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It lives! Praise the Omnissiah! Yay! Hi everyone! We've also got a donation card base. I'm

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stuck watching in there. Yes it is. Thank you. We live! We lubricated the machines for a

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stream bro. It's come up! Yay! We are alive! Hello everyone! Hello everyone! We've got

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a tier list stream today. We've got a special guest. Andy! Andy got a closed stream bro

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here and everything we said five seconds ago. What? It's echoing really bad. Oh wait a minute.

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Oh I had the stream open. I'm sorry. It's me. I don't have the stream open. What are you

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talking about? I'm trolling. We have a wonderful guest everyone. It's Sandman of Terror. Hello

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Ed! Thanks for joining us again. Thanks for having me. Apparently I broke everything last

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time just by my presence. So very grateful to the Omnissiah not to do that again. I like

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to think of it as a god refusing to allow me to escape the horrors heresy. Colin was so

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looking forward not to having to read more about space marines. We're this close to greatness.

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This close. We do have another tier list at the end but today is a special occasion because

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we're going to torture Colin and a little bit of Eli with a third single. We're rating

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every single horrors heresy book possibly even Siege of Terror as well. There is a special

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category called Hail Boingob. Ed do you know what Boingob is? I don't know if we mentioned

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that. I don't know what that is. Colin can you please explain the story? He is the father

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of squigs in Age of Sigmar and he died when he tried to eat the sun. That's Boingob. He

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got rotisserie chicken. Why are we not talking about that? We're big fans. Honestly the first

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time we heard about lore we all wept like openly because it was so funny. We were very

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happy to know about this. This is a little bit more serious. Colin feast your eyes on

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this. I see. This is what you have to read. I did actually bring questions because I know

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that I can provide quite literally nothing else otherwise. I can bring them at the end

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or the beginning. We should have called his opinion first. I should have said that. That's

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infinitely more clever than what I said. I felt like I needed to bring literally anything

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to the table. Some general questions about the series for people who are me. We'll probably

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get straight into it though. We'll start from the beginning. Before we start as well just

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chat in general. If any of us sound a bit quiet or a bit too loud please let us know

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because there's a lot of us in the stream. We also got a little donation from Dante.

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Bless you Dante. Thank you. From a currency that I don't remember where it's from. Clip.

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2500 clp. Thank you. There's more currency than sterling pound and that's already messed

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with my brain. That offends Hal at a level. Horus Rising. It's the first one. I think

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that's pretty high. I love Horus Rising. I was there the day Horus slew the Emperor bro.

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It's the best opening to any book ever. I was there the day Horus shat himself. It's

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the best joke we've ever heard. It's the best joke we've ever heard. People are listening

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a briefing but Horus Rising is essentially just the straight up introduction of Horus

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Lu-Pakal. Loads of love characters like Garvia Loken. Unfortunately Erebus is in it. Erebus

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is just like a brief summary of the kind of what happens in the book. People are listening

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like I have no idea why they rate that book so high. The initial part where the great

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joke where Garvia Loken is the day Horus re-embr- oh sorry Donkeyman USA's a donation. A great

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elbow to the face for Elysius as well. It wasn't a fair fight. But also I think one

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of my favourite things about Horus Rising is that it's your introduction to the heresy

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in terms of like this is where we're going to get a bit more serious guys. We've had

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enough Jokey 40k for the last 10 years. This is serious. Anyway so the planet's called

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murder and we're wearing these mecha arachnids and you're like okay cool super serious Dan.

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I like it. It has got a real designation but that's just what they call it. It literally

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is Star Troopers isn't it? Yeah kind of is. In the middle of the book. They literally

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kind of go way too close to it and I wondered if Dan and Avnett went yeah let's do it go

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on. Whatever. How did you read out Donkeyman's donation? Oh I didn't get to it. He says Horus

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Rising was good but it was a weird choice to start it with Loken saying how he was the

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day Horus shattered himself. I don't want to hear this anymore. It's not true. All lies.

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Horus can't even fit into like the portal loop. So you miss the sheep it's built in

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the armor. It's his food. Practical another donation five bucks thank you brother. He

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says much love from Virginia. Hope you all have a good day and evening keep up the great

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work thank you brother. Another one by RB20 going I guess Ruby in a way. Soul drinkers

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for the best Lois chapter. They're not in the Horus Heresy. They're so cool though oh

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my gosh. Yeah how the heck did they get two omnibuses? That's crazy. Awesome. I've only

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read like three chapters of the first book because I have to get through the Necron stuff

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first but they're really cool and they're purple. They are very purple. It's just weird

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to see like an obscure successor chapter get more than a short. To be fair in their defense

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they are second founding chapter. They are the forgotten second founding chapter of the

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Imperial Fists. Black Templars have their own freaking army. Soul drinkers can get some

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blood. And they got a spider man but more a literal spider man. All the Illuminor Ceres

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plus Space Marine chapter master conversions that people made back in the day. Black Templars

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get a whole army and release and Yunari can't even get a plot movie. Neither can any of

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the Chaos Warbands to be fair. Horus Rising does have a cool part where some of the, what's

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it, Torgaddon who's one of the sons of Horus who's a very beloved character. Have you heard

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the one about the bear? Yeah he's quite a jokester. I miss him. He goes straight on

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to the Emperor's children, sort of Eidolon who's a cuck and he just tells him you are

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useless, I hate you, your breath smells, you're mum and this leaves it in that. And your mother

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smells of elderberries. There's also the events, there's something people have maybe kind of

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heard of but don't know, it was like in this book it's the Interrex which is like, oh this

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is like Human Society book, kind of cool, they integrate with aliens and stuff and they

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have bows. They just straight up have bows and they use bows. They're playing too much

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destiny. And the like Abaddon and Loki and all the other stars go that's a bit cringe

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isn't it, but then they get hit by one of those and they go like oh okay I see how it

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is. Oh I died. I also want to mention the first comment after going live was a Colin

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about his bed comment. Yeah Colin has in fact made his bed. Yeah but it was apparently made

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very poorly lol that was a quick fix says Cree Guardsman. We can't talk about my bed

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for one episode. The bed's visible. This book is really enjoyable though for anyone who

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kind of gets into Warhammer and you don't really read books, this is like the best one

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to get started on. Great book. Honestly I put it so much higher up the rankings of where

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to start reading Warhammer 40k than I think most people. I think the most intimidating

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thing about it is the fact that it's part of a 64 book series but Gawnt's Ghost and

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Kyphus Kane are also not short so it comes and goes and it's where I started and I now

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do this so I can't not recommend it as a first novel. It wasn't where I started but it wasn't

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far off. Yeah me too. I think I started with Fulgrim I think that was my first really my

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first book that I read because I remember trying to read Fall of the Dandos. You read

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the first three there's no like piss and shit in this one so I think I read the first three.

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I've got to be honest when I started getting into this series and I've read them all now

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I say read I listen to them I basically waited for them to go on two for one and three pound

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sales on Audible and I remember I like Prospero Burns was one of the first ones I listened

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to but it was fine because it's kind of like a separate thing and Descent of Angels so

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I kind of went like Horus, Galaxy in Flames, Descent of Angels, Prospero. I did the first

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three and then I ping-ponged around a bit until I got enough to go through. I honestly

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Kinetic he says I was there the day Horus dropped that problematic tweet. Oh incoming

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back up with um 16. Thank you for the shekels. Six twiglies I don't know what the- I'm pretty

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sure they're actually shekels I looked it up. Do you want to read that one now, Eli? My

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favorite moment from the Horus heresy was when the Emperor turned to his least favorite

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son Boingob and told him you really are the Warhammer Aegis Sigmar and then he sent a

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horse to rotisserie chicken him man. That was quite the sentence I tell that sentence to

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a freaking 12th century child. I mean surely there's a good tasting squig out there for

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there's like a thousand different squigs. It's the chicken squig. There's not enough

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squig in 40k. For real. There's just not enough squig in 40k. The second book here is False

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Gods. This is the corruption of Horus essentially. It's this I mean there's a whole lot of Erebus

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unfortunately in this one. This is one where we see they basically turn up well very very

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quick synopsis. The Lunar Wars are now the sons of Horus. Sons of Horus are a little

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bit like we're kind of a bit we're a bit more aggressive than usual. Horus is a bit melancholic

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because he basically was like I'm the Warmaster now I'm gonna be like the peaceful example

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for the Imperium and his first few attempts he cocked it up bad or other people will help

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cock it up. So now he's just basically gone I'm having a stroppy sort of mode. I'm having

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a hystic. I'm having a tantrum. Horus gets betrayed by a man named Eugentemba who's like

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a mortal man who's now corrupted by Nergal and then Horus gets stabbed by the like special

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blade or the anathane blade. So it's very quick obviously. Horus gets corrupted by basically

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they show him what 40k is and he goes like that's disgusting. I hate 40k. And then he

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goes but it's a complaint about this novel where he basically goes I won't be manipulated

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by anyone. I'll make my own choice. I'm gonna choose that guy's side. And essentially Horus

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emerges miraculously safe from his mortal wound. I think this book is A tier simply

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for the fact that I think there's a few holes in it. Yeah. But there's some great scenes.

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It is the first sorry. Oh you go ahead. I was gonna say it's the first of something

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I'm gonna bring up probably multiple times today where the writers write a thing about

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Primarchs and then they go oh no we can't have the Primarchs ever getting tricked so

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we're gonna have to like change that afterwards. And this happens in one novel. So Horus like

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Erebus sneaks in and the way Erebus tries to trick Horus is he takes the form of Sejanus

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who was one of the Mournival who previously died if Horus loved very dearly. Horus sees

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Erebus and then quickly like sees through him and he quickly like sees through everything

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that's going on but he still falls to chaos. And the reason this book doesn't work quite

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so well for me is I feel like they should have picked the way Horus was going to fall

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and stuck to it. Either he gets tricked or he's an egomaniac or maniac and they don't

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really pick a lane and so it doesn't quite work I find. He just kind of like sees a bunch

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of statues where all the loyalist Primarchs get statues in this vision and he's like why

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haven't I got a statue and that's genuinely the part of the book his mind seems to turn

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and you're like this is just weird. Yeah and there's a bit in the later books where it's

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explained like oh there's like a piece of him that's still noble and stuff and he's

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in the warp fighting for his life and actually he was possessed all this time and so what's

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going on with Horus's intentions? I'm not sure. They want to experiment with too many

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ideas. There's a few cool scenes which Colin might enjoy as Imperial hater which is when

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Horus gets wounded like all the sons of Horus and members of like you know the Space Marine

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they're like oh they're like the noble warriors who are like just you know fighting a little

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dirty war on the side it's not that bad. When they carry Horus's wounded body back to their

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ship to the Amothicarean. They're like cutting through civilians aren't they? Yeah they literally

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all the people start like crying going oh my god it's Horus and they go move and they're

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literally like stampede. I think they described it as like an actual like mulching of people.

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We've all been on the tube and had that thought. On the trains. Oh man no they and then they

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kind of are is when like humans first realize like oh this is what it feels like to be on

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here is that cool my favorite scene is when they do like carry his body down to like the

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temple on um not it's not as fun. It's like that I mean they're carrying his body on like

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a sort of funeral pyre thing and all of like even the Astartes are like weeping and then

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people start praying and then people go like oh no people are praying we're not supposed

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to pray at this time you know what I mean this is the anti-prayer ship um it's quite

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well written that part. Again lots of cool things happen in the book but it's just overall

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like again like they feel like we had an end goal we had to get the character to that end

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goal rather than just see what we can explore. Uh next one Galaxy in Flames, Isvam 3. Can

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I just add one more note to False Gods real quick? Yeah go for it. I know a lot of people

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like make the joke where he's throwing a tantrum it's like you know I feel like being tricked

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into a little bit of genocide is a valid reason to be unhappy with your lot in life at that

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moment. It might affect your credit score. I don't blame him for being a little bit

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upset. We also got some mentions in chat about the poop knife which is an OG Fabius Bile

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video. Yeah I've given it a pin for rarest Pepe for bringing it up. That's a deep cut

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that's a law crimes deep cut. Um yeah Galaxy in Flames, Isvam makes me cry every day. I

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miss you Saul. Does anyone else want to explain this one briefly? It's one of the best Isvams

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I think. I can hear Donald Trump of all the Isvams. It's the greatest of something. Andy

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likes Flight of Eisenstein I think I'll save Andy for that. I could do a brief rundown

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on this one which is basically Isvam 3. Yeah. So characters that we've kind of. Isvam 3

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part one. Yeah. Yeah. We kind of followed like the point of view of like a lot of the

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characters established in the first two books who were like they're minor characters who

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will then not make it further in the heresy. You had like Saul Tarvitz Colin? Yeah. Possibly

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yeah he was the leader of the loyalist son Isvam. Yeah this is. I know the outline if

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you ask me like a very basic horror scene. I'm not ignorant I know what happens. No no

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no. If you ask me for anything resembling. I was using it as a springboard. Fair enough.

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Who is this horse guy? If you ask me for anything resembling a scrap of dialogue I'm you know

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off Schitt's Creek without a panel. We have a donation from Damien P. Shout out to Damien

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Luck. Thank you Damien. Finally catching a stream and thanks for getting me through a

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double shift. Also any book where Jagged icon is S+. We'll get to the guy. Hope you're surviving

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your shift. Sounds like a long day. We'll get to Jagged Icon. We'll get to a book where

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we go yeah oh yeah Jagged Icon's in this. It's amazing. It's a point gob tier. It's

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a I mean there's I do think for this particular book again I put it in A just because I know

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that some other books I felt much stronger. Above or below false gods do you reckon? It's

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not one of those books I'm like oh shit and actually I would I would say compared to the

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next novel which is part two of Istvan 3 I would say it's the worst of the two. There's

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some cool scenes in it. They mean they kind of start to show like particularly the Emperor's

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children there's some of them are starting to show corruption in terms of like Eidolon

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who's got this voice box thing surgically put into his throat so he can scream at people

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aggressively loud. That is awesome. Stor Tarvis goes that's a little funky what where's that

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from site and he goes don't mind your mind your business get off my back. Again the dialogue

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on this one is not like I don't think back to this book and I go like oh there's like

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a really cool scene but the overall tone in the book is done well because you feel like

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pretty much like oh my god like all my favorite characters are in danger. And you mentioned

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Torgadon earlier so I mean him dying I mean that's argument for D tier isn't it really

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I think. Not only do they kill Torgadon but then as we'll see torture him for the next

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20 years. Tarik Torgadon is a Sons of Horrors character and he's the only person who has

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a sense of humor as an Astartes. He's the only one who makes jokes and he's so likeable

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and second company captain as well so he's like quite high up in the ranks. Yeah he's

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a mornable he's tall isn't he he's really tall and then he's really sad when he goes

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like he gets killed by his best mate. Little Horus. Garvey. You're feeling a bit glum.

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I'm a lovely chap but I do kill people ha ha ha. I'm Tarik I have a moustache. Big

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moustache. It's him and Loken fighting Abaddon and uh Horus right? Little Horus. Yeah. It

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was funny I read the book first and then when I reread when I listened to the audiobook

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and he does that Andy you do fantastic voice there like that voice I was like oh that's

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so perfect. Would you like to hear my Horus looping television from the first book? This

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is how I sound when I'm the warmaster of chaos. Yeah. The absolute worst voice I think is

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actually Mephiston. I listened to um Darks in the Blood I remember. I think it was that

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one where that Mephiston is very much like I am Mephiston the chief librarian of the

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blood angels. Sounds like Merlin in the Frenzy. Makes sense. Exactly. I love um I love John

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Banks's um and again when uh when I asked Hal to do the voice for Mephiston on my video

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on my channel I was like I like the John Banks version so like that's kind of what and then

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you were like hello I'm Mephiston. I have escaped the curse. That's the one. Very dark

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and we love it. Uh next book is the flight of the Eisenstein. S. Which as a name for

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a book. Goes hard. Very cool. Does anyone else want to explain this book? Right quick

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because it's fine enough I've only read this I just want like one the first one I've read

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I can only like half remember it just because it was so long ago. Uh. This this is the other

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half of Istvan 3. Yeah. So this gives you this is where we get the last stand of Sultavets

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they really realize terrace apart. I like uh I totally thought he was going to come

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back he he does not he dies in this novel. It's very sad. Um and you also get like this

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is where you get properly introduced to Nathaniel Garrow who will almost certainly become one

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of your favorite characters. Uh in fact. I'm the first time we introduced Rogal Dawn because

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as he makes it. Yeah. Is he when he escapes he he actually runs into Rogal Dawn and Rogal

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Dawn learns for the very first time that. And Garrow goes hey Dawn did you know that

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Horace is uh trading guys what did you say and he starts shaking him and smacking him

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in the face and then uh is it Mercedes Olatun and he's like no no no no look I have implants

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in my brain look here's him killing remembrances and I'm like oh that triggers me specifically.

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Um. By the way. When my brother commits atrocities it it gets me a little hot under the color

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if you're not I would leave it without shadow of a doubt I would be like absolutely I totally

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believe it. We've got a donation by the way. That's his character. Uh is that I can't read

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the full name dragon master dragon master dragon master something I can't read the second

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part of the name. You're looking master outcast yeah. Thank you. Outcast okay for five years.

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I will say as well if you enjoy. 25% of the Horace heresy is good the rest of it is filler

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garbage or John Grammaticus. I love John. I love John. To be fair we could have had like

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a filler tier that would have been quite good there are a couple of them. This is pure filler.

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Uh I will say as well. This has changed the. Lucius is one of those characters that people

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love to hate and if you love to hate Lucius then this is the book where you're like oh

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he's a total bastard. I could deal with this stuff in Fulgrum but this is worse. Uh. Yep.

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And it just gives them it gives them some uh actual time in the sun as well which is nice

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they don't just have him getting dogged on. He's in a random novel later not I don't know

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if you've read that one but I'll explain because he has no reason he has no business being in

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that novel. In uh in the uh Istvan stuff Lucius like 1v10s pretty much and just like obliterates

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all the loyalists so it was a nice moment. So what's funny at this point then technically

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Trazan the Infinite is just around here like hokerballing people but it's never seen. Like

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he's technically there and he takes a few examples. Also notice people. I just love

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that. He must have been watching that for a while. Have you guys seen Gravity Falls?

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Yes. It's like um Bring Brindon Blandon something like that the time traveler guy if you look

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in the background you see him like picking stuff up and fixing an arm was whatever. Yeah.

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Although again I loved the memes of the end and the death when people were like trying

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to get the third edition there was that meme he was like finally I have them all yeah get

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rid of scalpers. Um yeah. You can just kill them. Murderous skull. The only book. The only

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book with the prime mark has the name. This is not going up here. It's so good dude it's

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so good. I want to explain to you what happens in this book. Make your case. Who's it about?

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I don't know. Why is there one more book named that as well what the hell? That's not the

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book name. It's you know the book Fulgrim. It's about the guy Fulgrim and the guy Fulgrim's

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legion the Emperor's Children and also the Iron Hands are in it quite a lot. Iron Hands

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most of Iron Hands lore is in the book about Emperor's Children so that helps I guess.

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Yeah and they're taking up the entirety of the book cover. Fulgrim is in Iron Hands.

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The first thing I love the covers are really weird for these books but anyways it's uh

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man it's been a while but it starts off on the planet Lair or is it Lair in one of the

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two. And the Emperor's Children are fighting these cool snake looking things. I kind of

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always imagine them similar to Slardar from Dota 2. Sorry for saying that game's name

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in our stream but uh Slardar with like six arms type of thing and the Lair are like these

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super adaptable wacky creatures where there's casts of the species and there's like warrior

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forms and there's like worker forms and they kind of have a lot of genetic engineering

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going on. I might just say the whole book I'm sorry. And as they-

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Xenos lore. Xenos lore. So yeah I gotta get it in there.

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That way we win the Lair and get more lore than the Eldar in the whole series.

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Eldar is in this one. Eldar are in this one. It's tough but anyways. Anyways so our Fulgrim-

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The Eldar is in this one.

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Emperor's Children are fighting really hard. They're fighting a little too hard at some

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points but they eventually get to the end of it. They go into this temple where there's

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a lot of snakes having segs.

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They're also hard fighting.

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spires on the island so it's cool. It's like a coral type environment.

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Coral reef one.

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So they go into this segs dungeon with all the rest of the population doing it and they

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find this wacky sword in the middle of all of it and they think man that would be really

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cool if I took that sword. Nothing bad could ever happen from this. And so Fulgrim takes

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the sword as his own little thing and uh I mean we don't have to talk about the rest

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of the book.

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What is what in 5 happened?

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Okay okay so Fulgrim takes the sword. The sword starts making him crazy because it's

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actually a Slynesh like Keeper's Secrets type of thing in the sword.

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Him and Ferris do some buddy buddy stuff.

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Oh my gosh. And the Legion itself is slowly getting kind of corrupted by Fabius Bile because

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he sees the Lair and he starts modifying his brothers.

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They've got signs of already genetically modifying themselves. It's like that's interesting.

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But mind you before this the Emperor's children were like the purest of the pure freaking

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good boys Legion. Like in my opinion the best Legion the Imperium had. But Fabius Bile eventually

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convinces Fulgrim that you know on the path to perfection we should try new things.

