1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,080 The custodies have never, they have never slain a Primarch, let alone a demon Primarch. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:12,720 They have failed in the one job, the one job they were specifically crafted to do, protect the Emperor. 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:17,360 So even though they basically, you throw them at a very specific problem, they have failed multiple 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:23,760 times to actually do that thing. And also, they emerged after the heresy, but were forged slightly 5 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:27,840 during the heresy, but then arrived after when they were most needed. And basically they are knights, 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,560 so they are Bretonnia. 7 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:56,640 Hello everyone and welcome to Lore Crimes Versus, where today we have a little, a special matchup 8 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:04,240 between the Emperor's Chosen and the Emperor's other Chosen. We have some energy in the field 9 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:12,240 already, that's what we like to see here. We have, since Hal's seems to be very ready, he'll be up 10 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:20,000 first with the custodians, the Emperor's own Chosen bodyguard, whereas Andy will be taking it on with 11 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,880 the Grey Knights. Perhaps not his bodyguard, but his ultimate fallback plan. When all is lost to 12 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:33,840 chaos, the Grey Knights go in. So we'll see which of these two super soldiers reign supreme as it 13 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,640 were. Hal, how are you feeling? You're going to be up first, so how are you feeling first? 14 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:44,800 There was just so much to cover, oh my god. I don't think I've even got everything, but you know what 15 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,800 I mean, I mean I think it's a, I feel confident, I think I've got this, it's in the bag. Right, 16 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,680 all right, he's uh, he's putting his money where his mouth is, that's good to hear. Andy, how are 17 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,000 you feeling? How are the Grey Knights got you feeling? I think I'm gonna do quite well, I've 18 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,320 just done a video on them, so I'm fairly primed up, and at least they haven't already failed in 19 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:11,440 their duty to the Emperor, so, good start. Heresy. Heresy. Before we've even started, he's got some 20 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:19,200 vitriol going, that is what we like to hear. Well, with introductions out of the way, I'm uh, I think 21 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,560 we're about ready. Hal, are you ready to begin the opening argument? I am ready. All right, let me get 22 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:33,600 the timer ready, and your time starts now. Your Honours, I will speak of the Adeptus Custodes, 23 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:39,840 the guardians of the Imperial Palace, and the Emperor of Mankind himself. Yes, the Grey Knights 24 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:45,440 couldn't even get that duty. He is, or sorry, they are perhaps the greatest creation of humanity 25 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:54,080 itself. To create a custodian, it is no crude gene seed implementation, no rampant injection of 26 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:01,760 hormones and surgeries, the custodians are hard, the custodians are hand-crafted humans. Their 27 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:07,840 forging is said to be a mix of technology, mystical arts, that's only known to the Emperor and 28 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:14,800 themselves. Each one of them is said to be unique in some way, as if their own forging process 29 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,440 requires something special, something beyond what Grey Knights could produce, yeah, already in there. 30 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:25,760 And the resources to produce them is enormous, but each man is essentially a one-man army, 31 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,480 so you're getting a lot of bang for your buck. They are also, I mean, I'm just gonna get straight 32 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:36,080 in there on the aesthetics, they are perfectly proportioned, enormous warriors. They're not like 33 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:41,520 the kind of broided mess that the Astartes are, these are guys that, you know, they're essentially 34 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:48,800 nine foot tall, inabs, looking gorge. And their story begins in the early days of the unification, 35 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,920 long before the Grey Knights, it were even, you know, the backup plan, the backup plan were needed. 36 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,560 The custodians numbered in their dozens in these early days and they fought with everything they 37 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:03,280 could. They didn't even have proper arms and equipment, they were essentially were the weapon, 38 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:09,200 and they battled against the many warlords of terror. They were often outnumbered and outgunned 39 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:16,320 and facing things that were corrupted by the war, but still they won. I'd like to even point out that 40 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:22,480 Val'Dar even said to Dorne during the heresy that they have fought battles just as impossible, 41 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:28,320 as the equivalent was of the Siege of Terror, so they had fought things that were lost to time, 42 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:34,000 because they would never brag about these things like, you know, Astartes would. Fighting alongside 43 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:41,040 the early Imperium and the Emperor personally, they helped purge the Thunder Warriors, which may 44 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:46,480 remind you were stronger and more brutal than Astartes, and the custodians just cut them down 45 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,320 simply. And they did have some help with the little, like, early Astartes, but again that was 46 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,400 because they had to swarm them like little ants, whereas the custodians just can take them on, 47 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,400 no problems whatsoever. In fact, a custodian's strength and speed is about equivalent to nearly 48 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:10,320 ten Space Marines. Give or take there's some arguments about that, but even Val'Dar himself, 49 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:17,040 Constantin Val'Dar, he managed to beat Rogal Dorne, a Primarch, in their first ever duel, so 50 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,880 I don't think a Grey Knight could ever come close to actually beating a normal, you know, 51 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:30,160 Emperor on the ground Primarch, even in their best days. With the birth of the Imperium, 52 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,560 the Imperium is finally ready and is out there, the custodians were wreathed in Oromite drip, 53 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:44,240 ornate Oromite drip, let me add. It is obviously much better than Ceramite. The Emperor personally 54 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:50,240 has the same equipment, made out of the same material, so you know it's good. They also are 55 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:56,320 equipped with genetically coded Guardian Spears. They act as range and close combat weapons, so at 56 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,800 basically any distance they are essentially the perfect warrior. Well, he's obviously a Grey Knight, 57 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:08,160 you know, you know what I mean? He's specialised, but he's not got the cool drip of my guys. 58 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,360 And as the Great Crusade launched, the custodians fought at the Emperor's side and they cut down 59 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,800 Xenos and non-compliant human colonnades, but their deeds are only known to them because unlike 60 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,280 the Astartes, as I mentioned before, there's no need for a victim parade or, you know, 61 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:27,280 they have little purity seals, they need to actually have little accolades and they remember 62 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:32,320 things. No, they don't need all that stuff. And when the heresy finally broke out and the 63 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,680 Webway seals were broken, it was the custodians that fought the combined might of the Chaos Gods 64 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:43,520 in the Webway, defending Eldar ground. Yes, I'm being cheap there. They fought in the ruins of 65 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:49,360 the Eldar city for seven years, literally non-stop fighting, and they're pushing, they pushed them, 66 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,480 the superhuman warriors, to the point of where they were tiring, their muscles were literally 67 00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:00,800 tearing and they still kept fighting and they were holding on to the Emperor's dream. They also have 68 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,520 the most incredible scene in Warhammer ever, where the custodians ram their guardian spears into the 69 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:11,280 ground in the Webway and serpents reload them, they draw out their dual swords and a comet of light 70 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:16,720 and fire blazes behind them. The custodians, exhausted, battered and beaten, roared in a 71 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,480 scream so loud it burst eardrums and they charged in a phalanx of human perfection and rammed into 72 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:29,040 hell itself. The custodians also have awesome things like Val'dor, Ra, Emileon, Aemon and 73 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:36,640 Trojan Wars. Oh my god, I'm trying to cut it all out. Really, really going for all he could at the end there. 