1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Sitting in your gaming chair 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,860 My man, you know the toy repairer from Toy Story 2 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:20,000 Right that scene where you actually repairs Woody is still pretty elite but I love that see he's still 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,000 It's just like new 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:29,760 Oh, what a weird twist of Toy Story 2 slash Warhammer crossover 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,120 Far away for Buzz Lightyear to get his own Space Marine chapter 7 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:35,880 See people paint him in that style 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:36,880 Oh yeah, I see that 9 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:54,880 It actually looks really good 10 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,680 Hello everyone and welcome to the next episode of the beginner to expert podcast 11 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:09,080 We are continuing our journey with the great crusade slash following the glorious legions of the Emperor 12 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:15,720 And he's a big fan of Imperial stuff. So this is his bread and butter. I like them. They're good Colin 13 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:21,940 Not so much. He's an Eldar fan, but he's he's willing to represent some some Imperial fists 14 00:01:21,940 --> 00:01:23,940 I think at some point indeed 15 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,160 Fist fist are cool. I like the fist. He likes the fists 16 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,240 Quote everyone has to remember he said that feel free. I've said far worse 17 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,160 True, but before we get into the episode 18 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:43,640 We will start with our question of the week and that was on our previous episode on negash 19 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:51,160 And this was with the hashtag such is the power of and we'll be honest these answers were good 20 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,480 We appreciate all of them very much 21 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:59,680 So quite a big representation of a one a fancy in this one particularly but we'll get straight on into it 22 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,680 I know Collins itching to hear some of these answers particularly the fancy ones 23 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,280 the first one was 24 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,120 the first ones from 25 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:15,020 rarest Pepe three eight one fifteen good name nice such is the power of I would resurrect 26 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:22,600 Felix and I would do so by telling gotrick that negash has his soul and then just sit back and wait 27 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,600 I 28 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,880 Answer it's a pretty strong answer to be honest 29 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,720 Dirty bro Felix got done so dirty 30 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:37,560 Do you think Felix should be brought back Colin or do you think you don't want to ruin him anymore? I want 31 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,560 to say my guy 32 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,960 If he was a stormcast gotrick realizes he would have no memory of 33 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,280 Himself and would functionally not be Felix 34 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:51,480 although gotrick can heal memories just by being around people because 35 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,840 He's so tough. He beats the amnesia out of them or something 36 00:02:54,840 --> 00:03:00,600 I don't remember a good story though like oh he comes back as a stormcast and there's like some tension because it's like ah 37 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,920 Um, you do know me, but you don't know that but 38 00:03:04,920 --> 00:03:06,920 Come join me on some adventures 39 00:03:06,920 --> 00:03:09,400 He killed that big thing and he's like no 40 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,840 Felix is asking who this random dwarf is and gotrick is holding back tears. Oh 41 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,000 You don't make it that emotional Christ 42 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,520 It would be I would feel that emotional moving on because we because pain 43 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,400 Such hashtag such is the power of 44 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:29,800 Scarce Nick that he was actually forgotten by the end times writers 45 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Oh, but he snuck past them in law bring him back to AOS as a guerrilla warfare expert 46 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,520 Who snuck through the scaven dimensional tunnel thing? 47 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,760 I found his way back to his green-skinned buddies make him snows 48 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:48,040 Make him so sneaky that he snuck past the end of the world. I mean, that's a big call out 49 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:53,240 I don't have to be pretty cool. He's not wrong. The writers admitted they just forgot about him 50 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:56,760 It was like oops, geez 51 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Do you not know who explained to Andy who's scarce Nick is? I don't know Jan. Do you know who's scarce? 52 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:08,680 No, I just made who the commenter was. Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot their name. That was read by at lunch meat 53 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,480 Okay, good name. Thank you at lunch meat 54 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:13,880 Okay 55 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,600 Scarce Nick is goblin sun Tzu because the goblins are allowed to be 56 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,960 infinitely more important in fantasy than the gods 57 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,520 I misheard that I thought you meant he was goblin sun Tzu 58 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:34,280 What and I was like, oh as in a goblin. Oh, he did not do very different meanings for a moment there 59 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:39,560 At least I don't think he ate sun Tzu. Maybe that's a white dwarf. I forgot to read 60 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,120 I got the wrong edition of art of war Christ 61 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,640 The ending doesn't seem to match the rest of the book 62 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,080 The next one which is by at 63 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,320 Marco 64 00:04:51,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Marco polder law. Sorry, bro. If I mess that up hashtag such is the power of I would resurrect ferris manas after all the dramatic 65 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,520 Returns of 40k characters. It will be nice for absolutely nothing 66 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,240 to happen 67 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Oh 68 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:14,840 Poor Morgan 69 00:05:14,840 --> 00:05:16,860 Come on, we were talking about the iron hands 70 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,040 And how what me and how like them 71 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:26,520 I was being trolled the guy literally said for her as much as he'd come back and then no one would care. That's so 72 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,520 I mean 73 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:37,320 It doesn't mind me though of like that that comment of what was it um corvus core acts are so good at being invisible people 74 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Don't even remember him in the setting like oh him ferris 75 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,760 Like the two where you're like, oh, yeah, like they're somewhere at least ferris. He did your 76 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,800 Corvus he has the invisible joke 77 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:54,280 No, I was at least corvus he could make the funny invisible joke. What joke can he make for ferris? 78 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:56,280 Is 79 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Did someone not um 80 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,560 I swear did someone send a picture like they had the new first man. Oh, yeah 81 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Missing his head discord cut the head off and like filled in i'm like very clever guys 82 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,400 Very well done, but I can't approve of this 83 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,840 God literally comes back as a headless chicken essentially 84 00:06:20,840 --> 00:06:23,880 Well, I actually like ferris and I think he's cool 85 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Shut up, nerd. Well, though 86 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,120 I love with the actual un uncut head off artwork the the comment 87 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,720 I saw something along the lines of like he looks like a rugby player called shane 88 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:43,480 It makes you sound douchey like you just know yeah, but the way his expression is it looks like that 89 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,040 Shout out to all of my shanes 90 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,840 Shout out to shane listening to this with his family 91 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:51,480 Uh, and he's like not expecting a call out 92 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,340 Hashtag shane. Thank you watching. Uh shane and the last one was by dominic jackman 93 00:06:57,940 --> 00:06:59,700 2529 94 00:06:59,700 --> 00:07:06,280 Hashtag such is the power of I would resurrect carl franz, but instead of making him into a storm cast 95 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,720 I would have nagash keep him as a thrall champion because he just ruins everything he touches 96 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,280 But but on and off that one. Look all right 97 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,760 I don't know about that one. No 98 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,040 Very much. Yeah, I mean the first half but 99 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,580 He's he's too good for nagash. It's definitely an opinion though. It's controversial 100 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:31,240 Uh, especially as carl franz does not deserve to be kept by nagash by any means 101 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:37,800 Uh, that would be I think people would actually riot if that even happened. He's he's a celestin prime, but bro, i'm not coping 102 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,960 It's more like nagash would get pissed off with his perfect jawline as well 103 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,040 Be like i'm not having that around me people are gonna go. Oh, he's got a better jawline than you nagash 104 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,080 He's like, yeah, and you're just a skeleton. You're all jawline 105 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:52,040 Exactly. You can imagine in the middle of the battle 106 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:58,920 He just like nagash's hordes are just throwing themselves at the storm cast and he just hit randomly hears summon the electrocounsel 107 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,920 It's like 108 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:07,320 Anymore I was like I swear i've heard that before and it's just like did you like the guy next like did you say that like 109 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,320 what 110 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Gets his head cut off 111 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,600 I mean it doesn't need exactly the ferris treatment. Does he 112 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,600 The ryklund rune fang 113 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,640 Uh, but having said that though 114 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Uh, thank you so much for your answers. We really appreciate them a lot of them are, uh 115 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,080 Particularly on point particularly the fancy ones we do wish you know 116 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:35,560 Maybe when we're all uh grandparents or you know grandad age or whatever. We'll hopefully have one more fantasy back 117 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,120 I think you're forgetting to shout out a very special answer someone gay 118 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:45,240 Oh, is it because the one I I wrote an answer which I said I would like uh, call fans 119 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,800 Oh, no, go ahead. I thought you meant uh, wasn't there one who? 120 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:54,840 Just listed off all of oh, yes before we before we forget 121 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Uh, unfortunately, you couldn't include it in this one because it would take too long to read 122 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:05,320 But someone did mention that we wanted to bring back cetera and they listed every single one of his titles 123 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,080 Um, i'm not joking check the comments on the nagash video 124 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,200 Uh, we shout to you brother. We deeply appreciate that one 125 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:19,320 But when you hit show more and then it's a three essay or three page essay, you know, you found the right comment 126 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:26,040 That's uh, it was another comment that was something along the lines of like oh for 10k subs 127 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:32,200 You should have colin read out the entirety of all of setra's names in an asmr voice. I'll do that in my stream 128 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,960 I think people would people would enjoy that for a total of three seconds and 129 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,640 And then immediately shut off too bad. I'd keep going 130 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,120 I don't know colin's got that video on his channel. There's just summon the elector council 131 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,920 What like 10 hours or whatever it is? I also have a video where I just read off all of his titles 132 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,520 And I remember the day when horror shat himself as well 133 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,000 Favorite comment i've got on any video 134 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,280 Well with that being said though, uh, we do have another question for this week, which is 135 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,380 Uh a little bit more primark focus. This is hashtag lost primark 136 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,680 And we're looking for some funny funny answers on this one 137 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:19,000 Uh, what is the name of the lost primark and why was he censured from imperial records? 138 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,720 Hashtag lost primark example could be he was 139 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:30,840 You know steve buchemi and he was uh censured for imperial records and we said earlier for being a reddit user. Um 140 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,880 That's not don't no one steal that answer. That's mine 141 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,680 Uh, but that's just a small example 142 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:43,960 And with that being said though, uh today we'll be continuing with our episode on the great crusade 143 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,540 This is part three and we're following the next few legions 144 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:55,740 We'll be doing white scars space wolves and imperial fists and i'll hand over to andy to take it away 145 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,880 I was doing the recap. Oh, no, sorry colin's doing a recap my bad 146 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:05,560 Sorry colin will do a small recap of what we have previously covered colin take it away 147 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,680 Of course. Thank you. Just just a quick little recap, uh from last episode 148 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,680 uh the great crusade for those who are not too familiar was 149 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,360 The emperor setting out with his many legions of astartes and normal humans 150 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,240 To conquer the galaxy in the name of humanity to reunite all the lost human worlds 151 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,280 And expand even further if they have the time for it 152 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:35,480 Uh, it also of course had the secondary objective of finding his sons that were lost into the warp 153 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,800 Uh, which you know given that they were supposed to be the generals of his armies. He kind of really needed them 154 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:48,040 So he set out across the galaxy with a conquer it b find madame kids 155 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:54,680 And for the legions we covered last time the dark angels what they were up to in the great crusade 156 00:11:54,680 --> 00:12:01,400 They were the emperor's first and arguably greatest definitely most trusted legion 157 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:08,280 Given access to equipment from the dark age that not a not any of the other legions had they had men of iron which 158 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,680 In fact, they had them even in reduced capacity was insane because perium does not like ai but the dark angels 159 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,160 Just got to keep a couple of them as pets 160 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:24,520 Uh, they suffered pretty heavy losses against the rang den and the uh, one of those one of the wars against them 161 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:30,920 So for that and lionel johnson not being the most sociable of gentlemen, shall we say? 162 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,120 He was passed over for the role of war master, but nevertheless they served with well 163 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:41,080 Great distinction and they were easily one of the most respected of the legions at the time 164 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,080 Uh one of the the next one the emperor's children 165 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Uh for their stellar service, they were granted the honor of bearing the emperor's own name 166 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Uh, because despite the uh, a gene seed crisis where they'll I mean it was called the blight 167 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,920 It was more of a feel free to correct me on this basically super cancer 168 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,640 Uh was my has always been my understanding of the blight. Yeah, I think so. Yeah 169 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,520 Uh, they were nonetheless serving very well and when they found their prime arc they uh 170 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,080 The issue wasn't fixed, but they had new gene seeds. So it was kind of put off 171 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:20,040 Uh, and once aside from that because or pardon me because of this when they uh, they met for they found fulgrim reunited with him 172 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,280 And got new gene seed. They were given a new lease on life. They uh 173 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,600 Became one of the most more morally upstanding legions funnily enough for what's coming later on the line 174 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:37,800 Uh with a bit of a bent towards perfectionism, which surely is not a sign of things to come for the emperor's children 175 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:44,040 And the last legion we covered the nightlords, uh, unlike the other two they were pretty big. Sorry 176 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:50,840 Iron warriors. Oh, oh god. We haven't done nightlords yet. I don't know why I wrote down the nightlords. That's what 177 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,840 pardon me iron warriors, uh, they were 178 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,400 Uh, unlike the other two when they found their prime arc, they got 179 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,120 infinitely worse 180 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,160 Uh, because perturabo, uh showed up look at the 181 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:11,000 Performance and said this isn't good enough. So we killed one in ten of their pardon me had the rest of his legion killed one in ten of them 182 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,560 And from that moment on the iron warriors, uh became 183 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:24,840 Experts at siege warfare and were generally deployed to the worst of the worst war zones where they were just ground down into dirt 184 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Because perturabo did not feel like ever once saying could I do something different? 