We're going right to this thing. That's what we're going to do. I do have a question for you right off the top. It just hit me about 30 seconds ago. I was saying right before we press record on this podcast. This is about my weekend.
I'm going to do what I want to do. I know some people are all about Christmas decorations. It's never too early for Christmas decorations. Once we are past October 31st, it is time for Christmas.
My apologies to anybody who loves Thanksgiving. I love Thanksgiving too. If that is warm to your family and you come home out of the state and all that, I get all that. God bless. But it's Christmas time.
My question to you guys is, you put everything back to wrestling. Some people say putting up Christmas decorations this early is too soon.
What is something in wrestling right now that people are clamoring for? You look and say, you know what? That's too soon to happen.
Outside of the obvious of how Jay just automatically came with the bloodline. We're talking about outside of that, right?
You can use that one.
Okay, let's go with that one.
Jay to the bloodline.
Too soon. My go Cody Rose, turn the hill.
Ah, okay. That's a good one too. It's not time yet. I am excited for when it does happen. I think that's a good one.
Mine's actually would be outside of those two.
And we talked about it last week is the thought of splitting up Jade and Bianca right now.
Six months from now could be a completely different story in terms of storyline, but I'm starting to see a lot of whispers on social media around Jade versus Bianca.
And I think it's too soon right now. I got to share this too.
On YouTube shout out to all of our freaks that listen and watch.
My guy, Joe gave it up on the last episode.
Joe Davis.
Hey, Joe Davis.
Joe Davis said as much as I like J.
But to me, unfortunately, she's basically one of the many in WWE.
Besides, they're strong muscular women who are far better in ring performers in her like Bianca, Rhea Grace, Charlotte and Tiffany.
I've already accepted the fact that she's hit her ceiling.
As far as in ring goals, compared to those other five women I mentioned, this smiling and pandering baby face J has done her absolutely no favors and is very boring and stale because she's the black Charlotte in the sense of being a natural hockey hill.
Damn, Joe Davis came in hot on now one.
Can we unpack that there was like so many layers and what he said there.
First off, thank you for your comment.
That means you listen and you support the show. So thank you so much. I'm not going to say if I agree or disagree with that but he said he said that he thinks that she's hit the ceiling on her wrestling ability.
He meant that only because she's a face right now. Like if she was a bad girl, would he is still feel the same or if he just means in general that she said her silly. He caught her the black Charlotte.
Guys, hey guys, Joe Davis wasn't done. I didn't say Joe Davis was done.
Let's go.
No Davis ain't done. Joe Davis said to be honest, Jay is not ready from a mental and in rings standpoint from a big singles match against one of the best in Bianca at WrestleMania because she hasn't improved in ring enough to justify having a big singles match against Bianca at WrestleMania doesn't help her case when
she's even outshined her at Crown Jewel. And the fact she has only a handful of singles matches WB is indicative in their lack of faith in letting Jade swim on her own singles matches.
She doesn't have the best in ring stamina. And Bianca does case in point, Bianca EO had a great match on raw a few weeks ago but Jay doesn't have the best in ring stamina to go over 10 minutes with one of the best women's wrestlers on the planet to EO.
This is the Josie Ray Mysterio. I like that.
I would have caught him a hater naturally, but he's coming with bars.
Joe Davis coming with bars so you can't really like deny some of those things. It's like when people hate like they just say, haterish things with nothing to back it up with.
He hit you with a boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Get him on the show.
Hey, how long, uh, Jay been in WWE?
She made her debut at SummerSlam. I mean, we're rumble this past year. So it'd be 11 months now. We're in November.
Seven months. And so we said from a in ring perspective, she probably wasn't getting what she needed from a developmental point in AEW, right?
So in the line, I think when she was AEW, I think she had under 100 matches or something like that, right?
Yeah, something like that.
90% of them squash matches.
Yep. Yeah. So compared to like a last legend, Joe, first of all, Joe, thank you for your comment, man.
Hey, you know what? I wish I was going to rest a minute. I feel like you will probably be there. I wish I can.
We'll talk. But yeah, you all face on this J thing, brother.
Like we talked about last legend who was at the Performance Center practicing the same match for probably two weeks before she does it.
And she's been doing, she's been down there for a couple of years now, right?
She probably has more ring time under her belt than J's had probably in the past three years or four years she's been in the business, right?
From a perspective. And then two, man, look, us wrestling fans, us hardcore fans, like the three of us, we talked about what a top single star should have or top superstars should have.
And we all have wrestling at the end of it.
Man, J just needs to be able to tell a decent match and be able to progress the story.
That's all. Like everyone who talks about she needs to go 15, 20 minutes or whatever.
Like the biggest stars in the business wasn't great ring. That's what, that's not what they were known for.
She has it. She has the aura. If you want to say that, you know, her, the pandering baby face.
Now I might say there's some credence to that, but this is all, man.
I know you just mentioned a little while ago too soon. This foot in Bianca and Jade together was to break them up.
Like this is what they've been shooting for since day one. I will probably say this is long term booking that they've been doing with those two.
And we're going to see the fruit at WrestleMania one way or the night.
So y'all going to get your 10 to 12 minute match because it ain't about the match.
It's about the moment of seeing them beautiful women standing face to face against each other.
We already saw a sample of it. A sample of it on Raw last week.
We going to get a big, so we going to get a big steak mouthful at WrestleMania. God damn it.
It's going to be beautiful. Don't worry about the moves. God damn it.
We worried about the moments that they want to create at WrestleMania and it's going to be huge.
I do wonder, you made a astute comment. Could be wrong. Could be right.
I do wonder if the point of the team was to break them up.
I don't think so. I think the point of the team was to hide Jade and get her acclimated to the WWE style.
And then when we do break them up, it's going to be big business.
But I don't think they were put together in thoughts of the blow off.
I think they were put together because it's a beautiful situation. It's a beautiful story.
It's inspiring. Two of the best looking women in WWE, etc.
But when we get to that point.
But when you go on the charcoal, right? Those are part of the advantages of telling that long term story.
Like, hey, they put them together to break them up. But hey, this is the benefit we're going to get from this partnership.
Right? She's going to be able to learn from one of the best.
At the end of the day, let's talk about it.
Bianca won Bianca in her first year and a half when she got to that man, Rosslyn, got that.
But we was talking about Rhea and Bianca.
We said that, yes, Bianca had the presence and charisma, but Rhea had the ring worked down pat.
And we were like, Bianca will figure it out. And boy, did she figure it out.
It takes people a minute, right? But at the end of the day, what she already has and what she has from day one, she has the it factor.
And there's a lot of women on that roster. And let's talk about it. Let's further talk about that women roster.
There's some bad matches on that bad boy. There's some people women that been there for a minute doing the same thing.
And the matches ain't been...
Say it with your chest. Who we talking about?
Who we talking about?
I didn't know what you were talking about.
Oh, you know what he's talking about. He's talking about bad. He's talking about trash.
Actually, I'm taking back. It's not a lot of trash. It's a lot of it's just there. Right? Just competent.
That's what I feel like.
Okay, hey, each time. Who's just there?
Tell us. Who's just there then?
Well, they fire Indy. So damn. But I like Indy. I'm actually surprised they got rid of Indy.
But her matches, they were fine. Right? They were fine.
I do want to talk about that because we completely skipped that last week, which was my bad.
So Indy was terminated. She's gone. We had... Who else did we have? I got it somewhere here.
Corbin.
My guy, Bearon Corbin. TfW podcast. Legendary supporter. Corbin's gone.
Our third member replacing me, actually. He's supposed to replace me.
We need to hit Corbin up.
Who else? Who else? Who else? Who else? We're missing somebody. Tegan Knox.
Tegan Knox, yeah.
I've always said, and I will continue to say, of course, we don't want anybody to lose their job.
Never. You don't ever wish that on somebody. Unless it's your enemy, then I guess it's go to hell, right?
But I do think some of y'all on social media who act like the world was ending, when Tegan Knox got released,
and get it on somewhere.
Tegan Knox has gone a long time without connecting.
I've said, I think her confidence was completely shot. She wasn't the same. She came back.
She got caught up.
Which time, y'all?
And she just never connected. She never connected. It wasn't working.
Once again, I don't like anybody losing their job.
All the time, but she came back.
Yeah, every time she came back.
Oh my God. She was on TV every single week, and she was having incredible matches.
I mean, hell, look at Indy. Indy was actually on the SmackDown the day she got terminated.
That was a tape show, of course, the week prior.
But I do think there was something they could have done with Indy. Absolutely.
I think they could have did something with Bear and Corbin.
He didn't really want to get caught up under the circumstances that he did get caught up on, or caught up under.
They didn't have anything planned for him to a certain extent.
So that sucks when that happens. But I'm sure all three of them are going to land on their feet.
We know that.
I am interested to see if Corbin is going to continue to wrestle though.
He just comes across to me as somebody.
I know he loves the business, but he has the personality that he could go do something else if he wanted to.
So what kind of see.
But yeah, but we did miss that.
So I think everybody knew that.
