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I will say though, that's a lot of cometh. There's a lot of cometh in that quote.

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I think that this is further proof that that whole, uh,

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God's are not real thing is a load of malarkey. The emperor's pushing.

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He has faith in everything he has. Stop.

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Stop being surprised. People turn religious.

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You can have, you can have faith in things which are not necessarily religious.

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I have faith that my delivery driver will come. He's delivering my pizza.

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I'm not putting my hands together and worshiping the pizza gods.

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Although maybe we all should cause it's divine.

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They've bestowed an extra garlic dip. Praise be.

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I praise be to him because Lord knows who cannot out pizza the hut.

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Hello ladies and gentlemen,

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and welcome back to the beginner to expert podcast on law crimes.

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We are continuing with our historical telling of both the,

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the time before and during the imperium. Uh,

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if you've been following what we've been doing for the last few episodes,

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you'll know that last time we were at the great crusade where we,

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we did an overview of the events and now we're starting to get into the nitty

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gritty of it because there's a lot to talk about with the great crusade.

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And today is no exception because we're going to be starting on probably the

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first of maybe three, four, five more parts where we're going to discuss all the

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different legions, but we'll get into that. To begin this episode though,

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it is time for the question of the week. Now,

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for those of you who are on our last episode, uh,

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the question of the week we had our friend dread and on on,

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which was very good fun. It was the blood Ravens episode and the hashtag was

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hashtag klepto. What would you steal from the 40 K universe?

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And I've got a few, uh, choice. I'm excited for this one.

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I'm really ready. Yeah. Oh,

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uh, there's, there's some, uh, some pretty good ones.

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So we'll start things off with a DJ beast. He's a regular commenter and a shout

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out to you, mate. We,

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we love to see you on the channel commenting on the live streams as such.

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He said, hashtag klepto. I would steal Ferris Manus with how much law that guy

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has. I don't think anyone would know he's missing until the 50th millennium.

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Oh, that's my iron heart.

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Oh, where's this guy live? I need to fight him.

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Definitely the highest rated one of all the comments. Fight him.

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What for being right? I didn't say he was wrong. I just had to fight him.

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He didn't say anything mean. He just said he has no law.

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I know. God, they really got ahead of themselves. I didn't they?

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Oh, I know. I know. I know. It sucks. Nice.

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So the second one we have is from, uh, is it casmud2131? He said,

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hashtag klepto. I would steal the L from the world eaters name to make it even

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easier for people to get their name mixed up with the word bearers, which is

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something I actually, that's a real issue. Isn't it? I actually had that.

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Yeah. I think I want to hit that guy with a brick.

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Yeah. But again, I'm pretty sure that was the second highest rated of all the

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comments as well. So like, yeah, by popular demand, if you, if you will.

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The word eaters, they aggressively read books.

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How many likes does, how many likes did it have?

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19. I want to hit 19 people.

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Aggressive library, literally, uh, even they have like librarians in Warhammer.

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These are like a legion of aggressive librarians and not the magic kind,

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the book kind. And they just.

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Book kind. And as they hit you, they're just going, shh, that's nice.

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Well, I'm beating you. Silence.

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How do I pronounce this? Uh, so the next one is from a Naryon Targaryen 6973.

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And he said, I would steal the sword of Cain from fantasy and take it to the 40k

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universe and give it to the elder so they can start killing named characters.

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Yes. Wow.

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Yes. Colin.

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Never had such a simp of a question.

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Colin's favorite subscriber now.

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Oh, based in Tyrion Pills.

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I knew it would make Colin happy.

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Colin has to answer that. Who's the first named character who gets it then?

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Uh, it'd be fun. Uh, you know, that's what I, that's what I need to think on.

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Cause it would be depending on, you know, there's a couple answers I think would be quite a poetic,

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you know, captain Artemis of the death watch probably has it coming after he ruined Inniad.

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Uh, it would be really funny if he just murdered, uh, like the lion immediately.

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Like, he just gets ganged.

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That would make me laugh. Calgar also would be pretty funny.

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He just needs to die. And I like the old runes more.

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So no man. Marne.

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What's the state for killing Calgar? What's that about?

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Marneas Calgor will live forever.

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That's right, baby.

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Calgor just needs to die. He's just so old, dude.

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There was one question I found that made me laugh really hard because of the second half of it.

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May I, may I give that one a breed? Yeah, go for it.

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This one is from Liz SP9LB and, uh, you know, hashtag klepto.

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I'd steal whatever Eldritch hair products allowed the emperor to have hair that straight,

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despite regularly holding a flaming sword six inches from his head.

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So first of all, that's a good point. However, the second part was also the episode was great.

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I can't believe Colin was able to record with the blood ravens actively tunneling into his home.

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Again, my bad on the construction timing did not work out very well.

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They do, uh, they do destroy in the life.

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There was just like the imperial fists are currently fortifying Colin's position.

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They're like brilliant.

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People are so funny. I also had the blood, uh, blood, blood angels. I always made the goof.

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We're not even in the podcast anymore.

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They do. He was, they were after me.

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Marry him.

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And the last comment I have is from, uh, CRDT2TM.

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You know how happy I just made you before, Colin?

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Uh, you might want to brace yourself for this one.

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It's going to get ruined, isn't it?

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Well, it's hashtag klepto. I would steal Colin's shit takes on Bretonnia, Chads,

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and offer them up as the greatest gift Nergal has ever received.

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Oh, I see. I see. I now want, I now want to hit 21 people with a brick.

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With one brick or more bricks?

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Listen, man, whatever it takes.

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Colin, did you see the post-punctuation?

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You don't want to bring one brick and then it shatters. You know, you need several just in case.

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Indeed. What'd you see?

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You see the deadlifts for the grail that I, that I, uh, mentioned you.

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Uh, I don't think I did.

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I'm going to need to not look at it right now because of the audio, but I will actually.

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Is he going to make, is that guy going to get a pipe sound effect now?

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We'll have to explain that at some point.

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Oh yeah. I'll explain it. All right.

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I'm going to save it.

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Save it. Save it for a good point.

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Wait till no one has it coming. Wait till you're done.

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In the middle of it.

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Uh, but, uh, yeah, uh, not a fan of Bretonia. Not a fan of that comment.

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10 out of 10 for me, baby.

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Oh, uh, with that said and done, we need, it's time for us to put up a new question of the week.

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And, uh, this one I believe was devised by Hal and it's, I think it's brilliant.

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Uh, so the hash, well, we'll say what it is first.

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So question of the week is, best chaos God to worship? Question mark.

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And the hashtag is chaos me daddy. So hashtag.

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Let's go.

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Who is the best chaos God and why would you worship them? You know, you can give a,

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assuming it's going to be mainly Slenesh, but we'll see.

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You can give a genuine answer if you want, or you can just make it, um, completely just brain dead

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ruined. If you know what I mean, we, we like all kinds of answers.

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We're going to ban anyone who says, um, malice or is that okay?

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mentioned the great horned rat. If you wanted to.

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Yeah. Cool.

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Praise, praise Hesha.

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Mayor Mayor cast for laborers,

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all the gold. Don't worry. They're not slaves. They're laborers.

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They're employed technically.

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but it is designed. It is a cool design.

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We're going to make dead list for the lady as well. Cause I got people asking.

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Yeah. I'm actually wearing a dead left. The dark, uh, dark scouts.

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Heddy, uh, anyway, anyway. Yeah. It's good.

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More fans much someday.

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One day. I have some ideas. Um, but yeah, with that all said and done and speaking of dead

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left for the dark gods, I suppose it's time to pass it over to Eli for, uh, the beginner section.

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I believe is that the case Eli?

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Really?

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That would be me.

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I, today we are going to talk about the first and third and fourth legions of space marines and

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what they were up to during the great crusade and maybe a little tiny bit slowly before that

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because they were kind of pretty sure all of them were around in the unification wars. So

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first of all is the dark angels, the first legions, the old geez of the space marines.

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We've talked about Lionel Johnson quite a lot on the channel. So I think many of our viewers may

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know a thing or two about these nightly honorable guys, but they were the absolutely first to start

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these to fight for the emperor and with the emperor. And we're once divided into six distinct

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combat wings known as the hexagram of time, which doesn't exist really nowadays as much as it used

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to, but it was big for them back then. They found their Primarch Lionel Johnson on the world of

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Caliban and quickly took to his nightly ways during the crusade. They had a record only rivaled by

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the Luna wolves and grew to become one of the largest legions until losing over 50,000 space

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Marines in the rang down, xenocides, uh, the Legion developed a rivalry with Lehman Russ and

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the space wolves and they had some issues, you know, internally with Mr. Luther, the Lionel

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Johnson second in command, almost letting Lionel Johnson be assassinated. Uh, the lion sense,

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Luther and some Legionaries back to the home world of Caliban. And this would prove to be

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a disastrous mistake in the times to come. How we'll talk about them a lot more in the expert

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section. The emperor's children were likely in my opinion, the most noble and regal of all the

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space Marine legions ever. And we're literally the best Legion before bad things happened. Uh,

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during the great crusade, they were so lauded and perfect that the emperor gave them and only

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them permission to bear the Palatine Aquila upon their breast because they saved the emperor from

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some insurgence and the emperor liked them very much. They constantly strove for perfection and

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anything less was seen as failure. They were loved by the Imperial army men and they were great

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leaders. They were truly the embodiment of perfection and all that the emperor desired

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for his space Marines. They were kind of similar to the salamanders. I'd say before fulcrum came

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along and even afterwards, at least with how the humans liked them. Uh, see once they found fulcrum

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things got a little bit better because before fulcrum they were suffering, suffering horribly

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from a blight within their gene seed and a lot of gene seed like disasters. Um, but Fabius kind of

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got them through that. Fulcrum helps them more on that later. Fulcrum who leads them is a Phoenician.

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He is the most beautiful of the Primarchs, uh, rivaled by Synguinius, but Fulcrum's all natural

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baby Synguinius has wings and stuff. So let's get him out of there. He's, uh, the Legion was full of

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sublime swordsmen, many artists, but when they came to the planet of Lair, everything changed and

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things went downhill. The fourth Legion were the iron warriors. They still are the iron wars. Uh,

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they're determined and brutally efficient. Their gene seed was very stable. So they were very

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numerable in the early times of the great crusade and the unification wars and all that jazz.

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Uh, and they originally saw very, very good success in the opening stages of the great crusade and they

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had tons of warriors and lots of fancy war machines, but they never changed their ways

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throughout the crusade as all the other legions kind of adopted their own wacky fancy combat

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styles and ways of warfare that were usually fueled by pride a lot of the time, more than anything

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else. Um, and they just very flashy depending on the Legion, I guess. Uh, but the iron warriors

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never changed was made them very reliable for certain types of warfare, which unfortunately

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meant the, uh, Imperium sent them to kind of the worst war zones to fight in grueling siege battles

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in very, uh, un-glorious wars with no attention really. So nobody gave them any thanks nor really

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paid attention to them. The other legions thought they were kind of, uh, they didn't really have any

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honor because of their ways of attrition and they just became relentless and apathetic, which only

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got worse when they met Perturabo, who, uh, ordered decimation upon seeing his Legion. He would later

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then send them into grinding and bloody wars, sowing out all of the weakness in them and letting

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only the strong survive. Uh, so they were basically already severed from the Imperium before the Horus

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Heresy and they were very much on their own. But I will let Hal begin on the expert section and get

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into the nitty gritty of all these things. Thank you very much, Eli. I'm not gonna lie. My mind is

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still thinking of the, uh, law crimes much from earlier and I was thinking cause law crimes with

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jumpsuits and like, like things written about. I do have the idea of like all of us in front of,

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you know, like the police, like the grid, the lines with like the, you hold up the number and then.

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Oh, like, yeah. Oh my God. That'd be pretty good. I have some ideas for some designs. So we'll see.

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We're just like Warhammer quote is written wrong. Like loyalty, loyalty is his own special discount

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or something like that. Something, uh, yeah. All right. And wrong. Bring forth the corrupt

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politicians death, death to the false, um, clown God or something, you know, just like,

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just like a little bit off kilter. Um, leave Jaggerack alone, bro. Sorry. But, uh, we're not

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speaking of law crimes much today. We're speaking of the, uh, first few legions in the great crusade.

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And we do begin with the dark angels Legion. Uh, obviously with the return of Lionel Johnson,

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it's probably quite a few of you who are like, either you're just learning about Warhammer or

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you're already in it. And you kind of like, Oh, these guys are getting a lot of love recently.

