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Welcome to the Album Nerds podcast with your hosts, Andy, Don, and Dude.

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Andy's back.

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Yay.

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Aw, shit.

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This is the Album Nerds podcast.

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I'm Dude.

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And of course we got Andy and Don with me.

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Andy, welcome back from Safari, my friend.

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And you're part the adventurer.

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Thanks guys.

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Yeah, I missed you guys.

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It was rough out there in the outback.

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My thoughts and prayers are with you guys.

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So, glad to be back.

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Sometimes when we were doing the show, I could like feel you moving through me.

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That's why I was so brilliant on those episodes.

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Yeah, I set mine in spirit as a little guide for you guys.

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I kept calling everyone sell-outs.

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That's how I knew.

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Okay, yeah, that was me.

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Don, how are you doing, my friend?

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Well, when I was a kid, we had a dog that if you went away on vacation or something,

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when you got home, he'd ignore you.

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So, I'm going to give Andy that treatment.

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That is a unique dog.

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I like it.

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All right, so this is the Album Nerds podcast.

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We love albums in the album format.

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So we've got a great show for you this week.

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We're going to be talking about some albums that feature Anger.

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So we'll each pick one and present them.

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Don's going to ask us a deep question.

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We're going to have some shout outs to some albums and album related items that we're

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digging and then we're going to spin that wheel of musical discovery to find out what

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we'll talk about next time.

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This week, it's all about the anger.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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Anger has long been a powerful driving force in music, fueling some of the most iconic

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and influential albums across various genres.

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From the raw aggression of punk rock to the searing social commentary of hip hop, albums

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that channel anger have resonated deeply with listeners, often becoming cultural touchstones

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that reflect the frustrations and discontent of their times.

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So today, each of us will present an album that expresses anger.

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God damn it.

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Wow, he's even angry now.

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Yeah, so anger is definitely fuel for the fire and can create some great art, right?

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It also can create destruction and war and other things, but it being channeled healthily

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and it's through music.

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So how'd you guys do?

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Find some other stuff that didn't quite make the cut?

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Yeah, I got a couple things here.

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Well, the first one that came to mind and I think has often appeared on lists for various

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shows here is NWA's Straight Outta Compton, 1988.

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I'm sure you guys remember this record, Fuck the Police, kind of being the calling card

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of the anger.

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But it's all of the good tracks on that record too.

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Still a solid, listen, an hour solid of pretty angry dudes.

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It also was an opportunity to shine light on why they're so angry for those that maybe

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were unaware of what was going on.

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You would think Ice Cube would cool things off.

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Oh, that's awful.

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That's awful.

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That's why they were so angry, because of jokes like that.

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The other one I mentioned is from Boston, Massachusetts punk rock group Converge and

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their 2004 album You Fail Me, which is a very dark album kind of about personal failures.

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It's more of a deep depression kind of anger, which I got a lot to stay away from.

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But it is a good record as well and deals with some pretty raw emotions there.

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How about you, Don?

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Well, I keep returning to that Phil Ox record.

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You guys remember we did that, the protest album, I Ain't Marching Anymore?

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Yeah, where it's like, I'm really mad.

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I'm really, really mad.

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It's like, are you?

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Well, the lyrics are pretty rough.

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The lyrics are, yeah, pretty in your face.

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I was quite shocked by it.

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I think a metal band should make a cover of that entire album.

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A crowd of anger.

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And another one I checked out was Black Flag, their album Damaged, which I haven't spent

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I knew the song Rise Against, but that's actually a really good album.

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And of course, Henry Rollins is the front man and he does anger well.

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Yes, he does.

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He does anger, but it's somehow kind of civilized for a couple of minutes and then it ain't

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How about you, dude?

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I mean, I thought of a funny one.

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I thought that'd be funny to talk about St. Anger by Metallica, but we talk about Metallica

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so much and this isn't the reason to talk about that album.

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It made fans pretty angry.

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Yeah, I was going to say, if you want to instill some real anger on the show.

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But that would be a better discussion for something along the lines of career fails

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or whatever that, you know, whether you like it or not.

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I mean, I enjoy the album, but I'm saying it loud and proud right here.

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I also considered Power Trip, Nightmare Logic, their 2017 album.

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They're a thrash metal band and a modern day one.

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Their lead singer passed away tragically, so their career is kind of in a holding pattern,

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but lots of anger, frustration and more about the current world we live in.

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So I thought that would be fun.

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So it seems like there's a lot of anger out there.

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Why don't we get into our three angriest picks?

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You choo choo choose me?

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For my angry selection, we're going with...

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Could you crank up the angry?

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You sound very friendly and likable right now.

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Come on.

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For my angry selection, we're going with this.

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Now we're going with the Oakland, California four piece groove metal band Machine Head

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and their debut 1994 album, Burn My Eyes.

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That sounds like it'd make a guy pretty angry.

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Yeah, sure.

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Playing with eyeballs.

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All right, let's put the opening cut here.

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This is the video.

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Now I believe that was a line in the original Star Spangled Banner.

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That was right there.

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Yes.

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The first draft.

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Live Freedom Ring with a shotgun blast.

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Eventually got edited out.

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That song is about the branch Davidians.

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I just remember them in Waco, Texas back in the early 90s.

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David Koresh.

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Who was also a musician.

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Oh, was he really?

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I didn't know that.

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So was Charlie Manson.

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What's up with these psychos being musicians?

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It's a fine line.

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All right, let's see.

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So that song, the album as a whole, I would say deals with different forms of anger, different

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The lead singer, who is Rob Flynn, the founder of the group, has experienced anger in his

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life.

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My clickbait headline for the album is Flynn and crew makes angry s'mores with my sweet

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roasted eyeballs.

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I mean, I don't like s'mores, so I guess...

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They're overrated.

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At least that sounds like an interesting ingredient.

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Marshmallows are pretty gross in the room.

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That'd be a fun Halloween treat, you know, marshmallows that look like eyeballs.

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Yeah, that was a good idea though.

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Why don't you put that on Pinterest, dude?

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Let's see here.

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So yeah, Flynn takes on a variety of different institutions, including church, economic oppression.

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The only other thing that really struck me listening back to this album now, it's just

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how much unrest there was in the early nineties.

