1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,400 You know what they do when they're bored? Talk to their horse. They have no friends, talk to their horse. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,360 Pretend, pretend, country. It's not a country, it's a feast up. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,440 I fought in your general direction. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,640 Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:34,760 Now go away or I shall taunt you for a second time. 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Hello everyone and welcome to the next episode of Versus. 7 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:46,520 Just a brief little introduction. This is a little video series where we will pit two factions or characters against each other. 8 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:55,360 And essentially both sides will have to argue the merits and also incredibly vitriolic at the end when we get to diss each other. 9 00:00:55,360 --> 00:01:00,840 This week we have Colin and Eli. Colin over here will be representing Empire. 10 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Colin, how are you feeling so far? 11 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:13,440 I am channeling Victor Saltspire. I am more than assured in my victory over the dumb, stupid, idiot horse people. 12 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,040 The vitriol is already starting. I see. 13 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,680 Already, I'd say that for the minute of hate at the end. 14 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,160 This counts as the Abbotonia beginner to expert. 15 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:32,360 An entree, shall we say. An entree of hatred towards the French. Sorry for already going there. 16 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:37,440 Eli will be representing Bretonnia. Eli, how are you feeling? 17 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:42,040 I'm feeling good. I'm sure our glorious and beautiful nation will prevail. 18 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,960 And the Code of Chivalry demand I do not speak ill of my honorable combatant. 19 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:50,480 So I shan't say anything in that matter. 20 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:52,160 He's risen above it. He's all above it. 21 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,320 See if he can rise above a doomstack of Hellstorm rockets. 22 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:01,360 Well hopefully he won't have to rise above it at the end when he gets to unleash his hatred. 23 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:06,160 But that being said though, we will begin the first round with Colin. 24 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,160 Colin, are you ready? 25 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:09,400 Aye aye, Captain. 26 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,360 Aye aye, Captain. Your five minutes begins now. 27 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:21,160 So let me just say, the Empire of Man, for its proper name, is quite the empire. 28 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:28,040 It's been around for 2700 years. The calendar in the Warhammer settings is the Empire of Man's calendar. 29 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,040 Just to already show you right out the gate. 30 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,760 The whole setting does revolve around them. Rightfully so, might I add. 31 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:40,560 Because they are the greatest nation of man on the entire Warhammer world of Warhammer fantasy. 32 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:45,880 They have the best science in all of the world. 33 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:51,640 And you might say that's the dwarfs. Well the dwarfs, if it's not a blueprint for 50 million years, just doesn't count. 34 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:55,760 So I'm willing to put that in the Empire's corner. 35 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:01,960 While perhaps the elves beat them in magic, the Empire's job is not to be the best in any one role. 36 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Because you see, they know their strengths and weaknesses. 37 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:12,120 They know that sure and mayly a Chaos Warrior might win, but the Chaos Warrior doesn't have 50 cannons and a tank behind them. 38 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:18,000 Whereas the Empire does. And that is the true glory of the Empire as a faction Warhammer. 39 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,640 Many people think you gotta be the best at something to win. 40 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:27,440 You need to be good enough, and the Empire is more than good enough in whatever it puts its mind to. 41 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:34,680 In its thousands of years of history, it has fought literally everything the Warhammer world has to offer. 42 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:44,040 Befitting them as the inspiration for the Imperium of Man, meaning they're the ones who are going out and doing a pretty good grunt load of the fighting. 43 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:51,440 And them, when a push comes to shove and it's time to save the world, it is the Empire who steps up and handles everything. 44 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,440 At least in modern Warhammer. 45 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,240 You know, Chaos Invasion? You better believe the Empire's on the front lines. 46 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,440 Norscans, which are Chaos but slightly different because they're more raiders than anything. 47 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,200 It's the Empire dealing with the brunt of them and they deal with it handily. 48 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:16,000 Wood Elves, because Durthu has decided that the Grey Mountains belong to him and Gnuln because his AI in Total War is bloodthirsty. 49 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,840 Well, that's the Empire's problem again and they make sure that damn tree man goes back to his forest. 50 00:04:21,840 --> 00:04:25,840 Bretonia? Well, you know, less said about that. 51 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:33,040 I know there was a certain battle where a Bretonian Grail Knight decided an honorable duel was the best way to win. 52 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,440 And you know, I will give what little credit is deserved. He did win the duel. 53 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:43,840 And then got blown apart by cannons because the Empire General took the time to set up artillery. 54 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:51,200 While the Bretonians were busy, I don't know, thumb up their buttholes and just watching their leader do a duel. 55 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:58,400 And forgot that this is a military campaign. So that was a resounding Imperial victory. 56 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:05,360 The Skaven, shout out to my man, Mandred Skaven Slayer, got rid of all those damn rats. 57 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:12,400 I mean, it could just go on and on listing amazing empires, emperors, pardon me, Magnus the Pious. 58 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,760 The second, I'll go second greatest emperor, Sigmar. 59 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:24,400 Sigmar thinks third. He got the whole thing going, but Magnus the Pious was, you know, he was a real, he was a G. 60 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:33,680 He knows the value of cooperation, something not many war hammer factions quite manage to grasp, especially in 40K. 61 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,320 But Magnus the Pious, he got the dwarves involved. 62 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:42,640 He got the elves involved to set up the colleges of magic and made sure that the Empire could truly blossom. 63 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:48,640 They have the colleges of magic, so they have safeguards and ways to train wizards so they know to explode. 64 00:05:48,640 --> 00:06:01,280 They have the engineering colleges and Gnome, so they have science at the forefront of it that mostly does not end in the engineers exploding with test fired, misfiring cannons. 65 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:10,720 It's all very reliable, good stuff. The Empire is something for everyone from the most farty forester in the forces of Ostlend 66 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,640 to those who want a more cosmopolitan approach in Altdorf. That's a big word I stumbled. 67 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:27,120 And of course, this goes nothing without saying, mentioning the Big K himself, Carl Franz, prince and emperor, ruler of Altdorf, 68 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:32,240 wielder of the Rikeland Runefang, if I keep giving all of his titles I'm going to lose all of my debating time. 69 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:39,200 He's the greatest statesman in the old world, the best emperor of the Empire of Man, the best emperor in all of Warhammer. 70 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:45,840 Because he's not stuck on a chair. He's got his god hammer, he's got a cool mount, and he gets out and gets stuff done. 71 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:52,160 He knows how to talk you out of an argument, and if a push comes to shove, he's going to cave your face in with Galmaraz. 72 00:06:52,160 --> 00:07:01,280 And truly, the Empire is just the best. It is simply the better faction in this debate and Warhammer fantasy. 73 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:09,760 Whatever you want, whatever historical inspiration you need, whatever you could possibly want in a faction, the Empire provides for you. 74 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:15,600 And with that, with faith, steel and gunpowder, I end the first round of my argument. 75 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:22,000 God perfect timing. Christ. Wow, bang on the dot for five minutes. 76 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Well it's a strong, I'd say quite information heavy start, but I think Eli has got his rebuttal coming up. 77 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Eli, are you ready? 