1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,880 Welcome to the Album Nerds podcast with your hosts, Andy, Don and Dude. 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,760 Hell no, we won't go. 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,040 Make love, not war. 4 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:18,420 War. 5 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:19,200 Good God, y'all. 6 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:20,000 What is it good for? 7 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,320 Absolutely nothing. 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:23,360 Say it again. 9 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:25,720 It's the Album Nerds podcast. 10 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:26,800 I'm Dude. 11 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,480 I got Andy Don with me. 12 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:28,960 Andy. 13 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,000 What's happening, my friend? 14 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,960 Hey man, I got my boots on. 15 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,600 I got my picket signs constructed here. 16 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,600 All the boots are very important to protest. 17 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,160 Yeah. 18 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:45,040 They're made for boots. 19 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:45,760 Yeah. 20 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,240 I feel like I need boots on to really stomp around and make each footstep. 21 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:57,880 This show's off to a rough start, but we shall overcome. 22 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:00,880 Classic. 23 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:01,920 Yeah. 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:07,880 So yes, this is the Album Nerds podcast and we love albums and talking about them. 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,400 And this week we're talking about some protest music. 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,680 We've got a great show for you. 27 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:18,280 We're going to be going over a little bit of our week of listening and our decisions. 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,720 We'll then of course go through our three album picks. 29 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:25,360 We're going to answer a question that's loosely related to the topic of protest music. 30 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,600 And then we're going to spin the wheel of musical destiny to find out what kind of 31 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,040 albums we're going to talk about on the next episode. 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,800 But this week it's time to protest. 33 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:36,600 We will be protesting protest music in the house. 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,320 You doff protest too much. 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Let's do it. 36 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,320 Wow. 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,480 A protest song is a song associated with a movement for social change. 38 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:56,920 Protest songs in the United States are a tradition that dates back to the early 18th 39 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,480 century and have persisted and evolved as an aspect of American culture. 40 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,440 Protest songs typically serve to address some social, political or economic concern 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,800 through the means of musical composition. 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:11,040 It may be folk, classical or commercial in genre. 43 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:16,120 Some movements that have a library of associated songs are the abolition of slavery, 44 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:21,240 prohibition, women's suffrage, labor, human rights, civil rights, the environment and 45 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:22,080 anti-war. 46 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,360 Today, each of us will present an album which includes at least one protest song. 47 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,440 We are here to protest that. 48 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Protest music, kind of broad, kind of not. 49 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,400 How did you guys do in your listenings? 50 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,880 Well, a couple of things became apparent to me pretty quickly. 51 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,720 You know, like Don was saying, we tried to find albums that have at least one protest 52 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:43,520 song on it. 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,640 A lot of them really do just have one or two where that kind of focus on an issue and 54 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:48,560 kind of move on. 55 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,720 I mentioned a couple that did have some elements of protest, but didn't really feel 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,400 protest-y enough to really feature on the show. 57 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:00,320 Listen to a Kinks record called Arthur or the Decline and Fall of the British Empire, 58 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:06,680 which I guess loosely did have some protest elements, in particular around economic 59 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,320 equality. 60 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Good album, but I didn't think it was great for the show. 61 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:17,000 A jazz record that did have some cool protest vocals in it from Max Roach called We 62 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,840 Insist, Max Roach's Freedom Now Suite, which was actually really good. 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,960 Don't they call him Papa? 64 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,400 Cut my life into pieces. 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:30,280 I also mentioned Kendrick Lamar's Butterfly, which I think generally is a great protest 66 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,160 album and does have a pretty focused message. 67 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,640 I just felt like it was a lot to bite off for this show and we're already kind of doing 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,360 a similar album, which we'll find out shortly. 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:46,480 But yeah, I feel like I landed on a pretty safe space for protest albums here. 70 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,480 How about you, dude? 71 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Yeah, for me, it was trying to kind of avoid the 60s because it was like all that anti-Vietnam 72 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,200 stuff for the most part. 73 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,480 And I wanted to get into some other topics. 74 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:03,280 And I kind of already had something in mind for a long time that I've been looking for 75 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,640 reasons to talk about. 76 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:10,320 So, some of the things I listened to anyway were Prophets of Rage from 2017, the collaboration 77 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:18,280 of members of Rage Against the Machine and Chuck D from Public Enemy and I think members 78 00:04:18,280 --> 00:04:20,260 of Cypress Hill as well. 79 00:04:20,260 --> 00:04:25,480 System of a Down, Toxicity, 2001, that's another one that isn't protest-y enough, although 80 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,160 there's definitely elements there. 81 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:33,720 And then the Isley Brothers, The Heat is On from 1975, there's a couple of songs on there 82 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:39,240 that are definitely about social injustices, including one called Fight the Power. 83 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,240 Interesting. 84 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,240 So, Donald? 85 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:49,800 Well, I thought about my usual cast of favorites, of course, Roger Waters, the final Pink Floyd 86 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,680 album with him known as the Final Cut. 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,280 It's really more of a Roger Waters solo album. 88 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:59,040 That one's a very anti-Margaret Thatcher era, England. 89 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,280 Anti-other members of Pink Floyd getting in his way. 90 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:03,280 Yep. 91 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:08,760 And then The Smiths, Meet His Murder, the title track, Meet His Murder is kind of an 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,400 anthem for us vegetarian folks. 93 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:17,800 I remember being at a Morrissey concert with you and Morrissey did that song and I was 94 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,280 like, that's a metaphor, right? 95 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,280 And you're like, no. 96 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:22,280 It's a bad... 97 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:23,280 It's a weird... 98 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,280 Yeah, yeah. 99 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:25,280 Yeah. 100 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:28,720 And then another one I thought of, it's just one song from that album, but the song Monkey 101 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:37,400 Gone to Heaven by the Pixies on Do Little is kind of a protest song about the environment. 102 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,760 But I actually decided to go a more traditional route, went back to the 1960s. 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,120 All right. 104 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,960 With all that being said, let's get into it. 105 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,960 You choo choo choos me? 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:59,160 And that's not a system that changes every four years. 107 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,000 It's a system that we have to break down. 108 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Preach it. 109 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,000 Zach. 110 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,000 All right. 111 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,280 Rob Protest's music album going with Rage Against the Machine and their debut studio 112 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:12,120 album from 1992. 113 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,120 This is Killing in the Name. 114 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,400 Those who die are justified. 