The custodies have never, they have never slain a Primarch, let alone a demon Primarch.
They have failed in the one job, the one job they were specifically crafted to do, protect the Emperor.
So even though they basically, you throw them at a very specific problem, they have failed multiple
times to actually do that thing. And also, they emerged after the heresy, but were forged slightly
during the heresy, but then arrived after when they were most needed. And basically they are knights,
so they are Bretonnia.
Hello everyone and welcome to Lore Crimes Versus, where today we have a little, a special matchup
between the Emperor's Chosen and the Emperor's other Chosen. We have some energy in the field
already, that's what we like to see here. We have, since Hal's seems to be very ready, he'll be up
first with the custodians, the Emperor's own Chosen bodyguard, whereas Andy will be taking it on with
the Grey Knights. Perhaps not his bodyguard, but his ultimate fallback plan. When all is lost to
chaos, the Grey Knights go in. So we'll see which of these two super soldiers reign supreme as it
were. Hal, how are you feeling? You're going to be up first, so how are you feeling first?
There was just so much to cover, oh my god. I don't think I've even got everything, but you know what
I mean, I mean I think it's a, I feel confident, I think I've got this, it's in the bag. Right,
all right, he's uh, he's putting his money where his mouth is, that's good to hear. Andy, how are
you feeling? How are the Grey Knights got you feeling? I think I'm gonna do quite well, I've
just done a video on them, so I'm fairly primed up, and at least they haven't already failed in
their duty to the Emperor, so, good start. Heresy. Heresy. Before we've even started, he's got some
vitriol going, that is what we like to hear. Well, with introductions out of the way, I'm uh, I think
we're about ready. Hal, are you ready to begin the opening argument? I am ready. All right, let me get
the timer ready, and your time starts now. Your Honours, I will speak of the Adeptus Custodes,
the guardians of the Imperial Palace, and the Emperor of Mankind himself. Yes, the Grey Knights
couldn't even get that duty. He is, or sorry, they are perhaps the greatest creation of humanity
itself. To create a custodian, it is no crude gene seed implementation, no rampant injection of
hormones and surgeries, the custodians are hard, the custodians are hand-crafted humans. Their
forging is said to be a mix of technology, mystical arts, that's only known to the Emperor and
themselves. Each one of them is said to be unique in some way, as if their own forging process
requires something special, something beyond what Grey Knights could produce, yeah, already in there.
And the resources to produce them is enormous, but each man is essentially a one-man army,
so you're getting a lot of bang for your buck. They are also, I mean, I'm just gonna get straight
in there on the aesthetics, they are perfectly proportioned, enormous warriors. They're not like
the kind of broided mess that the Astartes are, these are guys that, you know, they're essentially
nine foot tall, inabs, looking gorge. And their story begins in the early days of the unification,
long before the Grey Knights, it were even, you know, the backup plan, the backup plan were needed.
The custodians numbered in their dozens in these early days and they fought with everything they
could. They didn't even have proper arms and equipment, they were essentially were the weapon,
and they battled against the many warlords of terror. They were often outnumbered and outgunned
and facing things that were corrupted by the war, but still they won. I'd like to even point out that
Val'Dar even said to Dorne during the heresy that they have fought battles just as impossible,
as the equivalent was of the Siege of Terror, so they had fought things that were lost to time,
because they would never brag about these things like, you know, Astartes would. Fighting alongside
the early Imperium and the Emperor personally, they helped purge the Thunder Warriors, which may
remind you were stronger and more brutal than Astartes, and the custodians just cut them down
simply. And they did have some help with the little, like, early Astartes, but again that was
because they had to swarm them like little ants, whereas the custodians just can take them on,
no problems whatsoever. In fact, a custodian's strength and speed is about equivalent to nearly
ten Space Marines. Give or take there's some arguments about that, but even Val'Dar himself,
Constantin Val'Dar, he managed to beat Rogal Dorne, a Primarch, in their first ever duel, so
I don't think a Grey Knight could ever come close to actually beating a normal, you know,
Emperor on the ground Primarch, even in their best days. With the birth of the Imperium,
the Imperium is finally ready and is out there, the custodians were wreathed in Oromite drip,
ornate Oromite drip, let me add. It is obviously much better than Ceramite. The Emperor personally
has the same equipment, made out of the same material, so you know it's good. They also are
equipped with genetically coded Guardian Spears. They act as range and close combat weapons, so at
basically any distance they are essentially the perfect warrior. Well, he's obviously a Grey Knight,
you know, you know what I mean? He's specialised, but he's not got the cool drip of my guys.
