Yeah, a lot of his stuff is just, I'm having fun doing it, rather than he's actually trying
to accomplish anything.
He's 100% in the game.
Some people go to Hot Topic to buy edgy clothes, Shobby Spile goes to Hot Topic to turn the
people in Hot Topic in a clothes.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Versus.
I am your host Hal, also known as the Amber King, slash Pancreas does work and I'm here
with my co-host Colin.
We're neither of the debaters and you're already throwing shade, alright.
It makes sense because I'm here with my co-host Colin, who is Pancreas No Work, great channel,
obviously everyone knows that already.
His stuff is really good.
And today will be another Versus episode where we will take on the Gene Fathers, the best
geneticists within the setting.
We have Andy in the blue corner over here.
Hello everyone to Andy.
He'll be representing Mr. Belisarius Call.
The Daddy Beetle.
The guy literally the size of a Primark, he's chonk.
And in the red corner we have Eli with Fabius Bile.
Eli's read his books and he loves it and he's going to show that love today.
First off we'll just ask the contestants how they're feeling.
Andy, how confident are you feeling today?
Your Messiah is with me as he is with everyone, I'll be fine.
Quite confident.
Eli, how are you feeling about Fabius Bile today?
He's the main character of Warhammer 40,000, so I mean come on.
He does have main character syndrome to be fair, he does think he's the main character.
But with that being said, I think boys we're going to hop off straight on into it.
Eli will be up first, telling us about the Clone Lord.
Eli, are you ready?
Yes sir.
And your time begins now.
Nice.
Fabius Bile is the best and greatest and most epic scientist in the entire galaxy.
He's the Man Flayer, the Clone Lord, the Primogenitor and chief apothecary of the Emperor's children
and basically all of Chaos at this point.
He is worshipped as a god by his children that he has created which have become entire
civilizations and societies that are self sustainable and govern themselves.
He has created the New Men which are basically his own version of space marines.
He improves upon the Emperor's work which is apparently not heresy according to Belisarius
calls so I can say that.
And while they may be not quite as heroic and strong as the space marines, they are
fast and cunning and most importantly human.
They retained their humanity and they can reproduce so there's a lot more of them,
you can make a lot more of them for a lot cheaper.
They cost you basically nothing and they're pretty badass as one may say.
He single handedly saved the entire Emperor's children legion from destruction, taking on
many great sacrifices and burdens upon himself.
Chaos unifies around him when he doesn't even try, he doesn't want them to half a
time and they still flock to him because he's just so epic.
He gives us so much chat energy that the Emperor's children just conglomerate around him and
follow him because he's a natural born leader.
He enhanced the entire legion of the Emperor's children back in the day and basically single
handedly caused their entire fall.
What an epic troll.
He turned civilians into drugs.
Literally awesome.
Rock and roll dude.
He made the perfect clone Primarch of Fulgrim and basically the perfect Horus but Horus
didn't have a soul so it didn't work out as well.
But Fulgrim does have a soul so he'd made the perfect Fulgrim.
I don't see Belisarius creating any Primarchs.
He's a moron.
It's heresy.
Oh but creating space marines is heresy.
He's immoral, he'll never die, he's defeated death, there's literally like 20 of him, only
one Belisarius, there's a billion Fabius Biles.
He's seen the face of Slaanesh, still doesn't believe her, freaking got him.
Yeah I think that's good.
Oh and he's dipping out straight away.
That's a lot of stuff.
Once again rocking the confidence.
He's got a good portfolio.
He does have quite the portfolio.
I feel like he gave his rat battle intro there.
He's let everyone know that he's very much, if Fabius needs a hype man, Eli's already
there.
If Fabius has one fan, Eli's that fan.
He's already worse being Slaanesh, he's halfway there.
He's already in there.
I do like how the way he was doing the intro, you could just imagine him in wrestling gear
about to approach the ring.
Spell us as Biles, Fabius, the big primogenitor.
It's some good points but I think it's time for another beginning and opening for Andy
to unleash his knowledge.