115 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,400 Sorry. 116 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,560 That sounded more like a Beastie Boy. 117 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Yeah. 118 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:40,840 I was going to like, sabotage them killing in the name. 119 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:43,360 Anyway, pretty controversial song. 120 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,560 That song ends with the refrain of, fuck you, I won't do what you tell me. 121 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,800 It was written in part in response to the Rodney King beating, which had happened in 122 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,240 the prior year, I believe. 123 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,040 The trial was coming up. 124 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:03,320 It was really for me like that first moment where I really realized how deep the racial 125 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,400 divide was in our country or how deep-seated some of these issues were. 126 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:13,200 I think the song nicely highlights that and it got a lot of press, positive and negative. 127 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,400 At the time, got these guys definitely put Rage Against the Machine on the map. 128 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,120 Three words I used to describe this album are revolution in a bottle. 129 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,860 The lyrics obviously are pretty inflammatory, I guess I would say, or definitely pushing 130 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:29,320 people towards action. 131 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:36,040 I think that combined with just the aggressiveness of the music, I think really does lead to 132 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:43,480 this powder keg of just emotions and energy built up on this record and especially during 133 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:44,480 their career. 134 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,980 I think what struck me most going back to this was, man, they created such a cool hodgepodge 135 00:07:48,980 --> 00:07:50,200 of sounds. 136 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:56,120 You had really represented hip-hop, metal and rock at a time where that wasn't really 137 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:57,120 being done. 138 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:02,640 It really wasn't done as arguably as well as they did it ever again, but that sound 139 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,340 wasn't really popular at the time. 140 00:08:05,340 --> 00:08:08,800 Hip-hop was still pretty young in terms of mainstream adoption at this point. 141 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,040 JS Who was the intended audience for this, do you think? 142 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,800 Was it for everyone to start thinking about things or was it really not aimed at suburban 143 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:18,800 youths? 144 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,800 CB I don't know. 145 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,120 For me, growing up at that time period, I felt like it resonated with the young audience 146 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:28,340 because at that age, you're always just like, fuck the establishment, I want to do things 147 00:08:28,340 --> 00:08:29,340 my way. 148 00:08:29,340 --> 00:08:34,120 It really resonates with that whole idea of just overthrowing the man. 149 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:38,800 JS I know, but the establishment is like that my dad won't get me a car. 150 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,600 CB I think that what made them interested or probably what gave them such a broad appeal 151 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,920 was they did talk about more social issues at the time and got into some actual black 152 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,680 and white things that were happening, not necessarily just racial, but other issues 153 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:56,040 as well, which made them feel like they were more intelligent and well-spoken and maybe 154 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,800 someone you could get behind as a representative of your feelings. 155 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,600 JS Well, that was going on in other parts of music and rock and roll at this time, like 156 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,720 Pearl Jam had songs about domestic abuse and things like that. 157 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:13,840 So I think it was sort of similar to music of the 60s where things were being brought 158 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,680 up that were less superficial than they had been in the 80s. 159 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:33,920 Let me play another cut from the record, this is track four, Settle for Nothing. 160 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:47,440 So much for the slow jam. 161 00:09:47,440 --> 00:10:06,640 The lyrics seem like a character in a jail cell, almost treating it like an escape from 162 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,640 this violent world. 163 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,080 Renegades of Suck. 164 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,480 Just kidding. 165 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,260 I wish I disliked the album because that would have been fun. 166 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:19,720 Similar to what Andy was saying, my three words 167 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,300 are wake up, gen X. 168 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:26,440 So you've got this generation of we're latchkey kids 169 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,680 just watching television. 170 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:32,500 No real motivation towards activism. 171 00:10:32,500 --> 00:10:35,240 To me, everything was fine in my world. 172 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:37,200 And there was the Cosby show and things like that. 173 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:38,960 So you don't necessarily notice that there's 174 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,400 a racial divide going on. 175 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,560 So we've done a lot of records, I feel like recently, 176 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:50,360 that are around that late 80s, early 90s period, where 177 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,800 you are starting to get that blend of hip hop and metal. 178 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:59,400 And these guys do it really seamlessly, so much so that, 179 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,600 like I guess it never really occurred to me that much that, 180 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,160 hey, this is a guy rapping over metal riffs. 181 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,000 And I think it's because of the political thing. 182 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:14,280 It's so political and so fueled by rage and action 183 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,200 that you don't even notice that that's what it is. 184 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,440 Well, the vocal style too is different 185 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,880 than what we had experienced from MCs for the most part. 186 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,920 It was more screamy like a metal singer. 187 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,560 But the cadence of like a rapper, that's harms. 188 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:33,080 But yeah, it wasn't smooth. 189 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,480 It wasn't all the things that we had come to expect largely 190 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,880 from our MCs. 191 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,840 And the more I listen to the record, each time, 192 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,640 I think you start to notice different things 193 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,040 or you focus on different things. 194 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,680 And I started to lose myself in the musicianship. 195 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:51,160 Just that rhythm section just really pulls you 196 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,360 through the whole record. 197 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:57,680 Tom Morello, I mean, he has like a signature guitar sound. 198 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,680 Yeah, something that's never, I think 199 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,360 what's really nice about his guitar sound 200 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,640 was how well it works in like that sort of hip hop quality. 201 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,360 It almost has like a DJ quality to it, the way he scratches. 202 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:11,320 I don't know exactly how he makes that sound. 203 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,240 But it sounds like he's like rubbing his, I don't know, 204 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,640 something against the strings. 205 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,720 OK, let's clean this up. 206 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:21,840 Well, it sounds like he is like, 207 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:22,840 I don't like where this is going. 208 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,160 With like a, I don't know, metal screwdriver or something. 209 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Like a drill. 210 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,080 Yeah, maybe a power drill. 211 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,880 He has kind of that punk rock spirit. 212 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,200 I don't know, it's like simpler. 213 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,840 But then there are some solos in there. 214 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:44,920 So he's got kind of that 80s metal guitar style going on too. 215 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,560 So it's really just a good mesh of all of it. 216 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:52,520 And it just goes well with somebody rapping over it. 217 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,640 Yeah, I think they really captured something 218 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,640 unique at this time. 219 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,480 And it still sounded surprisingly good to me 220 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,160 coming back to it after all these years. 221 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:01,800 Why don't we play the opening cut here? 222 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,400 It's a little bit of bomb track. 