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This is MJ. I'm an author, I'm an artist, I'm an analyzer. You can find all my work at MJMunoz.com.

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Welcome to Story Over Everything. I am recording this intro probably a couple

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weeks after I recorded the actual body of the episode so hopefully that doesn't

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throw you off too much. I basically just jump right into it but I'm talking about

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George McDonald's The Princess and the Goblin and yes I'm gonna go ahead and let

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myself talk about the book now so enjoy.

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I literally just right now finished listening to George McDonald's The

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Princess and the Goblin and this is going to be my second book, my second issue of

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Skimming Leaves and I think it's a great choice. I don't remember why I picked

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this. I think actually I had it on a list and I was gonna do something with fantasy

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going back you know into history because I really want to get to the Oz books but

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I kind of want to do some other fantasy books before I get to those.

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Oz is pre-Narnia, it's pre Lord of the Rings but

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McDonald, George McDonald's is also pre Narnia and Lord of the Rings. In fact I

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hear that CS Lewis and George, or J.R.R. Tolkien both were fans of McDonald and

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for a while I suspected that they were perhaps influenced by Baum's work,

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L.Frank Baum being the author of the 14 original Wizard of Oz books or I guess I

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should just say Oz books because they're not about the wizard they're about the

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land of Oz and Ozma of Oz and other wonderful wonderful characters but

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there's an absurdity and a looseness and a I don't know a warm charm to the Oz

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books that is I think typical of books of a certain era where the author or the

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narrator yeah I guess it's the narrator speaks of the characters in the book as

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if they are his friends and your friends as well as the reader and he gives you

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little insights and makes it sound as if these events really happened and he

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heard about them afterwards from them. Lewis does that a lot at least in the

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line the witch and the wardrobe I don't think he does it in the others so much

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that kind of voice is absent from Tolkien's books and it's present a

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slight amount in McDonald's as well as the Oz books at least in the Princess

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and the Goblin I don't know what the others yet and while George McDonald has

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I'm gonna say around ten books that are in this children's fantasy category I

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guess I wasn't aware that there was actually a second story of the Princess

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and the Goblin for some reason I thought it would be the Princess and the Goblin

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too or something like that but I think it's actually called

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Kurtie and the Princess if if I'm remembering that correctly so and at the

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very end like the last couple lines it mentions that there will be more stories

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with Kurtie and the Princess that will be told in another place and another

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volume it says and I just thought oh that's a nice you know fantastical way

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to say things that's like the 14th Gundam fight I never got to see that but

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no it's a real thing that exists and I'll talk about that later but for right

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now I just want to go over real quick some information from Wikipedia again

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this is a casual book chat where I'm casually talking about this book I

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didn't take any notes I just listened to it and I just want to talk about it for

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a few minutes before I move on so the Princess and the Goblin is children's

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fantasy novel by George McDonald it was published in 1872 by Strahan and Co. with

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black and white illustrations by Arthur Hughes

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Strahan had published the story and illustrations as a serial in the monthly

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magazine good words for the young November beginning November 1870 so it's

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24 chapters long I believe so it could have been published one chapter a month

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or perhaps one chapter a week 24 chapters that's either 24 weeks 24 months

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I don't think it says the frequency so over you know minimum you know about a

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year minimum a few months but maximum two years so anyway that's the little bit

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of range mode like 1872 that's old L Frank Baum wrote the first Oz book in

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about 1905 1902 something like that maybe was 1900 so that would have been a 28

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years minimum this and that means Princess and the Goblins at least 28

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years older than L Frank Baum L Frank Baum could have grown up having this

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story read to him or reading it himself which is kind of crazy to think about

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but yeah I I don't know if I'm gonna read any more of the information from

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here I don't think I am I'm not going to I'm just gonna write and say this it's a

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weird beautiful book I gotta say I have no idea the concept like I don't even

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know where George McDonald's from this kid just says he's English is that right

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hello it doesn't say he's English Scottish who knows what lots of people

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lots of different peoples it's from the United Kingdom which that encompasses a

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lot because you know for a time the Sun would never set on the British Empire but

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anyway it's a really weird book like I was honestly so scared for Princess

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Irene through the whole thing and I'm actually I'm not gonna tell you anything

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about the book well I'm not gonna formally tell you anything I'm just

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gonna let things come out as I'm talking about it except I will say this no no

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you should go read the book stop right now and go read the book if you need to

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be convinced it's a wonderful magical book I fell in love with it the first

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time I've listened to it and honestly listen to it the second time it just I

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was charmed my my heart swelled with like I don't know warmth and love it's

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just it's a very beautiful book and I really like it I don't know what it's