And as the Great Crusade launched, the custodians fought at the Emperor's side and they cut down
Xenos and non-compliant human colonnades, but their deeds are only known to them because unlike
the Astartes, as I mentioned before, there's no need for a victim parade or, you know,
they have little purity seals, they need to actually have little accolades and they remember
things. No, they don't need all that stuff. And when the heresy finally broke out and the
Webway seals were broken, it was the custodians that fought the combined might of the Chaos Gods
in the Webway, defending Eldar ground. Yes, I'm being cheap there. They fought in the ruins of
the Eldar city for seven years, literally non-stop fighting, and they're pushing, they pushed them,
the superhuman warriors, to the point of where they were tiring, their muscles were literally
tearing and they still kept fighting and they were holding on to the Emperor's dream. They also have
the most incredible scene in Warhammer ever, where the custodians ram their guardian spears into the
ground in the Webway and serpents reload them, they draw out their dual swords and a comet of light
and fire blazes behind them. The custodians, exhausted, battered and beaten, roared in a
scream so loud it burst eardrums and they charged in a phalanx of human perfection and rammed into
hell itself. The custodians also have awesome things like Val'dor, Ra, Emileon, Aemon and
Trojan Wars. Oh my god, I'm trying to cut it all out. Really, really going for all he could at the end there.
God, had more, had more. Well there's uh, there's Hal's five minutes. Uh, Andy, are you ready for your five minutes?
Oh I am more than ready sir. All right in that case your time begins now. Okay well that was a very
insightful intro for the banana boys. Mr Bane of the post office with your ridiculously long names,
where's my post going to this address bullshit. Let's talk about the Grey Knights. So the Grey
Knights were built from the combined intelligence and might of both the emperor and the sigillite.
These were the guys who were collecting the rubble from the heresy when the custodians failed to
protect the emperor because we all know the custodians are quite cool and quite gaudy but
you know they ain't no Grey Knights. The Grey Knights are an army of Astartes which are all
psykers, all the most powerful of the Astartes and even have their own super duper librarians
of which the custodians can't even use psychic powers. So let's leave that life for now. They
are armed with the greatest armaments of the imperium and blessed with the grace of the emperor
himself. They are the 666th legion. They are known as the hammer of the master of mankind. They are
expert demon hunters tasked with the defense of the innocence of humanity. Unlike the custodians
who haven't been able to defend anything in the last 10 000 years hold up in the imperial palace.
Meanwhile the Grey Knights they delve into the most treacherous corners of the galaxy and lay
waste to terrible foes all across the void for thousands of years. Where are these custodians
I've heard all this cool oh they're golden they're shining sitting on their arses all day polishing
their armor. Grey Knights don't have time for that because they have to endure the toughest trials
just to become a Grey Knight. Fewer custodians get picked one day when you're seven years old and you
get made into a super soldier. They don't even have gene seed. Grey Knights have to prove their
worth before they're honored to become one in a million who survived the trials to become a Grey
Knight. Should they band together in unison they can beat any foe. Unlike a custodian who only is
able to fight alone when they work in pairs or groups they're uncoordinated they're flashy they're
very proficient they're champions but they don't work well as as a group. Grey Knights are a force
multiplier. The more Grey Knights the more devastation the more psychic power the more
bolters and blades and anything you need they are far superior as an army.
They're just even their numbers you've got what a thousand a thousand custodians.
Codex Astartes cringe. Grey Knights not even constrained by numbers they go we have as many
as we need and that's a lot. We don't even have to you know the fact that they are the chamber
militant of the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition means they also have special ties to the Inquisition.
They work with so many branches of clandestine orders that not only are they well armed they
have the best information the best ships they have everything they need. Custodians they're
riding on the coattails of the of the unification wars and how's that oh they were here they were
here they were here. Well I can't really defend about stuff when they weren't there when they
weren't even founded but fun fact Grey Knights were trained in a pocket dimension made by them
by the sigilite himself to combat the greatest of demon threats. They even have special equipment
like they have Necron little those little cube things to trap demons and store them in their
citadel of titan for all eternity. What's a custodian going to do going to try and kill a
demon watch it regenerate a hundred times and get tired and get your head cut off. Big whoops.
