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Thank you for listening to this message from

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Lifehouse Church. Good morning, good morning.

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Listen, turn to somebody, give them a high five.

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Tell them good to see you at Lifehouse. High

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fives all around the house. Amen. It's good to

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have you. Hey, you sang great this morning. I

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could hear your voices coming and coming forth

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from the back. And I love that. Love hearing

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the praise and the worship going up to the Lord.

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And I got to tell you, we got to celebrate just

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for a second. I don't know if you noticed over

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here. That's a very exciting tank over there.

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Those green balls represent invitations of people

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coming to church. But this one's even more exciting

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because this is souls that got saved this week.

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Amen. Two in a tank. Come on, give them glory.

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Heaven celebrate. We should celebrate with them.

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Amen. We were rejoicing before. We're going to

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rejoice during and after. That's really what

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this is all about. It's about reaching people

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for Jesus and people rising up in Christ as believers

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and followers of Christ. But I want to continue

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on with this message series called Salty. Say

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salty. Salty. You want to have it in your spirit.

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Stephen Covey said this. He's the author of Seven

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Habits. Let me say that again. Most people don't

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listen with the intent to understand. Most people

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listen with the intent to reply. We will not

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effectively lead those who are far from God to

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Christ unless we are listening. to understand

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and not just simply reply to them, right? If

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we're not listening to understand who they are

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and what they're about, and we're just there

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to get ready for the next reply that we have.

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Proverbs 2 .2 says this, making your ear attentive

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to wisdom and inclining your heart to understanding,

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right? Yes, if you call out for the insight and

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raise your voice for understanding. In conversation,

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when you're talking with someone, it's about

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hearing and understanding. It's about listening

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with the primary intent of understanding what

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the other person is saying. I need to understand

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what you're saying, right? And you need to understand

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what I'm saying. I need to know where you're

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coming from, even if we don't agree. We need

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to know where we're coming from. We need to discern

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the motive, right? And the thoughts and what

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you're really trying to convey. And once I understand

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what you're saying, then it's a good time to

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reply. It really is. Turn to the person sitting

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beside you. Tell them, I'm trying to understand

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you. I'm trying to understand you. Just tell

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them, I'm trying to, right? My heart is. I'm

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trying to understand you. I have to learn to

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listen to understand the person that's sitting

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beside me, the person that I'm talking to, the

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person that I'm walking with and in a conversation

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with. And if I don't listen with that intent

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of trying to understand, it's going to hinder

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the effectiveness of sharing the... gospel with

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someone. I'm not going to get a great invite

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with somebody if I'm not listening to somebody

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enough to understand him. It'll hinder my effectiveness

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when I speak with somebody one -on -one, face

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-to -face. It'll cause me just to shoot from

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the hip with an answer. Amen? How many of you

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ever just shoot from the hip with an answer?

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You're just ready, right? You're just ready to

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go when somebody says something, right? I'll

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just fire something back just to make sure I

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stay in the conversation. And it's not until

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I listen with the intent of understanding that

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I really start to understand what it is to be

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salt and light for Jesus. What it is to really

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come forward and give that other person something

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to hear, something worth listening to, and honestly

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to understand where they're coming from. And

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I'm going to be honest with you, this message

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is both convincing, and convicting for me personally,

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because I'm a person who can shoot back pretty

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quick. I can get in a conversation with somebody,

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and I can fire back in a heartbeat. How many

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are with me out there? How many are like, you

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got no problem in a conversation? All right,

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about eight of you. Are the rest, come on, how

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many? It's true, right? There we go. That's what

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I thought. Thank you for being honest, finally.

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Okay, you're quick to give an answer. You're

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ready with a reply, right? You can just fire

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right off. And that's not everybody, but some

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of us just engage in a quick heartbeat. And before

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we understand, before we fully listen, before

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we get what's taking place, right, we're just

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firing back. And if I'm gonna be salty for Jesus,

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if I'm really gonna shine bright, right, taste

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flavorful for him, I got to understand the person

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I'm listening to. I got to understand where they're

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coming from. I need to be salty. Now, listen,

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I want to throw this acrostic up there. That's

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what this message series is based on. If you

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guys would put that up on the screen, salty,

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right? First week we preached and talked and

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walked through it together. It was start a conversation.

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Say start a conversation. Right. Second week

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was ask a question. Ask a question. Say it. Ask

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a question. Now it's listen. And not just listen,

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but listen to understand and not to simply reply.

