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Hi everyone, welcome to potluck food talks.

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Today we're going to talk about the bear season two.

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So you finished it.

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Yeah.

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Am I late to the party again?

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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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So like season two, just to narrow it down.

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This one ends at the day of the opening of the restaurant and it goes through the whole

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opening process of a restaurant.

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Yes.

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And I think it portrayed pretty well.

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I've worked in a few openings and it's a very stressful situation, like an opening,

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you know, where you have to pick up the dishes, the decoration, developing the dishes, doing

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also some market research, going around to the neighborhood restaurants and see what

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they're doing, tasting a lot of things, figuring out the palette of the audience you're going

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to have.

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Setting free rats in the cellar of your competitors, bribing local producers to bring you the prime

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stuff first before other restaurants.

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Stealing chefs from good restaurants.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's an important one.

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That happened.

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Like there was a scene like that, no, where Sydney is kind of going, she's like, Hey guys,

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you're looking for... and then the guy comes on and she's like, really?

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You're stealing, you're poaching right in front of my front door?

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Fuck off.

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Have you stolen chefs?

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Oh yeah.

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Have you been stolen?

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I am currently stealing chefs.

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I have stolen chefs.

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I am ruthless.

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Okay.

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And have you been stolen?

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Let me think.

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I was actually stolen from Bolivia.

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I mean, yeah, kind of, kind of.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, you know, business is business.

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Yeah, sure.

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It's a free market.

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Yeah, it's a free market.

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Chefs have gotten stolen from me.

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All right.

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Yeah, of course.

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Absolutely.

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That speaks very bad from you.

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Yeah.

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Hey, you know, it's, loyalty is hard to find these days.

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Loyalty is royalty.

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And then we have like this, again, this binding narrative across the whole series that is

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this dealing with addictions or this very complicated private life work balance that

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you find in hospitality.

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And like in this season, my favorite character becomes for sure Richie.

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100%.

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100%, right?

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Yeah.

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Honestly, for me, like I've also watched season three, which we're not going to go into right

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now.

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But over the whole of the series, by far my favorite episode is episode, I think it's

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seven in season two forks.

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Yes.

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Because of, I mean, we'll get into it later, I'm sure in detail.

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But yeah, what a beautiful, what a beautiful message inside of that.

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That's my favorite episode.

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And I also want to go deep into that one.

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But before that, so it starts with Sydney having struggles with her family about if

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it's worth going into these lifestyles.

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And this is also something like cooks need to be a little bit crazy.

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You know, like if you do like the pros and cons, it usually, many times the cons are

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bigger but you do it anyway, because it's just out of passion and love.

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And you know, it just fills you like whatever you're doing in this industry, you know?

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But like at the same time, I found that like tricky because like, you know, I think we

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all have had this experience of like one family member being like, hey, sure you want to do

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this?

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Like, oh, the pay is not good hours along the work is hard, etc, etc.

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Or even like what and you work 16 hours a day and then and you're spare time, you're

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reading cookbooks.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They don't get it.

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But what I found difficult about about Sydney in this season was I like her better in this

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season than season one.

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I think she matures, she becomes a better leader.

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You're not so much.

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No, no, I think that she behaves in a really awful way.

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Like she, you know, she gets promoted, like she gets hired as a sous chef, does that sort

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of passively, then straight away gets promoted to be a head chef.

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So Kami is the executive chef, which what the fuck does that mean in a restaurant that

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doesn't exist yet?

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You know, it's just titles thrown around.

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And you see her go through the opening process, basically doing fuck all just walking around

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eating and having constant struggles with trusting Kami.

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And this, you know, this general process where I was kind of watching and I was thinking,

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I'm sorry, but where is your entitlement coming from?

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This guy is just giving you the head chef position and the potential to partnership

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in a restaurant where he is putting his own name with three hundred thousand bucks on

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the line.

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What are you investing into this business?