Andy are you ready?
And your time begins now.
Okay it's time to talk about Mr Magos, Daddy Beetle, Big Mechanicus, Mac Daddy himself,
Belisarius Call.
This guy is an old dude, he was around during the days of Fabius Biles during the Horus
Heresy.
It's kind of debatable, I don't know exactly who's longer lived but then again Fabius Biles
has died several times and been cloned and brought back because you know, oh you can't
just have one life, that's cringe hipster.
Anyway he was around during the days of the Horus Heresy doing his bit for the Imperium
and during those days he realised, you know what, I quite like flesh so I'm not going
to be too techy just yet.
I'm just going to upgrade my brain a little bit, add some MacGuffins, make myself a bit
more intelligent.
That's pretty cool but with a bit of time and a bit of encouragement he realised, nah
flesh is weak fam, I'm going to get some iron in me, I'm going to be this gigantic, I'm
going to replace my limbs, my organs, I'm going to add extra appendages so I can do
like a skip ball while I'm using a calculator or whatever he does.
I don't know, he's too smart for me to know but anyway he started to integrate people's
minds into his own so like, Fabius is a pretty smart dude, okay that's one brain, guess
what, Belisarius has got like dozens of people's consciousness and brains integrated into his
like, being.
He's like a hive mind, he can do so much without processing power and those experiences
of several people, one of which might be Arkhan land.
It's not confirmed but it's probably very much a reliable thing that if you were going
to integrate someone into your brain, it'd probably be the man who made the land raider
because you know, there's a meme point there.
And like Eli said, you know, oh it's cool, you know, you made some Primarchs which all
of them failed or died or are in prison but big daddy Belisarius, he's made the Primarch
Marines, he's got hundreds of thousands of children, he's got thousands of them all
across the galaxy doing the Emperor's will and they're better than first borns such as
Bael.
Yes they're mass produced but they're also getting it done.
What has Bael done with his like, so called children, little misfits who have bad grammar,
cool, whatever.
Also, I think I'm going to like do a bit of a heavy one here, he beat a Katan like in
a battle of wits and he like bested like a primordial being that's arguably as strong
as a Chaos God, just saying.
He also you know doesn't have the like equivalent of space marine grade cancer mixed with scurvy
unlike Bael and his whatever he's got going on with that infection he has.
He also you know, he can do multiple tasks at once because Eli mentioned, oh there's
you know, Bael's cloned himself loads of times, well guess what, we've got the Khorl Inferiors
baby, Khorl is able to make versions of himself, lesser versions to accomplish several tasks
across the galaxy at once.
He's got the skills to make the master crafted Armour of Fate for Giliman, he literally saved
Space Jesus from dying, that's pretty cool.
He commands the entirety of the mechanic, he's like Fabius Bael, he's got the Emperor's
children.
Cool, a broken legion full of drug addicts, that's cool.
He's got the Mechanicus, the entire Mechanicus and he's got the fealty of night houses and
titans.
He's also uncovered many several mysteries across the galaxy and confronted the deadliest
foes across the vast void of space.
He's even been at the side of the Avenging Sun, he's witnessed the destruction of Cadia,
he's even allied himself with Drzin the Infinite rather than made a little like, oh hello I'm
Fabius, oh you're Tristan, you're kinda cool.
Fringe, he worked with him to try and stem the tide of chaos.
There's only one MacDaddy in the 40k universe, 10,000 years going strong and that's Belisaurus
Cool, and I think I'm gonna leave it at that for my opening statements.
Nicely done.
Colin, how do you feel?
I feel like we got some strong contenders on each side, I do like each of the arguments
you have for, I guess they're children as you could say, the Primaris Marines, I mean
first of all they're the Space Marines.
Quite prominent obviously in Warhammer 40k and it's definitely important to acknowledge
Col did that, kind of a hard one to top, but that being said Eli had a good point.
Fabius' new man, they just need to procreate, you don't need any facilities for that.