223 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,080 It's a sweet quiet night, you ain't been watchin' porn. 224 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,040 Porn, porn, yes you're gonna porn. 225 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,240 Porn, porn, yes you're gonna porn. 226 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,880 Porn, porn, yes you're gonna porn. 227 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,400 That's my favorite stompy guitar line on the album. 228 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,760 And it's just such a great opener. 229 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,400 I love how we all kind of picked parts of songs 230 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,880 where it starts off a little bit down here 231 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,760 and then within two seconds. 232 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,840 They don't waste much time in the quiet moment. 233 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,560 So bomb track was the first single release from the album. 234 00:13:37,560 --> 00:13:40,800 It alludes to the idea that existing power structures 235 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,960 and people in position of authority will face consequences 236 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,040 from those they oppress at some point. 237 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,320 It's a tale as old as time. 238 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,480 It's the peasants and the monarchy, 239 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,920 but it's the same kind of idea where 240 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,600 getting it out there to the masses. 241 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,720 So the three words I used to describe the album 242 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,080 are truth bombs for the burbs. 243 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Yes. 244 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,440 So I first heard this in college. 245 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,440 There was this girl that I knew from some of my classes 246 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,520 and she invited me and a bunch of my friends 247 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,280 to her dorm room because we had to hear this 248 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:15,320 and none of us had. 249 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,160 And it was the rawness and the simplicity of it 250 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:23,000 that all of us were just like, what is this? 251 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,240 And it was kind of conscious hip hop 252 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,080 for the grunge generation. 253 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Because it does sound like grunge rock to a large extent. 254 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:37,000 So I think that's part of why it just clicked with people. 255 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,920 And then people started listening to the words more. 256 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,600 Instead of the, fuck you, I won't do what you tell me, 257 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,120 where people I think were internalizing that about, 258 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,720 I shouldn't have to turn this paper in. 259 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:55,120 I think it was being misused probably by youth at the time 260 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,680 depending on what situations they were in. 261 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,520 And one of the things I respect so much about them 262 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,200 is that they never back down. 263 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:04,960 I think that's the thing that makes them really stand out 264 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,120 is that unlike most bands which are formed to create music, 265 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,440 that almost feels like a secondary purpose to them. 266 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,920 They really seem like they're trying to instill change 267 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,640 and incite activism. 268 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,240 Because if you look at their career, 269 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,320 every one of their records has a similar direction, 270 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,720 similar tone, similar energy, similar message. 271 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,120 They are laser focused on tearing down the establishment, 272 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,440 for lack of better words. 273 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:28,480 That's pretty unique. 274 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,200 I don't know too many bands that really 275 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,520 have that focus to them. 276 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:36,160 Or we'll fight against the establishment, 277 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,000 but signed to Epic Records. 278 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,480 Too shy. 279 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,680 Well, we got to get the word out. 280 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,320 And it's just an interesting thing. 281 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:47,720 It could be a whole discussion. 282 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,200 Someone could write, and maybe they 283 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,800 have some kind of dissertation about artists, 284 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,960 whether it's music or whatever, movies, 285 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:59,440 and how something that's trying to shed light on problems 286 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,000 becomes huge. 287 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,400 Then that's your business. 288 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,960 It's hard to rage against the machine 289 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,160 when you're part of the machine. 290 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Right, exactly. 291 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Yeah, that machine's printing out some sweet dollar bills 292 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:11,680 for you. 293 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,280 I think for me, this is still a pretty exciting record. 294 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,440 And I still thought it pretty enjoyable coming back 295 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,640 to you after all these years. 296 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,920 I think it's their best of their studio albums. 297 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,160 I'm going to nominate this for the Albiners Hall of Fame. 298 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,360 I think my biggest critique could be it's maybe a little bit 299 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,360 one note. 300 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,880 But I think it's a great note. 301 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,960 And it still resonates with me after all these years. 302 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,160 So what do you guys think? 303 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,120 Is this Hall of Fame worthy? 304 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Yes. 305 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,720 I was expecting some sort of screaming rap delivery. 306 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,200 Yeah! 307 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,400 I feel like saying no just so I can watch it burn and burn. 308 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Spark a revolution. 309 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,840 But yeah, yes, I agree. 310 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,720 I mean, it's infectious. 311 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:58,280 So even if you can ignore the political aspects 312 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:04,400 and still just rock out, or you can choose to listen. 313 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,320 So you can not only bang your head, 314 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,720 but you can feed your mind. 315 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Well, congratulations to all four members. 316 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,120 Once again, the album is Rage Against the Machine 317 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:16,520 by Rage Against the Machine. 318 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:17,280 I'm good enough. 319 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,400 I'm smart enough. 320 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,600 And doggone it, people like me. 321 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,520 If you're enjoying the show, and we hope you are, 322 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,120 do us a solid and leave a review on Apple podcasts 323 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:28,880 or your favorite podcast app. 324 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Maybe we made you laugh or you discovered an album you enjoy. 325 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:33,800 Leaving a review keeps the show going 326 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,480 and helps other music fans find us. 327 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Do what we told you. 328 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,680 Well, ladies and gentlemen, I've suffered for my music. 329 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,720 Now it's your turn. 330 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,760 Oh, man. 331 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:57,000 My pick for a protest record goes back to 1965 with Phil Ox, 332 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,080 I Ain't Marchin' Anymore. 333 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,200 This is the second studio album by Philip David Ox, 334 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,720 born in El Paso, Texas in 1940. 335 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,440 Let's hear the title track. 336 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,520 This is I Ain't Marchin' Anymore. 337 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:14,240 At the end of the early British Wars, 338 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,800 the young land started growing, the young blood started 339 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,480 flowing, but I ain't marchin' anymore. 340 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,000 How can you sound so happy and sing 341 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,520 about such horrible things? 342 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:31,400 So this song criticizes all of American military history 343 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,360 from the perspective of a soldier who's 344 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:38,440 been present at every single war since the War of 1812. 