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Go.
Yeah. Colin is very happy about that. Today we're talking about Halo. But before we get
into that, we need to address the comment of the week we had last time on our last episode.
This one was to deal with one of the fantasy. So good old fancy that was out there. They'll
appreciate that episode. But before we get into that, Donkeyman USA says, Colin, do not
deny me.
Thank you, Donkeyman. Unfortunately,
gritties will be here at some point.
The last question of the week was to do with drawing the sword of Cain, just for quick
reference for only the uninitiated non fancy people who don't know it. The sword of Cain
is basically like this, so I literally the sword of the god or elder God Cain and basically
draw it and makes you into a crazy psychopath. And some of your responses work as predicted,
pretty horrific. Hashtag Cain train was by the rude Canadian 8068. I'll just also address
people Eli is unfortunately not with us this episode is actually living a normal existence.
Yeah, lucky man. He has hobbies. Not kidding. He's having fun and shout him out. And if
you people want to donate and diss him, that's he will literally not know about it. So it's
perfect.
But for the root Canadian 8068, he says hashtag Cain train. I'd give the sword of Cain to
our Lord and Savior boing gob so that he may find about the light of the realm of.
But again, for the uninitiated boy in gob, our Lord and Savior, absolute like sponsor
basically of the law crimes podcast. Boyngeb is essentially the father of all squakes in
Muhammad, Ada sigma, and he died because he tried to eat the sun. RIP rest in peace. He
will not he will be sorely missed. The next one is by at Trista Maura 1081. It says hashtag
Cain train. I will personally use the Widowmaker to white streak. This is Pelan or white straight,
by the way, and then tell him that 40k is his home timeline and that the murder of attempted
to hide their existence by simply changing their names. Once Cain watches him get to
work on killing the greatest bromance will be made. Shout to Elder Scrolls law there.
And then we have another one by resident, greatest supporter of law crimes, Mr. At DJ
Beast. Oh, good. This guy is he's in the he's probably in the chat right now roasting Colin
as he deserves it. Is the bed made? The bed is made because because of DJ Beast. He's
not like the second hairline joke. I think is your materials getting a bit stale. Yeah,
right. Listen, we've we should on always saying it before stream, we should put sponsors on
our foreheads because they're just so big. I pretty sure chair me because I just I just
don't know why he's commented. Why are you here? Why are you here, brother? Please watch
make her watch to initiate hashtag Cain train by DJ Beast says I will take the sword of
Cain into 40k just to go in a leagues of vote and killing spree. Hopefully this will be
a big enough event to get them any amount of law. If not, then nothing of value is lost.
Yeah. Oh, voting. They're being carried by another franchise. Only person I know who
actually likes them is Arthur Bones and like he's like the battered housewife of the 40k
communities. It's already been abandoned. I'm gonna be honest. So make sure to remind
him that thank you, Mr. Potato who, who's but coming in saying Colin, your sheets are
getting pretty stale. Wow. They already the slander has already begun. And the last one
is by Darren Weathington 1923. They said, after Cain train, I would draw the sword of Cain
to cleanse the universe of con goers, tabletop slash smash players and V tubers and all their
fan bases is the only way we can achieve true peace.
All right, look, you had me for the first two. Don't that last one wasn't necessary.
I don't know what he means by this. There's clearly nothing wrong with the smash bros
community. Not a single problem. No controversy, nothing. I can't even remember it completely
going out my eye. Just like the Minecraft community. It's all wholesome and nothing
goes wrong. One of them have ever done inappropriate things to their fan base. No, the community
law is more interesting than the actual game sometimes. I'm not gonna lie. The TV spelling.
Yeah. Thank you guys so much for answering that question the week. The next question
of the week is you can wear power armor. What would you do? And this is hashtag power trip.
So in today's theme, you could bear Mjolnir for your powered up armor or space marine
power armor if it was once be more or hammer theme question.
Bear in mind, you don't have like like Colin said, if you try to wear space marine or Mjolnir
armor, you would pretty much die because you're not supposed to wear it just out the bat,
but assume you can wear it and there's no spine breaking. There's no like you need a
black carapace. It's like you imagine it's like fallout armor where you can just be like
open in done. Like it's no object. Just have a bit of a power trip. Have some fun. Don't
worry about the law. That'd be hashtag power trip or one word and just give us your, you
know, funny answers. Maybe even a serious one. One from the heart brothers. We appreciate
you. It's a safe place. But speaking of not a safe place for humanity, we're gonna talk
about some halo law today.
Not a safe place for humanity there.
Oh, it's not. And if people who are listening and watching live, we have a new element we
want to test out, which is basically we're going to put some nice scale bit of halo footage
in the background for you. So you're listening on just audio.
I applied the halo was Colin has supplied the other halo stuff. So you look like a human
being. What does that mean?
And sorry, I do sort of say this, this idea literally came about because I did think that
we could just put subway surf run off and just follow along. But we've chosen something
a little bit more on topic. But going on with the law today for the episode, the podcast,
I believe it's either I think it's Colin, you starting and just ripping.
And just kind of going.
Okay, beginning with halo, little brothers, sit in relax and and, you know, pucker up
whenever any questions to both of you, but mostly how
Yeah, interrupt as needed. But yes, today we're going to be talking about Spartan. So
with that in mind, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna start and then eventually I'm gonna
stop God. God only knows when that'll be. But you know, we will eventually stop talking
about Spartan Donkeyman with the five. Okay. Thank you, Donkeyman. Thank you. In fact, Mjolnir
armor definitely had a built in hog cranker for Spartans. It did not. It's not true. There
was no hog cranker in the meal.
Just as a slight teaser for people later, there will be some gameplay recorded from
Colin. So if you feel, feel free to let us know exactly.
I was talking to the leaderboard both on my team, both matches. I just, that doesn't matter.
I just know exactly how you feel about Colin.
I'm gonna get ripped no matter what human being TJBs. I didn't need to see.
Human being is very accurate.
I'm gonna go now.
One last comment from TJB says Colin is standing on a stool for his stream.
This isn't even me yet. I don't play like trash. I'm not in the game yet. This isn't
my footage.
And it's mine. I'm still here. I'm just my camera. Don't mind me. It's fine.
That's okay. Halo. Halo be with us.
We'll continue.
Spartans. So, you know, everyone, you know, you've seen Master Chief at least once in
your life, I'm going to assume the basic idea of a Spartan, you know, super soldier, given
the best armor augmentations, all that is not probably a new concept to you.
But you might have noticed he's a Spartan too. And to be the second of something there
needs to have been a first. This is groundbreaking stuff. I know.
So the first iteration of the Spartan project was the Orion project or Project Orion. Doesn't
go either way. It doesn't really matter. It was not at first called the Spartan project.
It was just Project Orion. It was renamed retroactively once the twos came around. They
were all not much as Spartans are called Spartans. These guys were known as Orions. And the initial
iteration of them starts kind of in the 2200s where the newly formed UNSC, at least relatively
new by this point, was trying to think, okay, are super soldiers something worth doing?
And they weren't good enhancements really by any means.
Imagine giving someone PCP and telling them to just go nuts. It was about at that level,
just with military funding.
What's the CIA project where they like, did crazy, crazy stuff? They gave LSD to dolphins
or something.
Well, that was one of them. And then they had a woman jerk the dolphin off.
Yeah, I wasn't gonna go there. Appreciate that.
Leon Leon with 10 sterling British pounds, mate. Thank you, brother. He says, remember
the kids? Catherine Halsey did nothing wrong. I don't think people are gonna agree with
that.
You are insane, but we'll get to that.
Stealthy 47 says, law crimes doing Fortnite law because Halo in Fortnite.
I need the Master Chief armor in Fortnite.
Yeah, pretty much.
But yeah, start like the even precursor to Project Orion, really not great. But it did
prove that to some extent, you can make a super soldier. If we build on this, we can
get some good out of it. It also paved the way for like minor enhancements become standard
for every human soldier in Halo, like adrenaline injections, which is incidentally a research
in Halo Wars, at least the first one, I'm not sure about the second game. Johnson had
a sex scene in Contact Harvest. Very true document USA and thank you for the five Johnson
Fox
MK Ultra, I think that was the name of the experiment.
One of them.
A lot.
And then Project Orion proper though 2300s.
You get, you know, the first round of Project Orion, the first one I was just talking about
was Project Orion point five. Now we're on to Project Orion phase one. It started with
at least five test subjects may have been more not sure, but at least five and they
were augmented. They tried it out and the project, however, was ultimately shelved because
of lack of funding, poor results. It really, again, was not a very good project at this
point. Things things didn't go great. To its credit, the augments sold the soldiers that
were augmented were all quietly, you know, reintegrated back into the military. So the
side effects weren't as bad as they're going to get, but they also all died within a year
due to quote unquote undisclosed reasons. And when something in Halo is happening because
of undisclosed reasons, it's probably because only took everyone involved behind the shed
and put them down like dogs. We'll get into only a bit more in a bit. So whatever happened
to those first five, who knows? And the reason I said, you know, at least five, it's not
clear is because all the data on this original project by this point beyond the fact sure
existed is either just deteriorated. You know, it's been five or 300 years, pardon me, 200
years, at least since the first iteration of Orion, or because someone stole it, which
again, probably only stole it. They tend to do that kind of dickery thing. So Project
Orion is once again shelved for about 150, 100 years until we hit the end of the 25th
century. There's a bit of a time jump again. And the insurrection. So for those of you
not too aware of Halo, the insurrection was UNSC by this point is about 800 planets, you
know, obviously nothing like the Imperium. It's 800 planets. That's pretty decently big.
Plasma radiation sickness, that's we're going to get to that for the Oriens I'm about to
talk about because it comes back. The insurrection though is like I was up to say, some of those
outer colonies, they're called the ones that are, you know, farthest from Earth and the
UNSC's heart. We're thinking maybe they didn't want to be part of the UNSC anymore. When
you're 800 light years from Earth, why do you need to pay Earth taxes? Why, you know,
who hasn't complained about taxes? And you know, I can walk to a government building.
If I had to FTL travel to my government office, I was paying taxes to, I'd probably not be
terribly happy either. Is this the plot of the Separatists in Star Wars? Well, not quite
because the UNSC is also, I mean, kind of, but there was also a little bit of a, there
might have been some human rights violations happening in the background, you know, the
UNSC is in perfect. This is a sprinkling, just a small lot. You know, the UNSC, again,
it's not the Imperium, but a few, you know, a couple just here and there, you know, oops.
And the UNSC had been dealing with that more and more. And given that about a year from
January 29th, 2491, which is the date of Project Orion restarting, given that a year from that
date the UNSC's best way to prevent rebellion is to just nuke an entire planet, all of it,
shout out to Far Isle. They were looking back into that super soldier thing to see if that
wouldn't be a viable way of dealing with the insurrection. At the very least, less collateral
damage than glassing a colony. Exterminatus usually best save that for a last resort.
So they gathered the best and brightest of the UNSC Marines, the special forces, and
they were, these were actually volunteer forces, which again, that's going to get put on hold
for later. But, you know, they say, hey, you want to be an even better soldier? They took
some volunteers and took them to where else but Reach, because Reach is where all the
cool stuff happens in Halo.
Shout out to the TV series.
Shut up. Shut up.
Completely honoured Reach.
Kill this man.
No.
I've had enough of that.
Even I know that was perhaps, I mean, like, I'm sad currently about how Star Wars has
been murdered. Halo didn't even breathe as a TV series.
I like the meme though of, I can't remember what it's originated with, like the guy being
hanged and it's like first time and it's just like a Star Wars guy. First time being like
crucified.
You get a horrible TV show.
Thank you, Zano for the two bucks. It says I hate Halsey. All my homies hate Halsey.
Appreciate it.
George doesn't hate Halsey.
No, but you know.
There's a bit of Stockholm syndrome in that, but still he's got a moustache.
Yeah, there might be some psychological problems going on with the Spartan IIs. We'll get to
them.
Mom, that'll be all George. Like, bitch, give him some respect.
Yeah.
He's such a cuddly bear.
Yeah, Reach, you know, head of everything military industrial complex related, take
him to be trained and augmented on Reach.
It started with 65 volunteers and eventually reaching a peak of 300 with Project Orion
round two, one of whom is of course Sergeant Avery Johnson. You know, if you ever wondered
how the hell he survived up until the last of the original trilogy.