78 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:32,960 Yes sir. 79 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,800 Your five minute time limit begins now. 80 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:43,920 Thank you. I was originally going to watch the response to Pancreas No Work video and just copy that guy's argument for fun, 81 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,280 but I decided not to, so I won't troll that hard. 82 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,160 Anyways. 83 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 It was a good video. 84 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:55,520 Here in the great and beautiful land of Bretonnia, we all strive for the betterment of our nation. 85 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Our land is beautiful, filled with golden fields, mystical forests, and the fresh sea. 86 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:06,480 The king rules with a just and strong hand, while his noble knights watch over our fields and protect the weaker folk. 87 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Heroes trod these lands, defending the realm far and wide from all the evils that beset it. 88 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:19,200 The great lady blesses her knights, giving them superhuman abilities as they undergo glorious quests of chivalry. 89 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,920 We work together as a unified people to defend the weak and uphold justice. 90 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:31,200 When the time calls, all fellows will band together and take up arms to fight against evil and take victory in the darkest hours. 91 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,280 The knights of Bretonnia are unlike any others in the old world and the new. 92 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:42,480 No mortal man may come close to their incredible ability, and the tale is even greater for the incredible lords and ladies. 93 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,600 The codes of chivalry are among our most sacred traditions. 94 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,440 These codes are law and demand that justice be upheld and that the strong defend and care for the weak. 95 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,440 Yes, there are lesser men who neglect these codes and treat their people poorly. 96 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,840 And such a thing is inexcusable, yet all nations contain corruption and evil. 97 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Instead, let us look to the good, for Bretonnia is truly a land of honor, glory, and nobility. 98 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:11,200 Paladins walk the lands, searching out monsters, foes, and injustices wherever they go. 99 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,640 Some may simply stay upon their duke or duchess' land and protect their borders from abominations. 100 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:22,480 Grail knights have taken up incredible quests and done unbelievable things to gain the favor of the lady. 101 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:29,280 At her lake, they sip from her cup and are granted supernatural power, taking them far above any mortal. 102 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:35,680 Some knights ride atop the beautiful Pegasus, soaring into battle and decimating the forces of terror. 103 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:41,760 Some have even gained access by the wood elves into their glades, for that is how pure they have become. 104 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:47,760 I may speak of one knight who traveled through time itself to slay a great green dragon and save his wife. 105 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:54,000 While Bretonnia is beset on all sides, such as many of the forces of good are, they do not waver. 106 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,480 The brave knights lead from the front, rallying their people from peasants to lord, 107 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,320 all partaking the defense of Bretonnia no matter how large or small. 108 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,080 The Lady of the Lake is worshipped throughout the land. She is the goddess of purity, 109 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:11,440 nobility, and courage. She is a just being and withholds grace to those deemed evil, 110 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,960 therefore only giving her blessing to the pure of heart. 111 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:21,280 She chose Bretonnia as she saw them to be the only ones worthy amongst all of humanity to serve her cause. 112 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:27,120 And do not be mistaken, for she is as much a god as Sigmar and the other deities of the world. 113 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,720 I'll bank my time for part two. 114 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:35,600 Oh, that's pretty, I'd say that's quite an impassioned opening speech there. 115 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,760 Quite eloquent, I have to say, Eli. 116 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:45,440 I do have two questions for both of you beautiful boys, and I'd like Colin to ask it first. 117 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,160 It's a little bit of an easier slam dunk one. 118 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,280 They aren't, mate. 119 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,800 But I hope it's, it's just this one to get people cooking. 120 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,400 Obviously, we all know chaos is an enormous problem for all the, 121 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,000 no matter what genre or setting you're in, it's pretty much the end all. 122 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:09,520 So I'd like to ask, how would your faction best deal with chaos, Colin? 123 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:14,320 Well, of course, it depends on the scale of the incursion. 124 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:19,760 You know, for the big old battles that we as Warhammer fans and YouTubers 125 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:25,280 love to read about and talk about, the Empire's military will never be found wanting. 126 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:30,480 They will set out with the aid of their allies, the elves, the dwarves, 127 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:36,560 and of course, glorious Kislev, and ensure that however far chaos gets, 128 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:40,400 it will not achieve victory and they will be driven back into the wastes. 129 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,960 For smaller stuff, the Empire, of course, has the witch hunters. 130 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:54,640 They prowl the cities and, pardon me, the different little elector states of the Empire, 131 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,760 and make sure that wherever heresy may lie, it will be rooted out with efficiency. 132 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:04,640 And you better believe they do a good job of it, because witch hunters are, 133 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,240 well, they're trained to be the best. 134 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,400 And if you ever played Vermintide, they're damn good in a fight too. 135 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,840 Shout out to Victor Saltspire. 136 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:21,600 And as a bonus, they usually don't kill entire towns in the way that planets in 40k tend to get 137 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:27,280 exterminated. They will find the root of the problem, they will drive it out, 138 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:29,920 and then they move on to the next. 139 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:35,280 So the Empire has quite robust systems in place to make sure chaos can't get a foot in the door. 140 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:43,360 If it does, they do get in the door, they shut the door on the damn thing's face and problem solved. 141 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,800 They stop the tour of chaos repeatedly, we could say. 142 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,320 It's quite efficient. 143 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:54,000 I'm surprised that video, there's a terrible reference, but there's a video where someone says 144 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,760 your brain stops you from stubbing your toe, and in the background this guy just 145 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,560 stubs his toe repeatedly just to prove it. 146 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,480 There's no relevance to this argument. 147 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:05,120 I can't see that. 148 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:05,920 It's the loudest bit. 149 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,120 It's the loudest bit. Sorry, boy. 150 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,480 I've challenged the same question to Eli about stone tubbing. 151 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,600 How would Brutonia best deal with chaos? 152 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:25,600 For an invasion, we would rally the people and band together and defeat the hordes of 153 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,880 chaos with our glorious lords and ladies charging from the front. 154 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:34,320 We've had single men defeat greater demons, because that's just how epic the space marine 155 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,760 grail knights truly are. We have space marines on horses, don't forget it. 156 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,720 As for internal conflicts, we have pious people. 157 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,720 They don't gotta worry about chaos because they believe in the lady. 158 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,720 Good answer, good answer. 159 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,720 And I have one last one for you both. 160 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,720 Colin first. 