345 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,920 I mean, there's lots of cool lines throughout this album, 346 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,040 but it's always the old who lead us to the war, 347 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,400 always the young to fall. 348 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,680 Phil Ox said of the song, it borders between pacifism 349 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,000 and treason, combining the best qualities of both. 350 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,840 He also wrote, the fact that you won't 351 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,560 be hearing this song on the radio 352 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,680 is more than enough justification 353 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,120 for the writing of it. 354 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,880 So the three words I chose to describe this album 355 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,440 are truth-telling, badass. 356 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,720 Just that quote there is like, I'm like, wow. 357 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,640 And now after going through that Rage Against the Machine 358 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,960 record, I could almost picture, like just give these songs 359 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,200 to Rage Against the Machine and see how they do it, 360 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,400 and they would kind of work. 361 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,960 It's just the delivery is a bit different. 362 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,600 Or you could flip it around too and see if Phil Ox can do it. 363 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,320 Oh, yeah. 364 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,800 Fuck you, I won't do it, you tell me. 365 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Well, so it's not just war that Phil Ox takes on. 366 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,280 There's a song called The Iron Lady that's 367 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,400 about capital punishment. 368 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,000 It takes on both the state of Alabama 369 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,480 and the state of Mississippi when it comes to civil rights. 370 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,760 It's an interesting record. 371 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,520 I mean, it's a very, it's stereotypical of what I, 372 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,680 when the theme came up, protest music, 373 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,400 I'm like, oh yeah, folk singer. 374 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,360 And I think that's the thing about it. 375 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,280 It's not like, hey, we're going to all get together 376 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,480 and we're going to fix this. 377 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,560 It's pretty much just all, this is fucked up, 378 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,960 this is fucked up. 379 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:06,160 Let's hear another one. 380 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,520 This is Draft Dodger, Wrong. 381 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,000 And yet again without blood and gore, 382 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,880 I'll be the first to go. 383 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,440 Yes, I'm only 18. 384 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,320 I got a ruptured spleen and I always carry a purse. 385 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,440 I got eyes like a rock. 386 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,800 All right, so that one's a little bit different. 387 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,920 It's a little bit different. 388 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,000 It's a little bit different. 389 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,160 It's a little bit different. 390 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,880 Eyes like a rock. All right, so that one's 391 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,680 even more lighthearted in its tone 392 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:34,240 and the way that it talks about the draft for Vietnam 393 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,240 and all the excuses to try to not be drafted. 394 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,560 One of the lines that popped out at me the most 395 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,600 was I always carry a purse, 396 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,800 which back then would have been enough to, you know, 397 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,440 get you kicked out of the military. 398 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:55,440 But it just reminded me of Klinger on MASH 399 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,080 where he was always trying to get a section eight 400 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,160 and have them get kicked out because he was crazy 401 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,320 because he dressed like a woman. 402 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,160 I mean, that's such an odd thing now. 403 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,360 Very, very other times, that's for sure. 404 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:13,640 Three words I used to describe this album 405 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,960 are a disturbing pattern. 406 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,600 What really popped for me is that songs 407 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:22,240 against war and bloodshed, they just seem to keep coming. 408 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,920 You know, we've got stuff from the 60s, 409 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,080 stuff from the 80s, stuff from the 90s, 410 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:28,960 and it just is like, is this thing on? 411 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,800 You know what I mean? 412 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,680 Yeah, especially when you hear that title cut 413 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:33,640 where he's talking about the wars 414 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,320 for like over the last couple hundred years 415 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,840 and how things haven't really progressed that much. 416 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,240 You got the same problems. 417 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,440 Yeah, and now we have wars still happening 418 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,120 and it's still tough to understand the motivations 419 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,600 and yeah, it's messed up. 420 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:55,200 So it just, it jumped out at me like, was a dent made? 421 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,800 I think they are, but I think it's like tiny dents 422 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,600 at a time and they're hard to see 423 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,880 unless you look at the bigger picture. 424 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,800 But yeah, it just, it struck me how, 425 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,440 especially because he's so clear 426 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,520 and where you guys were talking about 427 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:09,880 how he lays it all out. 428 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,120 Yeah, it just was more, at first I was like, 429 00:22:12,120 --> 00:22:13,960 oh, boring folk guy. 430 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,240 And then I was like, oh man. 431 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,680 That's right. 432 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:20,520 Yeah. 433 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,280 Well, let's hear another one. 434 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,800 This is, that's what I want to hear. 435 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,960 I'll tell you what it's all about. 436 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,320 Now nobody listens to a single man 437 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,160 when he's walking round down and out. 438 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,760 Maybe the most catchy song about forming 439 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,760 the workers union I can think of. 440 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,080 Three words I use to describe this album 441 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,800 are using a guitar for a picket sign. 442 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,960 I just had this mental image of him 443 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,640 like kind of walking around the picket lines, 444 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,400 with his guitar kind of leading the protesters 445 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,800 or the picketers against their cause here. 446 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,600 Yeah, I really enjoyed this record as a whole. 447 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,320 I think it's cool that he kept it so on point 448 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:05,440 with his message. 449 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,320 He covers a variety of topics, 450 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,480 just not all this anti-war stuff. 451 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,720 It gets into some pretty interesting race relations 452 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,920 towards the end of the album here with cuts like, 453 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,560 here's the state of Mississippi. 454 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,160 That's a diss track. 455 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,400 Yeah, that's a pretty brutal takedown of the song. 456 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,120 Did you find Mississippi's mixtape response? 457 00:23:26,120 --> 00:23:27,120 That's right. 458 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,280 Yeah, but he does, it just, 459 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,400 he mixes in enough humor, I think, 460 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,320 to make these songs digestible. 461 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:37,720 I mean, there's some of them are like, 462 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,240 are really pretty brutal takedowns 463 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:44,040 of these different issues and groups of people, 464 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:44,880 but they're pretty funny. 