I will say though, that's a lot of cometh. There's a lot of cometh in that quote.
I think that this is further proof that that whole, uh,
God's are not real thing is a load of malarkey. The emperor's pushing.
He has faith in everything he has. Stop.
Stop being surprised. People turn religious.
You can have, you can have faith in things which are not necessarily religious.
I have faith that my delivery driver will come. He's delivering my pizza.
You can, but I think in the context of this,
I like that idea that you're your example, how that when you get,
you're like praise be to pizza hut.
Well, I know it's coming, but I'm not exactly,
I'm not putting my hands together and worshiping the pizza gods.
Although maybe we all should cause it's divine.
They've bestowed an extra garlic dip. Praise be.
I praise be to him because Lord knows who cannot out pizza the hut.
Hello ladies and gentlemen,
and welcome back to the beginner to expert podcast on law crimes.
We are continuing with our historical telling of both the,
the time before and during the imperium. Uh,
if you've been following what we've been doing for the last few episodes,
you'll know that last time we were at the great crusade where we,
we did an overview of the events and now we're starting to get into the nitty
gritty of it because there's a lot to talk about with the great crusade.
And today is no exception because we're going to be starting on probably the
first of maybe three, four, five more parts where we're going to discuss all the
different legions, but we'll get into that. To begin this episode though,
it is time for the question of the week. Now,
for those of you who are on our last episode, uh,
the question of the week we had our friend dread and on on,
which was very good fun. It was the blood Ravens episode and the hashtag was
hashtag klepto. What would you steal from the 40 K universe?
And I've got a few, uh, choice. I'm excited for this one.
I'm really ready. Yeah. Oh,
uh, there's, there's some, uh, some pretty good ones.
So we'll start things off with a DJ beast. He's a regular commenter and a shout
out to you, mate. We,
we love to see you on the channel commenting on the live streams as such.
He said, hashtag klepto. I would steal Ferris Manus with how much law that guy
has. I don't think anyone would know he's missing until the 50th millennium.
Oh, that's my iron heart.
Oh, where's this guy live? I need to fight him.
Definitely the highest rated one of all the comments. Fight him.
What for being right? I didn't say he was wrong. I just had to fight him.
He didn't say anything mean. He just said he has no law.
I know. God, they really got ahead of themselves. I didn't they?
Oh, I know. I know. I know. It sucks. Nice.
So the second one we have is from, uh, is it casmud2131? He said,
hashtag klepto. I would steal the L from the world eaters name to make it even
easier for people to get their name mixed up with the word bearers, which is
something I actually, that's a real issue. Isn't it? I actually had that.
Yeah. I think I want to hit that guy with a brick.
Yeah. But again, I'm pretty sure that was the second highest rated of all the
comments as well. So like, yeah, by popular demand, if you, if you will.
The word eaters, they aggressively read books.
How many likes does, how many likes did it have?
19. I want to hit 19 people.
Aggressive library, literally, uh, even they have like librarians in Warhammer.
These are like a legion of aggressive librarians and not the magic kind,
the book kind. And they just.
Book kind. And as they hit you, they're just going, shh, that's nice.
Well, I'm beating you. Silence.
How do I pronounce this? Uh, so the next one is from a Naryon Targaryen 6973.
And he said, I would steal the sword of Cain from fantasy and take it to the 40k
universe and give it to the elder so they can start killing named characters.
Yes. Wow.
Yes. Colin.
Never had such a simp of a question.
Colin's favorite subscriber now.
Oh, based in Tyrion Pills.
I knew it would make Colin happy.
Colin has to answer that. Who's the first named character who gets it then?
Uh, it'd be fun. Uh, you know, that's what I, that's what I need to think on.
Cause it would be depending on, you know, there's a couple answers I think would be quite a poetic,
you know, captain Artemis of the death watch probably has it coming after he ruined Inniad.
Uh, it would be really funny if he just murdered, uh, like the lion immediately.
Like, he just gets ganged.
That would make me laugh. Calgar also would be pretty funny.
He just needs to die. And I like the old runes more.
So no man. Marne.
What's the state for killing Calgar? What's that about?
Marneas Calgor will live forever.
That's right, baby.
Calgor just needs to die. He's just so old, dude.
There was one question I found that made me laugh really hard because of the second half of it.
May I, may I give that one a breed? Yeah, go for it.
Go for it.
This one is from Liz SP9LB and, uh, you know, hashtag klepto.
I'd steal whatever Eldritch hair products allowed the emperor to have hair that straight,
despite regularly holding a flaming sword six inches from his head.
So first of all, that's a good point. However, the second part was also the episode was great.
I can't believe Colin was able to record with the blood ravens actively tunneling into his home.
Again, my bad on the construction timing did not work out very well.
They do, uh, they do destroy in the life.
There was just like the imperial fists are currently fortifying Colin's position.
They're like brilliant.
People are so funny. I also had the blood, uh, blood, blood angels. I always made the goof.
We're not even in the podcast anymore.
The blood ravens do, uh, destroy knowledge of their Legion in other places. So they would come.
They do. He was, they were after me.
Little accurate.
Marry him.
And the last comment I have is from, uh, CRDT2TM.
You know how happy I just made you before, Colin?
Uh, you might want to brace yourself for this one.
It's going to get ruined, isn't it?
Well, it's hashtag klepto. I would steal Colin's shit takes on Bretonnia, Chads,
and offer them up as the greatest gift Nergal has ever received.
Oh, I see. I see. I now want, I now want to hit 21 people with a brick.
With one brick or more bricks?
Listen, man, whatever it takes.
Colin, did you see the post-punctuation?
You don't want to bring one brick and then it shatters. You know, you need several just in case.
Indeed. What'd you see?
You see the deadlifts for the grail that I, that I, uh, mentioned you.
That is nice.
Uh, I don't think I did.
Uh, I'm going to need to look at that when I'm not even put it up in the edit.
I'm going to need to not look at it right now because of the audio, but I will actually.
Is he going to make, is that guy going to get a pipe sound effect now?
We'll have to explain that at some point.
Oh yeah. I'll explain it. All right.
I'm going to save it.
Save it. Save it for a good point.
Wait till no one has it coming. Wait till you're done.
In the middle of it.
Uh, but, uh, yeah, uh, not a fan of Bretonia. Not a fan of that comment.
Zero to 10.
10 out of 10 for me, baby.
Oh, uh, with that said and done, we need, it's time for us to put up a new question of the week.
And, uh, this one I believe was devised by Hal and it's, I think it's brilliant.
Uh, so the hash, well, we'll say what it is first.
So question of the week is, best chaos God to worship? Question mark.
And the hashtag is chaos me daddy. So hashtag.
Let's go.
Who is the best chaos God and why would you worship them? You know, you can give a,
assuming it's going to be mainly Slenesh, but we'll see.
You can give a genuine answer if you want, or you can just make it, um, completely just brain dead
ruined. If you know what I mean, we, we like all kinds of answers.
We're going to ban anyone who says, um, malice or is that okay?
It's technically also, we didn't say it has to be 40 K. You can also
mentioned the great horned rat. If you wanted to.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah. Cool.
Praise, praise Hesha.
Mayor Mayor cast for laborers,
all the gold. Don't worry. They're not slaves. They're laborers.
They're employed technically.
Also, I thought you meant a video Eli. I, I did in fact see that already. It was not a fan,
but it is designed. It is a cool design.
We're going to make dead list for the lady as well. Cause I got people asking.
Yeah. I'm actually wearing a dead left. The dark, uh, dark scouts.
Heddy, uh, anyway, anyway. Yeah. It's good.
More fans much someday.
One day. I have some ideas. Um, but yeah, with that all said and done and speaking of dead
left for the dark gods, I suppose it's time to pass it over to Eli for, uh, the beginner section.
I believe is that the case Eli?
Really?
That would be me.
I, today we are going to talk about the first and third and fourth legions of space marines and
what they were up to during the great crusade and maybe a little tiny bit slowly before that
because they were kind of pretty sure all of them were around in the unification wars. So
first of all is the dark angels, the first legions, the old geez of the space marines.
We've talked about Lionel Johnson quite a lot on the channel. So I think many of our viewers may
know a thing or two about these nightly honorable guys, but they were the absolutely first to start
these to fight for the emperor and with the emperor. And we're once divided into six distinct
combat wings known as the hexagram of time, which doesn't exist really nowadays as much as it used
to, but it was big for them back then. They found their Primarch Lionel Johnson on the world of
Caliban and quickly took to his nightly ways during the crusade. They had a record only rivaled by
the Luna wolves and grew to become one of the largest legions until losing over 50,000 space
Marines in the rang down, xenocides, uh, the Legion developed a rivalry with Lehman Russ and
the space wolves and they had some issues, you know, internally with Mr. Luther, the Lionel
Johnson second in command, almost letting Lionel Johnson be assassinated. Uh, the lion sense,
Luther and some Legionaries back to the home world of Caliban. And this would prove to be
a disastrous mistake in the times to come. How we'll talk about them a lot more in the expert
section. The emperor's children were likely in my opinion, the most noble and regal of all the
space Marine legions ever. And we're literally the best Legion before bad things happened. Uh,
during the great crusade, they were so lauded and perfect that the emperor gave them and only
them permission to bear the Palatine Aquila upon their breast because they saved the emperor from
some insurgence and the emperor liked them very much. They constantly strove for perfection and
anything less was seen as failure. They were loved by the Imperial army men and they were great
leaders. They were truly the embodiment of perfection and all that the emperor desired
for his space Marines. They were kind of similar to the salamanders. I'd say before fulcrum came
along and even afterwards, at least with how the humans liked them. Uh, see once they found fulcrum
things got a little bit better because before fulcrum they were suffering, suffering horribly
from a blight within their gene seed and a lot of gene seed like disasters. Um, but Fabius kind of
got them through that. Fulcrum helps them more on that later. Fulcrum who leads them is a Phoenician.
He is the most beautiful of the Primarchs, uh, rivaled by Synguinius, but Fulcrum's all natural
baby Synguinius has wings and stuff. So let's get him out of there. He's, uh, the Legion was full of
sublime swordsmen, many artists, but when they came to the planet of Lair, everything changed and
things went downhill. The fourth Legion were the iron warriors. They still are the iron wars. Uh,
they're determined and brutally efficient. Their gene seed was very stable. So they were very
numerable in the early times of the great crusade and the unification wars and all that jazz.
