1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,320 Thank you for joining me for another episode of YQG In Bloom. 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:12,920 My name is Tracy Martens and today I'm so excited to sit down with my next guest and 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:19,680 talk about an upcoming project that he wrote and directed and at the end of this TV series 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,800 you might have a chance of winning $100,000. 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,640 I've got to look at this. 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:31,320 He is a film director, a screenwriter, editor, producer, and music video director, Gavin 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:32,320 Michael Booth. 8 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:33,320 Hi. 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,320 Hello. 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,320 It's so nice to see you. 11 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,320 Yeah, good to be here. 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:42,640 And I forgot he is also an actor because he was in Vampires Zombies from Space. 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,960 Oh my God, I love that show. 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,520 That movie turned out phenomenal. 15 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:48,200 I mean, they're just all friends of mine. 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,320 So I would have, you know, it was sort of a hey, can you come in and came here with 17 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,720 tomorrow, be clean, shave in and that was sort of the details. 18 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,080 I didn't know what I was signing up for, but... 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:57,080 There are such good gifts. 20 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Yeah, it was so much fun. 21 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,280 And seeing the premiere, like everybody should see Vampires Zombies from Space whenever it's 22 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,280 publicly available. 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,840 It is so good and yeah, they blew me away. 24 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,640 I'm seeing it at a festival in Wisconsin that I happen to be at coming up too, so I can't 25 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:12,640 wait to see it again. 26 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,040 And then it's in Toronto at the Canadian Film Festival. 27 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,040 I didn't know that got announced. 28 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:17,040 Yeah, it was great. 29 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,640 It was on Facebook today. 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,240 Yeah, that's a really, really good festival. 31 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,320 I'm super happy they're there. 32 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:23,920 Oh, they're amazing. 33 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:24,920 And so are you. 34 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,760 You have your hand in a little bit of everything. 35 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:33,680 Do you have a favorite part of behind the screens? 36 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,680 Writing. 37 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:35,680 Writing? 38 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,440 That's all I wanted to do was be a screenwriter. 39 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,760 But you know, starting my career 20 years ago in Windsor, there wasn't Facebook, there 40 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,720 wasn't, you know, there wasn't even my space. 41 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:49,880 You couldn't just post somewhere and say, hey, anyone else at Windsor want to make movies? 42 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,680 So I just sort of learned. 43 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,880 I had been doing videography in high school and editing little silly short films with 44 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,560 my neighbors and things like that. 45 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,800 But it was, I always wanted to be a creative writer and then fell in love with screenwriting. 46 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,960 But they're just, I just learned everything else out of the necessity of like, if I'm 47 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,800 going to see any of these scripts turned into anything, I guess I'll do it. 48 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:10,800 Yeah. 49 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:11,800 Yeah. 50 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,920 Partly not understanding like, I could just find other people to do the other roles, you 51 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,760 know, but then kind of fell in love with all of that, you know, but writing and editing, 52 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:25,360 I think are probably my favorites because when you're writing, there's no wrong answer, 53 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,360 right answer. 54 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:27,360 You have creative freedom. 55 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,880 You don't have to worry about budget or schedule or time and it's somebody going to like this 56 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,240 enough to fund it. 57 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,880 And then once you get through production, which is always a slog and that's where everything 58 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,120 can go wrong and you've got to compromise constantly and try to try to compromise in 59 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,720 a way that doesn't ruin the creative integrity of what you're doing. 60 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,760 And then when you get to editing, you're like, okay, well, these are now the building blocks 61 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,320 that I'm stuck with. 62 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,840 So now I have to figure out how to have freedom again to reinvent and I often find that my 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,000 projects, ones that come out of editing have shifted quite a bit from how they were originally 64 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,000 stated in the script, what was shot on set and just finding a new layer or a new life 65 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,600 to them through just constantly rearranging. 66 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:12,840 It is fascinating what I've learned, like even watching my husband edit a three camera 67 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:18,400 podcast and it's like, there's no way in hell I could do it because I have, I really do 68 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:23,960 have OCD and it is so bad that I would take me days to do one little thing. 