Hey there, Tracy here and thank you for joining me for another episode of YQG In Bloom.
And today I have with me a nurse practitioner from Windsor, Kristin DiCarlo.
Hello.
Thank you so much for coming today.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be here.
Now I wanted to ask first and foremost, what is a nurse practitioner?
Oh yeah, a lot of people aren't really familiar.
They are familiar, they've heard the term, but they don't really know exactly what a
nurse practitioner is.
So a nurse practitioner is a registered nurse who has advanced education.
So I'm a registered nurse and then I went back to school and took additional training
to become a nurse practitioner, which is about two extra years on top of the four-year undergrad
degree.
And in addition, in order to get into the NP program, you had to have three years experience
as an RN.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So can people go to a nurse practitioner instead of a doctor or does that work?
Yeah, so it's not a replacement role for a doctor.
It's a different role, but a nurse practitioner within my scope of practice or within the
scope of a nurse practitioner practice can diagnose, can treat many or most health conditions,
can prescribe medication and order diagnostic testing, refer to other specialties, refer
to specialist physicians.
And nurse practitioners work in collaboration as part of a comprehensive healthcare team.
So we work alongside doctors, social workers, all kinds of therapists, dieticians, physiotherapists,
naturopathic doctors.
Now do people pay for a nurse practitioner or is it covered under the OHIP scope?
So a nurse practitioner cannot bill OHIP.
So that's a difference between physician practice and nurse practitioner practice.
A lot of nurse practitioner roles are provincially funded, so depending on where you work, you
may have funding and then you're paid a salary.
But if a nurse practitioner isn't a private practice, then everything I order is OHIP
funded.
So if I were to order blood work or refer to a specialist, it is covered.
But the actual fee for the visit cannot be billed to OHIP.
So that's why we see nurse practitioners charging privately because there's no other way to
be compensated for that visit.
Yeah, now nurse practitioners are like doctors.
You do have different specialties.
And what is your specialty?
So as a kind of as a nurse practitioner, I've worked in a lot of different areas.
I've been doing this for about well since 2007.
So long time, but you know, I've worked in women's health and mental health and primary
care, teen health, sexual health, all kinds of different areas.
But in the last few years, I actually have started my own practice, which is I bring
my nurse practitioner skill set into it.
But I offer psychotherapy coaching and bringing in my NP background to work with women specifically
in mental health around really around anxiety, burnout and chronic stress.
Which is something that I think we all have a little bit of at least.
Yeah, being women, we're always on the go.
But it's something that we don't really want to talk about too much, because then you're
a failure.
How would somebody know that they have reached the point of where they need to talk to you
about burnout or anxiety?
Great question.
So burnout is a complex phenomenon.
It's not a diagnosis.
It's sort of like something that, yes, you're absolutely right.
Most of us humans have experienced at some point.
And there's a lot of parts.
There's a lot of contributing factors.
It's not really easy to necessarily identify.
But I think when you talk to other women, if I was to say to you, I'm burned out, I
think inherently you just kind of know what that means, right?
But the World Health Organization would set the definition of burnout as having increased
mental distance from one's job.
So feeling cynical, feeling really negative about life circumstances or professional work,
feelings of emotional or physical exhaustion.
That's a big one.
That's a big problem.
For sure.
And reduce professional efficacy.
So just less productive.
But really nobody talks about it like this.
What they're saying to me is I feel like I'm drowning.
I feel like I can't keep up with my own life.
I feel like I'm in survival mode.
A lot of the women who come to me are super smart, very ambitious.
They've accomplished a lot.
They have been juggling multiple roles like so many of us do.
They're working.
They're managing a home.
They have a partner potentially.
They have family.
They have other things that they have going.
And then they also have all the work responsibilities.
But all the boxes are checked.
Everything looks really fantastic on the outside.
But on the inside it's like help me, I'm at my breaking point.
And you're talking about half of North America because it just seems that it's not nonstop.
It's go, go, go, go, go when it's your work and your home life and you have to be the
perfect June Cleaver from the 50s but also the modern woman of now.