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It doesn't take much does it? So Fulgrim actually like threatens him and he's like how dare you

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try and improve upon the Emperor's design. He's like no I can give people cool speakers

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and he's like oh okay.

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He's also hiding he has like space cancer and he's just like oh well what have I got

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to lose.

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I feel that this book is similar to what I was saying about Horus in False Gods and how

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they take Fulgrim and they make him like two different people. They make him the most like

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dedicated devout guy and then on the other end they just like have him fold to just about

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anything just because a sword told him to which is really annoying. But essentially the Emperor's

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children corruption was not their fault at all and the authors just had to make it happen

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so they I think they did it in a poor way. But it's very like over reading over the time

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it makes a really good like tragedy book where they pursue perfection leads to corruption

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in the end because you know nothing can really be perfect.

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Is this the one where Solomon Demeter dies?

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I think so. If he gets some pale on the statue he's the one who's all like oh you took my

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honor from me that's all I had.

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There's also a lot of Remembrancer storylines in the book because they're you know the legion

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is all about art and music and stuff.

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And what's their name is like I made this mural out of my feces. You're like oh great.

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So essentially as they as they get corrupted I don't remember quite remember how it happens

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but the singer Remembrancer who's like the best singer in the Imperium.

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Bekwin.

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Yeah Bekwinska. She puts on this big I skipped a lot of the book to hurry this up I guess

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but she makes this big performance.

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I just reread this one.

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Oh I remember it's because it's because Bekka and the Remembrancers go to the Lair temple

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and that corrupts them towards Slyneash. So then in that pursuit to perfection you know

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as it gets twisted like the rest of the legion does.

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Bekka puts on this big performance with like noise marine type weapon or sorry instruments

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and it summons demons and everybody kills each other and then that pretty much like

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seals the deal and completely corrupts the legion.

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This is pretty cool I'm gonna be a noise marine.

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So essentially the Emperor's children fell to chaos because Fulgrim picked up a sword

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and they watched a performance and the author should be freaking whatever it's fine. It's

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a really good book though I think those are dumb reasons to fall but the book itself is

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very well written and it makes a really good tragedy book. Also the Eldar are in the book

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because Eldrad comes to warn Fulgrim and Fulgrim starts listening to him. Fulgrim starts really

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well.

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There's three times in this like three or four times in the book where Fulgrim could

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have ended the entire Horace heresy but then the sword says don't do that and then he

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doesn't. So he's starting to listen to Eldrad and believe him but then the sword said no

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he's lying bro and so then he kills the Howling Banshees he beats up an Avatar of Cain with

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his big hands.

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Another Avatar of Cain gets it.

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Yeah and he punches his foot.

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It's very quick as well isn't it? It's like seven seconds. He runs up it.

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But then later in the book just like a chapter later he's in space about to me with Horace

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and he thinks back to what Eldrad was saying and he again he believes him and he gets the

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ship's crew to ready their weapons and he's about he's literally about to kill Horace

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and destroy his flake ship and then Eidolon freaking Eidolon of course it's Eidolon he

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brings in the sword your sword my lord and then he takes a sword and the sword says don't

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blow up Horace that would be a bad idea and then he doesn't blow up Horace and that's

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the end of it.

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And Vespasian the whole time is going oh I remember the good old days.

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And then skipping forwards to Istvan also before this Fulgrim fistfights Ferus and he

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wins so that's freaking legit. Fulgrim bodies everyone.

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Although he it's because yeah Ferus breaks Fireblade and he doesn't expect it to like

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blow up in his hands and it knocks him out like stuns him and then he takes advantage.

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And so after that Istvan V happens the Empress children's are completely fricked like even

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the traitor marines are like who the heck are these guys this is terrible.

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Fulgrim goes to fight Ferus he beats him and then he doesn't want to kill him but then

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the sword pretty much moves his hand for him and he cuts his head off and then Fulgrim's

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just there like regretting everything like what have I done I made the wrong choice I

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should have never done this and then he just gives up and gives into the demons possession

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and it's such a sad story it's probably it's the saddest story that I've ever read in 40k

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personally so.

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The longer that went on the worse the rating I feel like.

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Like it's a BB BB BB.

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I feel like Garo's death was sadder to me.

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Oh Garo.

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Go ahead Ed.

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We're a while off that.

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I do get why you would really like this book like there are some really good scenes the

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orchestra scene where they summon the demonets and the noisemans come out that is really

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well written and the death of Ferus Manus is great and even things like the the painting

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at the end that's such a great point and we'll talk about this more later like the fact that

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they like I thought that was such a great narrative choice and so I get why you would

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really like this novel I totally do I think that Istvan V is one of those things that

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could have been a bit better thought out and I like I just don't get what Ferus was doing.

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I don't get why.

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The book suffers from a major problem which is they probably thought this would be like

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a 10 book series.

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That's true yeah.

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So they tried to do everything and they you can tell that they probably force a lot they

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force a lot.

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They've done way too early.

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But it's also like.

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I feel like this book really pushes the full grim Horus friendship quite hard actually

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and like you realize how close they were because full grim Legion suffering so much from their

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kind of like cancer that they basically suffer from like actually meant that they had to

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kind of work under the sons of Horus for a while and so yeah you get a real close there

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but then full grim Ferus who was supposed to be the big bro ship you're like why are

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you friends like it's tough to see.

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DJ Beast says don't blow up Horus you're so sexy haha that's what this is.

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But I think just the overall theme like the theme and the philosophy of the book is because

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I think it tries to say a little bit more than the average you know Horus heresy chaos

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is bad book and like the pursuit of perfection can really destroy you and completely change

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who you are as a person and lead to a road of damnation very easily.

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It's a very dangerous thing.

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My only problem with the book is it just suffers from you know what I mean it's like the sum

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of all the parts is the problem I have with it not the parts itself.

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The reason I put it in B is because again I'm looking at the rest of the tiers and I'm

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00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,160
setting quite a high bar and I thought full grim was a book is I wouldn't go back and

394
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,520
reread full grim if I was to reread a Horus heresy book like I enjoy parts of it like

395
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,720
you said yeah even if it's about to call in here I wouldn't say to Colin go read that

396
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,840
book like that's the one Horus heresy book that should absolutely be read like I don't

397
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,240
think it's terrible.

398
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:13,600
I think B tier is terrible.

399
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:18,240
No I was gonna say one of the things I really struggle with is something like actually I

400
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,720
think Dan Abnett mentioned in the end of the death epilogue where he was like the book

401
00:34:21,720 --> 00:34:27,520
should stand on its own and it's quite hard to do that with the Horus heresy because of

402
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,680
course with full grim we've already had all this development for a character like Lucius

403
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,520
so his scenes mean so much more in this book but like if you just take full grim on its

404
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,600
own you're like it's a huge time span and so there's so much you go through like even

405
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,480
as you're going through it there you're like it's like oh yeah and then we get is fan five

406
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,040
it's like oh my god we still get is fan five to go and we've gone through so much up until

407
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:53,480
that point so it's just it's kind of it's a as a novel I don't know if I would say I'm

408
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:59,520
no literary critic but like I can just tell you what Warhammer I like.

409
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,840
What tier do you want to put it in there do you think is B, A?

410
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,560
I am a bit conscious as I'm sure you all are I've put too much in S and A so I feel like

411
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,400
it being harsh and putting it in B but I feel like it's a high B.

412
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,200
We're getting close to an Alpha Legion book and I already know what quality I'm going

413
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:15,200
to say.

414
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,560
Can we get an Alpha Legion tier below filler?

415
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:25,920
Well you were saying about like a book should stand on its own as a self-contained story

416
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440
here's Descent of Angels.

417
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:35,480
I mean it does so well in that regard doesn't it doesn't it do so well so I don't think

418
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,840
I'd ever put it in S tier I don't think it's one of the best Archangel's novels but this

419
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:43,000
was like one of the books that made me fall in love with Down as a Faction.

420
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,800
I thought people hated this book.

421
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,800
So much.

422
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,800
I didn't mind it.

423
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,240
People do sorry that's what I'm caveating people do typically dislike this novel I think

424
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:55,920
one of the big things is though is that of course most of it all of it is not set during

425
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:01,360
the Horus Heresy it is the story of the lion on Caliban and defeating the great beasts

426
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,240
so it kind of pulls you out and I don't want to be harsh enough to put it in filler but

427
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:10,000
arguably it kind of goes into that filler category because it's just you could have

428
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,320
if you wanted to tell a Horus Heresy story you could have told a Horus Heresy story.

429
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,360
It's not worthy of an Anthology Filler level.

430
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,000
What makes it worse I think is that Zahariel's storyline it sets up Zahariel as a character

431
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,560
but Zahariel's storyline goes all over the place because he has no consistent writer

432
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:31,600
all of all of his writers after this are different and so it kind of seems a little bit filler

433
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:36,560
having said that I did really enjoy the novel because Caliban is such a great world.

434
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Because the trouble with anything set in 30k is you can't put it outside of the Horus Heresy

435
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,360
series it's not like 40k where you can have like a little we're just going to talk about

436
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,760
these characters in 40k like everything has to be contained in this setting and this is

437
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,400
the only series where you can do 30k stuff other than a short story.

438
00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,560
For me when I listened to this book I really enjoyed how it's set up the Dark Angels and

439
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,560
it was almost like you had this grand five book series and it's like here's everything

440
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,080
going on blah blah and it's like right you guys are excited let's calm down a minute

441
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:15,240
have a bit of a palate cleanser let's talk about something different and I really enjoyed

442
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,000
the world building I enjoyed that.

443
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,600
It's a fancy book isn't it?

444
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,480
It's a fancy book.

445
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:26,200
And I actually really enjoyed this book and it's the only time you get to talk about it.

446
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:32,960
This is actually one of those handy questions I prepared kind of prepared if like I know

447
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:40,120
you're saying Andy and I get it but genuine question if you removed this book just delete

448
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,200
it because most of it takes place before the Horus Heresy is the Horus Heresy actually

449
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,640
harmed that's something about the filler like filler doesn't mean bad a filler the filler

450
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:54,920
can be great some of the Dragon Balls in filler is fantastic but it's still filler it still

451
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:55,920
doesn't mean bad.

452
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,800
You'd have to change some stuff but you'd be fine.

453
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,880
I think the main thing is it sets up so much about the lion and how Caliban turns against

454
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,240
him that if you didn't include this everyone would be like what that was a bit out of nowhere

455
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,280
so I get what you're saying but I think I'm like.

456
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,080
If you removed the Caliban plot line for the lion story throughout the Horus Heresy it

457
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,520
would be exactly the same because he's nowhere near Caliban.

458
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,680
Well the really funny thing about that the end of the Horus Heresy I should say.

459
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,680
Go ahead.

460
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,240
A really funny thing about the Dark Angel storyline for me is that they kind of forgot

461
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:32,960
that they needed to develop Luther I felt right and I know I don't actually know that

462
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,440
maybe it was deliberate but I don't think it was because if you just read the Horus

463
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:42,160
Heresy to clarify you don't actually know why Luther turned on the lion because you

464
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:47,840
don't get a lot of Luther POV throughout the Dark Angels novels you know he finds a very

465
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,880
mysterious book that he shouldn't have found and you know that's he's clearly very enigmatic

466
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,840
and mysterious and doesn't seem very trustworthy but you don't actually see that.

467
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,800
That plot development had to be written afterwards and put into Luther's own.

468
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:03,280
It's a full book.

469
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,120
It's a full book but that covers.

470
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:14,360
Oh the Knights of Luke. It goes and it explains what demons he worked with etc etc but like

471
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,680
they don't actually tell that story in the heresy and that's what's really weird and

472
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,480
it does kind of feel like they forgot to tell it.

473
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:28,560
Do you know I was gonna say earlier as well if I had like fun money I would love to host

474
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:34,360
a competition where we just redesign the Horus Heresy novel covers because they actually

475
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,680
like if you looked at the like Fulgrim or Descent of Angels here you can't really tell

476
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:43,800
what kind of story you're about to get like Descent of Angels you don't really the lion's

477
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,760
kind of not the main character in it you follow a character called Zahariel who just for reference

478
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:54,880
is kind of basically cipher later on although that's a big question but so Zahariel will

479
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,080
have ended up being cipher so that's a big thing but in Descent of Angels you're just

480
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:03,640
following a guy hunting an old hunting gang in a forest.

481
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,400
And it starts off with them killing an emperor but not the emperor it's like you're not a

482
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,800
real emperor you you're just like a pretender.

483
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,760
I mean I liked it just because I really enjoyed that refresh it was like a palate cleanser

484
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,040
but I do I don't want to put it in filler but I how about this we put it at the top

485
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:25,400
of filler I would how about that I would arguably put it in the top of B because again I think

486
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,040
the filler category is like this is that's that's its own thing this is not personally

487
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,800
just we want to look like I'm objective when I evaluate the Dark Angels so I'm fine to put

488
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,800
it in filler.

489
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,800
Okay.

490
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,800
But you can make my hair look like a better person.

491
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:37,800
We're going to make a wrong choice.

492
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,000
Because like I'm with Colin like putting it in filler doesn't actually mean for me that

493
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,600
I didn't enjoy it I really enjoyed that and I would read that again on a lazy Sunday.

494
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:51,200
Filler can be great it's just if you remove it not that much.

495
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,200
Yeah.

496
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,640
The Naruto ship it in.

497
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,640
What's the speak to you?

498
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:01,560
Mechinaruto is a treasure of humanity and should be treated as such.

499
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Okay.

500
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,560
But what's the level is it like one piece filler.

501
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,560
All right.

502
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,200
That's a whole new fucking level right there.

503
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,200
Sorry Andy.

504
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,200
Andy go ahead.

505
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,640
I was gonna say we've done six.

506
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,520
We've got to move.

507
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,800
But I want to preface this one with like I feel like Colin's been a bit quiet for a while

508
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,360
so I'd like to offer an olive branch to Colin be like Colin would you like to tell us what

509
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,520
you think about this Alpha Legion book.

510
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:30,520
No problem.

511
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,520
There's no way you've read this book.

512
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,400
No there's not but I don't need to read it's an Alpha Legion book it's gonna start and

513
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:40,160
end with everything you just read as a lie and therefore it goes in fucking trash garbage

514
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,160
rain gear.

515
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:42,160
This is actually a good book.

516
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,160
It's so good.

517
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,360
After what you did to Fulgrim I need this book to go on boing gobs here.

518
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,920
I don't I can't I can't do it.

519
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,600
This book is I would consider putting it in Hale Boing Gobs just because it's the only

520
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,600
book.

521
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,600
It's so good.

522
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,880
It's the only book that doesn't treat it doesn't treat you like an idiot reading Alpha

523
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,440
Legion.

524
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,840
And John Guamanicus is cool.

525
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,760
Sorry how can we talk about putting Caliban in the filler category and not put the Cabal

526
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,760
in the filler category.

527
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:13,720
Look at this massive massive deal that neatly ties itself up.

528
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:15,280
Like it's so.

529
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,280
The Xenos.

530
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,440
There's still John Guamanicus stays around though so it's part of his story which goes

531
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,280
through the entire horse.

532
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,080
There's an entire Xenos thing.

533
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,560
The Dark Angels stick around.

534
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,080
Okay yeah.

535
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:33,160
But this book is so good though and it has Dorne and Flay.

536
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,840
I just this is the thing about Alpha Legion right.

537
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880
It's the what is the point of this.

538
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:39,880
Thank you.

539
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:44,480
What is the whole.

540
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,960
When they meet the Cabal and they're like oh but we knew about you but you knew about

541
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,400
me but we knew what we knew about you.

542
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,200
I'm just like okay is this how old are we.

543
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,960
It's just at a certain point you need to pick a lane.

544
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,240
Someone has to be on top here and it's just all kind of murky.

545
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:04,400
I think you'll see other Alpha Legion books were better than we probably wouldn't be arguing

546
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,400
about.

547
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,400
What other Alpha Legion books.

548
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,400
But the what they called the.

549
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,400
It's like two.

550
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,840
The I've forgotten their names now.

551
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,400
The like the short story ones or the.

552
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,840
No sorry the soldiers who get killed at the end.

553
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,400
Oh I don't know.

554
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,400
Lucifer Blacks.

555
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,400
They were great.

556
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Loved them.

557
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,400
They were epic.

558
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,720
Really epic scene.

559
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:31,720
And it's like I complain here though which is there's an entire Xenos faction called

560
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,720
the Cabal who are like we're going to manipulate you man.

561
00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:39,160
That plot line was so bad that Eldrad all three and had to come out of the shadow realm

562
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,160
to come in.

563
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,000
You're not a real Xenos.

564
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,840
This is the original GW giving up on the Xenos plot line.

565
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Oh gosh.

566
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,840
I know.

567
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:52,560
I would say the killings of the Cabal is like one of my favorite parts of it.

568
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,000
So that's Horace Rising is better than this book.

569
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,000
I'm sorry.

570
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,000
OK.

571
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,560
Horace Rising I put top of this.

572
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,160
This is so nice to me because it's the only good Alpha Legion book.

573
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,640
Andy I'm not having it.

574
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,720
I'm not having it.

575
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,160
Garrow is amazing.

576
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,160
Next one is.

577
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,280
Him and his bro man's with Saul.

578
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,280
Battle for the Abyss.

579
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,280
Yeah.

580
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,280
Self defense.

581
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,280
Active self defense.

582
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,280
Did you want to just play stealth.

583
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:19,280
I'm really not going to go here.

584
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,280
I'm going to go green.

585
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,280
I'm going to go green.

586
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:22,280
I'm going to go green.

587
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,280
I'm going to go green.

588
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,280
I'm going to go green.

589
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,280
You're going to go green.

590
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,280
Can we bring D back below filler.

591
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,000
Because is it is it bad or is it filler?

592
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,000
OK.

593
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,080
Yeah.

594
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:33,080
So yeah.

595
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,180
This is if you're not familiar with this book, this is the word bearers.

596
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:42,280
We've got a Death Star and it is called the Abyss and the most generic team of space marines

597
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,440
ever created is sent to go and take it out.

598
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,560
Well, yeah.

599
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,240
Again this is from the time where the Horace Heresy was a setting.

600
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:56,320
They had set up and everything, everything up until Fulgurim was to set up.

601
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,240
I think the Horace Heresy and now it's just we'll throw in the old books.

602
00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:01,960
And so this is one of those like random things they threw in at the start.

603
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,000
And yeah, it's just basically 40k.

604
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Man, this thing is trying to hurt you, Andy.

605
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,480
I know.

606
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:11,480
I don't know what it's doing.

607
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:12,480
There we go.

608
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,480
That's better.

609
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:14,480
Yeah.

610
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,440
About the Abyss is such a forget.

611
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,800
I can't remember what happens in this book.

612
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,080
There's a thousand sun and an ultramarine and the guy here.

613
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,000
And like the most spaceful, fee spaceful.

614
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,880
I physically can't remember and I have a fairly good memory.

615
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,960
I can't remember what happens in this book.

616
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,400
No, no relevance really to the story.

617
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,880
If you remove this book, that's fine.

618
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,200
We should an author tier this at some point.

619
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,240
Maybe too mean.

620
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,080
I feel bad because they're real human beings.

621
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,080
Mechanicum.

622
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,080
Oh, so good.

623
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,080
This book is so good.

624
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,080
Quite an enjoyable book.

625
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:51,280
I think it's pretty good.

626
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,280
Yeah.

627
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,760
I would say it's solid A. Yeah.

628
00:45:54,760 --> 00:46:00,360
I think as a Warhammer book, it's a boing go up tier, but I guess as Horace Heresy,

629
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400
I can settle for A too.

630
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,800
And it's definitely one of those books I would recommend people read if you are bouncing

631
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,160
around the Heresy type person because it leads into a pretty big plot point that they kind

632
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,560
of leave open at the end of the novel, which it affects.

633
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,240
Actually, I will say it's on the very first.

634
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,440
This will be fine for 10,000 years.

635
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:27,000
So it's one of the first.

636
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,000
Oddly specific number.

637
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,000
It's very good.

638
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,440
But yeah, you'd actually cut, I think right at the start, they're pretty sure this book,

639
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,520
The Emperor actually comes to Mars and you see that for the first time, which is just

640
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,520
great.

641
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Shout out to Neon.

642
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:42,200
Neon Elefgrave, she says, not Neon, sorry, well good to see you brother.

643
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,200
We see you around.

644
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:49,600
And then there's Krieg Garsman who says, Colin, wave if you need help.

645
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Oh, filler.

646
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:51,960
Next one.

647
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,960
It literally is.

648
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,960
It's just short stories, right?

649
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Yeah.

650
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,960
And look at this stocky Angron.

651
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,960
What is this?

652
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,960
So many weird-

653
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,960
He's a Primarch.

654
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:00,960
They're big.

655
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,960
I know he's a Primarch, but look at him.

656
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:02,960
He looks like a barrel.

657
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:03,960
Do you know what he looks like?

658
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,160
He looks like that recent custodian model, the warm melter.

659
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,400
That looks a little bit squat, if you know what I mean.

660
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,400
Like he's a bit-

661
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,400
He's short.

662
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,400
And he's not.

663
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:15,400
He's not.

664
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,400
He's short.

665
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,400
And he's not.

666
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,880
He looks like if you got him in Photoshop and just went squish.

