1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,200 Yeah, a lot of his stuff is just, I'm having fun doing it, rather than he's actually trying 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,600 to accomplish anything. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,880 He's 100% in the game. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Some people go to Hot Topic to buy edgy clothes, Shobby Spile goes to Hot Topic to turn the 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:37,000 people in Hot Topic in a clothes. 6 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,160 Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Versus. 7 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:46,800 I am your host Hal, also known as the Amber King, slash Pancreas does work and I'm here 8 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,560 with my co-host Colin. 9 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:55,840 We're neither of the debaters and you're already throwing shade, alright. 10 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,520 It makes sense because I'm here with my co-host Colin, who is Pancreas No Work, great channel, 11 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,800 obviously everyone knows that already. 12 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,360 His stuff is really good. 13 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:11,560 And today will be another Versus episode where we will take on the Gene Fathers, the best 14 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,640 geneticists within the setting. 15 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,400 We have Andy in the blue corner over here. 16 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,520 Hello everyone to Andy. 17 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,120 He'll be representing Mr. Belisarius Call. 18 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,120 The Daddy Beetle. 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,560 The guy literally the size of a Primark, he's chonk. 20 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:37,920 And in the red corner we have Eli with Fabius Bile. 21 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:43,240 Eli's read his books and he loves it and he's going to show that love today. 22 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 First off we'll just ask the contestants how they're feeling. 23 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Andy, how confident are you feeling today? 24 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:56,080 Your Messiah is with me as he is with everyone, I'll be fine. 25 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Quite confident. 26 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:02,080 Eli, how are you feeling about Fabius Bile today? 27 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:07,800 He's the main character of Warhammer 40,000, so I mean come on. 28 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:13,040 He does have main character syndrome to be fair, he does think he's the main character. 29 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:18,560 But with that being said, I think boys we're going to hop off straight on into it. 30 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Eli will be up first, telling us about the Clone Lord. 31 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Eli, are you ready? 32 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,680 Yes sir. 33 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,440 And your time begins now. 34 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Nice. 35 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:35,120 Fabius Bile is the best and greatest and most epic scientist in the entire galaxy. 36 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:40,720 He's the Man Flayer, the Clone Lord, the Primogenitor and chief apothecary of the Emperor's children 37 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,080 and basically all of Chaos at this point. 38 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,480 He is worshipped as a god by his children that he has created which have become entire 39 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:52,320 civilizations and societies that are self sustainable and govern themselves. 40 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,720 He has created the New Men which are basically his own version of space marines. 41 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,720 He improves upon the Emperor's work which is apparently not heresy according to Belisarius 42 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,520 calls so I can say that. 43 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,640 And while they may be not quite as heroic and strong as the space marines, they are 44 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:11,620 fast and cunning and most importantly human. 45 00:03:11,620 --> 00:03:16,040 They retained their humanity and they can reproduce so there's a lot more of them, 46 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,300 you can make a lot more of them for a lot cheaper. 47 00:03:18,300 --> 00:03:23,880 They cost you basically nothing and they're pretty badass as one may say. 48 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:28,960 He single handedly saved the entire Emperor's children legion from destruction, taking on 49 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,760 many great sacrifices and burdens upon himself. 50 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,920 Chaos unifies around him when he doesn't even try, he doesn't want them to half a 51 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,000 time and they still flock to him because he's just so epic. 52 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:47,800 He gives us so much chat energy that the Emperor's children just conglomerate around him and 53 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,440 follow him because he's a natural born leader. 54 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,660 He enhanced the entire legion of the Emperor's children back in the day and basically single 55 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:56,680 handedly caused their entire fall. 56 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:58,000 What an epic troll. 57 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000 He turned civilians into drugs. 58 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000 Literally awesome. 59 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,560 Rock and roll dude. 60 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:09,360 He made the perfect clone Primarch of Fulgrim and basically the perfect Horus but Horus 61 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,720 didn't have a soul so it didn't work out as well. 62 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,320 But Fulgrim does have a soul so he'd made the perfect Fulgrim. 63 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,560 I don't see Belisarius creating any Primarchs. 64 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,560 He's a moron. 65 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:20,560 It's heresy. 66 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,280 Oh but creating space marines is heresy. 67 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,760 He's immoral, he'll never die, he's defeated death, there's literally like 20 of him, only 68 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,520 one Belisarius, there's a billion Fabius Biles. 69 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,200 He's seen the face of Slaanesh, still doesn't believe her, freaking got him. 70 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,200 Yeah I think that's good. 71 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,000 Oh and he's dipping out straight away. 72 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 That's a lot of stuff. 73 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,720 Once again rocking the confidence. 74 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,200 He's got a good portfolio. 75 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,120 He does have quite the portfolio. 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,560 I feel like he gave his rat battle intro there. 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:57,840 He's let everyone know that he's very much, if Fabius needs a hype man, Eli's already 78 00:04:57,840 --> 00:04:58,840 there. 79 00:04:58,840 --> 00:05:01,880 If Fabius has one fan, Eli's that fan. 80 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,200 He's already worse being Slaanesh, he's halfway there. 81 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:05,440 He's already in there. 82 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,600 I do like how the way he was doing the intro, you could just imagine him in wrestling gear 83 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,640 about to approach the ring. 84 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:18,040 Spell us as Biles, Fabius, the big primogenitor. 85 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:24,640 It's some good points but I think it's time for another beginning and opening for Andy 86 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,360 to unleash his knowledge. 87 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,720 Andy are you ready? 88 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,080 And your time begins now. 89 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,640 Okay it's time to talk about Mr Magos, Daddy Beetle, Big Mechanicus, Mac Daddy himself, 90 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,440 Belisarius Call. 91 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,800 This guy is an old dude, he was around during the days of Fabius Biles during the Horus 92 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:43,800 Heresy. 