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Welcome to the Album Nerds podcast with your hosts Andy, Don, and Dude.

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Dearly beloved, we're gathered here today to get through this thing called the Album

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Nerds podcast.

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I'm Dude.

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I got Andy and Don with me.

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Andy, you ready to wash yourself in some purple rain today?

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You might say I'm ready to purify myself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

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Beautiful.

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Don, how are you doing?

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Purple rain would be a good shampoo.

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It would, yeah.

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Sure.

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For those who need shampoo, which I do not.

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Some of us need more shampoo than others.

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All right.

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So this is the Album Nerds podcast.

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We love albums in the album format and we like talking about them and spreading that

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gospel of the power of music.

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So we've got a really great show for you today focusing on only one album.

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We're discussing Princess Purple Rain from 1984.

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Then we're going to check in with Rob from the 1001 Album Complaints podcast for his

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thoughts on purple rain.

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We're going to answer a question that's loosely related to today's topic.

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And then of course, we'll be spinning the wheel of musical destiny to find out what

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kind of albums we'll talk about next time.

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But this week, it's all about that purple rain.

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That's what I'm talking about.

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Every so often, we like to go back to things that were discussed on the show before and

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spend a little more time on it.

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Deep in the archives of the Album Nerds.

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Too deep for anyone to travel.

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Do not go.

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So it was episode 27.

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You guys spent an episode talking about Prince albums.

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You covered Sign of the Times, 1999, Artificial Age, and of course, Purple Rain.

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I've actually gone to the Prince well quite a bit.

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It's a deep well, dude.

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In episode 92, you guys discussed originals.

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And then in episode 126, you talked about Sign of the Times again.

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And then back, I believe it was my first official episode, episode 143, we discussed three Prince

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albums, the gold experience around the world in a day, and again, Artificial Age.

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But today, we're finally going to really delve into, I think what many people see as his

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masterpiece, but I suppose it's debatable, Prince's Purple Rain.

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And Prince came in.

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That's when Purple Rain came out and Prince was the s***.

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Prince had on like a, it was like a Zorro type outfit.

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He had the ruffle come down the front.

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Learned something they did.

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They never judge a book by its cover.

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This cackle ball, man.

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Okay, well, let's get into the album.

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This is the title track and closing cut of the album, Purple Rain.

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Well, Prince reportedly said, when there's blood in the sky, red and blue equals purple.

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Purple rain pertains to the end of the world and being with the one you love and letting

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your faith or God guide you through the purple rain.

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So that song was originally written as a country song and it was meant to be a potential collaboration

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with Stevie Nicks.

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Supposedly Prince had sent the 10 minute instrumental track to Stevie Nicks for her to write lyrics

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and I guess she was just overwhelmed and said it was too much for her.

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So Prince took it back to the revolution.

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They created the song that you hear now.

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That's one of three tracks that was recorded at the First Avenue Club in Minneapolis.

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So it was live.

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Of course, it was significantly overdubbed later in the studio.

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Anyway, so Purple Rain is the sixth studio album by American singer songwriter and multi-instrumentalist.

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Also a producer, Prince, born Prince Rogers Nelson in 1958 in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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So it is actually the soundtrack album to the film Purple Rain in which he also starred,

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which came out the same year.

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Sold over 25 million copies worldwide.

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It was his first billboard number one and it's billed as Prince and the Revolution.

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The key members of the revolution at the time were Wendy Melvoine on guitar and vocals.

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Is that Mark Brown or Brown Mark?

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I wrote it backwards, I think.

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I should double check that.

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Is it possible?

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I think if someone were named Brown Mark, they would not use it as a performing name.

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I don't believe.

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Well, I'm going to go with, we'll go with Mark Brown then on bass guitar.

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Well guys, I just looked it up.

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His birth name is Mark Brown, but he actually went by the stage name Brown Mark.

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Sometimes it would just be one word Brown Mark.

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I stand corrected.

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Sorry, Brown Mark.

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Also have Lisa Coleman on keyboards, piano and vocals, Matt Dr. Fink on keyboards and

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Bobby Z on drums.

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Well, let's hear another cut on the album.

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This is the Beautiful Ones.

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Yeah, that's track that really stands out to me as kind of being like the first really

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impressive moment on the album for me, at least.

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It starts out being such a beautiful little ballad and then transitions into this very

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emotional heartfelt plea for this person to pick them over the other guy.

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Just really awesome book performance and the guitar comes in and just kicks ass.