When a mommy new man and a daddy new man love each other very much, you get more soldiers.
Procreation is cringe.
Just a candlelit dinner.
Yeah, just a candlelit dinner and you've got another soldier eventually.
So I do like they've each got some stuff going for them.
I do have a question for each side if they'd care to hear it.
The question is, and I'll have Eli go answer first and then Andy next, they both have some
ability to, I feel like to stick around a bit and avoid death.
Paul of course being a tech priest and Fabius just cloning himself whenever anyone blinks.
But I do have to ask, are either of them capable of a true form of immortality?
So let's say you kill all of the Fabius' and you have an EMP next to Col or something,
do they have a way to get around this for either of them?
Eli, what would happen if all of the Fabius' died?
Does he have an out?
Fabius is too smart for that.
He would have a backup plan for his backup plan for his backup plan.
He literally always wins.
You can't beat this guy.
He has an unknown location in the galaxy, unknown to all except for him where his new
men are going to go live one day when he needs to and not a single soul knows about it.
So I mean, you know, that's a good hiding spot if he needs it.
And Andy, what would happen to Col?
Is there anything he could do to reroute some data routines or something like that?
I don't know how computers work.
I'm sure he has the capability to create something similar to what the Necron use where they
move their consciousness into like a hub.
We already know he's got the call in theory is we already know he's got usable, like lesser
versions of himself that basically act to the to the normal observer like Belisarius,
except more mechanical.
And this is this is tech, Danny.
He's going to have contingency.
I was long as I've got bandwidth or a hard drive or a floppy disk.
I'm not going anywhere.
I'll just make more memory and I'll spread myself around.
It's not a problem.
You can't beat the machine because the machine is immortal.
Praise the Omnissiah.
All right.
So I like Andy with a pretty solid answer.
And Eli, I'm not going to lie.
You were definitely channeling some but I did have breakfast today.
Energy Fabius never loses.
But that is fair, although you did you did acknowledge Fabius has about five gazillion
contingency plans in place.
So good.
That is worth the Inquisitor game as the final boss.
That is true.
All right.
I think I'm good on questions.
Are you gentlemen ready for round two?
Let's have everything.
I do have a question, but I think I'll save it for my round.
My right.
And Eli, are you ready for your next section?
Yes.
And your time begins now.
I was actually trolling Fabius is immortal because he take the wraith bone technology
of the elder and now his consciousness resides within wraith bone, which is why he can make
one trillion of himself all the time.
So he actually can never die.
I totally forgot about him that till now.
But anyways, that's pretty cool.
He's literally immortal.
His noise brains are also still around, which is cool.
They recognize him from 10,000 years ago.
One of his coolest creations by far.
Who doesn't like noise brains?
They're so cool, dude.
His war gear is epic.
One touch from his demon staff is an auto win in most of his fights.
And he makes serums that literally can affect demons, which have no real physical essence
or organs.
And it somehow still works.
He's just that smart.
The chirigen is a sentient, fleshy machine that's a complete bro and operates on him
while he's asleep.
It's a smart guy.
He lays eggs.
I mean, like, come on.
I haven't seen Mr. Call create any demon flesh sacks that create eggs and perform surgeries.
Fabius has gone to Kamarot and he balled so hard on the dark elder that he outsmarted
them and caused basically a mini civil war.
And they crawled over each other and destroyed their entire planet to try to get to Fabius.
And he still beat them.
Let's go.
He uses the webway.
That's cool on its own.
He has his own war band and is basically all just an whole army and conglomerate of apothecaries.
All the apothecaries from around the galaxy flock to this guy because he's so smart and
he knows more than every single one of them.
There's not a single apothecary who can rival this guy as a genius.
So everybody goes to him to learn from him.
He cares about his children.
He's honestly a loving father.
He cares about the little kids.
You know, he gives them little cuddles, touches, pinches their cheek.
He cares about his new men especially.
Creates an entire society for them, an entire backup plan, the perfect paradise for them
to keep them safe if he needs to.
They're not tools in his mind, but they're the future.
