1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,040 Hey, Tracy here. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:15,520 I have the multifaceted, multitalented photographer, podcaster, teacher, author, Anthony Sheardown 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:16,520 with me. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,520 Hey. 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:18,520 Hey, thanks for having me on. 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:19,520 Thank you. 7 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,640 I really do appreciate it. 8 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:27,720 And before we get started, this week's episode is sponsored by GL Heritage Brewing Company. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,240 It's a warm and friendly destination with a cozy inside and a spacious outside where 10 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,280 you can enjoy watching the sun set over a game of cornhole. 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,400 Come out and enjoy their award-winning brews and fabulous seltzers. 12 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,240 I tried the blueberry one and it was really, really good. 13 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,080 If you want to know more about the brewing process, GL Heritage will allow you to have 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,280 tours or you can have private events there. 15 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,920 Make sure to stop by if you're in the Amersburg area. 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,320 Check out GL Heritage Brewing on social media to learn about upcoming events. 17 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:04,720 Now, Anthony, I know you're young and how long have you been doing photography? 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,040 I've been doing it full-time for nine and a half years. 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,040 Wow. 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,040 Yeah. 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:11,040 That's a long time. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,760 Yeah, it kind of goes by fast. 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:13,760 It really does. 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:19,320 Now, do you have a certain genre that you do or are you just like all forms of photography? 25 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:23,120 Yeah, I kind of like to split it into like two categories, like the business side, like 26 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,240 my work and then like my personal side. 27 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:31,080 So like on the business side, I do everything from like weddings to commercial work, real 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,200 estate, video stuff, headshots, families. 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:41,040 And then on like the personal side, I would say like travel, landscape, documentary, street, 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,000 adventure, whatever, everything. 31 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,440 It keeps it interesting. 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,720 Is it something you always wanted to do? 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,040 No, I just like after high school, I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:57,600 I took a year off and I had always like kind of been inspired to do something creative, 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,200 but I didn't really like have a medium. 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:03,280 I was like, I bought a camera and I was like, I'm, I always like started things and stopped 37 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:04,280 them. 38 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,560 And then I told myself, you know, I was 18 and when I bought it and I was like, you're 39 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,520 not allowed to stop. 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,120 And from that day forward, I never stopped. 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:17,520 I've done something every day since and it's been like 12 years or something, 11 years. 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,520 Every single day. 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,520 Every day. 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,520 I love that. 45 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Yeah. 46 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,720 And then sometimes you're just out and about doing things and for yourself. 47 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:26,720 Yeah. 48 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,600 Just like, I'm just working hard every day. 49 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,480 Like back then, I didn't even know, like everybody said, like you couldn't like have a job as 50 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,200 a photographer, but I don't know. 51 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,680 Like I spent every day, like I just tried my best to like do everything I could. 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,200 And I always said yes to everything. 53 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,280 And I just like explored every avenue and like started reading books and stuff. 54 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,280 And then yeah, that was it. 55 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,280 I don't know. 56 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,840 I never stopped and I still have it. 57 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,360 What is your favorite book? 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,360 Like photo book. 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Oh my gosh. 60 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:53,360 That's so hard. 61 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,360 It is. 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,360 Oh my God. 63 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,800 For street photography, I like Vivian Myers books. 64 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,360 I like Daniel Arnold has a book called Pickpocket that he put out a couple of years ago. 65 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,360 Is that what it's called? 66 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,560 No, it's called In the Woods. 67 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,040 That's really, really good. 68 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,040 I like Steven Shores. 69 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,040 One of his books. 70 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,040 He's really good. 71 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,160 He's like a contemporary landscape photographer from like the seventies. 72 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:15,160 Oh yeah. 73 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,360 I have a Henry Cartier-Bresson book of like really old school stuff. 74 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:19,360 That's good. 75 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,760 My favorite kind of headshot stuff are people that use like wet plate collodion, that process, 76 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,600 where like they develop it on like a piece of steel or a piece of glass and they'll do 77 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,440 like headshots like pop-ups in like New York and stuff. 78 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:32,440 Oh yeah. 79 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Take people off the street and like take their photo and then develop it. 80 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,340 It's so cool. 81 00:03:36,340 --> 00:03:37,340 That's the sweet. 82 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:38,340 That would be nice. 83 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:39,600 I would love to see that. 84 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,600 Yeah, it's cool. 85 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:41,960 Well, you've done a lot of traveling. 86 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:48,640 I didn't realize before I even go any further, we have this book here. 87 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:54,360 California Gold, which is Anthony's new book and it's coming out July 26th. 88 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,240 You got the first one. 89 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:00,200 Yes, I got the first one and I really, really do love it. 90 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Everything on it has been shot with film, which I've never done it before. 91 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,000 Do it. 92 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,440 It's the best and you already know where to shoot. 93 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:08,440 So like you'll be fine. 94 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,440 Yeah. 95 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:14,600 I try to do one shots when we're doing various events and stuff like that. 96 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:20,720 I try to do one, maybe two shots at a time instead of like being click happy because 97 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,720 I hate having to call it. 98 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:23,960 Yeah, for sure. 99 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Yeah, that makes sense. 100 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:25,960 It drives me nuts. 101 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,320 That's the nice thing about this book is like usually when I travel and like I'm going through 102 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:33,400 my photos, like I always have like a few of everything and it takes a lot of time, especially 103 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,840 with like my personal work, like to pick them because you're really focused. 104 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:38,520 With these, there was one of everything. 105 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,560 So it was just like pull it up and like color corrected and it's like ready to go. 106 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Well, see when I was growing up, that's what it was. 107 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,720 It was all film. 108 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,600 So you'd bring it to the photo mat and then have to wait the week or however long and 109 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,720 to get them in and you'd always be so excited. 