93 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:49,000 It's kind of debatable, I don't know exactly who's longer lived but then again Fabius Biles 94 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,720 has died several times and been cloned and brought back because you know, oh you can't 95 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,080 just have one life, that's cringe hipster. 96 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Anyway he was around during the days of the Horus Heresy doing his bit for the Imperium 97 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:03,560 and during those days he realised, you know what, I quite like flesh so I'm not going 98 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,720 to be too techy just yet. 99 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:10,440 I'm just going to upgrade my brain a little bit, add some MacGuffins, make myself a bit 100 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:11,440 more intelligent. 101 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,920 That's pretty cool but with a bit of time and a bit of encouragement he realised, nah 102 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:20,080 flesh is weak fam, I'm going to get some iron in me, I'm going to be this gigantic, I'm 103 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,680 going to replace my limbs, my organs, I'm going to add extra appendages so I can do 104 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,840 like a skip ball while I'm using a calculator or whatever he does. 105 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:33,400 I don't know, he's too smart for me to know but anyway he started to integrate people's 106 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,160 minds into his own so like, Fabius is a pretty smart dude, okay that's one brain, guess 107 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:43,160 what, Belisarius has got like dozens of people's consciousness and brains integrated into his 108 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,160 like, being. 109 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,520 He's like a hive mind, he can do so much without processing power and those experiences 110 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:52,240 of several people, one of which might be Arkhan land. 111 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,680 It's not confirmed but it's probably very much a reliable thing that if you were going 112 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,440 to integrate someone into your brain, it'd probably be the man who made the land raider 113 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,120 because you know, there's a meme point there. 114 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,680 And like Eli said, you know, oh it's cool, you know, you made some Primarchs which all 115 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:15,040 of them failed or died or are in prison but big daddy Belisarius, he's made the Primarch 116 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:18,640 Marines, he's got hundreds of thousands of children, he's got thousands of them all 117 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,960 across the galaxy doing the Emperor's will and they're better than first borns such as 118 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:23,960 Bael. 119 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,480 Yes they're mass produced but they're also getting it done. 120 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:32,160 What has Bael done with his like, so called children, little misfits who have bad grammar, 121 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,160 cool, whatever. 122 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:38,600 Also, I think I'm going to like do a bit of a heavy one here, he beat a Katan like in 123 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:43,360 a battle of wits and he like bested like a primordial being that's arguably as strong 124 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,720 as a Chaos God, just saying. 125 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,960 He also you know doesn't have the like equivalent of space marine grade cancer mixed with scurvy 126 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,080 unlike Bael and his whatever he's got going on with that infection he has. 127 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,720 He also you know, he can do multiple tasks at once because Eli mentioned, oh there's 128 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,520 you know, Bael's cloned himself loads of times, well guess what, we've got the Khorl Inferiors 129 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,320 baby, Khorl is able to make versions of himself, lesser versions to accomplish several tasks 130 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,640 across the galaxy at once. 131 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:16,080 He's got the skills to make the master crafted Armour of Fate for Giliman, he literally saved 132 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Space Jesus from dying, that's pretty cool. 133 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:24,680 He commands the entirety of the mechanic, he's like Fabius Bael, he's got the Emperor's 134 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:25,680 children. 135 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:29,600 Cool, a broken legion full of drug addicts, that's cool. 136 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,400 He's got the Mechanicus, the entire Mechanicus and he's got the fealty of night houses and 137 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,400 titans. 138 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:40,200 He's also uncovered many several mysteries across the galaxy and confronted the deadliest 139 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,280 foes across the vast void of space. 140 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:47,280 He's even been at the side of the Avenging Sun, he's witnessed the destruction of Cadia, 141 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,960 he's even allied himself with Drzin the Infinite rather than made a little like, oh hello I'm 142 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,280 Fabius, oh you're Tristan, you're kinda cool. 143 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,400 Fringe, he worked with him to try and stem the tide of chaos. 144 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:02,600 There's only one MacDaddy in the 40k universe, 10,000 years going strong and that's Belisaurus 145 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:08,360 Cool, and I think I'm gonna leave it at that for my opening statements. 146 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Nicely done. 147 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Colin, how do you feel? 148 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:17,900 I feel like we got some strong contenders on each side, I do like each of the arguments 149 00:09:17,900 --> 00:09:22,920 you have for, I guess they're children as you could say, the Primaris Marines, I mean 150 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,640 first of all they're the Space Marines. 151 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:31,840 Quite prominent obviously in Warhammer 40k and it's definitely important to acknowledge 152 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:37,920 Col did that, kind of a hard one to top, but that being said Eli had a good point. 153 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Fabius' new man, they just need to procreate, you don't need any facilities for that. 154 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:51,440 When a mommy new man and a daddy new man love each other very much, you get more soldiers. 155 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,640 Procreation is cringe. 156 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:55,120 Just a candlelit dinner. 157 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,320 Yeah, just a candlelit dinner and you've got another soldier eventually. 158 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,280 So I do like they've each got some stuff going for them. 159 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:08,000 I do have a question for each side if they'd care to hear it. 160 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:14,100 The question is, and I'll have Eli go answer first and then Andy next, they both have some 161 00:10:14,100 --> 00:10:19,400 ability to, I feel like to stick around a bit and avoid death. 162 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Paul of course being a tech priest and Fabius just cloning himself whenever anyone blinks. 163 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:32,440 But I do have to ask, are either of them capable of a true form of immortality? 164 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:39,680 So let's say you kill all of the Fabius' and you have an EMP next to Col or something, 165 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:42,360 do they have a way to get around this for either of them? 166 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,520 Eli, what would happen if all of the Fabius' died? 167 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,760 Does he have an out? 168 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,600 Fabius is too smart for that. 169 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,600 He would have a backup plan for his backup plan for his backup plan. 170 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,280 He literally always wins. 171 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,280 You can't beat this guy. 172 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:03,000 He has an unknown location in the galaxy, unknown to all except for him where his new 173 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,160 men are going to go live one day when he needs to and not a single soul knows about it. 174 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:12,240 So I mean, you know, that's a good hiding spot if he needs it. 175 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,760 And Andy, what would happen to Col? 176 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Is there anything he could do to reroute some data routines or something like that? 177 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:22,520 I don't know how computers work. 178 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,280 I'm sure he has the capability to create something similar to what the Necron use where they 179 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,400 move their consciousness into like a hub. 180 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:33,360 We already know he's got the call in theory is we already know he's got usable, like lesser 181 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,600 versions of himself that basically act to the to the normal observer like Belisarius, 182 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,720 except more mechanical. 