00:00:03:02 - 00:00:18:03 Erich Hi everyone. Welcome to Potluck where we talk about culture appropriation. Well, let's start by the by definition, wah, wah. What's your understanding of the term? How would you relate it to food? 00:00:18:09 - 00:00:54:22 Phil So culturally appropriation and is a term that's been thrown about a lot the last couple of years. And it's a little bit for me, it's a little bit difficult to define because apart from being a sort of like broad subject, like I feel like there's lots of aspects where there are a lot of situations and circumstances where the term could get thrown into a room, furniture conversation that could go like different ways. 00:00:57:05 - 00:00:59:19 Phil What is your understanding of cultural appropriation? 00:01:00:07 - 00:01:29:15 Erich Well, at the beginning I wouldn't understand it. It's also a new term for me, and I was like, okay, so what what's the deal with I don't know, with many things that happen around this topic. But I remember one one case really made me understand why why it makes so many people angry. And this was like an airline. 00:01:30:18 - 00:02:01:24 Erich And in a country in Southeast Asia, you know, these countries are where the tattoos come from. This the tribal tattoos with the. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That have the wrong visual language and esthetics of shapes and this kind of things. So the airline took this esthetic to its corporate image, but they wouldn't hire people with those tattoos that come from that culture. 00:02:02:07 - 00:02:04:15 Erich You know, it. 00:02:04:21 - 00:02:06:09 Phil I mean, that's shitty. 00:02:06:15 - 00:02:41:22 Erich When you listen to a case like this and you, I mean, everything makes sense because it's this an extreme case where, you know, it's even, you know, funny but in a bad way, you know, that something like this happens. Um, but then there are other cases like, for instance, people talking about costumes or this kind of thing or even more like, I don't know, crazy examples like talking about characters in video games or in cartoons that don't represent their culture. 00:02:41:22 - 00:03:10:13 Erich They portray. And I mean, if we bring it to food, I can relate because I've seen some things. For instance, from my Venezuelan heritage, I've seen like like a recipe videos where there is someone trying, pretending to know how to cook a specific recipe. I remember a specific case was Carmen made challah? The guy was calling it Kani. 00:03:10:13 - 00:03:48:07 Erich Mikado. And he would put it like in a in a food processor, the meat, you know, you made like a period of, you know, like a of course, anybody who sends what kind of meat is that and will get offended. So I understand if I think I don't know a few Asian ingredients and put something and put like a name in it of this I've never tried in its original place. 00:03:48:19 - 00:03:52:16 Erich You know, I understand that people will hate me for that if I do that, you know. 00:03:53:07 - 00:03:55:06 Phil Yeah, I do understand that also. 00:03:56:07 - 00:03:57:04 Erich Like, I mean, the. 00:03:57:09 - 00:04:18:14 Phil But that's the difficult thing. It's sort of like like when does it have to do with like when is it a valid point to point the finger at the culture? And and also when is it adequate for you to take ownership, ownership of that culture in that sort of way in order to put somebody else in what they're doing in that place? 00:04:18:21 - 00:04:31:11 Phil You know, like at what point do you have the rights to do that? I think with the with the airline, you know, that's like clear discrimination, you know? I mean, that's full on, full on discrimination. 00:04:32:13 - 00:04:51:03 Erich I'm at the point. The point is not discrimination for me. The point is they're they're using something that belongs to to that people, you know, because it's their own thing and their own culture. And and then you're discriminating them. At the same time, you know, like. 00:04:51:14 - 00:05:10:20 Phil Yeah. Yeah, exactly. They're exploit, like they're marketing and exploiting a certain culture for their profit, you know, for their image. But then they'll discriminate the people where that is actually coming from, what they are benefiting from. Right. Without giving anything back. 00:05:11:03 - 00:05:45:06 Erich I have another example. I was just a few weeks ago, like six weeks ago in Boston and New York, and we went to a few Italian American restaurants, you know, and being there, I mean, for me, Italian American is its own thing. And the people I work with are all from Europe and they're into Italian, Italian restaurants like for decades. 00:05:45:23 - 00:06:21:08 Erich And when I told them that this is an Italian-American restaurant, they were like, well, okay, okay, Italian-American. But this this has nothing to do with Italy, like at all. Like The Borgias, the way the sequence is, what comes first, what comes after, you know? And so you could save this marriage, the cultural appropriation, because it's heritage of generations ago that some Italian heritage and it evolves into its own thing, but it has nothing to do with the sauce anymore. 