Bring it in, baby.
It's like, well, he was a Spartan. Hold me. That's right.
Yeah, I love it.
But even though, you know, Project Orion round two, far more successful. The augmentations
were pretty awful. Johnson described it as both agonizing and it would also send him
and others into just bouts of confused rage. But, you know, once they calmed down for good
and stopped swinging at whatever scientist was pumped them full of magic, they were pretty
good in combat. They were key in a whole lot of operations against the insurrection. They
were good soldiers, quality knew their stuff. They were already the best of the best. So
they they knew what they were doing. Problems were twofold this time around. Project Orion,
these Spartan ones, as they'll come to be known, were good, but they weren't good enough.
They were definitely better than on augment and humans. But just to give you a base of
what we're still dealing with at this level of Spartan without like an in-depth medical
examination, you really couldn't tell them apart from normal people. They essentially
took a soldier, a good soldier, but just a soldier and made them within the context of
Halo.
Would it be fair to say that people loved Sergeant Johnson so much they like post actively
put Spartan ones in and were like, he's cool because he's a Spartan one. But like when
they made the original, they weren't thinking that through. They were just like, oh, he's
cool. I'm well, we'll make this like just for him. I'm almost I'm almost certain they
did that because also if you have like an OG copy of Halo combat evolved, it mentions
how like on the back of the box, you are the master chief, the last Spartan. And then we
see that turned out. Yeah, yeah. The last Spartan in this vicinity is what we meant.
It wasn't even that Linda was on the pillar of autumn. But last Spartan for real, except
not really. But Project Orion, it again, within the context of Halo, it made normal soldiers.
Like it just you turn them into basically top of the line ODSTs in terms of overall
effectiveness. You know, ODSTs are awesome. But for the level of, you know, budget and
time and effort they spent on making super soldiers, you'd like something a bit better
than just top of the line, something you already have. All the while, insurrection keeps getting
worse. Civilians are being caught in the crossfire all the time. And the outer colonies are turning
more and more against the UNSC. They it needed the ultimate soldier and Orion really just
gave them good soldiers. It also I know someone brought it up caused irreversible genetic
damage in some of them. Physical mental degradation, which just reduced their quality of life.
And you know, most prevalent for the UNSC made them worse in combat. You know, this
that's that's that's the main issue, of course. I mean, not being funny, but the the failed
space marine aspirants usually just become bitter assholes, but they're actually pretty
like strong. It's like, there's no drawback to being an aspirant. I'm pretty sure most
of them like if they fail, they just either a servant or suit depends like you get you
get examples like Caleb Aaron who became a house call. But then you get guys like the
guy in that ultramarine comic about Marneus Calgares origin where he's like, I failed,
but I'm still like seven foot tall and pretty strong. Yeah, in a cornet berserker. It's
like, okay, okay. I'm pretty sure most of them become like, I think it's in the blood
angels, they basically become like the next smoothie for like the hungry. I mean, the
iron hands, the iron hands and their successes are the worst. They're just like you failed
like 1% servitor, servitor. They don't have failures. They have they have success and
then still things that are useful equipment. Yeah. Yeah, it's real. It's free servitors.
Hey, exactly. But yeah, not not all of the not all of the orions, you know, went through
this, once again, of course, most notably Avery Johnson, but enough did that only fabricated
a disease known as Boran syndrome, that he only existed to explain why several hundred
soldiers were suddenly on record as just kind of melting. So not great for them. But they
had a better end than Orion 0.5 as I guess as I'll call it way back in the 2200s because
they're the first iteration of Orion because these guys weren't disappeared. They were
just quietly put back to the military, whatever position they had. And they even inspire the
ODSTs to be restructured. So they paved the way for the ODSTs to be the badasses they
are. So hey, that's good. And I am going out of chronological order a bit here. But the
last big thing to know about the Spartan ones is that they had they had their own children
that were known as Spartan 1.1s. They weren't they weren't even like as impressive as the
Orians, but they were superior to baseline humans. They might have been augmented at
birth, you know, only might have, you know, dicked around with that. But they also might
not have been which is if that's true. It's a good thing only didn't pay them much interest
because there would have been super soldier breeding programs in Halo. And that would
have been even more horrific than what's about to show up in a moment. Speaking of Spartan
1.2s, the ones on the box, the the master chief, George, you know, Cal 141, my beloved.
While Project Orion was created and then gotten rid of for good with the this last round,
there was a thing a report known as the Carver findings, which was looking at the state of
humanity looking at the insurrections all the civil unrest that you want to see was
dealing with the UEG. And it basically said that humanity is on the brink of total war
between the inner and outer colonies. Dr. Halsey, may she burn in a lake of boiling
piss for the rest of added her own report to the mix that stated that not only is total
war inevitable, humanity is on the brink of sending itself back to the Stone Age when
it occurs and that at the very least, billions of people are going to die. So her response
was no, her response was not only to go no, but also you're stupid and wrong and you're
not as smart as I am because I think it's going to be worse. Thank you.
Let's show them democracy with my gun. Calling all hell divers, but it's basically the hell
divers. Outer colony policy is, oh man, this is why does everyone like everyone obviously
hate. I just even like from something doesn't know like a huge amount. I kind of just basically
is sort of watch the games mostly. Like why is Dr. Halsey like particularly isn't like,
is it just because she doesn't, is she like, she doesn't asshole or is it because she's
a like genocide or maniac? I think I'll give like, there's three main reasons.
Part of it is that as much as I already didn't like her before 343 took over the franchise,
343 made her even worse. Just in terms of being just insufferable, arrogant and a bad
person. Yeah. I mean, I think there's something to
be said about when 343 were like, oh, it's not that humanity just like figured this stuff
out. The forerunners, they like implanted them the schematics to build a space Marine
into their DNA. And I guess Halsey knows that it's kind of like, she has some parallels
with biggie in the, in the terms of like, if we want to win, we have to worry about morality.
And that's kind of her thing. And to be fair, she's not wrong in the halo setting.
At least there was also, well, saying that we'll get into what the Spartan two, thank
you. Donkey man USA as well. Law fat three, a Spartan two named Maria test row chiefs
armor then retired and had kids. Congratulations, Maria. She was the only one
I believe to get a happy ending. But there's that like 343 also turned hate the UNSC into
the Imperium light. Like the UNSC was never nearly as like dictatorial as it was after
they took over. Remember when humanity were the forerunners? I like that red con. I'm
going to be honest out. That's one three, four, three is them. I'll defend.
I think they, I mean, they clearly made the best game with halo five. So
I, all right, let's yeah. Like, okay, little man's slow roll right there.
I'm slowing your roll right there. There's really halo five, maybe even halo
six, but it's even called halo six. It just called halo infinite.
Uh, but yeah, there was a, there was, you know, she's just kind of unpleasant, arrogant,
know it all. Dick, uh, she was rude to noble team and halo reach. Uh, I know that's not exactly
big. She was, she, she like kind of signed as Baron a little bit. She, she, she was mean
Louis Rodriguez. Thank you for the one. Thank you, brother. Uh, she, she was rude to noble team.
I'm glad Carter put her in her place. Uh, and there's also the little fact that as we're about
to find out, she kidnapped 75 children. So, you know, not great. God, I mean, is, is it,
isn't just because from a Warhammer perspective, like that's like low key not like that doesn't
make me blink at all. Just because of Warhammer perspective. So, so hold on. There's 70,
70 plus children. Then why is John called one one seven? Where's the other 40 come from?
I will get to that. Okay. Cool. Thank you. Stealthy four seven is who is more insufferable,
Halsey or Fabius bile have his balls, not insufferable. You might not want to hold a
conversation with them because he's probably going to be torturing you, but like he's,
he's cool. But like you might not leave with your scrotum.
To be fair, I'd rather be tortured by Fabius then Halsey. But you'll laugh and then you'll die. But
you'll laugh. Yeah. I don't want to be tortured either way, but I'd love to have, have like a
bit of a silver lining. Fabulous Bill. Yeah. Bill. Yeah. One of them at least is a conversationalist.
But yeah, humanity is in danger or at least only thinks it's in danger of sending itself back to
the stone age. Doesn't matter or not if it's actually true because only felt it was true.
So Catherine Halsey was brought to ONI section three, which is the special branch,
special projects branch of them that does all the wacky awful things. And in 2511,
they got to work on continuing what Orion began. Side note, Andy, did you know ONI exists?
Yes. Yeah. The office of Naval intelligence is a branch of the United States Navy. I know somewhere
I have like one of those halo collectibles where they had like an ONI booklet and some like
declassified documents somewhere. I've got them somewhere. Yeah. It's sorry. I just, I just thought
of the, it's kind of not related, but it's semi-related, which is like a funny like
naming of things. Cause I think it was like, there's a, it's like in America, like, you know,
like in your colleges, you design like special, like big like jumpers or shirts or whatever.
It has like a white lettering. And one that was like Christian University of Michigan.
Believe it or not, there's no come branch of ONI.
How did that not pass the sniff test?
ONI, come ONI, let's go.
Did it say come on your shirt? Like surely come on. Oh man. Sorry. So off topic.
I'm five. Oh, but uh,
Mr. Mealog says Marathi versus Halsey, hell in a cell.
Thank you, brothers. This time around, uh, their branch, uh, their goal is of course, you know,
once again, not dealing with aliens yet. Humanity doesn't know the covenant exists yet. This is
solely to deal with separatist movements. Uh, they are now going to make the perfect super soldier,
the best you can possibly get. Uh, the idea overall being, you know, the Oriens weren't
good enough. We want super soldiers who can bust in, eat a wall of bullets just without phasing.
And then, you know, there's a meeting going on where some moderately important people are like,
hey, maybe we should break away from the UNSC. And then before it gets any farther than that,
a bunch of super soldiers storm in and kill everyone and then leave.
Uh, so what else do they do? But Amber Alert children, uh, the reason they needed to be,
uh, children, I say needed to be children. So I thank you for the two bucks from a non-dormant.
He says Grimgoor, Ironhide, Wa versus Reach, who wins? I think a Matt Cannon could destroy
a planet if you fired enough of them at it.
Don't reach DJ Beast earlier said I love come and the universities.
University in Michigan.
Uh, but there were two reasons Spartans needed to be kids. One was that they needed to be young
enough for the augmentations to be accepted, but only also wanted soldiers that would only ever be
soldiers, uh, pure complete indoctrination, no questioning of orders or wondering if what they
were doing is right or having family concerns or anything like that. Because as far as their
concerns are concerned, they're not going to be able to do anything. So I think that's a
concern. Total collapses on the line and everyone wants super soldiers in their back pocket, even
beyond that. So any and all morals were promptly thrown out the window before the project even
began. Uh, these children needed to be as close to perfect as a human being could possibly get.
No history of anything like disease or any genetic problems in their family, nothing at all.
It was, you were not the running to be a Spartan candidate. Although to be quite frank, I don't
think I'd want to be in the running to be a Spartan candidate. Uh, the kids, you know, they needed to
be competitive and have a real go-getter spirit, which in most other settings, you know, this might
be the start of a great heroic journey where these, you know, these children are destined to be, you
know, the hero of the story and then only kidnapped all of them. Uh, when they set out, and you were
asking earlier, they found 150 children, uh, from ages six to eight, uh, that they felt fit the
criteria, which is why, Hey, well, how come Cal 141, John 117, why does it go up that high?
There was 150 of them first. Uh, there's also Spartan 1337, but that's just a gamer joke. So
that doesn't really count. Another one from a donkey man, USA. Thank you brother for five bucks.
Says law fact four, keep him cum brother. She quite cool. He says, Fred one Oh four gets used
as a sled by a pretty detective lady. He then sends her a, a massage or message saying next time
he rides on top. So Fred, Fred's also will get to him. Probably the only one to come out of the
Spartan program to program with a normal personality. Uh, yeah. Cut down to 75,
kidnapped those children. Their family names are erased to the point that I don't think any of them
actually know their last names. And from that point on, they're only ever referred to by their
first name and a number, uh, at, you know, again, eight years old, they're put through like special
ops grade training regiments. Uh, like you shove your, you know, your little brother into a Navy
seal class. And that's about what happened here. Uh, overseen by one, uh, officer Franklin Mendez,
he put them through the wringer. Uh, they would, it was just hellish training. Like that's, there's
only so many ways I can say that he did to some extent try, uh, and a little bit go against maybe
what only wanted, like he tried to instill like, you know, duty, honor, respect to the Spartans,
try and teach them the difference between right and wrong, you know, stuff like that. But for one,
he was also teaching them how to kill their fellow man with great efficiency. And for two,
and for two, only was hanging over this entire affair, making sure that, you know, you don't
want the Spartans to be too honorable. They exist to kill people who want to not be part of the
UNSC any longer. There's, there's only so much honor you can still into that kind of thing.
