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episode 109 starting out with screams and hollers we've been trying to do this thing

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now for an hour and 22 minutes i've been saying i'm trying not to blow up our people's by

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the riverside you got to figure your life out you got to figure your situation now we

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are now doing this on zoom this week so our audio sounds a little different our video

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looks a little different our apologies but we had to get this pot out to you guys one

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messed up audio and video situation will not stop us bringing you what we do which is talking

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wrestling like only we can tfw podcast episode what 109 we are in here i am your host matt

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as always joined by two of my favorite people three to harway your co-host eshan your co-host

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rodija outside of uh us sitting here for the last hour and 22 minutes trying to get this

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thing to work what else is going on that's about it my brain is purged now from everything that

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i had in it i was prepared ready to come man i had so many good notes and now i'm just on reset

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what my goddamn t is cold you know i'm saying i can't even hit the gunshots

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i got you let's keep it real though i mean the the gunshots might not have worked on riverside

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anyway see real talk you know what this this this pod may be called riverside get your life together

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that may be what we we name this this podcast here justice for tfw there it is anyway let's get to

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it then seeing that this is way way way past overdue y'all know where i want to start i'm sure

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is where y'all want to start and it is the bloodline segment from smackdown this past friday

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it is the return of hill rock the return of forfeit rock the return of hollywood rock maybe all

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rolled up into one let's just start because we got some good to talk about we got some bad to talk

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about and maybe even a little bit of ugly in there but definitely some good and some bad

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good and some bad either one of y'all can take it whoever wants to start with your thoughts on

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the rocks promo and how it all went down on friday night first off you said there's some good bad and

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it might maybe ugly on the rock promo yes all i all i got was good we know what that is right

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there but who knows if you guys talk we're using another platform right now but point is

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all i got was good out of that do you understand when he first came out in his vasachi vest i'm

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calling a vasachi vest i really felt like this was back to circa 1999 and i popped so hard for

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this is the rock that i guess i never really got because when he was a super bad guy whatever he

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was called i wasn't watching him that much was it corporate rock is that what he was called

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yeah i really wasn't watching that much at that time but this is like a whole nother level of like

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yeah you can go and do movies you can go and have a political possible political career

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but it comes back down to you are a pro wrestler all i got was good out of that

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i think that uh rock is reimagining himself to a brand new audience and showing everybody who's

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the greatest talker this industry has ever seen his hands down i don't think there's

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i'm i'm i'm standing on 10 toes that rock is the greatest ever best ever you've ever seen in the

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industry there's no one that comes close to him like the bloodline was kind of like you know

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roman again and roman is like he's like the the biggest star in our business currently

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but you put rock there all eyes is on him they had to stand off to the side right and i feel like the

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ring still wasn't big enough for him like that's how big his star was man greatest talker in the

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business um this is what we grew up on um he showed everybody i i love the old like this

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ain't sitting along with the rock that's back i'm here for it so those are all the good things for

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me right like if we i saw some think pieces on x on friday night and say all right guys

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chill out like we we were able to get the rock that we all hadn't seen for 20 plus years

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i always talk about how wrestling is supposed to be fun right how can you not have fun with that

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segment it's it's it's like one of those jokes you're all in on together when he came out there

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with that vasashi vest it was like all right now okay i know what time it is that also lends me to

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the to the bad which we'll get you too but just in terms of the good he gave us what we hadn't seen

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in forever so you know you think about like people who weren't watching wrestling back then

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hell maybe people who weren't even alive back then they got a little bit of the taste of what we're

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used to with heel rock we haven't seen hill rock in a very long time and he was able to tap into

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that version of the hill rock of the no sing along with the rock the vasachi the completely going

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off on the fans herpes inbred all that kind of stuff you mean it felt like we were transplanted

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back into whatever that was you know 20 or three or whatever it was so i love that in terms of

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entertainment i talk a lot about aw their shows in a capsule they're always great but for me when