110 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,320 Now out of all your rolls of film that you took, how many were like? 111 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,120 I think this book has, there's 144 pages. 112 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,960 So like let's guess because there's like some of the sequencing, there's a blank page and 113 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,240 then there's some like, you know, text on some of the front and back, whatever. 114 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,360 There's probably 130 to 135 photos in the book. 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:22,960 The project in general had like at least 1500 photos total. 116 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,040 So out of like the 1500 to like 2000 I took, I think I ended up like editing and putting 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,280 out like I was happy with about like 600 of them. 118 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:35,840 And then 130 made the book from that 600. 119 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:37,440 That's still really good. 120 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,800 Some of them are good, but like maybe they're too similar to one that's already in there 121 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,080 because it's from like the same scene or something. 122 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,480 Or like, you know, what's funny is like there's actually some is like if I had to pick like 123 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,840 one or the other, like there's some photos in this book that I like other ones that aren't 124 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:58,120 in the book more, but the photo in the book, like it tells us like it helped tell the story 125 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,400 or sequence the photos together. 126 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:06,880 There are some in here and a lot of it is like my type of photography and this is always 127 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,920 going to be my favorite because I love that. 128 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,920 I love that vehicle. 129 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:19,200 But you have a lot of really nice shots that are stuff that I would do. 130 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:24,680 Like they're just memories that you don't want to forget and they may not be the hot 131 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,240 spot or the place that everybody else takes. 132 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,240 I love these. 133 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:30,840 I love everything about it. 134 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:34,640 And then I was looking through your website and found out this isn't even your first 135 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:35,880 book. 136 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,760 How many have you done? 137 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,240 Like three and a half. 138 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,240 Yeah. 139 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,240 Because like one's like a little zine. 140 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,280 It's just like a little thing. 141 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:46,120 But this would be like my third like book book. 142 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:47,120 Book book? 143 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Yeah. 144 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:49,120 Yeah. 145 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,240 The first one was Iceland. 146 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,460 But that one is like a photo book with a written narrative. 147 00:06:52,460 --> 00:06:55,400 Like I wrote through that the whole thing. 148 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Like it's a really like personal book. 149 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,640 A lot of people comment more on like the words in that book than the photos actually. 150 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:05,320 And then then I did the little zine and from my Nicaragua project. 151 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,560 And then my last book, which came out like two and a half years ago, was All Tofino. 152 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Like in B.C. the surf town. 153 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,120 And that one is just at Indigo. 154 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Indigo. 155 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Yeah. 156 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,120 It's at Indigo. 157 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,120 It's at all the local ones too. 158 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,480 I really like push that book hard. 159 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Yeah. 160 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,760 That one that one was fun. 161 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:27,080 The thing about that book was I was going out there during COVID like lockdowns. 162 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,560 So I got to capture the town with only the locals and no tourists. 163 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,040 So it's kind of different. 164 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,800 It's nice to have that quiet. 165 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,520 Like we were supposed to go to New York for my 50th birthday in July 2020. 166 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,560 Just as New York shut down and they weren't letting everybody in. 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:50,840 And I always thought it would have been really, really cool to be on the streets of New York 168 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,240 and it be desolate and get photos of that. 169 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:55,240 Yeah. 170 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,680 When you asked me about my favorite photo books and I mentioned Daniel Arnold's, he 171 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 put out a book two or three years ago. 172 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,240 And most of the photos are from like before 2017. 173 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:10,440 And he has one photo in it from 2020 of like one of the main streets in New York, like 174 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:16,560 Fifth Ave and it's in like April, end of April and it's empty and it's cool. 175 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:17,560 That would be cool. 176 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Yeah. 177 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:19,560 It's very cool. 178 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:20,560 It's sad but cool. 179 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Yeah. 180 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,080 It's sad but cool. 181 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,360 What inspired you to create this book? 182 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,480 So I'd been going out to California a lot. 183 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,480 The first time I went was in 2019. 184 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,880 And then within that first year I went three times. 185 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,920 And then I went right before we like locked down for COVID. 186 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:44,120 So like whatever, like I got back March 2020 and then couldn't travel for like a year and 187 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:45,120 a half. 188 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:50,360 And then in October 21, so a year and a half later, they announced that you could cross 189 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,640 the border again with the test. 190 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,280 The day they announced it, I bought ticket to California for like three weeks later. 191 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,600 It's like we're going right back. 192 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:00,240 That was the last place I was before COVID. 193 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,240 We're going right back. 194 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:02,240 Yeah. 195 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:08,160 And I had just gotten a new film camera and it takes the same lenses as my digital one. 196 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,160 So it's easy to bring. 197 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:13,880 So I brought it and on that trip I was there for like two weeks and I shot a really heavy 198 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:15,920 mix of film and digital. 199 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,280 And towards the end of the trip I was really shooting the film. 200 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,240 I was really having fun and I didn't know what I was getting because it was film, but 201 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,840 I was really having fun and I was taking different kind of pictures. 202 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:29,560 I was taking more pictures that like called to me and like inspired me rather than like 203 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:32,040 looking for like a banger photo, you know? 204 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,880 And then I got back from the trip and I sent the film off and I got it back and I was like, 205 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,640 oh my God, like, wow. 206 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,240 I was like, I was so stoked on it. 207 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,140 And then that was at the time I was finishing my last book. 208 00:09:44,140 --> 00:09:47,960 Like as that book was coming out, I was into the start of this project. 209 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,680 And then I went back again. 210 00:09:50,680 --> 00:09:56,040 We were out there during our honeymoon and I like went crazy on this project. 211 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,200 And then I got those back and I was like even more comfortable with it now. 212 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,120 And I was like, oh, this is going to be something. 