I think we are live though boys.
Did I say I did?
DJ Beats says I love when thank all said it's thank all time and thank all over them.
Thank all all over the setting.
We appreciate that.
Oh, I think we're live.
Yes.
Yeah, it's working.
Okay.
Oh no.
Yeah, we're live because it just went live and it's echoing in my voice or my ear.
Should we call it?
Do you want to give a quick introduction to what we're kind of starting with a tear?
Oh, first of all, welcome everybody.
Tear Lists, another one.
We are Law Crimes.
Just a little funny goof here.
We were talking about some Warhammer Tear Lists.
A few non-Warhammer ones, but this is pretty much going to be unadulterated, crappy, absolutely
sloppy opinions.
Garbage.
It's a garbage take from Warhammer.
Law Creators, a lot of us here.
It's obviously me, Hal, Andy, Colin and Eli.
So we're going to have a little chat through.
Colin, what are we starting off?
What glorious topic have we chosen to start this one off with?
It's something simple.
I grabbed some highlights, Skaven characters, and we're just going to rank them.
You can probably get, you know, you can see one of them pretty obviously gets his own
tear.
Nice and chunky.
That's a, we may have been a bit biased already beginning with it.
It's not biased because he deserves it.
He does.
He deserves one win in the history of his existence.
He gets a win, kind of.
I will say before we start, I don't really know many of the characters, so I'm just going
to be here going, Fanquel's cool.
Listen, DJ Beast, we're not doing an egg tier list, okay?
Could happen.
More likely than any of the rap battles.
I know, like, he deserves his own tier.
We've got one right here.
He's right here.
Shall we just put Fanquel in his own tier?
Well, maybe Colin, could you explain why Fanquel deserves?
Yes, it needs to be justified.
He keeps showing up in Godric and Felix and he's a funny, he's a silly little clown.
Every time you read about him, it's just wonderful.
Some of his quotes include such bangers as mentioning the Skaven pastime of shooting
the messenger, when something went wrong.
What's the phrase where it's like there's more than one way to do something?
Skinner, skinner.
Yeah, well, his was skin and infant.
There's more than one way to skin and infant, which is, man, what a banger of a line if
I say so myself.
Jesus Christ.
He's funny.
I think I've heard people say Godric and Felix is like Caiaphas Cain for fantasy.
No, Fanquel is Caiaphas Cain for fantasy because he keeps accidenting his way into becoming
more and more powerful.
He's actually quite the strong wizard, especially on tabletop.
He will wreck your day if you let him.
Do we have a repeat, by the way?
Let's do this chat.
See, this guy on the second-to-last-
I think we do have a repeat of Throt.
Okay.
That Throt, the clean one.
Yeah, that made a bit of a goof.
So which was Fanquel?
The first one.
Do you know what it reminds me of?
He's just fun.
Has anyone seen the model of someone doing the great clean one and they just like fixed
up?
I have.
It just looks like a fat naked tube.
Know what it weirdly reminds me of?
Those bald cats that are just like-
Scared.
Yeah, it was scared.
Really fat ones.
Oh my gosh.
Fanquel is in his own tier, by the way, because he is the persona for- is he- was he in Age
of Sigmar now?
He's like a-
That's his Age of Sigmar model.
I think they call him the Great Lord.
Is that the prophet of the Great Horned Rat or something?
He's like chosen.
I think he's just like the Great Lord and they just know him as this ancient beyond
all reckoning figure.
But that doesn't stop him from just colossally messing up still.
Like in AOS, the Skaven once again did the funny and ruined Nagash's plans.
Fanquel, meanwhile, for his part in that operation, accidentally flooded all of Skavenblight.
Because it was a sea in the realm of death that he tunneled into by mistake, the water
was full of zombies that then attacked Skavenblight.
As he did.
Surely it was not his fault.
It was his underling's fault.
No, it was incompetent underling sabotage.
It was never Fanquel's fault.
No, Fanquel has never done anything wrong.
Other-
Go ahead.
No, go ahead, go ahead.
Other banging highlights include accidentally summoning Scarbrand and then just kind of
walking away from the entire affair.
What's his mount called?
Bone Ripper.
How many Bone Rippers has there been?
I don't think there's ever been confirmed, but I assume that every time he's deployed
in tabletop and dies, it's just the Bone Ripper that dies and he just runs away.
So I'd like to think around Bone Ripper like 10 million or something by this point.
He has had Gottrick and Felix dead to rights so many times.
He's had them dead to rights one time and then he fucked it up.
No, no.
Every time he's so close.
And then treacherous underlings.
And then the one time he had them, they didn't know his name and he had a bit of an existential
crisis over it.
Oh my god.
Yeah, I read, is it Elf Spain or-
Elfslayer, yeah.
Elfslayer, that's one.
That was just a good book.
I remember that he has them locked up in the submarine and he's like, you, Gottrick and
Felix, you've been thwarting my plans for two decades and you've battled me at every
turn and they go, who are you?
And he has an actual full on breakdown where he's almost faint and he goes, oh my god,
it's been an accident the entire time.
They've not even tried to get him.
What is the next one though, Colin?
The next Skaven, that's Thraught the Unclean.
Right.
He seems okay.
Is he a clan, which clan is he again?
Clan Molder.
He's in Warhammer.
Monster Mash.
He's the clan Molder.
They're the monster guys.
He's very hungry because he ripped out his eye and put Warpstone in it, in the socket.
And that ex, what's, I'm trying to, I don't know the word for like super, the fancy word
for massively increased, but it did that to his hunger.
Skaven are already pretty hungry.
So pretty much whenever he's not eating, he's mad with hunger.
He's also like Fabius Bile, levels of mad scientist.
Oh God.
As a Skaven.
He made the Hellpit Abomination, which is just a fun creature to look at.
It looks like it's just living causes of pain.
The Skaven like to throw it at things that bother them like blobs of infantry.
Is he in the DLC versus the Twilight DLC?
Yeah, that's him.
So he fights wood elves.
I don't know if that makes it better for Andy because it's like El Slander.
He basically-
Oh, you can go up a space.
Yeah, you can go up a space.
He's a scientist.
He murders a lot of elves.
He gets ATF for the Hellpit Abomination for sure.
Yeah I'd say that.
He also, he made the next Skaven character on the list.
So that's Gorrich.
That's Gorrich.
His lore, he was a Norscan Berserker or like a Chaos Lord, except he screwed up real big
time and Archeon gave him the Clan Molder to just have fun with is basically what he
said.
He's like, just go nuts.
And so Throt took his brain, put it in the body of a red ogre and then gave it all sorts
of augmentations to the point that he looks like he wandered out of 40k and got lost.
And it goes hard, the model I can see.
And now he keeps overshining, like overshadowing Throt to an extent, because he's just really
good at murder.
Like he's a blender.
Maybe that's just above him in A tier then at least.
It sounds really like cool.
I will say that.
He's a creation above him.
He's still got all his like intelligence, but he's stuck in a rat ogre and the Norscans
won't take him back.
So he just kind of accepts, I need to live among the rats now.
He's not happy with it.
Actually, thinking back on it, though, Throt probably coming up with the goofy idea of
like, let's just sew more heads onto it as like the velvet abomination.
Maybe that's slightly cooler.
The Night Lord's theory is just like, oh, I'll just stitch this on here.
You know what it needs?
It needs an odd number of arms and an odd number of heads.
Or like an even number of heads.
A lovely green mouth.
Though he has got Bane kind of, he reminds me of Bane from Batman with all those tubes
sticking in him.
I was born in the dark.
Tom Hardy is a very different role coming up, clearly in the Warhammer productions.
The next one, I believe, is this a vermin lord?
It is.
Happy late Thanksgiving, by the way, all of our American audience members.
Happy America, bros.
Someone said, someone's a bully me into making a understanding.
You know what?
It's not as far off as you think, just because I am watching like to see it be, obviously,
when the old world releases in February, right?
I believe that's what the date is.
I think we're all kind of just watching it to see how well it launches, like back into
sort of relevancy, because thank you for Total War for actually, I guess, making that happen.
But not, I mean, CA, as a time recording, CA are having a tough time.
They're doing something.
Something's goofy going on.
It never happens.
So hopefully we'll have to see how well it comes back into sort of relevancy.
Now the vermin lord, is this the vermin lord, I think?
Is this all vermin lords?
Or are we going to say this is the one?
It's the only named one.
Well, the only named one that's like unique and has a model.
Screech vermin king.
I don't know anything about him.
I think he slotted him.
He does fight Volton.
Who is Sigmar reincarnated.
So technically he, this is Sigmar slander.
Is he end times lore?
He is end time.
You can even see kind of in the top right of that image, just says Warhammer.
I knew he was an end times model.
That's going to bring down a couple points.
He is, I mean, I believe he ends up getting Volton killed.
Does he cut his head off?
Yeah, I think he kills steals it from Archeon.
I mean, very fitting.
I mean, end times a few pegs.
Yeah.
I think the model is cool though.
The model is cool.
The model is beautiful.
But aside from that, he sure is a skaven.
Like that's all he's got.
BT is a great place for him.
Yeah.
He's not as much like cunning slash backstabbing.
It's more like just big beast.
You know, scary on the table.
The next one though, immediate estic, I know who this boy is.
This guy here, do you want to explain who Skrulk is for our blessed viewers?
He's gross.
He's disgusting.
Looking at him is unpleasant.
Speeing around him can cause you to melt into his puddle of soup.
He sucks.
I don't like him.
He says suck.
He's actually quite like, especially in terms of war, he's like good though.
I like the seats here.
I'm going to be honest, a lot of why I don't like him is because his name sounds like it
sounds like you're Skrulk, like your balls.
Like dude, he hit me in the Skrulk.
Oh, thank you.
Bok, Bok in the chat, people.
Thank you for Bok.
We almost forgot about that.
I've never been a pestilence guy either.
Plague monks are pretty bad on the tabletop.
Total War seems to think they're good with their stats and then I deploy them and they
just kind of melt the moment I stop looking at them.
Probably collects warhammer, someone says.
I think the best I can give him is maybe move him up to the bottom of B tier and that's
only because he managed to kill Krokgar's dinosaur mount.
Oh no, put him back in C tier, never mind.
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that gives them a little bit of oomph behind him.
He killed Grimlock, he killed one of the DinoBots.
I think NeonLFGraves asks, he says Colin, have you finished the Realm Slayer audio drama
and what did you think about the final fight?
I haven't yet, but I know who was facing off against who in it.
Obviously Godric's in it, spoiler, it's Thankel again.
I haven't finished it yet, so I need to get on that.
I picked up the Warlord of Eight Peaks omnibus, which is Skarsnik, Belagar and Kweek Breadmaker.
Breadmaker is not his real thing.
We are talking about Godric and Felix soon though, so be ready people for catching that
one.
Indeed.
Next one, I don't know if I recognize that one.
So I wanted to get a couple Skaven characters that weren't just the legendary lords from
Total War and Thankel, so I had to do some digging.
I also had to really get creative because some of these guys didn't have images and
I think one of them used the same picture of the same Stormvermin between two of them.
So that guy is Nodwell, he's Kweek's trainer, I guess, is Master.
Let's go with Master.
He's one of the only Skaven to appreciate another Skaven, that being Kweek.
We trained him to be a little murder machine.
When I searched up images of him, that was the best I could get.
Is this the guy who Kweek thinks is weird because he's loyal, which is a trait Skaven
don't have?
No, that's that black and white picture of a Stormvermin next to the tank.
Okay, we'll save it for that.
Nodwell, I mean, he's relatively kind by Skaven standards in that he didn't just throw Kweek
at something that would kill him.
Or eat him.
Or eat him, that's already huge by Skaven society standards.
I don't know, I give him B tier, I don't know too much about him.
He gave us Kweek head taker, so he can't be in C tier.
Doesn't he die in Kweek's lore?
I think someone said, but what about Skabus?
Skabus from Harry Potter?
Not Skabus from Harry Potter, Skabicus.
I don't know who Skabus from Harry Potter is.
He's the rat.
He's like the...
I'm not Ron's rat.
I've not watched Harry Potter.
Ron Weasley's rat, who's actually like a 48 year old man.
And I'm not even joking.
I've only watched the first one.
I did read all the books when I was a kid, but I've only seen the first one.
Oh, Skabus.
Yeah, Skabus is the rat.
And it's Prisoner of Azkaban, you know, like he turns into a dude.
No, he was a dude the entire time, he didn't turn into a dude.
I thought that was...
What's his face?
Sirius?
Peter Pettigrew.
No, Sirius Black is the werewolf guy, I think.
He's the wolf.
And then Professor Lupin's the werewolf.
This is enough.
Not Harry Potter.
I'm not into Harry Potter anymore.
I'm no longer 14.
I was just staring into the distance while you guys were talking for the last few minutes.
Is this like Tretch?
That is Tretch.
Name is Tretch Craven Tale.
Tretch isn't treacherous.
Craven isn't coward.
Big fan of this guy.
He's real lucky, right?
A-tier.
Yeah, his lore is that he keeps like kind of lucking his way to success.
Like every time he would go on a mission, every Skaven but him would get killed.
Partly because, you know, maybe he sped that along a little bit.
He might have had something to do with it, but sometimes he'd just get lucky.
Unfortunately, in Total War, he's kind of ass.
In fact, he's mega ass.
The new sequel to Megamind.
He gets bonuses when you break a treaty, which is good for the two seconds that, you know,
you do it and then no one wants to ever make a treaty with you again.
In combat, he gets bonuses when he's losing, which puts him in this really fun cycle of
getting his ass kicked, getting bonuses to handle that.
And then he starts winning.
So the bonuses go away.
That's truly a-tier.
That's proper Skaven.
It's very fitting to being a Skaven with that.
He also starts with the Doom Wheel in his army.
So, you know, that's something.
He may suck, but he gets that, which early game will stop anything.
We have five dollars from Stephen Cooper.
Like this Harry Potter talk, I hear the Inquisition coming.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, Stephen.
I'll report my local Harry Potter enthusiast to the Inquisition.
I just want to one Saika into the Harry Potter universe and see what happens.
How many deaths?
It's Harry Potter, but Nurgle exists.
Did Tresh get reworked, says this guy.
Did Tresh get reworked, Colin, do you know?
I think he got reworked into... they gave him some more buffs.
He's slightly less terrible, but there's still like, Throt and Ickit Claw and anyone else
to pick from.
I think the best I can say for him is that with his starting position, he fights dark
elves, which is compared to everyone else.
Like, Kweet gets to start next to Scarbrand.
Oh, God.
Ickit Claw is in the middle of Skaven Blight, which is good for a starting position.
Then you try and expand and the wood elves politely tell you where you can stuff it.
I only tangentially know what you're talking about, but I just like the idea of the meme
of him starting off and then with Scarbrand, it's like, me, the guy the wood elves tell
you not to worry about, it just starts.
Speaking of Kweeke, bread maker, S-tier easily.
Easy.
S-tier, easy.
He's a good quality for me, honestly.
Samurai Rat Man, as I know him.
He has weapons he calls Dwarf Gouger.
You can guess what he does with them.
He tells how to take advantage of the stock market and then just price gouge it.
That's definitely what he does.
He was the big star of the big short film.
I've seen that film.
Probably not Colin.
I haven't seen that one.
I know of it.
It's a good film.
I've not watched it.
It's a good film.
Isn't he mad?
He is.
He talks to the skulls.
He's courageous.
He's brave.
He's an honorable warrior.
They give him advice and talk to him.
Some of them actually put him down and he uses that as reverse motivation or something.
You're like, no, I am good enough, that kind of thing.
I don't know.
Like a no man for him.
He's a top tier powerful character in fantasy, though.
He is.
He kills Belgar Iron Hammer, a dwarf character.
He's sad.
He took over Kerrek Eight Peaks, Warhammer fantasy, Stalingrad, immediately died to
Thorgrim, but I think he deserved it.
I think there's nothing weird about his tactics, isn't there?
He actually will fight at the front and will not.
Clanmoors are the quote unquote braves, where they'll still run away, but it takes them
like two minutes to run instead of immediately.
And they might come back at some point eventually.
Yeah.
He was raised by that Nodwell dude to actually fight and be loyal and stuff.
So pretty cool guy.
Guys, please.
By Skaven standards.
No, people are putting the eggs.
It's not egg time.
No eggs.
No eggs today.
I have one single egg in the fridge right now.
No, don't tell them.
Why would you do that?
Don't tempt him.
You don't need to offer it.
I have to redeem myself because I threw up last time.
You can't say you have an egg and then when you're not doing that for no reason, you can't
just go like, I have an egg and then I have to eat it right now.
