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We should be live. Hello everyone, we should be live. Please let us know if you can hear

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us properly. Hello everyone.

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That would be good.

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We liked, we were so professional that we was making sure we are definitely here. Please

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let us know you can hear us guys. Is there one, I guess I might explain what we're going

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to be talking about today because this was a little baby I've cooked up with some help

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here because 40k can be amazing and badass, but yet it also kind of can make you cry sometimes.

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Let's talk about some of the things that really just hit you in the fields. Maybe we'll talk

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about some great victories and funny moments, like 40k's funniest moments in the future

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as a tier list, but for today is going to be tragedies. It's going to, and it's not

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just any singular sort of one event, it's kind of spread out. It's not just Imperium,

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it'll be a little bit of Xenos in there. And I will specify as well, we're not doing, the

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Horus Heresy is not on this list because that's not really one event and it has multiple things

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in it. And it's maybe not specific character deaths, maybe one or two in there, but nothing.

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If we did every character death, we wouldn't be, we'd be here all night. So we're not going

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to be doing that though.

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I'd put it in F tier for funny. The big funny though. We're going to start off, some of

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these are quite big, so we'll have to explain a few things that happened in these events

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and why it could be pretty sad. But I guess we start with the first one, Andy, I think,

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which is top left. It is the first black crusade and specifically this one.

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We got Abaddon in it, so it's going in D. Yeah. Okay. Where we put Abaddon in this first

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black crusade.

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He was asleep, he was slumbering and then his eyes went, I hear bullshitting. Anyway.

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We should specify though, during the first black crusade, we did lose a few real ones.

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We lost Sigismund and Dawn, if I remember correctly, or maybe Sigismund technically

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just before. So we lost quite a lot there. Losing a Primarch and only get his hand left

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after is pretty mid for Imperial victory there.

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Big win for the lads.

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Yeah. Sorry, Andy, this might not be your favorite episode here. How tragic is this

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though? Is it like, makes you deeply upset, like remember it forever or is this...

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I honestly never think about it.

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I'd say put it in B, just B for black crusade. Primarch loss, not great. Sigismund not great,

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but what was Rogan Dorn going to do? He was going to build forts. Well, we already had

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Kadia. Kadia was built without much stuff. I don't think Dorn was that involved in Kadia.

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Clearly you can build defensive structures without him being around.

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You can build a fence. He's not like planning permission. Do you guys call it planning permission

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in North America as well?

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I don't know what it is.

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Or it's like if you want to put an extension on your house, you need planning permission

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from your council.

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I don't know if we call it that. We just said like you need like city approval or from whatever.

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So you can build like a shed without Dorn knocking your door going, it's not fortified

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correctly.

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I don't know what this was from, but you've reminded me, I took a photo of a book I was

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reading. It was like, Dorn had apparently declared the fortress to be adequate. High

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praise indeed from the dispassionate Lord of the Imperium's greatest siege masters.

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Oh, it's from the Blood Angels omnibus. It's like the idea of Dorn going adequate. It's

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like, yeah, well done guys.

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Some guy just fainted immediately as soon as he said that. I do think that one, yeah,

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it's pretty, it doesn't get anyone upset. I mean, it is tragic for Sigismund mostly.

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I don't think I'm that upset about Dorn going, but poor Sigismund, he did get to spit on

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Abaddon's face and literally he did get cut in half.

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All right. Now I feel, now I feel, that was the way, all right, fuck Dorn I guess.

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A little bit harder because we should, yeah, Sigismund, he stabbed Abaddon right in the

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heart. But then Abaddon literally ripped him in two and then Sigismund with his legs missing

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went screw you, you suck. Oh, I think we have a, is that a donation here?

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Mm-hmm. Is it by Dorn?

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Yeah, join us Zoran.

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Get that one Eli.

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Sure, my god. Finish my, I'm just top of the line.

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Oh sorry, it's fine.

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This last stream where Chai was pretending to be Vulcan and Colin was doing the best

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Eldar child impression. That is a classic occurrence.

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Fucking lighting me up.

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Glad to catch this one on my B-date. Cheers. Happy birthday.

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Happy birthday, brother.

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Happy birthday.

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Remember fellas, there is a human behind that messy bed. It's clean today, it's clean today,

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it is made. It's very nice.

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He's literally, do you make the bed Colin now because people have been talking about

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it?

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Yes.

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Oh god.

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If I'm on camera I make the fucking bed now. I'm gonna get someone's shit.

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Wow.

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Happy birthday for the ten dollars and happy birthday.

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Thank you brother.

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Much love.

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I'm gonna put this one on our tier list though. I had to find creative images for this. This

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is I believe the Abyssal Crusade.

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And for people listening, the Abyssal Crusade was I think happened in the mid M36, M37.

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And essentially a corrupted member of the Ecclesiarchy, Sen, he declared that many chapters

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of the Adeptus Astartes they had erred and they were heretics. But funny enough they

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could earn their place back by going on a crusade into the Eye of Terror. Quite a few

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chapters like dozens and dozens of chapters went into the Eye of Terror on a crusade.

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And basically all of them got corrupted because this member of the Ecclesiarchy was essentially...

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He was a traitor.

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He was a traitor and only I think one or two, I think one chapter returned and basically

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hundreds of thousands of years later they exhumed his... I don't know what it's called

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in history but they put the Pope's body on trial essentially. Well they basically put

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the bones on trial.

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Oh yeah, they dug up the previous Pope because the current one didn't like him and then they

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had a bishop give his answers. Yeah I watched Salmonella.

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Art imitates life.

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So this was a big, this is a big L for the Imperium here and how does everyone feel about

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this?

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It's not really that tragic.

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Yeah and like the chapters are all like, they all have like a paragraph of war.

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I mean yeah it sucks for them but you know my thought process doesn't extend any farther

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than that but it sucks to be most of those chapters.

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It is a tragedy to be fair though. It was a big loss for the Imperium.

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It's like discounted bad-ad war though I feel like.

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It's not even bad.

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Bad-ad war at home.

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Oh I forgot to put bad-ad war in.

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Like this is just I think just Space Marines being fucking dumb and I'm being like no I'm

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not listening to you.

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This wasn't the bad-ad war, this was where it was you know they were containing it and

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then the chapter stopped like listening to the Imperium.

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This was some dude was like hey all of you go into the literal mouth of hell.

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And they were like yeah okay sounds good to me.

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And he died.

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I think it's not even that, I think it's more of a case of like are you a pussy?

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You're not gonna go into the Eye of Terror.

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He's like no I'm not a pussy.

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He's like sure, sure.

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You've got lots of muscles you should be a bit of a scaredy cat.

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I'm not afraid of the Eye of Terror dad.

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So this is like the equivalent of children going I bet you won't touch that rock over

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there and they're like yeah I will and then they actually run over and touch the rock

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and then they realise it's a stream.

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I bet you won't lick the icy pile.

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It's like yeah I will.

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Also like how many Space Marine chapters was it?

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I want to say it was like 20 something?

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Yeah I think we, well nearly 20,000 were lost.

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Yeah alright so it's like 20,000, that many guardsmen die in a day for this thing.

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Like I do not care.

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Even with the limited number of Space Marines there's a thousand chapter, 20 of them gone

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isn't gonna make a fucking difference.

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It's not that big of a deal.

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What I always lament is that they say that all the first company terminators have like

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a shard of the Emperor's armour in their ceramite.

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I'm like oh all those shards missing.

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You could have melted those down and made like a thimble.

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That's a bit of a shame.

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A bit of a shame is not a tragedy.

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The next one though, this one's a bit hard because we don't know all the details but

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this is the Age of Strife.

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Talk to the hand.

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This was the, for people listening, this was after the sort of AI revolt of humanity and

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essentially loads of cycles just started popping up everywhere across like the many worlds

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across the galaxy.

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There's no Imperium at this time but there's many stories of how during the Great Crusade

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like many Space Marine legions come across cultures where they basically, the ones that

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survived are the ones that sort of harassed and chained up their psychers during this

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time and then ones that didn't basically were overrun by rampant psychic power and then

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was a mass like loads and again we don't have like, we're only a few characters are probably

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around there like the Emperor and some Perpetuals.

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Eldar were just having, well this was still the, there weren't, there's no Slaanesh yet

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so this is Eldar having fun.

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They haven't been turning people into drugs yet.

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They were just like, oh we're getting a bit crazy but there's a pretty-

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They might have been doing it by that point.

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Yeah just not like the hard stuff yet.

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I would put this in seated just because there's no like proper first hand account despite

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how obviously tragic and horrible it must have been.

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I don't feel like that strongly about it though.

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I feel like it has to be above the fucking Abyssal Crusade.

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I have no emotions about it.

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Like the Age of Strife, Least Go Tam, yeah that really sucks even if obviously there's

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not much about it.

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The Abyssal Crusade is like, damn.

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Damn.

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It happened.

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It sure happened.

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It sure was.

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Oh well.

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It sure was.

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It sure was.

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It was the Crusade.

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It's that Top Gear meme.

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Oh no.

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Yeah and pretty much.

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Oh chat's saying S tier for Age of Strife but I don't know.

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We disagree with you chat there.

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DJ Beast says it was so bad that Biggie came out of his Discord mod cave.

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Well here's the trouble though.

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It's like yes it's supposedly quite bad but we don't really have any context.

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We just hear it's bad and so it's like I can't really empathise with the Age of Strife other

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than hearing it was really bad.

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Is there any stories?

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Weird plot point which is, do you remember Andy in the Magnus Primark book?

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So they land on that planet and there's like a proto ship from Terra and then essentially

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they turned it into like a prison for psychers during the Age of Strife and then Magnus comes

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into contact with this entity formed of all like the tortured...

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I think they ripped the souls out of people who were psychers and then all these psychers

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were like why did they do that to us?

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And then Magnus went but that's the reason the cultures have ironed.

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They're like that's awful.

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Yeah I know.

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Poor Magnus.

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He did get strapped down to a chair in that book which is quite funny.

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Yeah a real old chair.

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Do you know that literally because it's like as powerful as Magnus was this was like formed

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of thousands and thousands and thousands of psychers and they basically took him into

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this essentially what would be like a modern day prison hospital.

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It looked really like clean and weird and they basically strapped him down to a chair

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and went you know you suck.

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And he went possibly but you activated my trap card.

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I'm not even joking he activated a trap card and he's like sealed away.

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But yeah not as tragic as the next thing coming up here.

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I might have to ask Colin to do some heavy lifting on this one because this is the High

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Fleet Kraken or the devastation of Iandon.

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So Iandon was the most populous craft world by this point even after you know a couple

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of them got cyclone torpedoed.

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They were still the most populous craft world.

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Then the High Fleet showed up.

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They're like all right this is this is a problem but we can handle this.

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And then you know like the first wave of high ships you know were dealt with in space.

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And then the second wave showed up and the third wave and the fourth wave and then there

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was no more Navy and then the first ones to land on the craft world got obliterated.

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And then you know they're Tyranids so you know what that means.

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Then the second wave then the third and on and on and on.

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And it was despite pretty much every craft world sending forces to Iandon to hold back

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you know the Tyranid High Fleet did not go super well and it ended with 80 percent of

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every Eldar on Iandon getting devoured.

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I believe it states four fifths of the craft world was devastated.

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Yeah like either like both craft world itself and the people on it.

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Not great.

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Although I do like what Hebrick said.

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D for deserved.

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It wasn't a total loss there.

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They did put a W didn't they?

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They did ultimately win.

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And this was half of High Fleet Kraken while the other half was going to fight the Ultramarine.

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So it wasn't like you know this was one random High Fleet.

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This was the second of the three biggest major High Fleets.

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It wasn't like you know they did and they did win but it's like that's a lot of dead

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Eldar and the Eldar don't.

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They should have let Matt Ward write their codex.

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He's actually the one who wrote the Iandon supplement.

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He's the only he's the reason Iandon is the only craft world that's had their own like

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special book.

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Yeah I get it but this story was out before that though I assume.

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Yeah I think it was.

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The Ultramarines definitely did not have nearly as hard of a time as the Andand did.

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No no they didn't.

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But then again it was I've just done a video on Fadeus Hack who's an Inquisitor and he's

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like oh I found evidence that the Tyranids invaded millennia ago and he's like I want

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to go into the Black Library because the Eldar must have records on it.

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It's like guys you should have been ready for this if that's the case.

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You've already fought them before.

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Yeah well shot on ya.

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A joke in chat says S tier so tragic that 20 percent lived.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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If that's what it takes to get them into S tier then it is what it is.

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Neon LF Grazie but how tragic so many of my Tyranids died.

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Yeah yeah Tyranids died in Eldar.

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Wow.

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Didn't all perish.

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Pretty epic.

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Jake Thornton did say what Colin needs is a VTuber body pillow to put in his bed.

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I just thought I'd mention that.

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I saw that.

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We have a donation.

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From Eldridge.

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Thank you Eldridge.

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Thank you Eldridge.

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Five dollars.

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Welcome back friend.

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The Lamentors win easy.

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They are like the collection of Shakespeare's works all trashed.

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They always win though.

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Didn't have one event though for them unfortunately.

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They're not on this list.

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Their whole existence is just sad I guess.

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So where do you think Colin?

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Is this S tier for you?

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I would say S not even beyond my normal Eldar sipping.

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This is the specific craft world that I paint and everything.

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The Custard Boys.

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Yeah so alright let's not have this talk again.

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But I will accept A if no one is willing to give it the S tier.

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I'm two layers of bias deep on this one so I understand.

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A lot of Eldar died and that's pretty epic.

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I'm going to put in S tier.

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It could go to A simply because it wasn't Galaxy shaking consequences after it.

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But then as a terms of a tragedy it's horrific.

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So I'll put it I'll leave it in S for my friend's poor broken heart.

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I will say is one of the few events where the Eldar actually get some damn credit because

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they beat half of a high fleet.

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Nice.

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Although I like the idea that like Tegurias from the Ultramans is like I could do you

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one better.

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Just get you a star fell.

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A few years you'll hurt the hive mind.

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It's the same thing where that happened.

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I believe he also stabbed his boyfriend in a murderous rage and that.

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So there's another.

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That's a quote for Warhammer stuff.

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The next one Andy is that one Hydra Cortatus or is no this would be double check.

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Let me sort the list.

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This is Beta Garmin.

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Beta Garmin.

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Beta Garmin for people listening is essentially when well the funny enough there's actually

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two Beta Garmin's because there's one during the whole of the heresy and then there's one

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later I believe.

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I think essentially is both times the Imperial Fists essentially get completely shafted and

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I think the first time they are guarding gene seed reserves and this essentially they're

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in a huge number of Imperial Fists get wiped down to a complete man and they're all gone

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and the fact they lose these gene seed reserves means that it actually goes into forging new

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chaos and I do believe it's the gene seed that Honshu goes to make those Demonculaba

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with which again adds to the tragedy.

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I think there might have been another event where I think there was a second Beta Garmin

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where basically the same thing almost happened again essentially.

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The artwork for this on Lexicanum is the Titan Death.

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Yeah Beta Garmin is a Horus Heresy book as well.

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So this one was pretty this one wasn't the most tragic but its consequences were pretty

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horrific because it basically was hermonculaba.

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I would say I give it a B tier for birthing that abomination into the setting.

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So that one's pretty yuck.

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I say on a whole not super consequential.

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I mean obviously if you're an Imperial Fist sucks but like you know compared to some of

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the other events it's not as you know faction shaking.

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Yeah.

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They didn't fortify hard enough.

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As I'm looking at the two next events which are like you know some of the worst things

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in 40k it's like you know compared to those.

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This is pretty bad look at that.

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I'd even downgrade it.

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It can't be worse in the Age of Strife.

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It's like in reality.

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I'm sorry can we just.

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Abyssal Crusader into D.

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I was going to say can we just get that out of C.

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No Abyssal Crusader into D.

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That's the one.

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Oh we want the Abyssal Crusader into D.

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Yeah because it really is like compared to the rest of this list I'm just realising.

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Yeah I mean.

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20,000 space wings died that's not great but you know.

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Yeah it's a lot of lost cool toys.

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Probably that many died in this battle alone.

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I mean Horus like the first battle of Horus Heresy like Istvan like way more of Starty

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Scythe than 20,000 that was way worse.

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And these are successes so it doesn't count.

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I will say though the next one might have some mixed feelings by the panel here because

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this is the birth of Slanesh.

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The fall of the Eldar.

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The fall of the Eldar.

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The birth of Slanesh.

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Now I'm going to let Eli go first because I feel like Eli might want to talk it up a

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bit as a.

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It's a split decision.

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I'm a big Eldar fan but I mean they got what they deserved and now it's.

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I would like now that since we're officially recording and this is life I would like to

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you know state which I feel like I've said before just to say it again it's not it's

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not the craft world's Eldar fault for Slanesh.

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People always go it was all the other.

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The craft world Eldar are the ones who left they were like no this is too much.

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Yeah it's true.

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It's just as a brief description unless you want to talk about that Andy sorry.

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I was just saying like I mean but the thing is they left but like I'm sure they were doing

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some messed up stuff they were just like not quite as.

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I know they lived they were.

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They shot them.

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The ones who started it were the ones who just lived on the craft worlds which by the

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standards of the old Eldar Empire were just like cargo freighters.

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So that the boring Eldar like we're not doing anything we're not doing any crazy stuff.

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According to the you know the people who were snorting people drugs yes.

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Yeah.

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I can't have a setting with it if they were in charge.

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It inadvertently led to the fall of the Emperor's children and that's the most sad thing ever

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so put that in S tier.

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This was for people who are listening who are not as friendly with it when I think it's

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Lorgar Aurelian in his audio drama where he basically has his like his vision quest with

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chaos he gets to see like a representation of the fall of the Eldar and it describes

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it as essentially a way like a tidal wave of demon flesh flooding over all of the trillions

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at the prayer this time Eldar in essentially the blink of an eye and they essentially their

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souls are consumed in a wave and even when Lorgar I think sees this for the first time

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he goes that's horrific because you see he sees an entire civilization die almost in

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a sort of within minutes.

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Also yeah worth mentioning that Orican the you know the diviner felt it he has no soul

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and he felt it and was so horrified he'd like hit himself away for centuries.

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It's a pretty is definitely like it might contest for the number one spot I'm not gonna

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say Andy we should put it into the very top of I think it's worse than the Anden by far.

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Yeah pretty bad.

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Eye of terror pretty bad.

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On scale it is but it's another one of it's like the age of strife where it's like there's

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not too much detail.

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We have some sad man of terror into the chat with our bad mouthing of the Black Legion

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and Abaddon.

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Hi Ed!

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We didn't say anything it's fine.

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I'm a Black Legion supporter I'm with you bro.

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Oh Ed we need to get you on one of these.

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We need to have you we have got a lot of what they did.

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If you're interested Ed we've got one we're gonna do all of the horrors heresy books in

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one tier list so we'll have to if you fill up for it.

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But like it's it's not it's like definitely a little more detailed than the age of strife

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which is just kind of like the death of the gods really isn't it as well the Eldaric gods

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we should mention that.

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For the Eldar it's the most tragic thing to ever fucking happen.

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Too much gooning.

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The scale is pretty I mean to be fair like I think you agree with it we don't have first

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there's not many people who saw it probably first hand other than Eldrad or Vect or things

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like that.

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Yeah like a couple of Eldaric characters, Orican probably Tracen because he was probably

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just dicking around for fun why not.

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Tried to grab a quick demon before it.

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Probably tried to grab some ash.

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Oh this will make a good conversation piece.

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Now this one's pretty horrific but nothing quite hits to be fair having said that nothing

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quite hits as hard as the fall of Cadia.

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Even I have to admit big sad even if I find it you know a little goofy.

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Abaddon gooned.

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Does anyone want to explain the fall of Cadia for why they think it should be in that spot?

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Abaddon turned Cadia into a deviled egg look at that.

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Makes me sad.

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It's pretty I mean to be fair Cadia held for so long as the like bastion against the Ayoterra

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and then when Abaddon wasn't winning he threw a hissy fit and he threw an entire Blackstone

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fortress starship breaking the planet apart.

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Yeah everyone badmouths him for that but he still won.

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Yeah but that's like the football team that still won by essentially like tackling getting

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rid of their enemy's best player by tackling him illegally or something.

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He just had an oversized beyblade and he was like beyblade beyblade just chucked it.

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It's got a big pointy bit.

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And it did result in the great rift I think one Blackstone fortress for one great rift

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is a yeah I think that's a fair elixir trade.

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That's a good equation.

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It's also you know a little bit tragic too because in real life it like the you know

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the Warhammer plotline ended at 4999.

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Yeah like for like what is it like 20 years or something real world time it's like yep

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storyline no no going forward so you know for 20 real human being years it was like

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yeah that's uh Cadia it's still there it's holding out.

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Doesn't that line up with the historical inspiration for is it Candia?

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Was it Cabri or something?

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The city that the Ottomans siege for over 20 years which was inspired Cadia in Warhammer

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I think also was siege for over 20 years so that's pretty.