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I think that has been such a nostalgic, kind of like peaceful, good time, you know, good

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time to be alive.

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There was a lot of really kind of extreme stuff going on just out in the public.

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The three of us were lucky enough to be in living situations where most of that was over

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our heads.

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You know, it was stuff on the news, you know, the younger you are, the more you can ignore

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stuff.

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But then you look back, it's like, damn, there's some dark times.

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I was like, woohoo, and then there were people suffering.

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All right, why don't we dig into another track here.

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This is towards the end of the album.

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It's called I'm Your God Now.

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I feel like that's the calm before the storm does.

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Yeah, it is.

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I think that's maybe what drew me to the track.

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So it does start out kind of, I mean, quiet relative to the rest of the album.

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So it's kind of like a brooding intro.

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And that's some of the only, I guess, what you would say clean singing on the album.

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But yeah, it ends up rocking out as much as the other tracks eventually.

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Kind of reminded me of Tool there, you know, like it has the vocals and that little groove.

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It's not on Alice in Chainsey either.

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And, you know, it builds an intensity, which, you know, I love songs like that.

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So Flynn dedicated the song to a friend who died from a heroin overdose.

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And so the metaphor is just that the drug becomes like an all consuming, godlike force

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in an addict's life.

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That'll make you angry.

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It will.

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So my clickbait headline is Introduction to Groove Metal Pushes Dawn One Step Closer

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to Full Headbanger Status.

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Whoa.

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So this kind of this journey I've been on, you know, slowly getting into thrash.

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I planted the seeds 20 years ago.

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Slowly getting there.

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Slow germination process.

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And so now I hear about this groove metal stuff, which is kind of, I mean, I knew, I

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had heard of Pantera and Sepultura and that stuff.

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And I didn't know the difference before, but I do kind of hear it here.

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So I guess like your thrash is more typically fast and aggressive, whereas the groove is

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in the heart.

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It's more mid tempo and it's, I'm not sure that it's more elaborate, but more, what's

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the word, like syncopation?

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Well, it's just consistent.

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It's more consistent, I think.

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Seems like the guitar riffs are maybe a bit more loud or harder.

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I'm not sure.

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Crunchy.

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Crunchy.

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So my understanding is that this is kind of like a hybrid between sort of the two styles.

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It feels like kind of a bridge between the two areas of the, of I guess the bay where

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these genres were kind of established.

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A bridge over very troubled waters.

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Yeah, totally.

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So also, you know, my understanding is that the lyrics are a little different from, you

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know, what other groove metal bands would have been singing about at the time, you know,

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where they're dealing with like fantasy oriented stuff, whereas this is about what's going

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on in reality and the harshness of it.

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It's, it's if Marvin Gaye went metal.

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No, there you go.

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Wow.

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What's going wrong?

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I would love to hear that.

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But yeah, you know, social disorder and urban decay, political corruption, substance abuse,

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you know, it's heavy.

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Check, check, check.

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It's all there.

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It's all, what's going on right there.

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One thing I would say about the lyrics, I mean, I, well, I do think they are pretty

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good and pretty interesting.

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They're also, I would say they're metal lyrics.

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They're pretty vague.

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They don't go into a lot of detail.

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It doesn't really offer a lot of solutions to these problems.

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It's really just kind of like pointing them out.

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But that's good though, right?

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Like I think sometimes that's the problem.

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When, when, you know, we talked about John Lennon a few weeks ago and pointing things

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out is one thing, but trying to say what the solutions are, it's like, are you qualified?

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Let us know to think about things.

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You don't need to tell us how to fix it.

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And anger is a good first step in the process.

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I think.

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Why don't we dig into the second to last track here?

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This one's a little different.

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It's called Realize, Realize and Realize.

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Yeah.

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I picked it just so you'd have to go through that.

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I really appreciate it.

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So Realize, Realize and Realize was inspired by the 1992 LA riots.

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The song reflects the racial tensions and violence following the acquittal of the four

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white police officers for the beating of Rodney King.

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And it captures the intense social unrest.

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So they used police radio and news samples from the riots, heightening the sense of urgency.

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So it's kind of an instrumental mostly, except for the clips and then the screaming.

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So Rob Flynn, who was influenced by industrial bands like Ministry used sound bites to help

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create that contrast with white supremacists, black nationalist views, all emphasizing those

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extreme perspectives.

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And I guess the title comes from Oakland Graffiti, where it was Realize, R-E-A-L-E-Y-E-S.

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I can see that.

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The word realize and then real lies.

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And it struck a chord.

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I think it's a really cool title and a cool way to get the title.

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So someone probably could sue for copyright on that.

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My clickbait headline to describe Burn My Eyes, the metal wake up call that turns 90s

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rage into a soundtrack for change.

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Grab your earplugs and your sense of justice.

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I love it, man.

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I remember it was around.

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I just wasn't really seeking out a lot of metal at the time in that new wave with Pantera

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and stuff.

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I was kind of, I shrugged that off.

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So intense.

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I love what they did with the expression of anger channeled at something important.

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Not, you know, we've talked about before, it's not anger about mom and dad not buying

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you a car or, you know, about not getting into the right college.

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But by harnessing this anger, Burn My Eyes transforms those destructive emotions into

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a force for self-reflection and hope of unity amidst division.

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Sound like something people might want to think about now?

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Hope?

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Finding unity amidst division?

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Yeah.

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Sounds good to me.

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I was listening to it while I was cooking.

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I almost burned myself a few times because I was moving around in ways that are not good

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for being near fire.

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Yeah, I don't want to be head banging in your hot oil.

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Yeah, I'm like, realize.

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That's probably how his eyes got burned in the first place.

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That's right.

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So yeah, Burn My Eyes was actually Roadrunner, which is the label that this came out on,

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their best selling record from 1994 all the way to 99 when Slipknot's debut came out.

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I don't know if that was pretty interesting.

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Well, I hate to throw this in, but then Nickelback came and crushed all that.

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They were on Roadrunner as well.

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We won't talk about that.

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We're watching a documentary about them and it's love to hate Nickelback.

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Yeah.

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Oh my God.

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It's about that phenomenon where people love them and then hated them for whatever reason.

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So anyway, I digress.

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So yeah, it's definitely in that era of kind of transitional period for metal here, but

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I think it's a good one.