161 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,760 I'm a big fan of this one particularly, because I believe, even though it's not a tangible 162 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,760 argument, I think it's still important. 163 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,760 Explain your faction's best drip. 164 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:04,720 What's the best look? 165 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,720 Why has your faction got the better look? 166 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,720 That's quite the difficult question, because the Empire has all sorts of drip. 167 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:20,720 There's of course, I am as always quite partial to Karl Franz's drip. 168 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:26,720 He's got the wonderful plate armor, he's got the sash, he's got the helmet with the 169 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:32,720 red, white and blue plumes on it, he's got the little golden griffin on top of the helmet, 170 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,720 the hammer, but there's more than that. 171 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,720 There's Boris Toddbringer and his funny little castle he's got in his helmet. 172 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,720 Shout out to my man Boris. 173 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:48,720 There's the great swords who go into battle, the zwayhanders and all of the puffy clothings 174 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,720 and puffy hats those entail, which are just great. 175 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,720 Even the knightly orders may I add as well, I almost forgot about that. 176 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,720 Oh of course, they, I think Bretonnia thinks they have the monopoly down on knights? 177 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,720 Well, they don't, they don't. 178 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,720 The Empire has knights too. 179 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:08,720 The Reichsguard especially, quite dripped out as they should be for the bodyguards of 180 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,720 the Emperor. 181 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:16,720 And of course, this is something that I think will be hard to match, Felix Jäger is from 182 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,720 the Empire and that man is fashionable. 183 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,720 That is a fashionable man, he knows how to adventure in style. 184 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,720 So I think the Empire's got drip at every level. 185 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:34,720 I'm partial to a cheeky demi-griff with a halberd in total, I'm gonna lie, the way they 186 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:35,720 run. 187 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Damn got me jealous. 188 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,720 Eli, I'm not that jealous I can run the same way. 189 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:46,720 Eli, I pass this to you, why has Bretonnia got the best drip? 190 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,720 I think we all know undeniably, Bretonnia has insane drip. 191 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,720 Every single one of their knights looks so freaking cool. 192 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:57,720 We have Pegasus knights, the beautiful pure horses with the dripped out dudes on top, 193 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,720 the fey enchantress is just Caladriel, the most beautiful woman in the land, King Louis 194 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,720 has his fancy crown, have you seen Albrecht, I don't remember his last name, the old deborder 195 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,720 Lou? 196 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,720 That guy's dripping carnate covered in gold. 197 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,720 Bro, come on, you know those old Lego sets with the knights in them? 198 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:20,720 They're kinda like, yeah, you can't tell me those weren't the coolest things ever when 199 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:21,720 you were a kid. 200 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,720 And Bretonnia's just that with Warham. 201 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,720 I will say, and I'm partially saying it because I did say it in my video and so I won't bring 202 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,720 it up, I did admit Bretonnia does have drip, knights look cool. 203 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:38,720 It's a tough one to argue against, especially I imagine quite a lot of us are total war 204 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,720 medieval 2 players as well, so that's pretty much our childhood screaming at us right now. 205 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,720 There is a undi- oh, sorry. 206 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,720 If we look at the new models coming out for old world, I see some Bretonnia in there, 207 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:52,720 they're pretty drippy. 208 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,720 Isn't there a guy standing on someone's head in a mod? 209 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,720 Paladin probably? 210 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Yeah, the knight paladin with the little antlers on his head. 211 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,720 When you add antlers to a design, it's automatically just way cooler. 212 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,720 I don't know what it is, it just makes it feel more connected to nature, but in a way 213 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,720 that nature is going to kick your ass. 214 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,720 As a side question, does the Empire have any answer for the green knight in terms of drip? 215 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,720 Ooh, that is quite the good question. 216 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:29,720 I have to say, both their founders, the green knight- spoiler alert! 217 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:36,720 Giles Le Breton, the founder- I'm not going to say it like that. 218 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,720 The hate starts again. 219 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:46,720 Giles Le Breton is the founder, and I think it's only fair to compare him to Sigmar. 220 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:54,720 I would say, I'm personally a bigger fan of Sigmar's drip, the raging barbarian chieftain 221 00:17:54,720 --> 00:18:00,720 look, where he's got the furs, occasionally he's just shirtless like Conan the Barbarian. 222 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:06,720 Sometimes he's got the fur armor and the pelt, and always wielding Galmaraz, because I know 223 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:12,720 it's a whip, but it is part of Sigmar's gear, I would say it counts as the drip. 224 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,720 That's a pretty good answer. 225 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,720 So, I'd say the answer to that is the Empire's own founder, Sigmar. 226 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:27,720 Well, I'm not going to lie, there's been some good points on both of those questions to be fair. 227 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,720 It's definitely made it very even-steven, Steven if you know what I mean. 228 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:33,720 It's quite tough. 229 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,720 With that being said though, I think we have to move on into the next section. 230 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,720 Are you guys both ready? 231 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:40,720 I am. 232 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,720 Colin, you're up first. 233 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,720 Are you ready for your next three minutes of... 234 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,720 Maybe there's some hate, we'll have to see. 235 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,720 We'll have to see if it gets going. 236 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,720 Your time begins now. 237 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:57,720 Alright, well I think now's the time to do some, you know, a little bit of undercutting, I'll be honest. 238 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:02,720 So Eli brought up, you know, the Lady, the goddess of Bretonnia, and I know I... 239 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,720 I can't help but wonder, what's the Lady's real name, Eli? 240 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Do you happen to have an answer for me? 241 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,720 I think it starts with an L. 242 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:14,720 Liliath, the high elven god of magic. 243 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:20,720 Quite curious that the Bretonians seem to not make that connection, that their chief god has pointy ears. 244 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,720 Not that I'm against, you know, worshipping the elves, I'm the last person to be against that. 245 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,720 But they do it in a way that's quite cocked, if I may say so myself. 246 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Whereas the Empire has not just one mighty god. 247 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,720 Sigmar of course is the main god, and he is just Sigmar, the man-turned-god. 248 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,720 So no divine cuckoldry going on here, he is the Empire's god. 249 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,720 But it's not just him, they have plenty of other mighty deities. 