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Welcome to the Album Nerds podcast with your hosts, Andy, Don, and Dude.

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No clever quips this time.

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I don't have anything new, Wavish.

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I mean, I could wave, but no one would see it.

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I'm waving right now.

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I'm about to podcast, so sorry.

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This is the Album Nerds podcast.

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I'm Dude.

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I got Andy and Don with me.

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Eddie, how the hell you doing, my friend?

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Doing pretty freaking well, man.

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Glad to be talking about our, seems to be our favorite time on podcast here,

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that 70s to 80s period.

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Sorry, sorry, sweet spot.

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That's when people started waving differently.

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I think that's like when the kind of the half knuckle thing.

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Are you coming around to it being a new wave?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So that's what I was trying to avoid, this is of course the Album Nerds podcast.

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We love albums, the album format, talking about them and making terrible jokes.

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We've got a great show for you this week.

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We're each going to present a new wave album from the classic new wave era,

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late 70s, early 80s.

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Don's going to ask us a deep question.

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Then we're going to have some shout outs to some other albums and album

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related items we're digging.

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And then of course we'll spin that wheel of musical discovery to find out what

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we'll talk about on the next show.

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But this time it's all about that new wave.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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New wave music emerged in the late 1970s as a diverse and eclectic genre,

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blending elements of punk, pop and electronic music with a distinctive visual aesthetic.

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Many influential new wave albums not only shaped the sound of a generation,

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but also had a lasting impact on popular music and culture.

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Today, each of us will present a new wave album.

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Yeah, I think the challenge here is the synth pop, new wave, post-punk,

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all have very similar DNA.

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I mean, they're, I would say they're brothers and sisters of each other.

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You can tell they're related.

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They look related, but they don't look like twins or triplets.

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They're the same family though.

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That's probably a distinction that only matters to podcast hosts and marketers.

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Yeah, true.

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So through your travels through new wave albums and trying to straddle those lines,

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what other albums did you consider before you made your final choice?

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Well, there's lots of good stuff in the space.

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I enjoyed some stuff from Joe Jackson and X-Ray Specs.

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But the one that struck out to me the most was from an artist or band called Japan,

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an album in 1981 called Tindrum.

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They're from South London, kind of like elements of like glam rock and art rock,

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but there's some like really like weird kind of avant-garde sounds in there,

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in their music as well.

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It's kind of like very weird sort of Bowie style vocal.

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And yeah, that was really interesting.

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It's an interesting record if you haven't heard it.

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I did not cross paths with that.

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I'll check that out.

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How about you Don?

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Why do I sound so confrontational there?

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How about you Don?

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How'd you do?

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Well, I wanted to just bring attention to one that was kind of under the radar,

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the Soft Boys, right?

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Good name.

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Oh, it's kind of like the Viagra Boys, right?

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It's like they're evil.

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But their second album, Underwater Moonlight from 1980, is really a solid record.

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But the Soft Boys features Robin Hitchcock, who we've talked about

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on the show multiple times.

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Also Kimberly Roo from Katrina and the Waves,

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who is not the girl from Katrina and the Waves.

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It's a guy named Kimberly, which is interesting.

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Oh, well, all right then.

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All right, dude.

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So, I mean, I consider things like Elvis Costello and the Attractions,

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but I felt like that was a little more post-punk than New Wave.

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Again, a tough line to draw.

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But I really considered one of the most obvious things I think that people think

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of is a Flock of Seagulls self-titled album.

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Although that's more synth pop, really.

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But the crazy hairstyle that is like a hallmark of goofy 80s trends.

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The album was released in 1982.

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It's distinctive, synth driven, atmospheric, and hits like I Ran and Space Age Love Song.

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And the album really did help to find 80s New Wave movement.

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like echoed and just so much effect on it.

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So much reverb. Yeah.

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Yeah, they definitely carved out a unique sound all their own.

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All right. So enough about what we almost chose.

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Let's get to our actual choices.

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You choo choo choose me?

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Right from a New Wave selection, we are talking about Blondie

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and their 1978 album Parallel Lines.

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It's the third studio album for the sixth piece from New York City.

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New York City.

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Thank you.

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So first with new producer Mike Chapman, who is from Australia.

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He worked with groups like The Knack.

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Let's see. The album went on to place number one on UK charts,

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number six in the US and six total singles on it over its lifetime.

