1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Now, I can't speak to everybody's beautiful Sunday. 2 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,000 I can only speak to my beautiful Sunday. 3 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,000 Brodija, how's your Sunday going so far? 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,000 It's going lovely. 5 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,520 Sun's out. 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Beautiful blue skies. 7 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,960 Woke up this morning, had my coffee. 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,320 Coffee tastes a little better than normal. 9 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,320 Took my morning shower. 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,560 The warm water felt a little bit better than normal. 11 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,440 After the podcast, we'll get something to eat. 12 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:56,960 I am sure my taste buds are going to be popping a little bit more than usual. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Eshaan, I don't know how the weather is and the food tastes and the water pressure is 14 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,840 out in your neck of the woods. 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Why don't you tell us? 16 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,120 How is your Sunday morning going, my good man? 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:15,120 Oh, you know, it's actually 47 degrees here. 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,120 It's raining all day. 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,920 Oh, that's a little rough. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,640 I look outside like the little trees are swaying from side to side. 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:23,640 OK, that's not bad. 22 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,000 But it is Sunday. 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,000 It is the Lord's Day. 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,000 So it is. 25 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,000 It is. 26 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:35,360 I'll tell you who other day it is, too. 27 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:43,960 It's also the Ones' Day and everybody who has been clamoring for us to finish the proper 28 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:49,960 story of Dwayne the Rock Johnson and Roman Reigns, it's all of our day. 29 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,240 We have waited years and years and years for this and I'll be damned if we don't break 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:54,880 this whole thing down. 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Only way the TFW Podcast can break it down on this beautiful Sunday. 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:03,040 This is episode 106 of the TFW Podcast. 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:08,800 I am your host, Matt, joined by Rhodesia, who is in a fantastic mood. 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,520 Eshaan has said it's rainy all day. 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,200 We'll try to lift his spirits a little bit. 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,680 Is there maybe a silver lining in this whole situation? 37 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,400 Yeah, I guess we can talk about that, too. 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,320 Maybe, maybe not. 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:30,680 I do want to start by saying. 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,680 I was always told when I was younger, like my mom used to always have this saying, God 41 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,680 don't like ugly. 42 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,240 She used to tell me that a lot. 43 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,240 Right. 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Something happens. 45 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,000 If you do something wrong or something, say something bad, right. 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,520 They would like, she'd be like, God don't like ugly. 47 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Basically meaning like, hey, you can get yours. 48 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:53,560 Do you guys believe in like, like wrestling God, God, karma at all? 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Like, do you think like things like that can happen or do you think everything just happens 50 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,920 the way it's supposed to be? 51 00:02:58,920 --> 00:03:00,920 I think karma just all around. 52 00:03:00,920 --> 00:03:03,280 So yeah, it would apply in wrestling as well. 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,360 What do you think? 54 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,600 It depends on the context and where you're going. 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:09,600 Okay. 56 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,920 So we know there's karma because Vince is getting his right now, but it was a faithful 57 00:03:13,920 --> 00:03:14,920 Friday evening. 58 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:17,320 It's past Friday evening. 59 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,000 Faithful Friday evening. 60 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:26,840 I hit the group chat and I tell you guys and tell Brandon like, hey, about to watch a movie. 61 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,320 Like not going to watch Smackdown live. 62 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,720 Of course, we always just say that just so we know. 63 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:33,080 I have some major happens. 64 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:34,600 We know it's a big deal. 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,800 I think Brandon hits back and he's like, what y'all watching? 66 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,600 Is everybody watching Barbie? 67 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:48,720 And then I preface that by saying, uh, everybody who could be a part of WrestleMania's main 68 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,600 event is in the building at Smackdown. 69 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,040 Everybody right? 70 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,400 So the main event segment is going to be a doozy. 71 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:58,400 So just watch out. 72 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,400 He's okay. 73 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:00,400 I haven't started yet. 74 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Ishan then replies, let me pull Ishan's reply up. 75 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,600 What did he say? 76 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,080 He said, not watching Smackdown live to watch Barbie? 77 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,200 Question mark, question mark. 78 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Make you speak to that on the pod, pal. 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Shake my head. 80 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:20,600 He was disgusted at me that I decided to watch Barbie instead of watching Smackdown live. 81 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:21,600 And I understand that. 82 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,480 I get that. 83 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,120 But we hadn't watched a movie. 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,760 I think we watched Oppenheimer like a month ago and we've been waiting, trying to watch 85 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,680 Barbie, which Barbie was a awesome, awesome movie, much better than what I thought it 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:32,680 would be. 87 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:33,680 Check it out. 88 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,680 Um, sounds like, all right, cool. 89 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,680 I was like, hell, you bring it up on the pod. 90 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:38,680 I don't care. 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:39,680 I'll bring it up on the pod. 92 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Like y'all know me. 93 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,680 Like it takes a lot. 94 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:45,480 Like for me not to like feel like I could just tell you guys whatever's going on. 95 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,760 So stay off the internet, watch Barbie. 96 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,920 I go right into after Barbie. 97 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:53,240 I go right into the main event segment. 98 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,760 I'm like, I'll watch the main event segment first. 99 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,680 Then I'll just rewind and watch the rest of the show. 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Stayed away from the internet. 101 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,640 So I didn't know anything. 102 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,680 I had a feeling what we got was what we were going to get. 103 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,160 I don't know why I had that feeling. 104 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,240 I just had that feeling. 105 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,400 We got what I thought we would get. 106 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,300 And now remember I'm watching this like an hour and a half later than when it happened. 107 00:05:19,300 --> 00:05:27,760 So as soon as the segment's over, I hop on X and I hadn't seen that type of negative 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:41,520 feedback since probably when Charlotte was added to the Triple Threat match at Mania. 109 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:49,280 And then before that what had to have been the Daniel Bryan throwing out the rumble, 110 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,120 not included in the main event, WrestleMania plans. 111 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,520 He's a B plus player. 112 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,820 That was a shoot thing behind the scenes. 113 00:05:55,820 --> 00:05:57,120 And I'm of course, I'm ecstatic. 114 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,840 I am like, this is what we've been waiting for. 115 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,360 This is fantastic, but it is a ton. 116 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,360 Fast forward now to Sunday. 117 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,960 It ain't stopped. 118 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:14,320 Twitter has been on fire the last couple of days with negativity with vitriol for Dwayne 119 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,720 The Rock Johnson. 120 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:18,720 I want to get into all that. 121 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,320 I want to get into all that, but I say that to say E, this is really your fault. 122 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,200 I don't like ugly. 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:28,880 If you would have never sent that text message to that text thread, Rock would have never 124 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,880 showed up. 125 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,160 Cody would have came out and said, I told you at the rumble, I wanted you Roman. 126 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,160 That's what we're doing. 127 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:35,160 They would have signed the contract. 128 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,360 They would have went off the air. 129 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:38,360 So on and so forth. 130 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:43,880 So how do you feel being the mayor of Cody town, being the president of the Cody fan 131 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:51,640 club on the TFW podcast that you in a way caused Cody to not finish his story at WrestleMania 132 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:52,640 40 in Philadelphia? 133 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,960 This shows you all true of a heel. 134 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,360 This man is, this is what abusers do, right? 135 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Like they make bad things, the victims like, fuck you did this. 136 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,000 Like, right? 137 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:13,400 This is, this is, yeah, I feel like I need to file a lawsuit as well. 138 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,800 All right. 139 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,000 So let's talk about it, guys. 140 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,340 Let's start with, let's start with the fan reaction. 141 00:07:21,340 --> 00:07:23,880 So I would like to start with the fan reaction. 142 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,520 Then I want to kind of talk about what we saw. 143 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,400 Then I want to talk about the promo that Roman cut on Seth. 144 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Because I'm also a little confused on some of the reaction about that promo too, because 145 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,160 everything was beautiful. 146 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:39,740 Everything was great. 147 00:07:39,740 --> 00:07:42,920 When Seth said what he said on Monday, we all thought it was great. 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,620 We talked about in the last pot, Seth killed it. 149 00:07:45,620 --> 00:07:50,920 But then when Roman responded on Friday, everybody's up in arms. 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:51,920 He buried the title. 151 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:52,920 He buried Seth. 152 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Like, I don't get that, but we'll talk about that too. 153 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,360 Let's start with your guys' reaction. 154 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,860 And E, I want to start with you. 155 00:08:04,860 --> 00:08:12,400 You said a couple of weeks ago, you were fine with getting rockin' Roman. 156 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,320 You actually wanted it. 157 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,320 You would be okay with Cody not finishing the story against Roman at Mania. 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,880 Because you felt like that wasn't the big thing here. 159 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,560 It was, okay, Cody getting to the mountaintop, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 160 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,320 Now that we got to take this for face value, they are going to announce officially what's 161 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:36,320 what this Thursday at the WrestleMania press conference, which they're selling premium 162 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:37,320 tickets to. 163 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,320 It's a free event. 164 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,320 And they're selling priority passes to this thing. 165 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:42,560 I think they're like $2,000. 166 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:45,440 You get like some meet and greets, et cetera, et cetera. 167 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,600 So whatever, which is great for them. 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,880 What was your thoughts when you saw it? 169 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:52,880 How do you feel about it now? 170 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:53,880 Give it to me. 171 00:08:53,880 --> 00:09:02,160 Well, you know, when I watched the show real time, I was right there for it the entire 172 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,160 time. 173 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:09,560 And it was almost surreal what was happening to me. 174 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:13,520 And while it was happening, it just didn't feel right. 175 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:22,000 So as you said, and just full disclosure, I'm okay with Cody winning at Mania, as long 176 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,000 as he wins at Mania. 177 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,240 That's a conversation we can continue to have later on. 178 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,280 I was okay with Rock and Roman, not necessarily for the championship. 179 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:38,560 Because I just, in my mind, that automatically makes me think that Rock is winning the match. 180 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:42,320 Because there's no way that the Rock, I mean, sorry, Roman's winning the match. 181 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,160 There's no way that Rock's going to win the Undisputed Championship, right? 182 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,160 He's not going to be around. 183 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,640 I mean, Roman's not around. 184 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:48,920 He's only around every four to six months. 185 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,000 I mean, what is Rock going to do, defend every year or something? 186 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,440 So you already know that the winner of that match is ultimately going to be Roman. 187 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,840 That kind of takes some suspense out of it. 188 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,080 So I'm okay with that. 189 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,200 But as I'm watching it, you know, Roman cut a nice promo. 190 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,440 Actually, I didn't have a problem with the promo at all. 191 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,640 I mean, he is a heel. 192 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,240 He cut a heel promo. 193 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,120 You know, of course, his version of that promo was going to cut a little more teeth than 194 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,600 Seth because that's the character. 195 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,920 But you know, Cody comes out there. 196 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,520 He's fired up, fires the crowd up. 197 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,600 You know, say, hey, the story's changed. 198 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,000 It's about Roman. 199 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,200 But it kind of was like in a whimper. 200 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,200 I'm just now going to finish it right now. 201 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,200 He said it kind of, he said it like kind of quickly under his breath. 202 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,760 And then the Rock's music hits. 203 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:41,960 And I'm a big Rock fan. 204 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:42,960 I think I don't remember. 205 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:43,960 I'm not going to look it up. 206 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:44,960 I meant to look it up the other day. 207 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:45,960 I didn't feel like it. 208 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,840 I think I said a rock is my number two or three on my list of all time greats or something 209 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,840 like that. 210 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,840 He was too. 211 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,840 Two. 212 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:54,840 Yeah. 213 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:55,840 Huge Rock fan. 214 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,720 He's probably my favorite movie star. 215 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:06,920 I love all his movies, but not a pop for me at all when he was coming out. 216 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,520 And when he came out there, it was just for me, I just, you know, it was funny. 