Hello.
One day it will be smooth sailing
and we'll actually get this going.
Holy shit, we are alive.
Yes.
Fantastic.
That's cool, feels like.
We should say welcome everyone to 2024.
Happy New Year.
And it's a, I was gonna say new season.
We're not, it's not new year, new me.
This is same lore masters, same like drivel and crap.
That's right, Niamh.
Welcome everyone.
And yes he is.
Yeah.
Hello, well, let's be a bit more, big energy about that.
Hello everyone.
Thank you, thank you.
Good to see you all again.
And today's a bit of an interesting topic
and no, it's not because we're feeling lazy.
It's just generally because there's a certain link
or theme between all four of us here
is that we all love and mostly earn a living
through Warhammer.
We definitely, we love Warhammer
and we just want an opportunity to rant about it
and just kind of get into sort of maybe even a little bit
of like how we got into our stories
and just generally what actual aspects we like about it.
Cause as much as if you probably see all of our channels
we'll very much have a different outgoing sort of production
of content around just one little hobby.
And we'd obviously like to talk about
what makes that special for all of us.
I do think Colin though,
Colin is starting us off with a good old question
of the week here.
Cause we had something a bit special before
as I'm recording Christmas.
So we got, I believe that was for the Bellasauris
call episode for people who wanna go check that out.
And what was it Colin that we had
on the question of the week before?
I will bring that up.
But first I'd like to say two things.
Dante, thank you for the thousand CLP.
Yeah.
Thank you Dante.
I'm gonna be outside of your fucking house.
The bed is made.
What are you a lot about?
It is made.
I'm not ironing my fucking blanket.
It's made.
And you literally before we started,
you were like, I'm gonna like move the camera slightly
so people don't bitch about my bed.
I'm sorry that there's some pillows sticking out
and the bed that my dogs run rampant on.
Absolute heresy, I don't know.
Christ.
Anyway, someone said like they're gonna eat a hat
at some point as well earlier in the comments.
So someone needs to eat a hat.
We'll make sure that happens.
No eggs.
Question of the week.
So I don't keep getting railed from my bed.
Bone trade.
Hashtag Chrome me up.
I just want a second working pancreas to flex on Colin.
That one.
You know, it's, I did name myself
Pancreas Nowork channels and that is my Xbox gamer tag.
So I can't really get upset about it, but also screw you.
Hashtag it right.
To be roasted about your medical history on the internet.
It just hits.
It is a little funny.
Oh man.
It is from milesupshire9869.
My bad if I said that wrong.
What's that from milesupshire?
That's a game or something.
I'm gonna check that, hold on.
Sounds like a setup to like a.
Yeah milesupshire.
I'm not sure, I barely know her.
Outlast, that's what it's from.
Miles is the main character from the Outlast video games.
Oh.
Scary for me.
Yeah, too spooky.
Chrome me up.
I'd get the same upgrade, Remembrancer, Mercedy,
Olatun used, Andy do you know who that is?
Mercedes Olatun.
The Emperor's Children book.
Yeah, she does the whole thing where
when they go to confront Rogal Dawn,
they're like Horace is a traitor yo,
and he's like what did you say?
And she's like no, no, no,
I've like recorded it with my eyeballs
and you can see what I've seen with my like implants.
And then they like connect her to a table
and they show them like massacring the remembrances.
So you're like, yeah, kind of like just like a webcam
for your eyes, yes.
Mercedes Olatun is, she's the one from Horace Rising
where she's the dark, dark skinned woman
who has the, she has the odd shaped skull.
They even say in the book.
Probably on account of the GoPro she has in her brain.
Yeah, most of them.
And unfortunately she gets possessed by Samus and dies,
which is sad.
In like all the later books.
Poor Logan just gets tortured.
I know, it's not good.
Mr. Miles Upshure would use this in order to upload
10 terabytes of cat girls and VTubers
directly to his brain.
Oh, okay, all right.
We are starting the new year off well.
Get him out of here.
You disgust me, but thank you also for commenting.
So you're saying you would upload artificial schizophrenia
directly into your cortex.
I guess so.
And the last one is a short, sweet and simple.
Edmund the Spiffing 2920.
Chrome me up, you just sponge Bob's muscles.
I used to be a wimp before Anchor Hearts.
Now I'm a jerk and everybody loves me.
How old is that episode now?
Oh my God.
It's got over 20 years.
Also shout out to Glore because Eli got to it
and now I can't get it out of my head.
The bottom.
The bottom too.
Yeah, yeah.
It went pretty hard.
Meow, meow, meow.
Gary hit them with the meow.
Meow, meow, meow.
Gary hit them with the meow.
Good walk carrying every song for real.
It's great.
Although I think Larry the Lobster still has the best tune.
Oh yeah, I love his,
I think Larry's song is my favorite.
That was dumb hard.
That's a dumb bell.
Yeah.
Speaking of.
Anyways.
Speaking of Warhammer stuff though.
Yes.
And so particularly if you're actually listening
live at the time,
feel free to comment things that you like
particularly about Warhammer
or dare I say love about Warhammer
because we'll definitely sort of rhyme in
and chip in on that.
But we are starting off with perhaps
the silliest goofball amongst all of us
that Matt that aged me that comment.
Wow.
Colin, why do you love Warhammer?
We're just gonna start maybe a controversial take
and it's not about elves.
I'm not doing that yet.
I will, but you know, it's not even about the lore.
No, I think that underappreciated
the models Warhammer has.
I think that especially, you know, we're lore channels.
It's easy to forget that damn,
this is all in service to some tabletop models.
And you know, those models are pretty great.
In fact, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say,
I think 95% of all the models Games Workshop
has put out are pretty kick ass.
You might think you're an Eldar player.
What the hell are you talking about?
Half of your range is older than you.
Hear me out.
The, I think the reason you can complain
about the model so much
is because they don't exist in a vacuum.
Like, you know, you compare them to other models.
So, you know, I wake up, I look at the Space Marine catalog,
it's five million models all updated yesterday.
I look at the Eldar catalog,
half of them are older than me and a little bit aged.
But in a vacuum, you put that model down and it's gorgeous.
Like the Lord Spiders,
compare those to like, you know, any updated thing.
Those are old as hell, made out of fine cast
as the crime against nature.
But the model is so good.
I thought Eli's gonna sing at any point right now.
Just be like, yes!
Yeah.
I'm getting cool right now, holy frick.
Oh no, no, no.
No.
Colin's preaching right now, dude.
So you had to drop that kind of,
that kind of angsty attitude in there.
I gotta admit, there was a comment really early
on the stream that said, Eli in his super villain chair.
I'm like, yeah, that's.
We do actually have a quick donation here by Melted Phoenix.
Thank you.
He says, Merry Christmas and happy new year.
You guys always streamed during the first couple hours
of my work day, so I never really get to catch these.
So guess you took a day off of work to watch a stream.
No, you didn't.
Hell yeah.
Nice.
And thank you for the donation as well.
And happy new year to you too, Merry Christmas.
Continue on Colin, continue.
Declan Gray put a good old models,
don't equate bad models.
Like obviously, you know, it would sure be nice
if a lot of the models got updated.
And I'm not saying they've never put out a bad models.
The Red Terror model is, I think,
one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life.
It's just a dog shit model.
But most of them, like the models they have,
it's like they look bad because they're compared
to the updated new stuff that's put out.
Almost every model in GW is pretty good.
And it all looks like Warhammer.
I would say there's very few models they put out
where it's like generic sci-fi, whatever.
Like everything, it's like you look at it and go,
if you're familiar with Warhammer, you're like, easy spot.
That's a Warhammer mini right there.
I don't think about it anymore.
Leagues of my time.
Yeah.
That's why I said almost.
I might've been thinking about them while I was talking.
That's, look, they could use a little bit more
or less dwarf depending on if you're me or hell.
They just need a book, at least one book,
and we'll be on the way.
They do need some lore.
Everyone needs a book at this point though.
I think, well, I guess at the end of the day,
the whole thing is they just, books are there
to sell the models and Collins Wright,
the models are the absolute centerpiece and winners love them.
Even though like with that though,
their models, I don't think they're bad looking.
I think they're a bit generic
and don't quite have that Warhammer touch.
But even among that, they don't look bad.
I would argue at least,
like I don't think you look at a Votan model and go, man,
that's hideous and disgusting.
I hate looking at that.
It's like, it could be a little bit more unique,
could be a bit better, but in terms of quality,
it's like, eh, it's good.
Maybe I'm slightly unfair,
because if it was any other company that was making models
with that much detail and consistency,
you would still be like, wow.
But then again, my Warhammer gauge is a bit off.
Yeah, well, I think that's like kind of what I'm saying too.
Like that's, cause this is their whole thing.
Obviously they're held up to a higher standard,
but in a vacuum, like I was looking through the,
like the D&D website, just like curious,
like what do their models look like?
You know, they're decent,
but they don't have anything that like is like,
this is Dungeons and Dragons.
Like this is any fantasy setting
in the history of the universe,
which arguably also you could say that's their point too.
Like they just want you to think fantasy,
Dungeons and Dragons uses for anything.
But Warhammer is like, damn, these models are,
hmm, I don't know, some special.
And you know, they're minis.
You can use them for anything.
Like realistically speaking,
you buy some Imperial, you know, spearmen.
Those could be town guard for, you know,
whatever your Dungeons and Dragons campaign
or Pathfinder or whatever the hell.
And I must admit that the recent Warhammer
store anniversary Votan model,
where it's like a guy with like a runic sword.
I said, cause you know, Alpha Bones,
he really loves them.
And I was like, I'll buy that and I'll send it to you.
And I sent it to him.
He's like, that's really cool.
But it's like, oh, it's a shame.
Some of their coolest models are so limited,
but you can only buy them on the one year anniversary
or the year anniversary of a shop in your local area.
That's very shame.
That tile with the real model.
There's another one.
That thing looks awesome.
The thing, what would you call that?
The thing.
Virgin gatherer.
Oh, those are the worst.
No, no, I just realized, I see all the memes of like,
if you go on any like subreddit,
like towel players do get it bad.
It's because the amount of people who are just going on
and then like, oh, you know, my little poor boy
had dropped him as a baby and now he plays towel.
It's just like, it's so mean.
Poor towel place.
Lelouch, Ryu donated five Australian dollars, I believe.
And said, just tuned in.
Thank you.
And here to derail the conversation.
Can I get some Bok in check?
I seriously love your content.
Keep up the good work.
Bok, bok, bok, bok.
I hate Sorus.
I hate them.
But since people were expecting it,
the elf models, of course, are a cut above the rest.
Hey, don't you think, fuck, New Year, new me?
That's BS right there.
New me, that's insane.
I have not changed.
Crimson Glory is back.
What?
Oh my God, Crimson Glory.
Crimson Glory is back.
Crimson Glory, happy new year, brother.
I almost broke my back.
Jesus.
I've been bedridden from the flu
since the first of the month.
Flu, I want that with you too, mate.
And I have my car battery die,
but the Lord of the Rings crew always lifts me up.
Hope yours, New Year's going better than mine.
Love you.
Crimson Glory, we hope you get better, brother.
And from Protect too, we hope you have a speedy recovery.
Hal's suffering a bit from the flu as well, I believe.
So, we feel you.
The Emperor didn't protect.
We can always pick on Zeench next if we're thinking.
And also Brian Isaacs gave five dollars.
He says, Votan models are missing a key component
when using barricades, a box.
A metal box.
Metal boxes.
Thank you.
We'll have you a long time.
Speaking of, thank you both.
Speaking of car battery, quick tangent.
My car lately has been sounding,
you know when a lawnmower,
you don't quite pull it all the way enough?
It's kind of my car right now.
Oh gosh.
My car runs off of the grace of God alone.
To be fair, recently my laptop, which I edit with,
if I am not careful, it does make like a jud,
like da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.
Oh no, please don't die.
I need you to make videos.
