One thing that I didn't know about that I thought was really interesting is why they have the red hand.
Now, me being me and thinking everything is a big joke, I honestly thought it was just an
in poor taste translation of the fact that Rogel Dorn's hand was the only thing they found,
and they thought it would be funny.
Look, it's the primal's hand.
Yeah, it just said it comes in fist.
The original practice actually, allegedly, comes from when the Primarch would apparently,
when greeting very respectful members of the chapter, he would cut his palm or his wrist or
something like that, and they would do the same.
They would shake hands and they'd get a little bit of a contact high from Primarch juice because
it's just like that's what happened.
Forgive me for saying this.
Is this like the feet pitches of space?
It's the same amount of disgust.
So contact high.
I'm so sorry.
What are you talking about?
Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Beginner to Expert podcast, where we talk about
from the overarching newbie guide to a faction or part of the Warhammer universe to the nitty-gritty
essential details that only nerds like us would appreciate.
And today, I'm afraid Colin is away.
He's doing some kind of social gathering or some such.
I don't know.
I don't go outside, but he's into Warhammer.
He doesn't have to go outside.
His reprise will be swift.
Why are we lying to ourselves?
But because Colin is away, we've got a special guest today.
Drum roll, please.
You may know him as Arthur, but he's got a dirty little secret.
But today, we are welcoming Arthur Bones.
Mr. Bones.
Hi, everyone.
Yes, I'm Arthur Bones, as you all would know from my YouTube channel, Mr. Bones40k.
Fun fact, the truth to do in fact come out.
My real name isn't actually Arthur or Bones.
It's Connor.
Fat lie.
That is a fat lie.
We are contractually obliged to kick you off of Lawcrams instantly for this absolute heresy of
pretending to be someone called Arthur.
We can't have it.
It's almost a Lawcrime and fraud, essentially.
He's been on a tear recently with his videos and thought he'd be a good candidate.
So I asked him on and he's been very nice to oblige us.
And what are we covering today, Arthur?
The Crimson Fists, aka the Ultramarines of the Emerial Fists.
They're one of the really old ones.
It's been around for a while.
But with that being said, I think before we start today's episode,
I think it is time for the Question of the Week.
And so, boys, we have the Question of the Week.
Thank you so much for your answers, ladies and gentlemen.
Last week's question was, you want to sabotage the hive mind.
What do you feed it?
Hashtag tummy ache.
Now, some of these were pretty good.
I'm not going to lie.
Some of them were pretty Colin directed.
Some reason, yeah.
Let him hear for it.
We should also mention that Colin is just here for now as a time.
Yeah, he's here to join us so we can give him a few roasts.
Should mention there was some Avery Johnson, but that didn't quite make the cut
because we're starting off with at double deputy 4242 hashtag tummy ache.
I feed the hive mind all of Colin's Eldar tabletop.
I hate you.
Those are mine.
Oh, you can find them anywhere.
They're still all of the same 50 year old models.
Stop taking mine.
Why did I just think of Colin going, this is an Eldar and this is mine.
This is mine.
You can feed him your striking scorpions.
Oh, wait.
I settle down now.
All right.
Senior pirate stand player in the planet.
Yes.
The one in the iron digit then had.
We got all the iron head.
So it's all gone.
Fair as he is.
All rated.
Speak.
I've got a bit of a theme for the next few ones, though, boys.
At Tristan Wood, 1308, he put hashtag tummy ache.
Feed them some proper English cuisine.
After loading up that plate with a course of chip buddy and mucky dripping.
Why leave the galaxy in all of his majesty's great nation and superior palette.
Now, mucky, mucky, mucky, that's awful.
I'm all gonna lie. I don't even know what that is.
It's worse if you say it in a norther night.
It's like mucky dripping.
Good.
I might be curry and chip.
I'm not the finest of mucky chips.
Or grand gravy and chips, sorry.
Sounds like Andy.
Was it good with them?
It sounds less like they're trying to describe food and more like they're trying to curse us.
It does hit with a pretty.
Now, this is not one of the actual hashtag answers, but someone's hit this theme right on the head.
And I think Andy probably knows this because Tristan again comes out with a day in the life of a true vik
Vikkisa, wake up and meet the hype tyrant Susan.
My little Rippersworn.
Isn't she beautiful?
Time to take the gene stealer to an infected hive world.
Rev up the hive fleet.
Yeah.
Quick stop at Ultramar and light up that plate.
Get a smurf.
Halfway.
McCracken looking lovely today, lads.
Just a bit of banter.
Old one eye makes a 38 to 0.
Lost banter.
Pop down local system.
Good old biomass.
Look at that.
Hyve Tyrant made Susan.
Sorry, Hyve Tyrant Susan made dinner.
Lovely.
Pop down, have a couple of genes get a cultist with the lads and finish up in the bio pool of the bee.
A pool of dreams.
Nice.
So good, dude.
Classic.
Bless you.
We do appreciate how much time that would have taken to write and to think about.
So bless you.
Thank you, Tristan.
God to your meme.
We appreciate that.
But speaking of something a bit more on topic clearly,
hashtag Tom Yake by Yellow White 42.
The Tyrant is losing all sense of taste after devouring the ancient Tyrant dishes known as British food.
Becoming unable to distinguish good flavour and forever being tied down to bland biomass.
There's a bit of a war as you can see in the comments.
Yeah, month long war.
For the boys.
Pasties are great.
Oh, we had to explain to the boys what pasties are.
And we still haven't quite got it yet.
Which is.
It looks good.
I mean, there's a bit of a patty while you don't eat traditionally as well.
Which is like, is it the horn?
Yeah, I suppose.
Because usually when you have a pasty you go, oh, it's a bit stiff.
It's like a calzone.
But then it's like with fluffy, like fluffy pastry.
What's the one called?
Like flaky pastry.
I mean, imagine you're sending a letter and the letter contains mince meat.
And the letter is edible.
That's basically a pasty.
No, that's not it.
Okay.
Yeah.
You guys have that.
You have that and fish and chips.
And those are your good food.
That's all we're allowed.
Okay.
What's the iconic Canadian version of like that stuff?
Oh, God.
What?
Protein.
There we go.
Protein, babe.
What is protein?
Chips, cheese and gravy.
That's what we call it.
Cheese curds.
They're delicious.
It's fried cheese.
Yeah.
Cheese then.
Yummy, yummy.
What's it called?
Tell me.
Oh, what's that?
Amazing cheese. That's amazing to wrap bacon in.
Oh, come over.
Halloumi.
I know what you're talking about.
Halloumi.
Oh, yeah.
This is, you can tell we're very hungry.
What was making this episode?
We also have food from all around the world.
Got lots of tasty Japanese food where I live.
Are you on a, I mean, to fact, maybe the, was it Poutine?
Is what the guy called, Mucky Dripping?
I know, probably ruined that.
Oh, I mean, you say that.
Eli, have you ever tried dragon fruit?
That's pretty cool.
Yes.
Mmm.
That is pretty good.
Oh, you're lucky bastard.
We're speaking of something a bit more on theme for today's episode.
We've got the next question of the week, and that is,
you can punch anyone in the face in the Warhammer universe.
Fantasy or 40K doesn't matter.
We all specify now.
We know you're going to put Erebus.
So we prefer maybe one or two people if you want to put Erebus, but you can be anyone.
It could be, I think I had an earlier thing about, um,
Wolfric the Wanderer just needs to, I mean, punch that bird tongue right out of his mouth.
Why not?
He deserves it.
And, um, so who do you punch and why?
And the hashtag is, Andy, I can't believe you've done this.
Hashtag insisting on a fist in, um, please don't misspell that because you will,
definitely get the wrong hashtag.
You'll probably end up somewhere dark on the internet.
And, um, with that being said, though, we will start with the beginner section.
Okay.
And with all that done, some very good comments.
I believe today we're going to be covering the Crimson Fist with the beginner section.
It's going to be our first.
So, uh, I will be covering the expert section later on, but with all that said,
Arthur, would you like to, to talk about the successors of Rogold Dawn, the Crimson Fists?
Crimson for a fist in, sorry.
I can't help it.
No, I know the groans.
Oh, I'm ready for it.
My body is ready.
It's a red type of podcast.
So yes, Crimson Fists.
It's one of those chapters that are very, this anonymous with 40K, the one of the oldest
chapters in the literature as well as in like the promotional material from my understanding.
And that for the most part, for the longest time, all I knew about them.
So I did do a little bit of research and the rough summation of what I came up with was,
um, second founding way, way back when, when the, um, the, the Imperial Fists were convinced,
and by Imperial Fists, I mean, Rogold Dawn convinced into breaking up the Legion into
other smaller chapters.
I think there were only five or so that we know of that.
Um, second founding.
Black Templars, Crimson Fists.
Uh, Fists Excellencars.
Soul drinkers.
Soul drinkers, baby.
Maybe the Soul drinkers.
Uh, I believe.
Yeah.
I know the Exkoriators are there.
An execution is a first founding.
Yeah.
There we go.
Because they have a weird, yeah.
But, um, their first chapter master, I haven't gotten that far in the Horus Heresy.
All I know him as is, uh, Alexis Big Man Pollux.
Absolutely.
Chad, by the way.
Absolutely.
Chad.
Absolutely.
Uh, but, yeah, uh, he was, uh, fresh off the death of his heteromantic life partner,
Barabas Dantioch, and put in charge of the Crimson Fists, leading them to have one of
the longest lasting legacies of any real chapter of space marines.
Second founding chapters tend to either peter out and be nothing, uh, like, good example,
something I covered a little while ago called the Marauders.
Yep.
A paragraph of lore.
That's it.
Or the Crimson Fists, and they have, like, 30 books dedicated to them.
So, um, there's a lot of lore to the Crimson Fists.
So, an interesting fact that they started off as a fleet-based chapter, you know, doing
the things that fleet-based chapters do.
Eventually, they ended up on a, um, pretty interesting world named Ryn's World, uh, on
a location known as the Hellblade Mountain, which is next to Lake Ryn, near New Ryn City,
on the province of Rynland.
On the Magic Ring.
Yeah.
Yeah, because, uh, I guess GW can't help themselves sometime.
And yeah, uh, do pay attention, because the Hellblade Mountains is gonna come back later
when Ryn's World had a bit of a-
A bit spicy.
A bit of a spicy time.
Yeah.
Um, culture-wise, they are a bit of an odd mix of ultramarine practices and the culture
of a Imperial Fist.
They're very stoic, they're very stern, very much into the traditions of what could be
considered a space marine.
You're gonna notice that if you read about these guys, they have, they're like the Space
Marine chapter of all time.
They are the most space mariney space marine.
Everything you think a space marine should do in any sec- like any situation, they do
it.
They did not see the Codex of Sistatis as a paperweight.