I have several eggs, but I'm not going to do anything today.
I have to contribute to the eggs for the egg fund.
To that I'll just say nuts.
Yum.
Nuts.
Can you fill your entire mouth with nuts?
We're not doing food challenges.
Andy has a batch of eggs.
I have nine eggs.
I know exactly how many eggs I have in my mouth.
Oh my God.
What's the animals?
What is the next one, Colin?
Is that a tank?
The next one is a character named Clom and Cast.
There's nothing special about him.
He's not known or he is a character in any way, but he has a steam tank he stole and
he rides around in.
Is he in Dr. and Felix?
I don't think he is.
They're just a random one.
Just for the tank.
He's from a scenario.
He's got a tank that he put treads on instead of wheels and there's a dune wheel thing behind
it.
I like the tank.
I'm pro tank.
I wanted to bring him up just because I think it's funny escaping Pilfer.
That's all he did.
Colin, you got a shout out here.
He says, thanks to Colin, I got super into vampire counts and now I refuse to buy grave
lords because F man Fred, bring me back, Vlad.
Thank you, Sam.
Bring back Vlad.
Thank you.
Vladdy, daddy.
The next one, I think I might have maybe mentioned this guy a little bit, but who is this guy
Colin?
That's Scar Bloodtail, Queek's little helper guy.
He is the Skaven who something broke in his brain at birth.
He's just loyal.
He actually will fight Queek, even though he does feel fear.
There's a little passage where he stares down an orc like war boss and the whole time he's
like, I don't want to fight it.
I don't want to fight it.
But he's like, I have to because I'm Queek's top guy.
Queek needs me.
I'm that guy, dude.
I'm Queek's top guy.
That's literally me.
The same hide bit.
Where's Ryan Gosling going then?
He's literally Ryan Gosling.
Next to Queek, surely, because he's brave.
It's just behind Queek.
He also does not die in the end time.
I mean, when the world blows up, he probably does, but maybe he teleported it out with
Skaven Blade.
Oh, S tier.
I know a part of S tier.
He sounds awesome.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
What is the next one?
Deathmaster Snitch.
I hate him.
He sucks.
Mad Lore.
Belongs in C tier.
Should have more lower tiers.
He sucks.
I hate him.
He killed Lord Grim with complete bullshit.
His campaign sucks.
He killed Lord Grim.
And told him to wear a hammer.
Hey, but his model is cool and he can use a dagger with his tail.
There we go.
But I hate him.
I think he's cool.
He may be an anime man, but he sucks.
And I hate him for what he did to Thorgrim.
Oh, that's F tier lore.
That was probably the ultimate end times.
We need everyone to lose, so we're just going to shut off everyone's brains and abilities.
For those who don't know, Thorgrim was at this point the incarnate of the Wind of Metal.
So he's one of the most powerful magic users on the planet.
Has special rune armor specifically designed to prevent backstabbings.
And is a dwarf, so quite smart, quite studious.
Considers every angle.
And the way they kill him was after a battle.
He's retreating through this secret tunnel.
Forgets to close the door behind him and he gets stabbed in the back.
By Deathmaster Snitch.
So therefore, he sucks.
I hate him.
I'm biased.
I don't care.
Thank you, Jack Dawes.
Triple poop knife indeed.
Please.
Has an OG lore crimes meme.
That just makes it extremely...
I season one.
I dare bring it to your attention, Colin, that someone said screw dwarfs in the chat.
And I don't know how you can...
Bro.
I love the Warhammer fantasy dwarfs.
Not as much as Hellions, but they're my favorite dwarf archetype.
They're great.
Dwarves are just good in any faction.
Any setting.
Yeah, you can't go wrong with dwarfs.
Yeah, they're pretty like reliable.
Lord of the Rings, Warhammer, anything you can think of.
Dragon Age.
They're always great.
Apart from Leagues of Votan.
I'm going to die on that hill.
Yeah, that's true.
I don't like them either, Hal.
You're right.
Big wrong.
It gets me properly fired up.
Because of all the things, I don't think anyone went, oh, new army for like, ninth edition.
What do you want?
Oh, Emperor's Children maybe?
Dark Mechanicus.
Maybe something like So Cool.
Maybe even Minor Xenos faction.
No, can we have slightly sci-fied up dwarfs?
I think you're out of your mind that you think no one wanted the squats back.
As much as all the other things.
But they're not even the real squats.
They're not even real.
Someone says.
We got a donation.
Thank you.
Thank you, Golden Arm.
Oh, no.
Golden Arm.
He said, how much would be required for the rest of the stream to be in Shikaria Skaven's
speak talk?
A lot.
We'll say seven thousand seven hundred and seventy seven pounds.
By the way, someone says, just because of his name, Nick Swanson, who sounds like Ron
Swanson to me from Parks and Rec, he says AOS dwarves are kind of lame.
I mean, that's actually fair.
I wouldn't say so.
Just for the reason like the Godric and the Godric.
It depends on which ones.
Because the Fire Slayer's lore is cool, but their models are vastly disappointing.
I'm not going to say their ass.
I am going to say.
I am going to say their ass.
I take it back.
I like the guy with the big X.
It's all of them.
If they.
Yeah, you're right.
It doesn't.
Even if like maybe half of them weren't just mirrored models where they made one half of
a model and then.
Yeah.
Reversed it for the other half of the model.
They're like, oh, you're like, pound.
It sounds like Ron Swanson.
Like AOS dwarves are kind of lame.
Anything before Age of Sigmar is great.
Anything after is irrelevant.
That's right.
That's me.
Dumped computer to trash.
Trash, yeah.
It's like people want to.
Bro, listen, people want to squats back.
Yeah, but like why couldn't it have been?
Say we also have agents of the Imperium, like the Inquisition staff could have been.
Noise Marine kit, please.
I mean, can I know the noise Marines?
And as someone said earlier, without rocket, you know, without deep rock
galactic squalls would be if he didn't exist, you wouldn't like it.
How much would you pay for a noise Marine?
You know, with like the lion had loads of different head models.
What would you pay to have a noise Marine kit where there's like one with a
base, one with a drum kit, one with a microphone and one with a guitar.
You can mix and match what you wanted.
How much would you pay for that?
Is that for you, Eli?
He said asking you.
So I was, I was reading epic, cool, awesome Goblin Guy Reels comments
about how he's worried he doesn't miss the epic rap battles.
It would be physically, it would be quite physically impossible to ever
miss the epic rap battles to your list.
So deduce what you can from that.
How much would I pay for a lion Al Johnson?
How much would you pay for like a noise Marine, which had like a base version,
a guitar version, one with a drum kit and one with a microphone and some amps.
Like how much, how much would you pay for like that set of just, I can, I
could do what I want with noise Marines.
It's my pay for a slimesh fish face thing.
I don't know.
I just want regular noise Marines.
Like the classic noise Marines are awesome.
They're kind of goofy, but that's fine.
Very funny if GW continues to never give the Emperor's children.
They can, they can continue to release one anniversary noise Marine every 20 years.
And so that's my point.
Yeah.
Eventually we'll have a full squad.
I don't know.
They need to have like a new Necromunda-esque game where it's just a band
comprised of noise Marines and all the other models are like roadies and
like lighting tech guys.
And then it's all about making a really good game.
I want the cool Grimdark noise Marines because they, they fit so perfectly into
40K people, but whatever donation.
Yeah.
Go for it Eli.
From Elliot Hopps.
Hey, little crimes is my birthday today.
Happy birthday.
Happy birthday, bro.
I was going to start, I didn't have the army, but then saw the new flesh eaters
reveals and now I'm buying schizo vamps.
I was just thinking about that today about how cool the flesh eater courts are.
After learning like one second of their lore and schizo insane night vampire
guys are so cool.
If I ever played AGC, I would have to buy a new one.
If I ever played AGC, I would play them, but my hidden nights are
I've been gathering dust for a while.
Whoever designed the new Usheren model.
One very good model.
Oh my God.
Oh, that's so monstrous.
So either really loved or really hated the Godric, the grafted fight in Elden
ring.
Oh my God.
We have a good chat.
How about at the end of each tier stream, you add one epic rap battle song into
the tier list.
We can make some progress.
You know, if you were so ravenous, I'm on your side, Chad.
I'm on your side.
What is the next one then Colin?
He's a thank wall.
S tip, S tip, S tip.
Top of S.
There can only be one thank wall in thank walls here.
Yeah, you're right.
I suppose.
For the uninitiated, Colin, who is Ikit Klaw?
Ikit Klaw, he's a clan scryer warlock engineer.
Very smart, very good wizard.
He built doom wheels.
He built a nuke and then he built a cannon that blew up the moon.
I didn't say he's a scaven scientist, so he's vastly insane.
I mean, I don't know.
It's kind of hard to rank the insanity of Skaven.
They're all pretty goddamn insane in their own unique way.
I guess from like just regular grunt to thank wall, whereas he
is closer towards thank all that.
But his also as much as like total war starting in Skaven Blight.
Very thematic and dropping the nukes.
Boy, I think I've watched something that video, the guy who like just
prepped, he prepped so you can know, you can all.
Yeah, but yeah, he'd blow up in a city.
He did it for the entire man.
He nuked every province on the map.
That's insane.
Who is our next?
That is the last one.
I mean, unless you want to give thrott another slot.
He's pretty fat.
He's pretty big.
Slightly bigger thrott.
That is the second greatest Skaven character ever.
He has no many.
He has a paragraph of lore.
His name is Scabicus.
He was a Skaven slave who led a revolt of Skaven slaves.
Oh my God.
To actually make their like.
He was actually just somehow a good rat.
He wanted to give them better living conditions, free them from the Skaven unions.
Yeah, and the Skaven unions kept trying to stop him and somehow they couldn't beat him in battle.
So they told his Skaven slave army that if they pointed out their leader,
they would pardon them all for the rebellion.
And instead of the Spartacus thing where they all go, I am Spartacus,
every single one of them in the union pointed him out and then tore him apart and ate him.
And then the Grey Seers killed and ate all the other Skaven slaves.
In fact, the lore passage ends with the saying,
production was down, but everyone was well fed for the next few weeks.
And for that, I give him S tier, very funny piece of lore.
Yeah, you know, you say like, oh man, GW Rui did like copy someone's homework and then like
in history stuff, that one's really damn on the nose.
That's a bit.
It's really funny though, like in Nudus and 10,000, they're like, it's that guy.
Can we get an F in chat for a Skaven?
Because he died.
He died as he lived.
A hero betraying.
It's got to be FF.
Betrayal.
I do believe that was our opening list boys.
So we've got a little bit, we will do another one in a bit.
We've got another one.
Epic, awesome goblin.
I guess you're describing what's going to happen if the tier list doesn't end.
Next I think we have is Lord of the Rings characters.
This is going to be hard not to just do all this tier, I'm not going to lie.
Yeah, this is a bit, because this is unfortunately well written.
To give you an idea of how many there's a few.
Donation from incoming backup, 15 squiggly lions.
Thank you, sir.
Someone pointed out Iket in AOS became a Storm Rat Eternalist.
Oh yeah.
He has his own Sigmar.
He kidnapped a bunch of Stormcasts and he's trying to recreate them as Skaven.
Oh, that's awesome.
Saj, thank you for the chat.
I think he even said he doesn't remember his name, but he thinks it went Icrit or
something, which is like, man, I wonder who that is.
Is that Tom Bombadil in the bottom?
Who is that?
That must be, yeah.
Yeah, I think so.
That's awesome.
Tom is above S tier.
He's...
Isn't he God?
Tom is master.
He might be the song of a Lúvatar.
Yeah, he's a Lúvatar, right?
He shows up, he kills a wight, he gives Frodo a nice...
The song of a Lúvatar, not a Lúvatar himself.
Oh.
Or was he meant to be like a representation of...
What was it?
No one really knows what he is.
It's all just theories, I think.
I think it's like Tolkien, like people who are into it and like debated and analyzed it,
hate him because he just kind of ends up in the story and brings it to a grinding halt.
Tolkien probably thought, this guy sounds fun.
I had no idea of a sketch of like a sketch where you just screen screen yourself dressed
as Tom Bombadil and it's just like all the important scenes.
He's like, hello there, everyone.
I've got me smoking.
But it's like, fuck off Tom.
Can I just say thank you?
DJ Beat has pointed out, yo, the ring got a character thing.
I saw that.
That's awesome, yeah.
The ring is a kind of a character.
It's just like Sauron's will.
It has a mind of its own.
It's mind is that it wants you to go to Sauron.
That's it.
Yeah.
It's an echo.
It's literally an echo of like someone playing telephone.
It doesn't count as a character.
It's the fucking ring.
There's a Middle Earth Strategy Battles tournament next weekend and I'm bringing Tom Bombadil.
His rules are all question mark.
His stats are all question mark.
And he has the rule, he has 15 will, which is what you use to cast.
And he has the rule, Tom is master.
That says you can't shoot him, or charge him, or attack him, or cast any powers on him.
And every time he charges someone, he automatically wins, but he doesn't make strikes, he just
pushes them back, and then he loses a will.
Why didn't he deliver the ring to Mal?
Because, uh, there's lore on that, actually.
There's a lore thing about it.
He was busy, he had a picnic.
One of them was like, he would just lose it.
But I think another one was like, even if he was the last one on the Earth, he wouldn't
deliver it, he wouldn't take the ring, or something like that.
I don't know all the lore, but Tom's awesome.
Was it something to do with Gandalf?
Or was it like, Gandalf was like, no way, I'm not touching that thing, that will corrupt
me, I don't trust myself.
Epic, cool, awesome Goblin Guy says, any character that gets ranked below the ring
should be deleted from fiction.
Also, I think it's time for me to make a confession.
Oh, here we go.
I've only seen the first movie.
I have read the books, though.
Okay, that's good, then.
That's fine.
We'll tell you who these are, though.
Why did they not use the Eagles?
Because the Eagles are the least conspicuous thing imaginable, bro.
They would see them coming from a mile away.
Yeah, the Nazgul were just...
Get the anti-aircraft guns, just like, flat cannons.
Just, boom, boom, boom, they're gone.
I have one more complaint about the list itself.
How come Scary Bilbo was not his own dear?
Oh, man.
God, that's got the crap out of me when I was a kid, though.
Like, properly, I used to have nightmares about those eyes.
Oh, man.
Make some noise.
Should we start off with Aragorn, though?
Aragorn is S tier.
He's so amazing.
He's such an amazing character.
87 years old and he's looking great.
I don't think anyone dislikes Aragorn.
He's pretty...
He's...
Yeah.
I mean, just in terms of his writing as well, the character, I mean, you know, the...
Spoiler alert, people who have not seen it, the death scene with Boromir is pretty...
Oh, I'm bored with him every time, dude.
It's pretty emotional.
My cat and my king.
Oh, my gosh, dude.
God, my heart.
Can I mention, I've just done my Sarek the Silent King video and I've called one of the
chapters Return of the King because I couldn't resist.
Nice.
Of course.
And even towards the end, I mean, I was going to say there's another character where he
becomes...
Was it Elisar?
Is that what he's like his full ascension, you know, his new name when he becomes king.
That is a name that I know of.
Spoilers, he becomes king of Gondor.
Next one.
Arwen.
I like Arwen.
Steve Kyler's daughter from Aerosmith.
She was definitely my like Celebrity Crush's little kid.
Holy moly.
But she takes away a lot of...
Book Arwen is good.
Movie Arwen is kind of cringe because she takes away a lot of character moments that
other characters have.
It's always ethereal scenes where it's her just going...
She's just lying there dramatically as well.
That was okay with young Eli.
But I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be...
I don't know if I have the right...
I think it's Glorfindel.
Glorfindel is supposed to be the one helping the Fellowship at the beginning, but they
put in Arwen instead for some reason, which is kind of weird.
I think they might have put him towards the end of the list here as like a representation
of him possibly.
I'd give her A tier because she also compliments Aragorn's story.
I'd actually argue B.
I'm only going to argue B just because I think so many of the other characters are going to be
like really high up on the list.
Like I honestly think we might be like... we have to sort of like be really stingent.
I don't know what Colin or Andy, if you guys agree or disagree.
To be honest, I'm like, oh, Arwen's a bit meh.
She's a bit mid for me.
I got to be honest, I don't really remember her much from the books.
So like, I mean...
She gets way more screen time in the movies than the books.
So B tier is fine, I guess.
Is that next... oh, all right. For a moment, I thought that next one was the orc that ran into the walls.
You're putting Balrog and Ringtear?
Ringtear? A tier? A tier? What the heck?
A tier, at least.
Is that Balrog?
I'll give him A tier.
Epitome big final D&D boss monster.