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Wow. Yeah, pretty successful for them.

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Let's jump in and play the big hit.

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This is One Way or Another.

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This is about Debbie Harry, the lead singer of Blondie there.

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One of her ex-boyfriends who had turned into a stalker

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and was trying to get her to get her.

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My clickbait headline for Parallel Lines is

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Blondie draws a line in the New Wave sand and asks,

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are you feeling lucky punk?

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Well, do you punk?

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Debbie Harry jokes.

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That's good. I like it.

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Man, I've been waiting for a while to talk about this record.

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It's been on my short list of albums for many, many episodes in the past here.

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It's such a lively kind of like, I mean, it's pop rock really.

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I mean, there's elements of punk and I guess, you know, this kind of falls into that New Wave bucket.

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But I think they really kind of straddle the line here of like that space between punk, pop, and rock, I guess.

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It's so hooky.

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Each track is like super quick.

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Everything's like, you know, two or three minutes long, super fun.

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But it's got a real professionalism to it, I guess I would say.

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Everything sounds kind of polished and put in the right place.

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I think a lot of that ties back to the production there of Mike Chapman.

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So the album title Parallel Lines, does that have anything to do with the styles that they incorporate into their sound that are all equal and parallel to each other?

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Everything bounds just in the right spot.

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I thought you were going to say cocaine.

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Yes, well, Studio 54 and whatnot.

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It's got a lot of great, just iconic tracks on it.

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A lot of good singles too, but I think it really holds up well as an album as a whole.

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Why don't we dig in here and play?

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Another cut from the album was the other big single, Heart of Glass.

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I think that's my favorite disco song of all time, if you could officially call it a disco track.

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It's got a disco feel.

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So that's written by Debbie Harry and guitarist Chris Stein.

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Harry said that the song, it was actually one of the first ones they ever wrote, but they just tried it so many different times in different styles.

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They had it as a ballad and then like as a reggae tune.

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And then it finally worked with this kind of Euro disco treatment.

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Actually, it uses a Roland CR 78 drum machine synchronized with real drums.

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So you're actually hearing both the electronic and the real drums, which I think sort of is symbolic of who they are.

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They're sort of merging that humanity with the digital, with the electronic.

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I kind of like some of those more subtle guitar parts out there that don't get the attention, but it's just – it's an important part of the song and you don't even really notice it.

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Yeah, you love a good guitar lick, especially if it's got a good rhythm to it.

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Yeah. According to Harry, the lyrics aren't about anyone specific. She said she called it a plaintive moan about lost love.

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Anyway, my clickbait headline for Parallel Lines is Blondie Serves Dagwood a Giant Bubblegum and Punk Sandwich.

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So for our younger listeners, I don't know if they know Blondie, the cartoon, the comic strip.

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But yeah, the guy – it was about a husband and wife and the guy liked eating these really piled high sandwiches.

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So it was a really hilarious joke. I enjoyed it.

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You're welcome. Actually, in some parts of the country, they'll call sandwiches dagwoods.

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Yeah. I used to try to make those when I was a kid all the time. The key was at the top, you had to take a toothpick with an olive on the top of the sandwich.

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I don't know why, but that's the way it was.

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Anyway, back to the music. So yeah, there is kind of like a bubblegum pop sound to some of the songs, which kind of works.

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But I feel like it's almost ironic or something.

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Yeah. Well, yeah. But I mean, if you look at it, I feel like this and many New Wave albums, their foundations come from 60s garage rock and 60s pop,

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which then was eaten and shut out as punk. And then as we came into this New Wave, they reincorporated some of those sounds and influences of their childhood.

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Right? So it's bound to happen.

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It's all connected. Big pile of shit.

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The cool thing about art is that you can be ironic and so you can sort of do lame things, but call it.

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Right. You can do something you really secretly love and want to do, and then you can pretend that it's some sort of statement.

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I mean, yeah. I think about New York City's art scene in that period, Andy Warhol. I guess Debbie was kind of close with that.

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It's kind of like what they did. I mean, they're kind of making fun of pop culture.

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Yeah. Here's different colored cans of soup. Oh, how brilliant.

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So, you know, Debbie Harry is, I think, an interesting vocalist.

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I mean, she doesn't have like a traditionally beautiful voice or anything, but it has a lot of attitude and a lot of character.

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Yeah. And confidence. Yeah.

