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This is MJ. I'm an author, I'm an artist, I'm an analyzer. You can find all my work

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at MJMunoz.com. Welcome to Story Over Everything. This is a Skimming Leaves episode where I

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will be talking about none other than Mr. HP. That is J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter in

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Book 5, Order of the Phoenix. So this, I guess intro portion, is being recorded perhaps months

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after I finished listening to the book. And I, you know, but do not fear, the recording

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happened shortly after I finished the book, so it's not going to be awful and crazy. I

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do have some fun facts that I want to share about Order of the Phoenix with you, and I'm

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going to go ahead and do that very shortly. So listen up to this as I get you ready to

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jump into the episode, as you hear my raw thoughts and reactions on the book, on the

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story, on everything going on. There's definitely some negativity, but overall I still do like

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these books in the series, and I don't have any issues with J.K. Rowling as an author.

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Yes, yes. I even read the Tales of Beetle of the Ward, which were a lot of fun. So anyway,

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here we go. I'm going to start jumping into the fun facts here for Harry Potter Book 6,

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The Order of the Phoenix. Okay, so according to my research, the book was published on

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June 21, 2003 by Scholastic in the U.S. and Bloomsbury in the U.K. It was the first Harry

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Potter book to have a global release date. Okay, so last time, Book 4, Goblet of Fire,

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yeah, that's right, Book 4, Goblet of Fire, had a U.S.U.K. simultaneous release, and now

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this one supposedly has a worldwide release, which I would assume that means more than

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just the U.S. and the U.K., because it's got the global release. The book has 766 pages

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in the U.K. edition and 870 pages in the U.S. edition. It is the longest book in the series,

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with a word count of approximately 257,045 words. Now let me see. I want to write 60,000

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word pulp novels. How many times does 60,000 go into 257,000? It's a lot. Is that 40? It's

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like 40 of my pulp novels for this one book? I think that's right, but I could very well

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be wrong. That's crazy. Anyway, apparently the book won the Bram Stoker Award for Best

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Work for Young Readers in 2003, and it was the only Harry Potter book to do so. Maybe

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it was because of all the inappropriate stuff I didn't like in the book. And I don't care

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about the characters it introduces. Oh, yeah. So it advances stuff in the kids. They're

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later in school, and it shows kind of like entrance exams, finals, preparation for moving

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on to learning more new interesting stuff for their careers and their futures in the

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Wizarding World. But I won't go on and read those fun facts. I will stop there. And let

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you listen to my reaction and thoughts to this book from a while ago. I had two interesting

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things happen to me along the way of listening to these books. There's a third, but I won't

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mention it, because it doesn't matter. So the two interesting things that happened to

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me on the way of listening to this book is that one, I ran out of my... I had to return

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the book to the library, the e- or digital library that I'm using. And I had to take

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like a two week break from listening because of some training that I'm doing with somebody

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that impacted my ability to listen. And when I finally got back to the book, I found that

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it was time for it to go back. And then I desperately cast it around for another way

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to find it. I finally did find a fan version of a reading of the book, and I went ahead

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and listened to that. But that's piracy, you might argue. And I would say yes, technically

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that is 100% true. However, I had the book for the entire period of time in which I could

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have listened to it, and I didn't because of circumstances. And to cover myself, I'll

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probably just check it out again as soon as it becomes available, because I have it on

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hold again to do that very thing. So anyway, I don't know. It's kind of like... does it

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really matter? But, you know, I don't know. I feel weird about it. But anyway, so I did

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that. And I've also been considering just out right behind the books, because I imagine

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there's something that might be re-read in the family from time to time. So we'll see.

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We'll see. And so getting back to the actual book, I really liked it when I think about

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it. This was a book of transition. It was a book of basically the world of Harry Potter

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opening up. Harry learns a lot more about the wider wizarding world. In the end game

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of the book, he leaves Hogwarts. He entirely goes off of campus to deal with things, which

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is interesting to point out because at the end of book four, Goblet of Fire, he also

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went off of campus to deal with things, whereas Prisoner of Azkaban had them definitely staying

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on campus, as did Chamber of Secrets and Philosopher's Stone. So it's interesting. Those first three

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books enabled Harry to deal with Voldemort in some way, essentially, that had him staying

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on campus and doing everything at Hogwarts, which is supposed to be a very safe place

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because of all the counter charms and protection spells and whatever that are there. But we

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can see that dangers can still creep in. But then book four pulls him out of Hogwarts into

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danger against his will. And then in book five, he goes out of Hogwarts into danger.