Yeah, absolutely.
So there's so many factors that play into it for sure.
But societal conditioning, right?
Like sort of how we're like a lot of that messaging is still there about like a woman's
role for sure, right?
And women, yeah, we work now, right?
It was different 50, 60, 70 years ago.
But now we're balancing all of that.
And it's hard.
It is hard.
But you do have your friends that will support you and you have the men that will support
you.
The men don't understand that not only do you have the burnout and the anxiety of everything,
but then you have hormones on top of it.
Oh, yeah.
And that just makes everything 10 times worse.
Yeah.
Well, we know that the mind and the body are so entwined, right?
So that's part of when we look at burnout, we have to look at all of it and all the pieces
that are contributing.
So it's never one thing really.
And burnout is traditionally thought as a workplace phenomenon.
So it's related to the workplace environment.
But I work with women who are just like stressed, right?
They're like, help me.
I'm in a pit.
I can't function.
I'm not having any joy.
I don't feel fulfilled.
I don't know how to enjoy my life.
I feel like it's a rinse and repeat.
Living in the fast lane.
That's a lot of what they say.
And when we look at it, like the contributing factors, yeah, there's societal messaging.
There's like multiple roles.
But even if we look at the changing culture of work, right?
The always on technology, even in our personal lives, like we all have our phones with us.
They're always dinging.
Always.
I know.
Mine's over there because I'm recording.
But normally, there's emails, there's text messages.
Like it's constant, right?
So that all factors into the cognitive load, like the weight of everything that we're dealing
with.
So you brought up a really important point.
I just want to cycle back to that when you said that we don't always talk about it because
sometimes there's a sense of failure if we're experiencing burnout.
And oh my gosh, that's so the truth, right?
A lot of us see it that way.
When we're struggling, it's like I should be able to keep up with all of this.
Like look at everybody else.
They're doing it and they're fine, but we don't know behind closed doors.
They could be fetal position crying just like we are.
Yeah, for sure.
And I think I like to think about burnout as not a sign of failure, but a sign that
something just needs to change.
Right?
Sometimes it's just, okay, it's time to recalibrate.
What is working here?
What's not working here?
And what do we need to do to start to actually enjoy our life again and not feel so completely
exhausted and tapped out that we can't?
I just did an episode not too long ago with Robert France, who is the maestro with Windsor
Symphony Orchestra.
We're talking about doing something that you're very passionate about for work.
And like we don't really get meaning and purpose from our work.
Some people do for sure.
I know I do.
Right?
And I think you do too.
Right?
A lot of people do, but not everybody gets all of their meaning and purpose from work
and that's okay.
But there is a study that came out of U of M in recent years that identified three orientations
that people have regarding their work.
Okay?
It's really interesting.
It ties into exactly what you're saying.
So those that see their work as a job, like it's a chore, we do it for money.
Okay?
In those jobs, we're looking forward to the end of the day.
We're doing it because we have to.
We have bills to pay.
I'm going because I have to.
And this can be any job.
Honestly, somebody could go into nursing or be a nurse practitioner and do it for that
reason.
It's a job.
It's there to pay the bills.
Right?
The second orientation is those that see work as a career.
So it's about progress or like progressing, growing in the role, climbing the ladder,
so to speak, sort of making money and like climbing in the organization.
It's a career that you grow in.
The third orientation was about those that see their work as a calling.
And really, surprisingly in the study, it didn't matter what the work was.
So those that see their work as something that matters.
The first study here was with janitors in hospitals.
Okay?
And those that focused on meaning.
So those that thought about, I'm going to work to help.
I'm part of something bigger than me.
I'm here to have an impact.
It's purposeful work.
Yeah.
We're happier than the ones that saw it as like, I got to go to work.
I just have to pay the bills.
I'm here because I have to.
So you can see it's not even the difference in the actual job.
It's the difference in how you look at the job.
How you look at the job.
Now to me, number one, you know, doing it for the money and number three, doing it for
purpose.
Well, purpose is always going to be better.
But number one, I can understand that that's probably about 80% of us were doing it because
we need to do it.