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She's sort of like a more palatable Patti Smith, I think, in some ways.

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Yeah. Her voice is more palatable. Yeah.

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Her whole vibe is more inviting. Patti Smith is kind of like shut up and listen. Yeah.

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You know? That's a good point. In my opinion.

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Yeah. Yeah. Also, I just want to mention the rest of the band. Some, I think, underrated drumming by Clem Burke.

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Yeah. I think some really good post-punk drums going on there.

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And also, again, the guitar parts, that's Stein and Infante. They have a lot of sort of jangly guitar going on.

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But then, you know, some more like edgier punk riffs.

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Yeah. I think the guitar parts especially work really well when they do get to those more angular punk adjacent sounds there.

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I had read that producer Mike Chapman said that the band was the worst group of technically proficient musicians he had ever worked with prior to this recording.

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All right. So let's hear another one from the record here. And this is, towards the end, this is Sunday Girl.

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There's that bubble gum sound that came up earlier.

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So Debbie Harry wrote that song about a cat that belonged to her then boyfriend guitarist Chris Stein, who was also in the band.

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The cat often went missing on Sundays, sparking the melancholic upbeat vibe of the track.

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A blend of 60s girl group influences and then that new wave flair.

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It's catchy and very polished sounding, but it's upbeat and wistful and just kind of fun to listen to.

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Explores themes of love and longing and nostalgia in a very cute package.

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I like the idea of a cat that runs off on Sundays.

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My clickbait headline to describe Parallel Lines, the album that made disco, punk and new wave play nice and took Blondie to the top.

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And I think this album is so varied. I mean, the two big hits, you know, it's worth the price of admission.

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And then some of these other songs are like experiments in playing with rock and roll sounds.

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As I mentioned, those splashes of 60s garage rock, but then there's also disco influence. So it sounds very timely at the same time.

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But it's cool enough that I think a person who hated disco would gladly do the hustle or whatever to heart of glass and be fine.

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You know, feel like they were they were still cool.

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It feels like throughout the album, they didn't lean one way or the other.

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They just kind of found the sound that felt nice.

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Right down the middle, sort of. I think it's a very interesting record.

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It's a quick listen coming under 40 minutes.

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Each track, I think, accomplishes a lot.

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And it sounds it sounds great.

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Even after all these years, if you have not heard Blondie's Parallel Lines, please, please do so.

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Before we get into our next new wave album selection, why don't we hear from our friends over at the Polyphonic Press?

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Do you love music? Do you want to explore classic albums?

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If you answered yes, then check out Polyphonic Press.

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I'm Jeremy. And along with my co-host, John, we rely on the patented random album generator to pick an album for us to review.

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At the top of each show, we have no idea what album we're going to be listening to.

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That's what keeps it really exciting.

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We dig real deep into these albums.

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So if this sounds interesting, come along with us on this journey because you never know what you might find.

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We release a new episode every Tuesday morning.

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That's Polyphonic Press, and we're available on every podcast platform.

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I did answer both of those questions. Yes. I don't know about you fellas, but.

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Yeah, actually. How did you know?

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So yeah, go check out Polyphonic Press. It's a real nice list.

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So we're crossing the Atlantic now to England where it's New Wive.

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New Wive.

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So my pick is The Psychedelic Furs, their album from 1982 called Forever Now.

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It's the third studio album by the band formed in London in 1977 by vocalist Richard Butler and his brother bassist Tim Butler.

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The lineup for Forever Now also includes guitarist John Ashton and Vince Eli on drums.

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They had previously had six members. So that would be what, a sextet.

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But they had lost saxophonist Duncan Kilburn and guitarist Roger Morris after their previous album Talk Talk Talk.

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They also were without their producer, Steve Lilly White, who was too busy.

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They ended up working with Todd Rundgren.

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Interesting pivot.

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Yeah. And actually they had wanted to work with David Bowie, but they would have had to wait for him like several months.

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You wait.

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You wait for Bowie. I feel like that's a no-brainer.

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Well, I think ultimately they didn't like that they were being compared to Bowie all the time.

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So they wanted to distance themselves.

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But yeah, so they worked with Rundgren in Woodstock, New York. And yeah, then we have Forever Now.

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So here's a cut called Only You and I.

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I think that's probably my favorite psychedelic for a song.

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I just like that intense, like the whole song. It just feels really intense.

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Also features some cello by Anne Sheldon.