250 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,720 There's of course Ulric, the Winter Wolf. 251 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,720 He's very cool, and Sigmar's own personal god, so... 252 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,720 The Empire has so many powerful gods that their chief god worships a god. 253 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,720 Quite nice. 254 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:06,720 All of whom are gods of man, not elf gods masquerading to trick an entire country into being their puppet state. 255 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,720 Where... and there's plenty more than that. 256 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:17,720 There's... wow, I completely blanked out, alright, maybe there's not plenty more than that. 257 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:28,720 Tal, the god of the hunt, sort of an equivalent to Kernos, although he is an equivalent, not Kernos in a funny hat. 258 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,720 And the Empire just has everything it needs within itself. 259 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:40,720 It has all of the weaponry, all of the science, all of the magic it needs to properly win. 260 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:47,720 And another thing about their gods is, quite interestingly, they give the power to whoever needs it. 261 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:53,720 You don't need to go on this stupid massive quest to feed your... to drink the holy bath water. 262 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,720 Sigmar sees you're in trouble, and he empowers you to win the day. 263 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:03,720 He's done that to a vampire of all people who proved she wasn't a Manfred von Karstein vampire. 264 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,720 Genevieve, to very long name, not saying all of that. 265 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,720 And of course to say nothing of Ulric having werewolves. 266 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,720 I don't see any werewolves in Bretonnia, and werewolves are awesome. 267 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:22,720 Another fun point, the Empire fights vampires much more effectively than Bretonnia does. 268 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,720 Last I checked, Mosin Lone is always just a little cancer there. 269 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:34,720 Whereas Sylvania has multiple times been brought under Imperial control, until Manfred ruins everything because he's Manfred. 270 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,720 And just one last point, the treatment of citizens. 271 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,720 You may say Bretonnia is simply everyone, almost everyone is good. 272 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,720 The Empire has problems, but it works to fix those problems. 273 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,720 Unlike Bretonnia, who just ignores them and says there is no problems, peasants shouldn't be allowed to eat. 274 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,720 The Empire fixes where it goes wrong. 275 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,720 Unfortunately, the peasant hate hasn't... 276 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,720 Well, it wasn't. 277 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,720 But, uh, the peasant, we couldn't quite get into the peasant. 278 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,720 But speaking of possibly talking about peasants, Eli, are you ready? 279 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:08,720 Love me peasants. 280 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,720 Love me peasants. 281 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:10,720 Yes, sir. 282 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,720 Are you ready? And your time begins now. 283 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:19,720 Alright, let us speak of our heroes, for Bretonnia after all is a land of heroes. 284 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:25,720 The Fae Enchantress speaks for the Lady of the Lake, giving her power and influence over all the land. 285 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,720 She is an incredible magic user who will always defend her followers and show mercy to all kindred. 286 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:37,720 The Enchantress is followed by Grail Damsels, similar to that of Grail Knights but wielding magic instead of blade, and they're all ladies. 287 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,720 King Louis de Encore is our warrior king, who is honest and noble. 288 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:47,720 He will not allow the laws to warp justice, and he rides atop his grand hippogriff at the front of the battle. 289 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:55,720 Our Brut de Borrelo is an undefeated lord who only allows those knights with utmost courage and honor to reside within his court. 290 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,720 Rapace de L'Aignes is our very own Jean D'Arc. 291 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,720 From peasant to duchess, she became the crusading light of our lands. 292 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:15,720 She is truly a champion of the people, as she has started from the most humble of beginnings, showing us that it is not impossible to gain glory in even the lowest station of our Bretonnia. 293 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,720 The most legendary and mythical of them all, who was spoiled a little bit earlier today, is that of the Green Knight. 294 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,720 He was once childsly Breton, first king and founder of Bretonnia. 295 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:33,720 He appears when needed most, and is the sacred protector of Bretonnia, outparading out of thin air to smite his foes. 296 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:40,720 He is unstoppable and undeniable upon the battlefield, as his ghostly steed charges through the most horrific of foes. 297 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:49,720 He has slaughtered thousands of beastmen, so much so that they have given him the name Soulkiller, and tremble at even the mention of the warrior. 298 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:57,720 These are but a few heroes of the land, not to mention the superhuman Grey Knights and Paladins who have been granted incredible power from the lady herself. 299 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,720 Also, the Red Duke is cool, so it's okay that Muzalan is still there, cause he has plot armor. 300 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:08,720 And they can't kill a main character. Even though he's not on a legendary load in Total War. For some reason. 301 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,720 See, they really made Yombo before they made the Red Duke. 302 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,720 Rightfully so. You want those to be cool? 303 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,720 He is cool, I did a video on him. 304 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,720 Actually, no, I don't- the beastmen lady- I'm done with my argument by the way. 305 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,720 Time stops there. 306 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,720 The beastmen lady I had never even heard of until- 307 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,720 Oh mother of Stankia? 308 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,720 Yeah. They made her before the Red Duke. 309 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,720 Yeah bro! They made her up! 310 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,720 They made one up before doing the actual characters! 311 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,720 They made all of Cathay up before doing the Red Duke. 312 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,720 Oh my gosh, I forgot about that. 313 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,720 Ah, Total War pains. 314 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaking of pains, I'd like to ask you guys just two quick questions here. 315 00:24:52,720 --> 00:25:00,720 A little bit more- I'm a little bit more unfair on some of these ones, but again, a little bit easier one to start with. 316 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,720 Colin, how would your faction best deal with the other? 317 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:06,720 With the other? 318 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,720 With Eli's. 319 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,720 Oh, so like Br- ah. 320 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:16,720 Well, I think I gave an exact situation where the Empire handily dealt with Bretonia. 321 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:24,720 The Empire, being a military- having a proper military, not LARPers on horseback- 322 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,720 challenged the Bretonian Greylight in charge to a duel. 323 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,720 And like I said, fair's fair, Bretonian Greylight in melee are rather strong. 324 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:40,720 And despite the Imperial General- it was either Ludwig Schwarzhelm or- 325 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:47,720 I'm forgetting- it was a name character and I'm quite ashamed of myself for forgetting his name off the top of my head. 326 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:54,720 But despite being a damn good swordsman or melee fighter himself, he ultimately lost the battle, the duel. 327 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:01,720 And the Bretonian, I should say, commented that he was a damn good fighter and he was ashamed to see him killed. 328 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:09,720 Whereas the Empire General just kind of was like, very funny sir, allow me to retort. 329 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:17,720 And then cannons that were maneuvered into position blew the Bretonian army away, including the head off of the Bretonian Greylight. 330 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,720 And that's one of the ways the Empire would win. 331 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:27,720 They'd fight as a military, not as a medieval war reenactment society with Renaissance-fair honorable duels. 