
Ewoks.
You're right.
He gets A tier for the Ewoks.
The Ewoks is truly like...
The Ewoks' creature.
Again, George.
Andy, get fucking Return of the Jedi out of S tier.
Get it off the top of S tier.
What are you doing?
You are insane.
Andy just doesn't...
Andy's an Ewoks lover, isn't he?
Yep, he's an Ewoks lover.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
Oh, no, no, we got them wrong.
The next one here is A New Hope.
Yeah.
Yeah, because we put the holiday special on.
A New Hope is...
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
What do you mean?
It's pretty awesome.
It started the whole journey.
It is the beginning, yeah.
Andy's not happy with you.
If that's the logic we're going by, A New Hope also led to episode 8.
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever.
I mean...
I would want...
If I was going to watch any of the Star Wars films again,
I would probably watch A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.
Like if I said right now, I want to go watch the Star Wars film,
I'd watch those two.
I'd watch that in that order, though.
Just because like...
Return of the Jedi, I don't mind missing out for a little bit.
But those two, I feel like they could be one film.
DGP says Andy's a poor collector, that's very funny.
Next one though is...
The sort of thing from the first movie.
Next one is I Hate Sand, it's coarse and rough and it gets nowhere.
It's better than Phantom Menace.
The clone scenes are pretty cool.
Genos is really cool.
The last 15 minutes of both of those movies are cool, I know.
I know.
Okay, okay, Jango Fett, Jango Fett and Boba Fett are in it, they're really cool.
The Count Dookie is fine.
It has a lot...
It looks way less goofy and it has a lot cooler things in it.
And then Count Dooku and Yoda...
Oh my gosh, Andy.
It's better than Phantom Menace, come on.
It is, I agree, it's worse.
It is worse.
Corrin DeGlory says,
Fortunate Sons plays as I fight through the Inforcest of Storms.
You guys like the Jar Jar Binks movie more than episode 2, that's crazy.
Jar Jar Binks is in Basidun, attacking the clones.
Attacking the clones.
Next one though, this is Swotor.
The online game.
I won't lie, I've had a playthrough of this when it came out.
The story mode missions are...
The voice lines, some of these are so hilarious.
If you look up, like, everyone looks up Swotor smuggler lines, it's actually so damn funny.
It's like quite...
The gameplay is nothing to get crazy about, but honestly,
it was an enjoyable game.
I think it's pretty safe where it is, B-tier.
The cutscenes, the frickin' trailers get...
The trailers themselves are the rest of it.
Oh, the trailers are like...
The trailers are actually better Star Wars than current Star Wars.
199, thank you for Parker, Summery.
I see my problem with Swotor is that every time I think of it, I think of my friend who is an insane man.
And spies...
The MMO disease.
I don't know if he still does this, but at least until a lot more recently than he should have,
if you're watching this, by the way, I am talking about this, fuck you.
He would buy all of a new item, and then the price would go up in the in-game stock market,
and he would have all of it.
Because he had an account since it launched.
That's so funny.
Parker is asking, where is Ahsoka?
Thank you for the two dollars.
I guess it's not on here.
I didn't watch Ahsoka, I heard it was mid as well.
But I don't know.
The problem with Ahsoka is it was just like, we were all being edged, being like, oh, it's going to be good at any moment now.
Like it was building, building, building, building, building, and then it like, it is no payoff.
It's like, ah, so annoyed at Star Wars.
Oh, this is the Battlefront, is Battlefront 2 remake?
Yeah, the first one, the first one gets dogged here, bro.
They fumbled it so bad.
I remember the release being just horrible.
It looked pretty cool, but again, like they had like probably loot boxes and...
Yeah, it was...
All they had to do was make Star Wars Battlefront 2 with pretty graphics, and instead they just made loot box game, Call of Duty Star Wars.
Now the original Star Wars Battlefront, this one was...
I had this on the original Xbox when this came out.
This was, again, childhood.
This was, this started the journey.
That goes to Battlefront 2. Battlefront 2 is ahead of it for me personally, because I played more Battlefront 2.
Yeah, I put it in A tier to be fair, this one.
I put it in A tier.
It's better than... Yeah, that's about right.
It's fine, I guess.
It had a glow up at the end of its life.
Unfortunately, EA then killed it and its opening was, yes, play 50 hours for only Darth Vader.
It's a sense of pride and accomplishment, you insane, greedy bastards.