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about I believe George McDonald was a Catholic or some form of Christian and I

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believe he tried to work themes of his faith into it and I don't think it's

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themes of the Catholic faith I think it's themes of faith in God of some sort

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and it's broad enough and unspecific enough that I think anybody of any faith

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would be able to listen to this and feel comfortable with it and feel like oh

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this is talking about you know believing in a higher power believing in something

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that you can't quite see believing in God and maybe even you know secular

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humanists woo spiritualistic type people would like it because there's something

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out there man you know the universe and I I like that I actually like it it's

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very charming how the supernatural and the natural converse with each other

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let's say in this book because they do and it's called the princess and the

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Goblin there are goblins in this book they are real they are not in your face

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but they're very much there and they're not shied away from it all and the way

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that they're presented though is almost in a matter of fact historical manner

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and I will say this the way this is spoilers for Lord of the Rings and the

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Hobbit I guess if you pay attention what those books are saying Tolkien presents

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the books at least within the narrative of the books as if they are part of the

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literal history of the world of earth where we live now the third age of

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Middle-earth is where all the most of the adventures happen that's the Hobbit

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and the Lord of the Rings trilogy but he has tales of the second age of Middle-

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Earth and before even the creation in the Cimmerlian and he goes on at the

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end of Return of the King basically it's stated that the third age of the third

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age is ending and the fourth age is beginning and I guess we're in the fourth

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age now baby I guess that's what it would be because part of the reason that

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like the elves leave so wherever they leave I don't know what it's called and like Bilbo and Frodo and

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Gandalf go with them to the Grey Havens is because they need to depart from they

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need to depart to that other place in the world in order to let I guess the

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course of the rest of the world unfold it's very weird and even Alexander

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Lloyd Alexander does something similar in the Chronicles of Bredain which is

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funny and I almost wonder if it was a little bit of a nod to his affection for

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Tolkien's work but it's honestly something that is unappealing to me when

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it's done so overtly versus I almost feel like the Princess and the Goblin is a

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historical document from a fantasy world where goblins really do exist did exist

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do exist and that I'm I don't know like I'm part of that fantastical world

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that's being spoken of and it's really interesting how you present it and it's

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I don't know it's very interesting and I like it a lot but I'm gonna think about

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this a little more I'm gonna pause and then come back in a little bit with some

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more thoughts about this wonderful book all right so I'm no longer on the road

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but now I'm outside where there's wind noise yeah hopefully my my audio tools

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can take care of that but I'm also cupping the phone in my hand so we'll

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see how this works out anyway I thought about it some more and it's just a

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beautiful book it's a beautiful beautiful book and those notes or notions

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or hints at like the supernatural and God and you know something beyond this

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world they're soft enough that I really don't think they should offend anybody's

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sensibilities don't think they should offend anybody anyway but like even if

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you're a you know not a believer I would think you would be able to enjoy this

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and like I said I think anybody from any faith could enjoy this for you know the

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the plain face you know fantasy writing of it and also for the spiritualistic

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elements in it which I think are really interesting so I'm gonna go ahead and

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give like a tiny summary which is that basically a you know in a world in a

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world where one man I know in a world where humans and goblins live together

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at the same time and know of each other's existence and they don't live

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side-by-side or in cooperation at all the there is an issue where there's a

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goblin kingdom underneath a human kingdom or at least near where a human

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king's castle is and as far as we can tell well I'm getting too in-depth and

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the plan for peace between humans and goblins is for the goblin king to abduct

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the human princess in order to marry off to his goblin son for them to well have

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a you know like a political union that brings peace between their two kingdoms

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which is something done in the human kingdom and or has been done in human

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kingdoms for thousands of years probably and that might sound weird it might if

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you think about it too hard it won't you know like it's gonna work I'll get back

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to that in a minute and the that's the plan that the goblins have they have a

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backup plan plan B which both get executed sort of and anyway along the

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way this princess has an encounter with her great big old grand grandmother and

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it's confusing as to what that means it's as confusing to me as it as it is

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to you to hear it for the first time you got to go through the book to really get

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it I mean I could spell it out but I don't want to because it's such a joy to

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experience and I didn't know what to expect I didn't read I just knew this was

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a classic so learning that the well no I summed up for you probably what's that's

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that's really the blurb a princess in a is you know plans it a goblin king plans

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to abduct a princess to marry off to his son to bring peace between his goblin

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people and the human people above ground who they call the children of the Sun

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and you know the princess gets saved through mysterious means and through not

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so mysterious means and what basically happens is that her great to whatever

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degree grandmother ends up through supernatural means helping to save the

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princess and she also aids this boy Kurtie who the princess meets in the

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book fairly early on and through aids of through means of her magical assistance

