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I should pull up YouTube and then remember to mute YouTube so I don't go insane.

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Yeah, I've had that where like it double played last last week for me.

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And I definitely.

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And one of those one of those people.

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We should be lying to yourself.

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Yes.

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Hello everyone.

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Hello everyone.

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We're just talking about how we are such professionals and we possibly have left a live stream going

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while they start to record.

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So we hear our own voices come back to haunt us, which no one wants unless you're in an

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insane asylum.

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People just let us know if we're live though.

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Hopefully we can get confirmation, can hear us.

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We sound good.

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We sound coherent, hopefully.

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I think we're live to be fair.

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Yes we are.

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Yes.

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Colin, we're talking about something a primark doesn't want us to talk about.

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It's a bit of a shameful little naughty secret.

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What's the topic of discussion today?

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The topic of discussion today is the fallen.

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Those little those silly little dark angels fellas that are goofballs.

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They did a little bit of a goof 10,000 years ago, except for them.

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It could be anywhere from 10,000 years ago to five minutes ago because timey wimey warp

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stuff.

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Man, we've been talking about timey wimey garbage for a while now.

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We were just talking about Dark Souls 3 and I was complaining about it because it's not

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Dark Souls 2.

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Speaking of timey.

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Okay, no, no.

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Dark Souls 2 is not the best Dark Souls.

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People who are in the chat do not validate that opinion.

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Still a good game.

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You can choose to be on the right side of history or the wrong side of history.

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But anyway, that's not the fault.

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No, Dark Souls 2 is bad for the combat.

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I'll say that.

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That's that's my opinion.

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We can we can we can agree to disagree.

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It's the hitboxes that do it for me.

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I'm like no thanks.

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That bloody pursuer going I'm going to spear you even though it's a meter away.

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Like nah, I'm not having that.

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Cheeky boy.

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He's not a hard fight.

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He's very.

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He's the ballista.

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Okay.

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Before the argument start, we're here to learn about some sneaky, shameful, naughty secret

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in the lion's closet.

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That sounds a bit weird.

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Colin, it's Fallen.

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And who are the Fallen?

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The Fallen were those dark angels who during the Horus heresy, they were stationed on Caliban,

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the dark angels homeworld.

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And they're a yeah, that's right, we're leader Luther, who I always think of as Lex Luthor,

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but that's unrelated.

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He he got a bit of a spiff, a bit of an argument with the lion over almost letting him get

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nuked and as a punishment, but also not a punishment because there's some different

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ways you can look at it as a sign of trust and redemption kind of depending on how you

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want to read in it what the lion's thought process was.

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He was stationed on Caliban to train new dark angels recruits.

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And he got a little bit bitter over that.

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And that bitterness over that kind of doubled down on the mounting bitterness he felt towards

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the lion for basically outshining him.

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Yeah, because you know, Luthor by all rights should have been like the fantasy hero.

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He's like he's he's the guy.

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And then the lion showed up and it's like, well, he's this is a demigod.

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Nothing you do is going to look good compared to him.

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I think Luther would have been like the sigma of Caliban essentially.

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And then he just got, you know, clapped into being a lesser role.

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Poor guy.

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Yeah.

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So he's been bitter.

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And so during this to to cut the long story a bit short, the Luthor seceded from the Imperium

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made a made Caliban very, very briefly independent, very made Caliban great again was his mantra.

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This was a very brief thing because in the Horus heresy ended and then the lion went

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home to find out that his planet was no longer part of the empire he's a part of a little

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bit of a mini Horus heresy happens with Luthor being given a Luther, not Luthor.

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That's no pardon me.

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The bit where the lion burns down the White House to me was quite crazy.

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And all of the land it was on and the planet's like, yeah, yeah.

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What was that?

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There were two ladies with the White House got attacked.

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White House down.

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It was Independence Day.

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Olympus has fallen.

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Yes.

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And they came out the same year.

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Technically it gets blown up.

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So yeah, it counts.

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But yeah, with the Luthor being given a bit of a power boost by the chaos gods and those

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loyal to him fighting those dark angels loyal to the lion and him and the lion fight.

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And it ends with Caliban exploding through reasons that future 40k books have made a

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wonderful mess of that I'm not going to be getting into right now.

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I will leave that to you gentlemen.

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More timey wimey stuff.

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As Caliban explodes the Watcher's Steel lying away and the fallen more relevant to what

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we're talking about today are cast into the warp.

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And for a while everyone goes well, mission accomplished I guess.

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No more homeworld but all the chaos worshippers and or just general traders are dealt with.

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And then they start showing up.

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One shows up and they're like, oh, that's not good.

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And then more show up and then more and more fallen show up.

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And then the dark angels realize that the fact that they had quite the amount of traders

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technically within their ranks is something they really don't want getting out to the

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wider Imperium.

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It's a little bit embarrassing.

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It's embarrassing.

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And then the fact that they lied about them not having any traders is compounded on itself

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for 10,000 years.

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And then you reach what was modern 40K where the dark angels have been brutally massacring

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fellow Imperial forces if a fallen happens to be present or they think there is one present

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or just the idea.

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Well, it's more of I think the more likely thing is if they if they're at a war zone

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and they hear, oh, one planet away is a fallen, they'll just abandon the position of it.

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Right.

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It's less that they're purging everyone only if they're involved.

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But more or less, it's like, oh, is that a fallen?

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Oh, look at the time.

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Sorry, guys, we've got somewhere to be in the like, the Tyranids are eating my legs.

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It's like, no, sorry, we've got more important things to do.

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You could say like the modern dark angels are Dark Souls three fans and the fallen were

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Dark Souls two fans and they just there's so many Dark Souls three fans.

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They have to crush the Dark Souls two.

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I don't I don't know the ultramarines.

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But yeah, I guess that's fair.

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Not most of the time it is an outright murdering allies.

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But, you know, they do do that every now and then if one of them sees a fallen that that

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does happen.

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But usually it's like you said, and it's like, oh, we hear there's a fall in a sector away.

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Have fun, everyone.

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We're suddenly very busy and can't be bothered to help you in this war zone.

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And then some some stuff happens with the lion.

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But the lion comes back.

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That's the stuff that happens.

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Yeah, just a small detail.

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Just a small little of little detail.

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And the fallen are perhaps not fallen anymore.

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That is the brief summation of the fallen.

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One final thing I, of course, would like to add is that the fallen's outfits, as with

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all Dark Angels outfits are, God, they are the best looking space marines.

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That's just period.

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I'm just going to say it does go hard.

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It's really not even that like complicated a design choice.

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It's just here's a space marine, give them a robe.

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God, does it look so cool?

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Like it is unreasonable.

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It's very annoying because if you play any other faction, they're like, I always wish

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particularly some of the art they have for the Dark Angels, like it's just kind of a

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bit more iconic and it's very annoying that those like they kind of anyone else can't

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wear a hood now.

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I mean, for some reason, that's kind of a good thing in other places.

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Although they do have a problem with like, at least from the lore perspective, I had

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a look through some of the characters earlier and there's so many with cool names and it's

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just because there's a model for cool names.

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Is there any law?

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No, it's just he's got a cool name.

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I'll see if I can find an example, but they are really cool looking.

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And yeah, that's the there's the brief little intro to the fallen Dark Angels.

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Then they were traded Dark Angels and now who knows?

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I suppose the answer depends on if the if the lion or Azrael get to them first.

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No, as Madai.

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As Madai is the scary MF.

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Psychotic failure of a chaplain.

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Oh, controversial.

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It's not controversial.

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He's got like one beat compared to like there's another dude.

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Without any context, that sounds really bad.

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It sounds a little bit suspicious, but I promise you it's not.

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These beads are rewards, not for self anything.

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He's got one and some dude who I can't remember the name of is like eight.

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And I think that's just like a brief intro, but we do we are not forgetting about the

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question of the week because we've again we love you guys sending in your answers.

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We've got another question at the end, but I think Colin is going to.

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And he's always in charge of the polls during the live stream.

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So you guys are watching this later.

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And he's always the one who's torturing Colin with like completely biased questions and

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answers.

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Oh, no, I found some of those characters I mentioned.

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So there's one called Night of Ancient Vengeance, one called Scouring Light and Scourge of

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Worlds.

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And he's got a model called Scourge of Worlds and just says he's a fallen angel's commander

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and he wields a power sword.

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Cool.

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I mean, that name is pretty.

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The rest is up to your imagination.

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Get homebrew and get make it get playing some tabletop games and make his story.

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But for now, question of the week.

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It was a hashtag love Warhammer.

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What do you love about Warhammer?

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The first one from Scowleazy, hashtag love Warhammer, the unending amount of multi hour

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long videos I can listen to while sleeping on the couch over the pandemic.

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Baltimore got me through the plague.

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Nice.

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I wonder if like we did poll like what's the percentage of people who do sleep listening

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to our voices and in a weird way, have they heard my voice more than they've heard like

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people in their lives because of how much they had to listen to it.

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This is when how's ego just for everyone listens to me all the time.

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My unbearably long apologies.

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But I do wonder that how many percentage of people if you guys are listening or in the

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chat, I was like, if you actually use us, legitimate, is it just sleep or are you awake

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when you hear us talk?

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We'd appreciate that.

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There's a there's a special fear when you're listening to a Warhammer lore video pad because

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I listen to YouTube just stuff when I'm falling asleep and there's a special kind of tension

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you feel when you're listening to a nice relaxing lore video and then you hear hey hey people

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Seth.

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It is wakes me the fuck up.

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It's just the meme with like the giant horse cock weighs three pounds.

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You know, you tell me you guys must have heard that.

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I can't say I know what you're talking about.

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The meme is like you basically you let YouTube autoplay and eventually it takes you to like

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some really obscure like dark place and then it just ends up being like the giant horse

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cock.

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And by the way, it's not like I think it's like a mushroom.

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It's not even like a like what we're thinking.

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How what are you talking about?

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I'm not being psychotic.

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People are going to put in the chat.

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They've heard this meme before and it's good.

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And I'm like, I've heard the meme.

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The recommendation takes you to weird places.

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I can't say I've heard that version.

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That feels like it's not something you naturally just happen.

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It's in my recommended every day and the struggle to not click on it.

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I think that's a bit of a darker than helping out to be honest.

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I don't know if this is the algorithm.

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I think this is the search function.

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Yeah, YouTube knows us too well.

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Fueled by his search.

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Yeah.

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But I can't believe I put that on the Internet.

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There for all time.

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Next one is from Mark.

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Markad Polor.

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Sounds like Marco Polo but with some actual letters.

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Hashtag love warhammer.

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This is this is just a nice one.

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The space for expression and creativity.

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Cool models, wild lore, wild color schemes and interpreting everything as you want.

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Getting in fun discussions about your imagination, which is fun.

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It's fun to argue, you know, nerd argument over one bit of the lore.

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Who's best?

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Who's worse?

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That kind of stuff.

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See people's cool models and stuff.

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It's fun.

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My plastic toy soldier is better than your plastic toy soldier.

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Correct.

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Essentially.

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But then we've all managed to somehow like, particularly us here, we managed to get employment

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from that.

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So yeah.

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Although I will say it's a slight tangent, but in that vein, I some I watch I read all

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the comments on law crimes and the amount of times I read comments in mine and Colin's

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Halo versus Warhammer video and all the comments are like, Andy's stupid.

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No, I can't use game at like game examples as like valid points of like, I was doing

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my best.

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Sometimes people can be ruthless.

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I did have I think someone gave a take on a recent video on a recent video, but like

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a video of mine a while back.

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And it's quite valid.

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Someone putting underneath my Jack of Tycon video and says, wow, you really did like an

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accented fake voice for that.

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Because my voice actor did, and I just wish I could show him the official GW audio book

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for White Scar stuff because it's bad.

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You think it's more a case of just Colin just destroys me and every time we do a versus

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match.

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It's I need to get out the anger I feel from having to deal with the US healthcare system

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and versus is just simply how it comes out.

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We should definitely do another one of those soon.

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Oh, absolutely.

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We'll do a live argument brothers.

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I was gonna say, yeah, I feel like the second one is absolutely aimed at me.

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I think if I take these ones then go go for it.

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Louie McShootie.

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Thanks for the 499.

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I mostly listen to Mr. No work because he talks about how much he loves a certain Dami

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Mami hell.

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Oh, that's a recent one.

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I've seen I haven't watched it yet.

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Just because I'm like, oh no, this might awaken something in me.

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I left a comment on that video of yours Colin on Morathi that I'm not proud of.

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I don't know if you saw it.

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I need to I need to go through the comments.

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I like to say what it is a day.

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No, I if you want to say what it is, but I would like to I'm gonna look for it.

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I want to see the I'll say it for the people for law for the law criminals here.

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It was I was there the day Morathi gave the Glock 3000 to the Emperor.

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I'm not proud of that.

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That's a Andy if you'd like to if you'd like the TLDR of it, just skip to the end joke

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and that'll explain all you need to know about the video.

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Hmm.

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Last 20 seconds is really all you need.

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Thank you.

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Louie McShootie.

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Thank you, Lacey and Eldridge.

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The old great one is.

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Oh no, Colin of Warhammer head of YouTube.

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Which one would you think fit best?

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I think.

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Are you asking me specifically or Warhammer in general, because there's a couple Warhammer

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VTubers.

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Come on.

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What fits Warhammer?

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Just be honest from the heart.

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And Maury the Ganger there.

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Warhammer VTubers.

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I was on the podcast outside of the fucking fucking.

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Lumi No, it's Lumi.

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You goddamn fool.

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She plays.

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She likes fantasy.

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Man, I'd love looking.

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Yeah, I know.

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This is why I took this.

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This is why I took this one.

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Oh God, I don't know how you.

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The man's knowledge is infinite when it comes to VTuber.

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And you know what?

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I'm OK with that.

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Is this like Horace Heresy, I sleep, VTubers, I'm awake.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You're not.

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But we have another.

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We have another donation by the way.

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Neon LF Grave saying off topic, but I love that as an AOS Beastman player, I don't have

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to buy any new models in the old world.

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Hell yeah.

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That's sad.

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But I thought that.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's probably what most Beastman players in AOS did.

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They just rebased their squares to circles.

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I don't know if you'll get this one, Colin, but Gora and Tiberius, I guess in the Red

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Wake VTuber collab.

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Yeah, I use the Gora artwork in my car caradons from now and like a bunch of them are just

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like, I know what that is, but because it's the helmet version, it's not obvious unless

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you know.

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And I was like, I'm going to do an experiment and see if I was like, oh yes, they noticed.

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They noticed.

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Of course they noticed.

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It's we're degenerates.

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Oh, we've got another donation.

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I think Colin, do you want to take that one?

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Because I think it's for you brother.

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Oh no.

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Thank you.

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Contact Kinetic67, the E for the five C A dollars.

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Thank you brother.

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Colin's cap of injection port floods his brain with Battlestips for every podcast.

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There's a way to do that.

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Isn't it called slot?

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Isn't that a thing?

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Like in Warhammer, there's like, there's a drug called slots, like a combat stick.

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I swear I'm not making this up.

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Maybe.

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Although I don't know.

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There is one in the halo like that, that I might be thinking of instead of Warhammer.

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It does sound a bit filthy though.

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Tom Warren has also donated a fiver, five dollars.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you Tom.

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Saying Warhammer Vtubers are a thing.

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This is why God has forsaken us.

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Exactly.

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I only found out what a Vtuber was because of Colin and my life has been, it's been darker

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days ever since.

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The fact that that moment's crystallized on the internet as well, because he found out

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during a recording.

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I'm not proud of it, but I'm not ashamed because I make money to be a degenerate.

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Quite frankly, that's as far as I care to put any thought in the matter.

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We live very different lives.

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One day we'll get that Bad Dragon sponsorship and we'll crank it up to the 11th level and

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we'll keep going.

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And basically the rule is that Colin's a slut for Vtuber and we love it.

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We support you.

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No shame.

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You don't need to lie.

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You don't need to lie.

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How do we know what's in your recommended video feed?

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You can't talk.

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Yes.

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John Horscock weighs three pounds.

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Anyway, Fallen.

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I think we should get back to the Fallen one.

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We'll finish off with the next question of the week.

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Although there is one quick thing from Chad I want to bring up.

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There is another 40k man tonight.

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He's dead.

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He can't say that.

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No, he's not.

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Eli is a busy man.

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Eli's a busy, he's getting educated and spending time with people he couldn't make it's not,

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unfortunately.

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His wife.

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His wife.

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He's married.

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He's married.

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Eli's got this rare thing called responsibilities, which we have no idea what that is and he

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has to take care of them.

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That's all it is.

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I'm not really responsible for my recommended on YouTube.

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But we do have another question of the week though for you guys.

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This one is just tell us a secret about Warhammer.

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Oh, sorry.

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Go ahead.

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Sorry.

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One more.

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One more.

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Go ahead.

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This one from Jeremy Golden 700.

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Hashtag love Warhammer.

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This one I chose because I've never heard, I've never seen these words in my life and

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I'm just befuddled mostly.

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I was drumming more during COVID and all my blisters and calluses healed.

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I built the Space Marine half of the Dark Imperium box.

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The next half of this is what blows my mind.

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Currently he has 4,000 points of Raven Guard, which I, good on you, Matt.

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I'm not judging.

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I just never thought I would read that in my life.

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2,500 points of Necrons.

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Solid.

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And 1,000 points of Mimera Eldar.

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Hell yeah.

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And 800 points of Dark Eldar.

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Of this stuff, I'm addicted.