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The siege I feel like everyone knows about oh yeah it is Candia for 21 years the second

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longest legion history god damn.

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Wow yeah.

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You know I don't know about that I gotta be at every time I think of Ottoman sieging I

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just kind of go to Vienna and the winged Hussars they kind of.

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Oh the charge.

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The alliance.

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The winged Hussars are coming.

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Also a detail I like about it again the Cadian guard the famous the planet broke before the

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guard did and then there's like my favourite tidbit in the lore where as the planet is

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like their homeworld is breaking apart and they're all evacuating the survivors the last

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of them are basically opening up their like cantinas and stuff and they're like shoveling

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in dirt of Cadia just so they can still have a piece of Cadia as it's dying.

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But the thing is like again that like kind of hits you in the feels a little bit because

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it's like oh man I can imagine if earth basically got bay bladed as Andy said and then we would

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it's like people were scrapping together the last parts of it.

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Although the whole digging up it just reminds me of those guys who get like they dig a little

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chunk out of football fields and they go I've got a little bit of the football stadium where

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Manchester United plays like it's just soil calm down.

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Is that why they don't like you in like tourist areas they don't let like back in the day

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it must have been wild because they didn't have all these like fences and stuff so people

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yeah how many people do you reckon have a bit of Stonehenge?

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You know what I mean?

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How many people chip?

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Yeah like was it in the Coliseum as well there was there's a story about a guy last year

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who carved his name into the Roman Coliseum and he was arrested because people just go

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like I just want a piece of it I want to do something.

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To be fair that's very in touch with what the Romans probably were doing with the place

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they graffiti everywhere.

465
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,240
Is it Hagia Sophia has like the mark do you know the story about the markings?

466
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,720
Oh yeah with the Vikings where like they couldn't translate it and then they finally did and

467
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:57,720
it's just.

468
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:58,720
Halfdan was here wasn't it?

469
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,720
Yeah it's sort of just like yeah some like Hulff something was here.

470
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,360
They thought it was some religious significance that it was just I was here.

471
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,360
Bro building his mark.

472
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:11,080
Do you reckon like our generation will know like the S people should draw in school?

473
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,680
Yeah my gosh.

474
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,840
How is that universal in a way?

475
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,120
How is it I can say that and then people like thousands who went to school literally on

476
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,560
the other side of the world were like yeah this same thing.

477
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,880
Just like open the Necronomicon and there's like an occult reference oh no it's something's

478
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,240
a demon when carved into someone's skin oh no.

479
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,040
Halo the sacred icon.

480
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,040
Exactly.

481
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaking of the next tragedy this one is the cybernetic revolt.

482
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:41,280
See it best.

483
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Yeah.

484
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:47,040
Maybe sounds pretty crazy and like yes we had to work together to stop it right?

485
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,200
Yeah but it's it's the same thing as the age of strife I mean it's part of the age of strife.

486
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:57,360
It was before it technically so the age of strife happened I think a thousand two thousand

487
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,360
years after.

488
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,480
I think it's better than the age of strife because it just creates a little bit more

489
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,480
descriptor I feel like.

490
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,200
And we still have men of iron.

491
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,200
We have some men of iron.

492
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,760
It's just a shame that it's more memorable to me when I think about it.

493
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,080
It's like you could have the Terminator and iRobot and all sorts of stuff but the trouble

494
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,200
is it's again it's just that problem of oh the age of strife was bad and we had no technology

495
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,800
he's like oh yeah you got any stories about it?

496
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,800
No.

497
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,800
No.

498
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Stopped.

499
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:22,800
At least true.

500
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,520
The men of there's some men of iron kicking around still.

501
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,520
Supposedly.

502
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:34,080
And there was also the tragedy that it because of the cybernetic revolt it led to the creation

503
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,080
of servitors.

504
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Yeah.

505
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,800
And I don't really know if I've lit this up.

506
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Servitors have been made since like the mid 25th millennium.

507
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:46,520
So you think about how many people have been turned into a servitor since that time.

508
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:47,520
Yeah.

509
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,520
You must you guys go like oh.

510
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,520
Pop it up a bit then.

511
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Just because that particular Warhammer TV, Angels of Death Origins where it's the Mechanicus

512
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,840
episode is really harrowing when you just got this poor guardsman being turned into

513
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:03,840
a servitor.

514
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,720
Oh my god you gave me hope he was going to escape but no dear he's got no eyelids.

515
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,560
Why has he got no eyelids?

516
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:17,160
Now to that again there's unfortunately the cybernetic revolt as it gets so far in the

517
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,160
past it's kind of hard to really have any great ties to it but this one I think Eli

518
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:23,680
might feel sympathetic to.

519
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Yeah I'm a bit what is this is the this is the Damocles Gulf Crusade in which the Imperium

520
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,280
lost.

521
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,280
Was that a tribute?

522
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,280
That's not a tribute.

523
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:34,280
No they need to sell back for a minute.

524
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:39,360
If we're going through Damocles and going to bad math mites guys I'm gonna go for a

525
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,360
wee.

526
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:45,400
That's absolutely just called a tragedy because it's the Imperium coping over the fact it

527
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,400
didn't win.

528
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:47,400
Yeah that's not.

529
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:52,680
It's one of the few times the Imperium actually kind of does give up though in a way.

530
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,560
But that's not a tragedy that's just taking it out.

531
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,840
Yeah that was when High Fleet Bayomoth showed up.

532
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,640
Otherwise this tower would be extinct right now.

533
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,600
As for I think what Eli might be able to describe better but there's there are a few versions

534
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:08,600
of the Damocles.

535
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,920
There's more than one Damocles Gulf Crusade as well I will mention.

536
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:17,080
So the first one though quite a few space marine chapters turned up and they were all

537
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,600
like high and mighty being like we're just about to wipe these aliens.

538
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:26,760
And they like so many chapters took heavy losses during even like the ultramarines they

539
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:33,680
basically weren't they were getting counterattacked so hard that they actually pretty much were

540
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,240
that they couldn't sustain the war even if they kept going.

541
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,640
That's not really a tragedy though that's you bit off more than you can chew because

542
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
you are so full of your own height.

543
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,560
But even then the tower were like on their last legs of reinforcements and.

544
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Oh yeah.

545
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,560
The Imperium didn't know that.

546
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,240
And then the Cato Sicarius and the guys were literally about to win the whole war and then

547
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,040
got called back.

548
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,400
You have a slight problem with Tiranid.

549
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,280
Wasn't that wasn't Cato Sicarius.

550
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,240
The Farcite triggered an EMP which basically froze their machine spirits.

551
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,760
They were stuck in their armor and they basically had like crew holding knives to like Cato

552
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:13,760
Sicarius.

553
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600
There was like there was a moment when that happened but I don't think that was at the

554
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,600
end.

555
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,600
I think that was.

556
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,400
It was at the end of the first one because at the end of it they're basically the reason

557
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,400
reason Farcite doesn't kill him is basically because the negotiators behind the scenes

558
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,720
when well the Imperials that was literally when the Imperials found out about the Tiranids.

559
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,960
I'm just saying like it's not a great tragedy.

560
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,720
Losing a war is not a tragedy especially if it's a war like you start.

561
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,840
Yeah unless this might also mean the Damocles crusade where Farcite goes by himself and

562
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,440
they become the Farcite enclave.

563
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Yeah because it's a picture of red Farcite with the sword and stuff.

564
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,640
Yeah.

565
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Ours is the best picture I could find.

566
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,640
Fair enough.

567
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,280
It's like that's that like losing a war whose only purpose is to kill more aliens.

568
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,880
It's not like it's not even it's barely a defensive conflict.

569
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,160
It's barely even lost at that point.

570
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,200
Saval Medeat here is fine then.

571
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,200
Aliens bad.

572
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,960
I, Cato Sicarius, did get owned though.

573
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,360
I, Cato Sicarius, did put my foot through a diplomat though.

574
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,480
I, Cato Sicarius, holy shit.

575
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:20,480
All Tao history.

576
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,480
What did he say?

577
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,520
What was his quote as well?

578
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,880
Would you hurt, was it you hurt an innocent civilian?

579
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,120
He went yes.

580
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Would your forefathers be like proud of you doing this?

581
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:35,640
Yeah it's like would your forefathers be, she wasn't even talking to Cato Sicarius.

582
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,680
She got like this other guy listening to her and then he was about to like surrender to

583
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,640
the watercast and then Cato Sicarius comes bursting through the door and stomps her head

584
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,640
in and freaking flans her.

585
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,640
Cato Sicarius like I love that guy.

586
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,640
He doesn't give a fuck.

587
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,640
His boot was sticky after that.

588
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:55,640
Poor guy.

589
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,880
You know when you go into a nightclub and the floor is sticky it's like oh what's that?

590
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,000
It's like oh it's just brain matter.

591
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Anyway, real shit.

592
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,740
This is a bit bigger this one.

593
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:09,320
This one is like I didn't want to put the Horus Heresy because that's just too big.

594
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,560
So this is the wounding of the emperor of mankind.

595
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:21,200
This is the crux in which basically the 41st millennium is, the grimdart future is responsible.

596
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,040
Let him achieve godhood.

597
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,240
So I mean like kind of cool.

598
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:32,880
Again it's technically it's also the death of Horus, it's the death of Sanguinus in a

599
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:39,720
way it's the ventral spirit's sort of conclusion and it's pretty much the interment of you

600
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:45,720
know also should mention it's the death of Malkador the hero on the throne and it's the

601
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:50,680
imprisonment of the emperor who we found out in recent lore basically was screaming to

602
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,640
not put him on the throne but no one could hear him but Malkador and the emperor's like

603
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
I don't have to be on the throne, I don't have to be on the throne but no one can hear

604
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,800
him so they put him on the throne.

605
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:08,080
And yeah that's like a recent thing in lore where he actually is basically saying he could

606
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,040
survive without being on the throne but they do it anyway just because of the power.

607
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,880
It's just you know I imagine being...

608
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,800
Not quite I think it was more to hold back the like it was implied that the emperor could

609
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,720
have healed if he stayed off the throne but because he was so wounded there was no, no

610
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:27,720
one could hear him.

611
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:28,720
Oh that sucks.

612
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:32,920
I just let's just like imagine the most uncomfortable chair you've ever sat in in your life and

613
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,440
you have to sit on it forever that's all it was.

614
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,720
It wasn't any healing society, it's so uncomfortable please don't.

615
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:43,000
It's not quite the iron throne.

616
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,440
But this one is pretty...

617
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,440
I would put it...

618
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,440
What do you guys think actually?

619
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,440
What do you think?

620
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,840
I think it's more important than Kaedea blowing up, not gonna lie.

621
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,000
But is it more tragic though?

622
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,920
I feel worse for those guardsmen than the god emperor.

623
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,920
Yeah.

624
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:04,040
I think Kaedea just hits like too strong because it's like mortal men isn't it?

625
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Yeah.

626
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,000
And average blokes and women.

627
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,040
Also treason just dumping pokeballs worth of shit on top of me.

628
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,600
Custodian, I choose you.

629
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,600
That guy's been like...

630
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,440
The company of Horace Heresy ultramarines on the battlefield he just threw them out there

631
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,440
was like have fun guys.

632
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,360
And they're just like where are we?

633
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:23,360
I don't know.

634
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,840
Courage and honor, courage and honor, off we go.

635
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:30,240
Are those chaos space marines?

636
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,240
They're still around?

637
00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:35,800
Edmund the Spiffing asks, so what's the point of the throne of terror books?

638
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,800
That's because the Golden Throne is basically old as hell.

639
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,080
And they have to keep the mechanic...

640
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,040
The mechanic has kept repairing it for 10,000 years, but essentially it's been breaking

641
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,040
down.

642
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,920
And I think they have to go talk to the Drukhari to make a deal because they can understand

643
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:53,920
the technology.

644
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,280
Except the homunculus that showed up didn't do anything.

645
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,040
You just basted the pain of the emperor.

646
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,040
They basically...

647
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,560
The Drukhari agree to help repair the throne for a fee.

648
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,000
And essentially the Drukhari's current plot line is essentially they're making a dark

649
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,080
golden throne to essentially close off all the...

650
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,840
I think all the wounds that Yunari made in Komarov.

651
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,720
And they're trying to clone the emperor as well to make a puppet.

652
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:22,200
Why would you ask the...

653
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,200
Freak out.

654
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,200
That's a guess for time.

655
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:29,600
Because the throne of terror, the Golden Throne, is made of technology that is a mixed match

656
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,000
of human and Xenos technology.

657
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,240
I think the Drukhari are the only ones who have some people who are old enough to understand

658
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,240
the Xenos tech.

659
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,240
Not the regular Eldar?

660
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,240
Like the good guys?

661
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,960
Well, the Drukhari are the only ones who keep certain people alive.

662
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,840
Whereas the Krawford, if I'm right, Colin, they let most of them only live to like a

663
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,000
thousand years, is it?

664
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,000
It's the...

665
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Yeah, the craft world Eldar do technically have a bit of a shorter lifespan, although

666
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,080
it's also because the dark Eldar are vampires.

667
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,960
As long as they get their soul juice, they age.

668
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,200
As long as they see someone get kicked in the balls from it.

669
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,960
Yeah, as long as they watch enough ball kicking compilations on dark Eldar YouTube, they can

670
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:11,960
go back at it.

671
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,960
Was it C, was it cock and ball torture?

672
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Yeah, CBT.

673
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:16,960
CBT.

674
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Cock and ball torture.

675
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:18,960
I don't know.

676
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,640
It's like, just the golden throne is just like, imagine if you had a Nokia 3310, but you

677
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,920
needed to still call your mum occasionally.

678
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,560
And it's like, I need to keep the connection going.

679
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,600
I need to go to the old law, the old tech to keep it going and updated with new software,

680
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,080
even though they don't make it anymore.

681
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,560
My dad's Nokia still works.

682
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,960
In this case, if you don't call your mum, the phone explodes.

683
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Exactly.

684
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,040
Yeah, everyone after this, go call their mum and tell them you need to, right?

685
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,040
Yeah.

686
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,440
What is the next one, by the way?

687
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,440
This one is...

688
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,960
If that's just the death of Senguidis, I'm gonna...

689
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,080
This is the whole event surrounding Goj Van Dyar.

690
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,080
Oh.

691
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,560
You don't want to explain for the good people.

692
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,960
Got the Sisters of Battle out of it, which is pretty awesome.

693
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:01,960
Yeah.

694
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,120
Do you want to explain what basically the rundown of that event for the people?

695
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:15,280
Imagine if the Pope tried to usurp Jesus Christ himself, that's Goj Van Dyar and the Emperor.

696
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,880
And Goj was like, I'm in charge now.

697
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,120
I'm gonna rule the Imperium myself.

698
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,920
Because he was in charge of the...

699
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,400
Was it the Ecclesiarchy and the Minister?

700
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,840
Yeah, I think it was the Administrato, man.

701
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:26,840
Yeah, the Administrato.

702
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:31,520
He was like the first High Lord of Terra to have like two leading positions.

703
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,240
And then he was just like, I don't need the rest of you.

704
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:38,080
And everyone's like, I don't know about that.

705
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:42,800
They were also like the two most important positions, you know, the Imperial faith and

706
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,160
the bureaucrats who are in charge of sending everything everywhere.

707
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,560
So yeah, he kind of won the game of politics.

708
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,920
He almost ripped the Imperium in two though, as I think even the Astartes were preparing

709
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,600
to like, basically go civil war.

710
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,920
Because the thing is, well, before this concluded, the Ecclesiarchy had a standing army.

711
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,800
I think it was called the Fraternist Militia.

712
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,280
And it was just like a bunch of blokes who were like, I'll flagellate myself and then

713
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,280
I'll whip you.

714
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,280
Like, oh no.

715
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,560
And at the end of the war, they were like, no, you can't have...

716
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,480
The rules were something like you cannot now...

717
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:16,480
No, men cannot now.

718
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,440
You cannot avoid men at arms or something like that.

719
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:23,440
And then they were like, well, that's fine.

720
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,360
We got some ladies who we can ask for some help.

721
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:35,240
But to be fair, as some context, many people, essentially anyone he didn't like, even entire

722
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,960
like systems and planets would just declared heretics.

723
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,800
So a lot of people did die during his reign because essentially he was like, oh, that

724
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,400
one administrator who I don't like, or, you know, other high lord, he's kind of from that

725
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,400
planet.

726
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:52,400
He's got a power base there.

727
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,360
You know, I'll call him some favors, you know, a few exterminators here and there and things

728
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:57,360
like that.

729
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,080
So it got pretty dicey.

730
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:04,680
Does anyone want to explain though, how we did get his teeth kicked in the end?

731
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:05,680
So basically...

732
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,680
Oh, sorry.

733
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,680
Do you want to go?

734
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:11,680
Oh, if you want, Kate, you want to go, you can do.

735
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,360
Well, basically, there was a faction called the Daughters of the Emperor who were on this

736
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,000
kind of strange world.

737
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,000
They were like, oh, we're warriors.

738
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Daughters of the Emperor.

739
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Oh, brides are later.

740
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,000
Brides are later.

741
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Yeah, because I think it's Daughters of the Emperor.

742
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,200
And they're like warrior women and go just like, hmm, this is a good idea.

743
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,400
So he uses his Rosarius to be like, shoot me and I will not be harmed because I'm protected

744
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:32,400
by the emperor.

745
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,880
They didn't know he had like a refraction field in his Rosarius.

746
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,680
It was just like an energy shield.

747
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,160
So he's divinely protected by the emperor.

748
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,160
And he's like, cool.

749
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,800
I'm going to do all this weird shit.

750
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,120
And so when he was in the Imperial Palace, the I think it's the Imperial Fist and some

751
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,440
other Asati's chapter is like, right, we're going to stop.

752
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,440
We're going to stop him.

753
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,780
And they go into the palace and all of a sudden they start getting gunned down by the now

754
00:41:52,780 --> 00:41:53,780
brides of the emperor.

755
00:41:53,780 --> 00:41:55,640
And they're like, what is this?

756
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,360
Who is this lady with the armor?

757
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,000
And then eventually Amon Toramachy and who's a custodian is like, oh, this isn't very good.

758
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:08,280
I better tell them like, oh, by the way, what's her name in charge of the Daughters?

759
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,280
St. Catherine?

760
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,560
No, it was the head sister of battle by that.

761
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:15,560
Whatever she was.

762
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,560
Dominica.

763
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,560
Amelia Dominica.

764
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:18,560
Something Dominica.

765
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,560
It might be Dominica, I think.

766
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,560
I think it's definitely Dominica.

767
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:28,360
And then Amon's like, by the way, yeah, you've been tricked.

768
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,640
And so she goes and cuts his head off.

769
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:36,520
And then afterwards they're like, oh, can't have a standing military that made a man for

770
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:37,520
the Ecclesiarchy.

771
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,280
But these ladies, they're quite pious and pure.

772
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,840
And they're very good at praising the emperor.

773
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:48,560
I guess we'll let Dominica be in charge because she's kind of sorted things out pretty neatly

774
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:49,560
and tidily.

775
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,840
And yeah, that's not.

776
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,680
And then Amon, I guess, goes back to bed because he's a sleeper.

777
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,200
He also forgot the ring of Sebastian Thor.

778
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,200
Oh, yes.

779
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200
And Sebastian Thor's there as well.

780
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:09,280
He was the reason they turned against Van Dyar in the first place.

781
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,240
People think he's a reincarnation of the emperor.

782
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,520
It's like a major point.

783
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,520
He's dead now.

784
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,640
Oh, but his head is somewhere, isn't it?

785
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:18,960
Dude, he's got like, I think it's.

786
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,440
Trazan has his head.

787
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,120
It's an in-universe joke, I'm pretty sure, that like among Inquisitors, that if you got

788
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:31,560
every like supposed body part of Sebastian Thor, he'd have like five heads, 50 arms.

789
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,440
Because like so many people have claimed to have his body parts.

790
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,640
Trazan's like just has a slightly more valid claim because his head is preserved and not

791
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:39,640
just a skull.

792
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,960
Where would you guys put it on the list, though?

793
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,560
I don't think it's super.

794
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,160
It's not the most tragic.

795
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Yeah, it's more of a good thing.

796
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,640
It's not the epilogue.

797
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,640
Yeah, it's a net good.

798
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,840
Yeah, less men with, you know.

799
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,840
Net good epilogue.

800
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,560
His whole existence, though.

801
00:43:55,560 --> 00:44:03,000
His whole existence was a pretty, you know, negative overall experience for everyone.

802
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,440
I think maybe it's below the age of strife, surely.

803
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:11,440
I'd give it like middle of C tier because it's like, yeah, that sucks, but you know.

804
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,800
But now we have the Sororitas and they're awesome.

805
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,800
Cool.

806
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,800
Let me check my next one here.

807
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,600
I believe this one is.

808
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,320
The next one is the Hydra Chordatus.