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It's about understanding you so I can be genuine

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salt in your life. Our theme scripture has been

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Matthew 5 .13. You are the salt of the earth.

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But if the salt has lost its taste, how shall

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its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good

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for anything except to be thrown out and trampled

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under people's feet. You are the light of the

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world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden,

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nor do people light a lamp and put it under a

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basket but on a lampstand. And it gives light

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to who are in a house. In the same way, let your

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light shine before others that they might see

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your good deeds, right, and give glory to your

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Father who is in heaven. We listen to understand

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so we can reply well and so people can look past

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us and see him. Listen to understand and not

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just reply. Proverbs 10, 18, 15 says, an intelligent

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heart. Now I know I'm looking out amongst you,

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you look like an intelligent bunch, all right?

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An intelligent heart acquires knowledge. And

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the ear of the wise seeks knowledge. James 1

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.19 says this. Know this, my beloved brothers.

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Let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak,

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and slow to anger. James 1 .19 confirms something

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that I've heard since I was growing up as a kid.

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I've heard it as an adult, right? And I don't

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know if you've heard this phrase before or not,

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but probably you have somewhere along the way.

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The good Lord gave you two ears and one mouth

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for a reason. Amen? How many of you ever heard

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that before? The rest of you write it down, okay?

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The Lord gave you two ears and one mouth for

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a reason. Check it out with the person next to

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you. Check it out, go ahead right now. They got

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two ears and one mouth, I'm pretty sure, all

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right? If not, don't say anything, right? If

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they only got one ear, whatever. But two ears,

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one mouth. You gotta do the math when you're

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thinking about listening to somebody else, all

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right? You gotta do the math. Maybe we should

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be listening twice as much, right, as we're speaking.

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Maybe we should take twice as long in the listening

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process as we are in the speaking process. Maybe

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I need to use both sides of my head, my left

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brain and my right brain, to engage when I'm

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in the listening process with somebody else.

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Before something spills out of my mouth, before

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I just engage and regurgitate whatever idea or

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thought pops into my head, I need to listen so

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closely to you that I can actually hear your

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heartbeat. How many of us are listening pretty

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close, right? I need to listen so close to you

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that I can hear your heartbeat. I can hear what

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you're saying. Almost a spiritual stethoscope

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of sorts. What if I was listening so close that

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I could hear what's really pumping through your

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veins? What's really pumping and coursing through

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your life? What if I listened like that? What

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if I listened so much that it was similar going

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to the doctors? How many of you have been to

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the doctor in the last week or two? Raise your

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hand if you have. All right, don't be ashamed.

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It's okay, we all go. All right, when you go

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to the doctors, right, there's a listening process

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that takes place. And anytime I've gone to the

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doctors for an exam, It's kind of the same, right?

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I'll go in, I check in. I always go to the registration.

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Now I'm saying, I'm Mr. Penrod. I'm here for

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an appointment, right? You're here 250. They're

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like, okay, great. Have a seat. And then always,

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almost typically always, there's a nice nurse,

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right? Almost a nice looking nurse there for

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a second. That was weird, honey. That was a joke.

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I don't even know what that was. A nice nurse

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comes out, right? Takes you back to a room. And

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they do the same things, right? They slide the

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cuff on you. They're checking your blood pressure,

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right? They take it. They stick a thermometer

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in your mouth, tell you to stick it under your

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tongue. They take all your vitals. They ask you

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a couple questions. And then they take you into

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the room where the doctor's going to examine

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you. They set you up on that rectangle table

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that always has the crunchy paper. I don't know

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why it's crunchy, right? It's always crunchy.

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You set you up on that rectangle table. And they

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say, the doctor's going to be right with you

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in a few minutes. They close the door. 30 to

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45 minutes later, when they should be checking

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your blood pressure, the doctor comes in. 30,

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40 minutes later, after you played with all the

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gadgets that are in that room, how many of you

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have taken the colon or the heart apart, right?

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The plastic one that's laying on the countertop.

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See what it is. Nobody else. I do that. All right.

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You know, you get up and read every poster that's

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there. You're there, right? And finally, the

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doctor will do a little knock on the door. The

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doctor walks in, and they say, well, hi, I'm

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Dr. So -and -so, right? It's kind of the routine

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they do. And they begin, you know, hi, Mr. Penrod,

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I'm Dr. So -and -so. and so, and they begin to

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ask questions. They begin to say, you know, why

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are you here today, Mr. Penrod? And you start

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to unfold, right? What's bothering you today?