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But yeah, the three words I use to describe this record are purplest shade of purple.

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I think this really, I mean, arguably is his best selling record, arguably his best album.

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I think it really defines who he was at this time.

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As much as it is about this character in the film, the story, but I think it's very reflective

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of Prince himself and he really puts himself out there on these songs.

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It's a very open personal record, I think.

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It's interesting because I don't think it really falls into a lot of the genre tropes.

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I mean, it's a pop record, but I think there's so many unconventional things that happen

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as you're listening to it.

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The way the songs are put together, the different effects, and obviously Prince just has such

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a unique personality.

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It doesn't sound like a lot of the pop records at the time or even today.

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That's right.

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It kind of reminds me of The Beatles in that I think there's just something about Beatles

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records that just kind of, they just sound a little bit different than everything else.

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Even though they're doing sort of typical things in the pop realm, it just has a different

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sound and yeah, Prince is definitely the same way.

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Well, by this point, by album six, I believe he felt empowered.

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He had had success with 1999 and I believe that he just felt like this was his canvas

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to paint.

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Nothing was holding him back.

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As far as the movie goes, I read that he was refusing to resign with his management if

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they didn't make the movie happen.

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He wanted that to happen.

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They had a hard time getting someone to want to distribute it and all that stuff at first

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to sign on for the project.

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Yeah, I think he knew that this was a magnum opus of his career.

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I think he knew it.

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Yeah, that's the perfect word for it.

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The unbridled passion of this particular performance for this song, letting it go vocally where

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he is just screeching, it's real enough that it's not like an annoying loud sound.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Like it actually is full of emotion.

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It sounds like he gets overcome by the end of the song and the movie performance, he's

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laying on the ground by the end and he looks exhausted.

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I feel kind of emotionally exhausted when I get to the end of the song because it's

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like you've been through something with the guy.

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What do you guys think about the movie in general?

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Do you enjoy it?

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Do you ever, you guys have both seen it, I assume?

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I didn't see it until I was in college and I was a little underwhelmed because it's not

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the best acting in the world, but in subsequent years, understanding his story, understanding

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who he is and really getting deeper into his music, I watched it again and I enjoy it now

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because it's just cool to see the performances in particular are amazing, but it's just cool

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to see him at his height like that.

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or something like that.

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I think finally, maybe 10 or 15 years ago, I think I sat down and actually watched it

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and it was okay, but I wasn't blown away by it or anything.

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The album, I think just kind of stands alone.

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I almost feel like the film doesn't need to exist.

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It gives a little bit of context for some of the songs, the content of the songs.

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I think it makes more sense if you're thinking about the story of the movie, but I agree.

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I think that probably the quality of the album is a little higher than the quality of the

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movie.

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There's also the aspect of the movie soundtrack, like the album is kind of the movie soundtrack,

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but the movie has the time in it, Morris Day in the Time and Napalonia and there's songs

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by them in the movie and so then they have their own albums, so that completes the soundtrack

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is if you got Ice Cream Castles by the Time for instance.

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But the movie was like thriller, right?

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It was the music video for the album.

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And that's, I think it's very necessary to making, at least to what it became commercially

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and to how people felt about Prince as a passionate performer.

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You got to see this guy ripping it up on stage and it wasn't some boring concert video.

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It was a movie, so I think people got to understand him better and the Minneapolis music scene,

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which no one was paying attention to.

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All right, let me play another cut from the record.

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This is a little bit of Take Me With You.

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That is a duet with Apollonia Cotero.

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It was originally supposed to be performed by Vanity and I believe she was supposed to

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be sort of the female lead in the film, but she moved on.

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The song was supposed to be released by Apollonia's group at Apollonia 6, but it ended up being

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a late addition to the film soundtrack.

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When they added Take Me With You to it, they ended up shrinking, Computer Blue, I think

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which initially was supposed to be like seven or eight minutes long and now it's only about

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three minutes.

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I just like that song a lot, particularly as the second track.

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It's a nice contrast after the Let's Go Crazy.

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I'm just a sucker for those strings and the synth line.

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The, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun.

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Yep, you and your synths.

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Well, to me, it sounds like a song that could have easily been on around the world in a

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day.

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It's got that more psychedelic sort of sound that I think he focused more on on the follow

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up to this.

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The strings were arranged by a Revolution member, Lisa Coleman.

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The three words I chose to describe the album are end times pop or pop for the end times,

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I guess.