Let's actually intro the pot and let's get talking.
We are through the hard way.
You guys know that Rodisha is right there always putting some up.
I can't really tell what she typically does when she does that.
E-Shawna is here. Sounds like he's full of piss and vinegar today.
I was waiting for him to kind of give it up and he kind of pulled back a little bit.
Little bad about that.
You guys know me.
There we go. He said sometimes you got to pull out.
You already said.
There we go.
You already said.
First five minutes.
No, we are 11 minutes in right now.
Go in 11 minutes.
Pull it right back out.
Got to use them a little bit.
So real quick, my man name is Joe Davis and Joe Casey.
I think I just called him Joe Casey.
You don't know about Joe Casey. That's cash money right there.
Joe Davis probably know about.
Hey, but represent.
Look, this whole show, maybe I just named this show.
Joe Davis.
He's calling it Joe Davis.
Because Joe be representing for us every single time the Lions win.
And this is not a football podcast.
But if it was a football podcast, I would be going off about 47 minutes about how this team is set up better than any team in the National Football League.
And I said three weeks ago, we were one injury away on the chiefs of being the best team in the league.
We didn't even need any injuries on the chiefs.
We are currently the best team in the NFL, but I digress on that.
You guys know me.
I'm your favorite talker out here in these wrestling streets, Matt.
This is where I'm at on this episode.
And you guys, if you want to discuss.
In K-fabe.
You can, I will probably sit it out.
So Monday happens and they're taping Monday night Raw for next week immediately after.
Please don't spoil anything for me.
I'm not spoiling anything.
Okay.
And that's where I'm at with it.
Okay.
Fuckers all over social media spoiled next week spoiled the men's war games match and spoiled the women's war games match.
So of course on our docket should have been and is going to be was going to be who's the fifth member.
Bloodline versus bloodline.
The answer as of next Monday is out there.
Oh, wow.
So I'm glad I didn't.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Sorry.
Correct.
I am not going to be a part of a conversation where I know the answer that they're going to present on Raw Monday and then either act like that's not what's happening.
Or I just can't do that.
Right.
So I'm here.
I'm livid.
I get on Tuesday morning.
The first thing I see is the spoilers.
So I got to figure that out as much as we love the inside stuff.
I don't like spoilers in regards to this is definitely happening.
I typically stay off the internet.
The weekend of the world rumble.
He shines known that about me for years.
I tell him like, all right, man, I'm off.
It'd be like Friday night Saturday early morning.
I don't want to hear who's landed in said city.
I don't give a damn who's at the venue.
I don't want to hear nothing.
Give me the surprises at the rumble.
So yeah, we always dig into the dirt sheets and the insider stuff of who's getting pushed next and what the matches may look like.
But when it's like finality and we haven't seen on TV, that pissed me the hell off.
So how do you guys want to handle the bloodline versus bloodline war games conversation considering spoilers out there?
And maybe the majority of our listeners or watchers know what those spoilers are.
Before he answers, Matt, I'm assuming you know who they, yeah, you said on Tuesday morning you logged on and saw it on both sides, right?
You know who the fifth man is on each side.
Yes.
Do you know?
I do not.
Okay.
I don't either.
And I, I thought maybe I would have found out.
So that's why I haven't been on the internet to see.
We can move forward in this conversation.
E and I, as far as what we think and what we expect.
But like you said, the majority of our listeners and watchers or viewers, if they already know it, would this be boring to them or, or is it so we have that naivety to us that we can have a quality conversation.
And maybe the majority of our listeners and viewers don't know the spoilers.
That's the thing too.
So how about we do this?
How about we, you guys go into it in regards to who you will like the fifth member to be and who you think the fifth member can be like, say, I'll just lay out and there's any just good conversation to be had out interject.
But I am excited or interested to see how they've presented so far on raw.
We saw Jimmy go talk to brown breaker.
We saw Sammy go talk to Seth Rollins.
I enjoyed both of those interactions there for sure. Who else knows what else they may have done that wasn't on TV.
But what's your guys thoughts?
Well, who do I want on the bloodline their OG bloodline.
It comes down honestly between like the low hanging fruit of Seth and Cody.
But in the same breath, I don't even want them to be aligned with Roman right now anytime because later in life, if those two ever come back together because you already know I know that I want the Roman and Cody three to happen on its own on its own grand stage.
And whenever Roman and Seth kind of figure out their life cooking their brothers, they're going to have to finish telling that story sometime in the future barring any injuries.
Like I don't want them to be attached to this them bringing in Sammy to me I thought was sufficient enough.
I told you before I'm not booking anything bloodline.
I don't know who I would want I know before the spoilers came out Matt you had told me somebody that you thought who would be.
I have no clue on the OG bloodline of who I would want.
Outside of the low hanging fruit that I really don't want.
You know part of my Twitter following I told you guys before I had been on Twitter for a long time right and actually I've been involved in like a lot of modicum videos for a long time.
But I was always I was like that silent guy I didn't talk to nobody.
Like you know only only read I didn't post I didn't comment.
Now I kept it moving bus or something I hit up Matt.
I was like yo did you hear this but I didn't talk to people man because like I follow the things that I wanted to follow right it was all about keeping peace right we live in a world with a lot of stuff going on right so for me I only follow and look at the things that I like I very rarely respond to anything.
But you know ultimately you know we do this for fun because we love wrestling but also I love to do it for a living so if I will probably interact with a lot more people if I have more time but a big daddy has been super busy with work you know I actually been working for a living lately you know
I went through a time period to where man I just closed my eyes coming to work and just make money you know I was out here living I was living the American dream I'm just walking in my brain just shut off and at the end of the day I had a productive day because I didn't even try to be successful and I was out here winning.
But you know I'm still winning I'm actually working at the same time man I don't know what to do with myself but at the same time though I've been following back on a lot of the rest of stuff so I have no idea what's going on but I do have some things I want to talk to you guys about because I thought about some things you know
Sammy talked to Seth and I'm the big one I'm like oh you know Seth would be a good one right because I always kind of thought about something we can get to another day and also I'm gonna take a step back I'm actually really surprised how energetic I am I have had no caffeine.
I have like very little sleep.
No this is like the restlessness is the last stage that final yeah I think I'm going crazy immensely is with the problem I'm like going crazy lack of sleep and no caffeine.
But I'm like damn you know what like when we're gonna see a show reunion we ain't gonna see one no time soon right but we can see one never.
Seth said we never again.
Right so we're not gonna see Seth right maybe not see Seth right and you know my man my goat Cody he pops up but look I got a little fancy looking for y'all right here right.
What if they can't find the fifth man I'm talking about the OG bloodline right and they're like yo we need somebody right and Sammy like don't worry about I've got somebody for you like they get their war games they still know who the fifth
man is the other three guys they have no idea who's coming you know Sammy has been on the phone trying to get this special somebody for the event he doesn't know he's coming almost kind of like I think Randy Orton was like similar
right right that the very end like right we get the good the countdown timer and then that fifth person for the OG bloodline comes out and it goes with something like this.
Stone cold.
Oh that becomes out we ain't seen stone cold wrestle in years and he comes to Roman Reigns aid to help them battle the bloodline.
I think in a fantasy book world that would be a phenomenal thing but who do I think is going to happen.
I'm again I haven't seen I might down on who was there for Cody like right at the end of the day because all right like KO and Randy Orton those are his next I think views by right one of those two men.
But yeah for Cody yeah but you know, orton just got that power driver from hell.
And he's definitely is what triple H is it.
Yeah they went back to the 70s and put that power driver back out and now you know orton's out of there.
Maybe into war games right you got a lot of time he come back from that neck injury but the war games weeks if he if he that now we're not going to do that now he better be gone for a while brother.
They said right now is to be determined when he gets back.
I did like the power driver spot I love that I'd like my power my my pop up power mom spot on the apron the same thing though did the same thing.
It did the exact same thing but I did think it was really really cool that we got to see a power driver back in WWE again because that move has been outlawed and that just shows and we are no but that just shows how you can get so much real estate out of a relatively safe move.
Exactly. But to us is not safe because of what you presented. I broke this man neck.
Man a dog the reason why they banned that move man get dudes get get f'd up on that.
They don't say it's been a long match.
Why right you see Owen you know like look that that move is what short and strong calls career right.
I mean that's that's a move that can take some people out for some time right. But you know this is a W you know they'll get that's what they said.
See they pop up and you're not going to bash you just say you just say how much negativity is in the roadie. You said that in your mind along at the beginning of the show.
What's what's negative about that. That's an observation.
That's what Joe Davis said Joe Davis said Joe Davis has hit. That's a accusation. That's his opinion. That ain't the truth.
Now God damn what I refuse to believe is that the black strong women of my community hit the ceiling at any point because no we don't do that.
We keep progressing. We move forward. Now every now we know I'm so black. I'm talking about we as a people and I got a little woman in the two.
No.
Little bit.
You know what I'm saying.
Let me tell you some honey. Let me tell you some honey. We move forward. Grab your purse. Right.