Uh, they were also given, you know, intelligence training, like just schooling, stuff like that,
history, mathematics, science, the best of the best and all that, which again,
might have been a good thing were it not for the fact these are child soldiers. Uh, yeah. Uh, for
the Spartans part, uh, they would come to consider each other basically family to the point that
outside looking in, you would think they were all like telekinetically linked with each other
because they'll give each other a glance. And then a battle plan has been formed and they're just
always on the same wavelength. And this comes to a head when they reach the age of 14 and 25, 25,
and they get their augmentations. So if you remember how I said, project Orion discount
Spartan project, Avery Johnson said it was agonizing and, uh, those augmentations were only,
like only really amounted to a noticeable, but small boost in their effectiveness.
We'll take that, double it, double it a couple more times. And now it's not being done to train
soldiers. It's being done to your 14 year old sibling. Uh, they were, despite the fact they
were put into medically induced comas, they were filled with agony and each of the own augmentations
had their own special kind of pain, uh, which we'll go through in a bit, just what those augmentations
were. Uh, but yeah, there, uh, there was all different kinds of hell they were in for.
Uh, so out of these 75 children, 30 of them just straight up died. They're just dead. That's it.
That's it. Thanks for, thanks for joining the Spartan program. You're not good enough. I'm afraid.
Thanks for playing. Here's your participation. Yeah. Gravestone.
12 more of them were crippled to the point of not being able to function as human beings
and were put in cryostasis in the hopes that one day you can rehabilitate, rehabilitate them.
Again, probably just for the purposes of I want that super soldier investment back, please.
Uh, so at the end of the day, when all of a sudden done, uh, less than half, only 33 survived the
process and came out as proper actual Spartans. Um, while this was happening, uh, all of those,
you know, you might be wondering, well, how did they hide the fact they just kidnapped 75 kids?
Uh, flash clones is what they're known as cloning does exist in halo and on the upside,
it does make just an identical clone to you on the downside. It, the clones aren't perfect.
Pretty much the moment they come out of the chamber, they start falling apart.
And after a few years, all these clones had died of technically natural causes.
Like there's nothing put into them that makes them die. It's just the cloning process.
Isn't very good.
We have a donation donation by, um, Luis Rodriguez, who says, you first time live
is written in a strange way versus Colin dumb. I, I, L Y Colleen. I think, thank you.
Really?
I was like, it reminds of, um, you know how, like, I don't remember which book it's in
Warhammer, where someone like, it's one of the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
the, it's like one of the women who's like with the, uh, always in the nightlords omnibus,
it's the navigator Octavia. She just says in the, when she's like talking to Talos,
the nightlord, she basically in her head goes, Oh my God, that's why they're so terrifying.
It's cause you are literally like super soldier children. You never got to be adults.
So you never got there. Like she says, what makes you terrifying is you never get to
look at the world with an adult sensibility. And that was, and you're just children running
around with weapons and in slaughtering people. Uh, it's probably a similar thing.
Uh, kind of.
We need super nanny.
Well, that's in like,
I'll certainly say the Spartans are definitely more disciplined than the nightlords.
Well, she thought, she thought that I have all space green. She said like, they're just
10 in a way. They're mostly just children with guns.
Yeah.
Except for our Jack Rockfist from the space wars is like, I had a family, but I was so
hench. I could become a space. Fair enough. Why not?
I'm sure Ragnar, the Ragnar Blackmane book, like he immediately is like,
like the way he becomes a space marine, like it's the night where they invade his
home and he's like clapping cheeks and then, and then, and then it just happens. And he like
semi half dies and they're like, you can become a space Marine. And his,
his like girlfriend gets like taken off, casted off somewhere.
It's probably, he's pretty a great grandfather at this point.
You know, good old Ragnar.
He was just like, I didn't hear no bell.
Just basically except the bell is I didn't hear. I could stop having children.
Not, yeah, not a bad comparison though. They, these are, they're child soldiers.
With those, you know, those flash clones though upside, both between the fact,
you know, they were clones. So they were in some ways, most ways identical.
And because they all died, most people wouldn't think to go look for them in,
you know, the missing children, because as far as almost everyone was concerned,
they weren't missing. They just very unfortunately died of rare,
but as far as anyone knew, natural diseases. To my knowledge, there was a,
only one, there might've been more, but there's at least one confirmed father of one of the
Spartans, Spartan Naomi 10, who was convinced that his daughter was still alive out there
replaced with an imposter. But if anything, his mad rantings might've just been,
might've just helped people dismiss the theory because he then became an insurrectionist
and a great way to make, you know, to come off as a conspiracy theorist is to start blowing up
government buildings. So that'll do it. Yeah. For what it's worth, the head of ONI,
Margaret Perangoski, even worse woman than Halsey, call her out for this.
Cause this was mostly just Halsey doing her own thing, which, you know, Perangoski said,
you only did that to ease your own conscious, which whether or not that's true,
seems like it's a handy excuse to explain away the mass kidnapping. So my only assumption for
why Perangoski was angry at Halsey was because this was something ONI didn't approve of.
And anything that ONI says is bad is bad and therefore you deserve to die for it.
They didn't kill her though. She was a bit too valuable, but you know, they weren't happy. Also
two of the surviving Spartans came into contact with their flash clones and killed themselves
after the fact. So we're down two more Spartans before any fighting's actually begun. Isn't Halo
fun? I mean, it's not as depressing as Warhammer, but it's very much like the theme of this. I mean,
was it like the theme of, I hate to even quote it from like the theme of like Ubermensch or like
the super soldier in itself is just a dark road. Would it be fair to call it grim light?
I'd honestly say in some ways it's darker. Cause I mean, 40k's whole thing is that it just sucks,
right? ONI just decided to do this. I think grim dark is definitely like, is a grunginess and tone,
whereas like Halo visually probably doesn't match that. But then in terms of its lore, it's very
much, I guess what's like realistic is the way to eat chips. Not eating corpse starts no matter
what's happening. I'm not eating that shit. I'm not fucking doing it. I said chips. The original
trilogy is certainly more like an upbeat space opera. Granted, a lot of people still die, but
you know, the big green man defeats the aliens and saves the day. You know, Reach is, I would
certainly say Reach is grim dark. That's not, that is not a happy game. Darky Man USA says,
Halo Legends is great and I'll die on that hill. Halo Legends is phenomenal one day. But
we've done the, you know, the Spartan twos are now done cooking, at least in terms of augmentations.
They're not quite done yet, but you know, they're getting there. We'll just, you know, we did the
versus where I listed off all the augmentations. So I'll just, we'll speed run it here real quick.
Ceramite, like ceramic plates, stuff like that was grafted to their bones to make them basically
unbreakable. Their muscle tissue is made far more dense. Lactic acid recovery times was
significantly reduced. So a Spartan can run for a week straight and not even feel it.
A pellet was put in their thyroid gland to boost the growth of both skeletal and muscle tissue.
They dicked around with the blood vessels in their eyes to make them see far better and farther.
And they messed with their nervous systems too, to increase their reaction time by at least 300%
with unconfirmed, but you know, noted reports of increases in intelligence, memory and creativity.
It's also worth keeping in mind that this was both far and away better than what Oni thought it was
going to be. And this was when they were fresh out of the chamber. Like you were augmented,
you've gotten used to it. They're still only 14 years old. They were,
puberty has really just kind of, you know, just begun. They're not done growing.
It was a hell of a drug. Yeah. It was when you're a super soldier. It was,
everyone involved was like, we, we made demigods and they're not done getting, you know,
more powerful yet. It does remind me of like, particularly in like, in the Warhammer setting,
is a similar thing where space marines were not actually designed to fight aliens. They're
actually somewhat, well, first of all, to kill Thunder Warriors, which the, the proto space marines,
and they were also designed to kill humans. That's why in the horrors heresy, they, it's the first
time they actually design rounds that are able to penetrate Sarah, my armor, because the Bolta is
designed to splash through a human being. Like that's the same thing, I guess, in Halo. We're
like, the humans designed super soldiers to kill other humans rather than actually to fight.
Yeah. They were like, quiet control rather than we're going to kill aliens. It's like,
we're here to like suppress Revolts and stuff like that.
Yeah. The emperor's uniting humanity. He's not, whether you want to or not, you're going to be,
you're being united. You're going to be so happy once you're united. Just,
just don't look behind the curtain. It's all good. So good, bro.
Incidentally, it means that, hey, the Master Chief's appearance in Halo, or in Rainbow Six Siege,
is the closest we've gotten a video game to his canonical purpose for existing.
It's very funny to me. Just to, just to put into, you know, a bit of a perspective,
Master Chief, John 1-1-7, after his augmentations, you know, they'd settled because they,
they had a period where they basically had to learn how to walk again. After all was
said and done, he was working out in the gym, getting used to how to do stuff again. And the
whole time he's like, everything feels wrong. Like he's checking the machines, checking the
everything feels wrong. Like he's checking the machines, like the, you know, all the
everything like is, like, it is like a screw loose. Why is this so easy to pull? I'm lifting like 600
pounds. Why is this, why does this feel like I'm lifting like a five pound dumbbell? And at one
point he dropped a weight and started calculating while it was falling its trajectory and velocity.
He also says before that, oh, I'm not that good at math. I was never the best at it. As he starts
calculating the speed of dumbbells falling mid flight, like, all right, John, thank you for that.
And it comes up, you know, like, what is it? Nine point of 12 or whatever meters a second,
or whatever the, you know, feet a second, whatever, whatever the speed of something
falling is, he's like, all right, no, it's, this is right. Why does it look like it's dropping in
slow motion to me? Why, what's going on here? Like it's everything felt off because he's so powerful
that the world is moving in slow motion and he's yanking around gym equipment like it's made,
it's a pillow. Then some ODSTs come in and start being dickheads, throwing their weight around,
we're ODSTs, we're the best, which in most cases is true. In this case, it ends with the chief and
those four ODSTs in a boxing ring and two crippled and two dead ODSTs, one of which John kicked so
hard in the balls that his hips exploded. I'm not making that up. It is explicitly said he kicked
him in the lower half and the dude's pelvic muscle, like bones shattered. I mean, damn.
You ain't never sitting down again. What is going to the bathroom? I'm assuming that was one of the
dead ones. Like that's gotta be just like, that's turning off the light switch. If you survive,
you're not going to the bathroom, you're just using tubes. You have a bag. You are a colostomy
man now. I mean, that's a hell of a way to go. Yeah. So again, 14 years old and four super
soldiers ganging up on him, like elite soldiers, either dead or crippled and have to probably leave
military service. Oh, so he did fulfill his purpose of killing humans. Well, maybe not these
ones. And for what it's worth, when he was done, there was no adrenaline shakes like, oh my god,
I just killed four people. Chief Mendez came in and John just kind of looked at him and was like,
was I supposed to do that? They were UNSC personnel, but they were attacking me.
He just kind of blankly, vaguely felt bad and asked him, did I do good? I don't think I did good.
We did have a donation by DTB. A message by DTB says that's what Morathi does to Colin.
God, I can only- I'm very sure referring to a good old, was it hit and destroyer or something?
A bad contrived. Oh my god, hell of a way to go. But if his reaction to killing and crippling four
people didn't give it to you, their psychology was the stuff of nightmares. Halsey did him
objective, just straight up brainwashing them because that was initially what only wanted.
But Halsey and Mendez were like, they need to be soldiers. They need to understand what they're
doing. There needs to be team cohesion and you don't get that if you just turn them into servitors,
basically. So they did view each other as family. They stuck together. They pretty frequently avoided
contact with normal people. There just was no relation. They had nothing in common. They
could not relate to almost everyone. The only exception really was Fred. Fred at one point
like cracked a joke and the guy in charge of the mission he was on was like, oh I don't know.