Uh, and they originally saw very, very good success in the opening stages of the great crusade and they
had tons of warriors and lots of fancy war machines, but they never changed their ways
throughout the crusade as all the other legions kind of adopted their own wacky fancy combat
styles and ways of warfare that were usually fueled by pride a lot of the time, more than anything
else. Um, and they just very flashy depending on the Legion, I guess. Uh, but the iron warriors
never changed was made them very reliable for certain types of warfare, which unfortunately
meant the, uh, Imperium sent them to kind of the worst war zones to fight in grueling siege battles
in very, uh, un-glorious wars with no attention really. So nobody gave them any thanks nor really
paid attention to them. The other legions thought they were kind of, uh, they didn't really have any
honor because of their ways of attrition and they just became relentless and apathetic, which only
got worse when they met Perturabo, who, uh, ordered decimation upon seeing his Legion. He would later
then send them into grinding and bloody wars, sowing out all of the weakness in them and letting
only the strong survive. Uh, so they were basically already severed from the Imperium before the Horus
Heresy and they were very much on their own. But I will let Hal begin on the expert section and get
into the nitty gritty of all these things. Thank you very much, Eli. I'm not gonna lie. My mind is
still thinking of the, uh, law crimes much from earlier and I was thinking cause law crimes with
jumpsuits and like, like things written about. I do have the idea of like all of us in front of,
you know, like the police, like the grid, the lines with like the, you hold up the number and then.
Oh, like, yeah. Oh my God. That'd be pretty good. I have some ideas for some designs. So we'll see.
We're just like Warhammer quote is written wrong. Like loyalty, loyalty is his own special discount
or something like that. Something, uh, yeah. All right. And wrong. Bring forth the corrupt
politicians death, death to the false, um, clown God or something, you know, just like,
just like a little bit off kilter. Um, leave Jaggerack alone, bro. Sorry. But, uh, we're not
speaking of law crimes much today. We're speaking of the, uh, first few legions in the great crusade.
And we do begin with the dark angels Legion. Uh, obviously with the return of Lionel Johnson,
it's probably quite a few of you who are like, either you're just learning about Warhammer or
you're already in it. And you kind of like, Oh, these guys are getting a lot of love recently.
And for good reason, because the dark angels Legion were actually the prototype Legion formed
in the Imperial palace towards the latter part of the 30th millennium. They would be the very
first experimentation with Astarte's gene seed. They were literally the template from which all
other legions would be created. And a lot of their recruits that were drawn from the Legion, a lot of
the other legions, they would draw from like similar places, people from different backgrounds.
The first Legion that they're known at the time, um, they actually had, uh, recruits come from
all cultures across terror at the time. Um, they didn't have anything, uh, unifying them.
So they kind of made their own unique culture within the Legion, which is kind of a blend of
many of the different, uh, Terran born, uh, kingdoms that had fallen or capitulated to the
rise of the emperor. In fact, the first Legion being the first Legion, they had access to
many of the tactics, war gear and intelligence that would be tested first within them and then
given to the other Legion. So they were very much the testing ground and pretty much the first,
uh, Astarte's that would see open warfare. And obviously the first time humans would come across
Astarte's and get crunked in battlefields, not fun for them. And they did, uh, even towards the
latter part of the great crusade, they still had access, some of the better guns and technology.
It's even said they had access to equipment from the dark age of technology, which if you are new
to Warhammer, that's the time period where it was humanity at their sort of height. Uh, this was
many millennia before. And so they were given sort of a, a bit of an edge, a little bit unfair. We
could probably say, I'm not sure, but. Well, I know the rationale was like, we are on stage one of
reclaiming the galaxy. We need to give them every advantage they can get to just kill anything.
Cause like, it's very much like under, under reported how much bad stuff there was in the
galaxy before the Astarte started like, like they exterminating, yeah. And that was like,
nasty creatures. I know in the, I was just saying before this reading of listening to the
Cofonia reckoning book, where there's a few dark angels involved from there talking about like,
Oh, they have a void cannon. Like, Oh, that's dangerous. That they shouldn't have that. That's
really day. Oh, that's all cataclysmic damage. They should, Ooh, and they have like vortex guns
and all sorts of crazy stuff that you wouldn't see in the current setting. Cause imagine the
tabletop, like I play one dark angel. He uses void cannon. I win. They probably also have the,
they have the KFC recipe as well. Uh, this is not confirmed, but, um, even with their surgery scars,
still fresh, the first Legion was sent to the field of battle as they took part in the purge of the
Thunder Warriors, which were the previous iteration of super soldier created for the emperor of
mankind. Um, there's a really cool part in the Constantine Valdo book, which is where it's the
last sort of attempt of the Thunder Warriors to rebel against the emperor who's trying to
ax them, shall we say. And the Thunder Warriors are described like bears in combat. They're large,
stocky, brutal, but the Astartes are described like wolves. They move faster. They're a bit smaller
than Thunder Warriors, but their gene seed is much more stable and they work together in packs and
they kind of tear apart the Thunder Warriors as like litchy wolves fighting bears. Although I've
mentioned it before on the podcast and I love how Usher Tan, the Primarch of the Thunder Warriors,
is like, they fight like they're constipated. You're like constipated. Oh, poor space marines
being like gapped at by the Thunder Warriors. That guy's nutty because his first appearance in
lore is like him, Constantine Valdo looking at him and then he just looks at him and goes,
this is fun. He's just revving his chainsaw and attacking civilians. Like, oh my God.
Isn't it amazing how everyone who serves the emperor either gets killed by him or tries to kill him?
That's a, almost like he's a bad guy. Yeah, that's true, but I don't, that's not something we can.
My heresy detector is twinge, I don't know, like I'm sensing some heresy here. That's a theory I
can't quite tackle now because of spoilers. Orc and Mork never did anything better than their
followers. True. Unless they're busy headbutting each other. True. They even resurrected their
followers, don't they? Yeah, that doesn't matter right now. Or give them visions as well,
the blessed visions. But the first legion at this time now, so they're openly declared in the
Imperium, which is only on Terra still. They are simply known as the first legion because there
were no other legions generally at the time. And were as angels of death. Angels of death. So the,
over the years of the unification wars, their arm and equipment would become more sophisticated,
better with the alliance with the Mechanicum of Mars. They would also get better powered armor,
because at the time, they don't have quite the powered armor you see in the models, on the
tabletops like Mark VI. At the time, they're using much more bare bones stuff, even their
bolters are not as sophisticated. So they, people often ask, why do they not unite Terra very
quickly? It's because they didn't have good stuff until they got to the stars, really.
And I will start with a first quote here. I think I'm going to hand that to Andy, if you see that
in the sidebar chat here. This is a little taster of how the Dark Angels are. Take it away.
I do like my Dark Angels.
Since the founding of their legion, at the birth of the Imperium, the Space Marines of the Dark
Angels have been dreaded by their enemies and held in awe by those they protect. Stubborn and
relentless in battle, ever vigilant and zealous in their pursuit of their duties. Dark Angels are
among the Emperor's most faithful servants. Yes. That's not my point.
It was a mic drop, shall we say. So, duty will come up quite a bit with the theme of the Dark
Angels, or not quite Dark Angels yet, shall we say. So, the first legion, they now launched to
the stars with the Great Crusade. They elect a Grand Master named Hector Cain, because at the
time there are no Primarchs. There are simply Astartes and the Emperor. And they start to begin
the conquering of the Great Crusade, launching out, fighting horrifying Xenos, non-compliant
colonies of mankind. Basically, the kill count starts rising at this point. And for nearly a
century, the legion would fight. Much of it was broken apart into multiple expeditionary fleets,
because they had such a high number of legionaries. Obviously, being the first one created,
they had a lot more recruitment. Not a lot of love in these death soldiers, shall we say.
And this would all change, though, when the legion came across a death world named Caliban. This one,
funny enough, very significant. It's going to come up quite a lot. And the death world of Caliban
was just an overgrown forested area. And when the legion came upon it, they descended down
and to their utter shock, and also their joy too, they found their Primarch, Lion L. Johnson.
And for most other legions, quite a few of them had already found their Primarch. So,
the lion was found sort of middle of the pack. And despite being the first legion, they were,
they still consider themselves, you know, many a template and a founder to all the other ones. They
didn't have their Primarch for a while. So, it's a bit of like a chip on their shoulder. But now they
have found their Primarch. And with the return of their Primarch to the legion, they would literally
change forever. They would, the recruitment for the legion would now no longer come from terror,
but from the world of Caliban itself. The legion was renamed to the Dark Angels, which is after a
Calibanite myth, which is, so as you can start to see that Caliban starts to permeate the legion,
even though they didn't have such a strong and distinct culture like some of the other legions,
the, it's quite common that a lot of the Primarchs would mold the legions and the lion was no
different. The lion would also bring in a culture of secrecy to the legion. So the Dark Angels are
quite unique in the sense they have a ranking system so that accolades and different, like prizes,
prizes, not the right word, but like different levels of responsibility are given with different
levels of knowledge within the legion. So some may be a sergeant or a captain, but then the sergeant
may have more knowledge about a certain secret set within the Dark Angels. Therefore he might
be of higher rank in certain situations. A little bit confusing, but basically to say there's a
certain amount of espionage going on in the background. The legion also takes on a little
bit more of a Celtic Teutonic knight visual to their armor. I'm actually gonna tap in Colin here
a little bit because for some people who might not know Colin, would you like give like a brief
rundown about who the tectonic knights are? Just cause a little side bit of history here,
if anyone doesn't know. Oh, oh, actual Teutonic knights. Yeah, actual ones. No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no, just the real history ones. They were a German group of knights, most famous for
after their crusades into the Baltic regions and helping to bring Christianity to like Poland,
Lithuania, those areas. And also that really cool painting in the battle where the ice is cracking
under their feet and the frozen lake. Battle of Brunwald? I believe, I think it was. I will
admit it's been a while since I've looked much into Teutonic knights. But yeah, crusaders just
instead of in the Middle East, they were in Eastern Europe. If you'd like a very brief summary of them.
I'll go for it. Yeah. No, I mean, that's my brain. Like I said, it's been a minute since I've
looked into them. That era of history was not quite much my specialty, I'm afraid.
But yeah, that's the rough little summary. If you're curious about what's the origin
Teutonic knights, what are those German crusaders who went to Eastern Europe?