They actually thought, hey, maybe something was good about this book.
They follow it with, you know, 10 companies scout at the 10th, first company being the
elites, first company being called the Crusade Company, for reasons I am probably are related
to Sigismund, but probably not.
I, something I'm not familiar with.
Yeah, they are just a nice blended smoothie of blueberries and bananas when it comes to
the creation of their chapter.
And yeah, right.
The one thing that I didn't know about that I thought was really interesting is why they
have the red hand.
Now me being me and thinking everything is a big joke, I honestly thought it was just
an in poor taste translation of the fact that Rogel Dorn's hand was the only thing they
found and they thought it would be funny.
It's the primal hand.
Yeah, it comes in the face.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The original practice actually, allegedly, comes from when the Primarch would apparently,
when greeting very respectful members of the chapter he would cut his palm or his wrist
or something like that.
And they would do the same.
They would shake hands and they'd get a little bit of a contact high from Primarch juice
because it's just like that's what's happening.
Forgive me for saying this.
Is this like the feet pictures of space?
You know what I mean?
I don't know how.
Please, what?
What you mean?
It's the same amount of disgust.
You know what I mean?
Keep going.
So contact high.
I'm so sorry.
What are you talking about?
That's the universe.
That is definitely the internet.
Yeah.
Maybe they like it.
Oh, God, we ruined it.
We ruined it.
Could be their thing.
OK.
But yeah, if I remember, specific elite members of their chapter have both gauntlets covered
in the red with their regular armor color than being that azure blue, which is again
very ultramarine, but slightly darker.
Current day chapter itself is the pardon my language, completely 100% Fox.
Just absolutely.
Oh, it's horrible.
We're going to cover that one.
That one's pretty fun.
But yeah, I think after a certain Kododo whoopsie doodles happened at Ryn's world.
Yeah, right?
Someone had the drop seas that day.
They didn't have the Roobsie doodles.
I have done an oof.
It's like, I think in one fell swoop during a very specific event that I am obviously
teasing, they lost, I think, over 600 Marines.
Everybody loves the Lamentors, but they always forget about the Crimson Fists for sad folks.
Where was Space Marine health and safety when you needed it?
I wonder if they have a safety guide.
I just like the orange of Space Marine.
A Space Marine instead of using the normal helmet, he's got like an Astartes hard hat
and it's yellow.
Oh, that is brother Phidius.
He is a health and safety officer.
He's like, yeah, yeah, just like he doesn't go into combat.
I'm not going to take that much.
He runs into charge, charges into battle with a clipboard and things like.
Excuse me.
Yeah.
Essentially, most of their armor is basically high-vist anyway at this point.
So yeah.
So just like the idea that he's like a chapter is going out to do like war and he's just
there have a bunch of cones putting them around the battlefield like civilian, do not cross
this border.
There's currently dangerous things going on.
There's like explosions behind him.
Very ultramarine.
Yeah, it does sound like something that would have come out of the Ultima founding, you
know, the Marines OSHA.
Like ultramarine players would definitely do, yes, I'm calling you guys out, all three
of you.
Those who are listening, I don't get hate for that.
Yeah.
Current day, they're trying to reclaim what they lost during the Ryn's World issues that
were happening.
They got reinforcements from the Ultima founding and because of that, they're kind of in a weird
spot because of what happened on Ryn's World, which I'll cover in a second, I guess.
They have like this cast of like first born Marines that are like the most grizzled but
like really, really twitchy Marines that you could possibly have meeting these like fresh
recruits who have like that good, good Bellisarius call goop in them.
That's like super peppy and happy all the time.
I remember reading a short story to give like a good perspective of what that is and it's
like it was one absolutely bananas, Crimson Fist, first born Marine who was setting up
to like Snipe Orcs and the guys that were training under him because they're trying
to teach them the ways of the Crimson Fists.
He was a Ultima founding guy, primary Hirst Marine was right next to him.
He's like, so where's your sniper rifle?
He's right here, pulls out a heavy bolter and he's like, but excuse me.
That's, this is illegal.
The Codex of Stardice does not support this action.
Yeah.
So you want me to go into what exactly happened in Ryn's World?
I'd say before we go, because that's the juicy bit.
I think if that's more or less the overview of the whole thing, I want to go back to where
everything started with Alexis.
I was going to bring up Pedro Cantor and Alessio Cortez sort of, but I can do that afterwards
if you want to go into it.
It'd be nice as well.
I'll mention them now.
I'll probably mention them a little bit at the end, but that's about it.
Fantastic.
Well, I just said their names.
They're pretty prominent figures.
I have full stop.
I had never heard of Alessio Cortez until I read the book Ryn's World because I'm done
like that, I guess, but first name that you should probably recognize.
Most people in 40K who actually play the game have seen Pedro Cantor's model and at least
heard the name because he's kind of a popular character on the tabletop to some degree.
I know a lot of people who are making their own like homebrews right now and like a lot
of places on the guy, but Pedro Cantor is the current chapter master of the Imperial
Fists.
And as much as I give JW shit for, you know, New Ryn City being in Rynland on Ryn's World,
they had the restraint of not calling his melee weapon the Crimson Fist.
They didn't call it that.
Good on them.
Yeah, I was surprised at that.
It's just a regular power fist.
His weapon.
There's like no special one.
Yeah.
His special weapon is a probably stolen from a Grey Knight combi-bolter that's attached
to his wrist called Dorn's Arrow.
It's cute, but he's current day chapter master.
He has a lot of reverence for the old chapter masters, but he's also very interesting character,
very pragmatic, realist.
And I found him throughout the readings that I was going through and like all the research
just be kind of a chill guy and acknowledges the failings of like past chapter masters
as well as like realizing how he can be better as a person.
Very humorous.
Cool guy.
Very humorous space friend, which I think is very.
Yeah.
It's one of the few times you actually see in Warhammer lore where he actually tries
to inspire hope in not just, you know, brothers, they actually inspire hope in regular human
beings, which is kind of a, it's a nice part that it's in the Crimson Fist novels.
Cause again, it's, it's nice that it's there.
So it shows that them is like a contrasting space screen chapter compared to all the other,
particularly the Black Templars, which obviously same lineage, but definitely they have the
same feelings towards civilians slash obstacles as they might not shouting.
So, you know, not always.
Speed bumps, if you will.
And then we have the other character that I mentioned that I didn't know much about.
And I still don't know as much as I wish I did, but it's Alessio Cortez.
I have no idea what he's the captain of now because again, most of the Marines are dead.
So there's not many companies.
If I remember correctly, the captain of the fourth company originally.
Perfect.
Known for being the hardest to kill motherfucker in the entire chapter.
For some reason he could go up against war bosses, he's here in a hive tire and greater
demons and for some reason, even if he's just like a peramecium sized cell, he'll climb
his way back and they'll just like your
He's also a nice, he's the contrast to what all the other
Crimson Fist are because he's quite a bit more what you think is traditional space.
He's a bit more, the enemy is the target, everything else is kind of in the way.
Basically achieve the mission at all costs.
And I think Cortez is the one who when he speaks to Pedro Cantor, because they were
together, they were both in the same company.
They grew up or not grew up, but basically fought together most of their life.
And then there's like that really good scene where Pedro is obviously like trying to defend
civilians and then Cortez is going, but that will slow us down.
And they kind of have a moment like why did what changed between us?
You know what I mean?
Cortez is a kind of, I don't know if they say the writers use him as like a jumping block
for, you know, basically, is he like the Luigi to Cantor's La Mario?
I imagine it's like, it's viewed in that sort of same way where he's meant to in the
sort of story of the Crimson Fist, he's meant to be the contrast to all the good boys.
You know what I mean?
But they need both of them to sort of help the chapter survive.
And they'll cover them a little bit at the end.
So that'll be good fun.
It's good, it's good writing, really good writing in that book.
Rinsworld, if anyone should pick that up.
Oh, God, it's so good.
Pretty good.
Yeah.
But yeah, that's all I know about Alessio Cortez.
He has a pretty hard nickname.
I think they just refer to him as the immortal.
Oh, that goes hard.
It's kind of good.
It's a good name.
But yeah, I know if you want to start talking about Alexis Pollux, you have the floor.
So it's time for some Horus, Heresy Boys.
It's my wheelhouse.
Yeah, classic.
Let's go.
So let's go all the way back to the beginning of the Imperial Fists Legion.
Now everyone loves our yellow lads in Parama, but during the Horus, Heresy, there were a
notable few captains you might already know about.
Everyone knows about Sigismund, the first captain.
You've got M'Fafnir Ran, who was the first high executioner of the Executioner's Chapter,
and he had the twin axes.
And there's another chap called Alexis Pollux.
Now Alexis Pollux was the captain of the 405th Company of the Imperial Fists Legion, and
he was originally born on Inwit.
When he was going through the trials to become an Imperial Fist, he had a brother.
If I can remember his name.
Can you help me here?
I think it also begins with an A, isn't it?
Or a H. They have quite similar names.
Yeah.
But he's like, is it twin brother?
Yes, it's like a twin brother and he's massive.
And is it like Elias?
Elias?
Oh, Elias with a H.
Yes, it's a silent H.
Yeah, so yeah, it's Elias and Alexis.
And the two of them both went through the trials to become a Space Moon on Inwit, which
is pretty harsh.
You basically have to like wander Inwit's icy planet surface with just some like barely
rags on your back and no real supplies while there's massive monsters trying to cut you
down all the way through.
And during the trials, his brother was killed, big sad.
There's a point where...
Oh, it's awful.
It's awful.
It's like, it's like, it's only like the opening minutes of the...
I know that book you're referring to and it's so sad.
It's like the opening bit and it's like, God damn it.
Because there's a bit where Alexis gets wounded by this massive creature and then Elias kind
of gets between him and the monster and saves his life.
But he coaxes it to like the precipice of a mountain and then the beast jumps over and
it dashes itself into the abyss below.
And like Alexis grabs his brother's hand and he can't hold on because he's really badly
injured and his grip is slipping and he's like, just let go when he lets him go and then
he makes it back to the chapter monastery, but his brother's dead.
But it's like, chin up, Alexis, you're an imperial fist now.
And he's like, great.
There's a slight hint in that story as well, which is Alexis' hand is all injured and mangled,
obviously bleeding reds, it's all red fist.
And then when they look, he's holding on to his brother, but then his brother looks up
like from basically about to fall off and he realizes like, actually Alexis isn't holding
on because his hand is all screwed up.
It's actually his brother.
And they realize if he holds on any longer, he's going to basically drag him down with
him.
So his brother actually lets go.
Oh no.
Very sad, holy.
Yeah.
It's worth pointing out as well, these two are chunk.
They are massive, even for like normal guys.
So when Alexis became a space marine, he became thick.