It's just like, it was a YouTube only experience
about when you first send a video to render
and your computer is basically wanting to take off
and leave her, because it's like.
Yeah, it's like it goes from, hmm,
and it goes, hmm, and you're like, oh no.
I never have I stressed my setup so much
than trying to render, particularly recently
on my channel, a 12 hour video.
Yeah.
Anytime you do a compilation, oh, it's stressful.
That was, it probably hates me, you know, justify me.
I hate that fucking DJ Beast.
I hate that you're one of the funniest people in the chat
and it's always aimed at me.
The car is aging like a fine glass.
And then look at it.
To all the Tao haters in chat, to all the Tao haters in chat,
I wanna, you know,
third edition Tao Codex, fifth edition whatever.
I do like those older edition ones.
What's the one, what's the Ultramarine's classic Codex cover,
which has the chaplain on the right-hand side,
the left-hand side, and then there's the dreadnought
on the right and they're all like lined up in a row.
I like the one where he's just blowing the brains out
of the Chaos Marine.
I'm thinking of this one.
Solid choice.
Well, through a tier list of like old Codex,
like literally every Codex art ever.
Must do that.
We gotta do the epic rap battles too.
How could you hate on these MS, dude?
Look how cool these are.
That is pretty sick.
I'm with the Eli, I like the Tao.
I'm the Xenoman, believe me, I get it.
But, yeah, just starting on Eldar.
Yeah, Eldar.
Look, look, no one likes in RE lore
because GW has killed it since its birth.
But the Ynkarn model, that thing is gorgeous.
It is beautiful.
Kane's new model.
Again, GW doesn't like Kane very much.
She has got a win-loss record only matched
by me playing Counter-Strike.
Not great.
But that new avatar, oh, there he is.
Yeah.
Kane.
Avatar Kane is great and it goes on into fantasy.
Alario, Teclis, and AOS, great models.
Tyrion, Age of Sigmar,
he's, or not Age of Sigmar, a fantasy.
You know, he's a little more basic
because he's not a god, but he's a fucking cool dude,
with a cool horse, cool sword, cool armor.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
Just, you know, obviously it's not just them.
Plenty of models are beautiful.
I think that's part, honestly, a big part
of why I love Age of Sigmar so much
is because the modeling team for that game is off the rails.
For real.
I don't know what, like,
they must be in like two different buildings
where it's like the 40K team and the Age of Sigmar team.
And the Age of Sigmar team are smoking something
because they have going on there.
Sound good.
That is like, yeah, just chuck a beetle in there
for some reason or something.
Yeah.
Make it weird. It's awesome.
It's so awesome.
But I think I did read somewhere that more like soft confirmed
that when GW modelers want to branch out and be creative
and not work within a mold, they basically tell them,
all right, go work on Age of Sigmar, go nuts.
Makes sense, yeah.
40K's got a kind of a pretty solid identity
that by this point,
whereas Age of Sigmar is a lot newer,
a lot more time to grow.
So that's part of why I imagine, but there's so many models.
Like, I got-
When it's Grand Marines.
When they're scathing Age of Sigmar models,
like when the range refresh of Skaven comes in,
it's game over.
I mean, you can, like towards the end times,
you can tell some of those models were probably made
with AOS in mind with it coming out soon.
Like Vanquil's model is bigger than-
I swear I just saw you shudder for a moment there.
He was like, oh.
Oh.
That's his vinegar strokes.
And it's like, the thought of Skaven new models,
like, oh my God, my bank.
By the way, Neon LF Graves donated two euros saying,
happy new year.
Happy new year.
Happy new year, brother.
Thank you so much.
That's like a hundred billion dollars.
I know.
Man.
Most concerning thing.
Imagine how much poutine you could buy.
Everyone voting on this poll.
I appreciate, I understand insulin pump noises are worrying.
I'm much more concerned if my car starts making loud,
unfamiliar noises than my mom.
Oh my-
Neon Graves again, thank you, sir.
Thank you, Neon Graves.
That was $1,000.
What are you on about, sir?
Thank you for that.
But also, dude, everything is sold out.
I know what he means though.
I think he means in terms of GW
have not given it their full weight behind it.
If you know what I mean.
Like it feels like an army refresh.
I'm a bit out of the loop,
but I've seen Bretonnia stuff and Tomb Kings.
Yep.
They made rules for other armies.
But of course, my,
the two armies that I've kept for the last decade
are basically two armies and are in PDFs
and they're not getting a book this edition.
So I'll just go with fricking,
whatever.
It's like-
There's stuff that could have been done better.
I mean, always, but I don't think it's dead on our,
I mean, like I'm looking at the store right now
and the first two options like on the shop are,
you can't buy them.
They're out of stock.
Yeah, my buddy checked it out.
Sorry, you keep it.
My buddy checked it at like 11.30
and it came out at 11 our time and it was sold out.
Right.
So the thing is doing okay.
Yeah, like it's, yeah, there's a lot,
like they could have kept the ranges for,
dark elves, ogres and stuff,
but also on the other hand,
you can still get those models pretty easily.
All of them are in AOS.
From a rules point, it does suck.
Those are legacy armies,
but in terms of models, you still buy them.
They're just over an age of sigma.
Yeah, no, yes.
What?
Was that, I heard a whisper from somewhere,
I don't know where that is.
We don't support piracy
or any of those things on law crimes.
Cetra's back.
I mean, you can't be angry.
Cetra's back.
Yeah, true.
Yeah, that fixes all of my,
my depression is immediately gone.
The fact that Cetra is imperishable.
So I too must be imperishable for Cetra.
Absolutely.
Exactly.
My beating heart for that bony skeleton man who will not die.
Calcium King.
My calcium King.
One more little tangent for the models
before we can pass it on.
Just the sheer variety of them is also great.
Like, you know, again,
some are definitely more loved than others,
you know, space Marines, you know.
I think it's clear who GW's favorite child is.
Same for the Stormcast over in ALS.
But even like underappreciated factions,
like, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me,
let me pull up the web store real quick.
I think Trippie Imp Buy,
there's no vampire counts as the worst.
And that's dead ass true because I'm-
Yeah, that has counts.
In the old world, like what the heck?
Yeah, that is trash.
By the way, Jeremy Golden has donated $5 saying,
question for the group, best kit to build.
Mine is Wraith Lord or the Skyrunners.
Thank you.
That's a hard question.
And that was their first super, I believe.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Jeremy, thank you.
In terms of easiest, I put together,
God Trick was pretty easy for me to assemble.
Probably a Rhino tank for me.
Honestly, that's easiest, I think.
I'd say.
Unless someone else had issues with that.
I haven't put one together.
Most fun to put together for me,
that was probably the Wraith Knight I got.
That was fun because it's got a lot of options.
You could bend the knees and make it all sorts of different.
Honestly, just me, Primaris, anything that doesn't require,
like you have to join like something holding two-handed.
Anything that's two-handed.
They don't have like the issue
where they have to get the shoulders and then the arms.
Every Eldar model ever is just like agony
that you could put together.
Dark Eldar Incubi are the worst with that.
I mean, as someone who's literally just getting back
into the model stuff now that I have a space
to do some painting and stuff,
I've recently discovered that there are push-click models.
Are they very limited or are there's like?
Push to fit is usually edition launches.
Yeah, the starter box.
Such as Leviathan had a lot of,
I mean, I bought some Stern Guard for that.
I don't know why I did that.
They're so trash right now.
But they looked cool and I will suffer through that.
My bad, but that push to fit is pretty, I mean, no glue.
Honestly, I would actually, I know people complain like,
maybe Eli will disagree with me on this
about how the posing is obviously like back in the day,
you can do multi-posing or pose as you want.
When I'm trying to get things tabletop ready,
I'm really not trying to make it that interesting.
When I did Kill Team though,
I have thought then like Kill Team model,
I thought, oh, I need to make that special.
But because he's like, he's in like five models
when it's an individual, but I'm making an army.
I'm like, you know, at the beginning,
but towards the end of the army, you're kind of like,
okay, I don't care as much anymore.
It just now look as good.
I did see a post today that was like a guy on Reddit
talking about he bought a death company like kit.
And it was just, there were no alternate weapons.
They're all in one pose.
It's like, this is trash.
I could get intercessors and I could make them look
death company rather than buying this specific bunch of them
that I can't change the poses.
I can't change the weapons blah, blah.
And I was like, as a layman, I was like,
they don't look cool though.
I think that guy's got a big gun.
That's kind of cool.
I just realized we got this.
Oh, Colin's dying.
Loud, dying these noises, pardon me.
I just realized we got this far in,
and I was like, oh, he didn't mention
what the new question of the week was.
Wednesday, hashtag love Warhammer.
So you meant to just sort of give us,
why you love Warhammer, why you've kind of gone into it,
perhaps a nice story about it.
Yeah, just share with the boys, share with the boys.
This is a safe space for your Warhammer stories.
Other than that, I guess Colin, do you have a?
My last little thing was just variety.
There's a lot of armies that could use more.
I don't think it's that controversial statement.
I think the sisters could use it
because you could use a little bit of variety in the range.
That being said, there are 36 options on their store page.
That is 36 different varieties of thing you can do.
And I think obviously one of them is gonna be the codex
and a couple might be like upgrade screws.
So bump it down a little bit, but that's a lot.
That is a lot of models.
Obviously compared to some of the armies that have a ton,
but in a vacuum, it's like you have any army you pick.
Fire Slayers, I pulled them up right now.
Not counting the codex, that's 17 things you can buy,
18 with codex.
That is 17 varieties of naked redheaded dwarves
you can get.
That is a lot.
I understand for as an army, yeah,
they could use a lot of different things that they don't have,
but like terms of just getting models, that is a lot of variety.
I think Crimson Glory, he's also put,
thank you again, Crimson Glory.
He's put, I'm a mechanic, I can help with car issues.
Thank you.
But can you fix Colin's insulin pump
that's just beeped right now?
No, that beeping, was it working as intended?
It let me know I need some insulin.
Or was it?
It was.
If it's not working as intended, I'm gonna collapse.
If you turn blue all of a sudden, we'll know why.
Yeah.
If you ask it, drowsy,
drowsy, I can't even speak,
drowsy or slurred speech boys, he's not drunk.
But I get what you mean, Colin, it's like, yeah,
like any other tabletop army building game,
they'd be like, oh, this is a ton of options,
but because it's Games Workshop and there's so much,
it feels limited compared to what else,
like Space Marines, it's like, there's a billion options.
So like, yeah, and like you say, in the vacuum,
it's a big thing.
Yeah, to put it in perspective, Warhammer Bros,
there's Lord of the Rings armies with one unit,
one unit.
And they're awesome, but yeah.
Which factions may I ask?
The Wild Men of Dunedin.
Oh, the Dunedin.
Yeah, and then like ghosts,
the Dead Men of Dunharrow have like four units maybe,
but you can make an entire army out of the four units,
which is what's cool about the game.
Just gonna go like, haven't I seen you somewhere before?
It's like, no, I'm a dead man.
Yeah, we should say like as Warhammer fans,
we do kind of not realize how spoiled we are
in terms of like how, again, like you look on,
particularly online or social media stuff,
it's very much, we're a little bit wet wipes sometimes,
we're like, we're kind of as a community
constantly complaining.
Yeah.
But I will continue to complain about noise marines
for the rest of my life.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
Yeah, my point wasn't that, you know,
don't complain about it.
There's a lot of things
that you can do better with their models.
It's just that in a vacuum,
Warhammer models are great.
The only thing I've seen,
the only two I've seen comparable are one,
I think it's called Flames of War,
which I don't count because it's a World War II game.
Yeah, it's real life.
It's like, yeah, the militaries have a lot of stuff in them.
You don't get credit for that
because you're just copying and pasting a history book.
Models are cool, but again,
you took a picture of a German and American soldier
and made it a mini.
That's just a Panzer tank.