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I would still say it's got kind of an underground status and I think it holds up pretty well.

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Machine head Burn My Eyes.

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Before we get to our next angry selection, why don't we hear a little bit from the folks

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over at Kenai Pod with Madness.

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Kenai Pod with Madness.

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What we will be doing is looking through vintage Karang, Karanga metal hammer, all from late

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80s.

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I remember when someone lent me Somewhere in Time and by that time I'd heard Marillion

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and I'd heard Death Leopard.

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I heard Bon Jovi on the radio and I thought I knew what heavy metal was.

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When this started, I thought, I'm going to take this.

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It was so harsh.

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It was so metal.

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I thought, I think this is going to be too much for me.

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But I put it to be and I pushed through.

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And I think if you tell most maiden fans would probably think this has got a soft album,

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it's got keyboards on it or synth guitars or something.

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But yeah, for me it was a shock to the system.

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I credit Alice Cooper with introducing me into type of music because when I heard that

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it was like, yeah, two friends over.

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I was like, listen to me.

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Like, obviously this has blown my mind so it's going to blow your mind too.

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This is going to be amazing.

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I played it to them and then they went, oh, do you like heavy metal?

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And I was like mortified.

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And I've never forgotten that because she'd be like, yes, I fucking like heavy metal.

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Kicked over the tape and walked out of my own room.

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So what do they do there?

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They talk about Iron Maiden.

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Is it all Iron Maiden?

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Okay.

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So that was a little sample of what they do over at Can I Pod with Madness.

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Go check them out.

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Okay.

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So my angry pick comes from Pink Floyd.

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Surprise, surprise.

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So this is actually a while since you've actually talked about it.

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You name drop them constantly, but we haven't talked about an album in a while.

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So this is actually their final album with Roger Waters released in March 1983 called

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The Final Cut.

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It's actually their 12th studio album.

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The band was formed in London in 1965.

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The lineup at this time was just Roger Waters, who's the bassist, main songwriter and vocalist,

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David Gilmour on guitar and vocals, and then drummer Nick Mason.

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Keyboardist Richard Wright had been kind of pushed out of the band by Waters during The

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Wall.

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So yeah, I mean, this album is basically the culmination of Waters increased creative control.

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Well, anyway, let's hear the opening cut.

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This is The Post War Dream.

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Yeah, it's kind of like, stop it.

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Stop it guys.

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I'm really angry.

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Seriously.

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You don't feel the raw rage in his voice there?

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I do not.

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I don't.

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Maybe I have a problem and I needed to be screaming.

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I'm not sure.

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That's on me.

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Because I find myself at times being the other extreme like, okay, calm down.

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When he wails like that, it's like, okay, we get it.

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Interesting.

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Anyway, so I mean, I feel like that song kind of sets the tone for the album's themes of,

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I guess, disillusionment and criticism of like the post World War II society, British

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society specifically.

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And it actually references Margaret Thatcher, who was the prime minister at the time, calls

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her Maggie, which is, I think, disrespect.

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Yeah.

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I'm kind of surprised that like all I hear now historically is that people didn't like

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her but as a kid, I just thought it was cool that a lady was the big leader.

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I thought that was cool.

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I didn't really understand that she was not popular.

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Yes.

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Sort of ironic that it's kind of a progressive idea to have a woman leader but to have her

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be this conservative force.

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The song actually begins with sound effects of a radio tuning, which is like, I feel like

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Roger Waters has done that.

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Roger Waters.

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Yeah.

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Boy, how does he, on new albums, what does he do?

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Does he have someone flipping through TikToks?

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On the next one.

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So that song as well as much of the album features the National Philharmonic Orchestra

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arranged and conducted by Michael Kamen.

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Is that the guy who did the Metallica?

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With Metallica, yes.

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Oh my gosh.

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Wow.

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Interesting connection there.

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Yeah.

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So my clickbait headline for the final cut is Waters copes with childhood loss and grownup

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disillusionment with scream therapy session.

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So a lot of this feels that way.

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Could you change it to wailing therapy session?

403
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,720
Yeah, maybe it's wailing therapy.

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I mean, this feels like a Waters solo album and it really kind of sets the tone for his

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solo work.

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I mean, I think it's an effective album.

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It doesn't have the musical highlights of The Wall, but it does have some dramatic and

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powerful moments.

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And the anger is, it's the loss of his father.

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His father died fighting in World War II.

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I think the rage comes from the pointlessness of it all.

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And then I think that was all brought to the surface with the Falklands, the Falkland Islands,

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that conflict in the early 80s that dealt with Britain and Argentina.

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So I think it's all, this is all senselessness.

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Yeah.

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And it has a lot of connections to The Wall.

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Some of these cuts were left over from that time.

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A few of the songs deal with the schoolmaster character.

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The Eater North Putting guy?

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Yep.

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So we kind of get behind him and it turns out he's a veteran of the war and dealing

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with demons.

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So that's why he's mean to children.

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Trying to get them to have their nutrition.

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Yeah.

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What a jerk.

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And then somewhere in there, there's the song, The Final Cut, that feels like that's the

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character of Pink from The Wall, the rock star who's dealing with the loss of a wife.

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So yeah, it's kind of The Wall, part two, informed by more modern events.

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Well, let's keep going.

431
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Here's the final cut from The Final Cut.

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It's not to be confused with The Final Cut.

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Right.

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Realize, realize, realize, right?

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This is Two Suns in the Sunset.

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Yeah, I mean, I guess it is screaming.

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It's just in a more civil way than I guess I'm used to.

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It's a gentleman's scream.

439
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Yeah.

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So I guess this song kind of stands out for its rage and fear about nuclear annihilation.

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It closes the album with a vision of destruction and a world on the brink of collapse.

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The Anger in the Song is directed at the global leadership and systems that perpetuate wars

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and waters describes the moments leading up to the catastrophic nuclear explosion, likened

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to the two suns in the sunset.

445
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Wow, that's pretty dark.

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Yeah, kind of reminds me of that the day after.

447
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Yeah, remember that made for TV movie thing?

448
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Yeah, that scared the crap out of me.

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Me too.

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Yeah, it was about if America had been nuked.

451
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Oh yeah, I did see that.

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Yeah, that is creepy.

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So the line in the song, the sun is in the east even though the day is done, two suns

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in the sunset could be the human race is run.