217 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:17,200 Yusuf sent that meme of Kerr Angle with that blank expression, that little smile. 218 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,200 I think that's how I actually looked in the moment. 219 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,200 I think that's how I looked. 220 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:21,600 Because I didn't say anything. 221 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:27,200 I just kind of just watched the screen and he came in there and they kind of shook hands 222 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,080 and Cody didn't, you know, he didn't have that, you know, hey, I'm appreciative. 223 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:37,480 You know, he had looked kind of like the wind was kind of knocked out of him a little bit. 224 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,000 You know, Rock said something to him. 225 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,200 He smiled, you know, kind of, you know, nicely, you know, he pro and then he went back to 226 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,200 looking like, you know, the wind was knocked out of him. 227 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:50,560 And then he kind of walked back down, you know, through the apron and you know, Rock 228 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:56,240 watched him and it kind of looked like a dog and it got kicked a little bit. 229 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,360 And as I'm watching this, I'm like, man, this just doesn't feel right. 230 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:05,440 And then he turns around and he looks at Roman and for me, it just wasn't what I wanted in 231 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:06,440 that moment. 232 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:07,440 It just wasn't. 233 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,320 It wasn't what I wanted in that moment. 234 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,920 Cody built up a great story about how the story is now the Rock and it makes a lot of 235 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,920 sense, especially considering how last year's Mania went. 236 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:19,920 We want revenge. 237 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,480 We're right there to get it. 238 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,400 But just not right now. 239 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,240 We got to pause this story or take a side quest, right? 240 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:35,320 If you're a RPG guy like me, it's a side quest with the Rock and Roman in. 241 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:36,880 I wasn't really there for it. 242 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,320 I wasn't really there for it. 243 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:44,360 I wasn't up in arms for it because at the end of the day, Cody will main event, hopefully 244 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,000 one night of Royal Rumble. 245 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,920 I'm sorry, of WrestleMania, hopefully against Seth. 246 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,240 Hopefully he wins the championship. 247 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,960 I mean, honestly, he better win the championship. 248 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,960 God damn it. 249 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,200 If he don't win that Mania, it's going to be a problem. 250 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,720 It's going to be a huge problem. 251 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,480 We think Vince McMahon's issue is a problem. 252 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,160 If Cody don't win their Mania, that's going to be another problem that we don't want. 253 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:09,200 I'm telling you all that right now. 254 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,480 But yeah, I got a lot of things, man. 255 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,480 I have so many things about what's going on right now that I have like a whole two page 256 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:18,480 story of my own. 257 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:20,040 I see this is what this is. 258 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:24,120 My man, Cody said he doesn't like the finish the story thing, right? 259 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,120 He doesn't like the host. 260 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:26,120 But you know what? 261 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,240 I have my own story right here that I have written down here. 262 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,600 I wanted to make sure I was able to capture what was going on in my mind. 263 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,120 So I'll let you guys go ahead and take off for the rest of this one. 264 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,480 I was ready for you to hear it. 265 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,200 We'll get into it over time. 266 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:50,940 I was actually prepared to come on here and just go off on E. But see, I love E's response. 267 00:13:50,940 --> 00:13:56,320 What I saw over these last couple days on the Twitter is like completely like straight 268 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:57,320 toxicity. 269 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:04,040 Like, y'all are ready to freaking riot WWE, completely cancel them because of what just 270 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:05,040 happened here. 271 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,240 Now, for the record, I'm so tired of hearing the story. 272 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,600 I told you about that before. 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,920 The devil, the stories. 274 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,760 I'm so tired of that. 275 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,600 At the end of the day, the rockin' Roman is it. 276 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,600 That is it. 277 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:17,600 We didn't get it last year. 278 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:18,960 That probably would have been more perfect. 279 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:20,720 But we have it here. 280 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,640 People have forgotten that Cody is still the Royal Rumble winner. 281 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,640 He will still main event WrestleMania. 282 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,040 And I believe he will win against us. 283 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,200 I think people also forgot that CM Punk is hurt. 284 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,800 So whatever possible plans that was in the works for them, they had to call the audible. 285 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,980 I'm happy as hell that they had a rock in the back pocket that they're able to insert 286 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:43,320 him and make this a huge WrestleMania. 287 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,020 But you asked for my reaction. 288 00:14:45,020 --> 00:14:53,200 So my reaction is I loved everything about how that segment was from Cody coming out 289 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,000 there, him planting his foot down and saying, let me be perfectly clear. 290 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,600 I'm still coming for you and everything. 291 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,440 I'm tearing it all down. 292 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Just not at WrestleMania. 293 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,880 So you can interpret it however you want to interpret it. 294 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,760 Like you said, this coming week at the press conference, they're gonna announce kind of 295 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:09,760 the plans. 296 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,080 We know probably what it is though. 297 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,360 Rock comes out and for me, I'm like, how are we gonna do this? 298 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,800 The last time Rock was there, he had mentioned maybe he'll have a seat at the head of the 299 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,880 table and that was it. 300 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,280 So I wondered how this was gonna play out. 301 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,040 I thought it played out perfectly. 302 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,600 He came out, Rock is big as hell. 303 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,280 Now we know being big as hell doesn't mean anything about you going in the ring, but 304 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,440 he looks the part. 305 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:34,440 He looks huge. 306 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,120 He looks like a wise head of the table guy. 307 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,220 And it goes off them staring at each other. 308 00:15:39,220 --> 00:15:40,640 No words needed to be said. 309 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,640 To me, my actual reaction from that, I got all the goosebumps. 310 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,040 I didn't feel like Cody was anything less than what he is today. 311 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,560 Cody is still one of the faces of the company. 312 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,080 He's on the 2K. 313 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,840 We know he's going to be the face of this company. 314 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,560 So for all those people who was just so toxic and just like, oh, y'all forget WWE, Triple 315 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,200 H, I can't believe you did this. 316 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,960 Like, come on, first off, this is still all predetermined. 317 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:08,360 This is like a soap opera. 318 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,080 So for me, I like the excitement of people feeling either angry or happy. 319 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,120 It's just a level to some of these people who are angry. 320 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,880 It's like, whoa, like, and you, you had to do a reality check for me. 321 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:26,680 I remember when Brock broke the streak and I was freaking livid, but I still don't think 322 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,760 I was livid to this level as some of these people are. 323 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,320 I just wanted to get up and leave WrestleMania, but that was it. 324 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:35,840 Some of these people are freaking lunatics. 325 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,480 Well, some people are talking about not going to mania now. 326 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,760 Then sell me your ticket at a discount so I can go. 327 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:46,600 Which is funny, but even that's funny to me because since when I've seen a lot of that 328 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,160 over the last couple of days and we know there's nobody who's just not going to go to WrestleMania. 329 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,800 If it is then hey, whatever you worked yourself way too much into a shoot. 330 00:16:53,800 --> 00:17:00,040 But since when did you buy those tickets last year? 331 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,040 That's your fault. 332 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,400 If you only bought the ticket to see Cody beat Roman Reigns when that wasn't even announced, 333 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,960 Cody hadn't won a rumble yet. 334 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,400 Who knew if Roman was still going to hold the title. 335 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,680 Yeah, we knew that was going to be the case, but you were only assuming that. 336 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:21,880 So the, so to, to come out here and say, well, I spent my heart on money to get these WrestleMania 337 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,640 tickets and this is what you do to me. 338 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:26,920 That's part is whatever. 339 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,240 I think there may be an age either. 340 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,040 I think some of this is a age thing. 341 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,920 I think some of it is a, how long you've been watching wrestling for thing. 342 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:41,600 And I also think some of this is a, if you're friends with Cody, all bets are off, right? 343 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:49,720 There's some people who are really tied to the business that were really pushing the 344 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:51,480 Cody's getting screwed narrative type thing. 345 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,080 What are your friends with Cody? 346 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,080 I get that. 347 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:55,080 I get you looking out for your friend. 348 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,200 Your friend has got in your words, probably screwed over and not getting his crowning 349 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,720 achievement moment on night two of WrestleMania, which is the biggest show of the year. 350 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:03,720 Got it. 351 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:10,120 Outside of that though, I thought the segment was done as well as it could be. 352 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:14,660 A lot of the discourses you made Cody look stupid. 353 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:20,400 You bury Seth's belt, which we'll get to that part here in a little bit. 354 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:25,840 We know from a real, real standpoint, this didn't come down to pipe until a few days 355 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:26,840 ago. 356 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,880 So I hear, I saw a lot of the, why'd you have Cody win the rumble? 357 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:31,880 Then why'd you have Cody win the rumble? 358 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,960 Because the plan was at the time of the rumble, Cody verse Roman. 359 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,880 That's why CM Punk versus Seth. 360 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,640 That's why the plan's changed. 361 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:46,240 I thought this was best case scenario for Cody in regards to what he said. 362 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:52,920 He came out and he said, I'm taking everything from you. 363 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,360 I just don't want the title anymore. 364 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:59,360 I'm coming for everything, just not at Mania. 365 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:05,520 He just told you he is going to be the reason why Roman Empire's falls. 366 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,860 So we got a problem with it because it's not night two of WrestleMania in Philadelphia. 367 00:19:10,860 --> 00:19:16,360 He hands over to The Rock, which that moment was a real moment in the ring with them two 368 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:17,360 together. 369 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:19,400 I thought that made him look great. 370 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:24,520 I thought that protected him in a much better way than if that didn't happen. 371 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,760 And then it looks like you just got punked for your WrestleMania spot. 372 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,760 Yeah. 373 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:29,760 In a, in a shoot world. 374 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:38,000 Yeah, we can say he got punked for his WrestleMania spot, but in what they presented in storyline, 375 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:43,440 Rock called me, gave me some advice or we talked about something and I am stepping to 376 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,320 the side for him at WrestleMania. 377 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,200 And here is the baton. 378 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,400 You can't ask for anything more than that under the guise of what we know. 379 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,880 Now yeah, if we knew two weeks ago, which we should have, I still go back to if there's 380 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,880 a fault with this. 381 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:04,840 Yes, of course we went to Mania last year when I bought the Hollywood ticket, it was, 382 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,040 Oh man, I'm buying these tickets because we're getting rock enrollment in Hollywood. 383 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,040 Where else could it be? 384 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,040 Etc, etc, etc. 385 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,040 We didn't get it. 386 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:16,360 It got a tremendous Cody and Roman match. 387 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:26,240 But now you fast forward and there's such a big uprising on Cody's getting screwed. 388 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,240 I would much rather have, and this is where I said the age piece, there are some people 389 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:30,680 though, and this is what I told Rudez yesterday. 390 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,960 There are some people who probably have never even seen Rock wrestle live. 391 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,560 When I say live, like in, in, in that timeline, right? 392 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:41,280 There are some people who are the biggest Cody fans in the world that were not watching 393 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,300 wrestling back in the nineties when the Rock was hot. 394 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:51,080 So to them, I understand where they're like, you're putting this old guy in here for your 395 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,080 top face. 396 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,000 That's going to be the face of your promotion when he beats Roman. 397 00:20:56,000 --> 00:21:01,320 I understand that now for the vast majority of wrestling fans that have rock, we just 398 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:08,160 did our top 20 and out of the, I don't know how many, you know, lists we read on air, 399 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,680 I think everybody had the rock in their top three. 400 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:12,680 Yep. 401 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,080 Everybody did. 402 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:20,360 This is by far the biggest match you can do in wrestling period after Roman Rock. 403 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,800 There are no more legit dream matches. 404 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:24,800 This is it. 405 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,740 This is all we got besides maybe punk and Austin. 