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I'm kind of going with this theme of Purple Rain being the end of the world.

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I feel like this is maybe, well, some of the subject matter I think is kind of about how

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to live until you sort of get to the end.

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But also, it just seems like sort of like the ultimate pop album.

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This is the last thing humanity produces is this.

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It's like the celebration at the end of the world of great pop music.

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Yeah, just a cool musical journey.

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When Doves Cry is just such a fantastic pop song, an all time favorite.

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Yeah, it's such a weird sounding song to me.

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I always never could place why that track always stands out as being so different.

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I was reading about it.

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I was like, there's no bass guitar in that song at all.

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It just kind of has like this emptiness on the low end and it's just kind of unsettling.

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That drum machine sound, that's a driver and it does sound empty and alone.

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These people in a relationship, Doves are the sign of peace, but they butt heads and

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have drama between them and trying to find a way that you make that love work.

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But it's hard to find in that emptiness of that baseless drive, I think really does.

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Yeah, it feels purple.

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It does.

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It's funny.

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It does.

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Yeah, one other thing I want to comment on was going back to having the three live tracks

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That's usually something that kind of bothers me.

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I don't like a live song thrown into the middle of an album because it really, I think, can

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throw off the flow.

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But they did a good job of actually kind of making you not even notice that those are

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live tracks.

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Although it's sort of like there's that space in the sound or something that makes it feel

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live, but it doesn't throw me off at all.

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To me, it's more like the way that rock and roll records and all records were recorded

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previously, which is live performances, not with a crowd cheering and stuff, but like

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the doors, all of their stuff, they would perform the band in one room and Jim Morrison

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in the other room singing.

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It was happening in real time.

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And I've always preferred that and enjoyed that because you can kind of feel it.

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You can feel it, especially in the mistakes.

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Now, of course, you can go fix some stuff here and there, but I like that organic feel.

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What are the other two songs that were recorded live?

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It's that last suite of songs basically.

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So the I Would Die For You, Baby I'm A Star, and Purple Rain.

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All right, well, let's go back to the beginning of the record.

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Here's Let's Go Crazy.

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So yes, this is the album opener.

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I mean, Prince invites the audience to go crazy.

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And this has been interpreted a lot of ways, going against the silent norms, being yourself,

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you know, celebrate life, digging into this, which has been one of the best times of my

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life.

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Having an excuse to just listen to this album over and over and over again.

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There was an interview that Prince did with Chris Rock in 1997.

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And he said that this song served as a metaphor for the battle between God and the devil,

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good and evil.

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And he kind of had to obscure it because he didn't, you know, there was a lot of, as we

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talked about, a lot of religious undertones and faith, you know, beneath the surface on

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some of this stuff.

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He said that as he wrote it, that it was about God and the de-elevation of sin, and that

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the de-elevator was the devil.

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And I think to him, I think God was that creative side of him.

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I think the stuff he was able to do was his way of touching God, you know, and I think

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that's what he was celebrating here.

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Let's rip this thing open.

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Let's do this on this record.

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Let's let it all hang out.

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Let's beat the de-elevator and make the perfect record.

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Wow.

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I just blew my own mind, guys.

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You kind of give me a minute.

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I just love that Prince comes up with these little terms to disguise his concepts.

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Such a Prince thing to do.

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So you're kind of saying that Prince is creating his own God, essentially, on this record.

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Well, I'm saying that his talent, his creativity, I think to him was in some ways the creator

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flowing through him.

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That was his way of touching his faith.

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Reach out, touch faith.

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So yeah, obviously I enjoy this record.

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The three words I'm going to use to describe it, mystical, sensual, and revolutionary.

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Oh, I get it.

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Yeah, revolutionary.

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So mystical kind of touches on what we were just talking about, the spiritual aspects

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behind it, the emotions.

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There's something ethereal about the melodies and there's this other worldly atmosphere

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that is created.

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Sensual, pretty obvious.

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He's a very sexual being.

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It comes through in the songs, some of which more than others.

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And then revolutionary, it shattered boundaries, blending rock, pop, funk, R&B.

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And the album isn't totally perfect.

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There are some weird moments, but I think it's experimenting too.

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There's a lot of experimentation here.

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And that's a bold move, right?

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And that's what he continued to do throughout his career.

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And he had some huge successes and then some less successful projects, but he never stopped

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trying to revolutionize who he is as an artist.

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And this album, I think, is a great example of when he gets it right.