183 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,080 And this is this is tech, Danny. 184 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,080 He's going to have contingency. 185 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,760 I was long as I've got bandwidth or a hard drive or a floppy disk. 186 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:46,920 I'm not going anywhere. 187 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,280 I'll just make more memory and I'll spread myself around. 188 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:50,280 It's not a problem. 189 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,480 You can't beat the machine because the machine is immortal. 190 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:54,480 Praise the Omnissiah. 191 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,480 All right. 192 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,840 So I like Andy with a pretty solid answer. 193 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,400 And Eli, I'm not going to lie. 194 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,400 You were definitely channeling some but I did have breakfast today. 195 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,960 Energy Fabius never loses. 196 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:14,640 But that is fair, although you did you did acknowledge Fabius has about five gazillion 197 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,240 contingency plans in place. 198 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,240 So good. 199 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,080 That is worth the Inquisitor game as the final boss. 200 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,600 That is true. 201 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,160 All right. 202 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,120 I think I'm good on questions. 203 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,160 Are you gentlemen ready for round two? 204 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,680 Let's have everything. 205 00:12:29,680 --> 00:12:32,600 I do have a question, but I think I'll save it for my round. 206 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,600 My right. 207 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:39,840 And Eli, are you ready for your next section? 208 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:40,840 Yes. 209 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,040 And your time begins now. 210 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,320 I was actually trolling Fabius is immortal because he take the wraith bone technology 211 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,920 of the elder and now his consciousness resides within wraith bone, which is why he can make 212 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,720 one trillion of himself all the time. 213 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,080 So he actually can never die. 214 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,400 I totally forgot about him that till now. 215 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,120 But anyways, that's pretty cool. 216 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,120 He's literally immortal. 217 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,640 His noise brains are also still around, which is cool. 218 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,000 They recognize him from 10,000 years ago. 219 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,920 One of his coolest creations by far. 220 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:10,200 Who doesn't like noise brains? 221 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,080 They're so cool, dude. 222 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,520 His war gear is epic. 223 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,280 One touch from his demon staff is an auto win in most of his fights. 224 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,120 And he makes serums that literally can affect demons, which have no real physical essence 225 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,120 or organs. 226 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,720 And it somehow still works. 227 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,960 He's just that smart. 228 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:31,760 The chirigen is a sentient, fleshy machine that's a complete bro and operates on him 229 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:32,760 while he's asleep. 230 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,760 It's a smart guy. 231 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,760 He lays eggs. 232 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:35,760 I mean, like, come on. 233 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:44,640 I haven't seen Mr. Call create any demon flesh sacks that create eggs and perform surgeries. 234 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Fabius has gone to Kamarot and he balled so hard on the dark elder that he outsmarted 235 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,240 them and caused basically a mini civil war. 236 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:57,320 And they crawled over each other and destroyed their entire planet to try to get to Fabius. 237 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,840 And he still beat them. 238 00:13:58,840 --> 00:13:59,840 Let's go. 239 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,040 He uses the webway. 240 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,040 That's cool on its own. 241 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,760 He has his own war band and is basically all just an whole army and conglomerate of apothecaries. 242 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,400 All the apothecaries from around the galaxy flock to this guy because he's so smart and 243 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,840 he knows more than every single one of them. 244 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,040 There's not a single apothecary who can rival this guy as a genius. 245 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,920 So everybody goes to him to learn from him. 246 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,360 He cares about his children. 247 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,320 He's honestly a loving father. 248 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:25,320 He cares about the little kids. 249 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,760 You know, he gives them little cuddles, touches, pinches their cheek. 250 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,840 He cares about his new men especially. 251 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:35,880 Creates an entire society for them, an entire backup plan, the perfect paradise for them 252 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,800 to keep them safe if he needs to. 253 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:39,800 They're not tools in his mind, but they're the future. 254 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,640 They're the future of the entire world. 255 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,600 He's not just working for the future of chaos or the Imperium. 256 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:50,160 He's working for the future of humanity to make his own humanity that will be a million, 257 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,520 billion times better than the Emperor's, that's for sure, because the Emperor's didn't work 258 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,040 out so now it's Fabius' turn. 259 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,120 Yeah, he balls pretty hard. 260 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,920 I think that's about it. 261 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:01,440 He's cool. 262 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,720 And we will cut it there. 263 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,760 Not pretty impassioned, I'd say. 264 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Definitely putting Fabius on quite the high level to be comparing him to Big E himself. 265 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:12,160 Yeah, bro. 266 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:16,160 The entire chaos relies on him, they can't even survive without him. 267 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,480 They use all of his, he's created, yeah, you know, chaos only exists because of Fabius. 268 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,080 With that being said there, Andy, are you ready for your rebuttal? 269 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,440 Oh, I am so ready. 270 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:26,440 Let's go. 271 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,200 And your time begins now. 272 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:35,240 Okay, so first of all, in a 1v1 versus Belisarius, let's talk about what Bile is rocking. 