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Hell.

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If that's 4,000 points of Horus Heresy Raven Guard, that's okay.

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Because that's like two tanks.

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But if that is 40k.

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If you said Dark Imperium box, I don't think it's Horus Heresy.

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My lord, that's a lot of Raven Guard for only having one character.

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Damn.

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Caw caw.

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Caw caw.

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Caw caw.

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Thank you, brother.

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Oh, there's another dono.

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Do you want to get that one, Colin?

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Oh, oh boy.

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I see why you got to do this.

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Yes.

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Eldritch is a great old one.

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Thank you for the five bucks again.

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I'm pretty sure Pippa Red Warhammer Lorath Moranthi via the shot he would send through

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his body would make his pancreas work again.

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I'd fucking do that.

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That would send me into anaphylactic shock.

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Does this dude know you?

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I'm not, I don't have many secrets.

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He's very honest.

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As of what I enjoy, I'm pretty open about it.

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Well, uh,

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No transparent.

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Speaking of secrets though, finally, the next question of the week is tell us a secret about

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Warhammer 40k.

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And obviously it doesn't have to be a legit secret.

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It can just be something completely stupid.

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We don't mind.

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Let's be hashtag secrets.

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Yeah, again, could be a secret that, you know, Cypher's true identity is actually just, um,

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Oh, who's the great, I mean, I'm trying to think of the guy's name now, but I've drawn

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a massive blank though.

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He's Gary Busey.

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That's who Cypher really is.

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Colin's thinking like, Oh, why have you brought that name up?

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I wasn't ready for that.

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I think it's because I heard like on a podcast before about how Gary Busey is so annoying

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in person.

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Like when he's on, when he's on the phones with people, he would like, he'll be in first

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class and kind of just like, Hey, how was your day?

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And just starts talking to people.

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I think that was a Rooster Teeth animated adventure.

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I think it was.

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Yeah.

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It might have been Rooster Teeth.

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It was a while back.

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If you remember Rooster Teeth, because I didn't know that.

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Before the downfall.

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Before, you know, if you were, that'll be a true generational divider.

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Do you remember Rooster Teeth?

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You're like, Oh no, that'll be, that'll scare me.

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We're not that old yet.

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We're getting there, but we're not that old.

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The dividers, when you ask them, do you remember Rooster Teeth?

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Do you have fond memories or do you remember what they've done the last like three years?

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Oof.

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But speaking of some other secrets, we are today talking about The Fallen, the kind of

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the big shame of the Dark Angels.

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And it starts all the way back in 30k.

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So we begin with, I mean, is he daddy's favorite?

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Maybe it's the lion, Lionel Johnson.

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As Colin said earlier, it's kind of not his story this one.

500
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So I will be a bit briefer on his elements, but the lion is obviously on the world of

501
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Caliban and Caliban is basically feudal Arthurian legend essentially at this point.

502
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,520
And he's adopted by his father called Luther.

503
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,680
Luther's a great knight and probably would have been Caliban's Sigmar if it wasn't for

504
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,680
the lion.

505
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,680
Poor guy.

506
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:46,680
And there's also another guy called Zahariel, who's a young member of sort of Calibanite

507
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:53,560
society and they are all part of the quote unquote order, which is basically Knights

508
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,100
of the Round Table.

509
00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:59,440
They go out and they hunt the beasts of Caliban who are slightly Celtically tainted.

510
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:00,440
They're a bit funky.

511
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,440
You know what I mean?

512
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,880
It's like you go to the zoo and the animal has just not been fed enough.

513
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,880
Yeah.

514
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,880
And Caliban is a death world, but it's not like a lot of a death world.

515
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,880
It's like there's just lots of bad pieces.

516
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,840
Oh, we have another donated by Bunny Cop.

517
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:21,680
He says 40k drugs, slot, friends, combat stims and blood of the innocent.

518
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:22,680
Slot is one.

519
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,000
I don't think that last one is a drug.

520
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,560
I think that's just, I think that's just blood.

521
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760
But I knew slot was something.

522
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,280
I knew I wasn't making that up.

523
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,920
Just blood frenzy.

524
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:37,560
But basically the orders like a Knight group that go hunt the beast of Caliban.

525
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,600
And eventually it's sort of correlates where like the lion is a great figure.

526
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:43,800
He's a Primarch.

527
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,600
And with Luther, they kind of unite all the other different order or like different similar

528
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,160
Knightly orders of Caliban into one.

529
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,980
And they eventually managed to kill like the last beast of Caliban.

530
00:25:56,980 --> 00:26:01,080
And then they have to eventually quash the another Knightly group called the Knights

531
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:07,600
of Lupus who have been secretly gathering like beasts because they feel like, ah, what

532
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,600
are we without the beasts?

533
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,600
We're basically nothing.

534
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,800
And so they, you know, I mean, they're basically-

535
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,200
Let's use them to fight.

536
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,440
Yeah, they want to keep their way of life.

537
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,440
I guess.

538
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:21,260
And an interesting point in the lore here is that the lion, they kill all the Knights

539
00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:23,920
of Lupus and they destroy their hold.

540
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:30,560
But the lion doesn't destroy their secret library, which was filled with lore created

541
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,200
by that their grandmaster who's a bit of an insane freak.

542
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:42,920
You know, probably the VTuber Bible is in there and the lion kept it for himself.

543
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,920
And there's also something-

544
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,320
But he was a git because he was a scalper and he bought all the end and the death free

545
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,240
novels and that's why he had to die because his library was full of them and he wouldn't

546
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,240
give them to anyone else.

547
00:26:55,240 --> 00:27:00,280
It's filled with the end of the death and old world boxes that he's not giving to anyone

548
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,280
else.

549
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,120
You can never get a special edition book ever because it's just scalped immediately, absolute

550
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,120
pain.

551
00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:11,640
But there's also a bit of a spicy new news on that front because the Order gets a new

552
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,080
Cypher or a new man to inherit the role of Cypher.

553
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Just a brief rundown because Cypher might get his own episode one day.

554
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:26,560
Cypher is essentially just a role that's inhabited by a man who in the Order abandoned his old

555
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,120
identity and just basically becomes the keeper of the knowledge and remember of the ways

556
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,320
and all the secrets of the Order.

557
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:41,240
He's essentially sort of like Facebook messenger in a way, like WhatsApp groups currently in

558
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,680
the news because they keen to be- if anyone here is watching the news, they're calling

559
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,680
out politicians.

560
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:47,680
Is Cypher Tom from Facebook?

561
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,680
Is that what you're saying?

562
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:54,880
No, he's basically- he's your own words to haunt you when you said something bad in 2007

563
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,480
that cannot be forgotten.

564
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,360
But there's a new Cypher in the Order and everyone's a bit weird, like, oh that's a

565
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:03,880
bit strange.

566
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:11,480
And eventually these Calibanite warrior, monk soldiers, they've sort of won the entire planet's

567
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,320
theirs all under control of the lion.

568
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,200
And that's when the Dark Angels arrive from the heavens and the Emperor of Mankind and

569
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:26,320
they start to recruit and Caliban was inducted into the Imperium and they start to be turned

570
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:32,520
into Astartes and they're all jacked up and they're all getting swole and recruits like

571
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,160
Sahariel who were quite young, they can be turned into Space Marines.

572
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,920
Whereas poor old Luther, his knees and his weak arms are heavy.

573
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,080
He was sweating on his mum's spaghetti.

574
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,080
He was a bit too old.

575
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaking of mum's spaghetti, by the way, we've got two donations.

576
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,360
We've got Lutti McShootie again saying, hashtag slaughter me fallen father.

577
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,600
And we've got Tom Warren for five dollars saying, if blood of the innocent isn't a drug,

578
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,040
then why do the Grey Knights kill for it?

579
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,040
Good questions.

580
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,920
Oh, that's a good reference to the Sisters of Battle.

581
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:06,920
No longer law part, essentially.

582
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:07,920
Thank God that got read.

583
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:08,920
Thank you, Matt Ward.

584
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:09,920
God, that was bad.

585
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:18,000
But essentially, Caliban is now part of the Imperium.

586
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,880
It's starting to be industrialized, like literally parts of the forest that were sacred are just

587
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:27,480
basically being mowed down and a lot of the Calibanites going, this is cool.

588
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,420
We have like lights now, but I can't go on a forest walk.

589
00:29:31,420 --> 00:29:35,920
So it's a bit rubbish, you know, gentrifying it.

590
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,640
Literally gentrifying it, I think, is the term for it.

591
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:47,640
And Luther joins with the lion and Zahariel and a new generation of Calibanite recruits

592
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280
into the Dark Angels, the First Legion.

593
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,920
And they go, hell yeah, brothers, we're going to go fight in the stars and kick some Xenos

594
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,740
filth.

595
00:29:56,740 --> 00:30:00,120
But then their first battle doesn't go very well.

596
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,680
It starts with they go on a planet called the Soroshi.

597
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,240
And everyone's a bit of a keen bean.

598
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,960
And even the lion's been handed over by the white scars.

599
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,400
They've been like, yo, lion, you've got this.

600
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,240
And he just, you know, like, this is bullshit.

601
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,240
We've had enough.

602
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,240
Like, you know, dab me up, fam, I'll take over.

603
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:24,280
Turns out the Soroshi were kind of enslaved by Xenos.

604
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,880
And they basically were like, we're religious the entire time.

605
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,160
We've been faking being nice and secular.

606
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,740
And the lion was like, that's weird.

607
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:35,120
And they were doing lines of chaos.

608
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,120
It's like, do you want to try this?

609
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,040
I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is bad.

610
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:45,160
And then they have they arrived on a ship and the delegation, particularly Luther, it

611
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,840
looks at the ship and he goes, this thing is like not safe because it looks like it's

612
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,760
only made for one journey.

613
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,760
And he looks a bit close and goes, oh, my God, there's a nuclear bomb in the ship.

614
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,920
But good old Luther here.

615
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,920
What's the deal?

616
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:00,920
We're nuclear bombs.

617
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:06,680
You're probably your first instinct would have been just to go, that's bad.

618
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,360
Let's get that out of here.

619
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,200
Luther hesitated because poor old Luther, he's not even quite turned into an Astartes.

620
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,840
Luther is transformed to like a half Astartes.

621
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:24,200
He's not he's a bit of a short king amongst his other Calibanites here.

622
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,400
I mean, here the Corfarron are like the only two I know of who were like, you're too old,

623
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,400
you'll die so we can like give you some organs and like a bit of surgery.

624
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,200
They got like the Botox of Astartes.

625
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:36,520
Oh, that's a shame.

626
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,520
They very much get like a they're like the five foot nine of the six foot.

627
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920
They're the short kings of the Astartes.

628
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,120
They kind of like, we're not talking about Alpharius for once.

629
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,720
They have like proto surgery.

630
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:56,800
So Luther's quite he was a bit too old and he was never a excuse me, like a full Astartes.

631
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:02,120
But we said earlier, Luther was an incredible man and he probably would have been like the

632
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
unifier of Caliban and like the Sigmar.

633
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,760
But he's so overshadowed by the lion and it does breed like a resentment and jealousy.

634
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,520
And so Luther kind of hesitates for a bit and he goes, if I just walk away from this

635
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,080
bomb, it might just take out the lion then like, oh my God, I have to lead the Dark Angel.

636
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,080
That's crazy, right, Rothers?

637
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,880
I mean, that'd be wild.

638
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:23,880
But then he does.

639
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:30,720
He does come to his senses and even poor old Zahariel finds the bomb as well.

640
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,200
And they both Luther comes back and he goes like, let's just get it out of here.

641
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,800
They do it a little bit late and so they take a little bit of damage.

642
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:43,020
A few Dark Angels do die and the lion is like, how was that even possible?

643
00:32:43,020 --> 00:32:48,240
They race down to the planet of Sauroshri and they find this like massive kind of like

644
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:49,920
a hive mind, Xenos.

645
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,720
Again another example of sorry Colin, Xenos that was cool and then they never talked about

646
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,880
it again because GW doesn't like Xenos.

647
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:58,880
I accept it.

648
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,120
It is what it is.

649
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,720
The lion uses Zahariel who's a librarian to help like kill this thing.

650
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,600
And then immediately after the battle is won, the lion is looking at Luther and Zahariel

651
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,320
and he's going like, I don't trust you guys anymore.

652
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,240
And there's a big divide here where Luther, Zahariel and many of the Calibanites get sent

653
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,680
back to Caliban to basically be in charge of recruitment.

654
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,440
I think I might have a good parallel for people who aren't entirely sure.

655
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Like you know in Halo 2, there's the bit where the Master Chief like shoves the bomb out

656
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,140
of space and he drops it onto a Covenant ship.

657
00:33:39,140 --> 00:33:44,120
So it's like imagine if Master Chief was like, oh but Sergeant Johnson's on this ship and

658
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,480
he's way cooler than me.

659
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,600
So I kind of want him to die.

660
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,880
And when he drops to New Mombasa, he also steals his sniper rifle and he goes, I thought

661
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:52,880
we were friends.

662
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,760
Like that's the caliber of betrayal we're talking about.

663
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,760
There you go.

664
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,920
It was, yeah so the artist formerly known as-

665
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,960
I know Colin, mate.

666
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,600
The artist formerly known as Luther is basically banished from the lion's side.

667
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,000
The lion doesn't take it very well because he's like, he basically says like, I just

668
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,240
can't risk that ever happening again even though you did the right thing in the end.

669
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:18,920
And even some of the Terrans are sort of shoved away.

670
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Basically the ones who are not in the lion's favour.

671
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:29,840
And yeah, Zahariel, there's also another figure called Astelan who was a Terran born Astartes

672
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,680
of the Dark Angels and he's one of the earliest Astartes ever made and he remembers fighting

673
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,760
beside the Emperor during the Invocation Wars.

674
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,640
And so now on Caliban, Luther's returned to it, Zahariel, Astelan is there.

675
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,920
And there's basic, like Caliban's been gutted, it's kind of-

676
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,720
The Mechanic has got their dirty mitts into the soil and cut all the trees out of it.

677
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,720
Yeah, nothing's quite the same.

678
00:34:55,720 --> 00:34:57,800
The forest's almost gone.

679
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,800
It's not doing great.

680
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,800
That's great, you can go to hell.

681
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,760
Yeah, it's been ruined essentially.

682
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:09,680
Did you know how many Dark Angels Astartes were exiled originally?

683
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,680
I don't actually remember the number.

684
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:13,680
Let's see, 5,000?

685
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,680
So not that many to be fair.

686
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:15,680
Way off.

687
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,960
I don't know why I had 5,000 in my head.

688
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,080
But to be fair, they're then in charge of recruitment.

689
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,320
So they go, right, we're going to make the recruits, but we're also going to be like,

690
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,320
ah, the lion's a bit of shit.

691
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,320
You're like, oh, that's sneaky.

692
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,620
Yeah, well, that's what I was just about to say.

693
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:35,520
So they returned to Caliban and essentially recruitment just goes into overdrive because

694
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,240
it's kind of all that Luther can really do.

695
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:44,520
And a lot of the various members of the Dark Angels who kind of fall out of favour with

696
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,680
the lion over the great crusade, they get shoved off back to Caliban to basically be

697
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,920
instructors.

698
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:57,920
And as the decades begin to pass, like basically in secret here, and to their much of Caliban

699
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:04,440
shame, a rebellion forms in Caliban itself from the human workers.

700
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,520
And they find out it's actually orchestrated by a lot of the older members of the previous

701
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:16,320
order that were once companions of the lion, but men who were too old or too injured to

702
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,760
be turned into Astartes or even like Luther.

703
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:28,160
And there's a big cold war that starts between these two factions, whereas the actual quote

704
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,040
unquote Dark Angels are quite, the ones who are there are quite resentful of being there,

705
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,120
but then also like we're not betraying the Imperium just yet.

706
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,800
And then they find out this isn't just a normal rebellion.

707
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Turns out one of their elements actually has a little bit of chaos taint, a little bit

708
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:48,640
of spice thrown on that.

709
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:54,580
And it turns out they've just restarted the production of Calibanite beasts again.

710
00:36:54,580 --> 00:36:59,820
And they're like, oh shit, that's not what we want to happen because they know what happens

711
00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:03,360
to planets that have this sort of taint.

712
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,600
They've heard rumors and they know things.

713
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,960
So basically they go, if the Imperium finds out about this, they're going to like blow

714
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,560
us from orbit.

715
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,720
I feel like it's worth mentioning as well, like Caliban uniquely has like a weird primordial

716
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:19,560
chaos thing going on.

717
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840
It's like very, it's very bones.

718
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,080
It's like you've got the Watches in the Dark, you've got the beasts.

719
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:30,160
The beasts aren't just like big monsters, they're like chaos infused, like manipulated

720
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,160
and mutated.

721
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:37,280
So like I know there's theories about like because the lion is the first Primarch, chaos

722
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,480
made like a weave of like, we're going to put him in like this really dangerous world,

723
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,720
fall to the hilt with chaos to try and turn him.

724
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:50,400
But it's just like no, his angry boy energy is so high, he's just going to kill all the

725
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,400
beasts.

726
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:56,800
Oh, that didn't go very well, but it's kind of like even though they decimate the beasts,

727
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,280
there's a few that survive and then because they're not being culled as much, they start

728
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,840
to resurge and then they find these little nooks in the planet that have little weird

729
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,320
wells of chaos energy and all these tones from the Knights of Lupus.

730
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,720
It's all like under the surface just boiling, just simmering like a pot of stew.