They take on, they take on quite a few of the armor styles of this, like cultural influence as
well. Although it does lean a little bit more on the Celtic side with Caliban itself. So it's a
little bit more speaking about the palace, like greens and there's like things with ivy and leaves
and they have certain relations to this is this is like a thing I just noticed myself. So it may not
be confirmed, but how certain scroll work is made on like the British Isles has a similar theme to
the castle, the order in Alderwick on Caliban, the part where the lion grows up. There's a little bit
of influence there, but we're not going to get too much into that. The lion also chains the legion,
bringing in the hexagrammaton, you know, the as we mentioned earlier in Eli's beginner section there.
This was a structure that divided the legion into various wings. I have got them all out.
We did actually do a quiz on this. Or we should have remembered it by heart, but just a brief run
down there as the Dreadwing, Ravenwing, Deathwing, Firewing, Ironwing and the Stormwing Protocol.
These are not all continue to the modern 40k timeline as well. There is an interesting thing,
like the the Deathwing and the Ravenwing are in the Dark Angels, but for example, the Dreadwing,
I think, is in the Angels of Vengeance. So they kind of split a couple of them off to a couple of
their successors. So they exist, but they're in separate chapters. There's also some smaller
orders within the legion, like as I mentioned earlier, there's ones referred to as the Knights
of Centalus, which are charged with keeping certain secrets about the order. So they have
a quite a complex structure, the legion. The Dark Angels now with their Primarch and Astartes together,
they would renew their efforts within the Great Crusade. They would participate in the compliance
of Moloch, which is a world that will come up later as we talk about the Great Crusade. But it's a
world where the Emperor actually erased the memory of the conquest of this until the some of the
Primarchs will come across it much later because the world holds significance, but that's spoilers
for now. They also participated in the Rangdang Zenosides, which we have mentioned a few times
on the channel so far. This one was, it's a horrifying conflict of the Rangdang, which were
like a manipulative race that put like control cards, praise card. They put like,
space cards, praise card. They had them, they would use other sentient life to fight their battles.
And this was so devastating, as Eli said earlier, that they, the Dark Angels lost a huge number of
Astartes. And there was even with the Primarch Lionel Johnson, you know, the tactical genius that
he was, they still couldn't, there was just no way around it. They had to fight and get stuck in.
And it was the biggest war throughout the Great Crusade. And it sort of shift the balance of
legions after. So now the ultramarines and sons of Horus were now the most numerous after that one.
The Legion also battled in the subjugation of Sarosh. This was a planet they believed to be
compliant, but they were tricked. The people of Sarosh had feigned compliance in a way. And they
said they wanted to speak to the Primarch, but it was actually an assassination attempt on the lion.
They tried to get a-
Just like when they get there and the White Scars have been trying it for a while and they're just
like, you do it. Like, this is infuriating. They're like, oh, I want to join, but I don't know.
And the White Scars are like, later losers, we're going to go somewhere else and do something useful
because this is just boring.
Later losers were going shopping. That's confirmed from Jagatai Khan.
So the Sarosh almost successfully detonate a nucleonic bomb within the Legion's flagship
with the lion there. But this was prevented by the figure Luthor and Sahariel. Luthor was the
adopted father of the lion and he almost let it happen because he had some jealousy of him growing
up and the lion obviously being so far above him. But the Legion was spared any horrific damage
and they didn't have time to think about it. So they just descended to the world very quickly.
And they found this horrifying Xenos creature that the people have been enslaved to and they
have been feeding the bodies of like basically the Imperial delegates who had come in like
thousands upon thousands of dead. So it was like a horrifying psychic creature, which they did use a
psychic bomb to annihilate, but it kind of changed the Legion after this as the, as I said earlier,
in Eli's part, the trust between Luthor and the lion was broken and the lion himself and so much
secrecy involved in the Legion. Some level of trust, the level of trust wasn't there anymore
to a certain degree. And so parts of the Legion were sent back to Caliban to be recruiters,
which would then cause trouble. But that's something we'll talk about in its own video,
I'm sure the events on Caliban. The Legion then went to battle with the Crave, which they'd
previously fought a little bit in the Rangdans Enosai. They were the Crave. They were held,
Enos P. 2? They were, they were held by the, the Rangda actually had part of control of some
Crave. So they had come across the Crave a little bit, the Dark Angels, but they had come now to the
Ghoulstars to confront the, I'm going to screw this name up, it's the
Autokhtor, it's Autokhthor, Thonar, it's a very, I can't remember how to pronounce this one, it's a difficult name.
No, no, this one is a unique Xenos, but it's actually an ancient weapon created, supposedly
people suspect in the time of the war in heaven. So very long time ago. And this weapon probably
is an Eldar thing. It might be, but actually this weapon's thing is it actually birthed the Crave,
which are kind of, just seeing the actual image of a Crave, they kind of look like a vampire,
like the proper, you know, almost transformed vampire. So very bat-like, which I didn't realize.
The other thing is whenever you mentioned Crave, it just makes me think of that terrible cereal brand.
Oh my God, the Fyrwod chocolate. Yeah. Yeah. And they're like, and they're like, they're like,
the, the marve thing is that they like run after you and chew at you. And I'm like, that's
weirdly fitting, like, and then the Crave happened, you know, get it away. Crave is delicious.
I know. I tried that. I was like, Oh, this is, oh, War Crimes 4, War Crimes 4. Comment below if you like Dr. Pepper or Ginger Ale.
It's Dr. Pepper. Say Ginger Ale. Can someone explain the lore behind this?
Contention. Yeah. Eli's Canadian. Canadians have shit taste and soda.
Spicy taste. I'm flying. I'm getting my plane ticket to America right now.
Thing is I like the taste of Dr. Pepper, but it gives me an upset stomach. So I'm going to have
to go with Ginger Ale just on principle. Dr. Pepper all the way. Coming back to England. Oh yeah.
But with that being said, they do manage to destroy the Crave. Sorry, the Crave, I don't want to say
it again, but the basic, the thing that makes the Crave, the Xenos weapon slash sentient being.
It's quite a sad bit because one of the Legionary sacrifices his life to blow up the Crave's nest.
And it creates like a psychic backlash that allows a lion to basically throttle the thing.
Basically, you know, annihilate it. With this though, the Legion now return, the lion returns
mostly intact, sort of back to the Legion. And the Legion is battling in the Shield Worlds region.
And this is where they would learn of the rebellion of Horus.
I bet that was a old one's creation, actually, because the old ones created a whole lot of
species during that time. Fight the Necrons. Possibly. They don't specify though, who created
the like origin Crave Xenos. Yeah, but they also don't say technically who the warp entity Magnus
talked to, to give up his eye to. They don't technically say who it was. I think we can guess.
It's just a general imply that it's ancient. Very, very ancient. If you ask me, I think they were
just craving a bit of attention. With that being said though, we should obviously mention, because
someone might be like, huh, that doesn't make sense. The second Legion, redacted from history,
they, all we know was they possibly participated in the Rang Danxenocides. And then they were erased
from history. Second Primarch, we've mentioned some previous law in our Primarch videos about
the second Primarch, but essentially, as the second Legion, there's no real like true
information, unfortunately. Did you have something to say, Con? He was arrogant, or no, he was
humorless and possibly hypocritical. That's all we have, according to Fulgrim talking about him.
Well, speaking of Fulgrim, Eli is trying to talk about the prettiest boy in all of the Legions.
Who's dead? Who's dead? What? Who's dead? He lives on in my heart. I go to bed with a framed
picture of him and I'll give, I'll give that maybe sanguineous in his best moments might have been a
bit more fabulous, but Fulgrim was definitely the prettiest. All natural, baby. I don't know about
that one. All right, I guess I will talk about the Emperor's Children. Feel free to pitch in
whenever I miss anything, because my brain is spinning gray and completely inside of Warhammer
40k and not 30k lately. I love the Necrons, but we're not talking about Necrons today.
So the Emperor's Children primarily came from Europa for their gene stock of Space Marines.
They were all nobles and aristocrats, so they were all very, already very regal and noble
and good at leading, which is one reason why they put them with the Imperial Guard so much and kind
of divvied them up, sort of like the Mentor's Chapter, for small units of Space Marines kind
of supporting Imperial Guard, leading their offensives and operations. And in this way,
the Imperial Guard loved them. They really looked up to the Imperial Army, I guess not the Guard at
the time, but they loved the Emperor's Children and really looked up to them. And the Emperor's
Children were prided and lauded about being so nice and honorable, perfect, humble, all the good
stuff because they're so great. They were the only Legion, like we said before, to be given the right
to bear the Palatine Aquila, because they protected the Emperor against some insurrectionists fighting
to the last man with valor that the Emperor had never seen before. The Emperor was wounded by a
vortex weapon, I believe is the lore behind that, and they fought alongside the custodians to protect
him. And in this way, they were kind of given a title and a reputation that they felt that they
needed to live up to, so they really strived to be absolutely perfect and to be the best, because
they were literally the Emperor's Children. Out of all the Space Marine Legions, it was only them
who were given the right to wear this Aquila until after the Horus Heresy, where I'm pretty sure all
the Space Marines have it, but that doesn't really count. So you're basically saying they just
basically went, notice me Senpai, until he did, and then they were happy. It worked.
They were a smaller number, like I said, they were spread out on missions of diplomacy,
and kind of acting as escorts even, and bodyguards to important Imperial diplomats and nobles.
Good for them. Yeah, it was a good time. They weren't really like the other Legions as much,
they weren't quite as feral and bloodthirsty as a lot of the Space Marines. They didn't see quite
as much action, I'd say, because there wasn't as many of them. But yeah, I think at the time,
you could literally say they were the best Legion, because there was only like, I don't know, a few
at this point. Wasn't it the case that they were drawn from the defeated, like, ruling empire,
the sons of the defeated rulers of like, Terra. So when the Emperor was like, I'm killing this,
this uprising of these, this big army. Oh, you're now part of the Imperium, your son,
who would have been the king in your place is now an Emperor's children. And that's why there was
so few, because they were all, like you said, aristocrats, but they were also like, the blood
lines of proud peoples who were all having their little kingdoms. Yeah, that sounds right to me.