We move forward. We move forward. And we as little Joe Davis we may not move the way you want to move.
But we move in. Okay. And we gonna get there. We gonna be there on time. You understand. I'm trying to say.
Don't worry about J. But Cody Rose.
I mean what else you got to do man. Oh he got something to say about Cody to the.
I was like Joe.
Wait Joe Davis got some.
David.
Joe Davis said wait for him to pull the trigger on his Cody and make him return to the dark side of the forest with his natural dark brown hair which will be money.
Oh yes man. That's what he said.
Are you are you ghost writing a W content right now man.
Are you the a W ghost writer man. Oh no because he goes hard on a W to.
Oh my.
I'm gonna say my friend. You are ruining people's lives out here man.
Cody is the most popular baby face didn't have in 25 years.
You want to turn them baby face. I mean he'll already.
They did say.
I saw I saw a report earlier today that he's a number one in merch sales basically at every show outside of like if there's a special international T-shirt.
You know I was there or something like that. Like he's the number one seller.
So I mean he's doing exactly what he he needs to do as a baby face.
So all right. So circle a couple of these things around before you go man.
I do have something I figured out who it would be.
Cool.
It's going to be one time one time.
The rock. He's the rock is going to be on OG bloodline.
Yes. Initially that's what it's going to look like.
And then his true nature of what he plans on doing with it is going to flip.
So then who is who's the fifth member on a new bloodline.
A new someone that we haven't seen yet.
Okay.
Hold on.
Hold on a second y'all.
Brody do you know that he has collectively signed about eight.
That was my way.
My cheat way out of it because I don't know.
Yeah.
One of them.
Yeah.
They didn't got they didn't got mad.
Who like his rulers that the Zilla has a right.
I heard legit.
I think it's three.
I wouldn't say like legit.
I think it's three.
We haven't seen yet.
Well we like well Hugo Leo.
He's not related to them.
But if you're right.
Right.
So we got him.
I think one of the one of the family members that was signed a couple years ago.
Didn't pan out.
I think they signed him back recently too.
Triple triple.
He's like we're spending a block.
This is bloodline thing and going away.
No time.
I think it's three.
You circle bell out and you didn't get the phone numbers.
You see what you want.
Hey man.
Hey you ever.
Hey man.
You ever like no.
You did a circle.
Maybe a circle to you ain't find them.
Nobody you like it.
Like damn man.
Who next.
Who left.
I remember that one card.
Of course.
Yeah.
Try to go back and find it.
Yeah.
You like man.
I ain't coming out here for nothing.
I'm leaving here with something like Denzel said that day.
I'm leaving here with something.
God bless.
So you got both of y'all got one of the Samoans that.
I have not debuted yet.
So the.
The spoilers that came out.
There is still chance and still time for something to happen where.
Maybe that's not the final teams.
Okay.
Just because I mean I'm not.
I don't know.
Case.
Yeah.
I don't know anything.
But.
Who they are.
And I'm only saying that just because we got three.
You know, or two weeks.
From now.
But so let's.
Let's go to what I thought in this person still may be it.
But three weeks ago on the podcast.
I said, Hey.
I didn't want to say it because I didn't want to spoil it.
Because.
To me, the answer was right there.
And I didn't want to spoil it because it's kind of.
Not right there.
It's not in front of your face, but it's been there the entire time.
And somebody who's listening.
I wanted to see it played out on television.
Once again, this may be the person that made it.
I don't know.
But I asked him.
And said, Hey, that's what I was saying on television.
Once again,
this may be the person that may not be the person.
But my answer was Brian breaker.
And I even tweeted it on Monday.
And I said, Hey,
this is what I'm talking about three weeks ago.
And I think Brian is the perfect.
Fifth member because of all of his connections.
He has his connection, Paul, Heman.
You guys remember when Haman went down to NXT.
He was all about Brian breaker.
We haven't seen Haman since he got put through the table.
Fourno.
two feuds of Seth Rollins, not Seth Rollins, of Jey Uso and Sammy Zane.
It was Bron Breaker.
Bron always talks about family, but how he doesn't need his family's name
and legacy he's creating his own.
His entire bloodline thing is about family.
And what more of a hell of a push would that be to put him in a massive spotlight
is to put him with the OG bloodline.
So that was my thought process behind it.
I enjoyed, of course, when Jimmy said, Hey, can you get time to talk?
He's like, Yeah, I can talk and they stopped it right there.
I also love Jimmy did that.
I'm about damn sure Sammy Zane and Jey Uso does not want a team with Bron Breaker.
On the flip side, I am pretty sure Roman Reigns don't want nothing to do with Seth Rollins.
And that's who Sammy Zane went to ask.
So now Roman already maybe feel a little bit like I can't trust you.
You know, we put the ones up, but what's really happening here?
And now you're going to get arguably, which may be my biggest rival,
my brother that we ain't kicking it.
We ain't been kicking it for a long time.
There's so much fun there that they're doing.
So we'll see. We will see.
So we had that.
And then the women's match was also spoiled.
And without giving away who the other members are or member of the babyface team
and Hill team, that match is so thrown together.
I was about to say, oh, my God, like I wouldn't.
I don't really actually care who are the five people on each side of the women's
one because they just took all of the free, the free free agents,
all the actual single wrestlers and some tag teams, put them together and boom.
It's for the middle part. Stir them up and let's go. Fun match.
Great match on Raw. I loved it.
Thought it was great main event.
Eos is happy to be there. I love me some EO.
I just think she is probably one of the nicest, sweetest energies in the world.
Just you can just see it on her face.
So she's there excited.
Her and Bianca, you know, just shake hands. They don't hug.
Yeah, they like, hold on. I think I like they raise their arms up to go off the air.
And it hits me in that moment.
Like, I don't know.
This is war games. Yep.
It's not enough heat for war games.
I really think they should have just done bloodline versus bloodline for war games.
And maybe they would have got some shit online with the fans because where's the
women's match? But this match is what the Hell in the Cell has been for years.
Oh, it's October or September.
Whenever Hell in the Cell used to be, I think it was October.
All right. It's October.
Let's let's.
What's the next match?
I think it was October. All right. It's October. Let's let's what's our biggest
here, biggest feud right now.
OK, let's throw him in the Hell in the Cell, set it up for three weeks.
And that's what this match feels like.
Completely to me.
But it was a fun match.
But I'm just like, this is thrown together.
The one thing I am looking forward to in this woman's match.
Well, again, we have players like, you know, who I know is going to kill the war games.
But for me, I'm just ready to see Tiffy Cashion.
Now, again, who she's cashing in on.
Like, you know, I'm going to sit back and watch out.
But if this ain't a time for her to cash in at a war games.
I don't know.
When else you would.
So you're assuming she's not a part of the match or she is a part of the match?
I'm going to say she is or isn't.
I don't know. But because if she is.
Well, because if she's not a part of the match,
she can't get in the ring because the ring, the rings are locked.
Matt, come on.
Every time Hell in the Cell is supposed to be locked, every time a war games
is something supposed to be locked, so cage match.
And the bad guys always find a way to get in.
I'm just telling you where the rules are.
That's that's how they make.
OK, he could be after the match is over.
OK, man.
Just just to go back to the the brown thing.
I like brown, too.
But I would keep away from that bloodline.
Let him do his own thing, get Bill, his own story, his own path.
I think whoever they put in that bloodline stuff is going to be something
that somebody's going to be associated with that whole few and beef for some time
or has been associated with those guys sometime.
And they're going with the tiffy and the cash in.
The one thing about WWE, right?
Like a lot of the things that should happen kind of happen the way they're supposed to.
And that's mostly good, right?
But it's not surprises.
I don't think that you're going to see tiffy cash in with that many women.
Because that's that's a lot of moving part.
Like if you want to think about it from a logical standpoint, if I wanted to catch in,
you got like 25 women in the ring.
You know what I'm saying?
Like and I'm about to cash in like it's too much.
I could break up my pen or whatever.
I need a one on one encounter, right?
I feel like she's going to take her she's going to pick her spot.
That's going to be like another show that she can get more shine.
Probably like maybe a rumble when it's a match or maybe even at that Saturday night's
main event. A lot of people are speculating that, you know,
in order for that to be like a very popular event that's going to be semi occurring
every couple of months that you got to have some big things happening on those shows.
So that might we might see someone cash in in December.
So I think we might be waiting closer to around that time for cash to for tiffy.
I think this women's match is just going to be that just going to be a women's match.
But at the same time, they were like some people complain if they didn't have a women's
one, right? Like, oh, you know, where's the women's match?
Right? It's already it's already there's so many diva stands and wrestling man that
like if they don't get certain things, like they just go start going crazy.
So I'm trying to get nice.
They said Divas. Yeah.
We use that word 25 years.
Yeah, Divas stands.
But I even thought that the war games just even war games even have to be a thing
a couple of months ago, I even said like, you all could just have a match.
Like it didn't have to be war games.
It could have been regular survivor series.
Like it was almost like they were forcing to put bloodline versus bloodline
because a couple of months ago, we were like, we think it's going to be bloodline
versus bloodline and war games.