465 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,360 Like you get some funny lines in there 466 00:23:46,360 --> 00:23:48,240 and he gets kind of just like, 467 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,680 you know, like he's not, 468 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,680 he seems like he's taking these issues seriously, 469 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,480 but he does take them with a grain of salt, I guess, 470 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:54,920 which helps it. 471 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,640 So he gives us these raw truths, 472 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,600 but then they could make you sick to your stomach, 473 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,600 but then he supplies some Pepto-Bismol as well. 474 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760 Right, there's a spoonful of Pepto-Bismol 475 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,200 to go along with all that gut-wrenching stuff. 476 00:24:10,360 --> 00:24:12,520 Yeah, some of the Pepto might be, 477 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,880 there's a couple of tracks in there. 478 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,800 There's one that's kind of a tribute to John F. Kennedy, 479 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,560 you know, after the assassination. 480 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,480 And then, you know, he was kind of, 481 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,160 I mean, he's talking about the corruption 482 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,680 of labor unions as well. 483 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,680 But there's a, he does do the ballad of the carpenter, 484 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,640 you know, which is an old song about Jesus. 485 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,800 There's the poem, the highwayman. 486 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:35,640 Highwaywoman. 487 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,480 That's an old one. 488 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:41,720 You know, which is, you know, 489 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,960 kind of some good old-fashioned folk storytelling. 490 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,160 To give you a break from the, you know, 491 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,720 I guess the hard-hitting, you know, political perspective. 492 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,920 Yeah, and then, I mean, this is, 493 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,960 I think this is the first record since I've been on the show 494 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,400 where it's literally just one guy and a guitar. 495 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,160 Yeah, that's a really good point. 496 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,720 There's no accompaniments at all. 497 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,320 It's just, that's all acoustic. 498 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,040 Which is, it's even somewhat atypical of the time. 499 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,800 I mean, you had your groups like, you know, 500 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,400 Peter, Paul, and Mary, you know, 501 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,560 that are, you're throwing in a lot of extra strings 502 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,800 and stuff like that to make it more dramatic. 503 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,160 But this is just, I mean, this could have just been him 504 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,520 sitting on a car at some sit-in or something, 505 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,880 or some, yeah, some demonstration. 506 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,040 Yeah, it kind of has that feel. 507 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:29,440 So that's, I Ain't Marchin' Anymore from Phil Ox. 508 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,360 I ain't marching anymore! 509 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:33,680 No! 510 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,520 No! 511 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,360 No! 512 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:36,200 No! 513 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,520 Excuse me! 514 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,000 I'd like to ask you a few questions! 515 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 Well, we're talking about protest. 516 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,880 We're gonna take the question 517 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,080 kind of from a different perspective. 518 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800 So if you could go back in time, 519 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,520 and you could protest the release of any album 520 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,720 for whatever reason, what album would it be? 521 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,000 I might protest against Rage Against the Machine 522 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,000 because of ushering in the new metal accidentally. 523 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,920 Which, to be fair, there are good albums in that mix. 524 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,080 Just the overall vibe of it was very misogynistic, 525 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,320 which was exactly the opposite of anything 526 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,160 Rage Against the Machine would have ever intended. 527 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,680 So accidentally, while trying to help, 528 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,880 there's always a wake behind every speeding boat, you know? 529 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:26,880 Yeah, absolutely. 530 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,720 So. 531 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,240 Well, similar to the Rage Against the Machine protest, 532 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,960 I would maybe go Pearl Jam 10, just because you had, 533 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,400 and I love that record, 534 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,280 but so many people took on that vocal style, right? 535 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,920 From Hootie and the Blowfish, Creed, 536 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,200 even Bush, we could say. 537 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,280 And then, back to Pink Floyd, 538 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,600 those albums without Roger Waters, 539 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,520 particularly a momentary lapse of reason, I don't know. 540 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,480 It's like a legacy destroying album, I think. 541 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,160 Yeah, you know, I'm just struggling with the idea 542 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,120 of stopping music from happening. 543 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,840 I feel like that's against the whole idea of protesting. 544 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840 You're protesting against this question? 545 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:15,840 I guess so. 546 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:17,760 I don't know, man. 547 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,760 I'm glad everything has happened. 548 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,160 I think it got us to where we're at, 549 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,800 and it's not a bad thing. 550 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,400 How diplomatic. 551 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840 Because we're in such a good place, musically. 552 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:29,760 We've been in good places. 553 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,120 Even disco? 554 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,240 I'm a free speech absolutist, man. 555 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,400 I do feel strongly that we should get 556 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,640 all that crap out there. 557 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,200 The marketplace of ideas. 558 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:39,760 Okay, okay, okay. 559 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,000 You've changed my mind. 560 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,200 I don't have one either. 561 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:46,920 Do you wanna protest auto-tune? 562 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,920 Okay, what album would you like to block the release of? 563 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:53,760 Let us know. 564 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,600 Let us know. 565 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,120 Check us out on the socials, Facebook, Instagram, 566 00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,000 threads, also on the Discord. 567 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,760 Albumnerds.com slash Discord. 568 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,920 You make me public enemy number one? 569 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,400 It's not some kind of joke. 570 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,600 Well, I got a message for you and your friends. 571 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,200 You tell them, yeah, boy! 572 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,040 Yeah. 573 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,000 Flavor Flav. 574 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Okay, so my choice is kind of an obvious choice. 575 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,760 It's the 1990 album, 576 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,560 Fear of a Black Planet by Public Enemy 577 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,440 is the third studio album by Public Enemy 578 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,960 released on April 10th, 1990. 579 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 The album is known for its groundbreaking production 580 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,220 by the Bomb Squad, its socially conscious lyrics. 581 00:28:36,220 --> 00:28:39,800 It was released as a follow-up to the critically acclaimed 582 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,840 It Takes a Nation of Millions to hold us back. 583 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,720 Public Enemy really was aiming to create 584 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920 a complex, thematically focused album 585 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,960 exploring issues of race, racism, and social justice. 586 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,240 Public Enemy was formed in 1985 by Carlton Ridenour, 587 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,480 that's Chuck D, and William Drayton, Flavor Flav. 588 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,140 Public Enemy's unique formation took place 589 00:29:00,140 --> 00:29:01,920 while producing a radio program 590 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,280 at Adelphi University in Long Island. 