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This is MJ. I'm an author. I'm an artist. I'm an analyzer. Find all my work at MJMunoz.com

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Join me for a GMC workshop. A peek under the hood

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Reveals that you need a fine-tuned goal, motivation, and conflict if you want your characters to take off and wow your audience

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This is story over everything episode 18. What's my goal motivation and conflict?

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all right, so

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To put a fine point on it to be real succinct about it because I'm going to start

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Simple and then expand out from there goal can be said to be the outer or superficial layer of the plot

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while motivation is the deeper aspect that is about the story and

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Conflict is the opposing force or forces that draw out and reveal the underlying motivation that propels the hero to the goal

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so basically

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Expand well, no, I'm gonna expand on it through my example. So in my first example

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I'm going to talk about the hero the main character from

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Lloyd Alexander's the purdain Chronicles whose name is Taryn Taryn. We don't know what

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Because he doesn't have a last name anyway

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His goal is to become a hero and prove himself worthy of being a great warrior

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Throughout the series he seeks to earn the respect and admiration of those around him and to become a leader in the fight against

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the evil forces threatening purdain

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Tarn's motivation for becoming a hero is rooted in his desire to protect the people he cares about and make a difference in the world

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He is motivated by a deep sense of responsibility to use his skills and abilities to help others and fight for what is right

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Tarn faces both internal and external conflict throughout the series internally

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he struggles with doubts about his own abilities and fears and

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station as well and that

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He may not be strong enough to achieve his goals externally

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he faces numerous obstacles including dangerous enemies challenging quests and difficult choices that test his resolve and boy the

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If you haven't heard read of the purdain or if you haven't read the purdain Chronicles, it's really good stuff the

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Disney movie the black cauldron is actually

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the book of three which is the first in the purdain Chronicles and

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It's not as well anyway, the books always better than the movie but like is really better

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And the whole series is just incredible. It's

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it quickly

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outshone my love of

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Chronicles of Narnia and Lord of the Rings and

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That's pretty impressive because I like those things a lot anyway

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Continue talking about Tarn and his goal motivation conflict in the first book of the series the book of three Tarn sets out to find

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The missing pig Henwen, but he quickly becomes embroiled in a much larger conflict involving the evil Horned King

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Tarn must face his own fears and doubts as well as battles against powerful enemies and obstacles that threaten his life and

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the lives of those he cares about so

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He ends up you know he and in the beginning of it. He wants to be a great hero

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there's actually something great that that Alexander does that ties like the first book and I

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Guess the fourth not the fifth book together, which is that?

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he's

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Apprenticing as a blacksmith and he's supposed to be making horseshoes, but instead of making horseshoes. He tries to make a sword and

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Play with it or not play. Yeah, he's playing hero with it and

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It's a really great moment because it symbolizes that he's not doing what he

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Wants to be doing he wants something more he wants something greater for himself his motivation is to be this great hero and do great deeds and

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The conflict is that he's stuck in a place where he can't do that

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That's his first internal conflict and then as things go throughout the series

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He's not sure he's worthy of those things and even if he is worthy other people don't quite see him that way

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And he kind of has to prove himself to himself, and it's just really lovely really wonderful

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There's so much good with him, but I don't want to get lost on that one

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I move on to talk about my other examples, so the next one I'm going to talk about is Voldemort

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So I'm going to tell you how you can frame the Harry Potter series

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From Voldemort's perspective to look at his goal motivation and conflict so here we go

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Voldemort's main goal is to achieve immortality and ultimate power he believes that

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So sorry getting back to Voldemort

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Voldemort's main goal is to achieve immortality and ultimate power

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He believes that he can only achieve this by becoming the most powerful wizard in the world and by creating a new world or a new order

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where those who are born with magic ability are superior to those without

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Voldemort's motivation comes from his dramatic upbringing and his desire to escape from the poverty and oppression he experienced as a child

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He believes that he was born to be great and that he is entitled to rule over others which fuels his ambition and desire for power

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Additionally his belief in pure blood supremacy is motivated by a desire to protect the magical world from what he sees as the dilution and corruption of magic

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by muggles and half-bloods

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Voldemort's main conflicts arise from his desire for power and his belief in pure blood supremacy

