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How are you all? Still says it, but hope not, we are alive. We are alive. I didn't lie.
We exist. Awesome. We praise Boing God, as we'll have to explain that in a bit. But we do have a guest today here helping us.
Well, we don't watch Warhammer for anything other than the plot. Sisters of Battle, all lore for Sisters of Battle is just about the plot.
Arthur Bones is joining us today, lads. Arthur, Connor, well, we won't explain that.
Arthur, how are you? Welcome to The Snorkhimes. Hey, Arthur. How are you? Hi everyone, I'm here. If you hear them call me Connor, that's because my name is actually Connor, and it's not actually Arthur.
And I have had to explain that in every single podcast, every single stream and every single time I've shown up to pretty much anyone. But yeah, got invited on. I'm excited to likely get into a fistfight over either Eldar or dwarves, probably something like that.
Oh yeah, I'm here for that. That's based on Galactic. By the way, just make sure to let us know that you can hear Connor, just because we have a bit of a track record for sometimes having questionable audio levels.
Questionable audio. He'll be joining us through audio though. Yeah.
To explain, by the way, praise be to Boyingob, he's our sponsor of these streams. Boyingob, Connor, Arthur, is essentially in Age of Sigma, he is the father of all squigs.
And he only has like a sentence of lore where he basically in the early age of myth, I think, briefly got rotisserie chickened, and then that was it. Like he's just, he died immediately.
He died because he tried to eat the sun. Yes. He is an enormous squig, he died for our sins. And that's essentially the sponsor.
And since he's been brought to our attention, I've now got a little framed picture I keep next to my bed, and I kiss it before I go to bed each night.
Wait, he has a picture? Yeah. Yeah.
I'm looking this up. Let me see if I've got a picture. I'll put it in the... The fact that you have not made a video yet on Boyingob is quite the travesty.
It's honestly heretical. People in the chat knows who the Boyingob is. You need to convert to the squig father. You need to convert, Arthur. You need to be part of Boyingob.
He's the squigsire. You're a squig now, you're a squig now. This guy.
DJ Beast, there is a new background poster. Yes. There's actually no one coming as well for me, because this background is about as white as a police station.
I was going to... Ray had a kind offer by an artist in the community to actually make a new piece of the background, so that'll be cool.
And I'll give him a... We'll have a big shout out and a special showcase of that, if it, you know, and when it hopefully comes.
So the day guys, though. I also have a new poster. Oh, which one? It's Ronnie.
Oh, Ronnie right above the bed. Made the bed for Ronnie.
There's an ongoing joke, Connor, about how DJ Beast is in the chat. He's always pointing out how Connor...
Oh, god, how Colin never makes the bed, but then recently he started making the bed. This has been like two months straight.
Earlier in the chat, Zarno donated two dollars saying the bed is made, guys, we're good. The bed is made. Thank you.
And we've had 15 squigglies from Incoming Backup saying, I am his prophet. Know his glory, Mr. Bone. Know his glory. Praise Boyingob.
It was Incoming Backup who introduced us to Boyingob. Yes. I just want you to know the theological discourse that comes from the idea that squigs know how to worship and also are cognition enough to recognize the idea of a god is both harrowing and confusing to me.
Such as Boyingob's majesty. Something like that. Yeah. Something like that.
Do you reckon squigs are like, is it below the line like how dogs, they'll eat crap? Like, do squigs eat, like, are they the level of sentience where they know not to eat crap or?
I think they're just a mouth with legs. I don't think they really think about what goes in. Yeah, they're not like Gordon Ramsay just going by like, oh, oh, oh, dickhead, dickhead. It's raw. It's raw.
Gandhi's flip flop. But speaking of today's stream, we'll be talking about the most important things that is currently, well, this place got.
Appreciate that. The most current, well, it's one more like current up to date plots that are currently going on in a modern 40k lore. We're not doing the horrors heresy plots because.
Too much. We actually have like families to go back to. So we're going to do a tier list today of the modern or, you know, 40k plots all about the plots, boys.
And we'll be going to be ranking them and I guess measuring it off of kind of how interesting and how cool it is rather than sort of impact on the universe.
Because again, some of these are just, well, maybe you can include. I mean, no, no, no, that's that's fine. I like judging things based on how sick is out, you know, rad they are rather than impact.
But, you know, some of the complaints I have are going to have to get switched around a bit. Yes. I decided to get into a fist fight with all of you over very minute and trivial details.
Good, good. We wouldn't be Warhammer fans if we didn't do just that. But Andy, do you want to lead, like, take us away with what is the first plot line?
So I'm sorry, everyone. We're starting with the Tao. This one is the fourth and fifth spheres of expansion.
I don't know what's exciting about that. I don't need.
The reason that these two boy are grouped together is because the force fear was the one in town where they basically went, guys, it's a new like Tao crusade with so we've got this new hyperdrive things.
It's going to be so amazing. And then they essentially blew up in front of the entire Tao species. They were like, that's cringe.
Wipe that from the collective memory of people gaslight. That didn't happen. And so they these are those force vehicle lost in the warp and then they had to get pushed out by the massive like multi armed Tao entity.
And they also without their theory was I do believe they started purging all the Xenos allies in their ranks. They got a bit fascist.
The fifth sphere was the one they sent to chase after it immediately. And then they came across the force fear and they're like, that's pretty horrific. You guys.
What the fuck happened? You know, you guys essentially betrayed the Tao bar and then they fought some death guard. Yeah, big whoops.
By the way, we got $1 donation from Silas Al Gorek. Thank you very much. And a gaming storyteller gave us a five euro saying boing gov my beloved. Thank you.
Thank you, brother. Thanks, bro. Hi, Silas. He's a regular in like my circles. I don't know if he's around here. I don't know.
I do want to add I like how Tao lore. Yeah, it's obviously a D like that's what I would have put to but Tao lore is quite literally like the literally who of all of 40 K lore like more than any other ever seen because like every single piece of
Tao lore is like and they fought for like 20 years and they saved entire alien races for them to like carve out a section of space that is like the size equivalent in the grand scheme of 40 K of like Arkansas.
Like they just get like a small section of land. Like Dan Drift. So I ain't that small in comparison to like maybe America. But like for the rest of the world, it's like, honestly, who cares?
It's like all Kansas alone. We're getting a fight, but it's not going to be over. Collins very patriotic. We've already had Arkansas is larger than England. Yeah, I'm about to say Arkansas is probably bigger than the UK. Yeah, but still.
Okay, let me let me add a little bit more on this. Every single person who likes the Tao, they talk about them like it's like they talk about them like the same way Necron fans talk about the Necron, which is like, oh, they could totally win every fight.
They just don't do it because they're peaceful or they just don't want to it now. I'm like, okay, calm down. And that's they like go on wars to like claim different expansions of the universe, but it's like maybe 20 feet, essentially.
Oh, they're they're trying the hoofed the hoofed.
We had an F tier.
No, I do not want to put this in the F tier. First of all, fuck you. No. Fuck off.
Oh my god.
Tao, you know, is not Andy stuff is you rat master. Yes, yes. Oh, god. What we put in there should be. I think that should be. I don't know if some some will find out. I think that should be see though. Like I don't like what honestly what negative opinions does that really bring out of you?
It's racism. I mean, I'm if it's the lowest, it's just like Samwise. This is the first from home I've ever been. Oh, good for you, Tao. Who cares?
I have another. It inspires who cares not raise Bert Be Diver five euros. Thank you, brother. He put unresolved plot lines question mark. Where is Book Three rate? Where is Book Three of Alia and Valerian rate? We need it right as Christmas.
I love you will be tackling that plot line in a by the way, before we go any further, Eli's busy. So we got we got another Canadian in just to help. So so where's Eli? He's like he's busy, but we love him. And we love Arthur as well.
But, Arthur, do you like that? Do you also relate to the struggle that you can't make like we said Arkansas earlier, you can't make a reference to land size without using America because America is like the knowledge outside of America. I don't know if people know any of the actual like counties or like states or states in the UK.
I do not understand completely. I in my head I was like, I can make a joke about this. But in my head I was like, yeah, they conquer something that's the equivalent of fucking Brunswick. And then everybody's like, what is that? Yeah, I only know Alberta and Quebec.
Is Montreal in Quebec isn't it the city. I'm actually I'm actually drawing a massive blank because it's Quebec City. Montreal is the state. How wrong am I fair?
It's not it's not just you know other countries that make do know if you try if you had to put a gun to my head and said name all 50 states I'm I'm I'm passing. I think I could I could do it on like a map like I can write all them down but off the top my head.
We spent a good amount of time on the tower and it's boring. Yeah, we need to wrap towel. This is going to go on if we stop at every time I go on a tangent. Yeah, just fucking pull the little pull me away.
The next one Andy though is that one. This is the fourth tyrannic war. This is currently happening isn't it. Yeah, I give it a B because I'm glad Space Marines finally lost a major narrative.
It doesn't get written around. I think top of maybe I argue to put it in C for the moment just because again it's only one battle that's happened really so far in it. I mean it's got a sick trailer and we got some nice models from an actual campaign.
Again if I had to compare it to the other tyrannic wars it's surely not as cool. Come on. It's not even happened yet technically. I'd say the high C low B but not because of anything that actually happened.
I just like the absolute like chimp out shit fit that happened because they're like when it resolved everybody was like GW cheated. There's no way that that actually happened. The Tearnage didn't win. They just did this because they wanted to.
And I'm like this is really funny. People are getting mad. We got another another donation here by Jeremy Golden. He says as an American I know not to go to Burma.
It's pronounced Birmingham. Yeah. And the few hours I played Baldur's Gate I kept referring to the spell of cloud of daggers as cloud of Birmingham and Birmingham.
And Birmingham. It doesn't need to be that bad. I'm sure Chicago isn't as bad as I make it out to be.
I'm going to shit on that city at every conceivable moment. All right. The last tier this will be shit city to the Harbingers chapter comes from in 40k. Yeah. Birmingham is in law as well. It's an actual planet.
Oh my god the writers. Yeah, I think well thank you for the donation brother. Yeah, we don't feel strongly about the full tyrannic war just yet.
I'm glad that we have some spotlight there as the first captain of the ultraman because everyone's like who's this? It's like he's been around ages. Everyone's talking about Cato Sicarius. Anyway, fourth tyrannic war kind of cool.
Thirteenth great company the wolf and space wolves. Where do you where do you lie on space for those are there because I know you hate Lehman Ross.
I hate the fact that there's lead in my water pipes. I don't
I think Lehman Ross is a character that could be as interesting as any other Primark except Magnus because Magnus just sucks. But I think the wolf and are like, I don't know. It's like a like it's like a sliding scale of like, oh, that's kind of cool to wow.
I think it's really cringe that they did that. Because on from like a top down perspective. Okay, space wolves the werewolf Vikings. What if we made actual werewolf Vikings. Okay, that's really stupid.
But then there's that little lore tidbit of like they had them corralled at one point and they're like, what do we even do with these guys and they pulled off what was supposed to be a ceremonial weapon that was like a decoration, and they found out that they knew how to use them perfectly
and they pulled off like an axe that a normal space ring couldn't have it because it was too big and they're like, oh, wait, are these weapons big enough for them. Wait, they all are. This is crazy. And then the implications of like, oh, this might have happened before like pre heresy or Great Crusade or in that like 10,000 period that no one talks about.
So it's still like Heidi at most for me, but like, I think it's the balance of cringe and not. There's a, there's a weird mix of it because there's, I read it in the Ragnar Blackman book that I think it's the fifth book, I mean the sixth book.
There's like all of them for some reason. They come across some of the 13th Great Company and they actually are quite cool because they kind of meet that modern day space wars and then all them are not like fully wolf and doubt but like all of them their eyes like basically glow yellow because it's like reflected like a wolf or werewolf wherever.
And they are kind of these zombies.
They're basically they're kind of just traveling across the realms,
essentially like free reign.
But then there's also the fact that the wolf and are named after a guy
who betrayed Leman Russ and not actually because they look like wolves.
Yeah. His name just happened to be Wolf and Wolf and Son from the town of Wolves.
And then his dad was called Mr.
Wolf is like, oh, that's a weird question.
That's the actual law, though.
That's the actual law that they just.
Yeah. D.
D for disappointing.
Hey, Colin, brace yourself.
Now, are the Alpha Legion loyalist or not?
F. Absolutely.
F. Agree. Hardly. No.
My man.
I'm indifferent here.
So how are you going to really have to work to get them up to D?
No, it's a shame because it's honestly
do you guys not like it because it's cringe?
Because it is.
I don't like it because G.W. is shit at writing mysteries.
Yeah. I just don't like it because like,
I mean, if they were loyalist, why are they in the chaos?
Space Marine Codex will never know.
Yeah. Oh, surely it's not.
Remember Chondax with the white scars?
Hmm. Yeah, Chondax. It's all about Chondax.
Remember Lord Ball?
Mm hmm.
I'll say what I said last time, how when when you're
when your mystery is to just go, oh, but I was lying the whole time.
Yeah. At the last second of the book.
It's not a mystery. You're just a cunt.
Yeah. Yeah. It's not really a mystery, though.
If you like, they kind of have to spell it all out.
They really are elements of it that are loyalist still.
Oh, but there's elements that aren't.
Who's who?
I think for the people listening, the mold at the end
at the end of the Horus heresy with our forest
or ten really Omagon, who was our farrius.
He died to dawn.
And now our farrius, who was Omagon.
Oh, I'm hearing it.
Never mind. I just heard it.
That's just so horrible.
But then, OK, one thing is there's an Alphalegian book
that came out not a long ago, which does explain how
because they've actually been so fragmented for so long,
they all don't know what they're doing anymore.
And so some of them are like semi loyal, but they believe that they have to like
basically kill corrupt imperial elements.
They look like traitors.
Some of them are, in fact, traitors.
Some of them have learned to use the warp kind of like
pro, you know, like the dark angels a bit in Horus.
I can't imagine.
I made it convoluted as much as I could.
I guess we leave it in F here then.
Arks of Omen.
This is pretty good, actually.
A, I'm going to go on a limb and put it a no,
because this is all the arks of Omen.
This is I'm not that's not an A if I can't believe that.
I'm just an A. It's like, oh, all right.