I mean, you might have seen the artwork of him on, what's the planet called, sofa.
And he's just got like this massive power fist and he's like, he's like, he's like retunned
almost.
He's like circular.
I like, I like Mama Rees, retunned, circular and dense and thick.
And he is like, he is like pre-tiberos, the red wake, like massive dude.
Yes, and it's cool.
It's built like a mural.
But there's that bit.
I don't know if you're going to mention it, the bit with Gilliman yet, Andy, about height
stuff.
Go for it.
I don't know if you wanted to.
Oh, Gilliman said he was unnerved by Pollux because he's the only space marine who looked
him in the eye.
At eye level.
What's going on?
He's just like, don't, we're feeding him.
Pollux had to have custom armor made a lot of the time because he didn't fit into regular
space marine armor.
And again, it's like, he's like, he's not.
And it's like, it's like a rockfish.
You're like, what, I can't believe you're so good.
Absolutely gineormous space marine.
It's always interesting.
There's like a few of massive, there's like him, there's Arjak Rockfish, there's Tiberos,
the red wake.
And there's just like, we just like, occasionally a chunky boy, and they're good fun in the
law.
Um, but yeah, chunky boy was really well respected by Rogaldorn.
Horace did the big heresy. Rogaldorne was like, this is bullshit. Right, I'm going to send
like a good third of the legion over to Istvan and we're going to punch his face in and we'll be done
with it straight away. He's barely reeling from killing his own men, we'll sort him out. So he
sends a retribution fleet and originally he goes, Sigismund, can you lead the fleet? And Sigismund
is going through his own thing and he's like, so he stays on terror and Pollux goes under the command
of Captain Yonad. Now, bear in mind a third of the legion is like, I think it's something like 30,000.
I think it's 30,000 the starties are sent to just beat up the traitors while they're weak.
And they traverse through the warp and unfortunately, at this point, they don't really know the warp is
full of demons and stuff. And the chaos powers just completely ruin their trip. They get out of
the warp and they've lost a good chunk, they've lost like thousands of men already. Some of their
ships have torn apart, some of them are scattered about. And Captain Yonad is dead. So Alexis is
like, oh, shit, okay. Well, I was, he was my mentor. He was like the one who taught me pretty
much most of my current day skills as a naval tactician. I guess I'm in charge. And the other
starties are like, oh, he's not the oldest, he's like a bit young. But they go, okay, but he's
well trusted by dawn, we'll let him lead our men. So for a few months, he's just, you know,
assembling the fleet, making sure it's it's going well. And he's like, we're not going to go to
Istvan. If we go to Istvan now, we're just going to get dashed against the rocks, we need to be
smart about this. Let's fortify the file system we're in. We'll make sure we got all the resources
from our broken up fleet. And then when we're ready, we'll go out and we'll attack. And a lot of his
advisors are like, no, you're pussy, go and fight Horace. I was like, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna,
I'm gonna defend. And so he said, like, lots of the ship contingents to like, do drills. He like,
he said, we're not just going to take a holiday, we're going to drill, we're going to practice,
we're going to make sure we are an absolute like mechanized cog of a machine, where every moving
part works exactly as it should, because we're going to practice every single day for several
months. And it's a good thing he did. Because there's a guy called Pertorabo, might have heard of him,
he's a Primark of the fourth legion, the iron warriors. Big fan, big fan, big fan, siege, siege,
siege, siege, fortify, siege, fortify. People in the chat need to put siege fortify, siege fortify.
Well, it's a thing Horace was like, Oh, I know they're on the way. Perti, you haven't taken any
losses. Before István five, could you send like, could you go and like, sort out the art of the
Imperial Fist? We know you've got a chip on your shoulder against the yellow boys, go and get them.
So Pertorabo personally leads a fleet to Fahl. And he's, he's on his massive gloriaana class ship.
And he's got all these vessels, and they attack the Imperial Fist. And at first it's not going
well. Alexis is like, what the deuce and all their like, ships are getting broken, he's having a bad
time. But he's like, remember your treat, he does that like me like, remember your training. And then
all the Imperial Fists are like, okay, okay, okay, fortify, fortify, fortify, they like, all the
comms are just saying fortify, fortify, fortify, and then there's one I'm working. So he's just like,
no fortify. And basically, somehow, Alexis Pollock's repels a Primark from the Fahl system. He goes,
Perti, up your game skill issue. We were ready for you. We're going to kick you out now.
He was an absolute unit. But he was also an absolute genius when it came to a naval warfare.
And his planning was, was the saving, like everyone goes about like, Rabute's skill was
logistics. Pollock's it was being well prepared, doing his revision, making his homework, making
sure his homework is in on time and no late fees. It's like, yeah, good lad.
It's a weird discrepancy part, in terms of like, no, as in the, not as in the law's wrong, but in
terms of the traitors, what they believe should be happening, like the scrying and the fates,
because technically, Sigismund should have been there. That was the whole original,
like thread of fate, like something changed fate. So Sigismund wasn't there. So when Perti
Rabbe was sending his fleet, he's like, Oh, I know Sigismund, he's like all out attack. So when
he designed their attack, like Perti was attacked to this imperial fist fleet, it was all designed
around that move. So when he came to a fortified position in a defensive formation, it was like,
Oh, this isn't normal. So there was Perti Rabbe was confused, like where's Sigismund? Like
Sigismund is not here. Like what? Where's Sigismund?
To do portrayable dirty dude. This and to learn, like, come on. Give him one win, please.
I agree. Don't, don't.
He doesn't have a win. He beats Angron, like a demon.
Iron cage makes up for it kind of. And he beats up Fulgrim once.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. You're going to make Eli upset. He's going to cry.
Whatever, man. Fulgrim. Fulgrim's great.
I've been, you got like Gleamon Rust out one time. You got Fulgrim's one of the few
Primarchs that has a killed down though, in terms of other Primarchs.
Fulgrim's awesome. What do you mean? He beats, he beat Ferris Manus and
Gilliman. Yeah. He actually technically killed Gilliman.
He killed Gilliman. He beat Rogold Dorne in theory because Rogold Dorne said he was going to lose.
Even Fulgrim just left though because the writers couldn't have him doing something cool.
He did big betray against Morgaw. He was like, hey, screw you. I like Horace.
He's like, oh, I wanted to be world master.
Fulgrim has his moments. Yeah.
He's better than Mortarian. Like, come on.
Mortarian does nothing but take L's the entire heresy.
Yeah. And he stinks.
And then gets his, then gets a name carved on his heart by some guy who's not even a grand master yet.
Who likes tangerines. I love, I love Trigger. I love the girl.
But anyway, back with Pollux.
So with the foul system repelling the traitors, Alexis is like, right, we're definitely not going to
his farm now. There's no point. We've already taken losses and we've repelled the iron warriors.
Let's go back to Holy Terror. So they try to go back to Terror to reinforce the
throne world under orders from Rogold Dorne because he says, Oi, get your ass back here.
We need you. But oh, wait, I thought, I thought Pertorabo won.
Well, it's like Rogold Dorne's like, you need to get back to Holy Terror.
And Pertorabo was like, I'll get you.
Yeah. They were, the fists were winning. They were winning.
No, they, in the end of the book, they're about to, like Pertorabo's losing.
And then the call from Dorne breaches the warp. Like everyone get back to Terror.
And then immediately Pollux does that dumb thing where it's like, we have the orders absolute.
So even though they're winning, they start to retreat.
And then they take loads of losses and they're like, we were losing.
Why did, but then it just felt weird.
I was like, well, I won that one. It's like, oh, you're the worst Pertorabo. Shut up.
It's like when you're on the, on the tube or a train or something and someone just starts talking
really loud on their phone, that's a bit of the same vibe. It's like, I can hear everything.
Oh, so awkward. So, so yeah, like quote, the iron warriors won, but they didn't really,
because they were like skill issue, we're out peace. And then the imperial office left.
So they try to get back to Terror, but unfortunately more Warp shenanigans,
they can't get to Holy Terror. So they go to the next best place, which is McCrag.
And upon arriving at McCrag, they realize, oh, there's like, there's some weird stuff going on here.
The Ultramarines are, you know, meeting up with the Dark Angels and the Blood Angels.
And there's like some weird, there's like a couple of white scars in the space.
Well, so this is weird. Oh, and Ironhands. My beloved, don't forget.
Philip and like, yeah, they're like, yeah. Yeah. Sorry, Connor, where's the old video in Ironhands?
Yeah. Where is it? Why have you not told about my beloved Ironhands yet on your channel?
He has. We need, oh, we have, I missed that one.
He has. He's done all those. I've watched that. Embarrassing. Oh, I'm embarrassed now.
Because I was enjoying your signs at the size of the Emperor.
One, two, because they need more love. Love me, jeez, Steelers.
Yeah. Wait a second. People want to talk about Ironhands, please.
You have to be the man, Halley. You have to be the champion.
I know. I've made some Ironhands shorts in the last month.
I'm derailing. Sorry, continue, Andy.
Before I continue, I will say I've done a fair bit of Ironhands stuff, but I am running low on Ironhands stuff now.
Oh, pain. Yeah, actually, very real. They need more love. Because they can be really cool.
The trifecta is Salamanders, Ravengard and Ironhands is like, there's not all that much left to talk about.
Even though half of them died. Yeah.
But anyway, so they get to McCrag and they're like, oh, there's some Imperium Secundus down in here.
This is interesting. And basically, being the logistics master here,
Rebuta is like, hmm, Imperial Fists, they're good at sound castles. Right.
Pollux, come here. I've got this project in the works. Now, don't be upset.
I know you've just been fighting the Iron Warriors, but I've got this guy in charge of it.
And his name is Baribas, and he's kind of an Iron Warrior. Don't freak out. Don't freak out.
He's a chill dude. He doesn't like his dad. He's run away from home. And he's a good boy.
Now, he's over on this planet called Sofa, all the way over there in the galaxy.
And somehow he's found this device called the Pharros device. He's communicating with us.
And it's really cool. We can basically communicate with it. But also, there's possibly the potential we can start like
teleporting materials. And I don't need to tell you, you've just been through the ruin storm.
It's really hard to get to Holy Terror. If we can use this properly, it won't be a problem with supply lines.
We can just get stuff transported to us in a click of your fingers and everything will be lovely.
And he's like, I don't like Iron Warriors. I know you don't like Iron Warriors. Just calm down. Just chill. Daddy chill.
He said while looking into his eyes at the same height level and feeling unknown.
It's also a second National Maconte. Yeah. And it's also a beacon for people to find Macragh, which is good.
Which is why so many loyalists from various legions were like, oh, Macragh. Oh, they've got champagne. Nice.
And that's how loads of them managed to get there in such an eclectic bunch.