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What seems to be the issue? And the doctor asks

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a few questions and they're standing there usually

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with a pad, an iPad or a marker or something,

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right? Pen and paper. And they start writing

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things out. They stop and they begin to listen.

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They ask the question, they begin to listen,

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and as you begin to unfold, what's going on in

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your life? What's the difficulty, right? What's

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the frustration? What's the problem that you

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currently have at the moment, right? They want

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to understand your symptoms. They want to understand

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your pain. They want to understand what the struggle

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is in your life, and they listen. They listen

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intently. What if your next meeting with someone,

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look something like that. And they even go a

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step further than that. Usually at the end of

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the question, they say, you know what, we need

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to check your lungs and we need to check your

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heart. And they come up close and they put in

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a stethoscope and they tell you to breathe in

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and they listen. And you breathe out. And they

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listen for your heartbeat. Before I try to fix

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somebody's issues, before I start spewing something

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out of my mouth that might be preconceived or

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an idea or something I heard in a reach somebody

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for Jesus seminar somewhere, right? I need to

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hear what's going on. I need to hear what their

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heartbeat is. What if I listened to the point

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where I could hear their heartbeat? What if I

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knew what they loved and what they hated? What

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if I understood the pain that they've been walking

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through, the struggle that they're in? What if

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I knew what they believed and what they didn't

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believe before I even started into a conversation

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with them? My knowledge needs to increase in

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the listening. It really does. Proverbs 18, 15

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said it, an intelligent heart acquires knowledge.

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And that happens in the listen. Listen to understand,

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not just reply, right? Listen for what's beating

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underneath the surface. I mean, the first couple

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of minutes in a conversation is rarely what's

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happening under the surface, right? We all got

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it down. Hey, how you doing? Good. What's going

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on today? I'm awesome. You know, how about the

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weather? right? Or whatever's latest in sports,

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whatever's happening in the news. But he got

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to get beyond that. What's the heartbeat? What's

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the heartbeat of the person sitting beside you

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right now? If you had time to listen to what

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they have, right? I remember years ago, I was

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a youth pastor. This was many years ago when

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I was youth pastoring. And it was one of the

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first time full -time positions I got. It was

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actually the first full -time position I had

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as a youth pastor. I had been a part -time many,

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many years and got this opportunity to be a full

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-time youth pastor. And I remember going to this

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church and it was a different culture than where

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I came from. And I remember doing things just

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like I always did where I came from. And I would

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preach and I would teach. And I remember doing

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this for months. And these young people, it was

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kind of like. Nothing, right? I'd be preaching,

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teaching my heart out. All those kinds of things

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are like just nothing. Seemed like nothing was

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changing with these kids. Nothing was happening.

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And I remember getting so frustrated that one

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day I decided, you know what? I'm coming into

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youth group. I'm not preaching. I'm not teaching.

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We're just gonna sit down. I got a bunch of beanbags

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out. We sat down and I just started asking questions.

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For a couple of weeks, I asked questions. I just

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left them talk. I wanted to hear where they were.

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And I was shocked. These were church kids. I

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was shocked what they believed. I was shocked

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how they thought about things. I was shocked.

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But you know what happened? I find out where

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they were. I find out who they were, what their

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heartbeat was, what they believed and didn't

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believe. You got to stop it. Good listening means

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you stop and you hear their heartbeat. It's true.

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If you look up, listen. If you look that word

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up, it actually comes from two Anglo -Saxon words.

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One means hearing, right? Which is kind of a

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synonym. And the other means to wait in suspense.

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That's what it means. Good listening means that

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I wait in suspense as I listen to you, right?

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It's a posture thing. When I'm coming to get

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into a conversation with you, I listen with great

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suspense. Good listening means I wait. I can't

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hardly wait to hear what you have to say. I'm

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suspenseful about what's going to come out of

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your mouth next, right? There's an air of excitement

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in the conversation. Like, what are you going

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to bring me? What are you going to throw at me?

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There's an anticipation that takes place that

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you're going to about to say something and it's

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important. And I want to hear what you have to

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say. It's fully engaged. It's fully attentive.

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It's zeroed in on. you and what you're saying.

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And so much so that they should actually notice

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that. Amen? It's true. They should notice it.

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You know, it's eye -to -eye engaged conversation.

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It's not somebody on their phone. Did you ever

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talk to somebody and they're on their phone?