They're the future of the entire world.
He's not just working for the future of chaos or the Imperium.
He's working for the future of humanity to make his own humanity that will be a million,
billion times better than the Emperor's, that's for sure, because the Emperor's didn't work
out so now it's Fabius' turn.
Yeah, he balls pretty hard.
I think that's about it.
He's cool.
And we will cut it there.
Not pretty impassioned, I'd say.
Definitely putting Fabius on quite the high level to be comparing him to Big E himself.
Yeah, bro.
The entire chaos relies on him, they can't even survive without him.
They use all of his, he's created, yeah, you know, chaos only exists because of Fabius.
With that being said there, Andy, are you ready for your rebuttal?
Oh, I am so ready.
Let's go.
And your time begins now.
Okay, so first of all, in a 1v1 versus Belisarius, let's talk about what Bile is rocking.
He's got the Rod of Torment.
Guess what?
It makes pain really bad.
Doesn't matter.
Calls made of steel, it's not going to do anything.
All his armor, the Arc Scourge, it exercises machine spirits.
I was funny little backpack.
Guess what?
He's going to make it defunct just by going snap of his fingers.
That doesn't work anymore.
Your armor doesn't work anymore.
No more machine spirit.
Done.
He's got the Solar Atomizer, a mastercrafted melter weapon capable of burning through tanks.
How's your little lab coat going to do against that?
He's got a mastercrafted Omnissine Axe that towers over Bile and let's not forget, Paul
is bigger than a Primark.
He's gigantic.
In a 1v1, you've got an old man with a little needler and a rod, a little cane against a
gigantic beetle man with a power axe that's capable of cutting through anything.
No contest.
He's got the Mechadendrite Hive, snaky loopy little appendages that'll grab you, engulf
you, stab you, throttle you, viviset you, whatever he wants to do.
He's got the Scryer Skulls, which basically analyze during battle what's going on.
We might have already seen the bit from the Gothic Armada 2 cinematic where he's talking
to the guys and he's doing threat assessments while he talks.
Any mistake Paul makes, any single one, whether he moves his stance or he has a bit too much
weight distribution on one foot or he has a vulnerability in his armor, Paul goes weakness,
jab, done.
He's got the reaction times because he's a machine.
He's literally and figuratively a machine.
He's also got a refractor field.
It makes him cloaked in gravitic energy.
So not only is Paul going to have a bit of trouble identifying where Paul is when he's
trying to attack him, making him harder to hit, he also refracts strikes.
His refractor field can stop point blank las cannons and plasma guns.
What's your little cane going to do about that?
I just need to press upon this.
He is enormous.
He is chonk.
So you've got a multi-limbed, heavily armed, shielded titanic figure bigger than a Primark
with 10,000 years of experience with several people's experiences of battle.
Because remember, we don't know who he's been integrating into his mind.
He could have been getting generals.
He could have been getting starchy soldiers and he could have been integrating that into
his knowledge of battlefields, tactics and how he did.
Xyclos Nidor is cool.
How are you going to stand against this imposing beetle, armed to the teeth, armed with knowledge
and foresight, who knows every single one of your little tricks and goes, doesn't matter
mate, I know exactly how to counter this.
And I'm going to leave it there.
Oh, with not much time to spare as well.
Damn.
Okay.
I see.
So Eli started to talk about his Mr. Biles greatness, whereas Andy went straight for
yo, my dad is bigger than yours.
So I can beat you off your dad.
Hey man, that's how it works in 40k.
The taller and bigger you are, the more authority you have and calls pretty big.
Yeah, that's why the avatar of Kane is clearly beaten up by things smaller than it.
Alright, listen.
Yeah, listen.
The elder aren't involved here.
I thought Eli and I were in the versus matches episode.
Yeah, I'll show you.
I forgot in the memo, I think he thought the schedule meant you two were judging.
Well, I do have a slight question for both of you.
I'll start with Eli.
What is something you think Fabius could make which Bellasaur's call could not?