What you cooking?
A because you had the Far Sight
supplement part where Far Sight basically did like a 3 v 1
versus like Orcs Chaos.
And unfortunately, he did actually beat Alphalegion.
So that's one thing.
You also have the return of the lion.
The lion dueling Amgron.
Vashtor essentially stealing all the parts from the rock
and the other bits and then reforming that is the silver
Argent key. That's like a current plot line.
What's the first bit they did as well?
They had those really cool like tarot cards, didn't they?
You don't remember them and that the trailers are coming out for that.
Yeah.
I mean, it's as an ongoing plot,
it's kind of got this big Vashtor's going to use this silver key
or something or this device to somehow either turn himself
into a god or basically fuck shot, which is interesting, at least.
Actually, going through that now, maybe because it's
it's not got me on the edge of my seat.
I like it in concept a lot, though, like it's.
I like chaos when it's more than just the big four.
It's stale.
I agree.
Like, you know, we got Hashut, you know, all the little minor gods
and fantasy stuff like that.
40K is the big four.
Sometimes Belacor shows up.
Not very often, though.
And Malice going, I'm still a chaos god.
Then Vashtor's like, allow me to introduce myself and say, hey,
why do people like Malice so much?
That's why he's not in it.
He's actually because Malol.
That's the only reason I like Malice.
But if no one likes my opinions,
then you can explain.
Well, I've already opened my mouth, so I don't quite get it
because there's like not enough to like.
It's like, OK, so I'm just going to be honest.
The reason why people like Malice is the same reason why.
And I am so sorry for saying this, Andy.
Please forgive me beforehand.
But it's like the same reason why every single lore scholar out there
talks about Jagatai Khan with such reverence.
Oh, he's not the one that he's not the one everybody else talks about.
He's actually secretly really cool.
Look at all this lore that's in like four books.
I know this is true.
I don't know. He's honest.
He's not bad enough.
But it's true. It's like Vashtor.
I dare you talk about my dad like that.
Oh, I get my head.
My dad could outrun your dad at the sports.
Then unplugged.
I can't even hear what you're saying.
But I'm so angry.
But like, I'm so angry.
I'm so angry.
Anyways, the Malice stories, like the few that we got are like really interesting.
Like the Labyrinth was like a fun short story.
And then you have like the fact that the sons of Malice are canon as of like
the gathering of the Gothic.
Yeah. Yeah.
I forgot about the Battle of Gothic.
I remember them in like the fall of Cady.
They were mentioned as Abaddon being like, hey, go kill that one ship.
And they're like, OK. OK.
And that was it. That was literally it.
Yeah.
And there's like the lady going, the sons of Malice exist.
And you're like, cool.
Yeah, no, it's it's just people want to be like, hey, I'm special.
I know about Malice. Malice is cool. Right.
Did you know about the copyright thing?
And then it's it's a downward spiral from there.
That's not even one of the plot lines, but we should have put that on there.
Do you think Malice is a plot?
I know, I can't think that's all chaos, isn't it?
But to be fair, I guess we're acceptable.
Are we happy with like leaving Arks of Omen in A or B then?
I'm I'm content with A.
I mean, I was quite happy with it in that, like when it came out,
it was like, oh, something actually interesting is going on.
And it did build hype. Yeah. Cool.
The only reason why I would knock points off of it, sorry to interrupt, but
no, no, go ahead. Yeah.
The only reason I'd knock points off of it is
and everybody in chat, hold me accountable for this.
If this changes, you're allowed to make fun of me for it.
I will send you all fifty dollars if this is correct or if this is incorrect.
In Canadian dollars, that's not much.
Yeah, it's like six cents a high five.
But it's going nowhere.
There's no way that like the doomsday mega demon planet
that Vastor created is going to come up and be anything significant in the future.
I just know how Games Workshop works.
I just my gut tells me absolutely not.
I do like how like he's got this big ridiculously overpowering thing.
And then it's just like a few years back.
And it's just like six rather chunky orcs bringing almost destroying terror.
Just like just six big lads, isn't it?
It's a beast.
It's like, oh, it's the boy, the fellas.
It's the boys. It's the six boys.
In the true life of an orc.
Six boys who didn't skip leg day, nearly brought the Imperium to the near.
And then Vastor's like, I've got a big super weapons.
Like no one cares. Nerd. Go away.
Speaking of nerds, artifacts of Vulcan.
We got Vulcan Hestan.
I like this one.
I'm going to go.
OK, go ahead, Con.
Oh, sorry. Now I cut you off. You go.
I'll just say I like this one because it's kind of well, the good side
is that it's actually has a bit of like trays and shenanigans in it
because he keeps trying to steal something from it.
But the downside is that it's probably all like
I don't think it's going to be a one after the other thing.
They're going to like, oh, we found an artifact.
It's going to happen all at once.
It's going to happen all at once when Vulcan returns, essentially.
Don't let Nick Kime write the book. Sorry.
Sorry. I would say a resounding B.
It makes me go that sure is neat.
That's cool. And I kind of stopped thinking about it.
I like the Captain Planet aesthetic of my powers combined.
We summon Dad.
Thing is, does anyone know when was like, like in in our year
in our year format when the last artifact was found like eight years ago
or something crazy, I feel like it's been a while since he's found
like number five out of nine or whatever it is.
He's I think it's got like six.
Yeah, but like most most things in Warhammer, the plot only moves
when there's a reason to sell models.
Yeah, sales depth are like break the glass. We need Vulcan.
Yeah, it's pretty much like, yo, yo, yo, yo, it's time to get another Primark out.
Never heard of that move.
Sometimes the plot moves backwards like the Horus heresy in the end times.
Yeah, the old world.
Does it still I think when I told Colin, I think it was the last week
I said, by the way, the Horus Harris, the last year to terror book
doesn't end the actual siege of terror.
Like they're still technically like it's not quite they're not left yet.
The the traitors are still on terror. Hmm.
I mean, like it's technically still going on.
We will never see the end of the Horus heresy.
Even though it's finished, it's not finished.
I think a video about the scouring just yesterday just wanted to like
some of the actual cool things that are going to come up in that.
Because although you put Roudon on the fun now, I'm like, can we give Roudon
a bit of limelight in this new bloody series?
He's like, he's already the first captain of the blood angels.
And I beat up a night lord once.
Fine. Can we have some more, please?
He's a nice character. He might even have that.
Now that our beloved sanguineous is
what they do to his corpse, they're like they shanked it
through the ground, drizzled it with oil and like burnt.
They've ruined sanguineous.
They even said they actually they broke his soul,
which is like a new thing in law now to like, oh, so he's not coming back
like at all. Yeah.
But apparently Horus's soul isn't broken.
So that's a thing. What they did.
That was a retcon. They awesome.
They said previously, you know, before the book, they said Horus's soul
was shattered by the emperor. That's when that's the reason why the clone of Horus
like resurrected by whatever Fabius's Bar stuff later was not quite right.
But then there's no mention of like Horus's soul being shattered.
He just he just gets like anathemed kind of like how Vulcan got Fulgurited.
OK, that upsets me on levels that I can't fully.
I'm so human words.
I'm so ready for the Horus demon model coming to 40K
alongside the Horus loyalist model coming to 40K.
We will sell more Horus.
If that happens, I'm going to start doing Kingdom Hearts, Laura, I swear.
Girl, that's I mean, that reminds me like it's always sunny,
like the red in one of the earliest
he's is it like all the little red string being like the mail box in the post?
Also, what is that next one right there?
Oh, this is close.
I can. Oh, F.
Yeah, we should put that one.
We should mention this.
The next one is the clone of Fulgurim from the Fabius Bile.
It looks a bit like Clancy Brown in this art, but I'm not against it anyway.
I give it a B in being objective and an F in.
Causing a fight with Arthur Bones.
OK, oh, here we go.
Roll sleeves up.
I just can't I just can't I just have like a civil discourse?
But OK, no, the answer is no.
But basically, I just really like the plot point.
I think it's very interesting.
But again, to kind of go back, GW never lets us have nice things.
It's like how players asking for Vespid models.
It's never going to happen.
They'd sooner get rid of the model than give us a new one.
I mean, correct.
There's no point. I can't see it.
Let's say you got what you wanted and you brought clone Fulgurim back.
What's he going to do?
He's going to become loyalist.
He's going to just leave the emperor's children with another Fulgurim
who's like more hench and has a tail.
What is like there's no place for him in the laws other than just.
You know what place he will have?
He'll be he'll come back and then he'll die to the demon Fulgurim.
Yeah, you just know it.
You just you just know like I feel like like, kill him.
You're going to die again.
No, I'll save you.
I did think it might have been like an interesting thing
if he like reconciled with the Iron Hands and he led them as like a foster father.
I'm sorry. I'm not like my clone and I want to kill the clit.
And then he died like heroically.
Maybe you could tie it in a nice neat bow with that.
But then it's still like really indulgent.
And I think we don't need him.
The Iron Hands need to make their own law first before we get the author.
His I'm pretty sure the author has come out and said that plot point
exist for Fabius Biles story, not for anything to do with the clone of Fulgurim.
Yeah.
But that author no longer works at GW anymore.
Yeah, I guess that's fair.
And whenever an author speaks about their work outside of, you know,
the work itself, GW tells them to shut the hell up.
So fair enough.
I don't want things they won't they won't touch it unless again,
they feel like they can make money off it.
And I bet they absolutely will.
But it won't be going to be so far away because we're probably getting
Emperor's Children this edition at some point.
So what I get like a demon Fulgurim.
I think a demon Fulgurim already came out for like 30K.
So we're just not going to see it anytime soon.
But isn't it, as a plot point?
Regardless of the fact that it probably won't happen.
Unless we're all like we're all graying hair and then it's like
they finally did it boys.
The thing is though, it just makes me think of whenever I think of
clone Fulgurim, I think of like the description of like when Bile
was cloning Ferris Manus and in the back room, there was just
piles of dead Ferris clones of like, oh, come on, give the guy a
break.
He couldn't just die once.
You had to kill him a hundred times and then put them together
like, you know, like like sandbags in the background.
Oh, they're starting to smell like poor Ferris.
Someone said, why is the Tealith talking?
It's him like Wars.
We have our guest of the bones and audio for people who are
rejoining later.
Are we happy with leaving it?
I do think it's a B just because it is genuinely way more
interesting than the stuff that's below it.
I, you know what, if you put it like that, yeah, I definitely
would say that.
I just like, you know, pray in my heart of hearts to whatever
God will listen that there's going to be a Fulgurim versus
Fulgurim box that comes out.
It's not, but it'd be really cool if they did.
Your faith in Boingob.
Okay.
Yeah.
So this one, what's this one again?
How is the Drakari Golden?
This is the dark, dark packed.
This is the plot line where essentially the Golden Throne,
the literal needs Golden shit toilet is broken.
Someone's a mess with the plumbing too long and the little
beat boop microwave people, the mechanic is can't fix it anymore.
They it's just too screwed.
And so part of the Inquisition have gone into a comrade and
they're trying to make a deal with the Dark Eldar for the
Drukari to essentially like, yo, can you fix some of our
like Xenoth stuff on the Golden Throne?
There's definitely a human made thing.
I promise.
And they're like, yeah, sure.
And they're kind of making their own copy of the Golden Throne.
Oh, by the way, before we go any further, Snowy Sabertooth
just donated for the first time ever on the live stream.
Thank you brother.
Thank you.
Five New Zealand dollars saying, Belisarius called fought
against two Necron dynasties, including the Silent King and
summoned Bastros planet into real space.
Where's my money bitch?
For I think you owe Snowy 50 Canadian dollars.
Mayhaps but also man, I got to look into that because that
sounds stupid.
At rarest Pepe, what do you mean by twink on twink action?
I'm talking about the clone fight.
Yeah.
Oh, one's more slippery than the other, but it's not going
to be pleasant.
I is there any more Golden Throne plot lines on this list?
No.
Okay.
I'm just going to get it out.
I hate every single fucking plot line in Warhammer about
the Golden Throne and there's no way for me to put it that
doesn't make me sound like I have something severely wrong
with me.
So I'm just going to not pretend like that.
I not the gate.
I hate it.
I hate every time the Golden Throne is bought up.
I despise it.
It's so would you say you're the kind of man who like hates
chairs that don't quite look like chairs?
No, that's not even it because I know it's not going anywhere.
Toilets that look like every time things like no, just is
it just do it.
Listen, leave the Golden Bidet alone.
You'll get you'll get 50 pop points.
Oh, the Dark Elder looking at all.
It's failing.
Oh, it's failing.
They're upping the psychic.
I don't know.
The things are going wrong.
Nothing will ever ultimately go wrong.
It will never break.
He will never either resurrect or become a God.
He will never go anywhere.
I hate every time they do something with it because I know
they're not going to and it goes nowhere.
I hate it.
I don't know why I don't get it.
I don't know why I hate it.
It makes me baby man.
If I will you know what?
There's my fucking word.
If if the Golden Throne does anything substantial and by
substantial, I mean like a major change not open now.
It's 4001 psychers a day.
Oh, you getting bad now that doesn't count.
If something legitimate comes out of it, I will make an hour
long fucking Bretonnia video do or don't.
That's so tantalizing in this.
I'm going to start writing books to send to Black Library
this instance.
Me and Colin have a horseshoe effect where we both went the
opposite direction but ended up at the same spot.
I'm just going to say it out loud same level of irrationally
you fuck ass mad hatred.
That can only be summed up in one sentence.
Eldar mentioned after you know what I could put it in F tier
as well.
Nothing quite Collins does make the right point.
It's a plot point where it's like putting out for the
people is based like we kind of would kind of good as I
was gonna be fucked, but we're not we're gonna be it's not
going anywhere.
It's the eternal like things will get worse, but you know,
they won't because then there won't be a setting anymore.
The Imperium will forever be on the brink of shattering
like glass, but you know, it won't chaos will for like
Avedon will forever be on the verge of I was going to say
blowing up Katia that had been granted but you know the
Imperium at the end of the day still kicking the chirids
will always be just outside the galaxy ready to go the
towel always forever be expanding and the trouble is
basically just like your extended warranty for the
Golden Throne is past services like that.
I don't care.
It's just a big chair who cares.
It's a donation here by at American skull.
