Sitting in your gaming chair
My man, you know the toy repairer from Toy Story 2
Right that scene where you actually repairs Woody is still pretty elite but I love that see he's still
It's just like new
Oh, what a weird twist of Toy Story 2 slash Warhammer crossover
Far away for Buzz Lightyear to get his own Space Marine chapter
See people paint him in that style
Oh yeah, I see that
It actually looks really good
Hello everyone and welcome to the next episode of the beginner to expert podcast
We are continuing our journey with the great crusade slash following the glorious legions of the Emperor
And he's a big fan of Imperial stuff. So this is his bread and butter. I like them. They're good Colin
Not so much. He's an Eldar fan, but he's he's willing to represent some some Imperial fists
I think at some point indeed
Fist fist are cool. I like the fist. He likes the fists
Quote everyone has to remember he said that feel free. I've said far worse
True, but before we get into the episode
We will start with our question of the week and that was on our previous episode on negash
And this was with the hashtag such is the power of and we'll be honest these answers were good
We appreciate all of them very much
So quite a big representation of a one a fancy in this one particularly but we'll get straight on into it
I know Collins itching to hear some of these answers particularly the fancy ones
the first one was
the first ones from
rarest Pepe three eight one fifteen good name nice such is the power of I would resurrect
Felix and I would do so by telling gotrick that negash has his soul and then just sit back and wait
I
Answer it's a pretty strong answer to be honest
Dirty bro Felix got done so dirty
Do you think Felix should be brought back Colin or do you think you don't want to ruin him anymore? I want
to say my guy
If he was a stormcast gotrick realizes he would have no memory of
Himself and would functionally not be Felix
although gotrick can heal memories just by being around people because
He's so tough. He beats the amnesia out of them or something
I don't remember a good story though like oh he comes back as a stormcast and there's like some tension because it's like ah
Um, you do know me, but you don't know that but
Come join me on some adventures
He killed that big thing and he's like no
Felix is asking who this random dwarf is and gotrick is holding back tears. Oh
You don't make it that emotional Christ
It would be I would feel that emotional moving on because we because pain
Such hashtag such is the power of
Scarce Nick that he was actually forgotten by the end times writers
Oh, but he snuck past them in law bring him back to AOS as a guerrilla warfare expert
Who snuck through the scaven dimensional tunnel thing?
I found his way back to his green-skinned buddies make him snows
Make him so sneaky that he snuck past the end of the world. I mean, that's a big call out
I don't have to be pretty cool. He's not wrong. The writers admitted they just forgot about him
It was like oops, geez
Do you not know who explained to Andy who's scarce Nick is? I don't know Jan. Do you know who's scarce?
No, I just made who the commenter was. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot their name. That was read by at lunch meat
Okay, good name. Thank you at lunch meat
Okay
Scarce Nick is goblin sun Tzu because the goblins are allowed to be
infinitely more important in fantasy than the gods
I misheard that I thought you meant he was goblin sun Tzu
What and I was like, oh as in a goblin. Oh, he did not do very different meanings for a moment there
At least I don't think he ate sun Tzu. Maybe that's a white dwarf. I forgot to read
I got the wrong edition of art of war Christ
The ending doesn't seem to match the rest of the book
The next one which is by at
Marco
Marco polder law. Sorry, bro. If I mess that up hashtag such is the power of I would resurrect ferris manas after all the dramatic
Returns of 40k characters. It will be nice for absolutely nothing
to happen
Oh
Poor Morgan
Come on, we were talking about the iron hands
And how what me and how like them
I was being trolled the guy literally said for her as much as he'd come back and then no one would care. That's so
I mean
It doesn't mind me though of like that that comment of what was it um corvus core acts are so good at being invisible people
Don't even remember him in the setting like oh him ferris
Like the two where you're like, oh, yeah, like they're somewhere at least ferris. He did your
Corvus he has the invisible joke
No, I was at least corvus he could make the funny invisible joke. What joke can he make for ferris?
Is
Did someone not um
I swear did someone send a picture like they had the new first man. Oh, yeah
Missing his head discord cut the head off and like filled in i'm like very clever guys
Very well done, but I can't approve of this
God literally comes back as a headless chicken essentially
Well, I actually like ferris and I think he's cool
Shut up, nerd. Well, though
I love with the actual un uncut head off artwork the the comment
I saw something along the lines of like he looks like a rugby player called shane
It makes you sound douchey like you just know yeah, but the way his expression is it looks like that
Shout out to all of my shanes
Shout out to shane listening to this with his family
Uh, and he's like not expecting a call out
Hashtag shane. Thank you watching. Uh shane and the last one was by dominic jackman
2529
Hashtag such is the power of I would resurrect carl franz, but instead of making him into a storm cast
I would have nagash keep him as a thrall champion because he just ruins everything he touches
But but on and off that one. Look all right
I don't know about that one. No
Very much. Yeah, I mean the first half but
He's he's too good for nagash. It's definitely an opinion though. It's controversial
Uh, especially as carl franz does not deserve to be kept by nagash by any means
Uh, that would be I think people would actually riot if that even happened. He's he's a celestin prime, but bro, i'm not coping
It's more like nagash would get pissed off with his perfect jawline as well
Be like i'm not having that around me people are gonna go. Oh, he's got a better jawline than you nagash
He's like, yeah, and you're just a skeleton. You're all jawline
Exactly. You can imagine in the middle of the battle
He just like nagash's hordes are just throwing themselves at the storm cast and he just hit randomly hears summon the electrocounsel
It's like
Anymore I was like I swear i've heard that before and it's just like did you like the guy next like did you say that like
what
Gets his head cut off
I mean it doesn't need exactly the ferris treatment. Does he
The ryklund rune fang
Uh, but having said that though
Uh, thank you so much for your answers. We really appreciate them a lot of them are, uh
Particularly on point particularly the fancy ones we do wish you know
Maybe when we're all uh grandparents or you know grandad age or whatever. We'll hopefully have one more fantasy back
I think you're forgetting to shout out a very special answer someone gay
Oh, is it because the one I I wrote an answer which I said I would like uh, call fans
Oh, no, go ahead. I thought you meant uh, wasn't there one who?
Just listed off all of oh, yes before we before we forget
Uh, unfortunately, you couldn't include it in this one because it would take too long to read
But someone did mention that we wanted to bring back cetera and they listed every single one of his titles
Um, i'm not joking check the comments on the nagash video
Uh, we shout to you brother. We deeply appreciate that one
But when you hit show more and then it's a three essay or three page essay, you know, you found the right comment
That's uh, it was another comment that was something along the lines of like oh for 10k subs
You should have colin read out the entirety of all of setra's names in an asmr voice. I'll do that in my stream
I think people would people would enjoy that for a total of three seconds and
And then immediately shut off too bad. I'd keep going
I don't know colin's got that video on his channel. There's just summon the elector council
What like 10 hours or whatever it is? I also have a video where I just read off all of his titles
And I remember the day when horror shat himself as well
Favorite comment i've got on any video
Well with that being said though, uh, we do have another question for this week, which is
Uh a little bit more primark focus. This is hashtag lost primark
And we're looking for some funny funny answers on this one
Uh, what is the name of the lost primark and why was he censured from imperial records?
Hashtag lost primark example could be he was
You know steve buchemi and he was uh censured for imperial records and we said earlier for being a reddit user. Um
That's not don't no one steal that answer. That's mine
Uh, but that's just a small example
And with that being said though, uh today we'll be continuing with our episode on the great crusade
This is part three and we're following the next few legions
We'll be doing white scars space wolves and imperial fists and i'll hand over to andy to take it away
I was doing the recap. Oh, no, sorry colin's doing a recap my bad
Sorry colin will do a small recap of what we have previously covered colin take it away
Of course. Thank you. Just just a quick little recap, uh from last episode
uh the great crusade for those who are not too familiar was
The emperor setting out with his many legions of astartes and normal humans
To conquer the galaxy in the name of humanity to reunite all the lost human worlds
And expand even further if they have the time for it
Uh, it also of course had the secondary objective of finding his sons that were lost into the warp
Uh, which you know given that they were supposed to be the generals of his armies. He kind of really needed them
So he set out across the galaxy with a conquer it b find madame kids
And for the legions we covered last time the dark angels what they were up to in the great crusade
They were the emperor's first and arguably greatest definitely most trusted legion
Given access to equipment from the dark age that not a not any of the other legions had they had men of iron which
In fact, they had them even in reduced capacity was insane because perium does not like ai but the dark angels
Just got to keep a couple of them as pets
Uh, they suffered pretty heavy losses against the rang den and the uh, one of those one of the wars against them
So for that and lionel johnson not being the most sociable of gentlemen, shall we say?
He was passed over for the role of war master, but nevertheless they served with well
Great distinction and they were easily one of the most respected of the legions at the time
Uh one of the the next one the emperor's children
Uh for their stellar service, they were granted the honor of bearing the emperor's own name
Uh, because despite the uh, a gene seed crisis where they'll I mean it was called the blight
It was more of a feel free to correct me on this basically super cancer
Uh was my has always been my understanding of the blight. Yeah, I think so. Yeah
Uh, they were nonetheless serving very well and when they found their prime arc they uh
The issue wasn't fixed, but they had new gene seeds. So it was kind of put off
Uh, and once aside from that because or pardon me because of this when they uh, they met for they found fulgrim reunited with him
And got new gene seed. They were given a new lease on life. They uh
Became one of the most more morally upstanding legions funnily enough for what's coming later on the line
Uh with a bit of a bent towards perfectionism, which surely is not a sign of things to come for the emperor's children
And the last legion we covered the nightlords, uh, unlike the other two they were pretty big. Sorry
Iron warriors. Oh, oh god. We haven't done nightlords yet. I don't know why I wrote down the nightlords. That's what
pardon me iron warriors, uh, they were
Uh, unlike the other two when they found their prime arc, they got
infinitely worse
Uh, because perturabo, uh showed up look at the
Performance and said this isn't good enough. So we killed one in ten of their pardon me had the rest of his legion killed one in ten of them
And from that moment on the iron warriors, uh became
Experts at siege warfare and were generally deployed to the worst of the worst war zones where they were just ground down into dirt
Because perturabo did not feel like ever once saying could I do something different?