Spartans came with a sense of humor. Is that gonna cost me extra? And he just goes, no, I'm just
defective. They just didn't quite do me right when it came to the conditioning. The rest of them,
there's not a therapist alive that can begin handling that nightmare.
They didn't hold it against anyone. They thought of what was done to them as both necessary and
what they were born to do, which Oni probably loved that mentality, but really did not get along
with normal people. Didn't dislike, didn't hate them. They just could not talk to them.
When it comes to the reverse, normal people looked at Spartans with both reverence and disgust
because, you know, on the one hand, you're a UNSC Marine, a brute's about to rip your entire squad
in half, and then a seven foot tall maniac comes rocketing out of nowhere and rips the brute apart.
There's going to be some hero worship. But on the other hand, and I know especially Andy's probably
going to roll his eyes at this one, but I promise I'm saying it for a reason. The Spartans, like,
they're described almost in a way kind of like the Eldar, which like, you know how the Eldar,
it's like they said they move with like this grace that's straight out of the uncanny valley.
Yeah. I mean, I like the Halo 1 cinematic where it's one of the team just like a back flip
over an elite and then shoots them in the back. How can you do that in that much armor? That's crazy.
They're insanely flexible, durable, all that. It must be like nothing's wasted, I guess.
It's like there's no, not a single movement is wasted. It's like they're flowing through
like the space they're walking through. It's like they look uncanny to the point that again, like,
solitaires, people were like to the point of they were afraid of touching a Spartan.
It's like something is clearly not right with that.
We've got a few donations here with Leon Leon with 10 pounds. Thank you, brother. How much I love
the Spartan 2. I do enjoy Spartan 3 and some of the headhunters Spartan.
We'll talk about the headhunters.
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half naked Fred hugs detective lady after leaving a shower. Can't relate.
One day says also, no, Eli, he's fighting the nails. The nails, the truly the nails are biting
right now. He's, he's very quite sad to miss the Halo edition, but we will be back with some.
Well, you'll see us in a week, brothers, anyway, so we'll maybe even some gaming streams.
We'll see you with us soon. One day. I say one day like Eli's not going to be back.
Yeah, he's going to be back.
We're back from Mordor. Yeah. But and then we the ODSTs, they did not like the Spartans for the most part.
They found a way to get back to the game. They found a way to get back to the game.
The ODSTs, they did not like the Spartans for the most part. They felt that the Spartans were.
Mr. Nehalov, can a Spartan outrun Forrest Gump?
I will. No one can really outrun Forrest Gump.
That's a really important question.
I started running.
As long as I know exodite hater Eli got me.
Kelly might have been able to.
But what was it? Where was I? Where was I? There I was.
Yeah, ODSTs didn't like Spartans.
They felt they were like, like just glory hogs would go through a sea of bullets just to get all the credit for the mission, which for the Spartans part,
they didn't care one way or the other.
It wasn't related to the mission, so it just was not relevant.
There were there's a couple like standouts where a Spartan manages through the mission.
There was Jerome 92 from Halo Wars who and you played Halo Wars 1, 2, right, Andy?
I did. I mean, I enjoy 1 and 2, but like 2, 1 is like a bit of a like a power trip.
Yeah, what's the thing about that?
Yeah, but even in the cut scenes, they're like, oh, the Spartans, they're like impervious.
And then like you've probably seen the cut scene before.
And then Halo 2 comes around like, oh, no, oh, no, leave him alone, Atriox, leave him alone.
He's just a little guy.
But Jerome and Sergeant Forge in the spirit of fire once got into a fight, which according to Halo Wars,
because it's like an unlockable lore thing, resulted in a broken chair, a hole in the bulkhead of the ship.
And the shipboard AI had to tell both of them to stop beating the hell out of each other, which,
you know, they always ate together in the mess hall after that, which, you know, that's nice.
At least not to be funny, but Forge is a badass. We love Forge.
Maybe he wasn't kidding when he said he could have taken the Arbiter if the lady hadn't stopped him.
And for the record, I could have kicked your ass the first time.
That's also also the first time Jerome used a chair in combat.
The second time was against the flood.
My man hit him with a steel chair.
He did. He beat a combat form over the.
Imagine beating up like a like a hive guard with a steel folding chair.
My god.
What he did.
There's also the armor, the Spartan, you know, the armor, the armor, the armor, the armor, the armor.
The armor, the Spartan Mjolnir armor marks one to three were prototypes that were flawed.
Couldn't really be used in proper fighting.
Mark four was the first one.
It's the one you see in, you know, Halo Wars.
That's what those Spartans are wearing.
And the could feasibly be used outside of testing.
It weighed about a thousand.
It weighed one thousand pounds.
Pretty much any piece of sci fi military equipment you can think of.
It had it, except for energy shielding, did not have that one yet.
Vacuum sealed and just every possible contingency in it to ensure that the decades long investment inside of it isn't going to die.
The moment some random bozo with a gun points it points it at them, which was very good timing because they had exactly, I believe, one insurrectionist mission.
In twenty five, twenty five.
And then the covenant showed up.
Who began the twenty eight year long process of reducing humanity from eight hundred worlds to.
At a dozen ish something like that.
Not many.
There were twenty four billion people in twenty five, twenty five in twenty five fifty three.
There were less than one.
The covenant did not take prisoners.
Regardless of what the garbage TV show seems to think it did, it did not.
They did, you know, they did decent in that operation against the the insurrection against the covenant.
They were just kind of thrown to the threat like Spartans, we have those.
Let's let's go deal with that.
Sam Kelly, the Spartans and good old John, master chief, boarded a covenant ship by a hole put into it by a mack round.
They planted missiles on the ship's generator, but Sam suit was breached by a plasma overcharge and the vacuum ceiling failed.
He stayed behind the detonate, the missiles and in the first engagement, the Spartans had completely destroyed the covenant ship at the cost of one of their own.
Who prior to this felt invincible, which began, I don't blame them for that.
I mean, first of all, they're 14 years old.
What teenager doesn't feel invincible and also super soldiers.
Yes, I imagine the craziest thing you did when you were a teenager and now imagine you can like lift a car with your hands like we would have got up some crazy stuff.
So I've been a teenager and having lots and lots of money.
You just you're not going to make a smart. Yeah, but like you don't make smart choices.
If you if you if you if you have lots of money and go into a nightclub and you're like a bit of a creep, you get slapped in the face.
But like if you can lift a car with your bare hands, like I'm sorry.
Yeah, you don't get slapped in the face because they can't reach your face.
They're not big enough. They're not tall enough.
But, you know, on the bright side, it proved, you know, both to the other Spartans and the rest of the UNSC, you can kill the covenant.
You can do it because prior to this, it took 13 UNSC ships to destroy a single covenant one.
And I'm pretty sure 10 of those UNSC ships exploded.
So, you know, hey, victory is possible.
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Law fact six UNSC used a sneaky nuke to shatter a covenant moon and half a planet that was only on one occasion.
Oh, dude, Nova bomb, my beloved. I don't know where they pulled that from, but.
And DJB says playing Bloodborne right now. Great game.
Fighting, fighting, living Collins boss.
That's quite rude. There's a boss called the Living Failures. I know what he's getting.
Oh, I don't know what the boss is for, but you know what?
Living Failures. It's like the swarm of the weird, bulby dudes.
Oh, yeah. And it's next to the church that the lost one of the left behind great ones is in.
Yeah, I think I remember that one. And they just come at you.
Then they did from a little garden, don't they?
Yeah, yeah, I believe so.
God's been a while since 60 FPS remake on PC is going to happen.
Please, please, please. And Half Life 3.
All right.
So with that opening round, the Spartan IIs would become humanity's greatest asset.
They were pretty much the only thing turning a complete defeat
into a defeat where it said we got something out of it and lost.
Like what the Spartans did cost the Covenant millions of their soldiers.
They weren't. Now, you might be thinking there's only like 30 of them now that Sam died.
I think it's like I think we're down to 29 now.
I know I think I think exactly 30. There's not a lot left is my point.
I might be thinking that's not a lot. How do they, you know, how do they help?
Because Spartans, you know, they weren't sent to the front lines unless absolutely necessary.
They were sent, you know, on the high priority missions.
UNSC armies holding off the Covenant. Spartans are sneaking behind, blowing up
anything that looks like it's even remotely valuable, assassinating key figures,
causing hell, basically.
In essence, play Halo on heroic.
And that's pretty much what the Spartans were doing.
They couldn't, you know, run in the middle of a field of Covenant bullets because that would kill them.
But they were taking out anything thrown at them.
They were the perfectly disciplined gods of war, basically.
They could take hits no one else could when they needed to.
They were stealthy. They were proficient in anything they were given.
They were unbelievable soldiers.
Hell, did you know Spartans are immortal?
As in like they don't age?
Well, that's actually some we could get to, but no, they never die.
As I don't know to what level they could be killed.
Anytime. No.
Here's a fact for you. Here's a little bit of lore.
Whenever one is, quote, killed, they're just listed as missing in action.
Spartans never. Spartans never die.
They just don't use them in action.
OK, I was like for a second, I was like the hunk of meat just sits there still pulsating.
Still wiggles every now and then.
And I've seen.
So well, they're basically a can of spam.
As long as they're in that tin shell, there's nothing they'll never degrade.
They'll be fine. You can put them in the skillets whenever you want.
They're fine inside that little tin coffin.
Yeah, but with that, though, they weren't even declassified until 2547,
just about 22 years after the program had finished augmenting them.
And six years before the war ends, it was done to both one boost morale,
because by this point, the writing is not even on the wall.
The wall has collapsed under the weight of all the writing on it that humanity is not winning.
It's not doing very good.
They left out the origin of the Spartans, but they revealed that, hey,
humanity's got these real cool supersoldiers that are wiping the floor with the Covenant,
which that part's not a lie.
And even before that, people talk and a Spartan grabbing basically a Humvee
and then beating an alien to death with it.
That's conversation worthy.
What word about that's going to get around?
So, yeah, 2547, they revealed that.
And that was also Oni Directive.
I wrote it down.
I can't find Directive 930.
What it was is these guys don't die.
They just go missing in action because the truth that Spartans could die,
probably not something you want to let the public know about that they're most massive.
Morale decrease.
Yeah, that's on the battlefield is about the same as like if a guardsman sees a space
spring, just get atomized, except there's only 30 of these guys.
Yeah, it's like imagine every time one dies, it's like Commander Dante is lost.
Like, oh, no, not Dante.
He's gone to the Emperor's.
He's fighting with the Emperor in hell.
It's like.
By the end of the week.
Like a Primarch, I suppose, with the Space Marine.
A returns of comparison, yeah.
Yeah, they're like, imagine if it was just like,
by the by, guys, Lionel Johnson is dead.
Oh, no.
Please no.
If Master Chief like if he died, like when he died, Halo three, if that was public knowledge,
every human alive left is killing themselves.
That's even a line.
What do the Marines give sometimes when you die?
They're like, well, I guess I'll eat my gun now.
Plastic bag says RIP Carter.
He was a real one.
We'll get to Noble Team shortly.
Almost done with the Spartan twos.
By the end of the human covenant war, there were only 16 of them left,
at least known to survive.
It was a little bit higher than that.
Red Team, for example, they weren't listed as having survived.
Those are guys from Halo Wars.
But the Spirit of Fire was listed as having been lost with all hands.
So even though the Red Team was listed as being alive.
And no one really thought they were.
And, you know, despite these guys best efforts, 29 of them is not enough to prevent an alien
empire that has at least most of the galactic arm humanity is on under its control.
That's can't really fight that off, especially because, you know, Spartans are people and
the covenant would usually just glass a planet from space unless it had foreigner artifacts
on it, whereupon they would go land, look for the artifacts and then glass the planet.
I guess that was a big technological gap between their massive technological gap.
Technological gap.
Difference between an average guardsman and the Tau, probably worse, in all honesty.
Like I know the Mechanicus's deep vaults have stuff that makes the Tau look like cavemen.
But your average guardsman does not have that stuff.
It's a trusty...
The way it's written in Warhammer, sometimes the Laz is like, oh, it's the fucking Laz gun,
man, this thing is like, it can do so much damage.
And then it's like, oh my God, his flashlight, his flashlight gun.
There was a massive technological gap.