Grey Knights they get the job done they get it done properly they don't just stave off but they
capture and seal away. I just think that's really cool they can also quell terrestrial threats like
cultists, xenos and renegade space marines if needed they are specialist demon hunters but let's
not let's not let's not forget that they're also just better than regular Astartes and that's
quite a telling thing considering in the Horus Heresy the custodians were killed by the white
scars and the word bearers and the world eaters while they were in prison and unarmed I mean
they can't be that good if an unarmed world eater and his mate can kill you. I don't know it's just
so much smoke and mirrors but there's also the fact that they are also inheriting the the glories of
their founders the so-called knights errant legends such as the last son of Prospero, Janus,
Severian of the lunar wolves and Epimetheus of the dark angels. They are the bulwark, they are
the shield, they are the hammer, they are the sword at his hand and they are the mail clenched around
the emperor's fist. Custodians are cool don't get me wrong custodians are really good they are built
to be the finest in the imperium but they ain't no Grey Knights and the Grey Knights en masse could
best any custodian deployment just because they have the advantage of psychic powers, they have
better equipment, they have more ties to cooperative alliances such as the Inquisition and other
Astartes chapters and I think for now we're going to leave it there before I really unleash the
vitriol. All right stopped about 25 seconds early he sounds confident but he certainly had plenty to
say. Eli have you any questions? Yes yes I have one question I thought that both the arguments
both positions were quite good I'm gonna have to read that book with the custodians because
that sounds pretty cool not gonna lie. Yes. My question Andy talked about this a little bit
already but I had written this question already so uh who has done more for the imperium and provide
examples for your answer? I guess I mean how... Andy go first if you want go ahead. How was kind enough to say oh when
when have the Grey Knights ever beat a demon like they have beaten Angron and Demon Primarch
Mortarion they beat Angron during the Wars of Armageddon and uh Caldor Drago even repped the
Grey Knights by etching the name of his forebear on the heart of Mortarion you're like oh guess what
a custodian once beat Rogal Dawn plain ass Rogal Dawn in a dueling match plain ass Rogal Dawn
yeah yeah he's not even involved in getting bullied. He beat a demon Primarch an ascended demon Primarch a demon prince and then
opened his chest cavity and went lol I'm gonna write my mate's name on your heart before I
vanish you so when you come back I can do it all over again in Chaos Gate Demon Hunter like
come on no contest they they've they've beaten they've got two demon Primarchs under their belt
that we know of and they've also stopped demons from overrunning the galaxy whilst the custodians
were sitting on the toilet in the golden throne or whatever they're doing the literal golden throne
a literal golden throne well that's uh that's two badass answers but I believe E.I.'s question is
what are they what's the most sort of incredible thing they have done I would downright say uh
during the Horus Heresy when the webway was invaded and the fact that if the custodies
like no one else could hold the webway portal for that long if the custodians had not been there
well the species would have been dead because Chaos would have basically consumed terror and
then Horus would have won so that seems a pretty great night's weren't around that time they would
have done a better job if they were there you know it's great nights uh they can save a couple of
worlds sure I mean but saving the species is pretty hard to get close to that you know I mean
also you they're under the Inquisition so you know the Inquisition just uh sort of a bit of a
ball of a mess really as well but I'll save my vitriol for that later good answers from both of
you not completely what I expected Andy to say uh but still good answers and I mean Hal you do have
to compete with uh the power of Matt Ward that is I do well compete with or uh suffer through
area praise ward praise yeah oh god okay the truth is chaos god yeah that's uh that'll be
that'll be my answer so saving the species that's a that's a definite big doesn't save the species
calm down am I right who doesn't save the species am i right is the everyone saves the human species
if you're an Astartes or a custodian order it's part for the course all right but anyways we can
move into the next round it is starting with Andy I don't know how sorry once again right yep I'm
ready all in will set his timer I am everyone uh everyone's ready ready your time begins now
so the custodians I would describe them as the Swiss army knife and the gray knights as bad as
as they are they are more like an elaborate key surely do a very specialized they're very very
good at their niche but even the custodians are capable of basically eviscerating demons they did
it when Gilman arrived back on terror and corn essentially when umma hit that terror and they
they do they got rid of them I'm not sure the custodians would uh sorry the gray knights would
do so hot if they were facing an orc wall or the drukhari were there sure they would hold out
pretty well but again there's only a thousand of them so they would basically struggle in the end
and again the custodians oh and he said the thousand actually I remember correctly their
numbers your honors are they are the 10 000 host so they were the 10 000 they're not anymore
oh they go well they were the 10 000 host so he's the east custodian again is worth more than 10
normal space marines in combat and I will say it's actually a negative technically for the gray
knights because they are amenable sorry incredibly powerful psychers but the fact is that the emperor
never wished for them to be created because eventually he wants to move humanity away from
reliance on the warp the gray knights themselves as disciplined as they are even if they put layers
of protection underneath them they are somewhat tied to that little you know awful place the warp
the reflection where demons come from and I also speak of how just amazing one custodian just is
the fact that custodians can stand still at full alert for centuries at a time I'm sure we all know
that short story where the literally stand at attention and not lose focus and be immaculate
you know ready to act on any instant and the emperor as much as the gray knights themselves
are somewhat um you know they're basically just they are demon hunters that's all they are
the custodians when the emperor created them they were designed to be more than just warriors as
well they're meant to be philosophers artists and only so much more because the custodians were
meant to live beyond the great crusade they were meant to exist when humanity lives in the web way