And they became if they were to be
And they became a very resentful bitter legion over their prime arc the circumstances they were in just
reality in general
Uh, but fair's fair. They were very good at sieges
Uh, if you wanted a fortress cracked you went to the iron warriors who would usually take
Horrendous losses in both the stardies and normal people but they would get it done
And uh, that was uh, that was a little recap of last time make sure to go
Watch it if you haven't
And without further ado, I will pass it on over to andy
I don't know why I said nightlords. I still don't know where that came from. I mean they both didn't get better with their prime marks
They both had a crap. I think maybe that's what it was. Like I was just I was just
Thinking yeah, they both got worse and maybe that just filtered into my head nightmare
Times two is eight. So it's divisible. So yeah, it is, you know, but we'll be talking
we'll be tackling them in the next episode, I suppose but
Uh today, uh, i'm actually front loading a lot of this episode today. I'm going to be discussing
Uh the white scars and the space wolves and then collin's gonna
Bring it home with a good fist in at the end with the imperial fists
Um, which is specified by his natural legion. We're not doing something on the camera for the audio list
Oh, no. All right
It's going a bit too far. Just playing it safe. Just playing it safe. Um
But yeah, and also I love like the light scars my favorite legion
So I couldn't not talk about them. So without further ado, let's talk about the fifth legion
Back during the unification of terror
The fifth legion used to be known as the star hunters and they were drawn from the fulian basin
Now at first there were actually only a hundred or so warriors a couple a hundred maybe
So in a similar way to the third legion, they were quite small numbers, but not because of you know
Space cancer it was more of oh they were a bit more niche
Uh, and they would endure the harshest of all of terror's environments and would
Earn a reputation as being like the scouts and the pathfinders of the emperor's armies
And this extended when they actually joined the great crusade where even though they were few in numbers
And they wouldn't really earn much glory because you know, there's there's not really much you can like say about oh I found this
this fortification
It's like oh cool. You're not getting a medal for that. Whereas the dark angels come and just smash it to pieces and they get like laurels of victory
um, but because of their specialty
They would be set far and wide across the galaxy
In nature, they were very distant and solitary to their peers
They were occlusive in nature and had an independence to them
So they it's not that they didn't necessarily get along with other legions. It's just they didn't really
Need to be around them that often they why would they be around the big armies when they were at the forefront?
Picking targets weakening enemy fortifications for them to come in later on to kick down the last remnants of resistance
um
But they they didn't call for help they off very often, but they weren't vainglorious
This isn't them being egotistical and saying we can do anything ourselves
It was more of a case of they didn't want to imperil other legions by not getting it done themselves
And so they became very good at being self-reliant figuring out tactics
Which wouldn't cost them too many casualties and trying to be a bit clever about using hit-and-run tactics
Um, they even had a motto saying something along the lines of each day is a victory in itself
And uh, this really exemplifies how good they were at
Championing survivability against impossible odds and for what it's worth. Are you gonna say something colin?
See they just they just also just didn't need the help a lot of the time
Yeah, just fair enough. I mean again you mentioned briefly with the recap like the iron warriors
They were like there's one way of war you do that till you win
White scars were like now we're gonna like we're gonna use our brains a bit. We're gonna try and figure out. Okay
We're gonna we're not gonna have like a huge army at our back, but can we attack this weak point? Does that work?
No, okay. We could fall back. We could try again do a different composition of units different weapons
that kind of stuff
but inevitably
With time the fifth legion would be eroded their numbers would drop
until
The discovery of everyone's favorite primarch jagatai khan the war hawk himself
Now jagatai was found on the world of chagoras
Which by the imperial records would be mundus planus or plainus
Big verdant open lands lots of big grassy fields
the uh the ruling tyrants known as the
Palatine I believe it was uh were basically oppressing the tribes of uh
the various peoples of chagoras and
On khan which would be jagatai's adoptive father found jagatai in the plains and went near the kumkata mountains and went
Oh, look, it's a child. He'll be a great warrior and um
Long story short we did a video on the white scars previously and i've talked about a bit more there but long story short
Jagatai would have ambitions beyond just warfare. He wanted to unite his people and with a few years of work and a bit of elway
Greece he managed to do it. He he conquered the palatine. He united all the tribes of chagoras
And with the arrival of the emperor, he was very swiftly
Being inducted into the ranks of the imperium much to the dismay of rebute giliman and dawn because they didn't like
How he did things they were like this guy is just some you know
This this horse riding crazy guy with a cool top knot. He's instantly given command of his legion and we don't like
His shamanistic people's beliefs and his rejection of some of the ideals of the imperial creed
That's a bit cringe. It's like no giliman dawn
Your cringe and then chagoras is united jagatai's got a legion
After a few
campaigns across the sultan's
After a few campaigns across the stars of the great crusade jagatai was starting to get a sense of what these new
Ceramite clad astartes warriors were like and he's now at this point
Transformed his own men who have stood beside him into astartes
Including chads such as chinsha and taegu tai yusugai
They're awesome characters
But after a while he went okay
We need to bring the the legion back to full strength and bear in mind for a few years now quite a few years
I'm, not exactly sure when jagatai was found, but I think it's like the front half of all the prime marks
um, I thought he was from it's like relatively in the middle slash
Yeah, it's like not yeah, not early not late. It's kind of in that we've got some prime marks already
We've got prime marks at home. We've got more to find. We've got prime marks at home. We don't need to buy
Prime marks. Yeah, exactly. Um, so the imperium is already kind of
Doing all right as it is
But I think they mentioned in jagatai's book that when he arrives because he goes back to terror doesn't he?
Yeah, and then they said learning well, he says like, um
When they arrived so many prime marks had already returned to the imperium that the basically every time like when horrors arrived
There was a massive celebration and then by the time jagatai had arrived. It was like, oh, yeah
You know, I mean like a small ceremony because party poppers and that's it. Yeah, by the end you get a welcome card signed by roguedorn
Like hi brother. Nice to meet you signed dawn. Yeah, so relatively like
Late ish but not the very tail end of I think they're all quite found close together towards the end as well
But it was sort of middle late
and and when you consider like dawn and gilman have already brought their own empires into the fold and
You've got people like ferris manus and leman ross and horus who've been there
They're the top they're the first three who've been there every step of the way
Mentoring their brothers and all of a sudden this guy jagatai turns up out nowhere
It's like oh and he's going to take care of his his scattered legion. Oh fair enough
Not not much fanfare, but um
as jagatai got the hang of you know space warfare and
the the objectives of the great crusade he went okay, we need to reunite the legion because
Everyone's spread out
Everyone's got a different, you know
This company doesn't know this company. They're all a bunch of strangers
They're all getting their own cultural trappings and making their own customs as they're across many different parts of the the galaxy
All right. I'm gonna call them all back to chagoras and we're gonna like
We're gonna do something to to bring us some meaning and so it took about I believe 20 years
Um, but eventually
Definitely over a decade
so maybe maybe not 20 but definitely over 10 years for all of the
Expeditionary fleets of the white scars to convene at chagoras and upon chagoras
They would conduct what is known as the blooding by scarring their faces with with like ritual knives
Abandoning their old names and adopting new names as they became as a legion the white scars and through this
signifier of
relinquishing the old adopting the new and uniting under one banner of you know the the trappings and culture of their of the war hawk of
chagoras
Each of startis would be unified in purpose and transform from strangers from across the stars into a united brotherhood
And i've actually got a quote. I was wondering if either elio how would like to read it. I put it in the side chat
Oh wow, that's beefy that one
It's a beef. It's both are fair. This was beefier, but it's two characters as well
Uh, I don't mind. Uh, if I want to
Yeah, you can that is a long one holy moly. Yeah, uh, excuse me apologies already for the uh pronunciation on some of the names
But i'll go for it
You are now of the ordo of jagatai and your old life is no more
What name do you take to mark your ascension?
Tamu had spoken it out loud many times in the days prior to the ceremony
Getting used to the feel of it on his lips
Trying to ease the strangeness of the transition
When he replied it still felt jarring
shiban he said
Hasek handed him the glaive
You are one with the ordo shiban you are of the brotherhood. You will not leave it except in death
Except in death may it be long in coming and may glory accompany your deeds until that day
Shiban took the glaive in both hands
The weapon felt pleasantly heavily
God damn, I can't get that one out
The weapon felt pleasantly heavy in his gauntlets he ran his eyes up and down the blade
Noting the glyphs on the metal the gliding on the
There the gilding on the disruptor casing it was perfect
For the great khan he said bowing respectfully his heart full to bursting
That's actually
S Legion for real
My favorite actually about the white scars is that they don't call themselves white scars isn't that they get that name from
from
The other legions who they just see the scar and then they wear white armor
They see these pale scratches on their face and they're like, oh the scars. Yeah. Yeah, but they they they more more or less
Refer to each other as the ordo ordo jagatai. Yeah
They obviously have their own brotherhoods like there's the brotherhood of the moon brotherhood of the sun brotherhood of the golden star
Which are like their their battle companies
um, but yeah, I just I like that quote in that it kind of shows you
Like one of the starties, I think is she barn terran. I think she barn she barn is uh
I don't think she barn is no she bonds from the same clan. I think is uh, uh, jagatai. I think you're thinking of
your
Uh, he's the one the white scar who fights abaddon in the siege of terror. Yeah, I think you're thinking jubal. Yeah
He's jubal jubal's terran, but i've had a weird thing. I was noticed. It's kind of like has someone here played fallout new vegas
Yeah, they need to this is uh, it reminds me of how you know caesar in that game where he he asked like why do you
Well, you can ask him why is
Why is everyone like dressed up like the old roman empire of like old and he said he needed like a culture to essentially bind all
The groups together and it's a yeah, I find like a weird link between this and jagatai where he sort of bound the many different
star phantoms into
The uh, yeah, but again, it's it's like
It worked a charm because it makes it make sense of like you've literally had these companies
Roaming the stars for maybe as much as 50 to like 50 plus years
They haven't met their their other companies. They they have no bonds of friendship or loyalty
They're just like oh you're some other company that I don't know
Um, so this was just a way of them to go right?