Humanity was not in a winning position in any way whatsoever.
They needed, you know, they needed more men, more ships, equipment, technology, everything.
And most prevalently for this, needed more Spartans.
So Spartan III program created and directed now by Colonel James Ackerson,
who I'm going to call Ackerman at least once by accident because I keep thinking of Attack on Titan.
His name is one syllable different.
They were...
Levi.
I keep thinking of Levi when I hear Ackerson.
I almost, I almost did it.
Oh, bro, I can't, I don't, I do, I don't even want to finish Attack on Titan.
I heard the ending is a bit mid.
I mean, it's not, it's not great, but only I don't think it's that bad, honestly.
But...
It was a good first, that first season though, that first season blew my mind, blew my mind.
At least the first episode of the ending, it's been out for over a year at this point.
I'm going to spoil it.
Hanji's death, man, that made me tear up and I hadn't seen like the preceding two seasons.
And I think, yeah, I think there's one of those shows that you probably don't have to go in,
like that, you're not going to miss like everything.
You actually would in that show.
I just don't.
It goes completely off its rails.
I mean, it's like in Warhammer, when certain things are still mysterious, there is like a kind of like,
like we still talk about missing Primarchs, even like 20, 30 years off, like that mystery is like,
it just won't be solved.
It's not, it's never going to be, that's the point.
They're only going to solve that mystery if there's a financial reason to solve that mystery.
Yeah, when the stocks dip a bit too low.
Well, the thing is, is like, if it continues with the trend of like one Primarch every five years,
there's like a good view still to come.
Just the lawyer.
I think they are, I think they couldn't, like, they may need to slow down a bit in terms of,
like, it's okay, it's okay for Primarch returns, and they just don't join the Imperium.
Like if Vulcan is like, hi, I'm here, I'll pop in and out every once in a while, but I'm not like,
I don't want to join the company.
I just want to like, I want to be like freelance.
The Imperium is even worse than it was when I was around, and it's not, it wasn't that great to begin with.
Yeah, I don't mind if they like a few of them freelance, but I think at some point is just,
there's too many players on the field.
The two missing Primarchs, like, I believe, I think I also read they were explicitly just a reference to like,
The missing legions.
Yeah, the Roe, the Tautogen Forest, like the legions destroyed there.
That was it, and they just like, at the time, 40k wasn't nearly as developed, so they didn't think about going forward,
like, oh, we said there's these two Primarchs got rid of because they did stuff worse than Horus.
We can never talk about that because there's nothing we could come up with.
I'll be, I mean, it might, if it happens in my lifetime, that'd be crazy.
I mean, but if we think about it, like, if we take Gilliman and Lyon out the equation, we don't count Sanguineous and
Ferris, because they're dead.
That's four.
So there's five Primarchs left, right?
So there's what?
Jagatai, Leemon, Rogal Dawn, maybe.
Khorax and Vulcan, if that's five years apart, that's 20 years.
That's, I'll be 50.
I'll be 50 when they roll back.
But every Primarch you bring back, I know this sounds, it is obvious, but everyone you bring back
is one you can no longer bring back in a big event.
So at some point, like you got to be, you need to be conservative with that.
I think you should bring none of them back.
But all I'm saying is like, if they roll back Vulcan, like Tushan doesn't have a model or like much artwork.
So nothing is lost.
We need some Salamanders before we get Vulcan, please.
Yeah.
Can we have like Vulcan to maybe get some Salamanders?
Like, oh, I get Kavan Shrike and Korsaro exist, but let's be honest.
No one gives a shit.
They'd prefer if we brought back Khorax and Jagatai.
Leman Bjorn is like a dreadnought and he's now a model that is now no longer in production.
So we could bring Leman and like Regal Dawn, like, oh, who's in charge?
What's his name?
I can't even remember the chapter master's name.
Vladimir something.
Who cares is the answer.
Yeah.
It's like bring them back.
Why not?
I think they could kill off, they could kill off Lorgar and Khorax and I don't think anyone would.
They're both demons though.
They're like some of the ones you can't kill off.
Yeah, but I wonder if like it'll be like, because that's already like an existing prophecy thing
and being like if he fights Khorax, he'll die.
I just think it was like, yeah, like bring them back and then they kill, they die.
Some need to die.
So I'll continue with Halo.
Sorry, Halo.
No worries.
Spartan 3s.
Optimistically, well, they were intended and they were the next generations of Spartans,
improving on the 2s.
It was very optimistically hoped that there would be over a hundred thousand Spartan 3s deployed.
So they could use them as like an actual proper army force, not just, you know, spec op soldiers.
That never happened, but can't fault them for having that spirit.
But you know, this time they had a, they had a different way of, you know, of acquiring the Spartans.
Instead of just kidnapping children from, you know, random planets.
They would approach, you know, they would go to a child from a colony destroyed by the covenant and go,
Hey, little Timmy or little Sally, do you want revenge on the people who killed mommy and daddy?
And then they would kidnap them and turn them into super soldiers.
You know, these were now explicitly war orphans.
They're pumping full of drugs and throwing in an unmarked van and then telling them to kill aliens.
Now they're designed to kill aliens.
First batch was all gathered by December 27th,
2532 and four years later by 2536.
They're ready to go.
Their augmentations were far more advanced than the Spartan 2s.
Akrasin and those on the project.
They took the data from Halsey as well as just, you know, accounting for advancements and technologies in the last 20 years.
And it allowed for both, you know, a wider gene pool.
You could be a little bit less strict with who you augmented.
You don't need to be baby Hercules.
You don't need to be baby Hercules anymore.
And it was a safer procedure to the point that I don't think anyone actually died from becoming a Spartan 3.
Some didn't quite, you know, take, but they didn't die.
So we got that going for them.
Their training was also headed by a Spartan 2, Kurt,
who was been was said to be even more intensive than the Spartan 2s training.
So they were going through the wringer.
The three main companies, as they were come to be known as, I believe, were Alpha, Beta and Gamma.
And it's a pick your poison in terms of who got the worst deal.
Gamma Company in particular was further enhanced with three additional drugs given to their augmentations.
One of them both prevented their bodies from going into shock, as well as, you know, making them deadlier in combat.
It basically, let's see what's the word it.
Spartan 2s had fight or flight disciplined out of them.
This drug just turned off the Gammas.
It just turned off flight.
All that is left is fight.
The other two drugs that were given had to be regular taken because that first drug,
if those two other ones were taken, the Spartan 3s of Gamma Company would drive be driven into an animalistic rage.
You would watch 28 days later.
Yeah, very depressing.
Yeah.
Well, if a Gamma didn't get their happy pills, it was that just not infectious, but also worse because it's a Spartan.
And 28 weeks later is also, but to be fair, what's that tune that goes,
It's a great tune.
I know.
But yeah, it was
That's what happened when a Spartan 3 didn't get their happy pills at least of gamma company.
But for what it's worth,
in
ideal circumstances, which admittedly there's a couple reasons that didn't happen we'll get to
Spartan 3s could have been every bit as deadly as the 2s and probably more so and I promise that's not just my favoritism for Halo Reach talking
because how about I just tell you what Fred and Kelly thought?
Fred was like watching them fight and he was saying that they are fighting incredibly like even for a Spartan their attacks are masterworks.
Kelly fought one briefly
and the
3 was able to twist her arm and like Kelly put him in an arm lock and then 3 broke out, twisted her arm and just ran away.
Now, she did lay him out not long afterwards, but immediately after she punched the dude in the face and then immediately afterwards he was up and moving
and Kelly noted that if I did that to any normal person, I would have just ripped their arm clean off.
So that's how Kelly was like, I'm gonna wreck it and that was her thing.
For that matter, that punch to the face probably would have turned anyone's skull into a
jelly. So yeah, and if all that's not enough for you, in one of the books, June, Noble Team Spartan 3,
was ripped out into the vacuum of space without a helmet and fought his way.
Well, first he was fighting out in the vacuum of space, then when he was done fighting, he got back in after the fact.
Very, very Gilliman of him.
He wasn't feeling great, you know, it wasn't an enjoyable experience,
but he did recover and I mean, it's more than any of us could say.
The problems of the threes, which is really the circumstances regarding their creation,
because Oni didn't really want Spartan 2s, but better. They needed expendable time, like expendable soldiers
that could do missions that ODSTs couldn't and Spartan 2s couldn't without getting the
ODSTs couldn't and Spartan 2s couldn't without dying.
Yeah, it's like you could have 50 super soldiers, but that means you can only deploy them to 50 battles.
And if you're doing a galactic-wide
campaign,
50 is not much. Yeah. Yes, you might win 50 battles,
but then you need more. It's not enough. Yeah, so they
were given, compared to what their predecessors had,
substandard equipment and were treated as what they were expendable. They were given semi-powered infiltration armor, SPI armor for short,
that gave them a little bit of a boost to their strength and speed,
not much. And I don't mean like,
you know, paradox game players where it's like, oh, this only gives me a 5% instead of a 6%, that's apparently massive because
paradox players are psychotic at a certain level.
Normal people could wear SPI armor without their nervous system just collapsing in on itself, which
if you tried to wear Mjolnir armor as just a normal person,
the spasms of your nervous system being thrown out of whack would kill you.
We have a donation by TheLegendHimselfCribsInGlory, RIP051Curt, he was a real one.
Kurt was a real one. Shout out to nuking those Covenant.
DonkeymanUSA again with lore fact number seven.
Jun may or may not have gotten off-reach by climbing a space elevator.
Is that just, I don't know, Copium there, I don't know.
I'm sure he had eyes in a later book though.
He might, but hey, he trained the force, he got off-reach, he lived, like, him living is not Copium, he lived.
And a donation by AlphaOmega5Bucks, he says, at least Oni sold that ethical dilemma from Amber Alert and Flash clones to semi-optimal
A-Gog from Hell?
A gogi.
That's probably a goji, that's what the Spartans, actual Spartans were like trained in, so.
Semi-optional, you know, they asked the kids if they wanted to get revenge for mommy and daddy.
I still really like that.
I'll see if I can find it, hold on.
Yeah.
Spartan IIs all the way also.
Some of them, like Spartan IVs or Spartan IIs were 13 when they were thrown into the fire, not old.
Some of the Spartan IIs were 11, or Spartan IIIs were 11.
Like, they had puberty put in early.
Because they need the supersoldiers now, time for them to fight.
They were younger than the two IIIs, less well equipped.
Because you can make 100 suits of SPI armor for every Milner suit you made, it's just effective, it's just better ODST armor at the end of the day.
Like, it's inherently stealthy, like it's got reflective plates.
That's really the only noticeable benefit you're getting out of it.
And to top it off, the mission Spartan IIIs were sent on were, like I said, the ones with the 100% casualty rate usually.
Alpha, Beta, and Gamma each had about 300 members. Gamma had, I believe, 330, but about 300.
There was a planned Delta company that never came about because the war ended.
But Alpha Company served for nine months in 2536, and they performed spectacularly.
A couple of them were taken off of Alpha Company earlier, but most of them stayed in Alpha Company.
Then what's known as Operation Prometheus happened, where they were going to destroy Covenant shipyard, which they did.
Every single one of them died doing it. All of them. Not a single Alpha left that battle alive.
Beta Company, similar deal, had a period of spectacular stellar service against the Covenant.
And then Operation Torpedo, same case as before, particularly valuable members were taken off the mission.
Everyone else, go complete Operation Torpedo and die doing it.
But, you know, two of them survived this time. We're up from zero.
Hey, that's something.
And then there was Gamma Company, which was a rush job, even by the standards of the IIIs.
Because you take a seven year old and biologically, because of the augmentations, they were turned into an adult in about nine months.
And you see the Spartan IIs had to learn how to walk again.
The Gammas had to learn how to move their fingers and grab things and coordinate again.
Horrible stuff.
They didn't have nearly the amount of cavalry as the other companies, and a lot of them would survive the war,
which led to ONI having to figure out how to just what the hell to do with them,
because that angry juice in their brain problem would, you know, keep...
You don't want the rage virus breaking out among your super soldiers.
But they were, they did end up being sent on like far away special ops stuff to keep them out of the public eye.
Don't be a Spartan III, even more than a II, maybe.
Wasn't a good, wasn't the good storyline for them in the end.
No, no. Horrible, horrible.