We don't know yet because things haven't been brought to brought to light yet.
So for me, I've always felt like after war games this year, just call it survivor series.
Oh, no, we need to.
I don't know why y'all was on that.
Like we look is there's like four or five of them.
It's four or five of the other ones.
They got to get they got to they got to go at it.
Like, why wouldn't you want to see two factions go at it, especially like
versions of them?
So and like the virus series weren't like that at that time.
We hadn't had anything.
But we know he's getting it though.
We knew we knew that as as hardcore wrestling fans.
We knew that.
Well, I think I think that even back then, if you can look at the story in a way,
it was being told, right?
Like going way back, solo takes over the bloodline and he brings his own people in.
We knew at that point that the original was going to come back.
Like at some point we didn't know when and we knew probably it's going to be
WrestleMania.
I feel like the story when you really started looking at it, it was being told.
Like you're not over right now.
It's kind of being sped up, but we knew this is the time was going to happen.
It seemed like it should have been laid a little earlier than what they did,
but we knew it was coming.
It only made sense.
Like you got the OGs.
Like as soon as Jimmy was taken out, Roman was off, right?
Jay had already turned.
Like the stories are to be in turn that there's this new bloodline coming.
We already knew that Rock, you know what I'm saying?
Rock seemed like he had this evil old mastermind that's just like, man,
these dudes ain't doing it right.
I'm still needed.
I need to take over this final boss character he created.
It just made perfect sense that he'd be the mastermind now.
I don't know if you have time to kind of see that part of the story,
but it all seemed like he kind of led to this very moment.
And Survivor Series ain't been a major thing for a number of years.
At least the Wargant has a fresher coat of pink.
You know, it's in the big sale.
It looks visually, it looks like a big deal versus just a four on four match.
So it all kind of makes sense that we're getting this match soon.
That's going to be really good.
Well, we've had what we've had war games now on main roster for.
Would this be the third?
I think this is the third.
Okay. So yeah, so it's been a back to being a major show since then.
The whole brawler smackdown.
If I'm not correct me if I'm wrong, I think we had a year off between the war games, didn't we?
Between NXT and main roster.
No, it's main roster.
No, since they started it.
It's been, yeah.
Yeah.
So we had that.
We didn't talk about the women's US title.
They announced that on Smackdown Friday.
And I guess my question to you guys is if you had the pen, who are you putting that title on?
Or the first ever women's US championship?
Oh, I know dog in a fight, but I would think just popularity wise, it would probably be
between Naomi or Chelsea Green.
Naomi's her name, right?
Yeah, Naomi.
Yeah.
When they introduce the championship, I was just like, damn, it's just so many of the women
are just so bland on that roster outside of the ones that are buying for the championship.
Because like all the, like a lot of them.
You were not named names.
Like a lot of them.
You suck, man.
Like a lot of them.
Yeah, he definitely can go off on Joe Davis, but he can't name one person.
And look at me.
I named Bob Montezzi.
He blocked me on Twitter.
That's pretty cool.
Whatever.
He is what it is.
She hurts.
I'm not bad.
Yeah.
So I'll message him on your behalf.
But you are missing one person though.
Meachin.
Yes.
Yeah, actually, I think if, yeah, I would love for Naomi to get it.
But I think it's a two dog race between Meachin and Chelsea Green.
Like with the work they've done over the last like six months or so, like those are the two.
Where I said if there was another championship that is here, I think it's them two.
You know what you got?
You know, I kind of feel though it's about to say that you got to put the title on somebody
that's establishing the fans eyes to make the championship important.
I feel like if they kind of like they've like they've done a good job of kind of rebuilding
Meachin.
They've done a good job with that.
But I feel like she needs if she wants to, I would love for her to win championship because
she hasn't had a championship and WWE at NXT since she's been there.
Right.
And she's definitely deserved because I've always been a super fan of hers.
But I feel like she needs to win the title or maybe in the tournament, I guess to get
some some some top people, right?
To kind of give her some more credibility going into it.
I feel like they need to give the title to somebody that's kind of I don't know.
I don't know if I want to say like a returning Charlotte Flair, but they need to give the
title to somebody that has this establishing the fans eyes of like important, right?
So then when that next like that under belly of women talent like that midcard is trying
to break out, like when they beat that person, now they get they get the rub because like
the days of just giving somebody a championship, right?
Just give them somebody a championship and that's what makes them a big deal.
Those days are over.
I feel like what you got to do, you got to have a credible champion that's when a person
beats them, they kind of take some little bit of that light for themselves and they
keep going with it.
So you want the first you want the first champion to be a semi or main eventer?
Yup.
Wow.
Establish establish that championship as not a midcard or lower card championship
established as a big deal, right?
Just like they try to do with the I see title and they start doing the US title,
make that championship a big deal, put it around somebody who's a big deal and then
have somebody win and get that rub.
Although I agree with you.
Queen Charlotte is not about to be the champion of the what is it the woman or whatever it's
called, but that'll be on brand for people always think she only comes back to win championships.
No, I'm not saying it's beneath there because you're absolutely right.
You need because we're not bashing anybody here.
We need to make sure championships matter.
So absolutely.
Charlotte being the inaugural champion would absolutely speak measures, but she didn't come
back.
She said, she told him, what's the phrase?
I ain't doing that pal.
Thank you for me.
I think she would actually get no.
She she won the NXT championship right and she tried to make a bet build that build that brand.
Two, you think about Tiffy.
Tiffy is about to be the next champion on a brand.
And I think that when Rhea comes back, she's going to be a champion on the brand.
Right.
So that leads to a person.
Let's meet.
Let's make it back.
I don't want to take the money from you.
It doesn't have to be about money.
I know we can bet on one thing.
What's that?
In none of my wrestling minds.
What I ever think I be watching a Monday night Raw and Goother is looking like a little big bitch.
Oh, come on.
Never.
Don't do that.
Never.
And I love the character development.
I love it.
Okay.
So you do love the character development.
I love the character development, but he looks like a little big bitch.
I can't believe they got him looking like that against Damian Priest.
Damian Priest is punking that man left and right.
Big time.
He's flinching on him.
He flinching and everything.
I was like, oh, this is not this can't be what's what's happening right now.
Is this really happening?
But that's my idea that Goother does.
I mean, you had to write bring water back.
I need fat water back.
Fit Goother ain't it no more.
Give me fat water.
I need that man to show up for Survivor Series.
Fat.
Bring it back, baby.
What was your thing about that promo segment?
And then did it make you want to see Priest and Goother anymore for Survivor Series?
It did.
I love what this Goother is turning into.
I think we all agree that it was we talk about people being stale.
The him being champion has been kind of stale.
Further rewritefully so maybe because of other things that is pulling our attention
in other directions, but it's been stale.
So this is something that's cool.
Yeah.
When he flinched that kind of like, oh, come on, Goother, you better than that.
But the next one I thought maybe this is a way for him playing games and Damian Priest is mine
because he still boss hard to his boy.
Forgot his name right now.
Sorry, he's leaving me.
Louvlin.
Yeah, Louvlin.
So he's still punking him out.
Kaiser's upset.
Kaiser's like, I know you ain't letting this guy talk to you like that.
Yeah.
He can't, but he's a great, right-handed man.
Like, I know you ain't letting this guy talk to you like that.
Do you know who you are?
And then Goother's little big bitch was like, man, let's go, man.
We run out of time in the first day and then they just left.
I was like, what's happening right now?
How do we go from this man being indestructible and never losing to this man never showing
up on TV and when he does, this is what happens.
And Priest is filling himself too.
Priest was in his pocket.
I was like, man, I'm proud of Priest.
I'm happy for him.
He got some earlier.
He uses on CloudDye.
So, E, are you more excited?
Less excited?
Same excited?
Did that segment do what it needed to do for you?
Um, I mean, it's...
I'm just watching the story.
So, it doesn't do anything for me either way.
When you think of a character perspective, like, I don't know how he'll go from being
years of a dominant champion and within one loss, like, right?
He's still a champion within one loss.
Now he's doubting himself to that degree that where he's scared of like,
they mean it doesn't make sense.
Let's say something personal going on in his life and I don't actually even want to see
that story to be honest with you.
So, I kind of...
It has to be, as we already see, like a mind game, something he's trying to do to kind
of lower Damian Priest into a false sense of security or something of that nature.
Is it what I'm kind of guessing?
Because if it's just him humbling himself as a babyface, I'm not interested in that.
Like, I'm not interested in that version of a babyface.
I'm not interested in that version of a champion that's this neutered, like, right?
That scared of his...
I've never...
That's not something I would cheer for.
Like, if you're on the top of the mountain like that as a babyface or a heel, I don't
know how you...
As a babyface, I'm supposed to cheer somebody because you're scared.
Like, it gotta be something else, right?
So, I'm just kind of sitting back watching.
I don't see this going to happen.
I'm not that interested.
Either way, if it's just like a scheme, I still think it's a dumb scheme.
And then two, if it's not a scheme, I think it's a dumb way to build a babyface.