00:06:21:08 - 00:07:09:16 Erich So maybe it's a different topic, not cultural appropriation or something else. But started, say some of a culture or a tradition and and you get to see that, for instance, like with the soul controversial American pie area where you actually talk to the pie. Yeah. And this is highly offensive for by Nazis in Valencia. And so I mean they think that there are no rules like and stuff like food or music, you know, like you just listen to a rhythm or to a specific flavor profile and you just replicate it, you know, like I'm. 00:07:10:07 - 00:07:36:06 Phil Yeah, I mean, like, but, but this, like, this brings up like one of the, like, most important points, I think, in this topic. I mean, with the two examples that you just talked about, you know, Italian-American, I would totally agree. It's like something completely different. But those were Italians coming to America and like adapting to the food culture there. 00:07:36:06 - 00:08:04:10 Phil And then it evolved, you know, so nobody took anything from anybody. You know, this is something that was created by immigrants and then it evolved into a new sort of like cultural identity of immigrants living in a new country. And I think this is one of the main things because, you know, we're talking about food. You know, which as you just said, you know, we're making examples of sort of like music and art and all those sorts of things where this is not a thing. 00:08:04:11 - 00:08:43:23 Phil This is something this is a cultural identity, which especially nowadays, you know, mixes and merges and it evolves so much. I mean, from the time where people like, you know, and the Italian-American example, you know, from when people immigrated to from Italy to America, you know, and then imagine like nowadays where we have so many inputs from every corner of the world constantly, you know, and but, you know, Americans taken by and, you know, making it something else, you know, that's that's not a people that's not a person from Atlanta doing that. 00:08:43:23 - 00:09:06:24 Phil You know, that's Americans doing it very, very like ignorantly, whether that's good or bad. Like that's that's a different topic. But it's it comes from a place of not knowing what they're doing, you know, so and then to call of a certain name, I think that is that is where the issue lies for some people. You know. 00:09:06:24 - 00:09:48:14 Erich Yeah. I mean I've seen pictures of my. Yes. Like, like really fake using lime instead of lemon. And I mean and that there is also, I think like being America as a whole continent. I'm talking about from Canada to Argentina, a continent that was colonized. So the original cultures were completely transformed into something else. I think the whole continent is much more permissive where mixtures and actually you won't see fusion restaurants, something nice and interesting. 00:09:48:17 - 00:10:13:14 Erich And then you go to new Georgia. We'll see. A lot of you could find like a Greek Thai fusion restaurant just as an example. And people will find this interesting while in Europe it's the opposite is like, what the fuck is that? You know, like, I want like something that I can get like a frame of understanding of what I'm going to eat. 00:10:14:08 - 00:10:19:07 Erich Um, yeah, I had another idea, but. 00:10:19:07 - 00:10:47:10 Phil I forgot about it. Yeah, but I mean, instead of slaves or so that's the thing. Like we have, I mean, we now we spoke about to like very, very clearly marked examples. We spoke about one example where the immigrants adapt to a new culture and like a new basically subculture. You know, it's created this formed Italian-Americans basically exactly the same. 00:10:47:10 - 00:11:03:00 Phil Like the Nikkei food culture. Right. It's exactly the same immigrants, Japanese immigrants coming into Peru, adapting to what they have, adapting to the local taste, to the ingredients. And the new thing is formed, you know. 00:11:03:21 - 00:11:23:16 Erich And it's its own thing. It's a new thing and it's a direct thing. And I can imagine, like a Japanese thing, the way Nikkei chefs do some things and they will agree or would think that's not the way you do it or whatever, but that's the way you do it in Nikkei cuisine. 00:11:24:14 - 00:11:51:13 Phil Exactly. Yeah. But then like and then we talked about, you know, you know, cherry pie, which, you know, is people just doing whatever they feel like, you know, with sort of thinking that they know how it's done, but actually not knowing how it's done. But then there's a lot of gray area in between, you know, where the argument of sort of like, you know, blaming somebody for culturally appropriating something, it's a little bit more difficult. 00:11:51:13 - 00:11:57:07 Phil I think I can think of one very good example. 00:11:57:16 - 00:12:02:07 Erich But for this. Yeah, okay. Sorry. Go ahead. 