213 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,600 So then I went back again, like a couple months later. 214 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,060 And then I was like, yep, there's enough for a book. 215 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:11,120 But I hadn't shot enough like in San Francisco. 216 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:16,560 So we went back to San Francisco so I could like wrap up the project up there, you know? 217 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:17,560 And. 218 00:10:17,560 --> 00:10:19,520 Or was this just an excuse to keep going? 219 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,880 Yeah, I was like, yeah, definitely to keep going. 220 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,600 But yeah, and then I felt like I had like all grounds covered when I went up there and 221 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,320 did some stuff up north. 222 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:28,320 Yeah. 223 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,320 Yeah. 224 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,560 It's definitely a place that I've always wanted to go and especially now. 225 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:37,480 It was funny because the last trip to San Francisco, like number four for the book, 226 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,440 I was like, I don't want to shoot film anymore. 227 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:44,320 I was back to like wanting to do digital because it's a lot to travel with the film. 228 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,240 It can't go through the airport scanners. 229 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,760 Because every time you go to the airport, you have to get in a fight because you have 230 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:50,760 to explain it. 231 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,760 You have to ask it to get handchecked. 232 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:52,760 And then they say no. 233 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:53,760 And then you say yeah. 234 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,000 And then you get an argument or then they don't do it or they do it. 235 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,520 But they make you wait or they like open the back of your camera. 236 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:01,520 It's just a nightmare. 237 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:02,520 I hate it. 238 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,440 It's just it's a terrible process. 239 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,640 I mean, they're not used to how many people use film anymore. 240 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:08,640 Yeah. 241 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:14,480 But have you found that your digital photography is changed now? 242 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:15,800 For my personal work. 243 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:21,360 Yeah, I went to we were going to Cuba in my midst of my film craze, like in the middle 244 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:22,640 of this project. 245 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:23,640 So we're both to leave. 246 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,240 I had all my film packed and everything. 247 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,680 And I go, oh, wait, we're going to Cuba. 248 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:28,680 They're not going to care. 249 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:29,680 They're going to put it through the scanner. 250 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:30,680 I'm going to ask them handcheck. 251 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:32,240 They're going to say no. 252 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,640 So I was like, I could either get there and they could put it through and then I'm not 253 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,080 going to shoot on it because it could be ruined. 254 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,640 Or I could shoot an entire week, 20 rolls of film, and then they could put it through 255 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:43,640 and it could be ruined. 256 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,840 So right before we left, I just took my digital camera. 257 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,040 And when we were there, I was like, I'm going to pretend like I'm shooting a film. 258 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:51,640 I put it on single shot only. 259 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:57,720 When I shoot film, I usually shoot on shutter priority instead of manual, just because like 260 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,440 if you're trusting the meter in the camera anyway, you might as well just shoot like 261 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:02,440 that. 262 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:04,840 So I shot on my digital camera like that. 263 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,000 And I was only allowed to take one picture of everything just like film. 264 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,520 And I stuck to it and I loved it. 265 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:15,400 When I came back and I had enough from this project where I pulled up a Cuba photo that 266 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,400 had a lot of colors in it, like it had blue, red, green, whatever. 267 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,960 I pulled up a couple of California ones from the film and I went in Lightroom and I made 268 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,640 a preset that mimicked the tones as best I could. 269 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,040 Yeah, because those tones are really, really nice. 270 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,560 Yeah, they're, it's not perfect, but it's close enough. 271 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,280 And a good photo, it doesn't matter. 272 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,440 The OK photos, it matters, I find. 273 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,360 But a great one, it doesn't matter. 274 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,680 And then I was like, yeah, so then I got back into digital and I'm still on the digital 275 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:44,680 kick actually. 276 00:12:44,680 --> 00:12:50,080 Yeah, because I actually, I find that your pictures in here remind me, I just had to 277 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,000 look it up to make sure I had the name right. 278 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:54,720 Wes Anderson, his movies. 279 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Oh, thanks. 280 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:56,720 That's a pretty good compliment. 281 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:02,640 Well, no, the coloring and the color grading and it just really reminded me, especially 282 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,600 of his last one that came out. 283 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,600 He shot that movie on Kodak Film. 284 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:07,600 Oh yeah. 285 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,600 Motion picture film, different film. 286 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Yeah, obvious. 287 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:12,520 But still Kodak colors and all this whole book is on Kodak Film. 288 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:18,840 So yeah, but a lot happens when it comes off of that roll, it gets scanned and then the 289 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,680 lab corrects it and then I get it and then I correct it a little bit. 290 00:13:22,680 --> 00:13:25,280 So you can still correct it? 291 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,680 I slightly touch up the JPEGs or a TIFF file. 292 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,560 Nothing crazy, but a little bit. 293 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:35,960 But it really gets corrected by the person in the lab. 294 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:40,840 Like when it goes through a Neurotour Frontier scanner, they're color correcting it pretty 295 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:44,640 heavily to get it to look how it's supposed to. 296 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,640 So you're really putting your trust in the people at the lab. 297 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,360 Somebody in the lab is color correcting every one of your pictures. 298 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,440 They're just doing it quickly, but they are correcting every one to make it even. 299 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,400 And then you can do it on top, which is... 300 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:01,120 Slightly, you don't have as much control as they have on the scanner, but those scanners 301 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:02,120 are like $20,000. 302 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,840 So I don't have one of those scanners. 303 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:11,000 But I want that quality from the scans, so it just makes sense to do that. 304 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:16,880 And if you don't like it, you can ask them to tweak it and then they'll send it back 305 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:17,880 to you. 306 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:23,000 So for the San Francisco work, I said this doesn't match. 307 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,680 And I was like, you guys scanned my other work. 308 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,840 So I actually sent them the files from the past few scans and then they just recolor 309 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,600 corrected all the work from the last trip to make it match. 310 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,240 Oh, that's cool. 311 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:42,200 Now I know that you don't just do photography and that. 312 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,400 You also started teaching a few courses. 313 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:47,960 What are you teaching? 