809
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,600
I think I believe it's called that.

810
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:25,600
That's something.

811
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,600
Those are words.

812
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,480
I believe this might be.

813
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,000
Hydra Chordatus is the largest.

814
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,160
It might be called the largest battle in the Heresies.

815
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,640
It's the largest Titan battle, at least.

816
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,720
I think in the entire Heresy.

817
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,720
I'm not thinking.

818
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:42,720
Or is that Beta Garmin?

819
00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:43,720
I might.

820
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:44,720
No, we did Beta Garmin.

821
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:52,600
But Hydra Chordatus is, if I remember, I think off the top of my head, is possibly like

822
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,520
one of the most apocalyptic battles that ever happened.

823
00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,360
And it was, I think it, if anyone here remember correctly, was it the final stop before the

824
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,760
Horus like pushed on to.

825
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,440
I believe it's where things like Titan Death and stuff like that happen, isn't it?

826
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:11,640
Where it's like the last push before they rally at Ulanor to go for the Throne world.

827
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,640
Yeah.

828
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,080
This one was, I mean, a lot of the other, I don't think any other battle we probably

829
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,800
have on here quite compares.

830
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,520
In terms of like humans fighting each other, it was ridiculous the amount of like Titans

831
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,320
and Imperial Guard and Legionaries were fighting on the field.

832
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:34,360
And essentially it was just a ridiculously large bloodbath.

833
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,320
I mean, I wish I had like more lore to kind of go off from the top of my head because

834
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,600
it is pretty, pretty cool battle.

835
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,920
But unfortunately it is only one battle.

836
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:50,080
It is considered a tragedy because the Imperium, it was kind of on their last ditch efforts

837
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:56,160
to really hold Horus in place and the traitors managed to pull out a victory on here.

838
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,480
It was close though, to be fair.

839
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,760
And again, it led to sort of the push towards terror.

840
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,440
But again, it's only one battle though, unfortunately.

841
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,040
Yeah, that is like overall, like that's like the feeling I get towards that isn't tragedy.

842
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,320
It's oh my God, all these Titans are going at it.

843
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,320
That's awesome.

844
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,320
It's nuts.

845
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,120
Where do you guys think that should go in the list then?

846
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,520
Bottom of C tier at most honestly.

847
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,480
Because this is where Per Dorabo is doing a lot of trouble.

848
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,880
I was watching, so I switched up.

849
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:32,920
Oh, Beta Garmin is the one I meant and Hydrocortartus is the, or they're in the right, but we're

850
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,920
going to the next one anyway.

851
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,920
So it's fine I think.

852
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:35,920
Yeah.

853
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:41,000
In my brain, they're basically quite, no, I'm thinking of a different one.

854
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,680
Big robots were fighting.

855
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:47,680
The big robots were, mom, dad, the robots are fighting again.

856
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,520
It was battle tech for people with way too much disposable income.

857
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,960
And the next one though, I mean, we all know this one, this is Isvon 3.

858
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:58,960
Oh, sorry.

859
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,960
We've put him in C tier?

860
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,680
I think it's so forgettable.

861
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,120
We were switching it up with the other ones.

862
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:05,120
That's the trouble.

863
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,880
This is for the assist their brothers though in the chats.

864
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:09,880
Thank you.

865
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:10,880
Yeah.

866
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,880
Isvon 3 though, this is.

867
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,080
Yeah, it's doubted to be S tier.

868
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,680
That's the only Horus Heresy event that gets any fucking emotion out of me.

869
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:18,680
Yeah.

870
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:23,720
Does anyone want to go through the detail of that just for the listeners?

871
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,880
Can I take this one since it's the only Horus Heresy?

872
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,880
Yeah, you do it.

873
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:27,880
I'll cry if I talk about it.

874
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,680
So this was after the, you know, the Traitor Legions became, you know, the Traitor Legions,

875
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,480
at least, you know, I believe five of them.

876
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Leaders, Emperor's Children.

877
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,640
I feel like I'm missing one that was at Isvon.

878
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,720
No, Isvon 3, yeah, you're correct.

879
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:47,720
Yeah.

880
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:48,720
Oh, I don't know.

881
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:49,720
I always throw in the word bearers for some reason.

882
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:53,280
Yeah, it's like Sons of Horus, Emperor's Children, Death Guard and World Leaders.

883
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,640
So it's like three of the four, like champions of the four, and then Thousand Sons just aren't

884
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,080
there and then instead you've got Chaos and Divided Champions, which are Sons of Horus.

885
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:05,080
Yeah.

886
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,320
And so that was, they decided they're going to betray the Emperor, but they needed to

887
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:14,360
make sure that everyone in their number was actually, you know, really down for it, wouldn't

888
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,320
ultimately defect because the news hadn't-

889
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,320
Down to clown boys.

890
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,880
Yeah, because the news hadn't fully filtered down throughout the legions.

891
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,040
So the Primarchs and those who they knew were loyal to them and were down with the whole,

892
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:33,300
you know, joining hell thing got together and went through their forces and selected

893
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:38,080
troops that they did not feel, you know, like said would follow them into hell.

894
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,280
They feared they would either, you know, stay low to the Imperium or they just weren't motivated

895
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:43,680
enough.

896
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,600
And on the planet of Isfond III, which was scheduled for a compliance anyway, it was

897
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:51,080
a, you know, doing a little bit of rebellion, I believe.

898
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:58,280
They sent those forces down and it was a couple of them thought it was a bit weird, especially

899
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,280
Eidolon, right?

900
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,280
He was the one who-

901
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:06,240
Yeah, Fulgrim wasn't at the Battle of Isfond III, so Eidolon was in charge instead.

902
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,240
Yeah.

903
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:09,240
A couple of them on the surface.

904
00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:10,240
No, Salt Harvests.

905
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:15,000
Oh, so Salt Harvests is in charge of the loyalist forces and Eidolon is in charge of the traitors.

906
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,440
Yeah, he did stay behind Salt Harvests, but he was like, Eidolon's a glory hog.

907
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,040
Why isn't he down there?

908
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,880
Why did so many squads get shifted around from their normal compositions?

909
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,480
And then he was looking through like, why are our fleets going into planetary bombardment

910
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:31,480
stance?

911
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,160
What's going on here?

912
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,400
So then he jumped on a ship, war-knothed, like basically screaming, you know, the 31st

913
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,160
millennium version of the British are coming.

914
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,640
And it was like, get in the fucking cover now.

915
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,200
Are you replacing the British, like with virus bombing a planet?

916
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,560
What's going on here?

917
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,480
I was just thinking, I don't know why I had that image.

918
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:57,680
I'm just associating Salt Harvests with Paul Revere with the, you're just like, British

919
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:58,680
war crimes.

920
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:59,680
It makes sense.

921
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:00,680
Yeah.

922
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:04,360
The equivalent of the tea in the Boston Harbor.

923
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,280
Growing tea into the Boston Harbor is the equivalent of burning people.

924
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,280
And was that not the greatest tragedy?

925
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,280
Exactly.

926
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,440
It was grown and shipped halfway across the world and to be shoved into the water to make

927
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,760
a discount ocean tea.

928
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,040
Get clowned on Bozo's 13 colony lead and dropped it.

929
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,720
By the way, we did get a $2 donation from Neon LF Graves saying, I really hope that

930
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:25,560
Squad Broken is on the list.

931
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,560
Thank you, brother.

932
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:27,560
Squad Broken.

933
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:34,560
Don't bring that up, you fucking monster.

934
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,600
And then, yeah, the rest of it was, you know, they virus bombed a lot of the loyalists died,

935
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:44,960
but several, like a lot, like a whole ton of them still live because they got undercover.

936
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,600
And then instead of just bombing them again, Angron got a bit ahead of himself and went

937
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,360
down to kill them all himself.

938
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,280
And it was just the first battle of the Horus heresy.

939
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,440
And it was between, not even like really between, I mean, obviously it was traitor and loyalist,

940
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,600
but it was between like members of their own legions.

941
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,440
It wasn't, you know, you got the nice clean, you're an ultramarine, you're a loyalist versus

942
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,120
you're a son of Horus.

943
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,120
You're a traitor.

944
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,440
It was like same legion, brother fighting brother.

945
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,640
And they, it just sad, especially because it's like on his phone, they're like, we know

946
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,120
we're not making out of this alive one way or another.

947
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,960
The best we can do is bring down as many as them with us as we can.

948
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,160
And they give it a bloody good effort as well.

949
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,280
They did to the point like that the final, they did eventually just virus bomb the last

950
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,000
stand of them because like we have been here for three months.

951
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,800
We have lost tens of thousands of troops beyond what we already planned to lose.

952
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:43,240
If we invade that final fortress, it's just going to result in another month of a shitfest.

953
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,920
A lot of big characters also bite the dust.

954
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,280
If you've read, if anyone's read the first few horrors, heresy books, which I think if

955
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,560
you're a few people have, if they just, they read the law and Tarek to Gadan.

956
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:05,320
So one of the more noble and friend of Logan just gets killed by the one about the bear,

957
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:11,880
the dancing bear and again, sort of it's, I do think he did die in that.

958
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Some people like, oh, you know, yeah, I think it's good.

959
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,120
You didn't see a body.

960
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,120
It's not like Marvel guys.

961
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:17,120
Okay.

962
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,120
Like it did go.

963
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:26,400
Small one is a Vipers near the guy who is Loken's like friend and sort of second command.

964
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:33,960
He goes, Loken technically bites and will supposedly gets defeated in there though.

965
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,160
And you get Solomon Demeter who's a Empress children's second company captain.

966
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,160
He gets the best Empress children.

967
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,760
You like, I can confirm that he was a, he was in the Fulgryn book, wasn't he?

968
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:50,040
You got Captain Erlen and Shabran Darv the world eaters get messed up as well.

969
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:54,880
Uh, if you're on foul, not mentioned here on foul.

970
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,400
I'm sorry for laughing.

971
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,400
I was looking ahead.

972
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:58,400
Is that just Erebus?

973
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,720
Is the tragedy for that one just Erebus?

974
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,720
No, I don't.

975
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:03,720
That's not Erebus.

976
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:04,720
That's Horus.

977
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:05,720
That's Horus.

978
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:06,720
I couldn't put Erebus.

979
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:07,720
Erebus is not a tragedy.

980
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:11,960
I thought it was Horus, but it also like, I've never seen that art of him before.

981
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,680
I was always wondering, is that just Erebus as a concept?

982
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,280
Oh no, that's, we'll get, we're almost on that one.

983
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,280
I'll explain that one.

984
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:23,320
Um, but yeah, that one's, I agree with S.T. though, cause that one is pretty, imagine

985
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,800
people who were like, were listening to it when it came out, cause no one knew like,

986
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,240
Loken would survive a little bit longer and to like later.

987
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:34,840
So they must've thought like, wow, like half of the main cast have just died.

988
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,880
In all the books.

989
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:38,880
Yeah.

990
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,440
If nothing else, you all know very well.

991
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,000
I do not care much for the heresy and space brains in general.

992
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,760
And I think that's fucking sad.

993
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaking of building upon that though, the next Istvan, which is Istvan V, the actual

994
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,560
drops like massacre.

995
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:59,560
This one makes me more sad than Istvan III.

996
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:00,560
Really?

997
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:01,560
Yeah.

998
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,640
Cause it's Fulgur Minferis bro, it's so sad.

999
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:04,960
I don't even think about that.

1000
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:05,960
I just think about that.

1001
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,160
Salamanders waving card in the iron hands getting bodied.

1002
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,600
I mean, the thing is as well, it's also like the Istvan one, even though they get like

1003
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,720
virus bombed and then they get coated with fire and then they have, they're like slowly

1004
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:20,840
routed in siege for like months.

1005
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,720
This was just like an afternoon where it's like, ah, it's free.

1006
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:26,000
It's four V three, but we've, they're wounded.

1007
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,720
So free legions against four is fine.

1008
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:28,880
Oh, is that the iron warriors?

1009
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:29,880
Brilliant.

1010
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:31,160
This will take, Oh wait, hold on.

1011
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,160
No, stop please.

1012
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,360
And then it's just all of them being surrounded by seven legions.

1013
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,360
It's pretty sad.

1014
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:41,320
That's Primarch fighting Primarchs though, which is like, like real, for real brothers,

1015
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,320
fighting brothers.

1016
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:43,320
Yeah.

1017
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:48,160
Lord Narn Corvus, they go at it and then Comrade shows up.

1018
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,080
There's like that weird, it describes it in quite a few of the books, where it's that

1019
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:55,640
moment of like silence where they're all going, Hey, brother, like they're hating like their

1020
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,600
allies, like you coming or what?

1021
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:02,040
And they're basically answered by silent and they're like, you guys coming?

1022
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,040
Yeah.

1023
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,040
Guys, guys.

1024
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,400
Is it that Hatme and Anakin one was just like, we're going to go fight the traders,

1025
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,400
right?

1026
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,400
Silence.

1027
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,880
You brought him here to kill me.

1028
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,520
It is just Order 66 pretty much.

1029
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:18,520
Yeah.

1030
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,440
But like even Lorgar has a moment where he freaks out, right?

1031
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,520
And he thinks that he made the wrong decision.

1032
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,240
That happens, doesn't it?

1033
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:27,240
Yeah.

1034
00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:28,920
Especially when he's like, Fulgrim's being possessed.

1035
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:29,920
Oh, come on.

1036
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,400
What's going on here?

1037
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:32,400
I don't like this.

1038
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,400
Banish thee.

1039
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,400
I like that.

1040
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:35,400
I do even-

1041
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,600
Fulgrim just gives up at the end and oh man.

1042
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,600
I do like that moment with Lorgar though, because he definitely just has like a panic

1043
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,520
attack and he goes like, oh crap, I'm literally annihilating like my friends and brothers.

1044
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,520
Like, oh my God.

1045
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:48,520
Oh my God.

1046
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,080
And then Cor Farron's like, pull it together, boy.

1047
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,360
I just don't think it's S tier because I don't know.

1048
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:55,360
I feel-

1049
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:03,480
Have you, we'll say from the book perspective, particularly not them, a lot of like even

1050
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,120
the poor people who read Iron Hand books.

1051
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:10,520
The Iron Hand, like basically the entire Iron Hands like cast, even their first captain

1052
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,240
just basically gets gutted.

1053
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:13,720
Like you lose so many-

1054
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:18,320
And not only that, they also get like, you have, is it Gareth Orendi, who's one of the

1055
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,120
Raven Guard, he actually like makes them, so that he can escape with his Raven Guard

1056
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,120
men.

1057
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:27,520
He like sets them up for traps where they get sacrificed so his men can survive.

1058
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,600
You're like, oh, you naughty boy.

1059
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:30,600
Eww.

1060
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:36,040
There's a really sad one in, there's a Salamander short story where Cor Farron is like, oh,

1061
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,640
because they don't, they don't all die immediately.

1062
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,280
Some of them like just survive and get hunted down.

1063
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,760
And then there's a bit where like some of the Salamanders, they have like one of them

1064
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:47,900
like there's a squad and they have like a scout with them.

1065
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:51,000
And he's like one of the younger members, but he's like being, he's trying to be brave

1066
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,520
and he jumps a chasm and he gets shot.

1067
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,800
And then they're like, no way.

1068
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:00,200
And then they basically realized is they actually, he got shot by other Salamander survivors

1069
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,520
and they basically like one guy runs like rips off his helmet.

1070
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,160
Like, oh my God, what have I done?

1071
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,160
Yeah.

1072
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,720
So like, again, a lot of them hid under their bodies or basically gutted, some of them got

1073
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:11,840
friendly fired and things like that.

1074
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,240
So yeah, it is stinks.

1075
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:19,000
I think it, it makes me more sad than his fan three personally, but that's cause I like

1076
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,320
the Fulgrim book a lot.

1077
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,320
Yeah.

1078
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,320
Ferris does get his head cut off.

1079
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:26,320
That does hurt.

1080
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,880
And then Fulgrim basically, you know, has a mental breakdown.

1081
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,880
I don't think it's like Shadrach raise the storm lad, raise the storm.

1082
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,720
Oh, how many casualties were in, were there more or less casualties?

1083
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:40,720
Oh, loads.

1084
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Cause I think it's like hundreds of thousands.

1085
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,080
This was three entire legions that got hit.

1086
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Cause the four traitor legions have like, have their numbers more or less half, not

1087
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:55,040
just because of the purge of the loyalists, but also they didn't have a good time fighting

1088
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,040
the loyalists.

1089
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:57,520
It took them longer than they expected.

1090
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,600
Menhans alone have like over a hundred thousands space Marines.

1091
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,520
Salamanders and Raven guard are a bit smaller, but then you consider like, I think it's something

1092
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:09,120
like the Raven guard lose 90% of their men or 80%.

1093
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Oh, that's a lot of numbers.

1094
00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:13,560
I think this is a worse tragedy than his fan three.

1095
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:14,560
In terms of numbers, it is.

1096
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,720
It's just there's less character driven stories than his fan three.

1097
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,720
There's less main character deaths.

1098
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:22,920
And it's a slaughter, not a siege.

1099
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,160
And like, it's like having, like you said, like with the book perspective, I haven't

1100
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:31,960
read it's probably a lot worse, but like from an out, like just a wider as an event, it's

1101
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,960
like, this isn't like Istvan three where it's, you know, the same Legion brother fighting

1102
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:36,960
brother.

1103
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,960
It's the first action of a war.

1104
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:39,960
And it's also, sorry.

1105
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,760
I say, and it's one hell of a sucker punch and it definitely sucks, but it's just, I

1106
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,560
don't know for me, it doesn't have the same like punch.

1107
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,560
And it's also worth remembering that in Istvan free, all the prior marks are traitor involved

1108
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:52,560
in this one.

1109
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:58,040
So Ferris dies, Vulcan technically dies, then gets captured and tortured and Korax has to

1110
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,040
escape.

1111
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,040
And it's like, Oh, so you lost two.

1112
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,040
Oof.

1113
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,640
I think we had a donation by bunny cop.

1114
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,800
He says, he quotes, we will die on our own terms, self detonation, dreadnought reactor,

1115
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,760
RIP those two death guard.

1116
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:13,760
Yeah.

1117
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,600
Pyrrhon followed Temeter.

1118
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,560
I think that the Istvans can go together.

1119
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:19,560
I think.

1120
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:20,560
Yeah, I think so.

1121
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:26,440
And I might argue just from respective, should we downgrade the birth of Sonesh just because

1122
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:27,440
there's no character?

1123
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:28,440
I see.

1124
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,360
Like I'm not feeling it's, I'm not feeling it's in that echelon anymore.

1125
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:33,360
Yeah.

1126
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,560
We'll say though, Istvan 3, 10,000 years later had a happy ending.

1127
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Fulgrim gets surprised by Rizvah.

1128
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,600
So not as tragic then.

1129
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:47,560
No, but it's glad he got what was finally coming to him 10,000 years later.

1130
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,360
What, someone roasting him?

1131
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:54,920
The next one though, again, this is just a battles one, but this one is essentially the

1132
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,320
battle for Moloch.

1133
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:02,680
And this is essentially where Horus, they attack this heavily defended world and this

1134
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:09,240
is where Horus enters the warp and essentially becomes the proper war master in terms fully,

1135
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:14,960
fully evil rather than just a bit of a cock.

1136
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,440
The battle of Moloch itself is quite, it's not super tragic, but there's like some events

1137
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:24,240
in it, which was, one of them is there was like a blood angels, well there's an ultramarine

1138
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:30,000
contingent stationed on there and essentially all of them get massacred and they all, a

1139
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,720
lot of them like throw themselves at Horus and they all give their lives to the last

1140
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:36,720
man.

1141
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,480
The blood angels contingent on Moloch, this is the sector in the heresy by the way, they

1142
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:49,400
are the ones where they come across the angels crucio, the red angel demon that was made

1143
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,680
up, basically when they failed at Sakeness Prime to corrupt Sanguineous, they made like

1144
01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:00,560
a basically a black rage demon and the blood angels on that planet were confronted by this

1145
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:05,920
demon and it was like, yes, turn, basically it was doing the city's like, yes, turn to

1146
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:06,920
the dark.

1147
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:07,920
Give in to your hatred.

1148
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,080
The blood angels rather than surrender to this rage building and then they actually

1149
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:18,520
all did a mass seppuku essentially, and the lazy took their blades and then they went

1150
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,020
up through their skulls and it was like, oh god.

1151
01:01:21,020 --> 01:01:25,160
So this one is actually really like, when you read it, it's like, oh man, and um...

1152
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,560
I've just done that with a bolter, Christ.

1153
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:28,560
Yeah.

1154
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:29,560
You have it.

1155
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,440
They do that rather than get corrupted.

1156
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,920
Is this the one with House Divine in it, the night house?

1157
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,080
Yeah, the night house corrupted by...

1158
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:37,080
Sledish, yeah.

1159
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,240
So that one's kind of weird.