But basically, he's like, fine, I'll work with the smelly Iron Warrior.
And he starts working with Baribas. And he actually turns out to be a really nice chap.
Those of you who don't know, Baribas Dantioch was an Iron War Smith or War Smith of the Iron Warriors who defected from the Iron Warriors because he's a Chad.
He blew up the Shardonhold where he was stationed. He survived fighting the Harud species and was like aged several thousand, I think it's like 3000 years.
I did a video mentioning him on Arthur Bones's channel. Check that out.
And yeah, so after a while, they they're communicating through, you know, the device and they're starting to figure it out.
But as they're working on it, Conrad Curse of the Night Lords happens to arrive at Macragh aboard the Dark Angels flagship and he gets let loose upon Macragh, which is bad.
And at this point, Baribas is on sofa and Alexis is on Macragh. And at one point, Alexis is in his little study room and Conrad goes,
it's like a weird like noise and make me say, I'm scary. And then Alexis is like, oh, no, Primark and he tries to fight him.
It doesn't go very well. And then Baribas is like, all right, what's what we've got to lose. I'm going to try and like do a really dangerous thing with this device and see if I can transport you to me.
And he manages it. He actually like kind of goes like scoop and he scoops Alexis from Macragh. And then all of a sudden he's in the same chamber as Baribas.
And he's like, what the fuck is I don't worry about it. Magic. It's like ancient Necron space magic. It's good fun.
It's the oldest magic. It's the power of friendship.
Power of friendship.
Friendship and maths. Literally, that's how it works. The power of friendship actually is the reason why it's not like friends from different religions go a bond of friendship that will stand the test of time.
It's not a broke back mountain.
I mean, yeah, it's the body.
The mountain on the Rinsworld one called again, like help help. Hellblade man's broke back.
Broke back.
Anyway, and sorry, their bond of friendship continues to grow with close proximity and they become even better friends.
And there's like having wine and they're having a laugh and they go, you know, that peruv is right wanker. And so yeah, I know.
And then unfortunately, nightlords again, different nightlords, they invade sofa to try and steal the pharaohs device.
And there's a few ultra marine station there because Gilman was like, this is important. I'm sending some ultra means to back up the imperial fists.
So Alexis leads the imperial fists, ultra means doing their thing and Dante Oka is there as well.
And unfortunately, they managed to make their way all the way up the mountain to the device and to prevent it falling into nightlords hands, Baribas blows it up.
And in doing so, accidentally sends like a big flashlight beacon like, like, hey, dinner time message to the tyrannids.
For 10,000 years later, they're going to get to where they saw that big bright light and go, oh, this is quite a nice tasty area.
Yum, yum, yum.
But he does succeed in getting rid of the nightlords. The pharaohs device is blown up, can't be used.
And Baribas dies in Alexis Pollux's arms, which is very sad.
I had that commissioned as artwork. I'm going to you did. I'm going to put it on screen now.
It's real nice. I will. That's one of the first art commissions I ever did for Warhammer.
And I because we needed that moment in the law to be visualized because it's I think it's the first time a space marine cries, I think.
Oh, it's what the heck? I didn't know that.
Because Pollux, Alex Pollux and Dan Tiot, like Pollux hates him in the beginning because of these nine warrior, but then they became really good friends over the years in Perum Secundus.
And then he's like, I think, I don't want to take it away. And if you want to keep that death.
Oh, well, it's, I mean, Baribas essentially was tricking the nightlords with the device being like, this is how we use it.
And then he looked over to Alexis, who was like held captive and he's like, sorry, bro. And then he like basically self destructed it and let himself die.
And then he sort of dies. Baribas Dan Tiot as well had like a metal plate slash mask like pinned to his actual skull.
So Pollux had never even seen his real face until he basically died and then like the mask was broken.
And he's really old as well. He's like, oh, you're so old.
So he's like, oh, you smell like old people.
Yeah, poor smell of garbage.
But, um, no, it's like Pollux was like holding him like after the battle was done.
And then he actually starts like crying like Baribas. He's like super upset.
And then when Gilliman does eventually arrive like later and they clean up the nightlords, it was said like Pollux wouldn't let anyone touch Baribas.
Like he held on to him for hours just sitting there.
Someone put a blanket on him because they were like, he's not moving.
We'll just put this blanket on him and leave him to it.
And then he has like a proper funeral though.
Yeah.
It's the first time they actually have a funeral in Forst's to start.
He used to be called Hero of the Imperium.
It's making me emotional.
Yeah, it's really sad.
No, it's a really, it's a very good moment.
It's pretty, it's very well written in terms like 30 K stuff just because it's one that's like, oh, actual space.
It's a human. So it's very enjoyable.
And with that done pretty much that's the last notable thing Pollux does during the Horus heresy, but he does survive.
And with the legions break up into chapters, Alexis Pollux would be installed as the first captain, the first captain, the first chapter master of the second founding Chris Crimson fist chapter.
Their namesake derived from his own mangled severed hand of legend and because I believe he had a robotic hand for most of the.
Oh, he had it in the Battle of Faw.
Oh, it's like cloned, isn't it?
It's like bio cloned and it's got like a red tinge and they're like, his hands weird.
Because he, he, he was told to let it set and basically it was like a fully grown human hand, which is like parents quite expensive.
So most people do by onyx, but he had it properly done.
But he basically the battle had come so he didn't have enough time to let it set.
So he was always, always from then on, basically stuck with like a sort of red mangle, not mangle, but like it was like discoloured red fist, a crimson fist if you will.
So that's how the kind of name came out.
Like your hand looks like a straw.
But he's like, no, it doesn't. Leave me alone.
Yeah, for real.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, the man's got a power fist with an understun melt again.
You know, look up into my eyes, not down there.
Say that to my face.
No, no, I'm here.
Yeah.
So yeah.
And for 800 years, Alexis Pollux would lead the Crimson Fist chapter, which is a pretty good run.
Unfortunately, he's like poisoned by a Xenos weapon, and he has a really horrible death where he's just slowly dying offscreen.
And then he's like, oh, I'm dying.
This is terrible.
But in his last moments, he basically like makes steps to, he basically writes a will for the Crimson Fist like, do this, don't do this, be nice to girls, hold open doors for them.
Don't steal.
Okay, dad.
And his near mythical status would earn him the title of the Great Father by his chapter.
And that's how he's known as by, by the descendants of the Crimson Fists.
And that's basically Alexis Pollux.
Has anyone got any questions?
I said, cool statement about how in not we didn't just get the Crimson Fists from Sotha in the we also got the size of the emperor as a successor chapter from that same novel too.
So that was a good old, because there's another one as well.
Silver helmet.
Because I know the size of the emperor, their captain was like an ultramarine's captain and he was like, he was like, installed as, was he already known as the side of the like there's like a connection thing was like, oh, he was just like, that was his thing.
There was the people on the planet.
Well, it's well known for using sides.
Yeah.
And yeah, I was like, do you know a corner about the any of the origins of the size of the emperor?
Oh my God, I almost flubbed that.
Yes, I actually just did a video on them recently.
There are such a weird.
You can go into them if you want.
Love.
We just they need some love.
Fair.
It's like, if I if I had a nickel for every time there was a chapter that was inspired by thematically but not actually related to in any way, shape or form of the iron warriors.
I would have two nickels.
Weird that that happened.
And it's not a lot, but because like silver skulls had I did the absolutely nothing that nothing to do with the iron warriors.
It was just an accident that they ended up like that because they were headhunters, they liked dipping the skulls of the people that they got in silver.
And that became the logo of their chapter and it just for some reason ended up looking like the iron warriors logo.
But I'm hearing you talk about like the like like Sotha and like the pharaohs device and I just finished like Bilisarius call the great word.
I am twitching because I'm like, it's like going through like Lord of the Rings.
You get to that scene where people don't say it.
Don't say it was a neck.
Yeah.
It was a neck.
Yeah.
There was like 16 tonsards down there.
But yeah, they're the size of the emperor.
They were a small company of space rings that were put on Sotha afterwards to guard it.
Because it was an angry world, that's where the name sides of the emperor came from.
They weren't even in I think first founding, but they were there.
They were like stationed there after like or before the second founding.
It's just like we need to like have a force defend what's left of this really important thing.
You'll do.
Oh, you're now a chapter.
Oh, cool.
Do we get to paint right now?
Yes.
Cool.
I like this one.
I like this scheme.
Barry, get the paint pots out.
Get some weird stuff.
Okay.
I'm just realizing their armor is actually kind of a mix of what would be behind warrior.
Black and yellow.
Yeah, black and yellow.
Like hazard strikes.
I didn't really put that together.
Oh, I didn't put that together until now.
The more you know.
Yeah.
But otherwise, shall we delve into the chapter overall and what their deal is?
Yeah.
Heck yeah.
Yes.
Right.
We all know that they're a second founding of the Imperial fist chapter.
They are typified by being very heroic, stubborn and generally like good all rounders.
Like everyone's just like, are they just like a good bunch of lads?
They don't have any particular flaws.
They're not mean to people.
They don't kick children.
They're actually quite good.
They're not salamanders levels of like nice, but they are like, I was the term they're
like Boy Scouts.
They're just good lads who are good boys and they do good things because it's for good
sake.
You know, it's boring.
Yeah, but they're fun.
They're fun.
So they're a very safe chapter, I would say.
I just realized, is that because Pollock's obviously knew Gilliman.
So that's why they were so co-ed out as compliant.
Maybe.
Because he actually trusted Gilliman's.
Combinations of things.
And he also fought alongside the Ultramarines on SOFA.
So that might have.
Yeah.
I didn't, I had not put this all together until right now.
Working it out as we go.
But the by by by dint of them being a fleet based chapter.
Well, think of this way.
Originally the chapter was fleet based and their their Prima genitor, Alexis Pollock's
was already a naval genius.
So it makes sense.
They'd be really good in like a fleet based setting.
But over time, it was decided, oh, they're so good at being good boys, we're going to
give them a planet because they deserve it.
They've done a good job.
I think it's about time they had a plan and like, cool, we get a home.
We get somewhere to live.
I get a bunk bed.
That's not in space.
It's like, cool, good for you guys.
And so they would be gifted the planet known as Rin's world named after Rin, I guess,
because it's Rin's world.
And they also got like a plus.
Sorry.
It is an interstellar scene of him banging on the wall telling them not to go.
But the thing is, this is this, this planet is within the Loki sector.
Again, for boating title for a sector, but there's also a bunch of other worlds around
it.
And since they've transitioned from a fleet based to a planet based chapter, they've now
they have the proclivity to get recruits wherever they can because of their time as
a fleet.
So they actually draw from a bunch of planets, but they don't actually like to draw from
Rin's world in particular, even though it's their homeworld.
They prefer a planet called Blackwater.