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you put them together in totality you start seeing like some of the kinks you start seeing some of

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the missed opportunities with storytelling or match setups and things of that nature but when

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you watch a show they're majority they're always entertaining for the most part so that was rocks

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promo on friday i don't have to go into more what we love of course we loved it right so now i put

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the podcast hat on we get into talking deep inside baseball and all that kind of stuff

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the bad for me uh-oh was it felt like we went backwards in time and it had nothing to do with

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what we've seen so far from them when we had the press conference we got on our emergency pod and

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we all loved it we talked about man they haven't done real like that in a long time it felt real

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it felt like a sport i said i got text messages talking about man i lost respect for cody rose

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or for the rock because he smacked cody rose like that's crazy it's like well no that's part of it

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that's what you should feel we get the press conference we get these awesome shoot quote

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unquote instagram posts and twitter posts from the rock where he's going in right he's boy you

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done messed up you're going against the family you're gonna learn you're gonna find out today

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and etc etc with that that edge awesome we see him pull up got on all black whatever we ready to go

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then he comes out in a character of hill rock not hill rock and yeah we still got two months to go

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into mania but that was the bad of this was i was expecting him to come out and be a harder version

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of roman in regards to you'd have messed up now you didn't talk about my family this is what we're

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gonna do to you and we didn't get that we got the caricature of the rock so watching it i'm like ah

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okay it was entertaining but now even more so i'm like where are we going with this

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like what's next because if you if you saw his twitter tweets and you saw his ig post

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and then you got that you're like is this the right episode am i am i tuned in chronologically

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to the timing of what we're supposed to be getting here or did i miss something and that was kind of

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what i felt like watching that promo on friday i'm not gonna discredit anything that you said there

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but for me i completely enjoyed what we got because your point of what you expected from him to be

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like a harder roman but that's not him rocky hill is rocky hill so i think this was like the line

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in the sand to say to clear his day to enie and everybody i am an absolute number one bad guy

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right now there is no room for interpretation of if i'm if i'm good but i'm bad when you talk about

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the bloodline no i am bad so i don't want you cheering for me i don't want you singing along

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with me i'm planning that i guess flag in the sand saying no i'm i'm bad rocky so although i get your

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point i completely feel as far as maybe as your common lay fan that absolutely i prefer this way

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because the other way we be such more of an advanced thinking you still have some people who

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just not quite understanding what's happening sometimes you got to just bring it back down to

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basics and rocks basics of being a hill is what we got but edgier now his shirt is cut off yeah

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i agree with brodija man that's kind of like me going to chick-fil-a and expecting the gourmet hot

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dog man like the rock is the rock like right and like this is the rock this this character even if

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it is or maybe it wasn't but this is what we got 25 30 years ago i don't expect anything different

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now i know like the rocks like the biggest wrestler in the industry right now too by

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looking look at them guns boy them blood is huge like but he's never been that guy like right and

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he's never portrayed himself as that guy so i didn't expect that from him here i think that

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we're just we're still in the work in progress as far as what he's doing and what's next for him

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because obviously you know up until a couple weeks ago we were looking for the rock and roaming i

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don't know how what kind of story we're going to get with that but now we're into okay now we need

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to show people who rocky is now he's he's reunited with the bloodline and what does that look like

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going forward and what does it look like going forward with with cody i think it was a

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a great reintroduction to heel rock like right and this is who he is um character and all this

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is exactly who he is exactly who we got and i think it was a great showing for himself and for the fans

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um yeah i mean i'm a little surprised that you didn't you have so many negative things about it

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one quick thing matt before you respond there i can also say that this is probably the most

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outlandish that i should see of him meaning i don't expect him to be this um like you said

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a caricature of rock after this because you are now a board member um you are now 25 years older

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so i do expect you to be probably not as loud and vibrant as you was oh no that's that's what

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we're getting real but i would want him to be a little bit more toned i would want him to be in