185 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,920 And they became if they were to be 186 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:40,760 And they became a very resentful bitter legion over their prime arc the circumstances they were in just 187 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,160 reality in general 188 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,280 Uh, but fair's fair. They were very good at sieges 189 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,000 Uh, if you wanted a fortress cracked you went to the iron warriors who would usually take 190 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:56,120 Horrendous losses in both the stardies and normal people but they would get it done 191 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,480 And uh, that was uh, that was a little recap of last time make sure to go 192 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,480 Watch it if you haven't 193 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,720 And without further ado, I will pass it on over to andy 194 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:14,280 I don't know why I said nightlords. I still don't know where that came from. I mean they both didn't get better with their prime marks 195 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,040 They both had a crap. I think maybe that's what it was. Like I was just I was just 196 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,440 Thinking yeah, they both got worse and maybe that just filtered into my head nightmare 197 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Times two is eight. So it's divisible. So yeah, it is, you know, but we'll be talking 198 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:29,800 we'll be tackling them in the next episode, I suppose but 199 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:34,600 Uh today, uh, i'm actually front loading a lot of this episode today. I'm going to be discussing 200 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,280 Uh the white scars and the space wolves and then collin's gonna 201 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,840 Bring it home with a good fist in at the end with the imperial fists 202 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:48,920 Um, which is specified by his natural legion. We're not doing something on the camera for the audio list 203 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,920 Oh, no. All right 204 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,200 It's going a bit too far. Just playing it safe. Just playing it safe. Um 205 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,120 But yeah, and also I love like the light scars my favorite legion 206 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,800 So I couldn't not talk about them. So without further ado, let's talk about the fifth legion 207 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,160 Back during the unification of terror 208 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,600 The fifth legion used to be known as the star hunters and they were drawn from the fulian basin 209 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:17,640 Now at first there were actually only a hundred or so warriors a couple a hundred maybe 210 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,680 So in a similar way to the third legion, they were quite small numbers, but not because of you know 211 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Space cancer it was more of oh they were a bit more niche 212 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,000 Uh, and they would endure the harshest of all of terror's environments and would 213 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:37,240 Earn a reputation as being like the scouts and the pathfinders of the emperor's armies 214 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:43,320 And this extended when they actually joined the great crusade where even though they were few in numbers 215 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:49,480 And they wouldn't really earn much glory because you know, there's there's not really much you can like say about oh I found this 216 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,040 this fortification 217 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:58,280 It's like oh cool. You're not getting a medal for that. Whereas the dark angels come and just smash it to pieces and they get like laurels of victory 218 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,680 um, but because of their specialty 219 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,160 They would be set far and wide across the galaxy 220 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,800 In nature, they were very distant and solitary to their peers 221 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,480 They were occlusive in nature and had an independence to them 222 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,560 So they it's not that they didn't necessarily get along with other legions. It's just they didn't really 223 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Need to be around them that often they why would they be around the big armies when they were at the forefront? 224 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:29,400 Picking targets weakening enemy fortifications for them to come in later on to kick down the last remnants of resistance 225 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,800 um 226 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,720 But they they didn't call for help they off very often, but they weren't vainglorious 227 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,840 This isn't them being egotistical and saying we can do anything ourselves 228 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,560 It was more of a case of they didn't want to imperil other legions by not getting it done themselves 229 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,480 And so they became very good at being self-reliant figuring out tactics 230 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,920 Which wouldn't cost them too many casualties and trying to be a bit clever about using hit-and-run tactics 231 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,600 Um, they even had a motto saying something along the lines of each day is a victory in itself 232 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,120 And uh, this really exemplifies how good they were at 233 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:07,720 Championing survivability against impossible odds and for what it's worth. Are you gonna say something colin? 234 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,520 See they just they just also just didn't need the help a lot of the time 235 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,680 Yeah, just fair enough. I mean again you mentioned briefly with the recap like the iron warriors 236 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,720 They were like there's one way of war you do that till you win 237 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:23,320 White scars were like now we're gonna like we're gonna use our brains a bit. We're gonna try and figure out. Okay 238 00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:29,000 We're gonna we're not gonna have like a huge army at our back, but can we attack this weak point? Does that work? 239 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,960 No, okay. We could fall back. We could try again do a different composition of units different weapons 240 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,120 that kind of stuff 241 00:18:36,120 --> 00:18:38,120 but inevitably 242 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:41,400 With time the fifth legion would be eroded their numbers would drop 243 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:43,480 until 244 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:48,840 The discovery of everyone's favorite primarch jagatai khan the war hawk himself 245 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,160 Now jagatai was found on the world of chagoras 246 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:57,400 Which by the imperial records would be mundus planus or plainus 247 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Big verdant open lands lots of big grassy fields 248 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,080 the uh the ruling tyrants known as the 249 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,200 Palatine I believe it was uh were basically oppressing the tribes of uh 250 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,920 the various peoples of chagoras and 251 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:20,040 On khan which would be jagatai's adoptive father found jagatai in the plains and went near the kumkata mountains and went 252 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,560 Oh, look, it's a child. He'll be a great warrior and um 253 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:30,040 Long story short we did a video on the white scars previously and i've talked about a bit more there but long story short 254 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Jagatai would have ambitions beyond just warfare. He wanted to unite his people and with a few years of work and a bit of elway 255 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:41,640 Greece he managed to do it. He he conquered the palatine. He united all the tribes of chagoras 256 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,080 And with the arrival of the emperor, he was very swiftly 257 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Being inducted into the ranks of the imperium much to the dismay of rebute giliman and dawn because they didn't like 258 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,640 How he did things they were like this guy is just some you know 259 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:02,600 This this horse riding crazy guy with a cool top knot. He's instantly given command of his legion and we don't like 260 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,800 His shamanistic people's beliefs and his rejection of some of the ideals of the imperial creed 261 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,400 That's a bit cringe. It's like no giliman dawn 262 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:16,920 Your cringe and then chagoras is united jagatai's got a legion 263 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,280 After a few 264 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,440 campaigns across the sultan's 265 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:29,960 After a few campaigns across the stars of the great crusade jagatai was starting to get a sense of what these new 266 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,360 Ceramite clad astartes warriors were like and he's now at this point 267 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,600 Transformed his own men who have stood beside him into astartes 268 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Including chads such as chinsha and taegu tai yusugai 269 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,880 They're awesome characters 270 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,040 But after a while he went okay 271 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:53,160 We need to bring the the legion back to full strength and bear in mind for a few years now quite a few years 272 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:59,000 I'm, not exactly sure when jagatai was found, but I think it's like the front half of all the prime marks 273 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,840 um, I thought he was from it's like relatively in the middle slash 274 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,080 Yeah, it's like not yeah, not early not late. It's kind of in that we've got some prime marks already 275 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:14,840 We've got prime marks at home. We've got more to find. We've got prime marks at home. We don't need to buy 276 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,160 Prime marks. Yeah, exactly. Um, so the imperium is already kind of 277 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,240 Doing all right as it is 278 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:27,080 But I think they mentioned in jagatai's book that when he arrives because he goes back to terror doesn't he? 279 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,960 Yeah, and then they said learning well, he says like, um 280 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:36,120 When they arrived so many prime marks had already returned to the imperium that the basically every time like when horrors arrived 281 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:40,600 There was a massive celebration and then by the time jagatai had arrived. It was like, oh, yeah 282 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:47,000 You know, I mean like a small ceremony because party poppers and that's it. Yeah, by the end you get a welcome card signed by roguedorn 283 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,960 Like hi brother. Nice to meet you signed dawn. Yeah, so relatively like 284 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Late ish but not the very tail end of I think they're all quite found close together towards the end as well 285 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,480 But it was sort of middle late 286 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,920 and and when you consider like dawn and gilman have already brought their own empires into the fold and 287 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,920 You've got people like ferris manus and leman ross and horus who've been there 288 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,280 They're the top they're the first three who've been there every step of the way 289 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,040 Mentoring their brothers and all of a sudden this guy jagatai turns up out nowhere 290 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,960 It's like oh and he's going to take care of his his scattered legion. Oh fair enough 291 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,240 Not not much fanfare, but um 292 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,640 as jagatai got the hang of you know space warfare and 293 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,760 the the objectives of the great crusade he went okay, we need to reunite the legion because 294 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Everyone's spread out 295 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,280 Everyone's got a different, you know 296 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,880 This company doesn't know this company. They're all a bunch of strangers 297 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:48,120 They're all getting their own cultural trappings and making their own customs as they're across many different parts of the the galaxy 298 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,400 All right. I'm gonna call them all back to chagoras and we're gonna like 299 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:58,920 We're gonna do something to to bring us some meaning and so it took about I believe 20 years 300 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,720 Um, but eventually 301 00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,360 Definitely over a decade 302 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:08,120 so maybe maybe not 20 but definitely over 10 years for all of the 303 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,480 Expeditionary fleets of the white scars to convene at chagoras and upon chagoras 304 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:19,160 They would conduct what is known as the blooding by scarring their faces with with like ritual knives 305 00:23:19,860 --> 00:23:26,520 Abandoning their old names and adopting new names as they became as a legion the white scars and through this 306 00:23:27,540 --> 00:23:28,880 signifier of 307 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:36,000 relinquishing the old adopting the new and uniting under one banner of you know the the trappings and culture of their of the war hawk of 308 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,120 chagoras 309 00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:44,420 Each of startis would be unified in purpose and transform from strangers from across the stars into a united brotherhood 310 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,560 And i've actually got a quote. I was wondering if either elio how would like to read it. I put it in the side chat 311 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,400 Oh wow, that's beefy that one 312 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,480 It's a beef. It's both are fair. This was beefier, but it's two characters as well 313 00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:01,920 Uh, I don't mind. Uh, if I want to 314 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:10,880 Yeah, you can that is a long one holy moly. Yeah, uh, excuse me apologies already for the uh pronunciation on some of the names 315 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,760 But i'll go for it 316 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,040 You are now of the ordo of jagatai and your old life is no more 317 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,560 What name do you take to mark your ascension? 318 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,120 Tamu had spoken it out loud many times in the days prior to the ceremony 319 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,080 Getting used to the feel of it on his lips 320 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,520 Trying to ease the strangeness of the transition 321 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,040 When he replied it still felt jarring 322 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600 shiban he said 323 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Hasek handed him the glaive 324 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:49,440 You are one with the ordo shiban you are of the brotherhood. You will not leave it except in death 325 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:56,640 Except in death may it be long in coming and may glory accompany your deeds until that day 326 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,560 Shiban took the glaive in both hands 327 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,200 The weapon felt pleasantly heavily 328 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,920 The weapon felt pleasantly heavily 329 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,400 God damn, I can't get that one out 330 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:16,640 The weapon felt pleasantly heavy in his gauntlets he ran his eyes up and down the blade 331 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,320 Noting the glyphs on the metal the gliding on the 332 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,840 There the gilding on the disruptor casing it was perfect 333 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:32,320 For the great khan he said bowing respectfully his heart full to bursting 334 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,680 That's actually 335 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,680 S Legion for real 336 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:44,320 My favorite actually about the white scars is that they don't call themselves white scars isn't that they get that name from 337 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,080 from 338 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,760 The other legions who they just see the scar and then they wear white armor 339 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,440 They see these pale scratches on their face and they're like, oh the scars. Yeah. Yeah, but they they they more more or less 340 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,560 Refer to each other as the ordo ordo jagatai. Yeah 341 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,560 They obviously have their own brotherhoods like there's the brotherhood of the moon brotherhood of the sun brotherhood of the golden star 342 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,560 Which are like their their battle companies 343 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,960 um, but yeah, I just I like that quote in that it kind of shows you 344 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:17,520 Like one of the starties, I think is she barn terran. I think she barn she barn is uh 345 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:25,120 I don't think she barn is no she bonds from the same clan. I think is uh, uh, jagatai. I think you're thinking of 346 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,000 your 347 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:33,600 Uh, he's the one the white scar who fights abaddon in the siege of terror. Yeah, I think you're thinking jubal. Yeah 348 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:40,560 He's jubal jubal's terran, but i've had a weird thing. I was noticed. It's kind of like has someone here played fallout new vegas 349 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:48,640 Yeah, they need to this is uh, it reminds me of how you know caesar in that game where he he asked like why do you 350 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,120 Well, you can ask him why is 351 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:57,200 Why is everyone like dressed up like the old roman empire of like old and he said he needed like a culture to essentially bind all 352 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:03,280 The groups together and it's a yeah, I find like a weird link between this and jagatai where he sort of bound the many different 353 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,920 star phantoms into 354 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800 The uh, yeah, but again, it's it's like 355 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,680 It worked a charm because it makes it make sense of like you've literally had these companies 356 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,240 Roaming the stars for maybe as much as 50 to like 50 plus years 357 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,880 They haven't met their their other companies. They they have no bonds of friendship or loyalty 358 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,360 They're just like oh you're some other company that I don't know 359 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,840 Um, so this was just a way of them to go right? 