332 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,720 They actually played a win. 333 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:38,720 And aside from situations like that where maybe they have the rare Bretonian who isn't huffing his own farts as in charge and knows he has to win. 334 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:43,720 Rockets, cannons, guns, halberds, Bretonian is all about horses. 335 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Well, the Empire's halberdiers, which are both in-game and by the fact of being long pointy sticks, anti-cavalry. 336 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720 Cannons and rockets, quite good at dealing with people on horseback. 337 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,720 To say nothing of the wizardry the Empire possesses. 338 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:04,720 Bretonians may have its own wizards, the damsels, but the Empire has a much more versatile kit to work with. 339 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,720 Being able to wield every single of the main lures of magic against the Bretonians. 340 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,720 Wow, that's hard to do. I don't like that. That's hard to do. 341 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,720 Come again. Eli, how would you best deal with the Empire? 342 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:25,720 Well, firstly, we would likely not invade the Empire because that would be quite rude to do to another human civilization. 343 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:33,720 But if we did, we would succeed through chivalry and honor, unlike these dogs shooting bullets at us. 344 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:40,720 I'm sure our superior maneuvering upon horseback would be able to get around those, as you know it does in Total War. 345 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:47,720 Because you can win in Total War with just horses against guys with guns, because it's Warhammer. 346 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,720 And perhaps we could even get help from the Wood Elves, because they probably hate the Imperium a whole lot more. 347 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:01,720 The Empire are like we're this. But through sheer faith, courage, and honor, I'm sure we can make it happen. 348 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,720 This man thinks faith in horses can match faith in glorious Sigmar. 349 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,720 And we probably got more peasants than they have bullets anyways. 350 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:14,720 I mean, coming in with a slam dunk slightly in there. 351 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,720 Slight side question for Colin. How do you answer a Grail Knight charge? 352 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Put halberdiers in the front, handgunners in a raised position behind them, and that should be enough to weaken them. 353 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,720 But still not live. 354 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,720 What? 355 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,720 But still not live, probably. 356 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,720 What, the halberdiers? 357 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:45,720 No, I'm just saying, unfortunately Grail Knights seem to have a little bit of main character syndrome. 358 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720 And they seem to be able to do ridiculous things. 359 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,720 Well in that case, the thing about Grail Knights is there's not very many of them. 360 00:28:52,720 --> 00:29:03,720 So while the Grail Knights are tied up in a single unit of halberdiers and handgunners, the rest of the army gets obliterated by artillery, magic, and spears. 361 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,720 You can say, you know, maybe the Grail Knights will win that engagement. 362 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,720 A battle is not one engagement. The Empire will win everywhere the Grail Knights aren't. 363 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:21,720 And then I don't care how damn strong the Grail Knights are, when the entire Imperial arsenal is turned onto them, they're going to fall sooner or later. 364 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,720 Fair enough. I do have one more question for this round. 365 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,720 This one's a little bit mean, I won't lie. 366 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,720 Colin first, justify your End Times Law. 367 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:35,720 Oh, bro. 368 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,720 Oh, that is unfair to both of them. 369 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,720 I don't know my End Times Law very well, I'm not going to lie. 370 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:50,720 As a brief foreword to it, we'll explain a little bit of the End Times Law, which is that the Empire, at some stage, there was a Skaven invasion 371 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,720 that rocked the Empire, I think, and Bretonnia somewhat. 372 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,720 There was a Skaven invasion everywhere, there wasn't all the one. 373 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:05,720 Pretty much everywhere. And the Empire, at many points, did seem to hold against the Chaos Tide. 374 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:13,720 Unfortunately, they did lose parts in Kislev and their northern border, then possibly down to bits in Sylvania too. 375 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:21,720 But then eventually, there was even a Siege of Altdorf, they even got that far in, and eventually all had to be sent to Middenheim, 376 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,720 where the end crimes then entered the setting. 377 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:34,720 Colin, how can you justify the complete destruction of the Empire and its failure at multiple points by certain members of the faction, 378 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,720 such as Balthasar Gelb and others, to possibly fail the Empire? 379 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Well, I will justify it, and I'll even justify it for Bretonnia as well, as GW demanded the setting was ending, 380 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,720 and by God, no one involved inside of the setting was going to stop that. 381 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:56,720 See the Storm of Chaos campaign, where they tried to do that, except it was all based off battle reports and Chaos kept getting wiped. 382 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:05,720 But in the universe, I will justify it by saying that the Empire did more than, arguably, anyone else, and more effectively than anyone else. 383 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:15,720 Even the Elves, who were a bit too busy having the wrong Phoenix King crowned, and too busy fighting amongst themselves, the Empire went to work. 384 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:22,720 The Witch Hunters did their thing, they made an alliance with the Undead, which, not an easy or good alliance, 385 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:31,720 but as we all know, Chaos is the ultimate threat. So it was more of a, we won't stab you right now, let's go kill that Chaos Warrior, and it was good. 386 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:40,720 You mentioned Balthasar Gell, he did do a little bit of an oopsie with the Changeling and try and kill Karl Franz, a little bit of a goof, 387 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:48,720 but I would remind you before that, that he walled off the entire nation of the Empire from Chaos with the Auric Abastion. 388 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:56,720 He simply said, you're not getting in, and then a several thousand feet high wall from Attack on Titan was in the way of the Chaos Warriors. 389 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720 It was so high that it was peaking above the clouds. 390 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:08,720 I'd like to slightly pass over to Eli here, which as a brief thing for people listening, actually a very slightly brief part here as well, 391 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,720 if you guys are listening and you'd like to hear one more fancy stuff, definitely comment down some more one more fancy verses, 392 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,720 because we want the excuse to talk about it, we do love it. 393 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:19,720 For real? 394 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,720 For real, and please do comment that. 395 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:31,720 But for a slight bit on Eli's part, obviously Bretonnia had a slight scavengy slash chaos slash other uprising. 396 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:40,720 They did obviously Guilde Breton, the Green Knight did re-emerge. 397 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:48,720 I believe that Lyon, Lyonqeer did participate in the siege of Altdorf, did get crunked, unfortunately. 398 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,720 And the, what's the name of the vampire? 399 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:59,720 The one who's in who teamed up with the Bretonians, sorry, in Bretonnia at the end of the. 400 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:05,720 Oh my God, he's one of you fought with Neferata and he's like in charge of the dragons. 401 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:06,720 The red trinkets. 402 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,720 What? 403 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,720 Oh, the red duke you mean? 404 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,720 No, do you know who I'm talking about Colin? 405 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,720 The Alcadazar? 406 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:19,720 Are we talking about the vampire who's like the progenitor of blood dragons? 407 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,720 Yes, that's the one. 408 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:21,720 Oh, Abbarash. 409 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:22,720 Abbarash, that's it. 410 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,720 Abbarash I believe did team up with the Green Knight Guilde Breton. 