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I think he was always reaching for that Sistine Chapel moment where his fingers touching God's,

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you know what I'm saying?

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Like always.

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And that was beneath it all.

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And I think people had a hard time seeing that because of his sexual nature, his energy,

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and people had a hard time accepting that you could be both.

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Let's talk about that sexual energy for just a moment.

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Listening back to this show here, I was struck by Darling Nikki in particular and how explicit

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that track is.

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It really is, especially for the time.

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But yeah, it's spicy.

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Does it make more sense in the context of the film or something?

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Because I think he's using the song to sort of humiliate the girl or something.

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Yeah, at some point, she's trying the lead singer from the time is courting her, trying

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and telling her he's going to help her with her music career, but he's really trying to

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get to the kid.

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So then in a performance, the kid, the character is kind of a douche and is singing about all

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of his naughty exploits with Darling Nikki to break the girl's heart.

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She runs off.

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Dick move, the kid.

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Prince, you're cool.

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I don't know about that kid character though.

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Yeah, I'd read supposedly though that Darling Nikki was the song that pushed Tipper Gore

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over the edge to-

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The tipping point for-

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The tipping point for Tipper, I guess, to go forward with that little sticker there,

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the parental advisory sticker.

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The PMRC, that's how it all started.

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Yeah, they had like hearings and everything, but yeah, she got the record for her kids

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because it was the new pop sensation and then heard that song.

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I mean, if there had been a sticker on that, maybe she would have listened to it first

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by herself before playing it for her children.

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But yeah, little kids probably shouldn't hear Masturbating with the Magazine.

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I feel like there's a song on every Prince album that makes me just a little uncomfortable.

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Yeah.

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That's true.

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So yesterday, I was listening to the record and I was in and out of Zoom meetings and

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stuff and I usually have music playing in the background, but I'm in a meeting and then

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that song starts and I'm like, skip, skip, because I didn't want anything from that.

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Sometimes people say, what are you listening to?

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So I still feel that too, Don, where I was a little like, eww.

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Well, that's good.

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Because he doesn't, I mean, usually in rock and roll, it's innuendo, right?

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And so there's little metaphors and euphemisms and stuff like that that are sort of hiding

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the meaning or something.

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But Prince just says it.

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Yeah, he's a pretty open guy.

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I mean, what a record, guys.

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I continue to be impressed with it.

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It's one of the few albums where it just keeps getting better for me.

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That's like impossible, right?

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I mean, by the time I'm 80, I'll be listening to this and then sitting on the floor, like

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floating above the floor because I've reached some kind of spiritual enlightenment because

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I've really got, I've finally gotten it all the way.

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Record has become purple rain.

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Yeah.

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I'll start glowing purple and floating above the floor.

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That's going to be awesome.

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No, I think it does warrant those closer listens and there is a lot going on, especially sonically.

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I think it's such a rich and textured record with some really inventive ideas and just

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outside the box thinking from a production standpoint that, and to know that Prince was

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so involved with that aspect of it too, it just gives it a whole nother level that you

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wouldn't get for most records of this time period.

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Well, it sounds like this is Einhoff material.

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You think?

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Yeah, it might be heading that way.

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All right, it's in.

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Right, we don't need to do a ceremonial vote for the record.

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Of course.

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I vote yes.

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I guess I also will vote yes.

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I vote yes.

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Which is yes.

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Congratulations to Prince and the Revolution.

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Well deserved.

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Is this our first Prince album in the Hall of Fame?

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I think so.

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We're going to be doing some other revisits, I imagine.

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Rectify that situation.

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Yeah.

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I'm good enough.

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I'm smart enough and doggone it, people like me.

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All right, gentlemen.

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Well, we have a special guest review from another podcast called 1001 Album Complaints.

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Great show.

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Yeah.

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So they, if you haven't heard it before, they're actually responding to this list that's out

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there.

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It's like 1001 albums you must hear.

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And so each episode they choose another album on that list and they give honest reviews

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and kind of decide whether they truly are albums that you must hear.

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So anyway, so here's what Rob from 1001 Album Complaints thinks about Purple Rain.

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Hey guys, this is Rob from 1001 Album Complaints delivering my Purple Rain review.

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So let me start by saying for a pro songwriter Prince, these songs just aren't that good.

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Listen, I understand Prince is an insanely prolific writer that's worthy of great respect.

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Certainly.

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It also means his sheer quantity gets in the way of his average quality.

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There are a lot of high highs on this record.