69 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,360 So I leave it to him. 70 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,000 The trick is to have deadlines because that, you know, we have a new trailer premiering 71 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:30,440 in a couple of days. 72 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,600 And today I'm still sending out just little five second clips of people being like, Hey, 73 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,120 I'm thinking about this sound effect instead of this one and this one, you know, just like, 74 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,840 I will just keep tweaking the thing until somebody rips it from my hand. 75 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,400 So deadlines are key or I would never finish anything. 76 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:49,920 Like I said, learning little things, even watching some practices of behind the scenes 77 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,240 for the play, the price of freedom. 78 00:03:53,240 --> 00:04:01,040 And I just took a workshop on a screenwriting and it's like, subtext, subtext unless you're 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,280 a hallmark movie, then you have zero subtext. 80 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,960 I love the hallmark movies, the cheese, my wife, Axon, I can't complain. 81 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:08,960 She does. 82 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:09,960 I didn't know that. 83 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,960 I don't know. 84 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Yeah. 85 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:12,960 More lifetime. 86 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,480 She's usually more the dark, mysterious characters. 87 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:15,480 Yeah. 88 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:16,480 Yeah. 89 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,480 She's a lot of stuff as well. 90 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,240 She's she's had a good couple of years. 91 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:20,240 Yes, she has. 92 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:25,960 And in case you're wondering, we're talking about Sarah Booth and she, I have yet to meet 93 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,760 her, but I do love her stuff. 94 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,920 I saw her in a couple of the TV shows that she's been on. 95 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:39,920 I mean, yeah, she's done stuff for Netflix and Prime and CBC and Fox. 96 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,560 And so you two are busy. 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,440 She's on a new show next week called Doc. 98 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:46,640 It's a new medical show on Fox. 99 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,920 She'll be on Tuesday, the guest next week. 100 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,920 Wow. 101 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,400 So do you guys ever see each other? 102 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Yeah. 103 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,200 It's a one, because you know, the myth is a busy actor, a busy filmmaker is just constantly 104 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,200 busy. 105 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,120 It's like, no, there can be very long, slow periods like between those. 106 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,360 Oh, no, but at least I can always be editing something else or writing the next thing. 107 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,200 You know, you can you can use your time wisely. 108 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,640 I hear you because I'm the type that I don't like sitting because if I sit down, then I 109 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:12,640 feel guilty. 110 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,800 I should be doing something else. 111 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:21,480 So I was looking again on your IMDB, which you have done a ton of stuff and you seem 112 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:27,680 to resonate toward the thriller horror type genre. 113 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,800 It's probably 50% of what I do. 114 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:30,800 Yeah. 115 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:36,680 Now what makes that different from like, is it harder to edit and direct them right? 116 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,120 It's typically easier to find funding for like, you know, horror and thriller sort of 117 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:47,320 a proven genre that don't always need massive star power behind it to make it happen. 118 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:54,360 I don't think that any, any one genre is particularly more difficult to edit than any other difficulty 119 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,360 in horror. 120 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Sometimes the practical effects can take a long time and just properly allowing budget 121 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,160 and prep time and everything to make that happen. 122 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,520 But I've been, I can't think of any standout example. 123 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:07,880 We did a project for Blumhouse. 124 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,560 It was the world's first live movie that like something nobody else had ever done before. 125 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:17,320 So that was nerve wracking in terms of like, when we like start the production and the 126 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,680 world's watching, there is zero going back. 127 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,840 There's no room to stop or start. 128 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,760 And if a camera stops working or battery dies or something happens, we're really boned, 129 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:28,760 you know? 130 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:29,760 Oh gosh. 131 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,760 Way too nerve wracking. 132 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,760 It's like theater without any, without any scene changes or intermissions. 133 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,760 Oh. 134 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:37,400 It's like nerves gray hair, for sure. 135 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Yeah. 136 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:42,360 Our film, Last Call, I always joke that because we did that movie in a true single take. 137 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,160 So when we yelled action, there's no cuts until the end of the movie. 