411 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,720 He did. 412 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,720 That's cool. 413 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,720 So it's a little bit. 414 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,720 I wish that wasn't off screen. 415 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:43,720 Eli, how would you defend possibly the complete essentially fall of Bretonnia and then essentially a last bastion being of essentially the grail knights and vampires? 416 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,720 Is there any way you could possibly get around? 417 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,720 Do you think it's better than the Empire version? 418 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,720 I mean, that sounds pretty cool. 419 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,720 I'm not going to lie. 420 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,720 Don't you think? 421 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,720 Green Knight and first blood knight ever fighting off the forces of evil. 422 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,720 I'm pretty sure Lili Leonkirk killed the main Nergal guy, didn't he? 423 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:02,720 Nope. 424 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,720 They both die. 425 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,720 I don't know my end times. 426 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,720 Leonkirk got Festus killed, I believe. 427 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:17,720 It was Sigmar himself who killed the Glotlings. 428 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:27,720 Yeah, I don't know my end times lore, but I sure sounds cool with the last bastions of grail knights and the Green Knight himself. 429 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:29,720 I just fight by saying it was GW's fault. 430 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:32,720 I mean, to be fair, that's a good answer for both people there. 431 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,720 And I don't want to talk about what happened after that. 432 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:38,720 I'm not a real champion of the end times, etc. anyway. 433 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:40,720 We're not talking about Age of Sigmar. 434 00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,720 There will be no mention of Age of Sigmar in this house. 435 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:46,720 Because there's no Protonior Empire in Age of Sigmar. 436 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:52,720 But with that being said, I did want to bring up end times because unfortunately I like to make people suffer. 437 00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:53,720 Thank you. 438 00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:57,720 But with that being said though, we move on to the last section. 439 00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:03,720 We call it minute of hate, but it can be minute of proclaiming your faction to be the best if you want. 440 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:09,720 This is an opportunity for you guys if you want to say something positive or maybe extremely negative about the others. 441 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:11,720 Colin, are you ready? 442 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:12,720 Yes. 443 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:14,720 Time begins now. 444 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:15,720 Oh man. 445 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,720 Fucking stupid worthless Protonians. 446 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:18,720 Fuck it, everything is horses. 447 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:19,720 You know what they do when they're bored? 448 00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:20,720 Talk to their horse. 449 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,720 They have no friends, talk to the horse. 450 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:23,720 You know how they do everything in their country? 451 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:24,720 Talk to the damn horse. 452 00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:25,720 Oh, you haven't had sex in a while? 453 00:35:25,720 --> 00:35:28,720 Go proposition yourself to the fucking horse. 454 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:29,720 That's all they know how to do. 455 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:30,720 It's the horse. 456 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:32,720 Uh, you know, horse. 457 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,720 I would just like say no Age of Sigmar. 458 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,720 I'm bringing Age of Sigmar into this. 459 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:38,720 Empire has models in Age of Sigmar. 460 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:39,720 Protonia has nothing. 461 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:44,720 They were so stupid they got squatted from the entire damn setting in every way. 462 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:53,720 Oh, and by the way, speaking of models, Total War had to invent many of the units wholesale because they were so left behind in Warhammer fantasy. 463 00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:54,720 They didn't have any models. 464 00:35:54,720 --> 00:36:00,720 They were an all cavalry army that the Empire was able to statistically beat in cavalry in 8th edition. 465 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,720 Because that's how little anyone cares about Bretonia. 466 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,720 Those stupid lam... 467 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:06,720 Not lam... 468 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,720 Dumb, stupid, cucked entire country. 469 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:11,720 Or ten countries. 470 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,720 It's not a country. It's a feast. 471 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,720 The Empire of Man may be based off the HRE, but it's ten times as good of things. 472 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:17,720 That's all. 473 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:18,720 Oh, gosh. 474 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:19,720 Okay. 475 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:21,720 That's been building for a while. 476 00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:22,720 It's good for me. 477 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:26,720 Eli, are you ready for your rebuttal? 478 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:27,720 Yes, sir. 479 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:30,720 Your time begins now. 480 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:38,720 I only have a few words to say, but before that I will say, even though we're not in Age of Simmar, I do believe we're the models being updated for Old World right now and the Imperium's not. 481 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,720 But on to my main... 482 00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:41,720 Uh... 483 00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:42,720 Rose for you. 484 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:48,720 I blow my nose at you so-called Franz King, you and all your silly Imperial kniggets. 485 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,720 I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty-headed animal food trough wiper. 486 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,720 I fought in your general direction. 487 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,720 Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. 488 00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:01,720 Now go away or I shall taunt you for a second time. 489 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,720 What is a knigget? 490 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,720 What do you say today, Monty Python? 491 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:08,720 Okay. 492 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,720 I assume that's your time. 493 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,720 Is there anything else you'd like to say in your last ten minutes? 494 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:15,720 Uh, no, that was it. 495 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:18,720 Oh, okay. 496 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,720 Well, I was not expecting that. 497 00:37:21,720 --> 00:37:24,720 Um, that, uh, that threw me off kilter. 498 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:25,720 I'm not gonna lie. 499 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,720 Um, I do have some questions. 500 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:31,720 Good niggas. 501 00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:33,720 Is the Frenchman from Monty Python? 502 00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:34,720 I know. 503 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:40,720 It is, but, uh, we are specifying it's not naughty word YouTube doesn't want us to say. 504 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:41,720 Oh, is it? 505 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:46,720 We're just making sure that's very clear for people listening to the audio. 506 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:50,720 Uh, I do have a question for each of you. 507 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,720 I'd like you guys to answer. 508 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:53,720 I'll actually go in reverse. 509 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,720 I got Eli first here. 510 00:37:55,720 --> 00:38:02,720 Um, Eli, how do you justify the blatant caricature of your faction? 511 00:38:02,720 --> 00:38:08,720 The kind of real laziness to their overall look and inspiration? 512 00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:13,720 Uh, they still look cool. 513 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:15,720 They don't need to be... 514 00:38:15,720 --> 00:38:17,720 They clearly didn't have to work very hard to make them look cool. 515 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:20,720 So, I mean, if it ain't broke, why fix it? 516 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,720 And come on, France in the medieval times is pretty baller. 