Ooh, we should be live! Hello everyone!
Hello!
It's no crimes.
God, we're talking about what's old world slander is aggressive right now.
It's, well, it's not slander, it's GW's production quality slander.
Ugh, the pain. It's no longer, there's no longer new armies like they promised, Colin.
Are you happy about that?
Uh, I'm going to continue coping because they said that there are no plans for them in the near future,
which means the far future will give me my Cathay, god damn it.
Oh, they're not going to do Cathay or Kislev?
No, they both said no.
Which is wor- there's a Cathay army book out there, they made it for the war.
Oh my gosh.
In the grimdark future, there is always a way.
It's the grimdark right now.
Yeah, huh.
Damn.
Uh, welcome people, this is another episode of Iceberg Law Crimes.
I should mention this, I actually remember to mention at the beginning, we actually are on Spotify as well,
so people want to listen to us offline, uh, they can.
But today we're continuing something we actually haven't talked about in a while,
but it's a continuation of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy legions.
We talked about all the legions before.
We currently covered nearly, I think nearly about half of them, about, I think about half, yeah.
God fucking-
And, don't worry.
I'm sorry.
We're kind of, we're grouping together today the Shattered Legion,
so these are the ones who essentially got sidelined and mid-law, if we weren't lying, in some parts,
but other ones they got some cool little side-bit character plays, they were just, this is background stuff
that most people probably haven't learned or followed, so we're going to hopefully explore more of that.
I do believe, I think we're going to start with the question of the week, though, Colin, that will be interesting.
Of course, yeah, there's some good ones.
This is from previous episode on the Eldar Cross, I think.
Yeah, but thank you, Andy, for having my back in the poll.
You can see the two reasons the bet's not made right now.
You assholes.
But no, the question of the week from the last time, what path would you create for the Eldar?
There's some interesting ones.
Let me go with, you know, this one's a nice and simple one.
At PinkyPrime7877, hashtag path, I'd make a path of war to find the best lore for the Eldar.
And you know what, I think the Eldar need their Mat Ward to just...
They need a bit of favouritism, man, they've been hurt.
I mean, as someone who also enjoys a faction or a sub-faction who get basically next to no lore,
I feel such sympathy as an iron hand enjoyer.
Half the craft worlds have no lore, the other half have...
Bad lore.
Bad card lore.
I was skimming through the iron hands today and talking about them as only a third of the content today.
It's going to be about 90% of their lore anyway, so that's interesting.
I mean, as an iron hand player, you're at least a space marine player, which means you are university-leveled by GW.
No, we're not. Do you know what? Our character model is iron-
Excuse me, say what? Your what model?
The one character model we have.
It's that meme. You guys get models?
You wanna hear it? The one character model we do have, though, doesn't appear in any novel, doesn't...
It's not even like the chapter master, so it's like...
This guy has a character model. This guy does not understand the life of a chaos space marine player.
How chapter master Tushan from the Salamanders also, to my knowledge, doesn't have a model?
The Salamanders have two character models.
He has his star and magatone.
And they're captains, like, why isn't Tushan got a- anyway.
Every chaos space marine-
I'm afraid I can't hear you down there for my Skaven being a legacy army.
If real.
Although, have you seen the leak recently?
I have, God, I'm-
A new Skaven, or what?
Yeah.
Maybe Age of Sigmar?
Fourth edition is the edition of the Red.
What if I dwell on this too long, I'm not gonna stop talking about Skaven.
You're gonna turn to the great horny one at that point.
You'd better believe it.
But that was the-
Yeah, that was the first one.
Second question from Anarian Targaryen, 6973.
I'm sorry you made your username based around Game of Thrones.
I wish- I hope you can heal from what they did to that show.
But anyway, hashtag path.
The path of the white strike.
A path where I just kill elves and starve the dark friends.
And become the biggest elf hater that dwarves will tell me to take it down a notch.
Dude, that's true. Kill every mer you find.
God.
We should do an Elder Scrolls something, at some point.
I mean, my brain was wasted.
I've got useless knowledge about how to play and complete a run of Skyrim.
Yeah, how is Skyrim, gamer?
I have played too much unmodded and modded Skyrim to justify it.
Sorry.
And then the last one, the-
Oh no.
True banger.
Uh, rarestpepe3815.
I would create the path of cope.
Its purpose would be to keep morale up by justifying every L so it counts as a W.
And Colin would be its phoenix lord.
Nice. That's awesome.
I will happily take on the goal of elf propaganda master.
The lore of cope.
I didn't need that, but that was funny.
It's actually really cool that they lost by the way, because by the way.
Oh man.
But good job everyone, you didn't bring up fucking Vtubers for once. I'm very proud of you all.
Well, everyone's maturing. It's crazy.
Thank you brother. Oh no, don't die on us.
Eli is going out.
Oh no.
He literally before we started, I was like, I ripped my shirt and now he's dying.
It was the egg he ate months ago.
Oh man, don't mention the egg that we did, because we moved past it.
So as night you found us about the egg.
Uh, what's the next- we have another question of the week. So people put the hashtag and stuff in the comment section.
Colin, remember what we put for the next question? I think it is-
Yes, I don't think we got a hashtag.
Hashtag shatter.
Alright, let's go with hashtag shatter.
What would you add to lorehammer war that would break it?
So, you know, would you pick your warhammer setting and just throw something into it that's going to ruin everything?
I just thought it was so like inappropriate. I actually can't say it's due to the emperor getting kinky.
I'm just going to completely crawl that out.
I would-
Feel free to get degenerate in the comments, like, within reason. Within reason, you filthy scum.
I would add dwarf slayers to the leagues of Otan. For no reason then it would break Hal's dreams of them being a unique faction.
That'd be awesome.
I think they are about as original as like, you know, like a cereal flavor that's clearly the same as the original.
You know when they put like original on something?
Just to like, separate these things. But they're just clearly the same thing.
We've got a donation from DonkeymanUSA.
I love that name.
You've spelled my name with one too many L's, you bastard. Thank you for the five bucks.
You've convinced me to start listening to Godric and feel like you also spelled Godric wrong.
This guy's ruthless.
Phrase the great horn rat's silliest clown. I'm reading the Thanquel books now, so hell yeah.
How does it feel that Thanquel has more books than the Iron Hands currently do?
He's got three of them.
Holy cow.
He's the horn rat's silliest goober.
Iron Hands will eventually get a... you know when they've done a release for every single sub faction ever?
In the year 2035 they'll eventually...
Yeah, that's what I keep telling myself.
I've been waiting for every other Chaos Space Marine Legion to come out.
When the headless corpse of Ferris Manus is revived and he's on a quest to find his head, you'll see it.
You guys will be... you'll be looking silly.
It's actually really cool that they don't have any lore right now because in the future it'll be really cool, guys.
The path of Cope Israel.
I'm already joining the path of...
We're all followers of the path of Cope.
Hell's an exorc.
I got some White Scars books in the Horus Heresy. I'm fine.
Hey, I got an anthology.
I'm a Lucius the Eternal fan. All I can do is cope, alright?
You got an animation of it.
Doesn't he die in that?
Well he does, but then he like completely destroys the emphasis and everyone's like, that's bullshit.
And you're like, aww, unfortunate.
Donkeyman USA with the fucking throat punch.
Thank you for the other five. I spelled your name wrong.
I gave you that extra L for being an Eldar Fett.
Remember guys, you can't spell Eldar without an L.
Yeah, truly.
Wow. No, that's not gonna work. That's the opposite of what I want. Never mind, let's continue.
Well, we're gonna start off with the lore here. Just the brief thing that...
What's great about being human is there's many things that unite us and today what unites all these three legions,
which is the Raven Guard, Salamanders and Iron Hand, is that they, perhaps sticking on the theme of Ls,
they took the biggest L in the entire Great Crutade and Horus Heresy.
So I think Andy's gonna briefly just explain what Isvahn 5 is, obviously for the uninitiated.
Honestly, super cool. They put the three legions no one cares about and broke them to start the heresy.
Yeah, good move, honestly. Before we start, we do have a donation with a goofy question.
The answer to this question seems pretty obvious. Hypothetical calling with a lot of Ls.
If you can get rid of your diabetes with zero repercussions whatsoever, would you do it?
Love from Alberta. Thank you for the $5. I'm also in Alberta. Why wouldn't you?
Because a friend asked me that once and I made a video about it.
Oh, I see. That's funny.
At this point I think I owe him like 50 rounds of drinks for how much superchats I've gotten about that.
My brother gets that question a lot because he's also type 1 as well as Colin here.
Would I get rid of it for free? Yes. I don't like medical debt.
Here's a question for you, Colin. Would you get rid of your diabetes if you basically sealed the pact with GW
that we'd never get any more Eldar lore ever again? Would it be worth it?
There's none to start with. Come on. It's basically the same thing.
All they do is make them take Ls after Ls anyway. It's the current situation.
So it means there's no more of them losing. Yeah, I would take it.
I'll just go live in Age of Smarland where the Eldar actually live.
Is this all like what if things where you can double jump?
If you get rid of diabetes, but every time you double jump you shit yourself.
Well, thankfully I can't double jump so I'll get rid of the diabetes regardless.
A fact about insulin I found out the other day.
If you exercise it absorbs blood glucose from your body. So you don't need the insulin for it.
I just learned that. I think that's pretty neat.
That's one thing that I've learned from the last two years of school.
That's why exercising makes you go low.
You can cure diabetes by not exercising ever? Is that the idea?
No, the other way around because you don't have the insulin.
If you don't have the insulin you can cure diabetes. That's amazing.
You can treat part of it.
Unfortunately the amount of energy required to constantly maintain that not having insulin would be...
I need to be running 24-7.
DJ Beast and the Collins, we don't need to answer that question. End times.
Oh God, would you get rid of diabetes if you could?
Oh, get an end time. Oh, okay, yeah, Eldar.
Fuck you moving on.
Anyway, we can't stall the broken boys any longer.
So we can't really talk about any of these legions without first mentioning Istvan V.
It's still pretty fresh in my mind because I've recently done a video on it recently.
Long story short, Horus Heresy begins. Warmaster Horus betrays the Imperium.
Before anyone really knows what's going on, he goes, right,
send the Space Wolves to attack the Thousand Suns so they're out of the way.
Blood Angels, they're out of the way. Ultramarines, they're out of the way.
Dark Angels, they're out of the way.
Rice Guards are somewhere, they're out of the way.
Oh no, Nathaniel Garrow, this bitch, he's gone back to warn the Emperor.
I don't like that.
Rogal Dawn's having a hissy fit and he's like, right, we need to get back at the traitors.
Fulgrim goes to meet with Ferris Manus, the guy in charge of the Iron Hands,
and says, come and join the traitors, it's cool.
And he goes, that's cringe, and betrays him.
So long story short, to get the reprisal on Horus' rebellion,
the Emperor through Rogal Dawn sends three legions and then a further four legions
to hopefully crush the Traitor Rebellion before it has any momentum to get properly started.
Before we go any further, we've got a donation from Angry Homunculus for five pounds.
Thank you very much, sir.
Thanks, brother.
Oh, good. I'm going to call out Arthur's White Scar hatred by the fact that my extended family surname is Shogutai,
which comes from Chagatai.
That's very cool.
Very cool. I must admit, he did a tier list and he didn't put White Scars in the S tier, so I just bounced.
If I could live another life, I would choose to be Mongolian.
Just throwing that out there.
All the things I never thought I'd hit.
That's just like, wouldn't have thought the statement of the day.
The evil Total War 2 made me racist.
Court of the day, boys.
Oh my gosh.
I'm tired, I'm just gonna go to Mongolia and get a hawk.
I'd love to just-
Hawk be a horse lord.
For real.
So yeah, it's like the masculine urge to go be a horse lord.
Have you seen their old president? I don't know if he still is, but he's jacked.
The jacked president you'll ever see.
That's what we should like get politicians, like you can't be a politician unless you're like, hedge.
That's the rules now.
It works, I see.
Ronald Schwarzenegger, come on, Colin.
So our American politics would be like, no, only bodybuilders now.
You think the American people have anything to actually do with our politics?
Those corpses in Washington are gonna end up in charge no matter what we do.
Yeah, for real.
We have another donation. You guys have been very generous, thank you.
Hey everyone.
Thank you.
Colin, a lot of Colin could call us today.
I'm on the zombie slayer. Should I carry on reading Kinslayer and Slayer?
Or something else that Godric or Thanqual is in?
P.S. Death for the knife ears.
Alright, you didn't need to add that one.
Bless you, that's why it always-
But thank you.
In a video game, it's fine now.
If, once you get to the thing with, you know what, she's in Total Warhammer now, you know what,
once she becomes a vampire, go read all Rukka's books.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
So, Istvan5, let's go back to the incest first.
Please.
Quickly, quickly.
So basically, Horus and his other traitor allies have purged their own legions.
So you've got the Emperor's children, the World Eaters, the Death Guard, and of course the Sons of Horus.
So they've actually kind of halved the numbers of, well, probably less than halved the numbers of all their legions
because they've been fighting with each other.
And the Loyalists did a good job of fighting back, so they actually didn't get as much done as they were hoping in one swift move.
So the Emperor says to Roguel Dorne, like, you're in charge of the military, I've kind of,
there's kind of something going wrong in the back rooms, like, what's that noise?
Like, nothing.
We're having some technical difficulties.
No demons.
Was that Magnus? No, you didn't see anything.
So Roguel Dorne's like, right, I'm angry now.
I'm going to send some of my men.
We're going to send the Iron Hands.
We're going to send the Salamanders, the Raven Guard, the Night Lords, the Iron Warriors, the Alpha Legion, and the Word Bearers.
We're going to send eight legions.
We're going to crush these traitor upstarts.
He was just throwing shit at the wall to just crush them.
He was like, these are the guys we can gather around.
Everyone else, like the Ultramarines and Dark Angels, they're too far away.
Let's go smash their heads in.
Basically the operation in North Korea where they went to go cut down a tree, if everyone remembers.
I do remember that.
But a few things go wrong.
First of all, Roguel Dorne's contingent, get lost in the wall.