731
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:13,720
It's like, hmm, smell that?

732
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:14,720
It's a little bit of chaos.

733
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:15,720
Do you want to try a bit?

734
00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:16,720
Smells like ass in chaos.

735
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,720
Try a bit of chaos.

736
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:18,720
It's good.

737
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:19,720
It's yummy.

738
00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:20,720
It's good for you.

739
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,720
Does anyone want to explain, perhaps Colin, what the watch is in the dark of just like

740
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,720
very briefly, just so there's some context there.

741
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:32,960
I would say, yeah, they look like little Jawas because they've got, you know, you don't see

742
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,280
their bodies ever.

743
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,200
They're just wearing these like cloaks with the hoods over them.

744
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,560
They're weird.

745
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,200
They're not from the warp.

746
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,280
They're like these extra dimensional beings that aren't from the warp.

747
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:52,840
And in fact, if I remember correctly, like I think the changeling, the zin shiman came

748
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,160
across one and he was horrified of a little guy.

749
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,960
So there are these weird extra dimensional beings aligned against chaos that seem to

750
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:10,320
have a particular attachment to the dark angels and the lion in particular.

751
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,080
So they are apparently disgusting to chaos, which I just love.

752
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,760
I still love that part.

753
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,480
The poor, I know changing is like the closest thing he ever feels to fear when he's near

754
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:22,480
her.

755
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,920
I think it's like a literal moment where like it like snaps his head around and looks at

756
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,920
him.

757
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,120
He goes like, oh, fuck, you know, he like pisses himself.

758
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,120
Yeah.

759
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,120
And it's like, I just love the, I'm sorry.

760
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,080
Oh, I was just saying like, which is neat because it's the only other time they really seem

761
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:43,040
to demons do that in 40 K is when some with the emperor is involved.

762
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,880
I just love the dread and on videos where it's him as the lines, it's like the ultra

763
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,240
Marines or so, not the offerings, but like the, the administrator, I would say to do

764
00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:54,840
the tax collection and just like, ah, my little ones.

765
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:59,280
Oh, we're going to just pretend we're not spending all this money and get an extra hour

766
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,280
in the ball pit.

767
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,280
Yeah.

768
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,920
I love those videos.

769
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:11,360
We love dread, but essentially there's like a, there's a little bit of a spicy chaos curry

770
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:17,640
in the mix here on Caliban and as they're trying to deal with it very much Luther and

771
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,840
Zahariel and Aslan surprise, a lot of the caliber night native people, a lot of Terrans

772
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,080
have been imported and given like new residents there.

773
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:35,280
A lot of the native carbonites are kind of mistreated in a way they're not looked after

774
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,500
and they're basically oppressed.

775
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:38,500
And then at the same time,

776
00:40:38,500 --> 00:40:44,760
I'm in the Imperium mistreats the people in the Imperium that no say it ain't so.

777
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,320
Sounds like propaganda to me.

778
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,320
I don't know.

779
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:48,680
It's kind of their thing.

780
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:58,440
And then also at the same time, um, I think, uh, Luther himself, Luther stumbles upon something

781
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,520
a little bit spicy, which is he discovers the, Oh, I think I'm having an error slightly

782
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,520
with it on its backs.

783
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:11,680
It's all good, uh, slight error there with the, uh, uh, Riverside there boys.

784
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,680
Give me a second.

785
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,680
Spicy.

786
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:22,600
I mean, well, basically Luther essentially, um, in couple Luther finds like the library

787
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,440
that the lion didn't want, you know, this is like the law.

788
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:31,200
He didn't want him to know about and Luther finds the old books of the Knights of lupus

789
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:38,240
and he starts to read it and he sort of comes to realisation about this thing called chaos.

790
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,720
He's like, ah, chaos is a real thing.

791
00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:43,240
That's scary.

792
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:45,160
And we kind of have to deal with that.

793
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:50,800
Then also the lion must've known about this cause he's been keeping this library hidden.

794
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,360
That's bad.

795
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:59,400
And they sort of, he's not quite corrupted, but Luther's learned something bad and they

796
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,480
eventually do deal with these, this like chaos rebellion and might measure do it before,

797
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:10,040
like even some of the Terran elements of the, uh, legion are like, you know, maybe we should

798
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,160
say something and this is like, no, that's bad.

799
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,160
Please don't.

800
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,720
Um, and then eventually they do measure squash this thing.

801
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:24,880
And at the same time, Zahariel who's a librarian finds out that some of his own memories have

802
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:30,760
been altered by some of the Terran elements that are still on Caliban of the Legion.

803
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:37,440
He feels like betrayed by his friend and it sort of least was scuffle and is basically

804
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,040
where the rebellion like it's in the open now.

805
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,360
Like it kind of starts and they go like, well, we've betrayed the Imperium now cause we just

806
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,760
attacked our own legionaries and it's going to go bad.

807
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,760
Yeah.

808
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,680
And there's like elements of like the, the Lord Cypher at the time isn't really kosher

809
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,200
with what the Luther is doing.

810
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Uh, there's like a bit where the death guard, when the Horus heresy is breaking out, they're

811
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,320
like the, the, the dark angel stationed on Caliban are like, we don't really know what's

812
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:06,600
going on.

813
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,120
So we're just going to stay put until we hear otherwise.

814
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,000
And there's a bit like Typhus and the death guard are like, Hey guys, we, I like Typhus

815
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,000
goes to Lutherans.

816
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,720
Like we had like a good relationship in the past, even though he's like smells really

817
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:18,720
bad now.

818
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,120
It's like, yeah, so I remember you Typhus.

819
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:21,800
You are like fairly honorable.

820
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,800
Okay.

821
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,720
And he hides you away from like our dark angels, brothers, led by, I think it's course Wayne

822
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,000
who's hunting them down.

823
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,960
It's like death guard.

824
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,800
We haven't seen any death guard.

825
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,800
No death guard here.

826
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,800
Definitely not.

827
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,800
That smell, I promise you, cat died.

828
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:38,800
It's not.

829
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,520
And I think there's like a scouting party that gets intercepted by the space wolves

830
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,880
at one point in wolf Spain, maybe possibly the Rune.

831
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,400
I think the Rune priest captures one of them and he's like, Oh, I'm loyal to Luther.

832
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,080
I was like, Oh, the little dark angel.

833
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,640
He's not, he's not talking about the lion.

834
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,640
That's weird.

835
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Who is Luther?

836
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:59,640
I don't know who Luther is.

837
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:00,640
Look at my teeth.

838
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,640
I'm a space wolf.

839
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Yeah.

840
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:07,680
And they're just talking aggressively and they're, they're, they're champion virtue

841
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,360
is Caliban first.

842
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,720
We're going to put ourselves in front of the Imperium.

843
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:15,600
Our independence is more important.

844
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,120
If the Imperium can't sort out its own civil wars, nothing to do with us.

845
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,840
It's kind of their, their modus operandi.

846
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,440
So I think one of the slogans does come close to make Caliban great again, but I don't know

847
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:33,880
if I can confirm or not, but essentially it like the, there's like a triarchy of Astellan

848
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,560
Luther and Zahariel, even though Luther's not an Astartes, they all kind of respect

849
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,840
him and Luther's quite well.

850
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,240
Like he's a great orator where the lion was just not.

851
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:50,880
And like, as, as Andrew just said, they've kind of now made it an Oakland declaration.

852
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:56,620
They're no longer picking any one side other than Caliban and the recruitment at this time,

853
00:44:56,620 --> 00:44:58,840
they start to change it a little bit.

854
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:05,040
So they've been recruiting Astartes for decades at this point, but they start to change the

855
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:06,720
indoctrination slightly different.

856
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:10,840
Like, you know, you are loyal, not to the Imperium, but to Caliban and to, you know,

857
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:16,200
to by Luther's, you know, they sort of slowly indoctrinate those space Marines, which is

858
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,600
in their thousands.

859
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,920
And Luther himself is sort of important to mention.

860
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Luther is reading more of these books and he slowly is getting a little bit tainted.

861
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,400
He doesn't really know that he's kind of just feels like he's just getting more powerful.

862
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:40,960
And as Andy said earlier, beneath Caliban, Zahariel finds this creature slash spirit

863
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,880
called the Ouroboros, which is essentially the, it's like a world spirit of Caliban,

864
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:51,000
which they believe from the dark engines from Caliban.

865
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:55,220
They believe like it's the spirit of the world, like Caliban itself, the one the lion has

866
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:58,480
tried to destroy and get rid of.

867
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,280
Whereas in fact, it's actually just a chaos entity and they don't really know that.

868
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,320
They never really find out.

869
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,840
But that is this Ouroboros, they met like some of them started to like tap into that

870
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:09,840
power as well.

871
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,400
So there's another kind of layer of corruption.

872
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:19,160
And then as the heresy is kind of getting close to its end, chapter master Belath arrives

873
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,520
and he's like, I'm here to get the recruits brothers because we've taken a beating during

874
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,560
this heresy.

875
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:34,960
And essentially this is like, there's like a Caliban red wedding where they bring out

876
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,040
this contingent who, you know, like Luther says, come down, let's have a feast and then

877
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,480
celebrate, you know, all these recruits going off into the stars.

878
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:49,840
And they slowly start to assess like through like psychic means and through speeches, like

879
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,960
who would be more loyal to Caliban?

880
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Who's more loyal to the lion?

881
00:46:53,520 --> 00:47:00,600
And they place like, you know, silver goblet for the lion, gold goblet for Luther.

882
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:05,860
And so they put this very meticulous plan to like suss who they have to kill.

883
00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:08,840
And then something just immediately goes wrong.

884
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,560
And then basically all the cobblets get thrown in the air.

885
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,080
Yeah, yeah, there's an argument.

886
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,400
And then like the table gets pushed over and they all fall on the floor.

887
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,520
It's like, oh no, oh, this is annoying.

888
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,480
Oh no, oh no.

889
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,720
I just, you know, I don't know what Luther's not Australian, but he's like, oh no, he's

890
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,560
dropped my goblet bite.

891
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:27,560
Or might.

892
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,120
And although that was more South African, I see the night I've got my goblet.

893
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,360
He in Caribbean with city Africa.

894
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,520
No, but essentially this red wedding goes poorly.

895
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,920
And it basically ends in a brawl where let's say the right people get marked and Luther

896
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,280
emerges victorious.

897
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,800
And essentially it's a full on open thing where they just say, Caliban, you know, make

898
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Caliban great again.

899
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:54,040
It's here.

900
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,040
We're Caliban.

901
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,160
We're independent of the Imperium.

902
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:58,160
Caliban for Calibanites.

903
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Yeah.

904
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:05,120
So literally that's what they say because they've been a whole beef of theirs throughout

905
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,320
this story.

906
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,000
And they kind of don't choose a side.

907
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,640
They don't choose Horus or the Imperium.

908
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,640
They want to be like an in-between.

909
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,840
Obviously they just want to see who wins.

910
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,120
They're like, whoever wins ensures that Caliban survives.

911
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,440
So we don't care.

912
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:25,280
And also at this time, should we mentioned the cipher who's still on Caliban?

913
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:32,760
They find out like he's actually just, he was like a knight of lupus and the lion made

914
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,840
him the last cipher in a way, just to sort of have eyes and ears on Caliban.

915
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Obviously you couldn't reach him.

916
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:43,080
I think it was like, I can ensure if there's only one left, he's not going to go back to

917
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,920
his order because they're all dead.

918
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,400
He's quite old, I believe.

919
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:48,400
Oh no.

920
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:54,720
Is it, there's an old man who's cipher when the lion first starts to raise the order as

921
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,160
Astartes.

922
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,960
He dies a few years after the great crusade starts.

923
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,360
Then he appoints this guy as the current cipher.

924
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,560
And then he's like his little like, I'm going to put you on Caliban just to make sure that

925
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,640
things are running smoothly because I know I'm sending a bunch of resentful Astartes

926
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,680
here and I need you to keep an eye on them.

927
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,120
And he hasn't got any other loyalties because all of his friends are dead.

928
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,360
Like nice one lion, politics.

929
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,360
Yeah.

930
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:28,520
Well that cipher basically gets killed by Zahariel and Zahariel essentially becomes the new cipher.

931
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,000
And you know, big, you know, big up for Zahariel because that's a pretty big role.

932
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,560
But as in even currently, as we mentioned this in lore, Zahariel is the current cipher

933
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,960
during the siege of Terra, which he is currently fighting upon.

934
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,800
So the four of them actually make like an appearance.

935
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:50,120
They've like infiltrated some of the dark angels who've made it to Terra and they slightly

936
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,120
pick a side in which they don't want chaos to win, but then they're kind of betraying

937
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,120
their brothers.

938
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,120
Yeah.

939
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,840
There's a weird thing where like, I'll mention one of the characters later, Visago, where

940
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:07,080
he gets killed by his own brothers because it's like, we want to do the right thing,

941
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,400
but a lot of them are like, oh, we could use this chaos soup to make us strong.

942
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,080
We could use it against the enemy.

943
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,280
And it's like, no, that's not how chaos works.

944
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,520
This is like Anakin Skywalker all over again.

945
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,520
You can't do that.

946
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,520
That's naughty.

947
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,520
Stop it.

948
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,240
Oh, I got a dono from Crimson Glory.

949
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:30,120
It says, happy old, but my boys, the Kakarodons in Estir last week.

950
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:31,120
Love you all.

951
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,120
And for the lion.

952
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,120
Also, there are too many.

953
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,640
I can't read that wrong.

954
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,920
Also there are too many, any Crimson chapters.

955
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,520
I was a little ashamed of my name.

956
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:43,520
There's a couple.

957
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,520
There's a couple of Crimson stuff.

958
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,040
Luckily, there are no Crimson Fists, so like the poster boys are there.

959
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:50,040
Thanks Crimson.

960
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,560
So basically, Caliban has seceded, Luthor's in charge.

961
00:50:54,560 --> 00:51:00,320
And again, he has basically, I think it says he has 30,000 space marines who are loyal

962
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,920
to Caliban on his side.

963
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,560
And some of these are filled with veterans of the great crusade who have been sent there

964
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:07,920
by the lion.

965
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:13,000
And some are just essentially Astartes who have never even seen a battle.

966
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,120
And it's worth remembering that a lot of these, like the majority of these guys have never

967
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,120
even met the lion.

968
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,000
They're like, all they've been told is, oh, he's this dick and he's annoying.

969
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,080
And it's like, that's their only experience of their primal.

970
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:28,960
Like, yeah, oh, he swears and he calls people names and he doesn't tip white staff.

971
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:29,960
He's terrible.

972
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,560
And like Luthor is just filling them with all this resentment and stuff.

973
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,720
They've never even met the guy.

974
00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:36,720
This is fake news.

975
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:42,440
The lion's a perfectly swell guy with no personality deficiencies at all.

976
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,480
The lion will open the yoghurt and not lick the lid.

977
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,880
The absolute heresy of that.

978
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:50,880
Just it's unbearable.

979
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:51,880
But essentially, yeah.

980
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:52,880
Don't say it like that.

981
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,880
Yoghurt.

982
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:54,880
Yoghurt.

983
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,880
A bottle of water.

984
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:56,880
A bottle of water.

985
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:06,600
It reminds me like, have you ever seen comments, like when people write in British language,

986
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,600
you fart in what?

987
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:08,600
I love that so much.

988
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:09,600
Yeah.

989
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,520
I know people have a go in my H's when I say stuff in my comments.

990
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:14,520
It's just my accent.

991
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Deal with it.

992
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:16,520
But essentially...

993
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,520
I need an E.I. Berg as soon as he can.

994
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,680
Two against one.

995
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,560
But yeah, basically the fallen, they don't really call themselves a fallen, but they

996
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,600
are essentially at the seat of terror.

997
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,320
They make an appearance.

998
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,080
And after this, Horus fails.

999
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,240
It all goes wrong.

1000
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:38,520
And so the lion is coming to return home.

1001
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,120
So at this point, the lion doesn't know about the betrayal.

1002
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:42,440
So I guess he doesn't really talk to Corse way.

1003
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,400
And he's already having a really bad time.

1004
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:50,040
It's like the emperor has been wounded and you were too late to do anything about it.

1005
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,360
And he's very cross about that.

1006
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:55,080
Basically a big, you know, lion is taking a big L everywhere.

1007
00:52:55,080 --> 00:53:00,440
And he's about to take an even bigger one because as soon as he returns to Caliban,

1008
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:06,080
the Dark Angels, you know, the absolutely ravaged Dark Angels fleet is fired upon by

1009
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,640
their own world.

1010
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,560
And the battle of Caliban essentially begins.

1011
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,560
A lot of the fallen, they don't really know that.

1012
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,680
Like they get told like, oh, the lion's firing on us first.

1013
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:21,720
And a lot of them believe Luther's lies.

1014
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:24,320
Luther and the lion themselves duel upon Caliban.

1015
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:30,240
This is even like a really crazy, like horrific part where like some of the fallen talk about

1016
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,760
how they remember the lion like landing and he just starts carving through their brothers.

1017
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,600
And some of these are like, they've never even fought before.

1018
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,720
And this is the first time they see their Primarch and he's just like killing them.

1019
00:53:41,720 --> 00:53:45,800
So it's pretty horrible in that sense.

1020
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,400
Luther and the lion duel.

1021
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:56,760
Luther gets the Glock 3000 of chaos and he is souped up to basically to be able to, I

1022
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:07,680
think, the lion wins first, then they have a break and then Luther manages to beat him.