What it must be to live as a person
who like gets up in the morning, has their coffee,
and then they're into like the World War II miniature site,
and they see like a miniature Sherman tank,
and they nut emotionally from that.
What a wild way to live.
Speaking of, if you have nothing else, Colin,
I do have a good leap off there.
Yeah, it's just there's that,
and then there's one that Kings of War,
and that also has a lot of variety.
That's called not Warhammer is what I like to call it.
It's which, valid, but yeah.
Have you guys seen that there's this weird tabletop
where all the models are like really big?
It's like a little,
like really big, it's like all like Conquest or something.
I saw it being played on the,
on like a tournament the other day.
It's like they've got square bases,
and they have like dinosaurs and stuff.
It's like the last argument of Kings, does that sound?
Maybe, I don't know.
One of the models is like a big stegosaurus
with like guys on it and stuff.
You could probably take models from that
and make exodites though, which would be cool.
But then again, I just love the fact that like,
recently GW is on like the epic scale of Horus.
It's like, you're going so big.
We're going so small.
Look at this little guy.
He's a space man.
Look at this tightness, only so big.
Epic is really cool actually.
Yeah.
It's epic.
I saw it.
I went to Gryffcon last year and I saw some people,
they had the minis and I was like,
how did you do the lunar wolves icon that small?
I think it's easier because once it's that small,
it can be a little bit shite.
And then you can, we were standing far back.
The lines were so crisp.
I'm like, you talented buggers.
How dare you?
My apologies, Hal.
There's one more thing I want to remember.
No, it's okay.
This is Grand Tangent.
This is, these models made me so angry when I found them.
They're not Warhammer at all.
It was, I was just looking up like just cool mini war games.
Like I did a video.
It's like, look at the fucking mini games
that aren't Warhammer.
These are cool minis.
I found one of them.
I can't find it again.
But it was called like Byzantine infantry or something.
It was a dude on a horse. That's not infantry.
First of all, that is a terrible thing.
And like nine other guys, I'm like, this is, first of all,
this is like $200 for 10 minis.
You are out of your mind and they're not big minis.
They're standard infantry.
Second of all, this isn't the Byzantine empire.
This is the Elder Scrolls.
This is the Skyrim empire.
This is not the Byzantine empire.
You are not a historical war game.
This is fantasy.
Don't call them Byzantine.
That made me so angry when I saw that
for no discernible reason.
I just pissed me off.
Baby rage.
I was baby mad.
I was baby mad hard there.
I was angry when I saw that.
It's not Byzantine.
This is Skyrim.
It's expensive.
And the models look like shit.
Damn.
The Skyrim models are cool.
The Elder Scrolls one.
They're cool.
I did see a new place I'm in.
There was a kid screaming and it was like that scream of like,
it's not a scream.
It's like a guttural like,
yeah.
It was like visceral.
That was Colin where there's like gurgling
and like they just retch noises out.
And you're like, that was just like,
that's not Byzantine.
No.
Like that.
That's, yeah, that's what happened.
Yeah.
Well, I'll admit.
Well, speaking of something that Colin ends
with talking about variety,
that's actually kind of where I'm gonna start my rant.
So why do I love Warhammer?
I'm gonna, you know, as the iceberg descends,
we're gonna get a bit deeper,
but we'll start nice and simple.
The visuals.
Holy crap.
How iconic is the Space Marine?
Like I just, it grabs you like nothing kind of,
even on just like a White Dwarf magazine,
like nothing else quite has that iconic silhouette.
Even if you see like historical.
Those thick, juicy pauldrons are just.
Those pauldrons got me acting sus.
Sus with a source.
And even just then on the visual,
I think of, as Colin said, the variety.
I mean, just even from how different Space Marines are.
I mean, obviously just like,
you could say it's a color palette change
from an Imperial fist to something else,
but the actual visuals of how Space Marine legions,
particularly just, they were kind of unique
in their own way.
And you can tell how people are drawn to different ones.
Because again, like each of them are so unique.
They speak.
Like none of us, I think any of us here,
have felt the favorite chapter,
same favorite chapter, same favorite legion,
because of how much those visual likes are tuned into
to sort of how it resonates with you.
And then I wouldn't want to neglect,
dare I say neglect, just talking about Space Marines,
because Xenos in Warhammer actually look pretty sick.
I do have to say though, elves,
unfortunately is one of the few things I do find
that I'm not as drawn to.
So Eldar, I mean, elves actually.
Everyone has taste.
Elves in Warhammer fantasy.
He's looking finger guns at the camera
and Colin just going.
Elden Warhammer fantasy to me.
I love Lord of the Rings, I Elven armor.
Like that stuff goes hard for me.
Eldar, unfortunately I'm not as drawn to.
I find it a bit too power rangey.
And again, I had, although to be fair,
in the Dawn of War, as much as this is a weird reference,
Dawn of War III, the trailer and the banshees,
the handling of banshees and that,
and that kind of that old like desecrated like bone look.
That's what I always thought Eldar should be.
It was like, it's actually like ornate old armor
rather than, you know, you know,
Sorus I choose you or something,
and then they pop out something.
Cause I can imagine them, you know,
what was the power range that I stopped watching?
It was the ninja one.
That's like my last cutoff,
just letting people know how old I am.
Yeah, but aliens in Warhammer just do kind of hit hard.
Like even like Necrons, Necrons itself is not,
there's nothing utterly unique about Necrons.
They're all kind of like a pop culture thing,
but it's smashed together and then it becomes its own thing.
And again, like the look of it,
particularly like the, you know, Kitan shards,
as Colin was saying with the model earlier,
the Kitan shard of the void dragon
is a pretty like, that's like a on the tabletop model.
You kind of, you stare at it.
You can't help but stare at all Warhammer models,
like centerpiece models,
you cause can't help but stare at them.
And I will go a bit deeper then into this love of Warhammer,
which is my second point,
which is Warhammer offers something that
all other franchises can't quite be,
which is it's the complete package
in terms of Warhammer has fantastic lore,
fantastic, you know, visual models, the tabletop.
You can be someone who doesn't actually have to enjoy
every single part of it,
and yet you can enjoy a niche within it.
But then it's, again, this is so much of it.
And I think even particularly on the lore side,
we are, you don't, again,
we don't know how spoiled we are for,
not every book is the best thing ever,
but we are spoiled for how well some books
in this franchise are written.
How many other IPs have 400 plus books?
None.
Every single Space Marine Battles book is a work of art.
Ha ha ha.
Shame about the Unari books, sorry Colin.
Yeah.
It's all right.
Oh, so Sean.
The first step in the coping process is accepting.
The co-opian.
Oh, Sean wants to say hello everyone, hello Sean.
Hi Sean.
Yeah, just Warhammer itself kind of,
the only downside about liking Warhammer
is that all the other franchises,
you kind of love dies for them a little bit
because you always hit an endpoint.
Like Lord of the Rings,
I'm sure many of us have loved things like
Lord of the Rings, Star Wars,
maybe you knew it like Dune and things like that.
You kind of hit an endpoint where there's nothing more,
there's no deeper, you know,
so it's just using an iceberg here,
there's no deeper level to go,
or like that's the end of the content.
Warhammer is the thing that keeps on delivering.
And if we are honest, as much as people complain,
delivering high quality stuff on the regular,
you know, we are getting models pretty much every month.
We get lore every couple of, you know,
new novels every couple of months,
and we have an enormous compendium
of which even four of us here who probably read
and like delve through most of it every day,
we still have so much more to go
and we are continually going along that path.
I'll move up a little bit faster
because I've got a big, I might go with my tangent
way too long.
By the way, just to give you a brief,
Jeremy Gordon donated $5 and said,
Andy should down that beer.
I will say this is actually a cider.
Thank you for the donation, this is a cider.
We can't down a beer now.
I'm slowly sipping it because I'm busting for a wee.
I don't want to cause extra trouble.
Thanks, Judas.
Yeah, so I see where it has my name on it.
That's cool.
A little bit further down into this is,
I'm going to talk about some of my favorite novels,
just a little bit, just like a rant about how
here we go, that's what this is.
If Andy, if you want to go off and unleash the snake,
if you know what I mean.
I kind of want to hear your novels first,
and then I'll go.
Well, I'll name them off.
I've got Horrors Rising, A Thousand Suns,
Master of Mankind and Yarik, Piers of Armageddon.
Okay, cool.
That's the sort of collection that I've enjoyed,
it's like top tier books.
I'll start with Horrors Rising.
Not many people need to have a sort of reason
about why this book is so good, sorry, so good.
But just honestly, this book is the one,
the feeling that just shows you how different it is
to other franchises in which it sets,
the entire world and universe is set up rich and complete
within one novel, and you don't have to read
any of Warhammer before it.
You get an idea about how big the Imperium is,
the mindset of the people within it.
You get introductions to characters such as
Logan, Horus, and iconic people.
And yeah, basically, Horrors Rising, great book.
It's the reason that I recommend anyone who's into Warhammer
to read that book or Eisenhorn.
You know, I'm just naming off a few of my favorite books,
just to cue you in there.
Second one I said was A Thousand Suns.
The reason I chose one, not everyone is a,
as a bigger fan of this as I am.
The reason I like this book is because it's very much,
it just feels like it's the most,
out of all of the books in Warhammer,
like a lot of them is just kind of,
when people talk about like Gaunt's Ghosts and things like,
often, you know, early books that people talk about,
you know, that's, oh, you want to read Warhammer, read that.
It's often in that way, like it's just Space Marines,
it's army, it's sort of like,
it's kind of following a similar formula.
A Thousand Suns is one of the few books I've read
where I thought this actually feels like a magical,
like proper sci-fi franchise,
where it's, there's like weird esoteric
and mystery to the universe.
And I just think it's a great,
it's a long book, I'm not gonna lie,
but then it just, and all the characters in it
feel like very well-rounded characters.
And some of them, as much as I'm infuriated
by Magnus the Red, which to be fair,
it makes me feel that way because I see
the downfall of his, you know, his folly, his arrogance,
and you see it, and you can actually have an opinion
like that of someone because you care.
It's better than, you know, I think of like Star Wars,
now the quality of like Star Wars characters
makes me want to actually yell.
I tried to watch Ahsoka recently and that honestly,
again, like once you know Warhammer,
you can't go back because it's just a bit,
it's just been too shite.
Clone Wars Ahsoka though, hang on, Clone Wars Ahsoka,
Clone Wars Ahsoka.
Yeah.
That's different, Clone Wars animated, that's different.
I was not even the same.
Completely unrestrained by the live action, yeah.
But I mean, to be honest, I've drifted away
from Star Wars since, again, when I was young,
the prequels were released.
And then things like The Old Republic came out,
Republic Commando, The Clone Wars, and then I was like,
I don't really care as much about the movies,
more of the extended universe because that's where I find,
like I tried to get into the books about like,
oh, here's Luke Skywalker with his Sith girlfriend,
and I'm like, it's kind of difficult to get into,
but then like, oh, Revan, that's cool.
Oh, what's her name?
Old Republic Two.
Oh, the-
Nihilus?
Sith lady.
Oh, Kyra, Kyra, I don't, some of the kids.
Yeah, her, that lady.
And then that girl was like apathy is deaf
and all your friends turn against you,
like, oh, this is cool.
And then The Old Republic I played and I was like,
oh, it's fine, the online, the Mammorpaga.
I was like, it's fine, I play as a clone trooper
because I'm edgy, but it was good.
Or a trooper, I should say.
Yeah, but Warhammer has that thing where like,
we're spoiled for choice and like,
whatever faction you like, there's stuff to delve into,
even if unfortunately, the Inari kind of lets the side down,
but oh well.
For now, yeah.
At least it's not as bad as Votan who have no books, so.
Yeah.
I just had a weird-
I mean, honestly, would you rather no books
or Inari books?
That's a hard choice.
That's a hard, that's-
Talking a hard place.
That's a, yeah, it's difficult there.