273 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,240 He's got the Rod of Torment. 274 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,240 Guess what? 275 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,160 It makes pain really bad. 276 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,160 Doesn't matter. 277 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:42,680 Calls made of steel, it's not going to do anything. 278 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,560 All his armor, the Arc Scourge, it exercises machine spirits. 279 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,320 I was funny little backpack. 280 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:49,320 Guess what? 281 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,800 He's going to make it defunct just by going snap of his fingers. 282 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,800 That doesn't work anymore. 283 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,240 Your armor doesn't work anymore. 284 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,240 No more machine spirit. 285 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,240 Done. 286 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:02,040 He's got the Solar Atomizer, a mastercrafted melter weapon capable of burning through tanks. 287 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,280 How's your little lab coat going to do against that? 288 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,000 He's got a mastercrafted Omnissine Axe that towers over Bile and let's not forget, Paul 289 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,520 is bigger than a Primark. 290 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,120 He's gigantic. 291 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:17,760 In a 1v1, you've got an old man with a little needler and a rod, a little cane against a 292 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:23,240 gigantic beetle man with a power axe that's capable of cutting through anything. 293 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:24,240 No contest. 294 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:30,800 He's got the Mechadendrite Hive, snaky loopy little appendages that'll grab you, engulf 295 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,280 you, stab you, throttle you, viviset you, whatever he wants to do. 296 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,060 He's got the Scryer Skulls, which basically analyze during battle what's going on. 297 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:43,360 We might have already seen the bit from the Gothic Armada 2 cinematic where he's talking 298 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,440 to the guys and he's doing threat assessments while he talks. 299 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Any mistake Paul makes, any single one, whether he moves his stance or he has a bit too much 300 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:55,720 weight distribution on one foot or he has a vulnerability in his armor, Paul goes weakness, 301 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,000 jab, done. 302 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,040 He's got the reaction times because he's a machine. 303 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,920 He's literally and figuratively a machine. 304 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,400 He's also got a refractor field. 305 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,280 It makes him cloaked in gravitic energy. 306 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,400 So not only is Paul going to have a bit of trouble identifying where Paul is when he's 307 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,880 trying to attack him, making him harder to hit, he also refracts strikes. 308 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:21,280 His refractor field can stop point blank las cannons and plasma guns. 309 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,200 What's your little cane going to do about that? 310 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,280 I just need to press upon this. 311 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,200 He is enormous. 312 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,360 He is chonk. 313 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:35,520 So you've got a multi-limbed, heavily armed, shielded titanic figure bigger than a Primark 314 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,080 with 10,000 years of experience with several people's experiences of battle. 315 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,080 Because remember, we don't know who he's been integrating into his mind. 316 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:44,360 He could have been getting generals. 317 00:17:44,360 --> 00:17:48,000 He could have been getting starchy soldiers and he could have been integrating that into 318 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,160 his knowledge of battlefields, tactics and how he did. 319 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Xyclos Nidor is cool. 320 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:58,280 How are you going to stand against this imposing beetle, armed to the teeth, armed with knowledge 321 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:03,320 and foresight, who knows every single one of your little tricks and goes, doesn't matter 322 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,440 mate, I know exactly how to counter this. 323 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,160 And I'm going to leave it there. 324 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,720 Oh, with not much time to spare as well. 325 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,720 Damn. 326 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,720 Okay. 327 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:13,720 I see. 328 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,720 I see. 329 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:20,760 So Eli started to talk about his Mr. Biles greatness, whereas Andy went straight for 330 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,960 yo, my dad is bigger than yours. 331 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,400 So I can beat you off your dad. 332 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Hey man, that's how it works in 40k. 333 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,960 The taller and bigger you are, the more authority you have and calls pretty big. 334 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:39,640 Yeah, that's why the avatar of Kane is clearly beaten up by things smaller than it. 335 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:40,640 Alright, listen. 336 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:41,640 Alright, listen. 337 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Yeah, listen. 338 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:43,640 The elder aren't involved here. 339 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,640 I thought Eli and I were in the versus matches episode. 340 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:47,640 Yeah, I'll show you. 341 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:55,000 I forgot in the memo, I think he thought the schedule meant you two were judging. 342 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Well, I do have a slight question for both of you. 343 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,480 I'll start with Eli. 344 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:08,280 What is something you think Fabius could make which Bellasaur's call could not? 345 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,760 As in what would you think he would be capable of that his rival wouldn't even come close 346 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:14,760 to? 347 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Well, a Primarch versus all and an entire species probably. 348 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,680 I don't think calls really made anything from scratch. 349 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,720 I think he's kind of just, you know, taking what he has and made it better. 350 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,160 Don't see a lot of original works coming out of this. 351 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,400 Hold on, your whole thing was, oh, he's made private, like he's literally copying the Emperor's 352 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:36,400 homework. 353 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:37,400 That's not a point. 354 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,360 But the, is his mutant populations though he's made from scratch and his new men are 355 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:43,360 barely bigger than space marines. 356 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,240 Let's put some horns on this one. 357 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,680 Let's make this one have like a weird. 358 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,680 Yeah, the cuties. 359 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,680 That's not building from scratch. 360 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:51,160 I'm going to take a look. 361 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,880 They'll die in the millions. 362 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,520 I'll overwhelm Bellasaur's call with my one billion mutant children. 363 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,280 You can't hit him because of his refractor field. 364 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:08,080 But that being said though, Andy, what's something you think call could make that Fabius wouldn't 365 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:09,320 be capable of? 366 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,640 Well, this is the thing. 