138 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,680 And that, I had zero gray hairs before we started that movie. 139 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,200 And it's just, it's funny too, because some, some will hide cuts and some, some do it true. 140 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,200 We did the true version, but now it's funny because most people are going to watch it on 141 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,360 a platform like Tubi that inserts commercials. 142 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,280 So we're like, why did we go through all of that? 143 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:07,000 If there's just going to be commercial breaks anyways, but say love you. 144 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,840 Yeah, it is what it is. 145 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:10,800 Now do you still do music videos? 146 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:11,800 I do. 147 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,840 Not, not as much as I would like to. 148 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Mostly just kind of like for friends or artists that I've been collaborating with for a long 149 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:20,800 time. 150 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,880 Just recently released two for Billy Rufool, you know, Leamington native and now international 151 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:26,880 superstar. 152 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,240 And we, we have a third one coming up together. 153 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,040 And there's a band late nineties, rock band, third eye blind that I've worked. 154 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Yeah. 155 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,640 I've worked on and off with them for years and I'm sure there'll be more videos in the 156 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,680 future and I just wanted to scare her recently. 157 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Yeah. 158 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,040 You know, I was, I was a big fan of theirs before I started working with them. 159 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,880 And that's been kind of a huge joy to just over 20 years do. 160 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:52,760 So when he kind of just popping out there, their guitarist, Chris Reed is also a brilliant 161 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:53,960 filmmaker and animator. 162 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,640 So he's also able to create a lot of the content for the band. 163 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:02,840 So to even still have a seat at the table or get invited is super fun. 164 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:03,840 It sounds it. 165 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:10,040 Now, is all your work in the Windsor, our six County area, or do you travel all over 166 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,480 kind of, kind of all over. 167 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,600 Like I've always tried to bring projects back here. 168 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,400 I live in Toronto for a couple of years, lived full time in Los Angeles for six or seven 169 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:24,880 years and back and forth between Windsor and Los Angeles pretty much even every year 170 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,560 right now. 171 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:32,760 But even finding work in Los Angeles, I try to bring it back here when possible because 172 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,440 I just know how to like stretch a dollar a bit better here. 173 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,840 It's just the, the, the regulations and you know, there's not really film permits here 174 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,000 and things as much easier to kind of, and any city that you grew up in is a lot more 175 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:46,600 like, Oh, I know exactly who to call. 176 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:47,600 We need a tractor. 177 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:48,600 Got it. 178 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:49,600 I'll have that tomorrow. 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,600 We need a winery. 180 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,600 Got it. 181 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,600 We'll be there this afternoon. 182 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,880 Other cities that you don't know people that's, that's just more difficult unless you have 183 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,800 a local producer or, or location scout doing that. 184 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:05,280 Film crusher, the TV series coming out soon, we shot the majority of it in Worcester, Massachusetts 185 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,440 and a few days in Los Angeles because we had an original song written for the, for the 186 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:15,040 movie and the producer that was recording the song and it's our actress that sings the 187 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,040 song. 188 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,240 So Brittany was going to sing it in LA. 189 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,720 I was like, well, we got to go to LA to film that and work it into the show somehow. 190 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,040 So just kind of go where the work is or if I were with something that took place in the 191 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,680 desert, not, not doing that in Windsor, you know, for sure. 192 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:36,200 So, let's talk about this TV series and Dream Crusher, but it's actually called Reward. 193 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,200 Yeah. 194 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,920 So if you think Reward is sort of the, the brand title of the series, if you think of 195 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,280 like an American horror story where every season they had a difference, there's, there's 196 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,760 hotel and there's My Roanoke Nightmare and there, and there's the, I forget what the 197 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,360 witches will coven. 198 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,360 You know, there's, there's the subtitle because it's an anthology series. 199 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:59,320 The intention of Reward is that season two will be a standalone story from season one. 200 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,880 But it'll have a different title. 