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Are you investing money?

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Do you think this ever happens?

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Like, do you think this happens a lot that you get made partner in something that you're

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not invested money in?

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That is not the real world.

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And it's kind of like, what have you done to deserve this?

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Well, I see the differently.

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I see that Kami really trusts her and she also is kind of like the only person he really

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listens to, like because she comes and tells him the things nobody tells him.

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And he really values that.

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And I think that that's kind of like like like that, like the value exchange they have.

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Yeah, I get that.

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I get that part.

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But what I don't get is her reluctancy then, you know, because he is like, hey, I really

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want to work this with you.

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And he's giving her a lot.

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He's giving her responsibility.

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He's giving her possibilities.

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You know, he's building this kitchen.

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He's talking to her, you know.

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I mean, and later on, it gets a little bit more difficult with like a decision making

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process.

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But she is constantly like, should I do it?

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Should I not do it?

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And it's kind of like, bro, like, like if you don't want to do it and don't do it, but

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like, don't be so entitled about it, you know, because she's constantly having this like,

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hey, I why are you not doing this?

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I need this.

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And it's kind of like, where's this this entitlement coming from of like forcing this thing?

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You know, it's kind of like, hey, where is this?

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I need this now.

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Have you done this?

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It's kind of like, bro, chill the fuck out.

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But at the same time, like that's a very common relationship between chef and sous chef or

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executive chef and head chef.

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You know, like usually the executive one does less and the other one needs to be all over

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the place doing everything on the top of everything.

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That's true.

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And there's many, many times like this relationship where the sous chef hates the head chef or

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the head chef hates the executive chef because they feel I'm doing everything and he's not

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doing anything.

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That's very, very, very common.

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That is true.

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But with them, it's kind of like opposite because throughout the, like, Karmie is also

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not doing what he could.

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And that is an overlying theme in the second season because because he's got his relationship

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with Claire.

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Which I think I thought was very beautiful.

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Claire, the kind of character that anybody would want in their life.

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Super supportive, super calming.

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But he's conflicted because he knows that he's spending more time and more energy or

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something else that does not work, which is new for him, which I think is something that

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we can all relate to from this very efficiency driven job that we're doing.

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Also later in the series, it also happens and I've seen this many times where suddenly

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the chef is saying, yeah, I had this conversation last night with Claire and blah, blah, blah.

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And everybody's like, okay, and it's now your girlfriend part of the team.

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But even worse, I've seen this where the actual the head chef and the maid were together and

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they would come in the morning like, oh, we had this conversation last night, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, blah.

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Now we're going to do this and that change.

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And it's really awkward, you know, because it's like you're being left out of the decision

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making process and they don't need, they don't give a shit, you know, like, and that's really,

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I would say, unhealthy for a team environment.

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It's very unhealthy and it's not cool.

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And like, Carmen's not acting super cool there either.

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And he's also like just neglecting.

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I mean, this is a common theme until the very end of the season, that he's neglecting his

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duties and he doesn't call the fucking fridge guy, for example.

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Right.

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But then at the same time, you know, what I thought was troubling is that Sydney basically

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spends her entire time going around like visiting chefs and eating and cooking.

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And like, what was really awkward for me to watch is that she was like cooking things,

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trying things out and they were tasting them and they'd be like, oh, no, and spitting it

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out.

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And I'm like, man, that would like at a head chef level, that doesn't happen.

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Like you try something, you're like, ah, doesn't quite work.

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I'll do it again.

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But you would never ever make something that you eat that's unedible.

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You know, it's like, it's your black belt, you know, in your thing.

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These are the things that don't happen anymore.

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Yeah, I agree.

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What I do like is during that whole creative process, also the imagery, like that there

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are like this, I don't know, like this moments where you see dishes and memories and going

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to restaurants and ordering everything in the menu just to get a taste of everything.

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And I thought that that was really fun to watch.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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And I mean, like, I think we've all done that now, kind of like go somewhere, get inspiration.