He'd give us $5.
Thank you brother.
You sir if the plot won't break the Golden Throne then
I will with a pipe bomb and a half-life to crowbar.
Happily put that in FTIA.
I think another donation.
From Elliot Hortz for $10 saying I'm literally I am
literally Sigismund at the siege of terror except instead
of terror.
I'm in a hospital and a set of the Champions of Chaos
at security guards trying to stop me from making an
Evangelion reference.
Oh my God.
All that.
Thank you.
Moving swiftly on Devastation of Baal.
S-tier.
Wait, what was it?
Devastation of Baal.
I'm not allowed to comment on this.
Devastate my balls.
Why is that?
I said I'm not allowed to comment on this.
I get enough shit on my own channel.
I don't want to get shit here.
You have to say you have to say a little bit of what you
want to say.
So,
okay, so we're all rational adults, right chat?
We're rational adults, right?
Yeah, we're all real cool.
We're all chill.
We're all hip to it.
So I'm just going to propose an idea and I hope that
everybody here.
I don't like the Devastation of Baal and I think it's
overhyped.
I'm sorry.
I just really did not like that book.
But why?
What was it that you didn't like?
As someone who generally was like, oh, I really enjoyed
this.
Like I'm curious.
What was it?
Was it just like, oh, I don't want another Space Marine
story where they fight the good fight and still win?
Or what was it?
Was it overhyped for you and then you read it and you
were a bit underwhelmed?
So narrative wise, I just found that the book came off
as a collection of individualistic scenes that did
not have any major through line that I was just like,
okay, that was that fucking happened.
There's so many different individual parts of this book
that like make good snippets.
Like there are parts that like like three that I like
to pull up every now and then.
It's like from you get the perspective of the lictor
throughout the entirety of the book.
And I thought that was like really cool and like that
line of like, oh, prey animals tend to get a lot more
upset if you target their young.
That's a good line.
But like the fact that you had to follow a shit ass
Space Marine chapter called the Angels Excelsis that
are filled with shit ass blood angels that no one
likes that make the wrong decision every 30 seconds
they can choose to it's like, oh, we're flying in space.
Oh, we can fight the Tyranids.
Tyranids super easy to fight.
And then they start losing and they're like, oh, we
got a super easy maneuver.
We just got to board this fucking ship over there
and everything's fine.
They boarded it.
It's filled with Tyranids.
And then the people on there were like we were setting
this to fucking blow up you assholes with the fight
and then they take the people off and then it
ultimately has them get the lictor pod and then we
have to follow like like cut back to them.
Another one is like when centaur Jewel and Gabriel
Seth take some like little little errand boy into
the caverns that have like all of these ancient
ruins and there's literally a scene where centaur
Jewel cracks the guy in half and he's like a little
child just starts drinking.
He's like, you want some of this and Gabriel's like
gross and then walks away.
It's like there's so many individual parts of that
book that are great, but I just find the flow of the
book itself just I could not pay attention to it.
Like I didn't have that problem at all.
I liked it a lot.
I did it in one single.
I liked how Gabriel Seth had that whole thing where
he had the this feather of sanguineous and Dandé
was like, I'm sorry, I treated you kind of like a
dick here take sanguineous's feather and he's
like, oh when we're in the presence of it, we
don't have the red first.
That's pretty cool.
And he's like, oh, and then there's the Knights of
Blood and they have that arc where they go.
Yeah, it's too late for us, but Seth you don't have
to be a crazy Jay from stay from lookalike.
So yeah, I like that.
All right.
I'm going to talk about the big points now.
Scene one.
It's the the blood angels convene and then Don all
of the little successor chapters are essentially
crowd into one massive room that they had to
rebuild to fit them all in Dante and all the relics
of the blood angels chapter just is like, you know,
big dick energy thrown out in front of them and all
of them are basically like, oh my God, that's the
mask of sanguineous.
Holy shit and describes a moment like where Dante
just sits down kneeling in front of them and all
of the chapters of the blood like no matter how
different they are.
They all look like holy shit.
You know, they actually like these things like
the pin drop in that room and I can't even do it
justice to how good like that's how well seen is
written and when Dante is giving you a speech and
he gets angry like the red thirst triggers a little
bit.
I said like it spreads out in like little waves.
I saw a pattern like a little like a little like
a ripple across the blood angels.
There's the awesome part where basically the entire
blood angels monastery fortress is essentially is
falling apart and each corridor is filled with
like little jewels and lows of the successor
chapters.
It follows some of them where they basically go.
I was just a sergeant.
Now I'm the chapter master what the hell is going
on.
Yeah, and then they describe how that guy who's
just like I'm going to fight Kibanda.
I'm not I'm going to die but I'll be like he's
like coming be a be a corn neighbor's he's like
now bitch.
I love my dad and you're like good man.
Good.
I may be killed children, but I love my Sanguineous
so it's fine.
He's a lot of children.
The last the last ride once a year like the last
ride where Dante in the Swarm Lord of the book is
a complete like over like read it.
The book is actually quite ridiculous, but it is
it's the most 40k 40k thing.
I think it was a like it's a bit ridiculous.
We're talking about 40k.
That's the fun.
It's a one of the only few books I've read which
deals really well with the actual like technical
like scale the battles.
It's only been one book and that was like the
second War of Armageddon with Yarik, but that was
the point of where it was only following Yarik and
you kind of just basically them running around and
you kind of it gave a good description of the
destruction happening like in a 40k battle, but it
was the the devastation of Barla is so good because
it's filled with individual moments with like it's
actually a character driven story.
I guess it's very like hard to follow because it
jumps a lot, but it's meant to show that is the
devastation of the entire Blood Angels like Blood
Lion essentially and I really is if you gave someone
that book who's like kind of just a little bit into
40k they would really love that and it's a great
plot line.
I really liked it.
I would if anyone was to go lower than S tier.
I'm willing to go a but please not lower than a
I can't handle it.
The only thing is worse in this race.
So I will I would say is like Devastation of Barla
is like also one of the strongest like inroads to
get into the hobby.
If you want to know about the law, it's like
reliably five out of ten times people say, oh you
want to get into the books read Devastation of Barla.
It's not like Horus Heresy where you need to list
read all 50 books.
It gives you like a perfect here's kind of what
you're in for.
It's got a nice start and a conclusion.
It's like you want some more.
So it's like it's like they're giving them the
giving them the cannabis before they get a heroin
addiction.
It's like, okay, here you go.
Just a little bit.
This is just a great Ronald Reagan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Spicy cheese.
I'll agree to an S tier only because that's what
Gabriel would have wanted.
Gabriel said this another content for S tier.
I read that flesh terrors book and I'm I didn't
finish it.
That's the only time I get what's next.
What's our Andy fall of KDR?
Oh, yeah.
I have a lot of because of how much impact it had
on the actual.
Yeah.
It's pretty simple and easy stuff actually started
happening in modern 40 K.
It wasn't locked at forty nine nine nine.
Yeah, it turned the little hole into a big hole,
which that's a big thing.
Mmm.
Don't we should any holes in the house?
Someone's at Harry Valentine.
He's a bit the guys.
I can't wait for Arthur to take part in the ERB
tier list.
Epic.
That's like our golden goose by the way, people
are desperate for us to do epic rap battles of
history.
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He says I came in to say disavow got I disavow
Gottrick Gunnison because in the book Soul Slayer
he killed Big Turtle.
Look, I don't appreciate the big turtle death
either, but like if gotcha killed it, it probably
deserved it.
He's pretty he pretty you had a gun on him or
something, you know, probably for some reason
there was a there was a chainsaw underneath him.
I don't know how I got there is that just any
reason fell nearby.
So they just made me think Colin you play Dark
Souls.
Are you the kind of guy who massacres the mushroom
children whenever you get the chance?
I don't usually do that not out of any love for
them, but mostly out of fear of the bigger
mushrooms.
That's pretty slow.
They're slow, but the thing is I'm used to like
later Dark Souls like all right, we're going to
get to sidetracked Dark Souls one should have
omnidirectional rolling when they remastered it
and I hate that they didn't put that in.
You know how you can do that in real life as
well.
Which is great. What I'm need directional.
Yes, it's called a roll.
I mean, it's like, oh, I'll think of them all
like, you know, like in later was that you can
roll you basically change direction while you're
still rolling.
You basically like a 360 always.
Oh, yeah.
You literally can like turn watch or still rolling.
Hey, can you not do that?
No, I could double jump.
I don't know.
I think Dark Souls one's great, but I was playing
it last night and I was fighting the bed of
chaos.
I killed it and then my switch crashed and I
had to do it again.
I was really like, I went killed the bug and
it was like, hell's gone.
It was like, and then it just went ka-plink and
I was like, fuck.
And then I reloaded it and I was outside the
fucking gate against Alpha.
God damn it.
Get the club out of here.
Have to fight the worst boss in Dark Souls
history again.
But the thing is, I love that boss fight in the
way that like the devs knew it was dog shit
because they were like, oh, every time you take
out a limb, it stays even if you go back again
because they knew they knew it was trash and
they were like, if we reset it each time, no
one's going to finish this fucking game because
it's stupid.
Anyway, Iandan.
Second worst boss fight, Mr.
Bones.
The next one is the, well, it's not the fall
of the Andan, but this is the recent lot of
Andan, Basie versus chaos, which they, and
there's certainly two incursions that they have
towards the end of the 41st Millennium.
And this is the one where Prince Uriel does
die, but then he gets Ynari'd back.
But essentially it's a conjoining Ynari plot
line, but it's essentially to do with Iandan's
resurrection slash Iandan's sort of resurgence
coming through.
I'm going to, now this hurts me to say, not
only because I love Eldar, but because Iandan
is the craft world I, you know, paint my minis
in love.
I'm going to give it A tier.
I would give it S, you know, because Prince
Uriel is a ball of shit.
Oh, I thought you said it's like F then or something.
I thought he was going to take it, take the B.
Nice of you to show restraint.
Listen, it has, it's related to the Ynari,
so it can't be an S tier.
I'm going to put it on B and, oh, by DJ Beast,
DJ Beast did say something early.
He said, Arthur, please convince them to do
ERB.
We've been edged for months.
He also said, at Mr.
Bones, sir, you are terminally based.
Yeah, no, no, I know I am.
I know I am.
Elves are mentioned immediately F tier.
There's nothing you can do to convince me otherwise.
Can I honestly put it in B just because it doesn't,
like, I feel not a thing for this.
Like, it is kind of cool that there was like a
big chaos incursion fight, but it's not more,
I mean, I've lessened the clone grim, surely.
But that's, that's like, that could be something
more to come.
Whereas this plot line is a bit more of like a,
okay, it had a purpose to basically give Prince
Uriel a cronesword, I think.
Oh, it's time to give Helen Erection.
King in yellow.
Oh, speaking of totally relevant plot lines.
Yes.
Do people get into this S tier though?
Because it's literally the biggest one that's
happening right now.
Is it?
I mean, the Siege of Terror is, most of this
last Siege of Terror book was basically about
sort of implying things that happen in this
King in yellow stuff.
I hate that.
I'm sorry, Hal, but I hate that.
I say most of it, just some of the big points,
like the place, like the City of Dust was created
in the Siege of Terror last book.
And it was also the reason, it shows the reason
why Constantin Valda is basically a little bit
like gone rogue, because he basically stabbed
Abaddon with the Dionysian spear, the Apollonian
spear, and he basically saw like all the future
to come and basically Abaddon being war master
and he basically went nuts and crazy.
And Abaddon gets stabbed a lot.
Poor Abaddon, he's got so many scars.
It's like, I got stabbed by Valda and Sigismund.
It's not fair, people keep stabbing me.
It's the only time I've ever heard someone say
poor Abaddon and genuinely mean it.
He gets asked all the time.
I feel sorry for him.
You know what?
I'll put it in top of A, I think just because
Dan Abner has said there's a gigantic twist
coming with it and the fact that we've not quite
got to that yet.
I mean, I'm not invested.
This is the only thing I want to counter with.
At least with Arx of Omen, we get like solid,
this is like what happened and it's been done.
This is too speculative for me, where it's like
there's too much promises and not enough delivery
for me to think it's better than Arx of Omen.
It is kind of, it is cooler.
It's like he's literally residing in the extra realm.
He's creating, this is the personification of the
Demon's history tier list.
It's like in theory it'll be cool, but right now
it's just promises and false words.
Exactly.
I don't like it, not because I don't like the plot
point.
I don't like it because it's like more proof that
GW writers don't understand how long 10,000 years is.
Where they're like, yeah, this thing that's happening
the 41st millennium, actually it happened for, you
know, it happened 10,000 years ago and they've been
building up this whole time.
It's like, you don't understand, like, it's like,
surely that long time.
It's like surely that plot point could have started
like when, you know, in M39, you know, it would have
been like a thousand years, which is still older
than any of our countries.
There is a tendency in Warhammer 40k for them to go
with either happens in 31 or 40.
It's like, could we have like more war stuff?
Yeah.
I think technically this is, by the timeline standards,
actually the King of the Yellow Thing is pre fall of
Cadia still.
That's, but that's still M40.
Yeah.
That's a good, you're going to love this bit.
There's 13 of them over a long time.
In the last season of Terrior book, do you know how
many people, in the season of Terrior, do you know
how many people reference, I will not fail.
Not now, not in a thousand, not in 10,000 years.
They say, how many people would say I will not do
blah, blah, blah in blah, blah, blah in 10,000 years.
I will not fail until specifically M41 999.
Oh, the best part, the best part, the golden throne.
The mechanic is say this should, this should be fine
for at least 10,000 years.
God.
It's like, it's like, like, like you said, Andy, it's
like, it goes, okay.
The calendar goes M31, M41, all those 10 millennia
in between, who cares?
It's like, you know, you can use like 36 or something,
but like that's cool.
But that's like the only standout in that gap, which
is annoying.
It's like the dab, which is in there, but still.
It's like, there's so much room for cool stuff.
And you go, yeah, but like skip 10,000 years.
It's like, I don't, I come on.
It's a setting, bro.
I know it's a setting.
M41 999 has so much shit going on.
It's a setting with 10,000 years of history.
That is almost as long as history in real life has
been a thing before that it was caveman.