1023
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,840
They have like a duel and then they go time and they have like some sandwiches and some

1024
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,520
finger food, a cup of coffee and they're like, are you ready?

1025
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:16,520
I'm ready.

1026
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,640
You got something in your hair.

1027
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:24,120
Basically, the lion can't bring himself to kill Luther because Luther looks bad.

1028
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:25,680
He looks ill.

1029
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:27,280
And eventually they fight again.

1030
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Luther actually manages to beat him.

1031
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,680
And then it's his turn to basically falter.

1032
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,120
And essentially the power of the Ouroboros, particularly underneath and even with like

1033
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,840
chaos, it basically erupts underneath the planet and Caliban just breaks.

1034
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:48,960
And actually a plot that comes out later, which is the fallen themselves, they are scattered

1035
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,440
throughout space and time.

1036
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:54,400
Although really funny enough, that's from like a future event with Asriel.

1037
00:54:54,400 --> 00:55:01,600
Which is like, that's just very annoying, but it's like a timey, timey wimey thing.

1038
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:06,400
I would say like the main thing to remember with the timeline at this point from chaos's

1039
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,880
perspective, the golden boy Horus is like, he doesn't exist anymore.

1040
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,120
He got like super deaded.

1041
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,160
All the traitors are retreating.

1042
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,400
So they're like ace in the hole.

1043
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,760
Their little like backup plan is we've got this planet.

1044
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,480
It's pretty full to the brim with chaos.

1045
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,080
We've got a bunch of Vastarhides already being a bit betrayed.

1046
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,640
And Luther is going to be our new champion.

1047
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,960
So we're going to soup him up.

1048
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,720
We're going to give him that good old chaos enema of superpowers or whatever they do to

1049
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:39,360
make him super strong and combat the lion.

1050
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:40,560
I don't know the process.

1051
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:42,040
I'm just assuming.

1052
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:47,640
And so it's like, he's strong enough to fight a Trimarch, even though he's like an old man.

1053
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:53,680
And then for them to lose this like advantage is not good.

1054
00:55:53,680 --> 00:56:00,120
So when the duel happens and Luther is like, actually chaos is cringe.

1055
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,120
You know that, is it the German guy?

1056
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,520
He's like an old meme where he smashes his keyboard on the table.

1057
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:06,520
That's basically chaos.

1058
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,720
Like, there you had one job and it's like, this was the one thing we had left.

1059
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:12,720
And like that's chaos.

1060
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,720
And now they're stuck with Abaddon.

1061
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:15,720
Yeah.

1062
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,160
Felbadan, the war master.

1063
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,160
Sorry, thanks.

1064
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:26,000
Sorry, it's that man of terror, but essentially Caliban is in pieces.

1065
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,120
I mean, it's like shattering a mirror.

1066
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,400
That thing is never getting back together.

1067
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,320
So the fallen themselves, they are scattered throughout space and time.

1068
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,960
They are essentially just missing.

1069
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,000
And then the Dark Angels as well.

1070
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,160
They kind of just, the surviving Dark Angels are then broken up into chapters, kind of

1071
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,400
think they just gone.

1072
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:55,600
And Luther himself as a member of the fallen is, he post battle of Caliban, he is taken

1073
00:56:55,600 --> 00:57:01,600
hold of by the Dark Angels and he is hidden deep within the rock, which is like the last

1074
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:07,840
surviving piece of Caliban, which is where the chapter sort of still resides.

1075
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:15,320
And although in recent lore, he was recently broken out, which is, could be good.

1076
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:21,120
But it's been sort of, depending on if he's sentient enough, there's some interesting

1077
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:28,400
lore about how over millennia he's been somewhat lucid and then chapter masters have been interrogating

1078
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:33,160
him and he's like, every time he blinks, he sees a new chapter master because his mind

1079
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:34,160
is so broken.

1080
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,840
I think I missed it because for a moment I thought you were talking about when the lion

1081
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:39,840
get out.

1082
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,840
What do you mean he broke out?

1083
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,440
I think that's a pure good thing.

1084
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,240
He woke up and kicked the hell out of anger on.

1085
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:47,520
I think that's only good.

1086
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:55,040
We'll get to that in a second, but then there's also the mysterious figure named Cypher, who

1087
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,720
for millennia has been plaguing the Imperium.

1088
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:03,240
He carries the lion's sword on his back and he seemingly either fights with or against

1089
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,240
chaos.

1090
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:09,840
So there may be some hidden clues of like he, his true allegiance is Caliban or in a

1091
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,360
way like Caliban spirit.

1092
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:16,880
We're not really sure is again, Cypher is one of those great missions of Warhammer where

1093
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,600
it'll be like a good, but also a sad day when it's kind of over.

1094
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,720
I don't know how you guys feel about that.

1095
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,600
As soon as he's like, he is this, he's irrelevant.

1096
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,360
Like the whole, his whole attribute is being mysterious.

1097
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:34,120
And I know there are people like maybe he's Zahariel, maybe he's Corswain, maybe he's

1098
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,120
Omega.

1099
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:40,600
Ooh, there's all sorts of theories, but it's like, as soon as we know for sure, he's no

1100
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:41,600
longer a character.

1101
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,120
He's just like, Oh, I am Greg the Astartes.

1102
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,680
Like, Oh, I didn't care anymore.

1103
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,160
That was your one thing.

1104
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:54,120
Contact Kinetic says I was there when Hal showed Nip and I promised you that's not happening.

1105
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:55,120
I'm not like Eli.

1106
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,120
I don't get donoed into like eating an egg.

1107
00:58:58,120 --> 00:58:59,800
Just quantify listeners don't like that.

1108
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,800
I will not be donoed into Nip.

1109
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:02,800
Okay.

1110
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:03,800
Because it's not happening.

1111
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:04,800
No Nip, no egg.

1112
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,000
Do you know, we should probably do a Hot Ones episode.

1113
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,560
I know I'm not doing that again.

1114
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,640
I did that for my own.

1115
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:13,840
I'm not doing that again.

1116
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:14,840
Fuck you.

1117
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,440
You did that for 40k, didn't you?

1118
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:24,400
It was, no, I think it was 50k and it came out of like 60k because I was very late.

1119
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:25,760
Think about the views on that one.

1120
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,320
If we all did a Hot Ones Warhammer quiz.

1121
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:29,960
I know I did it.

1122
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,280
No, I'm not going back.

1123
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,280
I'm not going back.

1124
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,840
How about this, how about this, Colin, you can, you can host it and we'll be the pawns.

1125
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:36,840
There we go.

1126
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,280
We'll be the ones who taste it.

1127
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,280
We'll, we'll the ones who will get the burning ring after.

1128
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:44,280
I threw up twice doing that.

1129
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:45,280
I'm done.

1130
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,280
I did my time.

1131
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,280
Fair enough.

1132
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:51,640
Basically, Cypher is a great sort of mystery, like mystery of Warhammer.

1133
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:57,480
It's kind of like the hit, like the Missing in Primark, kind of like desperate to know

1134
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,240
in a way we don't want to know.

1135
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:05,680
But as for the Fallen, unfortunately for the Dark Angels, they start to nickname themselves

1136
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,400
the unforgiven because some of the Fallen begin to emerge over time.

1137
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:17,200
And it's a great shame for the Dark Angels because of the huge contingent of, as Colin

1138
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,680
said at the beginning, huge contingent of their Legion, which is basically trait, they

1139
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,040
believe to be traitorous or is traitorous.

1140
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:30,640
Although there is one Dark Angel successor that like, I don't have anything to repent

1141
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:31,640
for that's cringe.

1142
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:33,600
And they're the only ones who like, we're not unforgiven.

1143
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:34,600
We're like proper Dark Angels.

1144
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:36,240
I'm like, all right, guys, calm down.

1145
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,240
Like, come on.

1146
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:38,240
You can't be the Dark Angels.

1147
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,240
Yeah, they're over the gil.

1148
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,600
The other one.

1149
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,800
And this is where we get to the interesting part.

1150
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:49,920
Some of the Fallen, they, just because of the way they've been scattered and sent out

1151
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,860
across space and time, some of them do fall to chaos.

1152
01:00:53,860 --> 01:00:58,520
They get either manipulated or just being on the run in general from the Imperium, you

1153
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,000
kind of just fall into those ways.

1154
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,000
Or some of them are tempted.

1155
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:05,080
There's even one such as Marbas, who's a demon prince.

1156
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:09,000
He actually is the one who helped break Luther out of.

1157
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,960
He's the only demon prince or the only demonly ascended Dark Angel.

1158
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,400
Yeah, he's a Fallen as well, which is kind of neat.

1159
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:24,120
And many of them actually just live and sort of hide and have small lives like nomads essentially.

1160
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:29,720
And they hide amongst civilizations, pockets of humanity, and they age.

1161
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,960
Some of them just basically give up war altogether.

1162
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,280
Some of them just discard.

1163
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,400
They are Astartes and they were bred for war, but some of them just basically put down their

1164
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,280
weapons and they go live lives of peace.

1165
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:46,280
Yeah, that opening scene of Inglorious Bastards where the guy turns up and he's just on a

1166
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:50,040
farm, but he's like eight foot tall and he's jacked.

1167
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,280
But we visit the Dark Angel.

1168
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:57,760
We got a donation from BunnyCop $5 saying, the custodies die their head to distinguish

1169
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,680
themselves from the new bloods made after the heresy.

1170
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:01,680
That's my theory.

1171
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,960
Also, Silver Toxism or our we had a rant while you were away going, why is it that some of

1172
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:10,360
them seem to age and the law says they don't age?

1173
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:11,360
It doesn't.

1174
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,560
It doesn't make sense.

1175
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:16,200
I think it's not 100% true.

1176
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:24,520
There's just the theory that the Astartes of the heresy and Great Crusade era, the gene

1177
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:30,080
seed was in a way fresher and much more potent.

1178
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,960
They could probably live a lot longer.

1179
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:37,280
Where modern, a lot of the first born quote unquote space brains in the 40th millennium,

1180
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:43,240
not primaris, they were essentially made with gene seed that was a copy of a copy of a copy

1181
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:44,240
of a copy.

1182
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,240
Yeah.

1183
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,920
It's like how Imperial Fists can't spit acid anymore.

1184
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,960
I was like, that sucks.

1185
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:48,960
That's really cool.

1186
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:54,880
Yeah, basically the genes, no matter what you do, the genes over time just wasn't like

1187
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,880
anything.

1188
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,600
It just was prone to just degradation over time.

1189
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:05,400
Some of it could also just be no solid answer because most space Marines kick the bucket

1190
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:08,480
before you get a chance to see how old they can get.

1191
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:11,960
Just because the space Marines, they're always in the fiercest of battles.

1192
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,080
It's like, well, you're probably not going to reach like a thousand, however old you

1193
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,640
can be because you are on the front line at every possible moment.

1194
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,840
But my theory with the custodians particularly is that they age because they have to stand

1195
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,320
still for like several years at a time.

1196
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,040
The companions have to stay still for like 50 years doing nothing.

1197
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:37,000
It's like, well, you might as well change your hair follicle color, do something with

1198
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,000
your time.

1199
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:39,000
I don't know.

1200
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,000
Yeah, spice it up.

1201
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:41,000
Boring as hell.

1202
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,000
Paint your nails.

1203
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,000
Kill a heretic or two.

1204
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,000
It's okay.

1205
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Nothing better to do.

1206
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,000
It's okay.

1207
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:52,240
But a lot of the fallen, this is the kind of, they are, it's why they're such a secret

1208
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:56,800
and like the lower tier of this, like the deepest level of this knowledge is that they

1209
01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:03,840
are just a hidden, almost in plain sight, great shame of the dark angels chapter that

1210
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:09,400
for millennia, they, only those in the inner circle in the highest levels know them and

1211
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:10,560
they are hunted.

1212
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:16,200
Even the fallen who seemingly don't know what happened even like on Caliban, they are hunted

1213
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:23,000
down and they're basically tortured until they quote unquote confess to their sins and

1214
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,760
then they are given death.

1215
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,720
Because I suppose there's the interesting thing about the fallen.

1216
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,760
Some of them are like proper, they're in the weeds, they're doing chaos.

1217
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:33,200
Others are like, oh, I'm a renegade.

1218
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,760
I don't believe in the lion.

1219
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:36,200
Some of them didn't even know the guy.

1220
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:41,680
And they're just like, I'm just trying, like, I was, I was, I was a guy, I was a farmer

1221
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,720
and then I became an Astartes and then the lion blew up my planet.

1222
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:46,440
I don't know what's going on.

1223
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,800
Why are you torturing me?

1224
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,280
Like that's kind of the scale of the fallen.

1225
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,280
Or some of them, I think.

1226
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:59,960
Some of them even like Asteland, he's actually captured by the dark angels and his confession

1227
01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:04,400
slash interrogation basically shows like he just straight up hates the lion because he

1228
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,840
thought the lion had betrayed the emperor.

1229
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,920
Well, do you know the thing about he's the one who ordered that Caliban's defenses shot

1230
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,280
on their fleet?

1231
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,280
He's the guy who's responsible for them shooting the lion's fleet.

1232
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,760
Oh, Asteland, you naughty boy.

1233
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:26,240
This is the guy who was, this was the guy who was there during the great crusade.

1234
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,880
So he was a dark angel long before the lion ever was.

1235
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,560
So this guy is, I think even he has like braids, I think, in his hair.

1236
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:36,880
He looks nothing like the rest of them.

1237
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:40,960
He's like Holguin where they're like, we went through like the, not the unification, but

1238
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,640
like after unification before this whippersnapper was in charge of our Legion.

1239
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:47,800
I don't like these guys.

1240
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:53,040
But Holguin's like a badass because like I'm the first commander of the deaf wing.

1241
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,920
Yep, I'm the war crimes division.

1242
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,200
Yeah.

1243
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,400
But as we approach this sort of zenith where like most of, I wouldn't say most of, but

1244
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,600
like quite a few, it's very rare for the dark angels even find a fallen.

1245
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:12,720
I think some interrogative chaplains, the most one, I think the one who got the most

1246
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:17,720
ever fallen, I think had got like three or four in his lifetime, he managed to get them

1247
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,480
like to catch them and then confess.

1248
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:25,300
So the dark angels like seemingly have not found that many fallen.

1249
01:06:25,300 --> 01:06:29,360
But the ones they have found have, as Colin even said at the beginning, they will leave

1250
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:36,360
entire sectors to die because they're like, we need to go find, hunt this rumor that this

1251
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,360
dark angel that's wearing black armor and has red iconography is somewhere there.

1252
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,200
So they will run for that.

1253
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:49,480
But now we sort of approach the 41st millennium and as we said earlier, the lion returns to

1254
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:50,480
40k.

1255
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:51,480
Yeah, baby.

1256
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:53,000
The lion is back, baby.

1257
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,000
He is old.

1258
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,560
He's got the receding hairline like all of us here, but a little bit more advanced and

1259
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,280
you know, big forehead game.

1260
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,280
Love it.

1261
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,960
And the lion returns the setting.

1262
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:08,200
He awakens in this dark forest part.

1263
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,120
Again, I can't really go too much detail.

1264
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:11,120
Oh, sorry.

1265
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,480
Another donor from Crimson Glory.

1266
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,120
Loyalty is its own reward.

1267
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,120
Hell yes.

1268
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,480
That's the lion's phrase.

1269
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:27,760
And as a lion sort of wanders his way back into the setting, he finds a space marine

1270
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,240
in like Mark IV old armor and his name is Zabriel.

1271
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:39,800
And Zabriel was a Terran who was there on Caliban during its destruction.

1272
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:48,320
And it's sort of a great part in this recent lion book where the lion and Zabriel sort

1273
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,400
of come to terms.

1274
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,760
They basically kind of like actually say what's not been said for all like, you know, I thought

1275
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,560
you betrayed us or the lion was like, I didn't betray you.

1276
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,080
Luther was corrupted by chaos and he went, oh, I didn't know that.

1277
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:02,600
That's fake news.

1278
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:03,600
Sight your sources.

1279
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:04,800
Yeah, you know, it's based.

1280
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,960
Back in my day, we did things differently.

1281
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:10,200
I mean, I'm not that old, you're 10,000 years old.

1282
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,400
I've only been awake five minutes.

1283
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,840
Zabriel looks old as well, which is interesting.

1284
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,800
Zabriel looks like an older star and he's one of the first iterations.

1285
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,120
So it shows you how old he is.

1286
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:28,320
And they kind of have a reconciliation between them where Zabriel understands that the lion

1287
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,480
isn't a traitor in any way.

1288
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:31,480
And then he was lied to.

1289
01:08:31,480 --> 01:08:36,160
And the lion kind of stands like he jumped to conclusions and he's a bit too hasty in

1290
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:37,160
disposing.

1291
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,960
You're saying he gave him an intervention.

1292
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,680
He's like, we care about you.

1293
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,640
We love you, but you're a bit hasty.

1294
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,960
We love you, but you're arse.

1295
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:56,640
To be fair to the lion, and I am the last person who would step in defense of a Primarch

1296
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,080
if I didn't think they really needed it.

1297
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,680
They did start shooting at him in orbit first.

1298
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:08,120
I think most people would probably take that as a...

1299
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,680
Dad's now bound to the throne and his arms off.

1300
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:12,680
Oh, his arms off.

1301
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,000
Oh, this is terrible.

1302
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:20,280
I know the lion's whole mind state was like, I'm going back to Kaladvan to clear my head

1303
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:24,440
so we can take some time, focus.