Unfortunately, for the third Legion, disaster strikes when a ship of all their genes seed mysteriously
disappears, as later found 10,000 years later, with trays in the infinite. But that, or that,
that does, that deals a large blow to their numbers already. And worse than this, a large,
the rest of their genes seed basically gets corrupted by the flesh blight, which takes a very
long time to weed out of the Emperor's children in general as Fabius Bile, not Chief of Apothecary at
the time, but might as well have been spent all of his days at that time, like literally just killing
his brothers, unfortunately. So most of the Legion was called to get rid of the blights,
and it did kind of work. The blight stopped, but there's only 200 guys left. And Fabius Bile
technically still had the blight, but he didn't tell anybody. Yeah, it's briefly mentioned in his
books, isn't it? He's like, Oh no, here it comes again. In case of the blight. Thankfully, I'm the
doctor and I can forge the records. I'm just going to make another body for myself and go in that
until that's taken by the blight and just ad nauseam do that. Why not? Yeah. Fabius is basically
the main character of the Empress. I think I can say Fabius is the main character of Chaos Space
Marines at this point. There's a really good part. I had to ask everyone, Phil was the same way, but
there's a part he mentions, I think in the Fabius books, isn't it? When he talks to Trezend,
is it Trezend? Trezend the Infinite. And he says, I think Trezend says to him, which one was the real,
like Fabius? Because is the real Fabius the one who technically, the original body that has died
and you're, are you even the same consciousness? You know, is the actually Fabius Bile really dead
and you're just like an echo of the real man or something? There's like an interesting
sort of thing. Very ironic coming from a Necron. Yes. I do like, I think in the Inquisition game,
he's like the final boss and he's just like, oh yeah, Fabius. And you're like, oh, he's not that
one. That one's weird. I never got into that game. That sounds cool. It's a Diablo cloth. Yeah,
that's why I've never played it, but I've seen the cut scene and he's just like, I'm Fabius.
He's like, oh, he's going full like mustache twirling villain mode. Brilliant.
Nice. Geez. Fabius Bile books are epic. You should read them if you have not read them
yet or listen to them. But first you should read Infinite and the Divine.
Or Twice the King. Actually consume all Necron propaganda that you can.
It's only like four books. It's fine. If I'm not even propaganda, it's an old married couple going
in for 10,000 years. This is all propaganda from the deceiver. Do not listen to Eli. Glory to the
Zarek. Glory to the dynasties. The warriors of the war in heaven shall rule the galaxy.
All flesh shall crumble before the night that will befall you. All the unclean lesser beings.
You're going to hate a line in the Infinite and the Divine. I promise I'll shut up about the
Infinite and the Divine after this. You're going to hate a line from Orican, though.
It's not broad important, but he's so it's not too much. I know. I know Orican's not happy about
the transference. He said to not do it in the beginning. He's fighting some Eldar and he
admits that both them and the Necrons are perfect in their own way. Oh, respective way. You know,
I'll give him that. I'll give him that. I'm OK with that. But everyone else,
everyone else is not so lucky. Anyways, back to 10,000 years before that stuff happened,
they found Fulgrim on the beautiful world of Chemos. Chemos, Chemos. I think it's Chemos.
It's a place of wonderful efficiency and art where people have plenty of time to pursue their
hobbies and passions because of Fulgrim's work to make the once barren, dying planet into this
efficient paradise where he basically has repaired all the machines and made everything nice and
better so that people didn't have to work as much. Is this where you want to come in, Hal? Is this
Hal? Is this your thing? There is a part where he does do that famous speech. Do you want to mention
that very quickly when he gets reunited with his legion? I can say that I can I can say it.
Well, basically, he's fine. The speech as is. Oh, no, I think there's a speech out there. We
don't have it on hand, unfortunately. But I'm lacking. I'm lacking. So good. When Fulgrim does
get reunited with his legion, he only finds 200 warriors, I think. Yeah, it's 200 fellas. And I
think he kneels before them, though, which he does. And he gives like such a heartfelt speech. I think
even the emperor approves and says it was really not the word worthy, but it was such a good speech
that he gave to his 200 sons. I think he speaks. I think it says he speaks to them as if they were a
full legion because they feel very like ashamed because they found their Primarch and there's only
200 of them left because of all the blight and the. Yeah, pretty much. So they feel very embarrassed.
But now Fulgrim is reunited with his legion. This is a good time for the legion because they start
to basically repair and they can source actual genes from Fulgrim so they can rebuild the legion.
And this begins the events of Fulgrim just taking over his legion. And one of the first acts he would
do would he would lead his legion to the world of Beisass. And this is very significant in the
legion's early career because Fulgrim declared that he would conquer this world with only seven
men. And everyone's probably thinking, oh, that makes sense because Fulgrim's arrogant as hell.
But this is the young Fulgrim still and his actual true reasoning for this is he has a certain amount
of fear for his legion because a lot of the time they have been previously used as champions,
as I mentioned. And he fears that the legion would essentially be sacrificed and broken apart
because they're just seen as like a lesser legion. They're just, oh, they're just useful for being
involved in the Imperial Garden. So he wants to make a name for the legion in a way so he can keep
what would now be the growing legion sort of united together. And he's so he's not doing it for selfish
reason, reason, sorry. And the world of Beisass is essentially just, it's not a very advanced world,
but this would be like the first time when the legion would bring together basically Terran
recruits and some of the first Chemosian recruits together and they would descend down this planet,
which is similar to Earth in a way. There's kind of kingdoms and their technology is somewhat
slightly advanced from what we have today. And Fulgrim finds himself quickly immersed in the
middle of like a political game. He's not launched, there's many times people question throughout why
he hasn't launched the entire third legion. But again, he's trying to prove a point and he's
trying to set a, you know, a standard which is, you know, my legion are amazing, they do not need to
be broken apart, you know, that I won't allow it to happen. And there's actually a really amazing
scene where Fulgrim and the Emperor's children, they are walking through the streets of Beisass
and also they're seeing this superhuman demigod and ornate beautiful armor and his warriors and
gleaming, you know, purples and golds. And there's a little bit of a divide within the legion at this
time, because there are some who they have the previous Terran veterans and they are, again,
they're Terrans, they are noble warriors, but they're kind of nobles. And the Chemosians are
seen as, or they see themselves sort of more like, not as in they are nobles, but they see themselves
like that as a little bit of discrepancy. And then many don't like Fabius Bayer at the time,
because he's not a very beautiful man, unfortunately. They're already calling him the
Spider. Yeah, they call him the Spider. Even some of them start to make the mistake of thinking,
people try to touch their armor in the crowd and one of them is like, get off me, you know,
don't touch me. Get off my lovely armor. Fulgrim is not happy with this, because Fulgrim delivers
like a speech to his own men, telling him about his humble upbringing, how he'd work in the mines
until his fingers were bloody and, you know, he blisters all over, even as a Primarch. So you're
thinking, what the hell, he can heal very quickly. I think that's even his Primarch ability, he can
heal quicker than some of the other Primarchs. And he speaks to them about how he's not dressed
in all this finery, he doesn't look the part because he thinks he's amazing. He does this
because he wants to show people he can elevate humanity to a certain level. And that's what his
warriors, his Empress children are meant to do. They're meant to be the example to show how
humanity, even the people who have, you know, like him, you know, dust and bloody fingers, they can
still be elevated and risen up. It's a very, like touching scene when it's written. Hopefully I'll
get that voice acted one day in a Fulgrim video because I feel so good. But the events on Bysas
essentially lead to the politics and the different factions try to assassinate Fulgrim many times.
There's a part where they try and attack him in the middle of the street and he like,
full on, you know, Primarch full sprint chasing down, that's terrifying.
And they even try to...
Not at all bothered because like they try to like they shoot at the guy he's politicking with and
he just kind of shields him with his mask and it just all the shots are just pinging off his arm
and he's like, okay, and he's like, you can all surrender if you like and they're like now and
then he has to look. It's quite amusing that book. I quite enjoyed it, to be honest.
It's quite, it's got some wacky moments to it. It's also showing...
And the bit where he's just drinking the wine and he's like, hmm, is that radiation?
It's like, yeah, the grapes are irradiated. So it's got a bit of a bitter twang.
It's like, oh, they keep trying to kill him throughout and his warriors are like,
you know, dude, chill. There's even a part where they try and lead him to like a cathedral
monastery area and try and blow him up, which he manages to successfully evade.
But he's like, oh, Ferris used to teach me how to dismantle nuclear bombs. That sounds familiar.
That noise. Wait a minute. That's a bomb noise. Okay.
Yeah. He gets, he gets a little bit arrogant. I think there's a, there's a poignant part where
I think when the remembrance has said, she, she can tell that he's masquerading his arrogance
in a way like all the Emperor's children sort of play the part of, you know, the refined warrior,
but she always, she's one does if one day it will become the real thing. So he starts to believe his
own lie. So there's a funny little hint there. But eventually Fulgrum and his warriors managed to
fend off an attack on the city that they are currently residing in. They defeat the rebels
and they bring the world into compliance with only seven men. Although some of them get very
roughed up during it. So they're not doing it. And then it also leads to Bizass becoming a
recruitment world because the Emperor's children, again, they've had their numbers been decimated
for so long that they just need to build up their numbers quickly. And this is where,
yeah, again, Bizass is now part of the recruitment pool. And I will hand it back to Eli to talk
about what the Emperor's children did. The rest of the great crusade.
Can I mention one other thing before we move on from that book? I like how it also mentions that
like Fulgrum has been married several times when he was in Chemos and he's obviously like, he ages
very slowly compared to other people. And this is like, did you love them? And he's like, some,
I think, at first, like of all the Primarchs, like there's like a lot of people go, oh,
space queens are virgins and, you know, Primarchs especially. But it's like Fulgrum, he works,
because he's been around. I'm not sure if it implies that. I thought it was like political
marriages. He's been married several times. You're like, hmm, I think he's had ladies.
It's implied that it's more women. It's implied that they're more like political marriages,
I thought, just as how they tie in different groups, like how like they just marry people
together, but then they don't. Obviously, he's so far above a human. It doesn't count really.
Also kind of, and you get like the like Pateraba, like imagine marrying Pateraba.
Fulgrum was laying pipe.
I'll hand it back to Eli very quickly. The rest of the children were great crusade.
Oh man, pre-Harcy Fulgrum lore makes me so sad every time. He was so awesome. It feels so freaking
bad to be like if Gilman or St. Guineas fell to chaos, it'd be like a Gilman whenever MFC would
never, you would never think of falling to chaos. It's just such a feels bad. I know.
Like, oh, I can't believe Fulgrum had wives. How dare he? I think it's the scene with the,
it's the scene in the, what he's like being very humble because he was actually very humble
initially. He tried to keep his legion humble too, but one chicken sword ruined it all.
