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Hey there, my name is Tracy Martens and I want to thank you for joining me for another

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episode of YQG In Bloom here at Wolf and Rebel on Seminole and Drouillard in Windsor.

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And I have with me Josie Elysia.

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Yeah, you got it right.

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I know it's very unique.

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And she is a content creator.

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She's a creator.

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She's a teacher.

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You do a little bit of everything.

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I do.

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I just kind of dabble in everything.

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Wherever my passion is kind of like, whenever they flare up really, I just kind of indulge

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them and I follow them and that's why I do a little bit of everything.

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So what is your main thing right now that you've been doing?

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So my main thing right now is content creation and influencing.

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So my primary platform is Instagram.

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I do a lot within like the beauty and fashion niches.

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And then as my actual full time job, my real job, I do teaching at St. Clair College in

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the PR and the journalism program, primarily focused on social media as well.

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They really go hand in hand, which is nice because I can take the content I'm creating

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and then use it to influence my lesson planning and to help showcase different things.

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I'm trying to teach my students and things like that.

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And then it's nice because then I can kind of take things that my students are also helping

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me with.

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So they're younger than me, right?

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So they kind of, they keep me informed about what's going on, different trends.

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I can use that in my own content as well.

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Although you don't look old enough to be a teacher, I'm sorry.

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I don't know if that's good skin, good makeup, but whatever it is, it's wonderful.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's a lot of good skincare, but St. Clair, they're really good with hiring

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their own.

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So like I did, I did a lot of schooling.

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I have, oh, I think eight years of formal education under my belt and, um, you know,

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not to knock the university or anything like that, but college is really what gets you

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jobs nowadays.

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Like one of your students, Dale, he's out all over the place and he's doing a fabulous

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job.

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He does so much.

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He's a star.

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He really is.

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And he's got a passion for it.

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Do all your students have that passion?

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Going into that field.

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Yeah, you know, it's very, it's hidden.

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Miss, like you see people who kind of go into it, not really knowing if they're going to

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like it or not.

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And sometimes you see those ones flourish because they discover like the aspects of

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the program that they really do like, because there's a lot of different things within like

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journalism and PR that we, that we teach.

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Like there's film, there's the social media aspect, there's your traditional kind of reporting,

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your freelancing, like there's, there's a lot that you can do within the programs.

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And sometimes they find something that, that really resonates with them.

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Sometimes not so much.

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And you know, we lose them and they go elsewhere and they hopefully find different programs

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that you know, better jive with them.

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But they tend to learn that within the first, say like month, maybe month or two.

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And it's, it's, it's for the best, you know, like you don't want, you don't want someone

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in who's there, who doesn't really want to be there because then they're not putting

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in the effort.

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You're trying to have them put in the efforts.

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It's like pulling teeth.

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It's like, is it really worth it?

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No, it's not worth it for anyone.

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The journalism, the social media, the P that program has so many different aspects now

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where before it was just journalism or you do TV or, and it was just very niche and narrow.

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And there's so many different areas that they can branch out to now.

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It's a really good program.

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Oh, it's so cool.

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And they revamped the journalism program as of this year.

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So they, they really changed it to incorporate a lot more social media.

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So before like we were doing like these very small, like one hour classes.

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Now they get like this huge three hour class.

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So like, I get to spend so much more time with them and like get just so much more in

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depth, which, you know, it's good because pretty much every job you have to have some

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sort of knowledge with social media.

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Like every company wants some sort of social media, marketing or communications, right?

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It's the only way to get it out there anymore.

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Yeah.

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Get your voice heard.

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A hundred percent.

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Cause I mean, we have our traditional forms, you know, radio, television, all that stuff,

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but it's expensive, you know, social media, it's, it's a free organic way to get your

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voice heard.

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You just need somebody who knows what they're doing and you know, you want those people

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to be trained.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So you are a content creator and influencer and you said that was makeup based or?

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So I, I, um, do a lot within the, uh, beauty and the fashion niches.

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It's interesting cause I, I didn't really set out to do that, but, um, it kind of happened

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during COVID.

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Um, so I was working in corporate communications.

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I had like a great job and then COVID happened and I lost my job and I was like, Oh, what

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am I going to do?

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So I started doing, um, live streaming, which was pretty new to me.

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I wasn't too familiar with it, but I was stuck at home.

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I liked talking to people.

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Like I liked being social and so that gave me that social aspect.