I was, I just see a meme of something recently,
which was, yo bro, wake up, it's 2006
and it's Battlefront One and you're in the ice caves.
Oh, so good.
I've come up with a map, but it was just like,
I remember seeing that and then I was like,
whoa, that took me back.
Yeah.
Battlefront One and Two, the older ones.
Oh, I don't know how many hours.
They're so good.
Felucia.
Oh.
Do you know how many times as a kid
I failed that opening part of the mission
and we had to like defend the thing.
Independent, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Best games, some of the best games ever made.
In my childhood.
And I can't forget Republic Commandos,
which I think I've completed probably five times.
And I used to do them back to back at one point
because I was trying to save Sev.
I'm sorry, boys.
I just couldn't.
You can't do it.
I remember when Revenge of the Sith came out in cinemas,
the day or two before the video game version came out
and I remember playing the video game.
And then I went to the cinema with my sister
and I was just like, I know what's about to happen
because General Grievous is in there.
But they like slightly changed some of the cinematics
where there's the bit where like in the film,
General Grievous is like activate ray shields.
And then in the game, he just kind of goes,
Ruh-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah-hah.
And I go, oh, that was a sneaky way
to stop me getting some insight
into what the film was gonna be about.
Naughty. Bastards.
Yeah, so I was gonna, my next book I was gonna talk about,
which I wanna really go into,
which well, not too much today, unfortunately,
but Master of Mankind, Horus Heresy.
This is the actual book that changed,
like it just changes the entire,
like the Horus Heresy is a before and after for me
at this point, because it's the only book
that actually delves into the mind of the emperor
of mankind, the closest we'll ever get, probably ever.
And it finally kind of acts like a massive,
I wouldn't say a justification,
but it goes into the fact of why the heresy is even possible.
It kind of just takes him down a peg of like,
he's amazing, he's incredible, whatever,
but he's not, he's literally not a god,
he's not all seeing, he's not all knowing.
He's so close to that, but yet he's still not that.
And it's like, I don't even wanna talk about spoils
in the book, but he had some of the scenes in that book,
which is the emperor's charge in the web way,
which is still probably one of the best written scenes
in the Horus Heresy.
Like they just, it literally described like the sun rises
in an-
I would say, yeah, that's-
It's hard to-
I don't like, that goes hard.
It's hard to explain that,
because the entire book is just been like,
we are loo, it's like, we are just dying here.
And then that one moment is, it reminds like,
the Black Gate charge with Lord of the Rings.
And that was, when you hear that,
du du du du du du du du,
I think every dude here goes,
oh God, I gotta get my-
The best film is The Roherim.
Du du du du du du du du du du du du du.
The ride of the Roherim.
Du du du du du du du du du du.
Ride, ride.
Ride for ruin.
And the world's ending.
Dang.
See, I don't even have to say anything.
The ride that Roherim just gets boys sweating.
Yeah, and that one going, the horse going.
Oh my God.
He's gonna get him.
He's gonna, and they all shit themselves.
It's great.
God, love it.
Oh my gosh.
I'm gonna, I'm about to watch that soon.
I can't wait.
And the last book I have chosen, which is Yarick,
The Piers of Armageddon.
This book is, it's an actual crime
if this book is never like an animated thing
or a movie one day.
It is genuinely like the most well-crafted scene setting
in all of Warhammer,
where you actually genuinely feel scared of orcs
to the level of like it truly captures scale
and how weak and pathetic humans are in this setting.
And generally like it, that book,
I can't believe how quickly like it just,
like it is a long book, but you kind of read it so quick.
Generally like that.
Still now I get goosebumps thinking about some of the things
in that book.
Very cool.
And so those are kind of like my four recommendations,
which was like Horus Rising, Thousand Suns,
Master of Mankind and Yarick, The Piers of Armageddon.
Although I should mention Eisenhorn for people,
just because, you know, gets people into it.
And the last part I have for Warhammer,
the very kind of last point I wanted to make
is the general underlying theme of Warhammer itself.
And having read quite a lot of Warhammer
and talking about it for a living,
I feel like I'm getting to some kind of good conclusion
about it, which is essentially what grimdark means.
And grimdark being a gritty universe
where we see like human society lives by the tenets
of our very worst impulses.
And yet buried beneath that like deeply oppressive
and horrific, I mean, not only that,
I also need to put this word in here, badass,
because Warhammer just is, buried beneath
that deeply horrific and oppressive thing
is the smallest little bit of hope in Warhammer lore.
That tiny little thing that,
the smallest amount that allows people to yell
and scream as they loose a Maz line of a million men,
because there's something at least worth dying greatly for,
or no, dying horrifically for.
Even during the genocide of an entire planet,
there's a guardsman trying to save his child or something.
There's a splinter of humanity in an ocean of terribleness.
Or even in the recent, the fall of Cadia novel,
when the planet is broken
and they thrown the Blackstone fortress into it
and it's cracking apart,
some of the last Cadian regiments are quickly gathering dust
into their canteen things to gather the last dusts of Cadia
as the planet breaks.
And you like,
we're getting some of the turf from Wembley.
Honestly, it makes you have goosebumps,
like things like that, like small little things you got,
because you understand how crazy that impact is
on the human psyche, particularly.
And,
Isn't there a, oh sorry,
No, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Wasn't there, it was a question, wasn't there like the,
some of the last things on Cadia was like,
lasgun trails firing off in the atmosphere
as the planet is cracking beneath them,
like after it cracked, you could still see like the,
the ghost of lasgun firing.
They're running out of air,
but they're like, we're going down,
we're going down swinging.
I think, oh,
All the imperial hate leaving my body
as I read a single imperial guard book.
Yeah.
It's so hard, would you?
Crimson glory again, he says,
at Colin, I started a personal project to take a loot bug
and add a button that plays yippee every time
while I wait for Nurgle's gift to end.
Best, I'd be getting well soon, Crimson glory.
And,
Safe recovery.
As I was saying, yeah.
So there's like that last little sliver of hope
in these like grim dark stories.
And it's all people can do to hold against the tide.
And the Imperium itself, its beliefs, its creeds
are purposely portrayed as much as like,
there's a side of Warhammer, which is like,
oh, you know, for the lols, you know, for the Imperium,
is genuinely portrayed negatively for a reason,
because the authors are trying to sort of show us
that this universe is so awful.
And it comes from a time in particularly,
as much as like, you know, Warhammer is quite British
in its sense of like, it's very depressed, depressive.
Yeah.
Just tube strikes and terrible stuff, you know.
Because it speaks to like how the difference in wealth
and like particularly the UK is like great.
Like, you know, it's all concentrated in a certain bracket,
but not too much into that.
But it's just like, the Imperium itself is like,
this is the result of like extreme societal backslide.
It's, you know, and you even see like,
you meet the Imperium like in the second,
particularly like the Horus Harrison,
or like first like, you know, Horus Rising and False Gods.
And it's said by like the character, Karel Sunderman,
he betrays like the ultimate downfall of humanity
is basically when things start to be suppressed
and essentially all the things we aspire to,
which are like knowledge and sort of excellence
and sort of general acceptance and things.
Those things start to get downtrodden by charismatic figures
such as like Horus, you know, basically,
it's sort of is the repeating thing in our history
of charismatic leaders sort of eventually turning on us.
Which is, I'm not the, we're not,
they're not the first people in Warhammer novelists
to talk about that.
It's kind of a running thing.
Even Star Wars is basically that as well.
Like George Lucas said, it's, you know,
the Emperor Palpatine is that.
And it just shows you like how much essentially humanity
is doing to repeat history, not because of necessarily,
well, also we should not forget
the machinations of first in gods,
but it's also essentially we are our own,
we are our own architect, our own destruction.
And what I find interesting leading off that point
of Warhammer is like, for example, you said Star Wars,
the line is very clear between,
oh, the rebels are good people, the Empire is clearly bad.
And there's like, it's kind of very black and white.
And I know Arbiter Ian did a video a while ago.
Right, you're like kind of,
I know Arbiter Ian did a video a while ago
where he's just like, everyone's a baddie in Warhammer.
But what I find interesting about it is like,
you have a character like Garrow,
who's like a very like righteous, valiant, good person,
but he's in service to a tyrannical system.
And this is pre-heresy when he's fighting.
So it's like, even the good characters,
like I've just started Uriel Ventress
and the mortar factors are like, hey, you're too optimistic.
You think too much about like what you can do to help people.
And it kind of reminds me of like the man in the High Castle
where there are characters where it's like,
it's a parallel universe where the US is conquered
during World War II and they have to live
under the oppression.
And some of the officers are like,
oh, they're trying to do their best.
Or the films like The Pianist with Adrian Brody.
Like there are good people who through circumstance
have to serve oppressive regimes.
And that's kind of, I think one of the interesting
through lines of Warhammer where it's like,
yes, the system is bombing entire planets,
but like, have you seen the other guy
who's like the eats people?
Have you seen the other guy who's like literally
like a Satan worshipper and makes people into like chairs?
Like, I mean, they're not good characters,
but they're the best you're gonna get.
And sometimes there are real gems of like,
oh, if they were lucky enough to be alive
in our time period, they'd be really cool politicians
or soldiers or political figures,
but now they're in Warhammer.
So they have to like guts orcs
and also serve an oppressive regime,
but they have good qualities here and there.
Which is in New Jersey.
Which is like real life.
Just like real life, right?
Just to the extreme.
Yeah.
Okay, Crimson Glory here for another donation.
Thank you brother.
He says Warhammer's the British with how greedy they are.
Thank you.
Well, it's not really a secret.
It's very much a reflection of history
and kind of what we are born out of.
I had one last thing to finish on,
which essentially is the thing that sums up Warhammer
in a way which can still make me feel like goosebumps.
And I think everyone here probably feels a little bit
the same way about it.
If they've ever seen in Dawn of War,
the speech Gabriel, is it Gabriel?
Gabriel Angelos?
Gibbs when Exterminatus happens.
Oh yes.
And there's something unique about Warhammer,
which is the, well, it happens in other franchises,
but the Exterminatus is such a Warhammer.
Like if I was to describe Warhammer,
it's in a way it's just, you know,
it's like cathedral Gothic ship
reading out its last judgment to the mankind,
to the billions who are condemned
and the billions who, you know, shouldn't be.
And like, this is the death of a planet, a world,
its people, its cultures, memories,
everything is gone in an instant.
And this is for the greater workings of an oppressive empire
that can't allow a resource to be misused.
And it's the end and the death of all things.
I think I've got a slight snippet of it.
It is human nature to seek culpability
in a time of tragedy.
It is a sign of strength to cry out against fate
rather than to bow one's head and succumb.
Yeah, it kind of like,
I think a lot of us when we first heard that,
I think, have you guys all heard the Exterminatus
speech bit on Dawn of War 2, I think?
Yeah.
Dan, I still now listen to that
and that makes me, like, you kind of go like, oh.
I think I might have it here if it's-
I don't know if we get copyrighted.
Oh, this one's about Cyrene.
No, yeah, but-
The one from Battlefleet Gothic 2 is the one that-
Battlefleet.
One of the Battlefleet Gothics, when they're like,
you ask what right I have to do this,
I ask what right I don't have, I have to not do it.
I can't afford to let them live, isn't it?
Yeah.
It's because it's like you cut out the tree's root
and yet still, no matter what, it will fester again.
That's Battlefleet Gothic.
God, Warhammer, like, just nothing else,
like even in as much as like I've loved Star Wars
and other franchises over the years,
nothing quite hits me in like that moment of where you go,
like, in war.
Yeah, because in Star Wars, they'll blow up,
they'll blow up Alderaan and then the new ones,
they blow up like five planets and it's like,
who cares because there's no humanity.
It's like, that's just like, that's a narrative,
like, we don't know any of the people that live there,
we don't know what it's like, blah, blah,
but when someone blows up a planet in Warhammer,
it's like, oh, I understand this is a terrible thing to do,
but I don't have any other options, like,
oh, do we want the Tyranids to eat everyone
and become stronger and kill more people?