Yeah, it's only in one film.
Hasn't got a great character off there, does he? He's just like, oh, I'm on fire.
Who gives a shit? I doesn't need one.
He's awesome. He's awesome.
It's a big demon.
Yeah. If Ringtear doesn't actually mean bad, then he can go into Ringtear.
I'll accept it.
No, Ringtear is...
He's awesome. The Balrog is super cool.
The design is... I still remember the end of the bit where he leans over and it screams.
Or like the flames like roar out of it.
Yeah, roars.
Oh my god, that's such a...
A flame or not a veil.
It's like the most...
Nah, I will...
Flame of all good.
It's also like the most impressive, like special effects used it.
Because it still looks really good.
And like the way they used the smoke and everything coming off it to hide that, you know, it was like...
I will say...
2000s.
Yeah.
I come up with the name of the game, but there was a...
Just after the films, there was... was it Lord of the Rings Middle-earth or something?
We got to play an RPG where you play it as the actual characters moving the plot around
that don't appear in any of the films.
But they're always meeting all the characters and you fight the Balrog with Gandalf.
And I was like, wow, that's kind of mid.
Oh, we've already beaten him. I mean, like level 12.
I... me and my mate used to play on PS3. I know, PS3.
What is it? Is it one of the Middle-earth games?
This was Max Fox's original game.
This is basically the equivalent of like...
Was it Middle-earth Call of Duty in version 1?
By the way, we got a donation from BunnyCop.
Thank you.
Aragorn, S-tier. The inspiration for Ranger class would still be Beatia in 5E.
Fifth edition of TND.
He's got a homebrew stuff, bro. He just got a homebrew stuff.
If we were judging him off the Ranger class, he'd be F-tier.
Oh, come on.
It feels bad, man.
Rangers are not fun.
All right.
We got a Ring-tier character coming up. Barleyman Butterbeer.
He is the sole reason...
I surprise you remember him.
It's only because I'm bringing him in my list that also has Tom Bombadil.
I'm going to sell my list right now on stream.
I would say in counter-argument, we've put him at the top of S-tier.
He is S-tier as well.
He's both S-tier and Ring-tier at the same time.
There's a Strider over there.
Oh, I'm a man who owns a...
Oh, I forgot about his letter.
If he's above Aragorn...
That makes it all...
He's not above Aragorn.
Yeah, if he's above Aragorn, people are going to find this.
I want to talk about my list for...
Because he's just a weird, irreverent character.
Yeah, I like that.
I want to say my list for the Middle-earth game.
It's Aragorn with his big sword that I just forgot right now.
Er...
Enduro.
It's him at the end, Rill, and a bow on a horse.
And then it's Boromir on a horse with armor.
And then it's Legolas on a horse.
And then I have Barliman Butterbeer with Bill the Pony,
and Tom Bombadil, and Gwaihir the Eagle.
And that's my...
The King of Eagles.
Lord of the Rings.
It's a horribly, disgusting, terrible,
make-or-quit-the-game possibly list, but it also...
It also loses the moment I draw an objectives mission, so, you know, it depends.
The next one is Bilbo Baggins.
Bilbo Baggins is S-tier.
This is just Lord of the Rings and not the Hobbit.
Oh, our lousy spell.
He's just the scream he does.
His birthday.
And his birthday scene is just so good.
You know what?
I only want to put him in A just because S-tier is...
Like, it really has to be the actual cream of the crop.
And I don't believe Bilbo.
Put him ahead of the Balrog, then.
Yeah.
We're gonna be like...
Bill the Pony's Bombadil-tier.
Okay, Bombadil-tier.
Bill the Pony!
Bill the Pony.
Crucial.
Is that the one they leave at the gates of Moria?
Yeah, it's a lot more sad in the books, but I think he still survives in the books as well.
How did they confirm that?
How possibly could they...
I think they come back and he's...
I'd like to think...
You know that scene in the third film where there's that really angry guy riding...
I like to think that that's Bill the Pony, he's like...
He's just like...
Where he's charging to assault the city.
He counts as...
He gives rerolls to hobbits in the board game.
Or the tabletop.
And he can give me...
He gives you free certain resources back for a second breakfast.
Wow.
I mean...
I'll leave it in Bombadil, then.
I love Bill the Pony.
Bill the Pony's great.
Boromir.
He's the best character ever written in all of fantasy.
I mean...
It's just because that...
Again, he's only in one film, really.
No, he's actually...
He's the beginning...
He's also the beginning of...
Of Two Towers.
Yeah.
Holy moly!
Crimson Glory, bro.
Bro, please!
Oh my word.
Bro!
Egg, I love you guys.
Passion for Warhammer 12th and 20th are the best.
I turned 30 on the 26th, so rip to my joints.
Also, shout out to ThrowMyPhone, because it's effing...
With my spelling, might not be able to donate for a while.
Thank you, man.
Thank you, Crimson Glory.
Just for that, since you said Egg, maybe it'll happen...
It'll happen on stream.
Just let me get to Lord of the Rings, too.
At least, please, bro.
Cracking in a glass and drink it.
Don't eat the shell.
No, it's gotta be eat the whole thing.
I got water.
Someone said at the very end of the tier list,
his meat's back on the menu.
Can that be Bombadil?
Of course.
I don't think that's even a question.
Thank you.
The very last one.
He is... What's his name?
Ogluk? Maybe? No.
He's a movie character, as well, I think.
I mean, Ogluk is a very different to Warhammer.
One of those two names sounds right.
Really random aside, can I mention something?
Where I'm from the Channel Islands, there's a beer called Breeder.
And there's that bit in that scene where the hobbits,
Merry and Pippin are being moved around and one of the dorks goes,
we ain't going farther till we've had a breeder.
And so we're always like there with the beers.
Yeah.
Anyways, Boromir is like...
I think Boromir is one of the best characters ever.
I think all men can relate to Boromir.
He's got a good arc.
He's in one film and he steals the show when he's on.
He hits rock bottom.
He calls him a Simba, then he redeems himself.
He proves himself to still be the fearless, courageous hero on the inside.
And yeah, he has redemption arc.
Next one is Aragorn's horse.
Is that the one who carries him when he's injured in two towers?
No, he beats here because he does the same thing as Arwen, basically.
Above Arwen, though.
Yeah, he's just...
No, he's above Arwen.
It's a horse.
Yeah, I know.
Better than Arwen.
Oh, king of the...
Horse of the Elven group.
I can't remember.
He's the king of...
Galadriel's husband.
Yes.
I think he's C-tier or ring-tier.
Yeah, Galadriel's S-tier.
No, C-tier.
Because I think he makes one.
Just because he's part of that iconic part where he's like,
where is Gandalf?
And then it becomes...
Well, taking Hobbits to Isengard, kind of the whole video.
The dwarf talks so loudly, we could have shot him in the dark.
No, that's another one.
That's a different guy.
Yeah.
Shame.
That was a Sméagol.
Sméagol when he's before he returns to Gollum.
Sméagol's on his B-tier, I guess.
Yeah, lowest point of B-tier.
So before he's interesting?
No, actually, that's not Sméagol.
That's his friend.
Is that his friend?
That's his friend till he smothers him.
That's the friend Sméagol.
Are you sure?
He drowses.
That's the friend who gets Sméagol'd.
He's just about this high, then.
Really?
He's on a boat and that's it.
Isn't he?
He's the one who finds the ring and then Sméagol takes him out because he's like, I want it.
What the hell is that?
Yeah, he doesn't look like any kind of...
Oh, gosh.
I mean, to be fair, seated because he just gets grotted, essentially, straight away.
Denethor.
Denethor's ring-tier, I feel like.
No, he is an interesting character, though.
Hold on, I've got an idea.
Ring-tier isn't bad.
Ring-tier's not bad, too.
I've got an idea.
Hold on, we can fix this.
I like Denethor.
He's a good character.
There we go.
That is one of the best scenes in films ever.
Yeah, I'm proud of that.
It's like rent-free in a lot of heads, isn't it?
Except for Colin.
Yeah, he's not...
He's been spared.
Have you seen that scene at Leeds, Colin?
Which one?
When Denethor eats a tomato.
It's in the third one.
I've not seen that in a while.
They're charging a fort and they're all about to die and Mary's singing a really sad song
and he's eating all this food and there's just really visceral close-ups of him eating a
really sloppy tomato.
It's such a good scene.
Yeah, there's a massive tomato sloppy zoom in.
And it's good, though, because he's eating his food like a layabout and then his men
are dying in a hopeless charge and then there's the last bit where they're all about to be
hit by the arrows and he just crunches the tomato and it runs down his mouth.
And you're like, oh, nice.
Nice symbolism.
Very good.
It's weird as fuck, though.
I was just going to say that.
Elrond is lore-wise is S-tier.
Elrond is S-tier in the lore.
In the movies, I feel like he's just A-tier.
He's just a blossom of A.
The Balrog's more iconic.
I feel like the thing is...
He shows up at the beginning, though.
All he does is he tells people what to do and he's like, I was important once, like, cool.
We cannot trust the realm of the realms to men.
Sad ranking for Elrond.
He sits there and goes, I was there when the courage of men failed and then he conveniently
leaves out the lore before that, which is when the elves cocked it up just as badly.
Can we not have Elrond below Aragorn's horse?
Can we, please?
I can, that's fair.
He has to be here.
No.
Arwen does that thing where she takes out like nine ringwraiths with a lake.
That's pretty cool.
But that wasn't her.
That's not real.
She facilitates it.
That was Corphindal.
She's like the one who's actually there and actually initiates that act.
Force does a lot of carrying.
He just tells people to do stuff.
He heals Krodo.
And he brings Andoril to Aragorn.
He does reforge.
Reforge is Narsil into Undural.
And also, yeah, he has a lot of funny close-ups in the movie.
He's kind of just a funny looking guy.
For my birthday, like five years ago maybe, my friends bought this stuffed pillow elephant
thing and taped a picture of Elrond to it.
And they did the same thing with like a bit, it was so weird.
But he's a funny guy.
That guy's also Viva Vendetta.
Just what a weird...
The egg is traditional at this point, bro.
I don't want to do an egg every stream.
The egg shouldn't have been a one-time thing.
More of a one stream.
Bro, come on.
Don't do this to me.
The egg will happen because Crimson donated $50.
I did like that.
There was a comment from who said it.
If you guys donate more though, I'd, you know, that'd feel nice.
You have to set yourself a minimum for the egg, surely.
Because it can't be a cheap...
I mean, last time you guys donated like $150 for eggs.
It was like $200 for the egg.
That is a little bit much for the egg, but I mean, if we made $100 per egg, you know,
that would make me feel a little bit less used.
Used and abused.
This is the best way we could sell out possible.
Is this Aomir?
It's Aomir.
S tier, top of S tier.
He's cool.
I don't think he's S tier.
I think he's top of A.
I think he's A tier.
He's great.
He's just a cool guy.
Every fight he's right in the thick of it and he's killing everyone.
He's like, yeah, man.
He's a top of A.
I think he's A.
He's only really there in like...
He only really has his moments in the movies.
What's his name?
The actor.
He's in The Boys and he is Judge Dredd and he's all sorts.
I mean, I like the...
Yeah, this Gronn should be on the list, DJ Peace.
Gronn is S tier for sure.
Is Gronn not the actual ram?
999.
I was scared this was going to be an egg donation.
Thank you, Ludie McShooty for the $10.
Question for Mr. Nowork as the foremost expert in Sword Art Online.
When are we going to do a lore crime episode for SAO?
And then Crimson also $5.
Thank you, bro.
If you're including rings of power, I'll be baby mad.
Also egg.
Egg will be there.
Egg will be there, bro.
I have not watched Sword Art Online for the love of God.
I can't believe that joke that I started.
Why is that still going?
That is like nearly a year old.
Carl Urban, yes, thank you, people.
No, I cannot be in Cooked Egg.
Top of A is good.
I am the Sam woman.
I think she's S tier.
I really like her.
Eowyn.
She's S tier.
I would say she's S tier, actually.
Because she kills the Witch King.
Witch Mary, courage for our friends.
Mary kills the Witch King.
But I mean, it's still worse.
It's still the same difference.
Whatever.
It's fine.
Faramir.
Faramir is S tier.
S tier.
Is he, though?
Yeah.
I think he's top of A.
I think he's just top of A, just because I don't think he's quite.
I do like him a lot.
You are Denethor, Hal.
You are.
He's not good enough.
He's not.
Faramir.
Have you ever seen that me, though?
Like him and the guy with the map.
It's just like, where are we?
So we're over here.
And then.
Some guys started watching Sword Art Online because of you, Colin.
How can you live with that, dude?
No, I didn't do it.
I did not do that.
That wasn't me.
I didn't do that.
I mean, once you've seen it, then you can make fun of it.
I think this is Farmer Megan.
No, I think I can make fun of it at any point.
The Hobbits, isn't he?
When the race is Farmer Megan.
They win?
There's no one in the books.
In the books, Farmer Megan is actually S tier.
He stands up to a ring race and just tells him to freaking go away.
Whereas in the movie, he's like, is that what you're doing?
If this is only movies, he's C tier, but books, this is S tier.
So I think give him B tier.
OK, I'm going to say Frodo, by the way.
Frodo is, for me, lowest, low A.
I think he's.
He takes the burden of the ring.
He does.
He endures a lot.
You're right.
As a character, he is.
There's a quite a clearly superior part of the relation, like of the of the duo act.
Yeah, he's got to be like, the guy who's on fire and shows up once.
I might have a.
I think he should be top of A tier.
Yeah, I mean, he does the most leg work and he's got little legs.
It's only funny feet too.
Gladriel.
Yes, I think Gladriels S tier.
She's weird.
I don't know.
I don't feel as like.
Gladriels is cool.
I can't say I feel as drawn to Gladriels like over.
Yeah, that's a good spot.
Like she's not.
She's like an entity almost rather than a character.
And again, but she gives she brings Gimli's best line in all of fiction.
She does, but she just kind of gives everyone a present.
That's all she does.
I mean, Bilbo gives a gives Frodo a present.
It's like, that's useful.
But he also has like a story.
I think she's.
I'm I'm a elf in it.
Oh, wow.
Thank you.
Neon.
LF Grey says Sword Art Online is bad.
Yes, I agree.
I'm not.
It is actually bad.
It's not terrible.
It's not truly.
Gambling.
How dare gambling.
You're right.
Gambling.
Oh, is this the guy who gets actually crunked by the the wall survives?
He does.
Or there's another guy who gets crunked by.
He's kind of just there.
I think he's like the banner bearer.
Yeah.
Low low bees.
He gets to be.
He gets to be his name dropped in the Ride for Ruin and the world's ending.
So he gets to be for that, I guess.
Glamoring.
You take your banner down the center or is it the left flank?
One of the two.
He's in the bowels a lot.
And he does the rider.
Can we just talk about the ride of Rohirrim is still probably one of the greatest scenes
in cinematic history.
Peter Jackson made some decisions that I might not agree with, but holy crap.
He made some good movies.
When the music kicks in, you're like, oh, the hairs all up.
They're the memes.
Gandalf.
Gandalf is top of S tier.
He's top of S tier.
He's so awesome.
Two dollars from Crimson Glow, forgotten weapons tier list.
When?
That sounds cool.
Thank you, sir.
I was going to put Gandalf.
Top of S tier.
I feel like Gandalf should be in Bombadil.
I would argue for him to go into Bombadil just because so much revolves around Gandalf.
And he's already like a million years old, so he doesn't really care.
He doesn't really need any development.
Yeah.
Gimli's S tier.
Oh, Gimli's S tier.
Gimli's so awesome.
Below Boromir.
He has such a beautiful story as well.
Below Boromir.
Oh, man.
His friendship with Legolas as well.
He has such amazing creative development.
Two Towers is his film, by the way.
It is the Gimli show.
And also how every Lord of the Rings meme ends with him with the beer in his beard.
Just him appreciating Legolas in the end is so wonderful, though.
I love him so much.
Can we put him above Boromir just a bit?
Dude, he sailed out with the elves at the end.
That was awesome.
Yeah, seriously.
What do you guys think of that Lord of the Rings anime thing?
The War of Rohirrim thing.
I haven't gone to see it yet.
Smeagol destroys the ring.
He gets S tier.
He has a terrible video game that came out this last year.
We don't think about that.
Smeagol is the hero of our story.
All right.
Now, hang on.
The game was not good, but I will defend it because it was an actual game with passion
and intent behind it.
It sucked, but it wasn't bad in the way modern games are bad now,
which is they were designed by corporations to eat your money.
The Assassin's Creed.
They made a bad game.