367 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,800 I mean, just from the fact that he's interacted with a Katarn shard and he's experimented 368 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:20,840 with the sofa device, I reckon he could make something like a interplanetary dimensional 369 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,160 teleportation device or something which influenced travel. 370 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,280 But the thing about call is he knows where the line is and he goes Primarchs, that's 371 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,280 a bit far. 372 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,760 He could do it, but he goes, you know what? 373 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:32,760 That's not my place. 374 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,360 I'm going to improve upon the prime with the Primarchs marines and Bolters and tanks and 375 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:39,520 dreadnoughts because that serves the Omnissiah. 376 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,120 But I'm not overstepping the bounds of becoming a filthy heretic. 377 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:48,400 He only cause, you know, commits a little bit of heresy and then, you know, then cause 378 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,000 everyone else here to explain. 379 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Just a smidge of heresy. 380 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,000 I do have one. 381 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,000 I have one last. 382 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:00,880 Sounds like a spreadable how just just a smidge of just a smidge of heresy in the morning. 383 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:01,880 It's delicious. 384 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,480 I do have one last question, which I think Andy kind of touched upon in his section, 385 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,160 which is I'll start with Eli first. 386 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,200 Fabius Bial has to kill Bellasaurus call. 387 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,960 How does he do it? 388 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,440 One trillion billion million mutants and a whole space marine chaos space. 389 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:24,280 He can't do it on his own. 390 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,120 1v1 and he's too smart to fight a 1v1. 391 00:21:28,120 --> 00:21:33,200 And, you know, 50,000 apothecaries, 100,000 chaos space marines, you know, Abaddon that 392 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,680 is spoiler probably owes him something. 393 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:35,680 So there you go. 394 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,680 It's fair enough. 395 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:42,760 And Andy, I think you kind of touched on it earlier, but how would, you know, call has 396 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,840 to kill Fabius Bial. 397 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:45,840 How does he do it? 398 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:46,840 All right. 399 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,680 So by by Eli's logic. 400 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,480 One, he's got a favor with the avenging son. 401 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,880 He's like, can I get all of your ultramarines in the Astartes? 402 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:54,880 Cool. 403 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,880 Also, he's got the mechanic is cool. 404 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,480 Also, he's got the legios with the Knights and the Titans. 405 00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,480 Cool. 406 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,560 Plus, he's got his own space marine factions like the sons of Medusa and the ones that 407 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,560 are from the Red Vipers. 408 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,560 The Black Vipers. 409 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,600 Yeah, like he's got all these connections. 410 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:10,880 And that's when he's going. 411 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,360 I need to pull out all the stocks. 412 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:17,440 Remember, he's also got his call in theory, which could be making him 70 opponents versus 413 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,040 one in the case of cool light, because the thing is, Fabius can't use more than one body 414 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,280 at a time, more or less. 415 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,080 They're all independent forces. 416 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,080 All is like a hive. 417 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,200 He could go, I have all my call in theory. 418 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,400 I have my mechanicus, my night houses, the space marines, my Primark friends, my my 419 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,400 pal Celestine. 420 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:36,720 We've we're still on WhatsApp. 421 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,720 We're still good. 422 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:38,720 Get the Sisters of Battle involved. 423 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,160 Get the Black Templars involved. 424 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,440 Get the get it get the Vrain and her folks. 425 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,600 I think the Imperium is a little busy right now. 426 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,400 Well, again, you were saying he's got a million billion. 427 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,200 If pressed, call could be like, let's make a concerted effort to just obliterate Fabius. 428 00:22:54,200 --> 00:23:01,040 I think he's losing to the tyrannids on that 53 percent scale. 429 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,000 Well, they're also checking out certain designs. 430 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,320 The mechanicus has its priorities in the right place, if you ask me. 431 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,080 Well, I think there's some good arguments from both sides there. 432 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,800 I like that quite a lot. 433 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,800 The hive mind idea hatch hadn't crossed my mind before. 434 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:25,120 So I mean, if we talk about heresy, these two are both pretty, you know, I mean, I wouldn't 435 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:29,520 say it's a bonus and a negative on both sides. 436 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:35,320 I want a written apology about the bad things you said about my dad coming to get you. 437 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:43,200 Well, other than bringing our actual dads to fight in this YouTube episode, we'll start 438 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,200 on our very last round. 439 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,360 Eli, are you ready? 440 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,800 Yes. 441 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,520 You have one minute and it begins now. 442 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,520 All right. 443 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,240 Mr. Call has cost the average space marine player hundreds of dollars. 444 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,840 He has rapidly changed the space marine aesthetic in Warhammer forever. 445 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:06,320 His primaris art is hyper cringe compared to the classic space marines. 446 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,200 He can't even fit his dudes in the regular transports and he can't fit the regular dudes 447 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,200 in the primaris transports. 448 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,640 So you have to buy all of them. 449 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,200 Primaris marines fight for Mars instead of the emperor. 450 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,600 They don't know two poos about fighting chaos and the new foes and adapting. 451 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,080 Other legions literally kill them. 452 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Call also has big, big heresy, committed mega heresy, improved the emperor's work and it 453 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,960 took him like 10,000 years forever. 454 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,120 Bro, clones? 455 00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:37,640 AI clones colluding with Xenos? 456 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,720 I don't know, man. 457 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:39,720 I don't know. 458 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,240 And this guy says he's not a heretic. 