We're starting fresh and we're gonna do it in in the the good old chagorin way
And uh, we're gonna get space bikes and it'll be really cool. Um, some of them fit in quite well
Don't they like jubile fits in like some of the terrans fit in almost like they were born of chagoras and some of them
This there's even a bit
I remember of like they have like the fermented milk and some of them are drinking it and they're not quite used to like
Um, this weird like concoction that this chagoras drink
Yeah
Uh, it's it's interesting again like seeing the
And and even in the horus heresy there are characters who aren't from chagoras or terra
Who are put into the legion and seeing their transition of like oh I am now a white scar
And this is what it means to be one of the fifth legion and we're bound by these traditions
And I think that's pretty cool and like that quote does a good job of like a character getting used to oh
This isn't my name anymore. Now. I'm this person it feels weird to say it and i've been rehearsing
You know, it's being my name from now on, uh, but I think that's pretty cool
Now it's worth saying that during the great crusade, uh white scars were by no means one of the biggest legions
uh, they had about 80 000 astartes during the uh,
the what was known as the colan circle of planets, uh compliance and
And jagatai then following the blooding went. All right. Now we're we're united and we're a legion like my brothers have
We've got to do a trial by fire. So he used the colan circle as like an initiation
So he set all of his companies in the campaign. He he divided them up and he said okay
You're doing this you're doing doing this you're doing this and he basically made it so that they would be
Every single company would be overwhelmed with opposition
So none of them had an easy time of it and about one in ten of each of the companies would die during the five-year war
Uh, which isn't the same as obviously like the decimation that perderabbo did where he said oh you're weak
So kill the weakest person it was like no i'm gonna give you a chance to prove yourself in battle and
It wasn't like he was waiting for one in ten to die
It was more of a case of we've got to like
Make sure we're all up to standard we're going to do this really grueling campaign
but i'm going to make it so that I test you to the best of your ability and um
Each company wouldn't be supported for minimum of three years of fighting
So they fought alone as a band of warriors until they were they were deemed worthy of their namesake of the white scars and
Um, this did really well again. We did out some of the people in the legion who wouldn't survive otherwise
Uh, they never lost momentum nor retreated from their foes
And at the forefront of each of the the main battles of this campaign jagatai was at the spear tip and
The legion would always compete to be at his side when he was fighting to to
To prove themselves worthy of fighting with their prime arc and it again
It was like an element of oh I want to I want senpai to notice me
So I want him to know that i'm a true member of the fifth legion. I'm gonna fight alongside him. Yeah, i'm cool
um
And yeah over time, uh
Uh, they would bring many worlds into compliance fighting shoulder to shoulder with other cousin legions until the pivotal
Campaign of the ulunor crusade
During the ulunor crusade obviously the biggest orc greenskin
Empire that had ever been seen had amassed and the imperium had to bring every resource to bear to try and crush them
so
The white scars that did their bit and at the final battle of ulunor prime
The white scars stood alongside the ultramarines the lunar wolves and the emperor's own retinue
To destroy urlac urg who was the the orc war boss in charge of the the great
greenskin tide and then they won the battle and the ulunor ulunor triumph happened and
At that point there was no doubt that the white scars belonged
Among the rest of the legions as a as a proper legion that had proven themselves worthy
they also
Even though they were proven in the eyes of the other legions people still mistrusted their their storm seers and their traditions
During the council of nikea which was the censure of the uh, the use of psyches within the imperium
The white scars primarch would actually help draft the uh, library us alongside magmus the red and sanguineous to try and
regulate psyches within the legions, but the white scars particularly
Were conservative in the way they used the warp and so during the council of nikea they would be present to
Espouse the value of using psyches, but they also emphasized using restraint
But with all this said
They also followed for example the test of heaven with the the way they utilize the warp with their storm seers and
And despite their best efforts they were seen as barbaric and unseemly by other parts of the wider imperium
and no one really
Understood the white scars no matter how many you know campaigns they won compliances they brought
Everyone was a bit unnerved by them just because they didn't understand them not in the same way of
When you think of the space wars going, oh, they're just some barbarians from an ice world the the white scars
They were like there's something there, but I can't quite understand it and you know
So and and the white scars never made any efforts to try and show their hand because they wanted people to underestimate them
So that they could take full advantage if they needed to to like to win battles or to to gain the upper hand
But with the council of nikea concluded the white scars would be banned from using any psyches
And they would continue uh, they were they were the legion tasked with mopping up the last remnants of uh, the ulun or orc war that was
pretty much broken but now dispersing across the stars and
Prior to the horus heresy. This would be the last thing they did until
Obviously the uh the burning of prospero
And the horus heresy and everything else and that's basically a rundown of the white scars and what they were up to
Do we have any questions?
I was gonna say like a last like a last um
Statement which particularly if you're new to warhammer you're kind of thinking
Are they the white scar like what makes them?
Uh unique. I thought the first thing we should probably mention is like speed speed speed speed baby, you know, they they
We they are speedy boys. They are the fastest legion by far. They love their jet bikes. Don't they andy love their jet bikes
They like to go fast
Literally, that's their whole point is they would shock and destroy but also they're kind of cool because they kept
They're similar to like what when we tackle the space wars later the white scars
From their the culture that they birthed upon
Chagoras is still is very present within like some of the legions could be quite um
No, I won't say generic, but you know, I mean they're quite imperial whereas the white scars are very much a chagorean
uh legion even throughout the great crusade obviously when they were
joined by uh jagatai and they're very even like even their early great crusade armor, they have um all their cool stuff
That's my like kind of final thought also. I'm not sure jagatai is quite caesar from new vegas
But you know, there's some similarities if you have played that game. It's a good game
That's pretty much it
down with down with the legion down with the litchi down the legion
Right, I guess if there's no more questions should we move on to uh said space wolfie boys the uh, the other quote barbaric
Legion that no one understands or understood or wanted to
Fitting that there are the two barbarian legions quote unquote are together
Yeah, and and there's there's some interesting parallels
But uh, I should say before I start with the space balls the two legions don't get on
Even in the 41st millennium
There there's a bit of animosity between the two because of the different ways they
They uh, shall we say conceal some of their more nobler characteristics and how they portray themselves to the wider imperium
But let's start off by talking about the history of the the sixth legion. So
During the formation of the legions
Every legion would be made with a specific purpose in mind
But the the weird thing about the space wolves is they are the first of the quote tree foil legions
And each of these tree foil legions were made for a specific purpose
So the the three are you've got the sixth legion, which is the space wolves
you've got the 18th legion, which is the salamanders and the 20th legion, which is the alpha legion and
the emperor specifically
Kind of held back these legions to do a specific purpose the alpha legion
Couldn't do because although all the legions have a specialty in warfare
These legions had a particular purpose outside of warfare
now
To talk about how they were drafted
The space walls were not a legion drawn from a specific place. They were taken from all across terror, but the uh,
the the unifying factor was
They would draw from the most hyper violent and savage of all the places
on terror, so if you're frothing at the mouth, you're probably going to be get get drafted into the sixth legion because
For what they were destined to do the the imperium was like, ah, we need this like
Nasty person who like bite your ear off
That that that's the kind of guy we want in this legion, which is weird considering the world eaters exist. But anyway
um during the conquest of
unification of terror
The sixth legion was the first of the six legions
of unification of terror the sixth legion, although it was built up to strength was
Deliberately held back from being deployed
Um, this is possibly due to the fact that they had a really high mortality rate when transplanted with the sixth legion gene seed
Uh, it could also be for the fact that the emperor was specifically holding them back them back for this purpose
He had in mind
but either way they were isolated from their peers and
They would be spared some of the crises such as the gene seed crisis which happened to the third legion
They'd be spared from being split up like the fifth legion. They'd be spared from being completely decimated by
Endless meat grinder kind of warfare like the fourth legion or gene floors like the ninth legion
They they actually did quite well during unification because they were never really seen but once the unification wars were over
And the great and the great crusade was put into its first
Really difficult steps to expand into the stars
Then the sixth legion were unleashed about three thousand five hundred astartes strong
they would be led personally by the emperor during the compliance of the world known as del's van and
The del's van civilization was particularly, uh, technologically advanced
they had inherited equipment from the dark from the age of strife and the dark age of technology and
Only a really overwhelming force would be capable of killing these uh, these opponents
so the quote route of uh,
Terror which are basically they were known as the jackals or carrion feeders of terror were unleashed in their entirety to destroy the opposition of del's van
and
they completely destroyed them and there's not really any records of
Anything they did other than the fact that they didn't let anyone live and
there's no del's vanian survivors left because
the route had their feed of the carrion of battle and
You don't need to know more than the fact that they were completely merciless and savage and they got the job done
More than any other legion was expected to do
now
Over time the route would grow in number
But they would still know no they wouldn't get to the same uh,
Size as say the lunar wolves or the ultramarines like they were about the third of the size of the dark angels or lunar wolves during the great crusade
But despite the fact that they weren't a big legion. They nonetheless got many glories many plaudits
They were extremely effective, but they had a huge civilian casualty rate and collateral damage
So you only really wanted to unleash the route onto an enemy if you didn't want anything left standing because
They don't care if you're using human shields
They don't care if you're using quote geneva conventions. They're just going to butcher everyone in their path until the job's done
Um the geneva suggestions is what they refer to them as
That is brilliant
And
In a way because of the fact that they were so um
Undisciplined in that regard they were actually a very fractious internally legion like there were lots of
uh conflicts within their own organization to the point where
Officers were appointed by pure
martial prowess and strength so the strongest would become officers and if you weren't strong
It doesn't matter what you say, but they also had this curse in their gene seed known as the canis helix
which would slowly begin to set in without the uh
The the genetic materials of their primarch to resolve some of the flaws in its design
So at this point
The the route is not in a great place
The the route is not in a great place. They don't have a primarch and there's only one primarch in the imperium at this point
That's horus lupical
They're internally fractious. They've got a bad reputation and there's flaws setting in from their gene seed and without their primarch
It's going to go really terribly
Luckily for them the second primarch to ever be found leman rus would be discovered on the world of fenris
A barren ice world full of terrible monsters and a viking culture feudal society
Um, and again long story short about his uh, his own story. We did videos on the primarchs, etc
um
He would come to rule fenris as a bar a barbarian king
of the ice tribes he would unite the entire planet and
With his introduction to the sixth legion
The sixth legion would adopt the cultural trappings of fenris
They would live in the image and shadow of their primarch and they would now regard themselves as the vilka fenrica
And follow we follow follow fervently follow in the wolf king's footsteps
Uh with whatever he did and it was actually a very good time for them because then they got to stabilize their gene seed
Um a lot of leman rus's men who had fought with him on fenris were quite old
So there was a lot of casualties when they were tried when they tried to make them into estates
but the estates who survived the procedure were extremely like
gruff and tough and
Dangerous individuals. So now you've got this legion bolstered by even more
Uh, you know barbaric
killers in a way but also have this innate sense of
Fenris's honor and mythology and so it's a boon for the legion and now is the second legion to have a primarch appointed
um
The the route goes from strength to strength. Can I mention something really like
Very space wolfy in wolfy in terms of the law, you know, but they're uh gene a gene seed curse
I've mentioned this I think briefly in the um, the wolf
Yeah, the wolf and curse the briefing the primarch's uh particles episode check that out. Um
it's not called wolf and because when they have their
For even a notable hammer sometimes the gene seed that makes them into a starties is not
Is a the emperors put some weird stuff in there and sometimes as you can tell they're space wolves
They look a bit wolfy. Sometimes there's a gene seed curse for some of the legions and the space wolves are
One of the legions that have it as well
Although it could be argued of quite a few of them. Maybe all of them have it in some way
Um in terms of temperament, but the space wolves have one called the wolfen
Which means they kind of had the possibility of basically turning into werewolves
Werewolves, but they're not called wolfen because they look like wolves
it's they're called wolfen because
uh, one of the men of russe
Who joined him in becoming a space marine?
um, he
essentially held resentment in his heart for leman russe and the uh
trial for which becoming a space wolf like the gate at the go through the gates of morkai, which are like
Essentially they test you for like taint essentially from chaos
um essentially his dislike for or his jealousy of russe
Allowed chaos into his heart and he became the first wolfen and he attacked russe so that and his name was wolfen
So that's why they're called wolfen because they're named after things that
I
It's so like why?