Do we want the Chaos Gods to summon a greater demon
from this planet and spread out further?
Do we want the Death Guard to make a big virus
and then infect more planets?
Like, it's that element of fatalism,
like, we have to do this,
otherwise something even worse will happen,
which is kind of the charm of the setting, you know?
I think I would finish off with just describing Warhammer
as badass hopelessness, in a way.
Yeah, that's good.
Almost hopelessness, but-
Relentless nihilism.
I mean, yeah, well, the best way I can sum it is like,
boy, it just hits different.
Why have I got me acting up and it hits different?
And again, my ever-growing horde of model collections
at this point now will just be in every,
my poor bank account, but it was fun.
It was fun going down the rabbit hole.
Oh, Crimson Glory, he says, as an inquisitor once said,
people don't think it be like it is, but it do.
It do.
Right.
Uh, there's Colin.
Dante says, what I love most about Warhammer
are the lore channels.
You guys are giga-chats.
Thank you, brother.
Seriously, thank you for the hours of dedication.
Thank you for listening to it, too.
We are nothing without people to listen to it,
and we are very much, I don't know how everyone else feels,
but we don't think of ourselves as like,
I don't think of myself as a giga-chat,
more of like, I'm just conveying someone else's genius.
And I hope you all enjoy it as much as we do.
No, mine might be a little bit similar
to what you were saying,
but first I want to agree with Colin
in that controversial opinion.
I actually think I like the old models
a little bit more than the new models.
They were a charm, weren't they?
Just for how much heart they have.
It's just, yeah.
They weren't, it's like, they weren't specifically made
to like be the best selling.
They were made to best represent
what they were representing, if that makes sense.
Yeah. Right?
So, you know, I mean, bad example for Colin, I guess,
but Space Wolves actually looks like Space Wolves.
They weren't just blue primaris Marines, right?
And Blood Angels actually looks like Blood Angels
and all that stuff like that.
I think someone said they would eat a hat
if Colin said something nice about Space Wolves.
So if Colin wants to jump in now,
say something nice.
I will remain silent.
The hat, dude, the hat.
I don't want to eat a hat
and I don't want to climb into Space Wolves.
Are we talking like a baseball cap or like a Stetson?
Yeah, someone needs to like specify the hat.
Is it a cowboy? Is it a beanie?
Beanie would be worse, I imagine.
That would choke, that's a choking hazard.
Oh man.
Sorry, I keep going.
Yeah, but like ever since playing Lord of the Rings,
I've found a new appreciation for older models.
And like there's STLs for stuff all over the place
and they look like modern and nice and flashy,
but there's something about just having like the metal,
the metal dwarf who looks super old,
but also is like super cool and charming.
It's just special.
I just really like it.
In fact, Recasts, speaking of earlier,
I may be acquiring a Talarn Desert Raiders army.
And I actually love how awesome the old guardsmen look
compared to all the new guard stuff.
And it's just so perfect.
But speaking of how things look,
I think 40K's aesthetic as a whole
is what I maybe love the most,
the art style and the like ridiculously over the top
descriptions of things, how just terribly grim it is,
but as how saying the little moments of hope and heroism
and good that's still left in the galaxy.
Things suck in general,
but overall every fashion is canonically justified
in what they do as much as it sucks, but it's the truth.
People don't like that, but it is very true.
But that's one of my favorite parts.
And I think I wanna read the excerpt from what they used
to put in the beginning of books.
I don't know if they put this anymore
so you guys can tell me, but-
They slightly altered it, didn't they?
I think just a few words there in there.
I'm gonna read it though.
It is the 41st millennium.
For more than a hundred centuries,
the emperor has set a mobile on a golden throne of earth.
He's the master of mankind by the will of the gods
and master of a million worlds
by the might of his inexhaustible armies.
He is a rotting carcass,
writhing invisibly with power
from the dark age of technology.
He's the carry on Lord of the Imperium,
for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day
so that he may never truly die.
Yet even in his deathless state,
the emperor continues his eternal vigilance.
Mighty battle fleets cross the demon-infested miasma
of the warp,
the only route between distant stars.
They're waylit by the Astronomicon,
the psychic manifestation of the emperor's will.
Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds.
Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes,
the Space Marines, bio-engineered super warriors.
Their comrades in arms are Legion, the Imperial Guard,
and countless planetary defense forces,
the ever vigilant Inquisition,
and the tech priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus,
to name only a few.
But for all their multitudes,
they're barely enough to hold off
the ever present threat from aliens, heretics,
mutants, and worse.
To be a man in such times as to be one
amongst untold billions
is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable.
There are the tales of those times.
Forget the power of technology and science
for so much has been forgotten,
never to be relearned.
Forget the promise of progress and understanding
for in the grim dark future, there is only war.
There is no peace amongst the stars,
only an eternity of carnage and slaughter
and the laughter of thirsting gods.
Mm, the laughter of thirsting gods.
Oh my gosh, it makes me emotional, it's so good.
I can't, it's unbelievable.
When you read it out loud as well,
because I'm sure we've all probably read it at some point
for our channels and all that,
and you kind of, once you finish it,
you definitely go like, well, shit.
You know what I mean?
I know the new one is the one where it's like,
forget the promise of a better future
or something like that.
Because so much has been lost blah blah blah.
It's like the carrying load on his friends.
The new one is more like very heavily like,
don't think this is gonna get any better.
This is how it is and that ain't changing.
Plutter with success.
I don't care how many Primarchs come back,
it's still terrible.
So you're like, okay, fair enough.
Both quotes are great.
Plutter with success, essentially.
Stagnation is fun.
Just things, I have just like general things
that I love though.
It's kind of a little bit all over the place,
but just the factions, how much I love them.
You go into Warhammer for me as a young guy,
a young kid, 13, 14 years old,
and you see a space marine and you read about them.
And it's just the most incredible thing you could imagine.
And even nowadays, I still just absolutely love them.
They're such incredible displays of brotherhood
and masculinity.
And they're monk-like and war-like at the same time,
and they embody the tiny sliver of hope
that's left in the Imperium.
And they are like the epitome of doing one's duty
and fighting to the end
and just doing what you're meant to do to death.
Just so incredible.
And on the other side, the Sisters of Battle
are such a great, just paragons of sisterhood and devotion
and zeal and unshakable faith.
I just love their zealotry so much.
The Tao, you know what?
For all Tao haters out there.
Oh, here we go.
Here we go, he's getting his shower.
Yeah.
Bit of a nipple.
Yeah.
I'm flexing on all the Tao haters right now.
Yeah.
I really like the Tao.
I think they're freaking cool.
I like their old picture.
Corvisa.
Their new stuff, I understand why people like the newer
Tao as much, but their old aesthetic is so cool.
I like their newer, like new fantasy aesthetic.
And I think it's okay to have a faction
that is full of hope and that an innovation
and that they still think that things can be okay.
And it especially works.
They don't know any better.
Yeah.
It especially works because they're often proven wrong.
And then they're like curb stomped.
But then they're just extremely naive all the time.
But then they get up again and they like,
they keep it moving.
The necrons.
I love that, Bill.
Yeah, the necrons.
Sorry, there's a great, one of the free books
in the Book of Martyrs, which is a sororitas book,
has Sister Anarchia, she's captured by the,
by an ethereal and the Tao.
And they're like, oh, we think we understand you
and we're trying to figure out how your faith powers work
and blah, blah, blah.
She's like disgusting blue freaks.
And she's really, really, really, really
vitriol against them.
And at the end of it, she manages to kill the ethereal
and mess every government.
It's like, you guys, you think you know everything.
And that's why your flaw is your arrogance.
It's like, yeah, your rail guns are pretty cool.
Like Dreadanons means like, come on,
let me shoot my rail gun.
And then the book's like, hold on, hold on.
I've got another role.
It's like, your arrogance is your,
and it's like the Imperium is like the most adjacent
faction of like, we had the glory
you're currently experiencing and more so,
learn from your predecessors.
Can I just add in a comment from,
as your Andy says, I was there when Horace showed Nip.
Yeah.
My favorite Tao scene is the one in the Farsight novel
where the librarian of the Scar Lords,
I think is fighting Farsight and all the others,
there's like, they're on a Tao planet
that had Tao slaves on it.
It's like a lava planet.
And basically there's Tao slaves are being broken out.
This librarian attacks Farsight
and all the slaves just like bust out of the thing.
They climb on him and drag him into the lava.
And then the Farsight just goes, yeah,
cause we have teamwork.
And then basically like people going for the greater good.
There's like a body ass like RKO body slam this space.
By the way, he says when he's punching,
he's at least eviscerating two per punch,
but they still like climb him like ants.
So love Tao in that regard.
Eli, I'm very sorry, but my favorite Tao scene is a,
DJ V brought it up.
It's the scene with Kato.
Tao was talking to one Ultraman like,
you wouldn't hit it a fenceless diplomat with you
and you can't.
You're just a good yes.
That's awesome.
That's still so even as a Tao fan,
those moments are so incredible
because reading the Tao books,
like sometimes I want them to get proved wrong
and I want them to lose
cause they're just so fricking arrogant.
And they think they know what's going on.
But in reality, like they're a tiny little sliver
compared to the Imperium.
Yeah.
And then there's something endearing about them being like,
oh, we're enlightened.
And it's like, doesn't matter.
We're going to crank you.
Like there's something about like,
oh, you should be in charge of the universe,
but you're too small.
Squish.
There's just like a fun bit of hubris in that.
There's literally a, oh no, oh no.
Oh yeah.
Oh no.
Yeah.
To be fair to that water cast of Matt,
the Marine she was talking to was hesitating.
Unfortunately,
which based on the job.
Good job.
It did not hesitate.
It's one of the best scenes in like all of Warhammer in my
opinion.
I feel like I have a quote on my phone from that Anarchy,
but cause it was so like,
Oh, it hit me.
It was so vitriolic.
I'll see if I can find it, but don't mind me.
You said Necrons, didn't you?
Yeah.
Yeah. Necron.
I will say though, the Tao,
DG Beast also brought it up.
I, the scene where Shavastos or Bravestorm,
I don't remember which one,
they take a sample of a Dreadnaught in one of the first
engagements with the Imperium.
And he discovers it's older than their entire species.
And he just like freaks out for a minute,
which is awesome.
Anyways, but yeah,
the Necrons are another moving on some of my favorite
factions, I guess,
but they're like,
the Necrons are literally the rightful rulers of the
galaxy. They freaking,
they took what's theirs and then went to sleep.
Basically,
I love their perspective of their faction and how utterly
pathetic and tiny and worthless everyone else is compared to
them. And how from our perspective,
they're like,
they're dead men walking right there in the epitome of
death. And they're just absolutely terrifying.
One of the,
arguably one of the most horrible factions to face in 40K,
but from their perspective,
they're just like a bunch of arguing robots,
but they still have a semblance of like honor and tradition
left in their society.
And some of them still follow those codes,
which there's even good left in them, which is great.
So cool.
The Gene Stealer cults, they get a lot of hate as well.
But you know what?
Another flex for the Gene Stealer haters.
For the boys.
We're gonna...
Gene Steelers, I think,
are a perfect faction for Warhammer,
even though people don't like them because they're just,
they're literally fighting to lose,
but that's what makes them so awesome and so perfect for
Warhammer.
And their perspective is so fun.
And it's such a great thing to base of action on with their
extreme devotion and zeal towards this,
towards the Emperor, which they think is the Emperor.
But in reality, it's just the Tyranids and how they think
the Tyranids are angels of the Emperor and his children.
And all this plotting and scheming to rise up and free their
people from oppression and have better lives for everyone
else. And in the end,
they achieve their holy union with the Star Children.
And you know, maybe that's a win, maybe it's not.
I just...
I love my Lovecraftian.