459 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,240 I'm not buying it. 460 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,240 I'm not buying it. 461 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:48,320 He's been piggybacking off the real G, the emperor, this whole time based on his work. 462 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,800 And most of all, he has no pimp cane. 463 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:51,800 Call gets zero. 464 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:52,800 And your time is up. 465 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:53,800 Zero witches. 466 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,160 Zero pimp cane. 467 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,160 Call is apparently maidenless. 468 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,760 Andy, are you ready for your response? 469 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,080 Oh, I'm ready. 470 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,760 You have one minute and it begins now. 471 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,400 On that last point, Call does have a pimp cane. 472 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,160 It's in Battlefleet Gothic 2 cinematic. 473 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,680 You can see it when he gets off the ship. 474 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,400 So let's just brush the cane moment aside. 475 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,800 Let's be honest. 476 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,520 Fabius is a very impressive individual, but he ain't no Belisarius. 477 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,760 Yes, you've got your little freak army. 478 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,480 Yes, you tried to clone a Primark a few times and it didn't really work out. 479 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,480 It worked. 480 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,680 So let's be honest. 481 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,640 Belisarius has changed the game. 482 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,520 Like you mentioned, he has redefined what it is to be a space marine or a tabletop player 483 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,120 or a Xenos or a heretic. 484 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,200 Because guess what? 485 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,080 When you write the book, you get to say who's a heretic and who isn't. 486 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,600 And Belisarius is not a heretic. 487 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,720 He is a genius. 488 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,040 He is the Archmagus. 489 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,920 He is Big Brain Daddy. 490 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,440 He is Beatle incarnate. 491 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:58,120 And no matter how much cope I hear, I never hear a response to how can he beat him in 492 00:25:58,120 --> 00:25:59,120 a one on one? 493 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,120 He can't. 494 00:26:00,120 --> 00:26:01,120 How can he beat him in intelligence? 495 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:02,120 He can't. 496 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,120 How can he combat his vast armies? 497 00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,120 He can't. 498 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:06,160 Fabius is outclassed in every way. 499 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,160 And it's over. 500 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,160 Long reign the Omnissiah. 501 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:15,480 Well, well, well, Colin, how do you feel about those the minutes of hate? 502 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,720 There was definitely some vitriol going around. 503 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:26,440 I'd like the repeated naming of call is the Beatle that makes me chuckle. 504 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:31,440 I do have one final question for the contestants. 505 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:38,680 If I were to say drop a piece of a war hammer miniature, and as it does with every small 506 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,160 little thing you drop into your floor, vanishes directly into the warp forever, never to be 507 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,440 found. 508 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,440 Who could help me get something to find it? 509 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,320 Who would build a better device to help me find it? 510 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Eli? 511 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:58,400 Fabius already has web technology and knows how elder technology works. 512 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,920 So I think you have a pretty good bet there. 513 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,960 And it is mostly elder stuff that I drop on my floor and lose for eternity. 514 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,360 Andy, how how how might call solve this dilemma? 515 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,960 Well, you might you mentioned like, for example, you know how I mentioned he can analyze during 516 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,720 battle like don't remember he's got the entire mechanic us and all their scanning equipment 517 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,000 and all their vehicles and their fleets and all their ancient architect and all their 518 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,960 wondrous dark age of technology. 519 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,040 They probably have something in the back room that they're just like a bit like, oh, this 520 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,040 is precious. 521 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,440 But if you were in a bind, they'd be like, yeah, no problem. 522 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,680 And he's got his contacts throughout the Imperium. 523 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,160 Unlike Fabius, who's a bit of an independent war bands a cringe. 524 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,080 I'm going to work on my own like Bella's eyes. 525 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,760 It's like I know some elder who could help me out in the web way. 526 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,880 I've got my living saints, my Primarchs, my entire army, my night houses. 527 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,880 We'll figure it out. 528 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,880 No problem. 529 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,880 I got scanning devices. 530 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:50,880 I've got robots. 531 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,600 We're immune to an extent with the warp and its currents. 532 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,640 We know we got the know how we can get it done. 533 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,600 Those are good arguments on both sides. 534 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,520 I have one question I think both of them can answer. 535 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,680 I'll give it together or not. 536 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:11,360 But which one of them do you think understands perhaps the best geneticists in the entire 537 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,360 universe? 538 00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:17,520 The Emperor, who understands his work the best? 539 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,200 That's a good question. 540 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,920 I think it is probably actually just Fabius. 541 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Controversial opinion. 542 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,000 Andy do you feel the same way? 543 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,600 No, think of this way. 544 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,240 Belisarius has been in direct contact with the Emperor. 545 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,760 He's been studying not just like I have a box of scraps in a cave Iron Man style making 546 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,840 weird no Belisarius has like all the information. 547 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,320 He has all the samples. 548 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,960 He has countless test subjects. 549 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,560 He has 10,000 years of knowledge. 550 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,440 He's got the data volts of the Mechanicus. 551 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,400 He has the files and the archives on Holy Terror. 552 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:51,920 He's been in the presence of Primarchs. 553 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,660 He knows everything he needs to know. 554 00:28:53,660 --> 00:28:56,840 That's how he made a gigantic army of Primaris Marines. 555 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,840 He knows it back to front front to back and if he wanted to make a Primarch, if it wasn't 556 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,840 heresy he could do it. 557 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,720 I want to see a clip of Belisarius saying Fabius Bile will build this in a cave with 558 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,720 a box of scraps. 559 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,640 Well Colin, let us know your thoughts. 