As in what would you think he would be capable of that his rival wouldn't even come close
to?
Well, a Primarch versus all and an entire species probably.
I don't think calls really made anything from scratch.
I think he's kind of just, you know, taking what he has and made it better.
Don't see a lot of original works coming out of this.
Hold on, your whole thing was, oh, he's made private, like he's literally copying the Emperor's
homework.
That's not a point.
But the, is his mutant populations though he's made from scratch and his new men are
barely bigger than space marines.
Let's put some horns on this one.
Let's make this one have like a weird.
Yeah, the cuties.
That's not building from scratch.
I'm going to take a look.
They'll die in the millions.
I'll overwhelm Bellasaur's call with my one billion mutant children.
You can't hit him because of his refractor field.
But that being said though, Andy, what's something you think call could make that Fabius wouldn't
be capable of?
Well, this is the thing.
I mean, just from the fact that he's interacted with a Katarn shard and he's experimented
with the sofa device, I reckon he could make something like a interplanetary dimensional
teleportation device or something which influenced travel.
But the thing about call is he knows where the line is and he goes Primarchs, that's
a bit far.
He could do it, but he goes, you know what?
That's not my place.
I'm going to improve upon the prime with the Primarchs marines and Bolters and tanks and
dreadnoughts because that serves the Omnissiah.
But I'm not overstepping the bounds of becoming a filthy heretic.
He only cause, you know, commits a little bit of heresy and then, you know, then cause
everyone else here to explain.
Just a smidge of heresy.
I do have one.
I have one last.
Sounds like a spreadable how just just a smidge of just a smidge of heresy in the morning.
It's delicious.
I do have one last question, which I think Andy kind of touched upon in his section,
which is I'll start with Eli first.
Fabius Bial has to kill Bellasaurus call.
How does he do it?
One trillion billion million mutants and a whole space marine chaos space.
He can't do it on his own.
1v1 and he's too smart to fight a 1v1.
And, you know, 50,000 apothecaries, 100,000 chaos space marines, you know, Abaddon that
is spoiler probably owes him something.
So there you go.
It's fair enough.
And Andy, I think you kind of touched on it earlier, but how would, you know, call has
to kill Fabius Bial.
How does he do it?
All right.
So by by Eli's logic.
One, he's got a favor with the avenging son.
He's like, can I get all of your ultramarines in the Astartes?
Cool.
Also, he's got the mechanic is cool.
Also, he's got the legios with the Knights and the Titans.
Cool.
Plus, he's got his own space marine factions like the sons of Medusa and the ones that
are from the Red Vipers.
The Black Vipers.
Yeah, like he's got all these connections.
And that's when he's going.
I need to pull out all the stocks.
Remember, he's also got his call in theory, which could be making him 70 opponents versus
one in the case of cool light, because the thing is, Fabius can't use more than one body
at a time, more or less.
They're all independent forces.
All is like a hive.
He could go, I have all my call in theory.
I have my mechanicus, my night houses, the space marines, my Primark friends, my my
pal Celestine.
We've we're still on WhatsApp.
We're still good.
Get the Sisters of Battle involved.
Get the Black Templars involved.
Get the get it get the Vrain and her folks.
I think the Imperium is a little busy right now.
Well, again, you were saying he's got a million billion.
If pressed, call could be like, let's make a concerted effort to just obliterate Fabius.
I think he's losing to the tyrannids on that 53 percent scale.
Well, they're also checking out certain designs.
The mechanicus has its priorities in the right place, if you ask me.
Well, I think there's some good arguments from both sides there.
I like that quite a lot.
The hive mind idea hatch hadn't crossed my mind before.
So I mean, if we talk about heresy, these two are both pretty, you know, I mean, I wouldn't
say it's a bonus and a negative on both sides.
I want a written apology about the bad things you said about my dad coming to get you.
Well, other than bringing our actual dads to fight in this YouTube episode, we'll start
on our very last round.
Eli, are you ready?
Yes.
You have one minute and it begins now.