Why can they not just resist the urge to be like everything is actually named after this?
It's not it's not called this because you know, like the land speeder. It's not called that because it speeds across the land
It's developed by arken land. You don't need to do that
You don't need to name everything after a person. I just remember reading that I think is in the ragnar
Blackmail books. I'm thinking what the hell is it?
Because they do they meet well
There's two stages of that curse you can have like wolfen where they just essentially their eyes start to glow yellow
And then they're a little bit more like wolf-like and there's like full-on
They become savage beasts like actual werewolves and wolves
And that's why the joke of there are no I mean they can't say anymore can they but gw or something
But there are no wolves on thin that is I mean, they shouldn't say it but they still will
It's a it's a joke because it's meant to imply that the like gene seed or supposedly they became the wall that the people became the wolves
It uh, god, you know, that's like I just find that funny little story like they're called wolfen because they're named after a dude
Not because they actually look like wolves
They actually look like wolves. Oh my god
We that well to be honest
I did a I did a nearly one hour video on the space wolves talking about everything and
I've had a several comments being like take a shot for every time that the remembrancer says wolf and it's like yeah
It's a lot. There's a lot of there's wolf king and wolfen
And the 13 wolf spirits and the wolf packs and the lone wolves and the it's like wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf
Here come the space wolves
um, but I should mention that they the the reason i've said the route is because of their
Their history as the carrion readers of terror and the vilka fenrica is what they actually call themselves
They don't call themselves space wolves. That's basically a misinterpretation
By the wider imperium to go. Oh wolves wolf all the wolf trappings pelts
They're in space space space wolves and the the the the vilka fenrica do not like it when people call them space wolves
But they are like the white scars essentially like we mentioned earlier. Yeah
Exactly. It's an interesting parallel, but it's not as on the nose at least it was like oh god
Well, if you don't want to be called space wolves
Why why do you call your battalions wolf packs and wolf brothers and why have you got the wolf bane?
And why are you wearing a wolf?
And why is your name scarce and wolf wolfen son like yeah?
Yeah, it's just a mistake to make that really is the most spot-on bit in tts where the emperor's like all I got out of
That was wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf
Um, but speaking of wolf wolf wolf wolf, uh, eli i've put another quote in the sidebar
Would you fancy doing a read of that for me? Yes, but i'm not gonna do a space wolf accent. Sorry bro. Okay. No worries
My god, I wish I wish it would be too bad. I can't do it
All right as the strands of iron are twisted and hammered together in the forging of a killing blade
So shall we be and I and my old sworn have been in hold up. I'm having the same issue
Okay, I and my old sworn have been until now the wolves of fenris and you cousins of my blood the wolves of terra
Together we shall become the wolves that stalk the stars and the beasts that crawl and feed in the darkness of the void shall
Come to fear us and know themselves hunted
Cool, I like the space wolves literally call themselves the walls of fenris, but call themselves space walls is like no, you're not a lot
Say so is not my pronoun is literally that energy and then
Microaggression
Well, I mean again they went in as the jackals of of terra and I know
Horus didn't like the fact that people called them space wolves because if you think about it
There's only two primarchs at this point and there's the lunar wolves and the space wolves and horses like that's my thing
Don't steal my thing. Come on stomps on the ground. No
The ground gets in a bit of a tear real reason for the horse heresy. Yeah, it's all about names in it
Um, so yeah, so with with that all done, uh, leman rust now has a very formidable legion
At his behest so as soon as he's installed to to bring compliance across the galaxy for the great crusade
he he embarks upon the wheel of fire frontier to the galactic east and
This is where the vilka fenrica would exterminate the xenos and some human
Stragglers in that sector, but it was a particularly treacherous kind of campaign
They fought directly alongside the white scars and their primarch
To destroy the orc war of mashog
But they also fought alongside the iron warriors, but they didn't really like commend them for their actions
They just called them comrades as like support units. They were like, oh white scars
And us we did all the fighting the iron warriors were just there and they helped
I was like, oh, that's a bit
Well roasted or fourth legion
I think the only thing they did was like perturabba helped like plot the trajectory of their like drop drop ship vectors
And they're like, yeah that helped. I'm pretty sure
But i was in the planning stage and he's like like lemon ross has already gone. He's already what he's gone
Yeah, basically and jagatai is already on the planet like they've already left
Oh my like the two most impetuous legions who are like i'll do it now like oh
Which I find is funny though like perturabba is just there with his arms forward again fucking
Uh, anyway, um, but during this uh campaign the the the space wars would lose about one astartes per a thousand orcs
Which is pretty good odds
And uh through again this trial of uh, blood and fire they would be remolded in their prime arc's image very much like the white scars
um
however
The the space wars probably more than any would create a lot of rivalries against their cousin legions throughout the great crusade
um and one of these would be uh, particularly well known
um
With the first legion the dark angels. Um
Um at this point a lot. Yeah at this point
lemon ross is already a little bit salty in that he's been there since more or less the beginning and the lions
turned up quite late in the game and the dark angels have more compliances than the space wolves and
And lemon ross isn't happy about this. He's like i've been here since just after horus and there's new upstarts here
And his legion although the legion's already done a lot of stuff since he's returned. He's like he's killing it. I'm annoyed at this
Um, so they're doing this compliance of this world called dulan and the planetary governor. Um
It calls calls the wolf king a swear he calls him a swear and he calls him fat or something
I don't know. He called he calls him a name and then lemon ross
Is really the emperor. I think it's the exact word isn't it lapdog? Oh, yeah. Yeah
Yeah lapdog of the emperor and then he goes i'm killing this man
so they go and they start fighting and they do the warring and
lemon ross gets to the uh, the capital city he kicks in the door of the the throne room where this
Planetary governor should be and he sees the lion just standing over his dead corpse
uh
As opposed to an alive course, he's standing over his corpse and
And yeah, and uh necromancy exists in these settings. Yeah, gotta be gotta be careful. He's not in this universe. Um
unfortunately, a little bit more terry instead is
Um, but yeah, and so
Even ross isn't happy his honor his chance to redeem his honor is now
Non-existent he can't avenge his pride and so he gets into a bit of a kind of like lion
How dare you kill this guy? I was gonna kill him. You you kill a sit like you you should have gone and assist
You got you kill stealing me. So lion's like oh shut up and they get into a fight. It lasts over a day
um
and eventually, uh
Long story short they
Leemann goes. Oh my god. Why are we fighting? We've been at this for a day. We're so silly. We're goofy goobers and then
Lion goes you call me a what and he knocks him out
So then the lion, uh, the lion and the dark angels leave do land
And the space wolves revive their primarch from being unconscious and then he's like, oh, where's where's the lion?
He just sucker punched me. He's like, oh he's gone
Um, and that basically starts a 10 000 plus year old feud between the space wolves and the dark angels
That's one feud for the books
uh, they also would start a feud with the world eaters during their uh,
night of the wolf where the emperor heard that angron and his legion were
Implanting butcher's nails into their men
Which is a big no-no because that's not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination
and so the emperor
Dispatched leem and russ and his space wolves to uh to bring his order to stop doing that
um
And that was also following the genna massacre where the butcher's nails
fueled the starties of the world eaters have already gone a bit of a civilian killing rampage, so
So not good by any stretch of the imagination and because of these gehenna's where they
Make it they find the technology to make the butcher's nails
Work on the world eaters before it just killed them all well just for reference if people don't know the
the butcher's nails are like a
A brain implant that's what it's called implant. Yeah, it basically only lets adrenaline
Like kick in when you're essentially massacring people so that's why the emperor doesn't want it
It like turns off the centers of your brain that aren't related to fighting and rage
It's locks off your endorphin receptors your serotonin receptors anything you like if you like think of anytime
You've accomplished something or had a nice meal and it made you feel good or you've done something nice
It's like you don't feel anything for doing any of that and it's miserable
The only reason you feel happy is when you cut someone's face off like oh, okay
That's what the butcher's nails do
It's like the fine dining and breathing all they know is
murdering and breathing
But yeah, um and and because of these uh,
These these acts of censure over time a nickname
Would be attributed to the vilka fenrica and their primarch
They would know the wolf king as the emperor's executioner and his dogs of war
and the sixth legion
would be infamous as a legion that
quite possibly also got rid of the the second and eleventh legions of the lost and forgotten primarchs
We don't really know much about them
it's heavily implied that the route were the ones who were the uh,
The damocles hammer the damocles sword of damocles over the neck of the primarchs of the second and eleventh legion
Though we're not sure not much is known about it
But all that is known is that when something is really really really really egregious
Then the emperor calls the wolves he doesn't call the dark angels who are the exterminators of the universe
He doesn't call the ultramarines who are the diplomats
He doesn't call the blood angels who enable he calls the route because they're just going to kill whatever he tells them to do
And not in a way like the world eaters where they're going to shred under bits and get a bit like
Caught up in the bloodlust. It's like no, they're just going to do their duty and then they're going to leave
Um, and that's kind of the reason he made them. That's why they're one of the trefoil. They were made as his enforcers
um
and
To an extent this is also one of their biggest
flaws in personality because they are held in high esteem by the emperor personally and they are very proud of their
uh their situation and their relationship to the master of mankind this would fuel
Uh a lot of their actions leading up to the horus heresy one of which being their compliance alongside the thousand sons
during the arc reach cluster campaign where
the 15th legion were
Bringing compliance to the world using their oogily boogily psychic powers
until some of the members of the thousand sons started turning into abominations with a curse known as the flesh change and
Lee man ross was not happy about this. He saw it as uh, as heresy and abominable, you know
warp manipulations and
He basically just culled all the the flesh changing thousand sons
He almost went into a full scale war with the thousand sons without the without the intervention of logar or alyan and the word bearers
as like intermediaries like
daddy chill just standing between the two
Fire marks. It was like that was what the hell is that thing?