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the all black in a nice black silk shirt or black i i do want to see kind of an evolution because

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like you said you're right you look and it's like a time capsule you really don't know where we're

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at at time he looks older you know he's bigger but this is the same thing that we got i just know that

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for me he just had to do what he knew best and that is him that is the origin of heel rock

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so i do agree that i shouldn't see this this flamboyant rock but that's probably the right

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let me ask you a question real quick rodija before matt goes why you know me for a long time too

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i'm the same e that you knew 25 years ago right i'm probably crazier now than i was 20 years ago

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right so you people don't really change like right yeah their situation changed he had mixed

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makes more money he has a whole lot uh he has less hair you know he added all the hair that he lost

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he went on to his arms right like like that's that's where all his hair went it went on like

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the power went to the power of the mana yeah as he talks about people don't really change you know

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because of circumstance things of that nature they are always who they are like that's that's the rock

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man like so if anything i think we're going to see it turned up a little bit more so then so the

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reason why i say that and those are all great bring-ups i'm only going off of what's being

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presented to me in totality from don't wane the rock johnson and so i'm going to these ig posts

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in these twitter polls so when i'm so what i'm talking about is i'm gonna just read a few of

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them real quick the day of the rustlemania press conference okay uh this was after he smacked cody

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ig post says i was born into this crazy world and i love every second of it i've been whatever

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whatever whatever then he says your hero fucked around and you found out quick what happens when

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you talk about our family with disrespect lines crossed and blurred bring it we don't toe the

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mark for no one road to rustlemania begins that has a hard edge to it so even if you just take out

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him cussing with the four letters because he did that on smackdown just not to that level there's

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still a hard edge to that a few days after that he has a ig post where it shows him roman and

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and heyman walking out of uh the vegas arena and he goes uh you fucked around and found out quick

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didn't you boy you your little friends and all your cry babies have no idea what's coming the

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world's on notice people's champ plus tribal chief then the day of smackdown i believe he says so

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late city get ready because you already know we're bringing it to you this friday night live

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that's the rock we didn't get that's who i was expecting on smackdown once again take the f words

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out i'm talking about that real the same the same rock we got at the press conference when he was

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talking to triple h fix it or we will you don't talk about our family we didn't get that we got

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the the lovable hill rock that we're playing along with you because you're disrespecting everybody

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and we think it's fun and we're still popping for you that was what we got it's not a rock

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that was what we got it's not a big deal i still enjoyed it way more than i didn't but if we're

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talking about stories because i'm all about stories i did when he when it cut off i was like

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okay now what would i expect it and now what's next and that's great that we're thinking about

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what's next so then also too with with what's next there was a lot of talk on social media

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surrounding the line of i'm going to make sure you walk out of wrestlemania which you are a

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loser he was allegedly talking to cody rhodes there's a camera angle where he points and the

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camera angle looks like he's pointing at roman reigns when he says that i was just gonna bring

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that up and there's a ton of conspiracy theory saying hey rocking cody still together they still

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align with it because cody did say that he tick council and this is when he said he's gonna not

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wrestle at wrestlemania and they're still in cahoots and it's all going to come to fruition

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that they're in cahoots at wrestlemania what's your guys thoughts on that i was going to mention

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to you that as far as this type of rock that all you mentioned on twitter i don't think necessarily

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the wrestling twitter fans are the same exact wrestling fans that would be in salt lake city

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at smackdown so i think that that there is a difference and they are kind of maybe not the

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same person so when you say we didn't get that rock the edgy or harder rock we got the caricature

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of the rock i just think that those are just two totally different maybe groups of fans or segment

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of fans now then my second part of it is like well maybe that is done by design because it was

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something about how he looked with his glasses on toward roman that you wouldn't been able to

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you wouldn't been able to catch it as normal so maybe this is kind of a ruse to try to sabotage

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one time the other one time number one roman we'll see but i i think that there's something to it