and even valdo talks about how the emperor would say to them they would one day just live in a time
of peace the gray knights are simply like all the starties a blunt tool that should never have
lived into that age of peace they were all meant to be purged and our last one I'll quickly talk
about is also the fact is gray knights can obviously get injured turned into essentially
dreadnaughts and all that stuff but the custodians have the eyes of the emperor so even if you lose
a millisecond of a millisecond of their strength they still become the best spies essentially
within the imperium and they do get to go out and do all kinds of crazy little shenanigans in the
place and they also have the blood games so the blood games they get to do tests and they test
and they'll be the best three guardians in the world in the universe sorry I give it there
oh my god there's not enough time I want to say more oh man I'm afraid that's all you had
it is still a good uh still a good round though Andy are you ready for your rebuttal yeah let's
go all right your time begins now okay I've had enough of this slander against my boys so
you keep saying oh for example they're just demons there's the justice you still haven't
addressed my point of the fact that the gray knights have basically fended off every chaos invasion of
note for the last 10 000 years they've beaten two demon primarchs personally in battle and also been
fending off Magnus the red for a few centuries where have the where have been the custodians
what have they been up to apart from changing their their cloaks from red to black to go oh I'm going
to like listen to my chemical romance and and cry you know gold gold member looking ass you know we
want to talk about armaments let's talk about nemesis weapons right nemesis force weapons the
gray knights get more powerful with these weapons these weapons were crafted originally by the
emperor himself and they can only be used by psychers not only that the more powerful a psycho
you are the more powerful the weapon they literally get stronger the longer they use these weapons
caldor drago and the and the ilk like him and arvonstone can literally kill a demon prince with
one swipe of their sword or halberd or hammer whatever it is and again the more gray knights
the longer they've served the more en masse the more powerful not just oh they're good with swinging
a sword around or a halberd or a spear they've got that psychic power custodians don't stand a
chance if they can't even get near them could you imagine a hundred custodians trying to clear a
field and then all of a sudden a hundred gray knights just go no lightning or telekinesis or
mind control or anything they even have subdermal runes and hexagram hexagramic and pentagramic
symbols to protect them from demon attacks so they are incorruptible like the custodians but they
also you know want to talk about drip they've got the the they have they have held you talking about
oh the the custodians were in the webway for seven years caldor drago lives in hell he's literally
lived there for centuries killing demons and they even have a heraldry marking which is like a
demon skull which signifies when a gray knight has gone into the warp fought for a few years and
walked out and gone yeah i'm back to back to the chapter can i have my little my little badge to
show how cool i am in custodians i've been fighting demons for seven years i'm supposed to be the
strongest thing in the world wow wow wow all i hear is excuses um not only that the the gray
knights are also at the forefront again i can't go over this point of the custodians don't do
anything they just go we're really cool we're banana boys we sit back and we're so strong
what has that amounted to in the last 10 000 years it's only recently with repute kill them
they've got off their arses and stopped just standing around doing nothing i'm not denying
the fact that they are strong warriors but they're incredibly inefficient and how and i know they are
replenishing their numbers with new custodians gradually but you know how long it takes to make
a custodian without the emperor a long ass time and they don't have the resources the gray knights
to have to get a million souls whittle them down to one person at a time and go that's one gray
knight custodians takes years to make a single custodian five gray knights you can make a few a
year and they're still way cooler more efficient and more powerful he's done all right soon we're
getting a little bit of an early start on the vitriol round towards the end there
we could do with more time not gonna lie just leave us in the corner and we could just keep going
the future we can add an actual you know 30 seconds if the arguments really getting heated
i have no qualms with it but the personal time start coming out indeed before we move on though
elia you any questions i've got a a couple one for each of the gentlemen myself if you
think i think i want to rephrase my last question because i think i just said it wrong
who's doing more for the imperium like right now and is only the first order obviously the gray
knights i mean they're literally all across the galaxy with different several hundred to a thousand
to start ease not crusades but basically big big fleets with grand masters they have the grand
masters going all across the galaxy led by their supreme grand master taking care of you know
mortarians over there invading with nurgle oh and grons over there invading with the world eaters
oh we've got to deal with this infestation of cultists oh we've got to do this we've got to
do that and the gray knights aren't just fighting demons they're fighting cultists they're fighting
chaos space marines they're fighting anything that might be a threat to the imperium if it tends to
get in the way and let's be honest again the custodians even if they've been doing stuff
recently it's not been for that long and considering they had a head start they've been around since
unification and you're like oh they did all these things during unification doesn't matter gray
knights weren't around then they're here now and what are they doing not all that much well uh i
say the custodians are doing their job essentially which is protecting the most important thing
within the imperium the god he's a corpse emperor they've already oh so we're just gonna leave him
outside and let no one near it he failed if you're saying there's another step point they are doing
they are essentially doing what they are meant to do they are meant to guard they must protect the
guy who's already been well you can send out you can send out the gray knights if all you want but
then if there's no emperor to return to there's basically no imperium so essentially the i don't
know i'm just you know what i mean the gray knight at the time maybe they would have done a better
job that's all i'm saying well i will talk about that at some point i do have something safe for