1304
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:26,160
He gets there and it's like bang, bang.

1305
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,120
He's like, oh, what the fuck?

1306
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:31,720
That's where he gets back to where he's supposed to be like, this is my home and they're shooting

1307
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:32,720
me.

1308
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,760
Imagine if you went to your parents and then all of a sudden they had Uzis pinned on you

1309
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:37,760
at the doorstep.

1310
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,240
Excuse me, what's going on?

1311
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:40,240
What's happening?

1312
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,960
Your parents have Uzis as a sight.

1313
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,680
If he landed on a planet, there was a standoff and then he started killing.

1314
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,480
You know, maybe you'd jump the gun a bit.

1315
01:09:49,480 --> 01:09:55,640
But orbital defense cannons, I tend to think those are the final word on what's going to

1316
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:56,640
go down.

1317
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,560
What's going to go down is a lot of violence.

1318
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,760
This detail might change your opinion a bit.

1319
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:07,240
The part he mostly apologizes for is the banishment of the, like some of the Terrans and the Kalabanites

1320
01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:11,960
back to Kalaban after the first battle on Sarroshi.

1321
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:21,040
So he says like he was too hasty in not like trusting some of his men and that again, like

1322
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,000
it was a mistake as well to leave them and then not even communicate with Kalaban for

1323
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:28,160
that, like basically during the rest of the great crusade.

1324
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,640
He says he basically sort of apologizes to Zabriel for his actions there.

1325
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,520
And Zabriel was like, this guy's like different.

1326
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,520
He's not the same.

1327
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,040
Like the lion of old would never apologize for anything.

1328
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,760
You're not you when you're hungry.

1329
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:44,760
Have a nap.

1330
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,760
You're not you when you're hungry.

1331
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,200
Execute a heretic.

1332
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,840
Bit of a goof.

1333
01:10:52,840 --> 01:11:01,000
So they essentially join up and the lion has his first fallen who no longer seems to be

1334
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:05,080
fallen and he's now believing in the lion once more.

1335
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:10,040
And they fight to liberate the world they landed upon, which has been decimated by a

1336
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,080
chaos warband.

1337
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,080
They eventually save some of the normal people.

1338
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,460
It's a kind of interesting take where the lion just says to himself, I've done being

1339
01:11:19,460 --> 01:11:21,440
a commander slash a ruler.

1340
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:22,840
I never wanted to be a ruler.

1341
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,360
I just wanted to do what I did on Kalaban, which is I like help protect people fight

1342
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:28,360
beasts.

1343
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:32,400
He's like the only reason he ever became the grand master of the order was to help basically

1344
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,280
fight the beasts better rather than like he ruling is a Giliman thing.

1345
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,680
It's not a lion is literally like we're going back to the first album, going back to my

1346
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,960
roots, just killing beasts.

1347
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,640
Because that's what I do best.

1348
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:50,120
Ever since I was wearing my loin cloth, wielding my spear, killing massive like mega Lodons

1349
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,760
or whatever it was.

1350
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:52,760
That's what I'm good at.

1351
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:53,760
That's what I love to do.

1352
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,320
I'm going back to my roots.

1353
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,520
It's going back to George in the jungle.

1354
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,600
The origins Giliman can do taxes.

1355
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:00,600
That's fine.

1356
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,600
We like him.

1357
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,120
He loves these like brother.

1358
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,400
Look at all these rebates and like well done, Giliman.

1359
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:06,400
Nice.

1360
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,320
Do you think Giliman softly moans when he sees numbers?

1361
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,320
Yes.

1362
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:20,040
He makes an audible like when he sees like look at all these like loots.

1363
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:26,000
Loopholes I can use to make the most efficient rebates and also use them for financial gain

1364
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:27,000
to put into that.

1365
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,800
That's that's the noise he makes.

1366
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,720
Oh, another one from the glory here.

1367
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:32,720
Thank you so much, brother.

1368
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:38,640
He says also never forget chapter master Azrael almost got bodied by Lord Arcos from the other

1369
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:42,200
boys the Alpha Legion during the siege of Vrax.

1370
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,800
I know the siege ends, but he was so close.

1371
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:45,800
Yeah, Azrael.

1372
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,920
A lot of chapter masters, like even the Calgar one, and that is basically so close to death.

1373
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,120
And then they just kind of like they tease it like, you know, or maybe he could die.

1374
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:55,360
But then he is a model.

1375
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,840
Although Azrael survived a fight with Khan.

1376
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,840
That's pretty cool.

1377
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,640
He knew he wasn't going to win it, though.

1378
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,640
He'd have to delay.

1379
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:02,640
Yeah.

1380
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:03,640
He had to BS his way to win.

1381
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,800
He like made it out, but it was like you held your own against Khan.

1382
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:07,800
That's pretty cool.

1383
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,680
That was pretty mental.

1384
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:18,160
And so Lion and Zabriel, you know, locking in four arms, they are best buds again.

1385
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,920
And they eventually find their they sort of the lion discovers his new ability, which

1386
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,640
is like the kind of forest walk thing where basically he can teleport or walk through

1387
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:32,840
a walk sort of corridor made by his own mind.

1388
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:38,400
And they eventually just he does it by accident and they find themselves on an imperial world.

1389
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:43,160
And the lion is like formally declared like returned to the Imperium as like a is a kind

1390
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,600
of cool part scene where like the lion is like, I don't like this.

1391
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,720
And then the planetary governor goes, this is a psycho is going to look into your mind

1392
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:55,640
and he goes like psychers being willingly used.

1393
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:56,640
That's different.

1394
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:01,440
And then the psycho just basically looks into his mind and immediately crumbles to his knees

1395
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,440
and goes, it's a Primarch.

1396
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:04,440
Oh my God.

1397
01:14:04,440 --> 01:14:09,040
He's coming in with a steel chair in my brain.

1398
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,040
Yeah.

1399
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:15,640
And you know, the world there's a funny part where the governor gives up her like quarters

1400
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,880
to the lion and he has to push like three beds together because he doesn't quite fit

1401
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:21,840
on all beds, which is like I love it.

1402
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,440
I love that little part that like even in the Gilman book where he has like, you know,

1403
01:14:26,440 --> 01:14:27,880
that lines me off.

1404
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:34,520
It's like Andre the giant, the wrestler, he had to like do his business in the bathtub

1405
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,000
because he couldn't use toilets because he was so large.

1406
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,840
I'm like, oh, does the lion have to do that?

1407
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:40,840
That's a shame.

1408
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,080
Like, look at this, like proud proud son of the emperor.

1409
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,320
He's like, I need a bigger toilet.

1410
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:47,320
This one is that small.

1411
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,320
Primarch, I need the toilet.

1412
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,840
The most devastating loss was Rogal Dorn because no one could build the Primarch sized shitters

1413
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,040
anymore.

1414
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,520
He was laying bricks.

1415
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,520
I've always loved like there's a Gilman has a room where everything's Primarch size and

1416
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,160
even he thinks that's odd.

1417
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:11,880
And then when Korax is on terror, like they they arrive after Isfahan and the Raven guard

1418
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,480
is basically decimated.

1419
01:15:13,480 --> 01:15:17,080
Korax arrives in these chambers and it's all Primarch sized and like a swimming pool that's

1420
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:18,080
Primarch sized.

1421
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:22,960
He kind of goes, this is weird because all the attendants are like normal people.

1422
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,840
I love the idea of a Primarch sized egg cup and it's like a goose egg, but it's like,

1423
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:28,840
oh, it's small.

1424
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,440
Like, oh, I can do like little little what they call them soldiers where you dip them

1425
01:15:34,440 --> 01:15:35,440
in the egg.

1426
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:36,440
Like, oh yeah, that's great.

1427
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:37,440
Oh, one last part.

1428
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:38,440
Primarch sized things.

1429
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:45,560
It's the part where it's in the Dark Imperium book and Gilman's like leaving his quarters

1430
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:52,720
on Macragge's honor and takes off his robes and then just dumps onto a like a human attendant

1431
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,920
and this thing drowns him, the attendant, because he's like, oh my god, it's so much.

1432
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,280
It's like an old curtain.

1433
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:00,280
Struggling to hold it.

1434
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,280
One, one.

1435
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,320
Sorry, it's like three curtains dropped on the human.

1436
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:08,600
Before you say what you're going to say, Colin, we've got another donation from Anthony for

1437
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:11,640
twenty dollars saying Saffron is the best archangel.

1438
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,640
He's a Chad.

1439
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:13,640
He is a Chad.

1440
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:14,640
He is a Chad.

1441
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:15,640
But basically.

1442
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:16,640
Go ahead, say again.

1443
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:21,120
Oh, just one final thing to end that train of thought.

1444
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,360
Holger was married.

1445
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,960
What are the mechanics of that?

1446
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:29,280
They were they were they were political matters, though, like he they basically even he'd even

1447
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,280
call him.

1448
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,880
He was married several times.

1449
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:35,240
They didn't survive long.

1450
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:36,240
The process.

1451
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:37,240
Yeah, I know.

1452
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:38,240
I try and plug that out.

1453
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,760
Smushed into the furniture in one stroke.

1454
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,840
Moving on, moving on.

1455
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,280
Especially that basically the light ends.

1456
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:53,000
They're now in this imperial world and the lion instructs Zabriel to basically find more

1457
01:16:53,000 --> 01:17:01,080
fallen and Zabriel was able to do this by seeing secret symbols and like dark old dark

1458
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:07,720
angel as much like the dark angels had secrets, even in the modern times, the dark angel of

1459
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:12,600
the heresy area had even more like secret orders and hierarchies hidden within them.

1460
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:17,840
Zabriel was able to find these markings that mean nothing to most people, but he understands

1461
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:18,880
what they mean.

1462
01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:21,800
And he stumbles across three other fallen.

1463
01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,640
He finds Afkar, Kai and Lohok.

1464
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:31,760
And it's very odd for Zabriel because Zabriel was recruit like his captain, I think, was

1465
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:32,940
Afkar.

1466
01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:36,880
And yet now Zabriel is way older than Afkar.

1467
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,480
So just stop you there for a second.

1468
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:41,480
I can't not leave this for any longer.

1469
01:17:41,480 --> 01:17:47,480
Neon LF Graves donated two euros saying Andre was seven foot tall for literally twice as

1470
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:49,480
tall as Colin.

1471
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:51,480
Oh man.

1472
01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:52,480
Man.

1473
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:53,480
Pain.

1474
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:55,000
He's not that short, guys.

1475
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:56,000
Come on.

1476
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,000
We've met.

1477
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,000
I've met Colin in real life.

1478
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,000
He's not short.

1479
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,280
We're all in the five foot range, aren't we?

1480
01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,280
I'm five foot eleven.

1481
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:04,800
Yeah, we're all in that five foot range, guys.

1482
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,800
Calm down.

1483
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,000
I'm one centimeter of a six foot.

1484
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,000
Very sad.

1485
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,920
I'm not tall enough to call myself six foot.

1486
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,680
So don't even lie.

1487
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,680
I love it here.

1488
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,480
And I was like, oh yeah.

1489
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:27,600
So as Zabriel finds these other fallen and he beats Captain Afkar who I got these are

1490
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,200
kind of they are fallen who they've met up over.

1491
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:36,440
They haven't actually a few of them have not even been spat out of whatever the fall of

1492
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:39,160
Caliban was like even not long ago.

1493
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:44,880
Some like have only been outside for a few decades, whereas Zabriel has been, you know,

1494
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,680
centuries in millennia for him.

1495
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:51,560
And there's even one of their members who like he refuses to take off his helmet at

1496
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:52,960
any point because he's space.

1497
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,880
He says, I've like created my own oath.

1498
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,160
And then Zabriel tells him like, hey, the lion's back.

1499
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:03,360
And they go, ah, because they have mixed feelings about it.

1500
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,640
But Zabriel tries to explain to them like, this is different.

1501
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,680
Luther lied to us.

1502
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:13,960
You know, he didn't betray, you know, the lion wasn't a traitor or anything like that.

1503
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:18,480
Or we weren't, you know, but you're trying to explain like it wasn't, we don't, we didn't

1504
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,200
know the facts and now we do.

1505
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:22,760
So would you meet with him?

1506
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,040
It's literally the meme.

1507
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,080
We used to be good.

1508
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,600
We used to be bad guys, but now we're good.

1509
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,080
Like that's the meme.

1510
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:34,680
And they do actually meet the lion and it's an interesting part where they see him and

1511
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,120
they go, is he the lion?

1512
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:37,120
He looks a little old.

1513
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,240
And then one of them, one of the guys, Kai, just it stated he could have been an emperor's

1514
01:19:42,240 --> 01:19:43,720
children because he's kind of arrogant.

1515
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:47,240
He basically says, let's just find out if you are the lion.

1516
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,560
And he basically attacks the lion and it's weird.

1517
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,680
Like they say, he's holding his own, but it's because the lion's trying not to kill him.

1518
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:56,200
And like he's holding it off.

1519
01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:01,520
Whereas Kai is like purposely leaving himself open to retaliation and making crazy like

1520
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,480
attacks, no defense.

1521
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:05,840
Cause he is trying to test if it's a lion.

1522
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:11,120
Then to the lion disarms him and Kai basically kneels and goes like, you really are different

1523
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:15,440
because the lion of all would probably would have killed me for attacking a Primarch or

1524
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:16,440
something.

1525
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:21,440
And then Lohok even, it's an interesting part here where it says in the book Lohok is someone

1526
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:23,120
who he immediately joins the lion.

1527
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,280
Cause he basically goes, I was, you know, a hunter in Caliban.

1528
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,920
I was meant to slay beasts, I'll slay beasts with the lion again.

1529
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,480
And he never moves his mask.

1530
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:34,640
He never, it's like everyone kind of thinks, is he like for maybe?

1531
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,080
We're not sure.

1532
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:37,080
And Afkhar joins.

1533
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,080
Go any further.

1534
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,080
You mentioned Emperor's children.

1535
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,080
We've got two donations.

1536
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:45,960
One from Tom Warren saying, maybe Fulgrim was just small for a Primarch.

1537
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,560
So his obsession with perfection was him overcompensating.

1538
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,240
Well, because Eli is not here, I think that's accurate.

1539
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:53,240
Yes.

1540
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:57,920
That's now, I consider that with all three of us here who are lore masters, that's now

1541
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,680
canon and we can move on from that.

1542
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:07,280
It explains the teeny weeny nickname they used to call him in heresy.

1543
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:11,800
And we also got a $2 donation from Crimson Glory saying Fulgrim was married to only fans

1544
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:12,800
models.

1545
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:13,800
Possibly.

1546
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:14,800
Possibly.

1547
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,120
I mean, to be fair at the time, they've probably gone way beyond what we could even think is

1548
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,360
like, who knows what the new sphere was up to.

1549
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:22,360
Only wives.

1550
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,000
Only warp.

1551
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,120
Although I like the Orcs version.

1552
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,120
Only wah.

1553
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:35,000
There's loads watching videos of Orcs, other Orcs fighting me and like, yeah, yeah, wah.

1554
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:38,600
Who's gonna go in with this nine inch machete?

1555
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:45,640
Yeah, let's not go too far down that path because we have parents who kind of respect

1556
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,640
us.

1557
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:47,640
Not really.

1558
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:54,960
But basically, these fallen, they meet the lion and this is where they become the first

1559
01:21:54,960 --> 01:22:00,560
of the, they quote, quote, quote redeemed, where the lion sort of says, there's nothing

1560
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,040
to be forgiven.

1561
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,040
We all made mistakes.

1562
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,400
I've made mistakes.

1563
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:07,080
You were lied to.

1564
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:09,720
I don't blame you whatsoever.

1565
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,400
You know, you're no longer what, you know, because they know like the Dark Ages hunt

1566
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,400
them and they call them the fallen.

1567
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,640
So like, you are not the fallen in my eyes, I can see if you have chaos taint.

1568
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:23,920
So I will call you the redeemed and Zabriel, Afkar, Kai and Lohok become the first of the

1569
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:25,440
redeemed.

1570
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:32,920
And then sort of some shenanigans happen where the world the lion is on gets attacked and

1571
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,520
the warband or chaos warband attacking them.

1572
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,560
They find out that one of the commands of the ship is another fallen.

1573
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:43,160
He's like, oh my god, the lion, you're back, bro.

1574
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,840
And he's like, yeah, bro, I'm here.

1575
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:46,840
And he goes, oh, sick.

1576
01:22:46,840 --> 01:22:48,440
I've been waiting for this.

1577
01:22:48,440 --> 01:22:52,440
And so I hope that's exactly what he said in the book.

1578
01:22:52,440 --> 01:22:54,880
And then brother Sephava, he said, oh, sick.

1579
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:55,880
I like that.

1580
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:56,880
Hey, you're back.

1581
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,120
Dabbed up in the past, mate.

1582
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,120
That's that's that's that sound, mate.

1583
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:02,480
That sound from the night.

1584
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:03,480
That sound.

1585
01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,120
I mean, I'm pretty sure down to the planet.

1586
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:10,240
I'm pretty sure Dark Angels have secret handshakes because it's a secret.

1587
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:15,520
And so they end up in basically another group end up during the lion.

1588
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:21,120
The lion finds two more and he speaks to another group of fallen who have been protecting civilians

1589
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:28,520
in like an old I think it's an old Eldar, like broken down area like or ship or something

1590
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:29,520
like that.

1591
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,960
They basically so the fallen have just been they've been living weird lives.