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yeah i'm here for whatever they they want to do i'm just i'm just here for the ride

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honestly um i think part of fun for me as a fan is just to watch it happen experience it i don't

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need to just for me like i i think i know it's fun for everyone to kind of like predict where it's

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going but this is so good and the characters involved are so amazing i just wanted to see it

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play out and i just want to enjoy it so whatever they decided to do i'm sure it's going to be great

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because if we're looking at this we got one of the biggest stars ever rock i'm like whatever he

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wants to do right i'm crying boss roman if that's what you want i'm sure he would have played that

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well give me hollywood rock i'm sure he's gonna put whatever rock decides to do is going to be

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good because it was good roman is in full he's back doing this thing with it for as long as he's

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going to be doing it and cody's on the high right now everyone knows cody all right so i'm here for

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whatever they decide to do uh if he turns on them great when we get that match i hope they just don't

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microwave it like i said i kind of want to get a i kind of want them to kind of take time to get

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to the roman and rock thing and give me a nice little story but whatever they decide to do i'm

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here for it you know what's cool is that they built up this type of equity with the fan base

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that you can say that no way in the world would you have been able to say that about wwe programming

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two years ago nope that hey i'm just along for the ride and whatever they decided to do

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that wasn't happening under vince you like man they're gonna mess this up and we're gonna be

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sitting here talking about what if and we know that at the end of the day they should make it

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right we got a couple of viewer and listen to their comments i want to throw to you guys

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surrounding this uh from youtube our guy ryan jamal what's up ryan jamal first time we've heard

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from you or rey nail i'm sorry rey nail jamal hey rey now uh this was talking about our last

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episode he said i a thousand percent agree with rhodesia i want to see rock somehow be in the chamber

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and win to face seth relax rhodesia then i would have rock verse seth 91 rock wins kody verse roman

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night two roman retains that will be the boldest coldest and craziest heel faction takeover we've

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seen since nwo bloodline 2.0 should then become like the nwo with the difference being that we

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actually finished this story unlike the nwo hashtag and still hashtag we won rocky hashtag

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finish the bloodline story hashtag kody cry babies let's go i like that um he brought up a couple

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things there we've talked about like the night one night two thing we don't have to get into that

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again he brought up the nwo for you guys what's the best faction in history who's the greatest

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faction in wrestling history for you that's gonna take some time but maybe

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greatest faction to you because i have a second follow-up question

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after this just because when i started watching wrestling there wasn't really a lot of factions

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again until like h got in we knew h when he first got nxt he was a guy of multi men or

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multi people groups so i'm feeling undisputed error volume one i really really really enjoyed

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and that's what me and i really caring for adam um coal that much you hate adam coal yeah but i

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really love undisputed error but factions i felt like this was a little bit before my time just a

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little bit before my time

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you know i'm gonna probably go back into my childhood and say the four horsemen um volume

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two and three so it's hard to go against them volume two and three not uh because the original

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uh horseman had only um that was before me uh i started watching when it was rick

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it was uh arn and telly and lex luger and then luger was replaced with very windham those those

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were those factions were great because rick flair was your was your world champion he was a top dog

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unspeakable arn and telly was the best tag team unspeakable and then lex and barry they were both

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u.s. champs at the time and they both were like heads of their class so like they were really

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dominant charismatic and they were just they're very undisputed error was very similar but

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unlike the horseman you know arn and telly can kind of they had a little more charisma than you

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know riley and uh and fish and then i think lex or barry had a little bit more charisma star power

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than um roddy did so this is for star power i'm gonna go uh four horsemen and then i'm gonna go

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uh four horsemen the second and third version but you want horsemen okay religious went kind of

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undisputed era now that was what your greatest faction in wrestling history was who do you guys

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think is the most influential faction in wrestling history told you i don't know that many factions

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geez louise let's go with the four horsemen because everybody talks about the four horsemen