360 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,560 We're starting fresh and we're gonna do it in in the the good old chagorin way 361 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,680 And uh, we're gonna get space bikes and it'll be really cool. Um, some of them fit in quite well 362 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:44,400 Don't they like jubile fits in like some of the terrans fit in almost like they were born of chagoras and some of them 363 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,360 This there's even a bit 364 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:52,000 I remember of like they have like the fermented milk and some of them are drinking it and they're not quite used to like 365 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,440 Um, this weird like concoction that this chagoras drink 366 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Yeah 367 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,120 Uh, it's it's interesting again like seeing the 368 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,520 And and even in the horus heresy there are characters who aren't from chagoras or terra 369 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,080 Who are put into the legion and seeing their transition of like oh I am now a white scar 370 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,880 And this is what it means to be one of the fifth legion and we're bound by these traditions 371 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,520 And I think that's pretty cool and like that quote does a good job of like a character getting used to oh 372 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,640 This isn't my name anymore. Now. I'm this person it feels weird to say it and i've been rehearsing 373 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,280 You know, it's being my name from now on, uh, but I think that's pretty cool 374 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:37,120 Now it's worth saying that during the great crusade, uh white scars were by no means one of the biggest legions 375 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,440 uh, they had about 80 000 astartes during the uh, 376 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,720 the what was known as the colan circle of planets, uh compliance and 377 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:52,880 And jagatai then following the blooding went. All right. Now we're we're united and we're a legion like my brothers have 378 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:58,160 We've got to do a trial by fire. So he used the colan circle as like an initiation 379 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,720 So he set all of his companies in the campaign. He he divided them up and he said okay 380 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,960 You're doing this you're doing doing this you're doing this and he basically made it so that they would be 381 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,060 Every single company would be overwhelmed with opposition 382 00:29:11,060 --> 00:29:17,460 So none of them had an easy time of it and about one in ten of each of the companies would die during the five-year war 383 00:29:17,940 --> 00:29:22,260 Uh, which isn't the same as obviously like the decimation that perderabbo did where he said oh you're weak 384 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:28,020 So kill the weakest person it was like no i'm gonna give you a chance to prove yourself in battle and 385 00:29:29,380 --> 00:29:31,540 It wasn't like he was waiting for one in ten to die 386 00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:33,540 It was more of a case of we've got to like 387 00:29:33,540 --> 00:29:36,740 Make sure we're all up to standard we're going to do this really grueling campaign 388 00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:41,140 but i'm going to make it so that I test you to the best of your ability and um 389 00:29:42,420 --> 00:29:46,820 Each company wouldn't be supported for minimum of three years of fighting 390 00:29:46,820 --> 00:29:53,060 So they fought alone as a band of warriors until they were they were deemed worthy of their namesake of the white scars and 391 00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:58,660 Um, this did really well again. We did out some of the people in the legion who wouldn't survive otherwise 392 00:29:59,140 --> 00:30:02,180 Uh, they never lost momentum nor retreated from their foes 393 00:30:02,180 --> 00:30:08,180 And at the forefront of each of the the main battles of this campaign jagatai was at the spear tip and 394 00:30:08,420 --> 00:30:13,540 The legion would always compete to be at his side when he was fighting to to 395 00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:17,540 To prove themselves worthy of fighting with their prime arc and it again 396 00:30:17,540 --> 00:30:21,300 It was like an element of oh I want to I want senpai to notice me 397 00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:27,220 So I want him to know that i'm a true member of the fifth legion. I'm gonna fight alongside him. Yeah, i'm cool 398 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:28,900 um 399 00:30:28,900 --> 00:30:30,900 And yeah over time, uh 400 00:30:30,900 --> 00:30:38,180 Uh, they would bring many worlds into compliance fighting shoulder to shoulder with other cousin legions until the pivotal 401 00:30:39,060 --> 00:30:41,060 Campaign of the ulunor crusade 402 00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:44,100 During the ulunor crusade obviously the biggest orc greenskin 403 00:30:45,300 --> 00:30:52,420 Empire that had ever been seen had amassed and the imperium had to bring every resource to bear to try and crush them 404 00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:53,940 so 405 00:30:53,940 --> 00:30:57,380 The white scars that did their bit and at the final battle of ulunor prime 406 00:30:57,380 --> 00:31:02,340 The white scars stood alongside the ultramarines the lunar wolves and the emperor's own retinue 407 00:31:02,820 --> 00:31:07,620 To destroy urlac urg who was the the orc war boss in charge of the the great 408 00:31:08,420 --> 00:31:14,260 greenskin tide and then they won the battle and the ulunor ulunor triumph happened and 409 00:31:14,980 --> 00:31:17,860 At that point there was no doubt that the white scars belonged 410 00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:22,420 Among the rest of the legions as a as a proper legion that had proven themselves worthy 411 00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:24,260 they also 412 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:30,980 Even though they were proven in the eyes of the other legions people still mistrusted their their storm seers and their traditions 413 00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:37,140 During the council of nikea which was the censure of the uh, the use of psyches within the imperium 414 00:31:37,300 --> 00:31:43,700 The white scars primarch would actually help draft the uh, library us alongside magmus the red and sanguineous to try and 415 00:31:44,100 --> 00:31:48,680 regulate psyches within the legions, but the white scars particularly 416 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:55,560 Were conservative in the way they used the warp and so during the council of nikea they would be present to 417 00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,520 Espouse the value of using psyches, but they also emphasized using restraint 418 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,360 But with all this said 419 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:12,120 They also followed for example the test of heaven with the the way they utilize the warp with their storm seers and 420 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:18,760 And despite their best efforts they were seen as barbaric and unseemly by other parts of the wider imperium 421 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,240 and no one really 422 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:27,080 Understood the white scars no matter how many you know campaigns they won compliances they brought 423 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,440 Everyone was a bit unnerved by them just because they didn't understand them not in the same way of 424 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,840 When you think of the space wars going, oh, they're just some barbarians from an ice world the the white scars 425 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,920 They were like there's something there, but I can't quite understand it and you know 426 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:47,320 So and and the white scars never made any efforts to try and show their hand because they wanted people to underestimate them 427 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,680 So that they could take full advantage if they needed to to like to win battles or to to gain the upper hand 428 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,720 But with the council of nikea concluded the white scars would be banned from using any psyches 429 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:08,600 And they would continue uh, they were they were the legion tasked with mopping up the last remnants of uh, the ulun or orc war that was 430 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,120 pretty much broken but now dispersing across the stars and 431 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,120 Prior to the horus heresy. This would be the last thing they did until 432 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,560 Obviously the uh the burning of prospero 433 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,480 And the horus heresy and everything else and that's basically a rundown of the white scars and what they were up to 434 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,040 Do we have any questions? 435 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,760 I was gonna say like a last like a last um 436 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,160 Statement which particularly if you're new to warhammer you're kind of thinking 437 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960 Are they the white scar like what makes them? 438 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,600 Uh unique. I thought the first thing we should probably mention is like speed speed speed speed baby, you know, they they 439 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:52,600 We they are speedy boys. They are the fastest legion by far. They love their jet bikes. Don't they andy love their jet bikes 440 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,840 They like to go fast 441 00:33:54,840 --> 00:34:01,720 Literally, that's their whole point is they would shock and destroy but also they're kind of cool because they kept 442 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,440 They're similar to like what when we tackle the space wars later the white scars 443 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,440 From their the culture that they birthed upon 444 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:15,960 Chagoras is still is very present within like some of the legions could be quite um 445 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:22,360 No, I won't say generic, but you know, I mean they're quite imperial whereas the white scars are very much a chagorean 446 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,080 uh legion even throughout the great crusade obviously when they were 447 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:34,440 joined by uh jagatai and they're very even like even their early great crusade armor, they have um all their cool stuff 448 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,880 That's my like kind of final thought also. I'm not sure jagatai is quite caesar from new vegas 449 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,560 But you know, there's some similarities if you have played that game. It's a good game 450 00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,440 That's pretty much it 451 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,360 down with down with the legion down with the litchi down the legion 452 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:57,320 Right, I guess if there's no more questions should we move on to uh said space wolfie boys the uh, the other quote barbaric 453 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,840 Legion that no one understands or understood or wanted to 454 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:06,200 Fitting that there are the two barbarian legions quote unquote are together 455 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,040 Yeah, and and there's there's some interesting parallels 456 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,800 But uh, I should say before I start with the space balls the two legions don't get on 457 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,360 Even in the 41st millennium 458 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,520 There there's a bit of animosity between the two because of the different ways they 459 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:28,680 They uh, shall we say conceal some of their more nobler characteristics and how they portray themselves to the wider imperium 460 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,920 But let's start off by talking about the history of the the sixth legion. So 461 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,360 During the formation of the legions 462 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,880 Every legion would be made with a specific purpose in mind 463 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,000 But the the weird thing about the space wolves is they are the first of the quote tree foil legions 464 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,920 And each of these tree foil legions were made for a specific purpose 465 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,160 So the the three are you've got the sixth legion, which is the space wolves 466 00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,200 you've got the 18th legion, which is the salamanders and the 20th legion, which is the alpha legion and 467 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,160 the emperor specifically 468 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,400 Kind of held back these legions to do a specific purpose the alpha legion 469 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,320 Couldn't do because although all the legions have a specialty in warfare 470 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,320 These legions had a particular purpose outside of warfare 471 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,640 now 472 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,640 To talk about how they were drafted 473 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:25,880 The space walls were not a legion drawn from a specific place. They were taken from all across terror, but the uh, 474 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,440 the the unifying factor was 475 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,000 They would draw from the most hyper violent and savage of all the places 476 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:38,120 on terror, so if you're frothing at the mouth, you're probably going to be get get drafted into the sixth legion because 477 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:44,200 For what they were destined to do the the imperium was like, ah, we need this like 478 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,320 Nasty person who like bite your ear off 479 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,480 That that that's the kind of guy we want in this legion, which is weird considering the world eaters exist. But anyway 480 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,960 um during the conquest of 481 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,800 unification of terror 482 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,040 The sixth legion was the first of the six legions 483 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,480 of unification of terror the sixth legion, although it was built up to strength was 484 00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:08,940 Deliberately held back from being deployed 485 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:16,600 Um, this is possibly due to the fact that they had a really high mortality rate when transplanted with the sixth legion gene seed 486 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:22,600 Uh, it could also be for the fact that the emperor was specifically holding them back them back for this purpose 487 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:23,800 He had in mind 488 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,720 but either way they were isolated from their peers and 489 00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:33,000 They would be spared some of the crises such as the gene seed crisis which happened to the third legion 490 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:40,440 They'd be spared from being split up like the fifth legion. They'd be spared from being completely decimated by 491 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,000 Endless meat grinder kind of warfare like the fourth legion or gene floors like the ninth legion 492 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:53,720 They they actually did quite well during unification because they were never really seen but once the unification wars were over 493 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:57,880 And the great and the great crusade was put into its first 494 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,480 Really difficult steps to expand into the stars 495 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,360 Then the sixth legion were unleashed about three thousand five hundred astartes strong 496 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:12,600 they would be led personally by the emperor during the compliance of the world known as del's van and 497 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,800 The del's van civilization was particularly, uh, technologically advanced 498 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,480 they had inherited equipment from the dark from the age of strife and the dark age of technology and 499 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,760 Only a really overwhelming force would be capable of killing these uh, these opponents 500 00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,400 so the quote route of uh, 501 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:39,400 Terror which are basically they were known as the jackals or carrion feeders of terror were unleashed in their entirety to destroy the opposition of del's van 502 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,240 and 503 00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,080 they completely destroyed them and there's not really any records of 504 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,760 Anything they did other than the fact that they didn't let anyone live and 505 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,040 there's no del's vanian survivors left because 506 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,640 the route had their feed of the carrion of battle and 507 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:02,600 You don't need to know more than the fact that they were completely merciless and savage and they got the job done 508 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,880 More than any other legion was expected to do 509 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,800 now 510 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,800 Over time the route would grow in number 511 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,800 But they would still know no they wouldn't get to the same uh, 512 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:20,440 Size as say the lunar wolves or the ultramarines like they were about the third of the size of the dark angels or lunar wolves during the great crusade 513 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,440 But despite the fact that they weren't a big legion. They nonetheless got many glories many plaudits 514 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:33,320 They were extremely effective, but they had a huge civilian casualty rate and collateral damage 515 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:39,080 So you only really wanted to unleash the route onto an enemy if you didn't want anything left standing because 516 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,480 They don't care if you're using human shields 517 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:47,320 They don't care if you're using quote geneva conventions. They're just going to butcher everyone in their path until the job's done 518 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,560 Um the geneva suggestions is what they refer to them as 519 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,560 That is brilliant 520 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:55,240 And 521 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:57,960 In a way because of the fact that they were so um 522 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:04,520 Undisciplined in that regard they were actually a very fractious internally legion like there were lots of 523 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,400 uh conflicts within their own organization to the point where 524 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,720 Officers were appointed by pure 525 00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,800 martial prowess and strength so the strongest would become officers and if you weren't strong 526 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,720 It doesn't matter what you say, but they also had this curse in their gene seed known as the canis helix 527 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,320 which would slowly begin to set in without the uh 528 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,800 The the genetic materials of their primarch to resolve some of the flaws in its design 529 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,520 So at this point 530 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,400 The the route is not in a great place 531 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,360 The the route is not in a great place. They don't have a primarch and there's only one primarch in the imperium at this point 532 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,120 That's horus lupical 533 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,880 They're internally fractious. They've got a bad reputation and there's flaws setting in from their gene seed and without their primarch 534 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,960 It's going to go really terribly 535 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,560 Luckily for them the second primarch to ever be found leman rus would be discovered on the world of fenris 536 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:03,880 A barren ice world full of terrible monsters and a viking culture feudal society 537 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:09,640 Um, and again long story short about his uh, his own story. We did videos on the primarchs, etc 538 00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,720 um 539 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:15,080 He would come to rule fenris as a bar a barbarian king 540 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,240 of the ice tribes he would unite the entire planet and 541 00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,280 With his introduction to the sixth legion 542 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,120 The sixth legion would adopt the cultural trappings of fenris 543 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:32,600 They would live in the image and shadow of their primarch and they would now regard themselves as the vilka fenrica 544 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,800 And follow we follow follow fervently follow in the wolf king's footsteps 545 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,720 Uh with whatever he did and it was actually a very good time for them because then they got to stabilize their gene seed 546 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,840 Um a lot of leman rus's men who had fought with him on fenris were quite old 547 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,160 So there was a lot of casualties when they were tried when they tried to make them into estates 548 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:58,120 but the estates who survived the procedure were extremely like 549 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,160 gruff and tough and 550 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,140 Dangerous individuals. So now you've got this legion bolstered by even more 551 00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:08,700 Uh, you know barbaric 552 00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:13,020 killers in a way but also have this innate sense of 553 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:21,020 Fenris's honor and mythology and so it's a boon for the legion and now is the second legion to have a primarch appointed 554 00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:23,340 um 555 00:42:23,340 --> 00:42:27,180 The the route goes from strength to strength. Can I mention something really like 556 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:34,860 Very space wolfy in wolfy in terms of the law, you know, but they're uh gene a gene seed curse 557 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,140 I've mentioned this I think briefly in the um, the wolf 558 00:42:38,460 --> 00:42:43,580 Yeah, the wolf and curse the briefing the primarch's uh particles episode check that out. Um 559 00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:47,660 it's not called wolf and because when they have their 560 00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:53,180 For even a notable hammer sometimes the gene seed that makes them into a starties is not 561 00:42:53,180 --> 00:42:58,860 Is a the emperors put some weird stuff in there and sometimes as you can tell they're space wolves 562 00:42:58,860 --> 00:43:05,340 They look a bit wolfy. Sometimes there's a gene seed curse for some of the legions and the space wolves are 563 00:43:05,660 --> 00:43:07,660 One of the legions that have it as well 564 00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:11,260 Although it could be argued of quite a few of them. Maybe all of them have it in some way 565 00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:15,340 Um in terms of temperament, but the space wolves have one called the wolfen 566 00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:19,500 Which means they kind of had the possibility of basically turning into werewolves 567 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:23,900 Werewolves, but they're not called wolfen because they look like wolves 568 00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:26,860 it's they're called wolfen because 569 00:43:27,500 --> 00:43:30,140 uh, one of the men of russe 570 00:43:30,780 --> 00:43:33,340 Who joined him in becoming a space marine? 