1592
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:38,800
They even even meet some fallen who there's an interesting part here where the warband

1593
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:42,240
deal with many members who were previously fallen.

1594
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:48,040
And this is led by a chaos lord called Seraphax, who was a fallen as well.

1595
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:52,920
And they are they are trying to recruit other members of the fallen Dark Angels.

1596
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:53,920
Some of them.

1597
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,240
There's an interesting part where Zabriel and another Dark Angel are trying to talk

1598
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,960
to another fallen and basically convince him.

1599
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:03,320
This guy sort of goes, I'm kind of done with war.

1600
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,880
I can't side with any of you.

1601
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:11,480
I truly, you know, I don't really want to I don't really want to fight much.

1602
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:16,760
And then although he does get convinced by Zabriel, just meet the lion just to talk to

1603
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:17,920
him.

1604
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,840
And eventually he does.

1605
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:26,480
And it does sort of build up into an encounter where they the lion finds out the world he

1606
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:31,800
initially liberated with Zabriel before they went to the world they're currently on.

1607
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:37,360
That was burned down to the ground by the warband as like a sort of revenge thing, because

1608
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:41,360
the people who were liberated on their said, we've been liberated by the lion.

1609
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:46,120
And then the fallen Lord Seraphax went, huh, that's interesting.

1610
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,040
What did you mean the lion?

1611
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,160
And that was obviously a symbol.

1612
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:57,960
And the this leads to an encounter with Seraphax, who tries to lure the lion into a trap.

1613
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:05,280
He wants to use the lion to basically possess his body to assassinate the emperor.

1614
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:09,800
But it's in a weird way where like, again, Lord Seraphax is a chaos lord, but he's not

1615
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,760
his taint is a bit different, because he wants to kill the emperor.

1616
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:18,920
So the emperor can become a god in the war like he's meant to be.

1617
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:23,680
So in a way, it's that kind of like there's like Inquisition group who believe the same

1618
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:24,680
thing.

1619
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:30,280
But the basic the reasonings and the motivation of the fallen are all convoluted and twisted.

1620
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:34,520
And it's a it's some lofty goals for this third rate.

1621
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:35,520
Nobody chaos lord.

1622
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:36,520
Yeah.

1623
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,840
And Lord Seraphax is a sorcerer or psychic as well.

1624
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:43,640
So he's able to lure the lion into a trap.

1625
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:51,000
And if I remember correctly, it's a trap made like this shining metallic mirror.

1626
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:59,000
And it's made from extracting the iron out of an entire world's worth of blood.

1627
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,720
So he he maskers an entire world takes the iron out and turns into like a sorceress like

1628
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,640
cage thing.

1629
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,800
And he managed to trap the lion.

1630
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:13,360
Losey, like some of the fallen are fighting, the risen now are fighting with the lion.

1631
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:18,120
And one of the sorcerer guys who the one who like I mentioned earlier, who he didn't really

1632
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:24,080
want to fight, he sort of says his last words to the lion saying, you know, I'm not as strong

1633
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,600
with this guy, but I can give you a moment.

1634
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:27,920
But it will kill me.

1635
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:33,360
And he the lions apologize that they didn't really get a time to sort of fix up and patch

1636
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,480
get their relationship and or their bond.

1637
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,040
And then that form basically gives his life for a moment.

1638
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:43,480
The lion then pounced on Seraphax, who, by the way, I should mention as well, half of

1639
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:45,880
Seraphax's face is on fire the entire time.

1640
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:46,880
He's not burning.

1641
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:48,400
He's a horse rider.

1642
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:52,480
Basically half his face is on fire the entire time and no one acknowledges it.

1643
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:53,480
Most of the time.

1644
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:54,480
His face is on fire.

1645
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:55,480
It's funny.

1646
01:26:55,480 --> 01:26:58,480
And I'm a great singer.

1647
01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:03,760
The weird thing is like, because the fallen that like behind the lion are still trapped,

1648
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,920
the lion doesn't immediately kill Seraphax.

1649
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,280
Like he pins him down and says, like, release my sons.

1650
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:14,840
And it's a stupid move because Seraphax just again, like traps him up.

1651
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:19,680
And he like, you know, you really are not the same lion as before.

1652
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:26,920
And this all triggers something in Seraphax's second in command, who was a fallen, because

1653
01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:32,240
he was someone who he was the guy early who tried to convince the guy to join the war

1654
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:37,280
ban instead and had the two like dialogues competing for fallen royalties.

1655
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,120
And he sort of goes, oh, shit, the lion really is different.

1656
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,120
And so he betrays Seraphax.

1657
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:48,080
And it's a very sad bit, because even though he stabs Seraphax and he manages to kill

1658
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:51,480
him and the fight, the fall in the line are released.

1659
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:56,280
This guy, unfortunately, he's like, he has redeemed himself, but he's too filled with

1660
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,200
chaos taint and the lion can see it.

1661
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:04,320
One of his abilities where he can, he can only redeem fallen angels who are not tainted

1662
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,320
by chaos.

1663
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:09,720
And unfortunately, this one is like good effort, but no, I think we did have another donor.

1664
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,760
Is it Lutti McShootie, he says too much war, not enough.

1665
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,920
Oh, thing on the way there.

1666
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,480
Too much war, not enough hammers, sadge.

1667
01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:24,640
I think Eli made a funny comment in our discord where he identifies a hammer, which is hilarious.

1668
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:32,400
And essentially the lion here, he has to kill this fallen who, yeah, unfortunately, he's

1669
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,040
tainted by chaos.

1670
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,840
And he even says like, I don't want to kill another one of my sons.

1671
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:42,840
And the fallen angel begs him, like, you know, give me the dignity of an honorable death.

1672
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:47,920
And so he does it with his sexy new sword, Fealty, I think it's called.

1673
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:54,160
And this is where we begin where the lion has now sort of got his band of risen and

1674
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:59,160
many of the other sort of elements of the fallen, the ones who are not corrupted by

1675
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:05,320
chaos, they are starting to come out of the woodworks and he essentially is forgiving.

1676
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:07,920
They are, you know, they actually call the risen or the redeemed.

1677
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:14,720
They are forgiven for the miscommunication, miscommunications of the Caliban civil war.

1678
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:21,040
And even now, I think recently in law, they, the lion, when he went to go fight Angron,

1679
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:27,360
he was surrounded by like a crack squad of Dark Angel, when he was reunited with the

1680
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:32,680
Dark Angel's chapter, he is now surrounded by Dark Angels in black armor.

1681
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,320
And I remember Asriel goes, that's weird.

1682
01:29:35,320 --> 01:29:39,640
And I think Zabriel even offers like Asriel a hand when they're fighting Angron.

1683
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,200
He goes like, here, brother, let me help.

1684
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:44,040
And Asriel goes, don't touch me, you disgusting thing.

1685
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:45,040
Ew, get off.

1686
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:46,040
Ew.

1687
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:47,040
Unclean.

1688
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:52,960
He is, yeah, Asriel is not like, that's probably a weird thing that I'm going to have to contend

1689
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:53,960
with, but essentially.

1690
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:55,960
Asriel is probably having a stroke.

1691
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:57,920
Yeah, he's, they're not.

1692
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,400
Thropping out the mouth, chained to his bed like, brah.

1693
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,840
They're probably marks around and I'm sure there might be some inquisition.

1694
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:04,840
I feel sorry for Asmodei.

1695
01:30:04,840 --> 01:30:06,560
What's he going to do for a hobby now?

1696
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:08,520
It's like, I can't interrogate Fallen anymore.

1697
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,160
What am I going to do?

1698
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,160
Like learn crochet?

1699
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:12,880
What am I going to do?

1700
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:13,880
That's my thing.

1701
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:18,240
He can watch more law crimes.

1702
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:24,080
And a lot of Fallen elements now, in particularly as we're recording this, they are members

1703
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:28,520
of the lion's sort of personal guard and they're called like this sort of the circle.

1704
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:33,840
A lot of them don't talk to the other elements of the dark angels or sort of a bow of silence

1705
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:34,840
between them.

1706
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:40,760
I think it's mostly to keep their identities sort of even then secret from his own chapter

1707
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:46,040
because it can be quite shameful that, Hey, these are the guys that there will be, have

1708
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:52,160
to be a reckoning between the Fallen who are now part of the lion's garden and like the

1709
01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:55,680
dark angels who are like, we basically hunted you for millennia.

1710
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:57,680
Like, yeah, I know.

1711
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:01,960
And it's literally just them just going, we good?

1712
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:03,440
No, we good?

1713
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:04,440
No.

1714
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:05,440
All right.

1715
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:06,440
So dad says it's fine.

1716
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:12,000
Many of the Fallen elements, the thousands who are not corrupted, they are sort of flocking

1717
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:13,520
to the lion's banner.

1718
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:17,520
And that's kind of the current, the law of the Fallen.

1719
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:22,440
There's obviously still, I should mention as well, Cypher is still around and he's doing

1720
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:23,680
shenanigans as a whole.

1721
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:28,680
We'll obviously might save it for his entire episode on him, but essentially Cypher helped

1722
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:34,920
bring back Gilliam and he was on terror and now he's kind of scattered the wind and he's

1723
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:35,920
hiding.

1724
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,040
And then Gilliam put him in jail and then he immediately broke out.

1725
01:31:40,040 --> 01:31:41,040
Yeah.

1726
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:45,560
And some of the other, he has members of the Fallen who are working with him.

1727
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:50,720
So they might have like a third element to like the Fallen sort of factions where there's

1728
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:54,760
a middle ground where they're not pro-imperial or pro-chaos or something like that.

1729
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,720
So we'll have to see what they do with that.

1730
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:05,800
But as for current law, that is mostly the sort of gist of how the Fallen happened from

1731
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:16,720
Caliban to its own rebellion to the Luther lies, to the civil war, to its sort of reunification

1732
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:22,160
and the repairing of that broken Legion essentially.

1733
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,240
And Luther, again, Luther's still out there as well.

1734
01:32:24,240 --> 01:32:26,440
We should mention about Luther still.

1735
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:30,960
They haven't touched his law yet, but he's basically, he's in the ether and he might

1736
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:36,760
do something kind of sus because big secrets and we'll never know the truth.

1737
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:38,680
But that is mostly the Fallen law.

1738
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:45,160
Does anyone have any tidbits or anything they want to add on to towards that at the end

1739
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:46,160
there?

1740
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:49,520
I got some characters we could briefly touch on, but other than that, not much.

1741
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:50,520
I'll go for it.

1742
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:51,960
Go for it.

1743
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:57,500
So I have a few characters just to give you an idea of what they're about.

1744
01:32:57,500 --> 01:33:01,120
So we've already talked about some of the big ones like Cypher and Luther.

1745
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:06,000
I think it's worth pointing out that Luther, when he was imprisoned, was imprisoned for

1746
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:12,320
like millennia, but he was in a weird like stasis cell where he kept like being interrogated

1747
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,720
by the supreme grandmaster of the dark angels, who's the only one who has knowledge that

1748
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:17,760
he's in the cells.

1749
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:22,880
So when you become the chapter master of the dark angels, kind of like the bottom of like

1750
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,840
your agreement to sign like, yes, I will take care of the dark angels.

1751
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:30,800
Like the very bottom of the agreement of the contracts.

1752
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:32,280
By the way, Luther's locked up downstairs.

1753
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:33,280
Like what?

1754
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,280
Like, yeah, he's there.

1755
01:33:34,280 --> 01:33:36,840
Make sure to feed the gimp we have in the basement.

1756
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:38,960
Feed Luther every few hundred years.

1757
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:45,200
But his cell is like, for him, like a few hours will pass, or it will be a few hundred

1758
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:46,320
years.

1759
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,280
And then occasionally in his book, he keeps being like interviewed by, or interrogated

1760
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,680
by guys who are like, you're not the chapter masters.

1761
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:54,680
Like, I am now.

1762
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:56,280
I've been the chapter master for a hundred years.

1763
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,400
Like, oh, okay.

1764
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,920
But when he's released, he's freed from the rock.

1765
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:03,000
So we mentioned Marbas earlier.

1766
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,800
I was going to say with Luther, it's like having, as like full perspective, it's like

1767
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:10,400
finding Judas in someone's basement.

1768
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,400
Yeah.

1769
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,600
Imagine you're the Pope.

1770
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:17,840
And then it's like, by the way, at the bottom of the Vatican, we have like, Judas is locked

1771
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:18,840
up downstairs.

1772
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:19,840
What?

1773
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:20,840
Yeah.

1774
01:34:20,840 --> 01:34:21,840
Just so you know.

1775
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:22,840
And he speaks English as well.

1776
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,840
Enjoy being in charge of Rome.

1777
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:26,840
It's like, yeah, yeah.

1778
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:32,360
But yeah, so like Marbas, we mentioned briefly, he's the only fallen angel to ascend to a

1779
01:34:32,360 --> 01:34:33,680
demon prince.

1780
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:40,200
He's the only dark angel fallen to become a demon host.

1781
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:47,280
So during the 41st millennium, he invaded the rock and he basically managed to do enough

1782
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,160
damage that he retrieved it back into the warp.

1783
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:52,260
He's still at large, but he freed Luther.

1784
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:56,320
And so Luther escaped after like 10 millennia of being locked up.

1785
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:02,920
But at least from his book, as far as I can tell, he was very regretful about how he betrayed

1786
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:04,120
the lion and such.

1787
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:07,720
And he's now seemingly free of the taint of chaos.

1788
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:11,080
So at this moment in time, we don't really know what he's about.

1789
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,000
We don't know if he's going to form a coup against the lion.

1790
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,840
We don't know if he's going to join his forces and reconcile.

1791
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:17,840
He's kind of on the fence.

1792
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:23,360
But as far as I'm aware, the consensus is he's going to be a problem.

1793
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,520
He's going to be a thorn in the lion's side.

1794
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:31,240
Even if it's just out of resentment, his jealousy, whatever it is, I'm not sure what they're

1795
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:35,600
going to do with Luther in terms of the law.

1796
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:37,200
But that's that.

1797
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,240
It reminds me of that Arps of Omen thing.

1798
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:41,000
I don't even know where that's going.

1799
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:42,440
The dude's got the key.

1800
01:35:42,440 --> 01:35:46,040
And it's just not gone anywhere for like a whole year.

1801
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:48,440
So yeah, we'll have to see.

1802
01:35:48,440 --> 01:35:52,160
But Wama is a setting and lots of changes.

1803
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:56,240
The lion and Gilliman is like the biggest thing we've ever had happen.

1804
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,160
And that's ages.

1805
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:02,720
So we've already touched on Safer, so I won't say much, but basically whatever he's up to,

1806
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:04,400
he's around a lot.

1807
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:09,880
He sides with loyalist and traitor forces at a whim as long as he gets things done.

1808
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:15,840
He was instrumental on helping Rabute, Gilliman escape from the Red Corsairs during their

1809
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:21,520
imprisonment on their way to Holy Terror to stop the Indomitus Crusade.

1810
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,160
It's fair to say that Safer seems to have his heart in the right place in terms of helping

1811
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:26,400
the Imperium.

1812
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,040
He just doesn't care how he gets it done.

1813
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:34,760
He'll be in charge of demon hosts or chaos-based marines, but he'll also help loyalists.

1814
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,760
And if it wasn't for that, then they kept shooting him whenever he's involved in helping

1815
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:39,760
the Dark Angels.

1816
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:44,760
Like there's one story where I believe the current chapter master of the era for the

1817
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,440
Dark Angels is killed.

1818
01:36:46,440 --> 01:36:51,840
So Safer drags his body away from, I think it's the Orcs, so they don't take his armor,

1819
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,840
just so that the Dark Angels can reclaim it.

1820
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,200
And then he just disappears before he gets shot.

1821
01:36:56,200 --> 01:37:00,240
He's like, ah, he's trying to do the right thing, but he doesn't care what the methods

1822
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:02,600
are.

1823
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:05,740
Another interesting fallen is Attias the Untamed.

1824
01:37:05,740 --> 01:37:10,520
He was an Astartes that grew up with Zahariel and some of the original Dark Angels who were

1825
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:11,920
from Caliban.

1826
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,920
He got massively wounded by Xenos during the Savos campaign.

1827
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:16,920
Ah, yes.

1828
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:19,400
And his skull got split open.

1829
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:23,280
So they had to fit this, I know during the stream I've had a picture of him where he's

1830
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:28,920
like, ah, got this big angel statue behind him, but he had this gigantic like helmet

1831
01:37:28,920 --> 01:37:31,120
thing put over his head.

1832
01:37:31,120 --> 01:37:36,120
And so it kind of became like a cyborg Dark Angel, but because of how he looked, everyone

1833
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:37,400
was unnerved by him.

1834
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:39,360
They're like, we like Attias, but ugh.

1835
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,760
His story is really sad because he's slightly younger than, I think it was Zahariel and

1836
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:49,040
his cousin, they joined the, like the quote unquote order at the age of like 13 or 14

1837
01:37:49,040 --> 01:37:50,040
or something.

1838
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,040
Yeah.

1839
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:56,560
And he's like the little kid who they're all like, ah, look out for him because he's so

1840
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:57,560
nice.

1841
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:58,560
He's really bubbly.

1842
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,440
He's like, yeah guys, let's go hunt some beasts.

1843
01:38:00,440 --> 01:38:02,400
He's so upbeat.

1844
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:07,080
And then he manages to like to live throughout like some horrific beast encounters.

1845
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,300
Like, oh my God, I can't believe we lived.

1846
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:12,800
And then his first battle, his face gets blown off.