So...
Maybe he was legitimately scared.
Maybe Damian wasn't supposed to do that.
Maybe when they went over their lines in the back, maybe they were supposed to part ways
and when Dam came at him, he was like, oh, shit, let me go.
I'm sure that wasn't it.
So on Twitter Monday, I saw...I was watching Monday Night Football, so I watched Raw right
after that.
But I saw they announced Priest versus Goonther.
So I just said, what's your current excitement level for this one?
A few comments that I wanted to wear because they're all across the board, kind of like
where it sounds like the three of us are.
Our guy, Too Sweet Cow from the OTM podcast.
He said, after that opening segment, honestly, an eight.
I am looking forward to them running it back.
Our guy, Crackin' For Life said, six out of ten.
It's a lame duck title match.
We know Priest isn't winning, but the match will be good though.
Backstage Brawl said, 12 because low key they have chemistry is one of the fuses that's
not faction related and has legs surrounding the title.
The title isn't hijacked by storyline purposes.
This is purely for the Grats.
Firefly forever said, two, unfortunately.
Promo said their first match was great after that promo.
I'm very interested to see if they take the title off of Goonther.
West on the Rural One said, eight, I need Damian to redeem himself and put in an awesome
performance.
Powerbomb Jitsu said, six out of ten.
And at KOD, KJR said, zero.
Crying, laughing, emoji face.
He's not feeling at all.
Say what?
Oh, Joe Davis is only on YouTube.
Okay, this is Joe.
You're only on Joe Davis.
Yeah.
Jonathan Blake said, I think I spoke to you about this before, which he did, but it really
seems WWE is coasting until Netflix at this point.
Even the bloodline story is spinning its wheels.
I think as of January 1st, everything would make a little more sense.
Just a holding pattern until next year.
And my response to him was, I thought this past SmackDown was a great show with some
really good fun and storyline progression.
So kind of all over the place on this one here.
But the cool thing is, and I think I've said to somebody else, we were talking is that
this isn't a main event, right?
Bloodline versus bloodline is the match.
Women's Wargame is the match.
So I thought this match is going to happen at Saturday Night's main event.
That's kind of where I had it circled on my calendar to be on the show, but you don't
need it to sell the show.
Shows already sold per se, but it's going to be interesting.
I do think the match is going to be good.
But I'm like, E, where is this going in terms of the Goonther character?
Because we are starting to see Chinks and Armour.
Does Kaiser just completely turn on them?
It's going to be fun to kind of see what that economy is, but Goonther being a big
bitch was not on my bingo card for 2024.
I'm going to stop calling them now.
101 days.
Hold on real quick.
God, just saw this real quick.
So this may even tie into what you're about to say.
Because he said earlier, and you said, no, actually you said earlier about his title
reign and how it's been like a little, both these gentlemen won their titles 101 days
ago.
Goonther and LA Knight, who has had the better title reign, not the better stories they've
been a part of that has nothing to do with their belts, nothing like that.
Title reign versus title reign.
Who has had the best title reign between Goonther and LA Knight?
Neither of them.
Goonther, just because I forgot for a high second again that LA Knight had a championship.
So evidently that reign can be that great, right?
I'll go LA Knight.
I think his character and what he's been doing has been a little bit more interesting.
Same.
I know you've done that.
Oh, he does his breakup game sevens.
You hate LA Knight.
You hate CM Punk.
You hate Cody Rhodes.
So let me talk about what I was trying to say before you cut me off in the 101 days of
these people holding titles.
Actually, I had something to do with that too though.
You were right.
You know me pretty good.
I know, man.
I know.
You forgot I know you.
The last guy, I think he hit the nail on the head of where I personally felt like besides
the bloodline, these title reigns to me has been just it.
And it is probably because of this holding pattern that they're in and not so much because
of the bloodline, but more so of getting ready for Netflix and seeing how that's going to
play out.
That to me has balanced an equation in my mind of why I felt like these titles reigns
has been just there.
Okay.
That to me is a solution in my head.
I gotta tell y'all, man.
Like I don't I don't know we give WWE enough credit that they're creating content with
no off off time.
I think we give WWE all the credit.
I think we do.
I think that's fair, man.
We do give them credit.
I say I say this over is a holding pattern for this is a holding pattern for that.
Maybe it's just a law in the creative pool until they get to the next story of the telling
like right to say that I think it's unfair to say that they're they're in a hole because
like they got they're not that deal like what six months ago to say that they've been holding
pattern until that.
I don't think that's fair.
They have there's too many big matches that are coming up right before that that they
have to prepare for it.
Like right if they were they got to keep people engaged until the Netflix deal and that's
no easy feat.
Right.
I think that we're just know some things you're into some things you're not.
I think they've had quite a few really good shows and I think that some ways maybe we're
getting a little spoiled.
I'm not could I remember sitting through shitty years of Ross on the Vince's watch and for
the most part every week on SmackDown and Raw we're getting a good to really good show
at least at the very point it's entertaining.
Right.
So I don't feel like there's any law.
My argument is purely these championship reigns to me has been it.
I never said the product was but the that but to say I don't think the championship is
is them waiting for Netflix.
I think right now the emphasis is on the story and the characters and it's just not about
the championships.
And that's all and that's always been a wrestling for in WWE for a really long time.
Brody she's just not just no no no no this year.
It's always been more about the story of WWE minus the bad bad years.
I had multiple champions where I was encouraged and I was excited about their championship
brain.
I haven't felt like that for multiple championship reigns in this last year.
There has to be a reason for that.
Now because it's the bloodline.
It's it's the bloodline.
That's the big but is that fair to say that.
Yes because it's the bloodline.
Then it's the judgment day.
Those have been if you look at the story they've been building the shows around those two stories
and what's been going on around them.
I agree now Cody don't forget Cody.
They've been of course Cody right but he's a champ.
He's a champion.
So you guys are you guys are just all right.
I flew to him.
So I'm just took him out of the question.
I'm just talking about no because there's there's there's there's his stories.
There's a big stories and they've been focusing on judgment day for the past year and a half.
And they don't have a solid when I'm like their biggest champion was was Damien Damien.
No Rhea had it right.
She was on the men's side right.
Yeah you talked about the men's side right but Rhea is doing anything for the women.
So I think it's just that they've been building around the bloodline in the judgment day for
two years.
But that still does not debate what I'm saying about these champions not having amazing championship
reigns.
That's all I'm saying.
Yes I do think you can do both.
I think you can do both.
I wonder if it's not you said it's their whole holding pattern to Netflix is what I'm talking
about.
So what I said was clear.
I said I did not know what it was what's going on.
I said that last person who commented he's balanced the equation in my head on how I'm
rectifying why have these championships brain title reigns been so lame to me.
And it's probably because of that because outside of the bloodline what else would it
be.
And I love the part of it because you don't like Cody Rose and Cody Rose have been holding
it down smack down for quite some time.
It's a major focus.
I'm just trying to help you understand where you're at.
Like you might just be the people that are on top.
I can admit we talked about that chase of Cody Rhodes of the chase of anybody and when
you're a face that chases a lot usually a lot more entertaining than when you're actually
champion as a face.
We talked about that a few episodes ago but just overall I mean if someone can come and
tell me hey Rodisha you're absolutely wrong.
All these champions in this last twenty twenty four year in WWE has shine bright.
No they haven't.
The product is shine bright and I actually kind of enjoy that the fact that WWE is so
hot and it's not just because of the top two or three people.
But these championship brains you might I might remember a couple of situations of a
championship match but the reins itself.
No outside of Cody outside of Cody it is.
Well it's more to fair to say right now outside of Cody in the last five months or so.
The most popular superstars are not holding titles in this said moment today.
I think that's fair to say.
Now maybe that's the reason why.
I do think there's something to that.
But is it fair to say that the IC and US championship have never been more important than they have
been the past two years because before that they didn't mean shit.
Oh so we talked about two years.
Yeah I'm talking about right now.
We're talking about though Goother did his thing for the IC title then Brown is one of
your guys and he's doing this thing and then Jake when the championship that was important.
Like the IC title has actually been pretty decent.
Now if you want to talk about Ellie Nights reign that's something you know like Rio's
doing her thing.
Maybe you don't like the lifting is going on right now.
Maybe you don't like the Bayley but they've been doing things with these champions now
like but they've been this they've been doing some decent stuff with these championships
now I don't know.
I'm not disagreeing with that.
I'm only purely saying that these title reigns themselves.
You take them as a snapshot from beginning to the end of their reign.
They have just been it to me.
There's nothing been outstanding stellar like oh my god this champion of this year was just
so amazing.
But is it more so that you don't like the champions themselves because you don't like
Ellie Nights.
You don't like Cody and like these are the people that's on top of that.
I think that I can say that like for instance punk you know I don't like punk but I would
say everything that he did this year last year might as touch turned into gold.
I caught him out I think on one promo.
I didn't like the promo itself but I came in here and gave him hell mad props so I can
be objective about that.
I can view wrestling fandom as is this a good product versus my own personal feelings.