74 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:45,680 God, had more, had more. Well there's uh, there's Hal's five minutes. Uh, Andy, are you ready for your five minutes? 75 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:53,520 Oh I am more than ready sir. All right in that case your time begins now. Okay well that was a very 76 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:59,520 insightful intro for the banana boys. Mr Bane of the post office with your ridiculously long names, 77 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,400 where's my post going to this address bullshit. Let's talk about the Grey Knights. So the Grey 78 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:11,920 Knights were built from the combined intelligence and might of both the emperor and the sigillite. 79 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,800 These were the guys who were collecting the rubble from the heresy when the custodians failed to 80 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,960 protect the emperor because we all know the custodians are quite cool and quite gaudy but 81 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:26,480 you know they ain't no Grey Knights. The Grey Knights are an army of Astartes which are all 82 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:32,080 psykers, all the most powerful of the Astartes and even have their own super duper librarians 83 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:36,880 of which the custodians can't even use psychic powers. So let's leave that life for now. They 84 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,720 are armed with the greatest armaments of the imperium and blessed with the grace of the emperor 85 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:47,040 himself. They are the 666th legion. They are known as the hammer of the master of mankind. They are 86 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,760 expert demon hunters tasked with the defense of the innocence of humanity. Unlike the custodians 87 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:56,720 who haven't been able to defend anything in the last 10 000 years hold up in the imperial palace. 88 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,720 Meanwhile the Grey Knights they delve into the most treacherous corners of the galaxy and lay 89 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,800 waste to terrible foes all across the void for thousands of years. Where are these custodians 90 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,680 I've heard all this cool oh they're golden they're shining sitting on their arses all day polishing 91 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:15,680 their armor. Grey Knights don't have time for that because they have to endure the toughest trials 92 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:20,400 just to become a Grey Knight. Fewer custodians get picked one day when you're seven years old and you 93 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,880 get made into a super soldier. They don't even have gene seed. Grey Knights have to prove their 94 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,520 worth before they're honored to become one in a million who survived the trials to become a Grey 95 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:35,200 Knight. Should they band together in unison they can beat any foe. Unlike a custodian who only is 96 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:40,320 able to fight alone when they work in pairs or groups they're uncoordinated they're flashy they're 97 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,560 very proficient they're champions but they don't work well as as a group. Grey Knights are a force 98 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:50,880 multiplier. The more Grey Knights the more devastation the more psychic power the more 99 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,960 bolters and blades and anything you need they are far superior as an army. 100 00:09:54,960 --> 00:10:00,720 They're just even their numbers you've got what a thousand a thousand custodians. 101 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:06,720 Codex Astartes cringe. Grey Knights not even constrained by numbers they go we have as many 102 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:12,160 as we need and that's a lot. We don't even have to you know the fact that they are the chamber 103 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,720 militant of the Ordo Malleus of the Inquisition means they also have special ties to the Inquisition. 104 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,120 They work with so many branches of clandestine orders that not only are they well armed they 105 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:26,160 have the best information the best ships they have everything they need. Custodians they're 106 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,000 riding on the coattails of the of the unification wars and how's that oh they were here they were 107 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,120 here they were here. Well I can't really defend about stuff when they weren't there when they 108 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,920 weren't even founded but fun fact Grey Knights were trained in a pocket dimension made by them 109 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,960 by the sigilite himself to combat the greatest of demon threats. They even have special equipment 110 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,800 like they have Necron little those little cube things to trap demons and store them in their 111 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,760 citadel of titan for all eternity. What's a custodian going to do going to try and kill a 112 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,720 demon watch it regenerate a hundred times and get tired and get your head cut off. Big whoops. 113 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,280 Grey Knights they get the job done they get it done properly they don't just stave off but they 114 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,920 capture and seal away. I just think that's really cool they can also quell terrestrial threats like 115 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:12,560 cultists, xenos and renegade space marines if needed they are specialist demon hunters but let's 116 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:18,320 not let's not let's not forget that they're also just better than regular Astartes and that's 117 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,640 quite a telling thing considering in the Horus Heresy the custodians were killed by the white 118 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:29,360 scars and the word bearers and the world eaters while they were in prison and unarmed I mean 119 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,560 they can't be that good if an unarmed world eater and his mate can kill you. I don't know it's just 120 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:41,840 so much smoke and mirrors but there's also the fact that they are also inheriting the the glories of 121 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,200 their founders the so-called knights errant legends such as the last son of Prospero, Janus, 122 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:54,480 Severian of the lunar wolves and Epimetheus of the dark angels. They are the bulwark, they are 123 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,280 the shield, they are the hammer, they are the sword at his hand and they are the mail clenched around 124 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:05,360 the emperor's fist. Custodians are cool don't get me wrong custodians are really good they are built 125 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,480 to be the finest in the imperium but they ain't no Grey Knights and the Grey Knights en masse could 126 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,440 best any custodian deployment just because they have the advantage of psychic powers, they have 127 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,880 better equipment, they have more ties to cooperative alliances such as the Inquisition and other 128 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,280 Astartes chapters and I think for now we're going to leave it there before I really unleash the 129 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:32,960 vitriol. All right stopped about 25 seconds early he sounds confident but he certainly had plenty to 130 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:42,160 say. Eli have you any questions? Yes yes I have one question I thought that both the arguments 131 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:47,280 both positions were quite good I'm gonna have to read that book with the custodians because 132 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:53,920 that sounds pretty cool not gonna lie. Yes. My question Andy talked about this a little bit 133 00:12:53,920 --> 00:13:01,680 already but I had written this question already so uh who has done more for the imperium and provide 134 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:08,400 examples for your answer? I guess I mean how... Andy go first if you want go ahead. How was kind enough to say oh when 135 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:13,440 when have the Grey Knights ever beat a demon like they have beaten Angron and Demon Primarch 136 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Mortarion they beat Angron during the Wars of Armageddon and uh Caldor Drago even repped the 137 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:25,920 Grey Knights by etching the name of his forebear on the heart of Mortarion you're like oh guess what 138 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:32,560 a custodian once beat Rogal Dawn plain ass Rogal Dawn in a dueling match plain ass Rogal Dawn 139 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:39,440 yeah yeah he's not even involved in