This is the modern iteration of Lovecraft.
Lovecraftian books, which doesn't suck.
I won't lie because Lovecraft books are cool in concept.
And then when you read them, you're like,
hurry the fuck up.
And then you can't say the names of some of them.
The gods are canceled, literally.
I found those sororitas phrases,
if you'd like to hear them by the way.
Oh yes, please.
So the first one is,
how Anarchia had learned to hate the gormless,
self-satisfied expressions of the Tao since they had made
Planet Fold, wrinkled and bald,
save for their stylized top knots,
the zenith with the bluish gray of seed-dwelling
cretaceans.
But they had no real strength under their hides.
They were feeble of limb and milky of eye.
A species so small and weak,
they had no option but to master technology or else be
wiped from the face of the galaxy.
Second one, as the ambassador came forward,
his robe swished to and fro as if he were walking to
attend a fashionable dinner,
rather than continue an interrogation.
In her experience, the Tao wore long rows that they kept
fastidiously clean when not in their contoured mesh
and plate armor.
For all their shiny war tech,
she knew from experience that Tao armor would be no
protection against the penetrative power of a bolt shell.
The holy weapons of the adeptus sororitas were more than
capable of slaying the creatures in great numbers,
even when fully dressed for battle.
What a glorious mess.
A single bolt round would make of this dressed up fool.
And finally, she says,
keep your platitudes, poor Belgoi, she said,
unable to keep a half sneer from her lips.
I spit upon your greetings.
It is pronounced Povre Belgai, said the diplomat,
though I can't expect your lump and tongue to shape such
nuanced phenomes.
His imperial Gothic was impressive,
so fluent and well practiced,
it sounded almost like it came from a human throat.
Anarchia shook her head in disgust.
She could shape the syllables of her
interrogators name just fine.
She just chose not to.
One of her few pleasures over the past few days had been to
undermine, inflame, and annoy her captor at every available
opportunity.
I love that.
Hell yeah.
Oh gosh.
Freaking Tao.
They make for such good stories.
And you root for them and you root against them at the same
time.
They're so freaking snobby.
Where like the Eldar are sloppy, but they can back it up.
The tower is just goofballs, but it's also big.
It's cool when they win.
I would like to see them fight more than just space Marines.
I mean, the tower like, oh, you're doing,
you're doing pretty good for a young species,
whereas the Necron's is like, you guys,
oh, you got mechanical dementia.
That's a shame.
Poor guys.
Like the guy, someone in the monolith,
yes, yes, poor guy.
Love me Necron's.
I also, Gene Seale calls again.
I like the perspective of how all their like hideous
and terrifying mutations do and outside observer are just
disgusting and horrid, but to them,
their blessings from the, you know,
from the forearm damper and they're like beautiful and
envious of people, envious of all the mutations and all the
wacky goofball stuff.
But my gosh, I think there's perfect.
The Imperial guard naturally, I also have the Eldar.
I forgot to put them on here, but you know, that's just,
Eldar books don't really exist anyway, so it's fine.
Well, Eldar armor though.
That's the point where we have to either agree or disagree.
Eldar armor, yay or nay.
Yay, bro.
Ah, hey.
Perfect, perfectly perfect for what they do.
It's awesome.
I mean, I think the interesting thing about like,
as someone who is like not really like a fan of Eldar,
I still think they have a distinct and interesting look.
I like the soul gems.
I like the saturated color schemes.
I like, even though I have limited knowledge of the Eldar,
I can look at them and go, that's an Eldar.
Even though I don't necessarily know the nuances,
I'm like, oh, I like that.
They've got the flowing robes.
They've got sharp pointy bits of their armor.
It fits the aesthetic.
I don't know, like I understand like,
oh, light armor in Skyrim and the Elder Scrolls is kind of
cool if it flourishes and everything.
I kind of like the power armor aesthetic,
as long as it's got a combination of filigree and boldness,
if that makes sense.
Great armor, so cool.
Yeah.
It's all cool.
I love the Eldar aesthetic so much.
My hand in best craft world.
Feels it.
All right.
Yeah, and in boys.
My hand is my hand.
It's a champ, boys.
Is there anything else you want to add
to the growing hoard of love you like?
Yeah, I have a little bit more to talk about
because I want the Imperial Guard
I've been getting into lately.
Get into the Guard, go on, go on.
Yes.
We love the Guard.
Yeah, because their stories are so incredible
and they really are the true heroes of the Imperium
and there's so much variety with the thousands,
hundreds, whatever, thousands of different regiments.
Yeah.
Every story you read about them is full of both
strategy and heroism.
The characters rely on nothing but their own will
and steely nerve to fight the most terrifying things
in the galaxy against insurmountable odds.
It's inspiring, similar to the like ODSTs
and Spartans and army and Halo.
I think the Halo stories are so great
because they're all so desperate
and a lot of the Imperial Guard stories are similar to that.
They have no enhancements or in-depth
like psycho conditioning to be fearless and super strong,
but they're still out there.
Characters like Lucas Bastone are incredibly inspiring
to show how far a man can go
in such a dark and terrible universe.
The guy still went back to a nyrgal infested planet
to save one guy from his squad.
And like, you don't see that every day.
It's there's still, you know, there's still men
that fight for what's right
and for the survival of his people.
It's like, imagine the Band of Brothers TV series,
but that's every Imperial Guard book.
And like you said, the parallel of Halo.
It's like, imagine Halo without the Spartans.
It's just ODST at best.
So it's like, it's just blokes.
So it's guys and gals fighting with guns,
doing their best and being heroic.
And there's none of this super soldier stuff
because they're not around.
It's just you do what you can.
That wasn't a snob at the ODSTs.
No, no, no, it's just like, like ODST are amazing,
but it's like, that's the peak.
It's not like you go ODST and then you go Spartan IIs
and then you go Spartan IIIs and Spartan IVs.
No, it's like, that's the cap.
That's the hard limit for the guard.
What was the quote, Colin, you had about,
is it the guard, the Imperial would fall within a certain?
It was, I, like I said, I can't remember the life of it.
It's official or if I read it on like Reddit or-
Yeah, I know the one you made.
But it was like, if the space Marines all disappear,
the Imperial would fall in a year.
If the mechanic has disappeared, it'd fall in a month.
And if the guard disappeared, it'd fall in a day.
Yeah.
I just kind of hit hard that one, wasn't it?
Force of numbers.
There's trillions of guardsmen.
But like, I don't, if you think there are no good guys
in 40K, you should read some Imperial guard books
and it'll probably change your mind.
Yeah, and some of the stories-
There's good men and good women out there.
I love the Mordian Iron Guard,
where they have that whole thing where they're like,
hey, we're on our planet of Mordian and we're just defending.
And they push back a chaos space Marine
and demon infestation of their home world.
And they just keep pulling back and pulling back
and pulling back until they get to like
their final stronghold until eventually,
because another detachment of reinforcements are,
they have astropaths and psychers
and they're getting rid of the tether to the warp.
And eventually they cut the tether
and then the demons all disappear.
And it's like, they're the only guard regiment, I think,
that survived an invasion of their home world.
And it's like, that's pretty cool.
And then you've got the Catachan guys who just like-
Oh, the big nightlords.
Yeah, and like all these,
and the Talon clapping the iron warriors,
and Acadia with its last stand,
like so many of them were just like, oh,
let's be honest, if any of us were in the 40K universe,
at best we'd be in a regiment, we would be space Marines.
I mean, like Eli Manx is jacked,
but like, I mean, for the rest of us,
like we're probably best administratum,
maybe astropaths, maybe guard.
Fodder, we'd be a servitor, let's be honest, boys.
Here's a question then,
if you were to pick an Imperial Guard regiment
you could serve under, which would you pick?
Kind of like picking which one,
how do we get punched in the face?
What's your favorite ice cream,
if also someone dunked your face in it?
Either the Vestroian Firstborn,
because they have some very nice equipment, or Andrip,
or the Valhalla in 597, because Caiaphas Cain is there,
and I simply will not die, because I'm next to him.
I was going to say Vestroians as well.
Talon are also cool though, sorry,
Talon and Caddachan are also cool though,
and I think your odds of survival are a lot higher
in a regiment like Talon or Caddachan,
who use tactics that you might actually walk away from,
right?
I'm a great Talon myself, yeah,
just to live long enough to tell the tale.
Caddachan would mean you'd be an instant badass,
but you have to live on Caddachan.
Yeah.
I can do that.
Yeah.
I can die.
Oh, I had a tiny bit more, tiny bit more, sorry.
Keep going, keep going, keep going.
I'm sorry, okay, really.
Just more like how much I love the tiny,
because most people in Warhammer are bad guys, obviously,
but the little amounts of good guys
make it just so much better,
because there are good people out there.
There's like tiny little shivers of hope,
characters like, wherever you're here,
like Farsight, Lucas, who I mentioned earlier,
Yer, Kinkane, Anchi, even like Joceras from Twice Dead King
was a noble and honorable guy
who had a lot of good intentions and a lot of,
he was a good guy.
Like you could tell, at least from the book's perspective,
right, that he was a good guy.
Shadow Son, like Shadow Son,
mercy kills a white scar so that he doesn't have to be
in a dreadnought and she honorably fights Kahn
and they respect each other.
People like Eldrad, like Eldrad clearly has good intentions
and he was willing to do
what none of his people were willing to do,
even though he'd gladly see all of humanity extinct, right,
but he still put himself out there and did the work
to try to stop the most evil forces in the universe.
And unfortunately, because of GW writing,
chaos is evil and there's really no arguing
against that, I don't think, as much as I would like to,
but the way that they've written chaos nowadays,
there's just no redeeming factor like it used to be.
Yeah, but I think there's crystal clear examples
of there being good guys in Warhammer
and it's just like in real life,
no one is perfect, no one's free of sin, right?
We've all done bad things,
but people are still good people, you know?
That's the thing, I know there's been a few debates recently
about like there's no good guys,
it was like there are good guys, it's just like,
it's easy, I think the quote is something like,
it's easy to be a good person in good circumstance,
but when you live in a tough environment
and you live under a regime or whatever,
it's really exceptional to find someone
who fights against that or rejects it,
because it's like you're playing on home advantage
when it's like, oh, I live in a democracy
and I have running water and all these things,
it's like that's not a test of character or morals,
it's like when you live in those really difficult times
that real character comes out, shall we say.
And 40K is like on the extreme end of that,
it's like, yes, you have running water,
but we also tie a bunch of our people
and there is no such thing as unions or workers' rights
or freedoms and enjoy your corpse starch,
like that. Oh, that's how it is, is it? Oh, okay.
I think it also shows why the truly good people
don't necessarily have an impact
in the way they wish they would,
because they can't play within the so-called game,
if you know what I mean, like a good regimental commander
or even like Yarik, a good commissar
still has to shoot men and women that he respects,
because he has to think of the team,
and if this person's like failing,
if they're like, oh, I like you, but you've got to go.
Sorry, bro.
And I know, for example, who is it?
Yeah, Snadda mentioned that like Angro
and grew up on a crappy home, I was like, yeah,
kind of made his trajectory,
he was going to be a shitty person,
but like the lion grew up fighting in a forest,
killing stuff with his bare fists as a child.
But he turned out like he had his problems,
but he still figured it's like,
Giliman and Jagadaya had good parents,
Jagadaya had his great father,
Giliman had a father and a mother, fair enough.
Like circumstance does so much to a person's upbringing
and how they grow as a person.
There's that bit between Giliman and Angro.
And they're demigods.
Giliman and Angro when they battle,
and then Angro basically yells at me like,
oh, perfect, Giliman, you know nothing.
Courage and honor, do you even understand
the meaning of those words?
I grew up on a slave world,
you were like spoon-fed, you bitch.
You had hair and mother, put nails in my brain,
what up, you know, yeah.
That's what really separates good people
from great people though, is that,
yeah, of course, like you had a good uprising
and now you're good, but someone who had a bad upbringing
and they turn out good in the end
is what really makes a good person.
