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This is MJ. I'm an author, I'm an artist, I'm an analyzer. Find all my work at MJMunoz.com.

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This is Story Over Everything Episode 17 where I am talking about what is a web novel.

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So I'm going to take a casual look at web novels.

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I have a

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little bit of history on them, a little bit of

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questions about what they are, what they can be used for, how they can be utilized by the upstart author like me, and

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some other stuff. I'm just going to show this because it's so dumb.

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For

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formatting posts for social media and stuff, you have what I call a share text where as it goes out wherever it goes like on Twitter,

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there's text that goes with it along with the title of the episode, hashtags that you put in there if you want, and

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a link back to the website so people can find your stuff. For some reason,

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I felt compelled to write this and I decided to just roll with it and do it. So here we go.

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I have on the post, join MJ for a casual look at web novels.

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He put some questions, some, he put some important questions to them such as, who is your daddy and what does he do?

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And that's a movie quote, a dumb movie quote, but probably a fair amount of people who are listening to this might know it.

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So yeah, I'm sticking with it. Anyway, so

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I've got questions that I asked ChatGDP, this list of five or so questions, maybe six questions total, and

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I got a result from ChatGDP, and then I went ahead and did some research on my own.

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I kind of looked into things individually,

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each question basically, you know, through a search engine because how am I going to research it? What do you want me to do? Go to the library?

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I'm doing these weekly shows as well as everything else I'm doing. I don't really have time

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to go into it, and I think honestly aren't most people now just googling things. Isn't that the form of research?

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I would think so. So I don't know, I feel a little funny about it.

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I probably won't talk about it in the future, but I think I'm just going to use ChatGDP for questions like this and

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just fact check and

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do some simple,

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yeah, basically simple fact checking so I can make sure that the factual information that I'm looking for and

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not collating, what would you call that?

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There's another word, like a walled garden cultivating, kind of cultivating, but not cultivating. Anyway, yeah, so I do kind of regret

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that I didn't just take the information that I found right away because I formulated the questions. I formulated the questions,

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I thought about it, I thought about the topic, but then I just have, you know, quick information and

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anyway, I think all is fair in love and war, so that's what I'm going to do.

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But first I'm going to share with you my answers to these questions, which are what is the most important thing

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for a web novel? What are the definitions? Which are what is the definition of a web novel?

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What was the first web novel? Are web novels genre specific? What are the criteria for a web novel and are web novels

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the new magazine? Serials. And could they be for me? So,

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I have a couple answers. So there's a web fiction wiki and basically condensing its, I don't know, a couple sentence statement down.

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Web fiction is, web novels are basically web fiction and the

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definition of it is its writing of a novel serialized over a website. That's it.

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That's all it is. One chapter at a time, one paragraph at a time, whatever, like that kind of stuff I don't think really matters,

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but that's a definition of it. But like I said, I, you know, I did a search for this and another Wikipedia

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article popped up. It was one of the top results, like within the top 10 for sure, probably top five, was light novels.

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So for some reason, light novel was the first, actually, no, no, no, according to this note I made yesterday,

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light novel was the first result I found. The web fiction wiki cited above mentions near the end that web fiction is big and profitable in China,

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which is something I'm going to come back to. I know of light novels as anime book series because there's,

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you know, one world or one set of characters that they focus on, but there's multiple books that they're in. It's not just the single book

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that gets turned into an anime sometimes, such as Log Horizon and Full Metal Panic. Anyway,

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and they feature anime illustrations in them. I don't know if it's one per chapter or one every

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couple chapters or what, and the covers are, you know, bright and colorful and have like full anime type

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aesthetic to them. Anyway, as near as I can tell, light novels are all published physically first,

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so I reject this claim from this wiki that light novels are actually web fiction or web novels,

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because they're literally not. They're literally printed first and collected, and I think there's

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weekly magazines of anthologies of, I don't know, Shueisha or, you know, whatever company has it.