getting bullied. He beat a demon Primarch an ascended demon Primarch a demon prince and then 140 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,000 opened his chest cavity and went lol I'm gonna write my mate's name on your heart before I 141 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:48,480 vanish you so when you come back I can do it all over again in Chaos Gate Demon Hunter like 142 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,360 come on no contest they they've they've beaten they've got two demon Primarchs under their belt 143 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:58,400 that we know of and they've also stopped demons from overrunning the galaxy whilst the custodians 144 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,280 were sitting on the toilet in the golden throne or whatever they're doing the literal golden throne 145 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:10,240 a literal golden throne well that's uh that's two badass answers but I believe E.I.'s question is 146 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,840 what are they what's the most sort of incredible thing they have done I would downright say uh 147 00:14:16,560 --> 00:14:21,600 during the Horus Heresy when the webway was invaded and the fact that if the custodies 148 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:28,560 like no one else could hold the webway portal for that long if the custodians had not been there 149 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,720 well the species would have been dead because Chaos would have basically consumed terror and 150 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:37,040 then Horus would have won so that seems a pretty great night's weren't around that time they would 151 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:41,680 have done a better job if they were there you know it's great nights uh they can save a couple of 152 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,600 worlds sure I mean but saving the species is pretty hard to get close to that you know I mean 153 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:53,440 also you they're under the Inquisition so you know the Inquisition just uh sort of a bit of a 154 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:59,360 ball of a mess really as well but I'll save my vitriol for that later good answers from both of 155 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:05,440 you not completely what I expected Andy to say uh but still good answers and I mean Hal you do have 156 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:13,600 to compete with uh the power of Matt Ward that is I do well compete with or uh suffer through 157 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:24,640 area praise ward praise yeah oh god okay the truth is chaos god yeah that's uh that'll be 158 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:31,120 that'll be my answer so saving the species that's a that's a definite big doesn't save the species 159 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:37,040 calm down am I right who doesn't save the species am i right is the everyone saves the human species 160 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,720 if you're an Astartes or a custodian order it's part for the course all right but anyways we can 161 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:49,280 move into the next round it is starting with Andy I don't know how sorry once again right yep I'm 162 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:58,000 ready all in will set his timer I am everyone uh everyone's ready ready your time begins now 163 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:05,680 so the custodians I would describe them as the Swiss army knife and the gray knights as bad as 164 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:11,840 as they are they are more like an elaborate key surely do a very specialized they're very very 165 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:18,400 good at their niche but even the custodians are capable of basically eviscerating demons they did 166 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:24,000 it when Gilman arrived back on terror and corn essentially when umma hit that terror and they 167 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,240 they do they got rid of them I'm not sure the custodians would uh sorry the gray knights would 168 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,920 do so hot if they were facing an orc wall or the drukhari were there sure they would hold out 169 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,960 pretty well but again there's only a thousand of them so they would basically struggle in the end 170 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:44,240 and again the custodians oh and he said the thousand actually I remember correctly their 171 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:50,320 numbers your honors are they are the 10 000 host so they were the 10 000 they're not anymore 172 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:57,040 oh they go well they were the 10 000 host so he's the east custodian again is worth more than 10 173 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:03,040 normal space marines in combat and I will say it's actually a negative technically for the gray 174 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:09,120 knights because they are amenable sorry incredibly powerful psychers but the fact is that the emperor 175 00:17:09,120 --> 00:17:14,400 never wished for them to be created because eventually he wants to move humanity away from 176 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:20,320 reliance on the warp the gray knights themselves as disciplined as they are even if they put layers 177 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:26,240 of protection underneath them they are somewhat tied to that little you know awful place the warp 178 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:34,640 the reflection where demons come from and I also speak of how just amazing one custodian just is 179 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:41,200 the fact that custodians can stand still at full alert for centuries at a time I'm sure we all know 180 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:48,400 that short story where the literally stand at attention and not lose focus and be immaculate 181 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,720 you know ready to act on any instant and the emperor as much as the gray knights themselves 182 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:59,520 are somewhat um you know they're basically just they are demon hunters that's all they are 183 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,520 the custodians when the emperor created them they were designed to be more than just warriors as 184 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,720 well they're meant to be philosophers artists and only so much more because the custodians were 185 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:14,480 meant to live beyond the great crusade they were meant to exist when humanity lives in the web way 186 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:20,080 and even valdo talks about how the emperor would say to them they would one day just live in a time 187 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,840 of peace the gray knights are simply like all the starties a blunt tool that should never have 188 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:31,200 lived into that age of peace they were all meant to be purged and our last one I'll quickly talk 189 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:36,960 about is also the fact is gray knights can obviously get injured turned into essentially 190 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,440 dreadnaughts and all that stuff but the custodians have the eyes of the emperor so even if you lose 191 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:46,400 a millisecond of a millisecond of their strength they still become the best spies essentially 192 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,000 within the imperium and they do get to go out and do all kinds of crazy little shenanigans in the 193 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,640 place and they also have the blood games so the blood games they get to do tests and they test 194 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:02,640 and they'll be the best three guardians in the world in the universe sorry I give it there 195 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:10,560 oh my god there's not enough time I want to say more oh man I'm afraid that's all you had 196 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:16,800 it is still a good uh still a good round though Andy are you ready for your rebuttal yeah let's 197 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:25,040 go all right your time begins now okay I've had enough of this slander against my boys so 198 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:31,200 you keep saying oh for example they're just demons there's the justice you still haven't 199 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:36,640 addressed my point of the fact that the gray knights have basically fended off every chaos invasion of 200 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,840 note for the last 10 000 years they've beaten two demon primarchs personally in battle and also been 201 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:46,320 fending off Magnus the red for a few centuries where have the where have been the custodians 202 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:50,640 what have they been up to apart from changing their their cloaks from red to black to go oh I'm going 203 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:56,160 to like listen to my chemical romance and and cry you know gold gold member looking ass you know we 204 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,240 want to talk about armaments let's talk about nemesis weapons right nemesis force weapons the 205 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,320 gray knights get more powerful with these weapons these weapons were crafted originally by the 206 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,120 emperor himself and they can only be used by psychers not only that the more powerful a psycho 207 00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:13,760 you are the more powerful the weapon they literally get stronger the longer they use these weapons 208 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,720 caldor drago and the and