1847
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:17,200
And then every time they're in like a Thunderhawk with him, he's just like staring in front.

1848
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:18,840
He's like, what'd you say to me?

1849
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:19,840
And like nothing.

1850
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:20,840
Cool.

1851
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:21,840
Yeah, that's what I thought.

1852
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:25,640
So yeah, his whole demeanor is ruined after that battle.

1853
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:26,640
Poor guy.

1854
01:38:26,640 --> 01:38:27,640
Poor guy.

1855
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:32,200
He also gets captured originally by the Crimson Slaughter warband.

1856
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,960
Then Asmodei, I can't remember which chapter he links up with, but he links up with a chapter

1857
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:41,120
in one of the audio books and they go like, he's like, oh, I am doing my own thing.

1858
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,960
And they don't know he's looking for a, he's looking for a fallen.

1859
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:49,800
So they find Asmodei, Atayas, and he's like, if you free me from the Crimson Slaughter,

1860
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,640
I'll help you like escape.

1861
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:56,300
I don't have any ill blood, but like, I understand you're probably going to capture me.

1862
01:38:56,300 --> 01:39:01,440
So they fight off the Crimson Slaughter and then Asmodei is like, bof, and then they interrogate

1863
01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:05,400
him and we don't know if he's alive or dead.

1864
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:09,280
All we know that is the last thing that we know about in the books at least was he was

1865
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:15,240
captured by Asmodei and then he was like, oh, I used to be a proud dark angel and now

1866
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,140
I'm here.

1867
01:39:17,140 --> 01:39:18,140
Life sucks.

1868
01:39:18,140 --> 01:39:22,080
That's probably not going to go well, I think that pisses pants.

1869
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:27,500
I think I would Asmodei for reference people, Asmodei is a recent model that's just come

1870
01:39:27,500 --> 01:39:31,560
out as a time recording and he is terrifying.

1871
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:32,560
Repent!

1872
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:36,240
This guy is probably the most intimidating chaplain.

1873
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:42,160
I mean, I would die even over black Templars, I'd say.

1874
01:39:42,160 --> 01:39:44,600
He loves interrogating people.

1875
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:49,840
Meria Astelion, like I said, he was one of the chapter masters of the Dark Angels Legion,

1876
01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:54,480
so there were lots of chapter masters in charge of different like big compilations of the

1877
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:55,480
Legion.

1878
01:39:55,480 --> 01:39:59,560
Yeah, he was the guy he fired on the fleet when they arrived to Caliban.

1879
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:04,920
One of the original 136 sent to Caliban for penitence.

1880
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:12,360
He escaped the rock after being captured a few millennia into the 36th millennia, or

1881
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:16,020
30th millennium sometime after the scouring, he was captured.

1882
01:40:16,020 --> 01:40:18,120
He was interrogated for a long time.

1883
01:40:18,120 --> 01:40:19,920
Then he escaped.

1884
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:25,480
He wanted to form a new Legion with the Death Guard called the Death Angels, which were

1885
01:40:25,480 --> 01:40:31,400
like hybrids where he used gene seed and Death Guard and fallen angels to like make a like

1886
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:32,400
a weird mishmash.

1887
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,200
That didn't go well.

1888
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:38,320
Yeah, he worked with Typhus and didn't go very well.

1889
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:41,640
And to this day, he's still being hunted by the Dark Angels as far as I'm aware.

1890
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:46,560
Do you reckon it would have been like in Ankh-A-Man when the guy goes, it smells like the inside

1891
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,560
of a fake leg.

1892
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:53,240
Like a very specific like taint.

1893
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:54,240
Yeah.

1894
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,280
We've already mentioned Zahariel.

1895
01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:58,400
Maybe he's Cypher, maybe he's not.

1896
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:02,960
All we know is Zahariel dueled with Corswain, who was like the Seneschal of the Dark Angels

1897
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:06,280
during the Horus heresy, like the best fighter they had.

1898
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,040
And all we know is that one of them died, one of them survived.

1899
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:12,400
Some people think Zahariel's Cypher, some people think it's Corswain, some people think

1900
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,000
it's Alpharius, some people think it's anyone.

1901
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:16,000
Who knows?

1902
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:19,360
I think in the current lore as well, they both stopped the duel because they wanted

1903
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:25,000
to fight off Typhus of the Death Guard who's attacking the Ashonomicon.

1904
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:30,600
So even now, I have a theory like it might be both of them.

1905
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:32,600
Well, this is the thing.

1906
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:37,600
I was going to say like the last character I know is Visago, who's a librarian of the

1907
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:38,600
Fallen.

1908
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:43,920
So he was present during the Siege of Terra and the Dark Angels as a whole weren't involved,

1909
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:48,400
but Corswain and his fleet helped during the Siege of Terra because they assaulted the

1910
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:50,320
Hollow Mountains.

1911
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:56,080
And during this battle, Luthor sent Visago and a bunch of Fallen Angel to be like, hey,

1912
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,080
we're kind of helping.

1913
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:04,200
It's only a pittance of our forces, but just to save face, if things go south and we have

1914
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:09,840
to side with the Imperium again, we can at least say, oh, we did send some guys.

1915
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,080
So they helped Corswain's units.

1916
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:20,080
Visago saved Corswain's life during the battle, but the men under his command, like Visago

1917
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:22,160
was a lieutenant of Zahariel.

1918
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:26,480
And at this point, Zahariel was kind of under the clutches of chaos a bit because he's kind

1919
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:28,760
of hearing the whispers in Caliban.

1920
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,200
He's being a bit shady.

1921
01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:34,300
So during the battle, they saved Corswain and his men.

1922
01:42:34,300 --> 01:42:40,520
And then the rest of his squad or his battalion are like, hey, we should use the warp to stop

1923
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:41,800
chaos.

1924
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:42,800
And Visago's a librarian.

1925
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:44,560
He's like, no, mate, that's stupid.

1926
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,560
You don't know what you're talking about.

1927
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:50,320
If you use the warp, you're going to be like the guys we've just been fighting.

1928
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:51,620
And they go, no, that's cringe.

1929
01:42:51,620 --> 01:42:53,600
And so they just kill him.

1930
01:42:53,600 --> 01:42:59,140
And it's like, oh, he was a fallen angel out of circumstance rather than choice.

1931
01:42:59,140 --> 01:43:06,160
He was loyal to the Imperium, loyal to the lion and humanity, but he got killed anyway

1932
01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:07,160
and he died as a renegade.

1933
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:11,540
Those are the only ones I wanted to mention, but it's just like a little bit of extra spice

1934
01:43:11,540 --> 01:43:12,540
at the end of the episode.

1935
01:43:12,540 --> 01:43:18,080
I think the fallen part honestly makes the dark angels kind of like way more interesting

1936
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,080
than they ever.

1937
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:23,000
It's just such a good element where I think of particularly the ultramarines.

1938
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:27,920
I don't know if you agree, Colin, but it might be cool if there was a kind of contingent

1939
01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:31,960
or shameful part of the ultramarine.

1940
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:37,040
This is basically, what's the version of ultramarines gone bad and it's not just here on Blackheart?

1941
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:43,520
I mean, the closest I guess there is is the whole Imperium secundus thing that Gilliman's

1942
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:46,720
done a pretty solid job of removing from history.

1943
01:43:46,720 --> 01:43:49,640
Oh, embarrassing that part.

1944
01:43:49,640 --> 01:43:50,640
Yeah.

1945
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:56,040
I know the meme about the fallen angels is just like, just tell the Imperium, you'll

1946
01:43:56,040 --> 01:43:57,040
be fine.

1947
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,800
But I have a bit of a hot take in that regard.

1948
01:43:58,800 --> 01:43:59,800
Oh, go for it.

1949
01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:00,800
Go for it.

1950
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:05,040
So if you think of the nine loyalist legions at the end of the Horus heresy, I like to

1951
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:06,240
break them into three camps.

1952
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:07,720
You've got the broken legions.

1953
01:44:07,720 --> 01:44:10,400
So you've got Salamanders, Raven Guard, Ironhands.

1954
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:14,400
They are so destroyed by the end of the war.

1955
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,440
No matter what they're doing, it's kind of like, oh, they can only do so much damage.

1956
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:19,440
Oh, you're still there.

1957
01:44:19,440 --> 01:44:23,200
You've got, oh, Raven Guard, I've got over here.

1958
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:25,640
Oh, that's fine.

1959
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:28,040
You've got the defenders.

1960
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:34,480
So White Scars, Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, they were there during the Siege of Terror.

1961
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:38,480
Even though the White Scars had a few traitors and the Blood Angels have some weird stuff

1962
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:42,920
going on with the Red Fist and the Black Rage, they're like untouchable and like, you were

1963
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:43,920
here.

1964
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:48,640
Jagatai, at least from Imperial records at the time, died in the battle.

1965
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:50,760
Sanguineous died in the battle.

1966
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,640
Rogal Dawn barely made it through, and he was the one in charge of the defense.

1967
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:56,720
You can't really have a go at those three.

1968
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,400
And then you have the three legions who weren't there.

1969
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:03,160
Dark Angels, Ultramarines, Space Wolves.

1970
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:04,760
Ultramarines are Ultramarines.

1971
01:45:04,760 --> 01:45:07,280
They're the biggest remaining legion by far.

1972
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:09,120
They have their entire empire.

1973
01:45:09,120 --> 01:45:14,120
Robutei Gilamins installed as the Lord Commander at the end of the Horus heresy and also in

1974
01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:17,500
Imperium in the Ereindomatus.

1975
01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:18,840
Pretty much untouchable.

1976
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:22,320
Space Wolves, their whole gimmick is they're wild and uncontrollable.

1977
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,080
Not like in a fun White Scars way.

1978
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:25,680
It's like, no, they just do what they want.

1979
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:30,960
But again, they're always there when shit hits the fan and they do a good job.

1980
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:32,960
Dark Angels, sorry.

1981
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:35,720
They were also pretty badly cut down during the heresy.

1982
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:40,360
So it's arguably not even worth the effort if they really wanted to be gone.

1983
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:45,000
And even though these three legions are the largest by the end of the heresy, they've

1984
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,440
still, other than the Ultramarines, everyone's taken a battering.

1985
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:50,560
And even though the Ultramarines took a battering, they're still massive.

1986
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:55,120
They lost a third of their force or something in Kalf, but they still have almost 200,000

1987
01:45:55,120 --> 01:45:56,120
stars.

1988
01:45:56,120 --> 01:45:58,360
He's like, yeah, we're fine.

1989
01:45:58,360 --> 01:46:04,520
But the Dark Angels are like, one, they're the template for all the Astartes to follow.

1990
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:09,440
So if they had a hint of chaos corruption, that puts the entirety of the Adeptus Astartes

1991
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:10,600
into question.

1992
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:18,320
Two, the line is, according to the Imperium, at the end of the Battle of Caliban, he's

1993
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,680
dead by all accounts.

1994
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:23,280
And his homeworld is destroyed.

1995
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:27,840
They're in a really rough spot to then be like, hey, I know our Primarch's dead and

1996
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:32,160
our planet's destroyed and we weren't there during the Siege of Terror.

1997
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:34,720
Just letting you know, a bit of chaos corruption.

1998
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:35,720
Don't worry about it.

1999
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:37,160
Like, nah, that would...

2000
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:38,160
Dark Angels, get rid of...

2001
01:46:38,160 --> 01:46:42,280
I know that the meme is like, oh, you could just say we had a little bit of corruption

2002
01:46:42,280 --> 01:46:45,900
like the White Scars, but the White Scars didn't have corruption.

2003
01:46:45,900 --> 01:46:46,900
They just had renegade-ism.

2004
01:46:46,900 --> 01:46:50,120
They were like, oh, we think the War Master is a good friend of ours.

2005
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:51,780
We should side with him.

2006
01:46:51,780 --> 01:46:55,760
And then Jagged Fire was like, no, bad White Scars.

2007
01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:56,760
Naughty.

2008
01:46:56,760 --> 01:47:00,320
The only way to settle with that is like, one of those things, you preempt it with even

2009
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:05,240
worse news, which is the entire Legion has fallen to chaos and rescinded our loyalty

2010
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:06,240
to the Emperor.

2011
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:07,240
Like, what?

2012
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:08,240
No, just kidding.

2013
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:09,240
But a few of them have done that.

2014
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:10,720
And so it's not as bad as you think.

2015
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,680
But I feel like the Ultramanians would still be like, hey, we're going to do a monarchy

2016
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:15,680
at 2.0.

2017
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,480
Let's just get rid of the rest of them just in case.

2018
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:23,520
I think it was because the Dark Angels, they essentially just kind of...

2019
01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:26,920
I guess it's during the era of the scouring.

2020
01:47:26,920 --> 01:47:29,560
Essentially, it's just a time period of vengeance.

2021
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:31,640
So maybe they just thought, crap.

2022
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:34,960
I mean, the Imperium is looking for targets.

2023
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,400
So that's just not...

2024
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:42,200
I mean, Lozies legions are basically like, I'm pissed.

2025
01:47:42,200 --> 01:47:44,480
Let's go crack some skulls.

2026
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:46,440
And they do.

2027
01:47:46,440 --> 01:47:50,480
Let's go get blown up at the Iron Cage.

2028
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:54,040
I wonder, I will do wonder how they're going to announce the...

2029
01:47:54,040 --> 01:48:00,520
Because as of time recording, the last Siege of Terror book has just dropped.

2030
01:48:00,520 --> 01:48:03,920
I still don't know anyone who's currently just read it yet.

2031
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:07,160
But that'll be an interesting thing because that's like literally the end of the entire

2032
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:08,160
horrors here.

2033
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:11,520
Much to Boris Collins' delight, so that maybe the GW authors can start reading it.

2034
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:12,520
We've got more scouring books to come.

2035
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,520
So you're not out of the woods yet.

2036
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:15,520
I know I'm not.

2037
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:16,520
God damn it.

2038
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:21,800
It's not going to be really cool though, which is if Aaron Demske Bowden, who wrote the Night

2039
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:23,920
Lords trilogy, if he could...

2040
01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:25,840
Because there's been enough time.

2041
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:29,000
Let him have the reins again.

2042
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:33,520
In the end of that, there's a massive setup of Wesey, Craftworld, Orthwave versus Night

2043
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:34,720
Lords.

2044
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:35,720
Let's see it.

2045
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:37,560
Let's have the battling out sort of thing.

2046
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:39,720
I know people are like, where's Decimus?

2047
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:40,720
We like him.

2048
01:48:40,720 --> 01:48:41,720
Come on.

2049
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:42,720
Yeah.

2050
01:48:42,720 --> 01:48:43,720
I was just like, you know, with the Fallen as well.

2051
01:48:43,720 --> 01:48:49,520
It'd be very cool if there are still elements of the Fallen who are, particularly on tabletop,

2052
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:51,120
still part of the Chaos line.

2053
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,400
So you can get Fallen who are...

2054
01:48:53,400 --> 01:48:57,600
You can have in your Chaos space green design, but then also Fallen, also Risen who are part

2055
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:58,600
of...

2056
01:48:58,600 --> 01:48:59,600
I think you will.

2057
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:04,720
We're about to get Risen who are part of the Inner Circle or in the Dark Angels release.

2058
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:07,160
It'd be very cool if there's like a Chaos...

2059
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:12,960
I think because you can still play, even now, the current old Fallen models, can't you?

2060
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,400
The Dark Angels Fallen models on tabletop, I think.

2061
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:16,400
If you know Colin.

2062
01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:17,400
You can check the web store real quick.

2063
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:21,000
It depends if it's still available in the GW store.

2064
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:24,000
You know, that's a good point.

2065
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,000
I don't think...

2066
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:29,720
I am fortunate I don't play Chaos Space Marine, but that'd be very cool if they had like those

2067
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:35,240
little elements just because I think, particularly with Chaos Space Marines, just having an element

2068
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:39,880
like the Fallen in their roster just makes it very interesting as well.

2069
01:49:39,880 --> 01:49:41,880
Because again, it's all Black Legion, really.

2070
01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:46,560
And then if you can, you can get the Fallen on the web store.

2071
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,760
Yeah, I mean, so technically it's still viable.

2072
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:54,480
Like you can still play, even as the Dark Angels release now, it's still viable to play

2073
01:49:54,480 --> 01:49:56,120
Fallen as Chaos.

2074
01:49:56,120 --> 01:50:00,680
Although they should make them more Chaos-y.

2075
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:05,240
I would also like to point out that when you're going to type Fallen, the first autofill is

2076
01:50:05,240 --> 01:50:07,280
a book about the End Times.

2077
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:10,440
I'm not buying that game's workshop.

2078
01:50:10,440 --> 01:50:12,600
Fuck off.

2079
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:13,600
Still still...

2080
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:16,000
Why are they still selling that crap?

2081
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,720
Do you remember the exact day you learned about the End Times?

2082
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:22,960
It was actually before I even knew it really, Warhammer, what like, you know, that, you

2083
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:27,040
know, the classic four hour long wiki dive of names you don't understand.

2084
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:28,400
Oh, yeah.

2085
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,160
Mine was about the End Times.

2086
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:33,120
So in my head, I was like, damn, this sounds cool as hell.

2087
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:34,440
And then I learned about it properly.

2088
01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:36,880
And then you got the context before that.

2089
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:39,160
You're like, oh no, they gave up.

2090
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:40,760
They should have keep going.

2091
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:46,480
As we're talking as well, the Old World has just re-released, so we're going to hopefully

2092
01:50:46,480 --> 01:50:48,320
see how that is doing.