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And it also offered me some sort of, um, wage cause they were, there was like a base pay.

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What I didn't like about it was there's so many creeps.

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There's so many creepy people online.

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And when you are live streaming, people will like gift you.

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Like, it's very similar to like how the tick tock gifting type things work.

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Or if you're watching a Twitch streamer, you can gift them.

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It's like that, but it was like a different app.

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When I was on there, I was doing, I was like playing my guitar and having people request

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songs.

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So if you wanted to request a song, you'd have to get a lot of people were doing those

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things.

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Yeah.

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Cause it's like, I have a talent.

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Let me use this town.

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I can make some money at home.

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You know, why not?

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I can make some makeup tutorials, teach people things and whatever.

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So I would do the two things.

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But then, um, as more and more people kind of came onto the app, they started to do more

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for less and more for less and then more skin for less.

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And I'm like, I don't really want to do any of that.

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Like not really white cup of tea.

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Like this stuff is forever.

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If my face has got to be in it, I'm not doing it.

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Exactly.

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I already had to do my makeup every day to like go just live on camera.

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Cause you want to look your best, whatever.

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So I got in the habit of doing my makeup and taking pictures and putting out little promo

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flyers on like Instagram, Facebook, like, Oh, come watch my live stream.

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And so after I stopped, I was like, you know what?

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I still kind of like makeup.

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Like I have so much makeup now.

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Like, why don't I just keep doing my makeup?

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And so I did.

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And that's just kind of how my Instagram started, which is me doing my makeup.

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Very well, mind you.

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Hey, you learn.

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Yeah, I did learn.

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I learned fast, but I go back and I look at the old video sometimes and I'm like, wow,

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like I thought that looked good.

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And people are like, Oh yeah, girl, you look great.

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I'm like, you're lying.

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Stop lying to me.

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You're talking makeup and I'm remembering, I forgot to put on my lipstick.

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You gotta have a little extra because you start losing that pigmentation as you get

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older.

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And you're telling me, I'm like, Oh, you just gotta lift the skin off.

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I know I'm starting to think about buying that tape.

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I've seen the tape.

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I'm like, is that real?

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Is that like a filter?

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Like, you know what?

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It's funny because like people talk about the filters and like how they make them feel

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bad, right?

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Because you put on the filter, you're like, Oh yeah, I look amazing.

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You take it off.

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You're like, Yikes.

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And it's interesting because I've definitely fallen into that trap where like I always

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want to use filters.

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And then I'm like, Oh, I don't like my face anymore.

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But what I've learned is I can use a filter and then learn to do my makeup like that filter.

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That is a great idea.

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Yeah.

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And so like my go-to everyday sort of makeup look now is based on a filter that I really

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liked on Tik Tok.

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And since I've been like doing my makeup that way, people are always like, Oh wow, like

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I really like your makeup.

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I really like your makeup.

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And I'm like, it's just this Tik Tok filter I was copying.

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But that's how the trends change.

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Cause like you said, I took aesthetics program.

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We're talking probably about 25 years ago and I got the full makeup, the whole bit and

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the makeup today has changed so much from then.

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Like we didn't have all the highlighting and the contouring that we had the purple stick

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to get rid of red marks.

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You had the yellow, the green stick to get rid of your dark.

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That's all we had.

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We didn't have this contour, the highlights and these brown and white streaks all over

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the place.

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I want to learn how to use it.

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It's very complicated.

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I want a Kim Kardashian this.

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Like I never even thought of using it.

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Using one of those filters to take it.

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Cause I mean, it's one thing to watch someone else do their makeup and like, be like, okay,

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like this is how you get the look.

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Cause then you copy it and it's like, okay, well it doesn't look the same.

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Cause your face isn't the same, right?

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Like the contours are different, the structure is different, but these filters now they're

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like made with like AI and stuff.

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So like it maps onto your face the way it should look for your face.

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So if you just copy it exactly, it's going to look great every time.

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So how many videos do you or tutorials do you put out?

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That's a great question.

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Like weekly, monthly.

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I am a overachiever, I guess let's say.

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I put out content daily.

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So every day there is something new.

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It might not be a tutorial.

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I do a lot of product reviews cause like right now we're in like the Christmas season.

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We just had like black Friday, cyber Monday, all those crazy kind of promo sorts of deals.

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So there's just been a lot of brand content to get through.

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So lots of product reviews.

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I like to do like oily skincare tips cause I have oily skin and I'm like, well, this

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So maybe they'll work for you type things.