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And the lyrics, I'm not sure about, maybe obsession, suicide. I don't know.

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There's a bang bang in there. So I don't know if it's metaphorical.

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Yeah, I do have trouble sort of figuring out what his lyrics mean sometimes.

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And maybe it's the kind of thing where it's stream of consciousness or something,

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and they're not really meant to mean anything literally.

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But yeah, so I mean, Butler, I mean, he doesn't have, I guess just like Debbie Harry,

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he doesn't have like a traditionally great singing voice.

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I don't think he would have sung solos in the choir, but he just has a lot of charisma.

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I mean, he's got that raspy or I don't know, like he smokes.

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I think he is a smoker.

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There's a sadness in it, which I think helps keep in check the new wave poppiness

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where it's there, but his vocals have a way of kind of keeping it from getting out of control.

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Yeah, yeah, that's true. But he has kind of that aggressive sound at times,

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almost like a Johnny Rotten kind of thing.

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Yeah, a little snarl.

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And then he gets these like soft spoken phrases like, you don't get a vote, you know,

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which I don't know if that's a Bowie thing kind of, maybe it is.

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I also hear like, I just think maybe it's just the era and the part of the world that they all come from.

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But there's also like, it's kind of Smithsy, Morrissey-y.

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Yeah, there's just, there's a sad wistfulness through all three of their voices

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when Bowie is doing straight singing and not the theatrical stuff anyway.

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All right, well, my clickbait headline for Forever Now is psychedelic furs provide timeless heartbreak beat.

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So later in their career, they have a – actually their biggest American hit was called Heartbreak Beat.

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So that's what I'm talking about there.

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But I do think they capture sort of this romantic thing of like heartbreak,

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even though it still sort of has like a punk rock attitude.

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And there's just this weird balance between that punk rock attitude and that romantic spirit.

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Anyway, let's hear more.

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This is actually their first US charting song.

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This is Love My Way.

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I heard that song many times over the years.

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I didn't really know it was psychedelic furs.

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So it was a pleasant surprise while checking this album out.

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It's a marimba-driven track.

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Yeah, hallmark of the new wave.

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I think they just kind of do whatever they want and there's nowhere else to put them but new wave

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when people are trying to categorize them, you know.

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Written by frontman Richard Butler, initially aimed at addressing issues of sexuality,

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particularly for those struggling with their identity.

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I'm not 100% sure. I mean, I read what I read, but that fits.

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Kind of marked the shift in their sound and it's a little more polished and dreamy.

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I think that's why it fits into the new wave style.

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Todd Rundgren played the marimba on that from what I read.

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And finally got his shot for years. That's why he wanted to produce.

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He's like, I got to get some marimba in.

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I got the marimba time.

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Better than cowbell, man.

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I got to have more cowbell.

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My clickbait headline to describe the album,

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From post-punk to new wave, Forever Now explores love, alienation and identity with psychedelic furs, bold blended sound.

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It is a smorgasbord of sounds, but they all have that common thread of his haunting, captivating voice that takes on soaring moments.

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And like Todd said, the growly moments, his delivery helps hold this thing all together for me.

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So yeah, I mean, obviously it was informed by punk, but also glam rock.

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And, you know, the little xylophone or whatever and funky guitar riff on Only You and I is another example of just being innovative

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and doing weird stuff that somehow sounds good.

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So yeah, I really did enjoy this record a lot and I'll probably go check out some more psychedelic furs.

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I mean, I know Pretty in Pink, obviously, but a lot of people have spoken highly of them over the years.

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And I'm finally at the point where I'm ready to buy in.

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So thank you, Todd.

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You're welcome. It's also a very English album, I think, just the way he sings is English and the vibe and everything.

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Yeah. All right. Well, let's hear some more Englishness.

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Here's a song called Danger.

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I hear so much of like 90s British pop music in a track like that.

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Such a good synth line, got the horns in there.

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It's just kind of like a wall of sound, if you will, from this record kind of hitting you in the face.

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My clickbait headline for forever now is the furs ride the new wave over a new wall of sound.

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I think just gets you with like the old kitchen sink, man.

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There's so many things happening sonically throughout and it does shift a good amount from track to track.

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You know, mostly pretty bright and shiny, kind of fitting in with that new wave sound.

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But there is a stretch we kind of talked about in the middle of the record that's a little bit darker, a little bit more moody,

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a little got that British feel to it. It feels like a rainy British night sort of in the middle of the record there.