2093
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:55,200
So if we might do, I think, if it's Colin's turn to help the podcast, it might be another

2094
01:50:55,200 --> 01:51:00,600
fantasy bit of love there for business.

2095
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:01,600
Old World.

2096
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:02,600
Old World.

2097
01:51:02,600 --> 01:51:03,600
Old World.

2098
01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:04,600
Old World.

2099
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:11,560
Do your part by the Tomb Kings minis, slaughter Ritonian players.

2100
01:51:11,560 --> 01:51:16,960
I think DJ Beast, Baltimore started doing videos on the End Times.

2101
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,920
I love his videos, but also dot dot dot End Times.

2102
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:21,920
That's valid.

2103
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:23,200
It's upsetting.

2104
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:32,600
It's kind of like the End Times is the, for us as a fan of Warhammer, and he's going to

2105
01:51:32,600 --> 01:51:34,880
be the one who's going to be doing the end times.

2106
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,400
The End Times is basically the episode.

2107
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,880
It's the sequel trilogy for us in terms of Warhammer fandom.

2108
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:49,080
Even in the style, it's like we have to basically deal with it and there's no avoiding End Times

2109
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:50,080
things.

2110
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:54,040
And I hope there's nothing like that in 40K in terms of like, we've just got to shut down

2111
01:51:54,040 --> 01:51:56,760
this shiz.

2112
01:51:56,760 --> 01:51:59,320
And that can start to be very, very upsetting.

2113
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,920
And for those who are listening who have not read Warhammer Fancy End Times, you're not

2114
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:03,920
missing mine.

2115
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:07,320
It's basically, they assassinate everyone's favorite characters and it basically ends.

2116
01:52:07,320 --> 01:52:08,320
The end of the setting.

2117
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:14,200
It's the end of the setting, which, luckily in Warhammer, will not happen because the

2118
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,920
money's only going to be going up for certain though.

2119
01:52:17,920 --> 01:52:22,760
The Fallen will never blow up the setting because if they blow up the Space Marine setting,

2120
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:24,320
they blow up Games Workshop.

2121
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:25,760
So take that to heart.

2122
01:52:25,760 --> 01:52:27,560
The Fallen will always be here.

2123
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:32,360
There's also a slightly cool part, which is that the Fallen's armor, as you were saying

2124
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:35,680
at the beginning, their armor and their look goes hard.

2125
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:42,040
It's because it's all very much still under the influence of the Calibanite culture there.

2126
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:45,120
So they have a heavy warrior monk.

2127
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:51,040
The Dark Angel is now a copy of a copy of a copy, whereas the Fallen who are still around,

2128
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,040
they're like the OGs.

2129
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:57,200
Like their equipment is still Calibanite forge when Caliban was at its height and things

2130
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:58,200
like that.

2131
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:00,320
It's formed from like ove to the forest.

2132
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:05,560
There's a cool part in one of the Lion's books where it talks about how some of the librarians

2133
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:12,980
of the chapter, they hold pieces of bark or moss or bits like leaves that are from Caliban

2134
01:53:12,980 --> 01:53:19,760
as a sort of thing in their room to keep them tied to their sense of self and identity.

2135
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:23,040
Obviously because warped stuff is happening.

2136
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:28,840
Kind of like the, I don't know, that kind of reminds me of how they've got like bits

2137
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:33,400
of like Sanguinus in the Blood Angels fortress monastery.

2138
01:53:33,400 --> 01:53:35,560
I mean, they got his corpse.

2139
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:37,480
One of them has his feather in the armor, right?

2140
01:53:37,480 --> 01:53:39,240
Is that Dante?

2141
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,040
Dante did have Sanguinus's feather.

2142
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:45,520
He gave it to Gabriel Seth for a bit and then Gabriel Seth gave it back.

2143
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:50,040
During the Devastation of Val, it was like, oh, have this.

2144
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:55,160
And they found with the flesh terrors in the presence of the feather, they didn't fall

2145
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:59,880
to the red first or the black rage because the purity of it just like made them chill

2146
01:53:59,880 --> 01:54:00,880
out.

2147
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,760
They were like, wow, this is amazing.

2148
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:04,640
And originally Dante was like, you can keep this.

2149
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:08,240
And then Gabriel was like, no, I kind of forgive you guys.

2150
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:09,880
This is yours to keep.

2151
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:15,400
I know our chapter master, the first one, Nyssa Ammit made like the housing for it,

2152
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:17,160
but like this is a Blood Angels relic.

2153
01:54:17,160 --> 01:54:19,480
As cool as it is, you deserve to keep it.

2154
01:54:19,480 --> 01:54:21,800
And we wouldn't take care of it very well.

2155
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:22,800
He did an arc.

2156
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:23,800
That's nice.

2157
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:24,800
Good for him.

2158
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:29,480
It was that he actually had character development, so it's very nice.

2159
01:54:29,480 --> 01:54:33,560
I think that with that being said, though, I think unless anyone has anything else they

2160
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:38,280
want to add or something like that, I think again, like next week will be another tier

2161
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:39,280
list one.

2162
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:43,000
I don't think we've decided quite yet before anyone jumps in.

2163
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:45,560
It's probably not epic rap battles of history or pro se.

2164
01:54:45,560 --> 01:54:47,520
That's something very important for a game.

2165
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,600
May I offer an idea?

2166
01:54:49,600 --> 01:54:51,640
Go ahead.

2167
01:54:51,640 --> 01:54:57,880
We need to do something Dark Souls related, surely, like boss fights or summons or characters.

2168
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:05,000
We could do one about favorite NPCs and be like, oh, I'm the Crestfallen Knight.

2169
01:55:05,000 --> 01:55:08,200
You can't be going around all these undead.

2170
01:55:08,200 --> 01:55:11,240
We could just be like, yeah, these guys are cool.

2171
01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:12,240
These guys suck.

2172
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:13,240
Crestfallen Knight.

2173
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:21,120
I would gladly do as someone who's unfortunately maybe Dark Souls one is the one I played through

2174
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:26,840
the most, which is kind of sad because the boss battles are better in Bloodborne is a

2175
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:27,840
true answer.

2176
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:32,080
But we should we could definitely do that in.

2177
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:35,200
I really also want to do just straight up.

2178
01:55:35,200 --> 01:55:39,760
We should just do one where it's like every single god in the setting and like even fantasy

2179
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:48,560
and 40k every god ranked and then also all the Horrors Heresy books ranked me and me

2180
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:49,560
and you and it will.

2181
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:50,560
I will be present.

2182
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:55,440
He'll be like, I'm just here.

2183
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:56,440
I will.

2184
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:57,440
I will manage the chat.

2185
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:01,320
It will be very useful because you'll know which ones not to read because there are some

2186
01:56:01,320 --> 01:56:02,320
definitely not to read.

2187
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:07,720
I'm sure you're recovering from last week's successor chapter one, aren't you, Colin?

2188
01:56:07,720 --> 01:56:08,720
Recovering is a strong word.

2189
01:56:08,720 --> 01:56:09,720
I'm I'm I'm enduring.

2190
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:14,800
For people who haven't seen it, check out the successors.

2191
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:15,800
That was a pain.

2192
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:18,800
Where we enter like over 200.

2193
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:24,920
So we said a feet tier list when and squig tier list when is not happening.

2194
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:29,600
We're not rating squigs because all three of them are I think that you're saying Tom

2195
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:30,600
Warren.

2196
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:35,080
Hey, you want this bit of our dead dad?

2197
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:36,080
We ain't Imperial Fins.

2198
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:37,080
We're not putting his hand in a cask.

2199
01:56:37,080 --> 01:56:39,600
It's still his feather.

2200
01:56:39,600 --> 01:56:40,600
It's a part of him.

2201
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:42,400
That's like a hair follicle, though.

2202
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:44,680
That's like, oh, that's still weird.

2203
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:48,040
Yeah, but like an actual like skeletal hand is weird.

2204
01:56:48,040 --> 01:56:53,720
There's another relic where I mean, to that the the iron hands have Ferris Manus's head

2205
01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:54,720
or his skull.

2206
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,480
Oh, yeah, that's also weird.

2207
01:56:56,480 --> 01:57:01,920
And also the iron hands made like a weird flesh golem, flesh golem with a bit of his

2208
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,160
hands like, yeah, don't trust them with any of it.

2209
01:57:04,160 --> 01:57:05,160
One of his arms.

2210
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:09,280
Heaven for them was the one another one from Anthony.

2211
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:10,280
Thank you so much.

2212
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:12,520
Anthony says, please give the lament is the feather.

2213
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:15,320
We need it the most best blood angel successor.

2214
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:17,880
Honestly, you guys can't be trusted with it.

2215
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:19,780
It'll get lost.

2216
01:57:19,780 --> 01:57:24,240
Maybe it will just like be like a give them the break and just if they hold it near them,

2217
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:28,240
they don't have bad luck, but they have to be like a really like small proximity.

2218
01:57:28,240 --> 01:57:34,160
Yeah, this is this is the people who like they say they get locked out their car.

2219
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:40,440
I did the opposite of that once you got locked in your car.

2220
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:41,440
No, I left.

2221
01:57:41,440 --> 01:57:46,240
I left my key in the ignition and just went in a store for like half an hour.

2222
01:57:46,240 --> 01:57:47,240
Damn.

2223
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:51,480
I'm surprised I had a car after the fact.

2224
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:53,680
So I didn't just get in and leave.

2225
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:54,680
Wow.

2226
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:58,920
It's a comment from contact kinetic just saying use the feather to tickle Dante's nose.

2227
01:57:58,920 --> 01:57:59,920
Okay.

2228
01:57:59,920 --> 01:58:05,640
This is maybe smile for some reason, so it's rare as Pepe says, go full Egyptian, make

2229
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:09,240
a relic out of Fulgrum's dog.

2230
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:12,800
We don't have the capacity to scale the dog.

2231
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:16,200
Russian queen Scaly dog.

2232
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:18,160
That's a hell of a thing.

2233
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:19,160
Bad name.

2234
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:21,480
Yeah, I think also Eli will be with us next time.

2235
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:23,920
So that'll be for tier lists.

2236
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:28,880
I think we're hoping to have might not be very soon, but we're planning to have another

2237
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:32,640
guest I think possibly next month if we can manage to arrange it.

2238
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:43,040
Obviously you can't say who yet and your mother, all of your moms, the queen.

2239
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:47,080
She doesn't want to be.

2240
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:48,080
One.

2241
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,080
Go ahead.

2242
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:50,880
May I get one final word?

2243
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:51,880
Yes.

2244
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:57,200
Uh, if you are going to purchase anything space Marine, make it the dark angels veteran

2245
01:58:57,200 --> 01:59:02,680
company veteran kit because there are very few of that old style.

2246
01:59:02,680 --> 01:59:05,680
Like I like, I like, I'm, I'm not Eli.

2247
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:11,040
I like the primaris Marines, but the, you can see like the, with the old ones versus

2248
01:59:11,040 --> 01:59:13,760
all the new primaris stuff coming out, there's a certain charm.

2249
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:18,520
I feel they lack those company veterans.

2250
01:59:18,520 --> 01:59:21,200
It's the helmet, but it's also like, just like the posing and everything.

2251
01:59:21,200 --> 01:59:25,700
Like it's less elegant and refined, but it's got a charm because of that.

2252
01:59:25,700 --> 01:59:29,840
And I guarantee those are going to get primarisified sooner or later.

2253
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:33,560
So if you want some vintage stuff, go get yourself those company veterans.

2254
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:40,360
I must say that new batch of dark angels, are they called companions or something like

2255
01:59:40,360 --> 01:59:41,360
those ones?

2256
01:59:41,360 --> 01:59:42,360
Oh yeah.

2257
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:45,440
Oh, they look, they look cool as hell.

2258
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:49,160
I'm just thinking like, Hey, just fellas, the older models, they're on their way out.

2259
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:55,000
If you couldn't tell from the fact that the entire first born range pretty much got obliterated.

2260
01:59:55,000 --> 02:00:01,640
I'm of the opinion that the, the first born helmet is a much more satisfying design than

2261
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:05,840
the, the primaris helmet does look a little bit too new age.

2262
02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:12,520
Although to be fair, it is like a modern is a more updated rendition of a Horace heresy

2263
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:13,520
era helmet.

2264
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:21,040
But although I will, the best model I've seen ever is like late last year, there was that

2265
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:26,640
white scars Horace heresy model that was like, Oh, that looks good.

2266
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:31,200
Oh, is that the, it's not the cataphracty one.

2267
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:35,160
I think I think I know which one you're talking about too.

2268
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:38,640
It's one of the normal Marines or isn't it?

2269
02:00:38,640 --> 02:00:41,480
But I think that with that, it was like a storm seal.

2270
02:00:41,480 --> 02:00:44,720
Oh, I do know what you're talking about now.

2271
02:00:44,720 --> 02:00:47,640
White scars do need, they need some love.

2272
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:48,880
Iron hand salamanders.

2273
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:49,880
They all need love.

2274
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:54,520
Do you feel that with salamanders, you can get bits pretty easily from places or not

2275
02:00:54,520 --> 02:00:57,640
sponsored so long as you just get stuff and just stick that one.

2276
02:00:57,640 --> 02:00:58,640
That looks close enough.

2277
02:00:58,640 --> 02:01:02,880
That being salamanders bits and paint them as any other chapter.

2278
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:08,520
I mean, I've got, I have a, I'm trying to make a 2000 point list of salamanders cause

2279
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:11,200
flames go brr, you know, brr.

2280
02:01:11,200 --> 02:01:12,200
But that's pretty cool.

2281
02:01:12,200 --> 02:01:16,880
And I'm going to have some of their successors in there, which would be very fun because

2282
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:20,320
it's nice not having to paint green every time.

2283
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:21,320
That's fun.

2284
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:25,520
But I think that with that being said, I think that is the fallen.

2285
02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,440
Thank you guys so much for listening.

2286
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:34,760
I don't think we have decided quite, I mean, it's our, it's our epic rat battles.

2287
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:37,640
Like in terms of like, it doesn't, it keeps getting pushed back.

2288
02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:41,800
We're trying to talk about Necron Lords or, you know, some, some ones that have been spicy

2289
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:42,800
removed from.

2290
02:01:42,800 --> 02:01:43,800
We've got a lot of stuff on the bench.

2291
02:01:43,800 --> 02:01:44,800
We've got Necron Lords.

2292
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:46,920
We've got to get back to the great crusades.

2293
02:01:46,920 --> 02:01:48,160
We've got to be doing versus again.

2294
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:49,440
We've got to do pub quiz.

2295
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:50,720
But we'll figure it out.

2296
02:01:50,720 --> 02:01:51,840
Just, it's a new year.

2297
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,920
Give us a minute to figure out our schedule.

2298
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:59,280
We're trying to get some, uh, guests on again, returning ones as well.

2299
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:04,840
And I think that being said though, that was the, uh, the fallen, the kind of the ones

2300
02:02:04,840 --> 02:02:09,800
the lion was a bit embarrassed about initially and the darkings were embarrassed about, but

2301
02:02:09,800 --> 02:02:14,000
now it's not so embarrassing because you know, he's embraced it.

2302
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:18,160
It's you know, fallen is his pronoun and he's, he's slaying queen.

2303
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:20,200
Uh, I don't even know what that any of that means.

2304
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:25,320
They've, they've gone from I've fallen and I can't get up to the Riz.

2305
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,960
And I told you we needed more glitter.

2306
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:33,720
Um, thank you guys so much for listening and watching though.

2307
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:35,760
Uh, that's been law crimes.

2308
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:39,200
Um, Oh, we should mention, we are, we are on Spotify as well.

2309
02:02:39,200 --> 02:02:42,160
I should mention that we should mention that at the beginning.

2310
02:02:42,160 --> 02:02:46,000
We are on Spotify as you are, you are like listening to us like offline.

2311
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:50,280
Um, we've got some of our audio things in there and then it's just us rambling like

2312
02:02:50,280 --> 02:02:51,280
this stuff.

2313
02:02:51,280 --> 02:02:56,640
And obviously we should be on, we're on YouTube, Spotify, Amazon, audible and Amazon music.

2314
02:02:56,640 --> 02:02:58,360
We're, we're on a bunch of platforms.

2315
02:02:58,360 --> 02:03:03,200
And if you're falling asleep to this currently though, you know, sweet dreams, princes and

2316
02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:04,200
princesses.

2317
02:03:04,200 --> 02:03:07,400
Just remember sweet dreams are made of you.

2318
02:03:07,400 --> 02:03:08,400
Yes.

2319
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:11,120
Who am I to disagree?

2320
02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:12,120
We'll get copyright.

2321
02:03:12,120 --> 02:03:13,120
We can't do that.

2322
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:14,120
Don't watch the X man.

2323
02:03:14,120 --> 02:03:15,120
Yeah.

2324
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:16,120
All right.

2325
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:17,120
See you later guys.

2326
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:18,120
Thank you.

2327
02:03:18,120 --> 02:03:19,120
Take care everyone.

2328
02:03:19,120 --> 02:03:20,120
Take care.

2329
02:03:20,120 --> 02:03:21,120
Bye.

2330
02:03:21,120 --> 02:03:22,120
Bye.

2331
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:23,120
You guys not here.

2332
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:24,120
So we'll say that love you all.

2333
02:03:24,120 --> 02:03:25,120
Primaris is good.

2334
02:03:25,120 --> 02:03:26,120
We love you all.

2335
02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:41,120
Bye.