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You go, Roger.

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Yeah, there you go.

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It does feature a notable saxophone solo by Raphael Ravenscroft renowned for his work

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on Jerry Rafferty's Baker Street.

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Wow, we're having some weird connections here.

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It adds some emotional depth to the song and makes it slightly sexy, which I'm not sure

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is the correct choice.

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But the song ends with this quiet fizzle like amplifying less anger and more despair about

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the future.

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Sure.

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My clickbait headline to describe the album, Roger Waters final rant is the final cut a

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farewell or just an ego trip?

467
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Yes.

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Kind of a farewell to both.

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It is a farewell to Pink Floyd in some ways.

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So I think it's more like his overwrought solo albums than it is Pink Floyd.

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So as far as their catalog goes, this is not amongst my favorites.

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I liked it when there was more of a collaborative band spirit behind the creation where there

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was some, where the sounds varied a little bit.

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This is all very in the same lane, but Don loves it.

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So I love it too.

476
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All right.

477
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Well, let's hear another cut.

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This is also on side two, the Fletcher Memorial.

479
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That's an equally dark song.

480
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We had the nuclear war and the dudes back there.

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This one's about gathering together all the world leaders, putting them in old folks home

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and setting on fire.

483
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:20,080
Yeah, that's a little, I guess that is kind of angry.

484
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,080
Yeah, that's angry.

485
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This is plotting sort of twisted.

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I kind of like the imagery.

487
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It's like they're there just like playing with each other so they can't harm the rest

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of us.

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I would be fine with it if it wasn't for the last line where he introduces the final solution,

490
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which is pretty dark.

491
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Yeah, Roger Waters is known for saying some pretty incendiary, hey-oh stuff about violence

492
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toward the people he disagrees with, which is odd.

493
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He's angry.

494
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He's angry.

495
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,480
Yeah, well, how many times are you going to channel that anger through your music?

496
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Eventually, that's supposed to help get it out.

497
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Fun fact about that song.

498
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So Fletcher is a reference to his dad who was Eric Fletcher Waters.

499
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Yeah.

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He's really caught up on the death of his dad.

501
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,720
I didn't realize that he was just an infant when he passed away.

502
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,920
I thought maybe he was a little bit older based on the trauma it seemed to have caused

503
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:23,920
him.

504
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,920
But I'm a big fan of The Wall.

505
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,560
I think I really took to that in college and I still hold it in high regard.

506
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:34,720
I think a lot of these songs here feel like they could be on The Wall or at least feel

507
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,720
wall-esque, wall-esque.

508
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,040
But the quality, yeah, is a little hit or miss for me.

509
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,680
My clickbait headline for the final cut is, Water uses leftover bricks to build a ramshackle

510
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,680
monument to himself.

511
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:46,680
Ooh, well said.

512
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Like I said, there's some parts of that good things I like about Water and his artistic

513
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,960
creativity here, but there's just not enough of the group.

514
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,000
Gilmour is such a talented guitarist, man.

515
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,160
I love his guitar playing and you get glimpses of it here, but there's not enough to really

516
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,800
sink your teeth into or feel like it's a consistent thread throughout the album.

517
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,800
Yeah.

518
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,960
I mean, there's Gilmour parts on it while they're good.

519
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,840
They feel like just a replica of licks he played on The Wall.

520
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Yeah.

521
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:22,840
I felt the same thing too.

522
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:28,280
You get dusts of the good background singers and there's some horns and stuff throughout

523
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:29,960
and field recordings.

524
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:35,000
So it does feel a little bit more intentional than just thrown together than maybe some

525
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,000
other brands might do with this type of B-side material.

526
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,800
But it's still Roger Waters.

527
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,560
He's still a great artist in my opinion and these songs are way better than most that

528
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:45,560
I've heard.

529
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,120
So I'm not going to shit on it quite as much as some people maybe.

530
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:54,760
My issue is more with the style and the sound just in general.

531
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,720
I'm one of those weirdos that the wall's okay.

532
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Like it's not my favorite Pink Floyd.

533
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,080
I like the dark side of the moon and that period more.

534
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,520
Or it's a little more rock and roll, a little less theatrics, but that's just me.

535
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,520
Yeah.

536
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,160
I wanted to mention just one other song.

537
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:15,520
When the Tigers broke free, that actually didn't appear on the original release.

538
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:20,280
It was recorded during The Wall session and it's actually in the film The Wall.

539
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,440
And then when it was remastered or re-released in 2004, it showed up on there.

540
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,320
So it's kind of hard to know if it belongs.

541
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,120
It actually fits quite well on the album and I think it ends up being a highlight because

542
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,360
it's, I mean that really is the story of his dad's death.

543
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:35,360
Yeah.

544
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:37,560
It's just a, I think a really powerful track.

545
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,560
It always moves me.

546
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,280
His vocal performance on that has always been very compelling to me.

547
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,360
He gets to some weird places during that.

548
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040
I don't know about the consider us.

549
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,040
Yeah.

550
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,040
All right.

551
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,400
Well, it's barely a Pink Floyd album, but if you want an angry yet honest album about

552
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:02,400
the harsh realities of our world, check out Pink Floyd, The Final Cut.

553
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,400
Excuse me.

554
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,400
I'd like to ask you a few questions.

555
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:07,800
All right.

556
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Time for another deep question by Don.

557
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:18,800
So we're talking about anger and of course we've all probably had our moments.

558
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,840
What are your favorite freak outs that you've either experienced yourself or witnessed out

559
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,840
there?

560
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:34,680
On the days of social media, I feel like we're just inundated with freak outs now and then.

561
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,040
I had one happen to me.

562
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,560
I'm not the kind of person that freaks out very frequently.

563
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,320
I'm not sure I ever can think of, but I had somebody freak out at me once and it stuck

564
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,320
with me.

565
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:49,680
If you guys have ever had the case where you've been driving upset a driver near you, come

566
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:57,200
to a stop light and they decide it's come time to take this in a more personal approach

567
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,520
to this and get out of their car and come back and like, no, how would you?

568
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,520
It's never gone that far.

569
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,920
Just some flip offs and horn honks and tailgating.

570
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,720
I had a guy get out and come back to my car, stand in front of my window and yell at me

571
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,600
for a few moments until I just drove around him and put out my way.