406 00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:34,640 That's probably the only last one that everybody who has a inkling of watching wrestling would 407 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:35,640 tune into that. 408 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:41,560 And you can maybe argue punk and Roman, maybe argue punk and Roman, but that would have 409 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,080 to include Heyman and moving some pieces around maybe by that time Roman's face and punk is 410 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,280 heel, et cetera, et cetera, whatever. 411 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:57,280 I just think that some of these people are so super shortsighted on not wanting Roman 412 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,200 and rock just to get to Cody and Roman. 413 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:08,480 And then the other part of this too, which is a kicker for me, last year at WrestleMania, 414 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:15,720 all I heard from everybody who said Cody should have won against Roman at 39 was they missed 415 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,160 a moment. 416 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:19,720 They missed a moment. 417 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,280 Nobody's going to care about Cody winning the championship when they do. 418 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320 Because this was the moment should have been in WrestleMania 39. 419 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,720 It was a prime opportunity. 420 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,920 They missed the moment. 421 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,240 No one's going to care. 422 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:37,240 Guess what guys, newsflash, WrestleMania 39 worked for the last time. 423 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,080 I don't want to hear anybody say that finish didn't work. 424 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,600 You know why? 425 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:48,760 That finish didn't work and nobody cared because we passed that point. 426 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,640 What we got this weekend on social media and the uprising would not have happened because 427 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,360 nobody cares. 428 00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,080 Right? 429 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:03,080 If nobody cared, they should be happy and elated we're getting rock and Roman, the dream 430 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,720 match, but that's not the case. 431 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,640 The case is people are completely upset because they feel like Cody got screwed again. 432 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,320 And you know what? 433 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:18,160 Whenever Cody gets his match with Roman and Cody wins his match against Roman, Cody wins 434 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,040 that title, it's going to work. 435 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:28,600 You guys are just proving what I said last year was that he wasn't ready in regards to 436 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,560 the crowd being behind him. 437 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,760 Because the other thing we got to look at, and I see a lot of conversation and we'll 438 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:36,760 get to like what's next. 439 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,320 I see a lot of conversation on they need to pivot. 440 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,920 WB needs to pivot. 441 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:42,920 They need to pivot. 442 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:48,440 Okay, they pivot and say they give you Cody and Roman. 443 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,000 And just to be spiteful, they have Roman beat Cody again. 444 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,680 Oh God. 445 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Would you rather let this play out the way they have it set now because Cody came out 446 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,720 again and said, I'm taking everything from you. 447 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,640 He's calling this shot. 448 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,440 You rather have wait to whenever that may be, or do you want Roman to stack Cody again, 449 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:20,840 pin him and now we're all sitting here pissed off because Cody was another sacrificial lamb. 450 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:27,000 That's my thing with that. 451 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,520 Let's talk about before we finish with the Cody and Roman stuff, there's still a lot 452 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,520 to digest. 453 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,880 E, pull up Roman's promo. 454 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,680 I want to play this one. 455 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,640 It's got the ether background music to it, which I think is incredible. 456 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,040 And if y'all were outside for ether when that came out. 457 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,040 You know what that's about. 458 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,640 Nas' diss against Jay-Z. 459 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:56,720 As I said earlier, Seth cut his promo on Monday, which we thought all was incredible. 460 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Talked about how that's the part-time belt. 461 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,040 Roman's the number one. 462 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,080 This is the workman's belt. 463 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,120 This is the number one belt in the business, et cetera, et cetera. 464 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:09,120 We all loved it. 465 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,400 Thought it was great. 466 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:18,300 Listen to this promo and I will say, and I'm sure you two agree, Seth's promo got under 467 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:19,300 Roman's skin. 468 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:26,760 There's a cadence to Roman when you can tell if he's legit irritated or has a legit emotion 469 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:27,760 about it. 470 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760 He had that cadence in his promo. 471 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,360 E, pull it up. 472 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:34,160 My little brother, Seth Rollins. 473 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,160 Exactly. 474 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:36,160 No pop. 475 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,160 He said he's got the title, the title. 476 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:48,000 So I had to think about it. 477 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:57,040 I'm like, didn't I beat everybody competing for that title? 478 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,640 Doesn't that make all them my number twos? 479 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,720 Shouldn't we call that the loser bracket title? 480 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:13,400 And then he had the audacity to say that he was the guy. 481 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:22,200 You can't be running around here for two years in your wives clothes and say you're the guy. 482 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,320 And then he wants to say he's a workhorse. 483 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:31,440 But three months in, he broke his back trying to carry that show. 484 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,920 Let me ask y'all this. 485 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,280 Do workhorses walk like this? 486 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,440 Hell yeah. 487 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:46,480 Hell no. 488 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,200 And then he wants to attack my schedule? 489 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,200 Oh, come on. 490 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280 This is simple. 491 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,080 I work less than you. 492 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,080 Yes. 493 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,080 That's true. 494 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,600 Actually, I work like 10 times less than you. 495 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,280 And I still make 10 times more than you. 496 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,800 So let me, I'll ask y'all. 497 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:14,600 You want Seth Rollins money or tribal chief money? 498 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:22,360 But see, Cody, he's an idiot. 499 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,400 He's got values and all that crap. 500 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,960 He don't really care about the money, I don't think. 501 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,480 So I'm going to break it down to him very simple. 502 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,480 This is simple math here. 503 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:37,360 Cody, I'm not going to beg you like the other guy. 504 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:47,400 You can either be the very best number two in this industry, or you can take a crack 505 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,400 at number one again. 506 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,400 It's your choice. 507 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,400 There it is. 508 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,920 Talk about maximizing your minutes. 509 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,080 He maximized those two minutes. 510 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Thoughts on that promo from Roman. 511 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:13,640 When you heard that promo, did you feel like he buried Seth more than what the story is 512 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,800 meant to be? 513 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,800 Not in the slightest. 514 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,600 The whole point of pro wrestling when you get on the mic is to go at each other. 515 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,040 You remember we talked about bringing us up, bringing people up. 516 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,880 You got to meet that or try to surpass it. 517 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,320 That was par for the course. 518 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,720 I loved Seth. 519 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:40,680 I thought Seth made probably the best point, debate in wrestling in a long time, just as 520 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,600 how he broke it down. 521 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:47,840 If Roman's calling himself God, God mode, he got to be able to meet that, match it or 522 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,040 beat it. 523 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,040 Completely par for the course. 524 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:56,520 Yeah, I mean, I thought it was just a good heel promo. 525 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,200 I don't think he did anything. 526 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:08,240 It's just that Roman's promo cut more. 527 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,880 Seth is a good promo. 528 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:15,400 Triple H, for instance, back in his day, I wasn't a fan of his promo style. 529 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,720 He was a guy who would go out there sometimes for 20 and 30 minutes talking. 530 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,800 Seth is one of those same guys. 531 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,040 He can carry a segment. 532 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,040 He's articulate. 533 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:32,560 He can talk, but he ain't like a battle promo guy. 534 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,080 Roman has turned into a battle promo guy. 535 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,520 His promo had a little bit more edge and teeth to it because he can do that. 536 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,240 To be honest with you, earlier in the show, I mean, you guys may not have saw it. 537 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:52,520 You guys were busy watching Barbie, but there was a video package with Seth talking about 538 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,520 the titles. 539 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,360 I saw it because he threw Sid in there for no reason. 540 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,640 Since when was... I know Sid used to like to play softball, Seth, but I ain't like that. 541 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,480 You can't go at one of my guys on my top 20 list in a negative way. 542 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,480 He threw Sid under the bus? 543 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:07,480 Yeah, I didn't appreciate that. 544 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:08,480 He threw quite a few. 545 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,960 All right, the Hogan stuff, I get. 546 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:12,960 I love that one. 547 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:13,960 Do that. 548 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:14,960 Let's be clear. 549 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,160 He started sniping a couple other guys, a couple other legends for no reason, right, 550 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,000 who aren't going to be part of this, have nothing to do with this. 551 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,000 I didn't like that. 552 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:30,320 I thought that promo was a bit much more so than what Roman was doing because Seth is 553 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,000 cutting down legends. 554 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,280 That's not going to be a defend themselves who we don't have any negative feelings about, 555 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,440 in order to make his championship seem more important or whatever. 556 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:47,360 If there's a negative, I thought Seth's video package was more negative than what Roman 557 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,360 was. 558 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,160 Roman was par for the course. 559 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,840 You know what was funny about the, without some of the stuff I was seeing too was, oh, 560 00:30:54,840 --> 00:31:00,400 Roman's promo completely made Seth's belt secondary. 561 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,040 Since when do we ever think it was not secondary? 562 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,040 Stop. 563 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,040 Stop. 564 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,040 Right? 565 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,040 Right. 566 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:14,680 In the inaugural of it, if that's even the right word to use there, we knew it was a 567 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,600 secondary belt because Roman wasn't defending his. 568 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,880 At all. 569 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:25,680 What I said on Monday, I said the reason why that promo that he cut with Cody was so genius 570 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:32,640 was because one, and I said this, it leaves a chance. 571 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:40,000 If we have to go Seth and Cody because rock enrollment happens, you got your package. 572 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,760 But then I said, even more so if we don't get that, he just made that belt more important 573 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440 than what it's been because he popped it up for anybody. 574 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,640 If it was going to be Gunther, anybody that he would have fought Drew, he made it feel 575 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,600 like this is the top prize in the WWE. 576 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,200 That doesn't change because of what Roman said. 577 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,760 Roman was just saying Satan facts the same way Seth was stating facts. 578 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,760 Roman was stating facts. 579 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:06,980 So I think some of this is maybe just some we're over Roman and we're tired of Roman. 580 00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:08,700 Some of that is what I'm seeing. 581 00:32:08,700 --> 00:32:14,220 And then the other thing I saw too, I want to get your guys thoughts on is this story 582 00:32:14,220 --> 00:32:15,580 doesn't make sense. 583 00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:17,800 There is no story with rock enrollment. 584 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:25,400 The story that has been put in place for the last two years is with Cody finishing the 585 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,920 story and beating Roman Reigns to just that part. 586 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,000 Story doesn't, there is no story with rock enrollment and the story for the last two 587 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,720 years have been set for Cody enrollment. 588 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,880 What's your guys thoughts on that? 589 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:44,640 I thought the story for Cody was to win a champion, a world championship. 590 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,640 That's what I thought the story was. 591 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,000 I thought even when I was asked, and I know he doesn't speak for all Cody fans, but I 592 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,200 thought it was just as long as he wins the championship. 593 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,160 The championship his dad didn't have, which is that's the belt that Roman is holding. 594 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Well technically his dad didn't have Seth's belt either, we're going to get technical. 595 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,920 So I get that part there as far as that there, the rock enrollment. 596 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,760 Then again, you just been, I was about to say something rude. 597 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:14,200 I just been living under a rock for the last, no pun intended, for the last however long. 598 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,040 But this is the biggest story. 599 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,440 This like transcends wrestling. 600 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,440 This is a family. 601 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:19,440 This is family wrestling. 602 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,480 This is everything tied in one. 603 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,280 What do you mean that this rock enrollment hasn't been rock enrollment has been out longer 604 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,360 than Cody Roman. 605 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,420 So the story as far as rock enrollment has been there. 606 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:40,360 The moment that Roman came into WWE under the shield and we knew that this was rocks 607 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:45,320 little cousin and he climbed the ladder. 608 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,040 We knew that this was a story that eventually somebody's going to have to be putting somebody 609 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,760 in their place. 