201 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,720 Season three will have a different title, different cast and everything, but Reward 202 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,720 is the, is the simple, easy to remember brand name. 203 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Now, this is on a new streaming platform that's just starting. 204 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,920 Which is called Reveal, which is R-E-V-E-E-L. 205 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,760 It's been around for about three or four years. 206 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,960 They're doing a really great job of curating independent film, web series, documentaries. 207 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,320 They're sort of like on their path to becoming the independent version of Netflix where, 208 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:29,560 indie filmmakers can thrive. 209 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:31,760 And this is their first original narrative series. 210 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,760 So this is their big push into trying to engage audiences in a new way and just, just say, 211 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,160 hey world, we're, we're here. 212 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,480 You should be part of what we're doing. 213 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Now how do you win the money in Dream Crusher? 214 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:48,960 So yeah, so the idea is in Dream Crusher, it's, it's about a pop star that's been murdered 215 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,760 and you're trying, at home, it's, the show is mildly interactive. 216 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,920 You could just sit and passively watch the seven episodes and enjoy it as a regular series. 217 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:04,800 But what's the most interesting to me about the reward concept that the executive producer 218 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:11,560 William Chevry had is to make it partially interactive, meaning that at home, as a viewer, 219 00:11:11,560 --> 00:11:14,160 there are clues hidden inside of every episode. 220 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,800 And there's a bit of an online real world scavenger hunt where we give you the hints and you have 221 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,560 to go out and find, maybe there's a clue buried over here on Reddit. 222 00:11:23,560 --> 00:11:26,280 Maybe there's something here in the real world. 223 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,720 Maybe there's a social media post you're supposed to be paying attention to and that, that will 224 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,480 help you solve the case. 225 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,800 So you could maybe do it if you're really keen on murder mysteries just by watching the show, 226 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:41,560 but we're giving people this advantage to, to have more and it's sort of like a cross-platform 227 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:42,560 storytelling. 228 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:45,720 Again, you can watch the series and not miss anything, but you're going to get a lot more 229 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,920 enjoyment out of the characters and, and the world that we've built by doing the interactive 230 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,000 portion. 231 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 And then there's, there's an app and a website that you, you sign up as a detective. 232 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,080 It's reward series.tv. 233 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,320 People can sign up right up until episode six is airing. 234 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,200 So the second last episode, you can catch up all the way to there, but the idea is you 235 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,680 go in and you, you enter your answers each week and it just kind of keeps tallying a 236 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:10,000 score behind the scenes. 237 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,280 And at the end of it, you have to correctly, you know, like clue, you got to, you got to 238 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,040 guess who, what, when, where, why kind of thing. 239 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:21,600 And then you also is based on the amount of points of how well you played the detective, 240 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,360 you know, hunt online and prove that you were the best detective. 241 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,280 Oh, that sounds like a lot of fun. 242 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,600 It's been a lot of fun to develop. 243 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:33,960 Because nothing worse than I'm the type that I always usually figure it out. 244 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,680 So this is going to be something that, you know, you're not going to be able to figure 245 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:39,680 out the first. 246 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:44,000 Let's, let's hope I've written something that that's not, not obvious from the, from 247 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,000 the get go. 248 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,560 I think I've got enough twists and turns along the way. 249 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:50,040 How long did it take you to write? 250 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,040 Not overly long. 251 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:58,200 At least in terms of outlining the idea, I'll just sort of use every second I'm given until, 252 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,200 until it's time. 253 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,480 We were, we ended up pushing back production from our original day, just, just with, you 254 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,480 know, typical headaches and things that happen all the time. 255 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,080 But we, you know, so in there, I'm still, I'm still writing, I'm still tweaking and 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,440 even the editing, there's still some things where I'm like, Oh, it'd be really great if 257 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,400 I had this like voicemail from this actor. 258 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,280 So I'm just going to get the actor to record it at home and send it in. 259 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,800 So I'm still kind of like writing in the edit process. 260 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,320 Oh my goodness. 261 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,600 Again, until they, until they tear it out of my hands. 