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that she's able to give them she's able to save them both and help them save

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each other and ultimately save the kingdom of men from the goblins and

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ultimately peace is brought about but it's in an interesting way and it's not

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quite what you would expect there's no grand war against the goblins there's

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no gosh I don't know it's just it goes about it all in a very interesting way

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and I made allusion to this by didn't finish what I was saying earlier I was

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so afraid for the princess throughout this whole book or the first time anyway

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throughout most of the book I was so scared what was gonna happen to her

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because I knew they wanted to abduct her and I didn't know what to think of this

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great-grandma ma who shares her name she's Queen Irene and this is Princess

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Irene that we're dealing with and it's just all it's also mysterious and it's

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not spelled out at all so you don't really know what's going on until you

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get to the end of the book and I'm not even sure by the time I finished the

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first time I understood it in fact I don't think I did understand it I bet I

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hope I want for Kurti and the princess to have more information in it that makes

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me or that helps me understand the context of what was going on because the

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Queen Irene refers to things that you know the princess Irene is too young to

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know about I I can tell old she's eight years old she a little older than that

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it's probably the max she could be maybe nine sheltered naive princess like that

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all cooped up in the castle that would make sense and then you know Kurti

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probably is 12 13 maybe 14 at the most and there's no like there's a friendship

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and a kinship between them or not kinship and there's an appreciation for

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each other and there's not a romantic subtext to it at all but at the same

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time I don't know if it's because it's a fairy tale or it's because you know I'm

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not seeing these kids or what but like I want there to be a you know following

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book that has them you know eventually falling in love and getting married

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because it just seems appropriate like Kurti is a really good kid he's a really

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good guy he's noble he's kind he's helpful he's generous he loves his mom

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and his dad and he wants to help them out and it's very clear to them you know

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narrative and it's really interesting so that I mean the book is about the

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princess but you know princess Irene but it's it's like she's our point of view

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person I mean it really is her and Kurti both that takes you into this

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fantastical world but the way that it's revealed to her in her innocent child

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like way where she just like sweetly accepts things that are going on and

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like I don't know like lovingly and faithfully embraces that life is gonna

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be good for her and treat her well it's it's really beautiful something about

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the naivete of a child and you know the fact that she's not my kid like all

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makes it really wonderful and I think I just really think that this is a classic

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that should remain like I know my eldest read it and I want to read this to my

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other kids because it's just that wonderful so I'll have to work on that

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pretty soon we're reading through Oz books right now and I know like this is

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like I really enjoy the Oz books but this is almost like way better I like

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how many Oz books there are though it's nice that there are so many and that

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they're so fun and so cute but it's more like they're like candy as opposed to I

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don't know wholesome you know roast or something like I don't know how to like

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this is like a stew this book is like a stew it's wonderful and warming and

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comfortable or comforting but it's also like nourishing to the soul and it's

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just really beautiful I don't know what else to say about it we have the cast of

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characters is pretty small you have Kurtie you have the princess Irene you

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have her nurse who she calls nursey whose name is actually Lutie or something

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close to Lutie then there's her father the king I already mentioned Queen Irene

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her grandmother you have Kuri's mom and dad which they're the Petersons his dad's

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name is Peter and then he's Peters and like a couple soldiers and just like

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some other random people and other than that is like the the king of the

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goblins and his wife and the prince and a little goblin family and I know it's

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just really interesting these like examinations of people that you get and

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like the goblins you know humans are foreign to goblins and goblins are

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foreign to humans so like there's this like mutual like fear and distrust they

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have of each other but like you can also appreciate each of them in their own

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cultures and like who they are and that they're coming from like vastly

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different perspectives and they both look down on each other you know like a

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mirroring way where you know humans are oh those terrible creatures they're so

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ugly and they hide underground and they don't appreciate the Sun and the goblins

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say oh those humans those gigantic ugly creatures they live under the Sun which

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is so glaring and terrible and hurts our eyes and you know they don't know what

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beauty or intelligence is or you know they're you know vicious and things like

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that and I know it's really interesting I don't think I mean this was from the

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1870s right so I don't think this guy was like you know a post-racial I know

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he could have been like a freedom fighter or like a abolitionist or

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whatever I don't even know when slavery ended sorry this is a literature podcast

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not a history podcast okay but I'm just saying in the context of his time he

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very well might have been racist and other things but like he presents such a

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human world such a warm loving world such a gentle world especially because

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it's through Princess Irene's perspective mostly and Curtis too and

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he's such a sweet kid but like these people are you know warm and generous and

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helpful and loving yeah to their kin and how would they react to other people I

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don't know it doesn't matter it's not in the narrative the point is you know you