667
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920
I'm like, what is this gate going on?

668
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Yeah, I know what you mean.

669
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,760
It does look like someone did it deliberately.

670
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,000
Horsehair C cover art is like pre-AI art.

671
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,240
I'm sure I've sent you the guys like the-

672
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:33,240
I think they just called it art.

673
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:37,880
But it looks like a weird version of the AI generated stuff you see now.

674
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,040
Thing is, I've sent you guys in the chat a few months ago, like the concepts where it's

675
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,320
the- they've obviously made it like in a-

676
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,320
3D modeling.

677
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,800
A 3D modeling program.

678
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,720
And you can see like the globule versions of them in the poses.

679
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:59,920
And it's like at the time of the release of these books, faces and stuff like that are

680
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,960
kind of jank.

681
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,840
And it looks a bit strange in modern perception.

682
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,720
What is going on with Age of Darkness here?

683
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:09,720
What is this?

684
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:12,360
The Horsehair started in 2005, right?

685
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:13,360
Yeah.

686
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,280
This is like Doom 3 graphic engine.

687
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:20,520
Yeah, that's still when video games were just getting out of like talking being the-

688
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,960
Battlefront 2 had just been released.

689
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,960
Okay.

690
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,960
It's 2005.

691
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,960
Battlefront 2 is released.

692
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,960
It's 2025.

693
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,960
Wake up.

694
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,960
Battlefront 2 has just been released.

695
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Oh, we'd probably trade Battlefront.

696
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,960
The brain, the inkarn, bro, it's 2005.

697
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,960
Eldar is still cool.

698
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,080
It's 2005.

699
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,040
We don't need day one patches in any video game ever.

700
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,320
Those were the good old days.

701
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,400
Next novel though, D-tier, this one's called Fallen Angels.

702
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,320
This is the most dark angels book.

703
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,160
This book is a waste of time.

704
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,320
This is basically the Lion finds out Horus is betrayed.

705
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,800
The Lion finds out Horus has betrayed the Imperium and then he just goes to this planet

706
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,840
to grab some siege equipment.

707
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,240
They have a terrible crappy battle path.

708
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:10,200
I'm just saying maybe I should take care of it.

709
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,200
I'm just saying.

710
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,200
Just give it to you, that's right.

711
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,520
But yeah, this novel, barely anything happens in it.

712
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:18,200
It's forgettable and the Lion doesn't act like his usual self.

713
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,160
I always said you should have been War Master.

714
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:21,160
I'm just saying.

715
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:26,080
I think if ever there's a vote, if ever there's a vote of no confidence in the guy who's

716
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,360
literally betrayed the...

717
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:33,440
When we kill Horus, I promise, I promise I'll be there.

718
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,440
I agree.

719
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,680
It's the first of the...

720
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,800
There's a couple of dark angels books do this where you have the Caliban side and the

721
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:50,320
Lion side because of course, at the end of Descent of Angels, Luther kind of almost lets

722
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,840
someone nearly almost blow up the Lion.

723
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:57,320
And so the Lion sends Luther and a bunch of other dark angels back to Caliban.

724
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,440
They are there to bring them all recruits.

725
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,400
So you get that side of things a bit more Zahariyot, which is kind of good.

726
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,200
And you get the Knights of Lupus stuff coming back in.

727
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:05,200
But yeah, exactly.

728
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:10,280
To say one thing that makes it worse to your point now is like with the siege engines, they

729
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,160
do get brought up in the siege of terror.

730
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,080
But again, they're not really relevant to anything.

731
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:17,760
It's just like, oh, and they've got those siege engines.

732
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,760
The Lion gave him.

733
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:19,760
It's like, cool.

734
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,240
Thanks for rubbing that in.

735
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,640
It's such a pointless...

736
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,760
It could be filler, but it's actually not like a filler book.

737
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,400
It's not an anthology, but this one is so pointless, this book.

738
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:34,120
I would have honestly deleted this book.

739
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,440
I may have reserved that off a lot further in.

740
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,880
Next one though, A Thousand Sons.

741
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:43,640
Now I have a lot of bias this one because I enjoy a lot of the world building in this,

742
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:49,280
but I recognize this book is probably not top tier, but I enjoyed this book.

743
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,480
This was one of the first ones I read, weirdly enough.

744
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,800
DTF because I hated Magnus' noodle hands.

745
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:56,800
Yeah.

746
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,480
Oh yeah, that's weird.

747
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,240
This is where you get to...

748
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,920
If you want to find out if Magnus did anything wrong, this is your book basically.

749
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,720
And I would say yes.

750
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:12,560
Aaron Fetkeberg agrees with that.

751
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,000
Yeah I would say that's about it.

752
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,840
I wouldn't actively defend it.

753
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,680
He says do a couple of really stupid things in the novel and it kind of irks me, but it's

754
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:22,680
not bad.

755
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,680
Yeah, it kind of reminds me of Fulgrim, in Fulgrim.

756
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,880
The authors just make them do dumb things because they need to do dumb things.

757
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,880
And so Magnus ruins everything even though he's like the smartest guy there is.

758
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,520
I enjoyed The Thousand Sons, the actual like legion part of it so much just because it

759
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:44,200
makes them seem like a futuristic, well-rounded, like elite warrior sort of group.

760
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,560
They have cool psychic power moments too.

761
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:50,480
Yeah, but then it just, again, I don't watch it for the plot.

762
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,280
If you know what I mean.

763
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,840
By the way, we got a donation from Dayacon for $999.

764
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,840
Thank you very much.

765
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:57,840
Thank you.

766
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:03,160
He says, a huge fan of lore crimes, oh I got scrolled, a huge fan of lore crimes and listen

767
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,800
to it for help getting through the work week.

768
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:11,560
The lack of WHFB slash AOS factions beginner to expert is a crime.

769
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:12,560
I agree.

770
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,560
You guys rock.

771
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,120
This man's my lifeline right now.

772
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,960
We have another donation.

773
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:17,960
Yup.

774
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,720
Do you want to take a look?

775
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:23,080
For 6f6 for $5, thank you very much.

776
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:29,360
Fellas, two questions, is Godric and Felix omnibus 5, there's five omnibuses?

777
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,840
Is Godric and Felix omnibus 5 necessary and what should I read after Slayer?

778
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,160
They're all necessary and after Slayer you should cry and then read the-

779
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,160
After Slayer you should start again.

780
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,680
I won't lie, I've read all the Godric AOS stuff.

781
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:45,680
Wow.

782
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,680
Not bad.

783
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,680
It's good.

784
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:48,680
It's okay.

785
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,640
I mean, to be fair, there's some of them that are like, I feel like it suffers from the,

786
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,400
no, but it has a problem with a lot of the other Godric and Felix which is like, some

787
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,480
of them you get like, could skip this one, but I still enjoyed it, you know what I mean?

788
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,680
But if you remove it from the Horus heresy, does it affect you?

789
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Yeah.

790
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,760
To be fair, someone has made an artwork of it, I think it's Khan, like towering over

791
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,880
Godric who's raising an axe, I need to find that artwork.

792
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,440
Oh yeah, I've seen that artwork actually.

793
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,440
That was enjoyable.

794
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:15,440
You don't want to build this Rhino.

795
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,440
Just for people who-

796
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:17,440
Okay, sorry.

797
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,440
Good.

798
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:25,520
I was going to say on A Thousand Sans, the one thing that I always like, hate about this

799
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,920
novel is I can't remember his name, but the space wolf who becomes friends with Araman.

800
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,640
So this is the book where you start to hate space wolves.

801
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,160
Oh, I know his name, Ophi had a weird make.

802
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:35,160
He makes the weird.

803
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,160
Weird boy, right?

804
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,600
So this weird boy, this is the part where you start to see how stupid the space wolves

805
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,680
are because they clearly use magic, the warp magic, but they don't refer to it as warp

806
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:51,520
magic because it is the energy of Fenris or something like that, right?

807
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,520
It's their explanation.

808
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,520
And to the degree that in this novel, Araman teaches him how to do some stuff and he teaches

809
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,080
Araman how to do some stuff because they can do the same stuff.

810
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:06,120
And then weird boy speaks at the council of Nikea and says, well, they're doing magic.

811
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:07,120
It's like so you.

812
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,760
Trust them, they're not using the power of Fenris, which is drawn from my home world

813
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,760
and it's fine.

814
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:12,760
That's right.

815
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:13,760
That's right.

816
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:14,760
Space wolf haters just don't get it.

817
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:15,760
Common space wolf.

818
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:16,760
Like L.

819
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:17,760
Yeah, the space wolf in this one.

820
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,760
This book was a space wolf W last I checked, isn't it?

821
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,960
Yeah, but this book is so weird, bro.

822
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,480
The thing is, I did a video on weird make and pretty much most of the comments are like,

823
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:33,120
I was so happy when Araman tore his soul apart and let it be feasted on by the warp.

824
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,000
And it's like, oh yeah, he wasn't a good fella, was he?

825
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,360
And then you got like target I use to guy from the White's cause like, well, actually,

826
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,440
I think moderation is a good idea.

827
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,480
And maybe we should like see this more as like a primal force.

828
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,480
And then we were like, ah, sorcery.

829
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,240
It's like, no, you can't be like that.

830
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:51,240
You're naughty.

831
00:54:51,240 --> 00:54:52,480
I again, I can't let it go.

832
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,480
I hate how the space was in the beginning of the novel.

833
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,600
They arrive on that desert planet and all the thousands of sons using magic to call

834
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,000
themselves damn being like, God, it's even hot from the starties.

835
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,000
And the space will are decked out in fur.

836
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,840
And they're like, this is how we roll.

837
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,480
We just know the space was don't even, they said they are still cool because apparently

838
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,120
their GZ is so good.

839
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,720
Like they just don't suffer from temperature changes.

840
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:19,960
So even if they're in the freezing cold, they're still there to be fair, being a lawman, they

841
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,560
are part of the tree foil.

842
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,120
So they were made for a specific purpose.

843
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:28,200
And if that is to be like, we can just kill anyone in any environment then.

844
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,480
The enjoyable part is the burning of prosper in this book.

845
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,480
Quite tragic.

846
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:33,480
A bit too fast.

847
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,880
This book feels like so long, like my God.

848
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,840
The idiots of Nikea happens in this as well.

849
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:47,040
And Magnus again delivers his butchering of the Allegory of the Cave, which I haven't

850
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,440
forgiven him for.

851
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,320
But I think Citi is fine for this.

852
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,240
Again, the book is like, all right.

853
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,720
And there's the enjoyable parts of it, but it's not, you can't compute the things above

854
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:57,720
it.

855
00:55:57,720 --> 00:56:01,960
By the way, we got a donation from Tom Warren to $5 saying, I was super angry that Omnibus

856
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:08,120
V of Omnibus V because it broke up the flow of the main books, but the stories in it are

857
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,720
really good on their own.

858
00:56:09,720 --> 00:56:13,240
It is still gothic.

859
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:17,200
With Brian Blessed, who I've met and he's a lovely man.

860
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:18,200
Next book, Nemesis.

861
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,200
I actually really enjoyed this one too.

862
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,200
I didn't.

863
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:27,920
I think this is actually one of those ones that has like a cult following.

864
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,680
I know the basics of the book.

865
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,840
It's one of those things where they go, let's assassinate Horus and you know going in, Horus

866
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,840
isn't going to die.

867
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,840
And at the end they go, let's not assassinate Horus.

868
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:43,360
This is an assassination attempt that goes so wrong, they decide at the end of the book

869
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:47,400
that they will never try and assassinate him again, except for the times when they do try

870
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,400
to assassinate Horus.

871
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:53,560
Paul Luke Sedere, who's literally wearing Horus's arm, is like, oh, I must be very important.

872
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,160
I'm going to address the people.

873
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,160
Headshot.

874
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,280
And you're like, oh, Luke, you poor man.

875
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,240
The book could be great, but it's filler.

876
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,080
If they're trying to, it's like, I'm going to kill ex Primarch.

877
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,040
You know what's going to happen?

878
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:11,040
It was just nice to have like an assassinorum book where you got to see the dynamic of like

879
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,560
the first ever kill team working together and being like, oh, you got an Eversoar and

880
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,080
a Vindicare and blah, blah, blah.

881
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,400
And you see how they like don't like each other because of like, oh, she changes shape

882
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,200
and he's just a murderer and he's a camper.

883
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Yeah, yeah.

884
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:30,920
To be fair, one thing in its defense, Constantine finger guns.

885
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:31,920
Yeah.

886
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,880
Constantine Valde at one point is in the alley and he just goes bow bow bow with finger guns

887
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,240
and then people start popping.

888
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:39,240
Yeah.

889
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Oh yeah.

890
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,160
He literally goes like, I am the will of the emperor.

891
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
He's poised.

892
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,160
Observe.

893
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:45,800
And he goes, oh, someone's head explodes and he goes point.

894
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,600
An assassin is like miles away.

895
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,480
So he's like, you die, you die.

896
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,200
So that was a cool part.

897
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,600
I literally heard that and I had this idea of like, you could use that same setup with

898
00:57:55,600 --> 00:58:01,320
a Vindicare and you could have like an ecclesiarchy zealot.

899
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:06,680
Like I had this story idea of like, imagine he was like confronting an orc warband and

900
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:11,280
he made a prime orc as like a primarch and he was like, you are destined to be like the

901
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,280
leader of your people.

902
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:17,360
And he tricks him into believing that he's like the son of the emperor and he uses the

903
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:21,720
Vindicare to like blow up the enemies of his like warband and he makes him like believe

904
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,440
he's strong and therefore he becomes strong.

905
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,800
That sounds like some mock tarious level of it's a fun fiction.

906
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Bro, not this year.

907
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:28,800
I cannot go wrong, bro.

908
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,800
It'll be fine.

909
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:30,800
Yeah.

910
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:31,800
And that's the fun part.

911
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:36,280
And we got donation from practical, by the way, from $5 saying, but there was that cool

912
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,000
scene where a thousand sun uses magic to pilot a warlord Titan.

913
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:45,360
That is a next book though, is I think it is tier one.

914
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,120
First heretic.

915
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,720
Really enjoyed this book.

916
00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:59,600
Aguiltal showing philosophy, corruption of chaos, Isfahan five shenanigans, custodians.

917
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:04,360
I think there's one of the few books where, and also a lot of lore are in it as well.

918
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:05,360
The full book flows.

919
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:06,360
Change of tone there.

920
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:16,440
The book just flows really well and every character, I didn't hate any character in

921
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,640
this really enjoyable and it's really interesting.

922
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,560
I think if I was to recommend it, oh, you meant to, that's the whole point.

923
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:25,560
You don't, but he's well-rounded.

924
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:30,040
He's like as well, you know, I heard Gilamon is like really well written.

925
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,240
And is this the one where he also, oh, this isn't the one where he cranks an avatar of

926
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,240
Cain, is it?

927
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:35,240
No, that's a different one.

928
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:36,240
Yeah, that's a short story.

929
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,240
I would have put it higher.

930
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:42,840
A wounded avatar of Cain, may I specify such an actual matchup?

931
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,640
Forgrim's avatar was full power.

932
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,000
I was, I said that doesn't make me feel happier that there's a brain.

933
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,760
Because it does make it like seem like a Primarch is this equivalent of a wounded avatar of

934
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:55,760
Cain.

935
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,760
That should be the level.

936
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,080
The weakest of all Primarchs is an equivalent.

937
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:03,160
Enjoyable book though, if Gilamon is okay with it, S2.

938
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:07,080
Yeah, it also has some Custody Ls in it.

939
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,880
And I like Custody Ls for the same reason why I like Space Wolf Ws, because people just

940
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,360
see them so much.

941
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,560
And it's so funny to watch these people just lose their minds.

942
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaking of Space Wolves, Eli, this was on the, I was a little kid when I read this and

943
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,000
I liked it.

944
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:27,840
I, I, this was one of my first ones and I really loved the perspective that most of

945
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:33,360
it is from the perspective of a Skeld, which is like the equivalent of like the Space Wolves

946
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:38,600
remembrances where he's like, they have an oratory tradition of we pass down the legends

947
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,680
of the chapter through our Skelds.

948
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:48,920
And I really liked similar to Descent of Angels, how this one had a real deep dive into how

949
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:50,680
does this chapter work?

950
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,880
And the whole meme of there are no wolves on Fenris.

951
01:00:53,880 --> 01:01:01,600
And it's like, I enjoy losing myself in the cultures of fantasy realms and this was a

952
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,160
really fun read for me.

953
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,800
Do you want to hear a really funny thing?

954
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:12,240
So they, the writers were told to stop saying there are no wolves on Fenris, apparently.

955
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,760
So I can't remember which writer said this, but someone, this was a, they post about this

956
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,560
online because they started saying there are no wolves on Fenris.

957
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,800
And of course that became a massive meme and everyone's thinking like, what does that mean?

958
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,920
Does that mean that like, does that mean that starts in, he says it first, I think in A

959
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,120
Thousand Sons and everyone's like, what does that mean?

960
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:36,400
Does that mean like the wolves on Fenris are actually like A Thousand Sons?

961
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,120
Does it mean that like they're like, you know, not organic space wolves?

962
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,120
What is it?

963
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:47,360
And space and GWN, just to clarify, we sell a bunch of space wolf models riding wolves.

964
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,840
You can't keep saying this.

965
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,120
But they also don't regard themselves as a chapter as space was like, no, we are the

966
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,120
route.

967
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:56,240
We are the Vilka Fenrica.

968
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,840
That's just what the Imperium calls us.

969
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,520
Well, it's not, it's not said in that respect.

970
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,660
It's like Magnus the Red says it about the space wolves.

971
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:04,440
So it's like, what's he trying to get at it?

972
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:05,440
Like, and everyone's trying to say.

973
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,560
I think he's trying to imply like they weren't like either they used to be like human who

974
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:14,640
like got, yeah, they were something I think was the, or genetically mutated or like, or

975
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:17,480
genetically created back when Fenris was made.

976
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,120
So it's like an ongoing like Magnus like, you know, magic is everywhere.

977
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,920
You know, I actually haven't read this book.

978
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:25,920
This is interesting though.

979
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,920
I don't know how to rate this one.

980
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:27,920
It's good.

981
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:28,920
I think it's good.

982
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:35,020
It's probably not as good as Mechanicus, but I feel like it's either better than Descent

983
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:38,320
of Angels because there's actually some plot relevance to the Horus heresy.

984
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:41,440
Like, I like how Bjorn is in it and he's called Bear.

985
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,240
He's just known as Bear.

986
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:49,600
And he, he, there's this like exchange where the main character who is a Skeld, who they

987
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:55,600
basically go like, we're gonna, he like, he's implanted by Magnus to be a spy and he doesn't

988
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:56,680
know that.

989
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,880
And so he accompanies the space wolves as their Skeld and you get to learn a bit about

990
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:08,800
their culture and Bear, aka Bjorn is like, oh, I shot down your, your, your vessel.

991
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:09,800
Whoops.

992
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,480
And then he then protects his Skeld and like, then there's this bit at the end of the book

993
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:18,880
where they, they basically like, hey, you, you are like too dangerous with Magnus in

994
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,540
mind to keep free.

995
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:25,160
So we're going to like put you where the Dreadnaughts live and put you in like suspended animation

996
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:26,760
and he accepts this.

997
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:32,800
And it's this whole thing of like, I really enjoy the, the dynamic between, here is an

998
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:33,800
alien culture.

999
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,320
I don't mean alien, like, like Xenos, but like, here's a culture I have absolutely no

1000
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,400
concept of and I'm trying to figure it out.

1001
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:45,960
And as the audience reading or listening to the book, you go, I'm in the Skeld's, I can't

1002
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:50,680
remember his name, the Skeld's POV and I don't get it.

1003
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:54,460
And as the book progresses, you start to understand how the space wolves work.

1004
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:57,920
And that's a really fun, at least for me, that was a really fun experience.

1005
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:58,920
And I know people-

1006
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:59,920
It's not going in S2.

1007
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:03,040
It's not going in S2, but I'm just saying, I think it's really good.

1008
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,040
And a lot of people-

1009
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:05,920
Maybe his space wolf fan is a little kid.

1010
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:06,920
What's the-

1011
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:10,720
I actually put thousand sons, but if I was doing it myself, I would put a thousand sons

1012
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:11,720
above Prospero Burns.

1013
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:12,720
You know what?

1014
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:13,720
Maybe they're just the same book.

1015
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:14,720
They are the same.

1016
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,720
I mean, they're kind of the same.

1017
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,720
It's kind of the same.

1018
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,720
I do like the stuff of Bjorn.

1019
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,840
I like great character or Bear, as he's known in that novel, but it's tough.

1020
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:25,840
I don't know.

1021
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,760
Nothing really grips me about that.

1022
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,000
You don't feel that strongly about it.

1023
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,320
Oh, next one.

1024
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,760
Next one is Fila.

1025
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:40,920
I was saying, I was doing this before, so hard to rank the anthologies because they're

1026
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:41,920
all over the place.

1027
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,760
I think this is the one I like the most.

1028
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,120
I think this is the one that has Dantioch in for the first time.

1029
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:55,400
And it has the Curse versus Lion fight number one with Corswain.

1030
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:56,760
So I think that's in this one.