But the ones that feel the career and feel driven to me, I think they might be the ones
that would burn out more because their drive is just nonstop, nonstop.
And that's the one that scares me.
Yeah, potentially, right?
Because we can get caught up thinking that when I reach this milestone.
And you never reach it because you're always looking for more and more and more.
When I get there, I'll be happier.
And that there's actually like a concept called the arrival fallacy.
Have you ever heard of it?
Yeah.
It's like when I arrive at this goal and it could be like when I get married, you know,
when I buy a house, when I get a job, when I move, you know, then I'll be happy.
And what we know from lots and lots of research is that it's not the circumstance that creates
the happiness.
Really.
It's how you're thinking about the things in your life for sure.
That study I think was so profound because what it shows you is that how you think about
your work does matter.
That sense of meaning that we want, we have to be the ones to kind of create that.
Yes.
And to find the purpose in what we're doing.
I've gone through that myself where I've done so many different jobs to try and find the
one that really fit with me where I wasn't just nonstop, nonstop.
And I always said growing up that I didn't want to work in the customer service industry
because I hated working with people.
And then it turned out that that was the job that I was good at.
And I really liked like even working at Starbucks, I loved working with the customers.
It was great to, you know, make their day if you here have a free drink or something.
And I really enjoyed it for the four years that I was there.
But a lot of times you've got to go from job to job to job and not feel like a failure.
It feels almost like you're on a journey to find that purpose and to find the meaning
and find the job that's not going to make you feel like a failure and feel like you're
burnt out at the end of the day.
Yeah, definitely.
I think it's okay to sort of course correct.
Right.
But I also think that sometimes we can get caught up in like chasing that.
It's like, where will I find the thing that's going to make me happy?
You just know when it hits you.
Yeah.
And sometimes it's again, like we have to be the ones to connect with what are we doing
this work for?
Right.
Like what?
Why am I doing this?
And finding meaning in that way is so important.
And we know that it's really protective against burnout.
It is nice in a way to have a lot of different careers in the background because you kind
of have a little bit of knowledge about different things.
So you can have a lot of hobbies and that helps with the burnout when I feel that I'm
just getting to the point where I'm going to scream, I'm going to cry.
Well, I can go gardening or I can go and do something else for a bit and just to bring
my stress levels down.
Yeah.
And notice that like that's connecting with things that are important to you.
Right.
Like things you actually love.
And I also see what I've recognized in a lot of the people that I work with and even in
myself, it's that when I'm burnt out or when clients are reaching the point of burnout,
a lot of times it's what's coming at us.
It's all the things we're juggling, but it's also what we give away.
Right.
And it's also what we're not doing that connects us back to our sense of meaning and joy and
purpose and like love of life.
Right.
So we don't have enough of what lights us up.
That's the first thing to go when somebody is feeling completely overwhelmed, completely
stressed out.
That's usually the first thing that we give up.
Right.
Like just notice that when we're stressed out, we're giving up time with friends and
we're giving up things like the gardening and walking and sleep and drinking water and
going pee and eating dinner.
We give all that away.
Right.
And we get caught up in that complete hustle culture and it doesn't lead us where we want
to go most of the time.
It's true.
Now, how are you able to help us people with burnout, as women with burnout and with the
anxiety?
Yeah.
So it's always very individualized.
So I am very individualized in my practice, meaning when I'm working with somebody, we're
looking at what are all the factors that are contributing to where you're at now.
So internal factors, external factors, all of it.
So we pick it all apart.
We sort of look at like, what are the things that are not working?
What are the things that you're wanting more of?
What are all the factors that are contributing?
So I actually use a four step process with my clients.
The first part is recognize.
Right.
So we want to recognize first off, recognize the signs of burnout and stress.
It's so very normalized in our culture to just be completely running on empty.
Have you noticed that?
Oh, yeah.
Right.
And we don't even always recognize that we've been feeling really bad for a long time.
So first off, recognizing the signs of burnout.
How do you know when you're getting to your limit?
How do you know when you're running on empty?