So that sucks.
That's what starts off with the Battle of Fahl.
He sends a third of his entire legion, which is like, I think, 100,000 men or maybe a bit less.
And they can't make the battle.
Like, sorry, guys, traffic.
So OK, no worries.
Who's in charge of this assault?
It's Ferris Manus.
It's everyone's favorite Primarch Ferris Manus, who does have a neck.
For now.
Well, you know.
He has a big, well, he had a big hammer.
Shout out to my neck enjoys.
And there's a weird thing in the artwork where you see Ferris, like even his model on this one, he's swinging a hammer.
He's like, he shouldn't have that sword.
Thorgrim takes it away from him and he smashes fire blade and he reforged it.
Yeah, but it's really cool.
And maybe we have a table top.
I'm the only person who's had that artwork.
The fish, like the actual only artwork of the proper like jewel.
Yeah, I've got a frickin wrench.
Why are you attacking with a red carpool?
Because it goes hard.
It does go pretty hard. I just wonder what it's called.
Like this is.
Philip.
My legendary wrench of war.
It should have made that a relic for the tech marines nowadays.
Exactly. Yeah, that would have made sense.
But either way, so Ferris Manus is made in charge because he's kind of angy because Thorgrim was like, just a bit.
He's like, you're my best bro.
Do you mind?
Should we?
No.
And that's cringe.
And they get bopped.
And then like Thorgrim kills pretty much all of his honor guard apart from his first captain.
He's angry.
So he's like, I'm leading the charge.
And to be fair, Ferris Manus and the Ironhands are really well respected because they've got one of the biggest legions.
Ferris Manus is a taskmaster and they get stuff done.
Like they're kind of similar to the dark angels, except less empathy and more.
Just get it done.
Civilian casualties don't matter if we can get it done quickly.
Like fine.
So he's in charge.
And the first wave is the dark angels is impressive.
So the first wave is Ironhands and then two very much smaller legions, like the two smallest legions other than the White Scars who are like third place.
Like everyone knows there aren't many salamanders and Raven guard in comparison to the other legions.
But it's an OK start.
We'll send these three legions in first, we'll come back to four legions on Istvan, and then we've got four other legions, even though the Imperial Fist can't be here backing them up.
They make planetfall.
They're doing all right.
They're pushing through.
Horus is in a big chair in his office, just watching it all happen.
You know, Mortari and Angron and Thorgrim are cutting suaves through the Ironhands, Salis and Raven guard, whilst Vulcan, Corex and Ferris are also fighting through.
And it's kind of a ping, ping against each other, but nothing's really happening.
Oh, look, good reinforcements.
Good.
We'll have this sorted.
Unfortunately, Lorgar is a person, and he's been whispering to, you know, the Primarch of murderers, the Primarch of incels, the Primarch of...
Did I? Did I not?
Come on, come on.
Can you guess which one I'm in?
On raiders? Well, you said murderers.
The twin twigs.
Big tortoise man.
So, yeah, all of them are kind of going through their own thing, you know, Kars is a bit of a dick.
Just in general.
Who's turtle man?
Paterabo.
Paterabo?
Oh, he has so much armor, it's ridiculous.
Yeah, he's more machine than man.
That's fair.
Paterabo's already, like, torched his own home world in secret and killed his sister.
A grade. A grade.
He on that grind, or he on that grind.
It was a busy weekend.
He sucks.
Lorgar's already chaos. He's been chaos for a while now. He did it before it was cool.
And Alpharius is just like, will I be loyal? Will I be... I'm Alpharius.
So yeah, like that's Alpharius.
That's how Colin hears it every time.
I suck. That's how Alphalegion lore enters my brain, to be honest.
And so, basically, you couldn't pick a worse collection of...
worse collection of miscreants for a loyalist second assault.
Like, seriously, we're gonna put the murderer legion and, you know, the sneaky legion,
who would be, like, really good at doing a backstab, and the, like, religious zealot legion,
who have been a bit, like, distant for the last few years, and the iron warriors, who are just rubbish.
So it's like, okay.
Come on. Come on.
And the thing is, their whole shtick is like, oh, Dad says I have to.
So anyway, like, they all make planetfall. Sally's, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, they're a good combo.
They've worked well before in the past. The three primers get on, like, really well.
And they're making some headway, but they put three against four, even though the traitors are kind of diminished, it's not gonna work.
And they're like, oh, good. Here come the iron warriors. They'll go into the meat grinder.
Our fire is to do whatever he does. Word bearers will do some, like, cheerleading.
And the nightlords will skin a few traitors. That'll be fine.
Only except they surround all the loyalists into this space called the Urgal Depression.
And then they turn their guns on them and they start shooting them in the back.
And they're like, what? And what happens in the next few hours is about.
Urgal, big depression now.
Big depression in about the span of three hours. It's something like nearly I think it's one hundred and fifty thousand to start.
He's get gunned down from the loyalists. It's a tough read. It's harder to read than his fan three.
It might be. Yeah, because I think it's like Istvan is like, oh, there's like there's resistance and it's protracted for months like three hours.
The legions are broken. They're like 90 days before the end of the battle, technically.
But 92 of those days is just skirmishes. But that first three hours of that first day is just not good.
By the end of the whole battle, 200000 Astarte's on the loyalists ranks are dead. So that's a lot.
They also threw a nuke in there randomly. Yeah, they actually nuke Vulcan because the iron war is quite him.
This is too much.
Didn't Faris and the two other guys jump the gun? Didn't they go in earlier than they were supposed to?
Well, this is the thing. Faris was he saw Fulgrim and the Empress was like, oh, I'm rallying for a fight.
So he actually ran ahead. Then they get cut off.
Then Vulcan and Korax when they get betrayed, Korax is like, we need to like retreat and then redeploy.
Whereas Vulcan says, no, we need to we need to we need to combine and dig in and then push back.
And so they can't agree. So then they split up and then Vulcan gets bombarded before he gets nuked and corks like, oh, no.
So Korax is pretty much the only one who's in charge within like a few hours.
And for the next 90 or so days, he's leading like raiding attacks.
He's doing all these things to try and preserve what's left. Vulcan gets nuked from orbit but survives because he's a perpetual.
Faris Manus doesn't have a neck anymore.
And that's a shame. And also the Iron Hands have taken like if the Iron Hands have like over 100,000 asarthes, they don't anymore.
The other two legions were small enough already.
And after a few, a few days, four or five of the legions fall back.
And then I think it's like the sons of Horus, World Eaters, and I think the Iron Warriors and maybe some word bearers are just picking off the survivors.
And this causes the moniker to be known as the Shattered Legions because at the end of the war, no one took bigger casualties per percentage.
I know the ultramarines lost like 100,000 asarthes at Calphe, but they still had like 150 to spare.
Whereas every other one of these legions, they lost way more men than anyone else and they couldn't function as a legion anymore.
Calphe was an act of self-defense.
Oh no.
We should also mention this with the Shattered Legions as well, all of them, like when they would continue on to fight, like pretty much their entire legion was decorating the traitors' ships for like the rest of the heresy.
I found the one like really probably sad bit is like when Ferris gets beheaded and he dies, they just start picking like, they literally start picking apart their bodies for like, yeah, it's pretty like horrific.
And if you're in Iron Hand, you're like, you know, trying to survive and you're like, that's literally my prime art of being picked apart like a vulture.
Fulgrim first, Ferris, gotta be the saddest fight in the Horus heresy, surely.
Sad how quick it is.
There weren't any bigger bros than that fighting in the Horus heresy, were there?
It's like Mortarion versus the Kaul and you know, they don't really care about each other in the first place.
That one's kind of sad, but it's also poorly written, so whatever.
Yeah.
Well, the only thing was you mentioned about like how they picked apart like Ferris' corpse, to give you context, that's like if Rabute Gilman was killed, they like picked his calculator out from his pocket.
It's sticky.
The moral from his head.
So now we've got three legions that are completely useless in terms of being a standing army for legionaries of studies.
And this is the only time in the heresy where an entire legion is taken unawares in its entirety.
Like Istvan III is sad because he's a brother fighting brother, but like Dropside Massacre is really sad because it's just like, oh, it's like we're gone.
There's nothing left.
Like the Iron Hand is like, we've got no lore left.
That's a shame.
And one of the main points about these legions is that even in current year 40k lore, because of this event, you don't really hear much about them for the rest of the setting.
That's how they have many successes.
And before this, they took the Alpha Legion L, right? Deliverance losses before this.
Is it? No one knows.
No, it's following.
The Alpha Legion is not like cutting the Raven Guard's faces off and wearing them to like import.
And then Corex is like, I'm going to rebuild the Legion.
And then the Alpha Legion.
I don't think so.
Call you though.
The one I appreciate.
Have they mentioned any other times that the Alpha Legion has basically Primaris Marines?
Because I don't actually remember hearing that in any of the books I've read afterwards.
It's just like a fact that is they had Primaris Marines because they stole it from the Raven Guard.
They didn't steal Primaris.
Yeah, but it was like a version.
They stole the not called Primaris.
The Empress Pure Primark Geneseed.
They stole.
Yeah, yeah.
They like it was given the Raven Guard.
It's given the Raven Guard the ability to make like better Marines basically.
Or they can know they can.
Like large amounts, right?
They could make space Marines instead of having to do implementation like over years.
They could do it over a matter of months.
Yeah, so they could do like a full process.
They could speed it up.
And then the Emperor was like, okay, I'll let you have that, you know, special thing, but they never got to use it.
So it's another reason why the Alpha Legion is somehow the strongest Legion and the goofiest Legion at the same time.
It's like three of them to do it.
I think that's what I would add.
I finally figured out my question of the week answer.
I think I would add a bomb that kills every Alpha Legion member at once.
Oh my gosh.
Oh dear.
Just get rid of them.
Just have one author.
Just have one Alpha Legion author.
My thing that would break them all would be Alipharius is actually Kegarach.
You know what?
I can live with that.
That one's okay.
Because that one makes sense.
I don't like it.
Sons of Malice, successors.
What's going on?
As the Phoenix Lord of the Path of the Cove.
I agree with this option.
So yeah, but that's basically a very brief overview of Istvan V.
And that's why they're called the Shattered Legions.
We have a donation from Jeremy Golden for $5.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, brother.
Thank you.
Saying, right around this time, there is a group of recruits on Deliverance who would go on to found the Modern Raptors chapter.
Yeah.
Well, there's a thing.
A lot of these, with these three in particular, they don't have many successors and they only tend to have like one standout one each.
It's like Ravengards, you've got the Raptors.
Ironhands, you've got the...
Exactly.
...Brazen Cores, maybe.
And then Salamanders, you've got the Dark Krakens, I guess.
Ironhands successors are the saddest part of Ironhands.
There's only one cool one, which is...
I can't remember the name of it.
The one that the Adeptus Mechanic has made are the cool ones.
Oh, the Sons of Medusa?
No, they're also cool ones.
Oh, I remember.
There's one called the Iron Wardens.
There's one that the Admecs made, something like that.
Yeah, they're like the Holy Trinity of Faer's Manus, the Emperor and the Omnissiah or something like that.
The Iron Wardens are a cool one.
I think I mentioned it before, their only role is to essentially cordon off this specific planet that has a really advanced Xenos race on it.
And then basically they've worried if the Tyranids ever manage to get up to this planet, it would basically make the Tyranids unstoppable.
So their whole chapter is designed to contain this one Xenos race.
Is that Iron Lords?
I think Iron Lords, Iron Wardens, something like that.
They just start throwing exterminatuses at it.
It's a shame they have a terrible paint scheme, though.
Yeah, then most of their second founding chapters are pretty depressing as they have all one paragraph of lore, generally, compared to the other cool ones.
I like the Knights of Byzantium, which are purple, iron hands, because it's like, they look cool, they got any lore?
Dude, Byzantine Empire reference goes hard.
Cool.
And it's like a horse, a seahorse thing.
Like a mermaid if it were a horse, if that makes sense.
Not like a seahorse, it's like a horse top and then as a tail it's weird.
Anyway, so without further ado, should I go into some detail with one of the three?
Yeah, we'll start with the best Horus Heresy books.
Here's the thing, I will say to the chat that we aren't going to be going super in depth because we want to, again, one day do like a proper like, here's the Salamanders in its entirety, here's the iron hands, blah blah blah.
But this is an overview because it's like great crusade era versions of these legions.
So, starting off with the Salamanders.
18th legion, not much is known about what they did during the great crusade, but they were known as the Dragon Warriors, which is not to be confused with the Dragon Warriors who are a chaos space marine warband.
Completely different thing.
Or the Dragon Warrior from Kung Fu.
Kung Fu?
What bootleg version are you watching?
Shut up.
Jack Black.
I actually love that film.
So yeah, they were originally, and the thing about the Salamanders is they're a bit of a weird chapter, because they were similar to the space wolves and the alpha legion in that they were part of the trefoil or trifoil, which were free legions made specifically for a very particular purpose.
And the you know the space wolves were like, not exterminates, they were like executioners. They were like hunting packs that would kill specific targets. Alpha legion, oh I'm going to be sneaky.
No one really knows what the Salamanders were made specifically to do. It could have been good hugs for all we know.
Like we're going to make one space marine legion that's kind of nice people, like they're compassionate. Okay, maybe that's it. But it's never really explained exactly what it is.
It's never got to the point where the Emperor could unveil that purpose.
Though, to be fair, the beginning of their service they had a very bloody reputation.
They had a battle called the assault of the tempest galleries. They went from 20,000 Astartes to one, so they lost 19,000 men.
But the Imperium was like, I like them. They're pretty cool. For some reason, they were quickly rebuilt following this victory and they were well happy with how they did stuff.
But since this point they were only ever deployed piecemeal, and they were support. They were a support legion for the Imperial Army. So they didn't really often work with other legions they'd actually work with the mortal human guardsmen.
And usually they'd be like, oh, they'd be dropped in at the back line of the enemy when the Imperial Army is fighting, they'll go on the other side and they'll do a pincer movement.
And because of this they bolstered a really good reputation with mortals where they're like, I like these dragon boys. These are good guys.