571 00:43:33,820 --> 00:43:35,820 um, he 572 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,820 essentially held resentment in his heart for leman russe and the uh 573 00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:47,020 trial for which becoming a space wolf like the gate at the go through the gates of morkai, which are like 574 00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:49,740 Essentially they test you for like taint essentially from chaos 575 00:43:50,380 --> 00:43:54,300 um essentially his dislike for or his jealousy of russe 576 00:43:54,860 --> 00:44:00,620 Allowed chaos into his heart and he became the first wolfen and he attacked russe so that and his name was wolfen 577 00:44:00,620 --> 00:44:04,140 So that's why they're called wolfen because they're named after things that 578 00:44:04,940 --> 00:44:05,900 I 579 00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:07,900 It's so like why? 580 00:44:08,620 --> 00:44:13,020 Why can they not just resist the urge to be like everything is actually named after this? 581 00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:18,860 It's not it's not called this because you know, like the land speeder. It's not called that because it speeds across the land 582 00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:21,900 It's developed by arken land. You don't need to do that 583 00:44:22,620 --> 00:44:28,060 You don't need to name everything after a person. I just remember reading that I think is in the ragnar 584 00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:31,260 Blackmail books. I'm thinking what the hell is it? 585 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,500 Because they do they meet well 586 00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:38,300 There's two stages of that curse you can have like wolfen where they just essentially their eyes start to glow yellow 587 00:44:38,780 --> 00:44:41,740 And then they're a little bit more like wolf-like and there's like full-on 588 00:44:41,740 --> 00:44:44,780 They become savage beasts like actual werewolves and wolves 589 00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:50,300 And that's why the joke of there are no I mean they can't say anymore can they but gw or something 590 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:54,060 But there are no wolves on thin that is I mean, they shouldn't say it but they still will 591 00:44:54,620 --> 00:45:02,060 It's a it's a joke because it's meant to imply that the like gene seed or supposedly they became the wall that the people became the wolves 592 00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:07,740 It uh, god, you know, that's like I just find that funny little story like they're called wolfen because they're named after a dude 593 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:09,980 Not because they actually look like wolves 594 00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:12,460 They actually look like wolves. Oh my god 595 00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:15,500 We that well to be honest 596 00:45:15,660 --> 00:45:19,740 I did a I did a nearly one hour video on the space wolves talking about everything and 597 00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:25,420 I've had a several comments being like take a shot for every time that the remembrancer says wolf and it's like yeah 598 00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:28,720 It's a lot. There's a lot of there's wolf king and wolfen 599 00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:36,060 And the 13 wolf spirits and the wolf packs and the lone wolves and the it's like wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf 600 00:45:36,380 --> 00:45:37,740 Here come the space wolves 601 00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:42,700 um, but I should mention that they the the reason i've said the route is because of their 602 00:45:42,940 --> 00:45:48,300 Their history as the carrion readers of terror and the vilka fenrica is what they actually call themselves 603 00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:52,720 They don't call themselves space wolves. That's basically a misinterpretation 604 00:45:53,580 --> 00:45:58,860 By the wider imperium to go. Oh wolves wolf all the wolf trappings pelts 605 00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:06,540 They're in space space space wolves and the the the the vilka fenrica do not like it when people call them space wolves 606 00:46:06,540 --> 00:46:10,460 But they are like the white scars essentially like we mentioned earlier. Yeah 607 00:46:11,100 --> 00:46:15,900 Exactly. It's an interesting parallel, but it's not as on the nose at least it was like oh god 608 00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:18,380 Well, if you don't want to be called space wolves 609 00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:24,220 Why why do you call your battalions wolf packs and wolf brothers and why have you got the wolf bane? 610 00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:26,380 And why are you wearing a wolf? 611 00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:29,900 And why is your name scarce and wolf wolfen son like yeah? 612 00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:36,460 Yeah, it's just a mistake to make that really is the most spot-on bit in tts where the emperor's like all I got out of 613 00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:39,180 That was wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf wolf 614 00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:46,060 Um, but speaking of wolf wolf wolf wolf, uh, eli i've put another quote in the sidebar 615 00:46:46,060 --> 00:46:52,300 Would you fancy doing a read of that for me? Yes, but i'm not gonna do a space wolf accent. Sorry bro. Okay. No worries 616 00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:56,780 My god, I wish I wish it would be too bad. I can't do it 617 00:46:56,780 --> 00:47:02,700 All right as the strands of iron are twisted and hammered together in the forging of a killing blade 618 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:09,740 So shall we be and I and my old sworn have been in hold up. I'm having the same issue 619 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:16,780 Okay, I and my old sworn have been until now the wolves of fenris and you cousins of my blood the wolves of terra 620 00:47:18,140 --> 00:47:24,380 Together we shall become the wolves that stalk the stars and the beasts that crawl and feed in the darkness of the void shall 621 00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:27,260 Come to fear us and know themselves hunted 622 00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:35,660 Cool, I like the space wolves literally call themselves the walls of fenris, but call themselves space walls is like no, you're not a lot 623 00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,180 Say so is not my pronoun is literally that energy and then 624 00:47:40,540 --> 00:47:42,540 Microaggression 625 00:47:43,660 --> 00:47:47,500 Well, I mean again they went in as the jackals of of terra and I know 626 00:47:47,580 --> 00:47:50,940 Horus didn't like the fact that people called them space wolves because if you think about it 627 00:47:50,940 --> 00:47:57,260 There's only two primarchs at this point and there's the lunar wolves and the space wolves and horses like that's my thing 628 00:47:57,580 --> 00:48:01,340 Don't steal my thing. Come on stomps on the ground. No 629 00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:07,340 The ground gets in a bit of a tear real reason for the horse heresy. Yeah, it's all about names in it 630 00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:13,980 Um, so yeah, so with with that all done, uh, leman rust now has a very formidable legion 631 00:48:13,980 --> 00:48:21,020 At his behest so as soon as he's installed to to bring compliance across the galaxy for the great crusade 632 00:48:21,660 --> 00:48:26,220 he he embarks upon the wheel of fire frontier to the galactic east and 633 00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:31,340 This is where the vilka fenrica would exterminate the xenos and some human 634 00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:36,940 Stragglers in that sector, but it was a particularly treacherous kind of campaign 635 00:48:37,500 --> 00:48:40,780 They fought directly alongside the white scars and their primarch 636 00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:43,420 To destroy the orc war of mashog 637 00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:49,260 But they also fought alongside the iron warriors, but they didn't really like commend them for their actions 638 00:48:49,260 --> 00:48:53,420 They just called them comrades as like support units. They were like, oh white scars 639 00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:57,660 And us we did all the fighting the iron warriors were just there and they helped 640 00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:00,140 I was like, oh, that's a bit 641 00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:02,060 Well roasted or fourth legion 642 00:49:02,060 --> 00:49:07,740 I think the only thing they did was like perturabba helped like plot the trajectory of their like drop drop ship vectors 643 00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:11,260 And they're like, yeah that helped. I'm pretty sure 644 00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:17,900 But i was in the planning stage and he's like like lemon ross has already gone. He's already what he's gone 645 00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:22,140 Yeah, basically and jagatai is already on the planet like they've already left 646 00:49:22,140 --> 00:49:26,300 Oh my like the two most impetuous legions who are like i'll do it now like oh 647 00:49:27,580 --> 00:49:31,340 Which I find is funny though like perturabba is just there with his arms forward again fucking 648 00:49:31,340 --> 00:49:40,060 Uh, anyway, um, but during this uh campaign the the the space wars would lose about one astartes per a thousand orcs 649 00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:41,820 Which is pretty good odds 650 00:49:41,820 --> 00:49:48,860 And uh through again this trial of uh, blood and fire they would be remolded in their prime arc's image very much like the white scars 651 00:49:49,420 --> 00:49:50,380 um 652 00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:51,580 however 653 00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:57,660 The the space wars probably more than any would create a lot of rivalries against their cousin legions throughout the great crusade 654 00:49:57,660 --> 00:50:02,700 um and one of these would be uh, particularly well known 655 00:50:03,500 --> 00:50:04,460 um 656 00:50:04,460 --> 00:50:07,420 With the first legion the dark angels. Um 657 00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:11,020 Um at this point a lot. Yeah at this point 658 00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:16,620 lemon ross is already a little bit salty in that he's been there since more or less the beginning and the lions 659 00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:23,020 turned up quite late in the game and the dark angels have more compliances than the space wolves and 660 00:50:23,020 --> 00:50:28,460 And lemon ross isn't happy about this. He's like i've been here since just after horus and there's new upstarts here 661 00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:34,940 And his legion although the legion's already done a lot of stuff since he's returned. He's like he's killing it. I'm annoyed at this 662 00:50:35,420 --> 00:50:40,460 Um, so they're doing this compliance of this world called dulan and the planetary governor. Um 663 00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:47,020 It calls calls the wolf king a swear he calls him a swear and he calls him fat or something 664 00:50:47,020 --> 00:50:50,780 I don't know. He called he calls him a name and then lemon ross 665 00:50:50,780 --> 00:50:54,780 Is really the emperor. I think it's the exact word isn't it lapdog? Oh, yeah. Yeah 666 00:50:55,420 --> 00:50:58,300 Yeah lapdog of the emperor and then he goes i'm killing this man 667 00:50:58,540 --> 00:51:01,980 so they go and they start fighting and they do the warring and 668 00:51:02,220 --> 00:51:06,700 lemon ross gets to the uh, the capital city he kicks in the door of the the throne room where this 669 00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:11,580 Planetary governor should be and he sees the lion just standing over his dead corpse 670 00:51:12,060 --> 00:51:13,100 uh 671 00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:16,220 As opposed to an alive course, he's standing over his corpse and 672 00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:22,780 And yeah, and uh necromancy exists in these settings. Yeah, gotta be gotta be careful. He's not in this universe. Um 673 00:51:23,420 --> 00:51:25,420 unfortunately, a little bit more terry instead is 674 00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:29,100 Um, but yeah, and so 675 00:51:29,340 --> 00:51:33,020 Even ross isn't happy his honor his chance to redeem his honor is now 676 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:39,340 Non-existent he can't avenge his pride and so he gets into a bit of a kind of like lion 677 00:51:39,740 --> 00:51:44,620 How dare you kill this guy? I was gonna kill him. You you kill a sit like you you should have gone and assist 678 00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:50,140 You got you kill stealing me. So lion's like oh shut up and they get into a fight. It lasts over a day 679 00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:52,060 um 680 00:51:52,060 --> 00:51:54,060 and eventually, uh 681 00:51:55,100 --> 00:51:56,860 Long story short they 682 00:51:56,860 --> 00:52:02,140 Leemann goes. Oh my god. Why are we fighting? We've been at this for a day. We're so silly. We're goofy goobers and then 683 00:52:02,780 --> 00:52:04,940 Lion goes you call me a what and he knocks him out 684 00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:09,100 So then the lion, uh, the lion and the dark angels leave do land 685 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:14,140 And the space wolves revive their primarch from being unconscious and then he's like, oh, where's where's the lion? 686 00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:16,140 He just sucker punched me. He's like, oh he's gone 687 00:52:16,380 --> 00:52:21,580 Um, and that basically starts a 10 000 plus year old feud between the space wolves and the dark angels 688 00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:24,140 That's one feud for the books 689 00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:27,980 uh, they also would start a feud with the world eaters during their uh, 690 00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:33,180 night of the wolf where the emperor heard that angron and his legion were 691 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,980 Implanting butcher's nails into their men 692 00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:40,140 Which is a big no-no because that's not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination 693 00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:42,540 and so the emperor 694 00:52:42,860 --> 00:52:48,460 Dispatched leem and russ and his space wolves to uh to bring his order to stop doing that 695 00:52:49,340 --> 00:52:50,940 um 696 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:55,420 And that was also following the genna massacre where the butcher's nails 697 00:52:55,900 --> 00:53:00,780 fueled the starties of the world eaters have already gone a bit of a civilian killing rampage, so 698 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:06,300 So not good by any stretch of the imagination and because of these gehenna's where they 699 00:53:06,860 --> 00:53:10,140 Make it they find the technology to make the butcher's nails 700 00:53:10,860 --> 00:53:15,980 Work on the world eaters before it just killed them all well just for reference if people don't know the 701 00:53:16,540 --> 00:53:18,540 the butcher's nails are like a 702 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:23,360 A brain implant that's what it's called implant. Yeah, it basically only lets adrenaline 703 00:53:23,820 --> 00:53:28,780 Like kick in when you're essentially massacring people so that's why the emperor doesn't want it 704 00:53:28,780 --> 00:53:34,540 It like turns off the centers of your brain that aren't related to fighting and rage 705 00:53:36,620 --> 00:53:42,780 It's locks off your endorphin receptors your serotonin receptors anything you like if you like think of anytime 706 00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:47,500 You've accomplished something or had a nice meal and it made you feel good or you've done something nice 707 00:53:47,500 --> 00:53:50,540 It's like you don't feel anything for doing any of that and it's miserable 708 00:53:50,700 --> 00:53:53,900 The only reason you feel happy is when you cut someone's face off like oh, okay 709 00:53:53,980 --> 00:53:56,060 That's what the butcher's nails do 710 00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:58,700 It's like the fine dining and breathing all they know is 711 00:53:59,740 --> 00:54:01,740 murdering and breathing 712 00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:06,780 But yeah, um and and because of these uh, 713 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:11,420 These these acts of censure over time a nickname 714 00:54:11,980 --> 00:54:15,900 Would be attributed to the vilka fenrica and their primarch 715 00:54:16,220 --> 00:54:21,020 They would know the wolf king as the emperor's executioner and his dogs of war 716 00:54:21,660 --> 00:54:23,660 and the sixth legion 717 00:54:23,660 --> 00:54:27,660 would be infamous as a legion that 718 00:54:28,380 --> 00:54:35,100 quite possibly also got rid of the the second and eleventh legions of the lost and forgotten primarchs 719 00:54:36,300 --> 00:54:38,300 We don't really know much about them 720 00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:42,940 it's heavily implied that the route were the ones who were the uh, 721 00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:49,340 The damocles hammer the damocles sword of damocles over the neck of the primarchs of the second and eleventh legion 722 00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:51,580 Though we're not sure not much is known about it 723 00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:56,720 But all that is known is that when something is really really really really egregious 724 00:54:57,260 --> 00:55:02,540 Then the emperor calls the wolves he doesn't call the dark angels who are the exterminators of the universe 725 00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:05,180 He doesn't call the ultramarines who are the diplomats 726 00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:10,940 He doesn't call the blood angels who enable he calls the route because they're just going to kill whatever he tells them to do 727 00:55:11,260 --> 00:55:14,860 And not in a way like the world eaters where they're going to shred under bits and get a bit like 728 00:55:15,420 --> 00:55:19,180 Caught up in the bloodlust. It's like no, they're just going to do their duty and then they're going to leave 729 00:55:19,180 --> 00:55:25,420 Um, and that's kind of the reason he made them. That's why they're one of the trefoil. They were made as his enforcers 730 00:55:25,980 --> 00:55:27,580 um 731 00:55:27,580 --> 00:55:29,340 and 732 00:55:29,340 --> 00:55:31,980 To an extent this is also one of their biggest 733 00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:39,740 flaws in personality because they are held in high esteem by the emperor personally and they are very proud of their 734 00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:45,420 uh their situation and their relationship to the master of mankind this would fuel 735 00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:52,140 Uh a lot of their actions leading up to the horus heresy one of which being their compliance alongside the thousand sons 736 00:55:52,540 --> 00:55:54,700 during the arc reach cluster campaign where 737 00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:57,340 the 15th legion were 738 00:55:57,660 --> 00:56:01,100 Bringing compliance to the world using their oogily boogily psychic powers 739 00:56:01,500 --> 00:56:09,100 until some of the members of the thousand sons started turning into abominations with a curse known as the flesh change and 740 00:56:09,100 --> 00:56:15,420 Lee man ross was not happy about this. He saw it as uh, as heresy and abominable, you know 741 00:56:16,540 --> 00:56:18,540 warp manipulations and 742 00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:23,020 He basically just culled all the the flesh changing thousand sons 743 00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:30,700 He almost went into a full scale war with the thousand sons without the without the intervention of logar or alyan and the word bearers 744 00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:32,780 as like intermediaries like 745 00:56:32,780 --> 00:56:34,780 daddy chill just standing between the two 746 00:56:34,780 --> 00:56:38,460 Fire marks. It was like that was what the hell is that thing? 