Oh plot. Bad sword, bad sword. Should have listened to Eldred. Yep. He almost did to be fair,
but the sword ruined it. Oh well, whatever. Anyways, so he, yeah, he did that stuff and
it was all super nice. They were still very small legion though, too small to kind of go out on the
great crusade by themselves. So Horus ended up mentoring Fulgrum and his legion. So the legion
spent a lot of time with the Lumawolves and created a very good brotherly bond and friendship that
was only second to Therys Manus. Fulgrum was friends with lots of his brothers. I think most
of them generally liked them, liked him up until things started to get iffy, which, you know,
obviously, but him and Horus worked together for quite a while and they fought on murder together.
If I remember correctly, I don't actually know if Fulgrum was on murder. I think it was just-
He does appear slightly, doesn't he get summoned by Horus because Horus is not impressed with what
some of the emperor's children do on murder. Yeah. The Vlegun kind of started to be,
the space brain started to get pretty arrogant and jerky. Idleon, World Commander Idleon, was even
like boasting about how great they were on murder and how wonderful the emperor's children were,
but in reality they were actually saved by the Lumawolves, I'm pretty sure. I kept thinking that
the blood angels were there too, but apparently- Yeah, they were there originally and then they're
like annihilated and they find like all the blood angels corpses like in the trees. Okay, so I'm
remembering it actually. They're in the trees. Murder was infested by these very scary bug things.
That's kind of like all I remember. I don't know if there was much more to say about it.
Yeah. Big scary bugs, not the tyrannids, just actual like chitinous bugs, stuff like that. It
was not a great time, but you know what? They got through it and they learned and they're still
friends with the Lumawolves, so everything's okay. They also fought against the diasporics, I think,
with the other Nihons, which is one of the reasons why they were friends with them. The main reason
for the friendship though, of course, is the classic story of Ferris, Manus, and Fulgrim becoming
best buddies, making weapons together, and then giving each other the weapons that they made.
Fulgrim even gave Ferris his nickname, the Gorgon, and they have a very nice relationship throughout
the entire Great Crusade, which is all goes away when bad things happen. But whatever.
As arrogant as they were, there were still lots of really nice guys in the Legion, like Salt Harvitz.
He was a cool dude, and the one guy that Fulgrim killed on the statue, whose name I don't remember
anymore, but there were plenty of nice guys in the Legion. Sorry, yeah, sorry guy. Wasn't that guy
whom Julius as well? Julius? Julius Pateron? Yeah, he was quite a noble. Wow, what a subtle name.
Yeah, as a bit of an overt reference to slightly Greco-Roman things, which is sad because I thought...
Phoenicians. I thought, hopefully there'll be a bit more of a...
We have explained slightly what the Phoenicians are, I think, in a previous episode, but we'd hope
that slightly proto-Carthaginian vibe would come through a bit more. Well, Julius was the
first captain as well, so he was a big player in the Legion. It's still a cool armor though, very
cool armor. But yeah, the Emperor's Children started to get very obsessed with perfection, and were
masters of swordsmanship and war in general. A lot of them pursued the arts, like painting and poetry,
but overall the Legion was very skilled. I think their biggest weakness was probably their
individualistic manner, because they were all so practicing to be perfect themselves. They maybe
kind of neglected the teamwork aspect and all that. Not as a whole, I think just in general though.
And of course, their pursuit of perfection would indeed be their undoing in the end, so you know,
whatever. But they were really epic for a time. Their fleets were bastions of the arts. They had
tons of remembrancers in them, probably more than everyone else, I think. Or at least they treated
them better than everyone else for the most part. And their remembrancers practiced the arts as well,
acting, music, sculpting, painting, and the likes. They held performances within the ships, which
there was one special performance that didn't go so well. But we're not about that part yet.
Spoilers. Heresy spoilers.
But yeah, compared to all the other Legions, I think the Emperor's children, as arrogant as they
had become, they still kept a good degree of their humanity, probably alongside guys like the
Salamanders and the White Scars and the likes. So they were liked by their remembrancers. Not all
the Space Marines liked them, because some of the Space Marines still thought the arts were dumb
and wanted to put all of their efforts into just being perfect at war. And I mean, it worked out
for them. They were a lot of good commanders and a lot of good swordsmen. But like I said earlier,
they were kind of glory hungry, which fueled a lot of pride and led to conflict and not great
things. But heroes arose from the Legion, like Salt, Harvest, Eidolon, you could say, I guess.
Lucius was definitely a popular guy until... what's his name? Holy frick, the Lunar Wolves guy,
the main character of the Legion. Garfiel Orokin.
So Garfiel Orokin punched him in the face and then that was...
Thor Garen also humbled Eidolon during the Battle of Murder. And like,
Eidolon's messing everything up, but then the Lunar Wolves drop and Thor Garen's like,
right, you're doing what I'm saying, you're useless. And then Eidolon's like, we did amazing.
And he's like, no, you didn't. Eidolon was like the top douchebag of the Emperor's children.
And Lucius, he was like mid tier douchebag and Tarvitz was like zero douchebag. He was a really
nice guy. They named a planet Murder. Come on. I mean, it's not the real name. It's just what they
nicknamed it. So like that place is... It's from the Murder. It was horrible. Fair enough. Yeah.
I think that's kind of like the main battles of the Great Crusade though. There's the Diaspora,
so we need, because they had the time warping weapons, if I remember correctly. Or is that not
them? Was that them? I'm pretty sure that was them. The Diaspora are the ones where they have...
Yeah, that's the... I think the Diaspora is the ones with the...
They're human and aliens that traveled in like a spacefaring fleet. They even had some like old,
old like Terran, proto-Terran like ships from back when Terran was a colony.
They go through the murder system and they've like triggered a beacon. So then they turn up and go,
what are you guys doing here? It's like, oh, is that your stuff? Who are you?
Yeah. And if I remember correctly, Fulgrim and the lads actually saved Ferus,
because he kind of gets a little too headstrong and tries to... He throws himself in.
And that... Ferus wasn't very happy about that, but Fulgrim did save his life, I'm pretty sure.
After that though, probably the main event for the Emperor's children and their whole storyline
throughout all of Warhammer is they came to the planet of Lair, an ocean world with lots of
different islands of coral, big giant coral structures. And it was ran by these snake-like
fishy beings with very... They were very muscular, multi-armed for the most parts. But I think their
most important thing about the species is that they were all genetically modified to fit certain
roles, which Fabius found out about and took a very big interest in and tried to tell Fulgrim
that they should do that too. And Fulgrim at first was like, nah, bro, that's cringe. But then with
like two extra words of prodding, Fabius convinced him and Fulgrim said, yeah, okay, we should do that.
Do it. Do it. I like the idea. Yeah, literally.
Having prototypes, he's like, check this out, you know the fish people, right? Hear me out.
Ilmarine. He can breathe underwater. It's like, that's... Okay, okay, I'll come back in a minute.
He's just like, it's gone. Ivar was like, Fabius, no, you're being weird. And then like, oh, you can
shriek. Eidolon can do a big scream. Oh, that's useful. Okay, well, maybe. So, yeah, exactly.
Fabius convinced Fulgrim that it was part of their pursuit of perfection to get closer to the
emperor, which of course at first Fulgrim said the emperor's work is perfect. But then Fabius
kind of convinced him a little bit otherwise and started to see some doubts in Fulgrim's mind. And
if it wasn't the Lair Blade, then it was definitely Fabius who kind of ruined everything for the
Legion as he started to modify the Battle Brothers and make these stimulant cocktails
from the alien species. It was all around just a bad thing to do.
To be fair, the Lair species were also worshipping Slanash and their temples and they were kind of
like, infused with it. So like, either way, it's all Lair. It's Lair-based corruption.
Unfortunately, the Space Marines didn't know about Slanash because somebody didn't tell them. And so
Fulgrim goes into this Lair temple. Fulgrim goes into the final Lair temple that the people of Lair
were dying en masse to defend this one last place, the bastion of their people. And all the Lair were
making out and reproducing. It's really one flawed scene, isn't it? Really sensual. Just making out.
There was a lot of fish people, slimy, slithery snakefish people, embraced doing their thing.
And Fulgrim sees a cool sword in the middle of it and thinks, wow, this is really pretty.
And he takes the sword and, I don't know, the end. That's it. Everything sucks after that.
But whatever. He takes the sword and he starts hearing some weird voices in his head,
but doesn't figure out it's a sword until later. Because demons don't exist, silly guy.
And then a certain elf head says, hey, don't pick up the sword.
You already picked up the sword!
I do like that. He's always getting involved and every time the Primarch is like, go away.
I don't want to hit. He went to Ferris, he went to Fulgrim. They're like, no, shoo.
Shoo. We know what we're doing.
So after Lair, Fulgrim goes and meets up with Eldrad Uthran of the Ulthwe craft world in a
sort of parlay. And Eldrad tells Fulgrim the unthinkable that his brother Horus is going to
betray the Emperor and he's going to doom the galaxy to an eternity of war. And at first,
Fulgrim's mad, but then he comes to his senses and he's like, oh, well, maybe this guy's right.
He showed me some stuff and maybe I should believe him. But then the sword at his side
speaks in his head and Fulgrim thinks that the sword's thoughts are like his own thoughts at
this point. You can't really distinguish between the two. And the sword unfortunately convinces
him otherwise. And he attacks Eldrad. And when Eldrad sees the sword, he realizes it's far too
late anyways. He kills some Eldar. He 1v1s in Avatar of Kain and beats it up with his bare hands.
Classic. Classic. He choked out a metal statue. They don't need air. He punches it in the face and
he takes a W. He can take out Avatar of Kain. It's not a big deal. It's fine. Listen, that short
took place after three days of nonstop constant battle. If it panned 10 feet to the left, you'd
see the mountain of smurf corpses. Floating ultramarines are coming for you. The animation,
there's too few frames. They're still in the air. They're gonna get you. They're gonna get you.
We need to give all of them helmets to save on the budget.
Geez, feels bad. But yeah, the Emperor's Children with Fulgrim also destroys some Eldar and we see
Fabius' influence on the chapter as Mr. Eidolon screams really loud at a wave serpent and literally
destroys a tank. That's cool. Lucius picks up a Howling Banshee sword and decides that it's
pretty cool. He got a new toy and he's dual wielding now. That's cool stuff. But everything
after that sucks so freaking much. It gets so sad every time I think about it. But at the end of the
Great Crusade, before the big no-no happens, Fulgrim goes to talk with Horus and he kind of already
feels like he knows what it's going to be about and he thinks about Eldrad's words and he gets
all the weapons ready on the Emperor's Children flagship, which name I unfortunately have forgotten.
But he's- The Pride of the Emperor?
Sure. There's Andronicus and then there's the Pride of the Emperor is their biggest one.