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They'll do chunks of the light novels, then they collect them once they're popular, and I guess,

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you know, if you're lucky you get to keep writing them, and if not, then I don't know, you go do

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something else, move on to something else. Anyway, according to an article I found on Literary Hub,

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or LitHub, the first web novel was a book called The Power Book by Jeanette Winterson,

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Winterson, and it was published October 9, 2001, and I think it started distribution,

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I'll see it, it started serialization in 2000, and I feel a little weird about this. I didn't

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read the whole thing, but like the author is really proud that it was like one of the first LGBT

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things or whatever, and let's find Andy for the, you know, author of it and whatever, but you know,

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I'm a pro free speech radicalist, so if you want to write that, that's fine with me, but yeah,

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it's not my cup of tea, and I really wish I'd been able to find something else that wasn't this as

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the first light novel published, but I didn't really. There were, though, as I looked into it

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more and more, I realized, hey, I read fan fiction in the 90s, and some of them were book length,

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surely that counts. I don't remember when the first Harry Potter book came out, but I remember

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the house I was living in, and my sister and her friend went to like a midnight release,

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which I don't know why there was a big midnight release of The Sorcerer's Stone, that was the

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first one's called, because maybe it had been released in the UK first, and it was critically

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acclaimed and popular, so then they brought them over here, because I know like the name, isn't

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it like the Philosopher's Stone in England, but it's The Sorcerer's Stone here in America? I think

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that's how it goes. Anyway, so like, is it possible that, well, and what I was trying to get to is,

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I'd been reading some fan fiction from, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to tell you,

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from whatever shows I was interested in at the time, and some of them were really long, so I mean,

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why aren't those the first web novels? Because I think people were writing those before they were

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writing most of the other thing, and I think, you know, whether it's trashy or not doesn't matter,

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especially because, I mean, getting back to the LGBT thing, I don't know how heavy the like

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romance fiction content was in these books, but as I've listened to different writing podcasts,

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I hear that Harlequin, well, not Harlequin, just Harlequin, but like romance in general,

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and when I say romance, I mean romance with a wink and a nod and a lipstick smeared kiss.

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Yeah, and I won't go any further than that. Like, the people who write romance novels, they

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write hard and they write fast, and they are early adopters. They look into new formats and genres,

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and like they're into pushing envelopes because they have people who are dedicated die-hard fans

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who love their stuff and just eat it up, so I wouldn't be shocked if you looked into it and

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there was romance or even erotica that was very early published online first, and yeah, but I

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didn't look that deep into it because I didn't want to fall into a hole. So moving on, oh, I did

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find also, and I'll link it, it's linked in the show notes, a big list, sorry, a big list of web

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fiction that has all sorts of stuff in it. It's got webtoons and tapas and all sorts of other things

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I didn't really look into because there's just not enough time, but you can look at it because

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if you've got the time and inclination, I've provided the link there for you. The next question

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I want to answer is, are web novels genre specific? The answer is a big bad no. Next is, what are the

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criteria for a web novel? From my understanding, everything I've looked at, it's just a novel

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serialized on a website. That's it. That's the only criteria. Doesn't matter if it's good, doesn't

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matter if it's bad, doesn't matter if it's trashy, you know, in a lot, doesn't matter if it's genre

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fiction or if it's serious literary fiction or anything like that. I say this as a superhero

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comic book, anime pulp fan. Yeah, I like that stuff, which other people call trashy or stupid or

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trite or even droll, and I'm not into, you know, the fancy pants stuff. So anyway, so yeah, serialized

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novel and in my notes I have this. The more I look around, the more it seems like web novel has taken

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on the character of a technical term seemingly connected to the Chinese market and after market,

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meaning non-Chinese who enjoy the material as well. It gets translated to English and other

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languages, I'm sure. It almost seems like the light novel is Japanese and the web novel is Chinese.