747 00:56:39,660 --> 00:56:45,500 That was basically even yeah, leaving us going looking at a space marine turning into the flesh. He's like what what the hell is even that? 748 00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:46,940 um 749 00:56:46,940 --> 00:56:49,500 There's a yes. I love that scene though because there's a bit where 750 00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:53,980 It's because they're at this. They're magnus is like guarding the libraries of the world 751 00:56:54,060 --> 00:57:01,180 Because he's saying you're not attached to this is mine and the space wolves are like they're like huddled together like american football players 752 00:57:01,260 --> 00:57:03,260 Like oh, you know, they're like running together 753 00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:07,740 And they're about to slam into the thousand sons, but no one's got their weapons drawn 754 00:57:08,220 --> 00:57:15,100 All the space will have their shields out and essentially they have their like physical shields and the thousand sons have their um 755 00:57:15,420 --> 00:57:21,100 Psychic shields and they literally slam together in a shield wall and they don't again. They're not firing at each other 756 00:57:21,180 --> 00:57:25,020 They're just like essentially as a match of how much can we get away with? 757 00:57:25,580 --> 00:57:27,820 It was like it was like a test of wills and so 758 00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:33,580 Like all the thousand sons are just using their magics. There's not as many as them or many of them as the space 759 00:57:33,580 --> 00:57:38,380 Or but the space was like just shove in and they essentially match and it's a really cool 760 00:57:39,180 --> 00:57:41,980 Like it basically is a really nice imagery of like the two 761 00:57:42,540 --> 00:57:47,820 You know like a historic shield walls just like clashing against each other, although definitely 40k'd up a bit 762 00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:53,260 Yeah, and they're out again. They're reading books burn them. They're reading books nerd 763 00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:55,180 um 764 00:57:55,180 --> 00:57:59,020 Yeah, and and yeah for this reason they were a very contentious legion 765 00:57:59,340 --> 00:58:03,180 They had a lot of bad blood with a lot of legions and imperial armed forces 766 00:58:03,180 --> 00:58:05,660 They they were definitely like you wouldn't want to cross them 767 00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:09,100 But you also wouldn't want to say anything bad about them in case they like said 768 00:58:09,340 --> 00:58:12,220 Oh, what did you say and they like sharpen their axes, you know? 769 00:58:12,620 --> 00:58:16,300 Uh, very scary dudes. Um, but they would also 770 00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:19,020 Be extremely valuable to the imperium 771 00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:27,740 They they helped out with the randas and asides where they they slew untold horrors across the deepest darkest voids of the galaxy 772 00:58:28,220 --> 00:58:30,220 killing some of the most 773 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,860 disgusting and dangerous creatures that 774 00:58:33,420 --> 00:58:39,820 Imperial records don't have any records on because to even just think about these things is probably enough to drive people mad 775 00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:44,220 So they go no just just kill them just kill them. We don't need to know the details cool 776 00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:47,340 That's that's another imperial agri world saved. That's good 777 00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:51,820 Um, and they always served their so-called all-father did diligently 778 00:58:52,540 --> 00:58:57,820 The space wolves never falter in their loyalty to the imperium even though they're regarded as barbarians 779 00:58:58,220 --> 00:59:00,780 by the rest of the citizenry of humanity 780 00:59:02,300 --> 00:59:05,900 They are relentless in their conquests. They've never betrayed the emperor 781 00:59:05,900 --> 00:59:10,540 They never betray the imperium even in the bleakest circumstances. And that's why the route 782 00:59:11,340 --> 00:59:13,740 Have a checkered past but also are 783 00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:18,860 Even in the 41st millennium upheld as one of the most reliable of all the founding 784 00:59:19,500 --> 00:59:21,180 legions and chapters 785 00:59:21,180 --> 00:59:23,180 Because when you need something to get done 786 00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:29,260 You you call the route it will get done. It won't be pretty it won't be virtuous, but it'll get done 787 00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:32,700 And that's basically what they were up to during the great crusade 788 00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:37,820 I love the part where uh colin's gonna really enjoy this one 789 00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:44,780 Um the space wolves were like, you know, they wear lots of like the furs and cloaks and talism and things like that 790 00:59:45,660 --> 00:59:46,780 they 791 00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:50,620 When there's a bit in the great crusade where they fight alongside the thousand suns 792 00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:52,220 and 793 00:59:52,220 --> 00:59:53,340 they 794 00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:56,460 Are on this planet and it's scorching hot this planet 795 00:59:56,860 --> 01:00:03,100 Like even the thousand suns are using their psychic powers to like cool themselves down because it's like hot and there's even then they're struggling 796 01:00:03,100 --> 01:00:10,380 But when they're marching up this mountain the space wolves next to them covered in furs and cloaks and everything are completely fine 797 01:00:11,020 --> 01:00:14,540 And then like the thousand suns kind of go why are they like okay like fine? 798 01:00:15,340 --> 01:00:19,980 And essentially they come to like oh, it's the gene seed something about their gene seed helps them deal with extreme 799 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:25,420 environment so even though it's basically they can they don't need to wear the furs in extreme cold 800 01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:28,460 They just do it and they wear the furs in extreme heat, too 801 01:00:28,460 --> 01:00:34,540 Like when you see pictures of rob zombie in a leather jacket in california at like summertime, they're like dude take the jacket off 802 01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:36,540 It's obviously warm. It's okay 803 01:00:36,540 --> 01:00:40,540 They're literally you don't have to look that the kid in school who wears the hoodie on the hottest day of the year like 804 01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:49,420 That's their like vibe and it's i've just seen that and it's so annoying because like god like come on 805 01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:53,980 Their gene seed actually is pretty like when it works, you know, they're not turning the world 806 01:00:53,980 --> 01:00:58,700 It's actually probably one of the most op out of all the gene seeds in terms of like 807 01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:04,140 You know, but a base space wolf is probably better than mostly other legions in terms of just a base character 808 01:01:04,940 --> 01:01:10,140 If it weren't for that big old asterisk, yeah, and also the failure rate is pretty high 809 01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:14,620 I think with the yeah, I mean even when like I said even when they were during the 810 01:01:15,180 --> 01:01:17,100 Unification wars like most of them died 811 01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:20,220 So it's like you only get maybe one in like three in ten 812 01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:24,140 Become a start ease or whatever it is like or three in a hundred, but 813 01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:26,700 You're gonna be good warriors 814 01:01:27,740 --> 01:01:31,180 Yeah, but I thought you'd enjoy that little tidbit there colon 815 01:01:32,940 --> 01:01:34,940 Yeah, I mean that's 816 01:01:35,180 --> 01:01:39,500 The vibe to be to be fair. It is it is drip or drown in all cases 817 01:01:40,060 --> 01:01:43,580 That's right. It's it's stupid. It's stupid. Don't get me wrong 818 01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:48,940 But you know if uh if the choice if you're not in a fictional, you know, realm of the dead 819 01:01:48,940 --> 01:01:51,020 In a fictional, you know realms such as this 820 01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:55,580 Uh, if given the choice between uh dripped out or sensible clothing 821 01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:58,300 It's no choice at all 822 01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:59,500 Very true 823 01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:05,980 That's the point. I don't I don't think the wolf pelts look particularly good, especially those damned helmets of theirs 824 01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:13,500 Uh, oh the wolf helmets. Yeah the limit to not we're not talking about the helmets not a Viking too much wolf 825 01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:18,780 Pain I know I think the the thing that gets my go with the space was when they have the shields with like the wood on the 826 01:02:18,780 --> 01:02:23,980 Front side. Why would you have wood like metal shields? Like you can you can carry it. It's not going to be heavy 827 01:02:23,980 --> 01:02:25,980 I'm sure there's shields 828 01:02:27,100 --> 01:02:33,580 I'm sure if you look hard enough. Yeah, I was gonna say there's some passage where it's like it's not just wood. It's 829 01:02:34,140 --> 01:02:37,180 That the rare adamantine tree from the 830 01:02:37,180 --> 01:02:45,180 The non-existent jungle of fenris or some shit like that Odin's asshole. Yeah, it's fair enough with the white scars where they they make their their 831 01:02:45,180 --> 01:02:47,340 Staffs for the stormseers with the the wood from the bark of the trees from the kumkata mountains. It's because they're wizards 832 01:02:47,340 --> 01:02:48,860 Yeah, it's because they're stormseers 833 01:02:48,860 --> 01:02:54,380 But like the white scars don't go around like i'm gonna carry a sword with like a blade made of bamboo shoes 834 01:02:54,380 --> 01:02:58,460 Like no, it's like it wouldn't be effective. Like why would you use anything that grows? 835 01:02:59,020 --> 01:03:01,420 Rather than like metal for like a sword 836 01:03:01,420 --> 01:03:06,860 I don't know. It's like it wouldn't be effective. Like why would you use anything that grows rather than like metal? 837 01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:09,580 Uh, it just I don't know 838 01:03:11,020 --> 01:03:14,620 It's not say too much about growing you grow wraith bone and that shit's pretty pretty good 839 01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:18,380 Yeah, but that's mythic. That's like adamantium or like that is 840 01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:24,540 So is ceramites, you know, yeah, but but it's 841 01:03:26,300 --> 01:03:29,180 No, isn't like it's basically it's fancy made up. It's not 842 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:35,500 Oh, but like plasteel and ceramite and stuff at least it's like oh it's manufactured but it's like i'm just gonna put wood on my 843 01:03:35,500 --> 01:03:36,940 She was like no 844 01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:41,740 I don't care. I don't care if it's like um steel bark or whatever you're gonna call it. Like it's made of trees 845 01:03:42,060 --> 01:03:48,460 Maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's the greatest kept secret of the of the wolves that they're such good painters that they just paint 846 01:03:48,460 --> 01:03:50,700 Their shields to look like it's made of 847 01:03:50,700 --> 01:03:55,260 Uh, no, that's stupid 848 01:03:56,060 --> 01:03:59,500 I don't think anything live long enough to be good artists. That's the problem 849 01:03:59,980 --> 01:04:04,540 Just getting like expert painters like in the warhammer painting community there with like the shield like all right 850 01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:07,020 And this is how you do the pattern and you use this with the brush strokes 851 01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:13,020 So it looks like bark you see and they're like, oh I do see that's pretty cool for every like savage and you know 852 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:19,100 Executioner style space authors, you know one in every thousand is like a bob ross style for space film 853 01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:24,460 It's like just gonna go just no call some zealots over there. Nice trees. Isn't there like a cool dad the trees 854 01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:32,460 Isn't there a cool passage in one of the uh, horoscera books where like the salamanders work alongside, um the space wolves and 855 01:04:33,180 --> 01:04:37,980 Or this one of the salamanders. He's like, oh my pauldron's damaged and he's like, oh we could like put 856 01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:41,580 You're one of our brothers. We could put a wolf there instead. He's like no like 857 01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:43,740 We do we do that ourselves 858 01:04:43,740 --> 01:04:47,420 We do our painting by our own artificers and then by the end of the book 859 01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:53,100 He's like, all right, go on and then he like scratches like a wolf head into the side and was like, oh, that's pretty cool 860 01:04:53,260 --> 01:04:55,820 Sita terra fury of magnus I think it is 861 01:04:56,460 --> 01:05:00,780 One of the uh space was like, you know, yeah, let me look can I carve a little you know 862 01:05:00,780 --> 01:05:01,420 Now we're brothers 863 01:05:01,420 --> 01:05:06,700 Can I carve a space wolf symbol onto your pauldron because they do that and can I put a little wolfie and then the salamanders 864 01:05:06,860 --> 01:05:13,180 Because the salamanders legion have to they basically most of them like forge or at least they maintain their own equipment and they paint 865 01:05:13,180 --> 01:05:16,700 Their own. Yeah, they venerate craftsmanship as like part of their identity 866 01:05:16,700 --> 01:05:23,260 So it is like a guy saying can I just put my you know, taper banana onto a wall next to van goh essentially 867 01:05:24,940 --> 01:05:29,100 It's like that like that one lady that tried to fix up like the mona lisa or some other 868 01:05:32,220 --> 01:05:34,220 The jesus in the thing 869 01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:41,500 Where it's like it was done with the best of intentions you are making it worse in every regard 870 01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:46,480 It looked like someone but jesus was a caker and someone sat on it essentially 871 01:05:48,460 --> 01:05:52,140 I don't know. I just love the idea of like the the salamanders got this pauldron of like 872 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:59,260 Immaculate dragon head design with filigree and then like underneath it's just like a stick figure wolf that the space was been like 873 01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:04,860 That's an arm and some fingers. There he is. He's a happy little doggo 874 01:06:05,660 --> 01:06:07,020 He was trying 875 01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:12,140 He was trying to make friends like getting a kid at marcapen and a friend's house and he's like go nuts 876 01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:14,140 He just thought I was drawing on the walls 877 01:06:14,860 --> 01:06:20,540 Exactly. Do you think the emperor and like his golden fridge ever put up one of lehman's artworks like on the front? 878 01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:22,540 He's like very good 879 01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:31,740 There's that meme of like conrad kurs and the emperor's like what are you writing there conrad's like this is a list of 880 01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:36,460 Oh, yeah, oh that's great cross me out and he crosses him out and it's blank and he just cries 881 01:06:40,940 --> 01:06:42,940 Next episode next episode 882 01:06:44,540 --> 01:06:50,620 But I believe if that's all we're going to talk about with the the fifth and the sixth legion it's it's colin's time to 883 01:06:51,180 --> 01:06:53,420 To give us a fisting. Yeah, so 884 01:06:54,460 --> 01:06:55,740 Could I 885 01:06:55,740 --> 01:06:57,740 Could I quickly? 886 01:06:57,740 --> 01:07:04,620 Dive back to the wolves just to talk a little bit about I just because I love I love lehman's original story of how he was 887 01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:06,780 Found by the emperor. Oh god 888 01:07:07,420 --> 01:07:10,300 It was oh, it was it's just my favorite thing ever 889 01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:16,140 So, you know the emperor was being odin so he took the guise of a you know old wizened man 890 01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:20,300 He shows up to lehman as he's you know, he's the king of fenris 891 01:07:21,100 --> 01:07:23,820 And he's uh reveals himself and he challenges him 892 01:07:23,820 --> 01:07:29,340 Uh to contest because liam's like i'm not just gonna serve you you gotta prove prove that you're worth it 893 01:07:30,060 --> 01:07:34,860 Uh, so, you know the emperor, you know, he wins the first couple of challenges, you know, no sweat 894 01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:41,180 He's the emperor and then they get to an eating and a drinking contest and the emperor simply cannot win 895 01:07:41,980 --> 01:07:47,420 Uh because lehman is going full viking. He is too good at eating and drinking 896 01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:50,860 The emperor's like what what's going on? I can't I can't win 897 01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:56,380 Uh, and as lehman is laughing and gloating he just clocks him on the head and knocks lehman out 898 01:07:57,500 --> 01:08:01,980 I like and then it's something along the lines of he's like, oh, you're just a fat pig who drinks and eats all day 899 01:08:01,980 --> 01:08:06,860 He's like what and then he goes to like an actual like fighting trial with the emperor going like you 900 01:08:07,420 --> 01:08:09,420 You're you gluttonous 901 01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:12,140 Sitting in your gaming chair 902 01:08:12,140 --> 01:08:19,980 All day, oh my man, you look like the toy repairer from toy story 2 903 01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:24,380 Yeah, he was a cool guy 904 01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:31,180 Bro, that scene where he actually repairs woody is still pretty elite, but I love that scene, but he's still an absolutely amazing 905 01:08:31,340 --> 01:08:33,340 He's just like no 906 01:08:35,420 --> 01:08:38,220 Uh, what a weird twist of toy story 2 907 01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:43,100 There's a wall hammer crossover. Oh, wait for buzz lightyear to get his own space marine chapter 908 01:08:44,140 --> 01:08:46,140 See people paint him in that style 909 01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:49,180 It actually looks really good 910 01:08:50,140 --> 01:08:55,900 Uh, but uh, we'll cover the star rangers or whatever they were called that chapter later 911 01:08:57,420 --> 01:09:01,980 For now it is time for the legions, uh, the seventh legion the imperial fists 912 01:09:02,940 --> 01:09:04,940 Uh, their primarch is of course 913 01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:08,080 Rogaldorn the one and only and as a quick side note 914 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,640 I know some people say the fists are rather boring and I get where it comes from 915 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,960 But I don't know. I like them although admittedly 916 01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,280 I like them largely because of how I play strategy games 917 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,640 Uh one the thing they're most famed for is 918 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:29,680 Fortifying the ever-loving like hell out of everything they go fortify fortify fortify fortify. Yeah 919 01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:35,840 See see see as someone who is allergic to aggressive gameplay in a strategy game. I appreciate that 920 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,280 I i'm a big fan of just turdling and fortifying until no one can bother me in my little corner of the map 921 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,760 unfallen pilled 922 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:51,200 I love I love my trees. Eli. What can I say? My man would not make it in competitive age of empires 923 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:54,160 Nah, babies are coming to eat you alive 924 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:58,400 Not if I grow not if you get caught by pirates in your first sector 925 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,400 uh 926 01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,640 To get away from endless space 927 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,240 Uh, the second reason I like them is that the fists they're reliable 928 01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:15,040 With their gene seed, it's actually very stable. There's not really any mutations about the only thing they've lost over time 929 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:21,920 Is the betcher's gland so they can't spit acid which given that most of the time space marines have a helmet 930 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,800 Doesn't really matter 931 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,600 That would only be harmful to them to be using that like 99.9 percent of the time 932 01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:34,720 And the sus and membrane among us will reveal sound effect 933 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:36,720 which 934 01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:38,720 keeps them from entering like 935 01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:42,000 Hibernation stasis mode whatever however you want to think it is 936 01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:47,040 Uh, and even beyond that when they show up, you know what you're gonna get you're gonna get the experts in fortification 937 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:52,240 They're gonna build the best damn fortress you ever seen and they're gonna go crusade and beat the hell out of everyone around them 938 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,480 um, which again influenced by my strategy game, uh 939 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:05,040 likings and tactics, but I like the classic reliable you have this, you know exactly what you're gonna get and that's what the fists were they were 940 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,160 not the most uh 941 01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:10,080 perhaps like the most 942 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:15,520 I don't know glamorous tool in the shed, but they're reliable, you know what's going on and you're gonna get good results with them 943 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,000 like a trowel 944 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:22,560 Yeah, and you can build a hell of a fortress with a trowel as long as you have long enough 945 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:29,760 Uh as for what they are what they what they are what they are what they were like what they were doing 946 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,600 early on 947 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,520 As with all other legions, they would uh start on terra 948 01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:43,440 Uh, unlike the other ones though, uh, the fists were not really drawn from a specific location or type of terran people 949 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,000 They drew from terra as a whole 950 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,880 uh to the point that even if like say, I don't know let's say 951 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:54,400 I hive merica or whatever. They call the us like merica 952 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:59,360 In 40k is like say that's belongs mostly to one space marine legion 953 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,400 Fists are still gonna they're still gonna scoop a little bit under uh on the side a couple of those recruits 954 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:10,480 Even if say it that belongs to the dark angels or ultramarines or something like we uh, we're gonna we're gonna take some of these 955 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:17,520 Uh about the only commonality major commonality between the fist recruits is that they were 956 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:24,560 Uh endurance, uh focused so they're gonna they're going to see the job until it was done no matter what 957 01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:30,720 And they're rather test turned in nature. Uh, is there anyone you ever watched dragon balls? Are you abridged? 