00:12:02:07 - 00:12:29:08 Phil I can think of one really good example that happened a couple of years ago. There was a very, very popular restaurant in London that was cooking tradition and northern Thai food and is not owned by a Thai person. And the food is primarily focused by not by Thai people, but the the head chef and co-owner. He's a guy from the UK. 00:12:30:07 - 00:12:56:00 Phil He spent a lot of time in Thailand and basically spent will spend most of his career cooking northern Thai food, going to Thailand, researching it and then, you know, going back and cooking these dishes, obviously putting his own twist on it, but without making the fusion me or anything. Anyway at great success started as a small sort of like pop up, long running pop up. 00:12:56:08 - 00:13:24:09 Phil And then he opened a very big restaurant and the claim of them culturally appropriate and came up because one of his chefs went through with them for many, many years at a YouTube channel. That was a little bit offensive to a lot of people because he was making cooking videos on how to cook certain Thai dishes, but he was making some inappropriate comments about about Thai coach. 00:13:24:09 - 00:13:53:20 Phil I was speaking in an accent sometimes and so people got wind of that and then related him to the restaurant because like I said, he had been working there for six years or something, at least in the end, getting him fired with a lot of, you know, Asian people speaking out against his restaurant saying, fire this guy, you owe it to my culture because you are you are making a profit of a culture that's not yours. 00:13:55:01 - 00:14:34:04 Erich And I guess that's a claim that's a claim of cultural appropriation. But I don't know, like I feel I could if I wanted to open an Italian restaurant and cook Italian. Like, I feel it's my right, you know, like maybe because it's Italian, because it's something so rooted in to the all Western culture. But perhaps if I were to open like a Nepalese restaurant without ever being there in my life and I understand it actually, you know, like but where would you set the line? 00:14:34:11 - 00:14:36:22 Erich That's the problem. 00:14:36:22 - 00:15:02:19 Phil Yeah, that is the problem, I think. I mean, I have a very unpopular opinion about all of this that I think it's kind of like freedom of speech, you know, it's like just let's just let the people cook whatever they want. Yeah. You know, if you if you go there and you eat it and you say this is not a reason, you know, don't go back to the restaurant, that's it. 00:15:02:19 - 00:15:24:24 Phil Unless the guy cook whatever they want. Right? It's like I don't understand at what point somebody feels entitled to have the rights of censoring somebody's actions, somebody's words, somebody is cooking. Right, because they feel like they have an ownership over the content of what they're producing. 00:15:24:24 - 00:16:04:08 Erich What I know and I understand from intellectual property and patterns and all this kind of things, is that you can't patent something that that is a knowledge to be a tradition. So you can go like into the Amazon and find like a technology that, for instance, a shaman has and and patent it and steal it. And if someone proves that was that they were doing this before you, then your partner's not not it doesn't qualify for it. 00:16:04:08 - 00:16:38:03 Erich So I guess the same thing applies to culture, you know, like and food like. I mean, I really like cooking what I call like free Asian cooking. I just go to an Asian supermarket and get a lot of different stuff and and combine them with my culinary understanding. And there's nothing wrong about it. And I cook up and I understand if I open a restaurant and I say, that's too original something, why when it's not, that's a problem. 00:16:38:16 - 00:16:46:23 Erich But if I'd say this is whatever my free style Asian bar, nobody can say anything against that, you know. 00:16:47:06 - 00:17:08:10 Phil Yeah, absolutely. And so it's sort of like it's your right, you know, it's your right to express yourself and especially because, you know, again, kind of going back to the fact that we're talking about food, you know, like food or something that's so much and so sort of like it's kind of like if you if you want to censor something saying, oh, this is originally from here. 00:17:08:17 - 00:17:31:17 Phil So where do you draw the line? Do we count out everything containing cinnamon and like European cooking, you know, like a drunken lecher, like rice pudding? Is that suddenly not Spanish anymore? You know, like, I mean, so much of, for example, Spanish food culture is so extremely influenced by Arab food culture. Does that mean that it's not Spanish anymore? 00:17:31:17 - 00:17:37:05 Phil Not at all. Spanish food is what it is today. Is a product of exactly that. 00:17:37:23 - 00:18:04:23 Erich Yeah, that the other thing that comes to my mind is like. But again, this is also like a consequence of colonization of the Americas and is that there were things that have names that don't really correspond with the object they're naming. I remember the Amazonas, there were fishes that were called sardines. There were also like marginal cultural level. 