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And for good reason, because the dark angels Legion were actually the prototype Legion formed

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in the Imperial palace towards the latter part of the 30th millennium. They would be the very

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first experimentation with Astarte's gene seed. They were literally the template from which all

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other legions would be created. And a lot of their recruits that were drawn from the Legion, a lot of

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the other legions, they would draw from like similar places, people from different backgrounds.

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The first Legion that they're known at the time, um, they actually had, uh, recruits come from

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all cultures across terror at the time. Um, they didn't have anything, uh, unifying them.

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many of the different, uh, Terran born, uh, kingdoms that had fallen or capitulated to the

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rise of the emperor. In fact, the first Legion being the first Legion, they had access to

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many of the tactics, war gear and intelligence that would be tested first within them and then

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given to the other Legion. So they were very much the testing ground and pretty much the first,

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uh, Astarte's that would see open warfare. And obviously the first time humans would come across

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Astarte's and get crunked in battlefields, not fun for them. And they did, uh, even towards the

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latter part of the great crusade, they still had access, some of the better guns and technology.

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It's even said they had access to equipment from the dark age of technology, which if you are new

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to Warhammer, that's the time period where it was humanity at their sort of height. Uh, this was

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many millennia before. And so they were given sort of a, a bit of an edge, a little bit unfair. We

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could probably say, I'm not sure, but. Well, I know the rationale was like, we are on stage one of

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reclaiming the galaxy. We need to give them every advantage they can get to just kill anything.

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galaxy before the Astarte started like, like they exterminating, yeah. And that was like,

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nasty creatures. I know in the, I was just saying before this reading of listening to the

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Cofonia reckoning book, where there's a few dark angels involved from there talking about like,

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Oh, they have a void cannon. Like, Oh, that's dangerous. That they shouldn't have that. That's

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really day. Oh, that's all cataclysmic damage. They should, Ooh, and they have like vortex guns

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and all sorts of crazy stuff that you wouldn't see in the current setting. Cause imagine the

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tabletop, like I play one dark angel. He uses void cannon. I win. They probably also have the,

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they have the KFC recipe as well. Uh, this is not confirmed, but, um, even with their surgery scars,

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still fresh, the first Legion was sent to the field of battle as they took part in the purge of the

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Thunder Warriors, which were the previous iteration of super soldier created for the emperor of

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mankind. Um, there's a really cool part in the Constantine Valdo book, which is where it's the

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last sort of attempt of the Thunder Warriors to rebel against the emperor who's trying to

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ax them, shall we say. And the Thunder Warriors are described like bears in combat. They're large,

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stocky, brutal, but the Astartes are described like wolves. They move faster. They're a bit smaller

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than Thunder Warriors, but their gene seed is much more stable and they work together in packs and

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they kind of tear apart the Thunder Warriors as like litchy wolves fighting bears. Although I've

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mentioned it before on the podcast and I love how Usher Tan, the Primarch of the Thunder Warriors,

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is like, they fight like they're constipated. You're like constipated. Oh, poor space marines

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being like gapped at by the Thunder Warriors. That guy's nutty because his first appearance in

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lore is like him, Constantine Valdo looking at him and then he just looks at him and goes,

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this is fun. He's just revving his chainsaw and attacking civilians. Like, oh my God.

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Isn't it amazing how everyone who serves the emperor either gets killed by him or tries to kill him?

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That's a, almost like he's a bad guy. Yeah, that's true, but I don't, that's not something we can.

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My heresy detector is twinge, I don't know, like I'm sensing some heresy here. That's a theory I

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can't quite tackle now because of spoilers. Orc and Mork never did anything better than their

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followers. True. Unless they're busy headbutting each other. True. They even resurrected their

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followers, don't they? Yeah, that doesn't matter right now. Or give them visions as well,

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the blessed visions. But the first legion at this time now, so they're openly declared in the

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Imperium, which is only on Terra still. They are simply known as the first legion because there

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were no other legions generally at the time. And were as angels of death. Angels of death. So the,

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over the years of the unification wars, their arm and equipment would become more sophisticated,

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better with the alliance with the Mechanicum of Mars. They would also get better powered armor,

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because at the time, they don't have quite the powered armor you see in the models, on the

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tabletops like Mark VI. At the time, they're using much more bare bones stuff, even their

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bolters are not as sophisticated. So they, people often ask, why do they not unite Terra very

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quickly? It's because they didn't have good stuff until they got to the stars, really.

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And I will start with a first quote here. I think I'm going to hand that to Andy, if you see that

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in the sidebar chat here. This is a little taster of how the Dark Angels are. Take it away.

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I do like my Dark Angels.

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Since the founding of their legion, at the birth of the Imperium, the Space Marines of the Dark

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Angels have been dreaded by their enemies and held in awe by those they protect. Stubborn and

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relentless in battle, ever vigilant and zealous in their pursuit of their duties. Dark Angels are

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among the Emperor's most faithful servants. Yes. That's not my point.

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It was a mic drop, shall we say. So, duty will come up quite a bit with the theme of the Dark

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Angels, or not quite Dark Angels yet, shall we say. So, the first legion, they now launched to

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the stars with the Great Crusade. They elect a Grand Master named Hector Cain, because at the

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time there are no Primarchs. There are simply Astartes and the Emperor. And they start to begin

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the conquering of the Great Crusade, launching out, fighting horrifying Xenos, non-compliant

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colonies of mankind. Basically, the kill count starts rising at this point. And for nearly a

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century, the legion would fight. Much of it was broken apart into multiple expeditionary fleets,

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because they had such a high number of legionaries. Obviously, being the first one created,

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they had a lot more recruitment. Not a lot of love in these death soldiers, shall we say.

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And this would all change, though, when the legion came across a death world named Caliban. This one,

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funny enough, very significant. It's going to come up quite a lot. And the death world of Caliban

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was just an overgrown forested area. And when the legion came upon it, they descended down

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and to their utter shock, and also their joy too, they found their Primarch, Lion L. Johnson.

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the lion was found sort of middle of the pack. And despite being the first legion, they were,

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they still consider themselves, you know, many a template and a founder to all the other ones. They

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didn't have their Primarch for a while. So, it's a bit of like a chip on their shoulder. But now they

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have found their Primarch. And with the return of their Primarch to the legion, they would literally

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change forever. They would, the recruitment for the legion would now no longer come from terror,

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but from the world of Caliban itself. The legion was renamed to the Dark Angels, which is after a

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Calibanite myth, which is, so as you can start to see that Caliban starts to permeate the legion,

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even though they didn't have such a strong and distinct culture like some of the other legions,

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the, it's quite common that a lot of the Primarchs would mold the legions and the lion was no

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different. The lion would also bring in a culture of secrecy to the legion. So the Dark Angels are

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quite unique in the sense they have a ranking system so that accolades and different, like prizes,

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prizes, not the right word, but like different levels of responsibility are given with different

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levels of knowledge within the legion. So some may be a sergeant or a captain, but then the sergeant

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may have more knowledge about a certain secret set within the Dark Angels. Therefore he might

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be of higher rank in certain situations. A little bit confusing, but basically to say there's a

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certain amount of espionage going on in the background. The legion also takes on a little

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bit more of a Celtic Teutonic knight visual to their armor. I'm actually gonna tap in Colin here

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a little bit because for some people who might not know Colin, would you like give like a brief

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rundown about who the tectonic knights are? Just cause a little side bit of history here,

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if anyone doesn't know. Oh, oh, actual Teutonic knights. Yeah, actual ones. No, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, just the real history ones. They were a German group of knights, most famous for

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after their crusades into the Baltic regions and helping to bring Christianity to like Poland,

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Lithuania, those areas. And also that really cool painting in the battle where the ice is cracking

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under their feet and the frozen lake. Battle of Brunwald? I believe, I think it was. I will

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admit it's been a while since I've looked much into Teutonic knights. But yeah, crusaders just

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instead of in the Middle East, they were in Eastern Europe. If you'd like a very brief summary of them.

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I'll go for it. Yeah. No, I mean, that's my brain. Like I said, it's been a minute since I've

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looked into them. That era of history was not quite much my specialty, I'm afraid.

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But yeah, that's the rough little summary. If you're curious about what's the origin

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Teutonic knights, what are those German crusaders who went to Eastern Europe?

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They take on, they take on quite a few of the armor styles of this, like cultural influence as

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well. Although it does lean a little bit more on the Celtic side with Caliban itself. So it's a

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little bit more speaking about the palace, like greens and there's like things with ivy and leaves

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and they have certain relations to this is this is like a thing I just noticed myself. So it may not

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be confirmed, but how certain scroll work is made on like the British Isles has a similar theme to

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the castle, the order in Alderwick on Caliban, the part where the lion grows up. There's a little bit

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of influence there, but we're not going to get too much into that. The lion also chains the legion,

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bringing in the hexagrammaton, you know, the as we mentioned earlier in Eli's beginner section there.

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This was a structure that divided the legion into various wings. I have got them all out.

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We did actually do a quiz on this. Or we should have remembered it by heart, but just a brief run

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down there as the Dreadwing, Ravenwing, Deathwing, Firewing, Ironwing and the Stormwing Protocol.

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These are not all continue to the modern 40k timeline as well. There is an interesting thing,

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like the the Deathwing and the Ravenwing are in the Dark Angels, but for example, the Dreadwing,

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I think, is in the Angels of Vengeance. So they kind of split a couple of them off to a couple of

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their successors. So they exist, but they're in separate chapters. There's also some smaller

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orders within the legion, like as I mentioned earlier, there's ones referred to as the Knights

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of Centalus, which are charged with keeping certain secrets about the order. So they have

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a quite a complex structure, the legion. The Dark Angels now with their Primarch and Astartes together,

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they would renew their efforts within the Great Crusade. They would participate in the compliance

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of Moloch, which is a world that will come up later as we talk about the Great Crusade. But it's a

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world where the Emperor actually erased the memory of the conquest of this until the some of the

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Primarchs will come across it much later because the world holds significance, but that's spoilers

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for now. They also participated in the Rangdang Zenosides, which we have mentioned a few times

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on the channel so far. This one was, it's a horrifying conflict of the Rangdang, which were

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like a manipulative race that put like control cards, praise card. They put like,

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space cards, praise card. They had them, they would use other sentient life to fight their battles.

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And this was so devastating, as Eli said earlier, that they, the Dark Angels lost a huge number of

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Astartes. And there was even with the Primarch Lionel Johnson, you know, the tactical genius that

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he was, they still couldn't, there was just no way around it. They had to fight and get stuck in.

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And it was the biggest war throughout the Great Crusade. And it sort of shift the balance of

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legions after. So now the ultramarines and sons of Horus were now the most numerous after that one.

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The Legion also battled in the subjugation of Sarosh. This was a planet they believed to be

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compliant, but they were tricked. The people of Sarosh had feigned compliance in a way. And they

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said they wanted to speak to the Primarch, but it was actually an assassination attempt on the lion.

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They tried to get a-

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Just like when they get there and the White Scars have been trying it for a while and they're just

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like, you do it. Like, this is infuriating. They're like, oh, I want to join, but I don't know.

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And the White Scars are like, later losers, we're going to go somewhere else and do something useful

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because this is just boring.

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Later losers were going shopping. That's confirmed from Jagatai Khan.

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So the Sarosh almost successfully detonate a nucleonic bomb within the Legion's flagship

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with the lion there. But this was prevented by the figure Luthor and Sahariel. Luthor was the

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adopted father of the lion and he almost let it happen because he had some jealousy of him growing

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up and the lion obviously being so far above him. But the Legion was spared any horrific damage

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and they didn't have time to think about it. So they just descended to the world very quickly.

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And they found this horrifying Xenos creature that the people have been enslaved to and they

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have been feeding the bodies of like basically the Imperial delegates who had come in like

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thousands upon thousands of dead. So it was like a horrifying psychic creature, which they did use a

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psychic bomb to annihilate, but it kind of changed the Legion after this as the, as I said earlier,

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in Eli's part, the trust between Luthor and the lion was broken and the lion himself and so much

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secrecy involved in the Legion. Some level of trust, the level of trust wasn't there anymore

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to a certain degree. And so parts of the Legion were sent back to Caliban to be recruiters,

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which would then cause trouble. But that's something we'll talk about in its own video,

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I'm sure the events on Caliban. The Legion then went to battle with the Crave, which they'd

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previously fought a little bit in the Rangdans Enosai. They were the Crave. They were held,

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Enos P. 2? They were, they were held by the, the Rangda actually had part of control of some

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Crave. So they had come across the Crave a little bit, the Dark Angels, but they had come now to the

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Ghoulstars to confront the, I'm going to screw this name up, it's the

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Autokhtor, it's Autokhthor, Thonar, it's a very, I can't remember how to pronounce this one, it's a difficult name.