958 01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:34,000 Oh my god, it's been a whole minute 959 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,920 Do you know the joke about tian? Although I was like I can never read that guy 960 01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,920 I don't know 961 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,080 That's I don't know that's what when I was reading that's the image I got in my head for the fists 962 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:50,880 So they're like very taciturn stern go about their job and that's about it 963 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,240 That's that's the image you got in my head for them. They're permanently squinting 964 01:12:54,240 --> 01:13:04,000 I don't know why it's such a clean east wood. Oh, they built clinton for a second. He's like oh I need to do some 965 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,320 I built some formications. I don't know what 966 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,840 I don't I didn't draw that connection 967 01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:18,640 The reason for them being taken from like all across the planet isn't completely known 968 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:24,800 But the process of implanting their gene seed was apparently incredibly painful and just inflicted great suffering on 969 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,440 You know the implante 970 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:31,440 So it could have been a way of just hedging their bets as it were so it's like listen 971 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:35,680 A lot of you are going to die going through this. So if we just take everyone we can 972 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,520 Someone won't die at least a couple of you aren't going to die from this horribly invasive procedure 973 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,800 A bit more poetic example 974 01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,800 Reason could be you know their terrors legion they draw from all across terra 975 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,920 If you'd like to be a bit more poetic about it a bit more reasonable is that yeah 976 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,920 Just killed so many people they got to take what they can get 977 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:03,120 They went across terra and as all the space marine legions well not all of them but many of them 978 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,920 Did uh had some great victories under their belt 979 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:13,120 The when I was reading something that was briefly mentioned a single sentence was the battle for the crystal sea the imperial fists won 980 01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:18,000 Which couldn't find any detail on it beyond the name, but hey, it sounds really cool 981 01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,120 So whatever you might imagine that is the imperial fists got a dub there 982 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:26,480 And they even fought in the himalayans themselves around the capital of the emperor's realm 983 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,280 Or the himalayas as they call them in 40k for some reason 984 01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:37,280 I just realized you said crystal sea there's no more oceans left on terra. So where the hell was that? 985 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,240 I'm guessing maybe it was some 986 01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,760 Psycher thing it's one of those 40k lore things like damn that sounds cool 987 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,400 I wish it was more than just a sentence 988 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,720 I need a cool name something uh checks list 989 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,360 Something just discount names or something 990 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:57,760 And uh the the one that I took biggest note from was in the himalayas where they fought against a group of psykers 991 01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,760 It took some pretty heavy losses 992 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:05,440 But proved victorious which is a testament to their endurance they I mean they fought against 993 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:09,840 Magicians and the imperial fists are fortifiers and crusaders not 994 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,080 Really known for their uh 995 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:18,800 Labyrinths and whatnot and they still prove they're still proved victorious despite the uh the onslaught of evil wizards, so 996 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,040 they're uh 997 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,040 They're very good at what they do 998 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,040 And frequently they would employ themselves at many times the strength of like 999 01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:32,720 You know the average chapter and I know their legions, but chapters were still groups during the legions 1000 01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:36,240 It was just like a subgroup of a legion 1001 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,600 They would deploy themselves a many time not quite full strength but close to it 1002 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:46,720 To make sure that whatever they're fighting it's gone. It's not going to be a problem for long 1003 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:54,160 Just completely crush them and they did uh they did sure enough set up many fortresses across terra 1004 01:15:54,720 --> 01:16:00,320 But unlike what you might think they did not man them for very long because something people forget about the imperial fists 1005 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:04,320 Especially compared to their 40k incarnation. They were crusaders 1006 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,120 They didn't just sit behind their walls 1007 01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:11,760 They built they built them made sure they were garrisoned and then went out to the next conquest 1008 01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:17,680 Because the fortresses were as much a fortress as they were a message. It was this great looming thing 1009 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,080 Stowering over the people they recently conquered as a message of hey 1010 01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,720 We're going to come back if you do not if you don't behave 1011 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:32,400 so the imperial fists were perhaps not as good as you know lorgar her gilliman and 1012 01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,760 Like things like diplomacy and making sure people get the uh 1013 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:43,680 Brought over to their side, but if push comes to shove they can uh they can they can make a good threat when they really need to 1014 01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,200 And the castle's a damn good threat if I say so myself 1015 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,080 Oh, pardon me 1016 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:53,120 And their name even comes from their actions here with the 1017 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:59,280 Fortress and whatnot people said it was a as if the emperor descended upon the land and clamped it with an unbreakable fists 1018 01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,720 Which is where he gave them their name the imperial fists 1019 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:07,680 And I do have to say that imperial fists does sound cooler than the unbreakable fists 1020 01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,680 I don't know. How do you guys feel about that? 1021 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,720 Just flows off the tongue a little bit better. I feel like sounds like a monk subclass in dnd or something 1022 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:19,520 Yeah, it's like it flows off the tongue a bit better imperial fists. I feel like now 1023 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:25,280 I know the story behind it does sound better, but when it first hits you like imperial fist doesn't really 1024 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:29,760 I mean black templars hit a little bit harder than just imperial fist 1025 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:34,080 But now that I kind of know how it originates it sounds a little bit like oh 1026 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,960 little more hardcore 1027 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,000 That's fair 1028 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:44,080 I do also like the uh, there's like a bit. I remember reading a while back about during the unification wars 1029 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:49,360 There they were said that the imperial fist bodies were part of like the foundations of the fortifications 1030 01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:54,720 They built so like when someone would fall they would build around their like body and it's like we are in the walls 1031 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,600 We're literally in the walls. That's how fortify we are and it blesses our buildings 1032 01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,120 Sacrifice oh, they're pretty hardcore 1033 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:09,360 And that's even fitting because a lot of times they were called the bedrock of the imperium considered as such as it were 1034 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,520 Very fitting who are fortifying the like button whilst listening to this 1035 01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,840 A chance they fortify the light button to fair in any any opportunity is needed 1036 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,840 Fortify the like button and lay siege to the subscribe button. They see the subscribe button doing 1037 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,640 When the emperor gave them the name imperial fists 1038 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,920 They accepted it in a manner very fitting to themselves 1039 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:40,080 Silently with little to say in the manner and they're like, thank you biggie for the name. We're gonna go off and shoot someone again 1040 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:45,520 And now the fists are off. Terra is largely conquered 1041 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:49,440 And uh, it's time to do what that issue of the primarchs who again 1042 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:55,920 Theirs as with all except one of the others alpharius, I guess was hiding in a cabinet somewhere on terra the whole time 1043 01:18:57,360 --> 01:18:59,360 Uh, and then the other one 1044 01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,880 Alpharius, I guess was hiding in a cabinet somewhere on terra the whole time 1045 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:11,360 Uh, they had to go get him back after they were stolen away by the chaos gods and or their mother who thought biggie was a bit of a dickhead 1046 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,400 Depending on whether or not you want to acknowledge urda 1047 01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:22,640 Uh, and so the great crusade for the fists had the same objectives as most of the other legions conquered the galaxy for humanity 1048 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,120 and find their primarch 1049 01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,120 and they set about 1050 01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:34,000 And I believe it was if you do please correct me on this but after several decades they found roguldorn on 1051 01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:36,240 Inuit he was the seventh primarch found 1052 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,840 Which a seventh primarch for the seventh legion 1053 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,880 And they found him 1054 01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:46,160 Along with you know, the emperor and whatnot. He came to go find his kid 1055 01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:52,480 And what would soon become their fortress monastery and almost their second home world 1056 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:57,680 The massive dark age station known as the phalanx was given to the fists and roguldorn 1057 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,600 So they're coming together pretty swiftly as we know them 1058 01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,320 Uh from 40k, they've got the phalanx their terrors legion 1059 01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:12,640 They uh, I feel like more than a couple of the others kind of took shape into what they would become in 40k 1060 01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,200 quicker than a lot of the other legions 1061 01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,200 Uh, not quite the same but 1062 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:23,600 But for the uh audio listeners, can you describe slightly what the phalanx looks like? There's card to 1063 01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,440 You've seen it in like battle fleet gothic if you know what I mean 1064 01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:30,240 Yeah, it's 1065 01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,080 Massive doesn't even begin to cover it 1066 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:39,920 It is this unbelievably gargantuan space station from like I said the dark age of technology when stuff was just just straight up better 1067 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,080 so it had the 1068 01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:48,080 Best equipment the best guns the best shields the best armor plating the best of anything you could possibly want on a space station 1069 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:52,800 And it's basically so big that I believe even when they were a legion 1070 01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:58,640 Just the astartes wouldn't be able to man all of it because I again I cannot understate enough 1071 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,280 How damn big the phalanx is it is it looks like a 1072 01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,560 like a cross 1073 01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:12,720 Church, doesn't it sort of design but then it's a little bit death starry in terms of that's that's 1074 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:17,360 Yeah, by 40k like when it makes its appearance in battle fleet gothic 1075 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:22,480 It's like it's a massive like round big space station with cathedrals on it. I just don't wonder 1076 01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:29,440 I think I've once described it to a friend of mine is imagine the holy roman empire as a ship just put the entire 1077 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:35,600 Pretty good way of putting that combine it stick it together and it's floating in space and it's got big spires 1078 01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:41,200 And it's got more guns and more docking ports than anything. It's the biggest ship ever and it's pretty cool 1079 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,280 Look look at a map of germany in the middle ages and then just put it in the sky 1080 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,640 Now imagine some hapsburg chin looking mother 1081 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:57,760 Robin is you know inbred chin and being like that looks like a nice spaceship you got there, you know 1082 01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:04,480 I mean, they say that roguel dorn's continued survival confused the imperium at large 1083 01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:08,960 I love that bit about charles 2 of spain his uncle was his 1084 01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:17,120 Cousin was his dad. I I we do not have time to get into habsburg genetics. You need a phd to figure that out 1085 01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:21,680 Well, it's not really a tree. It's more of a circle, but uh, yeah, it's a family christmas wreath 1086 01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:26,240 Uh, but hey, they found their prime arc, uh, and it's about to 1087 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:33,120 Scale up on operations because I believe it was I've read for 16 decades roguel dorn led the imperial fists 1088 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,600 Which in case that slips by you 1089 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:41,760 That's 160 years of the galaxy getting a good fist in uh from roguel dorn and his children 1090 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,120 Uh 1091 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,200 Hey yo 1092 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,400 That was a hell of a sentence. Yep 1093 01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:56,560 so he uh, he accepted his legion he came about took charge and it was time to 1094 01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,840 Do what the fists were known for galaxy wide 1095 01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:05,120 Uh his their reputation as the stalwart defenders and crusaders of mankind would 1096 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,680 Only get out or only blow up from here 1097 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:16,160 Uh, something I really took note. Uh, I really found interesting was that a horse himself 1098 01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:20,880 Uh at one point was know that saying if he ever had to attack the imperial fists like in a war 1099 01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,120 He would not win 1100 01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:28,960 Uh, he would say that the fists were simply so good at fortifying defending locations that it would be a never-ending stalemate 1101 01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:36,400 Uh something along the lines of the masters of defense versus the master of like shock attacks and it would just be a stalemate 1102 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,520 Yeah, it would it would be an endless meat grinder for eternity 1103 01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,160 Uh, and of course something 1104 01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:47,520 I feel I should remind people that in the defensive war a tie is a victory for the defender 1105 01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:53,120 Which essentially means horse could not win. He would not achieve victory. He would lose 1106 01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:58,240 Uh, because the defender just has to sit behind the walls and wait for the attacker to die or go away 1107 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,920 So as far as i'm concerned, that means roguel dorn would be able to beat horse if push came to shove 1108 01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:11,120 Uh do with that what you will that's just that one is a bit more of me saying that but horse saying I could not beat him 1109 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:17,040 That is canon like andy said the masters of defense versus the masters of offense and shock assault 1110 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:24,480 Uh a further note is that despite this reputation they have for being just stalwart and reliable in their conquests 1111 01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:27,440 they weren't 1112 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:32,560 Like they weren't brain dead. It wasn't like it's like i'm going to build a siege and if the siege doesn't turn out it's like well 1113 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,040 Guess we're done here call another legion 1114 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,520 It's like no they were not completely immune to you know flashes of inspiration like wait 1115 01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,240 We should actually do this. This would be a much better plan 1116 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:50,720 Which in my mind is what really differentiated them from the ultramarines who they're also renowned for being quite disciplined to be able to follow 1117 01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:52,720 battle plans to the letter 1118 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:54,080 uh 1119 01:24:54,080 --> 01:25:00,400 The way I think of it is for example, you know the ultramarines they're probably going to be able to execute a battle plan better than the fists ever could 1120 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:04,960 But when something comes up that the ultramarines do not have a plan for 1121 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,800 Maybe they've not lost the war but they're definitely going to lose that battle 1122 01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,520 Uh, it's not going as the simulation said 1123 01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,720 So the ultramarines are going to lose or it's the fists 1124 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:16,800 maybe uh 1125 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:20,800 It'll hurt but they they could have one trick up their sleeve to attain victory 1126 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,720 They might pull something out of the out of their sleeves be like hey, I can uh, I can do this 1127 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:30,800 What's up? I mean there there is an interesting parallel with that example like you got alexis polex who was a captain 1128 01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:34,480 Who during the horus heresy was extremely good at naval warfare? 