610 00:33:55,760 --> 00:34:02,520 You know what our guy comrade, the mortgage guy, you know, we met him a couple of years 611 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,320 ago, really nice guy, a lot taller than I thought it was going to be too. 612 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:11,760 Really nice guy, but he said something on Twitter. 613 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:18,120 He said, these types of decisions is also why the audience skews older and older. 614 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:22,360 Like imagine how young kids were alienated that night. 615 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,400 Cody was their hero and the rock was their dad. 616 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,360 I mean, the rock was the guy that their dad watched, right? 617 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,480 Which kind of goes back to what Matt was saying about the audience and ages, things of that 618 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,480 nature. 619 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,040 Like, you know, Rock's last match was 10 years ago, right? 620 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,880 So while, you know, the late 30 and 40 plus crowd, like this might be a dream match for 621 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:41,880 us, right? 622 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,080 We get to relive our childhood again and see, you know, rock come and, you know, conquer 623 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:47,080 the world again. 624 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,320 You know, for another part of the audience, like for my kids, you know, for Brandon and 625 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,160 his son, this isn't a dream match for them. 626 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,800 Right, right? 627 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,840 And so this is where I got to go into like the Cody stuff, right? 628 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,880 Because you guys have been along for the ride, but you guys aren't really invested in the 629 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,360 ride. 630 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,720 And you can kind of tell by some of the language we use, right? 631 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:15,360 Following Cody and his journey and his story to get to this point, this is what the fans 632 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,360 want. 633 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,520 They, the fans want Cody in this position. 634 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:25,080 You think about something right now, like Cody has organically gained fan by fan over 635 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,600 the course of the two years he's been with the company. 636 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:33,680 We haven't seen anyone kind of get this positive momentum behind them in an extremely long 637 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,600 time, right? 638 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,760 And at the end of the day, people are people and people want what they want. 639 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,880 People like rock, right? 640 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,760 I like the rock, just not right now. 641 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,160 Rock and Roman made perfect sense a year ago, right? 642 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,320 For whatever happened, for every reason, it didn't happen, right? 643 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,200 But that was the time for it. 644 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:58,040 Right now doesn't seem like the right time for most people. 645 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,600 They're invested in an entirely different story and they wanted to see an entirely different 646 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,000 match and you can't fault those people for wanting what they want. 647 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,600 Cause at the end of the day, that's what we got into this business is not to understand 648 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:09,600 the business. 649 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,640 I didn't get into, I don't, I don't watch wrestling to understand the business, to get 650 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,280 the long goal. 651 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,400 I got into it because of characters and storylines and I'm invested in the specific character 652 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,280 and his story, right? 653 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,760 He got robbed last year. 654 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,560 Right now I was happy just for him to get a championship. 655 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,860 I want him to get a championship, but it seemed like the story was becoming bigger than that. 656 00:36:31,860 --> 00:36:38,620 And so he told an awesome story about, hi, I need to get my dad's title, which is ultimately 657 00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:42,440 the title that Roman actually currently holds. 658 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,640 So as a cancellation prize, I was okay, right? 659 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,680 Cause I'm okay with him winning another championship. 660 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,120 Cause I know the Rock and Roman is a match that I would like to see from a fan perspective. 661 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:58,600 But again, just not right now and not for Cody's sake. 662 00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,160 Right before you go, go ahead and take a note. 663 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,960 I know you got some things you want to say to think about. 664 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:10,440 So right now with the story, we got Rock who's being shoehorned into a main event title slot 665 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:17,360 two months before Mania with not necessarily, the story was there a year ago, not necessarily 666 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,840 the story is there now. 667 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,520 He made a statement on a show that had nothing to do with WWE. 668 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,440 He came back in a very bad promo of gender and made a comment. 669 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:34,920 That's not enough to unite a story from a year ago in place of a story that's already 670 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,240 in place now that people want to see for me. 671 00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:39,240 Right. 672 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,640 And a year ago we said that Cody didn't earn his shot, his position after years of hard 673 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:49,560 work outside of the company, won multiple matches inside the company, won a WrestleMania, 674 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,280 I'm sorry, won a Rumble to get to that position. 675 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,840 He still hadn't earned it, but we're okay with Rock just walking in, taking somebody's 676 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,640 spot and getting the Undisputed Championship match at Mania. 677 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,880 But see, I'm okay with that too, because as I said, this is wrestling. 678 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,680 Everybody gets title shots. 679 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:12,200 Jenner gets a title shot, Selena Vega, like a debut on wrestling, this is wrestling. 680 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,480 People were getting shots without earning them for years because how do you earn anything 681 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:17,480 in wrestling? 682 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,480 How do you earn anything? 683 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,960 People are, they're given opportunity. 684 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,040 And what it's about is these wrestlers making the most of the opportunities that they're 685 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,040 given. 686 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:29,960 And in WrestleMania, the Rock and Roman better make the most of this opportunity. 687 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,800 Because if they continue, this could be one of those things to where they can kind of 688 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,560 alienate the crowd, alienate their audience. 689 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,560 Right. 690 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:43,480 Because as I said earlier, the Rock ain't everybody's hero for a good portion of that 691 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,480 audience. 692 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,480 Cody is. 693 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:51,280 So he better make sure that they take care of him, give him a nice spot and a nice win. 694 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,280 Right. 695 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,800 Rock and Roman have a great match, which I hope they do. 696 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,280 Actually, I'm pretty confident that they will. 697 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,800 I think you have something to prove it if they have the match. 698 00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,800 Right. 699 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,120 Because nothing's been concrete and set in stone yet, if they have the match. 700 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:09,360 But what we don't want is to go back to Vince's WWE, where Vince was more concerned about 701 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,320 what he thought was best for business than what his audience wanted to actually see. 702 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:16,320 I mean, very well said. 703 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,120 I mean, you said a lot there that we could just take the entire pod on. 704 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:30,440 But just to, so my thought about what you just said is you are accurate around Rock 705 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,240 is being shoehorned. 706 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,480 I just go back to what I said, well, this is the biggest match in wrestling history. 707 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,640 If you got to shoehorn it to do it, you got to shoehorn it to do it. 708 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:49,160 I completely understand people's irritation with, as much as I joke on social media, as 709 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,240 much as I joke on the pod, I completely understand if Cody Rose was my, by far my number one 710 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,040 favorite wrestler and this happened. 711 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,120 No, I would never get up in arms the way people are because it's not that serious. 712 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,960 Because once again, he came out and said, I'm going to take everything from you. 713 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:11,080 And if he didn't say that, and this is Vince's old WWE where it's like, okay, we don't even 714 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,720 know if they're going to give him his shot at all. 715 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:15,720 Completely understand. 716 00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:18,400 But we're talking about the Rock and we're talking about Roman. 717 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,600 And for people to say, because my question to you guys initially was, what's your thoughts 718 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,760 about people saying this story doesn't make sense or there is no story. 719 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:32,240 This is what this entire Roman Reigns Hill Run has been leading up to. 720 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:38,360 Tribal chief, head of the table, Samoan dynasty. 721 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:45,480 This entire run has been about who is the number one person in that family. 722 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:51,440 And you cannot definitively get to who the number one is until the Rock, who is the number 723 00:40:51,440 --> 00:41:01,760 one wrestler, entertainer, performer from that entire family history until we get this 724 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,000 match. 725 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,600 So if we got to shoehorn it, then we just got to shoehorn it. 726 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,240 But for people to say that there is, that doesn't make sense and the story has been 727 00:41:11,240 --> 00:41:12,240 Roman and Cody. 728 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:17,240 I would argue if I had to argue, say we were in court and somebody said, Matt, you are 729 00:41:17,240 --> 00:41:24,240 tasked with arguing how Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes does not have a story. 730 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:27,200 I would win that argument. 731 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:32,120 Story was never about Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes. 732 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:39,120 The story is about Cody Rhodes in the championship that Roman Reigns has. 733 00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:46,120 We had a match last year at WrestleMania where Solo screwed Cody and Cody lost. 734 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,440 Like Solo and Jimmy and J.S. screwed everybody in the last two years when they fought Roman 735 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,440 Reigns. 736 00:41:52,440 --> 00:42:01,400 And then Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes don't touch, don't talk until they go face to face 737 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,880 at a Smackdown a few months ago and then until Cody playing at Roman at the end of the Royal 738 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:07,880 Rumble. 739 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,880 So tell me how is that a story? 740 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,640 It's not a story with Roman Reigns and Cody Rhodes. 741 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,280 I'm sure that's who we're going to get to over the next two months. 742 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:24,720 And WWE, what I will say, they have an incredible opportunity over these next two months to 743 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:33,240 make some of the most entertaining, engaging TV they've maybe ever done. 744 00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:39,200 Because in order to flip these fans, and I don't care if it's the vocal minority, whoever, 745 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,200 right? 746 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,200 These are the fans that go to Mania. 747 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,840 These are the fans that got tickets to the Raw after Mania, et cetera, et cetera, et 748 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:45,840 cetera. 749 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:52,000 In order for them to get them engaged properly, they're going to have to come up with a great 750 00:42:52,000 --> 00:43:00,080 follow up for Cody of why Cody really wants to take Seth's title or have that match. 751 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:07,760 Everybody's going to have to galvanize that fan base, albeit in real life, albeit on television. 752 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:15,720 And then you have to tell the story that all of us that really care about the tribal chief, 753 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,240 the head of the table storyline, you got to tell that in the next two months. 754 00:43:19,240 --> 00:43:21,040 You can't skip beats here. 755 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:25,040 Because when you get to Philadelphia, and Philadelphia is a hard sports town if you 756 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,000 don't know, and we know people fly in from all parts of the country and the world to 757 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:36,280 get to WrestleMania, but Philadelphia will boo their own sports teams when they are the 758 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,240 number one seed in whatever sport they're in. 759 00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:46,080 If they are having a bad game, throw snowballs at Eagles Stadium. 760 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:50,400 Heckle the hell out of the 76ers when they got in B, one of the most generational talents 761 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:51,960 we've seen in a long time. 762 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:58,920 Philadelphia is a rough beast, but they don't go in with all bullets loaded. 763 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,800 They can get nasty for that Roman and Rock match. 764 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:12,040 It can, but I really truly believe with the head creative that is there, even if this 765 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,480 wasn't Triple H's decision, right? 766 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,840 It sounds like it came from the TKO board and the Rock, whatever, whatever, whatever, 767 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,840 whatever. 768 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,680 They can make this work, but they got to hit the ground running. 769 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:24,200 The Rock was funny. 770 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:29,600 The latest in terms of numbers is that there are over 4 million views for this video that's 771 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:30,600 on YouTube. 772 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,120 I think it's got over 300,000 dislikes. 773 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:36,840 It's the most disliked video in WWE history. 774 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,760 The Rock put up, you know how the Rock gets down on social media, right? 775 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,560 He does awesome quotes, like the mana, the passion, the electricity. 776 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:46,560 I felt all of it. 777 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,560 He did all that, right? 778 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,840 That's what I went to bed to last night. 779 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:55,000 I wake up this morning to that same tweet and Instagram post, but at the bottom it was 780 00:44:55,000 --> 00:45:04,120 edited and he edited PS, tough skin, love the passion. 781 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,120 They hear it. 782 00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,520 He hears it. 783 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:12,320 Now, okay, get going. 784 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,840 Figure out how to appease the fan base. 785 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:21,040 And then you made a comment about Seth Betterwin against Seth. 786 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:28,920 I saw some things on social media surrounding, well, now that Cody's not facing Roman, put 787 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,240 one of the women's matches as the main event slot in one of the nights. 788 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:36,880 I'd never have a problem with women main eventing. 789 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,940 But once again, is it we just want Cody to beat Roman? 790 00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:47,040 Or do we want Cody to have his moment, a moment at WrestleMania? 791 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:52,280 You don't take Cody out of a main event slot because he's not going against Roman. 792 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,520 To me that then devalues Cody even more. 793 00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,160 I think people are, I'm thinking people are blurring the lines, like you said, because 794 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,360 I always thought that the story was Cody wins the world championship. 