572
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,600
But it was pretty surprising how somebody do that.

573
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,600
Oh, please.

574
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,240
I know you're cleaning this up to sound like a nice guy, but you got out and you kicked

575
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,240
his ass.

576
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:28,240
I know what really happened.

577
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,240
I'm not fucking with that guy because I was carrying my busy street to go yell at somebody.

578
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,600
That's not my cup of tea.

579
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,640
The other one I'll mention from pop culture that I always think about when I think of

580
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,640
a good freak out.

581
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,240
Do you guys ever see that clip of Bill O'Reilly a long time ago?

582
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Yeah.

583
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,240
We'll do it live.

584
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,240
Yeah, exactly.

585
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,240
We'll do it live.

586
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,240
Fuck it.

587
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:50,240
That's a great one if you haven't seen it in a while.

588
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,240
Man, he really loses his cool pretty quickly.

589
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,240
How about you, dude?

590
00:30:52,240 --> 00:31:05,520
As a younger man and mostly kid, teenager, I was quick to anger over certain things.

591
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:10,920
If I'd hit my head on something like a cabinet door or whatever, I'd slam it shut out of

592
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,600
anger, but it would pop back open, which would piss me off more.

593
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,640
And then slam it shut again and pop back open.

594
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:20,520
It would become this basically paddle ball thing of trying to get the damn thing to close,

595
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,200
but without giving in and doing it nicely.

596
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,400
But just over stupid stuff.

597
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,520
I was raking leaves once when I was 15 or 16, hit my head on a tree branch, beat the

598
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:41,000
tree with the rake, broke the rake, screaming and yelling.

599
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Just unbridled, stupid anger that you learn not to act like that as you get older.

600
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,360
Well, most people do, except for the guy that got in Andy's face.

601
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,000
How about you, Don?

602
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,400
Well, I mean, personally, thinking back to when I was a kid, for some reason, video games

603
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,400
would set me off.

604
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,400
Oh yeah.

605
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,400
You want to throw the controller, dudes?

606
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,400
You can see under your skin.

607
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Yeah.

608
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,720
I never broke a controller, but I'd start shaking a pillow or something.

609
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,160
I kept it.

610
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,280
Remember like the Atari joystick?

611
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,960
I remember ripping the rubber cover off of it and throwing it in the bathroom.

612
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,960
Rage quit.

613
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,160
I was thinking about this is another obscure example, and I can't believe I'm citing this

614
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,720
movie again because it's such a meh movie, but the film Amityville, the original Amityville

615
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,720
Horror.

616
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,720
Yeah.

617
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,400
There's the Lutzes, they're friends, like the guy he works with and his wife, or talking

618
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,400
to them.

619
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:44,440
His wife is, she's the one that's sort of in tune with psychic, spiritual energy or

620
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:45,440
something.

621
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:48,960
So she's talking and then the husband just like lays into her and all of a sudden he's

622
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,960
like, Oh, thank you very much for your cosmic views.

623
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,960
Now do me a favor.

624
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,960
Shut up.

625
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360
It's just so like uncalled for.

626
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,680
Okay, man.

627
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,800
So he's definitely like suppressing some rage against his poor wife, I guess.

628
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,640
Anyway, what's your favorite freak out?

629
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,080
Let us know on Instagram and Facebook or leave a comment on our website, AlbumNerds.com.

630
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,760
Don't make me angry.

631
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,080
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

632
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:22,120
Okay, so Anger, the Angry Albums, a lot of different things came to mind, but one popped

633
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,160
in in particular that was from a different perspective.

634
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:33,080
So I went with Hole, Live Through This, released in April of 1994, produced by Paul Coldary

635
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,000
and Sean Slade.

636
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,520
The second studio album by the American alternative rock band Hole showcases a shift from their

637
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,920
raw hardcore roots to more polished melodies and structured songwriting.

638
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,440
The band consists of Courtney Love, of course, on lead vocals and rhythm guitar, Eric Erlinson

639
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,960
on lead guitar and backing vocals, Kristin Pfaff on bass guitar and backing vocals.

640
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,200
And she tragically passed away from a heroin overdose shortly after the release of this

641
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:04,200
album, which adds to the list of tragedies that was occurring at this time.

642
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,280
And we'll get into that later.

643
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,760
Patty Schummel on drums and percussion.

644
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:14,280
And you know, Courtney was aiming to surprise listeners with softer edges while still maintaining

645
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,320
that fierce sensibility from the first record.

646
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,680
The Tackle Steams of Beauty, motherhood, anti-elitism and violence against women.

647
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,160
Why don't we jump in with the track Violet?

648
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:35,880
So that's the first track on the album.

649
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:41,360
It's a total explosion of anger and Courtney just unleashes everything in the song.

650
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:47,280
The lyrics explore anger, vulnerability, defiance and struggles with identity and the expectations

651
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,280
of a woman and femininity and all of that rolled into it, into the whole album, really.

652
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,640
I guess it's a song about a jerk and it's widely believed to be about Billy Corgan from

653
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,480
Smashing Pumpkins, who she dated before Kurt Cobain, who she famously was married to.

654
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:07,720
Interestingly, Love teased that she hexed him as Corgan had a full head of hair when

655
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:12,120
they dated but was losing it by the time Violet was released.

656
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,080
We all know how much hair he has today.

657
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,080
So there we go.

658
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:16,080
Courtney loves.

659
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,080
Wow.

660
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,240
Yeah, by 95 he was shaving his head.

661
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:24,440
I hate comparing her to Nirvana, but for this song, like that chorus kind of sounds like

662
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,000
a Nirvana scream to me.

663
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,120
They had similar influences.

664
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Yeah, the Pixies were the loud soft.

665
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,360
I think they pioneered that and that was Kurt and Courtney were both fans.

666
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,160
They met when their bands were both coming up.

667
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,560
So this album was written before Cobain's death and was released a week or so after

668
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,000
because that's when it was scheduled to be released.

669
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,680
So I can't imagine what it was like to have this whirlwind of popularity, the death, a

670
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:57,320
terrible death of your husband, the other issues that they already had and then having

671
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,880
people point fingers like you did this to him and stuff.

672
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,800
That must have been a very difficult time.