314 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:53,440 So last semester I taught, I think it was called Mobile Photography in the Media, just 315 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,320 a photography course at the journalism program at St. Clair for first year students. 316 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,800 And it had never been taught before. 317 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,880 It's a new course, so I built it kind of all myself. 318 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,440 They give you the things you have to teach and then you add everything that you think 319 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:08,440 needs to be added. 320 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,960 I made the whole thing essentially, like every week's lesson plan. 321 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,920 And I had a blast teaching it all winter semester. 322 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,600 It was super fun. 323 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,040 And then this semester through the summer, I'm teaching at the Media Convergence program 324 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,040 at St. Clair podcasting class. 325 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:24,560 That's cool. 326 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,000 What kind of podcasting is it going to be? 327 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,320 Is it all behind the scenes, in front? 328 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:35,640 Because I know Dan taught you the podcasting, but it was more like what we're doing here, 329 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:36,920 the script writing. 330 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Yeah, it's pretty similar to the one Dan taught us. 331 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,880 But Dan taught me in the journalism program. 332 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,800 I'm teaching to Media Convergence students, which is like, that's a more advanced program. 333 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:55,280 To take that program, you have to, well, you used to have to be a graduate of another program 334 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,400 like journalism or PR or something from the university. 335 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,580 So everybody comes in with like a little bit more knowledge. 336 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:05,040 So a lot of it is just like, they're giving me scripts. 337 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,760 I'm like looking them over, but they already know how to record and edit. 338 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,480 And I'm just like, kind of, I'm more guiding. 339 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,040 So more so than teaching, I'm helping them with things that they don't understand and 340 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,080 giving them like tips and stuff like that. 341 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,880 But they have more knowledge than like a basic first year student. 342 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Like I was teaching last semester. 343 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,520 They're essentially like three years in and like a whole new program. 344 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,520 Wow. 345 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,080 How do you like teaching? 346 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,080 It's a blast. 347 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,080 I like it. 348 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Yeah. 349 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,080 So are you going to do a fall course as well? 350 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,400 I was supposed to do a fall course for PR, a different photography class. 351 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:43,120 But they, I don't think that they have as many students as they thought they were going 352 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,120 to have in that program. 353 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,320 So I don't think I'm doing it now, which is okay because I'm busy in the fall. 354 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,840 But I'm going to do my class again next winter. 355 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,840 Oh, okay. 356 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,840 Like the one that I did. 357 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:57,440 I call it my class because like I was the only one who's taught that class so far. 358 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,440 It's yours. 359 00:16:58,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Yeah. 360 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,800 Like this podcasting class is a full-timer Dave. 361 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,680 He's been teaching the class for a long time, but he's off for the summer. 362 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,400 So he did the first six weeks and I did the last nine. 363 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:10,400 Okay. 364 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,560 So it's, yeah, I'm just essentially helping him. 365 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,760 Thinking, because I'm thinking about it now because he also does creative, creatives of 366 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,040 Windsor podcast. 367 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:25,720 Way back in the day, you said about 10 years ago, Dan taught you podcasting. 368 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,880 Did you always want to do a podcast or was that a required course or? 369 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,440 Yeah, it was just a course you had to take in that program. 370 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,360 But I didn't have the idea until, I don't know, a few years ago. 371 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:40,080 And I just, I like talking to other creatives in the city. 372 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:45,320 And I used to do a lot more like shoots for fun with people around the city, but I got 373 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,280 out of it and started shooting a lot more travel stuff for fun. 374 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:54,120 And I was like, I thought of the idea for a podcast and I was like, obviously as a photographer 375 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:58,840 and a videographer, I knew how to do the audio editing and the filming and everything as 376 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,200 you and your husband with your same thing. 377 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,200 Yeah. 378 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,080 And then I was like, yeah, I think I could do that. 379 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,640 And then I hummed and hawed about it. 380 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,200 And then I was just like, you know what, let's just do it. 381 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Why not? 382 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,600 I know I was the same way. 383 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,360 It was like, I'm watching other people. 384 00:18:12,360 --> 00:18:14,680 I'm like, I can do that. 385 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,200 Don't know why I thought I could do it. 386 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,160 It was never anything I ever wanted to do. 387 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,400 I like being behind the camera, but it's fun. 388 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,400 It's different. 389 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:28,120 And I'm like you, like I always said I didn't like people, but I'm finding now seriously, 390 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:33,920 I'm finding as I'm getting older, I actually really enjoy meeting people and cool people, 391 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,640 different creatives and business people. 392 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,560 And they're just a lot of fun and really interesting. 393 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,560 Yeah. 394 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:42,760 I love hearing people's stories. 395 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:43,760 Yeah, me too. 396 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:44,760 Yeah. 397 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,760 I've loved it. 398 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:46,760 Like it's great. 399 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:47,760 And you get to talk to people that you're interested in. 400 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:52,600 Like I see people doing cool stuff and I'm like, oh, like I'm interested in you like 401 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,600 right now. 402 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:54,600 I want to talk to you. 403 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,280 So like you have them on and that makes for like the best interviews, you know? 404 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:03,200 I think it's better like when they kind of come in our path. 405 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,200 You know what I mean? 406 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,480 And it's just like, oh, like, yeah, you want to be on the next one kind of thing without 407 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,840 even planning it. 408 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:16,120 Like my next guest is the lead singer of a band that I saw on Saturday night. 409 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:18,680 But Taya, I think her last name is Fenera. 410 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,200 She's the lead singer of Your Rich Friends, that band. 411 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,880 Yeah, Taya, doesn't she work for Elite? 412 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:24,880 Yes. 413 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,880 Yeah, I know her very well because we do their pictures. 414 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:28,880 Oh, there you go. 415 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,440 She's such a good singer. 416 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,880 And we've taken some pictures of her and Lisa just for fun. 417 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,880 Oh, awesome. 418 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,880 Yeah, sweet. 