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even e just brought up that that's one of his greatest so let's go with the four horsemen

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you know the nwo was high right everyone had nwo shorts on shirts on back in the day

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um like that logo still stands the test of time like it's still a very cool looking you know uh

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logo actually my uh hey versus everyone's shirt that you guys can pick up on uh eshawn.com

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um it's very um eshawn.com is nuts it's kind of a take from the nwo shirt actually so

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um i kind of want to say the nwo but i feel like they were inspired uh inspired by the horsemen

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second or third version but maybe the nwo if you want to go as far as popularity

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i ain't mad at it i'm mad at it all uh another comment what was yours for

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greatest faction it's hard to go against the horsemen because i think they were so influential

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i'm not giving the horsemen both though right so if i was to say greatest faction you say horsemen

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influential to me it's got to be nwo but i think bloodline is a faction

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and at the end of the day they're going to go down as

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three greatest faction of all time because they're already the best storyline of all time in wrestling

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so there you go that's mine's um and that's one of user slash qm4rv6

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tt1q you can go to him he says uh might be the most clueless take when we were talking about

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what we didn't want which was the triple threat match which they pivoted from because we know

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what we're talking about user qm4 brt tt1q he said also cody isn't winning triple threat would be the

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most amazing thing at wrestlemania i would love to hear back from you again user qm4rv6tt1q when you

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tell me now if you still think you're right what a piece of crap you know what we're not gonna do

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that to you one one six seven um we're not gonna do that to him we're not gonna alien or not him

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or her we're not or them we're not gonna alienate them but triple threats to me i just y'all know

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how it just boils my my skin like i cannot stand a triple threat and it's only because it takes a

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very very like the synergy required i feel for all three people in that match has to be like it was

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written in the stars at night to have a great triple threat i've seen some great triple threats

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but just overall i cannot stand a triple threat they were triple threats i wouldn't mind it

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seeing that we're on zoom we've only got eight minutes left so don't worry we are going to action

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pack wednesday's pie because derek i forgot about you we got a question for you he asked about some

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portrayal coming with the bloodline teaser there our guy brandon james on twitter gave us a great

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one surrounding wrestlemania and how the hype around wve is at an all-time high and kind of

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what this compares to in comparison to past wrestlemania build-ups we're gonna do all that

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i thought you meant like what it compares to like as far as drinks and drugs all right enough uh enough

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isa what uh i know you had a couple things what did you have that you wanted we also had the darby

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allen promo set up and we can't play that because uh yeah we don't have the sound board so what do

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you have sir well real quick on the uh on the smackdown tip i've really enjoyed uh drew and

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la night's little brief segment um i thought that i like the face-to-face because i don't think we've

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gotten a lot of la night in the past few months um but i really enjoyed that i don't know what's

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going on with drew but i hope they got a figure here they got a fair situation now maybe they're

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just keeping the signing yeah you know a secret i don't know what they're doing i they need to sign

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that man okay he is doing some great character work right now and i'd love to see more of him

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at la night latest news is uh he's got time added on because he was out with his injury

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so allegedly he still hadn't resigned but he's not up right after wrestlemania

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i don't know how the way he's going you don't put the belt on him at mania i don't care who's in

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that match i don't know if it's 101 with him and seth i don't know if you do include

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sammy in it or if you pivot sammy to gunther for the ic title i'm still trying to figure out what

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they do with sammy um over the next couple weeks but regardless this is drew's title

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like if he doesn't get it now i don't know when the right time ever will be

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damn i'll see i also wanted to get to you shaking ass at work

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work i can't even get to that man yeah it's a hilarious story guys we don't have to move

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that to wednesday he's got to tell the story that is hilarious hey real quick since we finishing

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up and staying on smackdown naomi's new theme i like that man i think i think i like it i think i like

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it i think i like it i had to shake ass to her thing too see yeah you sure he said the text he