All right.
Mr. Call has cost the average space marine player hundreds of dollars.
He has rapidly changed the space marine aesthetic in Warhammer forever.
His primaris art is hyper cringe compared to the classic space marines.
He can't even fit his dudes in the regular transports and he can't fit the regular dudes
in the primaris transports.
So you have to buy all of them.
Primaris marines fight for Mars instead of the emperor.
They don't know two poos about fighting chaos and the new foes and adapting.
Other legions literally kill them.
Call also has big, big heresy, committed mega heresy, improved the emperor's work and it
took him like 10,000 years forever.
Bro, clones?
AI clones colluding with Xenos?
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
And this guy says he's not a heretic.
I'm not buying it.
He's been piggybacking off the real G, the emperor, this whole time based on his work.
And most of all, he has no pimp cane.
Call gets zero.
And your time is up.
Zero witches.
Zero pimp cane.
Call is apparently maidenless.
Andy, are you ready for your response?
Oh, I'm ready.
You have one minute and it begins now.
On that last point, Call does have a pimp cane.
It's in Battlefleet Gothic 2 cinematic.
You can see it when he gets off the ship.
So let's just brush the cane moment aside.
Let's be honest.
Fabius is a very impressive individual, but he ain't no Belisarius.
Yes, you've got your little freak army.
Yes, you tried to clone a Primark a few times and it didn't really work out.
It worked.
So let's be honest.
Belisarius has changed the game.
Like you mentioned, he has redefined what it is to be a space marine or a tabletop player
or a Xenos or a heretic.
Because guess what?
When you write the book, you get to say who's a heretic and who isn't.
And Belisarius is not a heretic.
He is a genius.
He is the Archmagus.
He is Big Brain Daddy.
He is Beatle incarnate.
And no matter how much cope I hear, I never hear a response to how can he beat him in
a one on one?
He can't.
How can he beat him in intelligence?
He can't.
How can he combat his vast armies?
He can't.
Fabius is outclassed in every way.
And it's over.
Long reign the Omnissiah.
Well, well, well, Colin, how do you feel about those the minutes of hate?
There was definitely some vitriol going around.
I'd like the repeated naming of call is the Beatle that makes me chuckle.
I do have one final question for the contestants.
If I were to say drop a piece of a war hammer miniature, and as it does with every small
little thing you drop into your floor, vanishes directly into the warp forever, never to be
found.
Who could help me get something to find it?
Who would build a better device to help me find it?
Eli?
Fabius already has web technology and knows how elder technology works.
So I think you have a pretty good bet there.
And it is mostly elder stuff that I drop on my floor and lose for eternity.
Andy, how how how might call solve this dilemma?
Well, you might you mentioned like, for example, you know how I mentioned he can analyze during
battle like don't remember he's got the entire mechanic us and all their scanning equipment
and all their vehicles and their fleets and all their ancient architect and all their
wondrous dark age of technology.
They probably have something in the back room that they're just like a bit like, oh, this
is precious.
But if you were in a bind, they'd be like, yeah, no problem.
And he's got his contacts throughout the Imperium.
Unlike Fabius, who's a bit of an independent war bands a cringe.
I'm going to work on my own like Bella's eyes.
It's like I know some elder who could help me out in the web way.
I've got my living saints, my Primarchs, my entire army, my night houses.
We'll figure it out.
No problem.
I got scanning devices.
I've got robots.
We're immune to an extent with the warp and its currents.
We know we got the know how we can get it done.
Those are good arguments on both sides.
I have one question I think both of them can answer.
I'll give it together or not.
But which one of them do you think understands perhaps the best geneticists in the entire
universe?
The Emperor, who understands his work the best?
That's a good question.
I think it is probably actually just Fabius.
Controversial opinion.
Andy do you feel the same way?
No, think of this way.
Belisarius has been in direct contact with the Emperor.
He's been studying not just like I have a box of scraps in a cave Iron Man style making
weird no Belisarius has like all the information.
He has all the samples.