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I mean, yesterday was a good example.

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Well, we were yesterday at normal, by the way.

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I don't know when you when you're listening to this.

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Then openings, man, openings are really difficult.

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It's like a really intense process opening a restaurant, you have to, because I'm not

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only making a building, doing like the whole decoration setting up the space that has to

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work, you know, for the next couple of years, it has to work from the very beginning, but

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then you have to train, then the construction has to be on time.

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And it's never on time.

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That is the thing.

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If you ever do an opening, just as kind of like like with events, it's like, oh, but

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they're meant to start eating at 630.

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It's like they're not going to start eating at 630.

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Always remember, like always try to have the mentality it's always going to get delayed.

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Construction is always going to get delayed at least three months.

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Yeah, yeah, just have that in mind.

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Don't you're an idiot if you're like, oh, well, the plan is that construction finishes

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in February.

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So we're going to open in March.

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Don't exactly don't do that.

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I mean, this hotel opening I participated in Latin America and the construction workers

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were taking naps in the imported mattresses for the rooms.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's the same, you know, like when I was like, I think openings are

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really fun because also, of course, they're very stressful, but they're also full of opportunity

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because you can shape everything.

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Right.

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So for example, now we're like five months ago when I came into my current kitchen, everything

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was a mess, but everything was kind of there.

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And you look at the kitchen, you're like, man, this is weirdly designed.

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There's like there's like no oven on the social side, but there's an oven on the garden like

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and like a warming drawer and stuff that would have been way better on the other side.

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Like these sorts of things, you know, and actually kitchen planning and kitchen organization

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is a very interesting skill that also I feel like very lucky that I've been part of a couple

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of openings, because if you have to do it the first time, you never did it.

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There's lots of things to think about that you maybe didn't think about it, about, you

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know, efficiency of movement.

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It's like that scene where Kami is sort of like, he draws the plan and which is something

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that I've done also, but he's like, he moves from station to station.

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He's like, yeah, the dish has to be able to get finished in like, I don't know, like 10

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seconds or something like that.

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And it's kind of ridiculous, like no dish gets to finish in 10 seconds.

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Like that's ridiculous.

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But these sort of plans and this kind of like ergonomic, organic movement inside of a space,

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that's super crucial.

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That's super interesting.

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I really hated that I've been in some processes where I as a chef or the chef who was a chef

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was not involved in the design process.

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And I think that that's like a terrible mistake.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Like suddenly the owner took the decisions with the architect and then the chef, he can

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just walk in and work there for the next years and then, you know, figure out what we thought

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for him, you know.

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It is such a huge mistake in general.

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Like one of my old mentors and a friend of mine that you also know, Michael Hupfle, he

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once said the best, like the best managers or chefs because they understand everything,

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like all the stuff.

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And it's kind of like if you as a business owner, you don't involve, you don't have a

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good chef, a good head chef who knows what's going on, who knows the processes and you

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don't trust, you don't involve them in the process.

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You don't trust this person with their professional insight.

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It's gonna, there's gonna be a lot of mistakes that are gonna impede your day to day business.

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Like an example I can think of, Dos Palillos in Berlin.

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This was a hotel, a restaurant at Casa Camper.

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And I think it had like some kind of architecture prize, the way they build the restaurant.

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But for me, they did two very stupid mistakes.

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First of all, like they did this walls that were like metal, like, you know, kitchen metal

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and you have to polish them twice a day.

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And the floors of the kitchen were all white, you know, like, and I mean, like, it's not

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that you don't have to clean, it's that you don't want it to look dirty if just like a

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dot falls into the ground and you have to clean it right away.

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And that's something like for sure, no chef decided.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Because they'd be like, well, what the fuck, you know, it's like, you know, I mean, when

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I came back to Berlin, I was involved in an opening also, there were so many things and

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it's kind of like, and then I look at the kitchen, it's already half built.