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are gonna read this in your family in your home and it's gonna tell you it's

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gonna show you it's gonna inspire you to be more loving more kind more gentle more

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trusting to give the benefit of the doubt to people in your family in your

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circle who you love and who are closest to you because they are the closest

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people to you so therefore you should treat them with this deference and

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humility so that you can all get along better can you can have a flourishing

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meaningful more joyful life and it's just I know this is a really good book

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it's really interesting and like the more I think about it them the better it

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gets this is one of my second time reading it I think this will become one

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of my I don't know how frequently I won't want to read books I remember

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hearing about Christopher Lee sir Christopher Lee would read Lord of the

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Rings and the Hobbit or just flip that reverse it every year over like his

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Christmas break or whatever and that's kind of cool you know it's neat there's

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a lot of hours worth of content right there to read but if you're sitting home

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and you know foggy UK I guess you could do that so yeah I don't know there's

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there's a couple of books that I thought I'll read this every year but if I do

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that then I'll be reading all those books every single year a year and year

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out but I think this is definitely something to revisit every couple years

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you know every two years read this again it's really really fantastic and I

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appreciate it so much I hope you got something out of this casual book chat

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because I don't really have more to say and I don't want to belabor the point I

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feel like I've kind of repeated myself a little bit already but I mean I just

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finished this book and it's that much having an impact on me that I just kind

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of want to rave about it a little bit without going into too many details

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because I want to leave it open for you to to read for yourself and experience

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it firsthand because it really is something to experience firsthand it's

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it's really wonderful the only thing I'll say about it is the fear that I

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felt for Irene I don't know some youtuber a while ago a couple years back

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talked about the purple feeling I think is what he called it I know if that's

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what it is or not but like like how 80s kids shows would legitimately scare you

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and you were scared and wanted to look away but you stuck around and stayed

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because something about the way everything was balanced in the

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presentation of those stories maybe even like the never-ending story and things

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like that which are you know grotesque and wonderful and scary but also

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beautiful and sweet like those things made you feel that weird tension and

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maybe I felt that same sort of tension you know as an adult with kids of my own

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reading for reading this book especially from Princess Irene's perspective because

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I'm a father and I know what it's like to have your kids wander off and

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basically this kid keeps wandering off and getting lost in her own home and

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that's that's a scary thought especially for today's day and age where we don't

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let our kids go very far and maybe we should maybe we should anyway that's it

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for this casual book chat I didn't really do a strong formal intro to this

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so this is story over everything episode I think it's 25 is what this should be

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and it should be airing on or publishing on June 30th 2023 so I'm putting all that

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stuff at the back here it doesn't need to go at the front necessarily and I'll

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go ahead and let the outro roll except where I will say check out all my other

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stuff I have a weekly roundup post that I've been doing on mgmwnews.com where

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you can see everything that I've written everything that I've drawn everything

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that I've done analysis for because I'm an author artist and analyzer and

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therefore I want to make sure that I'm writing every day pretty much drawing

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every day pretty much and I don't need to analyze something every day but the

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the stuff that I like it's being very prolific with its output right now so

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I'm analyzing a lot and I'd like to analyze less I'd like to do like three

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things a week and then devote the rest of my time to writing and thinking about

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writing and drawing and stuff so anyway I'd really appreciate if you checked all

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that out you can you know like this share this subscribe tell other people

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about it check out my work as I'm chronicling my journey as an author

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artist and analyzer and trying to figure out how to write books and tell really

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good meaningful stories by you know just writing doing the work of writing which

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I'm doing writing in public I'm basically sharing everything with you as

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I write my current series of books I'll just put it that way and as time goes on

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I think I'll continue to do that and have that stuff be free on the website

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you can find it all you know there and I'll link it in a nice way so it's all

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you know tidy and pretty easy for you to find everything and read a whole book or

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series of chapters or whatever in your chronological order where like I said

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it was easy to find user-friendly and then you know eventually when they get

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published off links for them and also do call to action to help try to raise

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funds for my children's picture books which need to be illustrated that takes

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money because I am well I think my energy is best devoted to writing right

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now and writing these stories and then doing the campaigns and then gathering

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money together for an artist to do the work for me at least that aspect of the

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work so yeah so you can find all that stuff there and that's that's all I'm

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gonna say for now so I'm gonna go ahead and get out of here I hope that you are

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well that you continue to be well this is MJ signing out I hope you enjoyed

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that go to MJMunoz.com to leave any questions comments or other feedback you

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might have there you can find all of my analysis art and fiction I cover books

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tokusatsu comic books anime and more look around you're sure to find something

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else that you'll enjoy as well this has been a story over everything production