the ilk like him and arvonstone can literally kill a demon prince with 209 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:24,240 one swipe of their sword or halberd or hammer whatever it is and again the more gray knights 210 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:29,440 the longer they've served the more en masse the more powerful not just oh they're good with swinging 211 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:34,720 a sword around or a halberd or a spear they've got that psychic power custodians don't stand a 212 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,560 chance if they can't even get near them could you imagine a hundred custodians trying to clear a 213 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,440 field and then all of a sudden a hundred gray knights just go no lightning or telekinesis or 214 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:49,040 mind control or anything they even have subdermal runes and hexagram hexagramic and pentagramic 215 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,760 symbols to protect them from demon attacks so they are incorruptible like the custodians but they 216 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:58,880 also you know want to talk about drip they've got the the they have they have held you talking about 217 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:05,120 oh the the custodians were in the webway for seven years caldor drago lives in hell he's literally 218 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:09,680 lived there for centuries killing demons and they even have a heraldry marking which is like a 219 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,880 demon skull which signifies when a gray knight has gone into the warp fought for a few years and 220 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:19,360 walked out and gone yeah i'm back to back to the chapter can i have my little my little badge to 221 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:25,120 show how cool i am in custodians i've been fighting demons for seven years i'm supposed to be the 222 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:32,800 strongest thing in the world wow wow wow all i hear is excuses um not only that the the gray 223 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:38,160 knights are also at the forefront again i can't go over this point of the custodians don't do 224 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,280 anything they just go we're really cool we're banana boys we sit back and we're so strong 225 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:48,560 what has that amounted to in the last 10 000 years it's only recently with repute kill them 226 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,520 they've got off their arses and stopped just standing around doing nothing i'm not denying 227 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,000 the fact that they are strong warriors but they're incredibly inefficient and how and i know they are 228 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:02,240 replenishing their numbers with new custodians gradually but you know how long it takes to make 229 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,120 a custodian without the emperor a long ass time and they don't have the resources the gray knights 230 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:11,840 to have to get a million souls whittle them down to one person at a time and go that's one gray 231 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:17,360 knight custodians takes years to make a single custodian five gray knights you can make a few a 232 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:25,440 year and they're still way cooler more efficient and more powerful he's done all right soon we're 233 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,800 getting a little bit of an early start on the vitriol round towards the end there 234 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,520 we could do with more time not gonna lie just leave us in the corner and we could just keep going 235 00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:41,600 the future we can add an actual you know 30 seconds if the arguments really getting heated 236 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:49,920 i have no qualms with it but the personal time start coming out indeed before we move on though 237 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:55,840 elia you any questions i've got a a couple one for each of the gentlemen myself if you 238 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,880 think i think i want to rephrase my last question because i think i just said it wrong 239 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:07,760 who's doing more for the imperium like right now and is only the first order obviously the gray 240 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:14,080 knights i mean they're literally all across the galaxy with different several hundred to a thousand 241 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,600 to start ease not crusades but basically big big fleets with grand masters they have the grand 242 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:24,160 masters going all across the galaxy led by their supreme grand master taking care of you know 243 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:28,720 mortarians over there invading with nurgle oh and grons over there invading with the world eaters 244 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,920 oh we've got to deal with this infestation of cultists oh we've got to do this we've got to 245 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,000 do that and the gray knights aren't just fighting demons they're fighting cultists they're fighting 246 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:40,640 chaos space marines they're fighting anything that might be a threat to the imperium if it tends to 247 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,960 get in the way and let's be honest again the custodians even if they've been doing stuff 248 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:49,840 recently it's not been for that long and considering they had a head start they've been around since 249 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,000 unification and you're like oh they did all these things during unification doesn't matter gray 250 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:00,480 knights weren't around then they're here now and what are they doing not all that much well uh i 251 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:05,440 say the custodians are doing their job essentially which is protecting the most important thing 252 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,560 within the imperium the god he's a corpse emperor they've already oh so we're just gonna leave him 253 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:17,760 outside and let no one near it he failed if you're saying there's another step point they are doing 254 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,000 they are essentially doing what they are meant to do they are meant to guard they must protect the 255 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,280 guy who's already been well you can send out you can send out the gray knights if all you want but 256 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,240 then if there's no emperor to return to there's basically no imperium so essentially the i don't 257 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,840 know i'm just you know what i mean the gray knight at the time maybe they would have done a better 258 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:40,000 job that's all i'm saying well i will talk about that at some point i do have something safe for 259 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:47,280 but um no and also to be fair the custodians are handing out the gene seeds and also delivering 260 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,480 the primaris marines across the entire postman or doesn't matter they're delivering them they're 261 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,800 delivering the new see this is what they're delivering as stardies which gray knights are 262 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,960 to essentially they're bringing as much of the gray knights are again like sort of a small 263 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:07,520 scalpel and delivering uh heated demonic badass kickery into certain places the custodians are 264 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:13,200 helping to essentially secure the imperium en masse rather than just doing sort of very niche 265 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,600 targeted areas and they do specialize in their job they do they do a good job but 266 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,240 it's not impossible to defeat demons without gray knights whereas it would basically protect 267 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,240 the emperor without custodians essentially the imperium you can defeat a demon if you're a 268 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,000 custodian but he's going to come back at least with a gray knight you can just you can defeat 269 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,800 him you can banish him you can contain him or you can even just rend him from existence so there's 270 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,840 more than just demons out there though way more than demons because you can't deal with them and 271 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:50,400 the and the gray knight can deal with them so we need them in a minute they kill loads of stuff 272 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,520 yeah but they just there's not enough they need more they need to be better there's not enough 273 00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,160 gray knights when you're talking about the custodians the smallest faction we need them 274 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:06,880 in a hate now by the way because we're so ready all right all right we i'll just i'll uh i'll ask 275 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:13,360 a question okay since uh everyone seems to be accusing each other of uh failing a bit i think 276 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:19,120 i'll i'll run with that as the themes for my question for each of you uh how how do you how 277 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:24,560 do you justify them essentially sitting