Yeah, I know it's kind of cliche,
it's like that Shindas List example
where it's like, yeah, he was like,
I know in the film they embellished it
where at the end he's just like, I could have saved more,
I could have saved more, but it's like, that didn't happen.
But like the sentiment is the same, it's like, yeah,
in tough times people step up
and that's kind of the main important thing.
Down the road.
We got a $2 from Crimson and Glory twice now.
Thank you, Crimson and Glory.
Thank you, Crimson.
Blood Pact are indeed the best renegade legion,
they're very good.
Yes.
Same with Sons of Sec.
Thank you, Crimson and Glory.
I think the last one though, Andy,
why do you love Warhammer?
It's your turn to be in the spotlight, I think.
Right.
Well, because I'm last and also because I think
you've all done a stellar job with explaining
lots of things from the miniatures,
the lore and the setting.
I just wanna focus on one thing in particular,
which I think is a nice capstone for the whole thing
and it's like, I love the community.
I've been doing a YouTube channel now for two years.
I think I've got the shortest tenure
of any of the guys here tonight.
I'm a post-COVID lad in that regard.
But I've been doing YouTube for a few years
and it's only been in the last couple
that I've been successful enough to be able to do it full time.
And I've absolutely loved creating content about Warhammer.
And when we went to Warhammer Fest,
I met up with Colin and hopefully this next year,
Eli, if you're free, I wanna give you the biggest bear hug
that I'm gonna pop your biceps, I swear.
I'll give you a big cuddle.
We'll have to bring something to do with us
while our army's there,
because I feel like that was the main thing
they wanted us to do.
Yeah, and it's just like, I mean,
I'm not exaggerating when I say that I'm a big fan
of Warhammer.
I find purpose and fulfillment
retelling stories from the universe.
And I'm so grateful and lucky to be able to do this
full time.
And the community is unlike any community
for any fantasy setting in the world.
Like Star Wars has its ups and downs.
Lord of the Rings has had a TV series recently,
but it's not as active as other IPs.
There are so many fantasy and sci-fi settings
and they all ebb and flow, but Warhammer is constant.
And I think because of the fact that we have
so many talented writers that contribute books
and codex entries and supplements,
we have so many amazing artists.
And Warhammer is a specifically unique hobby
in that practically most of the people
who are into it are creative.
Like even if you don't think that you're a creative person,
if you've painted a miniature, you're a creative person.
You've sat down, you've got a paintbrush
and you've said, I'm going to express myself
and I'm going to add a little tiny portion to the setting.
Or even if it's replicating an existing Legion or chapter,
you're adding your own little piece of like,
you're adding your own little brick to the wall,
to the fortification, to the structure of the community.
And I love it when I see brand new painters learning
how to get better at the craft
and then eventually becoming professional painters.
I love seeing law channels or meme channels.
Like, I mean, we're getting to a point now where we're,
I mean, me and Hala coming up to 100,
you two are all here calling the meal,
I read a post 100, you got your play buttons,
we'll get you soon, we're catching up.
But it's like, it's been really nice this last year
in particular, like helping some of the smaller creators
build a following and just like,
we were not building it for them.
We're just adding like advice and helping them along the way
and everyone in the community is so supportive
of like rallying around new creators who have talents
and pushing the hobby forward.
And like, the law is so dense,
there's so many of us who do law
because there's so much to cover
and we can do it through being accessible,
we can do it through being cinematic,
we can do it through being comedic,
there's all these avenues and every single piece,
every single video we do and everyone else in our sphere
who does a video, it adds to that caliber
of why this is the best hobby in the world in my opinion,
because again, it's so vast that it takes a community
of people to break it down into digestible chunks
where we can say, hey, it's really cool,
but it's intimidating and it's vast.
So let us like hold your hand
and bring you through like a bit of the painting.
If you're a beginner, bring you through some of the law,
talk to you about some of our favorite books
or some cool characters or some of the memes
that you'll get very acquainted with.
And I don't know, it might sound twee,
it might sound a bit saccharine,
but I mean, I just think that Warhammer
is specifically unique in that,
because it's a 40 year old IP,
because it's been going so long,
because there are more books in this IP than any other,
I don't think there's any other franchise
that has this vastness like amount of content in that regard.
There's so many video games and there's so many,
like we're getting a TV show soon,
like Henry Cavill, Kingsman from the Channel Islands,
he signed off, it's going ahead,
they're writing scripts, they're gonna be making stuff,
like it's happening.
And I think we're all so lucky to have
such a brilliant community supporting us
and other creators to make Warhammer,
whether it's 40K, whether it's fantasy old world
or old times, I should say, or age of Sigma,
like, I don't know, I think the community is better
than any of our community, and again,
any creator who says our community is the best
is kind of like, oh yeah, that's the done thing.
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
But like, I think honestly that the Warhammer community
is the most interesting, creative, loyal
and brilliant community there is on the planet,
just because there's so many avenues
that people can get involved into it.
And I'm sorry if that sounds a bit kind of tough.
No, let him cook, let him cook.
Bless you, Andy.
Bless you, and thank you again to Crimson Glory
for another donation.
And a fellow before that.
Because, oh sorry, I was gonna go before that,
sorry, back in a sec, Crimson.
As you were Andy, he put, love you guys in this community,
I work night shifts, so some good books for a listen.
Oh, so what, sorry, what are some good books for a listen
other than you guys?
We'll come to that in a second.
And Crimson Glory, he put, cheers to you Andy.
Keep on keeping on.
To the Law Crime crew, I hope to meet you all someday.
If you're ever at Warhammer Fest buddy,
and someone ever recognizes us,
you can have a go.
Books, recommendations, there's the classic,
Horrors Rising, Eisenhorn, if you're a newcomer.
If you're a bit more into the law,
and I'd recommend, if you want more human level thing,
anything, Yarik, I would recommend Human Thing.
Space Marine books, if you're thinking,
Horrors Heresy and some of that.
I think I said it earlier, like A Thousand Suns
is a great novel, because you don't have to read
anything before that to start that one.
Just a great book in general.
And just a general book, well,
what's a book that I can think of that I really like
that's just not on the usual, like, suspects?
I had to look at my own channel now
to think of like books.
You know where you've read so many things
that you just kind of, it all blends into one
at some point.
Yeah, and melding.
Yeah, it's got your good Felix for me.
Those are all one book that kept on going,
as far as I'm concerned.
May I offer something that I found
really interesting recently?
Just because I was doing all Blood Angels content
last month, I read the Blood Angels Omnibus,
which is about Sergeant Raffin.
There was a lot of stuff in those books.
I was like, wow, this is so cool.
And no one talks about it like the Blood Angels Civil War.
And I was like, what?
And it's like, oh, yeah, like Raffin had a blood brother.
He's like younger brother who was like the reborn sanguineous.
And there's a lot of weird stuff
and like Astaroth the Grim afterwards is like,
I'm gonna cut your head off.
He's like, no, don't.
And then he kills Fabius Spile like four times,
but it's the clone.
So it doesn't go like, this is really cool.
And like, it's that whole thing of old lore
doesn't get the limelight a lot,
but it's really cool when you delve into it.
Last few ones are people rightly point out,
Kyphus Kane, clearly the Death Guard, clearly.
That's a joke by the way,
people before they think they've got Death Guard.
Kyphus Kane, damn good one there.
I forgot what I was gonna say now, damn it.
But the other one, damn it.
No, God's Way of Phoenix is always a great book
to be fair and oh, what was the one I was looking for?
White Scars.
White Scars, the book called Scars,
which is about Jagatoh Khan is the best Primark book
because it just is, don't know why.
The guy, Chris Wray who writes.
Chris Wray is brilliant.
He's now like kind of the best author at the moment
where like his books just hit solidly and he's not missing.
You know, when a guy, that guy is cooking in good lore.
Yeah.
Let me pull up a special omnibus that I don't know
what I know.
Oh, here we go.
Excited.
See where I put that bad boy.
List of VTubers.
So many chairs in his bedroom.
VTubers with Boston accents.
Prime reading material right here.
It's just called Elves.
I have that book.
I have that book, Colin.
It's not even Elves, it's just Elves.
Because it's fancy.
The original copy of Elves.
Oh, may I recommend a Space Marine Battles novel.
Oh, nice.
Believe it or not, Pandorax.
Oh, yeah.
It's a cool book.
With, what's his name?
Epiphemius from the Dark Angels.
Yeah.
Original Titan.
Yeah, that's probably the best Space Marine novel
I've ever read.
Poor guy though, geez.
Yeah, that ending.
It makes Great Ice look so cool though.
And even like the cat shans and everybody on that.
And I don't know if you can find an RDO book for it,
but Fire Warrior.
If you don't like, if you think Tau are like freaking pansies,
you should read Fire Warrior.
The Dyr Slayer of the Tau.
Oh my gosh.
Far Sight is great as well.
I was surprised it had great The Far Sight books.
Yeah.
Those are my favorite series.
And the Fabius Bile series is phenomenal.
The Twice-Dead King books,
obviously I'm a big fan boy for them.
Yeah.
Infinite Divine.
Slaps.
It's a great book.
I must admit, I enjoyed Twice-Dead King
more than Infinite and Divine.
Yeah, me too.
I think Infinite Divine's more of a,
like that should be someone's first Warhammer book.
Because it just, that will, you'll never look at Warhammer.
You'll be like, oh, that's flipped my,
what I thought Warhammer is and this is what it is.
It has a nice like introduction of here's the thing,
here's the thing, here's the thing.
Oh, here's a bit of Gene Steelers.
Here's some Inquisitor.
Honestly.
Oh, cool.
I'd recommend Infinite Divine for people
who aren't even in a Warhammer.
I think it's just a...
Yeah, it's a nice book.
It's an Eisenhorn book.
Eisenhorn books, the trailers.
Yeah, I don't know if we said that already.
I just have one book that's just not Warhammer
that I've read recently.
And I just, if someone's working night shift,
they ought to get through hours, by the way.
This book is good.
It's, has anyone heard of Stormlight Archive?
Oh my gosh, don't get me started.
Yeah, The Way of Kings.
I love it.
Oh my gosh, The Way of Kings is one of the best books ever.
The Way of Kings, by the way, is like by Brandon Sanderson.
Brandon Sanderson.
Who, by the way, I actually, I only learned his name
because he was recommended by Henry Cavill in an interview.
He said that guy's cooking some serious fantasy books.
Colin, Andy, it's a long audio book, I won't lie.
It's like 30 hours, but.
Okay.
But, honestly, it's one of the few books
where you kind of go, I really need to stop listening
to this because it's too long.
I need to like do stuff, but it just cooks good.
And Brandon Sanderson is one of the few fancy writers
who, by the way, the guy is like the opposite
of whatever J.R. Martin is.
George Martin?
Yeah, he's the opposite of that.
This guy is constantly bashing them out.
And even says like, he puts like a clock timer
on his website saying, this is when the book will be done.
And I'm working on three books at the same time.
Guy finishes series for other authors who have like died
or can't finish.
He can't finish the Wheel of Time.
Yeah, he's probably gonna be doing that
for a song or a license fire.
That's honestly, he's the only person who could.
Everyone wants him to, but George won't let him, so.
Well, maybe if George would write a goddamn book.
George has a contingency plan with a couple of writers
who are like the most nerdy,
into-the-law, Game of Thrones people.
And I know this for a fact, he has a contingency
that if he passes away, they know where the book's going
and they can finish it.
But he's like, George, just finish the book
and you can get live when it premieres.
It'll be great.
You can have a glass of wine and some cheese
and it'll be great.
Whoever finishes that.
Yeah, I don't think Brandon Sanderson's style
is really fits Game of Thrones world anyways.
Brandon's just a bit too, like the people like seem like,
actually, like Game of Thrones is-
They can be good people.
They're just actually hoping it and that stuff, yeah.