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No, no, this one is a unique Xenos, but it's actually an ancient weapon created, supposedly

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people suspect in the time of the war in heaven. So very long time ago. And this weapon probably

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is an Eldar thing. It might be, but actually this weapon's thing is it actually birthed the Crave,

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which are kind of, just seeing the actual image of a Crave, they kind of look like a vampire,

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like the proper, you know, almost transformed vampire. So very bat-like, which I didn't realize.

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The other thing is whenever you mentioned Crave, it just makes me think of that terrible cereal brand.

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Oh my God, the Fyrwod chocolate. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, and they're like, they're like,

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the, the marve thing is that they like run after you and chew at you. And I'm like, that's

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weirdly fitting, like, and then the Crave happened, you know, get it away. Crave is delicious.

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I know. I tried that. I was like, Oh, this is, oh, War Crimes 4, War Crimes 4. Comment below if you like Dr. Pepper or Ginger Ale.

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It's Dr. Pepper. Say Ginger Ale. Can someone explain the lore behind this?

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Contention. Yeah. Eli's Canadian. Canadians have shit taste and soda.

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Spicy taste. I'm flying. I'm getting my plane ticket to America right now.

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Thing is I like the taste of Dr. Pepper, but it gives me an upset stomach. So I'm going to have

402
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:29,080
to go with Ginger Ale just on principle. Dr. Pepper all the way. Coming back to England. Oh yeah.

403
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But with that being said, they do manage to destroy the Crave. Sorry, the Crave, I don't want to say

404
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,600
it again, but the basic, the thing that makes the Crave, the Xenos weapon slash sentient being.

405
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It's quite a sad bit because one of the Legionary sacrifices his life to blow up the Crave's nest.

406
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And it creates like a psychic backlash that allows a lion to basically throttle the thing.

407
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Basically, you know, annihilate it. With this though, the Legion now return, the lion returns

408
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:12,920
mostly intact, sort of back to the Legion. And the Legion is battling in the Shield Worlds region.

409
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,400
And this is where they would learn of the rebellion of Horus.

410
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I bet that was a old one's creation, actually, because the old ones created a whole lot of

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species during that time. Fight the Necrons. Possibly. They don't specify though, who created

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00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:38,040
the like origin Crave Xenos. Yeah, but they also don't say technically who the warp entity Magnus

413
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:44,040
talked to, to give up his eye to. They don't technically say who it was. I think we can guess.

414
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:52,280
It's just a general imply that it's ancient. Very, very ancient. If you ask me, I think they were

415
00:34:52,280 --> 00:35:01,400
just craving a bit of attention. With that being said though, we should obviously mention, because

416
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:07,400
someone might be like, huh, that doesn't make sense. The second Legion, redacted from history,

417
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:14,200
they, all we know was they possibly participated in the Rang Danxenocides. And then they were erased

418
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:19,800
from history. Second Primarch, we've mentioned some previous law in our Primarch videos about

419
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the second Primarch, but essentially, as the second Legion, there's no real like true

420
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,880
information, unfortunately. Did you have something to say, Con? He was arrogant, or no, he was

421
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:38,120
humorless and possibly hypocritical. That's all we have, according to Fulgrim talking about him.

422
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:45,640
Well, speaking of Fulgrim, Eli is trying to talk about the prettiest boy in all of the Legions.

423
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Who's dead? Who's dead? What? Who's dead? He lives on in my heart. I go to bed with a framed

424
00:35:54,840 --> 00:36:01,000
picture of him and I'll give, I'll give that maybe sanguineous in his best moments might have been a

425
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,520
bit more fabulous, but Fulgrim was definitely the prettiest. All natural, baby. I don't know about

426
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:14,360
that one. All right, I guess I will talk about the Emperor's Children. Feel free to pitch in

427
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whenever I miss anything, because my brain is spinning gray and completely inside of Warhammer

428
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:25,160
40k and not 30k lately. I love the Necrons, but we're not talking about Necrons today.

429
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:32,760
So the Emperor's Children primarily came from Europa for their gene stock of Space Marines.

430
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They were all nobles and aristocrats, so they were all very, already very regal and noble

431
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,600
and good at leading, which is one reason why they put them with the Imperial Guard so much and kind

432
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:48,280
of divvied them up, sort of like the Mentor's Chapter, for small units of Space Marines kind

433
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,080
of supporting Imperial Guard, leading their offensives and operations. And in this way,

434
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,320
the Imperial Guard loved them. They really looked up to the Imperial Army, I guess not the Guard at

435
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,240
the time, but they loved the Emperor's Children and really looked up to them. And the Emperor's

436
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:08,200
Children were prided and lauded about being so nice and honorable, perfect, humble, all the good

437
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,520
stuff because they're so great. They were the only Legion, like we said before, to be given the right

438
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,480
to bear the Palatine Aquila, because they protected the Emperor against some insurrectionists fighting

439
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:23,400
to the last man with valor that the Emperor had never seen before. The Emperor was wounded by a

440
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,720
vortex weapon, I believe is the lore behind that, and they fought alongside the custodians to protect

441
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:36,440
him. And in this way, they were kind of given a title and a reputation that they felt that they

442
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:41,800
needed to live up to, so they really strived to be absolutely perfect and to be the best, because

443
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,600
they were literally the Emperor's Children. Out of all the Space Marine Legions, it was only them

444
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,880
who were given the right to wear this Aquila until after the Horus Heresy, where I'm pretty sure all

445
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,040
the Space Marines have it, but that doesn't really count. So you're basically saying they just

446
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:01,400
basically went, notice me Senpai, until he did, and then they were happy. It worked.

447
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,920
They were a smaller number, like I said, they were spread out on missions of diplomacy,

448
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:14,280
and kind of acting as escorts even, and bodyguards to important Imperial diplomats and nobles.

449
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:22,360
Good for them. Yeah, it was a good time. They weren't really like the other Legions as much,

450
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,080
they weren't quite as feral and bloodthirsty as a lot of the Space Marines. They didn't see quite

451
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:33,480
as much action, I'd say, because there wasn't as many of them. But yeah, I think at the time,

452
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,320
you could literally say they were the best Legion, because there was only like, I don't know, a few

453
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:43,240
at this point. Wasn't it the case that they were drawn from the defeated, like, ruling empire,

454
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:47,560
the sons of the defeated rulers of like, Terra. So when the Emperor was like, I'm killing this,

455
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,920
this uprising of these, this big army. Oh, you're now part of the Imperium, your son,

456
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,080
who would have been the king in your place is now an Emperor's children. And that's why there was

457
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,720
so few, because they were all, like you said, aristocrats, but they were also like, the blood

458
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:07,400
lines of proud peoples who were all having their little kingdoms. Yeah, that sounds right to me.

459
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Unfortunately, for the third Legion, disaster strikes when a ship of all their genes seed mysteriously

460
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:19,720
disappears, as later found 10,000 years later, with trays in the infinite. But that, or that,

461
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,840
that does, that deals a large blow to their numbers already. And worse than this, a large,

462
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:33,000
the rest of their genes seed basically gets corrupted by the flesh blight, which takes a very

463
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:40,440
long time to weed out of the Emperor's children in general as Fabius Bile, not Chief of Apothecary at

464
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,640
the time, but might as well have been spent all of his days at that time, like literally just killing

465
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:50,760
his brothers, unfortunately. So most of the Legion was called to get rid of the blights,

466
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,920
and it did kind of work. The blight stopped, but there's only 200 guys left. And Fabius Bile

467
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,440
technically still had the blight, but he didn't tell anybody. Yeah, it's briefly mentioned in his

468
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,560
books, isn't it? He's like, Oh no, here it comes again. In case of the blight. Thankfully, I'm the

469
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,840
doctor and I can forge the records. I'm just going to make another body for myself and go in that

470
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:17,320
until that's taken by the blight and just ad nauseam do that. Why not? Yeah. Fabius is basically

471
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,960
the main character of the Empress. I think I can say Fabius is the main character of Chaos Space

472
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:27,240
Marines at this point. There's a really good part. I had to ask everyone, Phil was the same way, but

473
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:33,000
there's a part he mentions, I think in the Fabius books, isn't it? When he talks to Trezend,

474
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:39,000
is it Trezend? Trezend the Infinite. And he says, I think Trezend says to him, which one was the real,

475
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,920
like Fabius? Because is the real Fabius the one who technically, the original body that has died

476
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:50,120
and you're, are you even the same consciousness? You know, is the actually Fabius Bile really dead

477
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,200
and you're just like an echo of the real man or something? There's like an interesting

478
00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:00,440
sort of thing. Very ironic coming from a Necron. Yes. I do like, I think in the Inquisition game,

479
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:05,480
he's like the final boss and he's just like, oh yeah, Fabius. And you're like, oh, he's not that

480
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:11,400
one. That one's weird. I never got into that game. That sounds cool. It's a Diablo cloth. Yeah,

481
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,160
that's why I've never played it, but I've seen the cut scene and he's just like, I'm Fabius.

482
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,000
He's like, oh, he's going full like mustache twirling villain mode. Brilliant.

483
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:25,320
Nice. Geez. Fabius Bile books are epic. You should read them if you have not read them

484
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,080
yet or listen to them. But first you should read Infinite and the Divine.

485
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Or Twice the King. Actually consume all Necron propaganda that you can.

486
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:39,480
It's only like four books. It's fine. If I'm not even propaganda, it's an old married couple going

487
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:46,440
in for 10,000 years. This is all propaganda from the deceiver. Do not listen to Eli. Glory to the

488
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,240
Zarek. Glory to the dynasties. The warriors of the war in heaven shall rule the galaxy.

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All flesh shall crumble before the night that will befall you. All the unclean lesser beings.

490
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,840
You're going to hate a line in the Infinite and the Divine. I promise I'll shut up about the

491
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,320
Infinite and the Divine after this. You're going to hate a line from Orican, though.

492
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:14,360
It's not broad important, but he's so it's not too much. I know. I know Orican's not happy about

493
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:19,960
the transference. He said to not do it in the beginning. He's fighting some Eldar and he

494
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:25,880
admits that both them and the Necrons are perfect in their own way. Oh, respective way. You know,

495
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,560
I'll give him that. I'll give him that. I'm OK with that. But everyone else,

496
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,600
everyone else is not so lucky. Anyways, back to 10,000 years before that stuff happened,

497
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:44,600
they found Fulgrim on the beautiful world of Chemos. Chemos, Chemos. I think it's Chemos.

498
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It's a place of wonderful efficiency and art where people have plenty of time to pursue their

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00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:56,600
hobbies and passions because of Fulgrim's work to make the once barren, dying planet into this

500
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,960
efficient paradise where he basically has repaired all the machines and made everything nice and

501
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:06,440
better so that people didn't have to work as much. Is this where you want to come in, Hal? Is this

502
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,880
Hal? Is this your thing? There is a part where he does do that famous speech. Do you want to mention

503
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:20,520
that very quickly when he gets reunited with his legion? I can say that I can I can say it.

504
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,240
Well, basically, he's fine. The speech as is. Oh, no, I think there's a speech out there. We

505
00:43:25,240 --> 00:43:30,920
don't have it on hand, unfortunately. But I'm lacking. I'm lacking. So good. When Fulgrim does

506
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:37,400
get reunited with his legion, he only finds 200 warriors, I think. Yeah, it's 200 fellas. And I

507
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:43,720
think he kneels before them, though, which he does. And he gives like such a heartfelt speech. I think

508
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:52,040
even the emperor approves and says it was really not the word worthy, but it was such a good speech

509
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:56,680
that he gave to his 200 sons. I think he speaks. I think it says he speaks to them as if they were a

510
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:02,120
full legion because they feel very like ashamed because they found their Primarch and there's only

511
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:09,480
200 of them left because of all the blight and the. Yeah, pretty much. So they feel very embarrassed.

512
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:17,320
But now Fulgrim is reunited with his legion. This is a good time for the legion because they start

513
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:24,040
to basically repair and they can source actual genes from Fulgrim so they can rebuild the legion.