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But there's some good high energy moments too. I really enjoyed President Gas was a pretty upbeat track there that I wasn't expecting.

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Yeah. And lyrically, I think he just is so obtuse. Like what is he talking about?

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I'm never really sure. And lyrics even seem to shift like from verse to verse.

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Like words are a little bit different than they were previously.

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So it's like, is the meaning even important? Is it more just the sound we're getting out here?

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Which I think does work really well in the mix and his voice just like fits perfectly with all these other kind of sounds that are happening around him.

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And yeah, the whole thing works really well. I enjoyed it. I was not too familiar with them previously,

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but I think I would come back to them again and give them the opportunity.

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Sounds like you guys enjoyed it. So I'm glad about that. I'll just say, you know,

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I think the other two albums we discuss are probably more important in the grand scheme of music and stuff.

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But I think this is the one I enjoy listening to the most, maybe a bit more melodic and sappy. I don't know.

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Well, it's also I think it's a little less intentionally pop.

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And I think Blondie and the next album we're going to talk about, Devo, I think they were intentionally popping it up for radio and record sales and stuff.

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I don't think the Furs were doing that.

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All right. Well, for a wonderfully English album that balances post-punk passion with mainstream pop sensibilities,

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check out the Psychedelic Furs Forever Now from 1982.

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Excuse me. I'd like to ask you a few questions.

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Now it's time for Deep Questions by Don.

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So here we are again, kind of talking about music from the from the 80s.

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In what 80s fads did you participate?

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Yeah, I made a lot of questionable clothing decisions in the 80s.

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I needed. Well, the worst ones are the ones your parents allowed you to do.

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Yeah, they helped spur along some of these, unfortunately.

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I think the most egregious one that I still cannot live down to this day.

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I had I wore glasses. I was, you know, like in first, second grade.

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And I had these Flesen green Flesen was like a big, big thing in the 80s.

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Everything super bright. I had these Flesen green like eyeglass holders.

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I went around my glasses like if the glasses fell out, they would catch them.

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I wore those for like two or three years every day.

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I don't know why I thought they were cool. Gym class just like all the time.

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Never really took my glasses off, but I had them there just in case.

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It was like my cool little cool Flesen color. Yeah, I'm cool.

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80s, 80s Andy. I thought you were going to say more of the sunglasses that were like window blinds or window.

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I had those. Yeah, those were around a lot too.

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The disappointing part of those sunglasses, you couldn't close the blinds.

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No, I was open. Yeah, but you did.

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Oh, God. I mean, the list is so long because I grew up as a, you know,

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primarily throughout the 80s and as a kid making the worst choices possible.

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But, you know, parachute pants and anything break dancing related was was bad.

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But late in the 80s, I fell victim to the mullet. Nice.

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The spiky kind and shaved up high over my ears. So I'd like white walls.

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It didn't work for me, guys. I got to be honest.

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It didn't work for anybody really. I looked like Jack Skellington with a mullet.

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Not cool. Well, when I, I'm not sure how old I was.

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I might have been like seven or eight, but I actually bought one of those leather like spike bracelets.

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I remember those trips. My mom used to take me to the SMM store too.

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No, this was this was JCPenney, I think. Yeah, I think they were right next to the Michael Jackson gloves and the Boy George hat and stuff.

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Oh, yeah. Right. It was that kind of thing.

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I also remember, do you remember those like rubbery bracelets?

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They'd be like a solid color and then you could like attach two together.

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The jelly bracelets. Is that what they're called? Jelly bracelets? Yeah. Yeah, I did those too.

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Used to be able to get them out of gumball machines. Oh, gumball machines.

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I once got a purple rabbit's foot out of a gumball machine. Nice.

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Wow. That's a lucky day. Yeah. Poor purple rabbit.

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Somewhere out there. It's a good purple rabbit.

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All right. Well, what 80s fad did you participate in?

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Let us know on Instagram and Facebook or leave a comment on our website, AltheNerds.com.

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When a problem comes along, we all know it's you must whip it.

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So I went with Devo, formed in Akron, Ohio in 1973 by Gerald Casale.

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I don't know. And Mark Mothersbaugh. Great name.

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Influenced by 1970s political turmoil and societal decay.

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Going with their third studio album, Freedom of Choice from 1980.