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Uh -huh. Uh -huh. That happen this morning to

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anybody? Right? It's half -heartedly nodding

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at somebody, and that's not engaged. That's not

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listening to somebody with anticipation. Or they're

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looking at the sky, or they're looking down at

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the ground while they're talking with you, right?

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Arms crossed. They're talking to somebody with

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their arms crossed, and you're in conversation

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with them, and you're like, it's kind of like

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back off, just go away, right? Can you hurry

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up and get it done? Right? Not that kind of conversation.

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It's suspense. You know, when I thought about

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this, I thought about talking to a teenager.

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If you've ever had teenagers in your house and

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you have a conversation with them, yeah, somebody's

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raising their hands already back. They're like,

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amen, right? You ever see a teenager do that?

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They're rolling their eyes while you're talking

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to them. They grab their arm. How many of you

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know as a parent, the spirit of slap comes on

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you right about that moment? You don't really

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do it. You wonder what it would feel like if

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you would, right? You don't really do it, but

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the spirit of slap comes all over you. All right,

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come on. It's true. We should come into conversations,

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though, with suspense. We should come in wanting

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to know what they're thinking and what their

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heart is. Now, I need to clarify something here.

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Just because you're listening to somebody with

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great suspense and you're looking them eye to

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eye does not mean that you agree with them. All

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right? I need to clarify that. I can be fully

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engaged in a conversation. I can be locked on

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listening to the other person intently, but that

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does not mean that I agree with what they're

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saying. Sooner or later in a conversation, I'm

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gonna respond. Sooner or later, I'm gonna get

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the opportunity to move them to Jesus, to move

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them to the truth, to move them to what God's

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word says. And there's a chance I may disagree

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with them. Right? I can listen suspensibly. And

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listen, you never, ever compromise the word of

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God. You never, ever compromise the truth when

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you're in a conversation. You can listen. You

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can be engaged. But when it's your turn to speak,

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you start moving them towards Christ. You start

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moving them towards the truth. You've got to

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do that in a conversation. How many of you think

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silence can be interpreted as acceptance? Yeah,

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you get in a conversation. Matter of fact, you

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listen intently, you listen suspensively, but

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if you listen and you don't say anything that's

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contrary to something that you know is a lie,

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you know something that's not the truth, sometimes

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silence, and most of the time, silence can be

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interpreted as acceptance, agreement even, right?

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When we come into the conversation, we dive in.

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We listen to what they're saying. We're looking

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for their heartbeat. We want to hear where they

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are, but that doesn't mean we don't respond.

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We do it respectfully, but we do it boldly, right?

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We come with the truth. And I'm here to tell

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you, when we come. Come with a heart. Think along

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those lines. When I come into the next conversation,

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I want to hear their heartbeat. If you've got

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to, think about a spiritual stethoscope hanging

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on you. I want to hear what they've got to say.

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I'm going to engage. I'm going to walk on. And

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you might say, well, why is this so important?

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Especially if you're talking to somebody that

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you know isn't speaking truth. Especially if

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you're talking to somebody that you know you're

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not going to agree with. Why in the world is

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this so important to engage this way? Why is

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this so important to being salty, right? And

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here's the answer to that. Because if I don't

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know what street they are on, how am I ever going

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to get them to the right street? If I don't know

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what street they are on, how am I ever going

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to get them to Jesus Street, right? I have to

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know where they're at before I can ever give

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them direction to get where they need to go.

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I don't know if you've ever had somebody call

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you and ask for directions to your house, right?

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You ever tell somebody to come over to your house

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and they get lost getting there? You know, they're

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on the way over. They get lost. They're 20 minutes

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late. The phone rings, and you're like, hello?

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And they're like, well, I'm trying to get to

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your house, but I'm lost. What's the first thing

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you say to them? Thank you. Where are you, right?

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Where are you? And they're like, I don't know.

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That's why I'm lost. What street sign do you

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see? I'm on A Street. I'm on C, right? Or I don't

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see a street. Well, what landmark do you see?

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Do you see a tall building or are you in a grassy

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field? What do you see around you, right? What's

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there? And you're like, whoa, it's just grassy.

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Do you see a brown house or a white house? Do

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you see a green house or a red house? You start

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asking questions. You start trying. You start

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the conversation. You start asking questions.

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Where are you? Because I can't get you to my

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street if I don't know what street you're on,

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right? Can't do it. It's hard to get someone

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to Jesus Street if you don't even know what street

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they're parked on, if you don't even know where

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they are, right? You got to listen to understand.