514
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:31,320
And this begins the events of Fulgrim just taking over his legion. And one of the first acts he would

515
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:38,040
do would he would lead his legion to the world of Beisass. And this is very significant in the

516
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:44,440
legion's early career because Fulgrim declared that he would conquer this world with only seven

517
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,920
men. And everyone's probably thinking, oh, that makes sense because Fulgrim's arrogant as hell.

518
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:56,280
But this is the young Fulgrim still and his actual true reasoning for this is he has a certain amount

519
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,320
of fear for his legion because a lot of the time they have been previously used as champions,

520
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:08,920
as I mentioned. And he fears that the legion would essentially be sacrificed and broken apart

521
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,800
because they're just seen as like a lesser legion. They're just, oh, they're just useful for being

522
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:20,680
involved in the Imperial Garden. So he wants to make a name for the legion in a way so he can keep

523
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:28,200
what would now be the growing legion sort of united together. And he's so he's not doing it for selfish

524
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:37,400
reason, reason, sorry. And the world of Beisass is essentially just, it's not a very advanced world,

525
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:43,080
but this would be like the first time when the legion would bring together basically Terran

526
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:49,960
recruits and some of the first Chemosian recruits together and they would descend down this planet,

527
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,480
which is similar to Earth in a way. There's kind of kingdoms and their technology is somewhat

528
00:45:55,480 --> 00:46:01,320
slightly advanced from what we have today. And Fulgrim finds himself quickly immersed in the

529
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,360
middle of like a political game. He's not launched, there's many times people question throughout why

530
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,240
he hasn't launched the entire third legion. But again, he's trying to prove a point and he's

531
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:19,160
trying to set a, you know, a standard which is, you know, my legion are amazing, they do not need to

532
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:26,440
be broken apart, you know, that I won't allow it to happen. And there's actually a really amazing

533
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:31,320
scene where Fulgrim and the Emperor's children, they are walking through the streets of Beisass

534
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:37,320
and also they're seeing this superhuman demigod and ornate beautiful armor and his warriors and

535
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:43,480
gleaming, you know, purples and golds. And there's a little bit of a divide within the legion at this

536
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:48,920
time, because there are some who they have the previous Terran veterans and they are, again,

537
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,440
they're Terrans, they are noble warriors, but they're kind of nobles. And the Chemosians are

538
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,880
seen as, or they see themselves sort of more like, not as in they are nobles, but they see themselves

539
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:04,680
like that as a little bit of discrepancy. And then many don't like Fabius Bayer at the time,

540
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,680
because he's not a very beautiful man, unfortunately. They're already calling him the

541
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:14,920
Spider. Yeah, they call him the Spider. Even some of them start to make the mistake of thinking,

542
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:19,800
people try to touch their armor in the crowd and one of them is like, get off me, you know,

543
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:27,320
don't touch me. Get off my lovely armor. Fulgrim is not happy with this, because Fulgrim delivers

544
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:33,560
like a speech to his own men, telling him about his humble upbringing, how he'd work in the mines

545
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,160
until his fingers were bloody and, you know, he blisters all over, even as a Primarch. So you're

546
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,120
thinking, what the hell, he can heal very quickly. I think that's even his Primarch ability, he can

547
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:50,680
heal quicker than some of the other Primarchs. And he speaks to them about how he's not dressed

548
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,640
in all this finery, he doesn't look the part because he thinks he's amazing. He does this

549
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:01,080
because he wants to show people he can elevate humanity to a certain level. And that's what his

550
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:06,680
warriors, his Empress children are meant to do. They're meant to be the example to show how

551
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,720
humanity, even the people who have, you know, like him, you know, dust and bloody fingers, they can

552
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:17,240
still be elevated and risen up. It's a very, like touching scene when it's written. Hopefully I'll

553
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:22,840
get that voice acted one day in a Fulgrim video because I feel so good. But the events on Bysas

554
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:29,880
essentially lead to the politics and the different factions try to assassinate Fulgrim many times.

555
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,640
There's a part where they try and attack him in the middle of the street and he like,

556
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,440
full on, you know, Primarch full sprint chasing down, that's terrifying.

557
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,640
And they even try to...

558
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,200
Not at all bothered because like they try to like they shoot at the guy he's politicking with and

559
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,360
he just kind of shields him with his mask and it just all the shots are just pinging off his arm

560
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,840
and he's like, okay, and he's like, you can all surrender if you like and they're like now and

561
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,000
then he has to look. It's quite amusing that book. I quite enjoyed it, to be honest.

562
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,320
It's quite, it's got some wacky moments to it. It's also showing...

563
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,280
And the bit where he's just drinking the wine and he's like, hmm, is that radiation?

564
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,920
It's like, yeah, the grapes are irradiated. So it's got a bit of a bitter twang.

565
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,520
It's like, oh, they keep trying to kill him throughout and his warriors are like,

566
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:17,720
you know, dude, chill. There's even a part where they try and lead him to like a cathedral

567
00:49:17,720 --> 00:49:23,960
monastery area and try and blow him up, which he manages to successfully evade.

568
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:30,360
But he's like, oh, Ferris used to teach me how to dismantle nuclear bombs. That sounds familiar.

569
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,360
That noise. Wait a minute. That's a bomb noise. Okay.

570
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Yeah. He gets, he gets a little bit arrogant. I think there's a, there's a poignant part where

571
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:45,560
I think when the remembrance has said, she, she can tell that he's masquerading his arrogance

572
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,000
in a way like all the Emperor's children sort of play the part of, you know, the refined warrior,

573
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,000
but she always, she's one does if one day it will become the real thing. So he starts to believe his

574
00:49:55,000 --> 00:50:01,560
own lie. So there's a funny little hint there. But eventually Fulgrum and his warriors managed to

575
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:08,600
fend off an attack on the city that they are currently residing in. They defeat the rebels

576
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:13,560
and they bring the world into compliance with only seven men. Although some of them get very

577
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:18,360
roughed up during it. So they're not doing it. And then it also leads to Bizass becoming a

578
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:24,280
recruitment world because the Emperor's children, again, they've had their numbers been decimated

579
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,840
for so long that they just need to build up their numbers quickly. And this is where,

580
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,080
yeah, again, Bizass is now part of the recruitment pool. And I will hand it back to Eli to talk

581
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,960
about what the Emperor's children did. The rest of the great crusade.

582
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:42,280
Can I mention one other thing before we move on from that book? I like how it also mentions that

583
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,560
like Fulgrum has been married several times when he was in Chemos and he's obviously like, he ages

584
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:52,040
very slowly compared to other people. And this is like, did you love them? And he's like, some,

585
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,440
I think, at first, like of all the Primarchs, like there's like a lot of people go, oh,

586
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,480
space queens are virgins and, you know, Primarchs especially. But it's like Fulgrum, he works,

587
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,280
because he's been around. I'm not sure if it implies that. I thought it was like political

588
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,600
marriages. He's been married several times. You're like, hmm, I think he's had ladies.

589
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:16,760
It's implied that it's more women. It's implied that they're more like political marriages,

590
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:21,880
I thought, just as how they tie in different groups, like how like they just marry people

591
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,400
together, but then they don't. Obviously, he's so far above a human. It doesn't count really.

592
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:31,720
Also kind of, and you get like the like Pateraba, like imagine marrying Pateraba.

593
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,440
Fulgrum was laying pipe.

594
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:48,280
I'll hand it back to Eli very quickly. The rest of the children were great crusade.

595
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:55,240
Oh man, pre-Harcy Fulgrum lore makes me so sad every time. He was so awesome. It feels so freaking

596
00:51:55,240 --> 00:52:01,480
bad to be like if Gilman or St. Guineas fell to chaos, it'd be like a Gilman whenever MFC would

597
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,480
never, you would never think of falling to chaos. It's just such a feels bad. I know.

598
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:12,440
Like, oh, I can't believe Fulgrum had wives. How dare he? I think it's the scene with the,

599
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:16,440
it's the scene in the, what he's like being very humble because he was actually very humble

600
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:22,840
initially. He tried to keep his legion humble too, but one chicken sword ruined it all.

601
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:31,480
Oh plot. Bad sword, bad sword. Should have listened to Eldred. Yep. He almost did to be fair,

602
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,040
but the sword ruined it. Oh well, whatever. Anyways, so he, yeah, he did that stuff and

603
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:42,760
it was all super nice. They were still very small legion though, too small to kind of go out on the

604
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:49,480
great crusade by themselves. So Horus ended up mentoring Fulgrum and his legion. So the legion

605
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,920
spent a lot of time with the Lumawolves and created a very good brotherly bond and friendship that

606
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,160
was only second to Therys Manus. Fulgrum was friends with lots of his brothers. I think most

607
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:04,760
of them generally liked them, liked him up until things started to get iffy, which, you know,

608
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:09,640
obviously, but him and Horus worked together for quite a while and they fought on murder together.

609
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,520
If I remember correctly, I don't actually know if Fulgrum was on murder. I think it was just-

610
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:19,800
He does appear slightly, doesn't he get summoned by Horus because Horus is not impressed with what

611
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:25,160
some of the emperor's children do on murder. Yeah. The Vlegun kind of started to be,

612
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:31,160
the space brain started to get pretty arrogant and jerky. Idleon, World Commander Idleon, was even

613
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,840
like boasting about how great they were on murder and how wonderful the emperor's children were,

614
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:42,040
but in reality they were actually saved by the Lumawolves, I'm pretty sure. I kept thinking that

615
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,440
the blood angels were there too, but apparently- Yeah, they were there originally and then they're

616
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:52,360
like annihilated and they find like all the blood angels corpses like in the trees. Okay, so I'm

617
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:59,400
remembering it actually. They're in the trees. Murder was infested by these very scary bug things.

618
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:03,240
That's kind of like all I remember. I don't know if there was much more to say about it.

619
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Yeah. Big scary bugs, not the tyrannids, just actual like chitinous bugs, stuff like that. It

620
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,080
was not a great time, but you know what? They got through it and they learned and they're still

621
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:20,680
friends with the Lumawolves, so everything's okay. They also fought against the diasporics, I think,

622
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:28,520
with the other Nihons, which is one of the reasons why they were friends with them. The main reason

623
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:33,080
for the friendship though, of course, is the classic story of Ferris, Manus, and Fulgrim becoming

624
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,760
best buddies, making weapons together, and then giving each other the weapons that they made.

625
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:44,120
Fulgrim even gave Ferris his nickname, the Gorgon, and they have a very nice relationship throughout

626
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:51,560
the entire Great Crusade, which is all goes away when bad things happen. But whatever.

627
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:58,040
As arrogant as they were, there were still lots of really nice guys in the Legion, like Salt Harvitz.

628
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:02,200
He was a cool dude, and the one guy that Fulgrim killed on the statue, whose name I don't remember

629
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:08,040
anymore, but there were plenty of nice guys in the Legion. Sorry, yeah, sorry guy. Wasn't that guy

630
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:14,920
whom Julius as well? Julius? Julius Pateron? Yeah, he was quite a noble. Wow, what a subtle name.

631
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:23,480
Yeah, as a bit of an overt reference to slightly Greco-Roman things, which is sad because I thought...

632
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Phoenicians. I thought, hopefully there'll be a bit more of a...

633
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:32,120
We have explained slightly what the Phoenicians are, I think, in a previous episode, but we'd hope

634
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:39,080
that slightly proto-Carthaginian vibe would come through a bit more. Well, Julius was the

635
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,000
first captain as well, so he was a big player in the Legion. It's still a cool armor though, very

636
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:49,080
cool armor. But yeah, the Emperor's Children started to get very obsessed with perfection, and were

637
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:57,560
masters of swordsmanship and war in general. A lot of them pursued the arts, like painting and poetry,

638
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:02,360
but overall the Legion was very skilled. I think their biggest weakness was probably their

639
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:10,200
individualistic manner, because they were all so practicing to be perfect themselves. They maybe

640
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,920
kind of neglected the teamwork aspect and all that. Not as a whole, I think just in general though.

641
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,920
And of course, their pursuit of perfection would indeed be their undoing in the end, so you know,

642
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:25,240
whatever. But they were really epic for a time. Their fleets were bastions of the arts. They had

643
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:30,280
tons of remembrancers in them, probably more than everyone else, I think. Or at least they treated

644
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:36,760
them better than everyone else for the most part. And their remembrancers practiced the arts as well,

645
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,280
acting, music, sculpting, painting, and the likes. They held performances within the ships, which

646
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,960
there was one special performance that didn't go so well. But we're not about that part yet.