560 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,160 What are you thinking so far? 561 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,000 What's coming out on top? 562 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,360 What's your overall review of the argument so far? 563 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,080 Both presented good sides. 564 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,880 Of course there's the fact Eli has mentioned Fabius is definitely does not have the same 565 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,880 resource standpoint that Col has and is able to has done quite a bit with as much reduced 566 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,120 capacity. 567 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:45,420 But that being said in a war scenario just you don't get to go he has better stuff than 568 00:29:45,420 --> 00:29:47,200 me to avoid losing. 569 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,200 You just lose. 570 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,680 Especially when you've done the heresy that got you in that place in the first place. 571 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:55,840 If you didn't rebel you could have had access to but oh no you did it a whoopsie with being 572 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,840 a traitor. 573 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,840 Yeah obviously. 574 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,040 So it is very impressive Fabius has done with the limited resources he has but just going 575 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:09,760 well you know Fabius can't do what Col does because he has less resources you know like 576 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,360 or pardon me let me reword that. 577 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:16,320 I mean imagine what Fabius could do if he had Col's resources I don't find too much 578 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:20,200 of a defense because he doesn't have Col's resources. 579 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,040 That is a hypothetical. 580 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:28,760 That being said when I play strategy games I'm a big fan of the old reliable minimal 581 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:34,880 input for maximum output and Fabius' new man definitely the kind of thing I would gel with. 582 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,040 You don't need massive production facilities and other pre-existing knowledge like you 583 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,000 do with Primaris Marines. 584 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,640 He's made his new man and then they're out and about to do their thing so I think both 585 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,840 of them definitely have brought up good points. 586 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,200 Hal how are you feeling over it right now? 587 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,360 It's so tough for this one this might be like the closest we've ever had in terms of. 588 00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,360 And to be fair it's the first time we've pitted Warhammer versus Warhammer. 589 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,680 This one feels like incredibly close because they're both in a way they're kind of the 590 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,920 same thing and yet they are not in terms of how they show the same coin. 591 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,880 Yeah how they show their genius. 592 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:20,760 I do think Fabius isn't necessarily held back by what some would call morality as much as 593 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,600 Col isn't a little bit. 594 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:29,320 I like Fabius' experiments and all of his work is very much the it's not really with 595 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:35,280 a goal as much of a goal in mind it's all it speaks more to like can he do it and what 596 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,080 does he have a end goal in mind? 597 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,480 Just for the sake of doing it almost. 598 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:48,640 Yeah whereas Col isn't it's not that he's incapable of doing many of the things that 599 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:56,320 Fabius has he just has no interest slash directive to produce that he produced the Primaris Space 600 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:02,640 Marines because that's what first of all because the law writers made him and secondly because 601 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,400 that's essentially what he needed to do to help reconquer the galaxy in the Endometis 602 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,400 Crusade. 603 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,680 So is your critique that Bellisaurus is too busy to do other things therefore that's like 604 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,680 that's nice. 605 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,680 No he's too busy. 606 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,960 He's got a lot to do. 607 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,920 He's not out there making humans into cocaine powder because he has no interest. 608 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,040 Although saying that that is admittedly another criticism against Col you can say you know 609 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,200 he has a lot to do so he can't focus on these things that is a problem Col has. 610 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,320 Col definitely has a lot more on his plate or as Fabius is a lot more. 611 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:41,000 If Fabius had that constraint he wouldn't get nearly enough done and I don't think it 612 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,200 would be comparable if that were the case I'm just saying. 613 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,480 Yeah well yeah but that goes back to what I was just saying earlier just because you 614 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,160 know it's like the opposite of the resource thing like yeah if Col didn't have all this 615 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,120 stuff on his plate he could do this. 616 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,840 Well Col does have all this stuff on his plate so unfortunately it's a moot point. 617 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,440 Well I guess on the other side of that coin is Fabius has nothing occupying his time so 618 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:07,000 therefore he essentially makes people into powder which is for no reason. 619 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000 Terrible work. 620 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,840 There's actually no reason to do it. 621 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,880 I need you to you should be drugs now. 622 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,520 Yeah like again it's technically a waste of time. 623 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:17,600 Research purposes. 624 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,600 I need a new jacket you'll do. 625 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,560 He's just taking off the achievements pro. 626 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,100 Yeah a lot of his stuff is just I'm having fun doing it rather than he's actually trying 627 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:29,720 to accomplish anything. 628 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:31,780 He's 100% in the game. 629 00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:37,320 Some people go to Hot Topic to buy edgy clothes, Fabius Bile goes to Hot Topic to turn the 630 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,400 people in Hot Topic into clothes. 631 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,800 I think there's also I do have to remember as well like again Bellisaur's call has essentially 632 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,760 been immortal the entire time. 633 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,240 He's lived 10,000 years and Fabius Bile I think it's even said in the Fabius Bile books 634 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,600 when he talks to Trezin or Trezin sorry he goes I think Trezin says to him are you even 635 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,920 the original Fabius or are you just a memory of the original Fabius. 636 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,480 So is Fabius Bile actually dead? 637 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,160 So and again his ghost of a memory of a person. 638 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,200 And does his what's the is it the blight again the blight keeps coming up so it will kill 639 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,200 him every time. 640 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,080 Well he's cured right now with the wraith bone his OG form is coping. 641 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,600 I thought the wraith bone he basically had his memories his memories won't go but his 642 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,800 bodies always die if I remember. 643 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,600 Yeah but he's alive in the wraith bone. 644 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,840 I mean to be fair yeah that's how wraith bone stuff works to keep your soul it is your soul 645 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,720 in that thing like it's not like the necrons are like you know you remember but are you 646 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:39,720 technically same like you know wraith bone it's straight up your soul in that thing. 