1129 01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:40,640 Uh, he was somewhat mentored by his predecessor to be like, oh he's unconventional, but he's got a good idea 1130 01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:46,960 Whereas the ultramarines aeonid fiel was being marked for censure for thinking outside the box and in a similar instance 1131 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:52,000 he only helped the ultramarines survive that encounter by breaking the rules and 1132 01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:58,160 Doing his own thing and they were both very much in a similar rank in a similar position and a similar environment 1133 01:25:58,320 --> 01:25:59,200 uh 1134 01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:03,200 The methodology changed, you know, alexis polex dies off screen 1135 01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,200 I know 1136 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:13,200 We're not there yet, don't worry that's a bit of a spoiler there's also it's not a spoiler though because it's not in the book 1137 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:21,840 There's a good comparison with the ultramarines here as well where the imperial fist as well as the ultramarines had a section 1138 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,640 of the legion that was filled with 1139 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,960 uh, I guess 1140 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,600 members who didn't really necessarily fit the overall legion culture, so 1141 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:36,160 the example in the imperial fist ones would be the soldiers who would eventually become 1142 01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,160 Like the black templars which are like the ones like sigismund which uh, yeah 1143 01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,880 They're essentially the really the ones who are not like they were they're okay defending 1144 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:50,560 But they were there's a section of the imperial fist like i'm definitely okay with going on the offensive here and a bit more 1145 01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,040 Kind of like dawn's attack dogs if you know 1146 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:59,520 Yeah, and that matches up with like the reputation they're getting they're not just defenders. They're crusaders. They go out and conquer 1147 01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,560 especially like they said the sigismund and the templar brethren 1148 01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:07,680 uh thinking the imperial fists are only good at like shooting and hunkering behind walls is uh 1149 01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:12,000 Was probably the last thought of many a planet who thought they could take them before sigismund 1150 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:16,000 tore ass through their front line and shoved a power sword into their head 1151 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,960 It's also crazy that they had I think the imperial fist despite having what would be like the most 1152 01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:23,440 generic 1153 01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:29,840 Generic slash safest gene seed in terms of like other legions had specialties and like boosts 1154 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:36,560 That they got like each warrior got from their gene seed the imperial fist didn't have that but yet they produced some of the best 1155 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,040 warriors in terms of 1156 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,040 actual combat like even that 1157 01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,040 Sigismund is literally considered the best space marine who's ever lived in terms of combat. He was literally 1158 01:27:45,580 --> 01:27:47,580 undefeatable and he killed pretty much 1159 01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:50,240 every one year 1160 01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,640 And they have the coolest excessive chapters 1161 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,400 They do 1162 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,840 Unfortunately, uh, you don't think the nova marines are cool 1163 01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:00,960 Okay 1164 01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:12,000 I was trying to make a joke about the bargain brand ultramarines and I said the wrong good old gemisys good old raspberries gotta love them 1165 01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,280 Also, everyone is racist and 40k. That's not a standout 1166 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,280 Yeah 1167 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,560 It's all right we hate zenos here, all right 1168 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,360 I love jeans. You're about to do 1169 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,920 Yeah 1170 01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,280 And yeah, I hate zenos, which is everyone other than necrons 1171 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:41,920 That's fair necrons are more like, you know, like appliances they're like like a laptop so like a toaster 1172 01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:43,920 Hey 1173 01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,880 You will suffer a celestial or are you to the face for such comments 1174 01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,560 Uh, but yeah the fist they 1175 01:28:54,960 --> 01:29:00,640 They were like the whole point of what I was going to they were they're not a one-trick pony. They can fight perfectly fine 1176 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:05,760 Uh, something else fitting is uh, some roguel dorn even was criticizing alpharius for 1177 01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:11,600 He's not unaware of other methods of war than you know fortress building in a crusading assault 1178 01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,320 Pardon me 1179 01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:18,960 Uh at one point he chews out alpharius for using just horrible tactics 1180 01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,600 but he does it by alpharius his own standards like because alpharius had just 1181 01:29:24,240 --> 01:29:26,160 basically killed an entire 1182 01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,160 noble population of a planet at once 1183 01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,720 And roguel dorn instead of being like, oh you should have bunkered behind a wall and laid siege 1184 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:38,080 He was like listen by your own metrics you messed up because there were infinitely more effective like 1185 01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:41,520 Surgical strikes and tactics you could have done to get this done 1186 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:46,000 But you chose to go for the shock value of like gonna kill everyone at once 1187 01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:52,800 Which maybe yeah it worked but it was the most inefficient costly unnecessarily brutal way you could have gone about it 1188 01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:57,760 So it's not that he doesn't understand like he yeah, he's a living brick wall roguel dorn 1189 01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:02,080 But I think it's fair to say he's choosing to specialize in what he knows best 1190 01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:08,320 Rather than just being unable to do other methods of warfare. I think also ethically he says 1191 01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,840 Because that's a really good scene with alpharius 1192 01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:17,520 I think he also states that the reason he chooses to fight the way he does in the imperial fists do 1193 01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:19,840 was because 1194 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,600 Whoever they fight they choose to fight their warriors their soldiers 1195 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:29,280 So they don't kill like innocents and things like that. They essentially they're you know, they literally are two 1196 01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:36,320 Empires clashing and warriors fighting each other. So they're they're fighting people willing to step up and actually take the role of being a soldier 1197 01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:41,040 Not people who were not involved in that, you know, what we know in a dishonorable way 1198 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,000 So they even though maybe more people would die 1199 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:46,640 But there are people who are willing to actually 1200 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,480 You know, I mean like put their life on the line rather than people who didn't want to be involved 1201 01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,640 Mm-hmm 1202 01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:53,840 Yeah, they were 1203 01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:55,840 And the roguelone was definitely one of the 1204 01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,200 more morally upstanding of the primarchs, uh 1205 01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:04,560 granted not not the hardest bar to pass, uh for what that's worth, but he 1206 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,840 usually did not uh 1207 01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:12,000 Just blow his way into civilian compounds as a way to achieve victory because it'd be quicker 1208 01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:15,360 Like you said he fought warriors of other empires. He wasn't 1209 01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,080 Going to you know a refugee center and blowing it to hell because it was more efficient than not 1210 01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:24,160 Uh and 1211 01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:25,920 Where was I? 1212 01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,800 Ah, pardon me. Uh, I would say it also I also think it makes sense that he knows about all the other methods of war 1213 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:32,320 Because if you want to build a fortress 1214 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:36,080 It's more than just four walls in a square and then you're done. You got to know weak points 1215 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,360 You don't know how the enemy could get in methods of keeping it supplied 1216 01:31:39,360 --> 01:31:45,200 I think it makes sense that roguelone isn't just alt siege or fortify fortify fortify. He's got 1217 01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,680 He's got more to him than just that 1218 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:51,040 He just chooses to specialize in fortifications and whatnot 1219 01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:57,760 Uh as for a bit more on the chris the christs the imperial fists and their crusading the chris 1220 01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:03,760 Chris have you ever met my friend imperial chris imperial chris any one dude 1221 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:09,680 It's he's one of the he's one of the lesser known captains of the fists the imperial chris 1222 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:14,640 Why is it the name chris makes no sense in a walhamer setting? There's no one called chris in walhamer 1223 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,120 I swear 1224 01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,120 You get chris tofs, but not chris 1225 01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:26,240 Is just chris i've had jordan like how jarring that would be like horus abaddon chris 1226 01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,240 chris ezekiel 1227 01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:34,080 We'd never get like I mean no you you get elijanus, but you wouldn't get a colin and your house. I say yeah 1228 01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:35,440 It wouldn't happen 1229 01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,440 the colmarine 1230 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,240 Colin would just I don't know what legion that would go in though 1231 01:32:41,020 --> 01:32:42,960 smurfs 1232 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,960 Put me in the blueberries 1233 01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:47,440 Colin or alias 1234 01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:49,760 That ain't too bad 1235 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,200 uh, but 1236 01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:57,600 As for how he led his legion and how they would act doran was uh, not the kind of guy to push his legion 1237 01:32:57,920 --> 01:32:59,680 In places he wouldn't go 1238 01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:05,760 He demanded perfection and like not not in the way fulgrum did but he demanded they give it their all and do it 1239 01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:12,800 Right, but that's because he demanded that of himself and he wasn't uh, he wasn't putting additional expectations on to his sons 1240 01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:17,440 As I think the best way to put it he wasn't asking them anything more than he asked himself 1241 01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:23,840 Uh, he did ask them to give everything they had but he was right there alongside with them, uh giving them their all 1242 01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:26,880 um and 1243 01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,560 He was also a bit of an idealist. He firmly believed in the emperor's vision 1244 01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:33,680 He thought this was generally the best way to go for humanity 1245 01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:38,800 So he wasn't just crusading for the sake of war and bloodshed and conquest. He generally was like 1246 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:44,000 This is what we need to do to create the safest best future for humanity 1247 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,760 Uh granted this was not always seen 1248 01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:53,280 Uh, especially his attitude towards his brothers because he was if he had any major flaw 1249 01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,320 It was his complete and utter lack of people skills 1250 01:33:57,200 --> 01:33:59,680 Uh, he did not know how to talk to his brothers 1251 01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:03,600 I believe he probably he did wanted to know or he didn't know what he wanted to say 1252 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:08,880 He could not get it out. He did not have horuses or sinquinius's or you know, gillamins charisma 1253 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:13,760 Uh, he was a living brick wall. I think all the imperial frists were very much just 1254 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:20,320 Uh, like they're they're perfect soldiers not exactly more than that at this point 1255 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:25,760 Although I think that one day, you know the after the great crusade and dawn's uh, ideal world 1256 01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:32,880 And they also follow their their dad's example to a t because again dawn was like, oh he had no ambitions to become a war master 1257 01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:36,240 He was just like i'm just going to do what the emperor says i'm going to do compliances 1258 01:34:36,240 --> 01:34:41,760 Is job done enough said and his sons were like yes. Yes father. That is very good. Yes. I will do the same 1259 01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,000 glory to the imperium 1260 01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:45,520 Yeah, and it's like 1261 01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:52,080 It's one it's probably his biggest like foil to perturabo. You know the the traitorous siege and that kind of warfare expert 1262 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,400 You know perturabo wanted more credit and glory and stuff 1263 01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:59,200 He wanted better jobs than just grinding through the muck. Whereas 1264 01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:04,240 I'm willing to bet that if like the emperor came down to rogaldor in the fist and was like hey 1265 01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,240 I need you for the next 10 years 1266 01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:10,720 You just you just got to be a janitor. You just got to clean space stations for 10 years 1267 01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:14,960 They'd be like well, yeah, this is what the emperor needs and uh, that is the end of the argument 1268 01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:19,680 I don't know if you're going to mention it as well, but um, even when whore when war 1269 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:22,400 When horus was appointed as war master 1270 01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:28,720 He basically was he would counsel with rogaldorn specifically because he was like I can trust rogall to like 1271 01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:33,200 figure out where my weaknesses are and he's a great advisor because he's not going to try and like 1272 01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:39,040 Sugar my my authority. He's not going to detract. He's just going to go this could improve that could improve 1273 01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,120 That's good. And he'll just leave it as it is. Like that's that's pretty and again. He was very supportive 1274 01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,160 He was like, yes, you are a good war master. I'll do do my bit 1275 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:48,240 Until it all went wrong 1276 01:35:48,240 --> 01:35:54,160 And sure enough that was pretty much his reaction when horus was uh crowned as the war master between the fists and 1277 01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:59,520 Rogaldor and there wasn't any like vying like damn I should have got that or it wasn't like yeah 1278 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,120 Horus is the best guy for the job. He's like well the emperor made it so 1279 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,920 That is the end of the discussion as far as I care. Horus is war master 1280 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:14,800 I'm gonna keep doing my job and help him out when he requires it. Can I also mention an interesting tidbit about the actual 1281 01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:21,840 Legion that of course as we met as colin mentioned earlier, they kind of drew from everywhere on terror 1282 01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:23,520 they actually 1283 01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,760 interesting enough continued this practice into the great crusade where 1284 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:29,760 they would draw even though 1285 01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:35,360 Rogaldor was found on the planet of Inuit and many legionaries were drawn from there such as 1286 01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:38,560 Big crimson fist boy Alexis Pollock 1287 01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:42,720 They actually would draw from many other worlds throughout the 1288 01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:50,240 Entire imperium such worlds they conquered so they would famously have legionaries from necromunda, which is essentially 1289 01:36:51,200 --> 01:36:56,160 Almost like a gang hive world, which is scum planet. Yeah, there's like a game 1290 01:36:56,160 --> 01:37:01,680 game mode in warhammer, which is just set in necromunda as a tabletop game and 1291 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:08,080 So the the imperials would draw from many different worlds. So the actual makeup of the legions like 1292 01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,880 general culture 1293 01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:12,960 was pretty like 1294 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:17,120 It was his own thing rather than it was like the white scars we said earlier 1295 01:37:17,120 --> 01:37:21,440 Well, they kind of like oh it's basically chagorias or the space was a basically fenris. This was 1296 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:23,920 No, no, it's the imperial fist like their own thing 1297 01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:30,880 You know like a knightly order sort of style. Yeah, and it's uh, it kind of reflects in how they would the way they would 1298 01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,600 Administer worlds in a way because they essentially 1299 01:37:36,480 --> 01:37:38,960 Didn't for lack of a better word. So when they conquered a world, you know 1300 01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:43,760 They would do as they did on terra set up grand fortresses and make sure they had garrisons and whatnot 1301 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:49,920 And they would occasionally like recruit from it like I think there was one and since I read where they took 1302 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:52,480 half of an under hives 1303 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,480 Like male population 1304 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,400 To try out for fist recruitment, which I think was one of those things 1305 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:03,200 I don't think gw realized just how many people were going to become fist with that because they should have been the largest legion by 1306 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:09,120 A long shot with half of an