419 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,160 So Lisa's married to one of my really, really good friends, Michael. 420 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:45,880 So yeah, so Taya, I saw her play and I was just like, I really liked their performance. 421 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,840 I was like, oh, this is sweet. 422 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,880 And it kind of, you know, I was inspired by their show. 423 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,280 So then I just reached out and I was like, do you want to come on? 424 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,400 Because like I'm interested in like what, like I want to talk to you now after I saw 425 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,400 you do something. 426 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,400 And I've done that with most of my guests. 427 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,080 Just like I was at their show or they were, I saw them doing something and I was like, 428 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,320 oh, I want to have questions for you, you know? 429 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,520 I'm curious. 430 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Yeah. 431 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,360 And is there anybody else that you have or do you just plan them like spur of the moment? 432 00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:13,240 It's like, oh, I like this person. 433 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:14,240 So let's see. 434 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,560 Yeah, like I have a list that I've made and when I see people, I'll throw their name on 435 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,120 it or people will reach out to me and ask to come on and I'll throw their name on the 436 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:23,120 list. 437 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,880 Because like I said, I only do like one every like three to four weeks. 438 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,880 And one, I have to be like really interested in you at the moment or else it's not going 439 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,040 to be like, I have to be curious about like, you have to, you know, about what you're doing 440 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,520 or else it's not fair to anybody. 441 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:42,520 Like if I don't have any, if I'm not curious about you, I'm not going to ask you good questions. 442 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,800 And I also like to keep them like, for example, like my next guest is Brian from Craft Heads. 443 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:48,800 Oh yeah. 444 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Who I've always wanted to have on. 445 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,040 I had Tom Luscher on last summer. 446 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,280 I can't have Brian and Tom Luscher back to back. 447 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:55,280 They're the same guest. 448 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,280 You know what I mean? 449 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,280 Pretty much. 450 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,280 Have a round table then. 451 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:04,600 Yeah, like it's or like I had, I had Tory Ruevers on and I had Dan McDonald. 452 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,600 I can't have them back to back. 453 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,840 They're the same. 454 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,920 They're both radio hosts. 455 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:14,160 So like I try to keep them and I, I like to separate like what they do to like, oh, you're 456 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,160 a visual artist. 457 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:16,480 You're this, you're that. 458 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,840 And I like to spread them out in that way to just to have like kind of more diversity. 459 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,840 Yeah. 460 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,520 So I'm just, yeah, usually people come to me like Taya and I'm like, I just see them 461 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,320 and I'm like, yeah, I'm interested. 462 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:28,320 You have to. 463 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,200 And then sometimes when I'm looking for one, I'll just go through that list I have and 464 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,400 be like, oh, this is, doesn't go with the last three. 465 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,680 Would you put them in now? 466 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:44,280 Do you find that if you know the person and it's harder? 467 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Yeah, I try to have, I like having people I've never met because you can ask them anything, 468 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,320 you know? 469 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:53,200 I know that's what I was saying to Dan, Dan the other night and he said, he agreed and 470 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,400 he said the same thing. 471 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,560 The more you know a person, the harder it is to interview them because you already know 472 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,560 everything. 473 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,560 So it's like, okay, what do I ask? 474 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,360 What do I not ask? 475 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:10,400 And you know, just from watching different episodes or even knowing people in businesses 476 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,400 and it's like, it's the worst trying to figure out questions that people would want to know 477 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,040 because I already know the answer to it. 478 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,040 Yeah, that's like a reason why I haven't had Michael the Fazio on. 479 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:23,600 I've been friends with him for so long. 480 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,600 We're good friends. 481 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,760 We've talked like, see, I've been friends with Dan for a while, but we haven't hung 482 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:29,840 out in a while. 483 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,040 So it was like a catch up. 484 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,040 Yeah. 485 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,200 We were playing from Kraft Eds, we were just catching up. 486 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,800 But like Michael, I've talked to him too much over the last 10 years, like where I don't 487 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,920 know what to ask him at all. 488 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,760 Like I know everything I want to ask and is it going to sound fake? 489 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,280 I don't know what we're going to talk about. 490 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:50,960 I'll just have him on and we'll see what happens anyway. 491 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,960 But that's why I haven't had somebody like him on yet because I just don't, I'm not curious. 492 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,800 I know everything about you, you know? 493 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,800 Ask him about his piano playing. 494 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,120 Oh yeah, because I know he started taking piano lessons, yes. 495 00:23:04,120 --> 00:23:11,040 And then he wasn't at the last one or two of their recitals, their showcases. 496 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,040 Okay. 497 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,160 Yeah, that's how they met, I think, right? 498 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,160 Him and Lisa? 499 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:21,400 I don't know if he, I thought, I wasn't sure which came first, him and Lisa or him and 500 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:22,400 piano. 501 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,640 I think he started taking piano lessons from her. 502 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,920 Yeah, I think they said that because I did their wedding, their secret wedding. 503 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,720 Their secret, oh, you did that? 504 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:31,720 Yeah. 505 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,720 Nice. 506 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,760 Yeah, I've been doing, Michael's probably my longest client in my business. 507 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,680 I've been doing his photos since 2014, so 10 years. 508 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,160 He was a kind of interesting story. 509 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,960 I still do all his work to this day. 510 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,760 Every time you've seen a picture of Michael's pieces, it's from me. 511 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,780 Unless it's from a cell phone that they took. 512 00:23:51,780 --> 00:23:56,760 But he used to work out of his, Nono's garage. 513 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:02,880 And I would go and, when he got his building, and I would help him deliver the pieces. 514 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,160 So we'd put it in his truck, his pickup truck, whatever. 515 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,160 Bring it to the client's house. 516 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,320 I'd bring it in for him. 517 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,400 We'd set it up. 518 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,800 And then once it was set up, I would take pictures of it. 519 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,320 Which evolved into, he doesn't even do that anymore. 520 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:16,600 And he's got a whole team. 521 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,800 And he just sends me all his clients. 