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Because it's his will. And I kind of imagine that that'll happen again in this in the sixth

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book, but I don't want to talk about that right now. I'm just talking about the fifth

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book. And I don't know. It's just really interesting how it really opens things up. You get to

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see more into the Weasley's family life. You get to visit with Harry's godfather at his

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family home, which is very interesting and like is utilized for a plot point. Like it's

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interesting. The fact that that place is chosen as the base for the Order of the Phoenix.

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And then there's a certain measure of betrayal that happens because they're at that home

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and one of the servants in that home. And it basically serves to pull Harry against

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it. See, he leaves according to his own will, but he's basically trapped into it or fooled

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into it. And it's really interesting that that happens because you get to see him making

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moves on his own and doing things because he wants to do them, not because he has to

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to survive, but because he wants to, because he thinks it's the right thing for him to

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do, even if it puts him in danger. And that's interesting because he's going from like a

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passive protagonist who's just kind of going through these things and luckily surviving

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to a more active protagonist who's choosing to face things. And that's really interesting.

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So I like the steady growth that we're seeing and the steady development that we're seeing

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in his character. And yeah, without getting so I wonder if it's not a good idea to keep

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doing these without spoilers. I'll finish off Harry Potter with not having spoilers

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in the book I'm talking about. I'll refer back to things from the last book because

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they're so interconnected. You'll, you'll hear those things, but I'll at least give

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you a chance. So it's difficult. And I think in the casual book chats, I want to go and

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do like a couple of minutes worth of talking about it without my, you know, without spoilers

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and then I'll just go ahead and relax and say everything I want to say. So again, I'm

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reaching back in my mind to order of the Phoenix. Yeah, it's all very fascinating. It's all

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very interesting how it works out that Dumbledore basically has this private army, you could

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say that he's setting up to oppose Voldemort. And then you get this dynamic of conflict

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coming not from Voldemort, but from the Ministry of Magic itself. And it's partly because they

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want to pretend Voldemort isn't back so that they don't have to deal with the consequences

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of him being back and they don't have to look bad saying that he's back because they have

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been making assurances to people that Voldemort is well and truly gone, that Dumbledore is

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some sort of crackpot who thinks Voldemort is back. Perhaps he's a conspiracy theorist

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and that Harry is an attention seeking, like no good kid. And it's very interesting how

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the Ministry of Magic, which is, you know, essentially a government organization, is

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using a newspaper as a weapon against Harry. And it's happening in a much more, if it was

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happening in Goblet of Fire, it was not happening in Goblet of Fire. There was other stuff going

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Goblet of Fire that mentioned the media. And I brought up, I'm curious to see if Rowling

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like not doubles down, but includes the media as a force to be dealt with in the books further

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and, you know, will that happen in book five? It sure happened in book five. The media was

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absolutely weaponized by the Ministry of Magic. And I find that to be a really fascinating

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thing because it's definitely something that happens in the real world and the non-wizarding

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world. And it's interesting to see it happening in the wizarding world as well. And I know

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it was just really interesting that, I don't know if it's because we live in a more modern

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era or what, like obviously that didn't happen in, you know, Lord of the Rings. We didn't

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get to hear, you know, fake news coming from Aragorn about him trying to stop, stop, what's

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his name? The Dark Lord Sauron. And we didn't have, you know, Sauron talking about how there's

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my truth and then the truth or however that went. I can't remember, like there's facts

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and there's truth, something like that. Anyway, we didn't get to hear any of that, like political

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double speech in that, because the media just wasn't a factor in, you know, Tolkien's epic

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fantasy. But in Rowling's, like, you know, arguably urban fantasy series of Harry Potter,

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we do get that. And I find that pretty interesting. And I don't quite know, again, I don't quite

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know why she did that. And I don't remember how far back urban fantasy goes. And if she's

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just like playing on a part of it or if she's just doing her own thing and just, you know,

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it's interesting because she's trying to say, well, what if wizards were really real and

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what if they did actually interact with the non-wizarding world? What if the wizarding

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world was like this, you know, secret, you know, elite sort of, you know, sub population

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that, you know, kind of did things in their own interesting way. And it had effects on

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the rest of the non-wizarding world. And, you know, what would happen in that situation?

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Which is interesting, but I don't necessarily like it. Like in Narnia, if in the Chronicles

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of Narnia at some point, well, I mean, they did interact. She just interacted with the

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police and stuff. Oh man, that was funny. And she interacted with the public as well.