1160
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:46,880
It's not the most tragic event in the heresy, but it is essentially, it is where Horus in

1161
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:51,680
a quote unquote dies or something, or basically becomes the war master as well.

1162
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:53,520
He's committed to the bit now.

1163
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:59,840
And he also, this is where the night errant, the ones who like proto grey knights, they

1164
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:06,760
also above this world try and mark out the vengeful spirit for Leman Russ's, you know,

1165
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:12,080
video, whatever suicide attack and Loken and loads of other members get captured.

1166
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:17,120
And then one of the characters who we've been following since the early books, I can't remember

1167
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,120
which one his name is.

1168
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:24,800
It's one of the other, um, Luna wolves, one of the other, not Severin, cause he...

1169
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,840
Oh, you, um, Yecton Cruz, the half-herd.

1170
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:32,360
This is the guy who was like basically the old geezer of the Legion.

1171
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:37,920
And he's the one who basically he's, he escorts, um, Euphrates Keele from the vengeful spirit

1172
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:39,120
before on this farm three.

1173
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,720
So she doesn't die.

1174
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:45,080
And he basically gets his two heart Horus basically plunges his claw and takes out his

1175
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,080
two hearts, just stands there on his throne, like twiddling them.

1176
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:49,080
Yeah.

1177
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:50,080
Yeah.

1178
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:55,840
So he gives Loken his moment to, uh, to basically not turn.

1179
01:02:55,840 --> 01:03:00,360
And he was also the one who shot a dark angel when they infiltrated Caliban.

1180
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,560
He's like, ah, and he's like, we've got to listen, lad, we've got to do what we got to

1181
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:05,560
do.

1182
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,560
It's just a dark angel.

1183
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:07,560
Oh, Yecton.

1184
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:08,560
I didn't read the boy.

1185
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,560
Cause I didn't read them in order.

1186
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,400
Like a lot of the books, I wasn't like, I was like, who the hell is this guy?

1187
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:14,400
And then I read all the other stuff.

1188
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,880
I was like, oh, damn it.

1189
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:22,080
It's basically like kind of, he's based like a catachan in, in this guy.

1190
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,080
He's cool.

1191
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,200
And, uh, but being molecules, like the molecule was a huge battle as well.

1192
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:30,280
The traitors didn't actually, it had three, no, it had two legions.

1193
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:36,520
So the death guard and sons of Horus and they, they didn't actually that really win the battle,

1194
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,800
but the Imperium essentially lost so much because of it.

1195
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:44,800
Cause they, a whole like night house eventually, like they literally threw a night house at

1196
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Horus.

1197
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,160
They managed to isolate him and then they were crunked.

1198
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:53,080
And he went, nah, uh, by the way, we got a donation from Douglas Watson for $2.

1199
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,720
I believe those, or is that euros?

1200
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,320
That's a euro.

1201
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:01,240
As an I and an army owner, I appreciate the S tier.

1202
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:02,240
There you go.

1203
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:03,240
Fantastic.

1204
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:09,400
I hadn't mentioned people are going to, um, I don't know what you guys would be.

1205
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,400
Big bushy beard.

1206
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,400
Who's this?

1207
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,400
Are we happy with living in Moloch in B though?

1208
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,000
Uh, Moloch is, uh, so it's not the most tragic.

1209
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,000
Oh yeah.

1210
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:18,920
You put it pretty low down to be honest.

1211
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:19,920
Big bushy beard.

1212
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:20,920
It's space.

1213
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:21,920
It's a shame.

1214
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:22,920
It's a shame.

1215
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,240
This one is a shame.

1216
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:30,200
So this one, does anyone want to explain this one for the, the, the lovely people in the

1217
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,200
chat for that?

1218
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:32,640
Space Wolf plot armor.

1219
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:33,640
Yeah.

1220
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:34,640
Yeah, maybe.

1221
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:35,640
Yeah, maybe.

1222
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:36,640
Should I give a free vote?

1223
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:37,640
Yeah, go for it.

1224
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:38,960
So there was this thing, right?

1225
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:39,960
Cool.

1226
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,160
The first war for Armageddon.

1227
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:42,160
Pretty bad.

1228
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:43,880
Uh, demonic invasions.

1229
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,880
Not very nice.

1230
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,200
Uh, so eventually the Imperial was like, right.

1231
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:49,440
Armageddon is really important.

1232
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:51,200
This is the first time it's been invaded.

1233
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:55,920
We're going to send the space walls and the gray nights to clear up the demons.

1234
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:57,480
Space walls are doing a pretty good job.

1235
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,680
Gray nights come in absolute wash.

1236
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:00,680
Yeah.

1237
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,120
We've won the first war for Armageddon.

1238
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:03,760
Angron gets cranked.

1239
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:04,760
Everyone's a winner.

1240
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,400
Except whenever you get the gray nights involved, they have a tendency, I say a tendency, more

1241
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:16,440
like a duty in their eyes to kill anyone involved with even a sniff of chaos, uh, potential

1242
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:21,160
corruption and the space walls, as much as people don't like the space walls a lot, they're

1243
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:26,440
pretty much like very heroic and very much like, oh, we will, we will defend the innocent

1244
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:31,040
and civilians because even though we're kind of barbaric warriors, everyone loves us because

1245
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,200
we're always saving the civilians.

1246
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,240
And so when the gray nights are like, we're going to kill all the children, the space

1247
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,160
walls like, no, you're not.

1248
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,600
And so then there's a war between loyalists, space walls versus gray nights.

1249
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,960
I want to mention one thing about space walls.

1250
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,480
This is not related to this thing, but it's in the Ragnar Black main book where it's his

1251
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:55,160
first space battle and the space walls are like at war and they're like invading a chaos

1252
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:02,480
ship and they essentially make it back to their own ship that just in time.

1253
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:07,680
And there's like the bit where their leader goes, we should cheer for our fallen brothers.

1254
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:12,280
And basically like they're like, yeah, like they're all, and then Ragnar Black main is

1255
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:13,280
like, oh yeah, yeah.

1256
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,160
And then, then the ship explodes outside the enemy ship and they all go like, yeah, they're

1257
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:18,160
even louder.

1258
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,800
And then the leader Benji goes, and now we're going to have some ale.

1259
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:26,800
And then it says like this says in wording specifically, this was the loudest roar by

1260
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:27,800
far.

1261
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,400
And it was so deafening that Ragnar Black main couldn't hear for a bit because they

1262
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,200
were always going to start drinking.

1263
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,640
The champions of protecting the innocent and alcoholism.

1264
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:38,640
We love the space walls.

1265
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:39,640
They're just goofy goobers.

1266
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:40,640
I'll give them that.

1267
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,160
They're the legion I'd most want to hang out with.

1268
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:44,160
Yeah.

1269
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,080
And to be fair, I think it was DJ B said like, you know, not much of a fan of the space walls

1270
01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:51,320
but the Inquisition get an L. I'm here for it.

1271
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,320
They managed to kill a group, not the Grandmaster, but a...

1272
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:58,680
No, it's not a grandmaster of the Grey Knights.

1273
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:03,360
So they kill one of the top six guys or Logan Grimnard does because it's Logan Grimnard.

1274
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,400
Which is very sad as well because...

1275
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,280
Logan Grimnard, I'm my special chaos here.

1276
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,000
Is that how he speaks?

1277
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Is it?

1278
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,560
That was the Grey Knight who also helped defeat Angron.

1279
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:13,560
Sorry, sorry.

1280
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:17,360
Colin, could you do another impression of Logan Grimnard?

1281
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,360
That was exceptional.

1282
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,760
Logan Grimnard is my special chaos here.

1283
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,040
I'm 13 and this is deep.

1284
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:29,880
I hope that's canonically when the next book comes out, he'll say, and I think my space

1285
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,880
walls into the grey and I didn't like chaos.

1286
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:40,920
I personally, I love Space Wolf Plot Armor because it makes the haters so angry.

1287
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,920
I'm haters.

1288
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,040
It's a see then cope moment for all the Space Wolf haters.

1289
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:52,120
I think it's only cool when the Ultramarines do it.

1290
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,840
I will add to this as well.

1291
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:59,920
Basically the survivors of the first War of Armageddon, they're all being euthanized or

1292
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,840
made infertile by injections from the Inquisition.

1293
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,620
And then the moment the Space Wolves go, that's kind of weird and wrong.

1294
01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:11,160
They basically get attacked by the Inquisition.

1295
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,440
They turn up at Fenris with the Dark Angels and Grey Knights because I think isn't it

1296
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:20,400
a changeling is actually one of the members of the Inquisition who's plotting this.

1297
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:23,920
And they basically start attacking the Space Wolves and one of their planets.

1298
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,560
One of their planets I think is pretty heavily damaged.

1299
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,680
And then essentially the Imperium just starts fighting itself.

1300
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,960
Again, the Grandmaster who died from the Grey Knights.

1301
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:41,160
I think of all the Grey Knights, like a hundred Grey Knights fought the Demon Prime Angron

1302
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,160
and only like a handful of them survived.

1303
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:49,240
And then that guy gets killed by Logan Grimnar essentially in a parley.

1304
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:53,480
He basically catches him off guard where he's not ready to fight.

1305
01:08:53,480 --> 01:08:55,360
He's just like, oh I'm dead.

1306
01:08:55,360 --> 01:09:00,440
Because he insults the Space Wolves and Logan Grimnar goes, that's kind of not my thing.

1307
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:02,680
And then just slams his axe into his chest.

1308
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,600
So he actually got baby mad.

1309
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,640
Big words for someone who doesn't have vocal cords anymore.

1310
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,760
I think Logan's like, big words for someone who has an axe in their stomach.

1311
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:12,760
Like what?

1312
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:13,760
It's a...

1313
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:21,520
And yeah, so basically loads of people and then even the ships that were surviving, the

1314
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,760
people that the Space Wolves managed to save, the Inquisition started hunting them down

1315
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:31,160
and they started exterminatizing, if that's even a word, like planets that had like say

1316
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:36,360
one survivor of Armageddon and Anta on that planet, that planet was exterminated.

1317
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,160
So that's why it's called them.

1318
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:42,320
And then basically after the changing was revealed, it'd be like the Inquisitor.

1319
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:47,040
And then basically the Cranites went, oh we should have probably pulled out earlier.

1320
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:48,040
You know what I mean?

1321
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,040
Yeah.

1322
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,040
That was bad.

1323
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,040
They had that post-combat clarity at that point.

1324
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:53,040
Post-combat clarity.

1325
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,400
But that's why it's called the Months of Shame because they were very much just like billions

1326
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:58,640
and billions of people died.

1327
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,680
And to this day, the Space Wolves do not allow Inquisitorial vessels anywhere near Fenris.

1328
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,800
They're like, if we see you, we will shoot you on sight because we don't like you anymore.

1329
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,360
Where does everyone think this should go though?

1330
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,800
After having said all that piece because it's pretty bad.

1331
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:14,800
Yeah.

1332
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:16,360
I think it's pretty bad.

1333
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,080
It's not worse than the first Black Crusade, surely.

1334
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,080
Yeah.

1335
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:25,360
What do you guys, what do you call them?

1336
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:26,960
Worse than the men of Iron?

1337
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,240
I don't think I should be the deciding vote on this one.

1338
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:30,840
Oh, you have to say it.

1339
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,000
You have to say what you think.

1340
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,120
D for destroy Space Wolves.

1341
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,120
Yeah.

1342
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,120
Maybe not.

1343
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:42,480
I think it deserves A. I think it's just because it sounds so bad.

1344
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,520
It's worse than the Black Crusade.

1345
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:45,520
Actually, maybe not.

1346
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,040
Maybe the Black Crusade goes up one.

1347
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,040
Yeah.

1348
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,040
Maybe there?

1349
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:51,040
The one who ported died.

1350
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,560
It was, you know, a Grandmaster, an unnamed, like-

1351
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:55,560
I think he was named.

1352
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,240
He was probably invented for the- I meant like, he was invented for that port to die.

1353
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:01,240
Yeah.

1354
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,240
Yeah.

1355
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:03,240
I think Harry says that's perfect.

1356
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:04,240
So maybe we'll leave him there.

1357
01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:05,240
Yeah.

1358
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:06,240
Very nice.

1359
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:07,240
The next one though-

1360
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,160
From it's Welcome to the Bone Zone.

1361
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,080
This one is the biotransfer and slash death of the Necron tier.

1362
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:22,000
Does anyone want to have a quick just explain explanation of what that is for the uninitiated?

1363
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:29,600
The Necron's- the Necron tier at that point fought against the Old Ones in order to both

1364
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:35,280
get the secret of either eternal life or not having super cancer from the Old Ones.

1365
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:41,800
They lost the war and then they found the Catan who they gave bodies of living metal

1366
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:46,480
and then the Catan made them a deal like, hey, we'll make you super powered.

1367
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,040
We'll give you so much more strength.

1368
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,880
We'll free of your, you know, horrible, horrible wasting bodies.

1369
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,520
As long as you just help us kill the Old Ones, would you want to do anyway?

1370
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:55,520
Right?

1371
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:56,520
Isn't that a great deal?

1372
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,880
And then pretty much all but one of the ruling Necrons was like, yeah, that's great.

1373
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,920
Or it can the Diviner was like, no, that's awful idea.

1374
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:03,920
Don't do it.

1375
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:05,840
And no one listened to him.

1376
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:12,280
So they underwent biotransference the entire Necron to erase and the Catan ate their souls

1377
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,160
and put them in living metal bodies.

1378
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:20,320
And they were now the soulless Necrons and they, they killed the Old Ones.

1379
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:26,120
And they, the, the, the, the twice dead king book describes it as they are like, they,

1380
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:31,120
the entire race, which is like crowded on their home world just has to march towards

1381
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,680
it at these massive furnaces.

1382
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,880
They burn them alive and then the people, the people die along the way because they're

1383
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,880
just, you know, super cancer.

1384
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,400
Yeah, there's like summer too, like cancer ridden and frail to walk.

1385
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,800
So people are carrying them on like funeral buyers.

1386
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,280
And then eventually they're like, he's dead.

1387
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:47,280
And they just drop him.

1388
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,280
All right, keep marching, keep going, keep going.

1389
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,600
And you're like, oh, that's pretty bleak.

1390
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:51,600
Yeah.

1391
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,200
And then they get command protocol.

1392
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:58,680
So the silent king is basically like can force control over them.

1393
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:04,080
And there will never be another new Necron slash Necron tier after this because the entire

1394
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,440
race essentially dies and gets copied into metallic bodies.

1395
01:13:08,440 --> 01:13:10,520
They're not like soul transferred.

1396
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,960
I don't think they're actually like a copy.

1397
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:17,200
Also 99% of them have no personality anymore.

1398
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:22,080
It's just the Necron warriors, like ghost of a ghost of a personality in there.

1399
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,640
Oh, water prints.

1400
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:24,640
Welcome, brother.

1401
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,640
Praise the Lord of the Sire.

1402
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:28,640
We'll talk about this.

1403
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:29,640
But keep it on my boys.

1404
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:30,640
It's tragic.

1405
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:31,640
This is terrible.

1406
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:32,640
This is terrible.

1407
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:33,640
Soft pensions dancing man.

1408
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:35,680
And first of all, that's a mouthful of a name.

1409
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:36,680
Good man.

1410
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,280
Second of all, hell yeah.

1411
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,280
That is too fair.

1412
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,280
That is right.

1413
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,280
He is correct.

1414
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:43,280
Overfall, Katie.

1415
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:44,280
My man.

1416
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:45,280
Where does everyone want to put this though?

1417
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,280
Where does everyone want to put the...

1418
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,080
It's pretty sad.

1419
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,080
It's sad, but also the Necrons are really hard to like.

1420
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,080
What?

1421
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,680
They're just like, oh, they're just very spiteful and like, hey, I'm a Necron.

1422
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,400
And humanity isn't in this.

1423
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:00,400
Yeah, yeah.

1424
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:05,080
But like the fact that Altix in his book is described as like having the strange characteristic

1425
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,640
of being compassionate.

1426
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:12,120
It's like, you're not making it very easy to like, like space wolves are like barbarian

1427
01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,840
warriors, but they have like a good heart.

1428
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:15,840
Those are just arseholes.

1429
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,200
It's because they got their souls taken away.

1430
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:22,440
No, but even before they, before then when they were like Necronteer, again, Altix was

1431
01:14:22,440 --> 01:14:23,960
characterized as being compassionate.

1432
01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:27,200
It's like, I get you have a bad hand with all the like.

1433
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,840
It's all the, but this is like, it's the death of all the good Necronteer as well though.

1434
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,000
Only arseholes were doing this.

1435
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,680
I do agree with what Andy's saying in the sense of they kind of brought it on themselves,

1436
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:43,800
but I think the stance of anyone is worse than anyone else.

1437
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,480
Like, I mean, it does.

1438
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:52,480
Yes, the evil, but like Necrons versus Imperium and a Moralevian.

1439
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:59,240
Here's the thing Colin, but then again, Eldar in the equation, they kill a lot of Eldar.

1440
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,000
I know you like your Eldar.

1441
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:05,920
They do, but by this point in the war, they're still at the point where the Eldar are fully,

1442
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,040
you know, balls on the table, full psychic might.

1443
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,920
And Cain is, you know, uncharted and able to actually do things.

1444
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:15,920
I think it's, this is A at least.

1445
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,440
It's like, it's basically the equivalent of the fall of the Eldar.

1446
01:15:18,440 --> 01:15:20,800
Yeah, I'll give it A tier.

1447
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:26,560
And it is like, like the war in heaven is the event that turned 40k into such a shit

1448
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,280
show way down the line.

1449
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:34,100
Like it ruined the Sea of Souls turned into the warp and chaos and shit.

1450
01:15:34,100 --> 01:15:36,680
It's just for the Necronteer themselves, very sad.

1451
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,000
All of any of the potentially good ones probably lost their personality because it's just mostly

1452
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,620
the power hungry nobles left that have any individuality.

1453
01:15:45,620 --> 01:15:49,880
It's also, it's just like, you kind of did that to yourselves.

1454
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:53,880
To fair Eli then also got more Xenos for the setting.

1455
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,760
So he's not that upset about it.

1456
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,920
And we killed them all once they got what they deserved.

1457
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:58,920
That's true.

1458
01:15:58,920 --> 01:15:59,920
Ribbit, ribbit.

1459
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:00,920
Pretty awesome.

1460
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaking of the next one though, this one's probably not quite as bad, but this one is

1461
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:09,160
the Octarius war, which is like a recent thing, which they kind of just left alone after.

1462
01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:10,160
I don't know.

1463
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,160
Yeah, it happened.

1464
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:17,040
Do you want to briefly explain the Octarius war just for reference?

1465
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:23,680
Cryptman in his infinite wisdom decided that the Tyranids are ever growing and always,

1466
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:29,720
you know, every time they consume a planet, they, you know, they get stronger.

1467
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:34,240
The orcs, every time they leave a fight, come out of it stronger.

1468
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:40,680
What if we just throw those two factions against each other and then when one of them wins,

1469
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,160
we can come in and finish off the weakened one.

1470
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:47,100
Except the problem was the Tyranids kept going stronger and stronger because they were eating

1471
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:51,320
more and more orc biomass and the orcs kept getting stronger and stronger because they

1472
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:55,120
were fighting just 24 seven nonstop.

1473
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,080
So instead of weakening either faction, it was like he just pumped them both full of

1474
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:04,820
steroids and the black Templars threw themselves in the middle of it.

1475
01:17:04,820 --> 01:17:09,320
That also happened, but like, okay, why did they do that?

1476
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:13,440
I'm just mentioning a picture of him, Cryptman just there with like, I mean, just going,

1477
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:14,440
mistakes were made.

1478
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:16,920
It's like, yeah, just a couple.

1479
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,600
The biggest whoops ever.

1480
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:25,260
But the consequences of this entire war was that many, like an entire Imperial system

1481
01:17:25,260 --> 01:17:34,960
got decimated and essentially the hive fleet basically found the orc stronghold and just

1482
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:39,280
went, ignore the Imperials, went balls to the wall attacking this last bit and they

1483
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:42,160
eventually did manage to wipe the orcs.

1484
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:46,920
So basically all the Tyranids got loads of a huge amount of biomass and essentially there's

1485
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:54,240
this massive hive fleet now, which is first of all experienced, has consumed the biomass

1486
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:58,480
of strong orcs and now they incorporate that into their own DNA and they are basically

1487
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:00,480
fed like full.

1488
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,120
So they're ready to fight.

1489
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:09,700
The Imperium is and the Imperium has the Imperium, by the way, could contain it when it was trying

1490
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:14,280
to contain, as in like it tried to fight the outskirts of the orcs versus the Tyranids.

1491
01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,160
It couldn't take either one of them on individually.

1492
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:22,240
And essentially now this war has led to what might be like a ridiculous tragedy of the,

1493
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:26,000
well, this was a tragedy in making because the Imperium.

1494
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:29,760
I don't think we can really count it as a proper tragedy yet because nothing's come

1495
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:30,760
out of it yet.