522 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,640 And I reach out and I go on my own time. 523 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,560 And we don't even really talk anymore. 524 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:23,840 I shoot everything for him. 525 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,120 And I deliver it to a folder and his social media people handle it. 526 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,120 Oh my goodness. 527 00:24:28,120 --> 00:24:29,120 He has people. 528 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:30,600 He has lots of people. 529 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:31,600 Oh. 530 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Yeah, he's a very, he likes to run his business with a team. 531 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:36,600 That's great. 532 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,600 Yeah. 533 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,600 Okay, now I want him on my show. 534 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:40,600 Yeah, do it. 535 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:41,600 No, no. 536 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:42,600 He's your friend. 537 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,600 No, have a hug. 538 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,600 No, I know. 539 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,600 I'm the same way. 540 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,240 I know them. 541 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,240 He's a busy guy. 542 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,880 I wouldn't be able to get a hold of him anyway. 543 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,240 I like sharing guests with you. 544 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,240 It's cool. 545 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,240 You know what? 546 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,240 I do too. 547 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,800 And even with David and watching the different podcasts, because I'll watch your podcast 548 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,160 because I knew you had Dan on. 549 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:12,400 And it just happened that David and I have had a couple people the same. 550 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:18,000 But I like to watch ahead of time so that, A, I'm not asking the exact same questions 551 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,120 and I can take it in a different direction. 552 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:23,960 A different feel without it being like too much the same. 553 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:28,240 Because who wants to watch the same podcast with two different hosts? 554 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,280 True, true. 555 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,280 I think another thing too, Dan's not an example of this because he's comfortable. 556 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:38,240 But somebody who's not used to being interviewed, if they come on mine first and they go on 557 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,200 yours or vice versa, they're going to be more comfortable on the second time. 558 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,200 Yeah. 559 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,120 Which is nice for both of us, whoever gets them second. 560 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:45,120 It's true. 561 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:52,400 But I've had two with David that I've actually had to message him and go, okay, when are 562 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,880 you putting it out? 563 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,840 Because we ended up doing them on the same weekend. 564 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:05,200 And this last time I didn't know that he had done a podcast with this person. 565 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,720 And then I did the podcast and they both came out on the same day. 566 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:08,720 And I felt so bad. 567 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:09,720 I messaged him. 568 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:10,720 He's like, it's fine. 569 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,720 It's okay. 570 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,720 I'm like, I know. 571 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,120 But it just, to me it was rude. 572 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:17,960 Yeah, no, no, I feel bad about it, but like that's kind of cool. 573 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000 We should do that and plan it. 574 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,000 All of us. 575 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Oh yeah. 576 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,400 All three of us have the same person and put them out on the same day. 577 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:26,400 That's funny. 578 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,400 Yeah, I don't know. 579 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,240 I think it's cool to share people. 580 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Sometimes I do. 581 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,600 You find out different things. 582 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,600 Yeah. 583 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,840 Because I mean, you're a lot younger than me and you have different likes, different 584 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,840 interests. 585 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,360 So you're going to ask a lot of different stuff. 586 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:45,360 Like I would never have sat there and talked music for that long with Dan. 587 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:51,080 Although the night of Masters of the Bruniverse when he was judging it and him and Jen from 588 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,680 Tailgate Takeout and me and John were sitting there and we're sampling all the beers and 589 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,760 we're just talking nonstop music and who we've met and who we've seen. 590 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:05,280 But yeah, like you, you guys had a really good, really special interview and I really 591 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,280 liked it. 592 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,720 And it was in a great area that I would never would have been able to talk about. 593 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,720 Yeah, it's cool, right? 594 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,720 To me, thanks. 595 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,720 Yeah. 596 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,360 You know, it's funny about Jen, you brought her up again. 597 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:19,320 She's the one who interviewed us about our podcast in The Drive. 598 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,320 Oh, that's funny. 599 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,320 Yes. 600 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,320 Oh yes. 601 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,320 I forgot about that. 602 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,320 Yeah. 603 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,320 That phone call. 604 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,320 Yeah. 605 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,400 So she's interviewed us about these. 606 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,680 What a full circle. 607 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,220 I shoot for The Drive too. 608 00:27:32,220 --> 00:27:34,280 So that was kind of funny to be. 609 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,440 And now we've both shot for WeTac. 610 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,440 Yeah. 611 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,440 Uh huh. 612 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Yeah. 613 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,440 Funny. 614 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,440 Little trio there. 615 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,440 You get the same thing. 616 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:43,440 I was so nervous for that. 617 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,440 For what? 618 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,680 When she called up and she's like, here, I'm going to do an interview with you for The 619 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,680 Drive. 620 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:50,680 And I'm like, why? 621 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:51,680 Why? 622 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,680 Why me? 623 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,680 I got a heads up because I shoot for them. 624 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,680 Yeah. 625 00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,320 Well, I kind of knew ahead of time she had asked me and that's why I'm like, well, but 626 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,320 why? 627 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,320 Like I don't get it. 628 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,680 And she's like, well, you're a staple. 629 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,200 I'm like, well, no, not yet. 630 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,200 I've only been here a couple of years, but apparently that's a staple now. 631 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,680 There's not a lot of us, you know. 632 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:13,680 It's cool. 633 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,680 Yeah. 634 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:20,240 There's so much to do in Windsor-Essex County and there's so many different businesses and 635 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,680 different areas like music. 636 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,920 And I think we need to have more podcasts, but in like different genres. 637 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:28,920 Genres. 638 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:29,920 Yeah. 639 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,400 Ours are definitely different and the way we format it is totally different, but we 640 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,240 just do just have on people that are interesting. 