Next one is Revenge. This is the best of the prequel trilogy, I think, Revenge of the Sith.
It's at least A tier. It's at least A tier.
I think Bossamade, though.
I really like this movie.
Because it's got glaring issues.
It's got a few issues, yeah, but it's got a nice story overall.
General Grievous is in it, which is awesome.
Cool stuff.
Even if they dog on him, even if they dog on him, he's in it.
I would, I would just, I would, if I had to watch the prequel itself, I would just ignore the first two and go watch this one again.
I would put it in Bossamade just because it, again, fight scenes are damn cool in this one.
The Jedi get it.
Andy, Andy, Andy doesn't like it. Andy doesn't like it.
I think...
It's not about Andy. It's about everyone.
Clearly it is about Andy. No, Andy, you stick to your guns on this one.
Hey, hey!
It's a good movie.
Disrespect.
No.
There we go, let's go.
There you go, TK778 is Revenge of the Sith is A tier.
Star Wars The Clone Wars the movie...
Oh my god, I got this for my birthday on DVD, man.
It sucks.
I don't know how The Clone Wars got greenlit after that.
This thing, this thing, this thing fucking dragged its life as corpse without The Clone Wars animated show could run.
It's better than episode 9.
Yeah, put it above dog shit.
It's actually better than Boba Fett.
No, keep it in dog shit, but put it above episode 9 and there we go.
Okay, that one, episode 7?
Alright, episode 7 I think is D tier because it's just A New Hope again, but it's fine.
I wanted to see this in the cinema and I was like, I remember thinking, okay, this Star Wars could be okay, this could be good.
And then they kept...
I remember leaving the movie theater with my buddies and being like, was that good?
I remember thinking that.
I was like, I didn't feel anything. I just felt empty after watching it. It was just soulless.
Shout out to Harrison Ford only agreeing to do the movie so they'd finally kill them all.
I don't want to have any more questions about Star Wars.
Battlefront 2 is better than the first one.
That's actually pretty good game. That's actually a really good game.
Yeah, I agree.
It started horribly.
Top of A I'd almost put. I'd actually put top of A.
I'd put it in there. I had a lot of fun playing Battlefront 2.
I've enjoyed that little life play of it.
If they kept giving it a bit of life now, that would be great.
I'll say those missions where you had to destroy the enemy Star Destroyer, like you were on the ground until you retreated or advanced to the enemy ship.
And then one side was holding the line from the generators and another was trying to push those.
Those were fucking fun.
We can play that on stream sometime.
Does it still work?
Yeah, Battlefront 2, it's the most recent one, I assume so.
I think it's still, I mean, if they made it free to play, that would have an active player base to this day.
Mandalorian?
This is difficult now.
It started phenomenally.
First episode was awesome.
Amen, that's all I've seen.
It's gone a bit funky, I won't lie.
It's one of those things where it's like certain shows, you can tell they need to...
I wanted to finish so it can stay good.
Freak off, Colin, I just saw the Doge meme.
Oh my gosh.
RIP Doge.
Yeah, just today there was.
And he says the damage BF2 did is not negotiable.
I mean, I don't think it's that bad, man.
It was fun from what I played, so...
As a version of a movie tie-in game, it's way better than what most things are.
But...
What was the last one we did?
Star Wars Battle.
Oh, Mandalorian, sorry.
I feel like it's worse than V-Z, right?
It's the bottom of A.
I'm holding out hope it can finish strong.
Because right now it's not bad, it's just a bit average at the moment, the ending bit now.
Grogu became a new thing for moms to post on Facebook.
The fucking Luke Skywalker, I mean, maybe a bit of a weird CGI, but the Luke Skywalker return,
and he's actually not ruined as a character,
is still, I would still... that's like God Tier, that small section anyway.
I think with that being said, I think we're happy with that, are we always?
That was not too much arguing for once.
I mean, I think we all pretty much like Star Wars quite a lot.
Yeah.
We all liked Star Wars quite a lot, I'm sure, at one point though.
I think many people who have come to 40K, or like fantasy or stuff like that,
they were probably originally like massive Star Wars fans,
and then now, you know, we're inevitable, like Thanos, you know,
what started you led you back to me, I am inevitable.
Did you see, it says Mike GF at the time from Mando.
Hated Grogu.
Glad she's behind you, brother.
I think I would kick Grogu in the rib.