And Blackwater is interesting because it's inhabitants are like, it's like a feral world.
It's inhabitants are really ferocious and athletic warriors.
And they're kind of like, dude, look at that one.
That one's ripped.
Yeah, we should make him another star.
That'd be cool.
And even though they're kind of like barbaric in nature, Imperial fists, generally speaking,
I find in their successors have a tendency to be like, let's polish that rough diamond
into a mirror sheen that we like Imperial fists.
Oh, let's go to Necromunda.
We can make some of them into Imperial fists.
Executions like we like cutting people's heads off.
We're kind of barbaric as it is.
Cool.
Yeah, you're in.
So you can't mention Necromunda without that.
It's not really super related, but the Imperial fist slash sons of Horus bit, but the the
Luna, sorry, the sons of Horus guy goes, this is like in a book in the heresy, guys.
You guys, you appear first wouldn't understand.
I was raised in a world like this, you know, Cathonia crime world and the guy, the Imperial
fist goes, oh yeah, I do.
I'm from Necromunda.
And then the sons of Horus guy goes, yeah.
Yeesh.
I have a fun little board that I want to give that when I was reading Rin's world, I feel
like this is something that no one talks about, but someone should bring up because it was
single-handedly the weirdest sentence I have ever read in a 40k book that was brushed aside
like it was fucking nothing.
And I don't know, sorry, if Andy was going to bring this up, but yeah, apparently one
of the chapter masters of the Crimson Fist was going to implement a fucking.
What?
No, he did implement a breeding program.
Easy.
Yeah.
He was going to get people who failed as Crimson Fist aspirants didn't get like destroyed physically
and have to be made into a servitor and then just like, like a child with two monster truck
toys smashed them together with another person who was like a good bone structure and good
genetics and see what came out and apparently it just was a resounding failure.
It's just a chaos lad who gets to wield the spine.
That fucking, I could, the first half of Rin's world, once they just threw that out there
like it was nothing, I was like, did Alessio come from the breeding program?
That is odd.
How do I miss that?
I've read that.
I miss that.
It's like a first, maybe second chapter when they're getting, like they're having a meeting
in the arcs, Tyranus, they're just like, oh, it's the ceremony time and they're just like,
oh yes, here's the statues of all the prior chapter masters.
Oh, here's the 14th chapter master.
Did you know he wanted to make it?
He was known as Horneus Maximus.
Yeah, it was so weird that they're like, oh, this is the thing.
We're just going to brush up.
We're just going to leave that.
There's a lot going on here.
I mean, to be honest, I've just been reading the book of martyrs and I found one of the
planets in it is called Metallica.
I'm like, right, I'm done.
I'm done with this.
That's a forge ruled, right?
Yeah, it's good fun.
Anyway, so yeah, overall, the chapter has some weird customs like breeding.
So for example, weird, man, you guys get a blade.
That's weird.
Heavy breath.
But like Arthur said earlier a little bit, for example, when the aspirants of the chapter
become scout Marines, they must undertake the steeping, which is they on black water,
predominantly, they say something called a barb dragon.
And then they plunge their fist into its guts until it's like their left fist until
it's like all bloody.
And then they raise up their bloodied fist as like a mark of, yeah, I did it, bro.
I'm a crimson fist.
And now they're allowed to wear the red fist on their left handers and Astartes, which
is pretty cool.
Humans of the chapter have two crimson fist gauntlets.
So only the first company are allowed to have both, which is like a cool thing.
And the other thing about you mentioned failed aspirants, all the failed aspirants who don't
become Astartes, uncharacteristically, unlike a lot of chapters, they're actually quite
well respected.
And they're known as the chosen by the chapter and they're made into chapter surf.
So they're not made into servitors necessarily, but they'll be like, I mean, how you'll know
like people like, for example, Nathaniel Garrow had his huskull Caleb Aaron, it's like, it's
a ceremonial position.
You carry his sword, you do good stuff.
It's like, yeah, they have a similar thing where it's like, you're not like us, but
you did a good job.
So you can polish my gun.
It's like, cool.
That's nice.
They're still part of the chapter.
Yeah, they're not left behind.
They're not like, it's not like the iron hands is like failure put into the mind blender.
Like, oh, no, poor guy.
But other than that, they're very level headed and pious souls.
And they adhere very closely to the Codex Astartes.
They revere the emperor, they revere Rogaldorn, and of course, the great father, Alexis Pollux.
They're very good at adapting to battle.
So unlike the Ultramarines, who's kind of floor is they adhere so strictly to the codex, they're
kind of like, oh, I don't know what to do when it doesn't work.
The Crimson Fists are like, oh, this isn't working.
Adapt, improve, overcome.
They are bare grills.
And they kind of have like a nice blend.
They have a nice blend of Ultramarines and Imperial Fists doctrine.
So they are very good at defending, but they're also very good at being Ultramarines.
So they're kind of a weird mix.
Here's a fun fact.
They used to have an emperor's champion position within the chapter, like the Black Templars.
They had a set of armor just for the emperor's champion who like the Black Templars is given
a vision of like, you're going to go kill this dude.
But with a particular incident that Arthur will talk about later, they lost the armor
and now there aren't any emperor's champions, which is a shame.
I kind of like the idea of the artwork of an emperor's champion in Crimson Fists colors,
but we don't get that anymore because no fun allowed, said the law writers.
They're really good at fighting Xenos, particularly Orcs.
That's their thing.
If you want an Orc dead, you send in the Crimson Fists because they hate the Orcs.
They hate the Orcs.
Yeah.
If I had a nickel.
Oh.
Every time an imperial fist fought an Orc.
I'd have a lot of nickels.
Yeah.
It's like they're really good at fighting.
The beasts certainly be a rise.
Yeah.
It's basically Crimson Fists, the entire series.
Not because of imperial fist.
Every artwork is then fighting greenskins.
Yeah, pretty much.
But the thing is, because of this fact, they're very, very, very, very, very, very favored
by the Chambers militants of the Orcs of the Deth Watch to the point where other Astartes
seconded to the Deth Watch don't like the Crimson Fists because they get special treatment.
There are records of as much as a quarter of many kill teams being just Crimson Fists
because the Deth Watch are like, they're really good at killing Orcs.
No seriously, they're really good.
And so they get special treatment.
I like that.
We treat them as our favorites because they're so good at it.
And then all the other kill teams get like a blood aim.
Bullshit.
I don't want to fight.
They go with cool guns.
You got a cool ribbon the other day.
I don't like it.
And yeah, I like to, all successors of the imperial fist, they do have a few flaws.
They can't spit acid.
Big F.
I'm sure we'd like to do that.
That'd be quite fun.
They can't do that.
Their gene seeds messed up in that regard.
They also can't hibernate.
So I don't think it's REM sleep.
But you know, like space means can kind of just like do the Skyrim thing where it goes
wait 24 hours, but instead of hours, it's years and they're fine.
They can't do that, which is a bit of a shame.
And so they're not easy to deploy in like far off campaigns because yeah, they have a faulty
betcher's gland and a faulty Susan membrane.
They also bear the curse of their prime arc a lot like other imperial fists where they
are so stubborn, they routinely get into last stands.
They hate running from battle.
And as the curse progresses, they refuse to retreat even in the face of death and they
will take on any suicidal battle in the name of pride, gladly giving their lives for the
privilege.
Now, I do have a quote.
I've got a couple of quotes today.
I'm just seeing who I could send this to.
Let's try this.
There we go.
So now I like to read this between Eli and how I can go first.
If you're over it, sure.
This won't be very special.
Apologies, boys.
We've survived the green skins invasion of our world.
We've survived the fall of the arcs, Tyranus.
We've survived the death of so many of our brothers.
The green skins before us are not a threat, but an opportunity for vengeance, an opportunity
for glory, an opportunity to show the universe that the crimson fists still live for the
prime arc, for the emperor, for the crimson fists.
That's our boy Pedro Cantor.
So I got more into it.
As it went on.
I love it.
They don't like running from battle.
They're like, now that's for wimps.
We like fighting until we die because that's how men fight.
The epic curse.
Yeah.
But other than that, that's basically all I wanted to talk about before the big oopsie
in particular, which I believe Arthur will be covering.
So before we move on to that, have we got any questions?
I don't think I've got any.
I'm ready for more crimson fisting.
Sorry, I didn't mean to come out like that.
It's not my fault.
That's just their name.
You can't keep getting away with this.
I'm about to bring up feet pics again.
Oh my gosh.
Get him out of here.
Hell, we're two for two on this one.
So Connor, would you like to talk about the ring that happened on Rinsworld in the Rinssector
of Rinspace by Mr. Rinn?
It's very iron.
Iron hands.
Oh, you mean?
Ferris Manus.
Yeah, Ferris Manus.
Ferris Manus.
Which is Iron Hands.
Oh, fine.
Who has Iron Hands?
Yes.
Okay.
So, yeah, Rinsworld.
Wonderful place.
Absolutely beautiful land with a very stable population until a certain character showed
up in the sector.
But the name of Snagrod.
I won't leave if I remember that correctly.
Which I had him confuse the entire book for a different orc that I knew a lot about and
that was Zodgrad.
Much to do about nothing, but it's really funny to imagine him being that orc because
that orc looks like it's a myth.
She has a spikey hair.
Is that him?
Yeah, he's the guy with the long flowing bright blue dreadlocks with the obsession with goblins.
Oh my god.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I love Zodgrad.
Yeah, but no, Snagrod is not Zodgrad.
Zodgrad is the wart snagga.
This guy is the arch-arsenist.
A bit of a difference in title.
Basically, they came to the Rinn sector, which is probably the Loki sector.
I'm pretty sure it's called the Loki sector.
And they took over several different planets that were in that.
So I take over, I mean, completely fucked.
Just burn it to the ground.
I think there was a bit where the Crimson Fist was like, oh, that's a lot.
Oh, god.
Back up.
Yeah.
The invasion was so funny.
Okay, funny because I'm a sardonic piece of shit who thinks everything's funny, but
the Crimson Fists, to go back on what Andy was saying, they're like, yeah, they are very
very stoke, they're like, yes, we have time to prepare how long until they're going to
show off.
Like 14 days at the highest.
It's like, cool, because the tides and the warps are super, super bad.
And Snagrod made an announcement.
Hey, I'm, I'm, and they're like, ah, fuck, he's coming.
So he ended up, they ended up preparing and they're like, oh, cool.
Tides of the warp are going to clear up.
And by the time they clear up, we should have like perfect fortifications.
No, Snagrod is absolutely batshit insane even for an orc.
So he just went through the warp during like a horrible warp storm.
Half his fleet was probably destroyed, but he ended up like five kilometers away from
the atmosphere of the planet.