What would be the normal and what I mean by normal answer is there are some certain things
that everybody has in common, obviously being overly tired, emotional.
Oh, yeah.
Ready anger.
Yeah.
And there's just often like a general lack of meaning or detachment from even when you're
with people, feeling like you're disconnected, feeling like you're having a hard time connecting.
Yeah.
Looking going, OK, can I go home?
Yeah.
Sometimes that's still there.
Right.
You might want your time at home.
But just feeling like I think it's a big loss of feeling of joy.
Right.
Essentially, like sometimes just feeling like you can't quite access happiness for some
reason, even though you think you should be able to.
Because everything's going good, right, on paper.
Yeah.
Exhaustion is a big one.
Feeling like I just can't do it anymore.
Lack of focus or frustration, irritability, loss of motivation.
Like a lot of people are just waking up and they're like, I just can't today.
I just can't do it anymore.
I think we all do that, especially here, because it just seems that the North American culture
is just go, go, go, go, go, and everybody has to be happy.
We're just conditioned that way, and I hate it.
Yeah.
Sometimes you wake up feeling that way, though.
We don't give ourselves what we need.
We're just like, we just have to push through it.
Right.
So I think step one is to recognize when you're burned out, and then dig a little bit deeper.
Let's recognize what's contributing here.
What are all the internal factors and the external factors?
Right.
Sometimes the external factors are things like environmental factors, right?
Workplace environment, relationship quality, financial strain, health issues, changes.
Like we're going through a divorce or a move or some life rocking event.
For sure it will contribute.
We have to look at all of that for sure.
And then the internal factors, things like what are your coping strategies?
How do you cope with stress?
What is your self-care like?
Right?
Boundaries.
Do you know how to set them?
Do you have them?
Do you teach coping skills?
Yeah.
Thank you.
Because I say to so many people, life is so much easier when you have coping skills.
It's not perfect.
Trust me, it's not.
But it's something that I learned a long time ago when I had reached my breaking point and
I saw a therapist and he taught me coping skills.
So I didn't have to worry about being on medication.
And it's hard to remember those skills sometimes.
But I'll tell you one thing, they're life saving and life changing and they really help
reduce the stress when you can sit back, relax and remember how to do it.
I don't think a lot of people have coping skills or know how to implement them.
Yeah, for sure.
Right?
Where did we learn that?
We don't really learn what to do with our emotions.
Not too many people teach it anymore.
It's so true.
And I think if we think about our lives, how did we learn how to deal with emotion?
We don't learn that stuff.
No, what do we do when we're feeling stressed?
So yeah, a lot of what I do is teach tools, strategies, how to support yourself, essentially.
How to support your own self care, how to navigate hard things.
Right?
Because we're going to go through them.
It's part of life.
There's no way around that.
Yeah.
And it's okay to have a me day where I want to stay in my pajamas and stay in bed and pout
and watch stupid movies.
It's okay to cry and not be so hard on yourself if you have days like that because we all
do.
Yes, 100%.
Especially women.
Oh yeah.
And notice how much we judge ourselves for it though, right?
Oh yeah.
So much.
That's what I said to my husband.
I'll have the days where it's like, you know what?
I'm feeling like it's going to be a jammy day.
I'm showering.
I'm getting in my jammies and watching TV.
And then I'll be sitting there and I'll start doing stuff.
And he's like, I thought you were relaxing today.
And I'm like, I felt guilty.
I knew the dishes needed to be done.
I wanted to do this, this and this.
And I felt guilty about having a me day.
So I never do it.
Yeah.
And why do we feel guilty for that?
I don't know.
It can wait until tomorrow.
I should be doing more.
Right?
It's like we should be always doing.
We kind of forget how to just be for sure.
That's why I want to live in Europe where they have four day work weeks and they concentrate
on family and home life.
Right?
I know.
You work.
It's just something.
It's not everything.
Yeah.
It's different.
It's hard because it's against, you know, to slow down and start to make changes in
your life really requires going against the mainstream.
Right?
Because most people are really, really, really running constantly.