There were about three alternatives to Company Death, which was the usual option.
One was, some of them were put on special teams, given the actual Mjolnir armor,
and they were treated about the same way as Spartan IIs, which is, you're still going on horrible suicidal missions.
But special guy that you are, you could feasibly do this without guaranteeing your death.
And they were treated so similar to the point that a lot of what Spartan IIIs did were was attributed to the IIs,
because the public wasn't really aware there was different generations of Spartans.
Spartan was a Spartan as far as they cared, which for the IIIs part, they didn't really care.
They just wanted to kill aliens.
You can even see some of these guys in the last mission of Halo Reach, although it's just their corpses.
So, you know, still probably not a happy end.
Damn, they just don't get any, like, proper dubs. It's just like, year, kinda.
Yeah. There was Noble Team, which is just kind of its own thing.
It was under the Army's jurisdiction.
They got Mjolnir armor. They didn't have the same restrictions as other Spartans, which usually you're not allowed to collect covenant weapons.
You're supposed to destroy them in case they get destroyed, or in case they have like trackers on them and they can find more human worlds easily.
Emile has a collection of them for fun, just because he's from that period of gaming where one of your main characters could have a personality that starts and ends with having a skull for a face.
Damn, good old Mjolnir.
And it's all like every time there's a collectible armor piece. It's Emile, top of the stack, 50 billion V-Bucks to get.
50 million Reach fun bucks.
It's like, rock, it's okay. It's like, I'm ready. How about you? Yeah, that's a cool line, not gonna lie.
Cookery knife, pretty cool.
He died like a real hero.
Cosmic Stealth Bomber says, Hey, their reach has the best Forge maps.
Oh, yeah.
Phenomenal Forge stuff.
Noble Team, it was always a six man team with another one rotated in when they fell, with a special exception again for Emile, who had someone rotated in for his place whenever they fought Insurrectionist.
Because whatever he did to them, he was so brutal that he made the agency that kidnapped children to make super soldiers out of say, hey man, you're going too far, you got to cut that out.
No idea what he did to the Innis, I don't know if I want to know.
But it's like a flayed one he just wore them.
I might have public relations nightmare, whatever it was.
And then the last other option, you could have been a headhunter, which I know someone said, was it Spartan Nightlords?
Basically, these were threes that managed to complete at least two of their assigned missions. They were taken from the respective companies.
And officially, their job was like they would go behind enemy lines on like the most brutal of missions that need to get done, given extra training, given either Mjolnir armor or, pardon me, they were given a special SPI armor that was almost approaching kind of equal to Mjolnir, but still not really.
Officially, that was their job.
But in practice, the UNSC gave them all these fancy toys and training and said, go have fun behind covenant lines.
And then they did, and there was absolutely a couple headhunters who were wearing grunt skin capes.
That was the threes.
That was probably the most tragic of the Spartans because again, they're just thrown into their deaths because humanity needed more bodies in the line of fire.
It's just like, hey, I want Spartans. We have Spartans at home.
Spartan threes. They're like Spartans from wish.com.
Yeah, well, they're good, but they're not as good.
If treated the same way as the twos, they could have been better, but that was never their purpose. They were never supposed to be better.
I don't know what this comment means, but Mr. Milo says, Emile and Thankul were on the same page.
I think that's just being horrible beings.
Truly the worst.
I'll give Halsey some amount of credit.
She was never, she still kidnapped the children.
She never was able to really truly convince herself that she needed to do that.
She kind of carried that guilt with her for the rest of her life and every single one of their deaths.
Like she felt personally responsible for, which to some extent, yeah, you are.
But, you know, I'll give her credit.
She felt some level of remorse.
Yeah. Was like, all right, first batch died. We need another one cup. Chop chop, boys. Come on. We need we need more super soldiers.
Did not care. Yes.
I mean, Big E has no remorse, whereas Halsey was at least was like, yeah, I feel bad.
Any other way I would have done like differently, but we're desperate.
It's like maybe looking back, I definitely could have done some things different, but yeah.
Crimson Gloria, another five bucks, says, Did you mention how all of noble teams deaths are intertwined with their character?
They are. I was about to say with the Spartan twos or threes, because so much was attributed to the twos.
No one really remembered them with the only major exception being that on reach after they started up, like re terraforming and making a habitable again.
There's a statue dedicated to noble team in the city of New Alexandria, which I thought was was nice.
If you're fair, this trailer here that we're showing is the actual predecessor to Noble Six, I believe.
Canonically, this is like and this is his last moment before you come into the game.
Yeah. Yeah. For what it's worth, like it's him and he blows up a ship.
So they they did their job. But, you know, he explodes.
I also think while while I'm looking at it, he absolutely had time to throw that and then run if he wasn't staring at that.
Yeah, like he clearly started running.
Unless he was just like, I know I know I'm not going to make it.
I'll try and run, but he should have just stayed still.
You see him turn around, though. Why did he bother?
Because cool guys don't look at explosions.
No, they don't run from explosions, which he just did.
They walk away slowly then.
Yeah. Oh, yeah. With Noble Team, Carter's the Carter's the leader who go down with a ship, cats the like the you know, the intelligence person.
She gets shot in the brain.
George saw reaches his home and he died to save it, which slipspace rupture detected did not work.
Was Emil was the sniper is the only one to live. No, June.
How ironic was a meal's death? He was the close quarters guy and he got shanked with a sword and Noble Six, who was told to cut the lone wolf stuff at the beginning of the game.
And then the last mission to Halo Reach is called Lone Wolf and that and Carter dies smashing.
He goes. He's the he's the he's the leader of the team and he goes down with the ship quite literally.
Yeah. Although killing a scarab is pretty cool.
He didn't have the firepower, but he had the mass.
F.
And then last but not least, and I say not least because Project Orion existed and was a flop.
Spartan fours, which is also a case study and why first impressions matter, because I guarantee you people would not feel nearly as down on them as they do.
If the first interaction with the Spartan four wasn't Palmer sassing the chief.
Thank you. Thank you.
Jesus, Palmer is such a shit character. I hate Palmer.
Are you a little short? I thought you'd be taught. It's like, fuck off.
You know, he could fold you like a chair.
Yeah, it's like, could you not have any respect for the, the forbearance.
The Master Chief.
The Master Chief. And you're going to be like, I'm going to be a bit of a shit can.
And then, you know, it is just a rank, but that's, there's a Master Chief and then there's the Master Chief.
And the thing is, I wouldn't mind if she was shitty to everyone else, including her own Spartans.
Then it was like, oh, Master Chief showed a bit of reverence.
But it's like, hey, not being funny.
You're playing in the wrong league. He's out of your league.
Stay in your lane.
I say, Lorefact 8, my copium addiction tells me 6 is still in the cave. Trust me, that is totally, and he's still there.
I promise he's alive.
Noble 6, he's totally alive. He's good.
Cope.
It's Cope. I wish, man.
Well, so, Palmer, Palmer's not that hot. She's just tall. Calm down.
Some would say they're one and the same.
It's like, it reminds me of in the Kaifers Kane book where he says, he doesn't, he always wonders how some people like really like have a thing for the Adeptus Sororityus, because they all have that same ugly haircut.
And he says, they pull such a face that...
Danny DeVito in that one episode of Always Sunny where he's got, I can't remember where his name is.
He's the artist, isn't he? Yeah.
The fine art thing, but he says the way they, the faces they pull, and that same ridiculous haircut.
Ongo Gablogian, there you go. Ongo Gablogian. There we go.
Love Danny.
Spartan 4s as a whole, I'll defend this project as being a completely reasonable and logical next step for Spartans in the universe.
It makes sense.
Spartan 4 program, very simple premise and kind of calls back to the original one.
Take younger Marines like candidates that show promise, as well as veterans, all of them still volunteers. We're done kidnapping children everyone. We've moved past those times.
And turned them into demigods. This one was headed by two Spartans.
One known as Admiral Musa, who was one of the Spartan 2 washouts, but he managed to live and be it
roughly functional. And June from Noble Team. You see, like there's no copium. He lived.
Ackerson was going to head the project again with Halsey, them working together, but then Ackerson exploded and Halsey was arrested.
So neither of them were available at the time. They were quite occupied as it were.
The Spartan 4s, this led to the creation of just the Spartan Operations Branch. The UNSC decided we're just going to make a branch for this.
Feel like this is worthy of its own like little department of the military.
Whose whole job is just deploying and overseeing, maintaining everything to do with the Spartans.
Some of them, you know, there was some questioning as of to the necessity of it, the Spartan 4s.
And because of what the recruitment was like, mostly from ONI, because when you kidnap children, you can brainwash them all day long.
But when you take a volunteer from the military, you know, your super soldier who's going to rip his way through tanks like they're butter.
You know, he might have some baggage. He might decide that deserting and joining the other side is actually what he wants to do.
He or she might go, well, actually, maybe I like the insurrection. Maybe I'm going to kill the rookie.
Maybe I'm going to. New Blood is a horrible book that shouldn't have been written ever. Fuck you.
But, you know, that's besides the point. Even with those concerns in mind, Spartan 4s, they went ahead with it.
And January 7th, 2553 was when it started.
And within the next few years, more and more Spartan 4s would be created.
These guys even get to keep their last names instead of being just the first name and a number since they don't need to erase their identities anymore.
Their augmentations are better and worse. We'll go with the better first.
They're far more forgiving. Like I couldn't. There's nothing about a casualty rate.
And I couldn't even find anything about them washing out. So like.
We have a donation by Crimson Glory. Again, brother, thank you.
Says in block capital's done kidnapping and brainwashing children. What is this?
Capitalism. The free market has decided capitalism.
The free market has decided we don't need to put children into the mines of reach any longer.
It turns out. If the market's gone, got to put those child soldiers in the line.
It does. It's far cheaper to get adults and volunteer adults rather than, you know, cloning children.
You've not quite fully grown. I'm just saying we can't make iPhones.
If there are if the Covenant own all of the semi-precious metal mines, we've got to kill the aliens.
We can't have child laborers. It's fine.
If you want to still enjoy Tesco meal deals, we've got to have child soldiers. That's just the reality.
That's kind of like, you know, really enough. If everyone has seen the fallout TV show turn away just for spoilers now.
Unless you guys don't hear it. I enjoyed that. Yeah.
The whole plot that they change like some bits, but the whole plot point was that Volt Tech and all the other corporations that you see pop up and fall out games.
They supposedly like encourage the nuke dropping to essentially eliminate the entire surface of the world so that when they rebuild the world, they will entirely control the capital.
Yeah, they'll have the entire market share if you kill all the market. Why not?
So the specific way they did that is absolutely dumb.
But like Volt Tech causing like has been hinted before as being like behind the bombs.
Well, I suppose that they got upset that the war was likely not going to escalate or they were going to stand down.
So they were like they had to push the yeah.
If we want to get a return on all these volts we built better make sure there's a war.
Why not? The reasoning like that specific reasoning is kind of whack.
But like Volt Tech being somewhat behind it as that's been hinted before.
Plus a good lover seeing the cameo of Mr. House, my man.
Vegas.
It's going to happen. They're going to be they're going to get a Vegas, Colin. You have to watch Fallout.
I mean, it's not I won't I won't blow your mind, but it's all right. It's pretty good.
I mean, I would say considering with considering we're talking about Halo, it's far in superior.
I like loving the source material.
Yeah, I was on a two boxes Spartans got two sides of ballin and balling.
Right. Thank you. Appreciate that, brother.
Was on fours. Yeah, they're you know, they made, you know, stronger, better, faster, smarter, harder, all that.
Everything in the Daft Punk song than normal soldiers.
They were, you know, obviously better training.
The surgeries last about three weeks and when you're done, you get a super soldier.
And as a further bonus, there the armor allowed them like they were wearing was far and away better than the previous like Mjolnir armor.
Definitely better than SPI armor, but that's not saying much that it could kind of like level the playing field between a two and a four.
The downside is that the Spartan fours need two hours like of specialty training.
More another two hours of physical conditioning and augmentation monitoring to make sure that they're taking
it's it's less potent like they need to be checked out to make sure everything's going all good and you're in your in your in your organs and that crap.
Also, I feel like I'm misunderstanding this but when I was reading through like the augmentations for the force.
The way I understood it was that it sounds like they took all of the meat off your bones and then put it back on, which I feel can't be right.