And Pedro Cantor was like, we have 24 hours before they kind of like imagine, you know,
like in Star Wars, they do like, like speed travel.
It's like, imagine if a death star was just like, we're coming to Earth and it's like,
if we, if we like use fast travel and we're, and we're just going to do it manually and
we're a second lake, we're just going to smash through the planet.
It's like the guy on the helm is being like, go on, I'm going to do it.
And he's like lights me and then he just like, and now, and he's like an inch from the surface
without clats.
It's like, that's kind of the maneuver he didn't, they're like, holy hell, how did he
do that?
It's like, he's mental.
That's why.
Are you telling me he didn't do an episode eight?
A whole new movie in one.
What do you mean?
That's clearly the best Star Wars film ever made.
Enough jokes, enough memes.
Yeah, enough about that.
Too much, too painful.
But yeah, so basically Orc Fleet was set to fuck it, we ball in all of their ships.
Most of them were destroyed.
I would assume, and they never really mentioned how many orcs were destroyed because so many
showed up that it essentially was like cause for alert, because this is one of the biggest
orc was that had ever appeared, which again, for if I had a nickel for every time an imperial
fist successor said this is the biggest orc wall that's ever been in the sector, a lot
of nickels.
But he ended up going to ground, burning a lot of the surface of Ryn's world, the many
different keeps and cities that were there were like under siege, but they're being protected.
The Crimson Fist had a pretty solid plan.
They divided their Marines up to be a Nurent city, which is like the major city of Ryn,
you know, Nurent's world because naming is hard, I guess.
So they put, I think, 400 Marines there, roughly speaking, and kept 600 Marines in the Arx
Tyranus, including Pedro Cantor, Alessio Cortes, and a few other captains and so on were in
like Nurent city.
They had void shields up and they were taking massive amounts of fire.
And they were like, okay, once the orcs run out of ammunition, I think they are going
to take a break and we are going to break the siege, go out, do our own thing.
So that happened, orcs stops firing and the space Marines are like, yeah, fire the nukes.
And this is why you double, triple, and quadruple check when you're firing nukes.
Where was health inspected?
He needed him.
Feels bad, man, feels so bad.
I like to think someone just spilled their coffee.
I like that scene in the Sims where he just spilled coffee and reacted cosnically.
It's quite literally that.
They fired a single 40k equivalent to a nuke at them.
And it goes up and then immediately you turn back down directly onto the Arx Tyranus and
the Hellblade Mountains.
But they even just go further to describe that because the point of the missile was a
drill because we were supposed to breach large ships, get to the center and then detonate.
It drilled directly down to where they kept the munitions, which is a comedy of errors.
Detonated and killed, I think, every single Marine in the Hellblade Mountains except for
I think summer between 30 and 40.
I think it was like 36 total afterwards.
Yeah.
So because someone made an oopsie poopsie, half a chapter just disappeared.
Just imagining Michael Scott just being the one who pressed the button just having that
look of like, oh my God, this is the worst.
Yeah.
So I just ended up with Alessio Cortes, Pedro Cantor and just a bunch of extra Marines that
were there.
Names of which I don't think.
They're just like named but unnecessary Marines.
Heavy sidecarts of Marines essentially.
Yes.
They had to get on a track because I mean they just blew up their entire munitions with
a nuke they launched and the entire planet was under siege.
And they lost their core lemfers champion on which is rubbish.
That's so sad.
Needless to turn talking to the no writer who put that part in.
But I digress.
So their mission then was to make it to New York City fighting through orcs and what have
you to get there.
The remaining 400 Marines that were in New York City were basically holding out as long
as they possibly can because they can't win against that without a full chapter.
The amount of orcs that were there is like Armageddon on a bad day level amount of orcs.
So they're trying to wonder what the fuck happened to the Hellblade Mountains and the
whole story basically just follows Peter Cantor or Lesio Cortes bickering like an old married
couple as they are going because that's the dynamic.
It's like Pedro is like we need to make sure we don't make the chapter extinct and Cortes
is like we need to kill these idiots.
How dare they blow up all our stuff and it's like yeah well I want to get revenge too but
I have a responsibility as chapter master and I outrank you.
It's like oh and they're like good mates but it's like Pedro is more level ahead and he
has like I have to make sure that like you know David who's been like he's been he's
five years from retirement we've got to make sure he lives because it's not his fault that
we accidentally nuked our own base it's stupid.
So let's go back to new new new Rin city and then we'll go to Rin cafe and we'll get a
Rin coffee and it'll be fine.
Good stuff.
It's a definite war between some of them want a glorious last end as obviously the dawn
and curse of dawn trait within them and then Pedro is like but I don't want to be the last
chapter master.
I don't want to go on my watch that would be rubbish.
Ten thousand years and it ends right here like damn boy.
Peter Cantor acts like a dog throughout the entirety of it with like one of those like
long like Charles and that should have loops at the end of it.
That's the character.
Mancatcher.
The little thing yeah the mancatcher like every time like a space marine is like come
on really fun.
He's like no stop.
Come at you.
Yeah exactly because I remember there was like a good scene.
I don't know if this is off on a tangent but it's like to give you an idea it gives a better
perspective of like a lesio Cortes and how like he goes against like the traditional doctrines
of the Crimson Fist.
There was like a pretty fucked up scene where like an orc was just like oh it's gonna be
funny as he throws a random farmer like an orc chopper.
He's holding a civilian over a fire by his feet and he's like is that the one and he's
like oh I'm just gonna like slowly sizzle him and then the Crimson Fist is in position
he's like not specified as the orc.
Yeah yeah yeah and then the Crimson Fist aren't in position yet and they're like we need to
wait until we're in position and like we need to stop them from like mutilating this old
man.
It's like no wait we're not in position we're not and this guy's going ah I'm screaming
because he's on fire and then they're like now and now and now go go go and then like
he's already dead.
It's like yeah but we we got the orcs about a casualty and it's like yeah that poor guy
is not happy about it though.
People always forget how cruel the orcs are.
Yeah everyone.
Oh god it's just the goffs for some reason.
There's too many memes about them I guess so everyone thinks that orcs are nice and
having all this fun and stuff.
They ignore the bits when they're eating godsmen alive.
Enslaving everything yeah.
Rinsed World does it quite well where it portrays the orcs from a normal civilian perspective
and it's like oh my god these things are ginormous muscled green and they're actually I'm not
a challenge to them so they're just enjoying essentially food and they're just playing
with us.
You know what it is?
It's really like that animation of Meet the Pyro from Team Fortress 2 where it's like
when you look at it you're like chatting scaring me and then in his mind it's all like lollipops
and rainbows and like yeah that thing's scary though.
But yeah the point I was going to make because I have to remind myself because I have to
write things down is that Alessio Cortes it's kind of revealed after that entire scene that
like everybody else is like man Alessio Cortes is a compassionate guy when I'm like 90%
certain he just did this because he just fucked those orcs he just didn't like those orcs
because he didn't really care about any of the survivors afterwards because Pedro Cantor
was like hey you saved them you take care of them like you just brought home a puppy
that he didn't really want.
Oh poor poor there's the mother and the children so isn't it it's like a pretty I mean I won't
spoil it as an I won't say it but someone else is probably going to talk about it there's
a really good scene with Cantor and that civilians coming up.
You can if you want to.
I don't want to take it away from anyone because I know there's a good opportunity to like
the best bit of the entire book so I don't have necessarily take away unless.
Do you want me to take it or is there one else want to have a go at it?
Go for it I am gifting it to you and if people want to stop me that's cool.
So it's the scene where the it's the farmer who's just been toyed with and burned the
father died he was the father and the mother and the children are still alive and they
end up following along sort with the Crimson Fist group and they are walking at space marine
pace for a while and they are you can tell like they've the space being to have slowed
down a little bit for them but they've not they're not like lacking like a slacking up
and they are the poor woman is like just she's they even say like she was she lasted a lot
longer than they thought she would and she goes like beyond the point of exhaustion because
she's like carrying two kids and then she has two other kids walking next to her and
then eventually she just collapses and then Cortez and Pedro are like you know what you
have to do Cortez is like you like I know man and then in Cortez's mind he thinks he
has to put the civilians out of their misery because he's as in because like because obviously
they're a liability because you can tell the difference in how Cortez and Cantor think
and then Cantor goes no let me do it and then Cortez is like oh you shouldn't have to do
that bro I'm so sorry and then Cantor says it's about time leans down and then he's
like the poor kids like oh my god they're scared of what they're going to do to my mom and
then he picks up the civilian and says it's about time someone carried you and it's like
oh and then and then he's like you know we are Crimson Fists this is what we are doesn't
matter if we die here or ever and then they start carrying the civilians to the next or
he eventually you know carries the mother to the next rendezvous point and it's really
it's probably it's not as sad as the death of Pollux so death of Dantioch C but it's
definitely a tear jerker in terms of if you read it for the first time obviously spoilers
here but it's a really well written scene because he kind of don't it's definitely
until the last second left out like oh you think he's going to do like basically look
the civilian and be like oh well that was awkward.
I remember when you were saying about that scene and the way they the difference in how
they saw it it just might be that scene from Parks and Recreations where there's the puppy
and it's like Ron Swanson goes I was like oh we can't have the puppy in here it's like
oh he's really cute say no take him outside and kill him no just take him as just the
way that yeah yeah Kordes like completely different strain train of thought with that.
I was thinking of me meeting a park from Parks and Rec when he they have the pig and it's
like where's the barbecue it's this pig.
I have a curly this just says I can do what I want.
I know I know it's it's I think it's one of those like really good scenes in war I wish
if I ever could cover it on my own channel that part properly because I've done a little
bit before I would definitely have that artwork commissioned for that scene because it's one
of those ones where it's like an iconic scene from Warhammer I think it would be definitely
well if anyone is listening out here is an artist absolutely go for it because it's a
great great piece great scene.
It's see I got a very different impression.
I don't know if you can see great stuff different uptations all the time.
Yeah yeah yeah trust me I feel like there's like two diverging paths a person can go when
they're like into Space Marine lore and it's like Black Templars or
this book neat.
I'm finding that one out.
But yeah back to it they ended up gathering like a few other stragglers and survivors
by murdering a bunch of random orcs that were you know in the Rin Forest I believe it was
or just some random forest I was there I can't remember the name per se.
They went through Helen back bringing some stragglers a lot of them did die just from
pure exhaustion a lot the people not the space brings it that doesn't happen I think so they
ended up making their way to New Rin City and it was Dubai like the skin of their nipples
I know what I said.
So they set the charges one of the psykers of the chapter codiciers I believe they're
referred to basically saw that something good or something horrible was coming this way
so we got to keep an eye on this tunnel for whatever so they had like heavy baltars just
as many as they can fit in the like caves looking for whatever thankfully.