591 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,200 Consists of key members, Chuck D, lead rapper, 592 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,480 Flavor Flav, charismatic hype man, 593 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,040 DJ Norman or Terminator X, Rogers, providing beats, 594 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,680 and the Bomb Squad are the production team. 595 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,520 So why don't we kick things off 596 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,440 with a little bit of Fight the Power. 597 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,000 Fight it, Fight the Power. 598 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,280 Oh, there's the inspiration, that's the Isley Brothers. 599 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,000 According to Chuck D, that was the first song 600 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,720 he ever heard with a swear word in it, 601 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,000 which is why he was fascinated with it as a kid. 602 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,920 It said bullshit in the lyrics. 603 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,640 What he know is, was a hero to most, yeah. 604 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,160 Elvis was a hero to most, but he never meant to me 605 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,080 if he's straight out racist, a sucker was simple and plain. 606 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,720 Motherfucking in, John Wayne. 607 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,560 Cause I'm black and I'm proud already. 608 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:48,960 Take down Elvis and John Wayne in one song? 609 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,520 Yeah, yeah. 610 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,880 I thought that was, I mean, that's pretty well known line, 611 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,080 but I think it's so smart in what it says. 612 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,920 You know, it takes these American icons, 613 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,720 Elvis and John Wayne, and it says, 614 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800 hey, these guys aren't everybody's heroes. 615 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,480 We got our own stuff going on here. 616 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,560 We have our own heroes that are fighting 617 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,760 to give us the same opportunities and equality 618 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,880 that you, John Wayne, Elvis loving people are afforded, right? 619 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,840 And I think that for me, 620 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,120 when I first heard this album in high school, 621 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,760 a friend of mine gave me a cassette copy, 622 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,880 same guy that turned me on to De La Soul. 623 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:25,520 It was that moment, you know, 624 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,400 so I can only speak to what this album did for me. 625 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440 And it made me look at the world and say, 626 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,680 hey, I've got it pretty good. 627 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,880 And there are a lot of people 628 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,640 that don't have the same opportunities that I do. 629 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,040 And hearing the truths spoken by Public Enemy 630 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:47,040 in this album really did help me to try to look at things 631 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,800 from other people's perspectives, 632 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,320 especially those in black America. 633 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,280 The three words that I used to describe this album, 634 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400 pretty simple, open your eyes. 635 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,120 And that's what I was getting at there. 636 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,800 And, you know, similarly to our experience 637 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:06,800 with listening to Vivid by Living Color a couple of shows ago, 638 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,040 they made some really good points too 639 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,160 about these two sides of America. 640 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,520 And I just hadn't seen it before. 641 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,320 But this album in particular was scary, right? 642 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,280 It was kind of like the heavy metal explosion 643 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,800 of a few years before that scared parents. 644 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,560 This was in your face. 645 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,520 This was hard. 646 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,520 It was the music, the samples, 647 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,160 the way they used them were so intense 648 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,120 that it was a musical revolution and a lyrical revolution. 649 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,160 And in a lot of ways, I think, 650 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,080 breaking in the dam of telling America, 651 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,440 you gotta pay attention to what's going on here. 652 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,840 You can't ignore us anymore. 653 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,840 So, and it's that rebellious sort of heavy metal ethos. 654 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,720 You know what I'm saying? 655 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,560 Yeah, I think it's also just like really, 656 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,760 it's a loud record in terms of the production, 657 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,400 but also just vocally like, 658 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,920 I almost feel like they're shouting at you at times 659 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:03,400 and it's just, it's in your face. 660 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:04,240 Yeah, totally. 661 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,560 I think that's intentional. 662 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,840 Well, and then they've got that sour and sweet mix 663 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,680 where Chuck D is more the teacher, 664 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,560 more the authoritarian giving you these truth bombs 665 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,960 and facts and what's happening. 666 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,960 Like, and welcome to the terror dome, 667 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,360 really getting into some nitty gritty stuff 668 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,800 about like a young man in New York City 669 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,280 that was brutally killed by white kids in a neighborhood 670 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,400 because he was in their neighborhood and just truths. 671 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,040 But then you've got flavor, flave, 672 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,840 also serving some of that up, 673 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,000 but with such a different tone, 674 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,480 like the class clown acts up 675 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,040 and then the tension is broken in the classroom. 676 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,760 Yeah, you need that to break the tension a little bit. 677 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,240 Chuck D is intense, man. 678 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,600 All right, why don't we jump into a serious subject 679 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,080 but delivered straight from flavor town. 680 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,000 This is 911 is a joke. 681 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,120 You better wake up and smell a real flavor 682 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,640 because 911 is a fake lifesaver. 683 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,840 So get up and get, get, get down. 684 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,480 911 is joking, yo, damn. 685 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,320 Get up and get, get, get down. 686 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,360 Kind of like a weird, like, 687 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,080 almost like a party song in a way. 688 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,760 It's the way it sounds. 689 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:09,600 Yeah. 690 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,200 It delivers that chorus. 691 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,240 But the message is like incredibly sad. 692 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,480 I mean, just like brutally honest about, you know, 693 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,760 half hour wait time for 911 call for someone who's been, 694 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,520 you know, injured at your house. 695 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:24,920 In certain neighborhoods. 696 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,120 Right, just don't show up. 697 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,920 Even in Duran Duran's neighborhood, 698 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,760 cause they actually cover this song 699 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,400 on their covers album. 700 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,240 Thank you. 701 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,560 Oh Lord. 702 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,160 Thanks for grounding us here, Doug. 703 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,240 Appreciate it. 704 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,200 Yeah. 705 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,840 You might, you might need to step out right now, Don. 706 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:41,680 I don't know. 707 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,520 What? 708 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,360 Duran Duran. 709 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,560 What do those guys have to protest 710 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,520 that they don't have enough eye shadow? 711 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,840 My three words describe this record are 712 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,160 fear of clearing the samples. 