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Oh man, Magician's Nephew is a great book, by the way. If you haven't, if you haven't

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read that, it's time. Just, you know, stop what you're doing and go listen to that. Or

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go listen to that, go read that. It's a very good book. Anyway, but like, yeah, he had,

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so Lewis that is, in the Magician's Nephew, he had the fantastical meeting and interacting

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with the mundane. And it was interesting, but there wasn't any like social commentary

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type thing going on. It was like a cop dealing with people who he thought were drunk or crazy,

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not realizing that they were actually magical and actually like really powerful beings,

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or at least one that could seriously do him harm. And there was a comedy to that because

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you're seeing the absurdity of the magic interacting with the mundane in a way where the mundane

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doesn't grasp it. And it just, it made for a funny situation. So, and there's other stuff

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as you go further into the Magician's Nephew, where there's comedy by the contrast of the

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real world versus, you know, Narnia, that world. And that's pretty interesting. And,

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yeah, but it's the way it's done, the way it's handled, there's no, I don't know, it

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was handled in like a very sincere and earnest way versus I kind of feel like there's something

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being said by Rowling here in these books about the media. And definitely there's like

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themes of authoritarianism and anti-authoritarianism and like letting people in charge, I'll say

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like that, letting the people in charge use fear and a crisis as an opportunity to oppress

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people to make scapegoats out of any individual they want. And I find that really interesting

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and really powerful and really, I don't know, strange. There's a new character, a new Defense

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Against the Dark Arts instructor who does more than just that, but she ultimately lives

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by the end of the book. So she's not a pawn of Voldemort, which you might imagine, or

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at least she's not revealed to be one in this book. Her name is Dolores Umbridge and she

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becomes the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher and she basically has the students

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not learning how to do Defense Against the Dark Arts in any practical way. They do a

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lot of reading. They do, it's a quiet class where nobody talks because everybody's reading,

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just the teacher tells you what section to read in the book and that's about it. It's

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all supposed to be theory and she's supposedly doing it out of the interest of the safety

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of the children, her students, and also almost like out of a sense of propriety of, oh it

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wouldn't be proper to show you these certain things. And I've heard that last year you

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had teachers do this, this, and this, and this, and it was approved by the faculty here,

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which that's arguable if during that year, if during year four, the things that were

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being done were 100% stamped on or approved by Dumbledore or not because of who the teacher

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was and how unorthodox he proved to be. But anyway, that's for another time to talk about.

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So it's interesting that what happens is the kids end up figuring that, you know, if we're

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going to be left without an actual Defense Against the Dark Arts education, if something

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happens to us and we need to use our wands to do spells to defend ourselves, anti-jinx,

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anti-charms, that kind of thing, we're going to be in big trouble and we will become injured

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and hurt and killed possibly by Voldemort and his forces if they are in fact back, which

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there's a whole kind of controversy throughout the entire year of the book that is Voldemort

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really back. And it's just, again, it's interesting that it's this controversy and it's this kind

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of this political hot potato that's being dealt with. And like, I don't know, like they're

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trying to get Dumbledore fired and kicked out and there's all this staff stuff going

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on with the school and like the Ministry of Magic basically puts Umbridge in as a teacher

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to do their will at Hogwarts and make sure it conforms to what they are saying because

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like they hold a certain position and not only do they oppose, are they upset with anybody

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who denies that position, but they like basically want to use every force they can, legal and

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it turns out non-legal as well, to stop them from saying things that they don't like. So

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it's interesting because it almost touches on in a prescient way like a cancel culture

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type thing, but it's more about like smearing of individuals who are doing things that the

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people who are in charge don't like because they find it disruptive or whatever. But it

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turns out that sometimes when people are in charge and they don't want people to do things

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who are under them because they find them to be disruptive to the peace, that those

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people in charge will go ahead and do things that are illegal in order to get the people

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who they want to stop from doing certain things to stop from doing them. A favorite example

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of mine because of how horrible it is and how plainly horrible it is, is that my American

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FBI, Federal Bureau of Investigation was weaponized against one Martin Luther King Jr. who we

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now lionize and have a holiday for and they did a bunch of illegal spying on him and had

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a bunch of illegal information on him and they wrote him letters sending him documentation

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of basically blackmail telling him that he should kill himself and that wasn't after

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his victory in the Civil Rights Movement, that was during his victory or during his work

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in the Civil Rights Movement because my government wanted to assuage him and stop him from doing

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what he was doing, you know, non-peaceful, I mean peaceful, literally peaceful, non-violent

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protests that were fighting for good people of good character who were sincerely trying

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to make a good life for themselves to be able to have the same freedoms and rights as others

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who had a different color of skin. So it's really interesting how people in power in