Because you kind of need that. Yeah, but I mean I mean you have layers of skin like you have sub dermal and like you could you could theoretically if you're under anesthesia take all someone's skin off and then put it back on, assuming that stress
responses weren't active, you could do that with the skin I just maybe I was definitely misreading it because the first time I was going through it like, as I read it, it's it sounded like they just, they took the meat away, you had no more meat.
It's wild to describe it. Yeah.
I mean, I mean, think think of it like, like a sausage, you can take the outer layer of skin off but you still got the sausage inside so like they can always peel that off they could banana peel you put something on it, I know that's the whole, that's how you do primaris them
basically they have a sub dermal, they peel them back, and they put on like muscle fibers.
That's probably what it was it's just in my initial reading I didn't see it as like they took the skin off. Yeah, I read it as like, imagine the bone eating a chicken wing down to the bone is what I love them, and then putting the meat back on the chicken wing.
Crimson Gloria going to about thank you so much for removing me and me attached to bone simple.
Sarah Palmer there are bugs under your skin. I mean, I mean, have you heard of the term de gloving.
Yes, horrifying. Yeah, no thank you. Yeah. But as long as you're asleep, it's fine.
But, you know, another plus side twos were cheaper than the fours are definitely cheaper than the twos but they were a constant investment you kind of need to keep your eyes on twos and threes, ignoring gamma again.
Once you're done. Whoever lived and made it through, they were good. You didn't need to maintain them again the gamma and their anger medicine.
Spartan fours you need constant doctor visits and more mentioning that immortality thing from earlier Spartan twos and threes might be biologically immortal. I don't know if it's ever touched upon, but Spartan threes.
They're said to be like in the prime of their life for about a century. And they could probably live twice as long as an elite who can live up to 300 years so that's the Spartan that needs pretty constant maintenance can live up to 600 years.
I don't know I don't know if Master Chief could ever die of old age.
Not that he's lucky enough not that the gains would even let him know. I know, but, you know, if there's still money in Halo, they will keep beating that. Yeah, but he's that archetype of like, are you guys familiar with the game Red Faction.
Yeah, yeah, like in Red Faction Armageddon there's like an Easter egg of the original character. It's just like some crazy old man who lives in the hills and say I didn't die I'm still here. You're like, that'd be john 117 like an eight foot tall guy living in the hills just like, I'm still alive.
I'm not.
Yeah, he's a there. Never really touched upon because even in universe it's only been like 30 odd years 40 since the twos were finished, so they just haven't had time to die of old age if it's possible but might live forever.
Chief will live to 40k and Master Chief is the real second Primark.
Truly is what he doesn't have Mule now he has plumb.
Truly, he said to be the luckiest Spartan he's so lucky it affects the universe. He has 11 out of 10 in luck stat. Yeah.
It was the worst builders the worst idea ever had didn't do anything. Yeah, yeah, like builds in Fallout are great and luck is also great in fire emblem because it means you don't get critic as much.
Yes, that's, that's, that's very true but jackal snipers from Halo two on legendary could probably murder the emperor, it's, it's, you know, yeah, bullshit, you stick your foot around a corner and then you're dead, and, you know, you didn't see what killed you but you know what happened.
You know when I, when I got Halo two on release I remember playing like I was like I've done Halo one on legendary and I got Halo two going all right I got to that one bit and then it was just like, what the fuck.
And it was just like half an hour to say what the fuck.
Yes. So, it was a it was a growing moment for me.
Let me let me let me just throw this in here for anyone interested.
It's the Boulevard of jackal snipers.
But
let's, we're almost done, we're almost I'm almost done with the Spartan Lord vomit with the twos versus the force.
Outside of their armor, not at all equal.
If the Spartan for augmentations are less intensive than the twos, they would fold them like a rag doll with the gen to me on their armor the force have, it's like, the point is to make up for the augmentations not being as severe, which is why for you
know all the travesty that is Halo five, it's single player campaign.
And the fact that they're not going to rock, you know, the chief needed a minute to kill, or you know to put them down instead of two seconds.
That being said, I don't know if they ever said why, or if the remaining twos and threes can't just be given the upgraded meal their armor and they can just rocket past the force.
And then how Halo seems to have taken to throwing shit at the wall and then abandoning it between Halo five and whatever the hell the endless are an infinite.
Who knows, probably never will be addressed.
You know what the, I even I was like confused I remember seeing I was watching Rooster Teeth at the time with like Halo five dropping I was like, damn, you know, gameplay seems pretty good and then hit like from when I followed it to Halo infinite I was like, what, like they
did it, I mean, as much as a halo fire was like, they set up something massive.
And then they went, hey, end of gears war five, where they went hey, and the gears five, one of the two main characters has to die. And it's like, oh, the, the, the mother of them of what's her name is like the locust queen.
And they obviously didn't know what the hell to do with that. So now they're doing a prequel site guys.
Don't do gear six just let us go back to the good old days. Even within that there were projects for like a helldivers style odst game almost that was canceled, not even by 343 like Microsoft higher up so good ideas are in short supply.
Do you think they read, do you reckon, as of like NASA 2024 they don't really know where they want to go with, hey, I even remember like infinite, infinite support.
Over the place. I think it's maybe the problem with like when a studio has worked on something for so long they crave doing like Bethesda could have dropped elder scroll six in like PS4 PlayStation five, like next gen stuff.
Like PlayStation five or like you know Xbox one or whatever but they never did because they were like we were desperate to work on something else so we're going to release starfield as a time recording starfield is basic starfield is a game on paper.
Like yours there, it doesn't have a soul.
It. Yeah, so, yeah, I reckon maybe 343 or like we just want to do something else so bad. Yeah, there's money train going, I think, unfortunately, halos soul right now is that one of the Spartan to wash outs.
Yeah, I think the thing about a lot of these studios like 343 and such and the coalition it's like, we want to pursue the margins rather than the game. It's like, oh, we want to like make a big expansive.
And then my worry we were we were opening worldy lots of guns or look at that, rather than like, how about we just do what the fans want.
We want more value from the fans we need to get new people involved so we're going to expand and make it ironically it's because it's just it's the slightly is the one problem where like it's trying to be a setting, rather than a finished like story, also
glory again with the donation that he raises on a happy note. Have you seen the new doom trailer is it do you know I think God with the shield. Don't miss the skull the skull gun that shoots ground up skulls they out war hammered war hammer.
Doom has not really missed as it is really not since 2016.
Because the if you had a master chief skin on do you would be the same thing.
Oh, but, uh, almost done. Last couple things now.
For what it's worth. I'll give you the opinion of Edward buck on the differences between you know the two is threes and fours.
He was a he was an ODST who became a four, and even before he was a four.
And he was outright said billion. Yeah, we're like if this guy was any better he'd just be a Spartan, so you can probably assume he knows what he's talking about. So, DJ beast.
Starfield is like Collins dating life theoretically is real but no one believes in my dude leave my get out.
Leave him alone.
He's, he's only case man. Jesus Christ. Fuck so I can end this and cease my torment.
Find his house.
He called the he called the two's like Titans like of Greek myth like they're just head and shoulders above everyone else.
The threes were you know the gods like not quite as strong as the Titans but definitely up there.
And he said like the fours were like you know the demigods like you know Hercules like heroes of myth Odysseus thesias.
Maybe at a maybe at first glance they're not that much different than normal people but they're, they're definitely something special.
And at the end of the day, you want to see high command has what's known as corruptor protocol, which is what happens when a Spartan is infected by the flood.
It has happened once. And with that in mind, I don't think there's any functional difference in terms of how likely you are to make it out alive between a two, three or four infected by the flood.
I think you're going to die.
So, in terms of how it matters for normal people functionally.
They're going to fold you in half equally well.
And that is the Spartans.
Wow. Any, any questions.
More like just a statement of my god, there's just, I think, because we're talking about with Space Marine, they don't really win a phase of the mind where it's like, there's only technically two, there's like different sets of armor defined on most generations
but there's no such thing as like, other than, I guess the Primaris Marine is an example like another generation of Space Marine.
All I'm saying is, I like the consistency with the Spartan variations, but please God bungee, not bungee, free for free. Don't make Spartan fives, just don't.
Just don't for the sake of doing it just for is enough for is enough please.
For is good.
If the store, if, if the money's there to sell things about it, it will happen. Like with them. I think, really, I mean like, probably I predict maybe 20 years from now we'll both will be like, do you guys remember Primaris Marines.
You know I mean like it will be a good thing of, you know, at some point they're like we need to sell more Space Marine surely.
Primaris Marines now.
Stormcast us eternalists.
Yeah, there's newer models look like they found their like uniqueness amongst not being copious Space Marines. No, no, they're the news models, I can't wait.
I can't wait for age of Sigmaris. There we go. Yeah, that's what it's going to be age of Gilmar.
No, I think I don't know what they'll do in the future with it. I mean, if when like because Warhammer now will be as much as like Halo like is a huge franchise and more people know what Halo is rather than Warhammer.
Warhammer is on an uptick and you know be crazy. I mean, I suspect when it goes to like a mainstream level it won't be. It might have to be cleaned up a little bit just because I suspect people might be like, oh my god that makes me want to throw up in my mouth.
Yeah, that's, that's crazy. But I think yeah I mean if it's like an on screen or like some of that it'll be, it'll still be Warhammer but it'll have to be like, yo, these are Space Marines are cool aren't they that you know Space Marine two is not going to be checking out demon hosts that, you know, invert someone anus first.
Probably Darktide did. Well that was a sentence.
Yeah, what a way to end and the Halo episode demon host it is hurting you asshole first last another nation by the salty schmuck was a great name by the way you've done it john rings you've become the Halo infinite.
He didn't say Johnny rings.
I think to that like in the future like is like silly like what divided p like me growing up not replaying much hey that was simply the fact that it was content exclusive on certain platforms like play being a more PC now it's thing I, you know what I mean like at some point it should be
like, we really need to get everyone by well they got game pass so halos always on like game pass stuff so you can get on BC. I'm just waiting for the point will be like, oh, john halo.
There's one ring to rule them all one ring to bind them in the galaxy bind them like, yeah, I guess one last one rings, why not. One last question I'll add then for Colin as our, you know, he gave an absolute showing of, you know, law not law
knowledge today. What would you do to the Halo franchise to kind of, I guess, more, it's not dead but like to kind of give it a new life or resurrected in some way.
I guess focus on some like non Master Chief stuff like another ods t game or some go back to the human covenant war, or I, I see what I want to see what some of those like potential spin off games that were being cooked up before Microsoft put them down.
I don't know what's going on with there because yeah, oh yes, hell divers but ods t sounds fun as hell. You know what I think would be fun. What if you just did a spin off called Halo new Mombasa, and it goes from when Master Chief drops down to when the warp
rift messes everything up and then you have to survive.
You could do an ods t style spin off. It's in like greatest hits of Halo two. And you could just you could just have a bit of fun with it and then when the when the slips they win the slip space rupture happens.
You could take it in a different direction but it's like hey, you could get you could you could key on in on that nostalgia, but also make a good fun game that isn't about john halo and the rings.
Yeah, but kind of like what they do with like Star Wars these days it's like oh we'll do another. We need we need more Darth Vader, put it during a Darth Vader era, it's fine.
Yeah, but making it needs someone with a interesting idea and good direction to really like steel with with most games like it's usually been one person's like, at least, at least in the beginning that one person's good vision that they've seen success with
and just to follow that thing. There's, there are two donations but I want to three, three, I'm going to ask them in different orders. There's one I want to stick on which is criminal glory says give it back to bungee for two bucks.
I think bungee bungee is like what they're doing.
I think they're doing destiny three at the moment so that's kind of so that's the free they're doing destiny 2.11057892 and executing it while they're at it.
And also all that talent has fucked off.
Angry among this is they put Master Chief in the soda. Don't know what that means.
I don't have any opinions in the upcoming Dragon Age, I have played most Dragon Age origins and Inquisition not to, but the new Dragon Age trailer just came out recently, I'll let Andy go first.
So all I'm saying is, it's, I played them all. I love the first one. I love the second one much less. And I love the third one much less as well. I'm kind of done with Dragon Age and personally, it's too long, it's like, that was a significant gap between free and now, like, I don't know,
there's something to be said about momentum. It's something to do with, particularly like the studio, come over the studio who makes Dragon Age, but they had that game.