262 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,400 Now, how many have you filmed so far? 263 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,400 How many? 264 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,960 So we shot, basically we have, all that we have left is a little bit of pickups, which 265 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,880 is just a day or two of little scenes that we always knew we were going to shoot later. 266 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,560 We just wanted to get the bones of the series edited and then decide for one, for sure, 267 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:45,480 if we need these elements before we spend money and time making them. 268 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:49,400 And, and just to make sure that when we do them, they're going to, because of the interactive 269 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:53,720 nature of it, there's, there's more stuff we have to film that goes outside of the series 270 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:54,720 as well. 271 00:13:54,720 --> 00:14:00,440 So it's a little more complicated than a normal, normal shoot, but it's 90, 95% shot, 90% 272 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,440 shot. 273 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,440 Oh my goodness. 274 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,440 And how many episodes will it be? 275 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:04,440 Seven episodes. 276 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:05,440 Seven. 277 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,360 And you, I know I saw you on the Dan McDonald show that there was a second season. 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,360 You already planned? 279 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:13,360 That's the plan. 280 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Yeah. 281 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,720 There's big plans like reward is reveal and reward are going to push, keep pushing forward. 282 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,560 So I've signed on to do more and we're looking at shooting them in Windsor. 283 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:24,920 So I'm sort of the show runner of it. 284 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:30,160 So whether I continue writing and directing every season or just serve as sort of story 285 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,640 consultant and, and, and managing producer for it, I have that option as well. 286 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,000 But we've cooked up a pretty, pretty good thing for, for season two. 287 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Oh yeah. 288 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,000 Any hints? 289 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:44,560 That would, that would make you have an advantage to the, you and your audience would be that 290 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:45,560 much closer to the prize. 291 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:51,480 Oh no, I'm not asking for any of the prizes, but I know it's going to be in Windsor. 292 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,480 Yeah. 293 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Hopefully. 294 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,280 The plans to shoot season two entirely in Windsor, which is super exciting. 295 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,280 That works. 296 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:58,280 I can't wait to see that. 297 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:59,280 That'll be fun. 298 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:00,280 Yeah. 299 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,960 I mean, we'll, we'll have you out for a set visit or maybe you'll have a cameo in there 300 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:03,960 somewhere. 301 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:04,960 So yeah. 302 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,880 Now you have a lot of other shows that are coming out soon as well. 303 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,960 You're like always on the go. 304 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:12,960 Holy cow. 305 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,840 It's the only way to do it because otherwise you end up with these years long gap in, in 306 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:18,240 between projects. 307 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,800 And this is my full time sort of life and career. 308 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:26,040 So I have to, I have to keep swinging from one bind to the next, but I have a film that 309 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:30,920 I directly called Sydney versus Sean that'll be out sometime in the nearest future. 310 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,320 And that's, is a, I call it a romantic, an unromantic comedy, I think. 311 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,880 I don't know if that's a term that other people have, but it's a, it's, it's a, it's 312 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,960 really a dramedy about two people that are getting together to sign their divorce papers 313 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,320 after a year of separation. 314 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,400 And the notary is late show to be there, to be the witness and sign off on it. 315 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,320 So the couple falls into kind of all their, their old trappings and arguments and the 316 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,000 scripts that Ryan Powers wrote, he's the lead actor in it and the writer, it's sort of seamlessly 317 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,800 wheezed between the past and present and has this unique structure that brings the audience 318 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,600 kind of up to speed as to what, what dissolved in this relationship and how it all happened. 319 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,720 And has a lot of interesting twists and turns that I don't think people will see coming. 320 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,800 So it sort of bucks convention a little bit in terms of that, but it starts, Janelle Parish, 321 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:21,000 that if you were a pretty little Liars fan, she was Mona on the series and T.R. 322 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,720 Knight, who's, you know, he's on Flight Attendant right now, but probably is forever remembered 323 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,080 as Giorgio Malley on the Grey's Anatomy in the, in the early cast days. 324 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:36,360 And then Ryan, who writes it and stars has had great roles on She-Hulk and the Mandalorian 325 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,920 and the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and, you know, it's always kind of, yeah, it's always kind 326 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,440 of working his way out there. 