795 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,000 That's what I thought it was. 796 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,960 But now it's more of, I guess Roman's holding it. 797 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,520 So now it's that Roman is attached to the story. 798 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:18,080 Like you said, if you didn't put Cody second to last, then you are now devaluing Cody even 799 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,280 more like you just said. 800 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:21,280 Yep. 801 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:22,280 I agree. 802 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,280 I got Billy Mays. 803 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,280 Shout out to Billy Mays. 804 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,480 I'm going to tell a quick story about Billy Mays. 805 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:36,160 So I guess maybe even about a year ago, Billy Mays found us on Twitter and this Billy Mays 806 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,160 the third. 807 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:42,880 Hopefully everybody knows who Billy Mays is, the awesome infomercial salesperson back in 808 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,120 the day had the perfect beard, was selling like OxyClean, whatever. 809 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,920 If you watch like late night television, you saw Billy Mays. 810 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,880 So his son, Billy Mays the third hit us up in the DM and just said, Hey, I found you 811 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,740 guys awesome podcast, which we love them for. 812 00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:01,240 But it was so funny because what he could tell you, my biggest thing like years ago 813 00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:06,200 was if I hit the lottery, like my first purchase is like every infomercial. 814 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,680 Yeah, if I see infomercial, I'm going to just buy it. 815 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:15,320 And Billy Mays was of course the host of the majority of those infomercials. 816 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,720 Shout out to Billy Mays, the dad and the son. 817 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:20,320 But imagine, hold on, hold on. 818 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,000 Imagine trying to have sexy time and your husband's watching infomercials and talking 819 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,000 about let's buy this. 820 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,000 That was me. 821 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,000 That was me. 822 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,000 That was me. 823 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,880 But he asked a real question for the pod. 824 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,760 Is there any chance WWE is clever enough to do this on purpose? 825 00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:44,200 To try and inspire a yes movement type situation for Cody, which I thought was a great question. 826 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,440 Because I was what I was going to ask you guys before Billy even sent that question 827 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:52,360 in this morning was how does this compare to mania 30 with Brian Danielson? 828 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,480 So what's your guys thoughts? 829 00:47:54,480 --> 00:48:01,200 Is there any chance this is done on purpose to get Cody even more popular with the fan 830 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,280 base? 831 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:10,240 I have to say this is the yes because of what we have in them having a pivot when punk left. 832 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:16,020 This was probably the best that they can do with what the cards they were dealt. 833 00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:21,640 So yes, but by default. 834 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,480 I'm going to say yes to anything that keeps pushing Cody in a positive light. 835 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,480 To be honest with you. 836 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:33,240 Because as you said, this is a thing, I'm a super Rock fan. 837 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,280 Been a supporter of his forever. 838 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,800 I love to see a Black man in the position that he's in. 839 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,800 I think it's amazing. 840 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,440 But I want to also make sure, because this is what we need to do as a community. 841 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,600 I don't always do this in this pod, but as a Black community, especially the older Black 842 00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,620 community, we got to make sure we pull up the young Black people along with us. 843 00:48:52,620 --> 00:48:57,800 So Rock, make sure you pull that young Black man Cody Rose up with you. 844 00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:58,800 Okay? 845 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,400 You know, Cody's our same age though, right? 846 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,400 Cody's our same age. 847 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:03,400 No, I'm talking about Rock. 848 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:04,400 I'm talking about the Rock. 849 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,280 Yeah, the Rock's like 54, 53 or something like that. 850 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:13,320 Make sure Rock, as you continue to evolve yourself, as you pull up these young Black 851 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,080 men with you, make sure that you take care of Cody at Mania. 852 00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:25,360 Because we look at some articles that this change came from the Rock, right? 853 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:27,520 And TKO. 854 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,160 So you got the younger generation there saying, it's like, oh man, Rock pulling the power 855 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,160 play. 856 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,520 He put himself on at Mania in spite of our guy Cody. 857 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,440 So I will hope that Rocky, if he's making these kinds of decisions, he has a plan to 858 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,880 help support the young Black community. 859 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,880 And he's bringing him up with them, right? 860 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:56,560 So if this is another yes movement, I'm all forward. 861 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,080 Because I remember I was quite irritated back in the day with the treatment of Daniel Bryan. 862 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,080 Myself. 863 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,400 I mean, I actually almost started. 864 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,640 I remember Matt though, remember, but I remember I was so irritated. 865 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,680 I was in text and Matt called me and Jada felt like, oh, you gotta see the bit. 866 00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,640 Almost like he's doing to us right now. 867 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,840 You gotta see the bigger play. 868 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,560 I've called E a Jada fan once and it was around an EW thing. 869 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,080 Now every time there was something that happened in wrestling. 870 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,080 I like the narrative though. 871 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,080 Keep going with it. 872 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,080 Bro, what did you say? 873 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,080 You weren't in the cut. 874 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,680 Like anytime he gets, anytime he legit gets hot at me, he throws it in the Jada. 875 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,080 I can't believe you're just Jada of a fan, E. 876 00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,480 Hopefully you saved all your text messages. 877 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,480 Just go into the search. 878 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:40,480 You can go into the search bar and type a name in. 879 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:41,480 Just type in Jada. 880 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,920 You'll see it one time, probably from like three years ago from an AEW show, which we 881 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:46,920 can get to AEW after this. 882 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:51,240 I promised on Sunday or yeah, Wednesday's pod that we were going to talk about AEW on 883 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:52,240 this one. 884 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:58,600 Probably not in the light that I kind of wanted to, but I got a couple things on AEW. 885 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,880 And see with that, we'll continue that and we'll see who really is the AEW hater. 886 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:03,880 It ain't me. 887 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:04,880 It ain't me. 888 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:05,880 But yeah. 889 00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,960 I was like, man, look what they're doing to Danielson, man. 890 00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,000 It's the next big thing and I can't believe they're doing this. 891 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,080 Oh E, you got to understand the big picture. 892 00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:19,040 Just like right now, we got to understand the big picture. 893 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,520 The big picture is that the fans want who they want and we need to make sure we protect 894 00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:28,360 these people because we know how it was five years ago. 895 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,360 There was one guy. 896 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:34,880 There was one guy at the very top, whoever that was, if that was Roman or that was Cena, 897 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:39,360 then way down below there was somebody else and a whole bunch of other people who didn't 898 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,700 mean anything. 899 00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:44,000 We finally got people because Roman is Roman. 900 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,480 Roman is a generational talent. 901 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:47,480 He's amazing. 902 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:53,800 Anytime he pops on the screen, if it's once a year or two times, whatever he pops up on, 903 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,720 it's a special, it's a nice moment. 904 00:51:56,720 --> 00:52:01,760 But in between that time, when they're not on the show, when Roman's, they're not on 905 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,280 the show, we got Cody holding on to fourth. 906 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:10,320 So we got to make sure that these people are in positions, in important positions that 907 00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,320 people care about. 908 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:16,360 What we don't want to do is go back to how we were feeling at that Royal Rumble and St. 909 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,760 Louis when we didn't care about nobody that came out at that men's Royal Rumble match. 910 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,080 We don't want to go back to that. 911 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,520 So we need to make sure that the people, the wrestlers that are going to be on our TVs 912 00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:33,640 week after week that we're going to see on PLEs are protected and that they're continuously 913 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,080 in positions that keep us invested in them. 914 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,080 I think we are. 915 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,080 Right? 916 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,280 So if you think about, just take Cody. 917 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:42,680 Cody has been protected. 918 00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:46,240 Yeah, we're not getting that final piece. 919 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:47,240 That is a big part to it. 920 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:48,240 I get that. 921 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:54,720 That is a massive part is getting that final win or end of the chapter or end of the book, 922 00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:55,920 end of the story. 923 00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:56,960 That keeps getting pushed. 924 00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,960 But it's also not like he's being thrown to the side until we get to that point. 925 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,960 So the difference with- 926 00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:02,960 And that's the difference. 927 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,960 Yeah, Brian, right. 928 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,960 It was because of that. 929 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:05,960 Correct. 930 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:06,960 They buried Brian. 931 00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:07,960 They're not marrying Cody. 932 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,160 The difference was they never had plans for Brian to be anything legit. 933 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,760 That B plus player thing was how he was looked at behind the scenes. 934 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,160 That's the difference from the Brian Names and Yes movement and this. 935 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,000 And I remember, of course it's all fun and games and the whole Jada thing. 936 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:26,040 That was the only time I had ever sent a- 937 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,480 Actually, I think I sent an email to WWE. 938 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,480 It was after Elimination Chamber. 939 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,480 I don't know this story. 940 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,720 It was after Elimination Chamber and he lost again. 941 00:53:39,720 --> 00:53:42,720 And they showed the crowd being dejected. 942 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:48,280 It was like they were almost putting it in our face that you're not getting what you 943 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:49,280 want. 944 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,040 And they still at that point had no plans on adding Brian to the main event of Mania. 945 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,160 I just remember sending the email. 946 00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,160 I just remember I was like, look, I'm sure you guys got a ton of these, but you probably 947 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:05,080 really need to watch how you're treating your talent to something like this because this 948 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,000 could alienate your fans and some of them could leave. 949 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,600 And I think some of them may have, but he got his moment after that. 950 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:18,200 But that's the only time where I've been invested and I really wasn't- I wanted Brian, of course, 951 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,440 but I was so invested in seeing what the fan base wanted. 952 00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,320 And I'm like, how can you not see? 953 00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,600 Because if you guys remember that Mania events was hell been on Ordin against Batista as 954 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,640 the main event and nobody wanted that. 955 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,280 That's the difference I think with this in the rock. 956 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,800 There are millions of people that are interested and want to see Rock and Roman. 957 00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:45,640 Now maybe those millions aren't invested in seeing Rock and Roman more than Cody and Roman, 958 00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,920 but there's millions of people that want to see Rock and Roman. 959 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,420 I'm going to speak for all the Cody fans right now. 960 00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:54,600 We want Rock and Roman, just not right now. 961 00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,120 Just not at Cody's expense. 962 00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,120 That's the difference. 963 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:03,480 And so at the end of the day, which was a hell of a conversation we just had, we almost 964 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,840 went an hour on this. 965 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,840 No way. 966 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,280 Yeah, but at the end of the day, I think Cody's going to be fine. 967 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,760 I'm sorry, Cody will be fine. 968 00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,040 Cody will get stamped. 969 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,360 Cody will be the guy. 970 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,480 Now Cody's going to take everything from Roman. 971 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:23,600 Maybe that wasn't a plan in the first place, but WWE has a incredible opportunity starting 972 00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:33,460 on Monday of telling the story to try to repair why Cody won the Rumble, why he pointed to 973 00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:38,160 Roman, why he backtracking what he said on Smackdown. 974 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,160 We got time to clean it up. 975 00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:45,760 Once again, we got two months and this may look like a blip in the radar in two months 976 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,960 after we see everything that's presented in front of us. 977 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:56,880 Lean in super heavy to this entire bloodline story for Rock and Roman. 978 00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,760 You're going to get the people invested on that. 979 00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,760 That you're not going to have to worry about. 980 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,240 Now you just got to worry about taking care of Cody. 981 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:07,880 And I also thought, where do you place Cody at at main event? 982 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,600 We don't have to have this conversation now. 983 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:14,400 Yes, the big piece is you would want him to main event night one. 984 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:19,760 But to the point of what I said earlier about people who bought tickets to WrestleMania 985 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,960 and typically they're combos. 986 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,520 You get some people that buy only one. 987 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:24,520 I get that. 988 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,360 But say if I bought night two tickets, because night two was where I know Cody Rose is going 989 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:31,480 to win the championship. 