00:18:05:04 - 00:18:35:16 Erich There were myths that really went about to the Bible and they were telling them as if they were indigenous myths. And it's like, now somebody told you that at some point ago and they're just repeating like something that is in the Bible. This is not something from here, you know. And of course, because these cultures were completely exterminated and and indoctrinated into creationism and and Western values. 00:18:36:01 - 00:18:45:13 Erich So it makes sense that they call sardines some Amazonian fish or a beer to some traditional Amazonian drink. You know? 00:18:46:17 - 00:19:02:13 Phil You know, that's so extremely funny to me, actually, because I can just imagine, like, if I was walking through the Amazonas and being like, oh, have you seen this weird fish is like a safety net. It's like, really? 00:19:03:24 - 00:19:36:16 Erich That's really what happened, you know, like it also like that there are problems with this cultural colonization. I read a study on, you know, in there and this if you go through the numbers, you will see there are cheese is all important is the cheese in every culture that they have the spreads cheeses and everybody cheese. But it turns out like a lot of people are not lactose intolerant because this is not something rooted there. 00:19:37:05 - 00:19:49:16 Erich This is something that is just an absolute implementation of colonizers. So there is a lot of people producing and eating cheese, even though it's not the best thing for the diet, you know? 00:19:49:16 - 00:19:59:20 Phil Oh, really? That's crazy. But I mean, like there again, it's sort of like it's in that gray area because it's like if it's a product of colonization, you know, it's like it's they could see. 00:19:59:20 - 00:20:03:24 Erich You know, an appropriation. It's colonization. It's a different issue. 00:20:04:20 - 00:20:14:07 Phil Yeah. But if people if people are like rejecting it and saying because it's not part of like my but yeah, you're right. We're, we're, we're kind of sliding into a different subject. Yeah. 00:20:14:14 - 00:20:57:13 Erich Yeah. Because yeah, you're it's also a cultural victimization from or domination from one group over another, but through a completely different dynamic. Yeah, but Tex-Mex would be another example. Like, like, yeah, like I think some guy making a lot of like a super food chain of Mexican food, you know, and he's, he's actually taking, uh, Mexican traditions, bastardize it, creating new things like, I know that burritos, it's something that doesn't exist in Mexico, you know, something America. 00:20:57:24 - 00:21:33:16 Erich I mean, la like from the United States, uh, and that there, especially in the United States also because it was a country where many restaurants, um, from other cultures started, I, probably the first Japanese restaurants outside of Asia or Japan were in the United States before they spread it to other countries and also Chinese restaurants and all of these quinces, chop suey and many other Chinese recipes are and this is again, something different. 00:21:33:16 - 00:21:47:23 Erich But these are adaptations from Chinese for the American public. So they're not cooking the traditional recipes. They're creating something new so that the, uh, the locals accept that. 00:21:49:05 - 00:22:10:14 Phil Yeah, totally. But, like, you know, like we're the problem in that, you know, not at all. I also don't think, you know, I find myself that this is a really interesting thing to realize about yourself because I find myself being more swayed to dislike the American guy making Mexican food than I am like for somebody else to start cooking Asian food. 00:22:10:14 - 00:22:24:00 Phil Because somehow I can sort of, uh, I would just say it's like I can, I can paint like you will picture more like the Texan, the Texan evil businessman and that yeah. 00:22:24:22 - 00:22:43:03 Erich But you buy into the guy's racist against Mexicans but you know, but he has like his is a restaurant chain with Mexican food. I mean yeah, I think the conclusion about this topic is that it will always depend on context. 00:22:44:09 - 00:22:45:19 Phil Uh, yeah. 00:22:47:10 - 00:23:16:16 Erich Yeah. Like, like you can just have fun and loose and mix different cultures in your pot or I think the problem comes if you label it some way, uh, and if you, if you have some claims about it, you know, if it's actually something fake because you're mixing stuff and having fun with it and you say that's what you're doing, that's not fake. 00:23:16:23 - 00:23:25:07 Erich But if you say, Yeah, this is a traditional Korean recipe from the 1600s, okay, that you're just it. 00:23:25:08 - 00:23:26:16 Phil It's fraud. It's fraud. 00:23:26:16 - 00:23:35:11 Erich Yeah. Yeah. You're taking something. I really don't know where the line is, actually. I guess I. 00:23:35:11 - 00:23:37:02 Phil Think it was something. I really wonder. 00:23:37:14 - 00:24:04:18 Erich If you're doing something from my culture. Let's say I'm Mexican restaurants. You should be open and grateful with Mexicans, you know, just for having a mexican restaurant. Uh, or the case with the airline or the case with the, with the tie you mentioned. I mean, it's something that, that has to be part of your understanding of what you're doing. 