517 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,720 Oh, that's a better defense. 518 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,720 I thought it was a real low hanging fruit one I've given you there. 519 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:32,720 So it's not a bad defense there. 520 00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,720 Uh, I do have one here for Colin. 521 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:40,720 Um, how do you justify as your faction... 522 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:41,720 I'm sorry. 523 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:46,720 How do you justify your faction birthing essentially the ever chosen and eventually leading to the end times? 524 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,720 Uh, I don't know. 525 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:54,720 With your main man, Archeon, essentially being born and part of the Empire 526 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,720 and growing up in the Empire and then betraying the Empire. 527 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:04,720 How do you justify the Emperor creating nine kids who all tried to kill him and empower chaos more than ever had been before? 528 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,720 You consider that a fault of the Imperium and the Empire 529 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:12,720 to not be able to account for every single human being? 530 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:16,720 By the way, I might also add that the father of Archeon was Bellacor. 531 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:22,720 And even with that, Archeon was a noble knight for quite some time, many decades. 532 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,720 He was one of the most zealous of Sigmar's followers. 533 00:39:25,720 --> 00:39:32,720 The Empire itself did very little wrong regarding Archeon's fall. 534 00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:39,720 It was only when chaos started taking note of him that they decided to act and try and get rid of a future ever chosen. 535 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:45,720 So perhaps you can say, you know, blame the gods in some way for it for leaving Archeon in silence. 536 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:52,720 But the Empire itself did, I would say, nothing wrong in regards to allowing Archeon to exist. 537 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:57,720 The worst thing you can say the Empire didn't do is they didn't kill a baby. 538 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,720 It's like, oh man, what a crime. 539 00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:03,720 You didn't kill that infant because he was born near-ish Norsca. 540 00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:05,720 This is like the Thanos thing, isn't it? 541 00:40:05,720 --> 00:40:13,720 Where it's like, do we go back in time and they make the hand signals like, you know, do we do it? 542 00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:28,720 I'd say it's like they only acted against him after the swords of chaos started taking an interest in him and trying to recruit him to become the ever chosen. 543 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,720 Before that, the Empire didn't give him any push towards chaos, and Archeon was more than happy with that. 544 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:41,720 When he was Diedrich Kastner, he was a noble knight of Sigmar until he wasn't. 545 00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:51,720 I guess a slight add on to that question, which is you did say earlier that the gods of the Empire, the great thing about them is that they give power when it's needed. 546 00:40:51,720 --> 00:41:00,720 And when poor old Diedrich Kastner begged Sigmar to answer him in his moment of need, where was Sigmar? 547 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,720 I think I can actually give a pretty good answer to that. 548 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:11,720 Sigmar was trapped by Zech in the magical vortex of Ulthuan to prevent him from interfering with the Chaos Gods' plans any further. 549 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:22,720 And with that in mind, I would say that it's no small stretch of the imagination to say that in this specific case, with especially Zech of all people probably knowing what Archeon was going to be in the future, 550 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:30,720 that Zech was specifically interfering with Sigmar's ability to speak to Archeon or grant him any sort of boon as a sign of, 551 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:34,720 Hey, no, I'm here for you. Don't do what you're about to do. 552 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:42,720 As, again, Sigmar is stuck in a magical tornado specifically existing to drain magic from the world. 553 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,720 I don't think it's a slight against him to say that. 554 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:55,720 A little bit hard to get a message out when you're doing that and the Chaos Gods themselves are probably actively interfering with you, yourself interfering with the world ending. 555 00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:57,720 It wasn't like... 556 00:41:57,720 --> 00:41:58,720 Okay, so? 557 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:06,720 It wasn't like Sigmar was in the best of positions during, while for quite a bit of his godhood, actually. 558 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,720 I'd say that's a pretty decent response. 559 00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:18,720 Having listened to both arguments here, is there any last point you guys want to make before I make my verdict? 560 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:25,720 Perhaps a last hurrah? Or are you guys ready to let me kind of go through my current thoughts? 561 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,720 If you side with Ertona, you have sex with horses and I hope you get hell-storked. 562 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:35,720 I think the Emperor... the Empire is pretty cool. 563 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:42,720 I mean, he's kind of hit us with some kindness there. That's kind of... it's a last-minute guilt trip, which is actually pretty effective. 564 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,720 I will say, though... 565 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,720 The cult spire does not approve. 566 00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:51,720 He does not. He's looking at me with his one good eye. 567 00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:54,720 Just going through the sections, I think... 568 00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:04,720 Section one, I think Colin talked about the overall faction itself, its great achievements, its strides, its culture, its general power itself. 569 00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,720 You know, the might of a professional army, as he said. 570 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:13,720 I think Eli spoke of it almost in a way in which Bretonnia would speak of themselves in a very romantic language. 571 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:20,720 They speak of their heroes, they speak of their actual... the core beliefs of Bretonnia, which is, you know... 572 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,720 When you ask yourself, what does the Empire believe in? 573 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:32,720 It's maybe not as clear as much as Bretonnia have ideals such as honor, duty, and overall service. 574 00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:37,720 There were some good parts about how to deal with chaos. 575 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:47,720 I think, slightly, Eli's got a little bit of an advantage on the drip side of things, just because, as I did say earlier, some of us grew up with medieval too. 576 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:53,720 And in general, when we look to learn about history, I think a lot of us have drawn to, particularly, medieval history. 577 00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,720 I did admit that Bretonnia has drip. 578 00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:58,720 It does have drip. 579 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:06,720 And on the next sections, again, I think Colin made some good points about specifically the heroes and the gods. 580 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:14,720 As much as Bretonnia has the lady, does make a point that it's technically used as a overall lie. 581 00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:25,720 The lady is an elven godess, Lilith, and it's Bretonnia, as much as there is honor and duty within the service of the Grail Knights, they are essentially serving a lie, in a way. 582 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:27,720 You're still a nice lady. 583 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:29,720 I'm still a nice lady, technically. 584 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,720 She's a very nice lady. She's just cocking them. 585 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:34,720 Very much so. 586 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,720 The Empire does have some... it has their own pantheon. 587 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,720 I can't remember the name of the god of the dead, that one. 588 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,720 More? 589 00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:43,720 More. A bit more. 590 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:47,720 They've got some... a bit more flavor to them, shall we say, in that regard. 591 00:44:47,720 --> 00:44:55,720 Obviously, there's like the entire winds of magic, particularly in Total War, generally used by the Empire, so a bit of flavor there. 592 00:44:55,720 --> 00:45:05,720 And obviously, you know, our beloved, Karl Franz, Prince of Reikland, Emperor, all the titles, as we said. 593 00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:11,720 As much as he is the gigachad of all emperors, so it's hard to kind of argue with that. 594 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,720 Although, Eli does have some good points, like the Green Knight. 