673
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,800
Oh my gosh.

674
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,800
Yeah, at least Yoko only broke up the band.

675
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,800
Oh boy.

676
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,600
Let's not get into that again.

677
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,800
Go back and listen to Imagine again, Don.

678
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,160
I think you missed the point.

679
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,200
So my clickbait headline to describe the album, live through this is a sonic middle finger

680
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,560
to the male dominated music scene using anger fueled anthems to raise it high.

681
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,760
The finger that is.

682
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,120
I recognized what she was, what was happening there.

683
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:37,080
There was like, there's a double standard and I'm going to shine a dark light on it,

684
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,080
you know?

685
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,080
So angry, definitely.

686
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,080
And yeah, she's very angry.

687
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,840
That loudsoft works really well for anger because it helps you get those punches in,

688
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,840
you know?

689
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,520
OK, so why don't we get into the final track on the album.

690
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,520
It's called Rockstar.

691
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:55,520
Or is it?

692
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,520
Oh yeah, great song.

693
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,520
Yeah, I think that one stands out.

694
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:58,520
It was mainly being able to kind of above the rest of the song.

695
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,520
I think it's a good one.

696
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,520
Yeah.

697
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,520
I think it's a good one.

698
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:02,520
I think it's a good one.

699
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,520
It's a good one.

700
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,520
It's a good one.

701
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,520
It's a good one.

702
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:06,520
It's a good one.

703
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,520
It's a good one.

704
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,520
It's a good one.

705
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:09,520
It's a good one.

706
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:10,520
It's a good one.

707
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:11,520
It's a good one.

708
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,520
It's a good one.

709
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

710
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,840
I think it was kind of above the rest of it originally called Olympia.

711
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,760
Obvious reasons, but all the media Washington.

712
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:24,080
And that was Olimpiada Dac 돌보� Do conecta x4?

713
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,240
A traded joke.

714
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,400
Yeah, I mean, did she want to Oscar or something like an 80 something steel magnolias.

715
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,200
Oh, I don't know.

716
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:39,600
But the song here is about the the right got二anm adjuston touched on at some point in

717
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,360
Bikini Kill.

718
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,440
Yeah. I was going to say car wash.

719
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,560
That's not quite what it was about.

720
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:54,400
I remember renting that from Blockbuster when I was like 16, me and my buddies,

721
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,240
bikini car wash.

722
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:03,760
Yeah. That's a pretty funny song from Love there. She's got some interesting little vocal quirks

723
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,200
there. She does this kind of like halt start at the beginning of the track a couple of times,

724
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:07,920
and she's like, uh-huh.

725
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:13,120
Yeah. I think she's making fun of the Olympia gals.

726
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,200
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. My clickbait headline for Live Through This is,

727
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,080
in the midst of a cultural hurricane, Hole delivers one of the eras defining records.

728
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:30,640
I was really surprised at how good this record is. I really didn't listen to it a ton when it came

729
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:37,600
out of me. I knew of them and I liked her voice and stuff. But this felt like, I mean, it's so hard

730
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:42,080
not to tie this back to Nirvana. There's so many threads that are just interwoven between them.

731
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:48,480
But it felt like a really good representation of that Seattle grunge sound that there's not a lot

732
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,720
of really good records that I think capture that. And this one I would say is. So yeah,

733
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:56,160
I was really surprised by how good this was. There's a lot of aggression, but there's a lot

734
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,360
of soft moments too and a lot of diversity and dynamics to the sound. And it's lyrically

735
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,000
interesting. It feels like a very personal record for Courtney. I feel like I get to really

736
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,800
understand her a little bit as a person throughout this album. Especially probably for female

737
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,920
audiences, it's easy to take the lyrics and apply it to either what you've experienced. Or in my

738
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,360
case, I was applying it to maybe trying to recognize someone else's view on a time,

739
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,520
on that time in the nineties and the way that she came up and my opinions on her were probably

740
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:33,680
biased by what was in the media at the time that she was, that she was somehow on the coattails.

741
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:38,960
But I think she had all the talent and everything to make it on her own. She didn't need Kurt Cobain

742
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,920
for that. Totally agree. It was weird how much of a sort of like a tabloid character she became.

743
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,720
This was almost like an opportunity to give her side of it. It feels like a little bit.

744
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:55,680
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, especially after this with addiction issues and the media just

745
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:02,880
hounding her and blaming her for Kurt's death and stuff. I'm sure the aftermath was maybe not

746
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:08,640
worth it. I don't know. Yeah. All right. Well, we move on and listen to a little bit of another

747
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:21,920
one of the big singles off the record, Doll Parts. That one line there just reminded me of that Taylor

748
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,240
Swift song we listened to about the guy who only breaks his favorite toys or something.

749
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:33,360
Right. He only loves them because he likes to see them break. I'll leave that to you. You're the

750
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Swifty of the group. So Doll Parts was supposedly written after she met Kurt Cobain, explores themes

751
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:48,080
of love, insecurity, and fear of rejection. She said that it was about Cobain expressing her

752
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:54,160
feelings of uncertainty about how interested he was in her. The song's only three chords,

753
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:00,560
which I didn't notice because it sounds pretty sophisticated and complex. I think that is why

754
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:08,160
this whole album works because dealing with just huge emotional issues, but presenting it in a

755
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:16,480
relatively simple way, in a pop way. Well, even the Doll Parts metaphor where if she's

756
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:23,040
self-conscious about is he liking me, it's about her eyes, her hair, she's just a bunch of parts.

757
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:30,880
It's an interesting way to think about the way that women are viewed by men and then for them

758
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,080
to try to have to sift through all that when getting to know someone. Yeah, it's interesting.

759
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:42,160
My clickbait headline is love tell story of a young woman in a man's world and dares us to live

760
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:51,680
through this. Zing. Yeah, just I was quite surprised by how much I like this album.

761
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Yeah. I do have Taylor Swift on the brain just because we recently discussed it. But

762
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:04,800
there are some parallels here, singing about these personal things that are very specific.

763
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:12,880
Taylor Swift in her own way says edgy things, she's in your face, but just the delivery is

764
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,200
so different. Yeah, it's a different era of music.

765
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:23,440
Yeah. But I really enjoyed a lot of the lyrics, just how dark they were in Miss World. I'm Miss

766
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:30,160
World, somebody kill me, kill me pills. No one cares, my friends. It's just so damn dark.