So the second piece of my system that I use is a big, you know, part.
It's called, it's what I call restore.
Okay.
Restore well-being for sure.
Burnout in its core is a dysregulated state.
So the nervous system is sort of in hyperdrive or it could be completely like we're completely
fried.
Right?
We're completely exhausted.
So we need to get back to well.
So that piece is about even answering the question.
Like, what do I need?
Right?
A lot of times I ask clients that and they're like, I don't know.
Like, I don't know.
We learn to sort of tune out that voice where we can't even identify our own needs.
But things like sleep, so important, honestly so important.
Things like movement, nutrition, like the quality of what you're eating, who you're
spending time with, your environment, like all of that.
We need to restore that.
And then mind-body practices, you know, getting our physical and our emotional health back
to good.
Right?
That's a big part of it.
It's huge.
And it's hard.
It's not easy.
No.
That's for sure.
The third piece that I really work with clients on is, you know, rewire.
I call it rewire.
So we do a lot of work here.
This is like looking at the things in our life that need to change and actually making
the changes.
And this is where we need support because it's hard to do it on our own.
Right?
So changing or recognizing the patterns that might be contributing.
So things like...
That you've been doing forever.
Your entire life.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
And they're not bad.
Right?
But like things like, I'm a perfectionist.
Right?
I am a doer.
I am like an overachiever.
So many people think about themselves that way.
And it's a strength in a lot of ways.
Right?
I know.
But in the end, we almost like need to harness the strength because in the end it can become
like a double edged sword.
Right?
Yeah.
Like notice how we're contributing.
Right?
How do we shift what needs to be shifted so that we can feel better?
A big piece of this is like self-compassion.
Right?
Rewiring that voice in our head that's always ripping ourselves apart.
Oh yeah.
The self-critic, like all the negative self-talk.
Like the way that we can so readily put ourselves down and be so hard on ourselves.
We need to move out of that.
And there's a lot of, again, good evidence on the importance of self-compassion when
we're trying to overcome burnout or we're trying to get, you know, even just feeling
better in general.
Yeah.
And it seems so hard sometimes.
It is.
Yeah.
It is hard.
Like everything that you're saying here, the three points so far are so hard because you
basically have to break down everything that you have been taught growing up and you've
lived and then reworking it all to make it fit properly or get rid of it.
And that's a lot of work.
Yeah.
And we understand that we need to do that.
Like we just get it logically.
But it's hard.
Totally.
Yeah.
I'll do it next week.
Yeah.
For sure.
And even things like when we're trying to even like go to bed on time or go out for
a walk, like how do we overcome that part of our brain that's like, I don't want to,
you know, I know I should do it, but I still won't follow through.
Right.
That's the beauty of coaching and like helping us, you know, helping ourselves to move forward.
The other piece with the rewire is things like this is hard for people setting boundaries
like super hard for most of us.
Most of us.
Because I think that especially as women, we're sort of conditioned that our value comes
from like doing for other people.
Yes.
Right.
Oh, God.
As soon as you said that, it's like, yeah, we say yes to everybody because we don't want
to be that person.
Yeah.
Right.
And like the people pleasing and saying yes and like over-functioning and doing everything
for everyone and being like a helper.
It's good.
It's not that we shouldn't do those things.
It's not about not doing it, but it's about, you know, being aware of what's driving some
of it and making sure it's like a true yes and not something that we're feeling that
we need to do out of obligation.
Other things like tackling relationships.
That's a big part of the rewire.
Like, what are the challenges that people are having in their relationships both in
and out of the workplace?
So becoming equipped how to have hard conversations, how to speak up, how to ask for support so
hard for so many of us.
Especially when you either are scared of somebody looking down on you or they actually are.
Yeah.
Right.
Because people judge.
It's just what they do.
Right.
And then creating confidence is a really big part of this part, too.
Right.
We lose that sometimes.
But then we become really secure and confident in ourselves so that we can have the life
that we want.
That's the foundation of it all.
We're just broken society.
Yeah.
And the second one, this is my favorite one.
I call it reignite joy.