But like, there are decent people there.
Yeah, and his books are just as much about the universe
than that as the characters, right?
So, that's what we're building.
I like Game of Thrones just because of the actual map
and things like that and like,
you know, dragons and a shire and stuff.
The only thing about Game of Thrones is like,
as far as I can tell, it's similar to how I perceive
Star Wars, where it's like, Game of Thrones is kind of
ended, at least with the TV shows.
Like, there was the stuff that happened before
and then this happened and it's kind of over.
Like, where do you go from,
oh, we've killed the White Walkers.
How's the dragon, yeah, it's pretty cool though, yeah.
With United all the kingdoms, Bran's king, like, ah,
like, the conflict's over.
Listen, we don't need to bring up everyone's trauma
about seasonal Game of Thrones to me.
Yeah, Game of Thrones, I think, did an exceptional job
at killing every bit of hype their franchise had.
Yeah.
How's the Dragon is somewhat reviving that.
And people are like- But it's pretty cool, right?
Yeah, but it's still bringing interest into the setting
as much as like, Warhammer.
I mean, fair, the equivalent is like,
then essentially going, so then Gilamon died
and then like, fucking Trajan,
whoever the captain of the Custodians is,
becomes the new emperor or something.
You'd be like, oh, huh?
You know, that would be like,
and then the Warhammer's over and it's 50K.
Like that would, that's honestly the equivalent.
I know, I wrote a treatment for a new Star Wars trilogy.
I could renew Star Wars.
I have a trilogy idea, but I don't have any idea
what they would do with Game of Thrones.
It's like, ah, it's kind of over.
Star Wars misses, Star Wars doesn't know what it is.
It's just like, Warhammer knows what question slash
what theme it's tackling.
It's tackling a surviving, like, it's basically,
Warhammer's survival and holding on.
Whereas Star Wars doesn't know what it's trying to do anymore
because it should have ended at Luke Skywalker.
Yeah, well, that's the thing.
The treatment I have is like, it would be like,
uninvolved, it would be like, leave Luke and all the-
Battle of Endor and that's it.
It's like, leave it alone and do something new
rather than, oh, we're gonna have more Skywalkers.
I think Kill Harry in the chat here,
he put Star Wars is dead earlier
and he put it again.
So, he'll have an hour ago, he says Star Wars is dead.
That's my biggest fear is for Warhammer to become
like Disney-
Don't worry, as far as I can tell,
as a fellow Channel Islander,
Warhammer's in good hands with the TV show of Henry.
And here's the thing, when you think about,
there's what, like 20 writers or so
on retainer for Black Library,
even if one fucks up a book,
it's a drop in the bucket.
Like, it's now, one of the other thing
that's interesting about Warhammer is like,
it's a communal effort.
There's no George Lucas, there's no George R.R. Martin.
It's like-
Or Kathleen Kennedy.
Or, it's like, there is a community of writers
and even with the Horrors of Heresy series,
they were collaborating and weaving the narrative
and figuring out what happened.
And let's be honest, there are duds.
Duds, there are duds in the Horrors of Heresy books.
But it doesn't affect-
Damnation of Pythos, my dick.
It doesn't affect the end and the death,
because again, Dan Abner is a king
and he's, as far as I can tell, best writer for books.
Now at the start, there at the end, it's like, fair enough.
But like, there are so many writers involved
and even if there are duds in that series,
there's so many other pocket series
and other things like the Siege of Terror books
and blah, blah, blah.
Even when there's duds, there's so much potential
and there's so much freedom for them to create things.
And even the video games like Space Marine 1 and 2
or Dark Tide, all these little stories.
And this is something that Warhammer has
as an ace up its sleeve.
There are so many series that are just like,
it has to be a big laser beam in the sky
and it has to be the end of the world.
Warhammer has the advantage of,
oh, it can just be a story about a guy
trying to save his family from a tyranid swarm.
Oh, it can just be about a Tao dissident
in the Far Side enclave.
Oh, it can just be about an Eldar
trying to find an artifact somewhere in space.
It doesn't have to be a world ending story
because who cares?
There's a million worlds.
It's like-
Are you telling me
there shouldn't be a new Death Star planet?
No.
There shouldn't be.
It should blow up multiple worlds
with multiple laser beams.
It's four times bigger and it can blow up
four times the planets at once.
That's how you know it's better.
That's why it's called Star Killer.
Why was I okay with that in 2014
and then I'm suddenly angry about it?
A different time.
By the way, Crimson Glory,
they had another fight of $4.99.
Every franchise is great
till a multi-million dollar company is involved.
I'm not as worried this time, Crimson,
just because I think people,
particularly Amazon and Disney,
have sort of seen the failure in terms of-
It rings a bell.
In trying to basically make product.
The content from Star Wars and Lord of the Rings,
particularly in franchises that have an end date,
we finished the character arc
and from now on it was just content.
I think that's the ultimate mistake of it,
which is they essentially made content.
They admit they didn't have a plan, did they?
I think Andy, you bring that up.
Yeah, I mean, JJ Abrams came in
and they were like, here's Rian Johnson.
He went, ugh, and then he had to salvage it
and they didn't plan.
But here's what I think is good.
Henry quit The Witcher because he didn't like
how they were treating the source material.
He's the executive producer of the Warhammer TV shows
and he left The Witcher,
one of the most popular TV series of modern times
because of creative differences.
And he has, as far as I'm aware at least,
complete creative control
over how the series are going to go.
You can't get a better proponent.
We're all gonna get luckier than that, to be honest.
And as long as, we have to all be prepared
for the fact that something will be,
it won't be an exact copy because I don't think,
no matter what book, I mean,
even our beloved Lord of the Rings trilogy
is not an exact, you know,
there are missing elements from the books in that.
So it's not gonna, just remember like it won't be perfect,
like a representation of what you've read in the books,
but you just want it to be a faith,
like something that's faithful in terms of the themes.
And then, if they hit that mark, I'm, you know,
I'm not letting my heart get to invested in this.
And the other advantage it has is again, like,
unlike the Rings of Power or all these myriad Star Wars shows,
there's no flagship trilogy of films to compare it to.
It can just be its own thing.
It can be, hey, it's a TV show.
And it can be whatever it wants to be
as long as it's in the setting.
There's no absolutely fantastic Peter Jackson trilogy,
absolutely one of the best film series ever made
to compare it to.
There's no, oh, we have to compare it
to The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi
and New Hope.
It's like, no, there's none of that.
It's just like fertile, fertile ground.
We just do what we wanna do.
Here is the setting, here's the groundwork.
I mean, call me an optimist.
I think you couldn't get a better proponent
to steer the ship than Henry Cavill.
Not because I'm biased,
because I'm also from the same place-ish,
but like also because genuinely,
before he was even announced as being involved
with the project, he was name dropping Warhammer
and just being like, hey, I love Warhammer.
Yep, King of the Nerds, let him do what he does.
You brought a part.
Okay, Colin, sorry.
Sorry, I was just.
Surely they can't make it as bad as the Space Marine movie.
So.
Well, the thing is, it's not like.
Yeah. It's just that.
It's just fucked up.
Yeah. It's so goofy.
I actually really like watching that movie.
And it's also like beginning of CGI movie effects.
So it's kind of limited.
Whereas now it's like.
I love watching how Ultramarines kill droves
of chaos space marines.
It's. Yeah.
Well, they charge you up with the facts like.
Mm.
I thought they had John Hurt.
10,000 years old.
Mm.
John Hurt.
Yeah.
The voice in that is crazy.
Carnac.
What was it you were gonna say, Carnac?
It has some cool scenes though.
Oh, I was just gonna say that, you know,
Henry Cavill name drop a Blackstone fortress.
That's not something that, you know,
you pick up a random Warhammer book.
It's like, I'm passing through.
Like, no, that man.
Yeah, most people wouldn't know that in Warhammer.
Yeah.
General, unless they watch the K-Di.
He pointed out about a chandelier too.
Like not like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This set piece from that film reminds me of that.
It's just like, that looks like a Blackstone fortress.
And it was, I feel like it wasn't Tom Holland,
but he was chatting to someone in like an interview.
He was just like, oh, I was being crazy.
He's done it twice now.
Yeah.
He was talking to Tom Holland.
And he was just like, oh, you collecting?
It's like, oh, I'm collecting neck ones.
Like, oh, I like custodians.
And then like there was two ladies there.
I think it was the witch just going.
Yeah.
Talking about like, that's fine.
Don't worry about it.
My beloved witch got butchered.
Why can't they leave?
What they did to my boy.
Bro, we don't, they don't, they don't,
they don't give us the Slavic authenticity anymore.
You know what I mean?
We, we, we bet we're either Russian super villains
or we're like, we're like Polish gruel soup.
You know what I mean?
Like, bro, Paul's, Paul's.
By the way, Crimson Glory donated $2 saying,
if it goes against the law, I'll donate $500.
Well, hopefully there'll be a son there.
Oh man, we show you a, a lethal company stream, I believe.
We do.
I think we have a versus stream coming up there boys.
So hopefully we'll all enjoy that though.
But I think that might've been generally that I've sort of,
we hopefully have covered why we love Warhammer
and enjoy it so much.
And hopefully if you're listening to this,
whatever you're doing, you're just relaxing
or sort of maybe new to Warhammer
and just kind of listening to two, four, you know,
big forehead boys talk about Warhammer law.
So, or why you should enjoy it
or some of the things we enjoy about it.
And you're probably thinking like, oh, you know,
what are some of the things you mentioned in that video?
Go look it up.
You can just go and we'll apologize to your wallet later.
I think though, is there anything else
anyone else wants to add to that?
All I like to add is welcome to season three of law crimes.
Yeah, happy 2024 everyone.
Thank you.
If you made this far, please like the video.
And we first just said that earlier.
That'd be nice.
That'd be nice, thank you.
Yeah, springboard my last comments.
I got on springboard off Andy.
Community is pretty great.
Met a lot of people, met you three fine gentlemen,
met tons of people.
I gave you a hug.
At least one.
Met plenty of people I would never would have
had the fucking chance to talk to if not for it.
You know, accepting the Twitter community,
but that's not Warhammer's fault.
That's Putsch's.
Oh my God.
He's fucking cancer.
Yeah.
What's wrong with Instagram comments recently?
I just noticed that.
Why are Instagram comments so trash?
Nevermind.
I got a pretty good Instagram following,
but that's got my schizo posts all the time.
I'm just gonna read out all my comments.
They would just look at my comments and they go,
I'm gonna name you both.
But my final parting comment,
buy the June Kings box.
Come on fellas.
Let's keep that going.
Glory to Petronia.
I'd burn in hell.
Four times a day I guess.
Shout out to Arthur for his thing coming up.
Yeah.
Arthur Bones is doing a 40K, 40 creators collaboration soon.
So I'll be talking about my beloved Chazlok ice.
What does everyone else get by the way?
Sneakly.
I'll keep my mystery.
What character do you think I got now?
Pro boat girly man.
No.
Think more elf.
Also no.
What?
What Uriel?
Franz.
Oh of course.
Karl Franz, Karl Franz, Karl Franz.
You guys wouldn't guess who I got.
I don't think you would.
I think I read it early but I forgot already.
Yeah.
Mortarion.
Mortarion, this guy.
Yeah.
He's not my favorite character.
He's actually the character I want to rant about specifically.
Yeah.
Again, thank you guys so much for listening and watching.
Hopefully we kept you entertained if you're painting,
if you're at work or if you're just in bed trying to sleep.
Good night.
Good night brothers.
We love you.
Good night.
You can't hear why we're at the end Dread and On.
Where have you been?
Good night.
Oh.
Cheeky.
We love you a long time Dread.
Love you Dread.
We love you all.
Hello Dread.
Goodbye everyone.
We love you all.
Glory to the Tao Empire.
The Queen Wife.
Glory to the Tao Empire.
Goodbye, I love you.
Good night boys.