767
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:37,120
I don't even think she's being melodramatic like Morrissey is. It feels like she means it.

768
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,560
Yeah, I think that's the problem, especially this era of music. I think we saw the depression and

769
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:49,040
stuff from Soundgarden and others, Alice in Chains was metaphorical, but these people were,

770
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:56,160
a lot of these folks were suffering and trying to get it out in song and we were celebrating to it

771
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:05,680
instead. Yeah, reading through her bio, she's just had such a life experience and you hear it in this

772
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:12,240
album. A couple little fun facts. The album was dedicated to Joe Cole, who was a roadie for

773
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:17,040
Black Flag, who was shot and killed in 1991, apparently after a whole show. So that's why

774
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,680
they dedicated it to him. And then of course, there's the rumors that swirled that Kurt Cobain

775
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:27,840
was ghostwriting the album. That's been debunked for years. It's ridiculous. But Time Magazine in

776
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:33,120
2006 said something like, this is a quote, live through this is clearly a woman's work

777
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:39,840
and is far more swaggering than any album, any grunge man ever came up with. I like that.

778
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,360
I'm not even going to make it a sexist thing here.

779
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,840
Yeah. So the other great songs, Jennifer's Body deals with the kidnapping and abuse and murder of

780
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:57,120
Colleen Stan. A movie has been made, I believe, since then with that title. And Softer Softest

781
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,040
about Courtney's troubled childhood with lyrics where it says, P girl gets the belt.

782
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,880
P girl gets the belt.

783
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,000
Emotional and physical abuse she endured while growing up. And she explained that the songs about

784
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,400
a girl who always smelled like pee in your class and it was her, which made me very sad.

785
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,160
Yeah. She lived through it.

786
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:25,600
She did. She did. So yeah, Live Through This is a dark, angry album with hopefully getting anger out,

787
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:31,520
giving people some comfort of their feeling that way. And you definitely need to check it out

788
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,040
if it was something that you kind of passed over back in the 90s.

789
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:35,920
Can you dig it?

790
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,560
Can you dig it?

791
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,440
Can you dig it?

792
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,800
Well, it's been an angry week, you know, where you guys able to dig anything else,

793
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,080
something to calm you down, explore some other emotions.

794
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,640
Yeah. I got a few things in my, my knapsack here.

795
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,640
Over my shoulder.

796
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,200
That's the one you took on your safari.

797
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:07,280
Yes, indeed. All right. Actually I've been circling back through some new releases from 2024,

798
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,800
seeing if there's anything I overlooked. And there were a couple of things.

799
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,000
The first one is from an artist by the name of Judith Hill,

800
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:19,520
bought a record a few months ago called Letters from a Black Widow. I may recognize Judith. She

801
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:25,200
was a backing singer for Prince and Michael Jackson, as well as some other pretty well-known artists.

802
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,120
She's learned to play guitar and she put out a really compelling record here.

803
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:35,200
Let's play, uh, Runaway Train.

804
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,440
Most catchy song on the album, but it's a really solid album overall.

805
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,960
Yeah. I mean, I think Don and I were both expecting a cover of Runaway Train by Soul Asylum.

806
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,600
Yeah. I know.

807
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,320
All you up in the...

808
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,280
Yeah. Shut up.

809
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,560
I'll check it out. Yeah.

810
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,000
All right. And the last one for me is from Cosmozzy Washington.

811
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,320
Album is called Fearless Movement. This is a double album, I believe.

812
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:04,240
It's his seventh studio for the saxophonist and band leader.

813
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:08,080
It's got a lot of different features on it, including Andre 3000.

814
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:09,040
On flute?

815
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:09,840
On flute.

816
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,720
All right.

817
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:18,560
Yeah. On flute. George Clinton and B.J. the Chicago Kid. Really interesting jazz album.

818
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:26,000
It's an ambitious record. This is Asha the First.

819
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,160
Cool. I haven't listened to any like modern jazz records this year, I don't think so.

820
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Kind of funky.

821
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,320
It's got some funk. It's got some like some 70s throwback that I like sound to it.

822
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:37,120
I'm digging it.

823
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:37,600
Cool.

824
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,600
Don, what would you dig on if you were digging?

825
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,840
Well, uh, it's finally happening.

826
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,720
Oh, Don, I'm so happy for you.

827
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,840
I am pretty excited.

828
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,120
You're glowing. You're glowing.

829
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,280
So, The Cure are in fact releasing an album on November 1st. It's going to be called

830
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,520
Songs of a Lost World. I mean, Robert Smith has been talking about this since,

831
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:05,440
you know, since the last one came out. So there is a song out there now called Alone.

832
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,960
It's actually the opening cut from the album.

833
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,840
Every song you ever sing.

834
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,640
Yeah, it sounds really up and happy and centric.

835
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:15,140
Nice.

836
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:16,100
Yeah.

837
00:47:16,100 --> 00:47:17,940
It's a different guy.

838
00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:23,540
So I did see them last year and they performed a bunch of newer songs and I do think that's

839
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:25,300
going to kind of be the mood of the album.

840
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:30,660
And he lost his parents and a brother over the last 10 years.

841
00:47:30,660 --> 00:47:33,540
So that's too bad, but I'm sure it's going to make some good music.

842
00:47:33,540 --> 00:47:35,540
Yes. Yeah, they do that well.

843
00:47:35,540 --> 00:47:40,180
And then another thing I found, which was kind of interesting, Creed Bratton.

844
00:47:40,180 --> 00:47:42,020
Oh, I just heard.

845
00:47:42,660 --> 00:47:43,540
No, not that Creed.

846
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:44,100
Oh, damn it.

847
00:47:44,100 --> 00:47:48,740
But Creed from the Office. That's actually his real name, Creed Bratton.

848
00:47:48,740 --> 00:47:52,980
He was a member of the Grassroots and I mean, he's been putting out music,

849
00:47:53,540 --> 00:47:57,380
you know, for a long time. He has a new one called, I think it's pronounced Dowel Pop,

850
00:47:57,380 --> 00:47:58,500
spelled Towel Pop.

851
00:47:58,500 --> 00:48:00,900
Yeah, here's a song called Tall Grass.