So this is about defining joy for yourself.
Like, what does it mean to you?
Right.
What does that mean?
Yeah.
And also understanding that it's something that we create.
And that's where we tie in community and connection and meaning and purpose and fun and celebration
and having things that light you up and help you look forward to your days.
So bringing that in because it's so often, it's like we give that piece up.
Yeah.
Right.
And then some people, they feel like I've lost that sense of joy or that spark in my
life.
And that's what we do in that fourth part.
Right.
We learn how to reignite that piece.
It's hard to.
And bring the joy back.
It's hard to keep that going.
We have everything else going.
That's always seems to be the last thing that you think of.
Yes.
What makes you happy.
Yeah.
But we need that.
Oh, for sure.
Burnout is a lot of what we're doing, but it's also what we're not doing.
How long it I know it's different for each person, your program, but in a generalized
like it's obviously not going to happen in a week.
And that's what everybody's looking for is a quick fix.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
And you know, I do.
I would say that people start to see changes early on.
Right.
When we have the support and we have the tools and even when we have the chance to feel empowered,
meaning like when we recognize that we have so much power over our lives, then I think
change happens quicker than we think.
But you're right.
It's not overnight.
And we do need to do work.
But it's not like work in the sense of like, I got to do this thing.
Right.
It's really fun, fulfilling work.
Yeah.
So I don't think there's a one size fits all for sure.
But I would say I work with people typically for 12 weeks at a minimum.
Some stay longer, some stay shorter.
But most I would recommend 12 weeks for sure, because what it does is allows us to start
to do the work that we need to do and to start to actually put it into practice.
You know, like anything else, we're going to get back what we put in.
Right.
So when we start to like want to make changes in our life, we have to commit to those for
sure.
And for ourselves.
Right.
Like we're doing it for for you.
But yeah, I work with people generally for 12 weeks.
I'm actually going to be launching like a new program this fall.
So it's a 12 week program.
You get six sessions with me and I'm bringing in a group component, which I'm so excited
about.
I'm so excited because I think that's the missing piece for a lot of people.
Honestly, we know that we heal in community.
There's lots of studies, you know, even out of there was a Harvard study that showed it
was like decades long.
But they followed men throughout their life to see like who is the happiness?
What is it like?
Who is the happiest?
What does it really depend on?
What they found is that relationships and connection quality of connection is the greatest
predictor of happiness.
So I think for a lot of us, like a lot of people are lonely, right?
Even when we're surrounded by people.
So I really want to bring in that sense of community.
So I'm going to start, you know, a group coaching component that I'm really, really excited
about.
It's a really great idea because then not only are you just saying you're not alone,
you're showing it.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, there's nothing better than having coffee with somebody and being able to commiserate
about the same thing that we don't always have time to do.
So this they're going to have time to say, hey, it's happening to me too.
And yeah, there's so much of each other, so much power in relating like that.
Right.
And see, you know, even if you're watching somebody else be coached, it's you're learning.
We're learning, right?
Because a lot of the central themes are the same, right?
The situations might be different, but a lot of what we experience as people is very universal.
Well, and a lot of times, like if you're talking to me and saying, you know, you should be
feeling like this or you should be doing this, you're kind of almost put on the spot.
It's like, oh, it's too much to take in.
But when you're watching somebody, you saying it to somebody else, sometimes it resonates
a little bit better.
I find.
You're so right.
Yeah.
Because you're not right in it.
You can start to see it.
Yeah.
You panic when somebody's talking to you.
You're like, OK.
Yeah.
It's really vulnerable and hard to do that sometimes.
Right.
But there's like beauty in seeing somebody else be coached.
So yeah, I'm hoping I'm going to bring in why I'm bringing in a group component, which
I think is going to be really awesome for a lot of people.
Now, how many people are going to be in that group?
I don't know.
I'm hoping like I'm hoping I'll probably keep it to 10 to 15 to keep it small group
and then have multiple groups if needed.
Right.
But I think, you know, I've done group coaching in the past and I feel like it's just like
an amazing experience for most people who are in that group just to bring people together.