00:24:05:24 - 00:24:32:10 Phil Yeah, I think I think what you're talking about is kind of an appreciation. You know, like if you if you do something because you appreciate the culture as a completely different thing than if you're doing something to leverage somebody else's work culture identity just for a monetary reason, you know, I mean, sort of like a like how many people would you be like? 00:24:32:10 - 00:25:06:03 Phil You know what I mean? I actually I spent some years cooking Thai food and like the Thai people that I met at events and stuff, they were always super happy and super excited. For a white guy to be cooking is northern Thai food, which is not a very well known food, you know, because also, you know, internationally, it's not what people imagine Thai food is, you know, likewise, if I would like if I look at Japan and the obsession with German like houses, you know, I don't feel like anybody's culturally appropriate taking anything. 00:25:06:16 - 00:25:46:23 Phil Obviously, it's always it's always much more dramatic the other way around if white people are culturally appropriating minorities in quotation marks. But like if I like, I would never feel any resentment to anybody, you know, anywhere in the world putting on a pair of late hours and and making roasted pork knuckle. Right. And I feel like that's also is what is happening, you know, like I mean, how many and again, it's sort of like the cultures merge like Mexicans in the south of the states cooking Tex-Mex food themselves, you know, making burritos and stuff like that. 00:25:46:23 - 00:26:04:11 Phil And it's not sort of like, oh, we're just doing this because because the white guys like it. No, they're just doing it because it was kind of part of the region there and like, why not make it good, you know, and why not embrace the the melting pot of the two cultures? No, no, I. I could do that. 00:26:04:20 - 00:26:05:18 Phil I could do that. Yeah. 00:26:06:23 - 00:26:15:13 Erich Yeah, exactly. So it's more some it's more German. It's German. Turkish. It's not Turkish. Turkish. 00:26:16:20 - 00:26:39:13 Phil Yeah, it's not Turkish at all. I mean it was invented in Germany. No, but, but it's just, I mean, Germany for me is a very good example of like two cultures melting and like enriching a place, you know, because I mean, I personally, I can't imagine Germany without the cultural influence of of the Turkish population in Germany, you know, not at all. 00:26:39:13 - 00:26:56:16 Phil Me. It's made it's made Germany into like in in Turkish and obviously Italian and also, you know, but like primarily Turkish, it's made it into a new culture. For me, it's kind of taken one step further. 00:26:57:18 - 00:27:02:23 Erich What about this chef's like yours or similar? 00:27:03:07 - 00:27:05:02 Phil Who? 00:27:05:02 - 00:27:43:20 Erich Like for me, it would be silly to accuse them or what's the name of this guy? Those Vallejos Alberta rallies. For me, it wouldn't be fair to accuse these guys from cultural appropriation. This this would be like this. Guys are also not claiming that they're doing anything traditional. So you see the difference. It would be ridiculously inspired. It would be ridiculous if you would listen to them saying like, yeah, this is a way, like in a traditional monastery in China, this is prepared like, come on. 00:27:43:20 - 00:27:46:10 Erich But you just. 00:27:46:12 - 00:27:47:10 Phil Just say that. 00:27:50:01 - 00:28:10:03 Erich They're just having fun and creating whatever you want. And with in the three examples, you know, they they get inspired. They are also adapted to the local market. And they also use their culinary knowledge with other traditions and other ways of understanding what a saw this or what a marinade is, you know. 00:28:11:06 - 00:28:32:19 Phil Yeah, definitely. And again, I think that just they just, you know, they're creating from a from a point of appreciation and admiration for those cultures. You know, they they're excited about it, you know, and, you know, they eat something and it inspires them and they take it back. I mean, that's kind of what creativity is about, you know? 00:28:32:19 - 00:28:45:18 Phil And I mean, that's the cool thing about the era that we live in also that you have so many inputs that, you know, you take in and you take with you and you carry with you. And that is reflected in the work that you do, whether it's cooking or music or whatever. 00:28:46:23 - 00:29:03:10 Erich And I mean, I've worked in this kind of restaurants, restaurants that have these kinds of concepts, and it was common to see a lot of Asian people coming to the restaurant. So that is they were obviously not offended at all if they're coming to eat to to the place. 00:29:03:10 - 00:29:33:05 Phil You know, and really what that really reminds me of, I don't know if you seen this video of this guy and in the states dressing in this like really silly like Mexican outfit, like big sombrero and poncho. And he goes to like a college campus and asks students, like, if his outfit or. FENSTON By the way none of the students Mexican and they're all super offended sort of like you don't understand what this means but it means the meaning that it has where you're wearing logo. 00:29:33:11 - 00:29:44:20 Phil And then he goes to like a mexican neighborhood and talks to the guys and they're all super excited. They're like, Oh, you look amazing. You know, this is really, really funny. 