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And I'm like, what's, what grip do the floor does the floor material have?

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And they're like, grip?

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It's just tiles.

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And I'm like, are you fucking retarded?

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Like, how, like, how is that on something that you think of, you know, as I use like

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small things, they're like, Oh, yeah, sure.

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Yeah, there's like liquids and fats that can fall on the floor.

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And it's like super dangerous and blah.

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And it's like, man, seriously, yeah, please jail for you.

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No, honestly, it's fucking life threatening these sorts of decisions.

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Because also, like people don't understand, I had a very serious conversation, we're getting

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a little bit of topic here, but I had a very serious conversation with a, with a kitchen

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porter who's a little bit older, and he walked behind me a few times.

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I was like, Hey, if you walk behind me to say behind, right, please, or like something,

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you know, and he's like, yes, yes, yes, I know.

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And he did it again and again.

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And I stopped him again.

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I said, Hey, look, please walk.

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What do you say when you walk behind me to say something, everybody?

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Yeah, I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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And then the next time I stopped and I was like, okay, listen to me, you don't start

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saying something.

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I'm going to throw you out of this fucking kitchen because you are threatening the safety

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of everybody.

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Like, it's such a small thing, but it's like fucking serious.

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It's not a gimmick.

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It's not a fucking joke.

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Somebody who turns around with a hot pan of water and or oil or oil or a knife or whatever

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and fucking slammed it in your face.

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Like whose ass is on the line?

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Mine.

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You know, because I'm responsible for all of this shit.

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And you either start doing it or you can pack your shit and go.

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And he was like, Oh, I'm really sorry.

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And he started doing it.

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But like people don't understand this, that like a kitchen is actually like a dangerous

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environment.

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You have to take it seriously.

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Anyway, back to the bear.

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Well, also restaurant openings.

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I also worked at this place where and that's also like an interesting part of the series

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where they send people to train in different places like to culinary schools or the other

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restaurants.

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I work in this place where they said like the whole team abroad to the stashes and just

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5% came back.

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So imagine the level of asshole you have to be to get repaid like that for such an action.

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Man, that happened to me one time.

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Like when I was working in Ryugin, we had this guy and he when you were doing when you

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were staging in Ryugin back in the day, they would pay for you to go to Ryugin Tokyo, Ryugin

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Taipei and Ryugin Hong Kong.

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I think it was no.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that three Ryugins.

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And you as a stash would get paid to fucking fly to Taipei to Hong Kong, have accommodation

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there and work in the in the restaurants.

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Amazing, right?

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And this guy, he came to like Tokyo first and and he was kind of working and he was

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kind of like meh.

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And then he they flew him to Hong Kong and he just disappeared.

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I can just started working and living in Hong Kong and basically like a flight all expenses

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paid, you know, like super shitty.

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Yeah, I felt that that also happens on cruise ships.

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They really take care that you have like a like a physical address where you live so

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you don't run away, you know, like you just get somewhere in the world and never come

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back.

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So but yeah, like what's the name?

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Tina?

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Is it?

343
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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I see.

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And she sent the CUNY high school.

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Marcus is sent here where we are right now to Copenhagen and he eats the chicken sandwich

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we had yesterday at Poulet.

348
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Yeah, he does.

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How was it?

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You liked it?

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It was a decent chicken sandwich.

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It wasn't the best chicken sandwich I had in my life, but it was delicious.

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I liked that it was like very nice and like a nice level of spice.

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She goes very crispy.

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I like the chicken sandwich.

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The the tofu for me, it was not out of the sun.

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It was nice.

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Just nice.

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It could have easily been a lot better.

360
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Yeah, just a few seasoning.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I mean, is this something that if I'd lived here, I'd get every now and again, like from

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walking by, I'm like, hey, you want to go, you want to grab a chicken sandwich?

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But yeah, it was it was okay.