Ah. I know the Vengeful Spirit and that's about all I can give you. But he has his weapons primed
at the Vengeful Spirit and he's literally about to issue the command and kill Horus and literally
end the Horus heresy before it even happens. And then Eidolon strolls up and he's like,
Sire, you forgot your sword. And then Fulgrim picks up his sword and all thoughts of destroying
Horus disappear conveniently and our hero does not become the hero, he becomes quite the opposite.
But that is the end of the Great Crusade for the Emperor's Children. If I missed anything,
please forgive me. Even though it's probably Fabius's fault, we'll just say it's Eidolon's
fault because that's easier. Yeah, yeah, basically. Fabius was a fault for the Legion falling as a
whole, I'd say. Actually, the Lair temple, whatever, it's stupid. But without, you know, if
you know, thickhead didn't come in with a sword, or if nothing else, even if Fulgrim didn't win,
would have been a whole lot of dead Luna wolves. Yep. Yeah, it would be. You wonder why I don't
read the Horus heresy because my faction battle tank got killed by a guy yelling at it.
That's right. 60 million years of technology can't, can't be wrong. Some dude really laugh. God,
thank you. Thank you very much. Yes. Go to the guy. Sorry. I was gonna say even in the Necron
books, because we're going, this is not Horus heresy related, sorry, but they get shot with a big
bullet from one of the Imperial ships. And it talks about how the quantum shield was made to
resist the forces of like literal gods and star ending technology. But it wasn't made with the
intent to block a piece of rock being thrown at it basically. So it doesn't work as well
in the 40th millennium. Orcs are the true masters there, isn't it? Orcs just win because of how dumb
it is. Speaking of dumb and stupid, we have the, if someone's favorite legions. I like the iron
warriors. Not my favorite, but I like them. Well, we are speaking of the last one, the iron warriors,
which are the fourth Legion. And they were birthed again in the gene lamps of terror.
They were recruited from the warlike gun tribes or the blood Reavers, the tech enclaves, as they
were called at the time. And this sort of infused with the early legions like culture, they had a
little bit more of like, you know, a little bit of bloodiness to them already a little bit war
hungry, but then they had some within the Legion who were quite tech savvy, that's the right word.
And they luckily for the fourth Legion, they benefited from particularly stable gene seed
compared to a lot of the others. So if some people are new to Warhammer, when they make space marines,
sometimes it just even if the gene seed takes and they put in the new organs to the growing recruit,
sometimes it just doesn't straight up work. And the recruit will just basically be like a flopping
mess and it will die. The recruit will go all floppy. Yeah. There's one like the one that's
the Ragnar Blackmane like first book where they just get turned into space marines. And they just
said they're at the dinner table once and one of them space marines goes, what? It's just like,
his face he slumps in his chair and they said, yeah, because the genes he just went wrong.
It's a great noise. And what was his last words?
Great way to go get to
boop. Just like a noise of like trying to hold in a fart like,
okay. And then that's it. That's you done. The one piece is real. He shouted at the height of his
God. I was thinking actually about, you know, the idle on part where he screams
is literally the note from Tenacious D. We are, we are, but men rock that one.
He goes in the film and goes, ah, and then the guy's head explodes. Like, sorry.
If they made a point of saying it was the, you know, that note from initial D all would be
forgiven. True. That would rock anyone's world. But right now it's just known as in law. It's in
law Brown note. Speaking of fourth Legion though. So the gene seed of the fourth Legion was
particularly stable. They even showed a higher adaptability to bionics. They had shared in common
with the 10th Legion. So a lot of times space marines, even though they're wearing like a
ceramic armor, you know, limbs get broken, cut off all the time. So they would off there's like
whole the, basically the mechanic of Mars had like whole fleets of people just with like spare limbs,
essentially ready for them to slap on anytime. And the fourth Legion during the unification wars,
as Eli mentioned earlier, were known for their stubbornness. They would bear through battles
and conflicts all the way to the bitter end, even when they were in the middle of the war.
And even when maybe it didn't make such tactical sense to do so, they seem to have a bit of a
problem with retreating from battle. And this would always like, you know, like you know,
I was saying about like the the Empress children, they're always like, trying to refine their
tactics and change things and do some new ones. I'm always just like, if it ain't broken, don't
fix it. And we don't break. And that was them. Like just throw enough of us at the problem,
we'll sort it out even if it'll go away. They're like meat grinder, basically.
So that for a little bit with the world eaters in common, the word eaters, as someone said,
at the beginning, the word word beated, oh god, the, the, the tactics that they, they somewhat
just use again, again, on terror, they would take to the stars with the launch of the great crusade.
But again, this is where that, as I just said, the tactics kind of hit a fine enough, a dead end,
where all times they didn't adapt to the enemies they were fighting. They were just kind of known
for throwing themselves at people. And so if other Primarchs with their legions who had already been
reunited with their Primarchs were using them in tandem with their legion, they would often just
use them as like the frontline troops. And they had to adapt around them, you know, being their
flankers, being their, you know, espionage or whatever, because the fourth legion are doing
the one thing they do well, and they're not doing anything else. They make one good meal, and that's
it. And there's like some legions really don't like the way they are. I think there's like a bit
with the iron hands with them, like, you're stupid. We're not stupid. You're stupid. We got a Primarch.
They're like, ouch, mean. Like Ferris being like one of the first three, and then it takes ages for
Pertorabo to show up. And they're like, we're cool. We've got iron as well. Speaking of Pertorabo,
though, we would find it would be over a century of war when the fourth legion would finally be
reunited with their Primarch Pertorabo from the planet of Olympia. Now, Olympia is, we're going to
say it now, it's basically discount Greece, essentially. So you could tell from it being
one syllable away from Olympus. Yeah. For Colin, if you want to illuminate people,
which particular time period, obviously, we all know, but just if you are new to Warhammer,
what kind of time periods that history would you say that they are inspired from? I think it's
probably, you know, ancient Greece, you know, the city states, although that also being said,
I don't know what Olympia was like. Was it city states? Yep. City States, pretty much.
Ah, yes. It was the Greek city states. There's a few like Sparta, obviously, Macedon,
Athens, all that kind of stuff. I think ancient Athens sucks. Yeah. Well, we got pro Spartan over
here. They also suck, but Athens really sucked. Epirus. There's a very much a sort of divided
nature of Olympia, which was reunited and, or I say reunited, it was forced together by Perturabo
himself, because there was no choice with Perturabo. And where most reunions of Legion
and Genefather was quite a big momentous moment, such as like Sanguinus and meeting his Legion,
which was like amazing speeches, Fulgrim meeting his sons and again, like, you know,
saying to them, making a vow to them in front of the Emperor, Lionel Johnson kind of treating
his Legion is, Lionel Johnson doesn't even call them his sons, he calls them his little brothers,
so he treats them like equals. Perturabo did, the fourth Legion did not get the same treatment.
And because Perturabo examined the combat records of his Legion, and he found them wanting, they
they had so many casualties due to obviously the way they battled in, across the Great Crusade.
And he decided there needs to be like a rebirth and a culling of this weakness and not say to get
rid of stubbornness, but the stubbornness needed to be reforged into a different thing. And this
brought again, the practice of decimation to the Legion. This was something I think practice in,
I'm not sure if in ancient Greece, but in ancient Rome, do you know Colin? I think it was practiced
by the Romans. Well, I believe it, I believe it was the ancient Romans. It was the process of
getting rid of one out of 10. Yes. So by, literally by lottery, one in every 10 of the Legionaries was
chosen, and he was beaten to death by his own comrades. It wasn't, yeah, it was the Romans,
to keep order in the military. And to, by the way, on that point, can I ask to keep something up?
I've heard so many freaking comments saying, I'll use like decimation as a term, as like a vague term,
and then I'll have someone in my comments going, no decimation is only one in 10. He was like,
no, it's a historical term, and it's also a situational term. It can be used for both.
Stop bullying me in the comments. If Andy, may I speak on your behalf? Well,
how about I'll give my opinion on the matter. I won't speak on your behalf.
The people who say that you are technically correct. Yes, the original meaning of decimation
was by the Romans to have their comrade take out one in 10 of them as a punishment and to keep order.
That being said, if you leave that comment in a comment section, you're a fucking nerd.
That was it. I mean, no correction.
I'm looking at the dictionary definition that says the killing or destruction of a large proportion.
So that's not one in 10. Things also change over time. We are in ancient Rome.
Yeah, and not speaking in a no Latin in these conversations. There's a lot of Latin in
Warhammer. Although, although to be to be fair, the romance languages are technically just bad.
Latin. True. We do speak discount Latin from stuff in Spanish, Italian, French, Romanian,
Germanic. What would you say? Which one? It's too pancreas.
That's the only Italian. That's the only Latin phrase I know apart from like,
that's the only one I think I can. Did you know that Vene Vene Vee Vee cheese
pronounced weenie weenie wee-chee? Because V does not exist in Latin.
That's another thing that if you say weenie weenie wee-chee, I hate you. I don't care that
it sounds pronounced. That sounds like the beginning of Bear With Me Here reference the
vine where it's like in my Valentino white bag. I'm not going to get that joke.
I just like the idea that you can use different accents to be like, if you had scouts like it's
weenie weenie wee-chee. Lucky for them. So sorry, Iron Warriors.
Shout out to this episode of War Crimes for making fun of our audience. I'm a big fan.
I was being bullied and I needed to vent. It's fine.
Oh my goodness. Stop.
Speaking of decimation though, as funny as we will make it out, it was actually pretty
horrible. So a lot of these legionaries, they obviously, you know, some of them were friends,
some of them had fought on terror for the emperor, only to then be killed by their own,
essentially within the ranks because their new Primarch was essentially trying to, in a way,
he was trying to reforge them, but it felt more like a punishment for something which they had
seen as honorable service. So a lot of them were not happy. And this sort of creates a tone and
relationship with the Legion and Primarch where it was no longer father and son, and it was much
more of a you are my general, I am the soldier. So many other legions, they'd love their gene father,
they would literally die for him. Like without a second thought, the Iron Warriors are much more
pragmatic about like, oh, he's my general, so therefore I get in the way of bullets because
it's good for the army, not because I actually like my... Not because he's my father. No, they
don't really call him father much. There is an interesting corollary with them and the Iron
Hands again, because again, Ferris Manus was a taskmaster, but he did actually care about his
sons. So there was that thing with like one degree further into being a taskmaster as you become
Pertharabo, it's like you are just tools. And everyone goofs on like, oh, the Iron Warriors and
Iron Hands are kind of like very similar. But I think like, yeah, with the Iron Warriors in
particular, it's just like whenever you see like the Triox or any of the characters in like a meeting
with Pertharabo, they're like, shoulders straight, you don't say any, no backtalk, you keep your
thoughts to yourself, you don't go over the line even a millimeter because he's not very forgiving
at all. He beat up a lot of his sons, us for sure. He did. He would... And then killed the rest.