00:29:45:10 - 00:30:18:20 Erich Yeah, yeah. I saw the video. I also showed that video to a friend of mine who is kind of like a defender of this issue, like of appropriation. And he laughed about it, but he told me, well, this doesn't solve the problem. You know, there is a problem. And and this is just yeah, I mean, I also understand, like the airline example or some of the example we name that there is obviously a problem and and an appropriation of our culture. 00:30:19:11 - 00:30:30:12 Erich But in other cases, there's just not and nobody is being harmed or oppressed or taken advantage of by some acts, you know, like designing a costume and. 00:30:31:11 - 00:30:57:23 Phil Yeah, and it doesn't come from a place of hate. It's not sort of like you're pulling your eyes to sort of like mimic like Asian eyes or something, which comes more from a, like a ridicule and like more of like a hateful sort of like sentiment. Yeah, like, you know, like it has a negative connotation to it. And I feel like this is the main thing, like this is the main difference between all these examples that we're talking about. 00:30:57:23 - 00:31:28:16 Phil It's like if you want to use something or like you want to represent something with a negative feeling, you know, I feel like then you are, you know, you're doing something wrong very clearly. But I think if you if you're doing something, you know, in appreciation, if you have appreciation for something, you wouldn't ridicule it. You know, you would take aspects of that culture and, you know, and take them in and process them in your own way. 00:31:29:10 - 00:32:01:01 Erich So I also understand if someone like, let's say a sexy chef from Kyoto and goes to one of these places like the well or around these or else and they don't get it don't appreciate then don't find it exciting and and even, you know, have their strong opinions about it. 00:32:02:00 - 00:32:52:21 Phil And of course they would totally get it. I mean, like something like that happened actually at one of the Berlinale, the film festival in Berlin, where Jiro Ono, the famous sushi chef from Tokyo, came for the showing of the documentary about him, Jiro Dreams of Sushi. And the the organizers had the brilliant idea to have, you know, not to name any names, but maybe to let a very famous German, very famous German chef who cooks like fine dining food with Asian influences, cater for this man because obviously it's just logical that if one person is Asian, that he'll enjoy any sort of Asian food no matter where it comes from. 00:32:52:21 - 00:33:37:02 Phil You know, I think that's ridiculous. Obviously, this guy from a super traditional place that lives in a very, very, you know, like the things that he eats, the things that he sees, the things that he deals with. They come from a super traditional place. Anybody who's watched a movie or who's read anything about this man knows this anybody and knows how much how much people, especially of this age group on both of these traditions working in this profession and then to just kind of think that's the right like he would enjoy this like very modern Asian fusion food just because it's under the same label of Asian in general. 00:33:37:18 - 00:33:47:16 Phil That's completely bonkers to me. And obviously like he didn't touch any of the foods which caused a bit of an upset, which is why I heard about the story. 00:33:48:22 - 00:34:20:11 Erich You know, that that actually happens a lot. The some let's say you I was living in Bolivia and I went to Denmark to Copenhagen. And my holes I had the brilliant idea. Oh, of course. Let's bring them to a Latin American restaurant. Love it. And I was the capital. You know, I come from Latin America. And I think the best idea would be to try anything else, you know, anything. 00:34:21:01 - 00:34:24:17 Phil Anything. That's not Latin America, of course. 00:34:25:03 - 00:34:41:23 Erich And and I mean, it won't be like 1 to 1 representation. It's impossible. You're in a completely different place of the world, so with a completely different context. So it's going to be like a copy of the original. Well, why why would you offer that? 00:34:43:00 - 00:34:54:18 Phil Exactly. Exactly. I would always think the complete opposite, you know. Who do you have a kind of finishing statement or something? You know what. 00:34:55:23 - 00:35:08:24 Erich Time you're watching this at home and you have some preoccupations about appropriations while you're cooking. Our recommendation is to just do whatever the fuck you want. 00:35:09:12 - 00:35:20:15 Phil Yeah, do whatever you want. As long as you're respectful. And as long as it comes from a place of appreciation and love. But apart from that, doing whatever the fuck you want. 00:35:21:03 - 00:35:23:24 Erich Yeah, I agree. See you next time. 00:35:24:03 - 00:35:27:09 Phil See you next time. Where we talk about pizza.