He has countless test subjects.
He has 10,000 years of knowledge.
He's got the data volts of the Mechanicus.
He has the files and the archives on Holy Terror.
He's been in the presence of Primarchs.
He knows everything he needs to know.
That's how he made a gigantic army of Primaris Marines.
He knows it back to front front to back and if he wanted to make a Primarch, if it wasn't
heresy he could do it.
I want to see a clip of Belisarius saying Fabius Bile will build this in a cave with
a box of scraps.
Well Colin, let us know your thoughts.
What are you thinking so far?
What's coming out on top?
What's your overall review of the argument so far?
Both presented good sides.
Of course there's the fact Eli has mentioned Fabius is definitely does not have the same
resource standpoint that Col has and is able to has done quite a bit with as much reduced
capacity.
But that being said in a war scenario just you don't get to go he has better stuff than
me to avoid losing.
You just lose.
Especially when you've done the heresy that got you in that place in the first place.
If you didn't rebel you could have had access to but oh no you did it a whoopsie with being
a traitor.
Yeah obviously.
So it is very impressive Fabius has done with the limited resources he has but just going
well you know Fabius can't do what Col does because he has less resources you know like
or pardon me let me reword that.
I mean imagine what Fabius could do if he had Col's resources I don't find too much
of a defense because he doesn't have Col's resources.
That is a hypothetical.
That being said when I play strategy games I'm a big fan of the old reliable minimal
input for maximum output and Fabius' new man definitely the kind of thing I would gel with.
You don't need massive production facilities and other pre-existing knowledge like you
do with Primaris Marines.
He's made his new man and then they're out and about to do their thing so I think both
of them definitely have brought up good points.
Hal how are you feeling over it right now?
It's so tough for this one this might be like the closest we've ever had in terms of.
And to be fair it's the first time we've pitted Warhammer versus Warhammer.
This one feels like incredibly close because they're both in a way they're kind of the
same thing and yet they are not in terms of how they show the same coin.
Yeah how they show their genius.
I do think Fabius isn't necessarily held back by what some would call morality as much as
Col isn't a little bit.
I like Fabius' experiments and all of his work is very much the it's not really with
a goal as much of a goal in mind it's all it speaks more to like can he do it and what
does he have a end goal in mind?
Just for the sake of doing it almost.
Yeah whereas Col isn't it's not that he's incapable of doing many of the things that
Fabius has he just has no interest slash directive to produce that he produced the Primaris Space
Marines because that's what first of all because the law writers made him and secondly because
that's essentially what he needed to do to help reconquer the galaxy in the Endometis
Crusade.
So is your critique that Bellisaurus is too busy to do other things therefore that's like
that's nice.
No he's too busy.
He's got a lot to do.
He's not out there making humans into cocaine powder because he has no interest.
Although saying that that is admittedly another criticism against Col you can say you know
he has a lot to do so he can't focus on these things that is a problem Col has.
Col definitely has a lot more on his plate or as Fabius is a lot more.
If Fabius had that constraint he wouldn't get nearly enough done and I don't think it
would be comparable if that were the case I'm just saying.
Yeah well yeah but that goes back to what I was just saying earlier just because you
know it's like the opposite of the resource thing like yeah if Col didn't have all this
stuff on his plate he could do this.
Well Col does have all this stuff on his plate so unfortunately it's a moot point.
Well I guess on the other side of that coin is Fabius has nothing occupying his time so
therefore he essentially makes people into powder which is for no reason.
Terrible work.
There's actually no reason to do it.
I need you to you should be drugs now.
Yeah like again it's technically a waste of time.
Research purposes.
I need a new jacket you'll do.
He's just taking off the achievements pro.
Yeah a lot of his stuff is just I'm having fun doing it rather than he's actually trying
to accomplish anything.
He's 100% in the game.
Some people go to Hot Topic to buy edgy clothes, Fabius Bile goes to Hot Topic to turn the
people in Hot Topic into clothes.
I think there's also I do have to remember as well like again Bellisaur's call has essentially
been immortal the entire time.