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Yeah, like I really like that training that Marcus gets here in Copenhagen that he starts

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seeing like really precision cooking with this mentor he has like this pastry that used

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to work with Karmie.

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Yes.

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You know what I liked about that episode is that like, you know, they meet Karmie, right?

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And Karmie comes from this environment.

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He has a certain mentality and Karmie comes into a very chaotic environment and he is

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the alien there.

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Right.

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So they don't really pick up on this, but once they step out of this environment and

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they go into an environment where they're the alien with their lack of this attitude,

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he starts to understand it.

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You know, he starts to be like, oh, hold on.

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Yeah.

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And then he comes back and the same thing happens then later with Richie that he comes

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back and then they're like, I understand them.

381
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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So in between there is this, which is one of the best episodes of the season, the fucked

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up family episode.

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Oh my God.

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That was, that was rough to watch.

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The mother is so crazy.

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It's so bananas.

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Jesus Christ.

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I have to think about that sometimes with such a heart wrenching moment with her daughter

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trying not to say, are you okay?

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The whole night and you can, and when she finally does it, it's like a, it's like a

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compulsion.

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Like she can't help herself because it's her way of kind of relating to her mother.

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And everybody's like, oh no, she didn't.

397
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Exactly.

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But I feel so bad for the daughter because you can see that it's like this genuine, you

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know?

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Yeah.

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But also this way of coping with it and trying to sort of like have like a supportive role

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for her mother because of like this like weird harshness between them.

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Like, I don't know.

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That's how I interpreted it anyway, but still her not being able to help herself saying

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that even though she knows what effect it will have, which is the mother completely

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freaking out.

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It's like the worst Christmas I've ever seen in my life, man.

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It's like everything I don't want to see in a Christmas dinner.

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You know, I got my mom to start watching the bear and we watched the first couple of episodes

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and then she like, after I left, like when I was visiting her, she like kept sending

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me messages about the show.

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She was like, Jesus Christ.

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And then she wrote me about the Christmas episode.

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She was like, I could not watch it.

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I had to turn it off because it's so stressful.

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It's stressful.

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All the episodes are good.

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I've heard a lot of people say to me, people from the hospitality industry, they told me

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they can't watch the bear because they get anxious.

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You know, like it's not like something fun for them.

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It's like post-traumatic disorder.

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Like, yeah.

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But if that's, I would say that if that's the case, like I get it, but I feel like that

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speaks of some unresolved issues that maybe people should look at because you need to

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be able to detach from this sort of shit.

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Then if you, if you can't watch it, it's like, it's like, maybe do you still have some trauma

427
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kicking around, you know?

428
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I really like how they bridge that episode where, what's the name of the brother?

429
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Mikey.

430
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Yeah.

431
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Yeah.

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Where he, he throws the fork, this whole fork situation.

433
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Uh, Richie, you mean?

434
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No, no, no.

435
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Like, um, Karmic's brother.

436
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Yeah.

437
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Uh, Mikey.

438
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Yeah.

439
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Where he throws this fork to this asshole that is messing with him.

440
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Did you think he was the asshole?

441
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Do you think the brother was the asshole?

442
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I think that that guy was the asshole.

443
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Really?

444
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Because I was like, I was kind of like, I kind of got the stepdad because Mikey was

445
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being that was a stepdad.

446
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Yeah.

447
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Because Mikey was a fucking asshole.

448
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Like the whole night.

449
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Yeah.

450
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Also, also.

451
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Yeah.

452
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All of them were being so horrible.

453
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Yeah.

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But I mean, like, you know, you're telling a story and somebody interrupts and say, are

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you already told that story more than once?

456
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You're a fucking idiot, man.

457
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Like, you know, like shut the fuck up.

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It's Christmas.

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Let him finish his story.

460
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The thing is that like Mikey already like two or three times said like a shit thing

461
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to him.

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So then it was like his turn and then Mikey can't take it.