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It says Gilman versus Abaddon in 24 hours.
Gounof who wins.
Don't say Gounof.
You're probably, it'd be fair, Abaddon's arm's way forward.
Jake Thornton does me whoop.
Okay, sorry, go ahead, eh?
No, you go first, go.
Oh, Jake Thornton.
He says time is relative.
10,000 years is nothing.
It's nothing to Slenesh who's giving us that Glock Glock 9
dab set.
Well, so I want to hop in here and say that like, this conversation
is just reminding me of like trauma.
Okay, yeah, it involves Eldar.
So, I was recently finishing, I think it was the Dark Imperium
trilogy and like the concept of time.
I'm in the same boat.
I think that they don't understand how long 10,000 years
is because like civilizations can be built and then fall and
then have three more built on top of them in that amount of
time.
But like there was like this Eldar that made a point that
like I actually had to pause the book.
I got so annoyed by a single sentence and it was like
Gilliman was given a book.
I think this was in God Blight.
He was given a book because this was like right before they
had to interrogate a singed demon.
Okay, and he I don't think it was the one where he was given
the lictitious diary.
It wasn't given Lord Gaal's diary.
He's like, oh, this is cringe.
Yeah, no.
I think it was when he was given like the sanguineous, the
Emperor, whatever the hell the name of that one was.
But he looks at the book and he's like, hmm, interesting.
And then someone in the room goes, oh, that book is ancient.
And then the Eldar, you know, it's like actually that book
is old, not ancient.
Amateurs.
And I'm like a dog.
Shut the fuck up.
It's 10,000 years old.
That's ancient.
I think like it I will.
It's only a little thing but like on the comedy circuit,
I've seen someone do a set about how you know, Cleopatra
she was born closer to the invention of the iPhone than
the construction of the pyramids.
I think it's the thing.
It's like that's in like a 2000 year span 10,000 years is
a fucking long time with space travel and walk magic and
dark age of technology.
But I wish games workshop would do more stories in the
30k plus before 40k somewhere in that spectrum because
Warbeast was a bit fun.
I don't mind the milk in the Skyrim for that.
That's only going to be like a thousand, well not even
a thousand, like a hundred years.
This is the first Black Crusade.
Yeah.
A thousand years.
It'll be a thousand years.
The horse, seriously lasted seven.
I know.
They got a hundred bucks out of that fucking thing.
Yeah.
Tom at Tom Warren, he gave us five bucks.
Thanks, Tom.
He said, I'm pretty sure cats have only been domesticated
for about 10,000 years.
My thing, Arthur, it's kind of going off with you.
I can 110% even me.
I can admit why that would be annoying reading that sentence.
I don't mind it as much when it's like something like the
Eldar or the Necrons.
It's like, you know what?
One's magical elves who live functionally forever.
The other have been around for 65 million years.
I get them looking at time a little bit differently.
It can be annoying, like you said, but I can get it.
It's when humanity goes, you know, oh, it's only 500 years old.
It's practically new.
I'm like, I'm a human 500 years ago was the Renaissance.
That is not new.
It's in the scale of the Imperium, though.
This is like the Imperium.
I remember someone gave me like a comment like how is
Gabriel Angeles's dad alive after two years like rejuvenates
a hell of a drug pal.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I get it in the grand scheme of things.
But like when it's your average Joe Schmuck Guardsman going,
oh, it's only 500 years old.
You didn't know what fire was because you come from a tribal world.
And now you're going, yes, 500 practically new.
No motherfucker.
You should be going that's ancient.
Not it's new.
Where would you like the fruit?
I'm like humans don't understand how quickly things move as well.
Like it's there's some crazy stuff.
Like I know there's a whole thing where like there are people alive today
who fought in World War Two and it was like, oh, and it's like it wasn't that long ago.
It was in our it was in someone's lifetime.
And we are and there is like a fruit line with like, yeah, humans are bad at judging time.
But like war how it takes the piss a little bit.
Anyway, we need to move on.
We just put the line of D tier and move on the lines return.
I don't actually mean that.
Oh, I think it's a B first time donation from a Narian,
Tigarian time dilation.
What's that space and time means nothing in sci fi a battle could happen on a planet in M 38 still M 42 on terror.
Keep it up guys.
I like what happens with Admiral Spire.
He's like I'm in the gothic sector.
I clapped Abaddon's like it's several hundred years in the future.
So it's like irrelevant.
Let's go clap Abaddon again.
Like yes, get him.
Thanks for the donation.
I think I've read the lion book and it's a pretty damn good book.
Yes, like is it is a great book.
It's not my favorite book.
It's not it's not like my top top five I'd say.
But it's definitely like I could put like 10 of top 10
because it's just a really satisfying like story to it.
You want to send it to a place?
Yeah, because I am I writing thing.
Gilman didn't have a bespoke book for his return.
It was just like no thanks.
He's back.
Whereas this is like a fleshed out.
I'm back bitches.
I mean, this is the full on book.
Yeah, the dark Imperium.
Yeah, well he was this is like his gathering storm,
wasn't it?
Which was a yeah, it was gathering storm.
It was just like by the way, he's back.
And then they fleshed it out.
Whereas lion was like, hey bitches, I'm here with my.
I can't buy the gathering storm.
As much as I wish you could still buy it.
I think I prefer them doing it in a campaign first.
I I I'm a novel reader.
I got a same.
I really like lions in the forest and has nothing to do
with the like literal plot of the book.
It's like I just like the the meta narrative of the fact
that it's like it's small scale.
Well, it's more just like the entire book is an analogy
about like ending the cycle of parental abuse
and then like a dad coming back to find out that man,
I really did fuck up my kids.
Shit, I've got the milk, but it's gone off cigarettes.
Oh, they're still good.
So that's kind of why I really appreciate the book
because it's like the the the literal actual war
criminal that is the lion from like the Great Crusade
and Horus heresy is very different from the lion
that came back because he kind of had to learn
that like because he did this like fucky wucky
and whoops killed like the majority of his family.
There's this schism and now that they're hunting the fallen
and man, they really like killing the fallen.
Yeah, I found the book was really good as a plot line.
Is it going to go anywhere in arcs of Omen?
He beat a man to death with a shield, not a man.
He beat anger on to death with a shield, which was cool, I guess.
But did a Peter Dinklage demon frame arcs.
It doesn't mean anything quite literally.
Yes. By the way, we got a five dollars donation from Jimmy
Clyde saying, where does power washing fall in the 40k mechanics
law? Also, I unapologetically laughed until I cried at that
trailer. I love that trailer.
The Aquavis power of the Omnissiah.
I still got to look at it. Watch it.
Don't spoil it. So good.
Whoever wrote the script deserves like a cake.
Give them a cake.
Do we do we agree?
Lion B though.
Maybe Lion clone Grim.
Maybe Tom and Beat.
I put it in bottom of A.
No, I think.
Yes, he has. I'm okay with that.
He didn't come back with any milk, but he came back with an
apology.
And that's what matters.
I guess that's fair.
It's also got that line that's like hard as fuck when the
lion is fighting that thing that turned into all of his
brothers and he saw Conrad Curse and he's like, at least
I knew which part of my Legion needed to be killed and he's
like all of them and he's like, yeah, that's why I did what
I did. I'm like that goes hard.
I'm going to say something controversial.
I think it's below the look for the Vulcan or the search for
the artifacts.
I find the act of looking for the Primark so much more
fulfilling than them coming back in pretty much every single
case.
Yeah, because the line is back.
That's the plot line resolved.
Yeah, the plot ends.
Like if the artifact thing got resolved, I'd put it in C at
the highest, but it has more potential.
How does the dynamic work between the war and the Dark
Angels?
Yeah, but that's because it opened up so much more.
Acadia fell.
And now what?
The thing with any returning Primark they're hunting for,
the end goal is they're back.
Now they're working for the Imperium again.
Yeah, but then the only other caveat I would say about that
is like one door closes one opens.
It's like, yes, the lion's back.
But also how are things going to go with him and Gilliman?
Especially with the lion's new suddenly peaceful mindset.
He's not peaceful.
Not peaceful, but big sword.
This is Warhammer.
Everyone has a big sword.
That is a nothing statement.
Caiaphas Cain is a big sword.
That motherfucker doesn't want to fight.
We'll also say a good plot point that was added because of
the son of the forest is that Beastmen are now officially
canon and work with chaos.
Alright fuck, never mind S2.
Right, right.
Oh yeah.
Let's put him above Valor.
There we go.
The lion, he's like, he's like, he's like, you know, powering
down like a steel corridor and he just like smushes Beastmen
and other ones.
There's like the one that was described as being ancient and
has grey fur and he has like a wizarding staff and not even
a second into chanting just pasted.
Good times.
He was turned into Dark Angel-y.
Where's Luther?
The Luther.
Honestly?
Luther specifically or?
This is the Luther was broken out of prison slash the rock
and now he's somewhat reforming the other fallen angels.
How does that work with the lion?
I don't know.
I just don't really care.
Can we put that bottom of C tier because it's only happening
because they need an excuse for the fallen to still fight
Dark Angels.
That's like higher than I'd give it.
I'd say like low D.
I mean, I'm just giving C tier credit.
It's not quite.
I mean, what was the first one we had?
It's like, come on, it's better than Tao.
Yeah, it's better than Tao.
We had to get it better than Tao.
It's like C tier.
You all seem to dislike this though.
The Tao one inspired no feelings.
That's what I think C tier is.
Do you know why I don't feel so strongly about it?
Because you can tell the Scouring series has to build up
the hype for this where the actual destruction of Caliban
and Luther and Lion's confrontation,
it's not happened in novel form yet.
So it's going to be more impactful because right now,
it's just a lore tidbit.
It's like reading about a successor chapter that's not
had any sweet end.
I think the trouble with Luther is it's like, is he going to go,
I'm sorry, I'm going to reconcile with the lion
or is he just going to be a dick?
And that's kind of like, I feel that would
be more interesting bringing him back to the fold of the Dark
Angels and then there being this like him fostering the Fallen,
Lion fostering the Dark Angels, and it's the friction between
those two trying to work together that would be interesting
for stories rather than him going, yeah, I'm in charge of
the Fallen and I'll never let you be in charge Lion because
you sent me on a sabbatical back to Caliban and there was
nothing to do.
We didn't even have a jacuzzi.
I hate you.
It's getting more interesting the more we talk about it.
So maybe put it into C tier.
Okay, I'm going to I would not say C.
You guys do whatever you want.
I don't have control over this.
I'm just watching this.
We don't have any.
Andy's the only one here.
Like I think the best way to sum up the problem with Luther,
that's a good title for a video.
I'm writing that one down.
The problem with Luther is that he like he's not a character.
He's a plot point like reading Descent of Angels.
He's just kind of mentioned and he's there to do the thing
that Luther needs to do in order for the lion to be what he is.
I haven't actually read this book yet, but it looks all right.
I liked it.
The story season where it's him reading the books that the lion
tried to hide from the Knights of the Knights of Lupus books.
That's actually quite interesting because the part where like he
kind of slowly becomes more deranged.
He's trying to rest wrestle the fact that chaos exists, but then
also he's trying to basically create.
He's basically trying to like I'm trying to throw the you know,
the the Boston, you know, the basically trying to tea harbor,
you know, throw the stuff in the tea and separate Caliban from
but it's also interesting tyrannical King George in in his book.
Basically, he's like in a weird stasis cell where time really
moves slowly, but he's not in stasis as such and he keeps being
interrogated by the supreme grandmaster of the dark angels
as the millennia passed and he's a bit like, oh, is one of them
died?
Yeah, you're the new one.
Great.
And then trying to like glean information out of him being like
I was it was it was just a bad day.
I'm not evil.
Don't is just lines with it and then him like wrestling with
that and that's why I feel like it'd be better to have him just
bring back into the fold and then kind of being like back in
my day.
We didn't deal with this Imperium Nihilist bullshit and having
him in the lion butting heads and having that history would be
better than them just being like, oh, he's another champion of
chaos.
So rude that they have my my short king in chains for that
long because I remember when he's in being interrogated.
He's like much smaller than the Astartes.
They're just kind of he's not just a six foot versus 511 like
I want him to come back just because I want them to acknowledge
the fact that half Astartes exists and have them be able to
be used in Space Marine armies.
Or fair on might have to come back.
Yeah.
I just say this.
Keep your core fair on his name from atomic monkey be I can't
read the rest.
And I'm a monkey boy.
There we go.
Glad I could read that.
Do you want to read the rest then Colin?
Sure.
I don't know why I put so much heart into that after ERB
tearless.
We need a power washing stream now.
Also, how do we get the courage to start painting my newly bought
models?
I'm super unartistic.
Just do it and accept the first ones are going to look like
shit and you'll get better big tip.
YouTube first few videos are going to be trashed and then you
get better.
Really big tip is actually I said this probably way too much,
but if you're priming a model don't necessarily prime it in
black because blacks not like an interesting if you want to
have like something a little interesting is priming it like
a brown or like a save you're doing blue over prime in purple
or something just make it like an interesting different take
and then you can put your main color on underneath also over
the top and it actually looks quite different and unique.
I think that helps you for the next one.
Then Andy the next one is pariah nexus.
I put Sarah's pariah nexus was the Blackstone slash also
immotech.
No, is it immotech storm can't Zarek versus Bellis are
sorry, Sarah's sisters of silence and Space Marines as
also this is technically also the Blackstone plot line as
well.
I want to do a Blackstone mostly have not read.
I've been meaning to I'm a fake fan to that.
Has everyone else seen like the other lawmasters have made
videos about it and I'm like I have not caught up today.
I mean it's mentioned in gene father a bit where he's just
like, oh Gilliam is like what's going on with those pylons
mate and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm busy that call get
get the pile on sorted and he's all like he's talking to
the mechanic is like I'm going to bargain with you.
I know where all the Blackstone fortress materials are in
the galaxy. I'll trade you that if we can do some other weird
mechanic of shit.
You're like, okay cool, but it's that I haven't read the
Codex yet, which is where the new Codex delves into it a
lot.
I feel like it's it's quite I would leave it there and be
just because it's on the cusp of doing something interesting,
but it's not that whole catalyst of the silent King and
the Storm Lord butting heads.
That's the main thing about it.