641 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,320 Like it'd be cool. 642 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,120 Like we just, me and you both just do anybody. 643 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,160 It'd be cool to have ones that were more tailored to certain things. 644 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,160 Yeah. 645 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,160 Yeah. 646 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,160 We might. 647 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,520 I know there's a few different podcasts that I haven't caught yet, but people have told 648 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:51,520 me about them. 649 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:52,800 But there is a few. 650 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Yeah. 651 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,800 There's definitely other Windsor ones. 652 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:55,800 Yeah. 653 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,800 That are tailored. 654 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,600 There's a local one with Mike Pichoni talking gold or something like that. 655 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,480 Mike owns the currency exchange place on Dougal. 656 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,640 Oh, talking gold would just piss me off because I'd want it. 657 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,640 Yeah. 658 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,680 So they like just talk about money on business people and stuff like that. 659 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,120 So that's a local one that is totally different. 660 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,120 Yeah. 661 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,920 There's, so I don't know. 662 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Yeah. 663 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:18,920 There's a few. 664 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:19,920 There's a few. 665 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320 There's a history one, Windsor history something. 666 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:23,320 Yeah. 667 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,320 Yeah. 668 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,360 I've listened to that one and I've listened to some old ones where they don't do them 669 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,640 anymore and they were really good. 670 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,840 And it's like, why would you stop? 671 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,840 Yeah. 672 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,160 Because they were really, really interesting. 673 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,960 Not stuff that I would do or I had done, but I enjoyed listening to them. 674 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,440 I can't think of them off the top of my head, but they're in my playlist and I've listened 675 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,800 to them over COVID. 676 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Another good one is Tori Ruvers from Mix96. 677 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,320 Yes. 678 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:52,320 She had a podcast too. 679 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:53,320 I loved that. 680 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,640 She was like obviously really good because she's a radio DJ. 681 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,880 I asked her, I'm like, why did you stop? 682 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,880 Yeah. 683 00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,880 She stopped too. 684 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,320 I don't think, I think she probably, I don't know, she's on the radio all day for work. 685 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:03,320 She's busy. 686 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,320 Yeah. 687 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,320 But hers was good. 688 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,320 She's better than all of us. 689 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,320 Yeah. 690 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,320 It really was. 691 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Yeah. 692 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:10,320 Hers was really good. 693 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,520 Dan turned, I guess, a podcast into a show for Here and Now. 694 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,840 That's just a fun thing for him. 695 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,800 See, that's what, see when the radio people do it, it becomes a big thing. 696 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:18,800 Okay. 697 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,280 Until you interviewed him, I had no idea about Here and Now. 698 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,280 Oh really? 699 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:24,280 I had no idea. 700 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:30,920 And then we talked for way too long the other night and I didn't get a chance to ask him 701 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:31,920 about it. 702 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,320 But is it still on the air? 703 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,320 Yeah, I think so. 704 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,320 I think so. 705 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,320 I think so. 706 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,320 But not 100%. 707 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:38,960 Because it was on, it's on Sunday evenings. 708 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,960 Yes. 709 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,240 You know what's funny is Dan interviewed me on there nine years ago when I was still 710 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,040 his student because I had my first art show coming up and he had me on there. 711 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,560 We did the interview in the radio booth. 712 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:56,680 Like, he, like, because like that studio was across the hall from the river when the river 713 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,400 was still a thing and he was DJing on the river every day from like three to seven. 714 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,680 So I went by and on a commercial break, I'm sitting in the river booth and he's like, 715 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:05,680 93 and I'm in the river. 716 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,400 And he's like, okay, ready to do an interview? 717 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,600 I was like, I guess. 718 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,600 It's scary. 719 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,440 Yeah, it was scary in there. 720 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,440 It is. 721 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,320 And you have this person behind glass that's watching your every move. 722 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,960 It's like, okay, don't look. 723 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:26,320 I do his shows and I saw that the morning show was or the morning drive was on YouTube. 724 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,120 And then I'm like, oh, God, don't do it. 725 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:29,120 Don't do it. 726 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,120 Don't do it. 727 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,720 And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, and Dan McDonald's on now on YouTube. 728 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 And it's like, oh, son of a gun. 729 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,200 Like this was two days before my last one. 730 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,600 And I'm like, oh, man, he's like, you should be used to it. 731 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:43,680 And I said, I know. 732 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,680 But this was my safe spot. 733 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,800 Now I've got to put makeup on. 734 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920 Yeah, it's a nerve wracking for sure. 735 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,760 But I love that they're on YouTube now. 736 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,800 So I don't have to just listen to them in the car when I'm walking the dog. 737 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,600 And I can just have an on here because heaven forbid we have a radio. 738 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,680 So I'm number what? 739 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:05,680 What number am I? 740 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:06,680 Like 80? 741 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,040 You are going to be 77. 742 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,040 77. 743 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,800 Yeah, you've done more than double me. 744 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:13,800 Triple, more than triple. 745 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:15,040 Almost three times. 746 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,040 I tried. 747 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,640 I try to keep it once a week, once every couple of weeks. 748 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800 And I've even had a few where I've done two in a week. 749 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,360 When I first started, I recorded a handful. 750 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,200 I always had a few on the back burner, like the first half of last year. 751 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:37,240 And then I was like, you know, if I don't have time to edit them, some sit too long, 752 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,960 one sat too long. 753 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,900 So now it's always just record and then I don't have any on the back burners anymore. 754 00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:49,640 The only thing I've learned because I did get burned, especially with those pop ups that 755 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400 I just tell them nothing time sensitive. 