Imagine like the conversation is like the two devastated Marines look at each other
and say it was the orcs.
Say it was the orcs dog.
But they ended up making it in an interesting fact that I don't know if they ever elaborated
on it ever or if it's ever brought up again but for some reason the orcs just had shadow
in the warp this one time.
Just it does it can be if anyone has read the Yarrick book on the second war of Armageddon
there is one that does mention how I think just when there's like when there's a war
of orc sometimes it has that effect of essentially it's like being near it's like trying to be
on your phone and then there's like loads of people on your phone near that they're shouting
real loudly essentially it's like it's not really like a it maybe it's the opposite of
a shadow in the walk where it's just too much noise that everything is like gets lost because
there's too much orc just an obnoxious football team fan group just like doing chants and
like shut up I'm trying to get to work it's like it is like holding a candle next to a
flood like a football pitch floodlight essentially you can go can someone hear me it's like oh
well see see me it's like you're trying to make a phone call at Wembley stadium during
kickoff you're like I can't hear you's like yeah no wonder is that chance in the background
I can hear so made it in near and city met up regroup found out that like several of
his favorite captains him being Peter Cantor died horribly to orcs a few terminator suits
were lost and they decided to regroup and then there's just kind of a time skip cool they
were there for I believe a couple of seasons while it was pretty lengthy which if you know
anything about orc was don't let them get a foothold or they're going to just make gargants
they it's just a natural progression of things so they had to have this kind of rush where
they were just trying to hold out as long as possible for like some kind of help until
the gargants were made they had no worry they had no like reason to believe anything was
happening other than early on in the entirety of the invasion during the preliminary space
battle that was just a one-sided stop because of how many orcs were up there they had one
ship of getaway which I think was aptly referred to as the crusader ended up slipping away
through the rings postman made it out right yeah so if there's one thing that I know about
the crimson fist is that if another crimson fist chapter is asking for help nine times
out of ten they are there with bells on so what happened was towards the end of this
invasion a ship returned and that ship was stronghold please if I you know foreshadowing
it that means nothing it was the crusader with like a bunch of other chapters I guess
so they showed up and we're going to support the crimson fists in like their final hour
but they are quite literally like it's like a minute to midnight like they are not they're
pretty late they didn't have any landing zone so they had to clear out an LZ for them went
to the new rin space where there were no landing zones there's like an eye at hand like brother
there is no landing zone there are just orcs the orcs are the landing zone flatten them
right so they secured the new rin landing port by just killing everything that was there
including a few orc war bosses one of which ended up being like it's the it's the very
typical orc thing of like they can be this big named cool guy I think his name was like
mag kull and he killed like a space marine terminator captain earlier in the book showed
up and like he killed he murdered fucked off screen like just left him alone with a lesio
Cortez and lesio Cortez just like killed him or no he didn't kill him he got into a fight
they thought a lesio Cortez was dead showed up and then they just murdered him it was
kind of anticlimactic in my opinion secured a an LZ through the ships to drop more reinforcements
down they ended up having a bit of an interesting confrontation with snagrod the arch arsonist
who is apparently such a mad bastard that he barely even wears armor he just shows up
like blood has naked with like a power claw and like yeah a custom force like a big one
of the scout marines is like I've got the shot I'm gonna try and kill this orc warlord
and it's that thing of like ah he's a scout marine and the the captains are like don't
take the shot wait until we're in position and it also has that kind of dynamic of like
brashness versus restraint and he's like no I'm not gonna take the shot I got to take
the shot I was like no no no don't do it don't do it you're gonna miss you're gonna miss
you're gonna miss and eventually the scout takes a shot and it's just like massive force
field and he gets a bunch of his men killed you're like you idiot listen to your captains
it's really unfortunate that brother cannon was going to be turned into a servitor three
weeks after yeah that's got new small mercies small mercies but yeah so they ended up fighting
snagrod and I think if I remember correctly he got away injured they disabled his force
field and they were about to just like okay even playing field you have no armor get him
he has a lot of miles right yeah Jojo just they were about to just grab him but got away
on an orc plane which is very unorkey of him to leave I guess it's a very more key of him
ended up getting away they got reinforced and now every single member of the Crimson
Fist has this tick whenever you say the word orc in a room with them where I mean he came
his head in very early no no no it's fine right it's like the size of the emperor interior
talk if having pork for dinner and it's like you said what no I know it's just chewy
pork killed my uncle I'm gonna get him I'm gonna go punch a pig say no stop it don't
do it so yeah that's the basic story I probably missed I am over simplifying it but you know
why the fuck would you have me on if it wasn't over simplify things made it a good job yeah
rough summation of what happened on you know Rinn's world in the book of Rinn's world and
Traders Gorge Rinn's world and Traders Gorge yeah I forgot about that but the chapter still
around to this day which is a miracle well yeah I mean do you want to say how they got
back to strength I don't know some I might not know as much as you but I know that they
got reinforced during the ultimate founding I don't know if they're one of the chapters
that's because I know there's like two chapters during the ultimate founding you were close
enough to Ravute Gilliman to get like Marines or you weren't close enough to Gilliman well
they just send you the data to make them and if you are that second chapter you met personally
with Gilliman he turned up he was like oh you did a good job of like not dying here's some
Primaris Marines he also gave them a really cool like Balter he's like yeah he's just
like this is yours and Pedro's like well I can't use it because I need one hand free
but we'll give it to our champions it's cool thank you it's nice because I went through
like their their relics and it's like his his his power fist doesn't have a name oh well
it's like dawn's arrow and then there's like another one it's like Gilliman gave this to
Pedro Cantel for not dying and he's like yeah we give us the champions I can't use it I need
I need a hand to punch things with I do have a quote for Eli though if you're willing with
it's of Ravute Gilliman when he arrives at Rinsworld with the reinforcements here you
go oh it's a big one biggie all right I don't I can't do a Gilliman voice but I'll just
say it I have not summoned you for censure but to speak earnestly Robledore and thought
there was no higher purpose to the existence of the Astardes than the unification of man
kind I see that in you also and his determination we high need men who fight bravely even when
faced with great tragedy I have seen with my own eyes in recent days how you inspire
intense loyalty and those around you and I see you hold duty above glory or vengeance
my brother would be proud reassemble your chapter Pedro Cantor and look now to the future rather
than the past the Loki sector and the Imperium entire has need of you nice
and that's kind of the weird dynamic where they've basically got no veterans left they've
got like a hundred plus Astardes veterans and then everyone is a Primaris so they're
like these young whippersnappers don't know how to kill an orc properly and you know grumpy
boys and so yeah they're they're mainly Primaris now but does the Ranger the Eldar Ranger thing
happened in on Rinsworld it's a little story in the space Marine Codex I don't know if
it has enough importance to even talk about it or not you can mention it if you like I'm
I'm less I barely remember it I'm not gonna lie it was like one of my first tales from
the world video so it's really bad I probably unlisted it because all my first videos were
atrocious but that should be a punishment for a challenge we do on the channel where
you have to watch your first ever video and I think everyone here no matter who you like
any you do it you have to watch your first video you wouldn't there's no greater suffering
internally than hearing your own voice just like an Eldar Ranger comes out of a portal
and talks to Pedro Cantor and it's like saves him in his buddies from some orcs and then
he's like I hate Eldar and then the guy's like all right but I'm just warning you about
something and then he leaves it's something like that and then the other one goes oh can
you go where sounds like Eldar are you grimson fist on vigilance I think is that a maybe
I think that I do know a little bit about that how it's like the vigilance campaign which
is supposed I don't know if that is with as it must be with the Primaris reinforcements
but for people listening vigilance is essentially turning into the new Cadia in law so the secret
which my addictum the massive warp storm that like splits the period in such galaxy in two
it's only one planet which is is it the neckman go look like there's a little gap where there's
one planet sort of in the middle of all this warp storm yeah called vigilance and as a
campaign it's one really dangerous alleyway that gets a shortcut so yeah like it's a massive
one like it saves you half an hour but that but that alleyway there's people and walks
and it's full of no it's full of teenagers who are talking about it.
I think you're more intimidating as soon as you get above the age of like 25 it's like
oh it's like 30 like 30 or 20 honestly like oh my gosh especially now it is.
But vigilance down kids.
I do believe the Crimson Fists and Pedro Cantor actually make a proper like big appearance
in the because Abaddon attacks the planet is like oh that looks a bit too imperium.
That looks a bit too safe.
Time to ruin it.
Thanks Abaddon.
He definitely rubbed his hand together licks his lips you know all that looks like about
to destroy that.
Off I go hairlessying again.
I think that's the planet where Calgar and Abaddon have a mini duel but yeah essentially
Pedro and the Crimson Fists I do believe show up and they make like a pretty I don't know
if it's early on or if he appears like later in the campaign but I know that they sort
of act like a rallying point for a lot of other chapters I think some of the iron hand
successes even show up.
They were just they couldn't because of their artwork all their artwork is like them on a
big like a big pile of bodies like as a last time like oh we can do the things like all
right everyone get together.
Ah we're shooting in every direction.
Group photo.
Guys come on something.
Quickly quickly do the painting on last standing.
It's pretty cool.
I love that picture.
They are they are I also think what's particularly cool about Crimson Fists is they actual I
think everything comes of the one the few ones now in 40k which are not Greco Roman
Latin thing they actually have like you know Cortez Cantor.
They have a very very Latin influence.
That's pretty cool.
I like them.
Yeah the natural it's nice how that little bit of extra flavor in terms of otherwise
a lot of them become like carbon copies of each other.
So it's nice that makes it diverse.
There's one thing with their heraldry which is a bit of a weird one because you know everyone
knows they're like kind of deep blue with red.
In the book it says about how like Cortez has green trim because he's in the fourth company
and all of them have different trim and then you look at all the artwork and it's like
no trim.
I'm like that's weird.
So I'm not sure if that's been retconned or not but I'm like.
Similar to I think Ultramarine isn't it?
Ultramarine's fourth company have green trim.
Yeah yeah it's the basic.
But then you never see it.
Yeah it's like pretty much all Codex chapters it's like White's first company, Gold is
second, Green is fourth, Red is fifth I think and then like it's like there's black and
purple and blah blah blah but it's like in the books it's like it clearly states that
SEO has green trim and then you look at all the stuff and it's like oh it's just blue on
blue.
Oh okay.
Need more.
As much as all of us have probably struggled with there always needs to be more artwork
whenever you're especially on our end just like making stuff because we do try our best
to obviously commission stuff but man Warhammer Deathly like there's so much of it it's hard
to get.
The magic together really helps with that honestly.
Oh my god.
It's a big help.
I think there's probably a few of us who have come across a thing where it's like there's
no artwork there's really famous things.
Well there's this chapter with like a fair bit of lore I want to do a video on.