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We got to, if I'm going to understand where you

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are and I want to help you get somewhere different,

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I got to know where you're at. It's beneficial

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to understand where they are. It's beneficial

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to know what landmarks they've seen in their

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life. It's beneficial to know, right, the history

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with the person. It's beneficial. We need a starting

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point. We need to know where they at. If you're

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going to be GPS for Jesus, I'm going to get a

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t -shirt made like that, right? If you're going

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to be GPS for Jesus, you've got to know what

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street they're on. Because they could be on any

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number of streets. They really could. As a matter

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of fact, they currently, it could be that right

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now they're driving up Confusion Street and they

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don't really know what they believe. They don't

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really understand. They've not really thought

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about spiritual things. Or it could be that they

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put it in reverse and they backed into an alley

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called Bitterness, which is a very different

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direction to get somebody out, right? They could

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have backed into Bitterness. They could be cruising

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down a street called Indifference. They could

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be flying up a road of seeking of some kind.

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They could be stuck in traffic on a street called

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Angry. How many know that happens when you're

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stuck in traffic, right? They could be stuck

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in anger. They might be broke down alongside

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of the road. Broken. Broken. They could be creeping

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along with good intentions. They could be swerving

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all over the place, right, with evil intent in

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their heart. You've got to find out where they

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are. You gotta understand who you're talking

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to. You're never gonna get them to Jesus Street

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if you don't even know where they're at. Amen?

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I need to suspensively listen. I need to know

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where they are. I remember a conversation I got

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into with a young man and... Him and I, I knew

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right off the bat, as soon as we started the

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conversation, that him and I were in two different

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camps, right? I knew he wasn't in the same place.

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He wasn't gonna say the same things. I was thinking

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and vice versa. But I remember having this conversation

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with this young man and I came into the conversation

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knowing that we were gonna be in different places.

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I knew that just going into the conversation.

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So we did the pleasantries and hey, how you doing?

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And then I remember asking him a question, something

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along the lines of, what do you believe about

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God? You know, what do you believe about God?

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Who do you believe God is? And I asked one or

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two probing questions like that, and then I just

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got quiet. And I listened for 45 minutes as this

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young man began to unload what he believed about

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God. And I can tell you, I learned a whole bunch

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of things about that young man as he unfolded

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what he believed, why he believed. I remember

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hearing the pain in his voice from his past.

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in his history, in his young life. I remember

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hearing that pain. I remember how he began to

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talk about how he had pulled all these ideas

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from different places and spaces of life to culminate

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together to build his own belief system of some

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kind. I remember hearing where he's at and how

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he felt passionately about certain things, right?

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And I began to understand the street that he

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was parked on because I took enough time just

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to listen, to hear his heart. And I'd love to

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tell you, you know, after he got done talking

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and I began to explain to him that I didn't believe

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what he believed in and I didn't agree with what

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he believed was truth. And we had this respectful

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conversation. I'd love to tell you, I got him

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on Jesus street that day. I didn't. He declined

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what I brought to him. He's like, I don't believe

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what you believe. And I said, I understand that.

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And we talked and we challenged one another.

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And we had that discussion. Did I get him to

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Jesus Street that day? No, I did not. But I think

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he's one step closer to Jesus Street. At least

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challenged his ideas. At least got to a place

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where I understood where he was coming from,

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right? I would have loved to say I got there.

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And I've seen him multiple times since then.

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And he'll always run up to me out in public.

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We had this great conversation. I remember we

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parted ways, friends and buddies, right? And

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anytime he sees me out in public, he runs up

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and greets me. And we talk together. And I pray

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that somebody speaks into his life. I pray that

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somebody gets him over to Jesus Street at some

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point. Maybe I'll get an opportunity again. I

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don't know. He's not here in this place, but

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I hope I get the opportunity. Our job is not

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to come preaching and hammering people. Our job,

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right, is to start a conversation. You need to

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start asking questions and then you need to listen.

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We need to listen so we can be salt and light.

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As the worship team comes, Proverbs 18, 13 says

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this, he who answers a matter before he hears

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it, it is folly and shame to him. You gotta listen.

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You gotta listen. Don't answer till you hear

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some heart. Don't answer till you get some answers,

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right? I'm gonna give you one last thing as the

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worship team comes. I'm gonna give you one last

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thing in this listening process. I want you to

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listen while you listen, all right? I know it

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sounds intense, right? Listen while you listen.