1031
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,120
So I would rank this one at the highest of the anthologies, I think.

1032
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,120
I quite like Talon and Korraks.

1033
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,560
I think they're quite good.

1034
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,560
I'm trying to think.

1035
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,560
Yeah, they're all over the place.

1036
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:06,560
In fact, which one?

1037
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,240
Oh, Tales of Heresy, I think, actually has Last Church, doesn't it?

1038
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:11,240
Yeah.

1039
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:12,240
I think I want to say.

1040
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,240
So that's also quite good.

1041
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:14,240
It's very hard.

1042
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,240
They're just anthologies.

1043
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:16,240
Yeah.

1044
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,480
Don't even deserve to be in the list.

1045
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:19,480
The Outcast.

1046
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,040
I actually really enjoy this book.

1047
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,040
I don't.

1048
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,920
Again, I feel not strongly about it whatsoever.

1049
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,320
I do feel like not a lot of care was put into the novel.

1050
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,480
Well, may I make my case?

1051
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,080
Sure.

1052
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,400
The reason I really enjoy this book is that you have a weird misfit band.

1053
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,040
If you've got this guy from the Fires and Suns, you've got a Lunar Wolf, you've got

1054
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:46,000
two world leaders, you've got this band of like, we've been imprisoned by the actions

1055
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:47,680
of our legions.

1056
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,920
These guys are all part of the Crusader host.

1057
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:50,920
Yes.

1058
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,520
And they're all like, we are part of the Crusader host.

1059
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,520
We're the representatives of each legion.

1060
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,320
And what the Imperium did is they said, we're going to, heresy's happening.

1061
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:00,640
We're going to imprison you all.

1062
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:05,240
So Varian is part of this band, he becomes a proto-Grey Knight, part of the Knight's

1063
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:06,240
Errant.

1064
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:11,600
But the main conflict is like them versus like a Thunder Warrior who has a criminal

1065
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:13,960
band or like a cartel.

1066
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,280
And they're protecting this Navigator fella.

1067
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,040
And I really enjoy how unique and weird this book is.

1068
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:24,680
Because like, there's an Empress Children guy, there's a Lunar Wolf, there's two Lunar

1069
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:25,680
Wolves, I think, actually.

1070
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,080
There's a couple of world leaders, blah, blah, and a Thousand Sun.

1071
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:33,960
And it's just like a weird band of misfits trying to vindicate their actions, knowing

1072
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,680
that they're going to be hunted down.

1073
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,920
Also, two world leaders kill a custodian while they're in business.

1074
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,480
With their bare hands, baby, with their bare hands.

1075
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:48,080
And it's like, I really enjoy that this is just a weird book.

1076
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,240
And it stands out like a saw farmer.

1077
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,880
I love that kind of book, because in this setting, it would be so easy to be like, we're

1078
01:06:54,880 --> 01:07:00,480
going to do another one about the Blood Angels and how they fight, they're good fight.

1079
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:05,120
I'm like, I want this weird stuff, because that's where fun experimentation and ideas

1080
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:06,120
come from.

1081
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:11,920
And also, Severian gets a spin off where that Japanese swordsman tracks him down under orders

1082
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:12,920
from Malkador.

1083
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,980
And he's like, oh, he can be a knight's errand, because he's actually quite good at like,

1084
01:07:15,980 --> 01:07:16,980
not dying.

1085
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:18,760
And I just really like the detail, isn't it?

1086
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,760
That guy.

1087
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:21,120
Yeah, he's so like out of place.

1088
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:22,720
It's just a Japanese swordsman.

1089
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,120
There's a samurai in 40k.

1090
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,440
It's one of the assassin types, right?

1091
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,960
Was FromSoft writing this book?

1092
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:29,960
What?

1093
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,320
The thing is, he's not like an assassin or a member.

1094
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:34,880
He's just like a guy who's like, I have a sword that I've been using for my time.

1095
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:35,880
There are like ninja samurai.

1096
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,880
I have an actual katana.

1097
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,880
And they try to kill Severian.

1098
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:43,160
There's a score of the Inquisition that they have, it's like the minor.

1099
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,760
And the Inquisition isn't a thing yet.

1100
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,280
Yeah, but there's a minor one.

1101
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:47,600
The assassin orm though.

1102
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:53,480
They have where they practice cutting with a, making the perfect cut with a blade.

1103
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,800
There's an entire Inquisitional order that does that.

1104
01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:58,800
And this is the guy who probably would help with foundry or something.

1105
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,560
To be fair, it doesn't mind.

1106
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,840
There is actually like a competition where it's like, if you sit in your knees and you

1107
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:09,000
have a katana, there's like an actual competition where it's like draw speed.

1108
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,800
Kind of like when you get guys who like compete, how quickly can you draw and fire a six rounds

1109
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,040
of a revolver?

1110
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:18,720
The same thing exists in our world of like, how quick can you draw a sword cut and like,

1111
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,640
you got to click and then you're back in the sheath.

1112
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,840
And it's like, it's just these guys.

1113
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:28,600
While you were studying the law, I was studying the blade fellows.

1114
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,160
This is ultimately this book.

1115
01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:34,160
You have to rate this one.

1116
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,160
It can be good and filler.

1117
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,160
Fillers is not inherently bad.

1118
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,160
It is a filler book.

1119
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:45,440
If someone likes it on the basis of it having a thunder warrior.

1120
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:52,440
I just say though, okay, probably this novel is that there's a big plot hole in this novel.

1121
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:58,680
It's huge, which is that they get the order of Magnus contacting the emperor wrong and

1122
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,480
they try to wreck on it later on.

1123
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:04,160
I think there's a, I can't remember which novel, Malkadot says, oh, actually it took

1124
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:05,440
a while for the signal to reach.

1125
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,760
I'm like, you could have made that clear in the novel.

1126
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,400
It just feels like they forgot the order.

1127
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,720
Also they don't tie up the thunder warrior dying.

1128
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:14,720
What's his name?

1129
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,440
I can't remember his name, but he's like, I'm a crime boss, but I was a thunder warrior.

1130
01:09:18,440 --> 01:09:21,240
And at the end of the book, it's like, I'll be back one day.

1131
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,240
And he never comes back.

1132
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:27,040
They fight some scary demon thing at the end, don't they?

1133
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:31,960
Some dark angel emperor demon thing.

1134
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,320
I'm pretty sure that happened.

1135
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:35,320
There's a plot hole in Fulgrim.

1136
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:40,080
I just remember it's the one where Fulgrim mentions, you know, old world eaters, Angra

1137
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,120
and Watarion and Lorgar are ready to strike at the emperor.

1138
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:44,760
And he's like, he shouldn't know that yet.

1139
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,880
Well, this is a random mistake.

1140
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,200
I have a question.

1141
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:52,160
If the fact that Severian, who's the lunar wolf in this band, survives to go on to be

1142
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:55,640
important in the series, does that mean it can't be filler?

1143
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,640
No.

1144
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,600
I'll put it in the top of the list.

1145
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,680
People from Battle for the Abyss survive.

1146
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,640
I guess it's a good question, but I think I have the same thing with Descent of Angels

1147
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,120
where, I guess technically it introduces like Zahariel, but like you could have just put

1148
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:09,120
that into something else.

1149
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:14,040
In this one, it's like Severian is quite an important, he becomes like one of the first

1150
01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:15,040
Grey Knights.

1151
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:19,280
Oh, you can put it in C tier, I think, just in terms of like, it has that much impact.

1152
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,760
And honestly, I just think like this book is so unique.

1153
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:22,760
I just like the fact that it deserves.

1154
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:23,760
I do feel like it gets more hate than it deserves.

1155
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:24,760
Yeah, I don't get it.

1156
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:25,760
It's like, let people cook.

1157
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:26,760
Let people cook.

1158
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:27,760
What's the next one, Andy?

1159
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:34,760
The next one, let me just scroll down, is, oh no, Raven Guard.

1160
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,760
Deliverance Lost.

1161
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:36,760
How will you, how will you, how will you, Raven Guard?

1162
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:37,760
How will you, Raven Guard?

1163
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:38,760
How will you, Raven Guard?

1164
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:39,760
Oh no, I would love to read the book.

1165
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,760
If Corvus or Vulcan are the covers, can we just put it in D and move on?

1166
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:45,760
Yeah.

1167
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:46,760
Okay, okay.

1168
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,760
This is a cool book.

1169
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:48,760
This is a cool book.

1170
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:49,760
I didn't enjoy it that much.

1171
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:50,760
I liked it.

1172
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:51,760
All right.

1173
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:52,760
They used plot convenience.

1174
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:53,760
I can't remember some cool parts.

1175
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:54,760
Yeah.

1176
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,760
They used, just the one with the Alpha Legion and invade the Raven Spire.

1177
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:03,920
They used plot convenience to make it so that the Raven Guard don't get destroyed, but.

1178
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,760
That's some of the better Alpha Legionnaire tactics and where they genuinely do stuff.

1179
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:08,760
Yeah, it was cool.

1180
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,760
Although.

1181
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,760
I like that.

1182
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,760
And this is the psychic stuff they do with the changing of their faces.

1183
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:13,760
Yeah, it's cool.

1184
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:14,760
That kind of thing.

1185
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:15,760
Yeah.

1186
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,760
The relationships between Corvus and the Emperor is actually quite nice, quite good.

1187
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,760
I'm not talking you into a higher tier though.

1188
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:22,760
The entire.

1189
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:23,760
Yeah.

1190
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:24,760
Sorry, I'm trying to give it some stuff.

1191
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:25,760
Yeah.

1192
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:26,760
Yeah.

1193
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,640
The entire Raven Guard Legion hangs on the thread that the author decided for the Alpha

1194
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,760
Legionaries to not kill a guy and let him crawl out the door right in front of them.

1195
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,760
Yeah.

1196
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:42,240
So like every time the Alpha Legion takes an L it's from like the worst right, right

1197
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,280
impossible, the worst like stupid.

1198
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,560
Oh, they were so arrogant and prideful that they let this guy like away.

1199
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:49,560
Like what the heck?

1200
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:50,560
She's so stupid.

1201
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,560
We wanted to prove we could do this.

1202
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,160
It's so dumb.

1203
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,760
The way I see like whenever I do a Raven Guard video, they always have like an Essex or a

1204
01:11:58,760 --> 01:11:59,760
Cox Cockney accent.

1205
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,920
Cause I'm like, these guys are like, we worked in new mines, we worked in the literal salt

1206
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:04,920
mines.

1207
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:05,920
We don't.

1208
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,400
We don't do no fielding from the IT crowd.

1209
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,400
That's what I try to do.

1210
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,400
Goff to boss.

1211
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,120
You know, that's basically when we did this stream the other day and I went like, oh,

1212
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,120
we found a Goff baby.

1213
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,120
Yeah.

1214
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:25,560
I have one defense for this book, which is the Corax returns to terror and the Emperor

1215
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,560
says you can have the Geneseed reserves, but they're locked in that special maze, which

1216
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,000
is like all booby trap.

1217
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,760
And only you are best equipped to get through it.

1218
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:40,360
He has to direct all of the Legion being like left turn, three paces north, wait two minutes.

1219
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:42,200
He literally does that bit in Ocarina of Time.

1220
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:46,560
We get to the Lost Woods where you have to go like left, right, up, left, right.

1221
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,880
And he's like, yeah, he just had the cheat code installed.

1222
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,280
It's a real one-call scene.

1223
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:54,640
But again, this book is, do you think those are the bit where they hide from his farm?

1224
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:58,680
They're like all like holding their breath in that ship being like, don't kill me.

1225
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,360
But then the book is like a forgettable.

1226
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,360
I kind of.

1227
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:03,360
I think it was cool.

1228
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:07,800
I mean, they like this book basically made the Alpha Legion the strongest Legion in the

1229
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,160
setting and they really didn't go anywhere with it.

1230
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,160
Here we go, Colin.

1231
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,160
It's just classic.

1232
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,120
It's classic Alpha Legion.

1233
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,200
They gave them unlimited space marines.

1234
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,960
Would you like to explain why they are now the most, what do you mean for people who

1235
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,200
don't know?

1236
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:26,760
From what I remember, the Emperor had given Corax basically like some kind of, to make

1237
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:32,320
like kind of proto, kind of like Primaris Marines, but also just like mass to mass produced

1238
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,760
space marines to rebuild his legion because he was destroyed.

1239
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:40,640
And so then the Alpha Legion come in and steal and the Alpha Legion almost destroy the entire

1240
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,640
Raven Guard Legion.

1241
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,320
But like I said, a guy crawls out the door right in front of their eyes and they don't

1242
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:46,320
do anything about it.

1243
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,320
And that is why the Raven Guard is still here today.

1244
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,320
Is that the Apothecary?

1245
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:50,320
Yes, the Apothecary.

1246
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:51,320
Vicente VI.

1247
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,680
I remember listening to the book and being like, kill the guy, kill the guy, kill it.

1248
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:54,680
And then they just don't.

1249
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:56,360
And it's like, what the heck?

1250
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:00,080
And then his like mutated wrapped sons are like, daddy.

1251
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,320
They also created the first chaos raptors.

1252
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:05,320
Yeah.

1253
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,240
And then he's like, oh, my daddy is dead.

1254
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:08,240
I'm going to kill some Alpha Legion.

1255
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,840
Yeah, because they corrupted a bunch of the Raven Guard gene seed, but they almost did

1256
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:13,840
all of it.

1257
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,960
But then they didn't because the author needed to make sure the Raven Guard were still around

1258
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:17,960
in 4K.

1259
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,080
They had like a special gimmick from the Dark Mechanicus where they were like, hey, steal

1260
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,920
the Magnamata and infect what they have just so for like a bit of fun, we can see what

1261
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:27,920
happens to them.

1262
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:33,520
And then they're all like, being like, dad, why have I got seven hands and seven arms?

1263
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:40,280
So yeah, basically, it does, to be fair, it does kind of make more sense out of how the

1264
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:41,880
Alpha Legion treats their space marines.

1265
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,760
It's just like completely expendable because they can just mass produce them.

1266
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,760
But they really don't touch on it.

1267
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,760
They might have an annual bonus, by the way.

1268
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:51,760
Just realizing how many books it got left.

1269
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:52,760
Yeah.

1270
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:53,760
It's cause we have an endless element to this as well.

1271
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:54,760
We're just gonna do this quick.

1272
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:55,760
Yeah, this is an important one.

1273
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:56,760
I will say, this one's an important one.

1274
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,400
So if I put this in C for now, I'm gonna go for We.

1275
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:01,400
No, no fear.

1276
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:02,400
Discuss.

1277
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:03,400
Boingob.

1278
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:04,400
I would go for Winged Zone, whatever.

1279
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:05,400
That's the title.

1280
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,400
Boingob.

1281
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,400
This is one of my favorite, whatever you call it.

1282
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:10,400
Your Hale Boingob.

1283
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,400
This is one of my favorite books.

1284
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:13,400
Justify this.

1285
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,400
I think it's so good.

1286
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:15,400
I think it's okay.

1287
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,760
So in terms of like how a novel is written, it's so well told.

1288
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,760
So there's like a time scale as you go down it.

1289
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:27,000
I think it made the ultramarines what they are today up until this.

1290
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,760
The ultramarines are like the bland space marine that the poster boys normally likes.

1291
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:35,880
And then Dan Avernett gave them so much personality in this novel.

1292
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:40,160
The word bearers are like properly evil bastards, which is like the best way to write them from

1293
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:41,600
my point of view.

1294
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:46,480
And in Snowfitter in it, like literally the Ruinstorm is created in this novel.

1295
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:47,480
It's yeah.

1296
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:48,480
Cow's a baby.

1297
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:49,480
Yeah.

1298
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:50,480
Oh yeah.

1299
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:51,480
Sorry.

1300
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,920
This is a Hale-o-Garde.

1301
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:54,920
It's really good.

1302
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,800
And you get like little perspectives that Dan Avernett does.

1303
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:01,880
There's one thing he does really well is he tells his stories from multiple perspectives.

1304
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,960
So you get like word bearers and ultramarines who are like really close friends and how

1305
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:09,040
it affected them all the way up to like Gillamund and Lorgaard and then a bunch of stuff in

1306
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,160
between.

1307
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:12,160
And you get like badass moments.

1308
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:14,680
Like the cover out there is Gillamund actually in space.

1309
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,360
I was about to say, how do you get Noah Hellman in it?

1310
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,360
This is the famous quote.

1311
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:24,480
This is one of the books personally I enjoyed the most from the heresy I think.

1312
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:25,480
I did like this one.

1313
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:32,800
Again, I feel like the only reason it didn't hit me as hard as this one is because I think,

1314
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,760
I like the 40k ultramarine stuff, but I much more prefer like in this bit, like the word

1315
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,760
barrier aspect of it.

1316
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:46,680
Like I genuinely like, not saying I'm evil, but the flawed characters are always much

1317
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:47,680
more interesting.

1318
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:52,720
And I think particularly with Gillamund, I prefer more for later stuff where he's like

1319
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:58,360
actually like, oh my, how much are like, you know, there's like reconciling the actual

1320
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:01,040
like, oh, the heresy has like ruined us in this many ways.

1321
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:02,760
He's just angry, a bit too angry.

1322
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,760
He's just angry in this one though.

1323
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:11,840
Which to fair, I was reading, I'm just finishing up like the dark and pure like God blight

1324
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:12,840
plague war stuff.

1325
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,760
It's the second book where he just, at the end of that book, he just literally yells

1326
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:17,760
so loud.

1327
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,720
Like all the people go like, wow, I didn't know Gillamund's vein could throb like on

1328
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:21,720
his neck.

1329
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:22,720
So horrible.

1330
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,720
Next one, Andy, what's the word?

1331
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,720
Oh, sorry.

1332
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,720
I don't want to overrule you guys.

1333
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:34,280
If you don't want to put it in, yeah.

1334
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:35,280
No, boing.

1335
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:38,280
We'll leave it.

1336
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,600
Primarch's anthology as well.

1337
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:41,600
Boing.

1338
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,480
Just leave it there.

1339
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:45,480
Fear to tread.

1340
01:17:45,480 --> 01:17:50,120
Do you have to read 20 books to get to the first blood angels?

1341
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,920
They were in the first book as well, to be fair.

1342
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:55,840
So they were like, we'll give them a little bit.

1343
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:56,840
So we'll wait 20 books.

1344
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,840
That's the first third of the Horus heresy.

1345
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,840
There's 40 more books.

1346
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:01,840
This is pretty good.

1347
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,400
So Horus has sent the blood angels like far away.

1348
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,640
Basically the Horus recognized the blood angels, the dark angels and the ultramarines is like

1349
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,680
the big problems.

1350
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:15,360
So he was like, let's send them far away so they won't be involved like Istvan, because

1351
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,600
they just have very large legions and Sanguinus is a badass.

1352
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,880
And this is where Sanguinus finds out about the heresy.

1353
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:23,840
There it's one of my favorite scenes in the heresy.

1354
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,800
Erebus gets literally flayed at the end by Horus.

1355
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:27,800
Yeah, fantastic.

1356
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,660
Yeah, the first instance of Sanguinus and Carbanda.

1357
01:18:31,660 --> 01:18:35,440
There's a part where Sanguinus gets knocked out and he has to be woken up.

1358
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:38,840
And yeah, Carbanda's like, how are you alive?

1359
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,600
He says, my sons found me and that line goes so hard.

1360
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:42,600
I did not do it justice.

1361
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:43,600
But yeah, great.

1362
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,880
I don't know if I'd put it like Esther or anything.

1363
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:48,880
A or B?

1364
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,880
Better than Descent of Angels, surely.

1365
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,040
Yeah, better than Descent of Angels.

1366
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,240
Now I'm looking at it, I feel like Descent of Angels is too high.

1367
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,240
Yeah, definitely better than Descent of Angels.

1368
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,240
That better?

1369
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:02,120
Yeah, I think that's better.

1370
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:06,680
I would say Fulgrim above the Fear to Tread, but yes, it's tough.

1371
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:07,840
Oh yeah, for sure.

1372
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:14,160
I will say that I really enjoy Meros from the Dark Angel stuff.

1373
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:19,720
And also a fun fact, there's a start, it's called Eli, Eli Janus, who sacrifices himself

1374
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:21,760
during Cygnus Prime and he's a captain.

1375
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,360
And he's like, oh, all our buddies are going mental.

1376
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:27,360
And he fights demons and he dies.

1377
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:30,280
Bless And he shows off how he's read every single Horus here.

1378
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:31,280
Seriously.

1379
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:33,320
Well, I've listened to a lot.

1380
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:35,840
Shadows of Trechory.

1381
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:37,760
This is another anthology, isn't it?

1382
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:38,760
Yeah.

1383
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:40,800
It's actually got some good ones in it.

1384
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,920
But again, I think you'll put it in the anthology because we've got to get a move on.

1385
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,920
Angel in Common, Angel's Exterminates.

1386
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:51,920
Good fun.

1387
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,640
It's also the same vibe of Fulgrim.

1388
01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:00,320
I wouldn't reread this book, but I did in, like, it was cool.

1389
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,680
So good moments, some shattered legions.

1390
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,160
I think Beat is good for that.

1391
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,680
Yeah, I think just leave it there, Andy, it's fine.