I don't ever work with the ultramarines. I've heard they're cool, but I've never seen one. I like these guys. You know, they saved my buddy Kevin. Cool.
Bonding. I will say we also got a $4.99 donation from that grey shark. Thank you, brother. Thank you very much. Thank you.
My relationship status is like Iron Hand, successor chapters, lore, non-existent. Wow.
Did himself and the lore dirty. Also from Crimson Glory about the streaming times. When the semester is done in like one month, we'll go back to regular times. I just have a class at the regular time that I can only skip every once in a while.
Education is important. Good to see you, Crimson Glory though. Good to see you, brother. Good to see you.
So yeah, and the only other thing to really mention about the Salamanders from the Great Crusade, because of their massive losses at the beginning of their service, they never really grew to a size alike to the other legions, and they were always kept in reserve.
They never really went to the forefront of compliance as they were support. They were specifically always support rather than we're going to go fight a war. It's like, no, we're going to bolster an existing force.
I had that. They had a problem of self-sacrifice, if I remember correctly. Yeah, they were kind of glory hungry, but also compassionate. They were essentially the team fortress too.
For a military, trying to get yourself killed in honorable battles generally not conducive to successful operations. They weren't trying to get themselves killed, but then say like where other legions would, you know, let the civilians or the mortal soldiers die, because we have to retreat because it's a good tactical choice.
They'll go, no, we'll fight together. Yeah, and it's like we're not fighting like other legions, like oh, they're all dying in droves. I guess we should too to fit in.
The pressure is real.
However, they eventually found their Primarch Vulcan, everyone's favorite big lad. He's huge.
Stomp stomp. He was found on the world of Nocturne, which when he was on this planet, he was adopted by a Smith, who's a cool guy. I can't remember the name off the top of my head, but there's a weird thing with Nocturne.
The Drukhari, known as Duskwraiths, kept raiding the planet. And at about the age of five or whatever it was when Vulcan was already like taller than any of us and was like muscled and like, oh, you don't look for, I am.
And he was like, I've had enough of this. Dad, grab the hammer. I'm going to go like beat them up. And so he basically just got like all the guys on Nocturne to say no actually.
Raiding is cringe, and they fought back the Drukhari. I think they found like a portal on their home planet, where they were just like dropping in through I think it's like the bottom of Mount Deathfire there was like a Drukhari.
And they were like, oh, that's where they go. Oh, bash bash bash, and they managed to drive off the Duskwraiths, and they were really chuffed about this. Great, we can Smith in peace.
And so, to celebrate this they had this event called, you know, I was like, the celebrations of Nocturne, and then this guy called the Outlander appeared.
And I was like, this guy's weird. What do you mean? He's like, oh, look at him. He's like, he's white. Oh yes he is. He's very pale, considering, you know, we live next to this massive sun that's like, irradiating us all and we've got like the, especially Vulcan with like the glowing red eyes like that guy looks a bit weird doesn't he? Yeah.
It's where it crops with socks and cargo shorts.
And I was like, what's this guy's fashion sense? What's going on here? So yeah, this guy turns up and he's like, hey guys, I'll compete in the celebrations with them.
And like, I'm sure Eli would like the celebrations. They're like lifting weights, and they're proving how strong they are. They basically concluded like, I'm going to kill a big dragon thing called a salamander.
Yeah, I'm going to kill a big one. No, I'm going to kill it. And so then the Outlander's like, okay, you and me Vulcan, we'll go out and we'll kill a salamander. Whoever kills the biggest one wins.
So they go up this, I think it's Mount Deathfire again, it's always Mount Deathfire. It's like that mountain in Ocarina of Time, just like, yeah, it's just that one.
So they go and they hunt and Vulcan finds a pretty big one. But then he has a bit of a tumble fighting the salamander and he's clinging onto the edge of the ledge.
And then the Outlander's like, oh, he's got this gigantic one. He's like, having a bit of trouble there mate. Oh, and he saves his life.
And they go back to the people of Nocturne and he's like, oh, I know that the Emperor or the Outlander in this case, oh, he sacrificed his massive salamander to make a bridge for our escape. And I've got the winning one because I brought it back.
But he saved my life. So technically he won. And then Vulcan became a Primarch of the Imperium. That's pretty cool.
So he's now in charge of the Dragon Warriors and he goes, oh, Dragon Warriors, that's a bit on the nose. We're going to call them salamanders. With a donation by Leon Leon, he says, aren't Alpha Legion and the Eldar do the same shit every time they lose or do something stupid?
It is because it's nonsense. It's because something nonsense. It is all in their master plan. The difference is the Eldar could see the future so they at least know what they're doing. The Alpha Legion are just mystery.
You're going to hate this, Colin, but aren't the Eldar basically Zech? Yeah, but they were here first.
Zech is goofing himself. What do you mean, yes? Well, in the warp he has always been. Yeah, well, that's stupid.
Is it wrong?
The warp has always been here. It has always been a thing. And the Eldar gods are still around. That's just how it is then.
If that's how we're going to pull it.
So yeah, and with Vulcan back, Dragon Warriors are like, wow, this guy's tall. He's the biggest Primarch. He's like, how tall is Primarch supposed to be? Like nine feet tall or something? He's like 12 or whatever it is.
Oh, he's imposing. And he's even taller than Magnus projecting his height taller. Yeah, he's tall. The only guy taller is the Emperor.
And we got a... because there's always like a... I've seen that image of like scale and it's like Roguel Dorne and then it's just Vulcan's just that little bit taller.
I think that's 100% accurate, that image. I know it's what you're talking about. I don't even know if it's like a little accurate, but Vulcan is usually like a head taller, at least, than a lot of the other Primarchs.
So either way, he gets back to... he's inducted into the Imperium. He's given the 18th Legion. He does a few changes. You know, he goes, we're going to remodel the companies to the fits the different civilizations from Nocturne. We're going to say, oh, Imperial truth. That's a bit cringe.
Promethean cult. That's cool. So they... and they're like, I was thinking about this the other day. They're like one of the few Legion era, or one of the Great Crusade era legions that actually has chaplains.
So when you think about it, like most of them don't. Word bearers, obviously, they do. But one of the reasons Salamanders do is because they have the Promethean cult. So it's like, oh, it makes sense. They have like a religious thing.
So those Ultramarines are like, theoretical. Chaplains are cool. Practical. Religion is cringe. No chaplain. They don't really get them until just before the Horus heresy. Like after the Edict of Nikea when Magnus got banned from music magic.
They basically put chapters in the Legion. So they were like, we're just here to make sure you guys are not cringe. Yeah, yeah. But they were a bit less like, oh, Crozius. Oh, that's a bit Lorgar, like copy paste. I don't know.
And that's obviously more widespread after the Horus heresy. But yeah, and with Vulcan back, the Legion is really into crafting. They're like, oh, our dad, he can make a mean sword. That's cool. And so they really love making things.
Necklace? What?
Macaroni necklaces.
My dad's weapons are spicy.
Well, here's the thing. Vulcan is characteristically like the most compassionate Primarch. But at the same time, he's capable of making like world ending weapons. Like, he goes into like, I think it's like a fugue state sometimes, where he wakes up, he's like, oh, what have I made now?
And he's like, oh no, I made a gun that blows up the galaxy.
Very Oppenheimer. Maybe that's what they were made for though. Maybe that was their thing that they'd make super destructive weapons, but they'd have the heart to only use them when necessary.
Well, that's the thing, isn't it? That's why I believe it's the, I can't remember if it's cool, but there's like an artifact that Vulcan made and he actually takes it to the throne room and he's like, put that with the emperor. It's like a doomsday button.
The ball of seven hammers?
The summing of seven hammers. And it's like, Talisman. Talisman, yeah. And the emperor's like, I can only trust Vulcan to make these powerful weapons because I know he's the only one who'll hesitate to use them.
Like the lion would be like, fire away!
Yeah, yeah. Whereas like Vulcan's like, I mean, I've kept killing Eldar children. I didn't want to. It's like, okay Vulcan.
I assure you, Judge, I did not want the torch thing.
It has seemed good at the time.
She was probably like, she was probably like 100 years old anyways.
Does that change anything?
I like to imagine. Listen, the lion has a point though. If no one catches you, it's not a war crime.
Yeah, yeah. If there are no witnesses, was it a murder? Anyway, so yeah.
If a tree in the forest, blah blah blah.
And as such, there's not really much else to say about.
The other thing about the Salamanders is, like with all of these in particular, there's not much lore other than Istvan as far as before the 41st millennium.
All you need to know is Salamanders are compassionate, they're master craftsmen, and they're really like, they're quite, I think they have an affinity more than anything to be like, not Iron Warriors fortified, not cringe fortified, but like, we'll set up a position, we'll fire.
If you have a flamethrower, you're my best friend. That's kind of a shtick.
Oh, we've got another donation from Crimson Glory this time saying, I wish to pet this creature. Vulcan was my favorite in TTS. Love women is all voice kicks in.
Good old days. Thank you, brother. Good old days. Good to see.
It's a good reference as well.
Other than that, we can talk about a few characters from the Salamanders. You got, obviously Vulcan. You've got Artelis Numion, who was the first captain of the Legion.
He was there during the crag when they found Vulcan's crispy corpse descend from the heavens and go, oh no, that's a death Primarch that is.
Pulled a bit of a level six Sartade Primarch.
How did he get here? I don't know. Oh no. And Artelis was a bit depressed seeing his dad like proper crispy bacon like oh, like occasionally just be like, yeah, he's dead.
And he was a bit doubtful.
But he had a weird sense of, oh, but I can't really accept that he's dead. Doesn't make sense.
So they take his body back to Nocturne and they are doing like the funeral procession thing as the planet's being assaulted as well.
And they're like, okay, we're going to put him into Mount Deathfire because it's always Mount Deathfire.
We're going to put him in the lava and we're going to just like let him be one with Nocturne and we can lay him to rest.
Numion's like, no, I can't. He's very much a coke Marine like Colin with the Eldar. He's like, I'm not accepting this.
My dad's not dad. Can I stop catching strays?
Everyone is like every day. It's kind of a piece of shit.
Massive asshole is a thing that at least he's not as cringe as an Iron Hands fan like how anyway.
All right. Yeah, I love you redirecting the shots.
I mean, I'm about to get more lore than you.
So yeah, but he's like my dad. I love him so much.
He hurls himself into Mount Deathfire because he reckons it'll do something.
He dies and then his sacrifice resurrects Vulcan somehow.
Not exactly sure how. Probably something to do with the Promethean cult.
I don't know. I thought it was kind of like how, you know, the emperor, if he gets Syka's sacrifice to him, he can get rejuvenated.
But Vulcan does that with lava. Like cool.
I think it's implied that the emperor basically whispered to Nubian being like, you know, see the lava. Yeah.
You know, like your dad in it.
No, he said like also jump in it. What?
It's like what do you mean? It's just a background thought. Just do it.
The emperor is like, what is that? The call of the void where it's like you're driving and you're like, I could just drive off the road right now.
Well, you know, you lose concentration for like one second, like a split second.
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They saying Noble Six is still in that cave. I also follow path.
Wow. Yeah, sheesh.
Dude, Vulcan is just Noble Six. They both fell out of orbit. They both are hiding in a cave alive somewhere for real.
Yeah, to be fair, he drops like massacre happened and then all Vulcan savers survive.
But yeah, makes sense.
See, it checks.
So, yeah, that's that's our tell us. Not really much other than he was a cool. He has cool armor.
He's first captain for a bit.
And he he he does so our savior could live Vulcan. Nice.
Only two or two or so others. I've got no miss right time. Regents of Nocturne and Lord Chaplin of the Promethean cult during this time.
He defended Nocturne from invasion during the Horus Aracy.
That's him. And last of all, you got forge father to tell.
So you meant you know how mentioned like salamanders good craftsman and Vulcan has a tendency to make horrifically powerful weapons by accident.
Before he left for Istvan five, he went to to tell and he was like the equivalent of like a tech Marine for the salamanders but artisanal.
He's like, I'm not I'm going off to like a big fight. We've never done this kind of fight before.
Could you do me a favor.
Check out my massive vault of doomsday weapons, and there's like thousands of things he's made.
And it's like, oh, these are cool. And he says, all right, to Cal break like, here's the cauldron. I think it's the chalice of fire or cauldron or whatever it's like, I need you to dunk everything to this cauldron destroy everything, but pick but like destroy and he's like everything we can't let anything fall into straight hands.
And then you're doing my hard drive. But my hard drive. But, but, but these are really cool. I don't we shouldn't break these like this. This is a this is a you know, this is like a prestige level five called knife file five million pounds.
CSGO. This is the 10 grand CSGO knife. Yeah, it was Leon Leon gave us another five million pounds. Thank you. We all love Colin and his bad opinions.
Every stray, please. They were actually over an Instagram comment the other day that said, if there's one pancreas no fan or progress no work fan on planet, it's me. If there's one pancreas no work hater on the planet, it's also me.
I really feared and love. I do like how angry homunculus basically encapsulated to Kels storyline of cast it into the fire. Yeah, so he goes dad, dad, please.
How can I keep like a few cool things things are nine, you get nine cool fit and the cauldrons one of them. You get eight other than this you get eight things you pick eight things. And now you're a forge father, and that means you've got to like stop these from
falling into bad people's hands, because whatever you pick.
It's a real big pain in the ass if anyone gets their hands on it. And so he became the first forge mark forge father. And that's his character art completed, he broke everything else.
He recycled everything like a good boy, and he kept nine items including a ship and a massive doomsday cannon on that ship, and some weapons. So that's all like, who's the one who he was the original like Legion Master, and then he got
he got awked. And then he said then, Vulcan made him like a bespoke.
Cassian Vaughn. Yeah, he was like, yeah, he was made Vulcan made him like a dreadnought chassis that was practically indestructible.
And he fought the Alpha Legion during the Horus Heresy he's kind of cool. He fought he fought alongside Narik Drager, and they were like, oh, these Alpha Legion are pretty cringe, and then the Arude was like, I know right and I'm an iron warrior
and they fought together to fight the Alpha Legion. I think it was a headhunter. I might have read that book. Yeah. Yeah. And the last thing I'll say about salamanders.