1496
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:35,160
It's like Octarius itself was just like, like you said, a big oops.

1497
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:38,520
It's like, you know, Krypman, both of them thrive on conflict.

1498
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:40,880
What was the end goal there?

1499
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:41,880
The realistic end goal.

1500
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:44,920
The thing is, you know how a lot of famous last week we were talking about the Necron

1501
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:49,640
Lords and about how Imotech hates the orcs and he wants to kill them all and the Silent

1502
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:54,120
King hates the Tyranids because they're going to, it's like just both of them meeting each

1503
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,720
other and like having a bit of a scrap and all of a sudden they look at the Octarisex

1504
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,400
and they're just going, oh, come on guys, you're making it worse for, like let's team

1505
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:04,360
up and sort this out because this is, neither of us want this.

1506
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:05,360
This is bullshit.

1507
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:06,360
Imperium, why?

1508
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,360
Why?

1509
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,360
Why are you like this?

1510
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,360
Do you think you should, where should it go in the list?

1511
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,640
I don't know what it would teach you.

1512
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:18,880
Like above the Damocles crusade, because like I don't think that's a tragedy at all.

1513
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:22,960
But like that's like just a tragedy in the making at most.

1514
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:26,600
Because as the Octarisex war is, first of all, metal is hell because the whole planet

1515
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:30,320
was basically just orcs and Tyranids as far as I can see.

1516
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:34,240
And every now and then there'd be an Imperial guard outpost sitting there, probably crying

1517
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:38,200
profusely for the mess of a planet they were on.

1518
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,400
And on that it was just a sea of green and like red.

1519
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,740
Speaking of something that might be a bit hard on the next one.

1520
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:52,760
This one is the destruction of the Pharos beacon slash the death of Barabbas Dantioch.

1521
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:58,240
I didn't really want to do too many character things, but this one might be the most tragic

1522
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:03,880
event in terms of like as in how it's written for people listening.

1523
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,800
The Pharos beacon was a thing during the Horus heresy.

1524
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:11,560
It has a consequence I'll get to in a bit, which I think Colin knows quite, quite, quite

1525
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:18,000
well, which was the Pharos beacon was essentially like the Astronomicon people, they were all

1526
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,480
cut off during the Horus heresy from that, like a big swath of the Imperium.

1527
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:26,960
Gilliman in the Imperium Succundus, like temporary empire he set up.

1528
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:31,280
They had this Pharos beacon on the planet of Sotha, which basically acted like a communication

1529
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:36,440
hub and also like a mini Astronomicon slash North Star onto McCragg.

1530
01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:37,440
And teleporter.

1531
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,400
Yeah, teleporter as well.

1532
01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:44,200
The nightlaws decided that was cringe and decided to invade.

1533
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,520
Imagine how much like raiding we can do with this thing.

1534
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,840
Like you guys have one goal and it's terrible and you should stop.

1535
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:51,200
You should get some help.

1536
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,200
Naughty boys.

1537
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:58,200
And basically ended up being essentially as well as the first layer of tragedy is that

1538
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:02,760
the defenders of the Pharos beacon were actually members of the broken Legion.

1539
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:08,560
So like members of Iron Hand, Salamanders and Raven guard and some white scars were

1540
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,920
the defenders with some alterings as well.

1541
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,960
And also Imperial Fist as well.

1542
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:14,960
Apologies.

1543
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,360
These like basically the ones who got shafted at Istvan, a lot of them had made their way

1544
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:22,400
to McCragg and then were sent to defend this Pharos beacon.

1545
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,840
They all end up dying.

1546
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:34,000
Pharos Dantioch and Alexis Pollux is essentially a iron warrior and Imperial Fist who notoriously

1547
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,260
they forever into the modern set, like the 40k part.

1548
01:21:38,260 --> 01:21:42,560
Those two hate each other so much because obviously the biggest, you know, huge rivalry

1549
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,280
between their Primarchs.

1550
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:50,280
But eventually they become like essentially best friends and they make like a true bond.

1551
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:56,160
And eventually Barabas Dantioch gives his own life to sort of sabotage the Pharos beacon

1552
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,480
so the Night Lords can't use it.

1553
01:21:58,480 --> 01:22:02,200
And his death is really sad because it's actually the only time you ever see a Space Marine

1554
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,200
cry.

1555
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:08,280
Alexis Pollux cries for Dantioch's death because he's, you know, he was once his enemy and

1556
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,400
then he loved him like a brother.

1557
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:15,440
And he even says like when Gilman does come to reinforce them, he growls at people like

1558
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:19,320
don't touch my, he was my brother, only I will hold him.

1559
01:22:19,320 --> 01:22:24,120
And then they give him like a warrior's funeral as like a hero of the Imperium.

1560
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:28,360
It's honestly pretty like in the book is very like, oh, you know, I mean, you basically

1561
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,640
like, Jesus Christ.

1562
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,040
I think Andy, you might've said when you made a video on it.

1563
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,760
Like people, when you read the excerpt out, often people do get more emotional.

1564
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,640
I get comments on my video all the time.

1565
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,760
Just like, oh, why, why is this?

1566
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:40,760
Who's chopping onions?

1567
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:41,760
It's very sad.

1568
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,640
It's the only time you see someone like really like, they're all meant to be soldiers.

1569
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,840
So they're not meant to get upset or, you know, meant to move on and fight the next

1570
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:51,840
battle.

1571
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,320
So it's the only time you ever see one guy like properly mourn for another friend and

1572
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:59,240
be like, you know, why we could have lived.

1573
01:22:59,240 --> 01:23:03,080
I'd love to see a montage of them when they're like best buds and nothing's wrong.

1574
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:07,720
Just them just going, just the two of us, we'll build castles in the sky.

1575
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:12,160
Also, the next part of the tragedy, I think Colin, do you want to explain what happened

1576
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,160
when the pharaohs died?

1577
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:17,120
I've a couple of times said this, I know.

1578
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,320
In the real world, you know, it made a, it made a pretty big explosion in the warp.

1579
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:28,160
It made a very big explosion and that explosion was so bright that thousands of light years

1580
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:34,000
away it caught the attention of the Tyranid hive mind, who then realized that Milky Way

1581
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:40,240
equals food and promptly shifted courses directly to Milky Way.

1582
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:43,760
It's basically the Tyranids.

1583
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:47,000
This is the death slash rise of the Tyranids.

1584
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,200
I think it may be, again, if someone hasn't really read the book, it's hard to kind of

1585
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:57,400
convey how sad this is, but just the Tyranid consequence, I feel like it does put it in

1586
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,400
a nest here at least.

1587
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:04,440
Maybe just below Eandon, because I feel like that was more of like a whole craft world

1588
01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:05,440
died.

1589
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:09,400
You could just make Barabas for that little goof.

1590
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,920
Yeah, technically Barabas' fault the next one above it.

1591
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:15,920
So that was pretty bad.

1592
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,120
We've got a donation.

1593
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:21,520
Oh, do you want me to read it?

1594
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,480
Yeah, sure.

1595
01:24:25,480 --> 01:24:31,000
From incoming back up, Squiggly30, I'm not sure what that is, just joined the stream

1596
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,920
and for some reason the death of Boingob isn't in SSS here.

1597
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:35,920
Oh my god, we forgot about him.

1598
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:36,920
Truly shameful.

1599
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:41,720
I did not give you the knowledge of Boingob for you to disrespect him as such.

1600
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:42,720
Hold on, let me process.

1601
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:43,720
Can we get a Boingob in the chat?

1602
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:44,720
Just see if I can find a picture.

1603
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:45,720
Can we quickly put Boingob?

1604
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:51,040
Although it's not quite 40k.

1605
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:55,720
His death transcends tragedy across time and space.

1606
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,640
Let me just find a picture of him quickly.

1607
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:05,520
For those who didn't catch the previous streams, Boingob is the father of all squigs.

1608
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,600
In Age of Sigmar.

1609
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:08,600
In Age of Sigmar.

1610
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,480
I can't remember how he died, did he get...

1611
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:15,040
He tried to eat the son of Heisch, the realm of light, then it burned him.

1612
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,520
He tried to eat the son of...

1613
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:18,520
My man got rotisserie chickened.

1614
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:24,240
Boingob is a bit of a spiritual animal for this.

1615
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,240
I can't think about Boingob again.

1616
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,080
There we go, we fixed it, sorry.

1617
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,080
We won't do that again.

1618
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:31,080
Fucking Boingob.

1619
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,080
He's back.

1620
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,080
He's back.

1621
01:25:33,080 --> 01:25:35,520
You cannot get rid of him.

1622
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,040
The next one though, I didn't mean one with the horrors here, but this is kind of like

1623
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,040
in a...

1624
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:44,680
It's not really one event, but it's multiple, which is the disappearance of the Primarchs.

1625
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,760
So this is all of their sort of things, how that would have consequences on the setting.

1626
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:56,600
Obviously it can be Corvyn's Korraks basically crying his eyes out and leaving the tower

1627
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:02,160
a year after, basically going, you know, Edgar Allan Poe, and then leaving.

1628
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,680
Basically, he's like, nevermore.

1629
01:26:05,680 --> 01:26:09,000
It would have been more tragic if they didn't bring them back.

1630
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,680
This is like all of the ones after the heresy, right?

1631
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:14,400
Yeah, this is post-Sigmar Terror.

1632
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:19,640
I don't think this should really be higher than B, because the thing is all of them have

1633
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:23,840
died or disappeared in a way that's pretty clear.

1634
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:26,960
If they need to come back or if GW wants them back, they will come back.

1635
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:34,320
Even Rogal Dorne, they found his hand, but they never found his body.

1636
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:39,760
That's one of the biggest, he's just on a bus, he'll be back later off screen.

1637
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,080
All of the Primarchs after the heresy are perfectly primed to come back.

1638
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:50,240
It sucks for the Imperium, and it's bad, and I know it is a meta reason, but you can't

1639
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:51,240
reverse it.

1640
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,880
In-universe, it's pretty bad for them.

1641
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:58,600
It's just like, I don't know, I can't shake the whole feeling of like, yeah, they're not

1642
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,600
dead.

1643
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,640
They're very much not dead, especially some of the Corvus, you know.

1644
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,240
He's just in the warp, fucking with Lorgar.

1645
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:12,880
Giliman is back, the lion was technically part of the heresy, but he's old, but he's

1646
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:13,880
back.

1647
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:21,320
I mean, there's also, I guess maybe the consequence of them leaving, or them disappearing, is

1648
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,720
basically the grimdark universe.

1649
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:28,480
Had a Primarch been around, Volkan was still around, he was kicking for a while, and it's

1650
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:31,640
still to crap.

1651
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:34,040
Is everyone happy to leave it there and beat it though?

1652
01:27:34,040 --> 01:27:37,760
I think it's not the worst, but it did have consequences that were pretty...

1653
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,840
Yeah, but I think the Imperium was on a downward spiral, no matter if they were around or not.

1654
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,560
It was just maybe they could have mitigated it a little bit.

1655
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:50,720
It also hits the feels, because obviously we all like Primarchs, so, you know.

1656
01:27:50,720 --> 01:27:51,880
Miss you boys.

1657
01:27:51,880 --> 01:28:00,680
The next one though, this is basically the burning of Prospero.

1658
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,400
This is a tragedy because it was...

1659
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,600
El Paso Rejo, Thousand Suns fans.

1660
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:06,480
That hurts.

1661
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:14,680
Essentially, Horus tricked the Space Wars, instead of arresting Magnus for...

1662
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,720
The Webway thing I'm counting in a different thing, so it's not part of it.

1663
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:19,440
I've got some stuff to say about that one.

1664
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:21,360
Yeah, that's the last one.

1665
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:27,880
Essentially, Magnus was meant to be arrested, but Horus, you know, telling Traitor, changed

1666
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:33,000
the orders for Leman Russ, and joined by Sisters of Silence and Custodes.

1667
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:38,200
They essentially burned all of Prospero, the home planet, or the Thousand Suns, and the

1668
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:41,440
Thousand Suns Legion, basically to the ground.

1669
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:45,640
I mean, soldiers that, you know, marines that fought with each other, to be fair, in the

1670
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:50,280
same book, not that long before, then had to like fight each other.

1671
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:57,840
The Thousand Suns, they were not ready for this at all, and so Magnus disabled their

1672
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:03,360
shields because he thought it was better to let one Legion die, rather than, you know,

1673
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,360
ruin the power balance in the Imperium.

1674
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:07,360
Is it Izakar?

1675
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:08,760
I can't remember his name.

1676
01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:10,520
Ifakar, whatever his name was.

1677
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:13,560
One of his captains was like, you do know the Space Wars are coming?

1678
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:14,560
He's like, yeah.

1679
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,040
It's like, we should like defend the civilians.

1680
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,680
And Magnus is like, no.

1681
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:18,680
Kills him.

1682
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,280
Listen, that great shot, 77.

1683
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,960
The burning of nerds is not appropriate, okay?

1684
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,680
This is tragic.

1685
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:31,280
Because also, in the book, it goes over like the citizens of Prospero, who were kind of

1686
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,800
innocent in all of this, basically get blasted from space.

1687
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:39,360
Like many people like hiding in their homes and stuff, and it's pretty horrific.

1688
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,640
The Thousand Suns desperately tried to hold back.

1689
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:47,920
Like, they think they just been randomly attacked by the Imperium for no reason.

1690
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,120
And a lot of them just in their desperate defense, just go, fuck it.

1691
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:56,280
And they just start using their powers too much, and they basically get flesh changed

1692
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:59,160
in the middle of the fire and turn into monsters.

1693
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:00,160
Chaos spawned.

1694
01:30:00,160 --> 01:30:01,160
Fun.

1695
01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:02,160
Chaos spawned.

1696
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:07,560
Getting chaos spawned is not fun, I imagine though.

1697
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:13,400
And basically, nearly the entire Legion gets destroyed.

1698
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:18,240
And then when it's the last moment, Magnus decides he's not...

1699
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,960
When they burn down the library, by the way, Magnus goes, okay, that's too far.

1700
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:22,960
That's too far.

1701
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:30,320
And because they basically like, you can kill my sons and my Legion and my legacy, but touching

1702
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:33,600
that knowledge, that could be useful to humanity.

1703
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:38,480
Okay, you know, Leman Rossi, you barbarian idiot, you've gone too far.

1704
01:30:38,480 --> 01:30:40,160
Again, wisely destroy the libraries.

1705
01:30:40,160 --> 01:30:41,160
No one's quite sure.

1706
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:46,360
By the way, we got a donation of two pounds from Conrad Kerr saying, much love from the

1707
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:47,360
Night Haunter.

1708
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:48,360
Thanks, mate.

1709
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:49,360
Thank you.

1710
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:50,360
Thank you, though.

1711
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:51,360
I love you too.

1712
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:57,000
And Magnus does get his back snapped by Leman Rossi during that.

1713
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:02,160
And then essentially they get corrupted by Zeent at the end because he gives in to Zeent's

1714
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:03,160
offer.

1715
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:06,920
So that's the burning of Prospero.

1716
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:08,400
I think it is quite...

1717
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:14,120
Particularly on the book side of it, it is quite sad because even on the Thousand Sun

1718
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:19,320
side and the space wall side, they're very much like, we don't really want to, but we

1719
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:20,320
have to.

1720
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:21,640
And they kind of...

1721
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,560
Like a lot of them, again, my favorite part, the Thousand Suns make fun of the fact that

1722
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,640
some of them charge in unhelmeted, so they start popping them like we're just shots.

1723
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,480
The space walls are stupid sometimes.

1724
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:36,600
And some of the Thousand Suns, all of their friends just basically die because they're

1725
01:31:36,600 --> 01:31:41,840
like, you know, the Imperium has betrayed us, they think, in a way.

1726
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:42,840
It's pretty...

1727
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:46,040
And then all the people of Prospero, only a few people survive.

1728
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:53,040
It's basically like the nightlords in Nostromo, the people who are still Nostroman who live,

1729
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:54,840
they basically live on ships now.

1730
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:55,840
That's it.

1731
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:01,000
By the way, we've also got a 15 Squigglees donation from incoming backup again saying,

1732
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,240
also, when are you doing an AOS tragedy tier list?

1733
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:09,640
Because genuinely, AOS has some fucking tragedies like Trump, a tired boy that will never sleep

1734
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:10,640
again.

1735
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,200
Well, we could do a fancy and AOS one.

1736
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,200
That could be...

1737
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:16,320
I think Colin would actually do...

1738
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,120
Well, the end time would just be...

1739
01:32:18,120 --> 01:32:19,120
End time.

1740
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,120
End time.

1741
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:21,120
End time.

1742
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,800
We should do a fancy one.

1743
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:26,720
I can put that together.

1744
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:28,120
Where does everyone want to put this one though?

1745
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:29,120
It's the four of Prospero.

1746
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,120
It's not as fan-said.

1747
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:33,120
I'd give it like A tier at most.

1748
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,240
Yeah, I guess a goober is a good word for me.

1749
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:40,200
It's between A and B for me, just because it's like over in an instant, in a way.

1750
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,120
I'd say I'll give bottom of A or top of B.

1751
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:43,120
Yeah.

1752
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,640
I think that's better.

1753
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:49,680
I'm more tied to it over the Black Crusade, because you don't see one character death

1754
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:56,040
in the Black Crusade, really, that you feel bad for, whereas the Fall of Prospero is...

1755
01:32:56,040 --> 01:33:01,720
The Thousand Sons roster gets halved, and you spend the entire book with them, and they

1756
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:03,720
basically die.

1757
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,880
The next one though is basically quite similar.

1758
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:11,240
This one is the Rubric of Auremun, which is the final nail death for the Thousand Sons.

1759
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:13,240
It's probably worse than...

1760
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,880
He tries to put them in D for don't care, because nerds...

1761
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,160
I mean, he tries to save them, doesn't he?

1762
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:23,160
He tries to do a magical thing to save them from the flesh change, and ends up turning

1763
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:29,680
them all into mindless dust automatons, and only a thousand plus, was it a couple thousand

1764
01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:30,680
of them ever remain.

1765
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:34,560
I feel like they probably maybe wouldn't have been turned to chaos if this didn't happen.

1766
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:37,360
They could have just been their own thing.

1767
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:38,360
Yeah.

1768
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,360
It's pretty...

1769
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,400
Auremun's a goober.

1770
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:45,880
Auremun is probably the only PPP who actually understands what he's done though, so he's

1771
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:47,840
the one who feels terrible about it.

1772
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:48,840
Yeah.

1773
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:52,360
Maybe top a B for it.

1774
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:56,520
Maybe less than the Black Crusade, because it's not that many Thousand Sons.

1775
01:33:56,520 --> 01:34:02,960
I think it's compounding on an already existing tragedy, so it definitely sucks for them.

1776
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:08,520
It's competing against the same thing already having happened.

1777
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:09,520
Yeah.

1778
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,560
So now they kind of double down on it.

1779
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,680
And it does kind of get old that Auremun's just kind of like, I'll get it right this

1780
01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:15,680
time, I promise.

1781
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,280
Like, you said that last time, dude.

1782
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,680
How many times are you going to try this?

1783
01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,760
He's the guy who can't cook, telling you, like, he's inviting you over for dinner.

1784
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:24,760
So it's like, you know what I mean?

1785
01:34:24,760 --> 01:34:25,760
Do I risk it?

1786
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,640
What are we having for dinner, Auremun?

1787
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:29,800
Microwaved chicken.

1788
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,080
I discovered seasoning today.

1789
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:32,080
It'll be fine.

1790
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:33,080
It's like, you don't know what you're doing.

1791
01:34:33,080 --> 01:34:34,080
This is salt.

1792
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:37,880
I saw that Instagram video where the guy says, I'm just browning off the chicken, and it's

1793
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:43,920
like you can see it's still raw in the middle, and then people go like browning it off.

1794
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:48,240
That thing is still walking around clucking.

1795
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:53,200
That thing is so white it blends into snow.

1796
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,540
The next one, there's a bit of a bit more heavy hitter.

1797
01:34:56,540 --> 01:34:58,040
This is the War of the Beast.

1798
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:07,280
I'm not sure if I want to explain this one, just for the uninitiated.

1799
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:15,480
The orcs, orc slash orcs, a little bit weird, known as the beast, rose to power and started

1800
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:21,840
basically upgrading the entire orc race into the croc they once were, like super orcs.

1801
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,320
With good music, apparently.

1802
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,320
Indeed.

1803
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,520
And killed off the imperial fist, literally to a man.

1804
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,480
There was one dude left.

1805
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:33,080
And then he died.

1806
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:39,040
And then he died, but they, and it was so bad.

1807
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:44,880
The iron warriors teamed up with imperial fist successors and nearly brought the imperium

1808
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,640
to its knees.

1809
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:51,880
Although that being said, it does kind of just end.

1810
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:57,520
Volkan comes out in retirement.

1811
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,520
For whatever that means.

1812
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:59,520
Volkan died okay.