That was basically even yeah, leaving us going looking at a space marine turning into the flesh. He's like what what the hell is even that?
um
There's a yes. I love that scene though because there's a bit where
It's because they're at this. They're magnus is like guarding the libraries of the world
Because he's saying you're not attached to this is mine and the space wolves are like they're like huddled together like american football players
Like oh, you know, they're like running together
And they're about to slam into the thousand sons, but no one's got their weapons drawn
All the space will have their shields out and essentially they have their like physical shields and the thousand sons have their um
Psychic shields and they literally slam together in a shield wall and they don't again. They're not firing at each other
They're just like essentially as a match of how much can we get away with?
It was like it was like a test of wills and so
Like all the thousand sons are just using their magics. There's not as many as them or many of them as the space
Or but the space was like just shove in and they essentially match and it's a really cool
Like it basically is a really nice imagery of like the two
You know like a historic shield walls just like clashing against each other, although definitely 40k'd up a bit
Yeah, and they're out again. They're reading books burn them. They're reading books nerd
um
Yeah, and and yeah for this reason they were a very contentious legion
They had a lot of bad blood with a lot of legions and imperial armed forces
They they were definitely like you wouldn't want to cross them
But you also wouldn't want to say anything bad about them in case they like said
Oh, what did you say and they like sharpen their axes, you know?
Uh, very scary dudes. Um, but they would also
Be extremely valuable to the imperium
They they helped out with the randas and asides where they they slew untold horrors across the deepest darkest voids of the galaxy
killing some of the most
disgusting and dangerous creatures that
Imperial records don't have any records on because to even just think about these things is probably enough to drive people mad
So they go no just just kill them just kill them. We don't need to know the details cool
That's that's another imperial agri world saved. That's good
Um, and they always served their so-called all-father did diligently
The space wolves never falter in their loyalty to the imperium even though they're regarded as barbarians
by the rest of the citizenry of humanity
They are relentless in their conquests. They've never betrayed the emperor
They never betray the imperium even in the bleakest circumstances. And that's why the route
Have a checkered past but also are
Even in the 41st millennium upheld as one of the most reliable of all the founding
legions and chapters
Because when you need something to get done
You you call the route it will get done. It won't be pretty it won't be virtuous, but it'll get done
And that's basically what they were up to during the great crusade
I love the part where uh colin's gonna really enjoy this one
Um the space wolves were like, you know, they wear lots of like the furs and cloaks and talism and things like that
they
When there's a bit in the great crusade where they fight alongside the thousand suns
and
they
Are on this planet and it's scorching hot this planet
Like even the thousand suns are using their psychic powers to like cool themselves down because it's like hot and there's even then they're struggling
But when they're marching up this mountain the space wolves next to them covered in furs and cloaks and everything are completely fine
And then like the thousand suns kind of go why are they like okay like fine?
And essentially they come to like oh, it's the gene seed something about their gene seed helps them deal with extreme
environment so even though it's basically they can they don't need to wear the furs in extreme cold
They just do it and they wear the furs in extreme heat, too
Like when you see pictures of rob zombie in a leather jacket in california at like summertime, they're like dude take the jacket off
It's obviously warm. It's okay
They're literally you don't have to look that the kid in school who wears the hoodie on the hottest day of the year like
That's their like vibe and it's i've just seen that and it's so annoying because like god like come on
Their gene seed actually is pretty like when it works, you know, they're not turning the world
It's actually probably one of the most op out of all the gene seeds in terms of like
You know, but a base space wolf is probably better than mostly other legions in terms of just a base character
If it weren't for that big old asterisk, yeah, and also the failure rate is pretty high
I think with the yeah, I mean even when like I said even when they were during the
Unification wars like most of them died
So it's like you only get maybe one in like three in ten
Become a start ease or whatever it is like or three in a hundred, but
You're gonna be good warriors
Yeah, but I thought you'd enjoy that little tidbit there colon
Yeah, I mean that's
The vibe to be to be fair. It is it is drip or drown in all cases
That's right. It's it's stupid. It's stupid. Don't get me wrong
But you know if uh if the choice if you're not in a fictional, you know, realm of the dead
In a fictional, you know realms such as this
Uh, if given the choice between uh dripped out or sensible clothing
It's no choice at all
Very true
That's the point. I don't I don't think the wolf pelts look particularly good, especially those damned helmets of theirs
Uh, oh the wolf helmets. Yeah the limit to not we're not talking about the helmets not a Viking too much wolf
Pain I know I think the the thing that gets my go with the space was when they have the shields with like the wood on the
Front side. Why would you have wood like metal shields? Like you can you can carry it. It's not going to be heavy
I'm sure there's shields
I'm sure if you look hard enough. Yeah, I was gonna say there's some passage where it's like it's not just wood. It's
That the rare adamantine tree from the
The non-existent jungle of fenris or some shit like that Odin's asshole. Yeah, it's fair enough with the white scars where they they make their their
Staffs for the stormseers with the the wood from the bark of the trees from the kumkata mountains. It's because they're wizards
Yeah, it's because they're stormseers
But like the white scars don't go around like i'm gonna carry a sword with like a blade made of bamboo shoes
Like no, it's like it wouldn't be effective. Like why would you use anything that grows?
Rather than like metal for like a sword
I don't know. It's like it wouldn't be effective. Like why would you use anything that grows rather than like metal?
Uh, it just I don't know
It's not say too much about growing you grow wraith bone and that shit's pretty pretty good
Yeah, but that's mythic. That's like adamantium or like that is
So is ceramites, you know, yeah, but but it's
No, isn't like it's basically it's fancy made up. It's not
Oh, but like plasteel and ceramite and stuff at least it's like oh it's manufactured but it's like i'm just gonna put wood on my
She was like no
I don't care. I don't care if it's like um steel bark or whatever you're gonna call it. Like it's made of trees
Maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's the greatest kept secret of the of the wolves that they're such good painters that they just paint
Their shields to look like it's made of
Uh, no, that's stupid
I don't think anything live long enough to be good artists. That's the problem
Just getting like expert painters like in the warhammer painting community there with like the shield like all right
And this is how you do the pattern and you use this with the brush strokes
So it looks like bark you see and they're like, oh I do see that's pretty cool for every like savage and you know
Executioner style space authors, you know one in every thousand is like a bob ross style for space film
It's like just gonna go just no call some zealots over there. Nice trees. Isn't there like a cool dad the trees
Isn't there a cool passage in one of the uh, horoscera books where like the salamanders work alongside, um the space wolves and
Or this one of the salamanders. He's like, oh my pauldron's damaged and he's like, oh we could like put
You're one of our brothers. We could put a wolf there instead. He's like no like
We do we do that ourselves
We do our painting by our own artificers and then by the end of the book
He's like, all right, go on and then he like scratches like a wolf head into the side and was like, oh, that's pretty cool
Sita terra fury of magnus I think it is
One of the uh space was like, you know, yeah, let me look can I carve a little you know
Now we're brothers
Can I carve a space wolf symbol onto your pauldron because they do that and can I put a little wolfie and then the salamanders
Because the salamanders legion have to they basically most of them like forge or at least they maintain their own equipment and they paint
Their own. Yeah, they venerate craftsmanship as like part of their identity
So it is like a guy saying can I just put my you know, taper banana onto a wall next to van goh essentially
It's like that like that one lady that tried to fix up like the mona lisa or some other
The jesus in the thing
Where it's like it was done with the best of intentions you are making it worse in every regard
It looked like someone but jesus was a caker and someone sat on it essentially
I don't know. I just love the idea of like the the salamanders got this pauldron of like
Immaculate dragon head design with filigree and then like underneath it's just like a stick figure wolf that the space was been like
That's an arm and some fingers. There he is. He's a happy little doggo
He was trying
He was trying to make friends like getting a kid at marcapen and a friend's house and he's like go nuts
He just thought I was drawing on the walls
Exactly. Do you think the emperor and like his golden fridge ever put up one of lehman's artworks like on the front?
He's like very good
There's that meme of like conrad kurs and the emperor's like what are you writing there conrad's like this is a list of
Oh, yeah, oh that's great cross me out and he crosses him out and it's blank and he just cries
Next episode next episode
But I believe if that's all we're going to talk about with the the fifth and the sixth legion it's it's colin's time to
To give us a fisting. Yeah, so
Could I
Could I quickly?