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There are some really low lows.

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Prince has killer vocal range and is a multi-instrumentalist of epic proportions.

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And quick diversion while we're on that topic, Prince is a terrible actor and the movie Purple

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Rain is laughably bad, save forgetting to see Prince live, which is indeed cool.

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But okay, here's a couple of specifics.

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Let's Go Crazy is a high point.

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We're talking full rock and roll excess on display from start to finish.

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When Dove's Cry still sounds like nothing else ever put to tape, Purple Rain is a classic,

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but it's longer than Hey Jude.

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And yeah, I know it's a live take, but still it goes on a bit.

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Low points are stuff like the half baked jams of Darling Nikki and the beautiful ones where

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Prince runs out of production tricks and ideas and just starts screaming over the track to

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try to sell it.

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In conclusion, Purple Rain is rightfully thought of as a classic album, innovative and fun,

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but not without its dated eighties fashion excesses, the kinds you find in a secondhand

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store.

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He's on fire!

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Ooh, that was spicy.

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So here we are, showering love, kissing Prince's butt for the last 20 minutes.

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And then Rob comes in and kind of ducks on us, right?

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It is refreshing though to hear a different perspective.

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I think I grew up with that album being held and regarded so highly that I don't know any

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other way to look at it.

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What did you guys think of hearing someone point out some of the blemishes that I hate

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to admit there's some truth to?

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I wouldn't trim a second from the title cut personally.

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I think that's great.

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Whether it's eight minutes or not.

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Yeah, I mean, eighties are a time of excess.

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I mean, he's not wrong about that.

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I'm not going quite as far as he going though.

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I think it's a pretty great record.

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Well, he thinks that, yeah, he admitted it's a great record, but he had the, you know,

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those guys have the guts sometimes I think to even those things that are held so highly

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to point out some blemishes.

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I don't see any of them.

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Yeah, I think maybe my problem is I start to find the blemishes charming or something

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or because I think an album is great, but you know, the flaws maybe become something

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I actually like about it.

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I don't know.

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Maybe we do need to be a bit harsher moving forward.

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Yeah, so thanks, Rob.

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Thanks 1001 Album Complaints.

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Great podcast.

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You guys should go check it out.

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These guys are unafraid and it's fun to listen to.

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So thanks again.

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Excuse me.

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I'd like to ask you a few questions.

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It's time to ask ourselves a question.

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So the Purple Rain film is famous for Prince's great stage performances.

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What other concert films would you recommend?

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Well, I think there's a bunch of good ones.

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I'll throw out a few that came to mind initially for me.

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Talking Heads Stop Making Sense, if you haven't seen that.

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It's more of a live concert performance with some minor production flourishes.

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Pretty awesome.

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Ziggy Starr Residence Parties from Mars, similar concept, also pretty awesome.

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But I just watched recently more of a documentary type film about the Ruin Stones called Gimme

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Shelter.

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I think it's on HBO right now.

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It's about a specific concert in their career and some events that surround it.

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But it was also pretty interesting and some really good live performances from the group.

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Yeah, that Festival Altamont is considered basically what ruined the summer of love after

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Woodstock.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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The first thing that came to mind was Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park from 1978, which

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was on ABC television.

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Oh, wow.

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Produced by Hanna-Barbera Productions and Kiss...

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Hanna-Barbera?

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Was this animated?

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Parts of it were because they had cartoon lightning bolts and stuff coming out of them.

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So there's some performances at this amusement park, but then an evil guy that makes the

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animatronics hates that Kiss is getting all the attention and he makes robot kiss that

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fight the real kiss.

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Anyway, there's a few performances of Bath and Shout It Out Loud and stuff.

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And I saw that when it was on.

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I was a little kid.

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That was the first time I probably saw live concert footage really that impacted me.

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So that came to mind, but it's not really on the level of Purple Rain in any way, shape

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or form.

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Stuff that I would throw in that category, the song remains the same, Led Zeppelin, The

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Band, The Last Waltz.

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That's really a documentary, but also concert performance stuff.

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It's pretty awesome.

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And then things like Bohemian Rhapsody, right?

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I mean, it's one of the few of those kind of biopics that have done it to that level

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that make people moved by the performance, even though it's not the real performance,

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which drove people to go watch the Live Aid Queen performances on YouTube and stuff.

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So it's kind of anti, but it kind of fits.

477
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Yeah, it actually reminds me of the recent Elvis movie by Baz Luhrmann.