under hives worth of people even if like 90 of them die and wash out 1307 01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:11,520 That's still a lot of people like billions 1308 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:13,520 but 1309 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:18,480 Beyond that once they set up fortresses and took like the one-time manpower boost they had 1310 01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,120 They would leave because again crusaders 1311 01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:26,400 That's something I really want to emphasize because people you know, they give the imperial fist they sit behind a wall and wait 1312 01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,080 They were especially in the 30th millennium. They were crusaders 1313 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:36,960 They went out and conquered and they didn't really claim anything as strictly speaking like imperial fist territory 1314 01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:39,440 like other legions when they would uh 1315 01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:44,000 You know conquer it. They'd be like this is my planet to get tides from for space marines 1316 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:49,040 It belongs to the imperium, but it also belongs to me my legion the imperial fists were like 1317 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:52,560 Give me the recruits. I need to make up for the losses in the campaign 1318 01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:56,960 Uh, you belong to the imperium. We're off. Don't rebel or we're gonna be back 1319 01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,080 I do also like that they when they do recruitment 1320 01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:04,320 They're not stuck up about who they recruit. They're like if you're an under hive ganger you can join 1321 01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:08,080 It's like if you have the grit and determination you can be an imperial fist and they have like a 1322 01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:12,160 Long history of they take the gutter trash and they make them into noble 1323 01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:15,040 Astartes and that's like a big thing for them was like 1324 01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:19,520 You're you're more than you think you are. So we're gonna make you the best. It's not gonna be pretty 1325 01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,960 It's gonna take a lot of work. It's gonna take a lot of discipline, but we'll make you into an astartes 1326 01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:24,960 And I think that's quite cool about them as well 1327 01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:27,360 Yeah, they were uh, they 1328 01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,480 They were definitely not stuck up about their recruiting practices 1329 01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:34,320 They took who they felt was the best be it an under hive ganger like you said 1330 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:39,680 The if a noble really wanted to be a fist they'd probably let him in too if uh, if he could 1331 01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:41,440 stick it out 1332 01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:47,760 And then they were on to the next crusade for 160 years this continued on building these fortresses moving on 1333 01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:49,520 and 1334 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:55,200 Just expanding the emperor's realm because again, they felt across the legion from dorne to the average grunt 1335 01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,440 They were idealists. They felt this was the best 1336 01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:00,480 Future they were making for humanity 1337 01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:06,720 There's even a quote roegl dorne said himself that kind of reflects this that he wants recruits not vassals 1338 01:40:06,720 --> 01:40:08,720 It's part of why he doesn't like 1339 01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:13,600 Create an imperial fists mini empire within the imperium itself. He's like I want recruits 1340 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,000 I don't want a nation of serfs and slaves 1341 01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,840 Skill issue on roegl dorne's part 1342 01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:27,200 Oh, please what's the difference you're still a serf for the imperium now, it's just the fists don't get to benefit 1343 01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:29,120 sure 1344 01:40:29,120 --> 01:40:30,640 although 1345 01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,680 Along this I do have a quote I felt 1346 01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:40,320 Quite fitting that i'll bring up in a moment. Uh one crucial trait of dorne's that would spread throughout his legion 1347 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:43,200 Is that he viewed pain as a cleansing tool? 1348 01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:51,040 I know it's a frequently, you know portrayed in a joking manner, especially think of it like in tts the pain glove 1349 01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:58,640 Where it feels like your body is submerged in like liquid fire and napalm and it's just incredibly pain and torturous 1350 01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:04,480 This would uh when they got roegl dorne back. This would spread something else throughout imperial fist culture that 1351 01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:09,520 Pain isn't just you know, ouch that hurts. It's a method of cleansing the body of weakness 1352 01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:13,360 God, they really do take it seriously don't they the flagellation? 1353 01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,360 Yeah, which uh 1354 01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,240 Do not take that to heart for the real world. These are imperial fist crusaders for the love of god 1355 01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:22,240 That's not how it works in reality 1356 01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,360 Uh, no, well, I mean unless you're a real person 1357 01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:30,560 I mean unless you're working out no pain no gain then but otherwise do not be like the fists in this regard 1358 01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,360 Uh, and uh, I have a quote 1359 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,320 Hal you uh 1360 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,320 I'm ready if you want me to read it 1361 01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:39,520 Indeed 1362 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:46,800 Uh, yeah, it was hal and elia read the last yeah hal a quote for in general you wouldn't mind from roegli dorne himself 1363 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,520 roeglius adonius 1364 01:41:52,160 --> 01:41:54,160 Do not look at the world 1365 01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:58,960 Do not look to us for kindness do not look to us for hope 1366 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:04,960 We are not the kind children of this new age. We are the rocks of his foundation 1367 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:08,400 If you wish hope then look to what we make 1368 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,880 If you wish kindness then look to those who will come after us 1369 01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,240 Yeah, so 1370 01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:20,320 What's up? It's all very future future building future focus indeed 1371 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:27,120 And that was another thing along with roegli dorne's idealism and like you're saying like they're the perfect soldiers. Like you said hal they're 1372 01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:32,880 They're here now to do what the emperor needs them to do. They know that in the future, you know 1373 01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:40,000 If things worked out well for the great crusade in the future, there would eventually be no more wars and whatnot 1374 01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:44,800 But as far as they were concerned, that's that's putting the cart before the horse for now 1375 01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:48,720 Don't look to the imperial fist to be nice and kind and everyone 1376 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:53,360 They were the emperor's crusaders and his militant arm to spread across the galaxy 1377 01:42:53,920 --> 01:43:00,320 Maybe the ultramarines and you know the white scars they can do things like you know practice bureaucracy and you know calligraphy and all that noble stuff 1378 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:06,320 That's not what the fists are here for right now. The emperor needs soldiers and that's what the fists are nothing more nothing less 1379 01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:12,240 Which I think very cool and something the fists don't get credit for too often 1380 01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:15,440 Because people think boring fortify guys and that's the end of it 1381 01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:17,440 And of note 1382 01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:20,000 The emperor clearly agrees with me in some regard 1383 01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:25,920 Because they were the legion chosen to fight alongside the emperor more than any other and he bestowed bestowed 1384 01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:29,440 More honors upon them than any other himself 1385 01:43:30,160 --> 01:43:34,080 So the you know, the imperial fist did not get the most compliances in the galaxy 1386 01:43:34,640 --> 01:43:38,720 Military or diplomatic that was you know, Horace and Gilliman with the most 1387 01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,520 military and diplomatic 1388 01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,080 Conquest respectively 1389 01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:50,160 But the imperial fists got more direct honors from the emperor than any other and they were in many ways his legion 1390 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,040 ignoring, of course the custodians 1391 01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,880 And as the great crusade was nearing its end 1392 01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,280 Not an end foreseen by anyone except maybe the emperor granted but 1393 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:09,040 Nearing its end nonetheless the emperor returned home to terra to work on a project known only to a select few 1394 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:13,600 And of course none of his children because that would be too much the webway project 1395 01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:20,480 Which i'm just going to say right now feel free to yell at me andy a completely futile endeavor to get into the eldar webway 1396 01:44:20,480 --> 01:44:22,480 And claim it for humanity 1397 01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,920 I don't think that would have ever worked out in the best case scenario 1398 01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:29,200 But isn't the logic that chaos can't 1399 01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:31,280 He has to 1400 01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:36,320 They have to win slash get all of humanity under the emperor's back 1401 01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:40,320 Because if they bring humanity into the webway the chaos of gods can't 1402 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,880 Use humanity to corrupt the universe that was that was the logic 1403 01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:49,120 I think the emperor was perhaps discounting the horrible gribblies that live in the webway 1404 01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:54,240 Gribblies that's a good word. No, that's the dark elder of gribblies. I was it is 1405 01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:59,680 I think every character who knows that like the the full final plan just says it's utter hubris 1406 01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:03,440 But he just says I know but like there's just the other options 1407 01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:09,360 Is basically death like we every other yeah, okay, what's your plan? 1408 01:45:10,400 --> 01:45:12,400 Every other timeline 1409 01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:19,440 The other other the other option would have been teaching people about the dangers of chaos and warning them not to listen to the voices in the dark 1410 01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:21,440 Yeah, interesting 1411 01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:26,320 Yeah, why would I do that? Let's just dig a hole into the 1412 01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:30,880 Eldritch tunnel of horrible beings in its side of it. This can't fit 1413 01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:35,280 I don't know something as simple even in our modern day you tell people like don't lick 1414 01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,880 You know, I see like poles outside. So your tongue doesn't stick to it 1415 01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,480 And you know what people still do it because you can't you can't but they'll just go 1416 01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:49,040 Goofy because it's funny. I think there's a difference between licking a frozen pole in winter and 1417 01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:51,600 Damning yourself for all eternity 1418 01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:56,880 He was good enough for error, but he was like right. I'm why not? I'm gonna be silly 1419 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:03,120 I'm gonna do the chaos thing sounds fun. I'm just saying uh half of the empire of man never turned on sigma 1420 01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:07,600 Worked a lot better for him. Nice. That's right shiny gold 1421 01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:14,400 He did have a shiny goat maybe that was the issue the emperor didn't have a warhammer 40 000 cringe 1422 01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,280 but 1423 01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,920 Moving on the the fists alongside 1424 01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:24,160 Their Primarch would along with the emperor return to the throne 1425 01:46:24,160 --> 01:46:27,280 Their Primarch would along with the emperor return to terra 1426 01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:34,480 As they were his legion and they would become its praetorians of terra the home of humanity 1427 01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:37,200 And 1428 01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:42,400 Not only would this exist throughout the rest of the great crusade the horus aorist he bit well into the 41st millennia 1429 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:47,440 Even after you know, the leadens were broken up 10 000 years past the fists 1430 01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,320 Have ever stalwartly remained on terra 1431 01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:57,200 Uh from the end of the great crusade to the modern timeline and the last uh major thing of note they did before 1432 01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,080 Everything goes horribly wrong 1433 01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:07,040 Was they were begin forifying terra as of course its praetorians and rogadorn being the siege expert or the fortification expert 1434 01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:13,040 He is they would create it into not only mankind's capital world, but the ultimate fortress in the galaxy 1435 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,400 And one of the most well defended places 1436 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:22,960 Is in all of the 41st or 30th at this time 30th to the 41st 42nd millennium 1437 01:47:23,520 --> 01:47:25,520 uh invading terra 1438 01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:30,720 Is basically a protracted form of suicide for anyone who might try it 1439 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,840 And that was the imperial fists throughout the great crusade 1440 01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:38,960 Uh, any any questions anything to add anyone? 1441 01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:44,400 I just enjoy the fact that sigismund is still the best by far 1442 01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,840 All the space ring and he's just completely ordinary 1443 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:54,480 Although I do I do like his um his appearance in the rogadorn primarch book where he's like a kind of budding 1444 01:47:55,020 --> 01:48:01,360 Templar and he's not the first and he's like still learning the ropes and there's a duel between a dark angel champion and the 1445 01:48:01,420 --> 01:48:07,920 Templar in charge and the templar losers and he's like oh you could have done this with this and just like the younger sigismund 1446 01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:12,800 And even his own book where it's like he's a he's being attacked by gangs on terra. I think it is and 1447 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:16,160 And I like this. I don't know if it's like the the the like 1448 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,280 Like bar of like metallic whatever it is 1449 01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:24,320 He has is then forged into the black sword or if it's just a parallel but like he has this like chunk of something 1450 01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:29,120 He just like hits them with it and they're like is that is that part of it? I don't know. He's a cool character 1451 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,520 anyway 1452 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:37,920 I think the imperial fist lost a lot of coolness after the horse heresy, which is probably why everyone thinks they're boring 1453 01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:43,200 Yeah, because all their personality went into the successor chapters. That's what they uh, that's that's when all the 1454 01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,800 Like the crusading elements got put in the black templars and whatnot 1455 01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,360 pain, I mean 1456 01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:53,840 Coulund was pretty cool during the war of the beast and then it was like oh the chapter's extinct and then all the 1457 01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:56,240 Successors have to be like, oh I put some in 1458 01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:01,680 Attribute some of your members to rebuild the chapter go on maybe that's maybe that's what ultimately turned them into 1459 01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:07,460 Fortification experts and that was it when 99 999 out of a thousand of them died 1460 01:49:09,220 --> 01:49:13,460 Yeah, you shout out to the beast truly morbidly a beast 1461 01:49:16,580 --> 01:49:18,580 With uh with those that 1462 01:49:19,620 --> 01:49:21,620 amazing closing statement though 1463 01:49:21,860 --> 01:49:23,860 uh, that was the 1464 01:49:24,340 --> 01:49:26,340 fifth sixth and seventh legion 1465 01:49:26,340 --> 01:49:32,020 Uh, the next time we do a timeline episode, we'll obviously be doing the eighth ninth and tenth 1466 01:49:32,500 --> 01:49:38,580 Uh be I think that's night lord blood angels and iron hands, which will be a good episode 1467 01:49:38,980 --> 01:49:43,780 Nice varied one nice little uh a bit of culture slash legion 1468 01:49:44,340 --> 01:49:45,380 love there 1469 01:49:45,380 --> 01:49:49,940 Uh, but that's not the next episode of the beginner to expert next time we will be 1470 01:49:50,660 --> 01:49:53,860 Doing I think it is necrons if i'm not wrong. Yeah 1471 01:49:53,860 --> 01:49:59,940 Yeah, hosted by eli eli gets to talk about necrons for hours and you guys have to sit there 1472 01:50:00,740 --> 01:50:02,740 losers of the war in heaven 1473 01:50:02,820 --> 01:50:04,660 Hey, what do you think? 1474 01:50:04,660 --> 01:50:07,940 Losers of the war in heaven. We won that what are you talking about? 1475 01:50:08,100 --> 01:50:13,700 Uh, what happened who ruled the galaxy for 65 million years and then uh, who rules it now? 1476 01:50:14,900 --> 01:50:19,140 The imperium the imperium. Okay. The big question is who's gonna die out first? 1477 01:50:20,900 --> 01:50:22,900 Yeah 1478 01:50:22,900 --> 01:50:30,180 The necrons already died out their soulless robots. So easy clap. Hey, we won the war in heaven that which is dead may never die 1479 01:50:30,740 --> 01:50:36,340 Yeah, people people who say the necrons won the war in heaven are the same as the people who say yeah 1480 01:50:36,900 --> 01:50:38,900 America won vietnam 1481 01:50:41,140 --> 01:50:44,100 Went afterwards what happened we won the actual war in heaven 1482 01:50:45,300 --> 01:50:46,660 It deserved it 1483 01:50:46,660 --> 01:50:53,400 The the the 41st millennium is a post-heaven society. We need to just put all our faith in the imperium and the omni-sci 1484 01:50:53,540 --> 01:50:55,540 Because we're in a post-heaven 1485 01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:05,060 But that being said though, we hope you all enjoyed this as you can see the arguments already starting for the next episode 1486 01:51:05,620 --> 01:51:11,940 Uh, hope you enjoyed this one. Uh, some of the legions here are pretty there's a bit more depth than you'd ever realize 1487 01:51:11,940 --> 01:51:16,900 So we hope you enjoyed those little extra bits of all that you may not have already known 1488 01:51:17,380 --> 01:51:20,340 And if you were new, hopefully you got a good like 1489 01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:25,540 sort of flavor slash an example and you know understanding of these legions 1490 01:51:26,260 --> 01:51:30,260 Maybe those three aren't your favorite, but you can still find something good within all of them 1491 01:51:30,900 --> 01:51:34,340 Um with that being said though, thank you so much for watching for listening 1492 01:51:34,820 --> 01:51:40,260 Uh, if you can like and subscribe that really helps us and make more content obviously 1493 01:51:40,260 --> 01:51:45,380 Supports all of us talking and making trash warhammer memes and jokes 1494 01:51:46,180 --> 01:51:46,900 so 1495 01:51:46,900 --> 01:51:52,660 Uh, with that being said though, again, thank you so much for listening and we'll catch you on the next one. Peace 1496 01:51:52,740 --> 01:51:55,380 Take care everyone. I love you. Glory to the dynasties 1497 01:51:55,380 --> 01:52:10,420 Even if you're a fleshling, I still love you 1498 01:52:25,380 --> 01:52:27,380 You