There's not much else to say about salamanders.
They were
Yeah, sounds about right. That's about it. All right. So, why isn't. I have not kept up with salamanders Lord. Why nowadays is Vulcan has stand not the chapter master anymore. No, he's too Sean is the chapter master.
Why isn't Vulcan has stand anymore. Did he die. He never was. He was just the main character. Okay, he has to assume that he was Vulcan, and he's got five.
Oh, I see. He's like a special role. And yeah, his role is to make sense and makes sense like he literally goes like you you you you come with me, and then they just go looking for the weapons.
Also, Vulcan has star is like a title they inherit. Yeah, so they all basically become Vulcan has like you basically lose your old name you become the Vulcan has done you are now Vulcan.
Basically, I mean, three who would be called like it'd be like Vulcan and so is my dad, you know, it would be like someone inherit like someone in the Ultramarine is going and now you're like your your mini Gillamon, like, oh, damn.
I mean, I got a lot of responsibility.
I think that's a, I, you're a boot a Gillamon I'm a boot a Gila boy.
Speaking of the baby, perhaps not the best Legion, but the best shattered Legion.
Ironhands baby.
This is all their law. It's here.
Ironhands start, I'm going to go with Andy, this will be not like super brief but I'm not going to do everything.
Ironhands kind of start as a legion called the Storm Walkers on terror. They kind of get that name from a tactic, which is basically hammering anvil, it's just called hammer and storm.
I really hate that part.
We do have a donation here though just before I go on. Thank you very much. Thank you brother.
I'm going to go with the Edgar Allen Poe Marines Raven God, as I like the idea of dudes wearing an Abrams work of metal being sneaky and a start he's being more tactical in general, what changes that additions would you gents make to garner them more love.
Books.
Give them more right books, please.
Well, a slightly serious answer is they need a better floor.
They're kind of like each legions got a cool, like the cool legions have got like a floor or there's like a, there's a big thing like the Dark Angels are embarrassed the Ford and the Blood Angels have black raid, the Raven God don't really have enough of a floor.
And not like when they go in the light, they burns.
Just two obvious references is probably the problem.
But speaking of a legion that will become very flawed, which I enjoy.
So they base, most of the legion gets their recruits from old Albia which is basically UK baby.
Yeah, true life of a Brexit geezer.
We've got so long without it.
England.
Emperor lovely.
Yeah, right mate off from old Albia and more sorry what you playing out I'm not doing that.
Gaser, or gazers from Albia go storm walk it.
The storm walkers, they're pretty cool but again not much really that kind of makes them unique, as most legions are on the early Unification War stuff.
The gene seed is good though the seat is good brothers.
Good for one specific.
What did he mean by this.
The gene seed is good for one specific thing.
Bionics baby chrome me up.
I'm going to call law next please, please, please, but essentially, iron hands gene seed is pretty like they have a high take of to bionic so if Legionaries lose their limbs or an eye, you know, they don't have rejection that much so that's pretty cool.
Their Primark is perhaps the least amount of war is Ferris Manus. Sadly, as we heard from earlier from the ISFARM part of the beginning, he kind of got killed before he could have a character arc.
So, he was he's starting it.
And then it you know then it kind of ended. But, you know, a Primark did have to die on perhaps the most, you know, horrific battle in the entire early Harris.
Someone had to go it might as well have been him.
He was found on the world of Medusa. Again, another Greco Roman reference there. We love the uniqueness and Medusa is basically like, I mean, it is just the biggest shithole, perhaps, has ever existed.
It's like kind of a forge world, but then they don't make anything cool for a while.
Medusa, Medusa even to the modern timeline is like, is that there's like they've described as like, people who grew up in Medusa don't really see things that have color in them, because there's nothing on the planet that reduces color.
So, it's all greyscale.
It's basically rocks people kind of rave about in, like they have some technology but they kind of rave about in like as just roaming. It's basically mad, you know what it is, it's like greyscale Mad Max, it describes it as at the time.
His story as he lands on Medusa ends up fighting, potentially, I think a tomb spider court, which he names like a serenade, which is because it has like a mythology around it because it's basically a Necron.
It's basically been hooking around for ages, then the Emperor comes and it starts to transform the incorporated into the Imperium. The weird thing about the Iron Hands slash again it well first of all the weird thing is this, it's a man in Ferris Manus who is iron hands.
You know, framework of the iron hands, who often gets legionaries replacing their iron hand. So, I've got a pertinent question about the law of the iron hands how.
Go for it. Who has a sturdier grip Ferris Manus or Rogal Dawn.
What we're gripping on. Because one's a clenched fist and one's a metal hand.
Yeah, I mean, technically Ferris Manus then because it just locks metal. Whereas Rogal Dawn's grip is more of like a, he had like a grip over things in a sort of ruler sense.
I'm not completely there. But the Medusa is quite, what do you mean by that? But Medusa is quite interesting because they had this like, I basically know sort of a barbarian clan system, and they basically transpose that into the Legion itself, and each of the clans within the
Legion, they all specialize in different traits, although somewhat around the idea of it being technology related. Some of the clans that are known, they had clans at the time but some of them are no longer in the 40th millennium they've sort of changed or new ones have arisen.
And in the time of the Great Crusade, there's ones called Atraxie, Borgar, Felg, Kadoran, Morghal and Ungvar. It's called Borgar? Yeah, V-O-R-R-G-A-R. Wonderful.
Borgar. I love Warhammer. The clans themselves are sort of, as much as they were designed to basically cover each other's weaknesses or sort of be legions within legions, so they would send out clans to sort of, you know what I mean, like if the Iron Hands had to get Codex Astartead at any point, they probably could have.
So they were, they were obviously, they had so much, Medusa's are quite independent and hard headed, much like Ferris Manus. Some notable legionaries, we're going to go for that before their Great Crusade lore.
Can I mention a tidbit about the clans as well? Oh yeah, go ahead.
So basically, Ferris had a policy of, we're not going to make Medusa peaceful. You are all going to fight each other all the time to make you strong. So that's the kind of guy he was. He was like, I could like, make peace and unity between, he's like, no, I want you guys to be like, attacking each other and like prodding each other with sticks and punching each other in the teeth.
Like, yeah, that's the kind of guy I was like, just to keep you tough. So yeah, opposite of Vulcan. And yet they got on quite well.
One last thing to mention as well is that it describes in the books that every single person from Medusa is pretty ugly.
Like they're just like, they're just like me. No, they are like, it reinforces a lot like they are all pretty like, the looks is not a...
None of them are allowed to have a non broken nose by the age of 10. It's like, no, we're Vulcan.
They're pretty ruthless to live on Medusa. But then, you know, again, like the strong emerge, they're fighting a war.
They're not building civilizations. But some notable members, again, Ferus Manus.
We're going to go over most of his story in the subsequent Great Crusade section.
Leon Leon donated a 10 pound saying Ferus Manus, aka Iron Daddy.
Iron, that's him baby. Thank you.
Not for very long, unfortunately, in the lore.
So Ferus Manus, again, Primarch of the 10th. He kind of.
I mean, as much as like I will go over his character again, he's a sort of a very strong headed.
But I wouldn't say like he's not like known as he doesn't fulfill a role that a lot of other brothers do in like a finished empire.
Ferus Manus was designed to build an empire and for conquest.
He never thought of himself as something more than that, really.
You know, he was he could build stuff like many that he was pretty good with technology and understand it.
You know, like Pertorabo could build things without having to like he had the designs.
You like Matt and his brain knew everything.
Basically, whereas Ferus Manus could just work out anything.
So it one of there's a bit in one book where he's actually looking at technology that's way beyond the Imperium.
And he just by a look, he can actually dissect it and he actually understands it.
And he also has like some cool weaponry like he used to to disassemble PCs and be like, how does this work?
But like, you heard of Bitcoin. It's getting big.
Another small I got to get through quite there's quite a few iron hand characters because they kind of this is like where they get all their law, really.
There's a guy named Amadeus Duquesne, who was kind of like one of the old geez of the Legion.
He was the Lord Commander.
Yeah. So when a lot of them would talk about Amadeus Duquesne, they would mention like, yo, that's Amadeus Duquesne.
Like, holy crap.
This guy was basically sort of like actually the oldest guy in the entire Legion.
Very well respected. You know, Primarch knew his name.
Sadly, he gets it.
It's fun. And he's the one who actually like sends out the blaring call for like he just says, you know, run away, live, get revenge.
And he lets himself sort of buy time for others to back away and evacuate in space.
There's a character called Gabriel Santa.
I think he's part of the is he part of the Sisyphus, the crew of the Santor Santor dies, I think on this farm because he's the first captain.
Yeah, I think so.
There's so many that I get confused.
Gabriel Santa was the first captain. Apologies. He has to submit another name. Gabriel Santa was the first captain of the Iron Hand.
Again, as you can tell, memorable.
Gabriel Santa unfortunately dies in the third book.
So in the horrors, by the way, fourth book, we got a 30 squigglies from incoming backup saying they don't tell you that in law.
But the reason Ferris needed to get metal hands is because he got his hands bitten off by Boing Gob.
Yeah, yes. Rackets rip rotisserie king.
It's all coming together.
No surprise to have that.
There's a cool bit on Medusa where they basically say there's just like a shadow lands area and there's just like creatures in there where like even the modern day iron hands just don't go near it because it's just considered like that's for Boing Gob.
Hopefully, Gabriel Santa was kind of the only space marine who was able to calm Ferris Manus because Ferris Manus was a bit like once someone pissed him off, he was like a bull and he would lock on and he was like, I'm just I'm tearing it down.
Richard Nixon.
No one's breaking in.
Sit down.
He's that thing in future I would like his heads in the jar as well as pretty.
Pretty good link Gabriel Santa was pretty skilled but he did not end up dying on on the fields up is fun five he kind of I can't remember who killed him it was not was one of the other Empress children or if you remember Eli might have been voyrosian
possible the guy who's in who was the guy who birthed the who the sonic weapons.
Is this on his fan that you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I think you like, cut some up the groin and then like, where's the skin or does something. Yeah, and the thing is, is worth mentioning that again, this is like the first time anyone seen what the Empress children have been doing with
like, themselves and makeup.
I mean like scalpels and stuff, and the iron hands basically their reaction is just like, let's go fight them and they just go.
I don't want to fight that anymore. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty, pretty horrible there. So I will slight want to be I want to add on as well. The iron hands themselves are not even at this point they're not like super like no like product pro I love them was like
like a pro emperor during Great Crusade, some of that, the unhands were very much just like, yeah, we're kind of just soldiers and we enjoy soldiering like they don't even have that much imperial iconography on all their armor their armor is designed to just be the best in
people. They're just very utilitarian utilitarian, like they just get the job done and that's like Ferris never wanted to be like a conqueror or a win, he wanted to be a concrete didn't want to be a leader is like, I'll just get stuff done, because that's the job, I'll get the job done
now. Now go home and I'll do it all again. Susan. Isn't she lovely and the next character is called Shadrach Medusen some people who actually even heard of the iron hand iron hand character like Shadrach, because the reason why everyone likes Shadrach Medusen
I will go over some more of his events in his, the Horus heresy law section but Shadrach was a Terran, and he's basically kind of one of the few who actually sort of realized the flaws within the allegiance ideology and was able to do something really cool within the Horus
heresy and actually almost managed to kill Horus himself. He tried to assassinate Horus loads of times, and he got really close.
And it's really funny, Horus is like this guy's getting on my nerves and he's just like, he was a massive pain in the ass for Horus. Another character called Ortek Maw, who's perhaps the biggest asshole of all the loyalists ever.
This guy would like, he would, it's kind of a thing of everyone here watch Bleach. Is it? I never saw it. There's a character like Yawarch, maybe Yawarch, like if someone had to, like in the iron hand, you can become a captain by dueling the previous captain and killing them.
Like they would only let the strongest lead and Ortek Maw would regularly duel other legionaries for fun, just because they annoyed him. Oh, not even iron hands or?
No, other iron hands. He had a reputation. He was good at what he did, but he was a complete dick and he was very, this guy did not care about civilians one day.
There's also another captain called Ulrach Brathan, who will be part of the crew of the Sisyphem, which is basically the Sisyphem.
Seriously? Is that the actual name?
The Sisyphem. It sounds like that. The Sisyphem, apologies. It's a different vessel.
Oh my god. It's the US, the Imperial Sailor Ship Femboy.
There's a Horus Heresy plot, which is it follows the crew of a, basically the Shattered Legions, like a few of them survived and they all board this ship and this is the one that manages to basically semi-assassinate Fulgrim and then some other stuff that Andy will cover.
But they even have a Cedar Terror book on them as well. This is the captain who basically gets Isvand and he's kept in ice in stasis and they basically have to awaken him like a computer for information and he's always at the edge of death.
It's an interesting, weird little orbit there, but again, the iron hands just don't care. Someone's like, turn off the light support, I'm over. And they're like, no.
No you ain't.
And, oh, Alan's just going away for a bit. Have fun, Andy. We have another character called, almost all of the characters though, again, not that, not a huge amount of them, but just someone called Jebez Org who was kind of the initial leader, after all the Shattered Legions were just kind of lost after what happened.
And Jebez Org was a Medusen and he kind of realized like he wasn't right for the leadership and he would eventually give it over to Shadrach Medusen who is like, yo, let's get guerrilla warfare going.
He would be his second, which is very weird in Medusen like culture, you don't really give up a position like that. So he was quite different. Another character is called Bayon Henrikos who sort of, I think he's the one who is, they basically discovered that there's something called the dark
mechanicum and they discovered that the warp is basically infected. They discover how, their plotline, they discover how the Trater Legions are able to navigate through the warp, even to the modern day, they basically have like corrupted machine spirits that are like with demons in them.
So there's a plotline there and they also, he follows along with some white scars and they basically try and kill Horus, funny enough.
And they want to counter, yeah, that involves a plot of like, there's a character called Little Horus who doesn't make it to the end of the...