647 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:43,040 Guess doesn't does a call even need to do that though? 648 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,040 His body's not dying. 649 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,040 That is a very good point. 650 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,600 This is a really tough one because I like both these characters. 651 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:55,840 I have however come to a decision biased as it is hell if you need a bit more time to 652 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,880 discuss think on yourself I think I'm gonna know it as soon as I say it out loud so you 653 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:00,880 go first. 654 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,280 Alright as much as both sides are very good I have to say and again I will admit some 655 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,520 of this is biased going in but I'm going to give it to Andy. 656 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:19,600 I feel like Carl just simply has a far stronger position and if he were to feel he needed 657 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:27,400 to do the things Fabius does I feel like he would just it's a and while yes his five billion 658 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:33,120 other things on his plate would perhaps put some time in front of it. 659 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,880 Call I feel like could do with again he could do very much what Fabius does perhaps not 660 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,880 as good but good enough and in war good enough is all you need. 661 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,000 So praise the Omnissiah love me some tech braised. 662 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Love me machines. 663 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Love me machines. 664 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Love me machines. 665 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,000 Eh flesh just is. 666 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,000 How? 667 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,000 How about yourself? 668 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,000 Where's your decision? 669 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:06,000 It is essentially 50-50 for my brain but if I had to bring it down to one I think they 670 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:14,520 basically match on pretty much everything so I'm gonna say I think I have to give it 671 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,560 to Fabius just for the simple fact that I think he's probably on paper the slightly 672 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:27,120 better geneticist in terms of call would have to have resources and things to get to that 673 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:32,960 point Fabius has done the hard work he's not held back by essentially red tape I think 674 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,600 other than I think they match on pretty much everything else I think Fabius just beats 675 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:42,680 him on I think Fabius is the slightly the better genius so I have to give it to Fabius. 676 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,880 It's really tough that one. 677 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,760 I should also say going off the arguments Eli one of the things that definitely pushed 678 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:54,600 me towards Andy is when you brought up Fabius and his dark Eldar escapades and using Eldar 679 00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,920 technology I find it very difficult to support GW going hey look at this space marine character 680 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,600 using Eldar stuff again better than they do. 681 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,400 Thank you GW thank you. 682 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:11,280 I just like how Hal basically went like I'm just gonna hand wash atrocities by saying 683 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,480 yeah but it makes him better so it's fine. 684 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:18,640 He's not the better human but not at all I mean they're both not good people but. 685 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,400 They also yeah for going off morality at a certain point it's like yeah Fabius is worth 686 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,360 but it's like they're both pretty horrid. 687 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,720 I'm pretty sure like the whole Primaris marine thing is they take children in the tournament 688 00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:30,720 to see the soldiers. 689 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:36,680 All I'm saying is Cole doesn't have a weapon that just its entire intent is to make pain 690 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,200 just that's the priority he's like no I need to get out of the way. 691 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,200 He probably does have a weapon. 692 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,240 And then the product organ is just like oh I'm just going to inflict the most pain feasible 693 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,240 because it's funny. 694 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:49,360 It's like nah it does no it's just a bit much really. 695 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,600 I mean I almost I do I'm it's very close this one like I could have said either to be honest 696 00:37:54,600 --> 00:38:02,320 I just think Cole definitely out plays Bile on a lot of things but I think Bile just there's 697 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,960 a little bit of more genius to him. 698 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:10,680 It'll be interesting to see their banter in the upcoming book which is the impetus for 699 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:11,680 this episode really. 700 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,560 It's like yes new book coming out. 701 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,440 I should I should say that I think neither of these two are the best geneticist scientists 702 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:20,440 whatever in the galaxy. 703 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,520 They're neither of them are even the emperor. 704 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,000 Oh please clowns clown biggie. 705 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,000 The old ones. 706 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000 The real book should be the old ones probably but they're not around anymore. 707 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:38,920 The real battle should be Cesaras versus Yuri and Rakarth. 708 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,920 There's some geneticist. 709 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,920 All right well you're right. 710 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:49,160 It's the Necron the Necron guy versus the Dark Eldar guy. 711 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,160 There's some real geneticist though. 712 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,160 Necrons are so epic. 713 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,160 The human, human. 714 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,160 Thought I went ahead of him. 715 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,160 Love me real empire. 716 00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:00,680 The children of the old ones versus the children of the Katan. 717 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:06,760 Well with that being said though we hope everyone listening appreciated and enjoyed the content. 718 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:12,400 We again this was a tough one you had to let us know down below if you think we know which 719 00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:18,080 one you think won maybe or who had you know maybe an argument we missed because we always 720 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,080 miss an argument. 721 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,080 Please don't be anchoring us. 722 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,080 The judges are tied. 723 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,480 All right well now I'm really going with the call. 724 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,120 The judges are tied but the commenters you gotta carry it through. 725 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,920 Yes and if you're in the side chat please vote on the poll. 726 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,080 Let us know which one you're thinking is the superior. 727 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,040 There's no proper template of what we're judging on. 728 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,000 It's just I think in our minds we know who's the best. 729 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,280 And with that being said though thank you so much for listening and watching and we 730 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,320 hope to see you all on the next episode. 731 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,320 Peace. 732 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,640 Love you very much. 733 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,640 Bye everyone. 734 00:39:58,640 --> 00:39:59,640 Praise the Omniscience. 735 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:27,560 Love you.