I think as long as the Necron.
Yeah, but this is this is more from the Bellis are as cool
angle, isn't it?
This is like I think we actually have like we've maybe
a bit later that the silent King versus I've a set reverse
image.
I meant to say sorry.
I'm sorry.
But no, this is more like from the back.
I like it.
And the gashes but it's gonna be sore from emerging through
it.
Oh, no, this is more like the Blackstone stuff.
I do think again, it's just too early like Blackstone is
they're going to do try something interesting with it.
I don't I can I just like it's not happened yet though,
but it's again, they're laying their foundations.
It's it's that at least in Gene far.
It's like we can maybe close the the great rift if we work
together and all the mechanics are like, I like Blackstone.
That's a nice thing.
It's like focus you do this you do this you get this and
we can maybe close it and they're like, are you a heretic
and he's like, no, and then the necrons are in the background
punching each other in the face, which is fun.
I think we just leave it and be I think again, it's no
one.
You don't none of us feel that strongly about it.
These good gives more excuse for necrons always welcome.
The next one though, right and yeah plague was was
as I do not agree oddly enough.
I really like mainly just for like the last three chapters
of God Blight works just like the Emperor possesses
Gilliman and he looks at more Terran and he just says
something that I think about more than I probably should
because probably nothing but he just says I'll come get
you in a minute.
Don't worry.
You'll be fine.
Just stay stay chill and I'm like wait, he can do that.
Can he do that chat?
Can he do that?
Like can he undemon a Primark?
Apparently he can't have shit in Detroit.
Just need three washing cycles.
I mean to the whole plague was a I mean to fair.
This is this is the retcon plague was by the way, we
should mention.
Oh, never mind.
Cool.
I'm just going to see myself.
But no, I mean like this is the most modern one not
like the one where they did it.
They're like a weird bit in the original novel.
I heard like where they randomly found the Emperor's
sword in like an ice planet and then that's like no
longer there.
I didn't realize I was a thing but then Gilliman basically
possessed it since he reemerged and stuff like that.
I'm currently going through this book, although I'm
currently going through the series at the moment, but
I think it's pretty standout and obviously we got a
cool moment where Mortarion takes another L.
Deserved well deserved.
I know but I get so annoyed because I think so many
are the author knows because I either I've sent
something similar.
I've ranted about a particular character that will
be coming up soon.
Yeah, yeah, I don't know no spoilers, but yeah, I
it's nice to actually see Gilliman return and actually
do something and the books so far been pretty well
done out like it actually builds tension.
I think S tier, S tier, we're happy with that.
It's great.
And I also kind of like one of my favorite things
about that series was the gray shields where it's
just like all the orphans like Primaris of different
chapters all getting along and learning the different
like gimmicks about each other and like there's that
space wolf who's just like I'm a bit of the party
animal and Felix is in charge of the ultramarines
and then there's a bit where the world good buddies
and then it's like oh high school's over guys.
We're going to our respective chapters.
You know, oh the American pie moment of a guy's
role at college.
Oh my God.
They all get sent to different sororities because
they're upset.
Oh, right.
I already mentioned that with the King in yellow.
That was how chance to get an erection.
Here comes yours Arthur Decimus the prophet of the
eighth Legion.
Erectus Functionus.
Okay.
So, okay.
Okay.
Oh, oh, here we go.
I'm just going to step out.
I request clarification.
This is the specifically rating these on how much
we like them the quality of them or if they're going
to go anywhere.
I think it's not about going anywhere.
Well that might factor into how much you and you like
it, but this is we're just ranking them in terms of
white just from our perspective where we rate these
and like is that a better plot line is it good and
could it go somewhere interesting?
I suppose.
Was it or was it really good or was it worth the
work?
I okay.
So it's like it's like a sit down.
It's like a it's like I feel like I'm having a
like a conversation with like like a child that I
don't want to upset.
So I'm the guy who likes the Nightlords.
There's a few of us out there.
If you haven't noticed all Nightlord fans are the
raw mental dysfunctional.
No, they are.
They are.
It's just like I have no compunctions over the
fact that like oh,
Nightlord fans are the worst.
They like the worst things.
They will look at someone committing actual war
crimes and go.
He's just a little guy.
So every single time I'm like, oh, why do you like
the Nightlords like the Nightlords trilogy and
it's that good.
It is such a good series of books that it can turn
people into actual weirdos and I am one of them.
So I'm allowed to say that but I think we all got
to say you've got to sit down and say yeah, see
see see doing a mass.
I'm doing a I buy my script for this current night.
I've been working this for ages.
My current script, I think is nearly a 30,000
words.
It's like a nearly three hour four hour video.
Aha.
The entire Nightlords trilogy.
We need to sit down as a group of people and
realize that like we loved the books because of
Talos.
We love the books because of Septimus, Octavia,
Hound, all of the little characters.
Desimus.
Who's us?
Yeah.
We should mention this is the prophet of the 8th
Legion plot point about how it's eventually going
to lead into a craft war.
Who's not in the books until the last chapter of
the first book.
Yeah, that's still justifying my reasoning so I
don't get crucified later.
But B, I'm sorry.
It's like mid B because Decimus is one paragraph
and I'm going to be honest.
It's kind of silly where they're just like, oh
yeah, we got like we got the helmet of Zarl.
We got the the skin flaps of Uzass.
We got Talos's special magic sword and I'm like
didn't half of those people get blown up by
grenades?
Who the fuck is that particular?
Is it Markarian's Balter?
Yeah, Markarian's Combi Balter.
And it's just like from my read from the start
he's anonymous because he's like that's wrong.
I was like, is it?
I'm sure it's not.
Anyway, I think Mercutian just got fucked somehow.
Like he just ignored he existed for a little bit.
Yeah.
Also, doesn't he, Decimus doesn't have like the
black Nostralman eyes does he?
He was never born on Nostralmo.
So he was like he was the love child of like two
serfs in employee of the nightlords who Talos was
in charge of.
I guess he'll do.
He has any I think he's like a witch.
There's a current series going out now called
Renegades.
They've just they did the Alpha Legion one with
the Solomon character.
Decent book actually I like that.
There's the one they've just announced which well
just now they announced a while ago which is an
Empress children one.
I just wonder if that's an opportunity that they're
basically creating characters who are designed to
sort of gather together members of the Trace of
Legion's that are new.
They're like new characters.
I do think that'll be an opportunity for Decimus,
but I do agree like it's current it upsets me that
it's basically not gone anywhere for 10 years or 15
years.
The trouble is Talos was the the foundation of
those books and he's dead.
So I okay.
He's concluded.
So it's like you can't really build hype for a
character who's had so like but yes, he's got all
the trappings of the interesting characters,
but we don't know anything about him other than
that chapter.
He's just like I know when you'll die and when
you'll die.
Okay, Decimus calm down.
We don't know anything else about you yet.
There's that new book that's coming out that I'm
kind of holding out hope for.
I forgot what it was called, but it's more of
a Tenval. It's that it's a spear of something in
the interviews for it.
The lady who wrote it was like, oh yeah, there's
going to be a Nightlords character in it whose
name is the end of Saints and I'm like, okay,
that sounds good name strong name.
It's a Dark Souls boss name.
That's like a Dark Souls 2 boss name.
It's a guy in big armor.
Dark Souls 2.
Did you really have to ring up Dark Souls 2?
Oh no.
Collins is going to enjoy too much Dark Souls 2.
I think you know.
How many how many things do we have left here?
Okay, you know what?
I'll hold off on the Dark Souls 2.
I think we're happy with this one in B.
Right in the middle.
It's potential just undelivered potential, which
is trying.
Oh, Leon Leon gifted five memberships.
Thank you, Leon.
Thank you, brother.
Thank you.
What's the next one, Andy?
It's Psychic Awakening D.
D. Yeah, nah, for real.
Yeah.
Does anyone actually remember?
Who cares?
The thing is, it's like there's lots of subplots.
Like there's the War of the Spider with Fabius
Bial.
There's Lazarus from the Dark Angels.
There's also stuff, but it's it's all in like
Codex stuff and there's no bespoke books or
novels and it's all about the great great
rift is open.
Psychers are going rampant.
Everyone who's got psychic powers like Mephiston
are going bonkers with power.
It's like it's a really interesting concept,
but who cares?
It's like I need a book.
I need a book.
I really love how they had the elder fight the
elder and that one could just get them all out
of the way in one go.
That was really cool.
It makes you know, what is the medieval mid?
Can we can we bump up the scene up because it's
good just because it's the most of mid game.
I can't put it above Luther because I read his
book.
I've got that's fair.
Well, that was a real psychic awakening feeling
there.
I feel a tingling in my loins.
Is that a psychic awakening?
No psychic awakening.
It sure happened.
It sure psychic awakened.
So let's let's go for a palate cleanser.
The return of robot girly man.
It's the actual gathering store.
Come on.
S let's not pretend this is anything but S.
Yeah, if anybody says otherwise, they're still
riding the wave of oh, they're over hype.
They get everything done like no, no, no, no, no,
kind of hype like reboot a Gilliman and depressed
Kata secarius top tier good shit.
The thing is Primarks are supposed to be the ones
who like overachieve in every way.
So that's their thing.
Of course, they're going to like overshadow every
other character in the setting.
That's the point.
Anyway, someone argue that's not a not necessarily
a positive but that's a conversation for another
time.
As long as they can F to be called psychic awakening.
Thank you.
Psychic awakening is better than the Alpha Legion.
It is.
It is true.
Why is it not in?
What is that next one?
Oh, this one.
This is our men's rubric.
We should mention this is the second one.
He did it again.
Yeah, he did.
It's funny.
I don't know.
He did it in his novels.
He did a second one.
But by the way, he again got sabotage so hard and
it basically got turned into a he's that fucking
guy's like, I'm sure the recipe is good.
I'll just remake the dish is like it sucks.
Why are you putting tea bags in there and tarragon?
He went on doesn't work.
He basically tastes good this time.
It doesn't work.
Can I can I quickly interject?
Yeah, I didn't know the second one.
No, no, I didn't know that.
Jake Thornton return of Gilliman made me feel like my
actual dad.
Oh, Jake.
So I love you, buddy.
I just want to say F here.
I fucking hate thousand sons like they're no kindness
in my heart for thousand sons every time I read a
book about them.
They're like the personalities are so like, oh, he's
a passionate soul, very emotional and loves all his
brothers.
And I'm like, oh, and it's like, you know, this is
emblematic of the Legion.
And then I just finished the what the fuck is the
name of the first sad book in the the Horus heresy.
What's it called?
Battle for the Abyss.
And it's just like, oh, MoTep.
He's like super unemotional and he doesn't show any
emotion whatsoever as emblematic for the thousand
sons.
It's like that's the entire experience I have with
them.
It's like so many inconsistencies and also I just
hate them because they suck.
And so you're saying they're like the elder of Space
Marines.
Okay, let's not get crazy.
All right.
You should work for James Workshop.
Yeah, probably should it be great.
The second written right with the elder Lord of
Vision.
The second rubric of Ironman was the law where he
in his novels, he basically had given up and they
tried to take in prisoner as by his own brothers to
essentially they want to undo the rubric and he
sort of went but then that eliminates all hope.
So he's like, oh fuck that.
So he took over and had hope again only for that
hope to be built up into a massive collection for
the the actual ritual.
He wants to try and save his brothers and then he
got tricked and it got turned into basically
gathering like the shards of Magnus and putting
them back in the demon Primarch and the demon
Primarch of Magnus basically fucked him over
again.
But but it's not quite over yet because good old
zinchi boy here given her gave it his favorite man
who will never give up.
He resurrected one of the thousand sons and now
Ariamans got hope again that it might work if he
tries one more time.
He's like that guy.
He just won't get over a relationship.
So no bro.
I swear if I like get her flowers and I like track
down where she's moved to that she hasn't told me
where she lives.
I'm sure she'll take me back.
It's like let it go.
She's changed.
It's fine.
She's I'm still the best.
Anyway, we've had a donation from cock for $490.
Jesus Colin.
I saw Colin's face with my foot.
It's not a Colin.
You know, Colin Yells would cock at night.
It's his 10th super.
So that's it.
Hell, I will.
I will.
I will appreciate you not to judge what I do in
my free time.
He says starting an Empress children army.
Would you also just getting slarnash demons,
Chaos Marines or wait for inevitable new models
with Fulgund?
You gotta wait.
You should just play slarnash in Age of Sigmar
instead.
Best, best.
Also have fun with all your models breaking when
you transport them.
Also that also Leon Leon's donated a tenner saying
by the way all night.
Lord's got black eyes because Conrad jeans.
He'd also fucked the knife is wow.
You need to throw that one in.
We're friends.
He did apparently.
I don't think did all of them even the ones that
were like Terran born.
I guess it's like the the the Salaman beds where
it's a site.
Although their whole thing is like you have to be
in orbit of nocturn for the raise of the sun to
do.
I don't know.
I thought it was because the Terran borns were
like they basically gathered them from like a
a son as prison.
Yeah, they were like we got them from like under
like they were like basically the nostrallons
anyway.
I'm like a child in the back of the class desperately
trying to raise my hand because I remembered a
cute little Lord tidbit about like the so fun
fact actually nightlar's don't have all black
eyes.
They have just really really big pupils and you
see the voice of their eyes on their core on the
corners.
And I remember that because in the nightlords
none of those Conrad crime.
I was like he interacted with Corvus Corax and
was like man his eyes are completely black.
Why can't my eyes be completely black as he
just actually gets insecure about it.
Now I'm thinking of Conrad curse like but that
sponge Bob episode and stop looking at me with
them big old laughs.
Oh nightlord shadow also gifted 10 law crimes
memberships.
Thank you.
Assuming a fan of the nightlords as well with
that name.
That's he's also said Arthur he's a nerd.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, he's one of my discord server
moderators.
He's also one of the regulars of my chance.
I've known for like a while.
If you Jack doors, see your brother recognize
your name.
I mean as much as it hurts me because I actually
do I'm a big 30k fan of thousand sons.
Not really a full they got fan.
They're all dustable.
No, because I really like them the novel a
thousand songs lies the whole story that I
enjoyed quite particularly the fall of
prosper was enjoyable as much as like it was
then dying.