But yeah, we know that sense of community is important.
And I think it's something that even though we're more connected than ever in so many
ways, there's in a lot of areas like we're lacking that community that we used to have.
Oh, for sure.
Now, one thing I did want to ask you is when you're finding that people are experiencing
the burnout and I had alluded to it at the beginning, especially with women, that sometimes
it's a hormone thing.
Do you look at that as well to see if it works along like, OK, you're more stressed out during
a hunt?
Yeah, we were.
Times and yes, that's a great question for sure.
Like we know that emotional and physical is very connected for sure.
There's always a lot of factors and many are physical.
Yeah.
So I can look at that and I do look at the all of the aspects.
But as far as hormonal health, I would link, you know, collaborate with other providers
who that is their expertise.
So that's a lot of an NP role to write as a collaborative practice where that circle
of care is so important, like making sure each person has the care that they need surrounding
them.
Oh, great.
Now, when you start this group program in the fall, do you know where that's going to
be located yet or is it so it's actually all virtual?
Oh, it's all going to be virtual clients all throughout Ontario.
OK, some out of Ontario.
So it's going to be virtual.
So is your practice virtual or it's all virtual?
Fully virtual.
Yeah.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah.
You know, it's hard.
Some people are not used to that, right, especially I think with like things like counseling,
we're used to very traditional in person.
But I think it's great, right, especially for women who are completely busy.
Right.
I have people that I coach in their cars on their lunch.
So it's just convenient and it allows me to reach people and people like me to work
with people who I probably couldn't have otherwise.
So it'll be like a big zoom.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's all secure.
And we actually work virtually.
Yeah.
Now, how can somebody sign up for that?
So you could visit my website.
It's I think it'll be in the show notes maybe.
Yes.
So www.christindacarlo.com.
OK.
And there's some information there.
But really, you could email me.
My information is all on my web page.
And I offer free discovery calls, so free consultations to come in and talk to me and
see if it's a good fit for you and to ask questions.
And I can tell you about the different ways that you can work with me.
I also work with people just on a one-on-one basis, like a per session basis.
OK.
So that's there as well.
And is there going to be any fees for the group program or is it?
Yeah.
So it'll be like a one fee for the whole program.
OK.
And the program includes group calls as well as the one-on-one sessions, as well as I have
an online sort of like a platform, like a database where there's self study.
So for people who are busy, I say that and they freak out.
They're like, don't give me any more work.
But some people, it's not work, right?
It's there to sort of like deepen this journey for yourself, right?
So some people want to learn more.
They want to do some work on different areas.
So I have a database where there's different topics, confidence, relationships, how to
manage conflict, how to process emotion, like all of that.
I have self guided study as well.
So that's something that a lot of people find really helpful.
That sounds like a lot of really helpful tools.
I mean, just thinking that those tools are available there, I'm feeling a little less
stressed, knowing that it's out there and not that hard once you put your mind to it.
Yeah, it's fun.
It's just once you get there, it's getting here that's the worst.
Yeah, and you know, and try to make it as easy and I don't want to say quick, but easy
as possible for people who are busy, this is not meant to make work, but to add value,
right?
So when you're struggling in your life, I want to make it easy for you to make the changes
that you want to.
So I try to provide that high level of support that you need, that guidance, that like safe
space that's free of judgment, where you can just like let it all out.
You know what?
We've all been there.
I think that alone is like life changing for a lot of people just to have that place where
they can just be honest and share and get it out and know how to move forward.
That's a big key.
That's perfect.
I am so, so glad I got to talk to you finally and to learn about this and to know that we
have programs like this available because I think there's a lot of people, including
me that would benefit from just learning how to cope with life.
Definitely.
Yes, for sure.
And thank you so much for having me.
This was amazing.
I was so happy to talk to you.
I really appreciated Kristen.
And again, I was talking to Kristen DiCarlo, a nurse practitioner here in Windsor, Ontario.
And my name is Tracy Martens.
And I want to thank you for joining me for another episode of YQG in Bloom.
You guys have a great day.