back for 10 000 years after the horse heresy and just 278 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,480 watching things happen i wouldn't be so cocky andy i've got a question for you too 279 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,640 well if you considered doing following their orders failure i'm not sure they were meant to 280 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,920 essentially leave the emperor's side so despite the fact the emperor wanted them to be the guardians 281 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,200 of mankind's ascension and they chose to remain in the palace actually they didn't choose to remain 282 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,920 they are ordered by essentially the well in law they are ordered by the high lords of terror 283 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:55,680 essentially and what will be the last orders of the emperor to they they are doing they are the 284 00:26:55,680 --> 00:27:02,720 custodians they they guard so they are the best guardians and they do their guarding basically 285 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,400 the best that they can if they were in the place of other you know parts of the imperium and doing 286 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,760 their job they would do it obviously to a degree way better than anyone else could but their role 287 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:18,720 that the way they fit into that great mosaic and that great piece of the imperium is to be the 288 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,680 greatest guardians of the most precious and most important thing in the imperium at the moment 289 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,160 the emperor and that's the job they're doing way better than what the grey knights or any other 290 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,640 faction within the imperium can do and you say this even in the face of one of the custodians 291 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,800 themselves admitting that they should have gone out and done something especially considering they 292 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:41,280 can ignore the high lords beholden only to the emperors they are all allowed they're allowed 293 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,800 each one's allowed to have his own opinion and want to go out there and fight but yet you know 294 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:50,560 what i mean each person has to do their job in essentially if everyone if all the national guard 295 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:55,440 in your country said i want to go out there and fight sure but then there's no they need to guard 296 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,680 you know i mean they need to do the role that they're assigned to so they fit into the greater 297 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:05,280 piece and even if one custodian is like yeah we should have gone out there sure we you can want 298 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,000 to come out there and fight but you need to guard the most important thing which is the anathema to 299 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:16,560 the chaos god the emperor that's that's uh that is a fair response perhaps a little wrong he's 300 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,480 straight up wrong underestimating how much the average american citizen needs guarding 301 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,160 i don't know i'm just fair enough if the president was literally a skeletal figure on a throne i'd 302 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,800 say maybe you should have done that a bit earlier that's all i'm saying god the hate for the empire 303 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,640 from there is insane and he loves the imperium as well so this is i know i love i love the emperor 304 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:44,720 but they didn't defend him did they oh oh i guess no one everyone failed every single person 305 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,520 technically failed them every that's great nights because they weren't founded yet haha well they 306 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:56,400 were founded before they were found i've got a question for andy too uh you do and you do speak 307 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,520 of them being you said about they're just better than regular restarties and you know and of course 308 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:07,520 the custodians as it is in this debate uh as much as i would like to ignore this lore it happened if 309 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:13,280 i can't ignore the end times i can't ignore this how do how do you explain the space wolves just 310 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:18,480 beating the shit out of them up to and including having one of their grand or grand masters just 311 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,640 like bifurcated that is a certified logan grimnir moment to be fair the logan grim nir incident 312 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,640 he basically was a surprise attack he basically went strike and the great the grand master went 313 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:34,000 huh and then he was already like gone so it wasn't like he had a scrap with him wow but also the 314 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,680 it is worth mentioning that the space wars are designed to be like astartes killers um i'm sure 315 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,280 if they ever had to i mean that's why they were dispatched to all the different legions that were 316 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:48,080 loyal during the horus heresy and if they had means or reason to fight the custodians i think 317 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:53,440 they do a pretty good job with them too but let's not forget that again two unarmed world eaters 318 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:00,880 killed a custodians in the prison cell of camber marwu a bunch of word bearers killed three 319 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,320 astoties including the so-called amazing guy aquil on the tribune they killed a tribune like a 320 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:13,120 senior officer with lorgar and his men they they they've all like the custodian and and the 321 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,480 harlequin should we bring up the harlequins there's a big there's a big buck to those two 322 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:24,160 purposely left out by the way big shout out to my man kegerick the disease yeah the disease 323 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:30,880 custodian and also the uh chaos possessed um word bearer so you left out a few details on those two 324 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,840 incidents yes well oh chaos possessed you know what would have been a good counter a gray knight 325 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:41,760 hmm so why weren't they there because they weren't founded yet like because they weren't they didn't 326 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:47,360 they never wanted to be founded the emperor that's like why wasn't julius caesar saved by 327 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,560 um cal d'ordrega he wasn't around yet he wasn't born that's the best timeline don't joke about that 328 00:30:52,560 --> 00:31:00,560 yeah well uh fair enough although since i how's question was a bit broader in scope i'll 329 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:06,480 bro i basically asked how what happened why you know do anything for 10 000 whole years i do love 330 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,960 how like in the last section he just said you know what though custodies they're really good 331 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:18,640 at standing still like yeah they are yeah good cool so we'll have to stand to uh to add a bit 332 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:25,200 onto my question how do you just generally explain the gray knights uh you know i'm just going to say 333 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:32,080 i'm just going to say the f word failing uh to stop quite a bit of uh chaotic nonsense uh they uh 334 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,480 obviously there's a there's a you know a bit of a great rift in the galaxy right now as it were 335 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:42,480 between the imperium uh there's of course thousands of years of black crusades cultists and whatnot 336 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:48,080 and uh you know there's uh there's been times to gray knights i feel perhaps could have done a bit 337 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:55,040 more such as you know i can literally i can ask that for him by just saying it's the writers against 338 00:31:55,040 --> 00:32:00,320 me and andy right now essentially they are sabotaging us i would say is is when you consider 339 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,080 the gray knights have i believe it's six grand masters so there's six basically armies in their 340 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,240 deployment that means they can only be six places in the galaxy at any one time i and the state 341 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,520 the custodians it would be more so if you split up all of them into like a couple of men squads 342 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,680 you'd have the same problem at least with the gray knights they actually are still doing at least 343 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,680 they at least they are spread thin but they're doing something rather than being spread thin 344 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,400 but keeping everyone in the imperial palace and not doing anything apart from being postal delivery 345 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,120 guys going your new amazon prime order of primaris space marines is here i'm back to the palace to 346 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:40,000 have a mochaccino like no they've they've been doing their bit and again they've been defeating 347 