1813
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,520
He did that like 20 times during the heresy.

1814
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,720
He blows himself up in it, right?

1815
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:05,720
Yeah.

1816
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,880
Doesn't he like tackle one of the beasts into a reactor?

1817
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:15,880
Yeah he tackles it into like a wah furnace thing and it blows up and everyone's like,

1818
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,160
oh that's good, we killed the beast.

1819
01:36:18,160 --> 01:36:20,200
And he's like, there's more!

1820
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:25,800
It would be like if Darth Vader basically went down the shaft with Palpatine instead

1821
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:26,800
of like throwing it.

1822
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,800
You know what it is Colin?

1823
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,720
It's the bit where George sacrifice himself and goes tell him to make it count and then

1824
01:36:32,720 --> 01:36:34,720
a dozen more show up and you're like, oh no.

1825
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,400
I don't want to think about that.

1826
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,680
I don't think it's that much for tragedy.

1827
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:45,560
It definitely has some tragic moments to it, but a lot of it is also just like, it's a

1828
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:46,840
war against the orcs.

1829
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:52,680
It's a really big deadly war against the orcs, but like in terms of tragedy, it's not like,

1830
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:53,680
you know, like.

1831
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:54,680
Yeah.

1832
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,760
And it's only really the imperial fist that suffers, so it's okay.

1833
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:01,680
There's like three imperial fists tragedies on this show.

1834
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:02,680
Yeah.

1835
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:04,680
It fucking sucks to be an imperial fist is what I'm learning.

1836
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:09,880
There's one imperial fist left after their initial fight and then he rallies, he calls

1837
01:37:09,880 --> 01:37:15,600
the last war protocol, so he rallies all of the successors of Dawn and then he dies at

1838
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:16,600
the end of it.

1839
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:18,960
So the imperial fist chapter technically dies for a little bit.

1840
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:19,960
Yeah.

1841
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:23,720
And then the excoriator's chapter master becomes the new Lord Command.

1842
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:24,800
I think that might be Maximus Fane.

1843
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:27,160
I think he's also, isn't the new chapter master?

1844
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,120
He was actually a character who was alive during the.

1845
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:30,120
Yeah, he was during the heresy.

1846
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,240
Yeah, that guy was like 2000 plus years old or something.

1847
01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,720
So he was an imperial fist initially.

1848
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:36,720
Yeah.

1849
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:37,720
Close enough.

1850
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:42,080
Yeah, he fought with like Fafnir and Ascalon and stuff during the Siege of Terror.

1851
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,960
It's whatever had happened.

1852
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:46,160
Weirdly enough, isn't the soul drinkers are there too?

1853
01:37:46,160 --> 01:37:48,360
Oh, he's the fist exemplar chaplain.

1854
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:49,360
Yeah.

1855
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:50,720
Are they still alive at this point?

1856
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:51,720
The soul drinkers.

1857
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:52,720
Oh yeah.

1858
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:53,720
Yeah, they were around.

1859
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:55,720
It was only like a few thousand years, like 32nd millennium.

1860
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:58,920
But I've got a weird theory.

1861
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:03,680
You know, people say like how in the soul drinkers stuff like later, like, oh, their

1862
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:06,560
gene seed is not imperial fist.

1863
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,680
Because I think it might, you know, like there's a theory like lost Primarchs were shunted

1864
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:13,280
into other legions, like mostly ultramarines.

1865
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:17,720
I think maybe some of them might've been shunted into imperial fists and essentially the gene

1866
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:18,720
seed.

1867
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,560
Like if they're making gene seed from something, it might've just been like, oh, you're not,

1868
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,280
you're technically lost Primarch.

1869
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,640
They did their 22 and me or their ancestry.com is just like redacted.

1870
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:29,120
Like, what do you mean?

1871
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:32,320
Oh, I want to know about my cut my great, great, great grandfather.

1872
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:33,320
No, you're not.

1873
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,880
Neon ass is a dawn of war three on the list.

1874
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:39,920
If only that'd be up there with the one go up honestly.

1875
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:42,240
Only maybe indeed because it's forgettable.

1876
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:45,520
What is the biggest tragedy of our time?

1877
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:46,520
Yeah, it did.

1878
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,040
It ruined an entire franchise to that.

1879
01:38:50,040 --> 01:39:04,000
The last one, if Gabriel is not the next one here is the plan from start to finish.

1880
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:11,200
The next one here is essentially the Magnus is fully slash webway getting ruined web web

1881
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:12,200
war.

1882
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:13,960
This project was due to failure from the start.

1883
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:18,680
It like the tragedy is that the upper thought it would work to begin with just to recount

1884
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:25,520
the events essentially the Emperor's grand plan is essentially make the Imperium unite

1885
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,440
all of mankind and then shift it into the webway.

1886
01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:31,000
So chaos can't touch us.

1887
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:37,100
And so he needs to have an, he has an opening of, of the webway beneath terror.

1888
01:39:37,100 --> 01:39:41,760
And basically he's put wards in place, guarding it from like chaos entry demons can't get

1889
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:48,440
in but Magnus can with the help of a, you know, a disguised war.

1890
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:49,440
It seems legit.

1891
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:53,280
It's just some guy in the webway sort of proximity in the war.

1892
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:57,200
I'm sure I can trust this guy.

1893
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:02,720
Magnus breaks the wards and as soon as he arrives in the throne room, his spirit does,

1894
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,480
he basically turns around and goes, what's that noise?

1895
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:11,520
And there's here's like a horde of like demons like laughing and running like, Oh crap.

1896
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:15,800
And essentially the custodians for the entire seat of terror because of the plot point they

1897
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:20,920
needed to be and the sisters of silence, they basically fight a losing battle against demons

1898
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:27,920
in like a lost the webway tunnels and like a lost Eldar ancient city in the webway.

1899
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:33,040
And most of the, I think it's like 90% of the custodians die in this webway war.

1900
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,680
Like they slowly bleed them completely dry.

1901
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:38,760
They go from like the 10,000, 60 years long or something crazy.

1902
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:42,920
They go from like the 10,000 host to the thousand host.

1903
01:40:42,920 --> 01:40:46,840
And despite, you know, people say, Oh, like there's a reason thing like, Oh, the king

1904
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,760
in yellow is using like psychos and blanks to like seal the webway or whatever.

1905
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:56,080
The sisters of silence are blanks and they were in the webway and they're still demon

1906
01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,080
prompts.

1907
01:40:57,080 --> 01:40:58,080
So it's not really a thing.

1908
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:03,400
Um, but essentially, and then even some Imperial defenders like the mechanicus as well, like

1909
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:08,560
a shunted in there, the Emperor gets stabbed by a demon that doesn't go poorly.

1910
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:09,560
It goes pretty poorly.

1911
01:41:09,560 --> 01:41:15,120
You will one day become Abaddon's sword.

1912
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:19,600
They have to sacrifice a thousand souls to the Emperor to then the Emperor eventually

1913
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,720
goes, all right, we'll push them back a little bit.

1914
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:23,320
And then he just seals the webway.

1915
01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:28,520
So now that plan to save humanity from being influenced by chaos completely dies.

1916
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:30,880
Oh, but Magnus did nothing wrong.

1917
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,080
Magnus did nothing wrong, guys.

1918
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:37,480
I'd like to explain why it was an awful plan to begin with.

1919
01:41:37,480 --> 01:41:38,480
Right.

1920
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:43,360
First of all, webway is like between the warp and real space.

1921
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:48,320
It regularly gets like invaded by demons on a good day because like, you know, fall the

1922
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:53,180
elder and everything and just 65 million years of degradation on top of it.

1923
01:41:53,180 --> 01:41:55,620
Already not the best place to be.

1924
01:41:55,620 --> 01:42:01,400
Second of all, there's the like the last meaningful Eldar God is hiding inside of it.

1925
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:04,680
So you know, there's a bit of a problem you have to deal with.

1926
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,000
It's cramped in there.

1927
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:10,360
It's cramped and, you know, Kamara is also just hanging out in there.

1928
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:12,960
Good luck with that one, Ems.

1929
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:17,840
And of course, the Eldar, like it doesn't hide like humanity is slowly awakening into

1930
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:19,440
a psychic race.

1931
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:24,360
The dark Eldar like atrophied their psychic senses because otherwise Slenesh will just

1932
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:27,400
find them in the webway and eat them.

1933
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,320
The Emperor, knowing mankind is becoming a psychic race, was like, oh, you hide them

1934
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,400
in the webway, ignoring the fact that the race...

1935
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:36,440
He's got the same voice as Logan Grimnar.

1936
01:42:36,440 --> 01:42:37,440
He does.

1937
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:38,440
Oh my God.

1938
01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:39,440
It's crazy.

1939
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:45,120
It's like, you know, like the psychic race had to give up being a psychic race if they

1940
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:49,440
were going to hide in the webway because otherwise chaos would just show up and shut up.

1941
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,840
That happens despite the dark Eldar getting rid of their psychic powers.

1942
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,680
Canes gate breaks and demons are over Kamara.

1943
01:42:56,680 --> 01:42:57,720
Like it was a plan.

1944
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,200
The tragedies that he thought it would ever work to begin with.

1945
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:03,520
It was a tragedy in the making, no matter what way you look at it.

1946
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:08,480
It sounds more like a GW author skill issue at this point.

1947
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:11,480
Probably, but it's also, it's the lore.

1948
01:43:11,480 --> 01:43:12,480
I don't know.

1949
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:16,960
I feel like if it had gone into plan, Biggie would just be like golden lightning bolts

1950
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:21,680
and be like, get wrecked bozos whenever anyone tries to like...

1951
01:43:21,680 --> 01:43:25,560
With all the legions and all the custodians and the Imperium and the Mechanicus, he'd

1952
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:26,560
be fine.

1953
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:27,560
But as it stands...

1954
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:31,760
Yeah, but also would be like all of humanity is now confined to the webway.

1955
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:36,640
Like if anything goes wrong, it's like the demons have...

1956
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,680
You break into like...

1957
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:41,000
Demons show up on a planet, right?

1958
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:44,140
Sucks for that planet, but they're only on that planet.

1959
01:43:44,140 --> 01:43:45,140
They will either...

1960
01:43:45,140 --> 01:43:51,100
But then again, if for example, one day barring the forest, the Tyranids invaded one day,

1961
01:43:51,100 --> 01:43:53,000
they'd be safe from them because they'd be like, we're in the webway.

1962
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:54,000
They're not going to get us.

1963
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,000
It's fine.

1964
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,000
Orcs and Tyranids and Necrons outside the webway, they can do what they like.

1965
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,000
We're just going to chill in here.

1966
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,480
They'd be safe because they'd all be dead by demons because the demons show up.

1967
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:04,400
They don't need to like do any more rituals.

1968
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:06,040
Just flood into that breach.

1969
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:10,080
And every breach in the webway is another infinity you need to hold off.

1970
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,720
When it happens in the real space, it's like, this sucks for that planet.

1971
01:44:13,720 --> 01:44:17,680
I mean, the Grey Knights were a rush job outside the Imperium after the end of the war.

1972
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:21,640
I'm sure Biggie could have figured out like, let's make the Uber Knights or whatever they

1973
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:23,520
be called and they just kill demons.

1974
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:25,320
If it was about any problems.

1975
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:31,280
Well, once that plan dies, the Emperor basically goes, I've got, I give, I hear him, we have

1976
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,160
to hold on until basically the inevitable fall now.

1977
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:35,480
Like that's the end.

1978
01:44:35,480 --> 01:44:36,480
There's also one-

1979
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:37,480
Guess I'll die now.

1980
01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:38,480
Essentially.

1981
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:44,000
There's also one more consequence, which was that like Malkadors says, like he confesses

1982
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,000
something.

1983
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:51,520
He says, me and the Emperor, we realized when we initiated the Great Crusade, like all the

1984
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,680
billions of people who were probably going to die during it because of basically them

1985
01:44:55,680 --> 01:45:00,160
homogenifying humanity into like, you know, you're that, you can't be too damn virgin.

1986
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:01,160
You're the Imperium.

1987
01:45:01,160 --> 01:45:02,160
Yeah.

1988
01:45:02,160 --> 01:45:03,160
Yeah.

1989
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:05,720
They basically said we were willing to kill all those people for this eventual plan that

1990
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:10,200
would somewhat, they call it the saving the species.

1991
01:45:10,200 --> 01:45:14,920
But then when the heresy starts, Malkador basically goes, the bit we actually feel guilty

1992
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:19,720
for is the heresy part because the deaths after that are the ones we didn't account

1993
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:20,720
for.

1994
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:22,160
Like that wasn't meant to happen.

1995
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:27,240
So therefore he says, basically all those people up to now have died for nothing.

1996
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:31,400
Basically the Emperor's big gentrification project for the galaxy didn't go according

1997
01:45:31,400 --> 01:45:32,400
to plan.

1998
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:33,400
No Starbucks is on every-

1999
01:45:33,400 --> 01:45:37,080
Because they never would have done the Great Crusade if they didn't think this plan was

2000
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:38,080
going to work.

2001
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:39,760
So that's how bad this plan is.

2002
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:44,600
There's so many things that need to go right for the Webway to not collapse in on the Emperor's

2003
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:45,680
feet.

2004
01:45:45,680 --> 01:45:48,400
So many different things need to go perfectly.

2005
01:45:48,400 --> 01:45:50,840
And if anything goes wrong, the whole thing is fucked.

2006
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,320
The Emperor is a doer.

2007
01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:58,760
He does say as well, he says there's one human not brought in the Webway, the plan fails.

2008
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:03,280
And I think it was the Custodi who says, like, isn't that crazy?

2009
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:08,360
And the Custodi goes, he says to the Custodi, yes, it's hubris, but he says, when I see

2010
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:13,680
the future, there's only this, it's like the Avengers endgame thing of like, you know,

2011
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:17,440
this is like the one victory plan where he thinks they can win.

2012
01:46:17,440 --> 01:46:20,080
Yeah, this is like bugging Collins.

2013
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,800
Also that is so unbelievably full of shit.

2014
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,440
The Elder alone has 50 different ways to deal with chaos.

2015
01:46:26,440 --> 01:46:32,400
They kept the eastern half of the galaxy clean, Iandin and Beelton alone for like 6,000 years

2016
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:33,400
straight.

2017
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,840
The Necrons show up and are just like, I'm going to turn off the Eye of Terror.

2018
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:36,840
Just no more.

2019
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:37,840
It's gone.

2020
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:42,160
There are so many ways to deal with chaos that don't involve hurting every human being

2021
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:43,160
into a tunnel.

2022
01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:47,600
They had a lot of time to figure that out.

2023
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,360
How tragic is this plan in terms of how poor is executed as well?

2024
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:53,040
Top of D tier because, you know, it's better than the dam.

2025
01:46:53,040 --> 01:47:00,520
It is a tragedy and it strikes more feeling into me than the fucking Abyssal Crux.

2026
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:06,440
But it's just like, I just, I hate that that's like, was the plan to save humanity.

2027
01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:07,800
Oh, there we go.

2028
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:13,360
But that is, I think that in terms of tragedy, we might have to do a fantasy one clawing

2029
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:16,360
because I honestly, this was actually quite a lot of fun.

2030
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,640
I think we've done quite a good job though.

2031
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:21,840
A lot of lore in this tier list.

2032
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:22,840
Yeah.

2033
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:23,840
Boingob though.

2034
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,320
Dude, most tragic.

2035
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:31,440
We do have one more list if people, it depends on everyone who has time for that as well.

2036
01:47:31,440 --> 01:47:35,400
If they want to go through it quicker if you want though.

2037
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,000
This one's a bit of a different vibe.

2038
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:40,640
Does anyone want to explain what we're going to be doing here?

2039
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,000
Can I just double down on something I saw in chat?

2040
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:44,000
Oh, go ahead.

2041
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:45,000
Go ahead.

2042
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,920
Digman88, the Emperor gets rid of the navigators.

2043
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:49,640
Chaos proceeds to break the Webwhite.

2044
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,200
Humanity has a second long night.

2045
01:47:51,200 --> 01:47:54,760
Like there is no happy ending with the Webwhite project.

2046
01:47:54,760 --> 01:47:57,680
It requires everything to be perfect for infinity.

2047
01:47:57,680 --> 01:48:00,920
Do you want my favorite part about this as well, Colin?

2048
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:06,680
The Chaos Gods wouldn't have, the only reason this all happened is because the Emperor's

2049
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:07,920
a threat to Chaos.

2050
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:11,240
And so that's the whole like thing that sets it in motion.

2051
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:16,280
If the Emperor didn't have a plan to do the Webway slash save humanity from being interfered

2052
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:20,160
with by the Warp, the Chaos Gods would have never done the Horus Heresy.

2053
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:23,600
Yeah, so literally like it's all his fault.

2054
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:27,360
It's literally, no wonder Eli hates the Emperor so much sometimes.

2055
01:48:27,360 --> 01:48:30,840
God, it is all his fault, unfortunately.

2056
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:35,920
Does anyone want to explain what the next quick tier list we're going to be doing?

2057
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,000
This is extensive as the last one.

2058
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,920
This is where children become adults.

2059
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:42,600
This is where real warriors are made.

2060
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:48,640
The Star Wars Battlefront 2 original Battlefront 2 map tier list.

2061
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:54,960
I would like to just start us off strong and make a second tier, make an extra tier that

2062
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:58,400
just says space battles like right below us.

2063
01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:02,240
They're all kind of the same thing really, but the space battles are so good in that

2064
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:03,240
game.

2065
01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:04,240
Yeah.

2066
01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:05,240
What?

2067
01:49:05,240 --> 01:49:08,800
I don't know if they're all in their own category if you want to put them in one tier.

2068
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:13,160
I mean just like just put them like the space battles and space fighting in that game is

2069
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:14,160
great.

2070
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,160
They're just all pretty much the same thing.

2071
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:21,640
The question is though, do you, are you a guy who goes out and does the dogfights or

2072
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:26,880
you the guy who's basically using a transport and just going into the ship to sabotage?

2073
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:27,880
I do both.

2074
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:28,880
Yeah, me too.

2075
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:29,880
Depends on how I feel.

2076
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:32,560
Put those in A. Give them the respect they deserve.

2077
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:36,520
Or space yardman at least, come on.

2078
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:37,520
They're all the same thing.

2079
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:43,160
Dogfighting is the most fun, but like if you're playing PvP then you have to basically go

2080
01:49:43,160 --> 01:49:45,360
and blow up the enemy ship stuff.

2081
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,200
Yeah, or you can just sit in your own ship from when they do it to you.

2082
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:53,160
The question is though, what do you guys target first when you were doing it back in the day?

2083
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:58,480
Because I would often go, I mean everyone just does engines, right?

2084
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,360
I go for the two frigates first.

2085
01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:02,480
Because you can usually hide in the engines, can't you?

2086
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:05,120
You can hide in the engine room at least.

2087
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:08,400
If you get like you and a couple other people and so you just sit there and form a wall in

2088
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:09,400
their engine room.

2089
01:50:09,400 --> 01:50:11,320
I have a confession to make.

2090
01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:12,880
I only ever played the first battlefront.

2091
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,640
I never had the money to get the second one and it never went down in price because it

2092
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:17,640
was so good apparently.

2093
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:18,640
It's on Steam, Andy.

2094
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:19,640
I guess you don't have a PC.

2095
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:20,640
I can't play it.

2096
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:27,960
There are some maps here I think which are reminiscent of the first game ones to be fair.

2097
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,080
I remember playing it.

2098
01:50:30,080 --> 01:50:35,240
I think it was the original Xbox I played the first battlefront on for people who are

2099
01:50:35,240 --> 01:50:40,480
in the chat probably thinking they've never even seen one of those.

2100
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:43,040
That's how long ago it was.

2101
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,000
The first one up here though, I do believe is Coruscant.

2102
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:47,000
S tier for sure.

2103
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:48,000
No.

2104
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:53,320
S tier for sure, it's such a cool map and if you play CIS you can be Darth Maul.

2105
01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:54,320
It's awesome.

2106
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:57,360
Are we including the campaign bits in this too?

2107
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,160
I'm thinking of the campaign particularly.

2108
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,360
Because if we're including campaigns then Coruscant has got to be S tier.

2109
01:51:02,360 --> 01:51:04,560
It's the only map like you fight Jedi.

2110
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:10,840
Oh and you have to sabotage the libraries as well.

2111
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:13,480
Are we including the campaign or just like the maps and like service?

2112
01:51:13,480 --> 01:51:15,720
I think it would be both in that because that influences.

2113
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,480
Then Coruscant has to be S tier.

2114
01:51:17,480 --> 01:51:18,480
Yeah I think it's awesome.

2115
01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:24,880
Try and remember in my head because the Jedi you can, or the hero characters, Anakin right?

2116
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:29,000
Yeah, yeah it's Anakin because it's a Order 66.

2117
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:31,360
I think in scrimmage mode it's Mace Windu though.