Horus Axeman, right?
Yeah, yeah, he, they try and kill him as well. Bayon Henrikos ends up getting killed by Little Horus but then Hubu Khan, who's one of the white scars, he got lent. Oh, there's a really cool part of the lore here. At this time, the, like the dualists of the Iron Hands, they carried around Zwei handers.
Which is like, it's a thing that they don't have in the 40k stuff, but they...
I wish they did.
No, but it's because again, like the Iron Hands, they built bulk armor, so they thought we need like a heavier weapon. And he actually lends it to a white scar and the white scar goes, this is really hard to wield. And they're like, yeah, you got it. It takes a while to get used to that. And he ends up like slicing Horus Axeman's face off.
That's why we love it.
Literally has a face off.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Took his face...
Literally face off.
Off.
Yeah. And then there's a last character called Sybeck Wayland, who's probably one of the coolest names. I actually enjoy them that Legion. Sybeck Wayland was a character who based Izozgen part of the Sisyfem group.
He's sort of tied in with a character that Andy will talk about later, but he's also immortalized in the Iron Hands Medusen sort of fortress monastery as like the one of the few images they have the Horus heresy, which is Sybeck Wayland rescuing Raven Guard from Isfahan Fai. So he's actually like an immortalized character.
It's a shame he's one of the coolest characters and there's like one picture of him and it's like, you know, there's that Horus heresy Siege of Terabooks images where it's like busts of just the characters heads. Fastly the only thing we have is like, can we not just have him in the armor, please?
His story is quite funny because he doesn't like any of the Salamanders or Raven Guard, because he doesn't like, like, they all have like a sense of humor, and then he's like, mmm.
He's just the typical grumpy old man.
You all have fun.
Yeah.
Moving on to the Great Crusade lore.
Essentially, well, Iron Hands lore starts with again, terror, spreading out and then spreading out and meeting their Primarch.
So, um, Ferris Mask gets found really early on, so the fourth Primarch found pretty, so he gets to mold his legion pretty quickly. Iron Hands specialize in, you know, basically upgrading their technology, bionics, heavy, heavy artillery and bombardment.
They can have the, even to the modern day, they have the most amount of transport tanks out of any legion. They're basically an armored core of all the legions. Armored core? Someone said armored core? It has lore, right?
What's that? What's that shop where you buy all the gadgets in the UK? It's like, man-made whatever it's called.
Greggs.
You buy that gadget shop and it's just like, the Iron Hands are just like those guys. It's just like, oh, they've got drones. Oh, they've got like, weird gadgets.
People don't know the Wetherspoons lore.
That's the space wall town.
I do not know the Wetherspoons lore, I gotta get that.
Wetherspoons in the UK, but there's like a, Wetherspoons is like a chain.
Usually people are like chain restaurants or like chain fast food. This is a chain pub.
But it's known for having like pretty good drinks and then pretty much like basically what people think English food is.
Think of it like this. Imagine the, it's the McDonald's of alcoholism. It's like, what if McDonald's were a pub?
Oh, that sounds so gross, dude. Oh my gosh.
They'd go in, really cheap alcohol, there might be pipes, but they've got security on the door so it's fine. It's like, that's the vibe.
Like if people complain about English food, this is the place that makes that food. It is where perhaps cuisine goes to die, to get picked apart.
Picked apart at Isfarn 5.
Microwaved cooked chicken basket for me please and a strong guy.
You never eat a Wetherspoons.
Oh my gosh.
Deep fried arsehole, it's terrible.
My favourite.
So, so, continuing on with the lore. And then the Ironhands also developed their friendship at the time with the Emperor's children and Fulgrim.
You know, they basically become best buds because the Ironhands are their whole thing about, they, much like the Salamanders are like a self sacrifice thing, the Ironhands seek perfection, although their perfection is more of in terms of winning war.
Like they basically, whatever makes them the perfect soldiers, they will do that. So if they have to upgrade, like, and they say they think a lot of times, the phrase, the flesh is weak sort of starts around this time, although I will explain the
kind of how they misinterpret it, but they, a lot of them think, ah, my poor human eye, I get old, I get sick, I can, you know, my human eye, I have human flaws, but a machine doesn't have flaws like that, so
they start to replace stuff. They basically conquer loads of planets. Again, it's not the most decorated out of all of the legions, but they pretty much are, I would probably say middle of the pack to be honest, because the Ironhands, despite
the tactical, despite the tactical genius of like the lion or Horus and stuff like that, the Ironhands are very much, they are sent against, like the kind of simile to Ironwarriors, they do get sent against pretty horrific foes a lot of the time, because again, they'll grind things down into paste.
Although they aren't like the Ironwarriors, it's like we have one tactic, and if we throw enough of our men at the wall, it will win, whereas the Ironhands are like, we should maybe go around the wall.
Good idea. Like they're a bit more logical.
A slight interesting as well is that, a slight interesting as well is not as well known, which is the Ironhands actually have quite a lot of, so you know like in sports teams, like players get sent out on loan.
There's quite a lot of that happens in the Ironhands, they actually have quite a few like smaller detachments or squads from other legions, they're actually a contingent of thousand sons actually follow along with them, a small amount of Empress children, a small amount of ultramarines actually follow along in some stories as well.
So they actually work with, and they've often as well trained a lot of the other Primarchs or legions. So they kind of are like a weird mix, again like because there's so many different clans within, it's sort of like its own mini empire than the Ironhands.
Yeah, and they sort of. And again it goes back to that, we were taught to get better through conflict and competition, so they like to be like, how do you do war? Yeah? With like special hats, cool. We can try that.
Yeah, what's the weird part is everyone seems to like them in the universe, in terms of like all the other Primarchs and legions like working with them because it's kind of like, they're seen as like, the food, yeah, obviously they say that the food of the old reliable essentially, there's nothing wrong with them.
They're not gonna be your best mate, but they're also like that's like co-worker who's going to get done, you know that co-worker who actually does his job.
Yeah, it's a pretty good hammer, just saying. Yeah, be not friends, that's how it works. I like how like on both sides of the aisle, it's like Horus said if we get the Ironhands on the traitor fold, we'll win the war.
And then Gillum was like, of all the Dorners few there, one of them where I'm like, and when he when when Ferris died, several man tears from Gillum going, I like Ferris. Just from a comment from Jared Esrin, who put English food is barely passport.
Listen here.
I agree. I have French palate as well so. Do you know what it is? Do you know what it is? It's a culture of overworking, so therefore food is not, you don't care because lunch is like 30 minutes.
At most. I don't know, I get a lot of that. That's what we get around here.
I know, but I guess overwork, there's too much overworking in our culture and not enough spice.
Oh yeah, so at this time, they kind of, again, the Ironhands are very much, they don't really care about being like number one because they kind of know like Horus is the most favored son. Ferris knows that.
Ferris kind of likes the Emperor because the Emperor is sort of like, he's like his big brother in a way who like, they had like the wrestling match in the living room, and the big brother won, so it's kind of like I respect you now, kind of thing.
Because when the Emperor landed on Medusa, he basically went, alright, the Emperor is going to fight round one, ding ding.
Round one. Went straight in.
One of the first things that happens in novel form is a small story where basically, Ferris Manus gets isolated from his legion by the Eldar, and essentially this Eldar Farseer is trying to warn him, basically saying like, listen, I need to speak to you, you're a Primarch, son of the Emperor.
A catastrophe civil war will be coming soon, and Ferris Manus is like, alien filth, what are you saying, lies. And then the Eldar basically goes, he's too stubborn headed, why'd they choose him?
They chose all the wrong Primarchs to talk to.
Yeah.
There is an interesting part where they actually show, it's an interesting bit where they must separate him by creating a psychic storm that basically short circuits electronics, so an entire legion that has bionics, that was like this, they would, this sort of changed them, because they were like, oh my god, they just tapped us in our biggest weakness.
And one character I mentioned earlier called Bion Henrykos, he was quite young at the time, he basically only had an Org-Metic arm, like one, and then he took it off, and then when he took it off, they were all like, oh my god, what are you doing?
That's cringe. But he basically went, I don't care, because our Primarch's in danger. And he alone with like basically the mortal soldiers went in to go fight the Eldar, the mortal soldiers basically got killed to a man, but because they did a job they couldn't do, they basically gave them like a place of honor, so they kind of guarded the Primarch since then.
I can't remember the name of the group, whatever, because again, Einhansel.
They would then-
The Morlocks, is it?
I think so, maybe.
That's the honor guard, that's like the elite.
Oh no, that's the part of the legion, this is like the mortal human ones.
There's also another event where essentially, Ferris and Manus, they found a world that was kind of like, they basically found a second Mechanicum, and Ferris was like, he already had a pretty strong alliance, the Einhansel always had a strong alliance with the Mechanicus, Mechanicum of Mars, and they basically went, yo, we kind of needed to like just pack this world in and implode it.
And Rogal Dawn went, nah, we could probably just incorporate them into Mechanicum, they had a massive row about it, and they basically fielded champions.
They had a barney.
Sigismund basically managed to beat the Einhansel champion, and Ferris has basically walked away being like, fuck, we looked weak, you know, like we're pissed.
Yeah, and he basically like took that guy aside, and was just like-
Why do you suck?
Guess who's getting beaten tonight, just saying.
Because that was the kind of guy that Ferris was, like, if you fail, I'm going to make you pay for it.
The whole thing was-
I'm going to whup your ass.
A slight thing as well, the Einhansel are not friends with their Primarch, like, as much as like, a lot of them are like, you know, oh, friends, you're my sons, Ferris, Manus, and Merriman are just like, I'm your commander, that's all I am to you, you're soldiers first.
So there's a cool bit there.
And yeah, they're extremely loyal, and they love him, but they are like, it's like a stern dad, but stern dad is also like-
Because he just wants them to beat better.
Fighting.
There's also the events called the War on Gardenaal, which is basically, they find a planet where essentially humans are sort of produced in, I don't know, they're not vat-grown, but essentially people just get to, like, basically the nobles essentially get their gene seed.
Shall we say, spread out amongst the population, and the, there are literal billions upon billions of humans on this planet, and it's like sort of small empire, and the Einhans are having to fight them.
They have like terrible, like, basically modern day guns versus Einhans, but there's so many of them, like, all the Einhans weapons keep getting clogged up with meat and horrific things.
And then this is where they find out, like, there's an assassination plot on Ferris Manus where there's kind of like the old members of the nobility are on like a life support.
They basically have like what a dreadnought should be if it's like a futuristic sci-fi, and they manage to like sneak in to the main capital ship, and Ferris Manus by the way, his throne is inside a vault.
Like he made an actual vault inside the ship.
Which doesn't, which actually gets turned against him, because one of the guards outside, he basically has like a bomb trigger, and he basically starts vomiting up acid and just locks the doors.
And they try, and then the two, a psyker and this sort of massive sci-fi dreadnought try and assassinate Ferris.
So the psyker like tortures his mind with like visions of his old life, and him basically surviving as a baby, fighting a necron thing.
And then this massive dreadnought, we have like plasma futuristic cannons, which is where the, as I said earlier, Ferris is able to recognize technology that's beyond even Imperial stuff.
But Ferris just just, there's one great bit, basically he ends up winning, and the dreadnought guy basically gets smashed apart.
And then the psyker guy goes, I'm so sorry.
In fact, maybe we could work together.
Before we can finish that sentence, it literally says like Ferris just literally caves his hammer into the guy and it goes so hard, it like dents the wall of the actual vault that he built.
He said he hits it so hard.
I'm not locked in here with you. You're locked in here with me. Bonk.
He said he hits it so hard, he actually caves in the inside of the almost impenetrable vault door that he made.
It's pretty awesome. It's a great art there.
Imagine being on the other side of it and you're just like, can you hear anything?
And all you just hear is bonk.
He rockets Fulgrim's hammer that he made.
One of the last few bits of the Great Crusade is, towards the end, they have a small bit of lore where they mention, they're kind of worried that they basically got overshadowed by mostly other legions, because a lot of them, again, the Emperor kind of has, yeah, the Emperor had favorites, and they basically have to come to terms with the fact
that Ferris sort of, at one point he tries to sort of act like how Fulgrim or Giliman would, where he starts to negotiate with people and things like that, and it always ends up in failure.
So he basically goes, what the hell am I doing? The Emperor's already got a Giliman. I'm Ferris effing Manus.
So he ends up, I'm just the guy who rocks up and destroys planets. I don't need to be more complicated than that.
I'm just loving the idea of him in a negotiation, like, hi there. I'm the diplomat from the so-and-so. He's like, hi there.
I'm Hammer. I'm going to kill you. Do you like hands? What? And he just, he's frustrated. He's just like me.
He basically sort of has a, comes to clarity, man, where he just says, I shouldn't, you know, other than the ones of, you know, Vulcan's a crafter,
Giliman's a diplomat, the lion's a leader, Horus is the charismatic one, who they basically- Sanguinius is hot.
Yeah. They kind of, they kind of recognize, again, funny Lord Tibbet as well. There's a funny Lord Tibbet we should mention as well.
I probably haven't mentioned it so far. Ferris Manus literally has iron hands from the tomb scorpion thing being melted onto his arms.
Also, the Lord Tibbet where Pertorabo, the iron warriors, asks why is he such great friends with Fulgrim?
And it's the only time Ferris Manus ever laughed around another Primarch other than Fulgrim because basically he just doesn't get it.
Because Ferris Manus, literally him and Fulgrim are such bros. They're like, they are vulnerable with each other. It's cool. It's not cringe.
Am I right in thinking that he didn't like anyone calling him the Gorgon apart from Fulgrim?
Yeah, because that was- It was like- He liked that it intimidated people to be called that. But if one of his sons was like, right Gorgon, he'd be like-
No, you fucking don't.
That's like someone else referencing your mate's group chat, but they're not in it. So, you know, like that's just like you got to stay out your damn lane.
And the last bit of the Great Crusade lore was the battle with the Empress Georgian with the Diasporax, which like the human slash Xenos fleets that were sort of roaming around.