Anthony Fackenthal taking out the 401k.
Thank you, sir, for the $100.
If you each had the ability to decide what the new faction GW would bring to the tabletop,
regardless of how obscure the lore may be, what would you pick?
I think I'd choose the Hrud because they're pretty different from anything else now.
Anyways, much love, gents.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
I see you.
Thank you.
Eli, do you want to go first?
Uh, um, new faction.
New faction.
Probably one of two Emperor's Children, but that doesn't really count.
I think I would do, I would just redo the Tao
and give them all of their alien auxiliaries instead of only Crute and Vespid.
I always thought that was really stupid.
I think the Tao being a conglomerate of species would be pretty cool.
I think that's what I would do that, but for the Farsight enclaves,
like make that its own army and that could be the, uh, like the Covenant Tao since GW
clearly does not want to do that with the mainline Tao.
That would be so cool.
So give Farsight can be like the coalition.
Exodates, yeah.
Exodates too.
Oh, fuck yeah, Exodates too.
Andy, what do you think?
Uh, I have a joke idea and I have an actual idea.
Oh boy.
I'll say the base one because I think it's a bit, yeah.
I'd like to see, you know, like the Horus Heresy series.
I'd like to see a, uh, a knight-errant faction.
I think that'd be cool, but it might be a bit limited, but I'd really like to see
just an administratum one and like they have rules about, they just bog you down with like
paperwork and, and be wrong with you.
And so you're like, I need to roll a dice.
Actually you have to complete file, um, form subsection 71.
You have to give it five signatures before you're allowed to roll the dice.
And you have to hand in your opponent a form to fill out.
Exactly.
Time you try to do a shooting phase.
You have a cliff board and you go, actually.
That would be something.
Oh my gosh.
I've got three.
I want to think they either, they might have teased some of it.
I've always thought dark mechanic might be cool, but I obviously just think that it might be
like an allied unit thing for chaos.
Slightly, but I also think they've hinted at possibly the inquisition.
And obviously Empress children.
I, if I had my like run, like if I had my choice, I'd actually go for somewhat similar to Eli and
Collins answer, but I'd go a lot darker where like the far side enclose and tower pretty, um,
like more on the good side of Warhammer.
Like they actually a bit more morally, you know, lighter and not as, not as gray as,
or black as another one.
I would go for like a, basically a con like a conglomeration of Xenos, but it's all like the
evil bastard ones.
Like from all the hoes.
So like, um, what's like the, the, the maggot men ones, um, the crave the ones
like, which like basically invasive mind ones.
And then, uh, the fraud as well, just because, you know, basically you die by aging like to dust
in front of your Xenos.
I'm just going for like a basic, a dark mirror of the tower where it's like, uh, but that'll
be, cause then they can literally have, um, the models will be crazy because they'd have no limit.
Make it crazy as like, make it age a signal level beauty.
Um, that'll be it.
I guess.
Thank you so much to Anthony as well.
Really appreciate that, but thank you.
And, uh, he's definitely putting our children through college.
Thank you so much.
Um, the next one is that, oh, that's the one who takes the myth.
He only takes the myth rule.
Um,
Oh, I do know that's shake rat and gore bag.
It's gore bag.
That's who it is.
Gore bag.
Uh, he's really fun in the tabletop.
I give him beats here.
Low, low big because he's barely on it, but now the next one, this one,
this walk, he has one of the hardest lines in the movies.
Low.
He has to go low.
I'll go ahead.
Sorry.
I don't want to interrupt that.
I was just saying that that line is awesome.
The age of minutes over the time for the orcas come.
By the way, as much as pre people know this as well, I think, I think, um, Elijah wood stated
this, but he was somewhat based off of the look of a certain director slash producer.
Oh yeah.
I don't know if you say his name just because of, um, YouTube stuff, but
Controversial director, a very, um, one who's possibly in prison.
So they base his look off of that and they never told anyone.
Like a certain start Stein.
And in that video game, the third age, he's so funny.
That he keeps running away and coming back.
He's a regular dude in the books.
He's not an orc.
I'm pretty sure.
But he's so cool.
Warm tongue is
I'm not as top of S T not top of S to get him out of there.
I think in the books he'd be top of S tier because he gets shanked to death by heart.
Like they just beat him to death.
Is he STL?
This is immediately after he kills Sorrow Man, by the way.
Yeah.
So yeah, he did some cool stuff.
I guess this is as an entire character.
He is interesting.
To be fair.
Yeah.
Uh, next one is, oh, this is, what about them?
They don't need their legs.
I don't remember his name.
I mean, to be fair, it is a meme moment, though.
I think it puts it in Bombadil just because it's meme tier format.
It is.
It's the same as meets back on the menu.
It's exactly the same as meets back on the menu.
That is the same thing.
That's the meme tier.
Oh, now this is the elf who's he's actually just a movie
character, isn't he?
Seer Ding, isn't it?
Is that his name?
I mean, he is pretty cool.
He's not supposed to be there.
I give him the bottom of B.
The elves kind of take away from what Rohan actually pulled off by themselves at Helm's Steep.
He wasn't supposed to be there.
He just looks cool.
Ah, now the next dude.
This is the guy who gets crunked by a...
Well, that's...
Fog or what?
That's not gambling.
Yeah, he does get crunked though.
He's just some guy, I guess.
He's C tier, bro.
Come on.
C tier, yeah.
He's...
Oh, no, he does actually let Gandalf keep his staff.
What's the top of C?
Top of C or bottom of B.
Top of C.
They need to be more stringent.
Who is this?
Is this like Ophelia?
Ophelia?
One of the Sackville Baggins is?
Who is this?
One of the Baggins or like Hobbits, I think.
Because if you look in the rest of the list, there's a few more Hobbits who are...
I don't know who this is.
I'm gonna guess it's Ophelia...
Sackville Baggins or whatever.
Bomacy.
Oh, the door man.
Door man, A tier for sure.
Yeah, he gets...
I mean, he does get actually flattened by a door.
Bottom of A tier, bottom of A tier.
Calm down.
You know about Bower?
A true hero of Gondor.
My man only has two things.
Legolas is an A tier, I'm not gonna lie.
Legolas is even B tier.
Legolas should be up next to Gimli.
No.
Yes!
No.
I think same as Frodo, to be honest.
He doesn't have to have that much.
He just does cool stuff.
He doesn't really have any...
He's above A of A.
I'm debating Frodo.
I'm still a little bit baby mad.
Frodo's not in a mom and ill fear of baby range.
I can put him in front of Carl Urban, but he just shoots him.
Legolas is just a cool elf.
He's already like a thousand years old.
He doesn't really have any character development.
He's there to be Gimli's character development.
He shoots things really well with arrows and he's a bit racist.
He's the last elf you see who's still interested in the world
and gives a shit about anything beyond going away.
True.
And he ruins the Hobbit film because it's like, why are you here?
That's not his fault and we're not including the Hobbit.
We've gone over this.
Orlando Bloom gets S tier though.
Alright, also consider we're taking the Hobbits to Isengard.
That was like the first meme ever.
Come on.
True.
Is that Pippin?
That's Mary.
Yes.
The mouth of Sauron.
It's a cool sign.
It's the same as honestly, he has a mouth.
Next one, just the next two Hobbits is...
Oh, this is the husband and wife who like he smiles and then she smacks him.
The other Bombadil tier.
Bombadil tier.
That's such a great scene in the Fellowship.
But you've here.
By the way, I think the next one is...
Rosie Cotton.
Sam's wife.
She's a nice lady.
Yeah, she's not in it.
Is she real life Sam Wise's actor's wife?
No.
I'm sure I've seen a photo recently where it's like the kid they use in that scene is actually his kid.
No, it's Peter Jackson's daughter was one of the young kids in it.
By the way, Sam Wise...
Sam is the best character in all.
Huge, long.
He is the best character in all of Fancy's ever made.
Don't describe him like that.
I don't want to do it as a meme.
No, I don't.
I think he's rooted enough to not be in the meme.
Who the hell in the chat put what that mouth do?
I was waiting for them.
We know you're a veteran on the chat.
Please no.
The Sauron sloppy?
No.
Oh, God.
This guy.
That would be the Sauron sloppy.
Oh my gosh.
Look at that.
The Sauron's mouth.
It's a tiny bacteria.
He's the mouth of Sauron.
Anyway, Christopher Lee.
Sauron.
Yeah, S.G. for sure.
You know what?
It's just below Boromir, I think.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Well, I just love that story about how he's being stabbed by worms.
And it's like on the set going, that's not actually the noise that people make when they're stabbed in the back.
And Peter Jackson's like, what?
He's like, no, it's the air escapes your lungs because you're stabbed.
And so how do you know this?
Well, I was part of the British Special Forces.
Oh, Christopher.
He's awesome.
He shanked a guy.
Also that bring me an army worthy of Mordor.
Bring me an army worthy of Mordor.
And he was originally going to be Gandalf.
And then he was like, no.
He's too old, wasn't he?
He said he's too old.
I feel like Bombadil tears a bit crowded for what we're doing.
Just be Tom Bombadil.
Yeah, we're going to take the orcs out of Bombadil.
Bombadil.
The orcs have no place in Bombadil.
Bombadil is me.
The menu work absolutely has.
Bombadil tear is me.
Is it really?
Yeah.
Is the main thing just isn't on this list.
Lurch isn't on this list.
What the heck?
Raskin wouldn't like a look around this list, but Lurch isn't.
Lurch kills Bormin.
Lurch isn't real in the book, to be fair.
Sauron.
He's Bombadil tear.
Is he though?
He's the bowler.
Yes, he's Sauron.
What?
But unironically, as a character, he's more of an evil force.
He's not really like an actual ring.
You don't really know anything about him.
Same as Bombadil, Bombadil is just the good version of that.
But he actually has dialogue like Sauron.
He just basically whispers occasionally.
Ring.
Whatever.
Fine.
He can go on ring tear.
Shadow Facts is A tier.
Shadow Facts is epic lore, I'm pretty sure.
It has to go on ring.
Yeah, I only remember Shadow Facts because of the epic rap battle of history.
I was like, shadow riddle me this, bitch.
We should set like a, you know, you can set like a target fund on things,
like a target fund for epic rap battles on tier list stream.
Or we'll dress up or something.
I'm crazy.
This is Vrasku, Murhur, or one of the other guys that I said.
Not Lurch.
It's not Lurch.
It's the guy with the hand who shoots Bormir.
Yeah.
He doesn't not exist in the books.
This is just a guy.
He's like, his model's all right.
He's probably got more to do than this guy.
So I'll just do that.
Is that right?
Poor Rosie Carton in front of him.
The next one I think is that the monster outside of Moria.
That's Shelob.
Oh, the spider.
Shelob's really cool.
Shelob's got lore.
Top of B.
Shelob's like a lady.
Shelob deserves bottom of A, if you ask me.
Yeah, you know what? It's above Dorman.
I think Shelob deserves A tier.
Can you explain to me why Shelob becomes a lady in the games?
That's not real.
The game isn't canon.
The game just took some creative liberties.
I haven't played the game.
Also, the game says you basically end up making like three rings.
The candy store.
You get a ring.
Ghost King.
I can't remember his name.
He's okay, I guess.
I like Tomato Crunch.
I would say it's about the same as Shelob.
It's just like a one kind of note scene thing.
It makes the movie particularly the last one.
And the ghosts are cool on the tabletop.
Tomato Crunch is fine.
I think this one's like Witch King of Angmar.
He's so cool.
He's above.
He's next to Sauron.
He's S tier.
I'm flying to Bryn right now.
He is S tier.
100%.
The design, the battles.
His lore is pretty good too.
Theoden.
He's cooler in the books.
He's like bottom of S tier though.
He does the whole death charge.
You know what?
He's really cool.
In the movies though.
He's like, oh I don't want to go help Gondor.
I don't want to ride the war.
I'm pretty sure he doesn't do that at all in the books.
I think he's above Faramir.
He's above Faramir at least.
He's not above Aragorn though.
He's not above the Fellowship.
Let's just say that.
No, we're actually going to fight him.
He's below Boromir.
Let me fight my case.
So it begins bit.
Those are good lines.
He does the bit where he says,
no father should ever have to bury their children.
They're good.
But he's not a main character.
He's great.
He's not Boromir though.
No way.
Boromir is one of the best rated characters ever.
That's not even unfathomable.
No, no.
That is actually the worst take.
Oh my gosh.
Bro, please.
He does not have a Saddened Seed.
He does not.
No way.
And then he does that bit where he looks off in the distance as the last prep escapes.
He dies for nothing.
Boromir dies defending the two hobbits.
Taking three freaking arrows to the chest.
But Boromir above him and then we're fine.
Theodon just dies.
He just gets wrecked by the Witch King.
The next character is Theodon's son.
That is Theodon's...
So two rando-orgs.
Anyway.
That's Theodon's son who basically has like two minutes of screwing time.
He's C tier for sure.
And then Treebeard.
Treebeard is Bombadil tier.
The answer is Slow to Anger.
Slow to Anger.
Slow to Anger, quick to listen is a proverb.
I don't remember it.
Don't be hasty.
I live by that. I live by Treebeard, dude.
I think DJ Beast pointed out the guy who voices Keller Brimble in the Ringers games is the same guy who does Mimir from God of War.
I have no idea they're the same person.
Also Treebeard steals lines from Tom Bombadil in the movie.
He also still gets his...
He replaces Bombadil basically.
Also Jack Dawes made a very good point that it took the Witch King to stop Ferdin.
Whereas Boromir is like a random orc.
Boromir is like a random orc.
I'm not salty.
Boromir was like 50 random orcs, alright?
And the Witch King fell beast.
Ferdin was wailing through hundreds at that battle.
The Witch King fell beast just like threw his horse over and he just dies.
And that's it, bro.
Now he gets clobbered. And he gets crushed by his horse.
He's like, fuck, oh that's heavy.
Boromir 1v50s with no backup.
Theodin's never like by himself.
And then when he is he dies.
Theodin is awesome. I really like Theodin.
But he's not better than Boromir.
I mean, to be fair, we always just say like...
Someone who's watching now Lord of the Rings...
Damn, because obviously it's getting closer to Christmas time as of time recording.
And I just have to do an entire extended edition, you know, 9 hour go at it again.
Damn, I really want to watch it.
Also, on the tabletop...
You can come over to our watching hall, films and mongo.
Every tabletop game when I'm playing against Theodin, I always kill him.
Like I've never seen Theodin survive a game.
He just dies.
It's also because he's fight 5 and most of the big scary heroes will fight 6.
Boromir is fight 6, which is better than fight 5, by the way.
6 is higher than 5.
Lord Rimes is half-heater.
Nothing for accurate information.
We got 5 European dollars from Angry Homunculus.
Angry Homunculus, angry senator.
Oh, also the Boromir voice actor Armstrong in Medi- Oh!
Well, that's cool.
No way!
I'm gonna fuck with this senator.
All characters with big foreheads.
I can't tell if he... Thank you, Angry Homunculus.
Appreciate that. Very much.
That is, to be fair, that is the Lord of the Rings tier list.
You got me all riled up in that one, holy moly.
Still sad Lurz isn't on this list.
Since I didn't have quite as much to contribute on this one on account of not having seen two of the three movies.
Please.
I have even fucking less to contribute here, holy shit.
No, this is cover art.
This is a long list, bro.
We're doing it by...
We did spend the time ordering them, so they're all in the right order.
Wow, bless the end.
We will specify today.
We're not rating all the Horrors Heresy books, we're gonna set that for another stream.
But today we'll be rating the cover art for the Horrors Heresy novels.
Some do go hard, and other...
I'll go in D tier.
I'll be honest, I have thought about doing an art project with some artists where we basically just redesign the Horrors Heresy novels,
and kind of modern, slash, how, you know, a lot of the community, they're really good and talented artists, so...
I mean, today, I'm not sure how many of this is gonna be S tier, but we'll have to see.
Can I say something that might be pretty controversial out the gate?
Okay.
I hate the Horrors Rising cover.
I hate how everyone is in that cover.
They look like Plato.
They look like Gurp people.
I like the False Gods one.
I like the False Gods one, but I don't like the Horrors Rising one.
I think False Gods is even worse to me.
False Gods has a nice, like, classic look, though.
It has, but the composition is like, it's just a bunch of bodies.
It's kind of nice, though.
Whereas like Galaxy in Flames, you can see, like, a focal character, you've got a guy with his helmet off.
Are we able to zoom in any bit more?
Just like a little bit.
It might not work.
It's a bit smushed.
That's right. I think Galaxy in Flames...
I like the green.
It's slightly nicer. I do think it is C to this one, unfortunately.