595 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:20,720 There isn't really a kind of response to a Green Knight in the Empire, as much as that would be cool. 596 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:25,720 The Green Knight is kind of a unique thing. It's literally like myth, living myth, you know, a theory or unit. 597 00:45:25,720 --> 00:45:27,720 So that's kind of cool. 598 00:45:27,720 --> 00:45:30,720 End times, I guess we could both say that cancels each other out. 599 00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:35,720 Although, I'm also saying, Bretonnia does... it gets off... it's not like Bretonnia is better, it just gets off better. 600 00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:37,720 Like, it has suffered less. 601 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,720 They could kill Watch Green. 602 00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:42,720 Yeah, not in Age of Sigmar, they don't. Oh my gosh. 603 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,720 Yeah, they exist in Age of Sigmar. They're the flesh eater courts. Woo. 604 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:50,720 But I would say being on screen during the end times is much worse. 605 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,720 You know what? That's a fair argument to make. 606 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:57,720 That's kind of a bit more... that's a bit worse. 607 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:03,720 As the last section, Eli was a little bit kinder. I think there's not... 608 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,720 Connor's right, there's a bit of... it's a bit easier to hate Bretonnia. 609 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,720 The horse fuckers part was funny, particularly. 610 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:19,720 Eli, I think also just... I think Eli being a little bit kinder about it, because again, the Empire is maybe not... 611 00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:27,720 Maybe it speaks volumes that you can... there's not as much to hate about the Empire because it's maybe not as... 612 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:30,720 I'd say there's not as much flavour to it, in a way. 613 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,720 It's almost like white bread, you can almost argue. 614 00:46:33,720 --> 00:46:38,720 You can't really hate something that doesn't really make you feel that much love either. 615 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,720 It could be seen from that angle. 616 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:46,720 I will say though, again, Colin did a good defence of the ever-chosen part. 617 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:54,720 I think technically it's not really the Empire's fault, as in there's obviously something that went to play that was larger within it. 618 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,720 But the real answer for that is the writers were going to make it happen no matter what. 619 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:02,720 Which is the truth for most of the artists. 620 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,720 I think Eli did... I mean, there's a good saving answer. 621 00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:12,720 Essentially, Bretonia is caricature, it's pretty much a low-hanging fruit of a faction style. 622 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:17,720 But it works. It does work. It does exactly what it says in the tin. 623 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:25,720 Coming to a conclusion though, this is pretty difficult this one, because in a way they both have so much... 624 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:30,720 The Empire's got so many more wins, but Bretonia wins are just so much... 625 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:38,720 The very few wins they have are just a little bit stronger, if you know what I mean. They just excel in their very specific area. 626 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:45,720 And... I mean, I'll go like Eli, the guilt trip at the end, saying the Empire's cool. 627 00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:47,720 You know what I mean? You feel guilty. 628 00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:49,720 Unbelievable. 629 00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:55,720 With all that hate he mixed in a bit of kindness, which is quite like awe. 630 00:47:55,720 --> 00:47:59,720 I think... I'm actually quite stuck on this one. 631 00:47:59,720 --> 00:48:01,720 I will have to go with... 632 00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:03,720 Oh, it's the coin flip. 633 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:09,720 I mean, I have to go with Empire, I think, in the end, just because I think on paper... 634 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:10,720 Patch. 635 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:16,720 As much as I think Eli possibly had some great points, and it may have swayed my heart a bit more, 636 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,720 on paper, I think the Empire is slightly better. 637 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:27,720 I mean, the professional army point just came back into my head that last second there, and I thought he's right. 638 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:35,720 I think if it was versus each other, as we are in this versus episode, I think the Empire would wipe the Bretonians off the face of the Earth, 639 00:48:35,720 --> 00:48:39,720 and then the horses would be left alone. 640 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:41,720 After that. 641 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:44,720 That's the real rescue the Empire can provide. 642 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,720 I won the people's hearts, and that's all that matters to me. 643 00:48:47,720 --> 00:48:49,720 There were some great arguments, I think, from both sides. 644 00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:53,720 I do enjoy Eli's particular positive attitude towards it. 645 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:59,720 As much as Colin was being hateful, justifiably towards the Bretonians, 646 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:04,720 Eli's shining kindness throughout, just in general life as well. 647 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,720 Eli's a very nice dude. 648 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,720 That made me go, oh, it just kept bringing me back to Bretonia. 649 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:15,720 But again, on paper, I think, unfortunately, Empire do slightly take it. 650 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:17,720 It was close, though, boys. 651 00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:19,720 How do you guys think your competitor did? 652 00:49:19,720 --> 00:49:23,720 Do you have any thoughts for the buddy? 653 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:29,720 Coming into it, I already knew Colin knew way more about the Empire than I know about Bretonia, 654 00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:31,720 and he definitely showed that. 655 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,720 He knows his stuff. 656 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:35,720 It was a good argument. 657 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,720 It was a good show. 658 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,720 A little bit more of a positive end on the episode, this version versus. 659 00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:45,720 Again, thank you guys so much for listening. 660 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:49,720 Again, we love suggestions, the suggestions. 661 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,720 We will obviously try and cover them, particularly if it's fantasy ones. 662 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:56,720 We, again, as I said earlier, we love the excuse just to talk about one with fancy, 663 00:49:56,720 --> 00:49:58,720 because it's still alive. 664 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:00,720 Trust me, bro, I swear. 665 00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,720 The CAs are doing a good job. 666 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:04,720 The CAs are trying to kill it, yeah. 667 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,720 The vinyl nails me, Colin. 668 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:09,720 Hopefully, we'll get back on this and it's changed a little bit. 669 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:10,720 Bro, it hurts. 670 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,720 Come on, come on, Horsham. 671 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:16,720 Old World will come out in the next 10 years, bro. 672 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,720 I'm tired. 673 00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:21,720 After 30 more scouring novels, it's coming. 674 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:25,720 With that being said, though, thank you guys so much for listening and watching. 675 00:50:25,720 --> 00:50:30,720 If you haven't seen some of our other stuff, obviously we have the Beginner to Esper podcast. 676 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:33,720 If you're new or you're kind of very advanced in Warhammer knowledge, 677 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:39,720 it's a great opportunity to kind of either dip your toe in and then have a first listen, 678 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:43,720 learn some stuff, or maybe we'll cover some details you haven't heard before 679 00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:49,720 and obviously there's unreasonably a craft banter between all of us boys. 680 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:53,720 And again, suggestions for verses, we love to hear them. 681 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:56,720 It doesn't have to be fantasy, as I dimensionally know, it can be 40- 682 00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:57,720 It can be Ender Space 2. 683 00:50:57,720 --> 00:51:01,720 Ender Space 2, Sigma, or even other franchises, we love to hear it. 684 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,720 And thank you guys so much for watching. 685 00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:05,720 Peace. 686 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:06,720 Bye, love you. 687 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:07,720 Bye, everyone. 688 00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:09,720 Take care. 689 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:39,720 Bye.