756 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,920 If I know it's going to be sitting and I'll let them know, you know, like this is not 757 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,880 going to be out for a few weeks or even in the spring when I had a lot, I was booked 758 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,880 a few months in advance from people wanting to be on. 759 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,680 I'm like, OK, but this is going to be a couple of months in advance. 760 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,560 So if you're hoping for it to be out at a certain time, A, let me know or B, make sure 761 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,040 that we don't talk about it. 762 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040 Yeah, for sure. 763 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,040 No, that makes sense. 764 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:24,000 But it is nice to have a backup plan because, you know, anything could happen. 765 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000 Yeah, for sure. 766 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,400 Yeah, that's why it's easy for him just to do one at a time now. 767 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,640 Oh, I'll eventually. 768 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,600 I mean, I'm going to run out of people to talk to eventually. 769 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,000 I don't think we're ever going to run out. 770 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,240 There's so many people. 771 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,240 It'll be good. 772 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:40,240 You know what? 773 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,320 I would love to revisit some, too. 774 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,320 That's what I keep telling. 775 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:48,120 There's a few of them that I've said we need to do it again because, like, it's been a 776 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,600 couple of years and it's time. 777 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,960 You guys are still around. 778 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,560 Your businesses have changed. 779 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,560 So why not? 780 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,560 Yeah, I'm going to do that. 781 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,960 I've definitely haven't been around long enough to do it yet. 782 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,760 But I'd love to have, like, my first guest, Sebastian, from Hutch. 783 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,280 Like, I'd love to have him back on at, like, the three year anniversary or something. 784 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,600 OK, did Dan die when he found out that you did Hutch? 785 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,160 He talked to you about that and then he was talking about it on here. 786 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:23,640 So when he had me on here now 10 years ago, we played, like, Hutch played the opening 787 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:28,360 of that show we were promoting and Dan played, we played their music on the show while I 788 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,360 was being interviewed. 789 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,360 It was really cool. 790 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:31,360 Yeah, that is cool. 791 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,360 Yeah. 792 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,680 So you need to get him back on. 793 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,680 Yeah. 794 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,240 Because now I need to have their drummer on, Robbie, from the show. 795 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,240 Oh, OK. 796 00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:40,240 From the band, sorry. 797 00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,280 I've had, like, their manager on and yeah. 798 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,280 That would be fun. 799 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,280 Yeah. 800 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:46,280 Yeah. 801 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:52,120 Yeah, I think probably in the fall some of my businesses, once they're done with their 802 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:57,560 different markets and shows before the Christmas rush, I'll get them back on because that is 803 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:58,560 a good idea. 804 00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,720 It's always nice to see. 805 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:06,520 And I know Megan from Iris and Marnie, she was one of my first few podcasts and she had 806 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,560 just done a podcast the year before with somebody else. 807 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,000 So I figured it'd be fun. 808 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:18,560 We were friends and I'm like, OK, this is your this is a year since you started your 809 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,000 business. 810 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,000 Where have you gone? 811 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,360 What have you what's changed? 812 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,360 What are you doing now? 813 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,360 And it's been almost two years since she's been on. 814 00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,640 So I want to get her back on because I know she's changing her jewelry style. 815 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,640 And yeah, it's cool. 816 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,480 Like, yeah, like if a band had a new album come out or somebody did something new, a 817 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:36,720 revisit would be cool. 818 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:37,720 Yeah. 819 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:38,720 Yeah. 820 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:39,720 One day. 821 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:40,720 Yeah. 822 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:41,720 Yeah. 823 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:42,720 A few years in, I think, for me. 824 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:43,720 See, but you're going to be at two years soon. 825 00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:44,720 So it's perfect. 826 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:45,720 Yeah. 827 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:46,720 In November. 828 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:47,720 Yeah. 829 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:48,720 Yeah. 830 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:49,720 But let's get back to the topic of California Gold. 831 00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:53,160 Are you going to be doing another book or are you going to do a part two to this? 832 00:35:53,160 --> 00:36:00,200 I've made I've decided that I've done too many books back to back and I'm not going 833 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,720 to do any big personal projects or shows for five years. 834 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:05,720 Five years? 835 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,600 Which is like wow my career so far. 836 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,600 So I put out a book in 2019. 837 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,600 Then I put on my Z in 2020. 838 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,000 Then I put a book in 22 and now 24. 839 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,880 So I'm going to keep doing like the collaborative shows that I do with other artists and put 840 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,080 my work in those whatever. 841 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,000 But no big projects that are just about me for five years. 842 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,240 And that'll give you the time to figure it out. 843 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:31,240 Yeah. 844 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:32,240 Oh yeah. 845 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,560 And I forgot to say you also make your own frames. 846 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,560 Yes. 847 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:36,560 Which are gorgeous. 848 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,560 Thanks. 849 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,600 I'm going to have like 30 or 40 in the show. 850 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,640 So that'll be nice. 851 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:46,640 So well I'm sad that this is going to be your last book and I definitely have to get my 852 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,040 hands on your other books because I really, really love this one. 853 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,040 Thank you. 854 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,280 And I really enjoyed talking to you today. 855 00:36:54,280 --> 00:37:00,320 I could probably sit here for longer but we will save it for the rehash. 856 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,320 Yeah. 857 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:02,320 We'll have each other. 858 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,800 I'll have you back online in like three years. 859 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,400 Just keep going back and forth. 860 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,160 Well thank you so much. 861 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,800 And again my name is Tracy Martens. 862 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,760 Thank you for joining me for another episode of YQG in Bloom. 863 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:20,080 And make sure to subscribe to my podcast and also to me on social media at YQG in Bloom 864 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,840 podcast as well as Creatives of Windsor podcast with Anthony Sheardown. 865 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,880 That way you can catch all of our podcasts and we will see you soon. 866 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:50,920 You guys have a good day.