Fulgrim deserves better.
It's definitely better than Horrors Rising.
I don't know why I... I just hate Horrors Rising's...
Yeah, no, that is...
I think False Gods deserves more.
Fulgrim...
Fulgrim looks icky. That's not the cover Fulgrim deserves.
It's just...
Is he even on the cover?
Those are just iron hands, bro!
It's like, Fulgrim's the favorite on the cover!
There's not a single Emperor's Children in that cover.
Which is like a Scooby-Doo by Tex.
Flight of the Eisenstein, though.
That one is slightly cool.
We're actually missing half the cover because it does flip around.
I know the other part of the Flight of the Eisenstein one
has a Nurgle Demon more like...
Yeah, that one.
I think that's Beatis.
To be fair, the front of the cover is what they're advertising.
It's the cover of the book.
It's what they want you to see most, not the back.
The actual cover doesn't make any sense lore-wise.
Because that's so lendessious.
And he's infected with the Rot.
But he never gets to fight a Greater Demon.
He just gets possessed by one.
And it's like, why are the Imperial Fists here?
It's a weird cover.
It doesn't make sense lore-wise.
I think...
I put Flight of the Eisenstein in B, though.
It'll be low B.
But compared to the other ones...
It looks cool.
Descent of Angels, I think, is a B tier.
I like it.
Descent of Angels is pretty...
I mean, there are better ones of it.
They're Dark Angels.
When we get further on in the whole heresy, the covers do get a lot better, which is nice.
Maybe a C tier even.
Yeah, C tier.
Legion, I think, is A tier.
Legion is A, just because it's...
Legion should at least be A tier.
Compared to the rest of them, yeah.
That art goes so hard where he's walking down the line of soldiers.
It looks gigantic, too.
Almost S tier.
Almost, to be fair.
I would vote S tier, but I'm not passionate enough about it to be like, it needs to be S tier.
I can settle.
Battle for the Abyss. I've actually not even read...
I like Recover, but it's just not done well.
I don't remember very well.
Because you've got the Thousand Sun, you've got the Ultramarine, you've got the Raven Guard.
That's a cool idea.
You know what? Top of C.
The execution's not great, because the colors are all mixed.
I can't really see what's going on.
There's a guy in the way.
It's just a bit...
I'm going to be right back.
I'm going to go get some water and get an egg.
You get the Thousand Sun before I get back.
Thousand Sun is D tier.
Look at that guy's chicken arms, dude. It's freaking ridiculous.
Oh, dude.
I hate Magnus' doodle arms.
I'd also don't like...
I'm assuming that's Ehrman up front.
No, it's not him.
It's a sorcerer.
He looks how Space Marines would probably look moving their arms up and down.
Unfortunately, that's very goofy and chunky looking.
Oh, Crimson Glory is put egg.
Also, Colin, do you want to read that one out just for the rest of it?
Sure. Thank you for the 50 bucks, Crimson Glory.
Thank you, Crimson Glory.
Egg, Marathi versus Sylvaneth, I'm assuming.
There's only one true Goth elf mommy. Love you all.
It's Marathi.
You degenerates.
Quite simple.
Just people who are listening, we are doing the cover arts, not just the books this time, because I'm not going to lie.
That will take a long time to...
That will be a full...
If we were doing the books, I would just be leaving.
Yeah.
You would learn which ones to get, though.
Mechanicum's top of B, I think.
I put it maybe A.
Again, it's really simple, but it's got some flair to it.
It does what it...
It's like, Mechanicum, look at that guy.
Look at that weird Gatling gun on his arm.
Done. You don't have to be too flashy with it.
Another donation by Chin Big.
Good name.
I read Genefather recently, and good God, I knew he was a heretic, but Jesus Christ, the crap that's done in that book is insane.
Yes, Fabius Bial.
And then call his meme.
I don't know why I stopped saying...
I didn't swear there. I might have had my quota.
Yes, people playing Egg.
Flight of the Eggstein.
Tales of the Heresy.
I want to give him more minus points because it's an anthology book and it's not actually a proper novel.
And it makes Angren look weird.
He just looks like a chunky guy.
It's below Galaxy in Flames.
It's legible, but it's not.
But he kind of looks like a football fan in armor.
I don't know. Sorry about it.
He doesn't look right.
He's a bit wide. He looks short.
Yeah, I don't like it.
Fallen Angels.
It's a little bit hard to kind of tell what's going on.
It's a bit cluttery.
But it is... I'd say it's top of C though.
It's better than this.
The art is better.
I put Scent of Angels above Battle.
Nemesis.
Nemesis actually is a good cover art.
This is like the proper, just basically Imperial Assassins.
I want to put it like here.
Because it's again, you know what you're getting in for with each of these covers.
It's a shame the book is not worth the
Mechanicum should be better though.
I think Mechanicum 1 is better to be honest.
But it's just the cover art specifically.
I think it's better than Nemesis.
First Heretic, this is S tier.
Just because it's a Chaos possessed fighting...
I got a donation by the way from Nick Swanson.
Sylvaness for World of Warcraft.
A thousand eggs, DJ Beast.
So where are we putting first Heretic?
That's my first S tier one.
Just because the...
If that's S tier, then Legion's S tier.
Don't rank it S tier because of who's in it.
No.
Maybe top of A.
I think it is.
It's a Custodian battling a...
That doesn't matter.
It doesn't look...
Legion is so cool.
It's not as clear as these ones.
Is that an arm? Is that a claw?
Cook the egg? Cook the egg?
I don't know what that is.
If something else, keep it in A to annoy Custodians fans.
Frostbred Burns is...
That one's quite nice.
It's alright that one. It's nice.
It's definitely better than Magnus and his noodle arms.
It's not A tier.
I think it's B just because of its lack of use of color.
It's a problem with Space Wolves art where it's all blue and white.
Yeah, gray.
I get it though.
Age of Darkness.
It's cool but it's...
There are better ones though. Of Horus.
I'd say it does the job of legibility.
So I want to put it above first Heretic.
But it is a bit weird looking.
Honestly, if I had the money, I would just make an art book of...
I said earlier, just let artists have a massive crack at redoing all the main Horus Heresy books in their art style.
It would go so much harder.
The thing is, with stuff like Horus, there's so many artworks of just him standing imposingly now.
That kind of already exists now with that particular design.
You could slap the ones who are like the Horus Heresy card game.
If you take any of those and put that on the cover, that would be a better cover.
Harry Ballantyne says, I like everything about the Imperium except Space Marines.
Good man.
That's fair. It's an opinion.
We have some from ZanZero.
He has his opinions on those amazing looking Nightlords minis. They certainly are amazing.
Am I a little bitter that we got Nightlords guys before Noisemarine plastic kits still? Yes, but it's okay.
We have a donation from Leelouch.
Thank you for the $10A. Is that Australian dollars? I don't know.
Thank you.
Just tuned in. Miss the Skaven tier list, but I love my rat boys.
Almost finished painting my Skaven army.
I have 80 clans.
Jeez, dude. I love that.
I died a slight breeze. Thank you, sir.
I love painting Skaven.
Thank you very much, Leelouch.
We have Crimson Glory. He has it.
Crimson Glory put him up so you guys could run.
If we get some egg support in the chat, then you'll see the egg soon.
The Outcast is dead. This one is Thunder Warrior. I don't think it's nicer, but there's something interesting going on about it.
It's unique compared to the others. We're in an alleyway. We're wearing weird Thunder Warrior stuff.
I don't think it draws you in quite as much, though.
Look at this frail old man with a weird goofy head.
Cool.
It's not very pleasing to look at.
Deliverance Lost. Honestly, despite what is in the book, the cover is actually quite cool, to be fair.
The cover is better than the book, so give it credit.
It's above Nemesis. I put it above Nemesis because it's a primal.
Can we agree on something, though?
The other book with Core-X on the cover, I think that art is much cooler.
Oh, his Prime Mark.
His lightning claws stretched out and everything.
I think he's bottom of eights here.
I'm just saying, wherever that one goes, the other one needs to go higher.
I have egg reaction.
No, no fear. This one is actually pretty...
We had to zoom in. This might be the first S-tier one.
The only thing is, it's a really cool idea, but again, the execution is a bit iffy.
It's not... I don't mean none of it per... but it is Gilliman smashing a guy in space.
I'm going to vote S-tier just for...
S-S-tier.
I love that one.
It is cool, though. It's actually really hard to find...
Why did we put the custodian up there?
I am still with you, Colin. I'm still with you.
You can put it into BT, then. I'd be okay with that.
Yeah, buddy. Cool.
I think the background color is annoying. It should be green.
It's an awesome book, though.
The only thing is, at least with the green, it's contrasting with the red, so you can kind of see a bit better.
It's when you hit stuff like the one next to it, it's just... I can't tell what's going on.
For people listening as well, if you're like, I don't know where the Horus Heretic seems so intimidating,
honestly, you can actually just start at either Horus Rising or First Heretic.
If you want to skip the actual heresy part, just go to First Heretic.
Do you know what my first book was?
Which one was it?
Frostburied Burns.
That's a weird place to start.
I know. I think that might have been my first one too, actually.
But there are some books like that one where they're self-contained, and canonically, it's very early on,
and it actually predates some of the other books.
So it's like, actually, it's not a bad place to start.
And there are some books like that where Descent of Angels is another one where it's self-contained.
It doesn't really have a bearing on the majority of the Horus Heresy books, but it's like,
if you want to try it, you can do that one, you could do that one, you could do a few of them.
I'll save some of this for when we go just slightly through, because again,
if we do a tier list of where we talk about the actual books, that will take an entire two hours.
Oh yeah.
The Prime Arts was an anthology one.
It's nothing special.
That whole artwork is the most iconic artwork of the Prime Arts, I feel like.
It's like the Last Supper, but for Warhammer.
I think it's got to go here then.
Someone said their first book was War of Armageddon.
That is a crazy...
That book is the most...
It deals well with scale in terms of you actually feel like a very, very small...
As a space marine, you kind of feel like, oh, we're from that perspective.
Carl, Crimson Glory, you've done it.
Crimson Glory's $20, thank you, sir.
Egg, end for the group.
Marathi from Warhammer or Sylvaness, Sylvanus from Warcraft.
Who is the best goth elf mommy?
We all know what the call is.
I've already made my...
I haven't played World of Warcraft.
I know who that is.
I haven't either, but I know the characters.
I do know what we're talking about.
Theatr Tread is the next one.
This is...
It's not Scott, it's Kabanda and Sanguineous.
I think it could have been cooler.
I think it should be slightly more zoomed out, but it is cool, this one.
If you actually own the book and you look at it in person, it looks cool.
And everyone in chat, please let us know if you have the same start book as me for the Horus Heresy.
Which is, have not read it.
They can't do all the rap battles, but they can do all Horus Heresy novels.
Truly, we live in a society.
We, in fact, live in a society.
Do you think, Colin, you actually will just straight up read a Horus Heresy before you think at this point?
I'm going to be honest at this point.
I miss the hype because it's almost over.
And like I've said before, it's like I have the same opinion I have about the Horus Heresy as I do CRPGs.
The books can be as great or as bad or whatever as they want.
I don't care for Space Marines.
This is the Space Marine series.
Nothing is going to make me want to read it.
The next one is Shadows of Treachery.
It's annoying because this one is actually much better zoomed out.
The bit that is zoomed in on there is, because actually it's like Imperial Fist like breaching into a Iron Warriors ship.
Just another Punching in Space, which is cool.
Ooh, Eddi.
Kitchard Bratland for HH.
Just read the Khan books. You don't need anything else.
I thought you should know of that Khan.
The Scars.
It's not Horus. No, no.
Not the thing of the Jack of the Can Prime Art book, sorry.
That one is actually pretty...
You can just read the Primarch novels.
You said the Primarchs are quite self-contained and they're fun.
They're a different kind of urban book series though.
And they don't really tend to be in that era.
It's all like, here's my origin or here's a thing I did.
And they're usually great crusade era.
So you can listen to them and be like, oh, that's a fun story.
And it's again, self-contained.
Angel Exterminate.
Honestly, Fulgur looks kind of goofy in the back.
Yeah, he looks... you can't even see him.
He looks weird.
I honestly think it's top of B.
The thing that holds it back again is the weird green color they chose for it.
But again, at least it does the job of contrasting a bit with it.
It could have been a better pick, but it gives it that unique,
oh, it's a weird alien world.
And when you see it zoomed out and the Emperor's children are in there,
like, pinky-purple, it really contrasts well.
The full artwork of that goes very hard.
Betrayer is S tier. 100%.
Like one of the coolest covers in the whole series, I think.
Maybe the coolest one is top of S tier.
I'd say it's better than Thea No. No, No, Thea.
No, No, Thea.
Thea, No, No.
Even when it's zoomed out, it's just that...
It's so difficult to read about Kalf.
Like, oh...
The Battle for Kalf is a weird read to find.
Mark of Kalf.
Unfortunately, this one is a bit mid.
It's got that, again, I know they're all kind of computer generated.
I say C, actually.
It's next to fallen angels.
Yeah, it's weird.
But you look at, for example, the two here,
it's like, Solon looks way better than Reus.
But Mark of Kalf came way later than The Flight of the Isenstarr.
It's like years.
Even just the detail in the armour, it's so muddy and colourless.
And then you've got this.
It is an anthology, to be fair, we should say.
Which, anthology one seems to be a bit weird.
Vulcan Lives.
It's a good one.
I wouldn't say it's... Is it better than Legion?
Is it better than Legion?
Legion? I'd still like Legion.
I think, yeah, I'd bump up Legion.
Yeah, bump up Legion.
It is also one of the best horse, seriously, books.
I wish I could just do our Faris tomorrow.
As a book.
Just because of how good the...
Reading out Legion one is the proper, like, let him cook moment in Muhammad's stuff.
Oh, Unremitting Empire, this one is S-tier.
Because it's Sanguineous and the Giliman and the whole of Krag City.
They look goofy.
I need to say again, you're thinking too much about how cool it is in the lore.
We're looking at the artwork right now.
No, I actually like the cover. I generally like the cover.
They look like they're like toy soldiers.
Do you like the cover because of the art or do you like it because it's Sanguineous and Giliman?
The book is actually, funnily enough, not the best.
Back up 15 more squiggly lines, thank you, sir.
Kind of a random question, but who would you want to be the next big bad slash goods after Terenas?
For me, it's either Orcs or Eldar.
Dude, I want the Orcs to be the main threads.
Eldar the big bad?
You said big bad or good.
Yeah, I'd say Necrons.
They deserve that spot.
I just want to see an alliance between the Drukhari and the craft worlds.
Just because at some point they're going to go, right, we've got to do something.
That's what Necrons are supposed to be.
And you have the friction between those two factions.
Like, I don't like how you're skinning that civilian, but I kind of need you.
And that would be a really interesting way to bring the Eldar back as a unified force of like,
we've got the nice boys and the hot topic nasty people as well.
And the Imperium's like, Giliman's there going, I'm not happy of Reyn.
What do you want me to do?
Well, I'm glad you said you've Reyn because that could have been the Inari books, but unfortunately.
Yeah.
Skars, Jack of Tycon roaring at you.
To be honest, the art itself when it's zoomed out again, it's cool having all the white gods beating each other up.
And it looks better than some of the...
I think it looks better than Unremembered Empire and...
It's a little bit unsaturated, funny enough.
I think a lot of them have that.
That's why I actually like the Unremembered Empire one, because actually it's full of colour and it stands out a lot more.
I'm actually not... it's not my favourite book in The Horrors of Heresy, although Giliman is pretty good.
I also don't like how in that cover you can see the scale difference, but the little guys are kind of hard to...
they're easy to miss where you're like, oh, you know...
Yeah, like little humans.
I still don't think that cover deserves A tier even.
I'm a big fan of it. I'm a big fan of it.
It's better than Deliverance Lost.
No, it's way more legible. Look at that.
Yeah.
I like the colour, it's just they have janky faces.
Again, look at the difference in the faces.
I agree to disagree.
What's happened?
Poor old Korrax's face though, it's like ugly.
Don't mention Korrax.
No, it's not.
This one's pretty cool.
I just read this book. I think it's better than The Age of Darkness.
Is it S tier though?
I think it's pretty iconic.
Top of A tier for me.
Definitely top of A.
It's again, it suffers with the problem of desaturation in the background.
And super zoomed in.
I think the only problem I have with it is it's one of those pieces of artwork that really makes you appreciate how Space Marines would really look inside their armor because Horus is an egg.
Speaking of egg, there's one egg here.
Is there anyone who isn't Crimson Glory who would like to contribute to the egg one?