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This makes sense as web novel is what the Japanese company Toei is calling the Digimon Seekers Project,

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which is being released in Japanese, English, and Chinese simultaneously. All right, moving on to my

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fifth question. Are web novels and new magazine serials? I'm going to say yes in that they are a

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way to serialize a novel, but no in that the scale of distribution is vastly different. Maybe I can

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cross-publish on Tapas or on one of the current text or book focused web fiction sites. I won't be

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drawing a comic, so I would not think Webtoons is a good place for my stories to go, but I can explore

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that further. And question six, could they be for me? Yes, at minimum I can publish my stories here

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on MJMinus.com chapter by chapter. I need to, I need to spell incorrect these things. I was writing

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it on my phone. I have dabbled in this before and called it WIP, that is writing in public. I haven't

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thought of that recently as I've been so focused on writing the Grobik series with the goal of

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crowdfunding the money for artwork for the five picture books. Why can't I do it all though? I can

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publish my web fiction here, distribute it more widely other places, and then seek an audience who

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is interested in seeing the world of Grobugs come to life with images. And I can do that with my

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superhero stories that I want to do as well later down the line. So now I'm going to share with you.

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So that took me like an hour or two probably of looking around and taking a lot of time and

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care and skimming through things to get that data together, to get it all collected together. And

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some of the stuff was just obvious. Yeah, I'm going to use this to serials for myself and I'll just

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do it here. That's simple. But some of the other stuff, you know, actual questions, looking for

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more factual information, I had a little bit of a difficult time finding and putting it all together.

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And then, or rather, then there's this series of answers which I will give you very succinctly.

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From chat gpt3, I asked pretty much the same questions that I asked and answered myself.

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I put through into chat gpt and I got answers. So before I share the answers with you from there,

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which I'm just going to present in one go, I want to make a note that I fact-checked the response

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and it incorrectly responded on the first web novel. I didn't see anything in Cory Doctor's

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bibliography called The Golden Age of Science Fiction. The rest of the response is fairly solid.

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I could have just put my question... Oh yeah, sorry to tell you that. So yeah, it told me that

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the first web novel was by Cory Doctorow, who's a big technologist guy. I remember, I'm pretty sure

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it's the same guy. I remember encountering him on Twitter because I knew of Leo Laporte, I learned

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of Leo Laporte back in my big AM radio days. And he's got the Twitter network, right, this week in

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technology, this week in tech. And Cory Doctorow was on several shows with him. He's been a

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technologist dude doing stuff with technology computers. He's the boing-boing co-creator,

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co-founder, whatever. And he's into all this stuff. So I thought, oh, Cory Doctorow wrote a web novel

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and I think they said 93, that's what chat gpt said, which is wrong. That doesn't surprise me,

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and it wouldn't surprise me. But that's not what his bibliography says, at least the one I have

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linked here. So anyway, but I could have... I did fact-check that. I was going to anyway.

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And it turns out that I just had to do a little bit more work to pivot and say, okay, no, I'm

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going to reject that and not include that misinformation and just not include that

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misinformation in this information and just clarify that, okay, as far as I can tell, the first

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web novel was this, you know, power book thing. Anyway, so moving on. This is from the vaunted,

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the villainous, the heroic, the demonic, the angelic, whatever it is, it is what you want it to be.

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It is whatever you take into that cave with you, AI. So here we go.

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A web novel is a novel or long-form written work that is primarily published on the internet,

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usually on a dedicated website or platform. Unlike traditional novels, which are published

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in any physical form or through established publishing houses, web novels are often self-published

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or published through online platforms. The first web novel is difficult to pinpoint,

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as the concept of publishing written works on the internet has been around for decades. However,

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one of the earliest, most well-known web novels is The Age of Science Fiction, which was published

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online by author Cory Doctorow in 1993. Again, I factored this. I find no cooperating evidence

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to support this claim. Continuing on with what it said. Web novels can cover a wide range of

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genres from fantasy and science fiction to romance, mystery, and more. There are no genre

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specific requirements for web novels, and writers are free to explore any type of story they wish.

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The criteria for a web novel are generally the same as those for traditional novels.

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A complete and cohesive story that engages readers and delivers a satisfying narrative arc. However,

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because web novels are often published serially, they may have different pacing and structure than

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traditional novels. Web novels have become a popular alternative to magazine serials in recent

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years, and more and more readers, or as more and more readers, turn to the internet for their

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reading material. If you enjoy reading serialized stories, web novels may be a great option for you.