2118
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:32,920
Yeah Mace Windu and Darth Maul.

2119
01:51:32,920 --> 01:51:34,880
I still love the Mace Windu.

2120
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:37,920
Does anyone else do that thing where you just hop as high as you can as Mace Windu and then

2121
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:42,040
just do like a dom dom dom.

2122
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,040
Crimson glory.

2123
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:44,040
Crimson glory brother.

2124
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:47,040
Bless your soul crimson glory.

2125
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:48,040
Thank you brother.

2126
01:51:48,040 --> 01:51:49,040
Thank you very much.

2127
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,040
Love you all.

2128
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:52,440
Wish these were longer but I'll show up when I can.

2129
01:51:52,440 --> 01:51:56,120
Also every map is S tier because the game itself has ascended past S tier.

2130
01:51:56,120 --> 01:51:57,120
Very true.

2131
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:58,120
Big true.

2132
01:51:58,120 --> 01:51:59,600
My nostalgia goal was a F.

2133
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:04,880
This is a tier list within everything already being S tier.

2134
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:08,080
Could you imagine them remaking this with like long graphics?

2135
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,440
We've got to be really stingent with what we're doing now because I think the day will

2136
01:52:12,440 --> 01:52:13,440
be far.

2137
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:14,440
We'll be fair to them.

2138
01:52:14,440 --> 01:52:16,960
It's just all of these like every letter has an S in front of it.

2139
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:17,960
Dagobah though.

2140
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:22,600
Dagobah, if I remember correctly there's like a small bit where you can kind of go in some

2141
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:23,600
tunnels.

2142
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:24,600
There is.

2143
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:25,600
There's a little tunnel.

2144
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:26,600
But I don't remember playing.

2145
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:30,600
I don't really play this one too much though.

2146
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,200
Do you guys play Battlefield 3?

2147
01:52:33,200 --> 01:52:35,640
You don't metro that map where it's just.

2148
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,960
You ever heard of it?

2149
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:39,920
I don't replay Battlefield 3.

2150
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:41,040
It's this map.

2151
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:44,360
It's just like an underground metro station.

2152
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:52,520
In the middle of the map is the death zone where it's both teams of 64 people run through.

2153
01:52:52,520 --> 01:52:56,840
It's like Normandy Beach with both sides with the attackers.

2154
01:52:56,840 --> 01:52:59,760
Dagobah is like that except it's not as fun.

2155
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:04,600
Yeah, I didn't put a B tier.

2156
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:08,320
I don't think there's like really any vehicles.

2157
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:09,320
It's worse Fallujah.

2158
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:10,320
Doesn't sound very appealing.

2159
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:11,320
Why?

2160
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,200
It's Fallujah but worse.

2161
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,040
You can play Yoda, Darth Vader.

2162
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,120
I don't feel strongly about it.

2163
01:53:18,120 --> 01:53:24,600
I also just never enjoyed playing the Rebels or Empire way more than.

2164
01:53:24,600 --> 01:53:28,680
Playing the Cold War stuff is way cooler.

2165
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:30,440
Now Death Star.

2166
01:53:30,440 --> 01:53:32,840
I've enjoyed this one so much.

2167
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,840
I think this is an S tier.

2168
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:39,680
No, because the death corridor on the right.

2169
01:53:39,680 --> 01:53:44,400
We played with my brother-in-law the other day and we were losing significantly.

2170
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:45,400
We'll just stream this one.

2171
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:47,760
It's time to stream this as our next game.

2172
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,160
I got Luke Skywalker and I just went down the freaking prison corridor and killed like

2173
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:55,880
50 dudes in five seconds because all the AI just bunch up in the...

2174
01:53:55,880 --> 01:53:56,880
That's great.

2175
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,880
It's grenade corridor.

2176
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:01,320
It's such a maze of a map though.

2177
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:03,160
If you get lost you're just screwed.

2178
01:54:03,160 --> 01:54:11,560
You can also sabotage the people who charge grenades on the door controls on the bit near

2179
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:13,800
the laser as well so you can drop people.

2180
01:54:13,800 --> 01:54:20,000
It is funny to watch your friends fall off as well on that one command post.

2181
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:26,720
That one idiot who gets the hero character and then immediately starts zooming past everyone.

2182
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:31,640
You get past the grenades and the munitions in that initial corridor part and you base

2183
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:35,000
this light saving entire team.

2184
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,120
It's not S tier for me but I'm not going to fight...

2185
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:38,400
I had so much fun on that one.

2186
01:54:38,400 --> 01:54:43,040
I'd be okay if it was bumped down to A tier but it can't be any lower than that.

2187
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:45,800
Up above A maybe?

2188
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:46,800
End or S tier.

2189
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:47,800
There's no discussion.

2190
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:48,800
Come on.

2191
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:49,800
Is Wicked in it?

2192
01:54:49,800 --> 01:54:50,800
You get to shoot Ewoks.

2193
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:51,800
Yeah, yeah, true.

2194
01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:56,480
And you get the cool scout trooper.

2195
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:59,880
And the Ewoks in this one are way better than the Ewoks in the first game which have like...

2196
01:54:59,880 --> 01:55:03,400
The Ewoks in the first game were useless.

2197
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:06,120
You're basically cannon fodder whereas this one you can actually fight back.

2198
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:10,200
If you're playing with your mates you basically be a gang of Ewoks.

2199
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:15,000
You can basically bully someone pretty hard.

2200
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,800
Can we give Felucia a tier above S and just call it hell?

2201
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:18,800
Above S?

2202
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:19,800
Why above S?

2203
01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:28,040
You got the tree that wasn't made correctly so you have to jump up it if you want to.

2204
01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:31,480
There's also the...I looked at it and they're all called like Acklax or something.

2205
01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:32,480
The big spider monsters.

2206
01:55:32,480 --> 01:55:37,160
It's like, oh good, I'm not even fighting the enemy here.

2207
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:40,760
I'm in pain but I love that map so much.

2208
01:55:40,760 --> 01:55:41,760
Is it Alia Secura?

2209
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,760
Yeah, Alia Secura.

2210
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,280
I think it's versus Grievous but I'm not 100% sure.

2211
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:52,920
To be fair, there's some fun...you know you get past the initial heartbreak or the annoying

2212
01:55:52,920 --> 01:55:57,480
bit at the beginning and then you can kind of jump around and destroy the turrets.

2213
01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:03,720
That bit's a bit more fun but honestly I respect that map but I hate it.

2214
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:05,840
I love it but I hate it at the same time.

2215
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,080
Felucia will put some fucking hair on your chest.

2216
01:56:09,080 --> 01:56:10,080
Geonosis.

2217
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,960
Geonosis goes in hell tier, surely.

2218
01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:15,400
This one is actually worse than the other.

2219
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:21,560
There's no cover and the Geonosis are flying around everywhere.

2220
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:26,680
You die in like five seconds unless you're in the little building just being a sniper.

2221
01:56:26,680 --> 01:56:28,760
It's fun but it's definitely hell.

2222
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:34,440
To be fair, you get original clone skins.

2223
01:56:34,440 --> 01:56:38,960
I think it's the only map in the game with that.

2224
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:45,880
You also get loads of vehicles on CISI which is fun but the map is...I actually think it's

2225
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:50,280
worse than the original one because you know you had to destroy those silos in the first

2226
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:51,280
game.

2227
01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:52,280
If you remember that.

2228
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:53,280
So that was more enjoyable.

2229
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,280
Definitely B tier though.

2230
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:55,280
Hoth now.

2231
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:56,280
Hoth.

2232
01:56:56,280 --> 01:56:57,280
Hoth.

2233
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:58,280
Hoth is S tier.

2234
01:56:58,280 --> 01:56:59,280
S tier.

2235
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:00,280
No, S tier, not hell tier.

2236
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:01,280
Is there anyone else?

2237
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:04,280
Although if you're the rebels, it is a tough battle.

2238
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:06,640
It's fun though.

2239
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:09,640
You can do the spinny thing with the speeders.

2240
01:57:09,640 --> 01:57:10,640
It's so cool.

2241
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:14,600
Me and my brother got around the walker three or four times with the spinny thing and it

2242
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:15,600
still didn't go down.

2243
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,000
You were so sad.

2244
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:21,200
I've only done it like ten times which sounds like a decent amount.

2245
01:57:21,200 --> 01:57:25,520
I would play this game every single day with my friends after school when I was a kid so

2246
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:26,840
it's not that much really.

2247
01:57:26,840 --> 01:57:31,440
Guys, the trick is you have to be the second pilot.

2248
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:36,320
The AI has to be the first pilot because then you just hit the tripwire and then it will

2249
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,400
do the circling for you and then one time it will just end up.

2250
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:41,800
It will fly straight into the head.

2251
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:42,800
AT&T.

2252
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:43,800
Because it doesn't care.

2253
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:44,800
You just call it AT&T?

2254
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:45,800
No, ATAT.

2255
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:46,800
ATAT.

2256
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:47,800
ATAT.

2257
01:57:47,800 --> 01:57:52,800
I do remember it was great fun playing Rogue Squadron 1 and 2 and you hit the tripwire

2258
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,960
straight from playing Rogue Squadron 1 and 2 and you have the obligatory Hoth level.

2259
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,480
You're like, I'm going to go around in circles.

2260
01:57:59,480 --> 01:58:00,480
It's so fun.

2261
01:58:00,480 --> 01:58:01,480
It is fun.

2262
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:02,480
This is hell.

2263
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:05,480
This surely Jabba's palace is hell.

2264
01:58:05,480 --> 01:58:06,480
It's dark.

2265
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:08,480
The freaking pig guards one shot you.

2266
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:11,480
Who the hell put the chat in my favorite?

2267
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:13,480
You fall into the rain corp.

2268
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,480
Half of your clone army falls into the rain corp.

2269
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:20,280
And then you just have to stand in the stairway where all the joys come up and kill 50 of

2270
01:58:20,280 --> 01:58:21,760
them per grenade pretty much.

2271
01:58:21,760 --> 01:58:23,800
It's terrible.

2272
01:58:23,800 --> 01:58:26,480
Who put in the chat my favorite VTuber is Vsauce?

2273
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,480
That's not a VTuber.

2274
01:58:29,480 --> 01:58:30,480
Hi there.

2275
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:31,480
Hi guys.

2276
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:32,480
Michael here.

2277
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:33,480
Technically he's Vsauce.

2278
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:34,480
He's on YouTube.

2279
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:35,480
Jabba's palace.

2280
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:42,880
Does anyone else get killed by those the tusks like the guards?

2281
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:43,880
Yeah, the Gamora.

2282
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:46,880
Yeah, they one shot you.

2283
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:51,960
If you get the hero and then you still get one shot by the guards.

2284
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:54,640
You're freaking Darth Maul going through the halls of poof.

2285
01:58:54,640 --> 01:58:57,640
We need to stream this game so bad.

2286
01:58:57,640 --> 01:59:00,640
It's taken out by a fucking pig.

2287
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,720
Also, man, I didn't know how many times I...

2288
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:05,240
Was that one bit as well?

2289
01:59:05,240 --> 01:59:09,680
There's like a square staircase part and it's just grenade hell.

2290
01:59:09,680 --> 01:59:11,440
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2291
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:13,720
You kill 50 droids per grenade on that staircase.

2292
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:15,040
What is this Call of Duty?

2293
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:19,880
Because the rest of your clone army has fallen into the rank war pit and it's just like standing

2294
01:59:19,880 --> 01:59:20,880
there.

2295
01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:22,880
Same, you can't come around.

2296
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,480
You get the true experience of holding the line.

2297
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:28,640
Kamino's S tier.

2298
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:29,640
I love this map.

2299
01:59:29,640 --> 01:59:31,360
It's so beautiful too.

2300
01:59:31,360 --> 01:59:37,200
Also to be fair, Campaign playing it as Boba Fett.

2301
01:59:37,200 --> 01:59:43,760
So you play as like the Imperials versus the clone troopers and Boba Fett is with the jet

2302
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:44,760
pack on.

2303
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:47,760
Any jet pack on that map is amazing.

2304
01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:50,720
And I maybe one time went a bit too hard on...

2305
01:59:50,720 --> 01:59:51,720
We're playing with some friends.

2306
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:56,960
I was playing with friends of friends and then I went a bit too hard on that map and

2307
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,960
they're like, all right, chill, bro.

2308
01:59:59,960 --> 02:00:02,120
I'm like, okay, sorry.

2309
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:04,640
A lot of it is just sniper spamming all the turrets.

2310
02:00:04,640 --> 02:00:08,360
The turrets are pretty annoying on it, but other than that, it is really cool.

2311
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:09,360
It really is.

2312
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:10,360
Everything here is just S tier.

2313
02:00:10,360 --> 02:00:13,600
They want to put hell at the bottom because otherwise I'm going to put it in S tier again.

2314
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:14,600
I love Flee.

2315
02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:15,600
Yeah, Flee's is doublest.

2316
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:16,600
Yeah, Sly's is good there.

2317
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:17,600
Kashyyyk is D day.

2318
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:18,600
It's definitely S tier.

2319
02:00:18,600 --> 02:00:19,600
Not S tier.

2320
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:24,600
I still have memories of me and my buddy were the last two clones out of, I don't know,

2321
02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:30,800
like 10 because you can't go down to one because then you die.

2322
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:34,000
And we were being pushed back by the droids and there was like 50 droids left and we were

2323
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,800
inside of the Wookie base.

2324
02:00:35,800 --> 02:00:39,360
And then out of nowhere, like 20 Wookiees just show up and kill all the droids for us.

2325
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:40,360
And it was the biggest win ever.

2326
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:41,360
We were like 10 years old.

2327
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:42,360
It was such a prime memory.

2328
02:00:42,360 --> 02:00:43,360
The teddy bears are coming.

2329
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:44,360
They're going to save us.

2330
02:00:44,360 --> 02:00:51,880
The campaign defense on that is, it goes so hard as well because you also have access

2331
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:56,440
like the, what's like the land speeder type thing, like the little hover.

2332
02:00:56,440 --> 02:00:58,640
I don't know what it's called, but I know what you mean.

2333
02:00:58,640 --> 02:00:59,640
Yeah.

2334
02:00:59,640 --> 02:01:00,640
That one.

2335
02:01:00,640 --> 02:01:04,960
Because you get like a sacrificial lamb up in that top turret and you can basically hold

2336
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:08,000
the line as long as you want for that.

2337
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:14,120
And then obviously when you're defending it against like the unlimited AI, the CIS invasion,

2338
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:15,760
that one is so much fun.

2339
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:19,640
If you manage to like just live towards the end because you can basically be Yoda.

2340
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:20,960
Mos Eisley is top of the best here.

2341
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:21,960
It's got the hero versus hero.

2342
02:01:21,960 --> 02:01:22,960
Yeah.

2343
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:23,960
Heroes.

2344
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:24,960
Yeah.

2345
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:25,960
It's got the toilet.

2346
02:01:25,960 --> 02:01:26,960
You'll never find them.

2347
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:27,960
What's everyone's hero choice?

2348
02:01:27,960 --> 02:01:28,960
Darth Maul of time.

2349
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:33,960
Why has no one said Chewbacca with their homing missile yet?

2350
02:01:33,960 --> 02:01:38,400
Cause no one, I never like get kills with it.

2351
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:39,400
It was so much fun.

2352
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:40,400
Cause you see it before that.

2353
02:01:40,400 --> 02:01:41,400
It's just fun to you.

2354
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:43,400
You can launch it up and it's like, where am I going?

2355
02:01:43,400 --> 02:01:45,520
It's so hard to control it as well.

2356
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:47,800
I'm not a big fan of Mos Eisley.

2357
02:01:47,800 --> 02:01:50,920
It has just instant action, like regular.

2358
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:51,920
Yeah.

2359
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:56,160
It's just the hero, the heroes versus villain mode is carrying it cause it's the only magic

2360
02:01:56,160 --> 02:01:58,640
you can play it on, but it is so fun because of that.

2361
02:01:58,640 --> 02:01:59,640
Yeah.

2362
02:01:59,640 --> 02:02:00,640
And you get to...

2363
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:09,400
You have a like Star Wars character bar fight in that bar room.

2364
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:10,400
Yeah.

2365
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:12,640
It's like this little backwater town where nothing happens.

2366
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:14,240
Like, what is all these heroes doing here?

2367
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:15,240
This doesn't make sense.

2368
02:02:15,240 --> 02:02:16,760
If you let it roll out, isn't it?

2369
02:02:16,760 --> 02:02:18,120
The heroes end up winning.

2370
02:02:18,120 --> 02:02:21,720
But yeah, I think it's like, if you're not playing as the villains, the heroes are pretty

2371
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:22,720
much guaranteed to win.

2372
02:02:22,720 --> 02:02:26,120
Does everyone else do that thing where I'm sure everyone did it, but does that look like

2373
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:33,800
it's next to the redoubt, like rounded area, like round donut in the middle.

2374
02:02:33,800 --> 02:02:37,880
And then there's that little like broken ship, like the top of the map.

2375
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:41,560
Does everyone else just go to that top position and mace wind to it?

2376
02:02:41,560 --> 02:02:43,440
Just to try and get one.

2377
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:47,080
I would do it as Boba Fett and just shoot down like an asshole.

2378
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:52,520
It's fun playing as Han Solo as well, just cause like all this Jedi around you're like,

2379
02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:53,520
Jesus my God.

2380
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:56,320
Yeah, that's why mine's coming.

2381
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:58,360
Mustafar is pretty cool.

2382
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:00,320
It's not my favorite way.

2383
02:03:00,320 --> 02:03:01,880
I give it A or B.

2384
02:03:01,880 --> 02:03:02,880
It's better than Geonosis.

2385
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:03,880
I like it more than Geonosis.

2386
02:03:03,880 --> 02:03:09,240
Yeah, playing it in instant action is not actually that fun, but doing the campaign

2387
02:03:09,240 --> 02:03:13,440
of that though, was like, you know, the actual like the push in to fight.

2388
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:16,800
That one was actually quite a lot of fun.

2389
02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:20,800
I will give Geonosis some credit because it's one of the only maps that is like challenging

2390
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:21,800
to win on.

2391
02:03:21,800 --> 02:03:26,120
Cause definitely, cause playing Star Wars Battlefront as an adult, it is definitely

2392
02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:31,800
way too easy if you're on the slightly winning side, right?

2393
02:03:31,800 --> 02:03:35,960
Or even on the other side, but Geonosis you can actually lose on cause there's no cover

2394
02:03:35,960 --> 02:03:36,960
at all, ever.

2395
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:38,960
He will not let this point die.

2396
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:43,600
You have to go across that like massive open bridge at one point.

2397
02:03:43,600 --> 02:03:49,160
Or you can just spawn on the big vehicle, the AT-whatever and just get in there and

2398
02:03:49,160 --> 02:03:50,680
just upshuttle.

2399
02:03:50,680 --> 02:03:54,400
I know like a fair bit of Star Wars, what the hell is a Megito?

2400
02:03:54,400 --> 02:03:57,200
That's the planet where Forehead Man gets obliterated on.

2401
02:03:57,200 --> 02:03:58,680
That's your first campaign mission.

2402
02:03:58,680 --> 02:03:59,680
Yeah, first campaign mission.

2403
02:03:59,680 --> 02:04:00,680
Which is a fun mission.

2404
02:04:00,680 --> 02:04:03,680
To teach you how to play the game.

2405
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:04,680
Megito?

2406
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:05,680
I like the map.

2407
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:06,680
Like Mojito.

2408
02:04:06,680 --> 02:04:07,680
It's a nice map, but honestly I don't play that much.

2409
02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:09,400
It's also where Delta Squad robs a bank.

2410
02:04:09,400 --> 02:04:12,040
It also has the bridge.

2411
02:04:12,040 --> 02:04:14,280
The bridge is a really fun place to be fighting.

2412
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:17,000
Oh, the place, oh, that's where you get shot down.

2413
02:04:17,000 --> 02:04:18,000
I see.

2414
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:21,200
I don't play it that much to be fair about map, just because it doesn't come up as much

2415
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:24,200
in instant action or anything like that.

2416
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:25,920
It's cool as an opener though.

2417
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:26,920
No boo boo.

2418
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:29,160
I can hear the guys voicing every time.

2419
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:31,280
I'm gonna, this is gonna be my only D tier.

2420
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:33,280
I'm not a fan of boo boo.

2421
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:34,920
Yeah, because you know what it does?

2422
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:38,200
It's basically just, it's just two corridor map and you basically have to meet it.

2423
02:04:38,200 --> 02:04:40,000
It's like, it's just a square.

2424
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:43,280
The thing, like it's a corridor, but there's also so many different corners that when it's

2425
02:04:43,280 --> 02:04:48,040
down to the last few enemies, you're hunting the entire map looking for the one battle

2426
02:04:48,040 --> 02:04:53,000
droid with AIs bugging out and he's sitting in a corner capturing a command post he already

2427
02:04:53,000 --> 02:04:54,000
holds.