Well to be fair.
What champions are this that's just so I know so I can understand where you guys are coming
from because we're we're excluding a lot of people.
What championships are mad to you guys.
I can understand what was what's what's what specific champions and championships you guys
talking about right now.
I was saying all of them.
To me I'm saying all your other championships to me is like you're holding a championship.
Okay.
It's not like a stellar so you can say all of them.
Man.
That's what I'm saying the product is is mad.
Well no because if you love the bloodline to your point you love the judgment day you
if say if you love the live Ria storyline say if you love what else has been a big the
punk drew storyline.
It was amazing this past year.
So they've done an incredible job with fuse.
I think there is there is a debate to be had of why and what they could do better with
the title holders in their set fused to make it everybody.
Everything can't be number one.
You got a pie chart got 100% you can only put everything in this pie chart to get a
hundred.
You don't get a hundred to you don't get a hundred and five but I do think there's room
to make these title reigns a little bit better.
It is now do I think they're as bad as Radisha.
No but if you said hey live Morgan's title reign take live Morgan's title reign.
Has it been the best.
I would say no but I think live has been tremendous in her role.
I'm over her in Ria right now but I think she's been tremendous in her role her title
reign not so much.
Goonther title reign as champion in 101 days.
Has he been interesting.
Absolutely.
Have I enjoyed him on my TV.
Yes his title reign not so much because we just spent the last 30 days promoting a match
with him and Cody that was a non title match.
That's still a title reign.
Well I haven't I haven't enjoyed a night's title reign.
It's kind of for a crown jewel.
Yeah okay you see they don't need to talk about it no more.
They don't need to bring it up.
Yeah.
So I do think there's something to it.
Yeah I think Cody's title reign has been pretty good.
I think the IC champions they've had multiple has been pretty good.
I don't mind lives as much.
Who else you got.
I think LA Nites has been fine.
I think the tag team champions have been.
Tag team wrestling has been kind of an issue with that company for a while.
That's something they need to rebamp going forward is the tag team situation.
I think you got the world champion.
I think the biggest mad championship have been really just the world championship on
raw.
I think when Guter maybe didn't have a plan for him and Damien.
But I think all the rest of the championship you know Nia's doing the thing over Smackdown.
I think her stuff is interesting.
I think she was better as queen of the ring.
Like when I think about like my hypeness of them I'm not thinking of her as a champion.
I'm thinking of her as being the queen of the ring because I had those visuals of her
first putting on the crown.
Like that's what I'm saying.
Like it's after that it kind of just been some flabby.
She's a dominant woman.
Well her reign has been flat because it's too much about Tiffany.
Her title reign now is like when is Tiffany going to cash in?
Yeah.
And I don't know if that's best.
I don't think that is doing them any favors in this storyline.
I think it's doing Tiffany great.
I don't know if it's doing Nia anything right now.
But it's about the championship though right?
The whole thing is about her cash in to be at the champions.
That is true.
I got to bring you to the carpet.
Pivot real quick.
You bring me to the carpet every time.
No but this one this is egregious.
You may say you have nothing to do with this.
So I did some research.
Y'all remember last week on the show where I talked about, hey man I wonder what's the
youngest person who listens to us or watches us right?
So I did some research and I don't have podcast numbers but I do have YouTube watchers.
So we can't talk about this.
We can't talk about it.
No, no, no, no, no because when I give you this number you going to have to answer to
this.
Okay go ahead.
So age, let's start with age.
Let's go from Otis.
Let's go Otis to youngest.
We have 13% of our watchers are from the ages of 45 to 54 years old.
Okay.
32% of our watchers are from the age of 35 to 44 years old.
33.3% is from 25 to 34 years old.
So that's our demographic right there.
So shout out to y'all.
And then we have 11.4% of 18 to 24.
So we say at 20, we're right there.
Hold on.
I know if you add all those numbers up it's going to be majority but you don't have anything
for under the age of 18.
13 to 17 is 0%.
No, no, no, no, this ain't what I was calling you to the carpet for.
This was just a recap of who we talked about.
This is what I'm calling you to the carpet for, ma'am.
We put this podcast together.
Aisha, do you remember?
We sat there and said, look, this is what we got.
We got three of us.
We have Radija as the female voice, bringing in the female listener.
Why in the hell in the last 28 days, our gender watch rate is 100% male, 0% female.
You are doing nothing to bring your sex into the podcast.
Well, I bring in women though, bringing in my sex.
You should be bringing the women.
Kamala should have brought more voters out.
You need to bring more female eyes.
I went there.
You never bring me to carpet twice.
Yes, I am going to do that.
100 to 0, ma'am.
Ma'am.
You were on YouTube.
Ma'am.
Maybe they just don't watch YouTube because when they're trying to multitask, you can't
really multitask because of the screen and you got to play something else.
Ma'am, if you don't go out here and promote this show and say you expect some more of
your allies to get on this thing, and actually, if these numbers are wrong, if you are a female
listener or a watcher, please comment so we know you are alive.
You are there.
Actually, there was someone who commented a couple of podcasts ago.
I think their name, their avatar was like a woman's avatar and their name was like a
female.
Shout out to you.
I'm not saying you.
I'm Joe Davis.
Okay.
They ain't helping.
Soon 100%.
What the hell?
But yeah, I was like, what the hell is that about?
And then we, 60% of our viewership is from the US, 3% from UK, 2.5% from Canada, and 4%
of people watches us with closed caption on.
Just wanted to share that.
But yeah, Radija, figure your shit out.
My words come up as on a closed caption.
Oh, you and you both have your own language.
It just says inaudible.
Don't even try.
It says, yeah, right.
That's what it says.
Question.
Somebody put this on Twitter.
I thought this would be fun.
Which is the best upgrade in WWE history is for people.
Number one is, so we're just going to take them from the time we saw them in either NXT
or WWE to now.
Okay.
Charlie Flair, Seth Rollins, Becky Lynch, or Drew McIntyre.
The question is, which is the best upgrade in WWE history?
Can we take Drew off?
That's actually not fair.
Well, you said you mean you first came the first time to WWE.
Correct.
Okay.
Yep.
What do you mean?
What do you mean upgrade?
The best upgrade from the, so the person they are now, if they're main event or et cetera,
et cetera, whatever, whatever, to when we first saw them the way they were.
We remember Becky Lynch as the Scottish dancer on NXT.
We remember Drew McIntyre, number three and B, member of the son of Vince McMahon to what
he is now.
Of course, remember Tyler Black, Seth Rollins.
And then Charlie was just the smiling, I'm happy to be here.
I'm Rick Flair's daughter character.
I had easily said Becky Lynch, but then when you threw in Drew, I'm gonna have to land
on Drew.
He came in back as a different person.
So he was like, who was I mentioned in before who's like a different person in wrestling,
like what they were into where they are now.
It wasn't a brawn, but it was somebody who came back.
And to me, Drew and three and B is not the same person.
Wait, hairstyle, look, any of that.
So I'm gonna go with Drew.
I'm gonna go a little different route with the question.
I'm gonna go from where they started in next to where they ended up being on now.
Being roster.
I think Drew, he had kind of made his change over in the Indies.
He carried that works way up from NXT back up to the roster.
Charlotte, that version of Charlotte happened in NXT towards the end of her run, natural
progression.
I always probably say maybe Becky.
Becky kind of float around.
You know, you talk about like out of the four horsewomen, Charlotte, Sasha, and even Bailey
for America.
But you know, Bay is gonna be the female Shonestina.
Becky didn't really have a role.
I think even in the NXT, she kind of was like the fourth wheel a little bit.
So for her to end up being arguably the most popular woman in the world, right?
Not just the company at one point in time goes a lot because I think the man character
is far different than how she was portrayed in NXT.
She was portrayed for a long time actually in that company.
Like that moment, I think just recently, I think it was like the celebration of like
when Naya rocked her in the mouth and made her bleed and something like that.
So I called her days ago on Twitter.
That's today.
That's today's anniversary day.
Was it the state anniversary?
Yeah.
I mean, like that just changed her character forever.
So I'm gonna go with Becky.
Can't be mad at that.
Both those two answers are the answers, it's not Charlotte, it's not Seth.
I would still maybe go Drew.
I really would because when Becky, I know this, I know the question is like when they
first appeared.
But like Drew really wasn't a progression in my opinion.
It was like Drew was like, okay, you're saddled with this, this man's chosen one gimmick.
You're in 3MB, you're gone and then you're back.
And now you're like, okay, you're the shit.
Becky went from the dancer to the last kicker.
And when she was the last kicker though, you started seeing like, okay, we can get behind
Becky.
And then she took off as the man.
But like, I think I'm gonna go Drew.
No way in the world when he was with 3MB, would I ever think this guy is the future
main eventer, wrestle main event type talent.
So I would say Drew.
That was a fun question though.
I thought that was a good one.
I thought you guys would like that one.
He's favorite guy, John Cena announced today he's going to be officially entering the
Royal Rumble.
Oh wait, can he be the fifth man?