327 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,600 So, you know, very, very small cast and crew, but something that we shot in Los Angeles 328 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:51,120 about a year ago and are at the very, very, very final like stages of finishing that one 329 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,120 off. 330 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,960 It seems to take a while between a shoot and when it finally gets released. 331 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,080 You want a little bit of breathing room so that you can just like make an edit, everybody 332 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:06,120 gets to watch it and absorb it, have notes and conversations about ways to kind of keep 333 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:07,120 changing it. 334 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:12,600 But in the indie world, it just, it comes down to, it's the, the, the time quality. 335 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,360 Do you want it good, good, fast and cheap? 336 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:15,800 You can only choose two of those. 337 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,280 So you usually want it good and cheap, so it's not going to be fast. 338 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,200 And that's just part of the indie process. 339 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:26,240 If you don't have the same budget that a Netflix has to just keep throwing money at something 340 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,240 until it's done. 341 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,040 Now, do you prefer working in indie stuff where it gives you a little bit more liberty? 342 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,040 Yeah. 343 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,040 Yeah. 344 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:39,640 Creative control, creative control could have a really bad connotation of like, I'm gonna, 345 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,920 I'm a megalomaniac and I'm gonna like micromanage this thing and like not take anyone's input. 346 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,400 But creative control to me is just important that it doesn't just come down to somebody's 347 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:52,880 like stupid or impulsive decision to like, yeah, we're going to change the ending on 348 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,560 this because, because one person said that they don't like it. 349 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:59,560 I've had entire music videos that have been scrapped by the record label because one or 350 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,520 two people were like, well, I don't like this one thing in it. 351 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,480 And they panic and go, huh. 352 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:08,960 And then the world never gets to see all of those actors and hair and makeup and camera 353 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,240 team and director that put so much time into doing it. 354 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,280 So I just, I guarded a little bit more safely there, but I also believe in my creative instincts 355 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,120 that I would never do something against the interest of the film. 356 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,520 You know, and you see some films where like they could have cut half an hour out of this 357 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,600 easily. 358 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,640 Maybe they should have had a little less creative control, but to me it's more, it's more just 359 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,800 about being able to protect that and have the freedom to explore in the edit where I 360 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:39,240 go like, I think if this scene came before this scene or we, we cut this line off here, 361 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,720 it's gonna have so much more of an emotional impact and not have to necessarily have somebody 362 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,720 who's instantly say, no, you're not doing that. 363 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,080 But that kind of, I don't know. 364 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,880 It's such a weird thing to hire an artist to do something and then try to creatively 365 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,880 stifle them. 366 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,840 It's like, you wouldn't necessarily hire your house painter and then just keep telling them, 367 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,080 no, not that color, not that color, not that color. 368 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,520 It's like, you know, sometimes you just, if you believe in the experts you're working 369 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,200 with, you're gonna, you're gonna get something magical. 370 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,520 You have to have a little bit of trust. 371 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,520 Yeah. 372 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:11,520 Yeah. 373 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:12,520 It goes a long way. 374 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,520 Yeah. 375 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:19,120 Now I noticed in Windsor, we have got a lot of really creative people that have just seemed 376 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:23,000 to come out of the woodwork in the last couple of years. 377 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:28,880 What would you give them as advice on how to get to maybe where you are? 378 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,000 Broke and still trying to make a living. 379 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000 Hey. 380 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,000 I'm kidding. 381 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,000 I'm kidding. 382 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:40,040 No, they, it's, I think just constant output is always advice I give younger filmmakers 383 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,040 and actors. 384 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:46,480 It's just like, even if you're not being paid to do something, volunteer on other projects, 385 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,880 you know, know your worth and don't overextend favors too much. 386 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,240 But be, be working because the more you collaborate, the more those people are going to call on 387 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,080 you for future projects, the more you're building a community. 