2428
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:56,240
I'll put it above Dagobah though, because there's that mission where you have to assassinate

2429
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:59,560
the new queen of Naboo and she's guarded by Jedi.

2430
02:04:59,560 --> 02:05:00,560
Yeah, that's a pretty cool one.

2431
02:05:00,560 --> 02:05:01,560
I do like that.

2432
02:05:01,560 --> 02:05:02,560
Yeah.

2433
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:03,560
Crimson Goy for $5.

2434
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:04,560
Thank you.

2435
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:05,560
Thank you, Crimson Goy.

2436
02:05:05,560 --> 02:05:06,560
Thank you.

2437
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:07,560
He says Geonosis is Starship troopers in Star Wars.

2438
02:05:07,560 --> 02:05:09,040
It's very true.

2439
02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:12,880
Oh, police, Massa, this is the asteroid one.

2440
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:13,880
I really like this one.

2441
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:14,880
Police, Massa.

2442
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:15,880
What?

2443
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:20,560
But if you're playing against your friends and if you don't get to that one choke point

2444
02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:22,480
first, you're just doomed.

2445
02:05:22,480 --> 02:05:25,120
Or if you can back cap it as well.

2446
02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:26,600
You go outside and suffocate.

2447
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,160
I was not a fan of that.

2448
02:05:28,160 --> 02:05:29,160
Unless you're a droid, isn't it?

2449
02:05:29,160 --> 02:05:30,160
Droids don't suffocate.

2450
02:05:30,160 --> 02:05:31,160
I think they do too.

2451
02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:32,160
No, you're right.

2452
02:05:32,160 --> 02:05:33,160
I don't remember.

2453
02:05:33,160 --> 02:05:34,160
I think the humans do.

2454
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:39,160
I don't know, because something doesn't suffocate.

2455
02:05:39,160 --> 02:05:43,440
Or the droids just take tick damage.

2456
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:45,000
You wouldn't think droids have lungs.

2457
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,440
They all just take tick damage, I think.

2458
02:05:48,440 --> 02:05:50,560
Oh, apparently the droids can survive.

2459
02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:53,760
I guess I should never play as droids on this map.

2460
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:54,760
My memory.

2461
02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:55,760
This is a fun map.

2462
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:57,920
And I really like how it looks.

2463
02:05:57,920 --> 02:05:59,920
I put it in A to your personal...

2464
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:00,920
That one's quite...

2465
02:06:00,920 --> 02:06:03,000
Because there are avenues to flank on that one.

2466
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:04,280
And there's also...

2467
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:07,600
You can literally grab a vehicle in your home base.

2468
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:10,840
So instead of spawning up front, you can spawn at your back.

2469
02:06:10,840 --> 02:06:17,640
And then you can go outside in space on the asteroid and then go back cap the enemy spot.

2470
02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:20,560
Also one of the command posts is on top of the table.

2471
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:23,040
Padmate gave birth and then died on, which is funny.

2472
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:26,040
It's a bit weird, isn't it?

2473
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:27,040
It's wet!

2474
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:28,040
Anyway.

2475
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:29,040
Talk to Fjord.

2476
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:30,040
Come on.

2477
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:31,040
This one is so...

2478
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:32,040
It's just too iconic.

2479
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:33,040
It is cool.

2480
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:34,040
This is the last one.

2481
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:35,040
Imagine if you were a droid.

2482
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:39,320
Imagine if every Hollow was Grenade Hollow.

2483
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:43,560
Unfortunately, you had to play as Princess Leia as the Imperial one.

2484
02:06:43,560 --> 02:06:49,280
But it's just so much fun that one as well, because you noticeably die more times on that

2485
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:50,280
map than any other.

2486
02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:51,280
But then if you...

2487
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:54,280
If you turn a cord, you get jumped.

2488
02:06:54,280 --> 02:06:58,560
But if you're playing as Darth Vader on that map, it hits different, doesn't it?

2489
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:02,080
You just slow walk it and then immediately die to grenades.

2490
02:07:02,080 --> 02:07:05,320
Is that Crimson Glory?

2491
02:07:05,320 --> 02:07:07,160
No, that's not it.

2492
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,360
Also, what's this disrespect to Princess Leia?

2493
02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:10,360
Princess Leia is awesome.

2494
02:07:10,360 --> 02:07:11,640
No, but as a character.

2495
02:07:11,640 --> 02:07:12,640
In the game, yeah.

2496
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:17,920
She's not a force user in the game, so it's like, well, I'm at a disadvantage.

2497
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:20,760
Not a force user in No Jet Pack, so...

2498
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:22,800
It's not quite force unleashed to DLC.

2499
02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,440
I met Carrie Fisher as well.

2500
02:07:24,440 --> 02:07:25,440
Nice lady.

2501
02:07:25,440 --> 02:07:26,440
Mad dog Barry.

2502
02:07:26,440 --> 02:07:28,440
Star killer could body a chaos god.

2503
02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:29,440
Uthapa.

2504
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:30,440
I love this one.

2505
02:07:30,440 --> 02:07:34,760
I'm not as a big fan of this map.

2506
02:07:34,760 --> 02:07:38,880
I like the campaign mission, but as in playing instant action on it, because whoever's up

2507
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:41,880
top had that overarching fight in front of Scorch.

2508
02:07:41,880 --> 02:07:44,000
I was going to get rid of DT, because it's not doing anything.

2509
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:45,000
Although you do get...

2510
02:07:45,000 --> 02:07:48,000
For a defender, you get your vehicles, at least.

2511
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,440
Yeah, and fighting on that slanted part on the offside.

2512
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:52,840
Oh, you have to make your way down it as well.

2513
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:54,920
Or fighting in the hangar is really cool.

2514
02:07:54,920 --> 02:07:57,120
I like Uthapa a lot.

2515
02:07:57,120 --> 02:07:59,120
I think ATR is fine.

2516
02:07:59,120 --> 02:08:00,120
Yeah.

2517
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:01,120
Yavin 4.

2518
02:08:01,120 --> 02:08:02,120
That's decent.

2519
02:08:02,120 --> 02:08:03,120
That's cool.

2520
02:08:03,120 --> 02:08:05,120
I've not had as much fun with this one.

2521
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:06,120
Yeah.

2522
02:08:06,120 --> 02:08:09,480
Sometimes you go on the ruins thing, and then it's just a dead end, and there's nothing

2523
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:13,000
at the end, and you just jump off and die.

2524
02:08:13,000 --> 02:08:16,640
Every time I play Yavin 4, I get into those big tower turrets, and I think, I'm going

2525
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:17,640
to have fun.

2526
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:18,640
These are going to be useful.

2527
02:08:18,640 --> 02:08:19,640
No, they never are.

2528
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:25,400
I don't want to put Yavin 4 in C tier, because of this one simple fact, which is when you're

2529
02:08:25,400 --> 02:08:27,200
the rebels, and you get...

2530
02:08:27,200 --> 02:08:29,060
I think it's rebels as well, or is it the Imperials?

2531
02:08:29,060 --> 02:08:33,200
You get the speeder, the little speeder bike.

2532
02:08:33,200 --> 02:08:37,000
But because the map is so poorly designed for the speeder bike, you basically run full

2533
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:41,080
power, and you'll never be hit like a staircase, a tree, or something like that.

2534
02:08:41,080 --> 02:08:44,800
So you can't fully use the best part of that map.

2535
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:45,800
It's like Endorf.

2536
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:48,160
It was actually how those bikes would work.

2537
02:08:48,160 --> 02:08:49,160
Yeah.

2538
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:51,280
So that's the only reason it actually upsets me.

2539
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:54,760
Also, there's small towers.

2540
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:56,800
You enter it, and it's a light post.

2541
02:08:56,800 --> 02:09:00,160
It's like a lamp post, essentially.

2542
02:09:00,160 --> 02:09:05,960
And if you play it, inevitably, the last person you're trying to find is stuck in that tower,

2543
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:10,520
and the rest of your team is running around like a headless chicken.

2544
02:09:10,520 --> 02:09:13,320
I'm just saying, Felucia is the best map in the game.

2545
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:14,320
I can't.

2546
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:17,040
It's hell, but it's fun hell.

2547
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:19,000
I honestly, I had more fun with Hawk.

2548
02:09:19,000 --> 02:09:24,120
Look, if your cortisol levels are low, you don't have enough stress hormones in your

2549
02:09:24,120 --> 02:09:25,600
life, just play Felucia.

2550
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:27,280
Yeah.

2551
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:31,120
We have to stream at least once, guys.

2552
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:36,680
We've got to do a 3v1 on Hawth, and the one person is in the AT-AT.

2553
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:42,160
Don't forget there's also the Wampa hunt mode.

2554
02:09:42,160 --> 02:09:44,520
Oh my gosh.

2555
02:09:44,520 --> 02:09:45,520
That is hell tier.

2556
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:46,520
Bro.

2557
02:09:46,520 --> 02:09:49,520
Are you telling me you didn't win as the Wampa?

2558
02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:52,520
Yeah, of course I won as the Wampa.

2559
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:55,760
I have like 500 health in one shot, everybody.

2560
02:09:55,760 --> 02:09:56,760
It's ridiculous.

2561
02:09:56,760 --> 02:09:59,080
The only way to do it is actually use the turrets, isn't it?

2562
02:09:59,080 --> 02:10:01,720
You have to use the turrets.

2563
02:10:01,720 --> 02:10:07,360
I discovered there was like Xbox exclusive thing recently that they updated it with.

2564
02:10:07,360 --> 02:10:09,760
You can get Ki-Adi Mundi and Assajj Ventress.

2565
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:10,760
Oh yeah.

2566
02:10:10,760 --> 02:10:17,080
And then they added another hell tier map where you just get lost in time for 20 minutes.

2567
02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:18,080
God.

2568
02:10:18,080 --> 02:10:19,080
I found this out.

2569
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:21,080
I miss that game so much.

2570
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:25,000
How many times have you guys done the campaign?

2571
02:10:25,000 --> 02:10:26,000
I don't.

2572
02:10:26,000 --> 02:10:30,800
I must have done it like only a couple years ago.

2573
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:34,080
I had like another go at it because it's not that long, really.

2574
02:10:34,080 --> 02:10:39,640
It adds the maps.

2575
02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:40,640
Let's see.

2576
02:10:40,640 --> 02:10:46,960
Javan 4 Arena, Bespin Cloud City, which was in the first Battlefront one.

2577
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:49,360
I remember it was a lot of fun.

2578
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,600
Renvar Harbor and Renvar Citadel.

2579
02:10:51,600 --> 02:10:54,320
I'm drawing a blank on what Renvar is.

2580
02:10:54,320 --> 02:10:58,120
I think the Citadel one is the one where you just are in ice tunnels for most of it.

2581
02:10:58,120 --> 02:10:59,120
Oh God.

2582
02:10:59,120 --> 02:11:00,120
Renvar was from...

2583
02:11:00,120 --> 02:11:01,120
Oh my God, man.

2584
02:11:01,120 --> 02:11:02,120
I didn't want to think about this place.

2585
02:11:02,120 --> 02:11:03,120
I think that's what you're talking about.

2586
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:04,120
God.

2587
02:11:04,120 --> 02:11:05,120
I do miss that game though.

2588
02:11:05,120 --> 02:11:06,120
It's so good, dude.

2589
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:07,120
One of the best games I ever made for sure.

2590
02:11:07,120 --> 02:11:08,120
It would be nice to stream.

2591
02:11:08,120 --> 02:11:09,120
We have to figure out how to host our own server though.

2592
02:11:09,120 --> 02:11:10,120
That's the biggest issue.

2593
02:11:10,120 --> 02:11:11,120
Because then we can get...

2594
02:11:11,120 --> 02:11:12,120
If people want to join us, they can join us.

2595
02:11:12,120 --> 02:11:13,120
Yeah.

2596
02:11:13,120 --> 02:11:23,160
I'd love to play it at some point, but I only played the first one.

2597
02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:24,160
I love the first one.

2598
02:11:24,160 --> 02:11:27,160
Any PC could play this game, by the way.

2599
02:11:27,160 --> 02:11:28,160
Yeah.

2600
02:11:28,160 --> 02:11:29,160
Cool.

2601
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:32,600
Any PC could play that game though.

2602
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:36,000
If your computer can turn on, you can play Battlefront 2.

2603
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:37,000
Cool.

2604
02:11:37,000 --> 02:11:38,000
Good to know.

2605
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:41,640
I would say Death Star is still my favorite.

2606
02:11:41,640 --> 02:11:45,080
Just through... it's not the best map, but in terms of experience I've had in there.

2607
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:48,240
I'm on the opposite spectrum of Eli.

2608
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:51,240
I love the maps that are just unfortunate.

2609
02:11:51,240 --> 02:11:52,240
I'm having a miserable...

2610
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:56,480
Just stand at the end of that corridor and just throw lights at it continuously.

2611
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:57,480
It does make sense.

2612
02:11:57,480 --> 02:11:59,960
Colin loves Murat Afi and he loves a bit of cock and ball torture.

2613
02:11:59,960 --> 02:12:00,960
It is what it is.

2614
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:01,960
That's probably my favorite map actually.

2615
02:12:01,960 --> 02:12:02,960
I really like Curzon.

2616
02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:03,960
Dude, I...

2617
02:12:03,960 --> 02:12:04,960
I've really struggled with it.

2618
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:05,960
I love the death hall ways.

2619
02:12:05,960 --> 02:12:14,160
When you're playing the Anakin on that one, I really struggled with...

2620
02:12:14,160 --> 02:12:16,400
What's the clone trooper who has the purple...

2621
02:12:16,400 --> 02:12:18,400
The band guy?

2622
02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:20,560
Oh, he's got the hood...

2623
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:21,560
Yeah.

2624
02:12:21,560 --> 02:12:24,560
He has the auto-cannon as well.

2625
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:29,680
Those ones are so annoying because if you're jumping as a Jedi, they track you.

2626
02:12:29,680 --> 02:12:30,680
So I just...

2627
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:31,680
I hate those.

2628
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:32,680
Skill issue.

2629
02:12:32,680 --> 02:12:33,680
It was at the time.

2630
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:34,680
It was.

2631
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:40,680
It has a death hallway, it has a small room, and it has a big opening place with cover.

2632
02:12:40,680 --> 02:12:41,680
So it's kind of nice.

2633
02:12:41,680 --> 02:12:42,680
We should cover it.

2634
02:12:42,680 --> 02:12:43,680
He loves his cover.

2635
02:12:43,680 --> 02:12:44,680
Gears of War.

2636
02:12:44,680 --> 02:12:45,680
Hopefully Gears of War.

2637
02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:50,680
We're dying in a field like a real one.

2638
02:12:50,680 --> 02:12:55,740
I think that, unless anyone else wants to add anything, that might...

2639
02:12:55,740 --> 02:12:57,320
We managed to cover some...

2640
02:12:57,320 --> 02:12:59,000
A lot, Tfair, on this too.

2641
02:12:59,000 --> 02:13:00,000
Yeah, yeah.

2642
02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:04,640
I believe my final statement is I wish EA didn't kill the new battlefront.

2643
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:07,120
2 after they finally made it good.

2644
02:13:07,120 --> 02:13:09,880
They finally made it good and then they shot it.

2645
02:13:09,880 --> 02:13:14,120
Would it really be so difficult for them to remaster battlefront 1 and 2 with nice graphics

2646
02:13:14,120 --> 02:13:15,720
and not touch the gameplay?

2647
02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:16,720
Probably not.

2648
02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:17,720
People would buy drones.

2649
02:13:17,720 --> 02:13:18,720
All they had to do was make the same game too.

2650
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:19,720
And then we would...

2651
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:23,760
Yeah, literally just copy paste the code and just touch up the models and make them look

2652
02:13:23,760 --> 02:13:24,760
nice.

2653
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:27,440
It's like, yeah, people would buy it a million times.

2654
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:29,240
But they want microtransactions.

2655
02:13:29,240 --> 02:13:33,240
Finally, yeah, folks love both battlefront 2s and then they just refuse to do that the

2656
02:13:33,240 --> 02:13:36,200
first time where they're just like, here's the same thing but it looks nicer.

2657
02:13:36,200 --> 02:13:39,440
And then they killed the second one after they made it good.

2658
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:40,440
Yeah.

2659
02:13:40,440 --> 02:13:42,440
Shout out to the mod community though.

2660
02:13:42,440 --> 02:13:43,440
Yeah.

2661
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:44,440
That made me so fucking angry.

2662
02:13:44,440 --> 02:13:46,440
They had Republic Commandos to be...

2663
02:13:46,440 --> 02:13:51,960
Could you imagine a 40k style battlefront game or battlefield?

2664
02:13:51,960 --> 02:13:52,960
Rip Eternal for Sade.

2665
02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:57,000
And you could have heroes like Gilliman and Vulcan.

2666
02:13:57,000 --> 02:14:01,680
Talk to people about it before and it would be very fun, but you could not have every

2667
02:14:01,680 --> 02:14:05,840
faction or if you did, it'd have to be in a little bit capacity.

2668
02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:08,680
I think the best way would be like Tau versus Guard.

2669
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:09,680
That'd be a lot of fun.

2670
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:12,680
Or even have a 40k Horus Heresy inspired one.

2671
02:14:12,680 --> 02:14:17,200
You could have Traitor Primarchs, you could have Loyalist Primarchs, you could have Mechanicus

2672
02:14:17,200 --> 02:14:18,320
faction stuff.

2673
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:22,640
You could just have the human stuff and then it wouldn't be too much, I feel like.

2674
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:27,880
Even with that though, the dude playing as a guardsman versus the dude playing as a space

2675
02:14:27,880 --> 02:14:28,880
marine.

2676
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:34,720
Well, that's the thing, I assume it'd be like Titanfall had pilots and then it had NPC soldiers.

2677
02:14:34,720 --> 02:14:38,760
I feel like the guardsman would just be AI and you'd play as space marines and then that

2678
02:14:38,760 --> 02:14:39,760
would probably...

2679
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:40,760
That'd be cool.

2680
02:14:40,760 --> 02:14:41,760
That'd be cool.

2681
02:14:41,760 --> 02:14:42,760
Space Marine 2 would be so nice.

2682
02:14:42,760 --> 02:14:47,400
Something else, part of battlefield though is you're a grunt just in this giant, massive

2683
02:14:47,400 --> 02:14:48,400
battle.

2684
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:49,400
True.

2685
02:14:49,400 --> 02:14:51,840
Or yeah, it's literally instead of Primarchs jumping in, it's just like, oh my god, Kato

2686
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:52,840
Zekaria, I've heard of him.

2687
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:54,440
Oh, I want to get his autograph.

2688
02:14:54,440 --> 02:14:55,440
Crunk.

2689
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:59,440
And then you battle the second battlefront 2 or the first one and eventually you can

2690
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:01,680
be a space marine or a special character.

2691
02:15:01,680 --> 02:15:04,080
Imagine a Fall of Cadia map.

2692
02:15:04,080 --> 02:15:06,080
That'd be fun.

2693
02:15:06,080 --> 02:15:09,680
Before we finish, I just want to get it in.

2694
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:13,840
One of the tier list we need to do is Republic Commandos level tier list.

2695
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:15,840
Oh, the rest tier.

2696
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:18,840
I've got to refresh my mind on it.

2697
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:23,920
Because if anyone has played Republic Commandos...

2698
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:25,760
I got on release.

2699
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:28,080
I played it when it came out.

2700
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:30,080
That's how old I feel.

2701
02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:31,080
Yeah, I remember.

2702
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:33,600
That game is core memory.

2703
02:15:33,600 --> 02:15:34,600
Core memory right there.

2704
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:40,360
With that being said though, that was the tragedies of the Warhammer 40k universe, but

2705
02:15:40,360 --> 02:15:45,400
I think maybe we might do a fantasy one here just because there's a lot.

2706
02:15:45,400 --> 02:15:47,160
We've got some grief in...

2707
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:48,600
We've got some therapy to get through.

2708
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:50,600
So we'll go over that.

2709
02:15:50,600 --> 02:15:51,600
DJ Beast, yes.

2710
02:15:51,600 --> 02:15:55,960
ERB, is it ERB?

2711
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:58,560
I'm on lore crimes and I can't even get the tier list.

2712
02:15:58,560 --> 02:16:01,560
You guys think you're going to get the tier list you want?

2713
02:16:01,560 --> 02:16:02,560
Oh dear.

2714
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:10,840
With that being said though, that might be it for today's episode.

2715
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:16,240
Thank you guys so much for watching and listening and we'll catch you guys next week.

2716
02:16:16,240 --> 02:16:17,240
Hopefully.

2717
02:16:17,240 --> 02:16:20,200
We'll let you know we're cooking up.

2718
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:22,800
We've got something good.

2719
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:23,800
Math.

2720
02:16:23,800 --> 02:16:24,800
Alright, see you.

2721
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:25,800
Bye everyone.

2722
02:16:25,800 --> 02:16:48,000
Bye everyone.