990 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,960 Cody Rose is on night one for a championship title. 991 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:44,140 Do you even play with doing something with Cody on night two to try to maybe quell any 992 00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:49,760 of the negativity of Rock Roman as a main event? 993 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,760 Only if it makes sense. 994 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,120 I don't think that they should try to put them there and then try to build backwards 995 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,120 for it. 996 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,880 I think that it would have to be like, it would only make sense to have his presence 997 00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:59,880 on night two. 998 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:08,040 Again, we're assuming Rock Roman is main eventing night two at this point. 999 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,720 Like fans, we always figure it out. 1000 00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:12,680 We always get to the things that we want when we want to get it. 1001 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:13,680 I think it'll be fine. 1002 00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,960 I think the WWE needs to make sure that they take care of the fans. 1003 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:24,280 Make sure that they're creating moments that they're generally know that the fans are going 1004 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,400 to be invested into. 1005 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,520 Whatever that's going to be, whatever that looks like. 1006 00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,640 I think Cody plays a big part of that and they celebrate that. 1007 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:37,520 They should celebrate that they have a superstar that people are behind and continue to again, 1008 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:38,520 uplift those people. 1009 00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:46,400 But hey, if Rock and Roman is to go, make that as special as it can be. 1010 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,400 I think it will be. 1011 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,320 Because Rock is always... 1012 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,760 I can't tell you, Matt Rhodesia, my favorite Rock match. 1013 00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:56,560 I can't tell you that. 1014 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,280 But I've always enjoyed The Rock and he's always been one of my favorite wrestlers. 1015 00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:06,560 So whatever he does in that ring is always enough to keep me invested in him as a character. 1016 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,720 I know that. 1017 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:10,720 It's kind of in my mind. 1018 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,880 I kind of want to say that I believe that Rhodesia said that Roman is the worst main 1019 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,920 event wrestler in the history of the company. 1020 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,920 Something like that. 1021 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:17,920 I can't stand his matches. 1022 00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:19,600 Remember I said I can't because he works slow. 1023 00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:21,760 Remember, I don't like slow matches. 1024 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,760 He just works slow. 1025 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:23,760 Yeah. 1026 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:24,760 I was so surprised by that. 1027 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,360 I think I kind of blocked the half out of my mind. 1028 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:32,840 But with that being said, I think the two of them can make magic in the ring. 1029 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:38,080 So hey, look, if that's what they think is best for business or whatever the case may 1030 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,080 be, cool. 1031 00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:43,840 Have your best for business moment, but also make sure that you take care of them fans. 1032 00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:44,840 100%. 1033 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,920 Lastly on Cody, and I love Cody Ford. 1034 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,720 So Cody, don't change, but change. 1035 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,180 Cody's got to get a better poker face. 1036 00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:54,180 He does. 1037 00:58:54,180 --> 00:58:58,440 I love he doesn't have a good poker face because it means that much to him. 1038 00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:03,000 And it's different from I'm sure having a poker face in a worked environment, i.e. 1039 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,360 I'm about to drop the title tonight. 1040 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:09,720 I'm not winning the title tonight, opposed to what we've seen them have to go through 1041 00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,720 over the last few weeks. 1042 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:16,360 I told you guys weeks ago when he came out and he cut that promo against Shinsuke when 1043 00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,080 The Rock had just come back or said something, he dropped the head of the table. 1044 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,480 I was like, man, he looks stressed and ain't got nothing to do with Shinsuke. 1045 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,000 Number one, poor guy, they shot to Cody walking to the ring before his main event segment. 1046 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,800 He tried to do his little smile. 1047 00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:35,240 He looked like Pharaoh got lost backstage and they couldn't find him. 1048 00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,520 He looked like he was so dejected. 1049 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,140 They showed him in the ring. 1050 00:59:39,140 --> 00:59:44,360 He walked away to East Point and he just looked like, what is happening to me? 1051 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,360 You'll be all right, man. 1052 00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:46,360 I promise you, you'll be all right. 1053 00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:47,360 But I like that about him. 1054 00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,200 Like you said, keep it, but don't keep doing it. 1055 00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:51,200 Change, but don't change. 1056 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,200 I mean, it's- 1057 00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,200 Change, but don't change. 1058 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,200 Yeah. 1059 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,200 He's genuinely in himself. 1060 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,560 So he's a strong black brother. 1061 00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,680 Hey, Cody, I'm taking your spot. 1062 01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:01,680 Deal with it. 1063 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:09,160 I do wonder what, like I said, cause that moment was real with him and rocking the ring. 1064 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:14,720 I wonder, was it more of like your dad would be proud or was it more like your dad never 1065 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:15,720 got it done either? 1066 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:16,720 Get the fuck out my ring. 1067 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,720 Okay. 1068 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:18,720 You know what I mean? 1069 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:19,720 Like I just kind of wonder- 1070 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,720 Wow. 1071 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,520 Just when we thought we would bring it all full circle. 1072 01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:23,520 Kind of just wondered which way- 1073 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:24,520 He had to just go again. 1074 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:25,520 I'm just asking. 1075 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:26,520 I'm just asking. 1076 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,520 All right. 1077 01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:31,520 Actually really quick too, before we move on to, we got to talk Bailey. 1078 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,520 E, ask you if you saw enough, cause you were complaining about where they were in the storyline. 1079 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,080 Billy also sent us his top 20 list. 1080 01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,520 He actually sent that earlier in the week. 1081 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:40,720 He said he knows he was a little bit late. 1082 01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,840 I do want to go over his top 20 real quick. 1083 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,840 It's a really strong top 20. 1084 01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:47,360 20 is Razor Ramone. 1085 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,640 19 is Bailey. 1086 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,280 18 is Mr. Perfect. 1087 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,800 17 is Becky Lynch. 1088 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:59,840 Then he has Orton, Biggie, Seth Rollins, Brian Danielson, Bam Bam Bigelow, which I popped 1089 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:00,840 forward. 1090 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:02,840 E, did you have Bam Bam on yours? 1091 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,800 I don't think so. 1092 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:05,800 He said he thought maybe you had yours. 1093 01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:06,800 I was like, I don't think so. 1094 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,960 I was honestly, I was a Bam Bam Bigelow fan though. 1095 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,000 I remember the first time I saw him in WWF at the time. 1096 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,880 All right, this big dude doing moon salts? 1097 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:15,880 I was a big fan of it. 1098 01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:16,880 With the fire tattoo. 1099 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,280 Dude, like he was so above. 1100 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:20,880 He's somebody that was like way before his time. 1101 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,720 Like him and Too Cold Scorpio. 1102 01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:29,520 Those are two, like if you could have maybe pushed them like a decade farther ahead, they 1103 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:30,520 would have been much bigger than what they were. 1104 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,320 He was a guy who I'd never, who never accomplished what I thought he would accomplish. 1105 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:35,320 Especially when I first saw him. 1106 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,040 I'm like, oh, this dude is going to be big, right? 1107 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,280 But he never hit it big. 1108 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,280 Yep. 1109 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,600 So he had Bam Bam at 12. 1110 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:44,600 He has the rock at 11. 1111 01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:47,320 So that's actually the lowest that he has. 1112 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,000 Ooh. 1113 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,720 You know what, Billy, you got to tell me how you feel about this. 1114 01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:57,480 The whole rock and Cody of it all, because he has rock 11. 1115 01:01:57,480 --> 01:01:58,480 He has Cody 8. 1116 01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:59,480 Wow. 1117 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,000 So he actually has Cody higher on his list than the rock. 1118 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,200 So he has rock 11, AJ Styles 10, Rhea 9, which is fantastic. 1119 01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,440 You think about just how young Rhea is in the game. 1120 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:18,720 Cody 8, Roman 7, Kurt Angle 6, Randy Savage 5, Austin 4, Adi Guerrero 3, and then he has 1121 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,400 Rhea 0.3, Shawn Michaels 2, Bret Hart number 1. 1122 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,400 That's a hell of a list. 1123 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:27,920 And he said, I'll probably change my mind on a lot of these on evening of the week. 1124 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:28,920 We all do, brother. 1125 01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,920 Don't feel bad. 1126 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:30,920 Don't feel bad. 1127 01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:36,800 So Bailey, you have been really adamant on, the story's not where it needs to be. 1128 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,800 She's not sympathetic as she wouldn't be yet. 1129 01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:43,840 They could have easily gotten to the Rumble without having her win or the Mania match 1130 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,600 without having her win the Rumble. 1131 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:51,080 I thought they had a fantastic segment on SmackDown Friday to get to that point. 1132 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,400 I think in just like that, she's back to being a simple sympathetic baby face. 1133 01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:00,400 What's your thoughts now on Bailey's character in the arc of where they are with the story? 1134 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:01,400 Yeah, absolutely. 1135 01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:06,200 But before I do that, I want to go back to the top 20 and I want to go, I want to recant 1136 01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,160 back on my statement about Derrick's top 20. 1137 01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,160 Was it Derrick? 1138 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:11,160 He's recanting? 1139 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:12,640 Oh, we were recanting. 1140 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:13,640 Okay. 1141 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:15,680 What did you say or what happened? 1142 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,880 Well, I remember Matt pulling his pants down on Deuce and Domino a little bit. 1143 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,240 I kind of joined in on it. 1144 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,040 I think Deuce's Domino was like number 20 or something like that. 1145 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,240 No, I didn't say that. 1146 01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:29,360 I just thought it was great that he had Deuce and Domino on his top 20 list. 1147 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:30,360 That's all. 1148 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,080 No, I think you pulled your pants down on me. 1149 01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,360 I joined in a little bit, but you know, but during the course of the conversation, I'm 1150 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,760 like, ah, actually they had a hell of a finisher. 1151 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:41,560 Oh, it's two people? 1152 01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:42,800 It was a tag team. 1153 01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,800 No, it was a tag team. 1154 01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:44,800 Right? 1155 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:45,800 Deuce and Domino. 1156 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:46,800 Got it. 1157 01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:47,800 Okay. 1158 01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:48,800 Yeah. 1159 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,040 Deuce was Jimmy Snooker's son, actually. 1160 01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,600 It's like Tom and Nick. 1161 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:53,600 Okay, got it. 1162 01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,920 And Domino was another guy. 1163 01:03:54,920 --> 01:04:00,240 They had this really cool finisher because Domino would kind of do a snap mirror and 1164 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,000 put the opponent in a seated position. 1165 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,440 And then Deuce would run, bounce off the rope, and do a hella boot to the face. 1166 01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,280 I thought that would look so cool. 1167 01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:15,680 And actually to this day, I have that as one of my signature moves in my 2K signature. 1168 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,120 That's cool. 1169 01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:20,200 This all came to my mind as we were doing the conversation. 1170 01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,560 I was just so tired and sick at the end of the conversation. 1171 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,320 I couldn't interject anymore. 1172 01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,840 But my bad, Derek, I kind of get it. 1173 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,480 I love the finisher as well. 1174 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,440 But back to Bailey. 1175 01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,200 Yeah, Bailey, she did well for herself. 1176 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,200 It was a nice promo. 1177 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,640 Showed a lot of character, but I'm still not there with it. 1178 01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:42,360 I'm still not there with her. 1179 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:47,880 Or I think that another big part, I haven't mentioned it, but I think that her championship 1180 01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,680 reign has been underwhelming. 1181 01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,160 I don't think that she has been the focus of the women's division on the SmackDown 1182 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:54,160 side. 1183 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:58,040 She hasn't been the focus of interest in that group, actually. 1184 01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,720 She's kind of blended in a little bit too much. 1185 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:03,680 I would say that she's had one of the weakest women's title reigns that I've seen in some 1186 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:04,680 time. 1187 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:05,800 And that's to a fault of hers. 1188 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:10,840 I don't think they put her in a position to make her reign seem important. 1189 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:17,600 So since Bailey has been such a comedy figure for most of her tenure the past year and a 1190 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:23,440 half, I'm still not ready to think that this is a main event WrestleMania caliber match 1191 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,440 yet. 1192 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:30,680 I mean, they got a lot of work to do to make Io, to be quite honest, a credible champion. 1193 01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:33,920 She's almost like a secondary champion at this point. 1194 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:40,760 I would say that Rhea has the world swimming championship and Io's title reign has kind 1195 01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,480 of been like the United States championship. 