They have like two people I'm going to do execution as soon as like I found two bits
of art.
Two.
And we're going to stretch that across the video.
Yeah.
That's still pretty good though considering even though even though Chris and Fiss in
terms of just Warhammer history for people listening is one I think it's the first ever
space marine depict isn't it?
Isn't it the second edition codecs they were on the front of?
Maybe they're not the first depiction I think that's brilliant.
I think it's like the first one of the cover or something like that because I think it
was Rogue Trader then it was second edition I think and then they are on the cover with
their big last standing like oh space marines and I think they were the first.
Yep they are one of the first official named main schemes in like the game because if I
remember correctly prior to that they were like here's random blue guy like they didn't
really have a name for the schemes and then they came out with like a chart of like like
the original artworks for all of them like the original Salamander artworks is also in
that same book and that are good.
Yeah it's a fucking lucky hammer and you're like what is this?
Right.
Wasn't that one of the original kakarodons and they are like no they're not they're
not grey.
Yes.
Did you know what I'm talking about?
Like they're like oh do you want to mention it quickly?
I know exactly what you're talking about but I adore the original Karkarodon's paint scheme
because their original logo like the current logo of the Karkarodon's neat it's sleek
it's sexy.
But like sharks are like the most sexual creature in the ocean.
Dolphins are not scary animals other than humans that enjoy sex.
That's that thing.
Oh that's no that's keep it up more.
Yeah yeah yeah.
I used to be a biologist I could go on for days about how much I hate dolphins not today
but if you look up the original logo for the Karkarodons it looks like a child's doodle
of a shark.
And it's like no it's not.
He's just there like you can just imagine him just saying like there he is.
But the thing is in the lore is that there are space sharks and there are Karkarodons
and they're now separate.
Yeah true actually I think that's true.
It's a mixed kind of thing because like it's the same thing with like the Minotaur's
where like there was a chapter called the Minotaur's that had completely different
iconography completely different paint scheme.
They existed prior to the Minotaur's that we know right now.
The theories that they were the chapter that was killed.
Man this is a great video.
We're allowed to deviate from the crimes.
We could be we usually talking about food by now so.
Yeah we had a massive debate about breakfast before where we had to talk about how in the
UK we're like it needs to be more savoury.
Yeah these guys hate English muffins with honey.
Literally hate.
It's not called I looked at a picture of it.
What Eli said.
We don't call it English muffin here playing off it's just called a muffin.
I mean I could go I could fuck up a good steak and eggs with breakfast.
Oh man that's oh we're talking pro here.
God.
You're making me hungry now.
Immediately goes on the tangent about breakfast.
Stick into the topic.
We would say like the Crimson Fist that they are still currently about they are kicking
ass in terms of they just repelled or help repel the Abaddon campaign and obviously there's
a bit of like extra flavour to them now.
It's unfortunate that they don't get like they seemingly have had like a bit of love
in the law in terms of books and then they go like oh we've done it now and they haven't
really been touched since.
I guess they get as much as like sort of I don't know I always think of them in a way
like how blood ravens don't actually have like really that much of official official
stuff but then they still are kind of well loved.
I think Crimson Fists I do believe yeah I don't know if creating for a wrong was it
the ninth edition you could play them as a yeah as like they actually had their own
rules I don't I think and I mean Pedro is like an actual character that you can play
with so make sense.
You can't currently buy his model I think.
Are they making them legends?
No I think they might be hopefully they might be primarising him up.
I'm sure Pedro will like most of the chapter masters at some point go through the Cross
of Rubicon.
Tybros and Antioch because GW hates Forge World, Space Marine chapters, Ineco Cardons
and Minotaurs are no longer and I'm grumpy about that.
They don't give a lot of love but hopefully we'll get well luckily too fair if you are
particularly painting along for this or if you're even painting Crimson Fists they are
quite like a nice scheme but I think they're one of the few I always like if you see them
on the table top they actually look quite satisfying you're like a full force I think
it looks quite quite gorge I would say they.
Is there any more lore anyone wants to add to this one?
I've got a few character rundowns but we've already talked about two and just some details.
Go for it go for it.
It's not much but I thought you know it's not much but it's honest work so I thought
I'd just mention some of the some of the the known characters I've only got three because
there's actually not many known characters but we'll start off with Pedro Cantor just
a few extra details so he's known as the Lord Hellblade because he is kind of the regent
of Rinsworld unlike a lot of chapter masters he's actually like he's not just oh I live
here he actually is like in charge of the planet as well which is quite cool he's the
29th chapter master and he's one of the most respected and accomplished studies in the
Imperium and it's a symbol of unerring defiance and heroism and is also just good at not being
a dick unlike a lot of space marine chapter masters you're like we should burn the civilians
to get closer to the enemies like no he's very wise yeah he's tempered and wise which
is what a chapter master should be it's very cool so that's all I want to say about him
but Cortes I just need to mention a few other things about Cortes so he's known as the master
of the charge as captain of the fourth company like we said he he went through the ranks
with Cantor as a young astart he's he was a veteran of the the battle of steel cross
and defense of fortress Maladon and he's continuously been the last man standing of the chapter
in its most difficult battles here's a fun fact he once disarmed an orc warlord with
a sword stuck in his ribs where he basically twisted his body so it kind of got out of
his grip and then killed the orc after he disarmed he's like oh my ribs are a good way
of grabbing this twist stab and that's just kind of the guy he is oh I've got a quote
as well do you want to read this one how it's two characters oh is it is it the second
one yeah it's like second one it's broken up into two characters oh as in it's after
the hello has not seen this quote it's the the one that starts with you've lost an arm
oh you've lost an arm Alessio by the mercy of the emperor you're lucky you're not losing
your life as well I haven't lost my arm brother it's right over there so I'm still in this
I'm fine it's over there or did he get like I whisper I listen listen listen listen
yeah I could yeah because it was like right after the water I could not mention it's kind
of a fan favorite in the community of like fun quotes that Astardes have said he's like
yeah he's just been like fighting with this orc war boss on Rindzware's like you lost
your arms like no I haven't I know exactly where it is I'm looking at it and he's like
grab this is definitely a Monty Python reference here is like no yeah his but a scratch but
a flesh of a space marine's but as far as his fate these days what we do know is very
scant but he was lost during his battle against Drukhari pirates during the wheel of fire campaign
many of the chapter including Cortez believe he is alive within the web way but he's missing
he should be dead but it's Cortez so he's probably not dead and they reckon yeah he
may be lost he's not back with the chapter but everyone is there come on they can't kill
Cortez he's too cool he's a cool guy he disarmed an orc with his rib cage that's pretty cool
so yeah yeah yeah you're not gonna kill him then the immortal as we have learned so there
is seems a bit seems a bit of a waste of like and then he died off screen but it wouldn't
be the first time GW have done that oh he is basically the epitome of I didn't hear no
bell that's a that's Cortez and just like a little character because again there aren't
many characters but there's another one called Esther bandidominova he's a death watch apothecary
and watch captain of the Jericho reach he's just like a neat character who's got a little
bit of lore he's a brilliant medic and genius intellect he doesn't get on with like he's
he's very reserved he doesn't really like fraternize with the rest of his men but he's a xeno biologist
and he's earned the respect of the death watch and inquisition because he's he's the he's
like one of the premier medics in the estates when you get injured in the death watch you
want him to treat you because it's like oh I won't lose the arm that'd be good or I won't
be put in a dreadnought sarcophagus that's a relief and so he has like a waiting list
of like um got brother Gary he's like he's been really badly injured he doesn't want
to be going to dreadnought he's like no I'm not gonna stick me in the box and he's like
yeah get Esther bandidot so those are those are just the doctor house of the death watch
he's the best he's our best goddamn doctor we've got it here everybody if that's everything
that I think that might we might have crimson fisted it sorry I did it again boys didn't
mean to we've crimson I've given the wrong impression or maybe I've just been too honest
to do like the emperor's children screw the pain glove we need to give Hal a foot glove
I'm speaking of pain sock thank you everyone for listening to this episode we appreciate
you guys so much for screening for us so warm welcome guys should you like and share your
time longest road no welcome just because you guys are awesome thank you and many thanks
absolutely fucked the nightlords after 2000.
Yeah, that's tough.
Man, Desimus was a really cool character.
That old now, Christ.
I think it was 2008 or 2011.
It was like an early 2010s.
I'm just like, man, I don't know.
I mean, is it coming back?
It's only a little bit previously in the new storm of iron redo of the art.
Like they're going.
Oh, we've also on the front.
So they're going back to old stuff and revamping it slightly.
So it's like, maybe there's hope.
Who knows? Interesting.
It's one of those things where it just won't be touched until they want to do.
If your faction has an omnibus, it's over.
Right.
I mean, it's not wrong.
I I hate it so much.
But yeah, nightlords are kind of my closet pick.
That's the thing that like I'm like twitchy.
OK, nightlords and leagues of vote.
And the leagues of vote.
And there's not much about leagues.
Yeah, you don't have to say it like that.
This is this is a nice place.
We're not talking about.
Not anymore.
What?
What do we have?
Is there problems?
Do we have problems?
Or leagues of vote?
I think any of us got any
considered expert level.
I don't.
Yeah, I just don't like that they made the new faction before
even giving me noise marine kids.
But, you know, it's fine.
Valid leagues of vote.
And I know everything there is to know about them, which is like.
There's not much.
We haven't gotten a book yet.
I've read all the codexes and like book entries for them.
And I'm trying to stay up to date to be that guy.
But, you know, those are my two.
We may have to if you're up for it.
You may have to obviously if we're talking about leagues of vote
and hope you can vote on our leagues in five years when we got.
Of course, I'd love to.
Again, there's not much to know about other than one of the characters
might just be like I don't have one last one, though.
It's a tough question.
Tough question.
Clearly tough.
Can't even get it out.
Who's better, Sevatar or Talos?
Better in one way to you.
Oh, our heart.
Not even a difficult question.
Sevatar, great character, love him to death.
Talos is one of those guys that like like.
Oh, no.
You don't know what landmine you've stepped on.
Hey, tying people together and helping them to create a psychic
screech to murder people.
I'm looking at them.
It's a long time.
This is an art project.
He's just being creative.
He's just creative.
He's don't shame him.
Nice.
With that being said, though, thank you so much for coming on
and helping us illuminate people on some crimson fists.
Obviously, the story of Pollux, of Cantor, of Cortez.
I hope you everyone enjoyed this and we've got some interesting topics
coming up soon.
I think soon it's our one year anniversary for coins, which is crazy
that it went that quickly.
We're not ready to feel that time passage go.
Sorry.
And with that being said, thank you so much for listening, guys.
And we will catch you all on the next one.
Peace.
Farewell.
Love you.
Bye.