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He faces opposition from those who seek to oppose him particularly Harry Potter and the order of the Phoenix additionally his desire

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For immortality requires him to take extreme measures such as creating horcruxes

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which brings him into conflict with others and puts him at risk and

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This is a book that not a lot of people

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Well, it's really much less known than Prudane and Harry Potter

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But it's arsenal full metal superhero and I gotta be honest

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I listen to these books all of them all nine of them in a blitz

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So I don't remember certain things like the bad guys name plus it's also kind of a spoiler. So, um, I'm gonna lean on that but

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Arsenal full metal superhero has a goal motivation conflict and these are what they are

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He wants to save the earth from overwhelming alien invaders by secretly taking over the world including controlling dozens of super humans

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His motivation is self-preservation. He thinks this is the only way to win against the aliens

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He takes a utilitarian approach and is willing to sacrifice many for more

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Many people's lives for more people's lives. So it's not like a one person's life can be sacrificed and you can save everybody itself

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It's lots of people but then you can save billions, right?

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Who cares if you kill a million if you can save a billion or billions, right?

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That's his idea his conflict is Amelia Lockhart who becomes arsenal in order to find her parents and keep

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And keeps on going as a professional superhero because she wants to and can do good things

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It starts to uncover his plan as she investigates what happened to her parents

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I started off at the top with talking about the definition of them and I think it's a really good succinct

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Definition of you know, that's what drives the story. That's what the motivation is what drives the character

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It's from something within them and it drives them to go through all the conflicts

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Which are the obstacles in their way of them getting to their goal?

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But you know that motivation the engine propels them into the conflict

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That motivation the engine propels them through and past those obstacles so that they can get to where they need to get

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Anyway, I have a series of questions that I think we can

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Uh, i'm gonna ask and you can either think about these on your own

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I'm gonna ask them all and then i'm gonna come back over each one of them

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And as a thought experiment, I will go through them. I'll spend a couple minutes on each one and

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See what answers I come up with so

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For you and me to have these questions down and you can look in the show notes, of course on mjmunus.com

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Here are the questions. Do you have a favorite character motivation? This is the internal thing that keeps them going through all their struggles

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Can the same motivation lead a character to achieve different goals or rather?

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Can the same motivation lead multiple characters to achieve different goals said one more way?

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Can let's say five characters have the same motivation

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But that leads them to different goals

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Next question can the same goals be reached by characters with different motivations? So that's kind of the reverse of that

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Next question should you apply gmc to every character? Does everyone need a goal motivation conflict?

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How is goal motivation conflict different from wants versus needs and that's

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Something i'm going to think about now is something i'm going to talk about later because i'm going to do a wants versus needs

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workshop as well

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Does applying gmc to villains make them better?

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Is world domination the most common villain goal?

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And could a hero have the goal of world domination?

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So again, i'm going to go ahead and address those now you can see them in the show notes

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You can rewind the episode to see what those were

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And then go ahead and respond to those questions

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Do I have a favorite character motivation? I honestly love

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redemption

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Seeking redemption for oneself

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Trying to redeem others those are very strong character motivations for me

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To get himself blown up with vader and the emperor and it would have also saved his friends and done other things

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They both died in a fiery explosion

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That second chance or that you know next chance to come back and make your mistakes and a character seeking that for other people is really

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beautiful and touching and then i'm also motivated I think because

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They you know, they caused it and now they have to clean up their mess and I don't know if that really means that like ownership or

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I can't think of any stories specifically with that. I mean i'm kind of thinking about like, uh, iron man

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Propels the whole story of that movie. But really even in the iron man movie the first one

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Bad things that are being done with his family his company's weapons and he

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seeks to destroy the weapons with his own, you know iron man suit weapon and

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He's rectifying that and he's doing it through the means he knows how to which is through creating this ultimate weapon of war

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delicately and so surgically that it is used to

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I really like that

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That's probably my favorite but I that's all that's what i'm thinking off the top of my head

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Of a common writer show specifically, but let me think can the same motivation

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The same internal motivation lead characters to achieve different goals

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Yes, that has to be true, but I can't think of any story examples

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With heroes and villains who share a common or who are like foils to each other that one of them

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Uh was hurt in a certain way. Well, let's just put it this way

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that he doesn't like bullies and he

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Him and he instead of becoming a bully himself

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He becomes this great guardian and protector and defender of those who need assistance

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Do whatever they want to to other people I guess you could say in a way maybe uh

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What does it cost you everything? Um should have gone for the head. I don't even know who you are. You know who i'm talking about

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Thanos there we go

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In a way, they're kind of like foils to each other, which is something I never thought about before

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Uh moving on from that one. Can the same goals be reached or same goal be reached by characters with different motivations?