And basically, this is pretty much the start of the- the Heresy is about to start and they kind of upshow the Emperor's children in this last bit.
Well, Fulgrim feels like they got upshone when Ferris Manus basically ends up destroying this fleet of non-compliant humans and aliens and the Heresy sort of will start shortly after.
Horus Heresy lore, Isvon V, we know what happens with that. They basically- Yeah, the Iron Hands sort of overextend, whereas the other two were trying to run back and retreat.
Because the other Primarchs were like, we need to- you know, the next wave's coming. We need to fall back. And he went, no, I can get Fulgrim. I'm close, bro.
And him and all the first company, all the Terminators, the Terminators couldn't keep up. I feel so bad. Like Gabriel Santel was like, huffing it. Because Iron Hand Terminators, by the way.
Biggie is imagining the poor faller going like, dad, please, mate.
It doesn't- it really doesn't get across how like Iron Hand Terminators are massive because they have like- they've got- they have- they don't need to carry guns in their hands because the guns on their backpack, you know what I mean?
Oh yeah. They're pretty- they are massive, but they- so they try to keep up with poor Ferris. Ferris dies to Fulgrim. Very sad. And the Iron Hands-
Even sadder that he actually wins the fight, but then the Lair Blade is like, ha ha ha. And it's like, takes control of Fulgrim.
There's a small- And then Fulgrim's like, no, no, no, no, no. Oh no. It's a small little-
Big sword strikes.
They almost- most people don't remember that part, which is, Ferris is about to kind of kill Fulgrim, but then like the demon surges up and then sort of overpowers him. So he was kind of- I mean, to be fair, he kind of lost before when he was trying to get-
He'd been like stamped in the chest and then like he dropped the Fire Blade and then he went to grab it and then Fulgrim's like, I don't want to kill him. And then the blade went, aah.
I know, I meant when Fulgrim tried to recruit him, he basically got knocked out by Fulgrim and he was like so embarrassed. He was so embarrassed.
Fulgrim bodies, dude. Fulgrim literally bodies. Fulgrim haters, cope and seethe.
Fulgrim stole his hammer and knocked him down. But the Iron Hands at this point basically get shattered.
And so, but funny enough, even though the Iron Hands, the ones that overextended, they actually have all the other shattered legions, they get the most out. So actually a few thousand of them are managing to run away.
There's a cool short story where actually some of them, they actually formed a friendship with some world eaters during the Great Crusade and then they see them again and they go-
Yeah.
Because they're like the void combat with them. And they see them again, they go, what the shit.
And they have the shields, don't they? And they're like, and then the world is like, shields are cringe now.
Yeah.
What's going on with you?
Iron Hands actually had like a phalanx sort of, they actually had good tactics. But again, when a world eater lore happens and it can punch a custodies.
When he's like, well-
Jack Nicholson-ing from Shining going, ah.
Oh, Tom Warren, thank you brother for the five bucks.
Good doing this stream just in time to hear Fulgrim, I'm close bro.
Thank you.
Thank you brother.
Sorry, this is the most amount of lore for all the shattered legion, that's why it's a bit longer than that.
Don't Fulgrim all over my iron hands.
I'm Fulgrim-ing.
Oh, stop.
Basically, the legion is pretty much broken and this is where lots of new ideologies start to form.
So a lot of the different sort of groups, some of them don't even want to work together because the other, they already have the clan system within a legion shattered where their Primarch is dead.
So they don't really work together as well. A lot of them want to fall back onto what previously was before Ferris was called an Iron Fathers Council where like clan leaders would eventually decide something.
So they actually had like a democracy in some way and they wanted to do that.
Democracy?
Yeah, democracy has failed. You're the chosen one.
Iron Father? Boff.
You're meant to destroy the Emperor's children, not join them.
I do like how there's just like a lot of bickering as well, all the clans like, hey, Oi, Averni, where were you?
It's like, we were on Istvarn, that's why we're all dead.
And there's like a lot of just complaining and Shadrachs are just there going, ah.
Nonsense.
Good, is it?
Yeah. So this is where the character Shadrach Medusen comes about. He's a Terranborn, which they kind of do look down upon a little bit.
Except the iron hands.
Because he's not, he has to get, all the Terrans have to get adopted into some of the clans. They're kind of seen as like, you know, your late comers.
But Shadrach Medusen sort of becomes a leader at this time because he basically says, listen, we're like an alloy that's been, we're like a steel or a hammer that's been broken.
Ferris is dead. Clearly our ideologies are wrong.
And he says, we have the other shattered legions here. We have got Raven Guard and Salamanders.
Let's, well, I think the quote was, let's alloy them to our steel to make ourselves stronger.
So they basically saw a guerrilla warfare fight. So they incorporate like guerrilla warfare, specifically from the Raven Guard in a lot of places.
They often use like, the Salamanders to be fair, they don't use a lot of the Salamander tactics in this game.
They're nice guys, they can stay.
The Salamanders are particularly used as sort of like a backbone in a way for the Legion.
There's not as many Salamanders to be fair, quite a lot of them.
The thing is, it's like the Iron Hands had like the biggest losses, but they were also the biggest Legion.
So it's like, there's still a lot.
And then the Raven Guard, there's not many, but they're really potent.
So it's like, I want to get behind them and go.
The Shadrach Medusen storyline is basically they end up pretty much really annoying the crap out of the Traitor Legion.
So the point where they eventually would have a confrontation where the character Tybalt Ma, who are the Sons of Horus.
Fuck that guy.
Basically the guy who sort of ended up joining the Mourn of Orl really late, like the late comers, you know, like standing next to Abaddon going, you know, hey, I'm one of you guys.
He's like, yeah, sure.
He does, poor Shadrach Medusen actually does end up getting beheaded.
So another Iron Hand beheaded.
There's also a weird part where there's a cult of the Gorgon form here where they basically find like a severed arm of Ferris Manus and they attach it to this weird mechanical doll and they create a cult around it because their minds are so broken.
Yeah, it's pretty horrible.
And Vulcan is like, what is that?
Yeah, Vulcan finds Vulcan.
They say to Vulcan, oh, Ferris Manus lives.
Come check this out.
And they're like, that's my mutilated brother's corpse.
Oh my God.
It's not living very well.
You're not doing that in my presence, guys.
And then there's a story called the Keys of Hell.
Basically, there's a technology found in the Great Crusade that Ferris Manus basically said, never use that.
That thing is forbidden.
Do not do it.
It's something called the Keys of Hell.
It basically inverts your mind in upon itself and you kind of turn into like a walking servitor, but you basically have the operational efficiency of a space marine.
So a lot of them did it to stop feeling the pain of what went through because of Istvan.
So there's an entire group that...
You can be dead.
Yeah, you basically, you're walking dead.
Oh, good.
Geez. Recycling.
It's pre... they describe in the book as quite a few of the other Iron Hands find the group that have turned... they call it the turning of the Keys of Hell.
And they basically look at them and they go, oh my God, what have you done?
That's horrific.
And they're like in the ship and they're like, why is it so warm?
And then they all disappear.
And it's like, why is it so cold?
And they find them in the freezer like, oh.
And they basically catch on ice.
And he's like, what is that?
It's Iron Hands stuff.
Don't worry.
It's fine.
Don't worry, bro.
It's pretty much the opposite.
Like Ferris Manus's whole thing was, all right, we'll do the Great Crusade and then I'll like heal my sons in their like wounded soul.
I'll get rid of their necrodermis arms.
Their reliance on technology.
You know, they call this is where the problem they the flesh is weak actually comes from something like Vulcan said, not actually what Simon Ferris said.
Vulcan said the flesh is weak, but deeds endure.
So it's meant to be like the whole reason is like they do this war because they're building a future for humanity's Golden Age.
So that was OK for them to like do all these things to their bodies in the name of something greater and eventually they wouldn't have to.
And then that basically never happened because all they could remember from Ferris's words were the flesh is weak.
So all they said basically the Iron Hands just hate themselves a lot because again, they're the legion that failed at Isfahan.
They failed their Primarch.
They failed the Imperium.
And Ferris had a diary and he was like, dear diary, one day I'm going to take the metal off my arms and I'm going to make my sons understand that it's OK to be human.
It's OK to chill and be like, you know what?
Maybe an Org-Metic laser eye socket isn't so cool.
He writes down his later.
He admits his own biggest weakness, which is the fact that he relies on his metal arms too much.
He gets he's embarrassed to tell anyone.
So poor Ferris.
I think I mentioned earlier about the mention.
Then don't call your freaking legion the Iron Hands.
The Iron Hands.
Oopsies. Poor bad. And I think I mentioned the early big goofed it.
Oh, sad. Couldn't hear you.
Oh, cringe.
Oh, sorry.
Leon Leon.
Thank you again.
Thank you. Holy cow.
He says, I give it to Fulgrim about Ferris, but Dawn makes him look like a bitch.
I mean, what Fulgrim beats Dorn Dorn and said Fulgrim was going to kill him.
And he didn't leave.
Like what happened to the Sieger of Terror?
He got Sigismund and Dorn.
But he left. He left because he was bored.
And then Dorn later said, OK, yeah, bro, I swear I'm yeah, I'm the Phoenix Lord of Cove.
Yeah, bro. I love my favorite.
Dorn literally said that Fulgrim was going to beat him if he didn't.
It's just a confidence issue.
My favorite Fulgrim fight is him versus Gilliman.
He gets Gilliman and then I own it feel who's like the sergeant who becomes a captain.
He's just like, run away.
Grab him.
Get out of here.
Yeah, it's time to leave.
He has too many freaking arms.
Also, the moment you become a demon Primarch, the moment you never take a W again.
Fulgrim taking any W's at all is pretty massive.
I'm going to destroy that planet.
Yeah, but then he got beat up by the lion.
So, you know, you don't take a W against loyalist Primarchs usually.
Mortarion got an F from what? Jagatai, Aldo Drago.
Oh my gosh, and Gilliman.
The F-4 does.
Gilliman to kick him in the nuts.
But when Lorgar found him in the warp and he was within the car already,
he was taking something that was way different than L or W could even describe.
So thank you for that, GW.
I think I mentioned earlier about Bion Henrykos.
He was the guy who helped sort of discover how they traversed the warp.
And he was the one with like Hibu Khan.
And then they cut off a little Horus Axeman's face.
Yeah, and Hibu had his Zwei hander.
I mentioned that earlier.
You know what? I like katanas. This is actually pretty cool.
It's big, isn't it? Yeah, it's very big.
The fact that I'll say my rant to the end about what they need to make for 40k tabletop.
But one of the last few characters is called Ortec Maw.
I haven't actually read the full short story or book he's in.
But it does mention like his role.
Ortec Maw was the guy earlier who I mentioned who would like duel people for fun.
And a massive cock. Like he's just like nothing likable about him.
He went on to form another chapter after the heresy of like just the worst of all the Iron Hands.
The red talons?
Yeah, they are literally described as the worst.
And I think they destroy some world DC facilities.
I think, Andy, you might know a bit more about what does Ortec Maw do that is really horrific during the Horus heresy?
I can't recall exactly, but I'm sure it's something to do with like acceptable losses of allies.
He's one of those kind of guys.
I think it was Ortec Maw. He wants to find a weapon that was being kept by another shattered legion.
And so they end up attacking their own loyalist brothers because they're basically like, we need it.
Who cares? We don't even care.
Like he's very much just to justify the means. I don't care.
He has like that like heavily like tattooed face and that look in his pictures is like, I'll cut you.
It's like, yeah, that's a he's got crazy eyes. Leave him alone.
He looks like he looks like he has always, in fact, been in prison.
Like this guy is intimidating.
And that's kind of the end of like, again, like end of the heresy.
They kind of get split. And there's barely any Iron Hands left.
And the ones that they do have, they're so the ideologies, like a lot of them either hate Ferris, like Ferris,
mourn Ferris, or didn't never in the first.
There's quite a few of them who never in the first place agreed, agreed to the fact they should have someone who has central role,
because again, they were Medusans who don't like serving under someone.
So when they were all put back into the Iron Hands, they were just like divided and ruined.
The last bit here. I was going to say, I think it's also sad that like Shadrach had like a proper like he was Terran born.
The reason he's called Medusan is because he renamed himself to be a son of Medusa, hence Medusan, son of Medusa.
So he was like, I know I'm from terror, not from your world, but let's band together and like make the best out of a bad situation.
And then could have been the could have been like the Raptors version.
Of like a legion or like a group with tactics wise.
But then that just got ruined and then Ortec more left him to die as well.
One of the other characters I mentioned earlier who stepped down to be his second in command, like an actual iron barber after he had been obliterated.
And he's like the last senior senior. He's like his mentor.
It's like, it's OK, Shadrach, I've got your back. Wink.
Yeah. So the iron hands at the end of the seizure, at the end of the horrors, they are great.
They are broken in more ways than you can think.
They really like none of them like themselves anymore because they are there.
There are failures in like physiologically failures in ideology and failures in achievement.
So they are pretty grim dark bit of slight bit.
Just last bit. Post heresy law.
They only agreed to the Codex Astartes because they were offered Ferris Manus's skull.
At the end of his skull was retrieved by the same skull that Horus when he was like going proper mad was like, Ferris, let me tell you something.
I'm going to be a great new emperor.
I just I still find that my slang in my body twinges every time I read that part where like Fulgrim just drops like the prime like first is like dead skull.
And then Horus goes plop.
And then Horus says like the plucked out silver looking eyes are there like just hollow things judging him.
He's like even Horus goes, oh, this is fucked up.
I know that you know that I'm a demon and not actually Fulgrim but plop and Horus.
Four iron hands, a lot of them, their whole legion basically, again I said earlier, they basically decorate traitor ships from the entire thing.
They're like basically I think they even say at the end of Isfahan 5 like loads of them are like their corpses are crucified and you know they take the biggest of elves.
So again they post-Horus stuff, they do get codex Astarte but there's only like three because again there's barely any iron hands, although the iron hands do kind of slightly take on the structure of the Astarte's, the codex Astarte's grain of, yeah.
Although what's his name, crazy eyes from the red talons, he's just like.