He's coming back in 2025, not 2024 and a half or 2024 and three quarters.
And if John Cena has to win his 16th championship next year, so say it's going to happen.
Do you want him winning the Rumble and then winning the championship at WrestleMania or
do you want him losing the Rumble, not winning it at Mania and then winning it later on
in 2025?
Correction, I think he's already 16 time, right?
Isn't he tied with Flair?
Winning one more would break it.
Okay, yeah, that's what it was.
Yeah.
So he'd be 17.
I think, yeah.
Yeah, because Orton's 15.
Yeah, in my mind, I feel like, again, barring any injuries, they kind of already know what
WrestleMania is going to be.
And I think us as fans know what it's going to be and built around.
And John Cena winning a championship, again, you're talking about this whole bloodline thing
in night one, night two.
John Cena would have to main event that if he wins it in my mind.
So I'm going to just say in your example, I'll take the latter.
He's going to win it after Mania.
If he was to become the 17 time world champion to break Ric Flair record, it would be, I
think, after Mania.
I don't give a shit about John Cena, but I actually, I did think it was interesting.
It was a conversation with Cody Rose versus John Cena matchup at WrestleMania.
That might be interesting.
That's a big matchup, right?
That's deserving to be on the WrestleMania stage.
I would want to see John go over on Cody, but I think that that matchup will be interesting.
Just on paper, I think it's interesting.
I don't know.
You know, you got, again, one of the biggest baby faces in the past 20 years against another
baby face in his retirement year.
I don't know if you want to split the audience like that.
And I'm big on not splitting your audience.
But on paper, it looks good.
Did we talk about this on the show?
What part?
I just don't want to rehash what he just said, that match.
No, I don't think so.
Okay.
So I had a conversation with somebody.
I actually put that on Twitter was that's the match and I added Triple H.
Hopefully he doesn't block me too.
I feel like that should be the match and not because I want to see Cody be healed, but
I'm looking at Cody making a comment of, and of course it could be hyperbole.
Cody making a comment of WrestleMania is not going to be what.
We think it is.
It's going to be much bigger, whatever he said, right?
Selling WrestleMania.
And I'm like, okay, well, what's the biggest possible match you can give to Cody?
It's him and John Cena, the face of WWE for the last 20 years with the new face of WWE.
And I get the whole not wanting to split the crowd, but the crowd ain't going to be split
after the match.
You raise his hand and everybody pops and we hug and people cry in the crowd and we
go home and Cody could be even bigger baby face afterwards.
I don't know.
I know.
Do I think Cena should beat Cody?
Probably not.
But I'm only looking at selling for night one.
John Cena vs. Cody Rhodes.
And if Cena wins, he breaks.
Oh my God.
Are you kidding me, man?
Like that is money.
We were in the business of selling tickets that sells tickets.
They've already sold tickets.
So I guess you don't need it.
But man, get that to me, please.
Some paper and doing what's best for money business, kind of probably wear how they was
trying to do rock and roll man.
Last year, I can see that.
But me being a Cody hater and me being an absolute stand for John Cena, I wouldn't want
Cody to lose this championship to John Cena.
I mean, yeah, I just wouldn't want to see that.
Yeah, that'd be tough.
I don't.
I don't know, especially the way that seems to be in the trade.
I like the overall match.
But I say I just wouldn't want to see John go over.
You don't have John beat him.
And then maybe you and then you maybe tell the redemption story because see what I would
love is you had your shot, John, and you lost.
So now the rest of the year, he's trying to climb back to get that title shot.
And either that's through the rankings of beating set opponents where we can get some
dream matches during that time.
We got to get him a punk again.
You got to get him an order again.
You could.
Right.
And then we get to that point to maybe right around SummerSlam.
Now is his next shot.
Maybe that's when he gets it.
But no, you don't have you don't have him.
You have him pass a torch to Cody.
And like, somebody.
So then you're saying that he will not break Rick's flair.
No, he can, but not against Cody.
You have you have Cody beat him at Mania.
When you brought that up, that's when I thought you were trying to say that would be where
he would win the 17th time.
So you're those are not the same thing at all is what you were saying.
Yeah, because me personally, I would much rather have that story than have the story
of him not having a shot at all for the entire year.
And then we're playing that game of argument in September.
He had a shot yet.
Okay.
And then we do the the logical illogical storyline wrestling one on one of he gets his shot on
the last raw show in December of 2025.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't want to do that.
Like, no, let's get that shot out of the way.
So now watching him all year is kind of like, well, does he get another shot?
So when he does get another shot is even bigger because oh, shit, this is the one that he
can actually win it on.
And then you let him win it.
It'd be a travesty though.
If he comes back and he doesn't win it.
I keep it real with y'all man.
Seeing him come back and the Reebok pumps and them and them jeans shorts.
But that ball spot, man, he shouldn't win nobody championship, man.
I mean, I know, I know there's a certain people that want to see him be Rick Flair.
I don't honestly care about Rick Flair's record.
And it's a weird record anyway, because the championships aren't even from WWE.
He only won the championship twice.
You only actually won the WWE's championship twice in his whole entire career.
This is all from NWA, WCW.
So the is weird.
They combine all these titles to be honest with you, the most winning WWE champion of
all time is probably triple W. Joe Randy Orton at this point.
Maybe even John Cena is just weird that they celebrate Rick Flair.
He's been this lifelong career long WWE guy has won all these championships.
That's just not true.
It's a very weird stat they're going for.
I don't really care about it.
I'm not sure how many of the new younger fans know the history and care about it.
I think this thing is very weird.
But John, do something with that.
Look, man, if I had your money, man, I will have all kind of plugs.
I have plugs in my butt, crack, maruda, and my to it.
What are y'all doing?
Sorry.
John, cover that up, man.
Somebody did say that.
They said, look, if he's going to be here all year, he needs girls hair out.
Cover that up, man.
God damn it.
And I understand.
I understand that.
I mean, I don't care too much about the ball spot, but I get it.
But you really hate that man in his ball spot.
You come out here and shit on him, John Cena is every opportunity you get, but you won't
say nothing bad about who in the women's division is just OK.
I peep your game, sir.
Yeah, because fuck John Cena.
Wow.
Damn, John Cena hurt you.
That's not cool.
What else, man?
What else you got?
You know, I originally had a between the sheets segment, but not really.
Before we write off, man, I got to ask you a question.
Yes, sir.
We got AW Fuller Gare coming up on 23rd.
OK.
I don't know about you, but I'm not really super excited.
And as I'm watching AW, I actually don't mind watching it late because here's the thing.
I can watch it in my leisure because I'm not forced to watch it anymore on these shows.
I'm not forced to watch it.
So now I don't have to sit and watch the entire show.
I can skim and I can catch the things I want to see.
I can see the stars that I want to see.
So for me, it's kind of like when I watched Raw back in the day.
I kind of, you know, if it's a three hour show, I probably watch maybe 30 to 45 minutes
of it.
That's how I'm kind of watching AW.
So like the stuff that I actually see that I care about, I actually enjoy.
But goddamn, I'm seeing a lot of things I don't enjoy, man.
I'm seeing a lot of things I don't enjoy.
Like we talked about it on another podcast, but like this MJF and Adam Cole thing is horrendously
bad.
It's just terrible.
It's just horrible storytelling.
I don't understand how MJF, every year we get these beat the clock to fight MJF stories.
And I don't know why Adam Cole and Right Strong, who are our stablemates and friends are agreeing
to compete to wrestle this dude.
It seemed like you would just give someone a mulligan and just fight the guy.
I'm watching the Mercedes and Chris D'Atlanta match and how like every week these girls
are getting beat down.
Like the bodyguard is getting beat down.
The big time heel is getting outsmarted.
We know that she's probably going to lose that full gear, but it's just really bad booking.
I'm having a hard time looking at these stories on this show.
So when I look at this full gear that's coming up, even the John Moxley story, it's kind
of a little wonky a little bit to me.
I'm getting more stories, but it is not telling it to me in a way that makes me really care
outside of, hey, I like seeing the Hertz indicate.
I like seeing some of the talent.
I like seeing House of Black, my girl Julia Hart's coming back.
I'm here for that kind of stuff, but there's so many stories that they're telling that
it's just bad.
And I have no, like, I know we got a week and they can have a lot happen to AEW in a
week, but I have no interest in this full gear coming up next week.
What's that you guys?
I went out for most of that.
I am completely ignorant to what's going on at AEW right now.
Complete full transparency.
The little bit that I've seen is some of Moxley's intensity, which I enjoy, but again, that's
the little dosages that I've seen of it.
I don't know how it is actually truly paying out in a full episode, but I am liking what
I see there other than that.
I'm pretty much out of the picture as far as AEW was past month.
So this is when I got to get my, you ever, you all were listening to like, those shows.
You know, those shows, but yeah, you know, like, they get really close to the microphone.
They do like this.
This is how they talk for the entire podcast.
And it's like real serious, right?
And they do that whole thing.
It's like science Fridays and all those types of podcasts.
Yep.