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order to protect their power, they will do immoral things, they will do illegal things

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and they will hurt whoever they have to to maintain their sense of control and it's fascinating

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that that's going on, like that's the subtext of the book, the text is that Voldemort is

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trying to come back and you don't know what his scheme is but it's something bad and Harry

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and his friends can stop it if, you know, if they do everything right and I don't know,

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it's a very interesting thing because Voldemort isn't at Hogwarts, he doesn't want to be at

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Hogwarts, he's not trying to be at Hogwarts, he's trying to lure Harry out basically in

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order to do a thing which I won't go into and I, that's light spoilers but it's, well,

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it's very light, you know he's going to try to kill him again and gosh, I don't know,

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it's just really interesting. Besides all that, like political commentary that's going

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on in the book, which I would say, you know, it's not speaking against the US government

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directly, in fact, I at one point thought, what is Rowling talking, what was going on

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in the UK during the early 2000s or late 90s when she was writing this stuff, I guess maybe

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it was, these books were kind of written against the backdrop of the war on terror so that's

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kind of interesting, I don't know what her, I don't know or really care to know Rowling's

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full political standing to know exactly what she was talking about because the point carries,

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the point matters or the point gets across that yeah, if people want to be authoritarian

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like this and pretend that they're moral and that they're good and they're just doing this

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for the good of the people, you don't have to trust them, you can question them, you

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can defy them, you can go against them, it may hurt, you may suffer the consequences,

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but that's something you're allowed to do and maybe you should consider and you should

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consider doing because it might just be the right thing to do and it might help people

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and it might turn out these people are even more evil than you understood them to be once

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you've seen them violating certain moral things and then certain laws, it's clear, I guess

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I would put morals above laws, once they're violating certain laws and certain morals

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you know that they're not to be trusted and that they only care about power and then wielding

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it against others so basically that kind of gives you permission to say yeah, I will take

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everything on a case by case basis and defy whom I choose to defy and comply with who I

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choose to comply and I think that's a very interesting, very interesting message for

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a children's book especially because it shows that it isn't always people who are in power

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who are right and we have many instances of children, young children and older kids being

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harmed by people who are in power because they blindly trust the fact that they're a

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person in authority therefore they should be listened to or complied with which is not

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always true so very interesting, I mean an entertaining book but then it's got this interesting

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messaging going on and this interesting like life application to be gleaned from the story

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and I like that.

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Anyway, besides that, besides the world of Harry Potter getting bigger and showing more

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of the wizarding world and what not, we also got a very interesting like personal growth

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in the world of Harry Potter like Harry gets more of a family, he gets more of a normal

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family, not upbringing to be in but more of a family atmosphere to be in, he spends more

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time with the Weasleys and this other extended family that all happens and they're all part

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of the Order of the Phoenix which is a central thing in the book and it's really interesting

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to see and it's really lovely and it also works because like the character interactions

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are entertaining but they're also interesting and they cause you to ask questions about

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the world and the character and the history of all the characters and like I don't know

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like how they got to be where they are and how their relationships got to be at the state

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that they're at and I think it's just really fascinating to see how all that played out

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and it's interesting because Rowling just keeps adding stuff to the books and like texturing

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them and layering them with things that make it more enjoyable to read and there are these

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little hooks that kind of get in your head that's like oh well if this is the case then

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what about that?

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It just sparks questions and kind of sparks the imagination and she does a really good

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job of and I think I can see why so many people are such crazy Harry Potter fans because there's

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a depth to the story and a depth to the technique of the storytelling that really draws you

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in and makes you feel I mean yeah like part of the world or like you can relate to the

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world like I'm sure we all have a Snape, we all have a Uncle Sirius or whatever like there's

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all that kind of those family dynamics the way they're played with it feels very reminiscent

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of your own family, my own family and you can kind of see little things there which

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is a lot of fun so it's like a very relatable story, a very relatable set of books and set

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of characters that we're getting introduced to and it just keeps growing and it's kind

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of that way with life too the older you get the more you get exposed to the more you learn

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how little you know and the more you learn how much of the world you don't really know

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about or never really had to think about or had always taken for granted and there's things

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in the book that kind of cause Harry to question certain parts of his past that he had seen

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in a certain light and now he sees them in a different light and that's just really interesting

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and compelling stuff so yeah I think the well that's what I think about the book those are

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my casual thoughts I'm gonna let you go let myself go because I am running out of things

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to say and I don't want to start rambling so until next time folks take care thank you

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for your time and attention thank you for listening come back for more be well and this

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