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,040 demon primarks and they've been in literal hell stemming the tide of demons and they've been 348 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:51,600 continually like keep killing any frets that chaos hurls at the galaxy and doing their best and doing 349 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:55,360 their damnedest and working with the inquisition and working with other start east chapters like 350 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:00,400 the dark angels or even the space wolves in that particular incident and they're doing the best 351 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:05,840 they can with the resources they have but at least they're doing something unlike these non-metallic 352 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:10,400 metal looking ass bitches who just stand around doing nothing all day they're doing the best they 353 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:16,640 can that's a good catch phrase they're doing their best doing the best they can indeed all right 354 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:23,360 that's that's fair enough i may have some additional questions after the virtual round but for now i 355 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:31,520 have nothing else to add elai anything on your end no i think i'm all good all right uh in that case 356 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:38,720 hell are you ready to are you ready to get angry i am this is oh i got i have some things to get 357 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:47,520 off my chest all right in that case your timer begins now uh so i'm just gonna straight up say 358 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:54,240 i've been saving this for ages uh titan is like hogwarts or wankers um yeah straight up 359 00:33:55,040 --> 00:34:00,720 discount harry potter looking at uh they put the oxy in moron and i want to talk about again as 360 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,520 we mentioned earlier the monks of shame the grey knights were like bitches they took orders from the 361 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:10,640 inquisition i said they work with the inquisition that's not a boast the inquisition is a mess and 362 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:16,160 they attacked civilians they put they fought the space wars logan grimnaar literally killed a he 363 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,880 killed he just straight up clapped a grey knight like supposedly this great warrior he's a psycho 364 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,240 didn't see it coming apparently got clucked crouched in one uh they banished angron once 365 00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:31,280 and then in the recent angron book they tried again and they failed to banish angron so even 366 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,400 though they basically you throw him a very specific problem they have failed multiple times to actually 367 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:42,960 do that thing and also they emerged after the heresy but were forged slightly before during 368 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,120 the heresy arrived after when they were most needed and basically they are knights so they are 369 00:34:47,120 --> 00:35:05,600 brittonia oh my god damn i know i might have completely like it just ruined it now 370 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,960 well that was uh certainly some anger there i could feel it i could feel it hogwarts this 371 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:23,520 is my favorite part that that was that was funny uh andy are you ready on your end for your minute 372 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:32,560 rage ten points to griffindor let's go all right your time begins now okay let's not get distracted 373 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,640 let's just boil this down to a few things like first of all the custodies have never they have 374 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:45,200 never slain a primarch let alone a demon primarch they have failed in the one job the one job they 375 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,680 were specifically crafted to do protect the emperor i don't care anything that you say oh the gray 376 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,600 knights failed at the month of shame they did it and they still haven't failed in stemming the tide 377 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:02,560 of chaos and doing incredible damage to the forces of the ruinous powers custodies had one job and 378 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,520 now look what the emperor's like he's literally a skelly boy on a golden throne and then when they 379 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,400 went oh turns out maybe we've been resting on our laurels a bit too long they moped around 380 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,760 for millennia do you know how long a millennia is to be moping around in a golden palace and 381 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:23,120 they're all flair no substance i don't care how cool they look how gaudy they look how supposedly 382 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,440 great they are they're considering all the power they supposedly have they don't seem to do much 383 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,440 with it what's the point at least the gray knights are going out there they're doing their job they're 384 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:39,280 doing it well and they're doing it better than ever could they are doing their best all right 385 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,680 who might need might need uh might need to expand the minute of rage to a minute 30 of rage 386 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:55,200 we actually we've been preparing for this we were like looking at i tell this faction is getting 387 00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:02,720 more angry as we went like researching oh man oh for god there's a few good points on both sides 388 00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:08,160 but i'm gonna lie like we both have glaring issues with each faction is like oh god it's just like i 389 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:12,800 mean like you shut you know try to dust pan it into a corner like just forget that i did think it was 390 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:17,280 a bit unfair when you were like oh where were those like they had to get started they were founded 391 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,680 literally at the end of the heresy well my whole they didn't have a head start well my whole 392 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:27,840 confusion is like they emerged like essentially after it and said like oh we yeah we've had 393 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,520 advanced time in 100 years has passed for us about it was like i've got 10 dudes they need to make a 394 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,600 chapter so you put them in a pocket dimension in the warp and then he was like right spend like 395 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:43,760 300 years in that pocket like training these at like here's a million guys like whittle them down 396 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,960 to a couple of thousand and like read all these books and do all this stuff and learn how to be 397 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,960 grey knights and then they came out like what's happening bitches and then they went out and did 398 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,040 their job but you know couldn't have popped out just a little bit undercooked early could have 399 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:04,240 helped but the real answer is like 300 years they had loads of time to prepare and they did but 400 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:07,680 the time didn't pass it was like like a couple of years i think it was like a few months and then 401 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,000 yeah but janice isn't tomei gone why even live i hate you 402 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,200 you why either way you are 403 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,320 well uh before we before we conclude uh elia do you have any questions i have one more i'd like 404 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:34,800 to give to each of them uh i don't know let's see what's the what's the coolest thing that a single 405 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,400 custodies and a single grey knight has ever done i mean caldo drago has already mentioned but oh 406 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:48,800 and also what are the odds that caldo drago's a silver knight none uh color drink is a pretty 407 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,640 good answer though for a great night side if andy picks that one do you want to go for us andy 408 00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,160 uh well what was the well like the coolest thing they've done i mean i've already mentioned how he 409 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:06,400 he basically just uh vandalized mortarion's heart um i think i'll also give a special shout out to 410 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:11,680 garren crowe who's who's a cool boy he has the blade of anta which is like an ancient demonic 411 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:16,000 blade which is apparently so powerful it can corrupt any living being and he has to hold it 412 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:21,440 all the time and he wields it in combat and he has to every single day stave off its corrupting 413 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:27,120 influence going like come on be a bit demonic he's like no come on have a little have a little bit 414 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,920 of case like no i don't want to enjoy yesterday every day like custodians they haven't got that 415 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,440 burden to shoulder they're just like look at my cool golden armor the vaults of terror before i 416 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,120 had my daily cry in front of the