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Why don't we jump in with a little bit of Whip It.

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Whip it good.

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So Freedom of Choice arrived at a critical moment for new wave music.

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Synthesizers were starting to be more prominent and Devo fully embraced that transition from guitar driven post-punk to more electronic danceable sound.

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Apparently their record contract was on the line.

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Their first album did pretty well and it's highly loved among Devo fans.

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Are We Not Men? We Are Devo.

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But this one is the most, when I was growing up, the flower pot head energy helmet or whatever they called them.

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That whole look was so iconic.

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The video for this was so what I thought New Wave was as a youngster.

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So yeah, Whip It is a deceptively upbeat anthem.

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Pretty nonsensical, but I took it as kind of like whatever you're doing to your utmost.

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Like give it your best sort of? Yeah.

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Kick its ass, you know? Whip it. Whip it good.

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Of course there were rumors that that was about something more personal and bedroomy, but we won't get into that.

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Produced by Robert Maguleff, known for his work with Stevie Wonder and helped them refine that electronic sound.

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Mike Lick made headlines to describe the album from whip cracks to synth stacks.

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Devo's Freedom of Choice helped define New Wave and made weird cool.

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So yeah, the nerd glasses, the synchronized dance moves they would do on stage, the whole kind of we're so uncool, we're cool.

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They're the kings of that. And this album was their coming out party in that regard, as far as I'm concerned.

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All right, so why don't we jump into a little bit of Gates of Steel. Man is real. I love that track.

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Yeah. Such a good, such a good anthem there, great synth line. And just that like punk rhythm underneath it.

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Dun dun dun dun dun dun. Yeah, really driving force to it.

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It seems to be about men maybe accepting their limitations too easily. I kind of get that as like maybe the pieces for this album in general is kind of like,

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we should be exploring our freedoms more and being more, more than just men.

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More than Devo.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, again, that my clickbait headline for Freedom of Choice is given the choice between men and Devo, this nerd picks team flower pot hat every time.

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It's such a, just a unique record. I mean, there's such a weird group of guys and what they produce is like really unlike anything else going on at this time.

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It's still sparse, kind of like their debut record, still thought provoking lyrically, kind of reminds me of like a good sci-fi movie to some degree.

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Like there's like a moral behind all these songs, even though they're kind of weird.

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These guys jump around in the pool of goofiness because they had the confidence to do so. And these guys do that where it's serious political theater at times as the kind of undercurrent, but it seems all.

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Kind of like they're making fun of it on the surface.

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It's all fun and games. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's a really interesting mix. This record to me sounds much more polished than their earlier stuff.

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It's much more produced and much more in line with that sort of synth heavy sound of the period, which maybe isn't quite as exciting to me,

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but it does fit well with that sort of like we're not from this world sort of vibe they have going on.

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So all of their earlier work is a lot of covers are used. And this is really their, I believe it's their first album of all originals,

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which is kind of impressive because there are a lot of really original ideas out of this album.

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So that kind of feels like it kind of came out of the blue. So that is pretty cool.

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I think this is probably their creative peak also, but it's a hell of a peak.

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Well said. Let's have a peek at the next track.

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There's still some punk rock in there.

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Would you say that Reezer took some cues from Devo? I never thought about it before, but listening to this record a lot of times,

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there were moments. It's not just the glasses.

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That was the obvious time.

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I hadn't thought of that. Maybe.

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Something to think about.

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Yeah, I'll buy it. Same sensibility maybe and sense of humor.

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Well, Freedom of Choice was written by Mothersbaugh and Casale. So yeah, so it addresses the paradox of freedom and responsibility.

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I think people mistake it for sort of a celebration of personal freedom, but it's actually sort of talking about

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people often prefer to have decisions made for them because it's difficult.

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And they actually use a line. In ancient Rome, there was a poem about a dog who found two bones.

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He picked at one. He licked the other. He went in circles till he dropped dead.

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And I think that's like that old fable or I think it's called Buridan's Asp paradox about the donkey who's thirsty and hungry.

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Hi, professor. We're going too deep here.

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So when you're faced with two choices, maybe you just die or you'd – I don't know where to resurrect that.

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Anyway, another interesting fact about the song, when it was released as a single,

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there was actually no A or B side labeled. So it instructed buyers to use their freedom of choice to decide which side to listen to.

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I love that. That's so Devo.