647
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,000
Spoilers. Heresy spoilers.

648
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,400
But yeah, compared to all the other Legions, I think the Emperor's children, as arrogant as they

649
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,800
had become, they still kept a good degree of their humanity, probably alongside guys like the

650
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,480
Salamanders and the White Scars and the likes. So they were liked by their remembrancers. Not all

651
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,080
the Space Marines liked them, because some of the Space Marines still thought the arts were dumb

652
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:14,360
and wanted to put all of their efforts into just being perfect at war. And I mean, it worked out

653
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:18,440
for them. They were a lot of good commanders and a lot of good swordsmen. But like I said earlier,

654
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,160
they were kind of glory hungry, which fueled a lot of pride and led to conflict and not great

655
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,840
things. But heroes arose from the Legion, like Salt, Harvest, Eidolon, you could say, I guess.

656
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:35,160
Lucius was definitely a popular guy until... what's his name? Holy frick, the Lunar Wolves guy,

657
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,600
the main character of the Legion. Garfiel Orokin.

658
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,920
So Garfiel Orokin punched him in the face and then that was...

659
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,760
Thor Garen also humbled Eidolon during the Battle of Murder. And like,

660
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Eidolon's messing everything up, but then the Lunar Wolves drop and Thor Garen's like,

661
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:54,600
right, you're doing what I'm saying, you're useless. And then Eidolon's like, we did amazing.

662
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,640
And he's like, no, you didn't. Eidolon was like the top douchebag of the Emperor's children.

663
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:04,920
And Lucius, he was like mid tier douchebag and Tarvitz was like zero douchebag. He was a really

664
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:10,840
nice guy. They named a planet Murder. Come on. I mean, it's not the real name. It's just what they

665
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:17,880
nicknamed it. So like that place is... It's from the Murder. It was horrible. Fair enough. Yeah.

666
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:23,640
I think that's kind of like the main battles of the Great Crusade though. There's the Diaspora,

667
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:28,440
so we need, because they had the time warping weapons, if I remember correctly. Or is that not

668
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:32,680
them? Was that them? I'm pretty sure that was them. The Diaspora are the ones where they have...

669
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,000
Yeah, that's the... I think the Diaspora is the ones with the...

670
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:43,000
They're human and aliens that traveled in like a spacefaring fleet. They even had some like old,

671
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:48,920
old like Terran, proto-Terran like ships from back when Terran was a colony.

672
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,880
They go through the murder system and they've like triggered a beacon. So then they turn up and go,

673
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,440
what are you guys doing here? It's like, oh, is that your stuff? Who are you?

674
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,960
Yeah. And if I remember correctly, Fulgrim and the lads actually saved Ferus,

675
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:07,240
because he kind of gets a little too headstrong and tries to... He throws himself in.

676
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:15,000
And that... Ferus wasn't very happy about that, but Fulgrim did save his life, I'm pretty sure.

677
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,800
After that though, probably the main event for the Emperor's children and their whole storyline

678
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:27,960
throughout all of Warhammer is they came to the planet of Lair, an ocean world with lots of

679
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:33,400
different islands of coral, big giant coral structures. And it was ran by these snake-like

680
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,880
fishy beings with very... They were very muscular, multi-armed for the most parts. But I think their

681
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,520
most important thing about the species is that they were all genetically modified to fit certain

682
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:51,080
roles, which Fabius found out about and took a very big interest in and tried to tell Fulgrim

683
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:57,160
that they should do that too. And Fulgrim at first was like, nah, bro, that's cringe. But then with

684
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:02,920
like two extra words of prodding, Fabius convinced him and Fulgrim said, yeah, okay, we should do that.

685
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:07,320
Do it. Do it. I like the idea. Yeah, literally.

686
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:11,320
Having prototypes, he's like, check this out, you know the fish people, right? Hear me out.

687
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,440
Ilmarine. He can breathe underwater. It's like, that's... Okay, okay, I'll come back in a minute.

688
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:21,880
He's just like, it's gone. Ivar was like, Fabius, no, you're being weird. And then like, oh, you can

689
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,880
shriek. Eidolon can do a big scream. Oh, that's useful. Okay, well, maybe. So, yeah, exactly.

690
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:33,800
Fabius convinced Fulgrim that it was part of their pursuit of perfection to get closer to the

691
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,960
emperor, which of course at first Fulgrim said the emperor's work is perfect. But then Fabius

692
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,320
kind of convinced him a little bit otherwise and started to see some doubts in Fulgrim's mind. And

693
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,440
if it wasn't the Lair Blade, then it was definitely Fabius who kind of ruined everything for the

694
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:53,400
Legion as he started to modify the Battle Brothers and make these stimulant cocktails

695
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,800
from the alien species. It was all around just a bad thing to do.

696
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,800
To be fair, the Lair species were also worshipping Slanash and their temples and they were kind of

697
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:08,120
like, infused with it. So like, either way, it's all Lair. It's Lair-based corruption.

698
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:15,240
Unfortunately, the Space Marines didn't know about Slanash because somebody didn't tell them. And so

699
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:23,960
Fulgrim goes into this Lair temple. Fulgrim goes into the final Lair temple that the people of Lair

700
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:31,560
were dying en masse to defend this one last place, the bastion of their people. And all the Lair were

701
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:37,720
making out and reproducing. It's really one flawed scene, isn't it? Really sensual. Just making out.

702
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:45,240
There was a lot of fish people, slimy, slithery snakefish people, embraced doing their thing.

703
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,760
And Fulgrim sees a cool sword in the middle of it and thinks, wow, this is really pretty.

704
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,800
And he takes the sword and, I don't know, the end. That's it. Everything sucks after that.

705
01:01:55,800 --> 01:02:00,840
But whatever. He takes the sword and he starts hearing some weird voices in his head,

706
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:05,160
but doesn't figure out it's a sword until later. Because demons don't exist, silly guy.

707
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:11,240
And then a certain elf head says, hey, don't pick up the sword.

708
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,680
You already picked up the sword!

709
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,960
I do like that. He's always getting involved and every time the Primarch is like, go away.

710
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,360
I don't want to hit. He went to Ferris, he went to Fulgrim. They're like, no, shoo.

711
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:25,480
Shoo. We know what we're doing.

712
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:34,680
So after Lair, Fulgrim goes and meets up with Eldrad Uthran of the Ulthwe craft world in a

713
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:40,600
sort of parlay. And Eldrad tells Fulgrim the unthinkable that his brother Horus is going to

714
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:45,560
betray the Emperor and he's going to doom the galaxy to an eternity of war. And at first,

715
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:51,800
Fulgrim's mad, but then he comes to his senses and he's like, oh, well, maybe this guy's right.

716
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,280
He showed me some stuff and maybe I should believe him. But then the sword at his side

717
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,880
speaks in his head and Fulgrim thinks that the sword's thoughts are like his own thoughts at

718
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,800
this point. You can't really distinguish between the two. And the sword unfortunately convinces

719
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:09,800
him otherwise. And he attacks Eldrad. And when Eldrad sees the sword, he realizes it's far too

720
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:16,840
late anyways. He kills some Eldar. He 1v1s in Avatar of Kain and beats it up with his bare hands.

721
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:24,840
Classic. Classic. He choked out a metal statue. They don't need air. He punches it in the face and

722
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:31,320
he takes a W. He can take out Avatar of Kain. It's not a big deal. It's fine. Listen, that short

723
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:38,280
took place after three days of nonstop constant battle. If it panned 10 feet to the left, you'd

724
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:43,160
see the mountain of smurf corpses. Floating ultramarines are coming for you. The animation,

725
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:47,240
there's too few frames. They're still in the air. They're gonna get you. They're gonna get you.

726
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,560
We need to give all of them helmets to save on the budget.

727
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:57,960
Geez, feels bad. But yeah, the Emperor's Children with Fulgrim also destroys some Eldar and we see

728
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:05,000
Fabius' influence on the chapter as Mr. Eidolon screams really loud at a wave serpent and literally

729
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:11,960
destroys a tank. That's cool. Lucius picks up a Howling Banshee sword and decides that it's

730
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:19,240
pretty cool. He got a new toy and he's dual wielding now. That's cool stuff. But everything

731
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:26,760
after that sucks so freaking much. It gets so sad every time I think about it. But at the end of the

732
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:35,960
Great Crusade, before the big no-no happens, Fulgrim goes to talk with Horus and he kind of already

733
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:41,800
feels like he knows what it's going to be about and he thinks about Eldrad's words and he gets

734
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:47,480
all the weapons ready on the Emperor's Children flagship, which name I unfortunately have forgotten.

735
01:04:47,480 --> 01:04:49,080
But he's- The Pride of the Emperor?

736
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,160
Sure. There's Andronicus and then there's the Pride of the Emperor is their biggest one.

737
01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,840
Ah. I know the Vengeful Spirit and that's about all I can give you. But he has his weapons primed

738
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:06,440
at the Vengeful Spirit and he's literally about to issue the command and kill Horus and literally

739
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:10,680
end the Horus heresy before it even happens. And then Eidolon strolls up and he's like,

740
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:18,680
Sire, you forgot your sword. And then Fulgrim picks up his sword and all thoughts of destroying

741
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:25,480
Horus disappear conveniently and our hero does not become the hero, he becomes quite the opposite.

742
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,720
But that is the end of the Great Crusade for the Emperor's Children. If I missed anything,

743
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:35,640
please forgive me. Even though it's probably Fabius's fault, we'll just say it's Eidolon's

744
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:41,480
fault because that's easier. Yeah, yeah, basically. Fabius was a fault for the Legion falling as a

745
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:48,920
whole, I'd say. Actually, the Lair temple, whatever, it's stupid. But without, you know, if

746
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:55,160
you know, thickhead didn't come in with a sword, or if nothing else, even if Fulgrim didn't win,

747
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:01,720
would have been a whole lot of dead Luna wolves. Yep. Yeah, it would be. You wonder why I don't

748
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,520
read the Horus heresy because my faction battle tank got killed by a guy yelling at it.

749
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:15,640
That's right. 60 million years of technology can't, can't be wrong. Some dude really laugh. God,

750
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:23,720
thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. Go to the guy. Sorry. I was gonna say even in the Necron

751
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:31,240
books, because we're going, this is not Horus heresy related, sorry, but they get shot with a big

752
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:39,080
bullet from one of the Imperial ships. And it talks about how the quantum shield was made to

753
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:44,200
resist the forces of like literal gods and star ending technology. But it wasn't made with the

754
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:49,880
intent to block a piece of rock being thrown at it basically. So it doesn't work as well

755
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:56,520
in the 40th millennium. Orcs are the true masters there, isn't it? Orcs just win because of how dumb

756
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:08,440
it is. Speaking of dumb and stupid, we have the, if someone's favorite legions. I like the iron

757
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:14,280
warriors. Not my favorite, but I like them. Well, we are speaking of the last one, the iron warriors,

758
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:19,720
which are the fourth Legion. And they were birthed again in the gene lamps of terror.

759
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:26,120
They were recruited from the warlike gun tribes or the blood Reavers, the tech enclaves, as they

760
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:32,200
were called at the time. And this sort of infused with the early legions like culture, they had a

761
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,840
little bit more of like, you know, a little bit of bloodiness to them already a little bit war

762
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:41,000
hungry, but then they had some within the Legion who were quite tech savvy, that's the right word.

763
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:48,280
And they luckily for the fourth Legion, they benefited from particularly stable gene seed

764
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:53,640
compared to a lot of the others. So if some people are new to Warhammer, when they make space marines,

765
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:59,880
sometimes it just even if the gene seed takes and they put in the new organs to the growing recruit,

766
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:06,120
sometimes it just doesn't straight up work. And the recruit will just basically be like a flopping

767
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:14,680
mess and it will die. The recruit will go all floppy. Yeah. There's one like the one that's

768
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:19,320
the Ragnar Blackmane like first book where they just get turned into space marines. And they just

769
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:24,760
said they're at the dinner table once and one of them space marines goes, what? It's just like,

770
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,800
his face he slumps in his chair and they said, yeah, because the genes he just went wrong.

771
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,320
It's a great noise. And what was his last words?

772
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:34,680
Great way to go get to

773
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,120
boop. Just like a noise of like trying to hold in a fart like,

774
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:46,120
okay. And then that's it. That's you done. The one piece is real. He shouted at the height of his

775
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,320
God. I was thinking actually about, you know, the idle on part where he screams

776
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:59,320
is literally the note from Tenacious D. We are, we are, but men rock that one.