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Your general unboxings.

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I do fashion for like midsize women.

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Generally with online fashion retailers, sometimes I do thrifted finds.

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I'll do get the looks.

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And this is where I'm actually like going through like a full tutorial of like, this

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is how I did my eyeshadow or this is how I blended out my, my ombre lipstick or things

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like that.

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Sometimes I'll feature specific products that I think would help.

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Um, like a specific concern.

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I've just gone into like hair influencing, which I didn't even know was a thing, but

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hair influencing and yeah, like wig reviews, like all like the, the world is your oyster

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when it comes to beauty because there's just, there's so much.

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How do you, cause you said that you're an influencer.

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Yeah.

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Now, how do you stand out from the rest?

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Cause I mean, there's so many that are content creators.

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What makes yours stand out?

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What makes me me?

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I think I try to let my personality shine through when I'm like doing my content.

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And I think that's, that's probably the only thing you can do.

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Cause I mean, I do hop on trends.

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Like I do like to use like, uh, transitions that I, they see that they're really cool

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and they'll try to like copy them or like put my own spin on them and that sort of thing.

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And that can get a bit generic or formulaic, but where I think I stand out is just that

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I try to be like me where I'm fun and I'm bubbly and I'm like, you're internet best

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seat.

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I was thinking bubbly when you were saying it, you are very bubbly.

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So I try to bring that to my content and I like to have like just bright and fun content.

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I've been like a bit more like moody and like my outfits I'm covered in cat fur by the way,

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so I have cats, but um, I've been doing like this kind of like not monochromatic, but just

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darker kind of themes lately with pops of color.

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And I'm still trying to keep the color.

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Cause I like that happy, positive, bright kind of eye.

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That's great.

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So can I ask how many followers do you have on Instagram?

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I think right now I'm sitting at just over 44,000 followers.

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Yeah.

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So it's been like, it's like amassing over time.

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Like it, it dips in it.

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It were, I guess, ebbs and flows.

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That is amazing though for, for somebody from Windsor.

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Yeah, right.

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Windsor putting that on the map, right?

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Now, do you do TikTok as well as Instagram?

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I have started up on TikTok.

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I'm, I'm struggling with that algorithm.

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I really am too.

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Maybe I'm old.

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I don't know.

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I don't get it.

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I'm swear to goodness I'm the same way as like, I can put out some really good content

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and it's yeah, it tanks, but then something stupid will get like 12,000 or two, 3000.

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It's like really my most popular video on TikTok makes no sense.

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And it's a, actually a deodorant that I bought from here.

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It's a salt, a Thai crystal salt deodorant.

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And I was just, I bought it.

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I thought it was the coolest thing and I was reviewing it and it just like blew up for

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no reason.

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And I'm like, okay, whatever.

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I've done videos like it since nothing trash.

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And I'm like, all right, well, I don't really understand this, but it's fine.

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I don't understand TikTok either because I've had it where they've said, if you put out

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longer content, then you're going to get more followers.

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Yeah.

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So then you put out longer content, then they're going well, you know, shorter is better.

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And I'm finding that other than that one video, I did one video right before a podcast where

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a gentleman had an absence bar in his house.

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So I basically just took my phone and he was making me an absence and I had them describe

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it.

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It got like 12,600 views.

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Isn't that interesting?

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But then other ones that I've tried haven't worked as well, but it seems the ones that

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worked the best on TikTok for me are just pictures set to music.

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And I'll get a ton.

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It's like, okay.

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I was in Port Stanley in the summer for a day trip.

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I was like, people went nuts for it.

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And I'm like, whatever.

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It's hard to like figure it out.

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So I prefer Instagram where I know.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, okay, these are my people.

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This is what they like.

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They always respond to it.

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I'm going to keep at it.

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Even YouTube shorts, I've posted a bit over there and sometimes, you know, I'll get like

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a bunch of views, a bunch of likes.

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And other times it's like, oh, here's like 10 views.

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I know I put out literally two almost identical shorts, but obviously different people.

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And one got a few hundred, which is great.

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And the other got like 11.

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Great.

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No rhyme or reason.

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Same hashtags, same everything.

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So I'm going to stick with big YouTube and the podcast and Instagram.

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And yeah, I'm going to start watching you a little bit more to learn how to look at

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heck of a lot better.

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That's for sure.

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You look nice.

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Don't make anybody vomit.