You guys are just going to keep emptying this guy's bank account for your own pleasure.
Now, as much as this book kind of sucks, the cover is cool.
It's like a bunch of Iron Hands Salamanders fighting like aliens.
It is better than... Is B tier.
It is in B tier at least.
Yeah, bottom of B I think though.
Yeah, I think B tier is serving.
It's cool design.
It's not as crap as C tier.
I know there is an iconicness to the way they do the text slab, but on here, it really doesn't do that piece of art any favors.
An anti egg fund.
Do you know how I know this actually this cover art is better than it deserves to be?
Is because it actually makes the look, the book, like you want to read it and you don't want to read that book because it's honestly a waste of time and it actually doesn't contribute at all to the Horus heiress.
It's like a self-contained book.
It's like a really forgettable book.
Legacies of Betrayal zoomed in on a few as Lucius, Karn.
For the character, for the for the tier of characters they have on that cover, it's not as good as it should be.
I think it's probably like here.
Yeah.
Because at least they're legible.
Harry wants to pay for me to not eat the egg.
Well, Crimson donated like a hundred dollars, bro.
It's going to cost you, man.
The egg is probably happening today.
I'm not going to lie.
Deathfire.
This is a cool one.
It is a cool one.
This one, to be fair.
Fire.
I can like a lot of them I do wish.
It's got fire and they have a hammer.
Yeah.
I wish it was a little bit more legible.
Yeah.
Just a tiny bit more, but it is still cool.
Oh, my boy, Yasu guy.
That's an iconic look.
Again, like zoomed out picture is cool, but it doesn't drive me crazy this one, but it's legible.
It's super legible.
That's again with the thing like artists need to either like downplay how bulky Space Marine armor is or they need to like modify it like with the Space Marine game where they made it a little bit thinner.
Crimson, bro, bro, please.
When you see it like that, it's like, thank you.
That's thank you, Crimson for the twenty dollars.
Egg exclamation mark and which 40k series has the best audio books.
I mean, Horace Heresy is pretty hard to pretty hard to do anything about.
Horace Heresy, though, is only one voice actor per book, whereas I really like the watches.
Is it Watches of the Throne?
Throne.
They have multiple people voicing characters.
They have like three or four.
That's really good.
This is Valerian.
Kane has a Kane has his audio books, too.
Those are solid.
And there are the on Audible, you can also get like audio drama collections which have like the sound effects, multiple actors like there's a really good one with I think it's the Knights Errant series and it's the bit where Garbiel Oaken is being imprisoned on Caliban and Luthor is there.
You can hear the rattling of the chains in his cell and the rain hitting the brickwork and it's like, oh, it's so immersive.
And yeah, I love that stuff.
And ironically, though, it's not 40k, but the audio drama of anything with got trick in it because Brian Blessed is Brian Blessed.
I think Crimson Glory is empty half his bank account at this point.
I think he deserves an egg.
I'm not going to lie.
Should we get to the end?
Golden Arm with the five is that a euro?
Crimson's not alone.
Thank you, Golden Arm.
I can't miss their dedication.
Okay, I don't think we should make them wait for the end of the egg.
I think you don't want to wait to the end.
While you're cracking it, do we want to go through Pharaohs?
We'll have large numbers, throw enough eggs and one will land in the guy's mouth.
There'd be egg in Eli's house.
I don't know if he'd live so or else I would.
Oh my gosh.
Jesus.
I don't want to.
Why'd you volunteer yourself for this, dude?
Hey, the man donated. I have water this time.
Yeah, be careful.
Good. That's big.
I'll eat some nuts with solidarity.
I'm not full. I'm not hungry anymore, but here you go.
Oh, oh, oh no.
What?
You're the best.
Egg time.
Around. Nothing's going to happen.
Nothing can be done.
You just eat that whole thing.
The whole shell.
Oh, oh no.
Is that your last egg?
No, no, no.
No spit take.
All right.
Oh my God.
Just water in here.
It's real.
The egg is real.
Not even.
Wow. Thank you.
Egg in the chat, please. Egg in chat.
That was much, much better than last time.
That was still so horrible.
I had to suck down the yolk like three times.
There was just more and more.
Oh my. Okay.
That was for you, Crimson Glory.
That was for you, bro.
Thank you, Crimson Glory.
And everyone else who was donated to the egg.
Bokken egg.
Was you. Great googly moogly.
And now it's for you to speed through the rest of these.
So you look at me.
How I make his bed fun to hold again.
Well, his car has the fullest kitchen table in his bedroom.
Fuck you.
Oh God.
Right.
Farros.
Look at this chunky boy.
What is with you, Andy?
He's so, wait, hold on.
Can you honestly say there is a more iconic like chunk in any art.
Look at that chunky boy.
I think he just really like his.
And I like how you can see the difference between the normal and the big hand.
So it's not like, oh, he's got his actual hands.
Oh look, you can see a clear distinction.
It's well framed.
It's got great contrast in the background.
Future Crimson fist.
Hero pose.
Laurel reef.
It's great. It's perfect.
He's so chunky.
He's like an egg.
Thank you.
Harry Valentine saying you didn't expect to hit the chewing of the egg.
Hmm.
A little bit came up on the lip.
I don't know.
I think Farros is.
Is very much.
I don't think it's better than the no, no fear.
Gilliam and smacking a guy.
I mean, that's.
Yeah.
The idea and a call of pose, but the execution is not as good.
Cause it's like, what's going on?
I can't see.
I think.
I think no, no fear is better.
Cause there's.
Yeah.
No, no fear.
No, no fear is like one of the memes where it's like dudes will look at this and just
say, hell yeah.
And then like, yeah, hell yeah.
Well, then they can see what every reply is.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm saying.
Farros is not a hell yeah.
They want you to say hello.
Colin.
By the way.
I mean, I'm happy to do halo.
Or.
I'm happy to do halo.
Awesome.
Goblin guy.
There is, there is a rewind button, bro.
It's okay.
There is a rewind button for the stuff.
Five.
Just go back.
Five minutes ago.
You can't.
I have terror.
I wish this one was more legible.
Cause it's the emperor and Horace fighting.
It's the emperor and Horace together.
There's too much.
I can't really.
I'd say it's above shadows.
Primark.
Is it.
It's also kind of weird.
Cause it makes horse look like a good guy.
He's like wreaths and white light.
Oh, this is, this is set.
That's when he was.
This is another.
Anthology.
This is, this is.
Yeah.
Another anthology.
And that's, that's the only opening short story that actually features them in it.
The rest of them are all completely different.
But it is Horace and the emperor fighting a massive.
Can you, can you think of different things for me to eat next time?
I'll go buy a cube of wasabi or something, bro.
It's like the eggshell is just not very, what did it mean?
The eggs good for me though, to be fair.
So.
Path of heaven.
I don't know if we're just going to go, this is the calm fighting a sonnish demon.
It's okay.
It's the sonnish demon.
This wasn't looking that Sonnishy weirdly enough.
It's like, it's kind of like, it's like, it's like de-saturated and red.
Yeah.
But look at that.
It's the old, it's the old model though.
It's the old key, like metal keeper secrets model.
I do love it though.
It is cool though.
Just cause of his pose and the action.
You can see what's going on.
You can see the size difference.
I'd put it just below scars because of scars legibility.
Cause again, the details good.
He has a bit of a weird face, but then he's also got this massive tattoo.
So you're like fair enough.
Yeah.
It's a weird point as well in that book to have that as the cover, cause that's like
the very last five minutes and the rest of the book is more Tarian versus the kind of
clickbaity.
Yeah.
Try some.
Consumer Nergo model.
No, I do not want plastic in my digestances.
There's already enough of that in all of our blood.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
It's not, it doesn't go crazy, but it is legible.
I like the guy, I like the guy holding the gun.
Oh, that's his, uh, Sevarian space wolf.
No more eating the monolith.
I remember that meme from last time.
He's also in, um, the outcast dead background somewhere.
Yeah.
It was either way.
It's Sevarian.
The one who gets, yeah.
Someone says he gets his, is he the one who basically Horace, you know, I don't want to
spoil it, but, um, Horace does the two pronged attack on him.
I think it was another one, the lunar wolves.
This is like the latest biker who becomes one of the gray nights.
Rank which Horace books you would prefer to eat.
Okay.
I need all of the Salamanders books because they're shorter ones, I guess.
If I could eat a Salamanders book that prevents someone from reading it.
Honestly, shadows of treachery.
Cause that's like small.
Praetorian of Doran.
I would eat every copy of Praetorian of Doran just to get it out.
Eat all the law crimes members.
Oh, 20 dogs from Crimson glory again.
Bless you, sir.
You keep, you're keeping law crimes alive.
You are the best at, you are the best at Eli.
Go get tested for Salman Noah.
And if I say egg again, it's more for, it's for the meme, not for you to eat another one.
Also, Colin, you should check out the band shadow of intense.
The album Reclaimer is not a halo band.
Sounds like it.
So all I'm saying is raw eggs, the Eurystivian Salmon, I was pretty low.
It's 99%.
Thank you.
That is fine.
We got pretty good eggs over here too.
One Brussels sprout for every $10.
I don't know if that's punishment.
If it's cooked, it's enjoyable.
Oh, Angel of the Callibans.
This is S tier.
S tier, Angel of the Callibans, Conrad Kurz.
Okay.
Well, wait, lion, the lion looks really goofy in this.
He does.
But the, he looks really goofy.
But it is cool.
What's his name from?
But what's, what's the night?
What's Conrad doing?
He's got his.
He's just scoured in across his arm.
He's like, eh.
I think it's S tier.
It's like the lion has a bad like shave for some reason.
He's got facial hair.
No, no, no.
Barbara fucked him up and Conrad is going for like a Dragon Ball Z punch out.
It's, okay, it could look good, but it's still, it's still cool.
It's vegetable.
You made an Eli egg meme.
Where do you post?
Instagram.
And Delos for the Dark Lords says my Instagram.
I'll pull it up.
Which 40k character would you realistically subdue and consume like that egg?
What?
He phrased you, Kila.
I, huh.
What?
I don't know.
I.
Why you?
Like a taker.
Who would I, who would I consume?
Okay.
I don't know, it's just like, you probably despise this book.
Eli, Praetorian of Dawn is still a really good cover.
Oh yeah, it's one of the best covers out there.
It's finally a zoomed in cover of a full art picture that actually was there.
It's top of Estuary, yeah.
It's so good.
It's legible.
Alpharius looks so cool in it.
I like that.
Alpharius does.
The sword is awesome too.
It's not the real Alpharius, bro.
Surely it's not the real one this time, bro.
Fucking Minyamin.
It's like our Skaven voices finally came in.
The people joining now watched the beginning with all the Skaven stuff.
This one kind of looks like if they took a picture of the model.
That one is cooler than the other art of Korraks.
I feel like if they took a picture of the model and just like put it through a computer program and that's the artwork.
People have done art renditions of Korraks that look like incredible.
So it's just, something can be done with Korraks though.
I did see an image recently of like T'Kel and that cover art.
I can't remember which one.
But you can obviously see the blobby CGI version.
So they've obviously like made them in a computer and then they just like paint on top of the models in 3D.
But that also makes it look a bit weird.
Again, someone needs to do a thing.
You've sent me stuff on Instagram before.
I didn't know that was you.
Nice.
That's a good meme.
I don't know if I can really see it.
It says A, consumes like the Dark Souls text.
That's a good one.
Thank you, Mr. DJ.
I wonder if I'll download this.
Angels of Calum beg.
What about Mom?
Mom.
Someone said I would dropkick the lion if someone asked me to.
It wouldn't take a lot of convincing.
What happened, CJ?
This guy's the epic god.
Oh, master of mankind.
S tier, S tier.
Absolute S tier, master of mankind.
I'm going to fight for bottom of S tier though.
No, it's better than the pharaohs.
I need you to hear me out.
The only solidly attention grabbing great thing is the emperor.
It's very good.
It's very well designed.
Those two custodians down there, they look like they're just walking around.
That's a sister of S tier.
I see it more than pharaohs.
All I see is gold.
All I can see is gold on the people in this image.
I hate it.
The sword looks cool, but it kind of looks like fire.
I think if it was zoomed in to the pharaoh a bit more, and then you cut it a bit more.
It's better than pharaohs.
Why are you so chucky?
It's not better than the emperor.
It's absolutely not better than the emperor.
Pharaohs is literally A tier bro.
He's clinging to strings up there.
Andy, I'm with you here.
I love the egg.
I know, he's brilliant.
Honestly, the copium here is being huffed.
I agree.
Colin's just egging it on because of his shit's and giggling.
You are so wrong about this.
This man is out of proportion.
He's built like a fucking pharaoh.
The pharaoh's cool.
What is his arm doing?
What is his left arm doing?
Why is it hanging like that?
He's holding a book.
Why, the book is not that heavy.
Why is he holding it like that?
Alexis Pollock's built like a burst oil barrel drum.
I will give it credit.
That is exactly what I mean when I say they need to change how Space Marine armor looks.
Because that one actually looks like I can see that man moving around and doing things.
As opposed to pharaohs where he is an egg.
But to be fair, like, lore-wise, he had to have bigger armor because he's huge.
He met Gilliam in a high level.
Yeah, so he has like a rigged up.
We took a bit of Terminator armor and he's a bit of a mix.
It's not better than the Master of Mankind.
Just because you like the character.
No, the Master of Mankind book cover is way better than the pharaoh's.
No, I agree with you, Hal.
Just look at the hands between the two.
Well defined.
I'm also going to see it.
Can't see it.
Even if there's a reason for something being goofy, that doesn't make it not goofy.
He can have all the reason he needs to have his big chunk armor.
He still has big chunk goofy armor.
His arm doesn't look like it can move past this point.
It gets stuck here.
He's like one of those punchy robots.
It shouldn't even be an S tier, but if it's in the S tier, it should be a boss.
No, pharaoh should be boss of S tier.
That looks stupid as hell and I'm here for it.
What about Garo? Where's Garo going?
I can leave him there. I can live with that.
I think he should be above here, because again, it's that.
If you ask most people, they're going to say that, like, most people who don't even know Warhammer,
they're going to say Angel of the Caliban looks way better as a cover than Garo.
And modern mankind is way better than pharaohs.
Honestly.
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This is a cool one. I like this one.
I wish this book was slightly harder.
Why does he have an orange blob for a head?
They're all... they're a gun flare.
It's kind of obnoxious.
It's not S tier as a book cover.
It's A tier, I think. I think it's A tier.
Somewhere in A tier.
You know what? It's underneath Unremembered Empire, at least.
It's like at the very bottom of A tier. But it's better than the Horus one.
Again, it's too far out to see what's going on.
I wish that one was better, because that book is actually kind of good.
Oh, this one though. Geez. I can't.
This one is D.
I can't even...
You can't even... It's actually just way too zoomed in and so...
The proportions are also so weird.
I put it above A Thousand Suns, at least, because he has better than the stupid...
But it makes it look like his legs are like a quarter of his size.
He's just a squat.
He's like sitting down in doing his spell or something.
He's a botan.
I feel like that should be above just because of the color contrast.
Maybe we were too harsh on Fulgrim.
Maybe it's... I think Crimson King is below Horus Rising.
The Iron Hands guy in Fulgrim looks pretty cool, not gonna lie.
Tank. Tellarm. Easy B tier.
Oh, that's an A tier, bro. That looks cool.
At least B tier. It's just a tank. It's just cool.
It's not trying to be... It's just cool. It's a big tank.
Is it better than...
It's B tier even.
Are you telling me it's better than Angel Exterminatus, Heretic, or War Without End?
Harry Ballington says...
It's the only one that's just tank.
And you're like, oh cool. Tank.
And you know exactly what you're gonna get.
Compared to all the other covers, if all the covers of the books are in front of a regular person, they aren't gonna go tank.
And the thing is as well, it doesn't have that uncanniness of having a face.
It's like, oh, it's a tank. And I could imagine that as a real looking tank.
When you look at the horus, they look so skippable.
They look so goofy.
I'm not gonna lie, the book looks so skippable.
You look at Perderaba with his nose tubes and you're like, I don't know.
It was like, oh, tank.
Of all the things I could get someone to read a Warhammer book, it would not be that cover.
From before I got into Warhammer and I was looking at all these Horus Heresy novels and I don't know what the hell I was looking at,
I would look at some of the faces like Horus Rising, some of the other ones, and be like, these faces look horrendous.
I don't want to read these because it looks so bad.
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Oh, this one, Ruins of Miss D is actually the bottom of D.
The Lion looks, it's the most horrific book cover.
Do they use a computer program to make it?
Can we zoom in on that one?