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Many web novels are available for free, making them a low-risk way to try out new authors

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and genres. So, I mean that's all basically true, except the Cory Doctorow thing which I checked,

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and I don't know how much I benefited from actually, from actually doing the research on

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everything else. Honestly, I was, I felt upset afterwards because I thought that was a waste of

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time. It was really a waste of time, and it honestly made me mad, and I thought I could have

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been doing actual writing here. I wanted to look into, I wanted to look into web novels, what they

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are, and use it as a topic for this episode of Story Over Everything, because I'm trying to

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have the variety of the shows where I have, you know, the big book at the end of the month,

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which I'm chipping away at the Merry Adventures of Robin Hood to talk about on whatever, the last

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Fridays in May 2023. I'm doing that, so that's like an ongoing month-long project basically,

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even though it's a casual book chat. I actually have to listen to the whole book, pay attention,

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make notes on each chapter, which anyway, that's a whole different experience, but I'll talk about

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that later, maybe in that episode itself, but we'll see. But then I have to think about it,

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well okay, I've got my workshop thing, I've got my story machine thing, that's three, and then I've

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got my topic. Well really, how is a topic different from workshop? And I'm not exactly sure, so I don't

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know if that just means because I am a self-taught author, I should just do two workshops a month,

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and maybe do, you know, workshop, story machine, workshop, book chat at the end of the month,

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and maybe that is the better way to do it, and I can just kind of spend more time, you know,

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hammering out my craft and figuring out what certain things are as I'm waiting to write my,

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you know, as I'm working towards getting to my bigger projects, freeing myself up for those,

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because I'm starting with small stuff first and moving up from there, so maybe that's what I

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should do, and you know, that's not a problem, especially because I almost feel like, well,

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in making this topic about web novels, I almost did kind of a workshop thing where I'm talking

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about, you know, what is a web novel, we're not talking about how to make one, but I'm giving you

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the information that you would need. It's basically just a serialized novel online, genre doesn't

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matter, and I don't know what else, like there's not a lot of requirements, so had I instead talked

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about, you know, goal, motivation, and conflict, and tried to give myself, familiarize myself with

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those better, and have like a real strong working relationship with them, or working definition so

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I can work with them in the future, then, you know, how would that be different? So anyway,

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and interestingly enough, this almost turned into an episode about the use of chat, GPT-3, and AI

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tools in general, but I don't know, it's interesting. I'm involved, well, I'm not involved, I'm,

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I have a very particular mindset about personal responsibility, and freedom, and things like that,

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like I talk about free speech, and you know, you want to live your life however you want to,

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you want to write books about that, I'm fine with that, I don't think you should be censored,

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and yeah, that's how I feel. Even if some people I know would disagree with me in some cases,

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because I'm a bit of an extremist, well I'm an extremist in that respect, and again, people I

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know and hold dear would think, would look askance at me for me to say that to them, and especially

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if they brought up certain topics, or specific instances, or subject matter, and I would have

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to say, yeah, I'm okay with that, you can say that, I'm okay with somebody saying that. They

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would disagree heartily, but anyway, I don't know what the point was that I was winding up towards,

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but it's okay, because I don't want to waste your time, I don't want to waste my time, I'm going to

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let you go, let me go, we're going to move on with our lives, we're going to come back next week,

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and we'll be talking about some topic that I already have written down in my notes for

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Story Over Everything for next week, so I encourage you to

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check out all my work over at mjmunoz.com, I have a lot going on, I will probably be sharing some of

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what I'm working on now, which is the Grow Books, I'll probably be sharing some content from that

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in the future, maybe not this month, maybe next month, we'll see, I've got to figure out exactly

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what I'm doing, but it should be good for me to do, I'm going to be doing a lot of work on that,

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but it should be good for me and good for you, so anyway, until next time, I hope that you're well,

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and I bid you adieu, this is MJ signing out. I hope you enjoyed that, go to mjmunoz.com to leave

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any questions, comments, or other feedback you might have, there you can find all of my analysis,

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art, and fiction, I cover books, tokusatsu, comic books, anime, and more, look around,

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you're sure to find something else that you'll enjoy as well, this has been a story over everything

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production.