1196 01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,000 Not even the IC title that Guthur has right now. 1197 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,160 I would say the United States championship. 1198 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:51,480 That's how unimportant I think that her title reign has been. 1199 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:52,480 And that's not her fault. 1200 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,600 It's the way that she's been booked. 1201 01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,480 She's not the leader or the standout in that group. 1202 01:05:58,480 --> 01:05:59,480 It's Bailey. 1203 01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,080 Bailey, and Dakota talks for him. 1204 01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:06,160 She kind of just melts into the middle of the other two girls. 1205 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,080 So time will tell. 1206 01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:09,800 But yeah, I'm still not into it yet. 1207 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,040 Radeeja, give your thoughts. 1208 01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:12,280 But just one statement on that. 1209 01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,960 I think Io's reign has been better than Rhea's reign. 1210 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,120 Okay, so we talk about reigns, sure. 1211 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,320 I would say Io reign is better than Rhea's reign. 1212 01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,320 What's better about it? 1213 01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:24,320 Rhea is just- 1214 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,440 The matches and the storylines. 1215 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:28,400 When she's had matches, the build is up to it. 1216 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,680 Rhea only has how many title matches? 1217 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:31,680 Not many. 1218 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:32,680 She's only had like three or four. 1219 01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:33,680 Yeah, so she hasn't had many. 1220 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,760 And all those matches you just knew for a fact, she wasn't even going to lose to. 1221 01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,760 Yeah. 1222 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,120 So the reign itself is just different. 1223 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:44,720 The character Rhea is just so beyond everything right now that we're seeing. 1224 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,280 So to compare those two, I see where you would say one was the heavyweight and one is the 1225 01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:50,280 US belt. 1226 01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,440 Well, I say her reign is underwhelming. 1227 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:54,440 Maybe. 1228 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,440 Maybe. 1229 01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,480 I would probably say it's a little bit underwhelming. 1230 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,800 I remember when she first won the title, how much I popped, how excited I was. 1231 01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:07,440 Will I say that this is the best run Io could have had? 1232 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,840 Probably not, but I'm just all there for just Bailey and Io. 1233 01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:16,360 I think that Bailey is going to get her just do what she is so far in that this match is 1234 01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,240 going to just be incredible. 1235 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,240 Main event spot? 1236 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,040 No, because we already talking about where Cody's going to land at. 1237 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:27,260 But if we could build to it and if it makes sense, like I know you mentioned Matt about 1238 01:07:27,260 --> 01:07:33,680 what WWE has to do now starting Monday, they're charged with making sure that these main event 1239 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:39,120 stories, everyone is going to be engaged, whether you hate it or love it, but you're 1240 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,120 engaged. 1241 01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,000 They're charged to make these things make sense. 1242 01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,080 But if we can get Bailey and Io to that level, which I hope they could, I wouldn't mind seeing 1243 01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,420 them in the main event. 1244 01:07:47,420 --> 01:07:52,360 On the Rhea side of things, do we have a front runner so far yet outside of the rumors of 1245 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:53,360 Becky? 1246 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:54,360 Becky! 1247 01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:55,360 That's the match. 1248 01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,360 Nothing's happened that I missed last week. 1249 01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:58,360 No, no, no. 1250 01:07:58,360 --> 01:07:59,360 I mean, because they still got to get through a chamber. 1251 01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,040 Remember, she's still got to, I still have her, remember I have her fight Nia as the 1252 01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,400 main event in her home country. 1253 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:06,400 That's right. 1254 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,440 And then we get to Becky and her. 1255 01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:14,480 You know, there's an outside chance of Bianca and Rhea. 1256 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:15,480 I just don't think you do that. 1257 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:20,240 I think the smart money this year is to tag Jade and Bianca. 1258 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:24,160 We can talk about that on the next pot on what you guys would really want to see Jade 1259 01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:25,720 do at this year's Mania. 1260 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,200 I'm seeing a lot of Bianca versus Jade. 1261 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:29,200 I think that's way too soon. 1262 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,920 And not even just from her talent, Jade's like readiness. 1263 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,160 I think that could be an easy night to main event of Mania down the line. 1264 01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:41,000 You do not hot shot that match at all. 1265 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:46,720 You let that time breathe and imagine them taking on Kabuki Warriors, which match would 1266 01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:51,480 be incredible between Bianca and Jade and the Kabuki Warriors. 1267 01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,920 Have Asuka and what's her name? 1268 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,920 Kyrie. 1269 01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,120 Kyrie just bump all over the place for them, put on a great match. 1270 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,720 And then you let them run with those titles for like, you know, nine, 10 months. 1271 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:07,720 And then if you want to have that as one of the main events next year, cool, do it. 1272 01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,360 But that's just, it's too soon. 1273 01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:11,360 Too soon. 1274 01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:12,360 But I loved it. 1275 01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,320 I thought Bailey, her speaking in Japanese was great. 1276 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:16,320 Oh yeah. 1277 01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:24,360 Like once again, I snapped my finger because we all can appreciate and connect to why you 1278 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:25,960 guys like this. 1279 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,720 I just wanted this and all you do is talk behind my back. 1280 01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,440 Why are you like, why? 1281 01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:32,440 Everybody can connect to that. 1282 01:09:32,440 --> 01:09:37,360 So no matter what else is done, it was just that easy just to flip Bailey and we all love 1283 01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:38,560 Bailey at the end of the day. 1284 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,920 The one thing I will say, the hate, the hate on that. 1285 01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,920 Them pipe shots, some of them just wasn't there. 1286 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:46,920 Come on Bailey. 1287 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:47,920 They could take it. 1288 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,600 Some of them, I'm like, come on. 1289 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,960 It looked like she was hitting them with a paper towel. 1290 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:54,960 You know, like the roll when it's over. 1291 01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:55,960 It could have been. 1292 01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:56,960 Spray painting. 1293 01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,960 It could have been there just a little bit more. 1294 01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:01,960 It could have been there a little bit more. 1295 01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:03,320 But yeah, I loved it. 1296 01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:04,320 I loved it. 1297 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:07,920 And I think too, I put a tweet out that that got lost. 1298 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:12,860 Of course in the whole Rock, Roman, Cody thing, they'll make sure it's not with video packages 1299 01:10:12,860 --> 01:10:15,080 and all that, but they're on their way. 1300 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:18,480 They are well on the way now with that story. 1301 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:24,280 Before we get to a AW Okada, which I guess maybe it could be connected to a W or WDB 1302 01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:25,840 depending on who you believe. 1303 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,760 He is a free agent as a three days ago, I believe. 1304 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,480 And there is talks that it is like 50 50 right now. 1305 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:33,480 I don't believe that. 1306 01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:36,920 I believe he's going to a W. 1307 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,880 But there is confirmed conversations he's had with WWE. 1308 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:46,280 I know there are WWE wrestlers that have stated that Okada has reached out to them to ask 1309 01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,500 him how work is there, the environment, etc, etc. 1310 01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:52,240 We know the connection he already has an AW with the Bucks. 1311 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:56,840 He's already worked with Tony Khan, etc, etc. 1312 01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:03,920 I think the three of us from a product perspective would like him to be in WWE. 1313 01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,300 There's more mew in the bone. 1314 01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:08,920 If he goes to WWE, he's gonna be fine wherever he goes and make the most money he's ever 1315 01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:09,920 made. 1316 01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:16,280 He's gonna be more popular to the US fan base than he's ever been. 1317 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:22,520 What's the percentage you guys are giving him to actually land in WWE? 1318 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:23,520 I say 15%. 1319 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,320 I mean, I don't know. 1320 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:28,320 It's 50 50. 1321 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:32,920 I mean, but my personal taste, I would like to see him go to WWE. 1322 01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:40,920 I think I don't think I don't know if he I don't think he would mean as much to AW right 1323 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:43,520 now as presently constructed. 1324 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,400 I will love in the best world for me. 1325 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:52,480 I like to see him go WWE and them to get a personal English tutor so he can speak the 1326 01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:53,480 language. 1327 01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:55,480 They have him down in NXT. 1328 01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:56,480 Yeah. 1329 01:11:56,480 --> 01:12:01,160 Well, yeah, this somebody even when he gets to the main roster, somebody just keeps working 1330 01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,160 with them. 1331 01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:03,600 And then something like with the drudgy, right? 1332 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,480 Because the Johnny Johnny actually speaks English pretty well. 1333 01:12:07,480 --> 01:12:11,160 His accent is just so thick, right? 1334 01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,680 And I don't know if he's tried it, but you know, there's coaches that can work on, you 1335 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:20,840 know, your enunciation and kind of listening to accent so he can make make you sound more 1336 01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:21,840 clear. 1337 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,000 I don't know if he's doing that, but I would love this to have those people around the 1338 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:32,440 corner because if he can articulate himself on the microphone, he will be such a big deal. 1339 01:12:32,440 --> 01:12:34,680 But he looks like a star. 1340 01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,880 We talked about like, no, Jay looks like a star. 1341 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,080 Like, I'll kind of looks like a star. 1342 01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,080 He's a good looking guy. 1343 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,080 He's tall. 1344 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:42,080 He has the blonde hair. 1345 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:43,080 He can go in a ring. 1346 01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:49,280 I mean, I would love to see matches with him and Cody and Seth and then no Roman. 1347 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,840 I mean, the list just goes on and on. 1348 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:55,600 I think he just would be a big deal if they get the right team behind them. 1349 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:57,720 And with that, that machine behind them. 1350 01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:58,720 Wow. 1351 01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:59,720 Yep. 1352 01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:00,720 It would be fun. 1353 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,720 Like I got him going to AEW. 1354 01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:03,360 Even AEW was going to be a good run for him. 1355 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,320 He's gonna have great matches. 1356 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:11,540 But man, could you imagine if the coin drop hits at Mania out of nowhere? 1357 01:13:11,540 --> 01:13:14,360 That would be like, wow, that would be fantastic. 1358 01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:19,280 My only worry with him coming to WWE though is right now because this is again, great 1359 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,980 time to be alive, especially in WWE. 1360 01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:24,200 There's so many people at the top. 1361 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:31,360 So just like how I feel, maybe he'll get lost in WWE unless they make him like a spectacle 1362 01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:34,600 and you only see him so often. 1363 01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:42,800 I just don't see how in today, right now, 2024, how he would be able to survive in WWE 1364 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,560 with so many heavy hitters up at the top. 1365 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:48,360 No, no, there's spots for him. 1366 01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:49,360 There's spots for him. 1367 01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,220 But to the level where I would want Okada to be. 1368 01:13:52,220 --> 01:13:55,520 So like for a normal contract, how long are these contracts? 1369 01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:01,920 So like if he signed a TK, Tony Khan, how long would he be signed for? 1370 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:02,920 Five year deals, right? 1371 01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:03,920 Yeah. 1372 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:08,160 Well, because WWE started doing five years when AEW signed their TV contract. 1373 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,160 That really started the five. 1374 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,840 But typically you get anywhere between three to five. 1375 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:11,840 It's kind of like the sixth five. 1376 01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:12,840 So three? 1377 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:13,840 Yeah. 1378 01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:14,840 Okay. 1379 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:15,840 Okay. 1380 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,400 But we know Mercedes is coming, which I know I'm excited for in her and AEW. 1381 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,800 I know he is not. 1382 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:22,800 I brought up NXT earlier. 1383 01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,320 Of course, NXT, PLE is tonight. 1384 01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,760 We'll talk a little bit about that on Wednesday show. 1385 01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,720 Congrats and shout out to Tiffany Stratton. 1386 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,720 Yay. 1387 01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:33,480 She's officially on SmackDown. 1388 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:34,480 Yes. 1389 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:40,280 Shout out and congratulations to who else from NXT is now on SmackDown 2. 1390 01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:44,960 I know Naomi, Naomi, Naomi is on SmackDown. 1391 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:45,960 They tease Brownbreaker. 1392 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:46,960 We'll see where he goes. 1393 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:47,960 We'll be going somewhere. 1394 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:48,960 Yeah. 1395 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:49,960 Yeah. 1396 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:50,960 It's just so funny. 1397 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:57,000 I mean, after the rumble, how WWE officials were so impressed and blown away by people 1398 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,720 like Brownbreaker and Tiffany Stratton. 1399 01:14:58,720 --> 01:14:59,720 Who are these people? 1400 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,600 Because like, do they not watch NXT? 1401 01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:04,740 Like I understand like you're busy, right? 