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I would say yes. The best example I can think off the top of my head is common writer x-aid written by yuya takahashi who?

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Was kind of a newish writer to common writer

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About I don't know eight years ago or so. I think that might be how old x-aid is and common writer x-aid

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First of all commoner is a japanese show for kids. It's meant to sell toys

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But it's also meant to tell compelling to sell toys by selling by telling it sells toys by telling compelling stories with the ridiculous

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Designs from bandai, which is the company that made made like the power rangers, you know robots and the gundam robots and uh,

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But regardless, uh in that show there are these computer virus things

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Sort of maybe from video games that come into real the real world and they infect people

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And make them sick they give them game sickness. I think is what it's called

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Which I won't go into now. It's ridiculous. It's great

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It's fun that enables them to fight these things and only they can fight these things with their technology

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um who ends up fighting these

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destroying people

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Not taking over the world. It's just like hurting people and and yeah just hurting people because they're doctors

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So their goal is to save people's lives, but each of them has a different motivation which causes them to want to save people's lives

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And there's a whole range there and it's very interesting and that's something I actually love seeing in that show

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So moving on to the next question, uh, should you apply

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Goal motivation and a conflict to every character. I want to say yes

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I think that's a good idea. Uh, you know, what about the shock keeper? Yeah, why not?

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Um, what about the uh, you know

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mook sure

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give the mook a gmc and

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You know, maybe if you do that if you take a couple minutes to think about the various people that your heroes are going to face

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You won't have them savagely mow down everybody in their path

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Giving a thought taking a minute or two for each character

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Would be useful

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Uh grow bug books so far. I've given both the children

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And the grow bugs who are these guardian angel type characters who help them out a goal motivation and conflict

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Have I given the films a goal motivation conflict?

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Entities that prey on children

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And well their motivation is to keep living and their goal is to prey on these children so they can keep doing that

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And the conflict is obviously the children not wanting that and the grow bugs, you know stopping them

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Okay, uh, let's see

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How is goal motivation and conflict different from wants versus needs?

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I'm gonna say right now. I don't know 100 I will get back to that in the wants versus needs episode specifically, but i'm gonna guess

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That because a want is an external thing that the character

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improve their life somehow and the need is an

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internal thing that they actually

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That and that when they take or when they get the need as opposed to the want

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It makes them okay with not having the need

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Or it makes them okay with when they get the need they

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Are able to let go of wanting the want and they're able to move on to something else

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that the need

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directly tied to motivation

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Like a goal

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But it's not quite the same thing

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That's my answer for now i'll explore that more in a future episode in a future workshop

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Okay, then does applying goal motivation and conflict to villains make them better I think it absolutely does

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I want a villain who's fleshed out to some extent and

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That it makes sense for them to be doing what they're doing

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If they're out of balance and have lost themselves because I don't think any villain

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I think every villain has lost themselves

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Knowing what their

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Gold motivation and conflict are or really just their gold motivation. Um, well because the hero is their conflict. Um,

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But you can have a you know, actually if you think about that if you pause and think about it

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They will have had other conflicts that could be other villains. It could be other people who don't even get to see in stories

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Um telling a villain side of the story is not a bad idea and it doesn't automatically mean that they have to be

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sympathetic or good

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But you can understand them and you can try to understand them

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And still come away with oh, this is a bad person. You might be sympathetic or empathetic towards them

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But you can still condemn their you know, villainous actions, which I think is the right conclusion to draw

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Is world domination the most common villain goal? I think so. I think it's pretty simple

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I think most villain goals are rooted in some sort of selfish motivation

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Even if it's that they were victimized or abused and then they want to adopt the practices of the victimizer abuser