emperor i was looking at my my several names i've forgotten my 417 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:49,360 658th name i thought was it was it was it philip or was it philodonius i can't remember could you 418 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:54,720 consult the records but it's like no they're just wasting time it's a good answer to be fair i 419 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,520 didn't get to talk about how they guard stuff in the vaults below terror but that's like so 420 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:06,080 mysterious i would say um for elas question uh technically what constantin valdo's doing right 421 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,960 now so he's just like effed off and going and built like essentially a new faction of um 422 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:16,720 astarte custodian angels in a pocket realm and he essentially is gonna find the emperor's true name 423 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:23,280 castartes so that's we need more space marine subfactions we don't have enough we need more 424 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,360 i mean never enough we need more essentially space marines but like they're proper like he's 425 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:36,560 essentially making actual angels to fight demons so that's i mean and creating his entire force in a 426 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:43,600 pocket for a pocket realm is the king in yellow which uh is pretty that's a lot homework already 427 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:48,800 he's older than the great knight but no he's just like looked at what they did at time and 428 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,360 was like i'm having that like oh that's our thing you've been alone i guess you'll be obsolete and 429 00:40:53,360 --> 00:41:00,320 um oh damn so they get primaris reinforcements oh so now we like the primaris huh they're not 430 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:06,800 just post fucking postmen we're okay with the postman now okay now we'll make our own to be 431 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:13,120 better there's there is in canon i'm pretty sure there's at least one time where gray knight has 432 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:18,400 actually been corrupted by chaos right um is this you're gonna reference the silver the knight in 433 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:25,040 silver or the silver no no not him i think there was a different time uh this is obscure this might 434 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:30,320 be obscure law so i don't uh between between four lore masters we don't know maybe we're not 435 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:36,720 110 sure maybe it's so maybe it's too old to say for sure then i mean there's wasn't there one 436 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:41,440 gray knight who's meant to be a perpetual but then it's like never talked about and supposedly it's 437 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:49,440 not really a thing anymore i don't know about that yeah we're your lore all right never mind that 438 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,840 uh i do have a i do have a question for each of you then and in the spirit of the vitriol round 439 00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:01,440 i'm just punching below the belt on both of these questions uh i'll do i'll they're completely 440 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:06,800 unrelated to one another so there's no fear of having to uh counteract what the other says so 441 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:13,120 just think just uh it'll just be purely your own argument your own standing uh andy i'll go with 442 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:21,920 you first how do you how do you explain the uh gray knights currently having a 40 win rate on 443 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:28,720 warhammer tabletop uh placing them in the bottom five whereas the custodians have a fixed 56 444 00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:34,320 win rate putting them in the top four how uh how do you how do you explain this um i know the psychic 445 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,400 phase has been removed that might be a reason but to be honest it might be a skill issue for the 446 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,640 players using them i don't know maybe they just can't they can't handle the power of the gray 447 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:48,160 knights properly i don't know and also custodians are a bit like oh look at me i've got five units 448 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:53,120 and you know it'll only cost me a few less quid so it's going to be the cheapest army it's going to 449 00:42:53,120 --> 00:43:00,880 be op i'll just use that like oh okay just just a bit of a uh just to get my gaudy little banana 450 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:06,880 boys and so at least i don't play tabletop so i can't really like answer this very well but i'd 451 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:15,840 assume it's just like skill issues for the people using them i guess andy's uh andy's response was 452 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:24,240 to blame everyone but the gray knights for this certainly certainly i wouldn't be too confident 453 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:31,680 though hal because uh yours is also rather pointed uh how do you defend the custodians 454 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:37,840 having perhaps the most annoying section of the warhammer fan base subset where if they do not 455 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:45,440 every single and chaos demon and lord all at once alongside every single organ existence in one 456 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,840 battle uh they bitch and moan that custodians are not getting their fair treatment how do you how do 457 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:56,480 you respond to these allegations that i'm putting forth um we had the right to moan because as we 458 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,040 all know if a custodian doesn't beat a chaos god 1v1 it's bullshit and the author is our favoritism 459 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:08,800 well uh i'll just say straight up um uh coming as a british company we just like to complain about 460 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:13,760 literally anything and so any anytime people are just complaining about something i'm enjoying it 461 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,200 i'm bathing in that uh annoyance and again it it's funny straight up it's just fun i don't need to 462 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,360 defend it it's just funny uh and therefore you really just i thought i'm enjoying i know how to 463 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,480 defend it i can i think i won't defend it's literally just saying oh don't worry they're 464 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,960 not complaining you said skillish you bro you didn't defend you just said get better bro mine 465 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:39,120 is literally it's funny and therefore that's it it was really cool funny basically funny wins 466 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:44,480 uh at least they're not you know britainian 40k so it's all good all right so it's fair 467 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:53,920 it sounds so bad to me it does to me i just oh what's up oh i was i've been scrolling through 468 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,840 the internet and uh it doesn't look like any grenade has been corrupted it's it's it was like 469 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:07,520 kind of sketchy in one book written by ben courtier but it wasn't it was too vague all these 470 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,640 descriptions are too vague to be sure but it doesn't sound like anything doesn't sound like 471 00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:17,760 anything no i have vague memory i thought one of them was like possessed by a demon once or 472 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,960 something like that but they shouldn't have a great night like corrupted by chaos surely that's like 473 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:28,880 a well it's a bit too much in in the defense of the custodians players uh when you bring up the 474 00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:34,640 silver knight there are literally like dozens of great nice fans who think that the great night 475 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:40,000 should have been able to kill slanesh and that it's all it's bs said he got corrupted bro that is 476 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:47,920 also oh my gosh uh that is also pretty bad uh but i didn't ask andy that uh because that is one 477 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:56,880 example versus every single example the custodians don't simply just win uh big fan of the argument 478 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:01,520 they should never lose because of the custodians because yes stating what they are is an argument 479 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:09,760 i defend the custodians not the people who play custodians uh and uh all right i just did i just 480 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,720 wanted to get that quick little parting shot for both tabletop and meta it's a good dig it's a good 481 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:20,640 day uh do remember that uh if you complain in the comment section you are boosting engagement 482 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:27,280 or negative comments you leave the more the video does well in the algorithm at this point if you're 483 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:32,000 listening at this point tell us who you thought won before we gave our results because we do 484 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:38,960 appreciate uh the love and support and also the vitriol uh within reason on youtube boys careful 485 00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:46,800 don't know to