713 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,720 This is an album that just never could get made in 2023 714 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:07,320 cause there are so many samples, 715 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,720 especially from like pretty recognizable sources 716 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,360 all over this record. 717 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,160 There must be thousands of them. 718 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,320 Yeah, I mean, like you hear, 719 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,200 you hear Vincent Price's laugh from Thriller 720 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,040 which I'm sure would be locked down. 721 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:20,880 Right. 722 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:21,880 Yeah, there's just a lot of stuff. 723 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,160 Back in, you know, 1990, there wasn't really that issue 724 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,840 or at least it wasn't a very popular issue 725 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520 where you had people who were copyright claims 726 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,600 on their music. 727 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,440 Yep. 728 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,600 Probably in some cases they're so buried in it 729 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,200 that maybe they wouldn't be recognizable. 730 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,920 So they could get away with using it. 731 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,160 Yeah, but I think it's that sheer quantity 732 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,280 like you were saying that 733 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,560 and how they're all just mixed and layered together 734 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,000 that makes this a pretty interesting record 735 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,120 to listen to I think. 736 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,480 But you know, I think on that track 737 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,960 we just played there now when it was a joke, 738 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,920 like Flavor Flav, he sounds good on that song. 739 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,480 Like I, and the levity that he brings to the record 740 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,920 and the group as a whole, I think is much needed 741 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,200 cause it is such a serious stuff they're talking about 742 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,200 and N-Chuck D is so heavy. 743 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,040 It's a good mix. 744 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,800 And I, you know, I think it's a long record 745 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,080 and it can be intense to go through, you know, 746 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,400 the full hour runtime. 747 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,120 But for me, having such an interesting musical landscape 748 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,080 that they're kind of working on here 749 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,400 with all these cool samples, I think kept it pretty, 750 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,040 kept me pretty engaged all the way through. 751 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,920 All right, so why don't we get into another track, 752 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,920 another controversial topic, especially in 1989 and 90. 753 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,080 Let's listen to a little bit of Poly wanna crack up. 754 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:33,840 Did you pick it? 755 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,680 I just wanted you to say it. 756 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,520 Did you pick it just so I had to try and say that? 757 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,360 Listen up. 758 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,360 She wants a lover right now, but not no brother. 759 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,000 A man gotta have a lot of money to get under her cover. 760 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,480 Now she's a fine. 761 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,240 Yeah, so that, as Dude said, you know, 762 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,840 controversial subject, interracial relationships. 763 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,720 But you know, actually what struck me about that song 764 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,960 is just the vocal delivery. 765 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,200 I didn't know it was Chuck D at first. 766 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,280 I thought it was some guest, you know. 767 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,120 Well, it has a Samuel L. Jackson. 768 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:08,960 Yeah, just that, I don't know. 769 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,840 I really like it, enjoyed that delivery. 770 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,160 It's just an interesting choice. 771 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,160 And that song is so weird, 772 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,880 like the backing music and stuff. 773 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,080 You always pick the weird songs. 774 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,640 Yeah, I mean, the whole album is, 775 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,440 well, the three words I chose are a colorful planet, 776 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,520 because it's a very colorful record, right? 777 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,760 It's not just one tone. 778 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,520 Like going back to some of your early hip hop, 779 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,640 we did the first Run DMC album, 780 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,600 and it's all, it's monochromatic. 781 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,440 You know, the whole thing kind of sounds the same. 782 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,600 And I think a rap delivery, you know, 783 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,240 kind of can be that way, right? 784 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,520 Cause you're not really changing tone much. 785 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,800 But yeah, there's lots of little songs like this, 786 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,720 little skits and stuff that, you know, 787 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:58,120 give the album a lot of, you know, playful texture. 788 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,560 And again, you know, I'll just go back to the layers 789 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,320 and layers of sampling. 790 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,400 You know, I really, you know, got lost in that. 791 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,680 I think people called them the, what, 792 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,560 like the Phil Spector of hip hop production or something. 793 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,960 Yeah, the wall of sound. 794 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,960 With that, the wall of sound. 795 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,160 It also reminds me of Brian Wilson, you know, 796 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,360 who of course was influenced by Phil Spector, 797 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,280 but like the idea of taking instruments, 798 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:25,920 but by the time they're on the record, 799 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,760 you don't even really recognize them, 800 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,440 or you're using them in a way that's not typical of them. 801 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,880 And really blown away by the production. 802 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,240 It, this feels like it's pretty innovative. 803 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:39,360 What about Fear of a Black Planet? 804 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,760 The title track also kind of gets into that interracial, 805 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,720 like the fear, you know, with a world full of mostly 806 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,280 not white people, if you look at the entire world. 807 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,120 And the, where the black man, black woman, black baby, 808 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,280 white man, white woman, white baby, 809 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,840 where, you know, the children of interracial relationships 810 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:06,720 are categorized by society as being black, 811 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,840 and it shouldn't matter, you know? 812 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,640 And at the time I had a cousin of mine 813 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,000 was in an interracial relationship. 814 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,800 They were facing a lot of ugly stuff 815 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,480 that I didn't know was real until, you know, 816 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,960 hearing about it firsthand. 817 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,720 So that song always has really resonated with me as well. 818 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:28,120 I mean, it's such a heavy album, you know? 819 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,720 Yeah, that's why, that's where flavor comes in. 820 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,600 Yeah, so this record is really beyond me in some ways. 821 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,480 I mean, it's one of those things where you take who you are 822 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:40,360 and you take what, you know, 823 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,120 what you can learn from something. 824 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,480 And I think this has, this album has something different 825 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,760 to offer for people of all different backgrounds. 826 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,760 And you can, it can help you to think 827 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,240 about other perspectives. 828 00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:55,000 It's one of those that just really gives you all the tools, 829 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,280 all the fuel, all the words necessary 830 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,720 to really think about it. 831 00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:01,360 Especially in, you know, today's times as well, 832 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,000 a lot of these things are still very relevant. 