but um no and also to be fair the custodians are handing out the gene seeds and also delivering
the primaris marines across the entire postman or doesn't matter they're delivering them they're
delivering the new see this is what they're delivering as stardies which gray knights are
to essentially they're bringing as much of the gray knights are again like sort of a small
scalpel and delivering uh heated demonic badass kickery into certain places the custodians are
helping to essentially secure the imperium en masse rather than just doing sort of very niche
targeted areas and they do specialize in their job they do they do a good job but
it's not impossible to defeat demons without gray knights whereas it would basically protect
the emperor without custodians essentially the imperium you can defeat a demon if you're a
custodian but he's going to come back at least with a gray knight you can just you can defeat
him you can banish him you can contain him or you can even just rend him from existence so there's
more than just demons out there though way more than demons because you can't deal with them and
the and the gray knight can deal with them so we need them in a minute they kill loads of stuff
yeah but they just there's not enough they need more they need to be better there's not enough
gray knights when you're talking about the custodians the smallest faction we need them
in a hate now by the way because we're so ready all right all right we i'll just i'll uh i'll ask
a question okay since uh everyone seems to be accusing each other of uh failing a bit i think
i'll i'll run with that as the themes for my question for each of you uh how how do you how
do you justify them essentially sitting back for 10 000 years after the horse heresy and just
watching things happen i wouldn't be so cocky andy i've got a question for you too
well if you considered doing following their orders failure i'm not sure they were meant to
essentially leave the emperor's side so despite the fact the emperor wanted them to be the guardians
of mankind's ascension and they chose to remain in the palace actually they didn't choose to remain
they are ordered by essentially the well in law they are ordered by the high lords of terror
essentially and what will be the last orders of the emperor to they they are doing they are the
custodians they they guard so they are the best guardians and they do their guarding basically
the best that they can if they were in the place of other you know parts of the imperium and doing
their job they would do it obviously to a degree way better than anyone else could but their role
that the way they fit into that great mosaic and that great piece of the imperium is to be the
greatest guardians of the most precious and most important thing in the imperium at the moment
the emperor and that's the job they're doing way better than what the grey knights or any other
faction within the imperium can do and you say this even in the face of one of the custodians
themselves admitting that they should have gone out and done something especially considering they
can ignore the high lords beholden only to the emperors they are all allowed they're allowed
each one's allowed to have his own opinion and want to go out there and fight but yet you know
what i mean each person has to do their job in essentially if everyone if all the national guard
in your country said i want to go out there and fight sure but then there's no they need to guard
you know i mean they need to do the role that they're assigned to so they fit into the greater
piece and even if one custodian is like yeah we should have gone out there sure we you can want
to come out there and fight but you need to guard the most important thing which is the anathema to
the chaos god the emperor that's that's uh that is a fair response perhaps a little wrong he's
straight up wrong underestimating how much the average american citizen needs guarding
i don't know i'm just fair enough if the president was literally a skeletal figure on a throne i'd
say maybe you should have done that a bit earlier that's all i'm saying god the hate for the empire
from there is insane and he loves the imperium as well so this is i know i love i love the emperor
but they didn't defend him did they oh oh i guess no one everyone failed every single person
technically failed them every that's great nights because they weren't founded yet haha well they
were founded before they were found i've got a question for andy too uh you do and you do speak
of them being you said about they're just better than regular restarties and you know and of course
the custodians as it is in this debate uh as much as i would like to ignore this lore it happened if
i can't ignore the end times i can't ignore this how do how do you explain the space wolves just
beating the shit out of them up to and including having one of their grand or grand masters just
like bifurcated that is a certified logan grimnir moment to be fair the logan grim nir incident
he basically was a surprise attack he basically went strike and the great the grand master went
huh and then he was already like gone so it wasn't like he had a scrap with him wow but also the
it is worth mentioning that the space wars are designed to be like astartes killers um i'm sure
if they ever had to i mean that's why they were dispatched to all the different legions that were
loyal during the horus heresy and if they had means or reason to fight the custodians i think
they do a pretty good job with them too but let's not forget that again two unarmed world eaters
killed a custodians in the prison cell of camber marwu a bunch of word bearers killed three
astoties including the so-called amazing guy aquil on the tribune they killed a tribune like a
senior officer with lorgar and his men they they they've all like the custodian and and the
harlequin should we bring up the harlequins there's a big there's a big buck to those two
purposely left out by the way big shout out to my man kegerick the disease yeah the disease
custodian and also the uh chaos possessed um word bearer so you left out a few details on those two
incidents yes well oh chaos possessed you know what would have been a good counter a gray knight
hmm so why weren't they there because they weren't founded yet like because they weren't they didn't
they never wanted to be founded the emperor that's like why wasn't julius caesar saved by
um cal d'ordrega he wasn't around yet he wasn't born that's the best timeline don't joke about that
yeah well uh fair enough although since i how's question was a bit broader in scope i'll
bro i basically asked how what happened why you know do anything for 10 000 whole years i do love
how like in the last section he just said you know what though custodies they're really good
at standing still like yeah they are yeah good cool so we'll have to stand to uh to add a bit
onto my question how do you just generally explain the gray knights uh you know i'm just going to say