put any uh spicy words indeed and uh elai have you have you come to a conclusion 486 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,440 sure i don't have to be either of you to be honest this one is like even before we went in i was like 487 00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:03,120 have you come to a decision call it i believe i have i think i know what yours is and i think i 488 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:12,480 know what mine is all right uh what do you go first all right uh pretty much even and both 489 00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:18,720 factions have their downfalls and have both failed at a lot of stuff uh but then how came 490 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:22,800 in with the petonian comment and man i sure do love petonia oh my god 491 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:31,840 uh but i mean like memes aside it is a hard decision i think the great nights 492 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:41,280 in the 41st millennium the great nights have done more and are better maybe not in the years before 493 00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:47,840 that i think the stories would have the win but the great nights do have the last 10 000 years 494 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:53,600 to you know what i mean they have the last while so i've claimed victory whereas the custodians were 495 00:47:53,600 --> 00:48:01,680 definitely better but i don't think they are anymore so i guess i'll give it to andy hey i 496 00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:08,640 love you thank you we do even though how gave me the uh his favor last time sorry how i have to 497 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:17,680 praise you no it's all about it's all about the arguments colin uh i think uh i'm going to be doing 498 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:25,280 the reverse of eli uh i'm going to be saying i knew it yeah the custodians uh i'm gonna win this 499 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:31,760 argument although i should say uh this was a close one on each side uh i did like a lot of the andy 500 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:38,640 said although i did also try and gauge it by the arguments themselves and uh in terms of fulfilling 501 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:48,240 their purpose i feel the custodians have done a slightly slightly better job uh in terms of 502 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:53,760 you know guarding around the imperial palace for a while should they have been doing other stuff i 503 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:58,640 absolutely believe they should have been but there's a matter of you know saying you should 504 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,000 have done this and as you brought a pal you've been ordered to do this uh and 505 00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:13,520 yeah uh i'm going to give it to the uh the golden boys i am also perhaps a little bit biased based 506 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,440 on their tabletop models being cool i'm biased too i love the great knights the brittonia comment 507 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:24,480 and comment uh help and sabotage me pushed him over the edge i didn't do anything to sway and 508 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,840 that was just all it was if anything i like the hogwarts comment more titan is like hogwarts for 509 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:35,840 wankers and that one made me laugh i've also read karenai's novels and i have not read custodians 510 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:41,360 novels so that really they really helped andy not gonna lie watches of the phronies really good oh 511 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:48,400 yeah really good i did not read either i did also have the i knew it was unfair to go for it but 512 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,640 obviously there was like the sisters of silence i think they're technically within the bracket of 513 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:58,720 like yeah they're not i was gonna have same products i know i didn't really i'm not sure 514 00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:02,480 if it was fair because again like would you say they are they are sisters of silence they're not 515 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:07,920 custodians but again like subcircuit was like as soon as anything great night yeah just bring 516 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:12,160 a sister with me but i didn't think it was fair to use the argument because again they're not 517 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:19,040 technically custodians so uh but that would have been a slam dunk if i could then if you do that 518 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,000 i'd just be like right let's get the assassin or i'm involved to help the great knights because 519 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,240 they're part of the incest and then it will just spiral out yeah actually and then i just you know 520 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:30,720 at one point then to go then just get the emperor chuck the corpse and then just get the emperor to 521 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:36,400 smack them both and then they go stop fighting them all better things to do chuck his bones 522 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:43,600 skeletal hand i'm not saying it spirals up there pandorax is a cool space marine oh yes although 523 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,480 it makes me sad about what happened to epi epimetheus where he's just like two blanks 524 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,480 surgically stitched to him and he's like suspended and he's got his eyes and tongue cut out you're 525 00:50:52,480 --> 00:51:00,160 like poor guy yeah he was a good guy it was tough yeah what it has stricken it has a monkey and it 526 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:07,920 has a cool great knight yep but the real winner was the uh the lore writers though who both gave 527 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,880 us incredibly difficult crutches there we were like damn it gw why couldn't they just move about 528 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:22,320 consistent here comes logan with the steel chair i was like oh no oh man uh let's say though thank 529 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:29,200 you so much for watching and listening um again let us know who you thought won also maybe comment 530 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,160 any arguments we might have missed or things we could have you know used as slam dunk or even 531 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:39,280 maybe some stuff we we definitely there was a lot like to cover and we were trying to obviously fit 532 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:47,360 it into essentially 30 minutes of actual well maybe 10 minutes of uh word so we were troubled 533 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,920 there but um yeah just let us know anything we missed or anything you know we thought maybe we 534 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,960 made a good point also maybe good jokes titan is like hogwarts or wankers let us know if you have 535 00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:03,200 anything similar to that because i'm not gonna lie that one um made me chuckle uh even though i 536 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:09,920 wrote that so uh thank you again so much listen custodian response it was so good because i did 537 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:15,280 it oh it is typical i don't even play custodians to be fair i actually thought playing quite nice 538 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,920 recently was like the models are a little bit 539 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:28,880 the legs look like they look like knights yeah they're a little outdated but they're not bad 540 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:33,200 if primaris didn't exist they'd be like cool space marines ever they would if yeah if it 541 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,120 worked for the primaris they would still be the cream of the space marine crop in terms of also 542 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:42,720 primaris body with a gray knight head and then to be perfect you could do that though i'm surprised 543 00:52:42,720 --> 00:52:48,400 you didn't talk about the sister of battle blood thing oh i i was gonna bring that up but i 544 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,280 love games i didn't have enough time to get to the blood games but oh not that no no this is about 545 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,760 nights drinking sisters of battle blood i'm pretty sure oh no they just they put it on their armor 546 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,360 it's recording apparently that yeah apparently that's not canon i did not know that someone 547 00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,440 they wrote that in something then jill went what the hell is that bro and it's not like 548 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:12,960 on you yeah they were at convo frame that in frame that in i wanted to use that but then i 549 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,600 remember like a it's non-canon and b i figured andy might have a harder time justifying something for 550 00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:25,760 the tabletop and i was going for low blows on both of those questions no they were very good uh 551 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:31,040 again thank you so much for listening and watching we hope you all enjoyed the arguments and uh again 552 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:35,840 or even let us know if you want to see any other things verse against each other we do like to argue 553 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,160 clearly and say we'll be happy to do some more uh with that being said thank you so much for 554 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:56,240 listening and we'll catch you on the next one peace 555 00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:12,240 you