1392
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:12,320
I guess as well, if you're like brand new to 40k, this is like your first proper ascension

1393
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,040
to demonhoods, which is like, oh, pretty exciting.

1394
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,840
Elder lore in this one.

1395
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:23,040
I like as well how it's not just like, oh, it's loyalists versus traitors.

1396
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:27,400
It's shattered loyalists versus traitors versus traitors because the traitors aren't happy

1397
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:28,840
with working together.

1398
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:35,160
It's like the most stern, no-nonsense legion with the, we like to inject several substances

1399
01:20:35,160 --> 01:20:36,160
into our faces.

1400
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:41,200
I could only mention one scene, which is when Fulgrim appears before Portorabu and they

1401
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:45,520
have like a whole, like, you know how they have carnival in Brazil?

1402
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:49,880
They have a carnival, I don't know, there's people tied to chains crawling and then like

1403
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,880
Fulgrim's wearing a dress.

1404
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,360
Fulgrim gets shot in the head in this book, right?

1405
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:56,360
Yeah, Nikona shoots him in the face.

1406
01:20:56,360 --> 01:21:00,320
And then, you will fall in love with Sharakin from this novel.

1407
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,240
And Sabik is like, nice shot.

1408
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,600
Everyone's like Nikona, I'm like, Sabik, he's my boy.

1409
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,360
And Lucius the Eternal dies.

1410
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,240
And the one is always made.

1411
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,440
So like, you know, it's a lot of big air.

1412
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:12,720
It's a good one for Lucius haters.

1413
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:18,960
And there is that legendary line about paraphrasing Fulgrim's like, Perti, I'm actually way better

1414
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,080
than you in superior.

1415
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:24,080
And then Perti's like, yet I'm the one holding the hammer.

1416
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,080
Smack.

1417
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:26,080
Yeah, yeah.

1418
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,560
Perti shows off his pedigree as a no-nonsense primer.

1419
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:33,040
Well, this is the book where Portorabu is it killed?

1420
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:38,080
Is this the one where Angron catches a titan foot?

1421
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:43,320
Betrayers put Betrayer right next to First Heretic because they are like a sort of one

1422
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:44,320
follows on to the other.

1423
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:45,320
Honestly, this is better.

1424
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:46,320
But I really want to.

1425
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:47,320
It also has probably the coolest.

1426
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,320
It's so good, Eli, what are you doing?

1427
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:50,320
You love Lorgar.

1428
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:55,080
So really, Joel Book, Angron, basically at the end, oh sorry, it's not really spoilers,

1429
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,680
but Angron, this is his ascension to demonhood.

1430
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:03,920
Quite enjoyable, again, the end of the Argol Tal sort of storyline, really enjoyable, but

1431
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:04,920
I honestly would just say go read it.

1432
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,920
There's so much that goes on in this one.

1433
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:07,920
First Heretic Betrayer.

1434
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,580
Honestly, I want to put it here.

1435
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:17,280
Just because, hear me out, you've got Angron's ascension, you've got Gilliman fighting two

1436
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:24,800
traitor primarchs, you've got the whole, the thing with like Argol Tal's betrayal by Erebus.

1437
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:29,680
There's so many really biting moments in the narrative.

1438
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:31,680
Erebus gets beaten up again.

1439
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:37,120
He does, but there's nice conclusions to arcs, there's nice fun stuff that goes on.

1440
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,000
And also there's a lot of like we were saying, the bit where Angron stops a titan from flattening

1441
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,680
Lorgar, and then there's the bit where Gilliman's fighting Lorgar and Angron and he beats Lorgar

1442
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:50,780
and then Angron stops him from being killed.

1443
01:22:50,780 --> 01:22:53,880
And then as a repayment, Lorgar's like, Humana, Humana, Humana.

1444
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:59,320
And then he like ascends Angron with the blood of Nuceria, the world he was made a slave

1445
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,320
on to become a demon.

1446
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:07,400
And the betrayal of the psychos of the world eaters trying to like, oh, no, this is a bad

1447
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,960
and trying to stop Lorgar from turning him.

1448
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:11,800
There's so many good moments in this book.

1449
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:13,040
I'm happy to leave it there.

1450
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,280
If you can put Horus Rising next to it then.

1451
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:17,160
I think that would deserve it.

1452
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,160
That's fair.

1453
01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,160
I get love in Betrayer.

1454
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,960
You do probably feel for Angron as well.

1455
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:30,600
It's a bit on the way to Nuceria, I think it is, where Angron finally starts to kind

1456
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:33,120
of connect with his sons, like a little bit.

1457
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:34,120
He starts to hang out with them.

1458
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:35,120
Yeah, hang out with them.

1459
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:36,120
They actually write the whole book.

1460
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:38,120
And then of course, Erebus has him ascend to demonhood.

1461
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,120
Sorry, not Erebus, Lorgar.

1462
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:46,520
And it's one of those things that is wonderful, 40K, that you can read it both ways in terms

1463
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:51,520
of how you view Lorgar in this novel, because he does basically save Angron's life, because

1464
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,480
Angron is essentially dying in this novel from the Butcher's novels.

1465
01:23:55,480 --> 01:24:00,840
The whole premise is that he's going to save his life.

1466
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,560
And also I like the whole characteristic of it.

1467
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:08,440
It's literally the two runs of the emperor's son's litter.

1468
01:24:08,440 --> 01:24:16,920
It's like the two most disrespected and unlikable Primarchs as far as they're...

1469
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,800
These are the two that no one really likes.

1470
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,640
It's like, oh, they're my favorites within the band of brothers, shall we say.

1471
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:26,120
They're like, oh, it's the weak one and the mental one.

1472
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:29,160
And near the end, there's a mutual...

1473
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,240
At the beginning of the story, they're like, I don't like you, you don't like me.

1474
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:35,920
And by the end, there's a mutual like, oh, you ain't so bad after all.

1475
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,560
By the way, Angron, check this out.

1476
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,120
And then Angron's like...

1477
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:41,760
And then he becomes a demon Primarch.

1478
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:44,560
And yeah, it's a fun story.

1479
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:45,560
What's the...

1480
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:46,560
Mark of Calp.

1481
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:47,560
It's another filler.

1482
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,280
It's okay, it's quite enjoyable, I'd say, is Anthology.

1483
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:56,000
It's higher than Shadows of Treachery, higher than Primarchs, lower than Age of Darkness.

1484
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,000
Okay, fine.

1485
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,600
Vulcan lives in some detail.

1486
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:03,000
It's the best of the Nick Kynes ones, in my opinion.

1487
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,000
I enjoyed this one.

1488
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,000
I'm not saying much.

1489
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,280
Can the Salamanders go to the other two?

1490
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,280
Should we just do that now?

1491
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,280
Hold on, let's go through this.

1492
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:10,280
Where are the other Salamanders?

1493
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:11,280
Describe all the Vulcan ones and...

1494
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:12,280
Yeah.

1495
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:13,280
Can we alter it?

1496
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:14,280
Can we alter it?

1497
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,280
Can we alter it?

1498
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:16,280
Can we alter it?

1499
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,440
I've got the Lord of Earth in my mind, unmerged.

1500
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:19,440
Like the...

1501
01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:22,440
Can you put Damnation of Pythons in there?

1502
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:24,400
Because that's like the bottom of the bottom of the bottom.

1503
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:26,400
That's like the worst Horrors of Heresy book.

1504
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:27,400
It's terrible.

1505
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:28,400
I can't remember any of those.

1506
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:33,120
Man, cutting out four books in one spell sweep and see all that is...

1507
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:34,120
Jaws is really crazy.

1508
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:35,120
They're all by the same author, I think.

1509
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,120
I poured Nick Kynes.

1510
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:37,120
Yeah, look at that.

1511
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,120
Nick, Nick, Nick.

1512
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,120
I will say...

1513
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,120
I've listened to his Knights of Macragge recently.

1514
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:47,400
And I was like, it's fine, but it just didn't grip me.

1515
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,040
I was like, this is never like...

1516
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,920
I know someone earlier was like, Graham McNeil has overrated my...

1517
01:25:52,920 --> 01:25:53,920
I like Graham.

1518
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,680
My favorite author is James Swallow.

1519
01:25:55,680 --> 01:26:00,560
But it's like, there's never a book where I'm like, he got me with that one.

1520
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:03,080
It's always like, it was fine at best.

1521
01:26:03,080 --> 01:26:05,080
Just saying, what was his?

1522
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,080
Chris wrote about it.

1523
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,440
Should we just put the anthologies in the filler?

1524
01:26:08,440 --> 01:26:09,440
Like, as we...

1525
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:10,440
Yeah.

1526
01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:11,440
What have we got left?

1527
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:12,440
There's a betrayal.

1528
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:14,720
Can I just say, because I thought of this earlier, right?

1529
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,640
And how you were talking about those covers and you were like, oh, those cover arts are

1530
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:19,640
like a bit misleading.

1531
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,840
The next book, Unremembered Empire, is like the most...

1532
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,240
Sanguineous is barely in this novel.

1533
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:28,840
It is very click-based from Dan Amnett.

1534
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,880
Well, he probably didn't do it, but...

1535
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:32,920
A War Without End is another filler.

1536
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,120
White Scar on the front cover goes in the top.

1537
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:39,240
And also, I really enjoyed the stories about Tagutai and about his origin.

1538
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,640
So I'm going to put that at the top of the...

1539
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,920
Eye of Terror is another filler.

1540
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:44,920
Eye of Terror, yeah.

1541
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:45,920
Yeah.

1542
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:47,320
They all have probably one good one.

1543
01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:48,320
I'm like, oh, I did like...

1544
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,600
The thing is, War Without End has some good bangers.

1545
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:53,600
That's good.

1546
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:54,600
Korax, that's another anthology.

1547
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:55,600
Yeah.

1548
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,600
Silent War.

1549
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:57,600
Korax are quite like...

1550
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:58,600
Talon, I did quite like...

1551
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,600
Silent War's really good, though.

1552
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:00,600
Top middle.

1553
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:01,600
Where's Silent War?

1554
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,600
I can't see it.

1555
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:03,600
Top middle.

1556
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:04,600
Oh, yeah.

1557
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:05,600
You're like, top middle.

1558
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:06,600
I'm like, I can't see.

1559
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:07,600
Top middle.

1560
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,600
Shattered Legions is technically an anthology.

1561
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:12,600
Burden of Loyalty is an anthology, isn't it?

1562
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:13,600
Yeah, yeah.

1563
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,600
Don't worry, not much longer, Colin.

1564
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,600
Heralds of the Siege.

1565
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:20,600
Heralds of the Siege is...

1566
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:25,600
I like how it focuses on the champions of chaos, so I'm going to put it higher.

1567
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:28,600
Because there's a bit Tifos, there's a bit of Valhalla.

1568
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:29,600
Where do we put...

1569
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,600
Slaves of Darkness is also an anthology.

1570
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:33,600
No, it's not.

1571
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:34,600
That one's the re-unified.

1572
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:35,600
No, I said re-unified.

1573
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,600
But Garrow is exceptional, and so I'm not putting an un-infamous C tier.

1574
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:44,600
Shattered Legions is technically an anthology, although that one is enjoyable.

1575
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,600
And Talon, I actually quite like Talon.

1576
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:47,600
Talon's pretty fun.

1577
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:48,600
Talon is really...

1578
01:27:48,600 --> 01:27:49,600
Boing up tier, Talon.

1579
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,600
Iron Warriors get fucking wrecked because...

1580
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,600
Ten million tanks.

1581
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:59,600
They forget that space marine armor doesn't mean anything if you're in a tank.

1582
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:00,600
Ten million tanks.

1583
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,600
I think that's the rest of them, and they're fine.

1584
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:04,600
Cool.

1585
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:05,600
I don't know about Ember Empire.

1586
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:06,600
Fun stuff.

1587
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:07,600
I enjoy it.

1588
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:09,600
I feel like I'm the only person who rates this one quite high.

1589
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:12,600
I would put this in near full group.

1590
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:14,600
Yeah, I was thinking the same.

1591
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:16,600
It's not the best.

1592
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:22,600
Because weirdly it covers so much, but the Lion, Gilliman part at the start, the first

1593
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,600
half of the book is a bit of a...

1594
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,600
It all happens towards the end.

1595
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,600
It all happens towards the end.

1596
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:29,600
Conrad Curse is there.

1597
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,600
But weirdly, this book is like five Primarchs.

1598
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:37,600
It is Gilliman, Sanguineous, Lion, Vulcan, and Curse, and they all get...

1599
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,600
It's all pretty important stuff for them, even Sanguineous.

1600
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:45,600
But it also hurts my heart because technically in some regard it's filler because they needed

1601
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,600
to occupy these Primarchs whilst they're not heading to Wall's Tower.

1602
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:49,600
But it is important.

1603
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:50,600
It is important.

1604
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,600
Vulcan gets cured, kind of.

1605
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:54,600
Yeah.

1606
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:55,600
Or dead.

1607
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:56,600
I appreciate that.

1608
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:57,600
I was going to say...

1609
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:58,600
Were you trying...

1610
01:28:58,600 --> 01:28:59,600
I was like...

1611
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,600
We have a donation, is all I was trying to say.

1612
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,600
She's from Donkeyman USA.

1613
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:12,600
And it says, the Unremembered Empire otherwise known as Conrad Curse's excellent adventure.

1614
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:15,600
It sounds like a fun book to me.

1615
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,600
Thank you for the five dollars.

1616
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:22,600
It's like, you'll never guess, guys, but I've got a bunch of booby traps and I'm going to

1617
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:23,600
set them off and run away.

1618
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:24,600
It's like, good idea, Conrad.

1619
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,600
I've turned my frog into Home Alone with Gore.

1620
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,600
But I appreciate...

1621
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:32,600
I'm sorry.

1622
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:39,600
From the conceptual level, I appreciate that Warhammer, even 40k, is 50 different history

1623
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,600
references stacked on top of each other in a trench coat.

1624
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:45,600
I appreciate this is the Byzantine Empire's time to shine.

1625
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:52,600
It's Gilman forming the successor to the Imperium around the most successful portions of it.

1626
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,600
It's a nice little Eastern Roman Empire in space.

1627
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,600
And is this the one where it's the...

1628
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,600
Sorry, I was just a small thing.

1629
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,600
Is this the one where it's Lyon says, Robute, if you pester me anymore, I will punch you

1630
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:07,600
in your...

1631
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,600
I will theoretically punch you in your practical face.

1632
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:11,600
Is that where this is from?

1633
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:12,600
That's a great line.

1634
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:13,600
I'm going to put it above the program for that.

1635
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,600
I will say the Dantioch Pollock scene against Curse is so good.

1636
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,600
Great scene.

1637
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:29,600
He's shouting out from another device, he goes, dodge left, turn right, because he can see

1638
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,600
the shadow.

1639
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:31,600
From another planet.

1640
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,600
He can sense the evil intent of Curse.

1641
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:38,600
So he knows when he's about to strike and he says to Dantioch, dodge left, move.

1642
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:44,600
Vulcan, there's a bit where Curse goes for Gilman's mother, his mother, his mcragmire.

1643
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:51,600
And then Vulcan just like out of nowhere just takes him out.

1644
01:30:51,600 --> 01:31:00,600
I know we all tend to shit on the space walls, but also Fafnir blood brother and his men

1645
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:05,600
defending Gilman and being like, oh, we're not going to let this crazy guy and like most

1646
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,600
of them die apart from Fafnir and he gets injured.

1647
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:11,600
And he's like, we're here to censure Gilman.

1648
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:15,600
And that's one of the things, people always shit on the space walls, but it's like, look,

1649
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,600
when they're good, they're really good.

1650
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:22,600
And they were like, we're going to lay down our lives to protect Gilman and we're not

1651
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,600
letting this crazy guy get to you.

1652
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:29,600
And then Vulcan comes and is like, John's scene, I'm going to kill you, T'Rasha.

1653
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:32,600
And then Vulcan goes, are you sure about that?

1654
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,600
And then he like wrecks his stuff.

1655
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,600
And he steals Gilman's ceremonial armor.

1656
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,600
And then just immediately like, what's the phrase?

1657
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:46,600
He like spear tackles Kers out of a window and they start falling down and smacking each

1658
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:47,600
other.

1659
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,600
And Kers is just like, why won't you die?

1660
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:55,600
It's like, oh, the bit where he like, just one last bit, he stabs like Vulcan with his

1661
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:56,600
two lightning claws.

1662
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:57,600
He's like, I've got him.

1663
01:31:57,600 --> 01:31:59,600
And then Vulcan goes and his breathing awake.

1664
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,600
Like, oh, god damn it.

1665
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,600
One bit about this book that I did, like, it's always so like weird to me is the bit

1666
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:10,600
right at the start with the Alpha Legion and their attempt to assassinate Gilman.

1667
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:16,600
So these 10 Alpha Legionnaires just put on ultramarines armor, including Thiel.

1668
01:32:16,600 --> 01:32:19,600
Thiel is like an ultramarine that Gilman gets along with very, very well.

1669
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:24,600
And they supposedly just make it past all of these ultramarine securities without removing

1670
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:28,600
their helmets or doing any like checks to find out that they're Alpha Legionnaires.

1671
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,600
They get into a room with Gilman, Oz Gilman and Armored.

1672
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,600
It's basically the Captain America scene in the elevator.

1673
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:38,600
And interestingly, it came out a year before the Captain America movie came out.

1674
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:42,600
And he gets like a bolt of shot and he's like, shrugs it off like, no, it's no problem.

1675
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:43,600
Don't worry about it.

1676
01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:45,600
Yeah, the Fafnir is so good.

1677
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:46,600
Fafnir is so funny.

1678
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:50,600
There's a bit, I think, towards the start when Gilman's like healing and he's like,

1679
01:32:50,600 --> 01:32:54,600
Fafnir is like, yeah, we're here to, we're here basically to check if you've, you know,

1680
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:55,600
become a traitor.

1681
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:56,600
I'm going to kill you if you're a traitor.

1682
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:57,600
Make sure you're not going to be a traitor.

1683
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:03,600
And Gilman goes, basically, it's like, well, not to be rude, but can you guys kill me?

1684
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:06,600
And Fafnir goes like, probably not.

1685
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:12,600
And then straight afterwards, the lion appears and they're like, hey, we want an honor duel.

1686
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,600
And then the lion goes, all right, I'll fight you.

1687
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:17,600
And Fafnir is like, no, I'm not a pride man.

1688
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,600
He's like, no, that's my terms.

1689
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,600
And he actually fights Lion and Lion instantly like swats him.

1690
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:30,600
And even like he tries to cut off Lion's head and Gilman himself is like, wow, I didn't see that coming.

1691
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,600
And even though the lion easily beats up Fafnir, it's a thing of honor.

1692
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,600
And Fafnir is like, yeah, you got me.

1693
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:37,600
And it's like, I love him.

1694
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:38,600
He's a good character.

1695
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,600
Also the step up to a prime mark.

1696
01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:45,600
It's proven that the Gilman is the 5'11 to the lion's six foot.

1697
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,600
Because he's a little bit taller, just a little bit taller.

1698
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,600
And hey, it's a very relevant book for 40k nowadays.

1699
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,600
So definitely recommend reading this one if you haven't.

1700
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:58,600
Oh, we already know where Anne is going to put this one.

1701
01:33:58,600 --> 01:33:59,600
There we go.

1702
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,600
Next.

1703
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:07,600
We will say why that we think Skars should be in the top of Boying Gob.

1704
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,600
Because Jaggedeye is in it.

1705
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,600
Yeah, it's actually it is like a really good book.

1706
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,600
It is fantastic.

1707
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,600
It's like the Skars are so interesting as a chapter.

1708
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,600
It's like as a chapter as a legion and very interesting chapter too.

1709
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:24,600
But like, yeah, the Skars have like their own little civil war.

1710
01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:31,600
Like it's very interesting and Jaggedeye can't actually is smart and he like debates in his head.

1711
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:32,600
Should I get into heresy?

1712
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,600
When Leman's like, hey, I'm in a war with the Alpha Legion.

1713
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:36,600
Do you want to give me a hand?

1714
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:40,600
He's like, I'm going to figure out what's going on first before I go in the deep end.

1715
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,600
Like chill.

1716
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:43,600
It's nice.

1717
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:52,600
If everyone's getting into like reading heresy books, this is one of the few ones where like a lot of them are like very separate from like they're kind of their own thing.

1718
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,600
I don't like that.

1719
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,600
But it's actually like a very I recommend like for beginners as well.

1720
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:05,600
Just just straight up go for this book because then you get to enjoy a really well written legion, well written storyline.

1721
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:09,600
And it just ties up neatly and then it goes on to another novel that's enjoyable.

1722
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:15,600
Yeah, because the thing is, it's like it is involved with the horror heresy, even though it's not to a grand scale.

1723
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,600
It's not like the big laser beam in the sky sort of story.

1724
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:24,600
But it really does. It does all it checks all the boxes of like you get to understand the culture of the legion.

1725
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:26,600
You get to understand a Primark in doing so.

1726
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,600
You get to see the politics of the war as it unfolds.

1727
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:31,600
You get some fun action scenes.

1728
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,600
You get like it does everything perfectly.

1729
01:35:34,600 --> 01:35:35,600
We can't recommend it enough.