388 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,200 And we have a pretty good filmmaking community in Windsor right now where a lot of people 389 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:05,160 are working together, like lending gear back and forth, like hiring each other on all of 390 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,160 their music videos. 391 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,760 You start to see the same faces and the same crew on a lot of things. 392 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,800 And that's really inspiring because we didn't, we didn't have that, you know, 15 years ago 393 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,000 when I lived here full time and, and before that, but it's also just the technology's 394 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,800 gotten easier so anybody can kind of now go out and create. 395 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,560 But I think just make stuff, go make a short film on the weekend and put it on YouTube 396 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:26,560 the next day. 397 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,360 Don't just, just learn to put your stuff out there and deal with the, the feedback and 398 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:32,600 the harsh criticism and everything. 399 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,960 Just just once you get over that, you sort of just enter a freedom zone where you're 400 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,520 just going to keep creating and all of that just bounces off of you. 401 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,600 The bad criticism bounces off of you and you just want to keep it. 402 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,000 It's kind of like training for the gym. 403 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Like nobody's going to go play basketball for the NBA by sitting on the couch watching 404 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,600 basketball saying like, one day I'm going to do that. 405 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,520 It's like, if you don't get up and go to the gym and go play basketball and train and learn 406 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,160 and collaborate and challenge yourself, you won't get there. 407 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,720 So the sooner you just sort of do that instead of talking about it, it'll change everything. 408 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:06,720 Great advice. 409 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,080 And I wish I would have listened to it when I was younger. 410 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,880 Don't we all, don't we all? 411 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,920 I appreciate you being on this show and when is Dream Crusher coming out? 412 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:20,680 Dream Crusher airs episode one on March 18th and then you're, then you're off to the races. 413 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,120 It gets released every two weeks instead of every week. 414 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:29,000 This just allows people more time to do the interactive elements and never, we don't want 415 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,280 to feel like, you know, everybody's got work and kids and a social life. 416 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,480 We don't want people to feel like it's homework. 417 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,280 We want them to enjoy the process and have the time to think through their decisions 418 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,280 and answers. 419 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,000 We're trying this two week release model. 420 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,720 And I wish some shows would do that because sometimes like, I just want it to last a little 421 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,440 longer before I have to wait another two years for another season. 422 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:53,440 I was just talking about that the other day with somebody about how we miss back in the 423 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:57,680 day when you watched something once a week and that was it. 424 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,000 You couldn't binge it. 425 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,720 And I kind of like binging sometimes, but it's nice to have to wait to. 426 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:05,720 Yeah. 427 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:06,720 Well, we have it right now. 428 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:07,720 Are you watching Severance? 429 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,840 Because that to me is the best thing on television, but it's week to week. 430 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,320 So it's back to that. 431 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,720 Like I call friends and we have theory meetings and people are putting up theories on Tik 432 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,160 Talk and YouTube and Sarah and I are obsessed with it. 433 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,200 So we're always chatting about what something meant. 434 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,800 And like there is a bit more of an enjoyment to that versus sometimes I will binge six 435 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,840 episodes of something and be like, and somebody goes like, remember an episode two? 436 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,480 I'm like, I actually don't. 437 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,040 It just like, I don't have the storage space to watch that much stuff and retain it all. 438 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,040 It's true. 439 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,240 We watched 24. 440 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,240 We bingeed 24. 441 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,920 That was my first binge experience because it was DVD. 442 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,880 And that's when binge TV started, when you could get a season on because my friend, Ryan 443 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,920 Richardson, lent me the DVDs and I think you would love this. 444 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,600 And my ex at the time and I, we stayed up so late watching it that she had to call on 445 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,800 sick to work the next day. 446 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,720 And like I had to call off a meeting in the morning because we just, we couldn't stop, 447 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:01,720 you know? 448 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,480 We, we benched it and then probably a year or so later, like we just got it. 449 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,120 No, we did finish it again, but there was a lot of parts that like you said, you just 450 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:12,120 kind of catch it. 451 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,520 It's like, Oh, I didn't catch that before or I didn't see that. 452 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,000 And it's nice to watch. 