428
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:36,480
So Mike Clickbait headline for freedom of choice is, Rejecting Their Namesake, Devo Evolves into Radio Friendly Songsmiths.

429
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:42,480
So Devo is like short for de-evolution. So yeah, I mean they show an evolution here.

430
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,480
As Andy pointed out, they're writing songs even though there's still the art to it,

431
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:56,480
sort of this almost avant – not really avant-garde but sort of this silly satire approach. It's palatable here, right?

432
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,480
And they've got hit songs going.

433
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,480
Yeah, they really figured out how to make their weirdness accessible, like more palatable I guess.

434
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,480
And visually sort of performance art as well, the energy domes.

435
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Supposedly they were designed to recirculate brain energy.

436
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:19,480
And the de-evolution philosophy I guess was inspired by a 1924 pamphlet titled,

437
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,480
The Jocko-Homo-Heaven-Bound, which explored the idea that humanity was regressing.

438
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,480
Yeah, fits.

439
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,480
Well, Devo was progressing at the time.

440
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:29,480
Yeah.

441
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,480
A little bit of both. I think Steps Forward and Back is the name of the game.

442
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,480
So some other album highlights you should check out, Girl You Want, Exploring an Obsessive Infatuation,

443
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,480
very energetic new wave sound, Planet Earth, a warning about environmental degradation.

444
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480
That's a fresh message today.

445
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,480
These guys just have a lot to say.

446
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:54,480
Yeah. And Cold War, dual critique of geopolitical tensions and interpersonal stalemates.

447
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,480
So there's a lot going on here. It's poppy, it's synthy, it's fun,

448
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,480
a manifesto for a world hurtling toward technological dominance from Whippet to Gates of Steel.

449
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:08,480
Its tracks still resonate with the timeless mix of wit, satire and some innovation in there.

450
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,480
So if you haven't listened to this album, go check out Devo, Freedom of Choice.

451
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,480
So they can choose not to?

452
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Or choose not to, yes. That would be the more Devo thing to do.

453
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,480
Can you dig it?

454
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,480
Can you dig it?

455
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Can you dig it?

456
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Okay, well we dug deep all week into some new wave. What else were you digging?

457
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:36,480
What did you fill your flower pot with, Andy?

458
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,480
Let's see here. I got a couple things I can put in the upside down pyramid.

459
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,480
First one for me is from a Los Angeles black metal group named Siviris.

460
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,480
They have a new album out, second full length, called Maze Envy.

461
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,480
It's a fairly punishing record, but at times there's some beauty as well. Let's hear the title track.

462
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:01,480
Are you sure this isn't called Ear Drum Splitter?

463
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:08,480
It's a subtitle I think. It's an intense record, but it's very good.

464
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,480
The next one for me, or last one for me here is well known artist Megan Thee Stallion.

465
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,480
She has her new album out called Simply Megan.

466
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,480
I'm not really a big fan of her. I think she's a little, I don't know, commercial for me.

467
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,480
But this album is really good.

468
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,480
Oh yes, it's a sell out.

469
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,480
Yeah, she's a bit of a sell out.

470
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,480
Let's play, this is track seven, A Taku Hot Girl.

471
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,480
I really want to write this album off, but it is so freaking catchy.

472
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,480
There's so many good beats to it. I just keep coming back to it.

473
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Wow.

474
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:46,480
So Megan Thee Stallion.

475
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,480
She's a savage.

476
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Have you been digging around on?

477
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:56,480
I was at a family gathering this past weekend and my nephew brought an artist to my attention.

478
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:01,480
MKG, it's stylized, it's just the letters MK then a period and then G-E-E.

479
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Actually his real name is Michael Todd Gordon.

480
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,480
He's a singer songwriter from Summers Point, New Jersey.

481
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,480
Album's called Two Star and the Dream Police, released back in February this year.

482
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,480
There's a song called Onessus or Olesis.

483
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,480
The album cover is, at least for this song, it's a little misleading.

484
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,480
It looks like a guy shredding on an electric guitar.

485
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:28,480
I'm glad you brought that up though because it's presented in this atmospheric bedroom pop style,

486
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,480
but there's some really interesting guitar work going on, but you have to really listen to it.

487
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,480
Then back to the holiday theme, I'm kind of running out of these.

488
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,480
You thought you had the easy path.

489
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Just picking a holiday record.

490
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,480
It's getting tougher.