They kind of, yeah they grain of salt the codex so they do have their own weird system, they have a, they are led really, they are, Chattamaster is elected for periods of time and then they have something called a iron council where essentially like old dreadnoughts and old members of the legion are like plugged into a computer.
And they also venerate dreadnoughts more, they're like, why scars, ew, dreadnought, ew, iron fathers are like I can't wait to get mutilated.
That thing's so cool, all I want to be a dreadnought when I grow up.
Dreadnoughts to them are like being VTubers to Colin, so I'm not stray, but essentially like it is the ideal.
I don't want to be a Vtuber.
It is the ideal form.
They look at dreadnoughts and they're like, look at the angle on that, that is pinky.
Yeah, technology, they also in the modern 40, first millennium, they don't actually worship the emperor they are part of the mechanicus, they, as in like they worship the machine god. So they actually they praise the Omniscience machine god, mostly, so they're not actually kind of, they're the only ones that will redo that as well I think.
Some of the ones maybe venerate in some way, but being a tech priest is big.
Are we going to be like, emperor is the Omniscience or the Omniscience is a separate entity, and there was this, and then they were like, all right, right, right, right, and then some of them do so we're like, oh, we're weird bespoke chapter that was made from the conflict, and they have all the best gear, they're like, that's a pretty good deal.
And then the system, although many the old clans have fallen only, I think, clan of Ernie is remaining. That's the first company kind of thing.
So you're all weak, you can't be clans anymore. Also, there's a weird thing now where in the last thing is which is something called the forge chain, where previously you just like assigned to clans, or you were born to clans in the great crusade area.
And at some point so you actually have like a sort of, I don't remember the word is but you have like a short stint was a short like a few decades in each clan, and basically each clan has its own sort of iconography or symbol that you're attached to your forge chain,
which is essentially saying, here's my badge of honor, I learned all the things I need to know from that clan, but by the end of it you end up looking like a machine thing because one clan ends up putting a cybernetic like spinal imprint, one that gives you like a technological imprint into your brain.
And by the end of it you are basically a tech freester, by any means, and a lot my last rant is I want this so bad, which is iron hands, they don't need characters and they just need one thing which is they need the hell fathers, which is like units where the hell fathers are from the keys of
hell. Short story, the keys of hell is where they basically went to, you know, they lost their minds. They still exist within the iron hands, but they're basically the guardians of the iron council, they are essentially things that were human, but now like machine things
input like interred within their Terminator armor and they should carry around as why hand is not my rant over. That's the iron hands. Yeah, it sounds like rubric marine type of stuff, but they smell of oil and rotten meat.
There's a cool bit in the one book where they wanted the iron hands and like a human they actually just spot a hell father, and even the iron hands are scared of the hell fathers could basically go. That thing has no human emotion whatsoever in it.
And that thing, the when the humans walk around them they basically just like look around at people and they kind of turn like sort of terminators, and they absolutely should be a unit because they would be ridiculously cool. And that's iron hands, hopefully people like iron hands a bit more now.
Some respect on my, my grind for iron hands law.
The last one I think Andy though is, well, do they even exist can we see their law.
So yeah, let's talk about, can we get a car car in the
All Shattered Legion is basically iron hands law. So that's pretty much have it. But let's, let's, and again like the the trouble with especially researching the stealth Legion.
They don't really leave many tracks. Okay, so great crusade.
So the Raven guard weren't known as the Raven guard before core x obviously, but we don't know what they were really cool. So we just the 19th and the 19th were basically the assassins of the Emperor, not like Alpha Legion assassins where it's will leave no trace, it was like, oh, Terran warlord, will you join the
Imperium. No.
It's that kind of like assassination.
Sounds less of an assassination more of like a mafia shakedown.
Raven garden unification like, I'm gonna give him an offer Campbell fuse. Anyway, so they were like the assassins of the Emperor covert operations reconnaissance, but not in an alpha Legion way where it's cringe.
They were drawn primarily from the Asiatic dust fields of terror, and it would be two centuries so 200 years before they were reunited with their primer. That's all I really can say about unification was.
They're just too good at hiding. They didn't leave any trace of what they did. I think Horace use him as like his own sidearm at some point. Oh sorry I got too far ahead of myself.
He used them as something.
He did he did that and he lies.
Doing something. What are you doing, you know, I was just getting camera right my little, my little message my mommy mental that I go into class.
So yeah, so basically the most interesting thing about chat I'm getting to that. Anyway, so the most interesting thing is like okay so Raven guard. Let's talk about that primer Corvus corrects nevermore nevermore car car car.
So, he was found on the moon of lice as which is in orbit of the forge world of key of our now key of our is ruled by a tech guild so imagine an aristocratic version of the mechanic us, and they have a workforce.
And for the resources they need for the factory on key of our, they enslaved the people on their orbiting moon of lice as which is a mining colony sort of thing.
So a bunch of people that were like, we found this golf baby. Okay cool. Found this like hot topic child.
It's very funny. Even though you have the eyeliner on and everything you're like, golf baby.
Cool. Cool. This is cool. I can't believe he's already got like long hair but like what's going on. Oh, clearly.
He's our savior. We don't own any eyeliner. How is this happening so clearly, our savior.
We need to keep him away from the tech guilds and so they basically like hit him under the floorboards, and they nurtured him and a band of people like, I can't remember her name but there was a lady who looked after him for a baby, and she went on to be
like, I can't believe they actually hide him under the floorboards as well. That's so funny. That's in the book. They actually hide him. They literally do. And there's one point where the guards go in and they're like kindly old man is like, I don't have a golf baby.
Why would I have one of those. And they do like a proper like, looking, do you have a golf baby, and they shine the torch directly at Corax and he's there like,
I don't have a son. And they're like, that's weird. And it turns out, Corax has this ability called rave slipping, where you can look directly at him and not see him.
Much like me in the dating market.
I'm a warhammer guy, what can I say. Anyway, so basically, I think one of us is married.
He's built like a bodybuilder. That's like the guns get girls as they say.
The most important thing to remember is that golf baby Corax is like, oh, I'm actually quite good at this hiding thing in it. Nice.
And the kindly people of Lycée are like, oh, that's handy. As far as hiding a baby goes, oh, that's a good thing to have. So they managed to hide him. And as time goes on, they're like, oh, bloody hell, he's growing.
How many sandwiches has he eaten? 20 a day? Geez, he's grown fast.
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They're like, what did you say? What is Doug's name? The brown one is Jazz and the black one's Athena. Everyone in the chat say hello, Jazz and Athena.
The funny one's called Jazz and the one's called Model Jazz. We'll do an AOE Warhammer stream when Colin gets the rousing for it, I guess. Probably.
The what? The rousing. There's no E before that. What does that mean? Like you roused, you waking up type of thing. I don't know.
What is the age of empires? Age of eternity? Oh, sorry. I thought that was age of Sigmar. AOE. I don't know if you mean area of effect Warhammer stream.
Last radius. Did you mean age of Sigmar? I don't know. I have to go to class, though.
Feels bad. You know, I have to actually get studies. You get to miss all of that Raven guard lore. Oh, no.
Jake was like, I just noticed the Venus. Yeah. Proper Raven guard dog. Yeah.
Hiding in plain sight. Have fun talking about the Raven guard for the next 10 minutes, fellas. We planned this. This was all planned. Yeah, this works.
Sorry, fellas. Farewell. Love you. Long time.
Bye. Van is just like Raven guard lore. I will miss you all. I'll be seeing you all next Friday. Bye.
Now we talk about the real Raven guard lore. Yeah.
I can't be Raven guard lore without someone disappearing. Anyway, so, Tikorax managed to hide in the, under the floorboards of Lyceus until one day he went, you know what, slavery is cringe.
I'm going to, you know, I'm, I, for some reason, I'm way taller than everyone, and I'm well stronger than everyone, and I'm malnourished as heck. So I don't get how this works. But I'm also really good at hiding.
Let's do a bit of sneaky sabotage. And over a few years they managed to band together, and they use, and they, and then they use like, hit and ram tactics and sabotage and espionage, but not in a cringely.
It's literally the scene.
Morgan Freeman see Nana's video is literally that it's like, I'm creeping in your, and play nine inch nails. Exactly. So you're getting in step.
And then you're in the background and corks is like, slavery was cringe bomb, bomb, bomb, and eventually they like, orbitally bombard key of our, because of like well we're up here and on the moon. Screw these guys.
It's just like kill them all.
So they do have, and the Emperor is watching this and go, Oh, that's good.
I like that.
And then the Emperor's like, you did good kid, you did, you did good big, and he goes, Yeah, I like your hot topic aesthetic.
Here's the 19th Legion. Funny fact, they're also like good assassinations and espionage, who'd a funk.
So, corrects goes you know what lysis, I don't like that name. I'm going to spruce it up, we're going to call this moon deliverance in that nice, and then he is known as the liberator of deliverance.
They put their fortress monastery there, he takes up the 19th Legion and goes.
All right.
Here's the deal Emperor.
I'll be, I'll be your commander, I'll be a general, but I'm not going to do any of that cringe slavery or oppression or tenor tyranny, because that's bad.
And the Emperor goes,
Well, we'll talk about that later. Okay, that's good enough for me.
And you will get back to it. We'll put a pin on that.
And so after liberating deliverance, and to an extent, key of our core actually names the 19th Legion as the Raven guard because there's a theme, funnily enough, and they conduct compliances across the stars, and they are well known for hit and run tactics,
and liberating oppressed people like the Emperor I just imagine him being like, right, we need to find out all the planets, where there's like a grievance with some oppression or tyranny be like, correct, can go there, and there, and there, just to not get on his bad side.
It's the no I'm Spartacus but then no one yells it they just whisper it. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Repeat, like the best stuff.
And so, yeah.
And that's basically it. There is something to note that there was a there was an incident called gate 42, where Horace, I believe it was Lehman Russ and correct were to do a compliance.
And for some stupid reason. Well, I know why horrid is like, I'm going to do his first year, how you've listened to the audio books right of the first couple books.
Is this a good impression of force, correct.
I'm going to make sure that we get compliance of this planet, and I have a very special job for you. You're going to attack them head on at the gate is like, hang on a minute.
My legions not good at that.
We're all about a bit more is a bit less. Mr Garrison South Park.
There's pretty is somewhat.
I'm going to take for gay 42. Okay.
And the warmest.
Horace has always had a problem of being like, my boys are the best therefore I don't want them to die as much as everyone else's. So I'm going to hang back a minute and core acts can take the brunt of this.
And like Lehman Russ is like, I will run at the gate.
Okay, fair enough. He's game. And they're kind of good at that. But core acts like, I don't know, and like loads, loads of Raven guard die.
But at the same time, core acts is not 100% a nice person, because he hates Terran's. He's like, oh, you from a cringe.
So we basically sent all his Terran Astarte is at the front line of that battle to try and call them. And so he was like, oh, oh, chorus you, how dare you kill so many, but he was also like, oh, that's a problem.
So, so yeah, I'm a bit like about core acts being a nice person that search situation, but either way, great crusade. That's all they kind of do is fun five happens.
They have among this possibly the single most smallest Legion, but they also have a fair bit of losses but they aren't that they're very adept as fun five for escaping because that's the whole stick.
They're like, if you want to survive this engagement, Raven guard are going to do the best. And so when is fun happens they kind of get split off bra need one of the lieutenants gets a vision for a mortal Imperial Guard commander that, oh no, the Raven Lord's in trouble
and he's like, oh, he's going to use core acts and like a bunch of the Astarte he sends a Raven to literally sends a Raven, and he's like, hi dad is like, what are you doing here is like, oh, and they all escape, which is good.
But core acts leaves the survival effort. And that's kind of all they do literally it's just the stuff we've already covered Raven guard are just there occasionally.
Which isn't that very good at just being like dead, dead, and then they disappear. They have lighter armor, a big stick. They like a pattern of armor named after them I think during the great course, Mark six the beaky, the beaky is there because they
tested it because they're like, it works. It's on brand, they were like, oh, that's quite chic. Oh, depends how strongly you feel about aggressively pointed on. And then there's a space was like, do you like my design system.
Oh, the wolf, they remade that even that's a great complaint. Oh no it's not lutey moxutey. He doesn't know don't know. Thank you brother, he's put. Well people from Earth are cringe and he's so well up within his right so yeah and I got my games mixed up and I was a, it was a total war thing.
I said, total war with today we. Yeah. Um, so yeah. What else can I say about the Raven guard. Not much apart from characters. So, let's go through it like the main one to talk about the premier characters Nikona Sharokin.
He was deployed at is fun five. He was a really good rave slipper, which means he was really good at doing that whole like looking directly at him and you can't see him. Some people reckon he was taught personally by core acts to do that because again he was on
deliverance. When they were liberating and he must have been like 15 or whatever like, I'll chop, I'll check a bomb. The mechanic is like, fair enough.
He was really good at that and some people speculate he was great. He was rescued from a fight with, I believe it was full grim. He got wounded and Sabik Wayland from the Iron Hands crowd was like, you're not done yet, come here, get in the shit.
And Christ like, oh, seeing stars and still a still that Muriel in mural mural mural.
I say it like a one on one mural mural mural mural mural mural mural in.
I said earlier in the video, it's a mural in Medusa still has iconic mural has that iconic moment where Sharokin is saved by cyber wayland, it's like a, that's the only thing they have like the is fun massacre is like it's pretty badass because I'm
pretty sure they're being attacked by full grim, and I just like the idea of so be going, come on you in the ship.
Looks at the prime on goes, no pilots it.
And again they have an interesting relationship where it's like, for the rest of the horror Cersei Sabik and Nikona.
They work together, like, I have, I have strengths and weaknesses you have, and they complement each other so well. So like, to give you an idea.
Full Grim Horus and Patra bo possibly, or maybe more Tarian, one of their assassination attempts I think it was Patra because it was the angelic so it's a robin full grim yeah yeah in that there's a point where it's two of them, so big and Nikona Sabik is spotting
Nikona is sniping, he shoots full grim in the head.
And but I was like, like, surprise Pikachu face.