The only thing about thousand sons is like
Eskandar Kion is like I'm going to take over
Magnus you bitch is like, oh even your own sons
are out shining your Magnus.
What are you doing?
You nerd.
And I feel like that Ironman fails constant.
Like he just doesn't yeah.
Yeah.
But I did that too.
Plus two equals three.
I swear.
It's like no dude.
No.
The next one is the gold and the black angel
of the red first and the glory of the blood
angels kind of plot line.
Oh, they keep the blood angels going a bit
longer.
In plot line.
This is this is where the sanguine or basically
inherits this there's a in the warp near bar.
There's like two angels fighting for the soul
of the blood angels.
Yeah.
And the sanguine or inherits all the good.
Excuse me from the time the horrors heresy
basically the there's a struggle it like it
makes an imprint in the wall.
There are two wolves inside you and you need
to make sure you feed the right one kind of
yeah, I'm efficient essentially becomes he
embodies the black rage the angel and now
there's like two avatars of sanguineous is like
soul essentially and they have to now fight
a bit longer and they try to well eventually
hopefully fight off the black angel sort of
plot line part.
Yeah, it is much worse as much as done much
better in the books than I've done it there.
It is actually Eric though.
It is but it is I would tell if anyone like
blood angels, they were really kind of the
basic bitch.
I won't lie.
So it's for them.
This is really great.
I like the ultramarines but even I can admit
they're the basic bitch.
Let's let's be careful with that.
With the Gillam and stuff.
There's quite a bit of depth to it.
Whereas the blood angels is listen.
I've only got a thing for blood angels and I
have I don't enjoy I don't even enjoy talking
to my wife.
I like blood angels.
Okay, so that's all they like and this is a
great plot line for them.
Okay, at least in the novel that's done way
better than I've done it there.
It's like the best possible generic plot line.
It's like it's done really well, but it it's
capped by how like mid blood angels it is by
how psychic awakening it is.
Yeah, Immortek the storm Lord.
Immortek versus Zarek the war for supremacy of
the Necron race.
I feel like on behalf of Eli I should argue
that one up to an A.
I did think that's A because it's actually quite
I mean, it's not that they edge us to the point
where it's like it's not it's like it's gonna
happen guys.
It's gonna happen in the pariah nexus right now.
It's here.
I actually comes out like it.
I mean, you see it.
It's out.
It's neck pariah nexus is all about no like
Lord versus silent King.
But we want to see the the doors on you know,
that kind of like you give a normal slam down.
We're literally just that all of them.
He's like, please sir.
Can I have some more?
It is cool though to be fair.
It is cool and Necron's get law finally in yellow
at least see the vote.
I was not bent the king in yellow.
Yeah, hasn't got any just lies.
It's just telling it's just whispering sweet
nothings into my ear and going you say that all
of us are making videos about it.
All right, so let's like it is not poopy.
I promise I'll take you to a five-star restaurant
next month and I'll pay for it and I'll get a
taxi and we'll have it's like you've already
canceled so many times on me.
I'm not having this.
What's this?
This is vigilance.
Those are all serious.
I that thing that totally happens that happened
once upon a time.
This is definitely the psychic awakening point
to to put it.
I can not even be yet.
It's it's the psychic awakened version of the
fall of Kada.
Yeah, it's a it's a Wonder bread out of 10.
We have full of Kada at home.
So I think this is a this is unreaded toast of
lore.
Yeah, there was technically jazz.
Cool was there for a bit then not then Aberdon
was there for a bit and then Calgar Calgar kind
of gave him an uppercut.
Right then he was then he ran away and he teleported
out the last second.
Of course, S-tier.
No, come on, but the problem is like it's really
funny.
The only person I think who made a video about
Vigilus was Lutin and then no one cared about
Vigilus since oh, I was referring to Vigilus.
I do not know who cares.
Yes, D-tier, we don't really care apparently.
Right.
This next one.
There is an opportunity here.
I really need a wee but I know Arthur's a big fan
of the Votan.
So I'm just going to pop this here in C and this
is just am I right in thinking how this is just
the Votans release in general, right?
Yes.
This is okay.
Let you go and you go will will discuss.
Okay, you guys sort this out.
I'll be back in a minute.
Okay, so A-tier.
I'm going to start hot and heavy and say this is
where the we have diverging opinions.
I dislike the Votan so much.
Oh no.
Yes, because I think I said it before because it
is the most fumbled missed opportunity for something
unique.
Like it I hate how it's it's way too dwarfy like
Norse dwarfy.
What if you know, I mean, I don't mind that they're
short.
So I don't mind the dwarves, but I hate that it's
it's Norse dwarves.
If you know, I mean, like can it please not be
something else me and how come it is from the opposite
we were doing the horseshoe thing.
I wish they were more dwarfy.
I want that book.
I want the anvil.
We have I want slayer.
Yeah, but I want them in space.
You I will say it till the fucking sun extinguishes.
I want just fantasy but in space.
I don't want more.
You know what?
This is like the same thing of someone saying could
you imagine if they made a new faction and it was
kind of like discount skaven no, because they just
put regular skaven in it.
Yeah, you wouldn't you wouldn't and this is why the
vote and don't vote on as they currently are.
Listen, it's so is the fumble bag of like opportunities
because again, it should have been something completely
like way wackier like why they don't like like
their whole thing is that they have like STC is
right.
Isn't it?
I thought they have like the STC brain things.
That's like the vote on the vote on they so why not
embrace something like way crazy involved in that
without their half melded like cyber tech sort of
weird other culture mix into it is just so like it's
just it's just like slightly worse dwarfs.
Okay with the sci-fi with the most sci-fi look I
have like, you know, me like it's it's it's so
literally when can we put into chat be GBT Norse
dwarf site and then sci-fi and then they came up
with this it's so so you are correct, but you're
not right.
I disagree.
I think they're fantastic.
I think they're beautiful and I hate you.
I think the leagues of O-Ten are fantastic.
I think they are they were fumbled and GW hates me
specifically.
No, I have not taken my meds today and I will not
anymore.
I think leagues of O-Ten are such a missed
opportunity and they're slept on only because GW
for some fucking reason forgot that they existed
the second they were out the door.
Okay, I have read the Codex.
I have read every single single paragraph of lore
that's been released in every single one of the
beard crumb.
But have you played Deep Rock Galactic?
Okay, that's that's the fuck.
That's the okay.
I'm going to try and not raise my voice here.
I didn't play Deep Rock Galactic until like months
after I sort of playing leagues of O-Ten.
So I'm not I'm a fake fan.
I guess I absolutely adore their stone.
I adore their I think their lore is so fucking
interesting.
I like the fact that they literally just have a
Luke Skywalker guy.
They do fucking the the chosen.
What's his name?
Uther the destined he has a literal lightsaber
that upon the day of his birth the vote and was
like fuck we need to give this one a toy and they
they booted up and pulled out a random unknown
STC and then they made it and it's the sword of
ancestors and apparently he's so good at strategy.
God damn you guys don't know how good he is at
strategy.
He beat the likes of the purge, you know, that's
super relevant dangerous.
Chaos, you know, we know the purge of the world
leaders a minor contingent not a major one.
You like a real power energy right here.
Never have I heard such genuine and heartfelt
copium.
Colin I've just gone for a week.
Can you summarize what Arthur said while I was
gone?
Deep Rock Galactica.
Do correct me if I'm wrong.
The summary is massive dropped ball that everything
there is super cool.
If only GW would do anything with it.
We're technically the same argument.
I mean Arthur basically we're both like Miss
potential but mine is Miss potential.
I have no hope.
His is Miss potential.
The hope is so strong.
It's literally red pill versus blue pill.
Give me slayers.
Yeah, but they're not naked.
So it doesn't count.
You can make them naked.
We have 3D printers.
We have the technology.
If you can't go into the void of space with your
nipples out, don't talk to me.
They're not real slaves.
I would also like to bring attention to the Deep
Rock kindred of the greater Thurian League, which
means that they have so little lore that Deep
Rock Galactic is actually get into their fucking
lore.
Yeah.
I love I don't think I can even be convinced to go
into B tier.
Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
From Tom Warren by the way.
Oh no, we didn't.
We miss from Galactic.
Tom Tom Warren donated $5.
Thank you.
Pretty sure a dwarf said Bach in a gotrick and
Felix book.
So Bach and stone is clearly canon.
There we go.
Bach is a reference to what's the currency is Bach
again. I just would lizardman say joy.
Someone donates a nice fan of the channel donates
and their currency is box.
So we just keep is kind of an insider.
It's the Bank of Oklahoma.
We need to make a t-shirt design with a lizardman
that rock in one hand and then like we'll call it
Bach and stone and that we can author is sorry at
DJ B's but he said Arthur is huffing military grade
and I'm like, oh, I'm going to be a movie.
I have no idea how painful it is to be like we're
waiting for a book for at least almost a year and
a half now and they're like, hey, there's a new
book coming out and there's a vote and kindred on
the front.
I'm like, oh cool.
Oh fucking Nick Kime.
I don't mean to be rude, but uh, kind of what you
happen to be a fan of blood board.
Bowl or no blood board.
Well, blood board because I'm I'm getting I love
that game.
I'm getting the same attitude as every time Sony
has an announcement and the latest round of blood
board BC port starts.
Yeah, we need the internet five because that's me.
It's going to get 60 frames a second.
I swear.
That's the book he's talking about is the Dawn
of Fire like penultimate book when the finished
Dawn of Fire is almost finished and it's like the
penultimate one we can have one vote time and just
to be like he's a vote time.
Yeah, but that's easier.
I couldn't be like higher than like mid-sea because
like GW just hates them and I don't know why it's
like every chance we get a chance to get Lord.
It's like they get less lore than the fucking
fireside enclave and that should tell you something
John is there a army and they're not a faction yet
because they've actually they've there's nothing
I felt something in my chest when you said they've
got a codex.
I'm just saying the Empress children and they've been
here ages there.
They're on the they're on the up.
It's just I think the main thing is just like there's
so many spinning plates with GW.
There's so much they have to be.
Oh, they even like the line.
We've got the chaos stuff.
We've got Gilliman.
We've got the announced recently got the elder and
then it's like very time then the announcement that
they're not doing new factions for old world kids
level not happening anymore.
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna not say my reaction to
that on the internet.
So but Andy they spin those plates just fine in
fantasy and Age of Sigmar out of every criticism you
can launch at those settings factions not getting
equal attention.
It's not one of them.
Yeah, so to and then I will say I will counter that
though with like although there is a resurgence going
on with fantasy 40k is still the breadwinner.
So they have to be more like shit.
This is this is the higher got to be say losses.
I didn't get their breadwinner, you know army any
little I doubt we're gonna get anything that matches
the line release in terms of like here's a cool model
and it's like I need that and it's like dying whisper
of the law.
We got to keep cracking.
Yeah, we're almost there.
After this.
Leon will have my mouth down.
I'm fine.
What is what?
Oh, I who cares?
This is the wolf time.
F the wolf clown to clown.
Okay, I'd put that shit below Alpha Legion.
I fucking I think the I wouldn't I wouldn't I actually
like the space was a little but didn't you like the
fact that it was the novel wolf time that wasn't the
wolf time.
I haven't read that one yet.
Wolf listen to that one.
That's thing is Dornifier is already like dead and
that's one of their books.
So it's like it's it's that's like, oh put it out the
airlock.
It's fine.
So Shane cover art so nice on the Dornifier series
and the Horus heresy cover cover art for a lot of
them is the derpiest thing I've ever seen like the
lion in Ruinstorm is the worst cover art I've ever
seen.
That guy looks horrible.
He looks strange.
He looks like dog the bounty hunter.
Oh, so so we got a donation from Melted Phoenix for
thirty point nine nine Australian dollars.
I believe it is.
Thank you brother.
Thank you.
I'm going to say in my best Australian accent.
Hey, hey boys glad to finally catch a stream and
ESP one with Connor.
It's a great surprise for my birthday for my two
favorite Warhammer creators to collab.
Thank you Melted Phoenix.
I'm going to assume I'm the second favorite.
Even though I know it's probably Colin anyway has
to be Colin's glitchy our favorite.
Thank you.
Also, you should all check the Riverside chat.
What have you done?
I can't.
We can't say that next base of this.
I assure you everyone.
I did not say something.
Hey, this is swiftly on moving swiftly.
It's still anything word.
There is possibly power struggle.
I added this because there's kind of an allude to
like call fair on an Erebus are squabbling over
who runs the word barrows.
Now that law guards taking taking a 10,000 year gap
here like in his tower doing nothing but masturbating
like it smells like pork and sea salt.
What the?
I think I think you need a doctor.
I mean like it's just like 10,000 year goon session
by the end of it.
It sends again again.
He goes to super demon.
We put this in be just for that joke.
I don't actually care about I was going to say F here
because I'm going to make the word.
Can we not put it in F here for fuck arrow?
It's literally yeah, we're going to put it below.
No, we're going to put it above our man because our
man's a nerd.
Yeah, I like the word various more than I like the
thousand sons, which I feel like it's the most
controversial thing I've said tonight.
The only thing is like the fire the thousand sons in
current day have like two characters like Magnus on
Armour and everyone else is just filler.
It's like oh, it's kind of not much to talk about.
They're literally filler because they're just dust
and armor.
I mean, there's dust in the ceramide.
Last tour.
We want to just put him next to arcs of Omen.
Yeah, I mean, it's got is meant to be a new plot
line.
This whole him turning into a God but it feels like
it's just a continuous.
How dumb is it not going to happen?
It's not going to happen because then we're going to
cross that lake inevitable age of Sigmar boundary
where you can actually start putting gods on the
field and then that's a fucking slide.
It sounds like only a good thing.
Yeah, I can't wait to put like the the Kragnos
equivalent for fucking orcs on the table.
Please give me Avatar of Eshoff.
As a Nergal faction.
Why is Tom Warren saying I don't like how many times
the word goon has been used during this stream?
I'm sorry one meal at a time.
I'm stealing the word goongar.
I really like that.
Goongar iron fist.
Oh my God.
F, F.
We don't need to discuss this.
Let's just leave.
Let's be done.
Put it at the bottom of F.
No, you down.
You put that down.
What is it?
You bring that?
No, behind Alpha Legion behind.