I might be able to find it later on, but I saw one where it's literally, you can see the kind of blobby, chunky versions.
And they obviously take the models and then they paint them afterwards.
I'll see if I can find it.
I hate the lion's beard there. Why is it black?
Yeah, it's so horrific.
These can't get the lion right in any of his art work, too.
Apart from the new book, The Lion, Some of the Forests, I guess.
The thing is though, yeah, that's new lion.
But when you like, see the zoomed out version.
How do you have a black beard and blonde hair?
I mean, because Gilliman looks fine to an extent.
Sanguineous looks okay.
And when it's zoomed out, you see all the demons rushing in.
It's all like on one side of a big landscaping.
Oh, it looks good.
And then, oh no, Lion, why have you got a beard?
It's a crime against war, Hallow.
That is a law crime.
It's more of a personal gripe.
I don't like when, pardon me, Sanguineous has like the curly hair.
What's going on here? Oh, God.
We zoomed in too much. There we go.
We went too deep.
We went all the way to the bottom for some reason.
Old Earth is the next one.
Old Earth.
As much as I don't like the book, the cover is still nice though.
The cover's good.
Compared to the other Primarchs with this style of art, he looks nice.
I'd say it's better than the primarchs.
It's better than Deathfire, surely.
It does still just look like they took a picture of the model.
Yeah.
It's got that 90s PC cinematic look.
It's a little bit unoriginal, but it's still nice.
Yeah, but it serves its function for a book cover.
To be fair, when you look at the armor and stuff, you're like,
oh, that's actually quite nice.
I like the textures.
Oh, look at the helmet.
Oh, that's a cool right there.
A little bit of weirdness on his left-hand side.
There's like an uncanny, unhelmeted son of Amanda.
He looks a bit funky.
One of his own.
I don't remember his name.
Next one.
S-tier.
This S-tier.
It's nice.
Yeah, that's awesome.
That is awesome.
It's like a whole lot of...
Titans robots.
I own that book.
I actually have that book.
Have you read it?
Solely because big robots on the cover.
No, I haven't.
It does go hard, that one.
Titans is one of the few things in Warhammer where it's actually genuinely iconic in terms
of...
And these ones in particular, they have really nice...
Oh, look, there's some yellows, some reds, some blues.
It's like a lot of the newer stuff, it's all like, it's just one color.
It's kind of grimy.
It's like, this is just kind of goofy.
Like, I built this in my... I've got my Legos together kind of thing.
It's like, oh, it's weird looking.
It's how you're supposed to be.
Do you remember at Warhammer the first, there was that guy who had that massive Titan, the
really huge one next to the play park with all the other Titans?
That was that Titan, basically.
I gotta be honest.
That was crazy.
I would never do it, but no small part of me wanted to just start kicking.
It was like, it was five foot tall, this Titan.
It was like a two scale Imperator Titan.
It was literally, never speak to me or my son again, kind of...
It was pretty big.
How did he carry it around?
Forklift, probably.
Honestly, this one is...
It's actually nice.
It's actually really super legible.
That's a little bit higher up than it deserves, I think, but it is cool.
It's another one where they managed to zoom in on a bigger piece of artwork and not ruin it.
Yeah.
The only thing is, I don't like what's the green with the silver.
I hate his armor in this one because there's not much stuff.
I actually like his shoulder.
I actually like that.
I don't mind it, but it's just like, why is there bits of green and it's all one color
and it kind of looks like he's not been painted.
It's like an unpainted model look.
I'm like, what is going on?
Also, he's blonde in that, but then in the books he's ginger.
Yeah.
So...
Leeman's always changing.
His hair color is not consistent in any of the books.
Oh, his luscious gold, brown, ginger hair.
That's pretty cool.
Oh, I don't think I've even read...
I don't even know this one.
It's all right.
But it's a Salamander book.
I think it's an anthology of Salamander stories, so it's like...
I like it more than whatever the other folk...
I don't think it's...
It's not above the Jagatai one, surely.
Really?
I think it's pretty good.
It's a book cup.
Actually, no, maybe it's about the same, to be fair.
It's got that legibility.
It's got nice colors.
It's got a bit of contrast.
It's nice and centered.
It is nice.
It is nice, yeah.
It's nice.
Shame about the book.
Shame.
When people have been asking my comments about, will you do a Vulcan video?
I'm like, you know what?
I think I should do it, but then I have to read the Salamander novels.
And honestly, I do struggle to bring my...
I'm actually going to cover Gillamond way before I ever...
Gillamond, Dorne, any loyalist before...
Even Korax way before Vulcan.
It's a shame as well, because a lot of the Salamander's characters are all kind of the
same character.
They're just good boys.
You should do what Dad says.
There's no difference.
They need a...
I hate to call him one out, but the author who's in charge of that, I don't know what
ideas he's got for Salamander's.
I don't think anyone who writes Salamanders has good ideas for them.
I haven't read them, but everything I hear about Salamander's books is their bad.
To be fair though, that's not a Salamander problem because White Scar's, who had barely
any lore, were given to the author Chris Wray.
And that guy managed to turn the obscure White Scar's One Note Legion into one of the people's
most...
As in people readers, one of the most favorite legions in the entire horror territory, just
because of the nuance in all those books.
Honestly, if you just read White Scar's books, you would actually be like, oh, this slaps
hard.
And again, it was because he actually found a way to make it good.
Slaves of Darkness, I love this.
I do love this color, because it has all the demon pry marks together.
It's colorful, it's grand, it's got cool designs, they all stick out.
Can we get a zoom in on that one, just possibly?
I don't wanna...
Just as we can.
That one doesn't quite pull off the zoom in as well as the others.
It's a little too much.
Anger on his left.
I appreciate that they're cutting Logar out mostly, but if we could just shift it to the
right a little more, it'd be perfect.
I don't think Wolfsbane is better than Betrayer.
Maybe not.
Please.
It is nice though, if you just, objectively, not just the books though, but like, it does
look nice, Wolfbane.
What is the lore reason Fulgrim is going super sane in that image?
Why is he...
Oh, this is the summoning.
This is the summoning of all of the traitors before they go onto the Sieger terror.
They all mass up Ullanor and they're like, we're gonna do our last push.
Fair enough.
So this is like when Logar went into the warp and went, hey, Fulgrim, can you come with
me?
Can you stop doing the nasty with the other demons I need you?
It was like, anyway...
Just five minutes.
Also, do you wanna Betray Horus?
He's very short.
He's very short in this.
He's smaller than Horus.
I mean, he's kind of spooled up and it is like on a hill.
And you look at like Perderabo, he's behind there and you're like, oh, that's Perty.
He looks tiny.
Perderabo goes so hard in this book, as you want to say.
He beats up demon Angron and like basically just ruins him as a normal Primarch.
I mean, the lion's done it.
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Almost there.
Good looking.
That one's good.
It is nice.
That one's pretty nice.
It's one of the few examples we actually have of Art of Dorne.
And his face looks...
Yeah, this is like when they're just getting the hang of it.
Like, yeah.
He should have a mustache.
That's right, Colin.
It's cool.
There's not a lot going on.
TTS Nailed, Dorne should absolutely have a fucking mustache.
Yeah.
I think I'll get one for the scouring one day.
Titan Death.
This one?
I lied.
I think I made a mistake.
I think that's the book I own.
That one is honestly...
That one is so good.
I think that should go next to the other Titan one.
Yeah.
I think above just because it's like...
It's a walking city.
It's literally a walking city.
I wish it was a bit more to the left and down.
So like, we don't care about this guy.
We just want to see the big guy.
Almost perfect.
I like the little guy.
I like this little guy.
The war hound Titan.
This position.
Yeah, the war hound Titan, the size of a building.
You can see the difference.
Standing off against...
Also, just for people listening, if you have any suggestions for future tier list ones you want us to do.
Again, this one was actually...
This gave one was made from a suggestion from someone.
So we'd listen to your feedback.
And we can make some, but we need to know what to do beforehand.
Because we don't want to spend like an hour again.
Right. Let's put this together on stream so we have to know before.
And we've got some ideas we're thinking of.
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And by far my favorite channel with your URL.
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Last one.
Janko, but when the church comes to you, I don't know if...
Joke that might be referencing...
Because the Titans all have churches on them.
Notre Dame is angry.
I'm very coming to get you.
This one looks weird.
I think that one ends on a resounding mid tier.
I like it.
I can barely see what's going on.
It's just like kind of green.
It's green on green.
That's the trouble with it.
It's just there's no contrast.
Did we have a con walking up the stairs one?
Walking up the stairs.
Oh, the siege of Terra.
I know they're all like siege of Terra, which GW and their infinite We Want Money Wisdom made its own mini series.
Yeah.
Too fair though that siege of Terra does go is downright one of the better.
Like they have some of the S tier books in the entire Warhammer series.
I cheer every time a Primark dies because it's closer to not having to hear about them anymore.
Even Angel Boy in the last one.
Squigged here with...
Yeah, I don't care about Syngwineus.
That's a good one.
I've said that on the channel before.
I'm going to write down the Squigged tier list every night before I go to bed.
I'm going to cheer.
I will stream and cheer when he finally gets his head cut off.
You're going to make me cry.
I know that's not what happened.
No.
It's so sad though.
It's actually cripplingly sad.
Why?
Because Perfect Boy died?
Good for him.
No, it's just like the way he is, his core.
Honestly, ironically, I'm very glad that Ferris Manus died as someone who likes Iron Hand stuff.
Because it's the best thing that ever happened to them in terms of lore.
It's up there, entire problems.
Fantastic.
I get sadder when I...
Oh, sorry.
The thing that still haunts me about it is the bit where they describe in the book his basically headless corpse.
And then they all start picketing at his dead body.
I still think of that.
Even that still to me is like, Jesus Christ, you went a bit far there, mate.
I mean, you can cut his head off, but leave his corpse alone, literally cutting off bits for trophies.
And it's like fucking flop on the floor in front of him.
It's like, leave Ferris's body alone.
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Yeah.
Look, I get sadder when I let a Marine die in a Halo game than I do when I hear about fucking Demi-God with daddy issues dying.
You're my second favorite lore crime channel.
Thanks, buddy.
Thank you.
Oh, my God.
Someone says that.
I cry every time the Elder get a book.
My cheeks are very dry.
Thank you, Nick's nuts.
His tear ducts are just disappearing.
Have you read any of the Eldar books, Colin?
No.
None of them, even the Magic of Eldar enjoy it.
The Path books are apparently really good.
The Path of the War, the Path of the Outcast.
I really want to read them as well.
I own the Path of the Outcast.
I need to get to it.
I did get a collection of Xenos drama books, so I'm assuming there's an Eldar one in there.
I'll have to check what it is at some point.
The Path of the Archon has lots of vect.
Like the books actually have vect in it, which is good.
I feel like I've said that, not even here, just on my own channel.
I like doing surface level stuff because it's easy to digest.
It's fun to talk about.
No one makes a connection.
I just like talking about the cool stuff.
So man doesn't watch movies or read books.
What media does it?
Is it just games at this point?
No.
I love games.
That's why I wish there were more good Warhammer games, because I talk about those a lot specifically.
I feel more involved because I'm the one doing it, if that makes sense.
Although I don't know.
Like I said, some I dive into, like Gottrick and Felix, Caiaphas, Cain.
I read all those.
Oh good.
Yeah, all good.
As a ton of recording as well.
Space Marine 2.
Delayed.
I knew it.
I called it too.
To second half of 2024, which means from July of the Year.
Let them.
As long as it's good, I don't mind if they delay.
Yeah, no.
I mean, at this point with all the times this should have happened, delay it.
I'm sure me and Eli were saying a while ago before a stream, like they said quarter, fourth
quarter of 2023, like we're getting pretty thin on this quarter.
Yeah, seriously.
Yeah.
I mean, that and Dune both delayed.
Oh yeah.
I don't know.
That was the writer's strike.
Like, yeah, I'm like, I mean, I don't, I think I think I'm like, I'm gagging for the movie
or like the game choice.
I'm just looking forward to it.
I do hope, I hope my boys and it's Thousand Sons.
There's been some images leaked on about Thousand Sons being in the game.
So that'll be cool.
Have you seen that new model from the Horus Heresy era?
Yeah.
Again, as a recording, there's a new Horus Heresy Thousand Sons model.
It's not that good though.
Where is it Colin?
Chad is going off right now.
We got some good ones.
We got an epic, cool, awesome Goblin Guy reel.
He's backspace breeding too, he's like the ERB tier list and Garen on his dick.
Angry Homunculus.
They want you to play Rogue Trader.
I hate CRPGs, so that one's already out.
Tier list of Baratheast Toast.
S, S, all the way across.
One of them's a C-tip for the movie.
Jeez, dude.
Again, as a time recording, there's a new Thousand Sons Horus Heresy specific model.
It's all right.
It's not as cool as the White Scar one that came out the other week.
It's okay.
Again, it's a problem.
I have a...
Because I play Thousand Sons and soon, World Eaters, and bro, I need more.
I need so many more.
Give us the option.
I don't know what edition it was, you might know Eli, but you could not bring in demons as allies, but actually as functioning members.
Yeah, that was good, like seventh edition.
That would be so much cooler.
If I could use Cavalistic Rituals with some demon characters.
There was a whole summoning Psychic Discipline that you could do.
It was getting really OP though, so they took it out.
You could just summon free models to the table.
But I want to at some point just randomly bring Kyros Fateweaver to the table, and then also a Lord of Change, and then Magnus, and then just send him the bird flock.
Are there even ally rules in 10th edition? Can you do that?
You can bring them in as allies, but they don't get access to your faction rule.
If you're playing Deathguard, your faction rule is basically you get a sticky objective, and then you can spread a debuff through those units.
So for Deathguard, as having an insanely crappy faction rule and boring as hell, you can bring in allies, it's fine.
But they're not as cheap as your mainline stuff.
But Thousand Sons, if you want to bring in stuff, they always say bring in blue scribes and the changeling, as lone operative characters, to basically make sure your opponent's having less fun.
Because the changeling basically you can stop someone shooting you for a random time, just basically stop them shooting the entire phase, which is fine.
It's like an Iron Hands army, just like, I'm just bringing in a monolith as my ally. Why not?
Mike P5-830 says, I guess it's Aaron Dempsky, Bowden books are really good, but they are weighed down by truly stupid plot lines.
I mean, Warhammer is itself a stupid plot line.
ADG is one of the best writers as well.
He's the guy who wrote, people listening, like First Heretic, Betrayer, and then the Knight Lords trilogy.
Some of the books people actually go like, oh, that's pretty good.
I think a few of the Warhammer people on YouTube said he's fallen off a bit recently. I feel bad. He still did a good book.
Again, we just want, as much as I think Colin does it right, there's so much horror and heresy, and there needs to be a 40k.
But there needs to be a 40k, they tried to do it with, what was that series they're basically wrapping up now?
Dawn of Fire?
Dawn of Fire.
And they had signs of awakening and some other stuff like that.
They've tried to do some stuff with tying it in as a full narrative. I guess the real problem with 40k is they basically are releasing models.
So they basically need to create a storyline so we can release them, basically make the models.
Again, I wish there was something like that where, again, it could tie in lots of the...
Like, the silent king is here. The dude is here. Why is he not in a fucking novel and in a huge series?
The Unari are here. They are...
They were in a planned trilogy that sucked.
As someone who's just done a month of Necron content, I was like, oh, here he comes.
And it was very well done. The amount of people were like, oh, I hope we get an ImoTech versus Sarek Civil War.
I was like, yeah, that'd be great. But there's like five books for Necrons and I've gone through them now.
And they're all good, though.
Thank you also, Chris and Glory. He does Knight Lords quiz when. That's a good idea, actually.
I'm actually doing Knight Lords myself not too long in the future, so I might have some Knight Lords in mind.
Go ahead, Con.
It's because Space Marines and the Imperium are such a large portion of it that is... and I'll leave it as much as I'll bitch about it.
I completely understand why they make so many books focused around it.
It's because the player base for those armies are like a third of the game, like of the player base minimum.
Even like not even counting people that have like the Imperium army and the Xenos army.
It's like Imperium is such a large portion of the game player base that...
With like the Dawn of Fire books, for example, there's one of them where it's like here's a custodian and a Mordian guard and it's like, oh, we can have all these different factions.
It's like, we'll put them all in one book and then you get a slice each.
But it's just a shame. It's like, oh, do we have any Mordian guard models?
No, no.
We used to. The GW killed everything that was in Cadia.
Yeah.
To be fair, someone said like the Cadia novel that just...
They actually did a full of Cadia novel recently and people said like that one.
It's just God, but apparently it's actually like an S tier.