453 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,560 Rewatching feels like a lost art form for the most place. 454 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:24,040 And I was talking about this the other day, all of my favorite movies, like my top 10 455 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,440 movies, I don't think I've watched any of those 10 movies in probably seven or eight 456 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:33,520 years at least because there's just, there's so much new content and like working in the 457 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,560 business, especially I'm like, I need to keep up. 458 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:36,560 I need to be relevant. 459 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,000 I need to know what's happening. 460 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,320 And also keeping up with, uh, blessed to have so many talented friends who's seeing episodes 461 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,640 they directed or episodes they acted in just trying to keep up with what's happening. 462 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,600 And I'm like, I haven't watched Stand by Me or Ferris Bueller's Day Off or, or Shawshank 463 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,400 or any of these movies in a long, long time. 464 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:57,080 And like I need to start like, I don't know, maybe, maybe Sundays I go to movie church and 465 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,200 I can only watch the classics, you know, gotta get back to basics. 466 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:07,800 We just binged happiness in, it's on Netflix and it's South Korean show. 467 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:13,160 And it is about what they call mad human disease and it's almost like a zombie type thing. 468 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,200 And not what you expect from a title that has the word happy in it. 469 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,200 We got into it. 470 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,560 We watched so many episodes that you didn't even realize you were reading it. 471 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:28,200 You could kind of figure out what was going on without even actually reading it because 472 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,720 they were just amazing actors, actresses. 473 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,960 One of the best lessons I learned at General Amherst High School in the communications 474 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,640 grade 11 class, my teacher Keith Herrick at the time would make us, we watched The Princess 475 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:46,400 Bride and Empire Strikes Back, but he turned the sound off and he said a great movie should 476 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:51,440 visually tell the story and you should always know what's happening, even if you, even if 477 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000 you haven't heard it before. 478 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,440 And I at that time somehow had not seen The Princess Bride as a kid. 479 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,800 So I could, and I'm like, yeah, and that's, that's, that's a lesson that's always stuck 480 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,800 with me. 481 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,080 The film is a visual medium and you have to use that camera because it's too easy now 482 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,360 to just like, we're not shooting on film. 483 00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:09,480 It's not, it's not expensive. 484 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,720 We'll just, we'll get 15 different angles of this and then we'll, we'll clip it together 485 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,880 in the edit, but it doesn't have the same flow and power and decisiveness of like this 486 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:24,000 shot on this lens for this length of time for this specific dialogue moment is, is what 487 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:29,160 the filmmaker wanted you to see and why did they choose that frame and you know, and sometimes 488 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,960 you are just at a race of, of time and budget where you have to shoot things a little quicker 489 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,360 and a little more traditional, but all of the greats, you see that they had a real sense 490 00:25:40,360 --> 00:25:43,160 of what they were doing or trying to accomplish. 491 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:44,160 Thank you so much, Gavin. 492 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,160 Of course. 493 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:46,160 Happy to be here. 494 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:53,440 Great and definitely make sure to watch dream crusher and that is, I'm going to have where 495 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:59,960 you can catch it in my description so that we can get hunting out and I'm definitely 496 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:00,960 going to watch it. 497 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,960 Yeah. 498 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,480 Let me know if you, if you solve it. 499 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,800 I, the amount of people that have asked me to like, just give me a hint and we'll split 500 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:07,800 the money. 501 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,360 I'm like, I think I'm down to like $4.50 per person. 502 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,360 Like it's not worth very much anymore. 503 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:15,360 No, no, I want to figure this one out on my own. 504 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:16,360 I have to find. 505 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:17,360 Yeah. 506 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:22,280 I listen there, there, there is me who knows the killer is and no one else out there yet. 507 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:27,920 So I've done a really, we're very hard to try to keep the integrity of this mystery alive. 508 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:28,920 Awesome. 509 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,560 I'm going to end it on that note and my name is Tracy Martins. 510 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,960 Thank you for joining me for another episode of YQG and blue. 511 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:46,120 You all have a great day.