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How many of you have ever listened to something

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while you were listening to something else? Raise

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your hand if that's you. How many of you hate

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to listen to something? Two things at the same

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time, okay? Some of you are like, it's awful,

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right? Some of you that have kids and children

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in here, right? You have multiple children. You're

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like, you don't understand. That's my way of

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life, all right? I listen while I listen, while

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I listen, while I listen all the time, all right?

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And some of you are like, I hate listening to

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two things. I don't like the TV and the radio

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on at the same time. Drives me completely crazy,

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right? I go buggy out of my mind. I gotta go

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shut one of those things off just so one thing's

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playing, right? I got five grandchildren. You

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get five grandchildren, in one car, five iPads

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going at the same time, right? Jesus prays and

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worship music on the radio, and they're all talking

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at the same time. My brain goes blanko, brother,

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just white, just white noise. I don't even know

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what's going on. I don't even know what state

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I'm in, you know, when I'm driving. It's true.

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Right? And it's really not that kind of listening

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I'm talking about. But the reality is we all

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listen while we listen. God has given us, each

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one of us, the ability to listen while we listen.

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Every person, when you get into a conversation,

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and I know all of you have done this, how many

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sometimes you listen into yourself while you're

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in a conversation listening to somebody else,

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right? Somebody is on the other side talking

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to you and they're like, you know, man, they're

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pouring their heart out about something that's

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been really difficult in their life. And my mom

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rejected me. And, you know, and I just don't

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know what to do with all this. And you're nodding

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and you're thinking, you know, I really don't

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like this vanilla creamer that's in my coffee.

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You know, they're pouring out their childhood

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and the things that they went through. And you're

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like, you know, I think I'm going to try caramel.

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The next time in my coffee. And I think I saw

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that on sale at Giant, right? You know, I heard

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about a new stuff. This stuff, this vanilla stuff

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is kind of leaving an aftertaste. And they're

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pouring their heart out. They're like, you don't

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understand what I've been through. You know,

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you're having this conversation in your head,

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you know, do I have a coupon? I think I have

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a coupon. I'm going to stop at Giant on the way

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home after this conversation. We have conversations

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with ourselves during that. But if you get in

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a conversation where you're trying to get somebody

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to Jesus Street, If you're going to have a conversation

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inside of your head, turn yourself off and turn

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the Holy Spirit on. Amen? You can do it. God's

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given you the ability. But when you're in a conversation

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with someone else, don't be thinking about coffee

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creamer and don't even listen to yourself. You

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need to invite Holy Spirit into the conversation

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and say, Holy Spirit, I need you speaking in

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my mind right now as I'm talking with someone

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else. I need you guiding the conversation while

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I'm chatting it up with someone else. I need

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you in this conversation. I need you to speak

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to me while I'm listening. I need to listen while

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I'm listening so I know what to say when it does

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finally come time to speak, right? I need you

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to counsel me and give me wisdom. Can't tell

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you how many times I've been on the way to the

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hospital to meet somebody, and I'm praying the

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whole way there. I don't know why, you know,

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when we get in an intense situation like that

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where there's an emergency, we do that, right?

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But if it's everyday life, we're like, eh, I'm

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going to think about coffee creamer instead.

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But you get in that conversation that might be

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a Jesus conversation, start praying. Under your

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breath, right? Now, don't do it right in front

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of them because they're not going to know what's

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going on. I'm talking in your head, in your mind,

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right? Just Holy Spirit, I need you to help me

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right now. I need you to speak to me. I'm gonna

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ask you to stand this morning. Here's what I

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know about the Holy Spirit that is such a big

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help when you get in that conversation and you're

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listening while you're listening. The Holy Spirit

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knows a person's history. He knows their hurts.

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He knows their bias. He knows their fears. He

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knows their background. He knows their philosophy.

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He knows whether they have an evil heart or a

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good heart. He knows what that person needs to

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go from this street to the next that's one street

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closer to Jesus. He knows the right words that

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you need to speak that might open their heart

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up for the gospel, right? He might know what's

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blocking them from hearing the gospel. He might

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explain to you and help you walk them down a

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street where they feel God's conviction in their

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life for the first time. He knows all of that.

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All you know is what you've gleaned from the

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couple questions you asked. You've got to partner

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up. Right? You've got to partner up with the

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Holy Spirit. Let Him speak to you in the conversation.

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Start the conversation. Ask a question. Listen.

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Be there with great suspense. Gain knowledge

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in the conversation. Figure out what street they're

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on. Then get Holy Spirit with you. He is the

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Jesus GPS. He is, right? to this message from

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