777
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,840
He goes in the film and goes, ah, and then the guy's head explodes. Like, sorry.

778
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,840
If they made a point of saying it was the, you know, that note from initial D all would be

779
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:15,080
forgiven. True. That would rock anyone's world. But right now it's just known as in law. It's in

780
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:21,560
law Brown note. Speaking of fourth Legion though. So the gene seed of the fourth Legion was

781
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:27,320
particularly stable. They even showed a higher adaptability to bionics. They had shared in common

782
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:32,120
with the 10th Legion. So a lot of times space marines, even though they're wearing like a

783
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:37,800
ceramic armor, you know, limbs get broken, cut off all the time. So they would off there's like

784
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:42,680
whole the, basically the mechanic of Mars had like whole fleets of people just with like spare limbs,

785
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:50,120
essentially ready for them to slap on anytime. And the fourth Legion during the unification wars,

786
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:55,400
as Eli mentioned earlier, were known for their stubbornness. They would bear through battles

787
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,760
and conflicts all the way to the bitter end, even when they were in the middle of the war.

788
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:07,720
And even when maybe it didn't make such tactical sense to do so, they seem to have a bit of a

789
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:14,120
problem with retreating from battle. And this would always like, you know, like you know,

790
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,720
I was saying about like the the Empress children, they're always like, trying to refine their

791
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,120
tactics and change things and do some new ones. I'm always just like, if it ain't broken, don't

792
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,760
fix it. And we don't break. And that was them. Like just throw enough of us at the problem,

793
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:32,440
we'll sort it out even if it'll go away. They're like meat grinder, basically.

794
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:38,360
So that for a little bit with the world eaters in common, the word eaters, as someone said,

795
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:47,960
at the beginning, the word word beated, oh god, the, the, the tactics that they, they somewhat

796
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:53,160
just use again, again, on terror, they would take to the stars with the launch of the great crusade.

797
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:59,240
But again, this is where that, as I just said, the tactics kind of hit a fine enough, a dead end,

798
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:04,920
where all times they didn't adapt to the enemies they were fighting. They were just kind of known

799
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:10,920
for throwing themselves at people. And so if other Primarchs with their legions who had already been

800
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,240
reunited with their Primarchs were using them in tandem with their legion, they would often just

801
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,800
use them as like the frontline troops. And they had to adapt around them, you know, being their

802
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:25,320
flankers, being their, you know, espionage or whatever, because the fourth legion are doing

803
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,400
the one thing they do well, and they're not doing anything else. They make one good meal, and that's

804
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,560
it. And there's like some legions really don't like the way they are. I think there's like a bit

805
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,720
with the iron hands with them, like, you're stupid. We're not stupid. You're stupid. We got a Primarch.

806
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:46,040
They're like, ouch, mean. Like Ferris being like one of the first three, and then it takes ages for

807
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:51,880
Pertorabo to show up. And they're like, we're cool. We've got iron as well. Speaking of Pertorabo,

808
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:57,960
though, we would find it would be over a century of war when the fourth legion would finally be

809
01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:06,760
reunited with their Primarch Pertorabo from the planet of Olympia. Now, Olympia is, we're going to

810
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:12,680
say it now, it's basically discount Greece, essentially. So you could tell from it being

811
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:20,840
one syllable away from Olympus. Yeah. For Colin, if you want to illuminate people,

812
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:26,600
which particular time period, obviously, we all know, but just if you are new to Warhammer,

813
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:32,040
what kind of time periods that history would you say that they are inspired from? I think it's

814
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:38,840
probably, you know, ancient Greece, you know, the city states, although that also being said,

815
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,560
I don't know what Olympia was like. Was it city states? Yep. City States, pretty much.

816
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:50,920
Ah, yes. It was the Greek city states. There's a few like Sparta, obviously, Macedon,

817
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:56,760
Athens, all that kind of stuff. I think ancient Athens sucks. Yeah. Well, we got pro Spartan over

818
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:06,680
here. They also suck, but Athens really sucked. Epirus. There's a very much a sort of divided

819
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:13,720
nature of Olympia, which was reunited and, or I say reunited, it was forced together by Perturabo

820
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:21,080
himself, because there was no choice with Perturabo. And where most reunions of Legion

821
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:28,680
and Genefather was quite a big momentous moment, such as like Sanguinus and meeting his Legion,

822
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,640
which was like amazing speeches, Fulgrim meeting his sons and again, like, you know,

823
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:40,120
saying to them, making a vow to them in front of the Emperor, Lionel Johnson kind of treating

824
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:45,880
his Legion is, Lionel Johnson doesn't even call them his sons, he calls them his little brothers,

825
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:51,560
so he treats them like equals. Perturabo did, the fourth Legion did not get the same treatment.

826
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:59,160
And because Perturabo examined the combat records of his Legion, and he found them wanting, they

827
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:06,520
they had so many casualties due to obviously the way they battled in, across the Great Crusade.

828
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:13,720
And he decided there needs to be like a rebirth and a culling of this weakness and not say to get

829
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:19,640
rid of stubbornness, but the stubbornness needed to be reforged into a different thing. And this

830
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:25,480
brought again, the practice of decimation to the Legion. This was something I think practice in,

831
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:29,400
I'm not sure if in ancient Greece, but in ancient Rome, do you know Colin? I think it was practiced

832
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:35,240
by the Romans. Well, I believe it, I believe it was the ancient Romans. It was the process of

833
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:42,920
getting rid of one out of 10. Yes. So by, literally by lottery, one in every 10 of the Legionaries was

834
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:49,720
chosen, and he was beaten to death by his own comrades. It wasn't, yeah, it was the Romans,

835
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:56,280
to keep order in the military. And to, by the way, on that point, can I ask to keep something up?

836
01:14:56,280 --> 01:15:03,480
I've heard so many freaking comments saying, I'll use like decimation as a term, as like a vague term,

837
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:07,480
and then I'll have someone in my comments going, no decimation is only one in 10. He was like,

838
01:15:07,480 --> 01:15:13,400
no, it's a historical term, and it's also a situational term. It can be used for both.

839
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:19,800
Stop bullying me in the comments. If Andy, may I speak on your behalf? Well,

840
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,000
how about I'll give my opinion on the matter. I won't speak on your behalf.

841
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:30,680
The people who say that you are technically correct. Yes, the original meaning of decimation

842
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:38,520
was by the Romans to have their comrade take out one in 10 of them as a punishment and to keep order.

843
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:44,600
That being said, if you leave that comment in a comment section, you're a fucking nerd.

844
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:49,720
That was it. I mean, no correction.

845
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,720
I'm looking at the dictionary definition that says the killing or destruction of a large proportion.

846
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:58,200
So that's not one in 10. Things also change over time. We are in ancient Rome.

847
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:06,840
Yeah, and not speaking in a no Latin in these conversations. There's a lot of Latin in

848
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:13,800
Warhammer. Although, although to be to be fair, the romance languages are technically just bad.

849
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:22,600
Latin. True. We do speak discount Latin from stuff in Spanish, Italian, French, Romanian,

850
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:29,400
Germanic. What would you say? Which one? It's too pancreas.

851
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,600
That's the only Italian. That's the only Latin phrase I know apart from like,

852
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:39,720
that's the only one I think I can. Did you know that Vene Vene Vee Vee cheese

853
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:43,960
pronounced weenie weenie wee-chee? Because V does not exist in Latin.

854
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:50,200
That's another thing that if you say weenie weenie wee-chee, I hate you. I don't care that

855
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:55,320
it sounds pronounced. That sounds like the beginning of Bear With Me Here reference the

856
01:16:55,320 --> 01:17:01,000
vine where it's like in my Valentino white bag. I'm not going to get that joke.

857
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:06,920
I just like the idea that you can use different accents to be like, if you had scouts like it's

858
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:14,040
weenie weenie wee-chee. Lucky for them. So sorry, Iron Warriors.

859
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,760
Shout out to this episode of War Crimes for making fun of our audience. I'm a big fan.

860
01:17:20,440 --> 01:17:23,080
I was being bullied and I needed to vent. It's fine.

861
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,520
Oh my goodness. Stop.

862
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaking of decimation though, as funny as we will make it out, it was actually pretty

863
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:40,440
horrible. So a lot of these legionaries, they obviously, you know, some of them were friends,

864
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:46,040
some of them had fought on terror for the emperor, only to then be killed by their own,

865
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:51,720
essentially within the ranks because their new Primarch was essentially trying to, in a way,

866
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:55,720
he was trying to reforge them, but it felt more like a punishment for something which they had

867
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:02,040
seen as honorable service. So a lot of them were not happy. And this sort of creates a tone and

868
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:07,960
relationship with the Legion and Primarch where it was no longer father and son, and it was much

869
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:15,080
more of a you are my general, I am the soldier. So many other legions, they'd love their gene father,

870
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:21,080
they would literally die for him. Like without a second thought, the Iron Warriors are much more

871
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:24,920
pragmatic about like, oh, he's my general, so therefore I get in the way of bullets because

872
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:30,520
it's good for the army, not because I actually like my... Not because he's my father. No, they

873
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,680
don't really call him father much. There is an interesting corollary with them and the Iron

874
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:39,400
Hands again, because again, Ferris Manus was a taskmaster, but he did actually care about his

875
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:45,240
sons. So there was that thing with like one degree further into being a taskmaster as you become

876
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:51,640
Pertharabo, it's like you are just tools. And everyone goofs on like, oh, the Iron Warriors and

877
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,520
Iron Hands are kind of like very similar. But I think like, yeah, with the Iron Warriors in

878
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:00,280
particular, it's just like whenever you see like the Triox or any of the characters in like a meeting

879
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:05,720
with Pertharabo, they're like, shoulders straight, you don't say any, no backtalk, you keep your

880
01:19:05,720 --> 01:19:10,600
thoughts to yourself, you don't go over the line even a millimeter because he's not very forgiving

881
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:16,120
at all. He beat up a lot of his sons, us for sure. He did. He would... And then killed the rest.

882
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:22,440
He would often dish out punishment himself. And there's also, it might be a funny, I think I've

883
01:19:22,440 --> 01:19:27,160
mentioned it in a previous episode before, but there's a funny moment where Ferris is talking

884
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:33,480
about when he was conversing with Pertharabo. And they're very pragmatic, they're getting,

885
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:37,480
they do get along decently well as in like, you know, we're getting the thing done. But then

886
01:19:37,480 --> 01:19:42,280
Pertharabo asks him in like an offhanded comment, how is it that you and Fulgrim are friends? And

887
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:46,200
it's the only time apparently Ferris ever smiled in front of him. Because he's like, because

888
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:52,600
Pertharabo just wouldn't get it because he just doesn't really, he has soldiers, he has battle

889
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:58,360
comrades that don't have friends in him or his Legion really. And then Ferris was like, yeah,

890
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:04,760
your friends with Magnus, so I'm still winning. He's like, oh! He does have a good friend. He

891
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,320
does, yeah. Having said that, he does have a good relationship, they do have a semi-good relationship

892
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:15,720
with the Thousand Sons Legion. I think that's probably mostly from a side of like intellectual

893
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:23,640
commonality. So he, like Pertharabo and the Iron Warriors greatly respect the Thousand Sons,

894
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:30,280
again, for them being involved in siege craft and technology. The Iron Warriors have a big

895
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:35,880
emphasis on understanding technology, not using it to the same degree as Iron Hand. They're like

896
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:40,200
exclusively alien to one another, but they respect that they are like the best at what they do to an

897
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:44,680
extent. They're like, oh, you're amazing with like gadgets and gizmos. And then you're amazing at

898
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:49,000
like, whatever that swirly-whirly thing is that you've conjured. Like, that's cool. Cool. I have

899
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:55,240
no idea how you're doing it. But it's cool. But speaking of something iconic that would happen

900
01:20:55,240 --> 01:21:03,080
with the Legion, they would also gain their iconic phrase, iron within, iron without, which is a

901
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:10,040
mantra they have to roar in battle, but also live by. It's a kind of philosophy. And I'll ask Colin

902
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:16,360
here for the next quote. It should be in the sidebar chat. And this is called the Unbreakable

903
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:22,360
Litany, which is said throughout the Legion, if you can see it there. I can. I'd be happy to read

904
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:31,000
it out. Iron Warriors quote, from iron cometh strength, from strength cometh will, from will

905
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:37,880
cometh faith, from faith cometh honor, from honor cometh iron. This is the Unbreakable Litany, and

906
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:44,280
may it forever be so. So they always find like a circular way to come back to iron, basically the

907
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:49,880
iron within themselves. They bring that strength. That's where one like the quotes and what how

908
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:55,720
that does go pretty hard, I would say. I was like, if I didn't shout that as well. I will say though,

909
01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:03,960
that's a lot of cometh. There's a lot of cometh in that quote. I think that this is further proof

910
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:09,160
that that whole, uh, Cods are not real thing is a load of malarkey. The emperor's pushing.