So they do that kind of stuff.
So each time.
So I did a social.
So I did a, I did a social experiment this past like month or so.
I haven't watched AEW in two weeks.
I watched AEW when they had the one big show, but then I haven't watched AEW.
I haven't really even talked to AEW.
But what he just says, she's like a big AEW fan.
So I'm like, okay, well, if I stop watching AEW.
See, if she's a really big fan, she'd watch AEW on her own and talk about it.
But he just hasn't talked AEW on her own and talked about it.
And I'm not going to watch AEW this week and I'm not going to watch full gear next weekend.
We'll be at the show that next Wednesday because it's in Chicago and that's like our
family tradition to do Thanksgiving Eve.
And then I probably won't watch AEW again until I hear something that's on that show
outside of a wrestling match that I have to watch.
I just don't care to watch their show.
Because it legit irritates me and frustrates me.
I've been down this road already with you guys on the podcast.
You guys know.
It gives me anxiety because I see so many missed opportunities.
So I just removed myself from it and I haven't missed it to be completely honest with you.
I was joking about the whole Chaucer experiment.
I just haven't watched it.
I know she wasn't going to watch it either, but I'm not missing it.
First of all, don't go me under the bus after I said I haven't watched it for the last month.
I literally, I set the same, remember in eight mile and how Eminem and they did a freestyle
and then he brought everything to the front of the table first before their retort can
even happen.
I say it on here live that I haven't watched AEW.
I said, outside of the little bit that I've seen about John Moxley and his intensity,
I haven't watched AEW for the last month.
But no, I think he's trying to make a point that you were the AEW guy for right now.
They stopped watching you.
Not watching it.
But here's the thing though.
I got a guy.
100% 100% 100% it's all universal.
It's all universal.
I'm a little lady sometimes too.
So whatever.
We're just there.
Okay.
Between you.
So we got one full lady.
We got one half lady.
We need to have at least two women watching the show on YouTube.
I'd be damned.
If you could just back up for the microphone a little bit.
I know that's it.
But listen, but at the same time though, in all fairness, in all fairness to Rhodesia,
the reason why she didn't want to switch our recording schedule because she knew it
was going to happen, she was like, Hey, we stop.
We start recording on Wednesday.
I don't have the time.
And this is what I always talked about before.
I'm like, I understand where you at because she's a mom.
She's running like five businesses over there.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, look, it's hard to get to watch all this day at wrestling.
She's like, look, if we start potting on Wednesday, I'm not going to be able to catch up on
AW the way I want to.
And that's exactly what happened.
I understand it because that's, that's what you got to make a decision.
When I said, why are they going like, yo, there's so much wrestling on, right?
It's that man, look, life be life in man.
Like, there's so many things that you got to do as, you know, if you're a parent and
spouse and sniffing others, you know, back in the day when I was out there banging the
hose, you know, you got, you got to do.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
You got so many things that you got to do.
So to, to know you have to spit all this wrestling in at the end of the day, you know, when you
got one company, then look, WWE is not perfect by any means.
They have some opportunity on those shows.
Yeah.
We talked about it on this show.
But, you know, for the most part, it gives you entertaining diversion from life, right?
So when you go and watch AEW, if it's not at the same level, visually, production, storytelling,
you know, it's kind of, it's kind of hard to watch it at the same time.
So, but I don't know what they can do guys.
AEW man.
I don't, I don't see.
Yes, you do.
You do know what they can do, but it's going to take a massive reset.
And then you can argue and say they don't need a reset.
And I would argue and say, okay, maybe you're right.
You don't.
You don't need a reset because you're still getting hundreds of thousands of viewers.
You're still getting hundreds of thousands of people buying these paper views.
Cool.
Maybe you don't need it, but that is what they need.
There was a, they announced that they are running collision at the Hammerstein Ballroom,
which is the night after Ring of Honor final battle.
Ring of Honor final battle is going to be at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York.
That's, that's where all the type of dynamites need to be.
Those type of venues.
Smaller venues.
I said that forever.
That would make me start watching it because at least the crowd can bring that.
Yes.
The crowd would bring that energy.
It'd be, you would, you would see a different level of excitement on the show.
Cause the show, to me is just super bland outside of the production.
Moxley came out and had an interview this week and said he overheard somebody in the
background or the back talking about a certain segment and the person said, basically, why
does it matter because it's a low, I don't know if it was a low level.
Actually, let me just pull it up so I can say it correctly.
But my retort to that was, yes, you can see it and you can feel it on the show.
So okay, this is what he said.
He said, um, there will be a lot of stuff that won't be a part of this AEW.
For example, earlier in the year I was having a conversation or I was wrong.
The conversation earlier in the year.
I heard a backstage type person talking about interviews or pretakes or something.
It was a situation where talents were not put in a position to succeed due to lack of
preparation, framework, direction and things like that.
This individual said, well, it's the bottom of the card.
It doesn't matter.
And you can see that.
But haven't we already learned to stop having stuff from the back and locker room come out
to the general public?
Like that is terrible.
That's absolutely terrible.
But we don't care about that.
And if I was, we won't care about that.
But I'm just saying though, like, he said, can you imagine saying that you're fucking
fired.
Don't work a sunglass hut.
You should be fucking pistol whip for saying that.
But for real, for one, everybody that everybody that's at the top of the card was at one time
in the bottom of the car.
That's how it works.
You climb the ladder.
Exactly.
You see this frustration or confusion for some of these talents because there is no fucking
ladder.
They don't know what to do.
They're just wandering in the desert.
We're going to grab them and we're going to walk with them.
So of course, he's a that's a great answer.
But you can see that on TV, though.
I've always said they typically hit on their main storylines outside the devil.
They, you know, the main match storylines you're invested in.
It's the other stuff that I'm just like, I'm good on.
I'm good on.
So yeah, so to be completely honest, man, I wouldn't try and dismiss your question.
I don't plan on watching full gear.
I haven't watched them the last two weeks.
And I just feel like outside of maybe missing a good match, I'm not going to miss anything.
So I'm cool.
Well, see, that's that's part of the issue and problem, right?
We went from die hard, AW fans to I'm not watching the pay-per-view.
I'm not watching the shows coming up.
And this is happening to a lot of viewers, a lot of hardcore AW looking at the last week's
show.
Right?
And stuff like that.
I know, I know.
Like, you know, like NXT went to Wednesday to their night and AW got under 600,000 views
for that night.
So that just tells you that some of their viewers decided to watch NXT as well.
Right?
Oh, it's only because of ECW.
Just so you know.
But even that's the truth, though.
But look, some of the AW hardcore fans.
Ain't nobody still watch wrestling who used to watch the WWE like us.
But no, I'm saying that look, if you look at whatever reason, those AW Dharahars decided
to watch something else, then watch their product on the same night.
Like a lot of those die hard AW fans are slowly tuning out of the product and the people I
am with you, I just don't see it changing anytime soon, guys.
I got beyond like WWE is not gonna stop being WWE for a while.
Like once they lose the post of like the fan, like they have it right now, right?
Well, it's gonna happen at some point.
You kind of lose a little bit and something kind of snaps.
Simply, it really steps you realign.
Right?
It goes up and down.
Once they actually lose the post of whatever it is, once they lose like this order that
they have, like it's still gonna be a for a while.
It's still gonna be kind of it's gonna take a while for them to kind of lose the complete
what is a that you're gonna do in the meantime?
Like right because you gotta think about what they're not the alternative right now.
They're just not like there.
Like that was their thing.
They were an alternative to a really bad brand with Vince was running.
They're not the alternative.
They don't really have an identity.
They're like, right?
I'm the hardcore fans.
But the F I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm going back.
I'm losing my mind.
You went back boy.
I'm going back.
They're still catering to hardcore fans too.
You're still getting excellent wrestling.
You're still getting, you know, these stars and legends from the past.
You're still getting these things in a high clip.
So what is a W and what is their route like?
A W's were the best Russell.
I told you that already.
Not according to Kenny Omega.
But we're talking about that on another show guys.
We got to wrap soon.
Oh man.
Okay.
We out there.
Oh, oh, still a good match real quick before we sign up.
Till Rodigio.
I know I don't think Rodigio heard that till Rodigio the Kenny Omega story.
You're doing better job.
But real quick before we sign up.
Man, no, let's let's hold that because that's a whole conversation itself.
And I know you say you want, you want to go.
So let's hold, we can hold that for next week.
But Kenny's, Kenny's a fan of this wrestling man.
No matter what promotion it is.
Even if it's not his home promotion, but it's like home to him.
And that's where the best wrestling.
All right.
We out of here, man.
Let's get out of here.
We gave y'all an hour and almost an hour and 30 minutes.
I know my guy Billy Mays on X earlier today said, man, the freaks really missing out on
us not being two times a week right now.
I said, even though we're not two times a week right now, he added you.
That's me.
You got to check.
I was scared.
Even though we're not two days a week right now, that could be coming back in the future.
I was like, don't worry, man.
You're going to bring it on this episode.
So hopefully you guys all appreciate it and loved it.
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