491
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,480
I found one, this is actually classical, so it's duo playel yuletide treats.

492
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Basically, they're all classical pieces that are meant to be duets on the piano.

493
00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:04,480
This is a husband and wife team, Alexandra Nepaniashkaia and Richard Egger.

494
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,480
They're just playing on the same piano.

495
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:14,480
They go through some more obscure pieces, then they get to Handel's Messiah and then the Nutcracker Suite.

496
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,480
That's nutcracker-y.

497
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,480
That's the nutcracker.

498
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Again, it's duo playel, D-U-O-P-L-E-Y-E-L, yuletide treats.

499
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,480
What are you digging, dude?

500
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,480
Well, something pretty similar to that actually, not at all.

501
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,480
This is a band called Amel and the Sniffers.

502
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,480
The album is Cartoon Darkness.

503
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,480
Just came out this year.

504
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,480
They're an Australian pub rock band from Melbourne, known for their raucous energy and punk-infused sound.

505
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,480
Let's listen to a little bit of Jerkin.

506
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,480
Merry Christmas.

507
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:57,480
So yeah, this actually reminds me a bit of The Chats, another pub rock band from Australia.

508
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:03,480
I think the accent, the Australian accent really works well for this type of punk.

509
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,480
It does.

510
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Yeah, it's more punk than even the British accent.

511
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:07,480
Yeah, I don't know.

512
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,480
It's just so hard sounding at times.

513
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Not to reference the song at all, but anyway.

514
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,480
Yeah, they're an interesting band.

515
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,480
They're fun to listen to, so I recommend if you like that punk rock sound, go check out Amel and the Sniffers.

516
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:31,480
For my vinyl selection, decided that stick in the new wave trajectory here with an album I've had for many years.

517
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:39,480
I think I picked up one of those times when records were still pretty cheap and you could buy 20 for 20 bucks at the record store.

518
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,480
Wow.

519
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:41,480
Older records.

520
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,480
This one's The Cars, self-titled.

521
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,480
Let's listen to a little bit of Good Times.

522
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,480
A great blend of new wave pop and rock.

523
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480
Great melodies, catchy hooks, and just what I needed.

524
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,480
My best friend's girl.

525
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,480
Great songs.

526
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Great record.

527
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,480
Fun to have and essential to any, in my opinion, vinyl collection.

528
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,480
You can probably find it for a reasonable price.

529
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Excellent.

530
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,480
What are you digging?

531
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Let us know.

532
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,480
Join us on the socials, Facebook, Instagram, Blue Sky, and threads.

533
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,480
Also, our website, AlbumNerds.com.

534
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,480
It will be a discovery of extraordinary value.

535
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Well, it's about that time on the show and I'm reminded of the great Irish singer-songwriter Sinead O'Connor who said,

536
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,480
it was the case in the 70s and 80s that people believed music could change the world.

537
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,480
But now people aren't making music just because they want to change the world.

538
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,480
They're making music because they just want to make a ton of money.

539
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,480
Like Megan Thee Stallion.

540
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,480
Yes.

541
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:49,480
With that in mind, let's bring out my friend and yours, Wodbot, to see what we're talking about on next week's episode.

542
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,480
It's time to journey back to the heartfelt, harmonious, and transformative era of the mid-century folk revival.

543
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:07,480
Next time, you'll delve into three iconic albums that captured the spirit of social change,

544
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:13,480
poetic storytelling, and timeless melodies shaping the soundtracks of a generation.

545
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,480
So we're going to get hit hard with that mid-century folk revival.

546
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Some 50s, 60s folk music.

547
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,480
I want to get folked up.

548
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,480
Folk you.

549
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Oh boy. All the puns coming your way next week.

550
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,480
What's your favorite New Wave record? How about folk?

551
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:37,480
Leave a comment on our website or email us at podcast at albumnerds.com.

552
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,480
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553
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,480
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554
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,480
And if you'd like to support the show, you can do so via PayPal at albumnerds.com slash support.

555
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,480
Thank you once again for joining us on the Album Nerds podcast.

556
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,480
We'll see you next time when we folk around.

557
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,480
Thanks for listening, everybody. See you then.

558
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,480
Yes and how many roads must a man walk down

559
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Before you can call him a man

560
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,480
Wow, that was something.

561
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,480
What's the answer?

562
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,480
Blowing in the wind.

563
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Right on.