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That's finished that milkshake demo talk.

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And then my husband, he'll scream later when he says, stop talking to people off the screen

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because we can't hear them.

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Talk to me for a second because I want to know the story about why I was a part of your

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presentation at school.

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Oh, that's a good question.

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I sent it to me and I was like, give me a story.

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I was like, I don't know what's going on.

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Okay.

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So you use my little grandson Jake here?

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Yeah, I follow both of you on Instagram.

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So like, I like to follow local people in Windsor because I've always been interested in

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like local events and that sort of thing.

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Like I used to use like the Windsor write a lot to see like what was going on around

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town and I just don't use websites a lot anymore.

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Right.

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It's just like, whatever.

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I'm always on Instagram.

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And so I'm not even sure how I came across your accounts.

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It might've just been like searching through like YQG or like Windsor or like something

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like that.

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But I'm like, oh, like these people look cool.

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Like, okay.

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Like they're talking about local stuff, like featuring it.

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And so I think that's why I followed you originally.

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And throughout my classes, I will use you local people generally as examples for like

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content creators and like, oh, like this is what you could do.

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Like this is people who are doing things well.

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Sorry.

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These are things that are being done well.

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And like showcasing that as like potentials or even like people that you could like potentially

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talk to for like interviews and that kind of thing.

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But yeah, so I think, I think that's why that came up.

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It was one of those moments I told Dale, I said it kind of put into perspective for me.

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Like what I'm actually doing kind of out there and makes a difference and people watch it.

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Oh yeah.

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100%.

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I was just making fun videos and like, like screwed around with stuff.

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And I never even wanted an Instagram.

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Yeah.

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Like what is like, oh, here's someone teaching it in school about how to do a collaboration

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with, you know, I'm like, oh, so people are actually paying attention.

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100%.

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Like the moment in my head that it clicked, I was like, oh, I'm onto something or like,

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you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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It's just that moment for me.

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And he would never put his, his face on Instagram.

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He didn't want it on there until we went to a market and it was just a stupid random thing.

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And for some reason it finally went.

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Now we can't get them off.

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We can't get them off Instagram.

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Well, I love it.

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It's just like a fun creative outlet because I'm so busy with work all the time.

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But it's like, I know it's just fun and yeah, working with something I've always done during

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the pandemic.

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Okay.

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I commissioned local artists to do ramp stuff all the time.

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Well, that's sweet.

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It was like my pandemic project was just kind of like supporting people when everything

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was closed and that kind of thing.

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My friend was like, why don't you just post it on Instagram?

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Yeah.

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So that's what I started doing.

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And I was like, okay, well, I'm doing it anyway.

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So I went as well as, you know, but then when I saw your post, I lost it.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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I lost it a lot of times.

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No, I think so much good was born out of that pandemic.

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It just really made people go back to their passions.

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And no, I think highlighting things around Windsor, it's so important.

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And you would be surprised how many people come out of the media plaques and they're

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like, well, what do I do now?

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How do I make money?

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And it's like, well, you can freelance and you can freelance by collaborating with people

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collaborating with businesses because a lot of businesses don't have the means of the

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funds to have like a dedicated social media department or marketing department.

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But maybe you have like one off projects.

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Right.

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And so showcasing someone like you, it's like, okay, well, look at what he's doing.

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Maybe you could do something like that.

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Maybe you could work with him even.

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Right.

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So it's just like giving them like ideas.

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Because like, I like what you do.

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I think it's very cool.

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Yeah, no, I like it.

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I think it's very fun.

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I mean, every day I kind of learn something new in terms of, you know, what is I like

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and what I'm going to do next.

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And I realized that if I'm going to work, which I have to, I'm not, you know, privileged

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enough to not work.

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But if I'm going to work, I want to enjoy the work that I'm doing.

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And so I teach, I create content, I dabble in music, but you know, I don't make money

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off music.

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I like it.

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And if maybe one day it turns into like a pursuit that actually pays and like, cool,

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that's amazing.

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Right.

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But I just find that if I can follow my passions and grow them, then maybe money will follow.

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That's all we can, any of us can hope for.

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But as long as we are doing what makes us happy, that's all that matters.

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Yeah.

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Thank you so much for joining me today.

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I really appreciate it.

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Thank you for having me.

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Thank you.

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And again, my name is Tracy.

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Thank you so much for joining me at Wolf & Rebel for another episode of YQG In Bloom.

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Have a good one.