Dive back to the wolves just to talk a little bit about I just because I love I love lehman's original story of how he was
Found by the emperor. Oh god
It was oh, it was it's just my favorite thing ever
So, you know the emperor was being odin so he took the guise of a you know old wizened man
He shows up to lehman as he's you know, he's the king of fenris
And he's uh reveals himself and he challenges him
Uh to contest because liam's like i'm not just gonna serve you you gotta prove prove that you're worth it
Uh, so, you know the emperor, you know, he wins the first couple of challenges, you know, no sweat
He's the emperor and then they get to an eating and a drinking contest and the emperor simply cannot win
Uh because lehman is going full viking. He is too good at eating and drinking
The emperor's like what what's going on? I can't I can't win
Uh, and as lehman is laughing and gloating he just clocks him on the head and knocks lehman out
I like and then it's something along the lines of he's like, oh, you're just a fat pig who drinks and eats all day
He's like what and then he goes to like an actual like fighting trial with the emperor going like you
You're you gluttonous
Sitting in your gaming chair
All day, oh my man, you look like the toy repairer from toy story 2
Yeah, he was a cool guy
Bro, that scene where he actually repairs woody is still pretty elite, but I love that scene, but he's still an absolutely amazing
He's just like no
Uh, what a weird twist of toy story 2
There's a wall hammer crossover. Oh, wait for buzz lightyear to get his own space marine chapter
See people paint him in that style
It actually looks really good
Uh, but uh, we'll cover the star rangers or whatever they were called that chapter later
For now it is time for the legions, uh, the seventh legion the imperial fists
Uh, their primarch is of course
Rogaldorn the one and only and as a quick side note
I know some people say the fists are rather boring and I get where it comes from
But I don't know. I like them although admittedly
I like them largely because of how I play strategy games
Uh one the thing they're most famed for is
Fortifying the ever-loving like hell out of everything they go fortify fortify fortify fortify. Yeah
See see see as someone who is allergic to aggressive gameplay in a strategy game. I appreciate that
I i'm a big fan of just turdling and fortifying until no one can bother me in my little corner of the map
unfallen pilled
I love I love my trees. Eli. What can I say? My man would not make it in competitive age of empires
Nah, babies are coming to eat you alive
Not if I grow not if you get caught by pirates in your first sector
uh
To get away from endless space
Uh, the second reason I like them is that the fists they're reliable
With their gene seed, it's actually very stable. There's not really any mutations about the only thing they've lost over time
Is the betcher's gland so they can't spit acid which given that most of the time space marines have a helmet
Doesn't really matter
That would only be harmful to them to be using that like 99.9 percent of the time
And the sus and membrane among us will reveal sound effect
which
keeps them from entering like
Hibernation stasis mode whatever however you want to think it is
Uh, and even beyond that when they show up, you know what you're gonna get you're gonna get the experts in fortification
They're gonna build the best damn fortress you ever seen and they're gonna go crusade and beat the hell out of everyone around them
um, which again influenced by my strategy game, uh
likings and tactics, but I like the classic reliable you have this, you know exactly what you're gonna get and that's what the fists were they were
not the most uh
perhaps like the most
I don't know glamorous tool in the shed, but they're reliable, you know what's going on and you're gonna get good results with them
like a trowel
Yeah, and you can build a hell of a fortress with a trowel as long as you have long enough
Uh as for what they are what they what they are what they are what they were like what they were doing
early on
As with all other legions, they would uh start on terra
Uh, unlike the other ones though, uh, the fists were not really drawn from a specific location or type of terran people
They drew from terra as a whole
uh to the point that even if like say, I don't know let's say
I hive merica or whatever. They call the us like merica
In 40k is like say that's belongs mostly to one space marine legion
Fists are still gonna they're still gonna scoop a little bit under uh on the side a couple of those recruits
Even if say it that belongs to the dark angels or ultramarines or something like we uh, we're gonna we're gonna take some of these
Uh about the only commonality major commonality between the fist recruits is that they were
Uh endurance, uh focused so they're gonna they're going to see the job until it was done no matter what
And they're rather test turned in nature. Uh, is there anyone you ever watched dragon balls? Are you abridged?
Oh my god, it's been a whole minute
Do you know the joke about tian? Although I was like I can never read that guy
I don't know
That's I don't know that's what when I was reading that's the image I got in my head for the fists
So they're like very taciturn stern go about their job and that's about it
That's that's the image you got in my head for them. They're permanently squinting
I don't know why it's such a clean east wood. Oh, they built clinton for a second. He's like oh I need to do some
I built some formications. I don't know what
I don't I didn't draw that connection
The reason for them being taken from like all across the planet isn't completely known
But the process of implanting their gene seed was apparently incredibly painful and just inflicted great suffering on
You know the implante
So it could have been a way of just hedging their bets as it were so it's like listen
A lot of you are going to die going through this. So if we just take everyone we can
Someone won't die at least a couple of you aren't going to die from this horribly invasive procedure
A bit more poetic example
Reason could be you know their terrors legion they draw from all across terra
If you'd like to be a bit more poetic about it a bit more reasonable is that yeah
Just killed so many people they got to take what they can get
They went across terra and as all the space marine legions well not all of them but many of them
Did uh had some great victories under their belt
The when I was reading something that was briefly mentioned a single sentence was the battle for the crystal sea the imperial fists won
Which couldn't find any detail on it beyond the name, but hey, it sounds really cool
So whatever you might imagine that is the imperial fists got a dub there
And they even fought in the himalayans themselves around the capital of the emperor's realm
Or the himalayas as they call them in 40k for some reason
I just realized you said crystal sea there's no more oceans left on terra. So where the hell was that?
I'm guessing maybe it was some
Psycher thing it's one of those 40k lore things like damn that sounds cool
I wish it was more than just a sentence
I need a cool name something uh checks list
Something just discount names or something
And uh the the one that I took biggest note from was in the himalayas where they fought against a group of psykers
It took some pretty heavy losses
But proved victorious which is a testament to their endurance they I mean they fought against
Magicians and the imperial fists are fortifiers and crusaders not
Really known for their uh
Labyrinths and whatnot and they still prove they're still proved victorious despite the uh the onslaught of evil wizards, so
they're uh
They're very good at what they do
And frequently they would employ themselves at many times the strength of like
You know the average chapter and I know their legions, but chapters were still groups during the legions
It was just like a subgroup of a legion
They would deploy themselves a many time not quite full strength but close to it
To make sure that whatever they're fighting it's gone. It's not going to be a problem for long
Just completely crush them and they did uh they did sure enough set up many fortresses across terra
But unlike what you might think they did not man them for very long because something people forget about the imperial fists
Especially compared to their 40k incarnation. They were crusaders
They didn't just sit behind their walls
They built they built them made sure they were garrisoned and then went out to the next conquest
Because the fortresses were as much a fortress as they were a message. It was this great looming thing
Stowering over the people they recently conquered as a message of hey
We're going to come back if you do not if you don't behave
so the imperial fists were perhaps not as good as you know lorgar her gilliman and
Like things like diplomacy and making sure people get the uh
Brought over to their side, but if push comes to shove they can uh they can they can make a good threat when they really need to
And the castle's a damn good threat if I say so myself
Oh, pardon me
And their name even comes from their actions here with the
Fortress and whatnot people said it was a as if the emperor descended upon the land and clamped it with an unbreakable fists
Which is where he gave them their name the imperial fists
And I do have to say that imperial fists does sound cooler than the unbreakable fists
I don't know. How do you guys feel about that?
Just flows off the tongue a little bit better. I feel like sounds like a monk subclass in dnd or something
Yeah, it's like it flows off the tongue a bit better imperial fists. I feel like now
I know the story behind it does sound better, but when it first hits you like imperial fist doesn't really
I mean black templars hit a little bit harder than just imperial fist
But now that I kind of know how it originates it sounds a little bit like oh
little more hardcore
That's fair
I do also like the uh, there's like a bit. I remember reading a while back about during the unification wars
There they were said that the imperial fist bodies were part of like the foundations of the fortifications
They built so like when someone would fall they would build around their like body and it's like we are in the walls
We're literally in the walls. That's how fortify we are and it blesses our buildings
Sacrifice oh, they're pretty hardcore
And that's even fitting because a lot of times they were called the bedrock of the imperium considered as such as it were
Very fitting who are fortifying the like button whilst listening to this
A chance they fortify the light button to fair in any any opportunity is needed
Fortify the like button and lay siege to the subscribe button. They see the subscribe button doing
When the emperor gave them the name imperial fists
They accepted it in a manner very fitting to themselves
Silently with little to say in the manner and they're like, thank you biggie for the name. We're gonna go off and shoot someone again
And now the fists are off. Terra is largely conquered
And uh, it's time to do what that issue of the primarchs who again
Theirs as with all except one of the others alpharius, I guess was hiding in a cabinet somewhere on terra the whole time
Uh, and then the other one
Alpharius, I guess was hiding in a cabinet somewhere on terra the whole time
Uh, they had to go get him back after they were stolen away by the chaos gods and or their mother who thought biggie was a bit of a dickhead
Depending on whether or not you want to acknowledge urda
Uh, and so the great crusade for the fists had the same objectives as most of the other legions conquered the galaxy for humanity
and find their primarch
and they set about
And I believe it was if you do please correct me on this but after several decades they found roguldorn on
Inuit he was the seventh primarch found
Which a seventh primarch for the seventh legion
And they found him
Along with you know, the emperor and whatnot. He came to go find his kid
And what would soon become their fortress monastery and almost their second home world
The massive dark age station known as the phalanx was given to the fists and roguldorn
So they're coming together pretty swiftly as we know them
Uh from 40k, they've got the phalanx their terrors legion
They uh, I feel like more than a couple of the others kind of took shape into what they would become in 40k
quicker than a lot of the other legions
Uh, not quite the same but
But for the uh audio listeners, can you describe slightly what the phalanx looks like? There's card to
You've seen it in like battle fleet gothic if you know what I mean
Yeah, it's
Massive doesn't even begin to cover it
It is this unbelievably gargantuan space station from like I said the dark age of technology when stuff was just just straight up better
so it had the
Best equipment the best guns the best shields the best armor plating the best of anything you could possibly want on a space station
And it's basically so big that I believe even when they were a legion
Just the astartes wouldn't be able to man all of it because I again I cannot understate enough
How damn big the phalanx is it is it looks like a
like a cross
Church, doesn't it sort of design but then it's a little bit death starry in terms of that's that's
Yeah, by 40k like when it makes its appearance in battle fleet gothic
It's like it's a massive like round big space station with cathedrals on it. I just don't wonder
I think I've once described it to a friend of mine is imagine the holy roman empire as a ship just put the entire
Pretty good way of putting that combine it stick it together and it's floating in space and it's got big spires
And it's got more guns and more docking ports than anything. It's the biggest ship ever and it's pretty cool
Look look at a map of germany in the middle ages and then just put it in the sky
Now imagine some hapsburg chin looking mother
Robin is you know inbred chin and being like that looks like a nice spaceship you got there, you know
I mean, they say that roguel dorn's continued survival confused the imperium at large
I love that bit about charles 2 of spain his uncle was his
Cousin was his dad. I I we do not have time to get into habsburg genetics. You need a phd to figure that out
Well, it's not really a tree. It's more of a circle, but uh, yeah, it's a family christmas wreath
Uh, but hey, they found their prime arc, uh, and it's about to
Scale up on operations because I believe it was I've read for 16 decades roguel dorn led the imperial fists
Which in case that slips by you
That's 160 years of the galaxy getting a good fist in uh from roguel dorn and his children
Uh
Hey yo
That was a hell of a sentence. Yep
so he uh, he accepted his legion he came about took charge and it was time to
Do what the fists were known for galaxy wide
Uh his their reputation as the stalwart defenders and crusaders of mankind would
Only get out or only blow up from here
Uh, something I really took note. Uh, I really found interesting was that a horse himself
Uh at one point was know that saying if he ever had to attack the imperial fists like in a war
He would not win
Uh, he would say that the fists were simply so good at fortifying defending locations that it would be a never-ending stalemate
Uh something along the lines of the masters of defense versus the master of like shock attacks and it would just be a stalemate
Yeah, it would it would be an endless meat grinder for eternity
Uh, and of course something
I feel I should remind people that in the defensive war a tie is a victory for the defender
Which essentially means horse could not win. He would not achieve victory. He would lose
Uh, because the defender just has to sit behind the walls and wait for the attacker to die or go away
So as far as i'm concerned, that means roguel dorn would be able to beat horse if push came to shove
Uh do with that what you will that's just that one is a bit more of me saying that but horse saying I could not beat him
That is canon like andy said the masters of defense versus the masters of offense and shock assault
Uh a further note is that despite this reputation they have for being just stalwart and reliable in their conquests
they weren't
Like they weren't brain dead. It wasn't like it's like i'm going to build a siege and if the siege doesn't turn out it's like well
Guess we're done here call another legion
It's like no they were not completely immune to you know flashes of inspiration like wait
We should actually do this. This would be a much better plan
Which in my mind is what really differentiated them from the ultramarines who they're also renowned for being quite disciplined to be able to follow
battle plans to the letter
uh
The way I think of it is for example, you know the ultramarines they're probably going to be able to execute a battle plan better than the fists ever could
But when something comes up that the ultramarines do not have a plan for
Maybe they've not lost the war but they're definitely going to lose that battle
Uh, it's not going as the simulation said
So the ultramarines are going to lose or it's the fists
maybe uh
It'll hurt but they they could have one trick up their sleeve to attain victory
They might pull something out of the out of their sleeves be like hey, I can uh, I can do this
What's up? I mean there there is an interesting parallel with that example like you got alexis polex who was a captain
Who during the horus heresy was extremely good at naval warfare?