463
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You know, he's like, he keeps making like a joke and blah.

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And then suddenly it's his time to tell a story.

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He gets interrupted, he gets all upset.

466
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And the dad is like, no, you know what?

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Fuck you.

468
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And I got it.

469
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And then it's like, yeah, yeah, all of them were.

470
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I really like that.

471
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That's super funny.

472
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Like this guy that is who, who's that?

473
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Like he's like, I don't know.

474
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He's a, uh, he's not from the family.

475
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He's somebody's boyfriend or fiance.

476
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Uh, the posh one with the, he's the boyfriend from his sister.

477
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Exactly.

478
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That is like, okay.

479
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Now you say the blessing.

480
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He's like, we are very thankful that we're here.

481
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Yeah.

482
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He's like full of Labrador energy.

483
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Yeah.

484
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I really like how they bridge this forks episode with the next episode.

485
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That was my favorite episode.

486
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A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

487
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I mean, um, with Richie arriving at the restaurant, which I guess it was supposed to be like 11

488
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Madison park.

489
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No, was it?

490
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:38,360
No, I really, like I thought maybe the kitchen, but I, it felt like a linear to me somehow.

491
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Yeah.

492
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And there was also this, you know, the head chef from next somewhere in the background.

493
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

494
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,440
True.

495
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,440
And that's a fictional chef.

496
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,440
This Terry.

497
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:49,440
Yeah, yeah, of course.

498
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,440
Of course.

499
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:51,440
I mean, they're all fictional.

500
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,440
Not all.

501
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,240
I mean, they're all blue and, uh, and stuff.

502
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,240
Yeah.

503
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,640
But you know, like he arrives there and he has to polish forks and he doesn't get it.

504
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,120
And he's like, Bob, and he's doing a really shit job.

505
00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,720
And then one of the guys is sort of like, he's like, yeah, you just gotta be polishing

506
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,360
forks for a week here, you know?

507
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:05,360
And he gets really pissed off.

508
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:09,360
He just wants to, he thinks that Kami sent him there to get rid of him.

509
00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,840
And then this guy, he's not polishing a fork correctly.

510
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,520
Like he's not doing it properly.

511
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,160
This guy takes him out and he's like, man, like, what the fuck?

512
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,160
Do you not want to be here?

513
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,440
Like, and he's like, wow, I'm polishing forks.

514
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,440
What the fuck?

515
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,440
And he's like, no, you don't get it.

516
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,120
This is part of like a whole thing.

517
00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:26,800
This is a small aspect of this whole thing that we all want to be great.

518
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,320
And that means that we need great forks, which means we need them to be clean and polished.

519
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,480
And the guy's like, no, I, I love that.

520
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,320
It was sort of like, Hey, look, don't, don't bullshit me.

521
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,200
I know how hard it is to find good stuff.

522
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,040
And he's like, we don't have that problem.

523
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,260
We don't have that problem here.

524
00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:41,760
People are lining up to work here.

525
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,480
And he's like, Oh, you really zip this cool later.

526
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:44,600
And he's like, yes, I do.

527
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:45,720
I fucking love it here.

528
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,720
I love being here.

529
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:47,720
I love working here.

530
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:48,720
I love seeing the people come here.

531
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:49,720
I love seeing their face.

532
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:55,240
And that's like amazing, like hospitality is like this, like obsessed mindset of just

533
00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:01,280
striving for excellence and how Richie bit by bit sees these little glimpses of what

534
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:07,000
makes this job special, you know, and it catches onto him and he gets completely transformed.

535
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,280
He gets completely transformed.

536
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,840
And then he, and then he wants to involve himself.

537
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,560
He sees it's like infectious and it is infectious.

538
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,040
And then he's like, can I please do this?

539
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,040
And they're like, okay, you do it.

540
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,480
And he does it and he fucking sees it.

541
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,480
He gets it.

542
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:18,480
He enjoys it.