i'm just going to say the f word failing uh to stop quite a bit of uh chaotic nonsense uh they uh
obviously there's a there's a you know a bit of a great rift in the galaxy right now as it were
between the imperium uh there's of course thousands of years of black crusades cultists and whatnot
and uh you know there's uh there's been times to gray knights i feel perhaps could have done a bit
more such as you know i can literally i can ask that for him by just saying it's the writers against
me and andy right now essentially they are sabotaging us i would say is is when you consider
the gray knights have i believe it's six grand masters so there's six basically armies in their
deployment that means they can only be six places in the galaxy at any one time i and the state
the custodians it would be more so if you split up all of them into like a couple of men squads
you'd have the same problem at least with the gray knights they actually are still doing at least
they at least they are spread thin but they're doing something rather than being spread thin
but keeping everyone in the imperial palace and not doing anything apart from being postal delivery
guys going your new amazon prime order of primaris space marines is here i'm back to the palace to
have a mochaccino like no they've they've been doing their bit and again they've been defeating
demon primarks and they've been in literal hell stemming the tide of demons and they've been
continually like keep killing any frets that chaos hurls at the galaxy and doing their best and doing
their damnedest and working with the inquisition and working with other start east chapters like
the dark angels or even the space wolves in that particular incident and they're doing the best
they can with the resources they have but at least they're doing something unlike these non-metallic
metal looking ass bitches who just stand around doing nothing all day they're doing the best they
can that's a good catch phrase they're doing their best doing the best they can indeed all right
that's that's fair enough i may have some additional questions after the virtual round but for now i
have nothing else to add elai anything on your end no i think i'm all good all right uh in that case
hell are you ready to are you ready to get angry i am this is oh i got i have some things to get
off my chest all right in that case your timer begins now uh so i'm just gonna straight up say
i've been saving this for ages uh titan is like hogwarts or wankers um yeah straight up
discount harry potter looking at uh they put the oxy in moron and i want to talk about again as
we mentioned earlier the monks of shame the grey knights were like bitches they took orders from the
inquisition i said they work with the inquisition that's not a boast the inquisition is a mess and
they attacked civilians they put they fought the space wars logan grimnaar literally killed a he
killed he just straight up clapped a grey knight like supposedly this great warrior he's a psycho
didn't see it coming apparently got clucked crouched in one uh they banished angron once
and then in the recent angron book they tried again and they failed to banish angron so even
though they basically you throw him a very specific problem they have failed multiple times to actually
do that thing and also they emerged after the heresy but were forged slightly before during
the heresy arrived after when they were most needed and basically they are knights so they are
brittonia oh my god damn i know i might have completely like it just ruined it now
well that was uh certainly some anger there i could feel it i could feel it hogwarts this
is my favorite part that that was that was funny uh andy are you ready on your end for your minute
rage ten points to griffindor let's go all right your time begins now okay let's not get distracted
let's just boil this down to a few things like first of all the custodies have never they have
never slain a primarch let alone a demon primarch they have failed in the one job the one job they
were specifically crafted to do protect the emperor i don't care anything that you say oh the gray
knights failed at the month of shame they did it and they still haven't failed in stemming the tide
of chaos and doing incredible damage to the forces of the ruinous powers custodies had one job and
now look what the emperor's like he's literally a skelly boy on a golden throne and then when they
went oh turns out maybe we've been resting on our laurels a bit too long they moped around
for millennia do you know how long a millennia is to be moping around in a golden palace and
they're all flair no substance i don't care how cool they look how gaudy they look how supposedly
great they are they're considering all the power they supposedly have they don't seem to do much
with it what's the point at least the gray knights are going out there they're doing their job they're
doing it well and they're doing it better than ever could they are doing their best all right
who might need might need uh might need to expand the minute of rage to a minute 30 of rage
we actually we've been preparing for this we were like looking at i tell this faction is getting
more angry as we went like researching oh man oh for god there's a few good points on both sides
but i'm gonna lie like we both have glaring issues with each faction is like oh god it's just like i
mean like you shut you know try to dust pan it into a corner like just forget that i did think it was
a bit unfair when you were like oh where were those like they had to get started they were founded
literally at the end of the heresy well my whole they didn't have a head start well my whole
confusion is like they emerged like essentially after it and said like oh we yeah we've had
advanced time in 100 years has passed for us about it was like i've got 10 dudes they need to make a
chapter so you put them in a pocket dimension in the warp and then he was like right spend like
300 years in that pocket like training these at like here's a million guys like whittle them down
to a couple of thousand and like read all these books and do all this stuff and learn how to be
grey knights and then they came out like what's happening bitches and then they went out and did
their job but you know couldn't have popped out just a little bit undercooked early could have
helped but the real answer is like 300 years they had loads of time to prepare and they did but
the time didn't pass it was like like a couple of years i think it was like a few months and then
yeah but janice isn't tomei gone why even live i hate you
you why either way you are
well uh before we before we conclude uh elia do you have any questions i have one more i'd like
to give to each of them uh i don't know let's see what's the what's the coolest thing that a single
custodies and a single grey knight has ever done i mean caldo drago has already mentioned but oh
and also what are the odds that caldo drago's a silver knight none uh color drink is a pretty