Uh, he was somewhat mentored by his predecessor to be like, oh he's unconventional, but he's got a good idea
Whereas the ultramarines aeonid fiel was being marked for censure for thinking outside the box and in a similar instance
he only helped the ultramarines survive that encounter by breaking the rules and
Doing his own thing and they were both very much in a similar rank in a similar position and a similar environment
uh
The methodology changed, you know, alexis polex dies off screen
I know
We're not there yet, don't worry that's a bit of a spoiler there's also it's not a spoiler though because it's not in the book
There's a good comparison with the ultramarines here as well where the imperial fist as well as the ultramarines had a section
of the legion that was filled with
uh, I guess
members who didn't really necessarily fit the overall legion culture, so
the example in the imperial fist ones would be the soldiers who would eventually become
Like the black templars which are like the ones like sigismund which uh, yeah
They're essentially the really the ones who are not like they were they're okay defending
But they were there's a section of the imperial fist like i'm definitely okay with going on the offensive here and a bit more
Kind of like dawn's attack dogs if you know
Yeah, and that matches up with like the reputation they're getting they're not just defenders. They're crusaders. They go out and conquer
especially like they said the sigismund and the templar brethren
uh thinking the imperial fists are only good at like shooting and hunkering behind walls is uh
Was probably the last thought of many a planet who thought they could take them before sigismund
tore ass through their front line and shoved a power sword into their head
It's also crazy that they had I think the imperial fist despite having what would be like the most
generic
Generic slash safest gene seed in terms of like other legions had specialties and like boosts
That they got like each warrior got from their gene seed the imperial fist didn't have that but yet they produced some of the best
warriors in terms of
actual combat like even that
Sigismund is literally considered the best space marine who's ever lived in terms of combat. He was literally
undefeatable and he killed pretty much
every one year
And they have the coolest excessive chapters
They do
Unfortunately, uh, you don't think the nova marines are cool
Okay
I was trying to make a joke about the bargain brand ultramarines and I said the wrong good old gemisys good old raspberries gotta love them
Also, everyone is racist and 40k. That's not a standout
Yeah
It's all right we hate zenos here, all right
I love jeans. You're about to do
Yeah
And yeah, I hate zenos, which is everyone other than necrons
That's fair necrons are more like, you know, like appliances they're like like a laptop so like a toaster
Hey
You will suffer a celestial or are you to the face for such comments
Uh, but yeah the fist they
They were like the whole point of what I was going to they were they're not a one-trick pony. They can fight perfectly fine
Uh, something else fitting is uh, some roguel dorn even was criticizing alpharius for
He's not unaware of other methods of war than you know fortress building in a crusading assault
Pardon me
Uh at one point he chews out alpharius for using just horrible tactics
but he does it by alpharius his own standards like because alpharius had just
basically killed an entire
noble population of a planet at once
And roguel dorn instead of being like, oh you should have bunkered behind a wall and laid siege
He was like listen by your own metrics you messed up because there were infinitely more effective like
Surgical strikes and tactics you could have done to get this done
But you chose to go for the shock value of like gonna kill everyone at once
Which maybe yeah it worked but it was the most inefficient costly unnecessarily brutal way you could have gone about it
So it's not that he doesn't understand like he yeah, he's a living brick wall roguel dorn
But I think it's fair to say he's choosing to specialize in what he knows best
Rather than just being unable to do other methods of warfare. I think also ethically he says
Because that's a really good scene with alpharius
I think he also states that the reason he chooses to fight the way he does in the imperial fists do
was because
Whoever they fight they choose to fight their warriors their soldiers
So they don't kill like innocents and things like that. They essentially they're you know, they literally are two
Empires clashing and warriors fighting each other. So they're they're fighting people willing to step up and actually take the role of being a soldier
Not people who were not involved in that, you know, what we know in a dishonorable way
So they even though maybe more people would die
But there are people who are willing to actually
You know, I mean like put their life on the line rather than people who didn't want to be involved
Mm-hmm
Yeah, they were
And the roguelone was definitely one of the
more morally upstanding of the primarchs, uh
granted not not the hardest bar to pass, uh for what that's worth, but he
usually did not uh
Just blow his way into civilian compounds as a way to achieve victory because it'd be quicker
Like you said he fought warriors of other empires. He wasn't
Going to you know a refugee center and blowing it to hell because it was more efficient than not
Uh and
Where was I?
Ah, pardon me. Uh, I would say it also I also think it makes sense that he knows about all the other methods of war
Because if you want to build a fortress
It's more than just four walls in a square and then you're done. You got to know weak points
You don't know how the enemy could get in methods of keeping it supplied
I think it makes sense that roguelone isn't just alt siege or fortify fortify fortify. He's got
He's got more to him than just that
He just chooses to specialize in fortifications and whatnot
Uh as for a bit more on the chris the christs the imperial fists and their crusading the chris
Chris have you ever met my friend imperial chris imperial chris any one dude
It's he's one of the he's one of the lesser known captains of the fists the imperial chris
Why is it the name chris makes no sense in a walhamer setting? There's no one called chris in walhamer
I swear
You get chris tofs, but not chris
Is just chris i've had jordan like how jarring that would be like horus abaddon chris
chris ezekiel
We'd never get like I mean no you you get elijanus, but you wouldn't get a colin and your house. I say yeah
It wouldn't happen
the colmarine
Colin would just I don't know what legion that would go in though
smurfs
Put me in the blueberries
Colin or alias
That ain't too bad
uh, but
As for how he led his legion and how they would act doran was uh, not the kind of guy to push his legion
In places he wouldn't go
He demanded perfection and like not not in the way fulgrum did but he demanded they give it their all and do it
Right, but that's because he demanded that of himself and he wasn't uh, he wasn't putting additional expectations on to his sons
As I think the best way to put it he wasn't asking them anything more than he asked himself
Uh, he did ask them to give everything they had but he was right there alongside with them, uh giving them their all
um and
He was also a bit of an idealist. He firmly believed in the emperor's vision
He thought this was generally the best way to go for humanity
So he wasn't just crusading for the sake of war and bloodshed and conquest. He generally was like
This is what we need to do to create the safest best future for humanity
Uh granted this was not always seen
Uh, especially his attitude towards his brothers because he was if he had any major flaw
It was his complete and utter lack of people skills
Uh, he did not know how to talk to his brothers
I believe he probably he did wanted to know or he didn't know what he wanted to say
He could not get it out. He did not have horuses or sinquinius's or you know, gillamins charisma
Uh, he was a living brick wall. I think all the imperial frists were very much just
Uh, like they're they're perfect soldiers not exactly more than that at this point
Although I think that one day, you know the after the great crusade and dawn's uh, ideal world
And they also follow their their dad's example to a t because again dawn was like, oh he had no ambitions to become a war master
He was just like i'm just going to do what the emperor says i'm going to do compliances
Is job done enough said and his sons were like yes. Yes father. That is very good. Yes. I will do the same
glory to the imperium
Yeah, and it's like
It's one it's probably his biggest like foil to perturabo. You know the the traitorous siege and that kind of warfare expert
You know perturabo wanted more credit and glory and stuff
He wanted better jobs than just grinding through the muck. Whereas
I'm willing to bet that if like the emperor came down to rogaldor in the fist and was like hey
I need you for the next 10 years
You just you just got to be a janitor. You just got to clean space stations for 10 years
They'd be like well, yeah, this is what the emperor needs and uh, that is the end of the argument
I don't know if you're going to mention it as well, but um, even when whore when war
When horus was appointed as war master
He basically was he would counsel with rogaldorn specifically because he was like I can trust rogall to like
figure out where my weaknesses are and he's a great advisor because he's not going to try and like
Sugar my my authority. He's not going to detract. He's just going to go this could improve that could improve
That's good. And he'll just leave it as it is. Like that's that's pretty and again. He was very supportive
He was like, yes, you are a good war master. I'll do do my bit
Until it all went wrong
And sure enough that was pretty much his reaction when horus was uh crowned as the war master between the fists and
Rogaldor and there wasn't any like vying like damn I should have got that or it wasn't like yeah
Horus is the best guy for the job. He's like well the emperor made it so
That is the end of the discussion as far as I care. Horus is war master
I'm gonna keep doing my job and help him out when he requires it. Can I also mention an interesting tidbit about the actual
Legion that of course as we met as colin mentioned earlier, they kind of drew from everywhere on terror
they actually
interesting enough continued this practice into the great crusade where
they would draw even though
Rogaldor was found on the planet of Inuit and many legionaries were drawn from there such as
Big crimson fist boy Alexis Pollock
They actually would draw from many other worlds throughout the
Entire imperium such worlds they conquered so they would famously have legionaries from necromunda, which is essentially
Almost like a gang hive world, which is scum planet. Yeah, there's like a game
game mode in warhammer, which is just set in necromunda as a tabletop game and
So the the imperials would draw from many different worlds. So the actual makeup of the legions like
general culture
was pretty like
It was his own thing rather than it was like the white scars we said earlier
Well, they kind of like oh it's basically chagorias or the space was a basically fenris. This was
No, no, it's the imperial fist like their own thing
You know like a knightly order sort of style. Yeah, and it's uh, it kind of reflects in how they would the way they would
Administer worlds in a way because they essentially
Didn't for lack of a better word. So when they conquered a world, you know
They would do as they did on terra set up grand fortresses and make sure they had garrisons and whatnot
And they would occasionally like recruit from it like I think there was one and since I read where they took
half of an under hives
Like male population
To try out for fist recruitment, which I think was one of those things
I don't think gw realized just how many people were going to become fist with that because they should have been the largest legion by
A long shot with half of an under hives worth of people even if like 90 of them die and wash out
That's still a lot of people like billions
but
Beyond that once they set up fortresses and took like the one-time manpower boost they had
They would leave because again crusaders
That's something I really want to emphasize because people you know, they give the imperial fist they sit behind a wall and wait
They were especially in the 30th millennium. They were crusaders
They went out and conquered and they didn't really claim anything as strictly speaking like imperial fist territory
like other legions when they would uh
You know conquer it. They'd be like this is my planet to get tides from for space marines
It belongs to the imperium, but it also belongs to me my legion the imperial fists were like
Give me the recruits. I need to make up for the losses in the campaign
Uh, you belong to the imperium. We're off. Don't rebel or we're gonna be back
I do also like that they when they do recruitment
They're not stuck up about who they recruit. They're like if you're an under hive ganger you can join
It's like if you have the grit and determination you can be an imperial fist and they have like a
Long history of they take the gutter trash and they make them into noble
Astartes and that's like a big thing for them was like
You're you're more than you think you are. So we're gonna make you the best. It's not gonna be pretty
It's gonna take a lot of work. It's gonna take a lot of discipline, but we'll make you into an astartes
And I think that's quite cool about them as well
Yeah, they were uh, they
They were definitely not stuck up about their recruiting practices
They took who they felt was the best be it an under hive ganger like you said
The if a noble really wanted to be a fist they'd probably let him in too if uh, if he could
stick it out
And then they were on to the next crusade for 160 years this continued on building these fortresses moving on
and
Just expanding the emperor's realm because again, they felt across the legion from dorne to the average grunt
They were idealists. They felt this was the best
Future they were making for humanity
There's even a quote roegl dorne said himself that kind of reflects this that he wants recruits not vassals
It's part of why he doesn't like
Create an imperial fists mini empire within the imperium itself. He's like I want recruits
I don't want a nation of serfs and slaves
Skill issue on roegl dorne's part
Oh, please what's the difference you're still a serf for the imperium now, it's just the fists don't get to benefit
sure
although
Along this I do have a quote I felt
Quite fitting that i'll bring up in a moment. Uh one crucial trait of dorne's that would spread throughout his legion
Is that he viewed pain as a cleansing tool?