911
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:16,280
He has faith in everything he has. Stop being surprised. People turn religious.

912
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:22,040
Well, you do it. You can have, you can have faith in things which are not necessarily religious.

913
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,120
I have faith that my delivery driver will come. He's delivering my pizza.

914
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,040
You can, but I think in the context of this, yeah.

915
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:36,840
I like that idea that you're your example, how that when you get, you're like praise be to pizza

916
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:42,440
hut. When you get it. Well, I know it's coming, but I'm not exactly, I'm not putting my hands

917
01:22:42,440 --> 01:22:46,760
together and worshiping the pizza gods. Although maybe we all should cause that's divine. Um,

918
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:53,320
they've bestowed an extra garlic dip. Praise be. I praise be to him because Lord knows you cannot

919
01:22:53,320 --> 01:23:00,440
pizza the hut. Oh, it's real. I'm like extra garlic dip for free. I'm not gonna lie, bro. That's,

920
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:07,240
you're saying some very, very, that's essential things. You know, I mean, miracles happen.

921
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:12,520
Pizza, pizza, hot garlic bread is defined. It's just what I feel it doing to my arteries with

922
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:22,040
every bite less. Speaking of things that aren't so divine, uh, Pertorabo and the iron warriors,

923
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:29,000
um, with the now Primark at the helm of the Legion, they will be swelled with recruits from Olympia.

924
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:33,800
This would immediately overtake the culture of the Legion so that even their armor,

925
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:40,520
their arms, it would all take on a more Greco Roman feel much more heavy on the, uh, Greco

926
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:46,440
inspiration there. Obviously Olympia basically being, um, essentially ancient Greece with the

927
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:53,480
warring States. And the Legion would also shift in a way where they, where they would embrace their

928
01:23:53,480 --> 01:24:00,760
greatest strength, which was siege warfare, also partly interacting with technology as I said,

929
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:06,120
as I said before, but instead of being stubborn in terms of, they won't change their tactics,

930
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:12,760
they become flexible in a very strange way in which is how the, uh, flow of siege warfare works.

931
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:19,480
So they get very, very good at basically any fortification. They are pretty much the best

932
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:24,760
Legion out there to either defend it or take on maybe not to create fortifications because that's

933
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:31,640
a contentious part with the Imperial fists, but the iron warriors do, they start to specialize many

934
01:24:31,640 --> 01:24:38,360
other Legions in their own style of combat, such as Empress children being dualists and generally

935
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:43,800
quite good up close in certain regards. The dark angels being very adaptive and obviously having

936
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:50,760
lots of varied technology and varied wings of the Legion, iron warriors, siege craft. And as the

937
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:58,360
Legion left the skies of Olympia, they'd be, they'll be confronted by a spacefaring advanced

938
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:04,280
human culture called the black judges, which as Percival Robert had grown up on Olympia,

939
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:09,720
he had heard many times as like a terrifying myth, a kind of like a boogeyman thing that would come

940
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:15,160
for them. And they would actually discover these were ancient humans that would harvest

941
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,200
other humans from different planets. And then they would turn them into like a kind of

942
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:24,200
serum biomass thing that prolonged their lives. And it was a first like Legion victory where

943
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:30,440
Perturabu had like shifted the fourth Legion into his own or made it into the image that he wanted

944
01:25:30,440 --> 01:25:36,520
it to be. And it would now start the path of like their numerous successes during the Great

945
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:44,200
Crusade. And such was even the reputation they'd gained very early on from then, they would, as

946
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:51,160
Eli mentioned earlier, they would be thrown into like the worst conflicts the Crusade had to offer.

947
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:57,160
Many other things like the army, Imperial army and other Legions, they didn't really enjoy fighting

948
01:25:57,160 --> 01:26:01,480
or they were dread fighting beside the iron warriors because they knew it'd be essentially

949
01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:06,600
a very grinding, a brutal fight. Because yeah, they're like, oh, we're going to so and so. Oh,

950
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:11,080
that sounds nice. Oh, the view screens. Oh, it looks like a nice planet. Who we fighting with?

951
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:21,160
The fourth. Yeah, that sucks. Goodbye, father. Goodbye, mother. In fact, I think some even

952
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:26,920
Imperial, some Imperial army regiments even would straight up refuse. They would have to send like

953
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:32,600
penal colony troops to basically be cannon fodder. I'm going to go fight alongside the Night Lords

954
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:37,800
rather than these guys. I mean, if you're fighting alongside the Night Lords, that's probably not as

955
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,600
bad because they just, they'd be horrible. Dealing someone like, Oh, you wouldn't sleep well, but

956
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:47,400
at least you'd be alive to sleep. You know what I mean? Different, I swear enough, different strokes

957
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:52,360
of different folks. I probably still have to fight alongside them to the thousand suns.

958
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:57,960
True. At least my soul wouldn't evaporate because they, their little work spirit ran out of juice

959
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:02,520
and I happened to be nearby. It reminds me of, you know, that meme where it's like just a random

960
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,920
video of like a cooking thing and then like randomly Queen Elizabeth like fades in the middle

961
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:11,800
of the cut for some reason. And then it's like, it's actually kind of like dissipates like, and

962
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:16,520
then it's just back to the cooking video. Very weird reference. Where do you get these memes?

963
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:21,640
I never seen that. I will show it to people and it'll some people will listen. We'll understand

964
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:25,560
what I'm talking about. There'll be a random cooking video and then like very quickly edited.

965
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:32,120
And then like the Queen will like very crappily PowerPoint fade away in like a weird cut in the

966
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:41,560
middle of it. Yes. Very sad. Yes. Sounds in the culture. But the Legion, the Legion would start

967
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:47,240
to over the decades of the great crusade, they would resent being thrown into this, like the

968
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:53,160
hardest situations. They wouldn't, there was no respite for the Legion against like some of brutal

969
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:58,840
conflicts. And then they would turn to see other legions such as Dawn's sanguineous or Horus's

970
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:05,720
legions. And they would be showered with accolades praise. They would be given, you know, rewards

971
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:12,280
technology. Meanwhile, the fourth Legion had fought just as hard, if not harder. And yet they

972
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:19,080
would still in a way like many, many knew the great crusade wouldn't last for a long time. It

973
01:28:19,080 --> 01:28:23,560
would be over it in a few short centuries. You know, their time. Why you want to, you want to

974
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:29,160
repeat that phrase one more time? Well, when you're speaking about space, you don't really age,

975
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:34,760
you know, I mean, they didn't consider it that long. And they thought so a lot of the time they

976
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:40,120
were hunting for glory, many of the legions, and men and women were trying to get all their accolades

977
01:28:40,120 --> 01:28:44,120
and you know, all the honors done before the crusade would end, particularly towards the end,

978
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:48,920
because there was a sense that they knew the Imperium was almost at the edges of the galaxy.

979
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:54,200
And so the fourth of quite resentful of the fact that they were not lord in the same way when they

980
01:28:54,840 --> 01:29:01,240
fought just as hard again, if not harder. In fact, much of the Legion became garrison forces across

981
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:07,080
Imperial worlds due to their expertise in like siege crafts. So they like the Imperial Fists

982
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:14,680
would build fortifications in many different places. But they wouldn't again, they wouldn't be

983
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:19,960
given the honor such as the Imperial Fists of building the Imperial Palace defenses, which were,

984
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:26,600
you know, again, they say they they would know siege, siege craft better than anyone surely. So

985
01:29:26,600 --> 01:29:33,160
again, another slight somewhat. This poor, poor Captain Hercules is being stationed at like the

986
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:38,760
equivalent of like the Imperial World post office of sector 9,642. Like, oh, what am I going to do

987
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:43,560
for the next 10, 10, 20 years? It's gonna like sit here, make sure like nothing goes wrong.

988
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:51,640
Gaze on the check the pipes. So there's no leaks. Is that it? Yeah. No more pipes. No, no more

989
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:59,560
fights. But saying that though, the the Legion itself did have some uniqueness that it developed

990
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:06,200
within most other legions. So they had the rank of warsmiths, which were kind of in a way like

991
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:12,120
a bit more independent than compared to some of their equivalents and other legions like captains.

992
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:17,640
And the Pertorabo made sure that the fourth legion could in a way if it had to operate without a

993
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:22,440
Primarch. So they similar to how they had done before, but they would operate still within

994
01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:29,320
decent strength. And it would all slightly come apart the scenes, a lot of the things would build

995
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:36,600
up for the fourth legion, especially as we get to the excuse me here, the sack Tradar deep campaign,

996
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:41,400
which is actually one of the very few defeats the legion would face, and it'd be a massive stain to

997
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:47,400
their honor. This was a garrison force led by Barabas Dantioke shout out to the artwork I had

998
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:52,680
made of this. I actually had two pieces of artwork made for this one's very cool. They were attacked

999
01:30:52,680 --> 01:31:00,520
by the Xenos known as the Hrud, which, by the way, had not actually been there was no official like

1000
01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:05,240
artwork for everyone tries to look up her odd, they kind of look like very straight at clothed

1001
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:11,640
creatures. They actually have very strange archaic guns, which are like almost like slightly scaveny

1002
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:16,840
muskets, which is I think they were originally meant to be scaveny s, and they kind of move

1003
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:22,680
them a bit more to like Maccati writhing things. And the problem with the Hrud is being in proximity

1004
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:29,880
to them, things start to rapidly age. And I mean, like, to a scary degree. So the mortal men

1005
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:36,520
alongside Barabas Dantioke and his men, they would die of old age, and even the walls of the fortress

1006
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:42,360
they were in started to wither and like crack, and even the Legion is inside their own armor.

1007
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:47,880
So no one knew how long a space marine could live. But it was supposedly kind of worked out

1008
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:54,120
because of the fact that Barabas Dantioke had literally aged millennia inside his own arm and

1009
01:31:54,120 --> 01:32:00,920
his arm would rust apart. And it was only when a guard's man who's just like spent loads of money

1010
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:05,640
to get like a banana shipped, he's like, ah, treats, it's not corpse, so I should get a banana,

1011
01:32:05,640 --> 01:32:08,680
this would be great. And then like, as soon as the Hrud appears, like, he just unwraps it and it

1012
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:14,760
instantly becomes mushy. And he's like, 700 years old now. And then he just goes into a pile of ash,

1013
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:23,240
the poor guy, poor dudes. But Persh Rabo did come and he eventually returned like with more troops

1014
01:32:23,240 --> 01:32:28,920
and they helped repel the Hrud even Perturabo supposedly suffered some of the aging process and

1015
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,440
he apparently a like millennia, even though he kind of only looked a little bit older.

1016
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:34,680
He got one gray hair and he's like, what's this?

1017
01:32:35,480 --> 01:32:41,320
He went he received like a full on brutal attack of it as well, that their weapons also aged. But in

1018
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:47,800
the wake of this conflict, the Legion received news that their homeworld of Olympia had rebelled.