852
00:48:00,900 --> 00:48:09,220
Really, is that it? You're enjoying it too, huh?

853
00:48:09,220 --> 00:48:10,420
Yeah, it's pretty, it's...

854
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:11,860
Hey, I want to check this out.

855
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:14,100
Kind of rootsy and bluesy.

856
00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:16,020
Creed, wow.

857
00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:18,500
Not what my ears pictured.

858
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:22,180
Wow, his like artist profile photo, he looks really good.

859
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:24,820
Doesn't look like Creed at all.

860
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:26,580
Yeah, that was just the makeup for the show.

861
00:48:27,860 --> 00:48:29,460
He's that good of an actor.

862
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:31,220
What are you digging, dude?

863
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:35,860
Well, Billy Strings is back with a new album.

864
00:48:35,860 --> 00:48:38,500
Seems like it's a double, it's 20 tracks.

865
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:40,100
It's called Highway Prayers.

866
00:48:40,100 --> 00:48:43,140
Billy Strings is a, I guess, a genre defying musician.

867
00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:45,220
For those who don't know, plays bluegrass

868
00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:49,220
and it blends traditional elements of rock and other genres.

869
00:48:49,220 --> 00:48:52,020
Kind of a jam band-ish sort of guy.

870
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:54,500
So why don't we check out a little bit of Ledfoot.

871
00:48:54,500 --> 00:49:06,180
So co-produced by John Bryan and features all those genres and influences and

872
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:11,940
gets to his roots in Michigan while delivering that laid back, enjoyable sort of music.

873
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:15,940
Sure, that's going to be making some year endless, I had a guess.

874
00:49:15,940 --> 00:49:18,740
I was at the record store the other day, the vinyl to double.

875
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:20,740
50 Doll Hairs.

876
00:49:20,740 --> 00:49:22,740
Woohoo.

877
00:49:22,740 --> 00:49:23,940
Yoza.

878
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:25,460
That's a lot of body parts.

879
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:26,740
It certainly is.

880
00:49:28,740 --> 00:49:35,220
Also, we mentioned this album actually on our 1984 top albums episode.

881
00:49:35,220 --> 00:49:38,660
But it's ZZ Top Eliminator from 1983.

882
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:40,580
I just picked up a vinyl copy.

883
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:43,780
It's original pressing from that era.

884
00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:45,780
Let's listen to a little bit of Sharp Dressed Man.

885
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:56,740
So legendary rock band with that distinctive blend of blues infused rock, catchy riffs,

886
00:49:56,740 --> 00:50:02,500
their beards, of course, and then the synthesizers that make their way onto this record and make

887
00:50:02,500 --> 00:50:06,260
it very 83 but also make it pretty fucking cool.

888
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:09,780
If I had been on that 83 show, we would have been rocking this album guys.

889
00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:12,740
This was a staple at my house growing up.

890
00:50:12,740 --> 00:50:13,700
Nice.

891
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:16,180
Give me all your loving, legs, other hits on there.

892
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:18,980
But yeah, if you haven't listened to it in a while or ever, check it out.

893
00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:19,940
Well, what are you digging?

894
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:20,500
Let us know.

895
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,220
Join us on the socials, Facebook, Instagram and threads.

896
00:50:23,220 --> 00:50:25,620
Also on our website, albumnerds.com.

897
00:50:25,620 --> 00:50:32,420
It will be a discovery of extraordinary value.

898
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:42,340
It's about that time on the show when I'm reminded of the great American writer, Mark Twain.

899
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:43,540
I think about him every day.

900
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:45,380
All right.

901
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:50,420
He said anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than

902
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:52,180
anything on which it is poured.

903
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:53,540
Smart guy.

904
00:50:53,540 --> 00:50:57,220
With that in mind, let's bring out my friend and yours, Wadbot, to see what we'll be talking

905
00:50:57,220 --> 00:50:58,500
about on next week's episode.

906
00:51:06,660 --> 00:51:12,740
In the 1980s, hip hop solidified its place as a powerful musical force and evolved rapidly

907
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:14,100
throughout the decade.

908
00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:17,700
Next time, you'll be diving into the wonders of 80s hip hop.

909
00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:21,060
And who knows, you might just find yourself busting a move.

910
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:25,860
I said hip hop, hippie to the hippie to the hip, hip hop, you don't stop a rocking.

911
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:26,580
What do you think guys?

912
00:51:26,580 --> 00:51:28,980
Oh, that sounds like some classic hip hop.

913
00:51:28,980 --> 00:51:30,100
1980s style.

914
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:30,580
Cool.

915
00:51:30,580 --> 00:51:32,980
It's tricky to rock a rhyme, no rock a rhyme.

916
00:51:32,980 --> 00:51:33,860
That's right on time.

917
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:34,500
It's tricky.

918
00:51:35,380 --> 00:51:36,900
These are very awkward moments.

919
00:51:36,900 --> 00:51:37,940
I thought we were battling.

920
00:51:41,460 --> 00:51:42,260
That's next week.

921
00:51:43,140 --> 00:51:45,380
Well, what's your favorite 80s hip hop record?

922
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:46,500
What else are you listening to?

923
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:50,420
Leave a comment on our website or email us at podcast at albumnerds.com.

924
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:53,860
You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram and threads at Album Nerds.

925
00:51:53,860 --> 00:51:57,860
And please subscribe, rate and review on your favorite podcast app.

926
00:51:57,860 --> 00:52:03,300
Also, if you'd like to support the show, you can do so via PayPal at albumnerds.com slash support.

927
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,860
Thank you so much for joining us and welcome back.

928
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:07,300
Andy, everyone.

929
00:52:07,300 --> 00:52:08,660
Welcome back.

930
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:11,300
We'll catch you next time with some 80s hip hop.

931
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:12,340
Thanks for listening, everybody.

932
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:13,060
See you then.

933
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:15,220
Go on, take it.

934
00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:15,940
No, I can't do it.

935
00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:16,900
I can't even hit the note.

936
00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:19,460
I think we started too high.

937
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:20,500
Yeah, bring it down.

938
00:52:22,980 --> 00:52:29,060
Don hands, Don eyes, Don skin, Duffin eyes.

939
00:52:29,060 --> 00:52:45,540
See you next time, everybody.