I know it's a frequently, you know portrayed in a joking manner, especially think of it like in tts the pain glove
Where it feels like your body is submerged in like liquid fire and napalm and it's just incredibly pain and torturous
This would uh when they got roegl dorne back. This would spread something else throughout imperial fist culture that
Pain isn't just you know, ouch that hurts. It's a method of cleansing the body of weakness
God, they really do take it seriously don't they the flagellation?
Yeah, which uh
Do not take that to heart for the real world. These are imperial fist crusaders for the love of god
That's not how it works in reality
Uh, no, well, I mean unless you're a real person
I mean unless you're working out no pain no gain then but otherwise do not be like the fists in this regard
Uh, and uh, I have a quote
Hal you uh
I'm ready if you want me to read it
Indeed
Uh, yeah, it was hal and elia read the last yeah hal a quote for in general you wouldn't mind from roegli dorne himself
roeglius adonius
Do not look at the world
Do not look to us for kindness do not look to us for hope
We are not the kind children of this new age. We are the rocks of his foundation
If you wish hope then look to what we make
If you wish kindness then look to those who will come after us
Yeah, so
What's up? It's all very future future building future focus indeed
And that was another thing along with roegli dorne's idealism and like you're saying like they're the perfect soldiers. Like you said hal they're
They're here now to do what the emperor needs them to do. They know that in the future, you know
If things worked out well for the great crusade in the future, there would eventually be no more wars and whatnot
But as far as they were concerned, that's that's putting the cart before the horse for now
Don't look to the imperial fist to be nice and kind and everyone
They were the emperor's crusaders and his militant arm to spread across the galaxy
Maybe the ultramarines and you know the white scars they can do things like you know practice bureaucracy and you know calligraphy and all that noble stuff
That's not what the fists are here for right now. The emperor needs soldiers and that's what the fists are nothing more nothing less
Which I think very cool and something the fists don't get credit for too often
Because people think boring fortify guys and that's the end of it
And of note
The emperor clearly agrees with me in some regard
Because they were the legion chosen to fight alongside the emperor more than any other and he bestowed bestowed
More honors upon them than any other himself
So the you know, the imperial fist did not get the most compliances in the galaxy
Military or diplomatic that was you know, Horace and Gilliman with the most
military and diplomatic
Conquest respectively
But the imperial fists got more direct honors from the emperor than any other and they were in many ways his legion
ignoring, of course the custodians
And as the great crusade was nearing its end
Not an end foreseen by anyone except maybe the emperor granted but
Nearing its end nonetheless the emperor returned home to terra to work on a project known only to a select few
And of course none of his children because that would be too much the webway project
Which i'm just going to say right now feel free to yell at me andy a completely futile endeavor to get into the eldar webway
And claim it for humanity
I don't think that would have ever worked out in the best case scenario
But isn't the logic that chaos can't
He has to
They have to win slash get all of humanity under the emperor's back
Because if they bring humanity into the webway the chaos of gods can't
Use humanity to corrupt the universe that was that was the logic
I think the emperor was perhaps discounting the horrible gribblies that live in the webway
Gribblies that's a good word. No, that's the dark elder of gribblies. I was it is
I think every character who knows that like the the full final plan just says it's utter hubris
But he just says I know but like there's just the other options
Is basically death like we every other yeah, okay, what's your plan?
Every other timeline
The other other the other option would have been teaching people about the dangers of chaos and warning them not to listen to the voices in the dark
Yeah, interesting
Yeah, why would I do that? Let's just dig a hole into the
Eldritch tunnel of horrible beings in its side of it. This can't fit
I don't know something as simple even in our modern day you tell people like don't lick
You know, I see like poles outside. So your tongue doesn't stick to it
And you know what people still do it because you can't you can't but they'll just go
Goofy because it's funny. I think there's a difference between licking a frozen pole in winter and
Damning yourself for all eternity
He was good enough for error, but he was like right. I'm why not? I'm gonna be silly
I'm gonna do the chaos thing sounds fun. I'm just saying uh half of the empire of man never turned on sigma
Worked a lot better for him. Nice. That's right shiny gold
He did have a shiny goat maybe that was the issue the emperor didn't have a warhammer 40 000 cringe
but
Moving on the the fists alongside
Their Primarch would along with the emperor return to the throne
Their Primarch would along with the emperor return to terra
As they were his legion and they would become its praetorians of terra the home of humanity
And
Not only would this exist throughout the rest of the great crusade the horus aorist he bit well into the 41st millennia
Even after you know, the leadens were broken up 10 000 years past the fists
Have ever stalwartly remained on terra
Uh from the end of the great crusade to the modern timeline and the last uh major thing of note they did before
Everything goes horribly wrong
Was they were begin forifying terra as of course its praetorians and rogadorn being the siege expert or the fortification expert
He is they would create it into not only mankind's capital world, but the ultimate fortress in the galaxy
And one of the most well defended places
Is in all of the 41st or 30th at this time 30th to the 41st 42nd millennium
uh invading terra
Is basically a protracted form of suicide for anyone who might try it
And that was the imperial fists throughout the great crusade
Uh, any any questions anything to add anyone?
I just enjoy the fact that sigismund is still the best by far
All the space ring and he's just completely ordinary
Although I do I do like his um his appearance in the rogadorn primarch book where he's like a kind of budding
Templar and he's not the first and he's like still learning the ropes and there's a duel between a dark angel champion and the
Templar in charge and the templar losers and he's like oh you could have done this with this and just like the younger sigismund
And even his own book where it's like he's a he's being attacked by gangs on terra. I think it is and
And I like this. I don't know if it's like the the the like
Like bar of like metallic whatever it is
He has is then forged into the black sword or if it's just a parallel but like he has this like chunk of something
He just like hits them with it and they're like is that is that part of it? I don't know. He's a cool character
anyway
I think the imperial fist lost a lot of coolness after the horse heresy, which is probably why everyone thinks they're boring
Yeah, because all their personality went into the successor chapters. That's what they uh, that's that's when all the
Like the crusading elements got put in the black templars and whatnot
pain, I mean
Coulund was pretty cool during the war of the beast and then it was like oh the chapter's extinct and then all the
Successors have to be like, oh I put some in
Attribute some of your members to rebuild the chapter go on maybe that's maybe that's what ultimately turned them into
Fortification experts and that was it when 99 999 out of a thousand of them died
Yeah, you shout out to the beast truly morbidly a beast
With uh with those that
amazing closing statement though
uh, that was the
fifth sixth and seventh legion
Uh, the next time we do a timeline episode, we'll obviously be doing the eighth ninth and tenth
Uh be I think that's night lord blood angels and iron hands, which will be a good episode
Nice varied one nice little uh a bit of culture slash legion
love there
Uh, but that's not the next episode of the beginner to expert next time we will be
Doing I think it is necrons if i'm not wrong. Yeah
Yeah, hosted by eli eli gets to talk about necrons for hours and you guys have to sit there
losers of the war in heaven
Hey, what do you think?
Losers of the war in heaven. We won that what are you talking about?
Uh, what happened who ruled the galaxy for 65 million years and then uh, who rules it now?
The imperium the imperium. Okay. The big question is who's gonna die out first?
Yeah
The necrons already died out their soulless robots. So easy clap. Hey, we won the war in heaven that which is dead may never die
Yeah, people people who say the necrons won the war in heaven are the same as the people who say yeah
America won vietnam
Went afterwards what happened we won the actual war in heaven
It deserved it
The the the 41st millennium is a post-heaven society. We need to just put all our faith in the imperium and the omni-sci
Because we're in a post-heaven
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