But I will say as well, just a recent example of the Fabius Biel versus Bersaria's Kull novel.
That's such a good opportunity to essentially, you want to bring in other factions or characters like all of these.
It's a winning formula, like smashing things together.
I do want to see almost like we've done here, like a versus thing.
Where is my Ariamon versus Mephiston?
For no lore reason other than it would just absolutely rock my entire world if the most powerful sorcerers or psychers in the entire setting were there.
Or even then, you know...
I just want to see a Mechanicus and Ironhand duo thing.
Just have the Ironhand.
That's the same thing.
That's why it would be like compilating, but then you could also have like what are the differences and you could have a bit of fun with that.
And it's like people, we've just had that big spindly Mechanicus sniper model and they're doing the launch.
Could we just like put a few Ironhands in as well?
I love that goofy thing. I don't care what anyone says.
Yeah, he could be the main character. Stiltsmok Torbjorn.
Someone said, big Peter Dinklage bottom left.
It's Andy. Andy's bottom left.
Okay, that is funny.
You want tier list ideas?
One of games, Necron characters, one of gods, minor Xenos, lore crime episodes.
Lore crimes episodes? That is funny.
Can you imagine if we're like, yeah, this is all F tier.
Yeah, garbage.
I hate it when I talked on screen.
I don't talk too much.
I would go off on a Warhammer God tier list, bro.
You fucking would not shut me up about Sigmar.
Or gods, like just even fantasy as well.
I mean, I think it should be.
That's good I did.
Especially because in 40k there's not many gods doing stuff compared to fantasy where it's a whole pantheon.
If there's all the pantheon as well, you have to do like Two and King pantheon, Eldar pantheon.
Oh, Eldar? Sorry, she's me. Hi Elven pantheon.
That was a close one there.
I think just finishing on the-
I'm gonna guess.
Yeah, it's pretty much his own tier, which is like ego. Ego tier.
I think Jido, they just need more things like just smashing.
Again, there was a slight thing, people complained when Ragnar Blackmane randomly fought Ghaz'Kul.
That's like a bad idea, like example of it.
Just where it's like they have no prior history.
But even then, Belisarius Kul and Fabius Bael having probably never met, but again, they're in that same kind of niche.
Is that a book out?
Yeah, it's out.
I think I need to read it.
People loved it.
It's always good to have a story where it's like to the enemy of my enemies, my friend's story.
I'd love to see a white scar teaming up with the Drukhari to face the Necrons.
Tyranids or something.
Or Tyranids. It's like, right, I hate you.
Kind of what I was saying with the Eldar and the Drukhari, the Krapos and the Eldar.
If you had them like, well, we have to- it's 40k, we have to survive somehow. Team up whoever who would hate each other.
There used to be a lot more of that teaming up stuff, I feel like. Not so much anymore.
Well, they've only done it since the psychic awakening fall of Cadia in recent memory.
But even that was kind of just- it's so annoying that the Eldar are such a dead thread for now.
And I don't think they've got any ideas.
They're humanity's number one ally. As much as people hate hearing that, it's true.
I think there's like- how about we have a story where it's like the Imperium and the Eldar are just like dunking on squats for fun.
Just like, oh, no! No!
Give them a book.
Leave the leaves alone.
That's cool. And it's just them doing the JoJo-me of them stamping on and then all of a sudden like, oh, the mechanic is- fucking stamping on the foot.
Prolief the squats, B.
I mean, I even think it just- an actual team up that did happen is it- not the 13th Black Crusade, but the 12th Black Crusade was basically Eldar and Imperium versus Abaddon.
And that's just like a, you know, juicy thread. Like, go for it. I don't- and also Tyranids now.
Tyranids and Necrons should be like- someone and Necrons versus Tyranids should be a thing.
Vulcan, Hastan, and Trazin looking for the same artifact and at the end having to fight over the artifact of Vulcan. That'd be a fun story.
I don't think they're on the same power level.
Well, Hastan's bested him twice in combat because he was like, can I have your spear? He's like, no, fuck off. And he beat him off.
And then he gave him the spear tip first.
Yeah, yeah. But you could have a story about, we found one of the last few artifacts and Trazin's like, well,
I've got pocket dimensions. You could go through that high fleet with your 20 men or make an arrangement.
Give me your entire collection.
Or have a third party involved. You could have loads of fun with it.
Commander Cosis brings up a good point. They brought back an entire faction with no book.
Yeah.
It is truly unbelievable what they did.
I mean, I did watch Arthur's video recently talking about how much he loves the faction, but he's like, they released it right at the end of an edition.
With no law and now there are no models.
And it's like, yeah, great. They have less rules.
Just get Power Miners Lego. Just get Power Miners Lego and you'll be happy, okay?
The Vatan are a third of an army being generous.
God, dude, it actually makes me like, we should probably do a tier list of like things that make us rage.
GW position tier list.
Or the most rage worthy topics in Warhammer because honestly, Leagues of Votan, I would genuinely wipe it from the entire existence.
I was holding onto this and I'm going, you know what, you said it earlier. I think, Eli, you said it, I think, like if it weren't for Deep Rock Galactic, no one would like them.
But you know what? That doesn't matter because we don't live in a world where there's no Deep Rock Galactic.
We live in that world. Therefore, the squats can happen.
I think it was like, who's that? Boris Dorif says, can Eldar simulate all of them being dead by entering the Webway all at once?
So the galaxy at large, so to the galaxy at large, there are no more Eldar allowing the birth of Yenid.
Oh, it wasn't like the fulfillment of the prophecy.
Well, the thing is it needs their souls to power Eniad up. So them going into the Webway would just be like, well, they all left. All right.
They're not dead. They're just hiding.
The Unari lore is that half the faction just wants to genocide the entire race of Eldar, right? And wake up the AI.
It was like the initial prophecy was like when the Eldar all finally die, all the Infinity Circuits will coalesce Eniad.
Then Eldrad tried to speed run it by just getting a bunch of super powerful like souls of warlocks and farseers and whatnot and bringing them to go Haria.
And it would have, you know, it would have just straight up worked. Unfortunately, that would have meant an Eldar W.
And so watch Captain Artemis swooped in with the absolute galaxy brain.
With the RKO.
Yeah, I could I could imagine even like a story like what if we travel through the the Ghost Wind, which is like the twice dead king thing where it's where all the flayed ones live in that dimension.
Travel through that with the Eldar and see a cut off.
Because there was a really cool story in the Hammer and Bolter series interrogator where, spoilers before anyone spots it, the Inquisitor basically wants to corral so many psychers and harvest them that it basically makes a psychic scream, which kills all psychers in the galaxy,
which then starves chaos completely. But then the characters like, no, that's a bit mean.
Because you'd kill the Emperor.
Yeah, possibly. But it's like, oh, that was like a really interesting idea. But yeah.
Honestly, Eldar need to be given to someone like one of the better. No, one of the better authors who.
Phil Kelly needs to write Eldar lore again.
He does. He does do good.
Far Sight Tao stuff. We need to have this from Halo book fame to write some stories with 40K.
No, no, no.
Phil Kelly wrote the old Eldar Codex.
I don't think we need Karen Travis.
And it was a good codex.
Kilo 5 was good if you ignore the way that it. I like the Kilo 5 trilogy she wrote. I love the Kilo 5 team.
I do not like many of the changes Karen Travis has made to Halo lore.
Oh.
Such as portraying Oni as being morally correct.
Margaret Perinkowski is a fucking monster.
And so is Sarah Osmond. But they're not addressing it because Sarah and Travis or Sarah and Trev.
Karen Travis likes those characters she made.
Also, they made Katherine Halsey even worse. Look, I hate her. I've hated her since Reach when she badmouthed Carter.
Karen Travis turned her from a bit of a standoffish lady who was aware of the monstrous things she was doing into female scientist Hitler.
Basically.
They're actually for putting down rebellions.
They are.
I think a lot of these, particularly with who's the author now who basically did a lot of the brutal cunning and the orc stuff.
Mike Brooks.
Mike Brooks. He did the Lion novel.
Where did he come from?
He's done a few other books that have been pretty good to be fair.
I can like someone just needs to be given the Eldar and let them cook. Just let them cook with it.
Give someone the Eldar. Give someone the Votan. Give someone the Necrons. Give someone Gene Steelers, I guess.
Like they've already had a good book recently. But where do you go now? It's tricky.
I was just I was just say one last bit. It reminds me of like how you know like so many different different universes.
The thing that really separates a lot of things is kind of the actual world building around it.
It was a good story with the world building stuff. The Eldar, you have everything you need because the world building has been done for you.
You just need to let it fly. And I think someone needs to be given a chance basically.
Insolent heroist.
Isn't it all the same?
Fucking Lantus, Scrubs. Just get an insulin pump.
I don't mean that. People have the insulin they have for a reason.
I would say there's a short story I think called What It's Like by ABD or ADB. I fucked it up.
Arrendance about it.
ADB. Yeah. It's just called like What It's Like. And it's just like this overview of what it's like to be just a random chaos warband in the Eye of Terror.
It's like maybe you make an alliance. Maybe you don't. Maybe the alliance lasts five minutes. Maybe it lasts 500 years. Maybe you betray.
Maybe you land on your home base and some like Eldar ghost god because the Eye of Terror is their old homeworlds murdered everyone while you were gone.
You're like, now what? It's also that problem with space marine stuff. It's always the primogenitor chapters that get all the treatment.
There's so many fun ideas you could have. I've just been working on my Blood Angel stuff for next month.
The angels in Carmine, they just like they don't stop going to war. And that whole thing is they never replenish because they're like we just keep going to war.
Well, that's a fun idea you could do a story about. But they're not blood angels.
So who cares? They're not fleshed out.
But if you go ahead, you first. We have an Eldar Lost tier list.
Oh, as in all the losses. Yeah, every time they've lost. So you want an Eldar Lord tier list.
But I think like a whole book about that ADDB concept, like that little short story made because you can include, you know, make it about a chaos warband.
And you can kind of give every faction their like do like, you know, because since you could set it like before the great rift, be like, hey, this is what it was like for 10,000 years.
You can give obviously a generic chaos space marine warband at some time to shine.
Or it's like, this is what it's like for the people who aren't the big boys fighting their 10,000 year long grudge.
You can do a story about the labor serfs observing a chaos warband. That'd be fun.
Oh, yeah. He's like vulnerable and has like no stakes. I have to like polish his like sword with eyes on it or he'll guts me.
Oh, that's a fun premise. And maybe it's like a story from the view of who's Cain's sidekick again.
The Podrick, basically fellow is the guy who's the blank for Cain and he smells really bad.
Jürgen's up. Yeah.
Brain slip. Basically, it's like a book from Jürgen's point of view.
We got it. Like it'd be cool. Like, I don't know, I keep coming back.
I don't know that short story. I like these because like you can have, you know, some imperial crusade.
They've decided needs to go to the eye of terror.
You can be like, all right, what's it like for the people who aren't fighting this 10,000 year long grudge match?
Like, just like, why is this? Why do we have to deal with this? You can have them.
The choice to do an OK job at that.
I think we've got another Crimson Glory again. Thank you, sir.
Rage inducing quote, world eaters are just onga bunga units.
I mean, they are just but onga bunga is fun. Yes.
Listen, I agree.
I agree in Total War, Warhammer, because it's an RTS and I can move my stuff around in real time, not tabletop where I go.
Oh, I made my I made a slight mistake positioning. You know, my entire army's cut in half. Thank you.
Yeah, I do. I'm going from a tabletop perspective, although it's from the Corn Law is like as soon as they fall to corns, like corruption is basically like character development dies and there's no struggle.
That's the biggest. Could you imagine like a fun story about like a labor surf in a world eater like vessel and the whole story is about him trying again and again to escape and then having it floated and then trying not to be butchered by the world eaters while also observing them fight.
That'd be really fun to snap like the world eaters are not the proximal link to a narrative, but they are present throughout the whole thing.
So you still get to see them a lot. That's why even when they fall, you can have fun stories like still about like corn and whatnot.
It's just you could have a character who treats the surf with honor, but he's also like ripping people's spleens out.
You know, that guy is not a good guy, but he has this quality like the nightlords thing like, oh, they have interesting dichotomies and qualities and you could you could go through that but we need to start writing warhammer books.
That's all I do.
Yeah, just more stuff like the old stuff.
You like and write some of the chaos stuff. How can write his beloved 1000 sons and I and hands stuff and I'll write about their agri world wine who gets captured by the Emperor's children.
It'll be good fun.
If I was to write something for warhammer though I think I'd just go for a new faction to be honest.
I don't want to do something which is essentially meant to be a mirror or something unrepresented in warhammer which I'd love if there was some like lovecraft and God things but then, like the faction they control basically didn't realize it.
And it's one of those things like, oh, only like a very few people amount like really, oh, we're actually fighting for like weird gods were like chaos like they know they're fighting for chaos, I'd have a thing where it's like, we're fighting for a pantheon, but we didn't rework that out until we got to the upper levels
it's like kind of like a Scientology thing.
Yeah, like, and then they go like, well, this is weird.
There'd be room in like warhammer crime or even horror to do those kind of stories where like, oh, I thought I was following the chaos gods.
Turns out, it's something worse.
There's a, there's a weird thing and I wish it was utilizing some version in one of which is, it's in the King in Yellow book which is when someone's infected by the King in Yellow has to his madness.
They like, there's a there's a one scene in one of the stories, where the guy puts on like a cape and a crown he looks in the mirror and he looks amazing and glorious, but then everyone else sees him wearing like a tin foil hat and like a crappy rug.
So basically there's a sort of thing where like the people who are in the faction, they perceive themselves to be like essentially like perfect Emperor's children style warriors but everyone else like that guy's literally wearing garbage.
It's basically Jeans to the cults.
Kind of in a way, but then, but more like it messes with their perception rather than their ideology.
It sounds like a flesh eater, flesh eater courts.
Yeah.
If I played a just yeah, yeah, we just buy you shrimp just start with usher and that model is so cool. I'm not going to play just see more. If only the age of signal law was cooking.
I must admit that whole like weird really strongly reminds me of Bioshock to we play as a little sister for a bit and like the pools of blood are like bunches of roses, and all the corpses are angels and they've got wings and everything.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. With the babies with the big lollipops.
I just love something where like someone is like there's a version of kind of utter madness, not always in like chaos is each in one where it's like you turn to something you know the madness is in the mind, rather than a physical.
Yeah, I think Genie is kind of do it well we're like, particularly in like these day of ascension isn't it where like at the end they're like oh my god it's so beautiful and then everyone there is like oh my god it's not, you know,
you could have a world eater who every time he does like a load of butchery he like remember some of his past glories and then eventually it starts to go into a frenzy and then all of a sudden you wake up on another day and he's somewhere else and you could have like a fun story like that.
I thought be like anyway I'd actually have something to be like for car and the betrayer. I think there should be a story where he like basically, he's given the option to save the soul slash rebirth, or like read back bring back to life, are good tall.
And that's the sort of thing was like, was him closer to his humanity. Yes, basically fight error character. We'll give them and let them fight error bus again like straight up just let him battle error bus but then in the end he kind of fails and then that's again like the rate,
like, or in a way, he gets so close to actually bringing back our goal tall, his soul ever, but then his rage is the actual thing that ruins it.
For some reason my mind went instantly to like scenes going, I can bring him back, but the deal is, you can't kill anyone for a full day and it's the whole day.
Having like withdrawal of like killing someone just that would be the gimmick. It's like the.
Thank you again.
Thank you big angry smash God make monkey. Thank you someone saying Tom Warren saying that ages sigma big turtle got me is retentive and Django for saying you have that ins muck ins mouth.
I think the guys are good. I said just the last thing I want a day in the life of camera and the same like comedic levels of sky if his cane, which follows like a dark elder.
I'm wondering how I got here. Yeah, it's like just walking down like avoid the avoid the, you know, the hellions trying to stab you go down to skin labor service skin rip.
See fellow fell over on the, the wailing human carpet.
Just something like that where you bring back the goofy levels of such such horror that it wraps around me like this is funny.
I just, I'm Harry bad time I'm half read that comment that but he said like a world eater, I'm just thought immediately it's like a world eat a blackout and then he was like, you're finally awake.
Skyrim me.
And one last announcement completely unrelated anything I brought it up earlier Empire at war has had an update that almost 20 year old game is an update. It's now on a 64 bit engine so you can run it with any amount of mods without exploding on you.
Nice.
That's a republic brothers get playing.
Shout out to hopefully, man play banner Lord for more mods and need to play that game again, but I'm not all odds to fucking release. I want all the world to release.
Fuck the mod.
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