1730
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:36,600
I think it's great.

1731
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:37,600
It's great.

1732
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:41,600
Why the save it for like a proper video so we can get into it at one point.

1733
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:42,600
We'll have to wait for hours.

1734
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:46,600
Vengeful spirit.

1735
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:48,600
You know what?

1736
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:50,600
I've read this one not that long ago.

1737
01:35:50,600 --> 01:36:00,600
I put it in the bottom of a bomb of one reason, which is just it suffers from the problem of a lot of other stories, which is, you know, good parts.

1738
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:07,600
But then the sum of all of it is like I felt like the book was a little bit of a slog in terms of how the opposite of scars.

1739
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,600
And like how you see.

1740
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,600
Yeah, it's a very long book is the problem.

1741
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:13,600
But it is does have an epic moments.

1742
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:19,600
So there's an assassination attempt by the guy who just got a model.

1743
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:20,600
I forgot his name.

1744
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,600
The iron hand.

1745
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:22,600
Shadrachmoshuson.

1746
01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:24,600
Shadrachmoshuson, which is really, really cool.

1747
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,600
Great. Great Primarch movements taking a plane out of the sky.

1748
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:33,600
You have the rebellion of House Divine is so one of my favorite parts of the heresy.

1749
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:38,600
So good House Diviner, a night household who, these are their own video.

1750
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:39,600
They are.

1751
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:40,600
They're basically there.

1752
01:36:40,600 --> 01:36:43,600
There's one member of House Divine who should be in charge, but he's not.

1753
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,600
He's been kind of treated shit by his family.

1754
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,600
And eventually he kind of gets in charge of the house.

1755
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:49,600
And then in the end, they turn on the emperor.

1756
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:54,600
But when they charge into battle, they see themselves as like these legendary knights and they attack a monster.

1757
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,600
But the monster is a loyalist titan, essentially.

1758
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,600
And it is it is like pure horror, heresy.

1759
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:05,600
This covers all the events of Molech, which is a very important planet, and Lupercalia, which is a city.

1760
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:10,600
And near that is one of the three gateways into chaos.

1761
01:37:10,600 --> 01:37:14,600
And that was where the emperor went to do his bargain with the chaos gods.

1762
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:16,600
And Horus does the same.

1763
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,600
And then he came out. He was like, a lot of work to do.

1764
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:30,600
Yeah. So it's essentially it's just the story of how horror is that like he was the warmaster and now he's champion of chaos at the end of this book.

1765
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:31,600
Yeah, that's fair.

1766
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:38,600
And there's a small bit where Galviel Logan, who we meet in Horus Rising, again, like most people, like a lot of people's very character.

1767
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,600
He makes an appearance that we just give the middle finger to Horus at the end.

1768
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:45,600
The basic is you're wrong. I'm right. Bye.

1769
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:50,600
And they get sucked out into space. But yeah, again, I wouldn't read it again.

1770
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,600
I wouldn't read this book again. But I did it. I was right.

1771
01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,600
I'd read chapters. But yeah, yeah.

1772
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,600
What's the next one?

1773
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,600
I mean, it's one of the saddest moments in 40K.

1774
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,600
Lancioc, my boy.

1775
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:11,600
Do you know where to put this? Top of B, but it's next to Unremembered Empire because essentially it's the continuation of the Unremembered Empire storyline.

1776
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:16,600
I don't think you needed this book and Angels of Caliban. It's the thing.

1777
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:19,600
I'm going to be harsh on that one a bit.

1778
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:30,600
This one again, like there's lots of I just like this is the bit what makes me like Gilman so much is the storyline here. Gilman is just so cool in these novels.

1779
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:36,600
They get this like there's a cool they actually like Faros beacon plot device thing.

1780
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:41,600
Like I enjoyed it again. It's like all right. And then again, it has like one of the saddest.

1781
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,600
It has like a nice like brotherhood relationship with the Iron Warrior Dantio.

1782
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:46,600
It's the unlikely friendship.

1783
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,600
Yeah, space man. I mean, it's all like he's like, what's going on?

1784
01:38:50,600 --> 01:38:54,600
And then his ultramarines are like, yeah, that old remain. He's been like sobbing.

1785
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:57,600
So we gave him a blankie and he's still sobbing.

1786
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,600
And then Gilman's like Pollux and then he's like, do your job.

1787
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,600
But we're going to like make Dantio the first ever hero of the Imperium.

1788
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:11,600
We're going to honor him and I'm going to help you to like avenge him because Gilman's a swell dude.

1789
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:17,600
All right. Yeah. But again, I wouldn't I wouldn't read reread the novel, but I would.

1790
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:24,600
I do like the I enjoy it as like the entire like sort of plot line of Imperium secundus.

1791
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:29,600
So you get to a nice little thing at the end. You get to meet the Tyranids, which is very nice.

1792
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,600
Yeah. Yeah. Bit of a miss. Bit of a wussy. Thanks, dudes.

1793
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:37,600
What's the next one, Andy? The next one is Puff Heaven.

1794
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,600
Hold on. I just put this.

1795
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,600
This one is this is Conn. Glorious.

1796
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:46,600
This is a glorious.

1797
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:52,600
Weirdly enough, if you don't read a short story before this book, it kind of doesn't make sense because there's a short story where those.

1798
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:57,600
Yeah. Mortarion just basically goes, ah, I'm a psycho.

1799
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:03,600
That's horrible. But you know what? I'm not going to let the war control me. I'm a control it.

1800
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:07,600
I'm going to start doing my own experimentation and then it'll be a answer to me.

1801
01:40:07,600 --> 01:40:14,600
And then that doesn't go. Yeah. Well, I don't even want to spoil this book because it's just so it's so good.

1802
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:18,600
Which places that white scars have the best books in the horror.

1803
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:23,600
But I'm not going to diminish that. They're fucking great. They're amazing. Read them.

1804
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:26,600
They're amazing. Which book does he go to prosper in?

1805
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,600
And then scars scars. Yeah. Yeah.

1806
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:35,600
And he needs a Magnus and he's like best mates with Magnus and he's like, God, be honest, bro.

1807
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:40,600
It's a bit cringe going chaos. And he's like, oh, but that is a bit.

1808
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:45,600
And then they fight. And then there's like the fact that this is like a more tear.

1809
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:52,600
You mean beginning of scars like the white scars legion has a ton of units there, like a fully stopped legion.

1810
01:40:52,600 --> 01:41:00,600
And by the path of heaven, they've been harassing the emperor's children, the sons of Horus and the death guard.

1811
01:41:00,600 --> 01:41:06,600
But because they've been fighting free legions, the free legions have been working together to be like, oh, we understand their tactics.

1812
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:14,600
So by the time of the path of heaven, they are like heavily, heavily surrounded by free legions and they know all their tricks.

1813
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:23,600
And my boy, Tagutai Yusuke, he dies and Shincha dies. And it makes me sad.

1814
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:31,600
I can't talk about this anymore.

1815
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:33,600
At the end of the book, he's like, all my friends are dead.

1816
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,600
And it's like, yeah, exactly.

1817
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:36,600
That happens in the old father.

1818
01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:40,600
That happens in the Seige's, his Seige Tera book too, doesn't it?

1819
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:45,600
All of his buddies just die. And in his Primark book, all of his buddies died to the orcs.

1820
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:51,600
Yeah, but then again, Seige Tera, Shiban Khan makes the Salamanders look bad by saving a guardsman and a baby.

1821
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,600
And like running from like beyond the walls. But I've got a baby I must preserve.

1822
01:41:56,600 --> 01:42:01,600
And then he like takes them to the war and all the defenders are like, why? Why? Scars are the best.

1823
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:07,600
I know. Right. By the way, we got a donation from Lutti McShootie, veteran of the channel.

1824
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:20,600
Thank you very much for ninety nine dollars saying, are we going to get a reading of the epic of Boingot and discuss the religious reasons why eating a ball of pure life was the right thing to do?

1825
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:22,600
It's only a sentence of law.

1826
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:26,600
One day. We'll do a Boingot stream one day.

1827
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:35,600
Next book, Angels of Caliban. As much as I like what it is in the Imperium trilogy, like sort of thing, this one is the bottom of B.

1828
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:37,600
Yeah, I was going to say the bottom of B.

1829
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:45,600
Just as in terms of like, there's a little bit of boringness to it, but there is some cool elements like the lion does crunk curse.

1830
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:52,600
Yeah. But again, like it is like the whole novel is just basically waiting for that moment. And like it just feels like they're edging.

1831
01:42:52,600 --> 01:43:07,600
After the Shramis Crusade, Age of Darkness, Unremembered Empire, Pharoahs and then finally Angels of Caliban to see Curse get dealt with is so satisfying because he's just a fucking pain in the ass.

1832
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:13,600
I definitely felt it was more like, thank God it's over. It's over rather than anything else after that.

1833
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:20,600
The thing is like, yes, he's an amazing duelist and all that, but it's also like, yeah, your allegiance are relevant. Who cares?

1834
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:32,600
Well, in Pharoahs, he's like, like, because he finds out that his allegiance was probably, he believes his allegiance was probably destroyed at Thramas and I think it was Sigrausa.

1835
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:38,600
And he's like, I don't care. Like, they're all dead. They're all murderers and shit. He's genuinely happy to find out that they're probably all dead.

1836
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:44,600
How many times does Curse fight Primorkin? How many times does he like completely win?

1837
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:52,600
So he fights the lion twice. He fights Gilamon. He fights the lion with Gilamon. He fights Vulcan. He fights...

1838
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:53,600
A couple of times.

1839
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:54,600
Sanguineous.

1840
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:55,600
And he fights Sanguineous.

1841
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:56,600
Korax almost.

1842
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:58,600
And he fights Korax.

1843
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:00,600
Well, I have not.

1844
01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:05,600
He's like, I think Gilamon is for every time out other than Horus.

1845
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:11,600
Other than Gilamon, Conrad has fought the most Primarks as far as I'm aware.

1846
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,600
Does he win every time until this one?

1847
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:14,600
No.

1848
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:15,600
He's pretty good.

1849
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,600
He's really good. He's like top three Primarks.

1850
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:22,600
So Sanguineous is pretty much the Primark most commonly said to be the best fighter.

1851
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:27,600
Although it does change. I think Corvus says it's Angron, but generally Sanguineous is up there.

1852
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:38,600
And when Kurs and Sanguineous fight in Pharos, Sanguineous is like, oh, none of us will win this.

1853
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:40,600
Because they'll both see the few...

1854
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:45,600
Sanguineous isn't in his pajamas, but the reason given is because...

1855
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:51,600
We're both playing chess, but we have an AI to make sure that we know what the next move is. Yeah, we're cheating.

1856
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:55,600
The thing is like the Kurs also cheats, so that's not fair.

1857
01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,600
What's the next novel? It's Praetorian of Dawn.

1858
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,600
Oh, cringe.

1859
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:10,600
So, this entire book is just the author trying to bring home the point that the Alpha Legion is prideful.

1860
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:13,600
That's the entire like 400 pages.

1861
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:20,600
I can't even tell because I've just thought the other way, similar vein, but the opposite way really.

1862
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:26,600
I kind of felt like it's like, oh my god, how amazing are the Alpha Legion? How amazing is it they planned all of this?

1863
01:45:26,600 --> 01:45:30,600
How amazing is it they got into the right cracks within Terra?

1864
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:35,600
How amazing is it that they managed to evade Dawn? How amazing is it that they follow their orders perfectly?

1865
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,600
So what's the point of all this?

1866
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:38,600
And then they throw it away.

1867
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,600
I just want to have a chat with Dawn. Why did you do this?

1868
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,600
It's like, autumn of sin.

1869
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:51,600
And it has the, you know how when, I don't want to move your story, the antagonist is talking to the protagonist and he's trying to sway him to his side,

1870
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:57,600
but he's like extremely vague about it and won't say the one thing that he needs to say to convince the protagonist?

1871
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:00,600
That's the Alpha, that's the Alpha Aries versus Dawn fight.

1872
01:46:00,600 --> 01:46:03,600
He's like, bro, trust me, bro, join me, bro, it's for your choice.

1873
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:07,600
And Dawn says why. And Alpha Aries is like, well, well, well, well, well.

1874
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,600
It's like, how could you? Who wrote this? What the heck?

1875
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,600
I think the author.

1876
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:15,600
She can sort of the score.

1877
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:26,600
The author, to be fair, did do their best with the Alpha Legion rather than, like I see, the task is going to be done poorly, I think no matter what,

1878
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:33,600
because again, it's like it always has to win. But the Alpha Legion in this, I just, I did it, it was like, there's certain aspects of it,

1879
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:38,600
which is like, oh, that's actually kind of like, you know, enjoyable and neat. But I think it overall.

1880
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:41,600
Dawn picking out Alpha Aries is a sick moment.

1881
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:44,600
That happens in Legion, I think, not this one.

1882
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:45,600
I think the underlying.

1883
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:53,600
No, I'm picturing Dawn before they fight. When Dawn walks into the room and he sees Alpha Aries and two guys, he's like, you're Alpha Aries.

1884
01:46:53,600 --> 01:47:04,600
I kind of like the idea that behind the book, it's like, what if you had an unimpeachable morass of smoke screens versus an immovable object,

1885
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:08,600
and that the immovable object still wins, because that's the thing.

1886
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:14,600
So, oh, I'm going to attack you from all these avenues and blah blah blah. Yeah, but I'll still like nut you.

1887
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:16,600
And that's kind of the idea of like.

1888
01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:22,600
What is enjoyable about this book though is the, just the Imperial First character called Archimus.

1889
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,600
I just liked him as a solid space marine. Like, it's one of the things about him.

1890
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:26,600
Archimus first.

1891
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:31,600
He's a space marine character who wasn't like ego driven or just like some regular bloke.

1892
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:38,600
I think there's two. There's Archimus and there's Archimus two. Archimus two, technically, because then Archimus three is at the end of the book, if you know what I mean.

1893
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,600
And he becomes the Lord Commander of the Siege of Terra.

1894
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,600
But yeah, put this one in bottom of sea to be fair.

1895
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:48,600
I think it shows. It is like must read, because it's death of the Primarch.

1896
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:50,600
And I will say it is death of the Primarch.

1897
01:47:50,600 --> 01:47:52,600
But it's death of the Primarch.

1898
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:58,600
The chapter after Alpha Aries dies is Omegon going, oh, I can feel that Alpha Aries is dead.

1899
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,600
So I felt a disturbance in the force.

1900
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:02,600
Master of Mankind, Boyn Gob.

1901
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:04,600
Boyn Gob. So Boyn Gob.

1902
01:48:04,600 --> 01:48:08,600
Boyn Gob. Boyn of my, sorry, Boyn of my goblets.

1903
01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:09,600
What's it there?

1904
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,600
No, it's next to Scars.

1905
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,600
It's next to Scars.

1906
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,600
Honestly, I got more out of Betrayer than I did Master.

1907
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:23,600
Master of Mankind, it is literally, it's one of the few things that actually gets you.

1908
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:28,600
It's just poor. It's just poor hammer boyn.

1909
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:32,600
Master of Mankind is like, oh, the Master of Mankind did Mastering.

1910
01:48:32,600 --> 01:48:34,600
And it's like, yeah, obviously.

1911
01:48:34,600 --> 01:48:36,600
Whereas this has some fun twists.

1912
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,600
This is like, oh yeah, cool.

1913
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:42,600
This is the must read of the entire Voltaire series.

1914
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:48,600
Alex, have you had this conversation before where cool people being in a book doesn't make it a good book?

1915
01:48:48,600 --> 01:48:53,600
The problem is when they're this cool.

1916
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,600
When it's this cool, it's so hard.

1917
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:56,600
I'm totally willing to call it.

1918
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,600
I cannot fairly evaluate this novel.

1919
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:02,600
If it was written terribly, I probably wouldn't be able to tell, but I'm pretty sure it is.

1920
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,600
I'm pretty sure it's actually good.

1921
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:09,600
It follows mostly the Webway war with the custodians and the Sisters of Silence.

1922
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:10,600
And a few like-

1923
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:11,600
Zephon from the Blood Inches.

1924
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,600
Yeah, and a few like extra mercenary people in it.

1925
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:19,600
That is, again, like the combat in this book is the best combat of the entire Horrors Harry.

1926
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:24,600
The bit where they would describe how the custodians with their spear, they move so fast.

1927
01:49:24,600 --> 01:49:29,600
And when they're out of ammo, they ram it into the ground, unleash their dual swords while servitors reload it.

1928
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,600
And then they quickly sheath and like pick it up.

1929
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:35,600
The actual combat in this one is unmatched.

1930
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:38,600
And then obviously the Emperor arriving in the Webway is literally like the sun.

1931
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:40,600
The sun arrives.

1932
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:47,600
It's also, I remember in the epilogue of this book, it's really satisfying because I think it's in the epilogue you put this,

1933
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:51,600
where he talks about how he didn't actually like invent any of the Emperor law for this.

1934
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:58,600
What he did is like pull all these different sources of the Emperor's law and turn it into this novel.

1935
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:03,600
And it becomes like the go-to novel for what we know about the Emperor today.

1936
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:05,600
And I just thought that is so wonderful.

1937
01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:08,600
Let's go to this one, go to the next one, Andy.

1938
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:12,600
What's the next one is the Crimson King.

1939
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,600
Oh, God.

1940
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:18,600
Yeah, it's just a this.

1941
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,600
This is the only novel I actually I thought I couldn't follow at one point.

1942
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:22,600
Like I didn't know what was happening.

1943
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:25,600
What a quick fall from grace.

1944
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:29,600
I think even Graham McNeill, who's the author of this, who's written a lot of good Warhammer books.

1945
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:30,600
He does a lot of good stuff.

1946
01:50:30,600 --> 01:50:34,600
He even said he really struggled to write this book.

1947
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:40,600
This book is essentially the Thousand Suns messing about in the Hell of Heresy doing nothing.

1948
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:42,600
They're looking for the shards of the soul.

1949
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:43,600
And Lucius is being like, I want to find you what's his name?

1950
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:44,600
And he's like, no.

1951
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,600
One's on a boat, one's in a river.

1952
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:47,600
Like honestly, I almost struggled.

1953
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,600
I didn't know what was happening at one point.

1954
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:51,600
I was like, huh?

1955
01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:53,600
Especially what happened on the planet of sorcerers.

1956
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,600
Yeah, like this is SideQuest, the book.

1957
01:50:56,600 --> 01:50:58,600
You've played Skyrim's main quest 80 times.

1958
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,600
Go on some side stuff.

1959
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:01,600
Lucius is it.

1960
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:02,600
This is the book I was going to mention.

1961
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:08,600
Lucius Eternal is randomly with the Thousand Suns in this book because he's trying to duel one of the Thousand Suns.

1962
01:51:08,600 --> 01:51:10,600
I'd be like, hey, bro, you want to duel now?

1963
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:12,600
Wait, wait.

1964
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:15,600
And the duel master is like, I can literally see into the future.

1965
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:16,600
That's why I'm so good at dueling.

1966
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:17,600
And Lucius is like, do you want to fight?

1967
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:18,600
Yeah.

1968
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:19,600
And he's like, no.

1969
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:21,600
Donation by Leon Leon.

1970
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:22,600
Thank you, brothers.

1971
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:31,600
Conrad Curse will make Fulgrim cry like a little bitch because I don't know Curse could win, but I like trigger people like a good night.

1972
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:36,600
Nightlord fans cannot comprehend Conrad Curse losing a fight.

1973
01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:49,600
I mean, the thing is I was on a Star Wars Anonymous, Shadow of Two, a Star Wars Anonymous, and I was having a discussion with Red beforehand about how like he was coping so hard that like the Dark Angels are just better than the Nightlords.

1974
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:55,600
And it's like I get underdogs, Nightlords, but like the Dark Angels are way better.

1975
01:51:55,600 --> 01:52:00,600
And every time every chance they get, they crunk the Nightlords.

1976
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,600
So they killed two thirds of the Nightlords Legion, was it?

1977
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:04,600
Yeah.

1978
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,600
And it's like you can't deny.

1979
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:12,600
I mean, when your thing is to kill unarmed civilians that are weaker than you, you're kind of like...

1980
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:14,600
The runt of the Little Legion.

1981
01:52:14,600 --> 01:52:16,600
And that's saying something considering the word bearers.

1982
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:17,600
Come on.

1983
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,600
It's also not why I like the Nightlords.

1984
01:52:21,600 --> 01:52:25,600
I never, I would never like the Nightlords because of their prowess.

1985
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:29,600
It's just they're just very interesting and fantastic characters.

1986
01:52:29,600 --> 01:52:31,600
I don't want to like sabotage.

1987
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:34,600
I would say sabotage, like arguably the best swordsman, Beat Sigismund.

1988
01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:35,600
Just saying, just saying.

1989
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:36,600
He's cool.

1990
01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:38,600
Totally legitimate.

1991
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:40,600
We have another donation.

1992
01:52:40,600 --> 01:52:42,600
Hey, a dub is a dub.

1993
01:52:42,600 --> 01:52:46,600
From Maine Even TV.

1994
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:49,600
Sorry, I'm freaking out right now.

1995
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:51,600
Okay, thank you.

1996
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:52,600
Yo boys love the show.

1997
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:54,600
A question that will derail the conversation.