Is it by the way they had that game they had a they've had Mass Effect Andromeda.
And then they had that other sci fi ish game that completely like failed. Oh yeah, what was that even called.
So this, this poor, this studio is definitely like, if this game doesn't hit, it's on its last legs.
But the thing is it has the bungee problem, where it's like the talent has left. Like the guys that made that company what it is, are doing other things.
Like they're it's it's it's the company and name only like that the OG bungee guys are gone. Yeah, 343 should just remaster. No, you know, remaster marathon and give Halo time to cool there.
There's my other answer.
Introduce people to the abomination that is marathon infinities plot.
I think with the new Dragon Age, I definitely saw I know people mean when they say like the visuals of it looks like cartoony Fortnite.
I think this game has been in development so long. Yeah, that like people who are all lost boys, you know, who are watching this stream or listening to this later a day.
I don't think we're the target audience because I think they are definitely aiming for perhaps the like a new group to come in and to discover Dragon Age because I don't think people who are like, younger than us now, they're not going to play Dragon Age origins is just too dated.
As much as as much as like the tone and theme and like the actual game was like, you can play races and it's fantastic. It's like, oh, but it's 10 years old plus. It's so good.
They're trying to reach an audience that is different. Again, I think this I think this the problem with that game so far is like it just might be too long in development and they basically like we had a vision that was like cool, like all fortnightie and you know that was what was popping off at the time.
And then now at the time, you're going to go to do you reckon that you're going to do you reckon they're going to try and copy some of the borders gate free magic.
I don't know. I feel like they're pretty different. The common I think the gameplay of it will be good. I just I just think the story will be like lust because because the thing is anything fancy.
It's like you could copy borders gate free, but then you have to put some work in and most game developers these days are so anemic with how much work they put in the light.
That sounds really difficult though.
I don't really want to like put that much effort in. It's because it's not. It's, I think the we're at a point where I think we're like, I think we're quite good we're actually seeing a shift now we're like, some games just aren't making the cut anymore and some other ones
are being rewarded for their, like, ingenuity and actual like in the game. I mean, I've got to be honest, I haven't played any modern games in a long time like literally the last couple days I've been playing
Fire Emblem seven on the Game Boy Advance for an emulator because it's just like, oh, this is a really solid game that's free. You can get it online.
I'll just play that. I'll just play like BioShock on the switch I'll play all these old games like 1015 years old and like yeah, I'm fine. I got loads of fun comfort games and games I like there's so many games from the past I haven't picked up.
I might as well get around to it and how I can always turn on if I can always play another run of FTL.
Yeah, Mr. Mihailov said on the topic of Dragon Age and audiences we got Metallica and Fortnite before GTA 6.
I think because a lot of these things are when certain franchises like maybe like Halo isn't on topic now like once it's been going on for so long. It's a product. It's not about Halo. It's about a game.
It's about Fortnite incorporated more than anything. And I think I've it's not I mean some games have been better, like even like I think the longer franchise tend to go on like particularly in games, the longer it's somewhat loses its heart.
I think I remember that time where James Hetfield from Fortnite beats Eminem to death with a pickaxe while Goku and John Wick Nainade in the corner like yeah, that's gaming now. Cool.
Here we are.
So I mean like the games come I think companies will start to see like oh if you actually give you know I mean if you actually put effort into it there's actually more money that comes out of it again like the driving force for even in Warhammer.
But at the same time.
It's like I was gonna say, I again I'd like to reference Baldur's Gate 3 where the entire gaming industry for the most part said, no we shouldn't like set the tone for gamers that we're going to put a load of effort into it because that's unreasonable.
I remember that. Oh, oh, well we're lucky with Warhammer particularly because what seems to sell best, particularly on the lore side of it is actually just good lore. Like the seed like the particular the Horus Harris and much like if you're not even like
Colin like not being the biggest space marine fan. The book in a general sense, the Horus Harris series and the Seizure Terror as a book series slaps violently hard. It's actually like, if someone read all of that which we've had the Andy has, I almost have.
I basically at the end of it you want to like you want to have a stiff drink and a cigarette because you're like my mind was particularly blown by the normity of what I've just read about. So, as we're getting good stuff I mean, as much as like Warhammer is like, there's some issues about it.
Bro, we're, when it think of things like Dragon Age or Star Wars or like how Halo is currently, we are spoiled with how well it like keep like it's holding up, it may be getting a bit cleaner around the edges Warhammer but it's still somewhat has that energy to it
which is like, oh, this is the grim dark future and we're, they still make, you know, great looking models with pretty standout law not always great law is not always, you know, doesn't blow my mind every time.
But I'm still I'm not I've not read really any I've only read one book in one month I didn't finish. I had one that I thought was disappointing. And I was it.
And not to be funny it's like you've got the law you've got the codex is you've got the video games you've got the spin offs even even when people like, oh look at these really cool magic the gathering cards, that's cool.
Oh look like I won't reference Call of Duty is a good example, but occasionally like I think I don't, I don't play it but I assume people were chuffed with the world of world of tanks and world warships.
40k tie ins where it's like oh here's some cool stuff with a warhammer thing.
Yeah, or a power washer simulator. I get to clean a land raider. Praise the Omnissiah. Yeah, let's go. It's cool. It's the way they're like, it comes full circle where we're like we're slight as a critical raise when with the donation thank you
for for 40. Yeah, one more 40k needs to be protected at all costs. It's where you're somewhat thankful that they actually are protective of the franchise in some way like I understand that they want to make it more like they will in the future, alter
the warhammer in a way, not because they want to subscribe to any ideologies, the ideology is money. Like the more money you can get out of warhammer, that will be the direction it will go, but I'm sure it like, but that's the way like the writers have always found
balance with it. Like the writers for what your writer for warhammer, you are writing so that someone can sell a miniature line, but they still made like they let Dan Abagnat. God knows why just let him like go go do your thing Dan.
Yeah, go make some weird law. But at the same time, like, I really enjoyed the new Empress children.
Lord of Excess book where it's about the Empress children and Xanteen is like, there were no miniature ranges being sold for that book. It was just hey we need an Empress children book. Oh, they're all being degenerates and there's the navigator who's so self obsessed he crashes
a ship into like the sun. Cool. That's what I wanted. And you can tell like, I think there's going to be a transitionary period soon where a lot of the old guard of writers are going to be replaced with new writers, but they're all with it.
I think I think that that's not like they're getting rid of older themes or older things. That's mostly just because I think particularly like a lot of the writers they probably thought everything I've wanted to do with warhammer I've probably already done it.
Like I don't, I'm much like my loved Aaron Dempsky Bowden who's written things like Hell's Reach and some of the horror series, they probably just don't have any more like things they want to do with warhammer, I think we'll probably see a transition because a lot of them.
I mean, who's the guy is it Graham McNeil who he wrote the second book in the horror series series and he's written loads of book he's written the Euroventress books and he's in low I mean he's literally he's written hundreds of these one books, but then he's left and he's now like the head writer
who we do League of Legends. Right. Right. He's a riot, just because I think I think he's easily he's a there's no, there's nothing more for him to bring to the warhammer universe so there'll be new writers I'm do fair.
Some gifts, and we're going to give some of them a go because I'm, they, I'm sure they've all, they've all issued tons of material to get inspiration.
Yeah, or even this guy he did the Lord of Excess book his first book for black library, and it's really good. I'm like, cool, or even that guy did the gene stealer one that I haven't read yet and apparently it's really good.
So yeah, these new writers are kicking ass. So hopefully they'll continue to do so. I think there'll be something salty smirks as in the concept is that long running franchises will be running the ground.
I don't think halo is being run in. So, I don't think 40k is being run into the ground, I just think it will be like the more visible aspects of it like in the future as it grows will just not be the stuff that we think is like the true grittiest stuff
and getting really rid of it. I just, I don't think that a show that to a mainstream audience they've not out I don't think I can think of a retcon that I thought was like, wow, that's like, maybe I thought retcon some of them are like, bit weirdly done.
But I've never seen what I don't think I've seen a real maybe maybe I might miss Mary I've never seen a red. Yeah, that was like, that's like that's completely unabashedly not warhammer.
The other thing is as well as like it's so broad, some of you'll never get everything onto the silver screen anyway, like there's just too much weird stuff.
Yeah, well, even if they do a TV show it's only going to be a splinter of it, you know, I think with warhammer, so this is a bit of like a way add on to this.
I mean, I just think, again, like, if we ever see on TV screens or movies or anything like that. It just, I wouldn't, there won't be huge amounts of it I just hope it's not I just hope the horrors heresy is an animated series, just so they're able to get that sort of out
because I think the horrors heresy luckily like there's not much, like, as much as like people like the word grimdark the horrors heresy is not like 40k books are much more like that's the grimdark future and 30k is a little bit more, you know, slightly less grimdark past.
It's more like tragic and it's heartbreak I get sad at the 30k horrors heresy stuff I get I get like disgusted at the 40k something that happened in there though. Yeah, they think people say like, yeah, femsodes is always a bit of like a
companies that lore master listen to it'd be successful thank you Crimson Glory.
I think yeah, what's that law masters are just, I don't, I'm not sure we decide. So even like writers I don't think writers even decide direction in games workshop they're more like they get given a like brief and then it's sort of like someone saying
can you go paint a canvas but here's like some color like they give you the only a few set of colors to do it with. They kind of filling out a product line, in a way, and they do a damn good job at it and hopefully some elder will get some damn, damn love.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was like 30k by thank God 30k and horrors heresy is done, like, as in like the third the horrors heresy is Caesar terror, like they did it.
And it was good. So you know, that's always probably protected in this little bubble. And then I don't have to worry about anything else. And I'll finally read all of it soon.
I've really hijacked you. I think my final word is that I still like a little more than warhammer.
I think, I think,
I think what warhammer is my top, but I definitely came from other franchises and I will definitely like be playing. I mean, I hope Dragon Age four just is all right, like I don't. I played Dragon Age Inquisition for the game, like I don't think, like, I, as my law cup is filled by Warhammer.
DJB says in bracket, I don't know. In quotations, we all came how 2024 appreciate it, brother.
I'm just saying, I don't give a care about the new Dragon Age, but I'd like to play the new gears because especially now they've dropped the gears Monica and going back to gears of war.
It's back to like E day I'm like cool that just that that's just like a bow on the section of the fan base I really enjoy which is gears one to judgment.
I don't care about four five plus. I just like the old stuff. And if they're adding a bit to the old stuff and it works well.
The thing is like what ultimately everyone's listening will ultimately rise the top is the quality product. If Star Wars is going down the drain less people will watch it, and then you know I mean like the thing that will be good will eventually just, I mean there are other.
I mean, it hasn't had anything new in years we discount the MMO. And it's still like in the site guys people still revere it. It's like, as long as they don't read, as long as they don't do a TV series on code because I don't expect them to do a good job
I'm like, yeah, leave that in its own separate bubble. That's fine. I like code or I like
slot.
I think that's part and law, and we hope you appreciate this little small deviation from our regular sort of warhammer lashing will be about to walk on I don't know what we're doing the topic for the podcast.
We've got a topic lines up we've got a tier list I think next week, winter changing them with the quiz just to give people a bit of a relief from maybe too much to have any things in too many to list.
But we'll try get some people on as well hope you enjoyed Colin. So the alpha made this column is a Chad nerd he is.
I'll take it. Yes, appreciate you brothers so much thank you everyone who donated as well, the entire stream appreciate that and, but before it shows off it lets everyone know if they like the new serve where we have the actual sort of gameplay
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Yeah, I'll be honest I did think that was a great idea.
I'm a bit attached like phones and our foreheads.
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Did he says Colin gritty only if he is in the mood. We'll see.
Put Fortnite gameplay selfie free seven.
You're on my wavelength.
As long as we can find a skin that matches similarly enough to the topic.
And we'll probably do things like critical warhammer and go unification rod of Dawn of War soul storm, because we were dying to. I'm dying to get back on that horse, I am there.
I also did get mechanic us on my switch because it was on sale this last week I'm like, oh, yummy.
So, I think among us has put on berserk armor to destroy my spine. Okay.
Because a great idea for power on that today but berserk almost just is just consume.
I was like be original ad temple run instead of subway service.
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