He would often dish out punishment himself. And there's also, it might be a funny, I think I've
mentioned it in a previous episode before, but there's a funny moment where Ferris is talking
about when he was conversing with Pertharabo. And they're very pragmatic, they're getting,
they do get along decently well as in like, you know, we're getting the thing done. But then
Pertharabo asks him in like an offhanded comment, how is it that you and Fulgrim are friends? And
it's the only time apparently Ferris ever smiled in front of him. Because he's like, because
Pertharabo just wouldn't get it because he just doesn't really, he has soldiers, he has battle
comrades that don't have friends in him or his Legion really. And then Ferris was like, yeah,
your friends with Magnus, so I'm still winning. He's like, oh! He does have a good friend. He
does, yeah. Having said that, he does have a good relationship, they do have a semi-good relationship
with the Thousand Sons Legion. I think that's probably mostly from a side of like intellectual
commonality. So he, like Pertharabo and the Iron Warriors greatly respect the Thousand Sons,
again, for them being involved in siege craft and technology. The Iron Warriors have a big
emphasis on understanding technology, not using it to the same degree as Iron Hand. They're like
exclusively alien to one another, but they respect that they are like the best at what they do to an
extent. They're like, oh, you're amazing with like gadgets and gizmos. And then you're amazing at
like, whatever that swirly-whirly thing is that you've conjured. Like, that's cool. Cool. I have
no idea how you're doing it. But it's cool. But speaking of something iconic that would happen
with the Legion, they would also gain their iconic phrase, iron within, iron without, which is a
mantra they have to roar in battle, but also live by. It's a kind of philosophy. And I'll ask Colin
here for the next quote. It should be in the sidebar chat. And this is called the Unbreakable
Litany, which is said throughout the Legion, if you can see it there. I can. I'd be happy to read
it out. Iron Warriors quote, from iron cometh strength, from strength cometh will, from will
cometh faith, from faith cometh honor, from honor cometh iron. This is the Unbreakable Litany, and
may it forever be so. So they always find like a circular way to come back to iron, basically the
iron within themselves. They bring that strength. That's where one like the quotes and what how
that does go pretty hard, I would say. I was like, if I didn't shout that as well. I will say though,
that's a lot of cometh. There's a lot of cometh in that quote. I think that this is further proof
that that whole, uh, Cods are not real thing is a load of malarkey. The emperor's pushing.
He has faith in everything he has. Stop being surprised. People turn religious.
Well, you do it. You can have, you can have faith in things which are not necessarily religious.
I have faith that my delivery driver will come. He's delivering my pizza.
You can, but I think in the context of this, yeah.
I like that idea that you're your example, how that when you get, you're like praise be to pizza
hut. When you get it. Well, I know it's coming, but I'm not exactly, I'm not putting my hands
together and worshiping the pizza gods. Although maybe we all should cause that's divine. Um,
they've bestowed an extra garlic dip. Praise be. I praise be to him because Lord knows you cannot
pizza the hut. Oh, it's real. I'm like extra garlic dip for free. I'm not gonna lie, bro. That's,
you're saying some very, very, that's essential things. You know, I mean, miracles happen.
Pizza, pizza, hot garlic bread is defined. It's just what I feel it doing to my arteries with
every bite less. Speaking of things that aren't so divine, uh, Pertorabo and the iron warriors,
um, with the now Primark at the helm of the Legion, they will be swelled with recruits from Olympia.
This would immediately overtake the culture of the Legion so that even their armor,
their arms, it would all take on a more Greco Roman feel much more heavy on the, uh, Greco
inspiration there. Obviously Olympia basically being, um, essentially ancient Greece with the
warring States. And the Legion would also shift in a way where they, where they would embrace their
greatest strength, which was siege warfare, also partly interacting with technology as I said,
as I said before, but instead of being stubborn in terms of, they won't change their tactics,
they become flexible in a very strange way in which is how the, uh, flow of siege warfare works.
So they get very, very good at basically any fortification. They are pretty much the best
Legion out there to either defend it or take on maybe not to create fortifications because that's
a contentious part with the Imperial fists, but the iron warriors do, they start to specialize many
other Legions in their own style of combat, such as Empress children being dualists and generally
quite good up close in certain regards. The dark angels being very adaptive and obviously having
lots of varied technology and varied wings of the Legion, iron warriors, siege craft. And as the
Legion left the skies of Olympia, they'd be, they'll be confronted by a spacefaring advanced
human culture called the black judges, which as Percival Robert had grown up on Olympia,
he had heard many times as like a terrifying myth, a kind of like a boogeyman thing that would come
for them. And they would actually discover these were ancient humans that would harvest
other humans from different planets. And then they would turn them into like a kind of
serum biomass thing that prolonged their lives. And it was a first like Legion victory where
Perturabu had like shifted the fourth Legion into his own or made it into the image that he wanted
it to be. And it would now start the path of like their numerous successes during the Great
Crusade. And such was even the reputation they'd gained very early on from then, they would, as
Eli mentioned earlier, they would be thrown into like the worst conflicts the Crusade had to offer.
Many other things like the army, Imperial army and other Legions, they didn't really enjoy fighting
or they were dread fighting beside the iron warriors because they knew it'd be essentially
a very grinding, a brutal fight. Because yeah, they're like, oh, we're going to so and so. Oh,
that sounds nice. Oh, the view screens. Oh, it looks like a nice planet. Who we fighting with?
The fourth. Yeah, that sucks. Goodbye, father. Goodbye, mother. In fact, I think some even
Imperial, some Imperial army regiments even would straight up refuse. They would have to send like
penal colony troops to basically be cannon fodder. I'm going to go fight alongside the Night Lords
rather than these guys. I mean, if you're fighting alongside the Night Lords, that's probably not as
bad because they just, they'd be horrible. Dealing someone like, Oh, you wouldn't sleep well, but
at least you'd be alive to sleep. You know what I mean? Different, I swear enough, different strokes
of different folks. I probably still have to fight alongside them to the thousand suns.
True. At least my soul wouldn't evaporate because they, their little work spirit ran out of juice
and I happened to be nearby. It reminds me of, you know, that meme where it's like just a random
video of like a cooking thing and then like randomly Queen Elizabeth like fades in the middle
of the cut for some reason. And then it's like, it's actually kind of like dissipates like, and
then it's just back to the cooking video. Very weird reference. Where do you get these memes?
I never seen that. I will show it to people and it'll some people will listen. We'll understand
what I'm talking about. There'll be a random cooking video and then like very quickly edited.
And then like the Queen will like very crappily PowerPoint fade away in like a weird cut in the
middle of it. Yes. Very sad. Yes. Sounds in the culture. But the Legion, the Legion would start
to over the decades of the great crusade, they would resent being thrown into this, like the
hardest situations. They wouldn't, there was no respite for the Legion against like some of brutal
conflicts. And then they would turn to see other legions such as Dawn's sanguineous or Horus's
legions. And they would be showered with accolades praise. They would be given, you know, rewards
technology. Meanwhile, the fourth Legion had fought just as hard, if not harder. And yet they
would still in a way like many, many knew the great crusade wouldn't last for a long time. It
would be over it in a few short centuries. You know, their time. Why you want to, you want to
repeat that phrase one more time? Well, when you're speaking about space, you don't really age,
you know, I mean, they didn't consider it that long. And they thought so a lot of the time they
were hunting for glory, many of the legions, and men and women were trying to get all their accolades
and you know, all the honors done before the crusade would end, particularly towards the end,
because there was a sense that they knew the Imperium was almost at the edges of the galaxy.
And so the fourth of quite resentful of the fact that they were not lord in the same way when they
fought just as hard again, if not harder. In fact, much of the Legion became garrison forces across
Imperial worlds due to their expertise in like siege crafts. So they like the Imperial Fists
would build fortifications in many different places. But they wouldn't again, they wouldn't be
given the honor such as the Imperial Fists of building the Imperial Palace defenses, which were,
you know, again, they say they they would know siege, siege craft better than anyone surely. So
again, another slight somewhat. This poor, poor Captain Hercules is being stationed at like the
equivalent of like the Imperial World post office of sector 9,642. Like, oh, what am I going to do
for the next 10, 10, 20 years? It's gonna like sit here, make sure like nothing goes wrong.
Gaze on the check the pipes. So there's no leaks. Is that it? Yeah. No more pipes. No, no more
fights. But saying that though, the the Legion itself did have some uniqueness that it developed
within most other legions. So they had the rank of warsmiths, which were kind of in a way like
a bit more independent than compared to some of their equivalents and other legions like captains.
And the Pertorabo made sure that the fourth legion could in a way if it had to operate without a
Primarch. So they similar to how they had done before, but they would operate still within
decent strength. And it would all slightly come apart the scenes, a lot of the things would build
up for the fourth legion, especially as we get to the excuse me here, the sack Tradar deep campaign,
which is actually one of the very few defeats the legion would face, and it'd be a massive stain to
their honor. This was a garrison force led by Barabas Dantioke shout out to the artwork I had
made of this. I actually had two pieces of artwork made for this one's very cool. They were attacked
by the Xenos known as the Hrud, which, by the way, had not actually been there was no official like
artwork for everyone tries to look up her odd, they kind of look like very straight at clothed
creatures. They actually have very strange archaic guns, which are like almost like slightly scaveny
muskets, which is I think they were originally meant to be scaveny s, and they kind of move
them a bit more to like Maccati writhing things. And the problem with the Hrud is being in proximity
to them, things start to rapidly age. And I mean, like, to a scary degree. So the mortal men
alongside Barabas Dantioke and his men, they would die of old age, and even the walls of the fortress
they were in started to wither and like crack, and even the Legion is inside their own armor.
So no one knew how long a space marine could live. But it was supposedly kind of worked out
because of the fact that Barabas Dantioke had literally aged millennia inside his own arm and
his arm would rust apart. And it was only when a guard's man who's just like spent loads of money
to get like a banana shipped, he's like, ah, treats, it's not corpse, so I should get a banana,
this would be great. And then like, as soon as the Hrud appears, like, he just unwraps it and it
instantly becomes mushy. And he's like, 700 years old now. And then he just goes into a pile of ash,
the poor guy, poor dudes. But Persh Rabo did come and he eventually returned like with more troops
and they helped repel the Hrud even Perturabo supposedly suffered some of the aging process and
he apparently a like millennia, even though he kind of only looked a little bit older.