1998
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:59,600
What is there an archetype you believe is missing from 40k factions?

1999
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:00,600
For example, what elves?

2000
01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:03,600
Yeah, what elves would be the exodites?

2001
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,600
If only they had more than two pages of lore.

2002
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:15,600
I remember someone in my comments in a post I made the other day said they want to see exodites before Emperor's Children.

2003
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:20,600
And if I knew that person in real life, they would have gotten a stern talking to me.

2004
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:21,600
But they're right.

2005
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:24,600
Bro, they have two pages of lore.

2006
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:29,600
Can we make, can we give the regular factions codexes before we make new ones, please?

2007
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:30,600
No.

2008
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:31,600
Oh my gosh.

2009
01:53:31,600 --> 01:53:33,600
We need more leagues of Otan.

2010
01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:38,600
I kind of want to just see a little guys like faction.

2011
01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:40,600
You know, you got the Watchers in the Dark.

2012
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:42,600
You got like the small, the small boys.

2013
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:44,600
I just want to see small kings.

2014
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:46,600
Short kings, legion please.

2015
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,600
I think that was supposed to be the Tao and then they fell into the Mecha trap.

2016
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,600
And then they became like blue cow-hooved weeaboos.

2017
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,600
The thing is, I know what you mean.

2018
01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:00,600
I'd quite like, I feel like the setting would work really well if we had two more factions.

2019
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:05,600
Because like you say, Colin, the Tao have now become this like alien conglomeration, which is cool within its own right.

2020
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:10,600
But like just two more smallish Xenos factions that aren't like galaxy ending threats.

2021
01:54:10,600 --> 01:54:13,600
They're just kind of like out in the outer rim doing their thing.

2022
01:54:13,600 --> 01:54:17,600
And yeah, just, they're just cool in their own right.

2023
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:21,600
Donation by Lutti McShootie, who says to piss off the Eldar player in the room.

2024
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:25,600
Do you think that rush to accidentally save Isha from a certain jar?

2025
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,600
Or would it be funny if Commander Farse?

2026
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,600
I beg of you, let the Eldar have something.

2027
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:33,600
Please let someone else not interrupt their story.

2028
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:35,600
Here's the crux of this, Colin.

2029
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:43,600
If the Space Wolves saved Isha and then they had a collaborative element, would you be mad?

2030
01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:45,600
Because you're like, Isha, you would.

2031
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:47,600
Okay.

2032
01:54:47,600 --> 01:54:49,600
Horrible.

2033
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:50,600
Can we talk about the bugs again?

2034
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:51,600
Yeah, next novel.

2035
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:53,600
Ruin Storm.

2036
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:55,600
I like Ruin Storm.

2037
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:56,600
It is good.

2038
01:54:56,600 --> 01:54:58,600
Witty enough, it has the worst cover art.

2039
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:05,600
Again, it's one of those things where, yeah, I love how they changed the lion's hair color because they're like, oh, we've just made three blonde primers.

2040
01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:08,600
It looks like Dog the Bounty Hunter. What's going on?

2041
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:14,600
I think again, you kind of have to have read Herald of Sanguineous or you're like, who the fuck is this guy?

2042
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,600
The Herald of Sanguineous that keeps popping up.

2043
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:19,600
But that's not Askelon.

2044
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,600
As for point.

2045
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:24,600
What officially is?

2046
01:55:24,600 --> 01:55:26,600
No, it's not Askelon.

2047
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:28,600
Askelon is not the Herald of Sanguineous.

2048
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:33,600
Askelon crowns the Herald, well, makes the Herald of Sanguineous.

2049
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:38,600
He's also not Alatron, before anybody says.

2050
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:40,600
That's just what the wiki says.

2051
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:42,600
Yeah, it's a short story.

2052
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:44,600
It's very good.

2053
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:46,600
It takes you through.

2054
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:51,600
And yeah, but outside of it, it's very good and takes you real throwback to the start of the heresies.

2055
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:53,600
They go to Davin.

2056
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:56,600
Where Horus was corrupted.

2057
01:55:56,600 --> 01:56:02,600
There's only there's one bit in it, which I think the author got to throw into this book, which is nowhere else.

2058
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:08,600
Like, I don't know if people would ever mention it, but when they arrive at Davin, it's surrounded by like a boat.

2059
01:56:08,600 --> 01:56:12,600
First of all, the scale in this book is just a very quick few things.

2060
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:14,600
They meet like a wall.

2061
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:19,600
All the ultramarines, dark angels and blood angels, they're in their fleet.

2062
01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:21,600
They're trying to get it to Terra.

2063
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:26,600
They meet like a wall of chaos energy and like flesh and stuff.

2064
01:56:26,600 --> 01:56:30,600
And it's like it looks like it expands the entire galaxy.

2065
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:32,600
And they're like, what the hell is that?

2066
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:35,600
It's just a warp construct thing to stop them from getting through.

2067
01:56:35,600 --> 01:56:38,600
They actually have to land on it and see to tower.

2068
01:56:38,600 --> 01:56:45,600
And they eventually get past that to then something called like called the graveyard of something.

2069
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:55,600
But they arrive at Davin and it's surrounded by the graveyard, like the bones, like ossified ships, like Eldar ships from the fall.

2070
01:56:55,600 --> 01:57:02,600
It's around by the basically this is the death and like bones of every civilization that's ever died.

2071
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:06,600
And they go like, what the hell is this thing? And it's like ever expanding.

2072
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:11,600
And they finally arrive on Davin. And then suddenly things goes collapses in on itself and it's all rushing towards Davin.

2073
01:57:11,600 --> 01:57:14,600
Weird stuff in this book that people forget about.

2074
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:20,600
But very enjoyable. And then Gilman Sanguin gets dragged into the warp for a little beat up.

2075
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:25,600
And then Gilman and the lion start attacking architecture to get it.

2076
01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:27,600
That's basically the novel. That's it.

2077
01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:29,600
I really enjoy it though.

2078
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:37,600
I would say as well, all you fans of the Sanguinis falling to the Black Rage theory that unfortunately never came about in the end of the death.

2079
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,600
But if you like that theory, this is the book for you.

2080
01:57:39,600 --> 01:57:44,600
This is the book where Sanguinis actually falls to the Black Rage and it is a pretty epic scene.

2081
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,600
I'm happy where it is on the tier list though, because that's.

2082
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,600
Yeah, I wouldn't say. Yeah, I wouldn't say it's for the best.

2083
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:51,600
I can't put it higher or lower.

2084
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,600
Yeah, it was it was like it had to be done type thing.

2085
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,600
Yeah, but it was I liked that book a lot.

2086
01:57:57,600 --> 01:58:00,600
I like Wolfsbane. Wolfsbane. I like this one.

2087
01:58:00,600 --> 01:58:02,600
Quite enjoyable book.

2088
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,600
Fantastically written. Makes no fucking sense.

2089
01:58:05,600 --> 01:58:10,600
They have to come up with a reason as to why Leman Ross is not at the Siege of Terror.

2090
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:20,600
And this is the book. But it does how it's written and like the going back to Fenris and the stuff with Bjorn and all that kind of thing is so is genuinely fantastic.

2091
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:22,600
Belisarius is cool. Great. Love it.

2092
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,600
But like the plot line makes no fucking sense.

2093
01:58:25,600 --> 01:58:32,600
I just like I like that the wolves doing something and they're like, we're going to put the runes and we're going to put them in this and then the knights are and get involved.

2094
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:39,600
Any any book that the knights aren't are involved in like that's my boys and his copium for the knights are.

2095
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:48,600
I haven't read them. They do a good job. They have the best as far as like the best as Garvey or being like, oh, and always like, come on, come back.

2096
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:53,600
He's like, no, dad and Garrow with that's in our eventual spirit.

2097
01:58:53,600 --> 01:58:56,600
Yeah, yeah, but it's a continuation of their story arc.

2098
01:58:56,600 --> 01:59:02,600
Like Knights Errant are the best. We love them. They're around. What's the next one?

2099
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:08,600
The next one is slaves to darkness. We're going to rally at Ullinor and then do a hammer blow.

2100
01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:15,600
You know what? Again, this one, I think top of B, because it's the same problem of cool scenes.

2101
01:59:15,600 --> 01:59:19,600
I wouldn't reread the book kind of low key for getting.

2102
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:26,600
Yeah, that's what you're saying. Yeah, no, that's fair. Yeah. Basically, again, it's like we're getting towards the end of the heresy and they're like, oh shit.

2103
01:59:26,600 --> 01:59:29,600
We need to go get anger on Fulgrim.

2104
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:35,600
And then Perderabin somehow like gets anger on in demon form. It's like do as you're told.

2105
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:43,600
You know what? It's not better than Fulgrim. So put it below Fulgrim in the list. But I think that's that's fair.

2106
01:59:43,600 --> 01:59:50,600
Next one to go to left Titan.

2107
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:53,600
Hey, Titans.

2108
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:59,600
It's like it's like the last like big battle before the siege of terror.

2109
01:59:59,600 --> 02:00:03,600
And it's pretty cool. You get sanguineous doing epic stuff.

2110
02:00:03,600 --> 02:00:05,600
Khan's there, I think.

2111
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:10,600
Is this the one where he ganks a Titan with his spear?

2112
02:00:10,600 --> 02:00:13,600
He does that.

2113
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:15,600
Yeah, is in.

2114
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:20,600
Yeah, I want to say Warhawk, but I'm not actually sure on that.

2115
02:00:20,600 --> 02:00:22,600
I should have thought it might be earlier on.

2116
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:28,600
Where would you put it in the list?

2117
02:00:28,600 --> 02:00:32,600
Yeah, I think telling how strongly you feel about it.

2118
02:00:32,600 --> 02:00:39,600
It's not filler because I think it is like a pretty, pretty important part.

2119
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:45,600
Yeah, I would say B tier. I think maybe maybe above Angels of Caliban.

2120
02:00:45,600 --> 02:00:47,600
Yeah.

2121
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:50,600
And then the last one.

2122
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:55,600
Here's the thing. They have Knight's Errand in this one. So I'm going to put in A tier just as a whole.

2123
02:00:55,600 --> 02:00:56,600
It's a good book.

2124
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:57,600
It's a great book.

2125
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:02,600
This is, weirdly enough, I don't know why they waited this long for this book to be in.

2126
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:04,600
Why is this the last siege of terror book?

2127
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:09,600
I think it's because it's Grey Knights. This book leads into the creation of the Grey Knights.

2128
02:01:09,600 --> 02:01:16,600
And so I get what you mean because it's like it's kind of like a Death Guard origin because this is one of the big retcons of the heresies.

2129
02:01:16,600 --> 02:01:23,600
They have Mortari and Ascend before the siege so they can have all four human Primarchs that are specific to one God at the siege.

2130
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:31,600
And so they wanted to do that with Garrow's story, which was going to be connected to the Knight's Errand story, which is the Grey Knight story.

2131
02:01:31,600 --> 02:01:41,600
And the Grey Knight story is really big. So they wanted to put that last, which ends up by Connection making the Mortari and Ascension story the final book.

2132
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:51,600
If that makes sense. But yeah, it's kind of odd. Titan Death is more like, oh, after the Titan Death is over, it's like in the final frontier is terror.

2133
02:01:51,600 --> 02:02:10,600
It's a strange book because it's like I understand that they want to have the Grey Knights ready and it makes sense to have a parallel between here is Garrow, who's like the most important character, arguably in the whole Horus Heresy series and his Legion of Origin.

2134
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:17,600
But it is a strange way to end it, shall we say. And Typhus just being like, I'm going to be sneaky and make it worse.

2135
02:02:17,600 --> 02:02:18,600
It is fun though, to be fair.

2136
02:02:18,600 --> 02:02:21,600
It's a really good book, but it's just a strange way to end it.

2137
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:25,600
For the people who don't like Mortarion, it's because you haven't read this book.

2138
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:33,600
And when you finish this book, you won't like him.

2139
02:02:33,600 --> 02:02:48,600
Because the book is interspersed, I'm pretty sure, with the stuff on Barbarus, as Typhus and Mortarion kind of do their rebellion.

2140
02:02:48,600 --> 02:02:55,600
And so it made me feel much more about their relationship.

2141
02:02:55,600 --> 02:03:08,600
Because before then I was like Typhus or Typhon is just like a bastard. But actually, he is a bastard, but he is in such a way I actually started to feel for Mortarion a bit, which is kind of interesting.

2142
02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:17,600
And I will say as well, this book is one of those books where it's not epic like Master of Mankind is epic, but it's epic in minor, smallish ways.

2143
02:03:17,600 --> 02:03:27,600
Like you have Sisters of Silence talking, and you find out why Malkador is actually pretty fucking evil, and all these kind of things that really stick with you, if that makes sense.

2144
02:03:27,600 --> 02:03:31,600
But it's not like Sanguine has taken that time.

2145
02:03:31,600 --> 02:03:38,600
I'm pretty happy with the list though. My life has led to this moment.

2146
02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:43,600
I was worried we were going to have too much in this test, but that's really interesting.

2147
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:48,600
Colin, do you think you actually have... I love Talon!

2148
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:51,600
I love Colin. You were Abel!

2149
02:03:51,600 --> 02:03:58,600
Do you think out of all that list there Colin, would you pick any book you'd pick probably like to actually go into?

2150
02:03:58,600 --> 02:04:04,600
I would probably pick No No Fear.

2151
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:09,600
Oh that's a good book. I like McGilliman.

2152
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:21,600
Mechanicum is probably second place because it's mostly about the Mechanicum, and I don't need to do too much reading about Space Marines being Space Marines.

2153
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:33,600
I guess for a third I'd probably pick... I can't... I don't even remember the name of it. The one with Corvett, Corus flying towards the cover looking all broody.

2154
02:04:33,600 --> 02:04:34,600
Deliverance Lost.

2155
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:43,600
Not even because I think it's a good book. I just think it's like a rite of passage. You need to be disappointed by the Raven Guard at least once.

2156
02:04:43,600 --> 02:04:49,600
Yeah. I wish my Thousand Sons novels were better.

2157
02:04:49,600 --> 02:04:52,600
Probably Talon too, but again...

2158
02:04:52,600 --> 02:05:04,600
I'd be interested to see actually without the anthologies in it because they are just anthologies and whenever you get to one of them in the heresy you do just go...

2159
02:05:04,600 --> 02:05:06,600
Brody.

2160
02:05:06,600 --> 02:05:13,600
Because listen to the thing, we've said it like a couple of times, there are like random anthologies that you're like, oh this is actually really important.

2161
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:20,600
Like you're like, oh if you don't read the anthologies you'll be like, sorry why is Curse with the lion? Why are these exactly?

2162
02:05:20,600 --> 02:05:23,600
So you do kind of have to read them, but they're not things you look forward to.

2163
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:29,600
Has everyone seen that tier list thing where it shows you... it's the spread document of how to read the Horus heresy in the Order.

2164
02:05:29,600 --> 02:05:31,600
I have.

2165
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:35,600
The massive like spreadsheet where it shows you like, do you want to follow a faction?

2166
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:39,600
Yeah. That's a problem.

2167
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:43,600
It's still not as bad as Marathon lore.

2168
02:05:43,600 --> 02:05:45,600
I can't even handle it.

2169
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:52,600
Oh my god. I think that was a pretty long one to be fair though. I don't know if we've got... oh there's a siege of terror.

2170
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:54,600
We've only got a siege of terror.

2171
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:57,600
I've read one of these quarts, Colin.

2172
02:05:57,600 --> 02:05:58,600
So close.

2173
02:05:58,600 --> 02:06:00,600
It's only a little bit.

2174
02:06:00,600 --> 02:06:01,600
It's fine.

2175
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:07,600
The first three, Solo War I can remember, the second two and three blend together a little bit for me, I'll be real with you.

2176
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:10,600
D, D, there you go.

2177
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:19,600
I remember Perth Rabo does his great play, which is to have a fucking idiot command the Dread Enforcers on.

2178
02:06:19,600 --> 02:06:23,600
What were the sons of Selenar? That one can go and see.

2179
02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:26,600
Yeah, it's not bad.

2180
02:06:26,600 --> 02:06:29,600
But why is it a siege of terror?

2181
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:32,600
Sass 9, boing.

2182
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:34,600
Just again, it's just fucking porn.

2183
02:06:34,600 --> 02:06:44,600
It's so... the kill teams, Dawn versus Fulgrim, just Dark Angels show up, spoilers.

2184
02:06:44,600 --> 02:06:47,600
It's just so good.

2185
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:49,600
This is very much like youth.

2186
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:50,600
We've got two donations.

2187
02:06:50,600 --> 02:06:52,600
Thank you.

2188
02:06:52,600 --> 02:07:01,600
So we've got Centurion Crunch for $19.99 saying, Ed, back on law crimes. Today is indeed ex a food day.

2189
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:09,600
Andy, I think it would be poetic if you appeared as a VTuber instead of wearing the mask on Veeam.

2190
02:07:09,600 --> 02:07:12,600
How dare the... whoa.

2191
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:15,600
Oh, and now it's been retracted. Fair enough.

2192
02:07:15,600 --> 02:07:24,600
Jeremy Golden for five pounds has said, kind of off topic, but would you guys ever do a painting contest between you?

2193
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:28,600
I think we talked about that in the earliest days of law crimes ideas.

2194
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:29,600
Yeah.

2195
02:07:29,600 --> 02:07:31,600
We'll see.

2196
02:07:31,600 --> 02:07:34,600
Do we get to use all the tools we have because I have an airbrush?

2197
02:07:34,600 --> 02:07:37,600
No, it would be brush and paintbrush.

2198
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:39,600
Keep it raw.

2199
02:07:39,600 --> 02:07:43,600
It's all right, Howard. I glazed that.

2200
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:45,600
Lots and lots of things, coats.

2201
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:49,600
Here's what I made earlier.

2202
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:51,600
That's Art Attack.

2203
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:55,600
Fury of Magnus. I actually quite like this one.

2204
02:07:55,600 --> 02:07:59,600
Yeah, it redeemed Magnus a lot in my eyes.

2205
02:07:59,600 --> 02:08:00,600
Good dialogue.

2206
02:08:00,600 --> 02:08:04,600
I like Primarchs that love their sons. I'm just a sucker for it.

2207
02:08:04,600 --> 02:08:06,600
Is that one more?

2208
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:08,600
Turing Crunch donated another $19.99.

2209
02:08:08,600 --> 02:08:09,600
Lower than Raphael.

2210
02:08:09,600 --> 02:08:10,600
Surely.

2211
02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:12,600
Typos. Love you guys.

2212
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:15,600
Thank you, Centurion. Thank you very much.

2213
02:08:15,600 --> 02:08:17,600
What's the next one, Andy?

2214
02:08:17,600 --> 02:08:19,600
Mortis.

2215
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:21,600
I'd say lower than Magnus.

2216
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:23,600
Top of C.

2217
02:08:23,600 --> 02:08:25,600
Warhawk.

2218
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:28,600
This is the only one I read and it was freaking awesome.

2219
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:29,600
Best.

2220
02:08:29,600 --> 02:08:31,600
You know why it's the best, Evo?

2221
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:33,600
Because it's got Jagatai and the White Star.

2222
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:34,600
Yes, it does.

2223
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:38,600
I would say the next five, I'd go Warhawk.

2224
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,600
I can't say no.

2225
02:08:40,600 --> 02:08:42,600
They're just epic.

2226
02:08:42,600 --> 02:08:44,600
Garrow one.

2227
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:46,600
I haven't read it yet.

2228
02:08:46,600 --> 02:08:48,600
I love Garrow.

2229
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:50,600
I was worried that I wouldn't read it.

2230
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:52,600
I'm with Andy.

2231
02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:54,600
I'm not saying that just for saying that.

2232
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:58,600
I'm like, honestly, it's such a nice resolution where it's like,

2233
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:05,600
there's no BS power level stuff.

2234
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:07,600
It is a bit indulgent.

2235
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:10,600
Pull yourself down the blade thing.

2236
02:09:10,600 --> 02:09:13,600
Because that happens in those top two novels up there.

2237
02:09:13,600 --> 02:09:15,600
That happens exactly the same.

2238
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:17,600
But Garrow doesn't kill Mortarion.

2239
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:19,600
He just has a dignified death.

2240
02:09:19,600 --> 02:09:21,600
And that's good.

2241
02:09:21,600 --> 02:09:23,600
I think that's a good point.

2242
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:25,600
I think that's a good point.

2243
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:27,600
I think that's a good point as well.

2244
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:30,600
It's how Garrow's story builds into this death really nicely.

2245
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:32,600
It's a very beautiful ending.

2246
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:38,600
Yeah.

2247
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:41,600
And it's that whole thing of honor and valor and not being a silly

2248
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:42,600
Billy.

2249
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:43,600
Thank you.

2250
02:09:43,600 --> 02:09:44,600
Liam.

2251
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:47,600
Culling name who says Colin is stuck in 30 K.

2252
02:09:47,600 --> 02:09:52,600
I'm going to have to say Colin.

2253
02:09:52,600 --> 02:09:54,600
We have revenge on the next one.

2254
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:55,600
Echoes of eternity.

2255
02:09:55,600 --> 02:09:56,600
Okay.

2256
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:57,600
That's the lowest I can feel.