Oh, this is a momentous occasion.
It's the Inari.
It sucks.
Oh, yeah.
I love the Inari.
It's put behind his least favorite faction.
That's crazy.
That's because it's not lore.
It's faction assassination.
In fact, it's not even canon anymore.
You want to see all the Eldar get licked to death because that happens.
Thank you keeper of secrets.
God.
You have a lick of tongue just going.
Hey, you see this cool plot?
It's like fucking that chowder and nothing can go wrong.
Oh no, no, no.
Wrong.
The ritual.
Do we just explain briefly what happened?
Just for people to go on a test.
Eldred, the prophecy of Iniad is that when all the Eldar finally die, they'll make a death god and he will kill Slenesh.
Eldred decided he'd fast track that by getting the souls of every seer he could get his hands on.
And sacrifice, kind of sacrifice weird ritual them together to bring Iniad out early.
The Death Watch interrupted it despite the Eldar in probably the first instance of them genuinely pleading.
Please don't do this.
This is beneficial to literally everyone.
The Death Watch went no and then ruined it.
And then Yvrain, Kamara, she's now the avatar of Iniad.
And then everything goes wrong.
Everything they do is met with failure and ruin and nothing good.
She has a cat.
Awesome.
Yeah, that's the only thing I can say is positive.
Her models, the models are cool.
That is the end of it.
Fucking Yvrain and people like her, the quintessential like I can fix her, but no, her plan is to make you worse.
It's fucking hate.
I just.
No, no, not a lot of talk on this.
I'd just like to say I'm here for that second thing.
I'm not here to fix.
Oh, okay.
Okay, cool.
You go into that death metal gig and you see that goth chick in the background.
You're like, I know this is a bad decision, but I think I'm going to go talk to her.
What's the meme?
My dick has led me places where I wouldn't even go with a gun.
And on that note, we have two donations.
It's fucking James Sunderland walking in the silent hell.
Yes, you know the exact ones.
On that note, Leon Leon said for a ten pounds donation, he said,
I watch all your guys YouTube channels, but never realize that you guys do channels the other BS.
Thankful is on double S tier.
Yes.
And Brian Namist donated $5 saying Primark goon sessions currently was something I wasn't expecting to hear.
Those are law crimes.
You are welcome.
Oh man, a la now.
Oh my God.
That is I guess the plot lines tealist the plot was thick with the opinions.
Yeah, we can say that.
Yeah, some like that.
Apparently we have time for one more.
I think Colin, are you what's your time?
I could do the other one real quick as long as everyone here has time.
It's still a hammer.
I do get a bit about of like an hour and a half to two hours before I got a head out.
So if I got a headway, I'm fine.
We should be that this one.
It's just this is just the factions not the Lords.
We can get that one.
Don't thank God.
If it was Lords, I was oh no God.
Just the factions.
We got that one done properly quick.
Well, Colin, would you like to announce what our next tier list is then?
Of course, it's the all the factions as of Total War Hammer 3 and Warhammer Total War.
Wow.
I'm going to rely on you guys for this because I still what's the scale when measuring this by because some of these are like.
We're not going to we got measured by how good they are in game.
But that's a user enjoyment.
I was just saying by how fun they are.
And I have some perhaps controversial things to say about some of them.
It's going to either go peacefully on the first one or there's going to be like actual fights going on just with Beastmen alone.
I'm I'm going to give Beastmen a yeah.
I'd say S for me because it's just mainly because of Tauros.
I.
Oh, that's a good point.
The Beastmen are forever tainted with me in their original incarnation.
And I know it's not entirely fair, but it's like I think about it.
I know it's completely gone away with but it's like it's the first DLC, though.
It's like it's I get why I don't blame them.
It's just like it wasn't good.
Yeah.
For those who would like live through it.
It was pretty made.
It was a definite psychic awakening of DLCs for quite a long time.
But as it plays now, it's just steam train.
It just chunks.
It goes through and Tauros is the is my shiny beloved.
Yeah. Tauros is the army.
Everything else is just set dressing.
Yeah. He just and the fact I do even do better back then when they had the monitors first come out,
their animations were pretty like still and I would say one of the best in the game.
But they can actually like the people.
The no no faction has bad aesthetics in Total Warhammer.
It's just the mechanics were dog water.
I you know what I asked go on gone.
We'll have to do for us to for us.
Low as low as let's just say it's superb.
I like making noises.
I've never heard him.
I just I like my empire building too much.
I don't like building an empire of shit.
Right.
By the way, almost like I would because I play Beastman.
By the way, I'm a bit concerned.
This next one looks like an Alpha Legion logo.
No, that's Kathy.
Shut up.
Yeah, Kathy is pretty cool.
You saw there.
It looks like Chinese.
That's Kathy.
Also, it's not China.
I'd say right high B low a I give them.
Yeah, I think low a is good.
I love the caravans because even when you if you're doing nothing,
you're always doing something with the caravan events.
Other than that, the defense of the great that you do get access to pretty
good to battles early on like scale ones as well.
And the fact that you can also do
Ming best Lord.
Yeah, him and Galter best buddies.
I haven't played the new Lord of them.
I was actually probably going to do that after this and after my own stream.
But I do like the fact that you could just click and they die.
Oh, yeah.
He's very fun.
I've heard it.
I like the oh and it's like, oh, what does he upgrade?
Oh, literally nothing except oh, you can kill them at 20 percent.
Now 30 percent.
Now 40 percent of their health.
I'm like, oh, no, it's it's a it's very fun.
Even as like entry mechanics.
I don't remember the name of it, but it's fun to.
Yeah, I'd give them a I accept the mean low a but they're they're fun.
I don't I don't like the cast or this is this is going to get me in trouble.
I feel I do not like the chores.
I fucking adore them.
I just don't like the fact that they make me feel like an idiot,
smooth brain who can't figure out how basic mechanics work.
That's the thing.
I feel like I'm playing a paradox game and I don't want to play a paradox game
when I launch Total War is chores like the clanker, like the version of clankers
for the next time.
Yeah, you can.
The universe is chaos.
Oh, OK.
They also have the worst chaff in the game.
I it's for a reason.
They're not really meant to have chaff.
I get it.
But like even beyond that, I have problems.
Like one of their main range units is basically not a range unit.
It has the same.
But the train gun, the train mortar.
I read, read, don't go down.
You need to deal with their spreadsheet paradox mechanics for like three hours before you get it.
Listen. OK.
Sorry, this is coming from a man who played still on.
Yeah, and I play for because when I'm in the mood for those games,
I'll just go play a paradox game.
I I have no dog in the race.
I am just genuinely a smooth brain when it comes to playing strategy games.
So I'll say low B just because a big bull thing is cool.
I could leave it and see if if everyone if Collins, my my love for them is nowhere
near as strong as I'm not even love my life for them is nowhere near as strong
as Collins dislikes.
If we really want to put them in B, I'll live with it.
But I just don't like them.
I don't have fun.
Okay. Next one is ST.
D. Fuck you.
Bretonnia garbage.
I think Bretonnia is fun if you like cavalry and if cavalry weren't dog shit.
It's a good thing that Eli isn't here.
I vouch for him on the Silent King and Zarek.
I will say the old video that was like, oh, the peasant mob. I'm like, okay, peasant
entire army.
They're high D for me just because you can run the entire peasant mob.
That's just like, oh, why does this peasant have 300 leadership?
Buffs.
You know, I do get upset with them when if you if you do anything in Norsca,
the fact that a Breton army can somehow appear and then Leon is leading a crusade
like from turn five, it's like, oh good.
And if you're playing the Empire, it's like, oh, hey, Marienburg, that's a good
province to take.
Oh, look, he's taking that too.
You pick a faction in that region and Leon Kor's job is to make you wish you did
not pick that faction.
Yeah, it's because bonjour, oh no, get out of here.
Does your ranking of Bretonnia get better or worse if the Red Duke becomes a
Bretonian faction?
He'd be vampire count.
So I just wouldn't consider him Bretonnia.
Okay.
No, we'll have to leave it.
That's that's my that's my final statement.
Well, he lives in here.
We're not going to get told off until he sees this and goes, what?
What's this?
That's the dark elves.
Necrol and Nicaroth.
Be young.
Okay.
Slavery is fun.
I'm going to be controversial.
What's his name?
The guy who does like destiny to Skeletor memes on his channel, and
there's a world of what does it say?
Does it involve slavery?
And he's like, it's power world.
When he shoots it with a gun, like, you know, destiny, the stream and I was like,
well, you know, the game.
Did people still play destiny to?
Yeah, unfortunately.
They're like the abused housewives of gaming.
Clown to clown communication.
Bro, I have not touched that since...
Oh, what was the actual last good DLC?
Launch?
There are no good DLCs, they're just launches and you play for a month and go, oh this is bad now.
So, so the... not so the Cil.
Savathun?
Savathun, the last good DLC.
Goku.
Which game?
Goku did not appear in Destiny 2.
I have unfortunate opinions about Savathun that would probably get me evicted.
Savathun defeat picks?
So moving on.
So Dark Elves.
I actually like them.
My opinion for elves is restricted to like more or less like 40k because they're absolutely
fucking poop from a butt from that fucking setting.
Dark Elves, I actually really like them.
Except for Malice Darkblade, that is someone's OC that somehow became canon.
That's why he's great because he's shadow that hedgehog but an elf.
But they have the true Phoenix King.
Shut up.
I love that guy.
But they have, they canonically have the true Phoenix King.
That got retconned in Age of Sigmar.
All the Phoenix Kings from Slyness's gut had fragments of Assyrian in them.
That got retconned and I'm so glad it did.
I agree, high B for some reason.
Don't touch Colin in his Eldar lore.
Don't do it.
Dwarves S tier.
Bad.
Marathi.
Bad touch.
Dwarves S tier?
Hard agree.
What, mommy Marathi?
To ask Marathi, the lady who's just constantly literally living the life of fuck around and
find out.
She can make me worse?
No.
Oh no.
Colin's like, even though one of those guys is just like, I can fix, is like, I don't want
to fix her.
She can do what she wants.
She can fix me.
Oh, come on.
Dwarves are S tier.
Come on.
No, they're not for two reasons.
Gotrik for what you can get him as any order fraction.
Uh huh.
And?
I love their play style as well.
Look, I love their play style too.
There's two problems with them.
One is that they, I love artillery.
I love their guns.
They lack so many things.
No cavalry.
Like it's mostly just the cavalry thing.
But like I, as much as I hate Bretonnia for being only cavalry, I need some.
And I like, I don't like that.
I don't get it with the dwarfs.
My second problem is that you pick them as a starting race and then an orc is beating
you to death in five turns, especially Thor Grim.
Oh no.
It, you, you, you are under attack on all fronts and it's brutal only surpassed by one
faction, which is actually coming up next.
Bear in mind, I've never played these games because I don't have a way to play them.
But that particular qualm seems like a skill issue.
Possibly.
Oh, nothing.
I'm just saying that sounds like complaining about like, I don't like this.
Was that color?
All right.
Uh, that cuts deep.
Nothing.
I don't have a reference point.
I'm just saying like, that just sounds like a weird point to be like, I don't like how
this happens.
Well, first it was the dwarfs always kick the shit out of the orcs and then they just
flipped it when the orcs got their update.
Yeah.
What were you saying, Connor?
Um, nothing makes the synapses in my brain fire more than when you have late game Thoric
iron brow with nothing but quarrelers and you're firing at every single work.
You can see like the beginning scenes of fucking predator into the jungle and nothing
survives.
Est here or I'm leaving.
I think it's Est here anyway.
They are the other issue my place is all which is hunker down, grind it out.
Yeah.
Oh, what is happening?
Camping turtle.
Oh no.
What is it?
I can really use the pizza.
Now, apparently if we just get in the way with here, dare you dare you pizza person?
This is what happens when you put the boy, you put the door.
This is what happens.
We're not having this.
The pizza trying to eat us.
As for Sigmar.
Hard agree.
Balthazar gelt everyone.
The greatest character in the fucking game.
What's the better?
Everyone was about like 60% of all players are playing Empire.
Yeah.
Cause it's fucking Carl France and Balthazar gelt.
He's great too, but he's not friends.
The golden order was the only thing I just, I hated playing.
How many times do you think the Empire secessionists have had the shit kicked out of them since the launch of Double D.
No, I can't go away.
I crack my knuckles, not enough.
Leon Leon gave us five pounds.
Thank you very much, brother.
He says put mama Marathi on Double D.
No, we had to get the spray bottle for you.
Orcs are also S tier.
Greenskins are so fun.
You hit the funny wah button and your armies are doubled.
Yeah.
There's nothing wrong with them.
I even love the fact that like, God, what's the, oh God, I can't remember his name.
A naked orc that leads other naked orcs.
What's his name?
Oh, feral.
Feral orcs.
Oh, Wozeg.
Wozeg.
I love Wozeg because he has an IQ floating somewhere around the single digits and I can
relate to that on a normal spiritual level.
But the fact that like he's like, oh, everybody gets double their charge bonus in a game where
charge bonus is completely useless.
But the numbers going up make me feel nice.
So exactly.
I love him as a character.
I love everything he can do.
S tier.
I put something in the discord and Mr. Bones, I shall send it to you.
This is the orc play style and I love it.
Atum, Salman, oh, Salem, Poles of I says S for summon the electric cats.
Thank you, brother.
Yes.
I remember this because we've discussed this exact.
Oh, yeah, we did.
Yeah.
The one time we did a fucking a stream and we were just fucking around for the majority.
I owe you one cheesy cheap AI defeat.
Yeah, that was really funny.
The next one is Hexolotl.
I think it is that is
literally mid.
I'd say B.
It's like the Awakened Toads.
If you're there for it and especially Gorak, because Gorak is just unkillable
and Lord Kurok you start with them.
So it can be fun, but you need to be in the mood for quite literally lizard brain.
I tried to do Krokgar campaign with like a.
Oh, so you were in hell.
I, you know, we were doing like a two player campaign and he was playing Skaave.
What's the Skaave?
And that's this is that's not right.
And this was one of the two he was.
No, it's the one.
Thraught.
The one the red armor.
Oh, my God.
I'm blank week.
Que.
He's playing Queak.