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was saying yeah it's not to me it's not as good as the ones he used on impact but is it's to that

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and then of course naomi and trinity's name sounds a little bit different but i liked it i liked it a

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lot and shout out to trendy too you know she knows she follows the pod she follows the the twitter

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she uh i'm happy for her i'm happy for her to be in that position of kind of that main event

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wrestling match segment on smackdown and like she's just having a blast you know like even for her to

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be able to you think about how they were micromanaged for so long in wwe and then think about the end

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right she wins and then she fixes her hair before little nate grabs her arm like stuff like that to

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be able to have fun in that moment it's just so cool they have fun we have fun watching it it's great

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also speaking of uh the bloodline too real quick um there was a clip that somebody had clipped up

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on x with naya jacks and she took on maxine dupree at last night's house show it was about a two minute

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clip and you know i just want to shout out naya jacks again the work she's done on this run

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has been super strong and i think for them to trust we know maxine is not where she wants to

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be i'm sure and they keep putting her out there on tv wrestling which i think they need to stop

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doing that she's a great personality but keep her on the house shows until she can really get that

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bell to bell psychology down but for her to be in a match with naya that shows a lot of trust in naya

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too uh to kind of show her the the ropes on on this house show loop so shout out to to naya i

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know that we've given her props but she went out we talked about on monday she went out and killed

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that promo segment she's done great in every single thing that she's been in so far this is

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like what a second run should look like i know a lot of people were down on her in that first run

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but she has really made herself valuable to wv since she's been back you know whenever she came

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back october november whenever it was yeah she looks good never since the word yep um injury

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bug beat nikeeta lions again she's out come on they haven't stated if it's a knee or what but

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i've said this before she just came back she has to change her wrestling style she leaves her feet

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way too much and yeah we've seen big guys and big girls move but just because you can do it doesn't

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mean you need to do it that type of work style is not sustainable for a big girl like her

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they need to let her switch to an mma style and if you want to break out maybe one or two moves

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where you leave your feet cool but i hate to see that that sucks she just got back

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yeah i'm gonna have to re-watch another one of her matches i didn't think she did i didn't think she

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did that much she does a bunch of the kicks and you know she ain't popping it enough for me if anything

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but that's your job now buddy you're the resident ass popper go ahead twerk twerk twerk um so are

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we so we legit we legit only got two minutes and 28 seconds left is that what it is yeah and i have

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five quick things but i'll bring that up on wednesday my only thing that i would say but the video

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package they show rocky yeah not rock is our we're robin the wise man and he was like perth i gotta go

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to perth oh it's fantastic and why does i know i'm the wise man you don't gotta go he was he was

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not want to go to australia i gotta go to australia check that out that's on x2 that was a little clip

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they did of just promoting elimination chamber and roman's like who's gonna be there and he's

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like cody's stuff can be there and heyman's like yeah they are gonna be there and he's like do i

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have to go and i was like no no you don't have to be there i can go for you he's okay all right

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and everybody go get your tickets so it'll be interesting if they still pop up on that um last

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thing to get us out of here and you can take the last word on this damage control story we didn't

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get a chance to talk about it two weeks ago dakota kai came to bailey's aid this week she's trying

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to align with bailey and bailey like no new friends i don't trust you thoughts on where we are now in

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the story of damage control you know it's it's a it's a good uh angle i just had a question for

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you guys and we can ask it on the next spot because we literally have a minute and a county left uh

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does damage control need a new name it's just i like that right i liked it when she said it

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um this is damage control i actually i liked it no one's ready for damage control yeah i liked it

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that's a good one all right so then we got some more listener comments and questions to hit on

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wednesday i also want to bring up prime breaker to smackdown that's a big deal we got to talk

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about the the derby promo on dynamite to see what you guys thought about it we got some comments on

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there and then we also have some other things too that that he had and we're gonna have money night

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rock and the final testament and we are out of here on that talk to you guys on wednesday

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