He's lived 10,000 years and Fabius Bile I think it's even said in the Fabius Bile books
when he talks to Trezin or Trezin sorry he goes I think Trezin says to him are you even
the original Fabius or are you just a memory of the original Fabius.
So is Fabius Bile actually dead?
So and again his ghost of a memory of a person.
And does his what's the is it the blight again the blight keeps coming up so it will kill
him every time.
Well he's cured right now with the wraith bone his OG form is coping.
I thought the wraith bone he basically had his memories his memories won't go but his
bodies always die if I remember.
Yeah but he's alive in the wraith bone.
I mean to be fair yeah that's how wraith bone stuff works to keep your soul it is your soul
in that thing like it's not like the necrons are like you know you remember but are you
technically same like you know wraith bone it's straight up your soul in that thing.
Guess doesn't does a call even need to do that though?
His body's not dying.
That is a very good point.
This is a really tough one because I like both these characters.
I have however come to a decision biased as it is hell if you need a bit more time to
discuss think on yourself I think I'm gonna know it as soon as I say it out loud so you
go first.
Alright as much as both sides are very good I have to say and again I will admit some
of this is biased going in but I'm going to give it to Andy.
I feel like Carl just simply has a far stronger position and if he were to feel he needed
to do the things Fabius does I feel like he would just it's a and while yes his five billion
other things on his plate would perhaps put some time in front of it.
Call I feel like could do with again he could do very much what Fabius does perhaps not
as good but good enough and in war good enough is all you need.
So praise the Omnissiah love me some tech braised.
Love me machines.
Eh flesh just is.
How?
How about yourself?
Where's your decision?
It is essentially 50-50 for my brain but if I had to bring it down to one I think they
basically match on pretty much everything so I'm gonna say I think I have to give it
to Fabius just for the simple fact that I think he's probably on paper the slightly
better geneticist in terms of call would have to have resources and things to get to that
point Fabius has done the hard work he's not held back by essentially red tape I think
other than I think they match on pretty much everything else I think Fabius just beats
him on I think Fabius is the slightly the better genius so I have to give it to Fabius.
It's really tough that one.
I should also say going off the arguments Eli one of the things that definitely pushed
me towards Andy is when you brought up Fabius and his dark Eldar escapades and using Eldar
technology I find it very difficult to support GW going hey look at this space marine character
using Eldar stuff again better than they do.
Thank you GW thank you.
I just like how Hal basically went like I'm just gonna hand wash atrocities by saying
yeah but it makes him better so it's fine.
He's not the better human but not at all I mean they're both not good people but.
They also yeah for going off morality at a certain point it's like yeah Fabius is worth
but it's like they're both pretty horrid.
I'm pretty sure like the whole Primaris marine thing is they take children in the tournament
to see the soldiers.
All I'm saying is Cole doesn't have a weapon that just its entire intent is to make pain
just that's the priority he's like no I need to get out of the way.
He probably does have a weapon.
And then the product organ is just like oh I'm just going to inflict the most pain feasible
because it's funny.
It's like nah it does no it's just a bit much really.
I mean I almost I do I'm it's very close this one like I could have said either to be honest
I just think Cole definitely out plays Bile on a lot of things but I think Bile just there's
a little bit of more genius to him.
It'll be interesting to see their banter in the upcoming book which is the impetus for
this episode really.
It's like yes new book coming out.
I should I should say that I think neither of these two are the best geneticist scientists
whatever in the galaxy.
They're neither of them are even the emperor.
Oh please clowns clown biggie.
The old ones.
The real book should be the old ones probably but they're not around anymore.
The real battle should be Cesaras versus Yuri and Rakarth.
There's some geneticist.
All right well you're right.
It's the Necron the Necron guy versus the Dark Eldar guy.
There's some real geneticist though.
Necrons are so epic.
The human, human.
Thought I went ahead of him.
Love me real empire.
The children of the old ones versus the children of the Katan.
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The judges are tied.
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