Would you, Colin, throw Grogu as hard as you can and get that spiral going?
You know that scene in the first Avengers movie where Hulk is just like kind of whipping Loki around?
I think I would do that to Grogu.
He's like 100 years old, right? You can say that.
He's a baby.
He's like a 100 year old baby, isn't he?
It's a little baby.
Yeah, okay.
100 year old baby.
Yeah, you're right. I would omniman him.
Think Grogu, think.
Well, with that being said though, I think everyone, thank you so much for joining us for the Hated Characters tier list
and the Star Wars Vitriol slash Nostalgia tier list.
God, I wish Star Wars hadn't fumbled the bag.
It's Disney.
Can you really expect...
That's a sick bed, Colin. Thank you, Shane, bro.
Appreciate you, brother.
Level one clothes is in an MMO fighting game.
That's funny.
People might say he's 50 years old.
Yeah, correction.
We'll be hopefully back with new streaming software so Andy doesn't get ruined out by...
We got a donation for you.
Oh, thank you, brother.
If you do a most evil factions, can I suggest tier names be Eberus, I think you meant Erebus there.
Thank you. Pure evil.
I apparently can't see evil, so I'm right there with you, champ.
Necessary evil, Dick, petty villain, criminal, hero of another story, and just hero.
We might do a most loved for Warhammer characters as well.
Ryrus, Pepe, the feet tier list will come when the epic rap battle tier list comes. We'll do it on the same day, bro.
Bro, is there a feet tier list in every rap battle's tier list?
My God.
Because grandkids will watch this in the future, brother, and they'll be like, did you redo a feet tier list?
Yes, I did. Yes, I did, grandson. Yes, I did.
Colin is actually standing up on his chair right now.
Fuck you.
Little default.
Leave my man alone.
Do you guys, I heard this one the other day, do you hate it when someone, because obviously you guys are not the tallest, but when someone calls you king, does that annoy you?
Sometimes.
Because they know it's, they use it because they're trying to say short king.
My brother's the worst of it because he's like six foot one.
Wish I got some of that.
It's a lot worse when somebody calls you buddy.
That's a lot worse.
DJB's Colin is not 4'11".
He also says you got Boblish but LePonge.
You are right, Boblish, LePonge.
So I do owe you, I do owe something, although I did, I got a Spongebob's reward for something else.
Colin, give me a hello, says Colin is Hogswoggle from Donkey Donkey.
What the fuck is Hogswoggle?
Colin's a pocket prince.
Oh my gosh.
He's my cute little boy.
Fat Ghost Production says I just noticed Colin is hiding his Tecna's body pillow behind his cover.
Yes he is.
Can we have the stream?
That's pretty by medieval standards.
Oh, pretty cool, I see.
Leave, damn.
Because people pay to insult you about your height.
It's just ridiculous.
There are better things to do than this.
Oh my god.
With that being said, thank you all for joining for the tier list.
We'll be back with Andy's voice next week.
We appreciate you all, thank you so much for the donations everyone gave.
And we'll see you guys all soon.
Appreciate you.
Catch you on the next episode.
Love you brothers.
See you next week for Fortnite.
Oh, Crimson Glory thing for the two of us.
Buddy is my preferred term of endearment.
I call other people buddy too, but when it's like taller, like someone who's taller than me and they call me buddy, it's like, I could kill you.
How about that?
Have you ever, dare I say, has anyone ever done the horrific thing?
Have you ever like rested their arm on top of your head?
You're not taller than me.
Colin, have they?
Sorry, my wife is saying I call them that.
Eli, has someone ever rested their arm on top of your head?
Oh, my tall friends have done that.
They might, what my friend would, my friend who's like six foot four, whenever we took pictures in the gym, he would hold the camera up all the way up here and then take a picture of me so it looked like I was two feet tall.
Oh, this decent height, man.
Yeah.
Wow.
Thank you for the $5.
Oh, what the heck, Eli, bro, which is how it is.
DJ B's wife is five seven.
My wife is five foot three point eleven and I stand by, she thinks she's five four, but I'm this much taller than her.
Mine's five seven.
Sure.
Those corn tenacities wake up when people call them buddy.
Malot, mammoth?
Malot, is that like the bird?
It's an abominable drink, I was muted.
Eli's wife is a six foot ten.
Yeah, Andy, where we still going?
Andy hit the end button.
Thank you.