good answer though for a great night side if andy picks that one do you want to go for us andy
uh well what was the well like the coolest thing they've done i mean i've already mentioned how he
he basically just uh vandalized mortarion's heart um i think i'll also give a special shout out to
garren crowe who's who's a cool boy he has the blade of anta which is like an ancient demonic
blade which is apparently so powerful it can corrupt any living being and he has to hold it
all the time and he wields it in combat and he has to every single day stave off its corrupting
influence going like come on be a bit demonic he's like no come on have a little have a little bit
of case like no i don't want to enjoy yesterday every day like custodians they haven't got that
burden to shoulder they're just like look at my cool golden armor the vaults of terror before i
had my daily cry in front of the emperor i was looking at my my several names i've forgotten my
658th name i thought was it was it was it philip or was it philodonius i can't remember could you
consult the records but it's like no they're just wasting time it's a good answer to be fair i
didn't get to talk about how they guard stuff in the vaults below terror but that's like so
mysterious i would say um for elas question uh technically what constantin valdo's doing right
now so he's just like effed off and going and built like essentially a new faction of um
astarte custodian angels in a pocket realm and he essentially is gonna find the emperor's true name
castartes so that's we need more space marine subfactions we don't have enough we need more
i mean never enough we need more essentially space marines but like they're proper like he's
essentially making actual angels to fight demons so that's i mean and creating his entire force in a
pocket for a pocket realm is the king in yellow which uh is pretty that's a lot homework already
he's older than the great knight but no he's just like looked at what they did at time and
was like i'm having that like oh that's our thing you've been alone i guess you'll be obsolete and
um oh damn so they get primaris reinforcements oh so now we like the primaris huh they're not
just post fucking postmen we're okay with the postman now okay now we'll make our own to be
better there's there is in canon i'm pretty sure there's at least one time where gray knight has
actually been corrupted by chaos right um is this you're gonna reference the silver the knight in
silver or the silver no no not him i think there was a different time uh this is obscure this might
be obscure law so i don't uh between between four lore masters we don't know maybe we're not
110 sure maybe it's so maybe it's too old to say for sure then i mean there's wasn't there one
gray knight who's meant to be a perpetual but then it's like never talked about and supposedly it's
not really a thing anymore i don't know about that yeah we're your lore all right never mind that
uh i do have a i do have a question for each of you then and in the spirit of the vitriol round
i'm just punching below the belt on both of these questions uh i'll do i'll they're completely
unrelated to one another so there's no fear of having to uh counteract what the other says so
just think just uh it'll just be purely your own argument your own standing uh andy i'll go with
you first how do you how do you explain the uh gray knights currently having a 40 win rate on
warhammer tabletop uh placing them in the bottom five whereas the custodians have a fixed 56
win rate putting them in the top four how uh how do you how do you explain this um i know the psychic
phase has been removed that might be a reason but to be honest it might be a skill issue for the
players using them i don't know maybe they just can't they can't handle the power of the gray
knights properly i don't know and also custodians are a bit like oh look at me i've got five units
and you know it'll only cost me a few less quid so it's going to be the cheapest army it's going to
be op i'll just use that like oh okay just just a bit of a uh just to get my gaudy little banana
boys and so at least i don't play tabletop so i can't really like answer this very well but i'd
assume it's just like skill issues for the people using them i guess andy's uh andy's response was
to blame everyone but the gray knights for this certainly certainly i wouldn't be too confident
though hal because uh yours is also rather pointed uh how do you defend the custodians
having perhaps the most annoying section of the warhammer fan base subset where if they do not
every single and chaos demon and lord all at once alongside every single organ existence in one
battle uh they bitch and moan that custodians are not getting their fair treatment how do you how do
you respond to these allegations that i'm putting forth um we had the right to moan because as we
all know if a custodian doesn't beat a chaos god 1v1 it's bullshit and the author is our favoritism
well uh i'll just say straight up um uh coming as a british company we just like to complain about
literally anything and so any anytime people are just complaining about something i'm enjoying it
i'm bathing in that uh annoyance and again it it's funny straight up it's just fun i don't need to
defend it it's just funny uh and therefore you really just i thought i'm enjoying i know how to
defend it i can i think i won't defend it's literally just saying oh don't worry they're
not complaining you said skillish you bro you didn't defend you just said get better bro mine
is literally it's funny and therefore that's it it was really cool funny basically funny wins
uh at least they're not you know britainian 40k so it's all good all right so it's fair
it sounds so bad to me it does to me i just oh what's up oh i was i've been scrolling through
the internet and uh it doesn't look like any grenade has been corrupted it's it's it was like
kind of sketchy in one book written by ben courtier but it wasn't it was too vague all these
descriptions are too vague to be sure but it doesn't sound like anything doesn't sound like
anything no i have vague memory i thought one of them was like possessed by a demon once or
something like that but they shouldn't have a great night like corrupted by chaos surely that's like
a well it's a bit too much in in the defense of the custodians players uh when you bring up the
silver knight there are literally like dozens of great nice fans who think that the great night
should have been able to kill slanesh and that it's all it's bs said he got corrupted bro that is
also oh my gosh uh that is also pretty bad uh but i didn't ask andy that uh because that is one
example versus every single example the custodians don't simply just win uh big fan of the argument
they should never lose because of the custodians because yes stating what they are is an argument
i defend the custodians not the people who play custodians uh and uh all right i just did i just