And we were planning like to just have like a basically we'd end up meeting up and then
having like a one on the one.
I couldn't even get off the I was getting crocked.
I just couldn't get a snowballing.
I forgot that his name was actually Queak because I have friends who have fucking the
worst sense of humor.
So like my like they.
The beats are again.
Yeah, so we don't call them Queak head taker.
The Fox.
A Queak bed shaker.
And I did.
Oh, my God.
I've been sitting for a while now.
So I genuinely was like, who the fuck?
Oh, that guy.
Yeah.
Did you think that was a Skaven?
Was called Queak.
There is a non zero percent chance.
Oh, my Lord.
But I think the reason why Lizard Man is like absolutely mid is because
your experience with each lord varies so fucking much like Gorak.
That is easy mode.
That is so fun to just be able to beat the shit out of like that squid faced fucking
then take over his entire coast.
That's great.
But then you have like shit like God.
What's the big guy?
Crocs agor.
Not crock are Nikai the Wanderer.
Nikai the Wanderer.
Yeah, that's a fun one.
That's that's not easy nor fun.
So that's why they're like in the middle because they have some of the funnest and some of
the worst because Mazda Mundi, when you get the orbital laser and can drop the fucking
hammer.
Oh, yeah.
The next one is I mean, this I'm going to say something that's going to get people
unhappy with me.
C tier.
I'm saying D they're fucking hard.
They are such you are they are bullied.
Dragging your balls through glass for the first 50 turns of a Tomb Kings campaign.
Yeah.
If you're going for that experience and you get exactly what you want, it's kind of fun
though.
To be fair.
It's the only reason I will play them is because I would like to hear Settra's voice
lines.
Yeah, no, that's also very valid.
So they're up to a C just because Settra exists for me.
Corn corn.
I'll give them the bottom of a.
Yeah, just like the play style is so fun, though.
Isn't it?
Yeah, I click them.
They die.
Yeah, it's it's even more monkey brain than the Lizardmen.
But that's all you're getting.
Yeah.
Which if you're in the mood, hey.
It's also nice having like it's it's basically what the beastman was with Torok, but it's
just a bit of a notch higher.
I mean, are there like two lords?
No, there's oh, yeah, no, there's one.
Because I think Val'ky is technically Warriors of Chaos.
OK, so we're not even rating the faction of corn.
We're rating how fun Scarbrand is.
Basically.
Yeah.
Hey, Scarbrand's fun, but like it's the same as Torok's.
But with less choice.
No, I think it's fun.
I love Empire Building.
No, but you know, you it's the Empire Building.
You've got a home.
Yeah, but I I hate Scarber.
I hate the corn settlement mechanic because you raise a settlement and then it's like,
oh, it's a five percent chance.
Awesome.
So I'll be here for three years and maybe it'll settle.
Yeah, but when it does, you feel really good because number go up.
Yeah, but I could just occupy and make number go up like a normal person.
Yeah, but number.
By the way, we we got a first time donation from that great shark.
Seventy seven before ninety nine dollars.
Thank you, brother.
The pizza faction is great with my favorite hero in Total Warhammer, the Noid.
Oh, my God.
Jesus.
Kislev.
See, the game is rubbish.
If you would have asked me this question, like before Mother fucking Astankhia came out,
I would have said the same, but I'm saying B because you now have basically what we want
from Kugath as an old lady in the woods firing fucking Warwell said people at Warp Nine.
It's fucking amazing.
That's fair.
The aesthetic is a favorite of me as well.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Also, it's amazing.
Kislev.
The bear cavalry.
The winged the winged bear cavalry.
Question, are we rating them off of them pre-update because they just got like, I think yesterday,
shitload of new stuff.
I haven't played any of that.
This is like pre-update, I'll admit.
Uh, no, I'm going to give them top of eight here.
OK, I can.
It's kind of boring in the donut, isn't it?
Yeah, but you leave the donut or don't pick Tyrion.
Yeah, pick Teclis.
Then you're not going to be bored.
You're going to be in hell.
Imrik was fun.
And then I realized charge.
But I'm going to leave the donut.
Imrik was fun, and then I realized charge bonuses mean nothing.
Yeah.
But I'm going to be honest, the reason I don't give them S is because I hate people who go,
yeah, play high elves, just build 500 nobles and cheese the economy.
Like, you're not you're not fun.
Can we put them below dwarves, please?
As a gift to me.
Below beastmen, even.
I generally like, I hate to do with the donut.
But I like bears.
You don't need to be on the donut.
Even fighting them.
You can leave the donut.
I like bears.
You don't need to be.
There are plenty of elves who aren't on the donut.
This is Kovian.
Put another the donut is too traumatizing.
Bears are cool.
The nice.
Oh, but two of their lords aren't on the donut.
That's why bears is underrated.
I will not hear otherwise.
Yeah.
How does it feel?
This is me with Botan every day of my life.
Put Skaven in this here.
Yeah, Skaven.
It's not even a question.
Um, actually.
All right.
All the things you can play.
I'd say low S high A because again, your experience does vary depending on the Lord.
Yeah, that's fair.
It's quite I've never played Tretch in my life.
Yeah, right.
Clam Molder sucks.
Molder is difficult as well.
Clan Molder is so fun though, because you just get surprise for help and abominations.
Yeah, that's that's the fun one.
I like it's hard.
I haven't weaponized poor genetics.
Yeah, dude, click.
I'm feeling lucky on a creature's DNA.
I love over mutating them so that they all have a self destruct button.
So if ever I just don't feel like playing this army out, I'm just like, fuck it.
We ball.
Then it happens.
Whoa.
Norse.
This is Norse.
I don't care.
Above Bretonnia, but still in D.
I've tried really hard to make this that faction work.
I want to like the aesthetic quite a bit.
Mammoth Frog.
Amir.
And I just I've tried so hard to make that one work and I just can't because this is
you get, you know, as much as you want, glass cannon.
Funny enough, the amount of times your cannon has to be thrown at another army,
it does be breaks.
So yeah, it's too painful.
I would give Nergal a C.
More bottom of B.
It's just I I appreciate taking things slow and steady.
He does it too much.
Yeah.
Lower than Tomb Kings.
Yeah.
The growth thing I hate.
It's very fitting thematic.
I don't like it as a mechanic.
It's terrible.
Unironically.
Kugath is a great lord because again, he's an artillery piece that casts.
Yeah.
And throws little dudes.
That's very true.
But the unit, the units are pretty sick.
The little Nurgling still.
Something brings light to my life at the fact that Nurgling are animated like that.
Optimus Prime robot.
Yeah.
Ogres are bottom of B because their campaign mechanics are kind of agony.
But the song.
OK.
Well, yeah, but the song and their play style are fun.
I just hate ogre camps that you can't move them.
Oh, but the Ogre Kingdoms trailer is just a song.
Oh, yeah.
What's it like?
Give me your end.
I think it does look my head.
But if you had the watch in is pretty damn.
The voice in our ears.
We relish the sound of it.
We hunger and feast on any man, any beast.
Doesn't matter.
We'll snack on them all.
It's worth noting that the top comment on that trailer is finally Londoners have their
own song.
The thing is, the way that Arthur did it at least, I think it was a good thing.
The thing is, the way that Arthur did it, at least I feel like you could patch that into
Assassin's Creed Black Flag and no one would notice when you see you absolutely just fit.
It is definitely different.
They are the king.
They are like the campaign of like true day in the life of a true Brexit geezer.
So I will please put them above the lizard man.
Lovely.
Yeah.
We put so much right above Nergal because I like so much campaign mechanics.
I do not like their units.
I it's too much micro honestly.
I find my dumb rat brain.
I can't.
The only thing you don't micro are the dog shit like first year warrior units fall apart
if they get looked at angrily.
Yeah.
Akari's fun, but like seduce.
Yeah.
But Kari's fun seducing like the units to get them on your side is fun.
The cults are fun.
Suddenly three cults surprise across the world is very funny.
But yeah.
Yeah.
It needs again that it needs like a proper looking lovely today.
Oh, sure.
It is.
It's very close.
Easy.
I was like vampire pirate.
Yes.
This is the fact.
I play the most.
Has anyone even tried Sia Luster before?
I did as a joke once and I didn't like it.
I didn't like that.
Yeah.
It was a bit too compared to the other lords you have on option.
Why would you ever?
It just I don't know.
The other lords meaning Luther and the guy who's in the middle.
From the other two.
Yeah.
Count Noctilis.
Yeah.
Count Noctilis.
My bit my beloved.
He he's the most fun campaign because he's literally dead in the middle.
There's you can do anything you want.
Yeah.
Come get me.
I dare you.
You're not coming.
Honestly, the vampire goes.
It's for AI.
It is as much as I said, like dwarfs my play style.
Vampire Closers is the one I've done the most just because eventually you just get a
10 crab army.
And they have a shanty.
They do have the shanties.
So they can that trailer also goes hard.
I don't know.
I don't remember that.
I have my.
Zeen.
They're going to cry this one.
If people would go bad.
I'm going to say a high tier because they're super fucking fun.
I really like zines.
Oh, I think top of B because his man his campaign mechanics make my brain hurt because I always
feel like I'm not using them right.
Do you feel like you're doing a paradox game?
No, I feel like I'm being stupid with everything I do.
I feel like the game judges me and I can't explain it.
I want to put it in a honestly.
I loved it.
So it's because I'm a I'm Zeench's bitch when it comes to anything.
I mean, I just love them.
Yeah, this is the bit of bias.
I won't lie, though.
But if it's in B, I'll settle.
Demons of chaos.
Bottom of B because on the one hand, you get every single demon unit, which is so fun in
the end game.
On the other hand, you spend the first 30 turns with malice, dark blade beating the shit out
of you.
And it's not fun.
Is it as a little as real?
No, it's Daniel.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Bellacor isn't even like a member of the demons of chaos.
He's warriors of chaos.
Right.
Yeah.
That's really fucking stupid.
Yeah.
Fucking Daniel.
But vampire counts.
S tier, baby.
S tier.
I'd say I'd agree.
The only issue is that like, I'm too fucking smooth brain to not charge the gun lines.
But the thing is, just have three extra armies of nothing but zombies.
Yeah, zombie.
Go forward.
It doesn't matter if they die.
You know what?
They're S tier just because Helm and Gorst exists.
My main man.
There was a whole, there was a good few years where like, people would actually lose their
crap at the fact that he existed in the game because he served no purpose.
And now he's like suddenly had like a glow up.
It looped around because he's like the underdog.
You see this old like haggard dude wandering up to fight Scarbrand.
With his brother's corpses in his corpse.
Yeah.
Duck taping them together.
And that's what makes them super strong for some reason.
It's great.
Vampire counts are a risk to yourselves.
Vampire counts are the next one, Andy.
Might as well have that weapon in Dark Souls 2 where it's like a pike and there's like a corpse
in the end.
You hit it against a wall and it breaks and you're like,
this is actually a good weapon.
Even though there's like a person on the end who's like, anyway, what's this?
I don't remember that.
Inarris Targaryen.
Wow.
That's the vampire counts.
That's S tier.
Oh yeah.
S tier.
S tier?
More than Skaven?
No.
It's hard to, I mean, Skaven is just, it feels like it's in his own realm because it's just
funny.
This is his own.
Warriors of Chaos.
Now this is what I was thinking.
I was curious.
I, I, I do, I do not care for the warriors.
Warriors of Chaos.
I think they insist upon themselves.
They're fucking VHD coded mechanics of like, oh, you don't like this guy?
Turn him into a spawn.
I'll turn him into a possessed.
It's like, I never get bored when I'm playing that.
And also the, what's his name?
The changeling.
Oh my God.
I'm having a stroke.
Like, oh, increase your spell mastery and spell potency.
The longer he's in melee and increase your melee capabilities by how many times you cast
spells.
It's like, okay.
Is it Azrael that is in that one?
That's like the Shigon.
He's actually when I mean, that's one of the most enjoyable ones I ever did.
So I, I'd wait to put an A.
Come on.
A.
An A?
Cause it's like, is the best of both worlds in terms of like,
Warriors of Chaos normally like, sorry, like the demon one is kind of like, you just don't
have access to the, you know what I mean?
I mean, with demons, it feels like you always have the hammer, but you never have the anvil.
That's what you make an army of nothing but greater demons in the end game.
Warriors of Chaos for like the most balanced, well played, fair.
And then again, you can, it is the most fun cause it's the side positions are pretty good
as well.
I've just never jelled with them, but fair enough.
I don't, I probably haven't given them enough of a chance.
I can live with them.
Are they better than Khorne in China?
No.
I mean, that's what it is.
Cathay is just another word for China.
Oh, it's the Elves.
The Bretonniens Elves.
Oh God.
No, bring them up.
Tree Hitler.
Derthu.
Hitler was a vegetarian.
It checks out.
Okay. Beat it.
What? What's going on?
I'm confused.
You know what?
I'm going to say it.
Chicken.
Go away, adverts.
Geez.
If you want this real estate, we're going to put some adverts.
I've always wanted to enjoy wood elves more than I actually have.
Right.
I, I enjoy them because I love nothing but tree men.
And I also love being a murderous park ranger.
It just feels like greater demons, but they aren't as good.
To be fair, that's gray shark 77 just put, I find them boring.
Colin, can you rebut this statement?
I don't find them boring.
No, what's going on?
I don't know what's going on.
I was half green.
Give him top of B.
I say that like wood elves are like, I'm not anti elf entirely.
So like I give them all a chance in this.
And I've tried like all of the elven or the wood elf lords.
And like every time I try to play them, I just like, I come up with this theory and I see like,
what's his name?
The guy, Orion.
And he's like, or Orion.
Orion.
Mel Gibson.
Oh, and he has like, oh, you get a bonus to charges and like a bonus to wild riders.
And I'm like, cool.
I've never used wild riders.
They're a monstrous calf.
And I'm like, I like that.
That's cool.
And then I build up everything to give them as many buffs as possible.
Then I get them and they're just OK.
That's kind of my experience with all of the wood elf roster, except for the birds, the birds
with the ladies that have the bows, those are unironically the most dangerous threat known
to man in that game.
Yeah, I'm happy to leave it there, I think.
Yeah.
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Thank you for having me.
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That was really good.
No worries.
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