This is just to let start ease, and then they're like, run. So they run away from their position. And there's a bit where it's like the the book, I'm paraphrasing was like, and I can't Nikona was weaving and sweeping between the lines, Empress children, and well, and I'm worried
again and it's just like, and then Wayland was running straight forward again he's carrying a lot of equipment leave my boy alone.
And the fun thing is it's like finesse and brawn and there's like a bit where it's just like, and then my corner was weaving darting between cover and then so bail and went Iron Man pose and punch them and like, that's where they work so well together is like, I'm the kind of dumb brawn, but also
I'm a logistician and a pilot, and you're well a good at shooting and stabbing. And so they weren't really well together, and they're kind of like the legendary like buddy cop duo of the war.
So we love Nikona, he, he had shot a Primark.
He also did something very important but I'll also killed Lucy's the eternal before he was cringe or more cringe he made him the eternal technically kind of the the prophecies like Lucy's can only die to someone who doesn't care a single bit about him and the corner just
he's a hard killer he doesn't really they have a jewel and I kind of goes like one sword here, one sword here and this is before he's all like eternal.
And Lucy's like, and then there's like an offline where like my kind of like, I feel nothing killing you and pause and I was like, oh, we could really use you now mate, I'm just saying, he doesn't use died since his news lightning claws like a lot the other one he actually uses to
kill the swords doesn't yeah like so it's a bit different. Also, he has a weird habit though his weird thing is like he's so Raven guardie that he just sneaks around the ship, like the iron hand has a conversation with our far yes because our forest wounds speak,
and then he wounds a bunch of the orphans of war. And then he's like, and our first like, don't even try fight me, you'll lose and like owners like probably.
And then he's like, I'll let you go because I like you. But just so you know I'm going to like tell you all my evil plans, and I kind of like, yeah, we cool.
And I was like, oh he like walks away basically. I think as far as goes like so you're not gonna.
You're not even going to try but nope, just go. Yeah, thank you. He's like, no thanks. I'm just like, it is he goes appreciate it boy and like the man who headshot a Primark was like, no, not gonna try and kill a Primark like yeah, you don't have distance this time.
Yeah, other than that other characters we've got agapito and brahm need. I've heard some people I did a video on agapito and people were like, in Spanish I think it is agapito might be another word for Willie, which is kind of funny.
So these two are brothers from liceus, they were in the salt mines alongside Corvus being like, oh, I want to be free, and they became. So it was, I believe it was brahm, the agapito led the talents and brahm led at the Raptors brahm saved the Raven God from Istvan, and
agapito I think led the Raptors who were like the genetically engineered crazy. The, the new space marines that the alpha lead in sabotage the alpha.
The half chaos, the half crow, and agapito was like, I still love you because you're good boys, they were like, my arms, my arms, I love you Corvus accidentally, he accidentally made what they called the, not possess but the Raptors.
The ones were like, if a space marine gets annoyed, annoys the chaos gods too much they make him a chaos spawn. They basically actually made sort of Raven God spawn.
And yeah, other than that, there's also Gareth Arandi. Gareth was in the later stages of the Horus heresy the Primarch's bodyguard he's got a shadow warden.
He would later become the chapter master of the second founding black guard is the thing about Gareth he's a very naughty boy.
During the Istvan five atrocity. He intentionally led salamanders and iron hands into traps, so they die and he could protect his men.
He's that kind of guy. But that said, he saved Corax's life during the day of vengeance against Fabius Biles new men. So even though he's dick. He knows what he's doing.
So he kind of got a free pass. Last character, Nerat Kirin, Terranborn, shade captain, Terranborn, and Corax went, I feel the racism coursing through my veins and he's like oh he's from Terra.
Corax you naughty man. He's like cringe. And so after gate 42, even though Nerat Kirin didn't do anything he was like right, get out of my sight, go away. You didn't die like you were supposed to.
So he was sent to the gold stars, like one of the worst places in the 41st millennium to ever be in. And he forms the piratical black shield war bands known as the Ashen Claws.
And in current era, the Ashen Claws are the guys who basically supply weapons and armaments to the car caradons.
And I will mention he's like oh he's a cool character. He knew what he was doing. He was good. He was like, but it is also worth mentioning like during the Horus heresy. He, he was part of the, the destruction of Nostromo.
He killed the coward of the nightlords, Caron Ophiun I think.
But he also killed loyalists because he was like, I don't care anymore. So that's kind of the Raven Guard.
There's one Raven Guard who Sevatar has like a loyal, like he broke the mind of the Raven Guard and cut his tongue out. Oh, the Raven as they call him.
Yeah. I can't remember his name. Sevatar basically made himself like a Raven Guard friend.
Yeah, there's a Raven Guard serving in the nightlords during the Horus heresy and I can't remember his name, but he's just known as the Raven because it's like, of course.
And in 40, 40, 40k, the Raven Guard are there.
They show our Raven Guard. They are in the Damocles crusade.
Shadow Sun beats them. Yeah.
And then the White Scars get in to get it done properly because that's what the White Scars do.
There is. They are stealth. Whatever version of stealth space brains are.
They've got that cool art where it's the them, the White Scars and the Raven Guard like back to back fighting.
Yeah.
Sado and strike. That's that's cool art.
Yeah, we sure sound excited about it. I mean, I don't know what else to say. It's cool art. That's about how they are. They don't really have much. They don't really have novels. They don't have anything that again, they probably have all the shattered legions came off it like the worst in terms of from a law perspective.
It's just hard because with again, like we mentioned, I think it's really early on in this video, someone said, what would you give the Raven Guard again, like basically depth, flaws, character, things are actually kind of rally around in a way.
I think, you know, like even some like the Ultramarines, their whole big thing is like they are just they do one thing, kind of well, but there's nuance within that one thing.
The Raven Guard just do the one thing still. The thing is, as well, the Ultramarines are like the good boys was like they are literally the what's the term, not cadets. They're the.
Oh, not like soldier boy, but like Scout, Scout, Boy Scouts. The Boy Scouts.
The soldier boy is probably not what you were. No, it's like in my head. It was like around that him. He's not he's not a boy scout from what I've heard. Yeah, the Boy Scouts of 40k and that's fair enough. That's what they're about.
But Raven Guard just say, I'm a sneak in. They are the scout from TF2 going, hello, gentlemen. And then they disappear.
The only other thing I've got to talk about is the Sisypheum, but that's all there is to say really about the Shattered Legions. Yeah, I think we should go for it.
I'll be brief. So main characters in the Sisypheum or the Orphans of War, Warband. The Sisyphem, sorry.
The Sisyphem. So you've got Ulrach Brantham. He was the captain of the 65th Clan Company. He was massively wounded during the Dropsite Massacre. He was saved. But then the survivors were like, oh, here's this venerated captain of the Iron Hands.
We need a Dreadnought. We got any Dreadnoughts. And the answer was no.
Shit. Right. And they were like, oh, you know that like spooky looking door over there? What's in there? And they were like, oh, this is where we keep the Heart of Iron.
And the Salamanders were like, oh, that's cool. What does that mean?
They basically put this thing on Ulrach's body. We grew his organs, but he was in agonizing pain as it happened and it was very slow.
And for the most part, he was just like there going, ah.
And they put him in a fridge. They threw him in a fridge.
Pretty much. And they were like, Ulrach, can you get some advice? He's like, ah.
Go left and right and up down, up down. Cool. Yeah.
And that was kind of his existence for a while.
And eventually they realized, oh, it is regrowing his organs, but it's killing him.
So we should like probably get him off this. Luckily, I should say luckily, fortunately, they were attacked by the Iron Warriors and Empress Children and Karashi Bombastus, which is a great name, was a Dreadnought from the Iron Hands who got killed.
And they were like, that'll do. We'll take his chassis. We'll put Ulrach in it. And the artwork for him is really harrowing because it's like his bare chested, like no leg torso embedded into it with the heart of iron.
And it's like that Robo cop scene where they take it all apart. He's just like a torso like that.
But they put him in that. So I don't know why in the Sons of Selenor, he's there in full plate. It's like, mm. Anyway.
Yeah, he's in charge of the warband. He's pretty cool.
Spoilers, everyone other than Icona Sharrokin from the Raven Guard die. Moving on.
Cadmus Tyro, he's the second in command, the Equary to Ulrach. He led the warband when Ulrach was going, for a long time.
He also inherited his cool like mechanical bird, which is fun, called Garuda.
Ignatius Newman was an iron hand who was made deaf by the Noisemarines.
So that was bad. But then they, you know, we mentioned about the first Noisemarine, Various Virogian.
They met again and he went, and then he was like, I'm deaf, mate. I don't care.
And Volkite cammoned him to death, which is kind of fun. They're like, oh, my superpower is deaf. Cool.
Sabik Whelan, we mentioned he's really cool. Don't need to say much more about that other than he's a badass.
Ironfather Fematica was technically the most superior rank of all the Sisyphean crew, but he took a more, you know, supervisory role.
He basically, the Sisyphean crew went to Luna during the Siege of Terra to get the Magnamata,
which is the material components of the Primarchs to stop the traitors from getting that.
During like their flight, he kind of went, he did that Carter thing, Colin, where he went just like, give them hell, Carter out.
That's basically what Fematica did. He was like, I'm in the ship. Good luck, boys. Bang.
It's crazy how in the middle of the horrors, they just have like a pirate crew storyline.
And their whole thing is to go around and just sort of annoy the traitor Primarchs quite a lot.
This is straight up like a pirate crew in the middle of the horrors.
Although it is interesting that like Corex gets special treatment where the Emperor has like a special place and like, you're my weird like ace in the hole.
Like, if ever I need like something really weird, I'm going to give it to you.
And yeah, Ateshtasa is the only salamander of the warband. He attended to the wounds of the warband.
He really got on with the iron hands because they were good at crafting,
but he also has a really sad death where he's wounded during their procurement of the Magnamata,
and he sees Vulcan and he has that like hallucination where Vulcan's like, I love you. I love you too, dad.
He's like, oh, dad. And then he dies. Oh, Ateshtasa.
And yeah, Nikona is the only one who survives. Everyone else dies. He is the Noble Six.
Not really. He's the master chief of the gang because he survives everyone else dying.
He procures the Magnamata. He goes into stasis and is sealed away.
And obviously the loyalists retrieve the Magnamata because it's mentioned in later lore, but we don't know what happens to Nikona.
So some people are like, maybe he'll come back because he's the only cool Raven guard.
Belasaurus Kull should have found him at least. Like Belasaurus Kull needed that to create the Primaris.
So he's at least they've interacted. But that obviously went to Belasarius first. So Belasarius had to find him originally.
So it's like, I mean, maybe we'll find out on the scouts. He could have just found the gene seed in a hole somewhere.
I think I had a comment on the video I'm uploading soon where a question was, is Nikona Sharakin basically Alpha Primus, the whole gene father?
Yeah, he's the one that's diabeating. I'll take care of that shortly.
There's like a whole Alpha Primus plot with Belasaurus Kull going on at the moment. And it says he looks like a Raven guard.
So yeah, maybe. I don't know. I mean, Alpha Primus still has that whole like, I've had a sheltered life, but I love my dad, even though I don't show it.
But yeah, it's just the case of like, he's one of those loose ends where it's like Raven guard have one character in 40k, which is Shrike, who's the chapter master.
And even then there are technically other characters. No one gives a shit other than Shrike. We could use some Raven guard characters and Nikona is like the obvious.
He's right there, guys. He's right there. Put him in the scouring. Go on. He's like, he's shot a Primarch. He had a Nata with Alpharius.
He's the last man standing of the Orphans of War. Can we not give him some more stuff to do, please? He's right there.
He just went, he did his corner. Halo free win went, wake me when you need me. He literally did that. Can we?
He is quite divisive, though, because a lot of people either say he's a bit too like, like a bit Mary Stu, Mary.
He doesn't seem to lose. Yeah, that's fine. As long as that's his thing.
I mean, as long as he does it with style, I don't mind that he if he's fighting people like Lucius, I don't mind if he dies at the hands of like, I don't know.
Khan, fair enough. Like, oh, it doesn't matter. You were studying the blade while I was studying violence. Like, fair enough.
Like, cool. But we need some Raven Guard characters, guys. I'm just saying.
It's like, I mean, we need Eldor. Please. Please. Oh, God, please, please.
No one from Tom Warren. He says to Bucks. Thank you, brother. He's put a gene seed in a hole is how you get a Roman Syradam.
Wow. Elder Scrolls. Wow. Wow. Wow.
Yeah, that's all I was going to say about the offensive war. They're kind of cool. I think I think that's all of the Stratid Legion's law, basically.
Well, pretty much. Apart from going over every well, there might be their own video at some point, each of them.
So but that's kind of their main arc. So let's anyone else's concept. Well, first of all, Colin, you have to pick a favorite.
I do. Do I? Yeah. Well, least Salamanders. I like. Oh, come on. I thought all that iron hand law I gave.
I look and it means nothing. I'm sorry. I just don't care. I'm just a lonely man out here begging someone to like the end.
And I feel like that I'm used to being disappointed in no one ever liking the elder.
I've accepted it. I've accepted that outside of my audience, no one gives a shit.
And even within that audience, most people don't give a shit.
That's mostly most of all the iron hands law, apart from two books, which kind of end like it starts and ends.
There's nothing more to it there. I will give them that if I had to.
No, I can't even give them that. I'm not a mechanic. If I want to cut my bits off.
But you don't have to. But you can look you can be a bit cooler, though.
No, it'll be a space marine. No, I'm going to I'm going to fight you on that.
I guess you'll be a tech priest, be a tech priest to another lead chapter.
I don't want to be a tech marine. I'll just be a tech priest.
I don't want to get my rocks off holding incense over a damn bolter.
We have a difference of opinion. Fair enough.
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Colin has suffered enough space marine law. Yeah, enough space marine laws.
My brain hurt. There was no Xenos.
I mentioned Eldar once, I think.
It was one of them.
Let's go for empathy. It was them getting angry at Ferris for not listening.
Yeah. Seems makes sense.
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