833 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,200 So I nominate this, of course, for the Elm Nerds album. 834 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,760 ["Elm Nerds Album"] 835 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,440 Probably one of the best hip hop records of all time. 836 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,280 Definitely one of the most communicative, clear, 837 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,720 concise albums of a group of people 838 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:21,520 trying to tell us how they feel. 839 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,040 So I'll give a hell yeah. 840 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,320 For the production alone, I think it really stands out 841 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:28,720 as being revolutionary. 842 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,000 And then you throw in classic lyrics and, you know, 843 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,240 obviously the impact on the culture, I think, 844 00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:36,800 is very strong and it holds up well today. 845 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,640 So yeah, yes from me as well. 846 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,800 Yeah, I think it's a great record. 847 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,440 I mean, like other albums we've covered, 848 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,880 there's a couple of things that make me uncomfortable. 849 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,480 I mean, there's maybe a dash of homophobia in there, 850 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,440 in there somewhere, which I would hope 851 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,480 or I believe that probably Chuck D might regret, 852 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,760 you know, if you were to ask him today, you know. 853 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,960 But yeah, I mean, this is, you know, 854 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,400 it's a groundbreaking album. 855 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,840 Yeah, it is probably one of the great protest albums 856 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,400 of all time, yes. 857 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,640 All right, Public Enemy, you've done a public service. 858 00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,200 Thank you and go check out Fear of a Black Planet. 859 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,800 ["Fear of a Black Planet"] 860 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,680 Well, you know, not only did we, you know, 861 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,320 find albums with a protest song, 862 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,480 I think all three of us did a good job picking albums 863 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,160 that were pretty much almost all, you know, protest music. 864 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:30,760 Did we learn anything? 865 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,360 Yeah, I mean, I guess I was thinking of protest albums 866 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,600 mostly from like a race perspective, 867 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,200 but you know, a lot of these records that we've picked on 868 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,400 had that element, but there was also a lot of other things 869 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,440 that people protest as well, you know, 870 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,280 which, you know, the anti-war stuff 871 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,480 and you know, labor unions and stuff like that, 872 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,880 I think is interesting. 873 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,040 There's a lot of, there's lots of things to protest. 874 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,560 And it's an important part of who we are in our culture. 875 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,760 And I'm glad that, you know, music is probably directly tied 876 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,760 to that as any medium, so that's awesome. 877 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,760 And what I learned was kind of connected to something 878 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,040 that we mentioned earlier was freedom of speech. 879 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,840 And I think that exercising your rights for freedom 880 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,960 of speech in a creative way is just so much more interesting 881 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,360 than, I mean, I understand picket lines. 882 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,760 I understand people out, you know, with their placards 883 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,120 chanting a line over and over again, 884 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,320 but this is just such a more interesting, engaging way 885 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,160 to get your points across is through music. 886 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,120 And I really learned to appreciate how powerful music can be 887 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,480 as a way to deliver that, so. 888 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,240 It's almost like the music is secondary 889 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,720 and like what's most important is getting the message across. 890 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,760 And maybe that's true for all three of these artists. 891 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,200 And maybe that's why they were so well executed. 892 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,760 Also, all three artists, you know, 893 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,880 I don't think they held back at all, right? 894 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,520 I mean, they weren't worried about committing treason, 895 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,800 you know, I mean, they weren't worried 896 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,120 about what the backlash would be. 897 00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,960 And that's, you know, I think that's why we, you know, 898 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,560 ended up with three, you know, very good albums. 899 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,480 And that's one to grow. 900 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:16,480 I'm your density, I mean, your destiny. 901 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:22,080 All right, boys and girls, gather around. 902 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,200 It's time once again, form a picket line. 903 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,640 And we are going to see what the album nerds 904 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,280 bought has in store for us next week. 905 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,000 Gather around, people now. 906 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:42,120 Give that wheel a spin. 907 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,720 Your musical destiny will once again be taking you 908 00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:46,160 on a journey through time. 909 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,520 You must explore albums from the year 1986. 910 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,960 There is however a twist. 911 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,040 You must choose a Billboard top 10 album for the year. 912 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,120 Best of luck, gentlemen. 913 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,120 Top 10 albums of 1986. 914 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,360 We'll each be picking one of the 10. 915 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,840 OK. 916 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,680 So destiny is a little, has a tighter grip on us this time. 917 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,520 All right, quick reminder, we do have two ongoing album 918 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,640 votes for the Hall of Fame. 919 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,440 So go to our website and Album Nerds Discord, 920 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,440 albumnerds.com and albumnerds.com 921 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,680 slash Discord to cast your ballot to get those albums in 922 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,200 or keep them out. 923 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,000 What are your favorite protest records? 924 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,960 What's your favorite album from 1986? 925 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,160 What else are you listening to? 926 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:28,640 Let us know. 927 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,440 Join fellow album nerds on Discord 928 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,800 at albumnerds.com slash Discord. 929 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,920 You can email us at podcast at albumnerds.com 930 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,440 and follow us on Facebook, Instagram, and threads 931 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:39,440 at albumnerds. 932 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,200 Please subscribe, rate, and review 933 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:42,680 on your favorite podcast app. 934 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,280 And if you'd like to support the show, 935 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,040 you can do so via PayPal at albumnerds.com slash support. 936 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,840 Thank you once again for listening 937 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,960 to the Album Nerds podcast. 938 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,760 We'll catch you next time with that 1986 top 10. 939 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,120 Thanks for listening, everybody. 940 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,360 Catch you next week. 941 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,080 Fuck you. 942 00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,960 I won't do what you tell me. 943 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:03,960 Fuck you. 944 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,960 Oh, and Don just scared his new puppy away. 945 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:07,480 I know. 946 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,160 He was just looking up. 947 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,040 I did back away from the mic that time. 948 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:12,540 God. 949 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,960 Poor puppy. 950 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:31,960 movie