He got one gray hair and he's like, what's this?
He went he received like a full on brutal attack of it as well, that their weapons also aged. But in
the wake of this conflict, the Legion received news that their homeworld of Olympia had rebelled.
So this was another shame on top of the previous failure of not securing the garrison at the
Sakurai Drah deep campaign. And the world of Olympia now, even though it had been transformed
by the Imperium, it had been drained of men and resources. Again, the iron warriors had seen so
much brutal conflict that so many of them had like, they needed to recruit so many because
obviously their attrition rates are pretty high. And I think there's a part where like in the books,
I think it's to maybe not remembrances. I think it might be remembrances. And they actually have
like, you've got like a VR headset on Olympia just to see what some of the battles were like
of Perturabo. And there's a bit where one of them puts on and he just gets immediately sick. It's
like an overwhelming tide like gunfire and iron wars like missing limbs and fighting on it's like
insane just to see how they basically fought. And now back above the skies of Olympia, Perturabo
was pissed. He was incredibly annoyed, not even covering it, if I'm honest, he was just
swelled with anger. And the people of Olympia try to try to negotiate with him because obviously
their world's basically falling apart now, in terms like society wise. But Perturabo didn't
want to hear it. And he ordered decimation upon his own home world. And this was something the
Legion, many of them were still obviously, there were some who were still Terrans, but many of them
now were very much from Olympia, they grown up here. And so many of them actually struggled to even
carry out this order. Some of them even refused, like saying, there's a scene where one of them
says, I grew up in a home like this, what are we doing? And some of them, again, this would leave
lead to another small culling of their ranks as those, you know, not strong enough to carry out
the order. And Perturabo is something that's not not unheard of in other legions, like with Nostralmo,
with some of the Nightlords, like, I don't want to see this happen. They get killed. So yeah,
some Mastatis when they're like, I come from here, they get a bit defensive about you blowing up
their homes, you know, just saying, just a little bit. What cowards am I right? Yo,
where's the loyalty? But Perturabo eventually would confront his adopted sister Calipho,
the now very ancient, one who'd left in charge of Olympia back in when he left for the Great Crusade.
And he basically choked her to death, the old lady, very sad. And this is actually the point
where he realizes what he's been, what he's done. And he went too far. And he starts to
weep like Perturabo full on, like he's never cried in his life. And he starts to weep because he's
he's killed his family and his homeworld is like burning around him. Okay, sorry, Colin,
you say something? His singular moment of self reflection, I missed a sea of man child behavior.
Pretty much. But then this Olympia has basically been decimated. So a portion of the population
has been, you know, they're basically cold, they've been as an anger has been taken out on them,
because they didn't in from Perturabo's perspective, Olympia didn't know how good they had it compared
to so many other worlds where he's seen, you know, they've seen the very worst the galaxy had to
offer. So he's like, what do you mean? Why are you complaining? It's like the rich kid saying,
I'm having a difficult time because my Ferrari's, you know, not the right color. And Perturabo is
going, you bought, you know, I mean, like my whole family is not well, what are you talking about?
Ferrari's in the shop, I have to use the Mercedes like a peasant.
And that's what that's what it sounds like to his ears. Obviously, they had real concerns. But the
fourth legion and Primarch were waiting to hear censure now because they realized they'd probably
gone too far. But they were met with complete silence. No censure came from the Emperor.
Perturabo thought the Emperor will he'll never forgive me for what I've done to my own home.
The Emperor didn't say a thing. There was absolutely silence again, reinforcing the fact
that the fourth legion was simply not even acknowledged, which then sort of turned into,
again, anger, resentment, because it is literally like he's screaming, feel like a kid,
Dad, notice me, even though the fourth legion in a way for the same that, you know, please,
Dad, notice me, but it is reinforced, it's reinforced their resentment to the Emperor
and the great crusade, which so many had died for. And it would be in this position now that
a certain war master Horace would come to them, and he would exploit this sort of sense of,
you know, resentment towards the Emperor and the Imperium that didn't care about them. And that
I have, I have read some I can't find the source, but I'm pretty sure I've heard that there is a
there is possibly a hint somewhere that Horace was the one who kind of kicked off Spark of Rebellion
on Olympia to turn Pertorabo on his side. And I'm not sure.
It's possible. When I read the Primarch book of Pertorabo, it's generally implied that this
thing had been building for all, like, basically since the start, essentially.
I know his foster father is like still in charge when he leaves and he's like,
Oh, I don't want to like be in charge of the tyrant of Locos.
Yeah, Locos. That's the one he had. He's dead at this point. He died during the Great Crusade.
But essentially, Olympia was not Olympia was made to comply. And it wasn't like many other
primaries like Fulgrim. Fulgrim brought his world together through diplomacy. Fulgrim didn't even
have to fight. Pertorabo had conquered his world through force. And many of the, you know,
fourth legion, many of the Olympian in the fourth legion had only known an existence like that of
just, you know, you make might makes right essentially. And that, my brothers, is the
end of the first three legions during the Great Crusade. Obviously, the Horus Heresy
for each of those legions starts immediately after that. Is there any questions or thoughts
about any of the legions or some of the lore we've covered here?
Here's one of all the ones we've mentioned today, which is your favorite? I know that I know what
Eli's going to say for sure. I guess we'll go we'll go or is there Colin, do you want to say
who's your favorite? No, no, I it's not the Dark Angels. I don't dislike the Dark Angels.
I rate them a six out of 10. They're there. I'm pretty content. I have no interest in learning
more about them, but I'm happy they exist and Deathwing is fun. So, you know, I do actually I
do like the Emperor's children. I like their fall. It's a very, very tragic. They were one of the few
legions who weren't just pricks. I actually do also like the Iron Warriors. I I can't even muster
the energy to say I hate Perderabo. I'm disappointed in everything about Perderabo.
Little bit like when your parents say they're not mad, they're just disappointed. That's what I feel
every time I think about Perderabo. I'm disappointed. You look at them like you look at the Iron Warriors,
like they're a good friend of yours. And then you see their dad like drunkenly shouting in the
living room. He's a really cool guy. But his dad is such an idiot. Yeah, it's got a problem.
I think I'll give it to Iron Warriors as the Legion, because although I do also quite like
the Emperor's children, they joined Slaanesh. Spoiler alert, sorry. And I can't I cannot abide
that. She who thirsts must be must be defeated. Like you, Eli. He's your favorite.
We know, we know. He's the Emperor's children.
He's in the internet.
Except for me.
Well, you. I do like me dark angels. I've got to be honest. I like I like the the King Arthur
aesthetic. I like Knightly Order stuff and I like that books. I don't like the lion.
They do have they do have unbelievable drip. They really do. Especially Warhammer Art.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
Bring back old Warhammer Art guy. I don't remember his name. He's just hired. But.
John Blanche. Yeah.
When Warhammer looks cool. Bring back whoever made the elder look like a packet of skittles
coming to King Arthur.
I would say I think. I remember his legions is not off the Primark, but I will say the.
It's difficult because the Emperor's children have like the better earlier heart, you know,
like as long as I know in the first half, they had me. Emperor's children have probably the
better first half. But I think the I have the better first half. I think the I have the
better first half. But I think the Iron Warriors kind of slightly sneak up into first position
for me just because they they just get such like they just they don't have a win. You
know, I mean, they just they endure it like so much misery the entire time.
Like, yeah, like they're like, oh, maybe our dad will be cool. Oh, no.
Maybe maybe things will be better soon. Oh, no, it's the heresy.
Oh, maybe we'll have the oh, no, we've lost the war.
Oh, that's why I like the Iron Warriors and not their dad because they're just constantly like,
I'm just I'm trying. I'm not giving up. I'm trying until like the biggest daddy issues and
they are the worst time of any until like after the heresy. They're like,
that's when they're finally I give up. I'm just going to be the worst on purpose now.
They're like, I'm moving out. I'm making my own way. I'm going to get my own place. You'll see.
I'll be successful. They do have the better the better catchphrases, you know, I mean, as well.
I know that is the most metal, you know, and also the unbreakable listening is still
I wouldn't say the Emperor's Children or Dark Angels have better things to show in dark.
I'm just silent. I mean, they're for children to shout for the emperor, but it's slightly mean
something because like for daddy or something. But I think, yeah, Iron Wars got the better overall
and Emperor's Children better aesthetic. I'd I'd say just like from like their
horrors, heresy stuff, I think, because I don't think the modern,
like the 40k Emperor's Children have got they look a bit.
It's a real trip. No, I mean, modern dark angels, I think I'd say the best modern drip,
especially the line. You have a fair decent war cry repent for tomorrow you die. That's a cool one.
It's pretty good. I think I just think there's too many words in it. It's maybe not too many,
but it's definitely approaching the upper limit of like, hey, you got to stop. We're trying to
convey a complex thought and then about when you need a short when you go for the lion, you're done.
Yeah, see that for the axe is always great. Or just repent one is when you're like on the
boarding torpedo and you're like just sending a transmission like you wake up, you better be ready
to repent tomorrow you die. How long has this thing got to go 10 minutes, 10 minutes, we're
going to wreck you by that repent tomorrow you die is great for like, like you said, as you're
entering the battle, not when you're on the battlefield and mid charge, then you just sound
like you need to practice your writing skills. I mean, the best one is Dredgen on Kiliman.
Oh, my favorite still grim gore iron hide. He just shouts shame, say my name, say my name.
That's pretty bad. See spreads dwarfs across the mountain. It needs to be a crossover meme with
the breaking bad. I was like, say my name. And go. God damn right.
With that being said, though, that was part two of the great crusade. Next time we should be doing
the next three legions. So I'm guessing that will be Imperial Fists.
Who's like scars and space wolves? Yes, that'll be those three. I mean, that'll be a pretty,
I think we've all got our favorite already before that's even started. But
I'm well, I hope that that'll be quite a fun one. Because I think that happens. There's quite a lot
that happens to especially the White Scars with all their really good books. So we'll get into
that one. With that being said, though, thank you guys so much for listening for watching.
Hope you guys all enjoyed this one's quite information dense this one, but we hopefully
covered some very cool stuff. And we'll catch you all on the next one. Peace.
Take care, everyone. Have a good one.