wanted to get that quick little parting shot for both tabletop and meta it's a good dig it's a good
day uh do remember that uh if you complain in the comment section you are boosting engagement
or negative comments you leave the more the video does well in the algorithm at this point if you're
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appreciate uh the love and support and also the vitriol uh within reason on youtube boys careful
don't know to put any uh spicy words indeed and uh elai have you have you come to a conclusion
sure i don't have to be either of you to be honest this one is like even before we went in i was like
have you come to a decision call it i believe i have i think i know what yours is and i think i
know what mine is all right uh what do you go first all right uh pretty much even and both
factions have their downfalls and have both failed at a lot of stuff uh but then how came
in with the petonian comment and man i sure do love petonia oh my god
uh but i mean like memes aside it is a hard decision i think the great nights
in the 41st millennium the great nights have done more and are better maybe not in the years before
that i think the stories would have the win but the great nights do have the last 10 000 years
to you know what i mean they have the last while so i've claimed victory whereas the custodians were
definitely better but i don't think they are anymore so i guess i'll give it to andy hey i
love you thank you we do even though how gave me the uh his favor last time sorry how i have to
praise you no it's all about it's all about the arguments colin uh i think uh i'm going to be doing
the reverse of eli uh i'm going to be saying i knew it yeah the custodians uh i'm gonna win this
argument although i should say uh this was a close one on each side uh i did like a lot of the andy
said although i did also try and gauge it by the arguments themselves and uh in terms of fulfilling
their purpose i feel the custodians have done a slightly slightly better job uh in terms of
you know guarding around the imperial palace for a while should they have been doing other stuff i
absolutely believe they should have been but there's a matter of you know saying you should
have done this and as you brought a pal you've been ordered to do this uh and
yeah uh i'm going to give it to the uh the golden boys i am also perhaps a little bit biased based
on their tabletop models being cool i'm biased too i love the great knights the brittonia comment
and comment uh help and sabotage me pushed him over the edge i didn't do anything to sway and
that was just all it was if anything i like the hogwarts comment more titan is like hogwarts for
wankers and that one made me laugh i've also read karenai's novels and i have not read custodians
novels so that really they really helped andy not gonna lie watches of the phronies really good oh
yeah really good i did not read either i did also have the i knew it was unfair to go for it but
obviously there was like the sisters of silence i think they're technically within the bracket of
like yeah they're not i was gonna have same products i know i didn't really i'm not sure
if it was fair because again like would you say they are they are sisters of silence they're not
custodians but again like subcircuit was like as soon as anything great night yeah just bring
a sister with me but i didn't think it was fair to use the argument because again they're not
technically custodians so uh but that would have been a slam dunk if i could then if you do that
i'd just be like right let's get the assassin or i'm involved to help the great knights because
they're part of the incest and then it will just spiral out yeah actually and then i just you know
at one point then to go then just get the emperor chuck the corpse and then just get the emperor to
smack them both and then they go stop fighting them all better things to do chuck his bones
skeletal hand i'm not saying it spirals up there pandorax is a cool space marine oh yes although
it makes me sad about what happened to epi epimetheus where he's just like two blanks
surgically stitched to him and he's like suspended and he's got his eyes and tongue cut out you're
like poor guy yeah he was a good guy it was tough yeah what it has stricken it has a monkey and it
has a cool great knight yep but the real winner was the uh the lore writers though who both gave
us incredibly difficult crutches there we were like damn it gw why couldn't they just move about
consistent here comes logan with the steel chair i was like oh no oh man uh let's say though thank
you so much for watching and listening um again let us know who you thought won also maybe comment
any arguments we might have missed or things we could have you know used as slam dunk or even
maybe some stuff we we definitely there was a lot like to cover and we were trying to obviously fit
it into essentially 30 minutes of actual well maybe 10 minutes of uh word so we were troubled
there but um yeah just let us know anything we missed or anything you know we thought maybe we
made a good point also maybe good jokes titan is like hogwarts or wankers let us know if you have
anything similar to that because i'm not gonna lie that one um made me chuckle uh even though i
wrote that so uh thank you again so much listen custodian response it was so good because i did
it oh it is typical i don't even play custodians to be fair i actually thought playing quite nice
recently was like the models are a little bit
the legs look like they look like knights yeah they're a little outdated but they're not bad
if primaris didn't exist they'd be like cool space marines ever they would if yeah if it
worked for the primaris they would still be the cream of the space marine crop in terms of also
primaris body with a gray knight head and then to be perfect you could do that though i'm surprised
you didn't talk about the sister of battle blood thing oh i i was gonna bring that up but i
love games i didn't have enough time to get to the blood games but oh not that no no this is about
nights drinking sisters of battle blood i'm pretty sure oh no they just they put it on their armor
it's recording apparently that yeah apparently that's not canon i did not know that someone
they wrote that in something then jill went what the hell is that bro and it's not like
on you yeah they were at convo frame that in frame that in i wanted to use that but then i
remember like a it's non-canon and b i figured andy might have a harder time justifying something for
the tabletop and i was going for low blows on both of those questions no they were very good uh
again thank you so much for listening and watching we hope you all enjoyed the arguments and uh again
or even let us know if you want to see any other things verse against each other we do like to argue
clearly and say we'll be happy to do some more uh with that being said thank you so much for
listening and we'll catch you on the next one peace
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