1019
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:55,880
So this was another shame on top of the previous failure of not securing the garrison at the

1020
01:32:55,880 --> 01:33:03,560
Sakurai Drah deep campaign. And the world of Olympia now, even though it had been transformed

1021
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:10,360
by the Imperium, it had been drained of men and resources. Again, the iron warriors had seen so

1022
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:15,560
much brutal conflict that so many of them had like, they needed to recruit so many because

1023
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:24,120
obviously their attrition rates are pretty high. And I think there's a part where like in the books,

1024
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:28,680
I think it's to maybe not remembrances. I think it might be remembrances. And they actually have

1025
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:34,200
like, you've got like a VR headset on Olympia just to see what some of the battles were like

1026
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:39,080
of Perturabo. And there's a bit where one of them puts on and he just gets immediately sick. It's

1027
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:44,920
like an overwhelming tide like gunfire and iron wars like missing limbs and fighting on it's like

1028
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:53,000
insane just to see how they basically fought. And now back above the skies of Olympia, Perturabo

1029
01:33:53,000 --> 01:34:01,880
was pissed. He was incredibly annoyed, not even covering it, if I'm honest, he was just

1030
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:08,200
swelled with anger. And the people of Olympia try to try to negotiate with him because obviously

1031
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:13,640
their world's basically falling apart now, in terms like society wise. But Perturabo didn't

1032
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:20,440
want to hear it. And he ordered decimation upon his own home world. And this was something the

1033
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:25,400
Legion, many of them were still obviously, there were some who were still Terrans, but many of them

1034
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:31,000
now were very much from Olympia, they grown up here. And so many of them actually struggled to even

1035
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:35,720
carry out this order. Some of them even refused, like saying, there's a scene where one of them

1036
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:41,480
says, I grew up in a home like this, what are we doing? And some of them, again, this would leave

1037
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:47,240
lead to another small culling of their ranks as those, you know, not strong enough to carry out

1038
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:52,600
the order. And Perturabo is something that's not not unheard of in other legions, like with Nostralmo,

1039
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,760
with some of the Nightlords, like, I don't want to see this happen. They get killed. So yeah,

1040
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,440
some Mastatis when they're like, I come from here, they get a bit defensive about you blowing up

1041
01:35:00,440 --> 01:35:05,880
their homes, you know, just saying, just a little bit. What cowards am I right? Yo,

1042
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:14,040
where's the loyalty? But Perturabo eventually would confront his adopted sister Calipho,

1043
01:35:14,040 --> 01:35:20,440
the now very ancient, one who'd left in charge of Olympia back in when he left for the Great Crusade.

1044
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:27,560
And he basically choked her to death, the old lady, very sad. And this is actually the point

1045
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:32,200
where he realizes what he's been, what he's done. And he went too far. And he starts to

1046
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:36,440
weep like Perturabo full on, like he's never cried in his life. And he starts to weep because he's

1047
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:41,640
he's killed his family and his homeworld is like burning around him. Okay, sorry, Colin,

1048
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:48,440
you say something? His singular moment of self reflection, I missed a sea of man child behavior.

1049
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:56,120
Pretty much. But then this Olympia has basically been decimated. So a portion of the population

1050
01:35:56,120 --> 01:36:01,640
has been, you know, they're basically cold, they've been as an anger has been taken out on them,

1051
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:07,000
because they didn't in from Perturabo's perspective, Olympia didn't know how good they had it compared

1052
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,080
to so many other worlds where he's seen, you know, they've seen the very worst the galaxy had to

1053
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,600
offer. So he's like, what do you mean? Why are you complaining? It's like the rich kid saying,

1054
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:19,720
I'm having a difficult time because my Ferrari's, you know, not the right color. And Perturabo is

1055
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:24,600
going, you bought, you know, I mean, like my whole family is not well, what are you talking about?

1056
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,640
Ferrari's in the shop, I have to use the Mercedes like a peasant.

1057
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:33,960
And that's what that's what it sounds like to his ears. Obviously, they had real concerns. But the

1058
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:40,680
fourth legion and Primarch were waiting to hear censure now because they realized they'd probably

1059
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:47,880
gone too far. But they were met with complete silence. No censure came from the Emperor.

1060
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:52,680
Perturabo thought the Emperor will he'll never forgive me for what I've done to my own home.

1061
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:58,200
The Emperor didn't say a thing. There was absolutely silence again, reinforcing the fact

1062
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:04,200
that the fourth legion was simply not even acknowledged, which then sort of turned into,

1063
01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:09,800
again, anger, resentment, because it is literally like he's screaming, feel like a kid,

1064
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,040
Dad, notice me, even though the fourth legion in a way for the same that, you know, please,

1065
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:19,480
Dad, notice me, but it is reinforced, it's reinforced their resentment to the Emperor

1066
01:37:19,480 --> 01:37:24,520
and the great crusade, which so many had died for. And it would be in this position now that

1067
01:37:25,720 --> 01:37:33,480
a certain war master Horace would come to them, and he would exploit this sort of sense of,

1068
01:37:33,480 --> 01:37:39,880
you know, resentment towards the Emperor and the Imperium that didn't care about them. And that

1069
01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:45,560
I have, I have read some I can't find the source, but I'm pretty sure I've heard that there is a

1070
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:51,880
there is possibly a hint somewhere that Horace was the one who kind of kicked off Spark of Rebellion

1071
01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:56,440
on Olympia to turn Pertorabo on his side. And I'm not sure.

1072
01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:03,160
It's possible. When I read the Primarch book of Pertorabo, it's generally implied that this

1073
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:07,160
thing had been building for all, like, basically since the start, essentially.

1074
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,520
I know his foster father is like still in charge when he leaves and he's like,

1075
01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:14,120
Oh, I don't want to like be in charge of the tyrant of Locos.

1076
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:21,400
Yeah, Locos. That's the one he had. He's dead at this point. He died during the Great Crusade.

1077
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:29,000
But essentially, Olympia was not Olympia was made to comply. And it wasn't like many other

1078
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:33,080
primaries like Fulgrim. Fulgrim brought his world together through diplomacy. Fulgrim didn't even

1079
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:40,600
have to fight. Pertorabo had conquered his world through force. And many of the, you know,

1080
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:45,720
fourth legion, many of the Olympian in the fourth legion had only known an existence like that of

1081
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:51,560
just, you know, you make might makes right essentially. And that, my brothers, is the

1082
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:58,040
end of the first three legions during the Great Crusade. Obviously, the Horus Heresy

1083
01:38:58,040 --> 01:39:02,680
for each of those legions starts immediately after that. Is there any questions or thoughts

1084
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,960
about any of the legions or some of the lore we've covered here?

1085
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:12,040
Here's one of all the ones we've mentioned today, which is your favorite? I know that I know what

1086
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:17,240
Eli's going to say for sure. I guess we'll go we'll go or is there Colin, do you want to say

1087
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:27,240
who's your favorite? No, no, I it's not the Dark Angels. I don't dislike the Dark Angels.

1088
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:33,000
I rate them a six out of 10. They're there. I'm pretty content. I have no interest in learning

1089
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:41,320
more about them, but I'm happy they exist and Deathwing is fun. So, you know, I do actually I

1090
01:39:41,320 --> 01:39:46,360
do like the Emperor's children. I like their fall. It's a very, very tragic. They were one of the few

1091
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:55,560
legions who weren't just pricks. I actually do also like the Iron Warriors. I I can't even muster

1092
01:39:55,560 --> 01:40:00,520
the energy to say I hate Perderabo. I'm disappointed in everything about Perderabo.

1093
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:05,640
Little bit like when your parents say they're not mad, they're just disappointed. That's what I feel

1094
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:11,720
every time I think about Perderabo. I'm disappointed. You look at them like you look at the Iron Warriors,

1095
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:16,360
like they're a good friend of yours. And then you see their dad like drunkenly shouting in the

1096
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:22,680
living room. He's a really cool guy. But his dad is such an idiot. Yeah, it's got a problem.

1097
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:29,960
I think I'll give it to Iron Warriors as the Legion, because although I do also quite like

1098
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:36,120
the Emperor's children, they joined Slaanesh. Spoiler alert, sorry. And I can't I cannot abide

1099
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:42,840
that. She who thirsts must be must be defeated. Like you, Eli. He's your favorite.

1100
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:45,320
We know, we know. He's the Emperor's children.

1101
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:46,360
He's in the internet.

1102
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:47,320
Except for me.

1103
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:54,680
Well, you. I do like me dark angels. I've got to be honest. I like I like the the King Arthur

1104
01:40:54,680 --> 01:41:00,440
aesthetic. I like Knightly Order stuff and I like that books. I don't like the lion.

1105
01:41:00,440 --> 01:41:05,640
They do have they do have unbelievable drip. They really do. Especially Warhammer Art.

1106
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:08,120
Oh, my God. Yeah.

1107
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:11,400
Bring back old Warhammer Art guy. I don't remember his name. He's just hired. But.

1108
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:12,840
John Blanche. Yeah.

1109
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:17,640
When Warhammer looks cool. Bring back whoever made the elder look like a packet of skittles

1110
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:18,760
coming to King Arthur.

1111
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:27,560
I would say I think. I remember his legions is not off the Primark, but I will say the.

1112
01:41:28,440 --> 01:41:32,680
It's difficult because the Emperor's children have like the better earlier heart, you know,

1113
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:36,280
like as long as I know in the first half, they had me. Emperor's children have probably the

1114
01:41:36,280 --> 01:41:40,520
better first half. But I think the I have the better first half. I think the I have the

1115
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:47,960
better first half. But I think the Iron Warriors kind of slightly sneak up into first position

1116
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:52,520
for me just because they they just get such like they just they don't have a win. You

1117
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:56,760
know, I mean, they just they endure it like so much misery the entire time.

1118
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:01,640
Like, yeah, like they're like, oh, maybe our dad will be cool. Oh, no.

1119
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,960
Maybe maybe things will be better soon. Oh, no, it's the heresy.

1120
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,360
Oh, maybe we'll have the oh, no, we've lost the war.

1121
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:14,840
Oh, that's why I like the Iron Warriors and not their dad because they're just constantly like,

1122
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:21,720
I'm just I'm trying. I'm not giving up. I'm trying until like the biggest daddy issues and

1123
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:26,360
they are the worst time of any until like after the heresy. They're like,

1124
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:31,160
that's when they're finally I give up. I'm just going to be the worst on purpose now.

1125
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:36,040
They're like, I'm moving out. I'm making my own way. I'm going to get my own place. You'll see.

1126
01:42:36,040 --> 01:42:41,400
I'll be successful. They do have the better the better catchphrases, you know, I mean, as well.

1127
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:47,240
I know that is the most metal, you know, and also the unbreakable listening is still

1128
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:51,960
I wouldn't say the Emperor's Children or Dark Angels have better things to show in dark.

1129
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:57,000
I'm just silent. I mean, they're for children to shout for the emperor, but it's slightly mean

1130
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:03,720
something because like for daddy or something. But I think, yeah, Iron Wars got the better overall

1131
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:09,400
and Emperor's Children better aesthetic. I'd I'd say just like from like their

1132
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:14,760
horrors, heresy stuff, I think, because I don't think the modern,

1133
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,720
like the 40k Emperor's Children have got they look a bit.

1134
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:26,440
It's a real trip. No, I mean, modern dark angels, I think I'd say the best modern drip,

1135
01:43:26,440 --> 01:43:32,440
especially the line. You have a fair decent war cry repent for tomorrow you die. That's a cool one.

1136
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:38,680
It's pretty good. I think I just think there's too many words in it. It's maybe not too many,

1137
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,560
but it's definitely approaching the upper limit of like, hey, you got to stop. We're trying to

1138
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:49,080
convey a complex thought and then about when you need a short when you go for the lion, you're done.

1139
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:54,200
Yeah, see that for the axe is always great. Or just repent one is when you're like on the

1140
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:58,840
boarding torpedo and you're like just sending a transmission like you wake up, you better be ready

1141
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:03,400
to repent tomorrow you die. How long has this thing got to go 10 minutes, 10 minutes, we're

1142
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:10,200
going to wreck you by that repent tomorrow you die is great for like, like you said, as you're

1143
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:16,440
entering the battle, not when you're on the battlefield and mid charge, then you just sound

1144
01:44:16,440 --> 01:44:21,880
like you need to practice your writing skills. I mean, the best one is Dredgen on Kiliman.

1145
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:32,120
Oh, my favorite still grim gore iron hide. He just shouts shame, say my name, say my name.

1146
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:38,760
That's pretty bad. See spreads dwarfs across the mountain. It needs to be a crossover meme with

1147
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:43,560
the breaking bad. I was like, say my name. And go. God damn right.

1148
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:53,000
With that being said, though, that was part two of the great crusade. Next time we should be doing

1149
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,320
the next three legions. So I'm guessing that will be Imperial Fists.

1150
01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:04,840
Who's like scars and space wolves? Yes, that'll be those three. I mean, that'll be a pretty,

1151
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:08,440
I think we've all got our favorite already before that's even started. But

1152
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:15,080
I'm well, I hope that that'll be quite a fun one. Because I think that happens. There's quite a lot

1153
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:19,960
that happens to especially the White Scars with all their really good books. So we'll get into

1154
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:25,080
that one. With that being said, though, thank you guys so much for listening for watching.

1155
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:29,560
Hope you guys all enjoyed this one's quite information dense this one, but we hopefully

1156
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:35,880
covered some very cool stuff. And we'll catch you all on the next one. Peace.

1157
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Take care, everyone. Have a good one.