478
00:28:55,860 --> 00:29:01,240
At the end of the movie, they actually have real footage of Elvis, seemingly not long

479
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,640
before he actually passes away.

480
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,600
And he does a version of Unchained Melody that's really just fantastic.

481
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:14,880
And it's kind of emotional because you see just this fat guy that's just like a shell

482
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:20,720
of himself physically, but you're still hearing inside the magic underneath.

483
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,800
And so that was actually my favorite part of the movie was the live Elvis footage.

484
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:34,440
But yeah, probably my favorite kind of concert doc film is Depeche Mode 101, surprise, surprise.

485
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,080
It was done by D.A. Pennebaker, who actually did Dylan's Don't Look Back and the Monterey

486
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,200
Pop films.

487
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,560
But it's actually interesting because there's like two things going on.

488
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,480
So it's Depeche Mode on their Music for the Masses tour, touring the United States, which

489
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,160
culminates in them doing this giant show at the Rose Bowl in Los Angeles.

490
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,960
And this is, you know, they're an alternative band that, you know, nobody would expect to

491
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,280
fill a place like that.

492
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,640
But at the same time, it's a contest where all these Depeche Mode fans get to ride a

493
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:06,620
bus from New York City to L.A. and see Depeche Mode a bunch of times.

494
00:30:06,620 --> 00:30:09,520
But they document what these fans are doing along the way.

495
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,580
And so some people say it might have helped pave the way for things like the real world

496
00:30:14,580 --> 00:30:16,280
and road rules and stuff like that.

497
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,280
Well, thank you, Depeche Mode.

498
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,280
Depeche Mode and D.A. Pennebaker.

499
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,200
What a legacy to leave behind.

500
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,560
I want to throw one more in.

501
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,940
I got to say this because of today's theme.

502
00:30:25,940 --> 00:30:28,200
Go watch Sign of the Times prints.

503
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,600
It's a concert footage of all the songs from the album Sign of the Times.

504
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,780
I haven't seen that.

505
00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:35,780
It's awesome.

506
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:37,280
What's your favorite concert film?

507
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,280
Let us know.

508
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,760
Hit us up on the socials, Facebook, Instagram, threads.

509
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,440
Also Discord, AlbumNerds.com slash Discord.

510
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,440
I'm your density.

511
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,440
I mean, your destiny.

512
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,440
All right, boys and girls, gather around.

513
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,440
It's time to go.

514
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Let's gather around.

515
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Once again, do you see what fate has in store for us on next week's episode?

516
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Make love, not war.

517
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,680
Next week, you will be exploring albums that feature songs of protest.

518
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Protest comes in many forms and for many reasons.

519
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,000
Some artists have made it their mission to speak out for those without a voice.

520
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,040
So go out and fight the power.

521
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,040
Protest music, okay.

522
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:36,320
So when artists have an opportunity to call to arms or to shine lights on injustices and

523
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
wrongs in society, a little protest.

524
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:39,840
Sounds fun.

525
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:40,840
All right.

526
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:41,880
Well, what's your favorite Prince record?

527
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,560
What's your favorite protest album?

528
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,560
What else are you listening to?

529
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:45,560
Let us know.

530
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Join fellow Album Nerds on Discord at AlbumNerds.com slash Discord.

531
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:54,640
You can email us at podcast at AlbumNerds.com and follow us on Facebook, Instagram and threads

532
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,880
at Album Nerds.

533
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,480
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534
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,680
And if you'd like to support the show, you can do so via PayPal at AlbumNerds.com slash

535
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,680
support.

536
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,440
Thank you so much for joining us on this very special purple edition of the Album Nerds

537
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,440
podcast.

538
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,240
We'll catch you next time with some protest music.

539
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,240
Thanks for listening, everybody.

540
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,240
Catch you next week.

541
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Are you going to dare sing Prince songs?

542
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,520
I don't know.

543
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,520
I don't know.

544
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,520
How can you just leave me standing?

545
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,520
I'm going in this world.

546
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,520
Sorry Prince.

547
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,520
I heard that pretty low there.

548
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,240
He does it a little better.

549
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,960
Dig if you will a picture.

550
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:34,960
No.

551
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,960
I feel like...

552
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Stop.

553
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Shatner should do that.

554
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:38,960
This is like the British version.

555
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:39,960
Dig if you will.

556
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,400
See, right now you're being the D elevator, my friend.

557
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,400
Stop it.

558
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:51,740
It's ridiculous.