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So that doesn't happen to them again. They're

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Selfish because they're not going through the growth. They're not accepting their lumps and

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Growing and being changed internally from that they may change themselves externally

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They may corrupt themselves more but they're not actually going through the process of being

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a better stronger person like the heroes have to in reaction to the

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Actions of the villains or the cruel world that the heroes find themselves cast in

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Um, but yeah, I think it's the most common I can't think of the second one. I guess revenge would be the next most common villain

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motivation

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But those things can carry you a long way I think

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And then could a hero have the goal of world domination? I mentioned that the bad guy from arsenal had the

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goal of world domination for the sake of saving billions he would sacrifice millions and

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Don't know. I don't know if a hero could have the goal of world domination. It certainly doesn't sound like it

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It depends on how they went about

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I don't know if a hero could have the goal of world domination. It certainly doesn't sound like it. It depends on how they went about

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Dominating the world

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Uh, the closest thing I can think of it's a light novel turned anime. It's called log horizon

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You have a character the main character in there whose name I don't quite remember at the moment

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But it's an isekai they get it's they get people playing a video game get sucked into a computer game

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And then they have to figure out how to live

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How to live in this world and they face interesting challenges

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But basically and it's funny even though he's a good guy and he's a nice person

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The players refer to this particular character shiro

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I think it's shiro as the villain in glasses or the villain with glasses because he wears glasses and he

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Has the capacity to like map as if he's a villainous mastermind

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think of all these plans and ways to manipulate and coordinate things so that he can

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Get his desired outcome and

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Uh, it's actually a really fun show. I'm sure the book's better, but the show is really fun and uh,

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It's interesting to see

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someone with that, you know mastermind villain

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persona and

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mentality

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Use that for good because that's what he continuously does it for good and for the betterment of his friends and the people

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Uh who aren't so much his friends around him and even the people in the game world the npcs because they actually turn out to be

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alive somehow

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And uh, that's very interesting. I don't know that he wants to dominate the world, but he definitely

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Takes great

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He almost does a world domination plot and it's really interesting because it's all virtuous and

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I don't quite know how that works out, but it does and it's very exciting. It's very cool to watch

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Um, it's a very interesting story a very interesting approach to the story

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and there's like combat and things like that to some extent, but there's a lot of just like

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Figuring out how to make society work and uh, it's pretty interesting

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Uh, those are all my thoughts. Those are all my answers to those questions

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I would love to hear your thoughts on all of those and your input on all those questions that I raised

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and your assessment of my

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uh

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Presentation of goal motivation and conflict and how it applies to these different stories. I mentioned the chronicles of boudin

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Voldemort from harry potter and arsenal or the villain from arsenal full metal superhero

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As well as log horizon now, which I will add that to my notes real quick. Um

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So yeah, I would love to hear your perspective on this and

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I hope that you check out the next episode

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Uh, I don't remember. Let's see. What is the next episode going to be next episode will be oh a story machine

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So I believe that's going to be me talking about some progress on my girl bug books as well as sharing

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a story idea with you and then

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After that at the end of the month, we have robin hood

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Uh, howard piles robin hood, which i'll be doing a casual book chat on that one

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And i'm actually almost done actually today. I almost finished listening to the book

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I have one chapter left to read and i've been making notes all along for the book chat

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So we'll see how that goes and i'm pretty excited about that

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If you don't know about that yet, i'm reading howard piles the merry adventures of robin hood

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And inviting you to do the same and join me at the end of the month for the book chat

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um so that you can

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Weigh in and hear me talk about this fabulous book and if you liked it, i'd love to hear your comments on it, too

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um

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I'm gonna go ahead and wrap it up for now this workshop went a little longer than I thought it would and

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But I think it was a good length

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And I think it was a good exercise to think about all of these different stories and these different questions about goal motivation and conflict

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And hopefully that helped you, uh wrap your head around the idea and really get it down. It's

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It's funny after I thought about it. It's really simple and I don't know why I had

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Felt like it was such a difficult thing to

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Grasp but now I feel like I grasp it and it's pretty easy to just look at different stories and see oh gmc

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For this character this character this character I get it now

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Yeah, so that's interesting anyway, uh until next time this is MJ signing out

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