2257
02:09:57,600 --> 02:09:59,600
And the volume too.

2258
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:02,600
And the volume too, I feel maybe.

2259
02:10:02,600 --> 02:10:04,600
May I say from this point on.

2260
02:10:04,600 --> 02:10:06,600
I've seen this a couple of times.

2261
02:10:06,600 --> 02:10:09,600
Just cause the book's long.

2262
02:10:09,600 --> 02:10:10,600
I did feel like a bit of a slog.

2263
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:11,600
I have not.

2264
02:10:11,600 --> 02:10:18,600
I have not.

2265
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:21,600
How could you have the dark King storyline and be reading through that

2266
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:22,600
novel?

2267
02:10:22,600 --> 02:10:23,600
Be like.

2268
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:24,600
This is a slow.

2269
02:10:24,600 --> 02:10:25,600
I'm still pretty inestimated.

2270
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:26,600
I just think the other two are like.

2271
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:27,600
The two are cream of the crop.

2272
02:10:27,600 --> 02:10:28,600
I was.

2273
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:29,600
I was.

2274
02:10:29,600 --> 02:10:30,600
I was the end of the death.

2275
02:10:30,600 --> 02:10:33,600
Three is was the worst of the three in terms of like a novel.

2276
02:10:33,600 --> 02:10:34,600
But.

2277
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:35,600
It's not deep.

2278
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:36,600
Oh no. Sorry.

2279
02:10:36,600 --> 02:10:38,600
It's still a boing gob, but it's just the worst.

2280
02:10:38,600 --> 02:10:41,600
I was like, I had, I did have a little bit of disappointment in terms of.

2281
02:10:41,600 --> 02:10:44,600
It's like someone saying, I got everything that I wanted.

2282
02:10:44,600 --> 02:10:45,600
But I was like, I was.

2283
02:10:45,600 --> 02:10:46,600
You know, I ordered a dessert.

2284
02:10:46,600 --> 02:10:48,600
I got exactly what I wanted from the audit, but I was like,

2285
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:51,600
Could they like maybe a bit of a sprinkle or something else on it?

2286
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:52,600
That's just a personal thing.

2287
02:10:52,600 --> 02:10:53,600
I feel like everything.

2288
02:10:53,600 --> 02:10:54,600
In the end of the death volume.

2289
02:10:54,600 --> 02:10:55,600
Three was like.

2290
02:10:55,600 --> 02:10:57,600
It happened exactly as I thought it was going to happen.

2291
02:10:57,600 --> 02:10:58,600
And I did.

2292
02:10:58,600 --> 02:10:59,600
I did.

2293
02:10:59,600 --> 02:11:00,600
Twist.

2294
02:11:00,600 --> 02:11:01,600
Yeah.

2295
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:02,600
No, I get what you mean.

2296
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:08,600
And I respect that Abnet a lot for that.

2297
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:09,600
Like I totally respect it.

2298
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:11,600
Not doing something just stupid for the sake of it,

2299
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:12,600
but I get what you're saying.

2300
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:13,600
Oh, he started.

2301
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:14,600
He can stop it.

2302
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:15,600
What about.

2303
02:11:15,600 --> 02:11:16,600
And then death too.

2304
02:11:16,600 --> 02:11:17,600
And I would say weirdly.

2305
02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:18,600
Weirdly.

2306
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:19,600
Within the death three, right?

2307
02:11:19,600 --> 02:11:21,600
So you know, I say Garrow's storyline kind of.

2308
02:11:21,600 --> 02:11:23,600
It all builds really nicely into his death.

2309
02:11:23,600 --> 02:11:24,600
Yeah.

2310
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:25,600
Old person's storyline.

2311
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:27,600
Like he has a storyline that takes him to that place,

2312
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:28,600
but it's not like he's like,

2313
02:11:28,600 --> 02:11:30,600
Oh, I'm going to go to the end of the death.

2314
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:32,600
Like, Oh, I'm going to go to the end of the death.

2315
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:33,600
Yeah.

2316
02:11:33,600 --> 02:11:34,600
He's like,

2317
02:11:34,600 --> 02:11:35,600
Oh, I'm going to go to the end of the death.

2318
02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:36,600
Yeah.

2319
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:37,600
And it's like,

2320
02:11:37,600 --> 02:11:38,600
And it's like,

2321
02:11:38,600 --> 02:11:39,600
It's like,

2322
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:41,600
It's like the storyline that takes him to that place,

2323
02:11:41,600 --> 02:11:42,600
but it's not very natural.

2324
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:43,600
I would find.

2325
02:11:43,600 --> 02:11:44,600
I would say, so for example,

2326
02:11:44,600 --> 02:11:46,600
his attitude towards the emperor just changes very quickly.

2327
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:47,600
And he believes in the volume two.

2328
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:48,600
And it turns around, comes back.

2329
02:11:48,600 --> 02:11:49,600
And it's like,

2330
02:11:49,600 --> 02:11:50,600
This is a very odd, it's a bit disjointed.

2331
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:51,600
It's all it's almost like.

2332
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:52,600
It's almost like.

2333
02:11:52,600 --> 02:11:54,600
They'd planned out maybe a different plot line and then.

2334
02:11:54,600 --> 02:11:55,600
Move things around.

2335
02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:57,600
I did think that perhaps they weren't playing tab.

2336
02:11:57,600 --> 02:11:59,600
It has three books.

2337
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:01,600
It just went like for Colin, it went on too long.

2338
02:12:01,600 --> 02:12:06,600
I would put money that it was supposed to be two at most.

2339
02:12:06,600 --> 02:12:07,600
And GW went like,

2340
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:10,600
Yes, but we're finishing the Horus heresy.

2341
02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:12,600
With this money train cannot end yet.

2342
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:13,600
But are we?

2343
02:12:13,600 --> 02:12:14,600
We're not going to conclude it.

2344
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:16,600
Maybe Dan Abnett was probably like,

2345
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:18,600
I just got to, I've got to, you know what I mean?

2346
02:12:18,600 --> 02:12:20,600
Like he has to tie up 60 books worth of thread.

2347
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:21,600
To be fair.

2348
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:25,600
Can we give a shout out to Dan Abnett for not only like starting the series,

2349
02:12:25,600 --> 02:12:30,600
but also like having like millions of people with baited breath waiting on,

2350
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:34,600
Hey, I know it's been 40 years of this.

2351
02:12:34,600 --> 02:12:36,600
Finish.

2352
02:12:36,600 --> 02:12:38,600
That's a big deal.

2353
02:12:38,600 --> 02:12:39,600
Yeah.

2354
02:12:39,600 --> 02:12:40,600
Sure.

2355
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:41,600
I think as well.

2356
02:12:41,600 --> 02:12:44,600
One last thing, which is kind of,

2357
02:12:44,600 --> 02:12:46,600
I guess like the,

2358
02:12:46,600 --> 02:12:48,600
really the end of this whole thing is like,

2359
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:51,600
I don't know how everyone's going to feel about this,

2360
02:12:51,600 --> 02:12:56,600
which is the fact that it's setting up a plot line that is now going to be

2361
02:12:56,600 --> 02:12:57,600
like, you know what I mean?

2362
02:12:57,600 --> 02:13:00,600
Like the whole book is set up a plot line in the,

2363
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:02,600
like the Beck were novels as well.

2364
02:13:02,600 --> 02:13:07,600
So it's, it's kind of this end of the siege of terror.

2365
02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:12,600
It's set up a 40 K timeline plot, which is like, Oh, so now I have to like,

2366
02:13:12,600 --> 02:13:16,600
I definitely felt like I wanted a bit more of like a, it's over.

2367
02:13:16,600 --> 02:13:17,600
We did it boys.

2368
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:19,600
And then, no, you know, you know,

2369
02:13:19,600 --> 02:13:23,600
the scattering of whatever can happen is fine.

2370
02:13:23,600 --> 02:13:26,600
But just, I wish it was a bit more, it's over.

2371
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:29,600
I don't like, because again, 40 K got a bit of a problem of like,

2372
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:31,600
but the settings always happening.

2373
02:13:31,600 --> 02:13:32,600
You know what I mean?

2374
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:33,600
Like it, but it's not over yet.

2375
02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:34,600
So.

2376
02:13:34,600 --> 02:13:36,600
Well, I mean, all right, to be fair on that one.

2377
02:13:36,600 --> 02:13:39,600
And I'm going to take a rare stance to defend the Horus hair.

2378
02:13:39,600 --> 02:13:40,600
This is a prequel.

2379
02:13:40,600 --> 02:13:43,600
There's 10,000 years more of in the future.

2380
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:46,600
Stuff kind of needs to still be happening because if it ended clean,

2381
02:13:46,600 --> 02:13:47,600
you'd be like, well,

2382
02:13:47,600 --> 02:13:50,600
So where's 40 K coming to this?

2383
02:13:50,600 --> 02:13:51,600
I get what you're talking about.

2384
02:13:51,600 --> 02:13:54,600
Cause I also think we're not used to games workshop,

2385
02:13:54,600 --> 02:13:58,600
putting story at the forefront of these settings.

2386
02:13:58,600 --> 02:14:01,600
Outside of just making a MacGuffin and then being like,

2387
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:02,600
this could come up in the future.

2388
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:07,600
But actually like, like, like these books are the end of the volume.

2389
02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:13,600
Three with Lily and chase with a Constantine Valados attitude change

2390
02:14:13,600 --> 02:14:17,600
with Aberdon, like with a Nuncia, like,

2391
02:14:17,600 --> 02:14:20,600
it was the amount of links between that book and Beckwith.

2392
02:14:20,600 --> 02:14:22,600
It is like fucking thought out.

2393
02:14:22,600 --> 02:14:25,600
He is clearly planned this down well.

2394
02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:26,600
And that is actually impressive.

2395
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:28,600
And not to be funny, like what,

2396
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:32,600
whatever fandom has the ability to say, Oh,

2397
02:14:32,600 --> 02:14:35,600
we only got 10 books this year.

2398
02:14:35,600 --> 02:14:38,600
We're really spoiled as far as a,

2399
02:14:38,600 --> 02:14:40,600
as far as a fandom goes.

2400
02:14:40,600 --> 02:14:44,600
And like, there are so many talented authors who've worked with the black

2401
02:14:44,600 --> 02:14:46,600
library and games workshop.

2402
02:14:46,600 --> 02:14:49,600
And yeah, obviously when the highs are highs and the lows are lows.

2403
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:50,600
Yeah.

2404
02:14:50,600 --> 02:14:53,600
But like there's some really good quality stuff.

2405
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:55,600
I also think that people are way too hot.

2406
02:14:55,600 --> 02:14:58,600
Like I think the reason the end of the death to people so harshly,

2407
02:14:58,600 --> 02:15:02,600
like I think people were just harsh on books because they're the nature of

2408
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:03,600
them is something.

2409
02:15:03,600 --> 02:15:05,600
So it's the same with like fall of Kadia.

2410
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:08,600
There are just a lot of characters in that book and there's a lot that has

2411
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:10,600
to happen in the novel.

2412
02:15:10,600 --> 02:15:11,600
It like, it's just a lot.

2413
02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:15,600
It is a lot to get to, but like, given that that's an immovable object,

2414
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:17,600
it is phenomenally well done.

2415
02:15:17,600 --> 02:15:21,600
And like, yeah, the actual,

2416
02:15:21,600 --> 02:15:22,600
the things that you,

2417
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:25,600
the things that you could like really cut out is actually not a lot.

2418
02:15:25,600 --> 02:15:28,600
If any book was going to be like, Oh,

2419
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:29,600
could we actually get a little bit more?

2420
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:31,600
I would say, give me a little bit more.

2421
02:15:31,600 --> 02:15:35,600
The reason I would say three is a little bit worse is because like the way

2422
02:15:35,600 --> 02:15:40,600
they kind of move so quickly after Horace

2423
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:42,600
falls, like was pretty shocking to me.

2424
02:15:42,600 --> 02:15:47,600
And like that, that was a bit surprising, but yeah,

2425
02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:50,600
like generally I was like, give me more.

2426
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:51,600
Yeah.

2427
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:52,600
I do it.

2428
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:57,600
I was, I bet my complaints are minor because it's still like no other

2429
02:15:57,600 --> 02:16:01,600
franchise quite hits as hard as like that.

2430
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:02,600
And like someone who has read,

2431
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:06,600
if you, I don't read every single Horace Heresy book or my novel,

2432
02:16:06,600 --> 02:16:07,600
you know what I mean?

2433
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:11,600
But just like, like from the, from Horace rising to now,

2434
02:16:11,600 --> 02:16:13,600
whole the, you know what I mean?

2435
02:16:13,600 --> 02:16:17,600
It's like, is there one here read anything from like Brandon Sanderson,

2436
02:16:17,600 --> 02:16:19,600
Stormlight Archive.

2437
02:16:19,600 --> 02:16:23,600
And like the Horace Heresy has the same vibe as that author where it's like,

2438
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:27,600
man, I just wanted like, I want to see my family and like see my kids,

2439
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:31,600
but the law and the novel's being dropped right now.

2440
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:32,600
Yeah.

2441
02:16:32,600 --> 02:16:35,600
But I think, I think that's a good place to like, sort of,

2442
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:37,600
is everyone happy with that tier this far?

2443
02:16:37,600 --> 02:16:40,600
Is everyone happy with the conclusion there?

2444
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:44,600
I think we've had, we've had nearly two and a half hours of poor

2445
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:45,600
Horace Heresy.

2446
02:16:45,600 --> 02:16:46,600
Wow.

2447
02:16:46,600 --> 02:16:47,600
Yeah.

2448
02:16:47,600 --> 02:16:48,600
We were talking.

2449
02:16:48,600 --> 02:16:49,600
Four sisters.

2450
02:16:49,600 --> 02:16:53,600
I only have two final remarks.

2451
02:16:53,600 --> 02:16:57,600
Paul Collin who has suffered.

2452
02:16:57,600 --> 02:17:01,600
The Fulgrum book should have been an S tier.

2453
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:02,600
Thank you.

2454
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:05,600
Because it sets up Eldred's most important characteristic.

2455
02:17:05,600 --> 02:17:09,600
Which is he gets a whole, he gets a whole lot of Eldar killed,

2456
02:17:09,600 --> 02:17:13,600
goes home to Ulthwe and gaslights everyone into thinking this was the

2457
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:15,600
correct choice of action.

2458
02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:18,600
Which shows up a little bit in the end of death volumes.

2459
02:17:18,600 --> 02:17:24,600
And other than that, I'd like to make fun of it.

2460
02:17:24,600 --> 02:17:27,600
I don't think the Horace Heresy, I don't think is bad because if it was

2461
02:17:27,600 --> 02:17:30,600
bad, we've got 60 fucking books out of it.

2462
02:17:30,600 --> 02:17:31,600
Yeah.

2463
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:32,600
Yeah.

2464
02:17:32,600 --> 02:17:33,600
Yeah.

2465
02:17:33,600 --> 02:17:36,600
I mean, and to be honest, it is, it is the thing to this day.

2466
02:17:36,600 --> 02:17:39,600
There's a big difference between Age of Sigmar and 40K.

2467
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:40,600
Collin, you might have noticed.

2468
02:17:40,600 --> 02:17:44,600
And in terms of popularity, Age of Sigmar is still very far from

2469
02:17:44,600 --> 02:17:45,600
catching up.

2470
02:17:45,600 --> 02:17:49,600
This is the difference is the Horace Heresy is genuinely like,

2471
02:17:49,600 --> 02:17:51,600
one of the things I say about 40K is that it has,

2472
02:17:51,600 --> 02:17:54,600
I'm doing a video on Leto at the moment.

2473
02:17:54,600 --> 02:17:57,600
And what I think I say about 40K is it has no right to be as good as it is.

2474
02:17:57,600 --> 02:17:59,600
Like Leto is like a joke.

2475
02:17:59,600 --> 02:18:03,600
This is just a ridiculous joke where like the first ever space marine made

2476
02:18:03,600 --> 02:18:04,600
was called LE2.

2477
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:07,600
And Dan Abnett went, lol, I'll make that a character.

2478
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:12,600
And it's genuinely an epically important character that does so much.

2479
02:18:12,600 --> 02:18:15,600
And it's just kind of like, how is this so good?

2480
02:18:15,600 --> 02:18:16,600
This makes no sense.

2481
02:18:16,600 --> 02:18:19,600
Like if you look at the naming of 40K, the naming is so well over the place.

2482
02:18:19,600 --> 02:18:22,600
And then you have like five books called Slaves to Darkness.

2483
02:18:22,600 --> 02:18:23,600
It's just crazy.

2484
02:18:23,600 --> 02:18:25,600
One of them is a fantasy book.

2485
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:27,600
Yeah, it's genuinely great.

2486
02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:29,600
It's so amazing that we are spoiled.

2487
02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:34,600
Are you telling me you don't like your iron hands leading your iron hands to have iron hands?

2488
02:18:34,600 --> 02:18:35,600
Yeah, exactly.

2489
02:18:35,600 --> 02:18:38,600
I think that extent like the Horace Heresy itself too,

2490
02:18:38,600 --> 02:18:42,600
like isn't the Horace Heresy as a concept only exists?

2491
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:45,600
Because early in GW's history, they wanted to sell boxes,

2492
02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:47,600
but they only had space marine sculpts.

2493
02:18:47,600 --> 02:18:50,600
Well, why are we selling a kit that's one arm?

2494
02:18:50,600 --> 02:18:52,600
Make the best of a bad situation.

2495
02:18:52,600 --> 02:18:54,600
You're like, well, okay, Civil War.

2496
02:18:54,600 --> 02:18:55,600
What can we do with this?

2497
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:59,600
And then what they can do with this is 80 books.

2498
02:18:59,600 --> 02:19:04,600
I have to say though, thank you so much everyone who was along with us on that journey.

2499
02:19:04,600 --> 02:19:09,600
If you made it again, we should always say it's the beginning, but please let us know.

2500
02:19:09,600 --> 02:19:10,600
Eli, join me.

2501
02:19:10,600 --> 02:19:14,600
Thank you everyone who was donating throughout the stream.

2502
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:15,600
We appreciate that.

2503
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:20,600
And we'll hopefully call on guests to pick the next one because we put them through that.

2504
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:22,600
Yeah, enough.

2505
02:19:22,600 --> 02:19:28,600
It's going to be Xenos T-List and we'll have to, we'll put you into that.

2506
02:19:28,600 --> 02:19:30,600
Again, thank you very much for listening and watching.

2507
02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:33,600
Thank you, Ed, for agreeing to come on in.

2508
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:34,600
Thank you very much for joining us.

2509
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:38,600
Thank you. I wouldn't dominate too much or anything like that.

2510
02:19:38,600 --> 02:19:42,600
One final vastly important question.

2511
02:19:42,600 --> 02:19:46,600
What's your favorite zombies map?

2512
02:19:46,600 --> 02:19:49,600
I don't pay card very much.

2513
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:50,600
Sorry.

2514
02:19:50,600 --> 02:20:00,600
I was going to pay like friends has I got a big incident was a lockdown, but that was it.

2515
02:20:00,600 --> 02:20:02,600
Have you done that as a tier list?

2516
02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:03,600
Yeah.

2517
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:04,600
Yeah.

2518
02:20:04,600 --> 02:20:09,600
So we had to see what your favorite epic rap.

2519
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:14,600
Yeah, that's the lingering epic rap battles of history.

2520
02:20:14,600 --> 02:20:17,600
Oh, oh, I haven't watched it.

2521
02:20:17,600 --> 02:20:19,600
I've been watching for like years.

2522
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:20,600
They're very old.

2523
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:21,600
They're still going.

2524
02:20:21,600 --> 02:20:22,600
Yeah, they're still going.

2525
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:23,600
They're still going.

2526
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:26,600
How many have they done?

2527
02:20:26,600 --> 02:20:27,600
Over 50.

2528
02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:37,600
But the new ones, I got to be honest guys, the new ones are kind of mid, but like the older ones with like weirdo Yankovitch and Key and Peele S tier.

2529
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:40,600
The new ones I saw the Henry Ford versus Carl Marx.

2530
02:20:40,600 --> 02:20:45,600
I was like, very clever lyrics, but the beats mid.

2531
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:46,600
The beat counts.

2532
02:20:46,600 --> 02:20:47,600
The beat is important.

2533
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:51,600
If the beat sucks, it doesn't matter how clever you are.

2534
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:53,600
Should we do one for 40k at some point?

2535
02:20:53,600 --> 02:20:55,600
That could be really fun.

2536
02:20:55,600 --> 02:20:58,600
I was saying I had a vision of a lore crimes epic rap battle.

2537
02:20:58,600 --> 02:21:01,600
Epic lore crimes of history.

2538
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:06,600
We probably can't steal the format.

2539
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:09,600
With that being said though, thank you again so much, Ed, for joining us.

2540
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:14,600
And thank you so much for watching and we'll catch you guys on the next one.

2541
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:15,600
Peace.

2542
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:16,600
Bye everyone.

2543
02:21:16,600 --> 02:21:17,600
Bye everyone.

2544
02:21:17,600 --> 02:21:20,600
Love you.

2545
02:21:20,600 --> 02:21:42,600
Oh man.

2546
02:21:50,600 --> 02:21:55,600
Bye.