543
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,360
And then he's like, I'm in a rush and the scene where he then drives home listening

544
00:24:22,360 --> 00:24:25,200
to Taylor Swift is so beautiful.

545
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,720
I had to cry when I watched that.

546
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,480
It was so nice, you know, because it's this spark that lit the fire that was dead inside

547
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:32,960
of him for such a long time.

548
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:33,960
Yeah.

549
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,840
And he was looking for something for some meaning.

550
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,080
And this episode reminded me a lot of two books from Charlie Trotter's Lessons in Excellence

551
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,360
and Lessons in Service.

552
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:48,440
For me, those are like the best books on service or excellence in restaurants that I have ever

553
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:49,440
read.

554
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,280
And like philosophical books about these kind of things.

555
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,800
And I see these things expressed over and over again across this episode.

556
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:56,800
Yeah.

557
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,800
What about the last episode?

558
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:03,160
Yeah, I thought honestly, like when I watched it the first time, it kind of hit me hard

559
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:09,440
because it's like so many things happen in a way that are like, I could relate in a way,

560
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:15,160
you know, to like what was happening because I also have been where you find a chef smoking

561
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,160
crack in the backyard.

562
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,160
Yeah, constantly.

563
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,080
No, honestly, I mean, it's not long ago that I've had that experience, honestly.

564
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,760
And I fired that person also straight away.

565
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,760
It's relatively common, actually.

566
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,760
Yeah.

567
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:32,760
But I have, you know, been in a situation where I feel like I have sacrificed something

568
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:38,560
for the profession, you know, and for this drive and obsession that you have of striving

569
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,600
for something.

570
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,240
You mean that moment with Carmy's, he retires having a relationship just to put everything

571
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,920
for the fuck everything.

572
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,920
I just want this.

573
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:54,520
And he said like, when he says, he's sort of like, nothing is worth me feeling like

574
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,440
this right now that I failed, you know, in this thing.

575
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,960
And I really felt that.

576
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:01,400
I really felt that.

577
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,240
Feeling failure is like the worst feeling in our restaurant.

578
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,920
And you know, like how many times I still have that sometimes where I like I walk home

579
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,880
and I had a shit service and I can't switch off.

580
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,320
And I it's just it's like this wave of depression that crushes over you because of like if you

581
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,840
take your your job really seriously and what you do and the quality and you identify with

582
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,520
it, you kind of make yourself worth dependent on what it is that you're producing and the

583
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,880
standard that you're doing it that day.

584
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,120
And I've had that very recently that I walked home and like I had a really shit service.

585
00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,240
It was shit in a lot in a lot of levels.

586
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,420
I wasn't happy with the quality of the food.

587
00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:42,640
And no matter how hard we tried, we weren't able to get back on point.

588
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,240
And you feel horrible, horrible.

589
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:51,080
And and also that Marcus's mother dies, you know, while he's there, which is also, you

590
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:57,120
know, just a showcase of he's there pushing and other things are staying on the line,

591
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,200
you know, and you're missing out on things.

592
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,120
I really liked this new Richie on that episode.

593
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,760
Yeah, the way he deals with everything.

594
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Yeah.

595
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:07,760
But that was heavy.

596
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,760
That was really, really heavy.

597
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,200
A good, good season overall.

598
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,200
Yeah, good ending.

599
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,800
Setting the tone for the next season.

600
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,280
Have you watched it yet?

601
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,520
Two episodes so far.

602
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:16,520
All right.

603
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Yeah, I watched the we went yesterday to have dinner at Norma and I watched the first episode

604
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:24,280
and Norma comes in and I was I just watched three episodes in a row in the airport and

605
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,280
fly.

606
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,280
And so I was really into it.

607
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,480
And suddenly, no, I mean, they're there tonight.

608
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,000
Yeah, exciting.

609
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:49,440
That's it for this week's episode of potluck food talks.