1402 01:15:04,740 --> 01:15:09,640 But how did you see Tiffany Stratton at the rumble and not know who Tiffany Stratton was 1403 01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:10,640 before that? 1404 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,920 Maybe she ain't done on NXT TV for the last year. 1405 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,840 Maybe they hear the rumblings, but now they're actually seeing it. 1406 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,080 So you can hear somebody say, oh, this person has so much potential. 1407 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,080 They're coming up. 1408 01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:26,200 But now you see how they actually carry themselves walking out to the ring, performing in the 1409 01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,200 ring, how they are backstage. 1410 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,640 And then you're actually seeing what you're hearing. 1411 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,080 And then if they're living up to those expectations, it makes them feel even better about those 1412 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,080 people. 1413 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,080 So maybe that's what it is. 1414 01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:37,080 It was the Rock. 1415 01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,080 It was the Rock. 1416 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,080 Rock's seen these guys now. 1417 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,080 He's calling shots now. 1418 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:41,080 He's changing rec, many main events. 1419 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,080 Let's go. 1420 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:43,080 He's calling people up now too. 1421 01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:47,840 So wait, so if Roman is the one, then what do we call Rock? 1422 01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,440 Or is that kind of what we kind of are fighting for right now? 1423 01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:51,440 No, Rock is zero. 1424 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,560 No, no, Rock is zero. 1425 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:59,440 He's calling shots. 1426 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:00,440 He's calling shots. 1427 01:16:00,440 --> 01:16:01,440 Roman ain't doing that. 1428 01:16:01,440 --> 01:16:02,440 He's sitting at home clicking the test. 1429 01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:06,640 So what you're telling me is Roman's the head of the table and the Rock is the head of 1430 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,640 the table. 1431 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:08,640 Is that what you're saying? 1432 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,440 You put like capital T, capital H, capital E. 1433 01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:11,440 Oh yeah. 1434 01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:13,360 The story legit is there. 1435 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,400 Who's legit head of the table, right? 1436 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,360 It's the Rock. 1437 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:19,360 It's the Rock. 1438 01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:20,360 I think so too. 1439 01:16:20,360 --> 01:16:22,360 That's what we were fighting for. 1440 01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,560 But the Rock is not going to win against Roman. 1441 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:25,760 Let's be very clear about that. 1442 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:30,200 Roman's going to win, but no, Rock is the head of the table. 1443 01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,400 And I wouldn't be surprised if the Rock wins that match. 1444 01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:33,600 We'll get off of that. 1445 01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,600 We'll talk about it. 1446 01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:35,600 Okay. 1447 01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:36,600 Yep. 1448 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:38,560 We'll talk about it in the next couple of episodes and I'll give you my reason why. 1449 01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,200 So AEW, let's talk about that real quick. 1450 01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:44,560 I want to bring up one, I'm happy that Raking's are back. 1451 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,040 The Raking's debuted after Dynamite, Tony Khan tweeted them out. 1452 01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,520 I was a fan of the Raking's until I wasn't. 1453 01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:56,960 And what I mean by that is the Raking's really worked in the beginning couple of years with 1454 01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:02,960 AEW to make sure that Tony Khan had a vision. 1455 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:10,120 He stuck to what he should have stuck to with the people that were getting hot. 1456 01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:16,840 But what happened was the Raking's then became a crutch and, oh, we need to get Danny Garcia 1457 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:23,280 hot, throw him on dark three weeks in a row and say he's on a four win win streak. 1458 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:27,760 We put him one match on Dynamite and now he's number one contender for a belt. 1459 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,440 That started happening way too often. 1460 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:36,000 Now that there is no Dynamite or dark elevation, I'm hoping that this helps structure their 1461 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,000 product better. 1462 01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,760 What's your guys thoughts on the Raking's coming back? 1463 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:45,960 I'm not a super big fan of it to be honest with you. 1464 01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:53,320 Like I say, I don't think it's just TK and his creative. 1465 01:17:53,320 --> 01:18:02,120 I don't think any company has the proper, what I want to look for. 1466 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:06,120 I don't think they hold themselves to the standard that they set. 1467 01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:09,960 I think they're going to conveniently use these rankings when they want to use them. 1468 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,040 They're not going to use it when they want to use it for storyline purposes. 1469 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:15,880 I mean, it's wrestling. 1470 01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,480 It's going to happen. 1471 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:25,120 As you said, I think you're going to see a lot of, hey, this guy won 20 matches in a 1472 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,620 row against jobbers. 1473 01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:32,240 Now he's the number two wrestler for the AEW Heavyweight Championship. 1474 01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,080 I mean, that's kind of what happened with Hook. 1475 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:42,480 He had that huge win-loss record, but most of it was against lower card talent. 1476 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:47,960 It wasn't anybody that what you would think will be high ranked that will push him up 1477 01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:49,320 the ladder. 1478 01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,560 So I'm not a fan of it. 1479 01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:56,040 I just don't think they're going to hold themselves to stick into it or their standard that they 1480 01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:58,640 set themselves for. 1481 01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,680 Y'all both hit the no on it. 1482 01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:04,920 So rankings, I love the concept of having a ranking because not only if I'm not watching 1483 01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:06,840 AEW every week, I can turn to it. 1484 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,640 I see this person is seven and one. 1485 01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,360 So now you're also setting the stage for this person. 1486 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:16,200 The fine line is now where it becomes the crutch. 1487 01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:21,080 Hey, so like you said, to both of your points, in order to make this person more important, 1488 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,260 let's get a whole bunch of wins for this person, but against jobbers. 1489 01:19:24,260 --> 01:19:27,600 Have those wins, have the wins and losses be meaningful. 1490 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,040 And I think those rankings will be incredibly important. 1491 01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,040 Concept of rankings. 1492 01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,040 I love it. 1493 01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,920 I do, but I have seen with them, like y'all said, where you just made it as a crutch. 1494 01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:43,960 And then that's where now the rankings, the integrity of the rankings is really nothing. 1495 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,760 Man, to hell with a ranking though. 1496 01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:50,720 Why don't you focus on trying to make these, all these titles mean something on their damn 1497 01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:51,720 show? 1498 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,760 What's the ranking system for those championships and who goes after them and why make that 1499 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:56,760 important? 1500 01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:57,960 And how do you bring these rankings? 1501 01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,320 Well, so then, so have you seen the screenshot of it? 1502 01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:02,680 Yeah, I've seen it. 1503 01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:03,680 Okay. 1504 01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:05,160 So like they are connected to the titles. 1505 01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:09,520 So like they'll have like all the single men's championships, right? 1506 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:10,520 Champion, champion, champion. 1507 01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,680 And then I'll have the five people that's ranked on that. 1508 01:20:13,680 --> 01:20:18,240 So I guess maybe that's kind of going to circumvent what you're kind of saying. 1509 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:19,440 So that should help. 1510 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:22,240 I think next door, this week's dynamite is going to be fantastic. 1511 01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:25,040 Let me run down that card real quick. 1512 01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:31,760 Jericho verse Takeshita, trios match, the stars of CMLL versus Blackpool Combat Club, 1513 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:36,280 tag team championship match, Starks and Big Bill versus Sting and Darby Allen, main event 1514 01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:43,120 swerve versus Hangman, winner gets a shot at Samoa Joe or at the pay-per-view revolution. 1515 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:46,960 That's got to end in some type of draw so we can get a triple third match. 1516 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,840 And then Tony Khan with his huge announcement, which I think is going to be connected to 1517 01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:56,720 Boston on March 13th and then he should finish of course with some type of, you can bank 1518 01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:03,680 on it or some type of line that says that Mercedes is going to be making her debut there 1519 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:04,680 that week. 1520 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,000 So I think that's going to be great. 1521 01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,320 I thought dynamite this past Wednesday was okay. 1522 01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:16,160 I really found myself like in and out watching it and I figured it out. 1523 01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:23,040 I now know what my issue has been with AEW since I've had an issue with it, I guess over 1524 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,000 the last maybe couple months or so. 1525 01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,640 At one point I'm like, maybe it's a production. 1526 01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:30,640 They've done a great job with fixing the production. 1527 01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:35,080 Then I'm like, maybe it's a storylines, but then they have some storylines. 1528 01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:41,080 So maybe this isn't number one, this is maybe like one B. AEW has a color crisis. 1529 01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:48,000 And what I mean by that is everything is gray. 1530 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,540 There's no black, there's no white. 1531 01:21:50,540 --> 01:21:51,540 Everything is gray. 1532 01:21:51,540 --> 01:21:52,540 Elaborate. 1533 01:21:52,540 --> 01:22:00,640 I'm going to give you last Wednesday's episode. 1534 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:04,720 First match was Jeff Hardy versus Jon Moxley. 1535 01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:06,040 Who's the face and who's the hill in that match? 1536 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,040 That's what you mean by that. 1537 01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,040 I don't know. 1538 01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,760 No, I mean, tell me who's the face and who's the hill? 1539 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:15,040 I think Mox, just because I care more about Mox at this time in my life. 1540 01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,040 Mox is the what? 1541 01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,040 Huh? 1542 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:18,040 Mox is the what? 1543 01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:19,040 Face. 1544 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,040 Okay. 1545 01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,960 Because that's who I care about more. 1546 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,960 Not to you. 1547 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:24,960 Who's the face and who's the hill? 1548 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:25,960 I don't know. 1549 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:26,960 I don't know. 1550 01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:28,820 I'm only answering it because my answer is I don't know. 1551 01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:32,640 So my answer would be Mox if I had an answer. 1552 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,640 So Mox is a tweener. 1553 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,120 That's why he's been booked forever, right? 1554 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,560 Jeff Hardy is the face. 1555 01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:44,840 However, Jeff Hardy is also undergoing a personality change. 1556 01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:48,440 It's what you're trying to tell the story through his matches and through the commentary. 1557 01:22:48,440 --> 01:23:00,880 So but to answer your question, tweener Mox versus a soon to be a hill Hardy, right? 1558 01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,520 But he might end up being a tweener. 1559 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:05,480 Still a face, but we know he's going to hill. 1560 01:23:05,480 --> 01:23:08,480 Kind of that type of thing, right? 1561 01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:10,920 Tweener versus tweener. 1562 01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:11,920 Okay. 1563 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:12,920 Doesn't work. 1564 01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,880 Next match or situation. 1565 01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:18,640 Hangman Page versus Tola Leona. 1566 01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:19,640 Hangman's a face. 1567 01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:20,640 We know that, right? 1568 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:21,640 Great. 1569 01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:22,640 Hangman's a face. 1570 01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:23,640 I love Hangman. 1571 01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:24,640 Perfect. 1572 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:25,640 Let's keep it moving. 1573 01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:29,480 Next thing was the Unbuck's with their new where the BEVP type gimmick. 1574 01:23:29,480 --> 01:23:30,480 I'm cool with that. 1575 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:31,480 Okay. 1576 01:23:31,480 --> 01:23:32,480 I like that gimmick. 1577 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:33,480 Yep. 1578 01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:34,480 Next thing was Warlow versus Commander. 1579 01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:35,480 What's Warlow? 1580 01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:36,480 He's a hill, right? 1581 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:37,480 You got it because he's part of the kingdom. 1582 01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:38,480 He's a hill. 1583 01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:39,480 Okay. 1584 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:44,920 He's a hill that's part of undisputed kingdom that has been horrendous since the reveal 1585 01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:46,400 that Warlow's in. 1586 01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:53,400 They've done nothing with this group and we've said how much, maybe Warlow don't have it, 1587 01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,880 but we've said how much potential we thought Warlow had and how hot he was when he was 1588 01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,120 feuding with MJF. 1589 01:23:58,120 --> 01:23:59,120 Maybe it was all MJF. 1590 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,360 I don't know, but they have Warlow as a hill. 1591 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,960 He doesn't really do hill things. 1592 01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,600 All he does is do impressive spots in the ring as a big man. 1593 01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:08,600 Okay. 1594 01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:09,600 A little bit of indifference there. 1595 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:16,440 Then they did a sit down with Darby Allen Sting and Ricky Starks and Big Bill. 1596 01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:23,680 Would you guys agree that Starks is probably one of the more popular AEW stars right now? 1597 01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:29,600 Yes, but I think in the last month and a half, I don't want to say he's been buried because 1598 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,480 he's a champion right now, but- 1599 01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:32,480 He's lost steam. 1600 01:24:32,480 --> 01:24:33,480 He's lost steam. 1601 01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:34,480 What do you say, E? 1602 01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:41,560 I think from a fan perspective, yeah, but he's definitely a hill in this scenario though. 1603 01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,640 He's a hill in this scenario. 1604 01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:50,520 I think he's lost steam and I think he's lost steam because he's in hill. 1605 01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:56,960 We like Ricky Starks, but then we need to boo him, but he doesn't do anything really 1606 01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:57,960 to get booed like that. 1607 01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:58,960 He spilled the water, right? 1608 01:24:58,960 --> 01:24:59,960 He spilled the water. 1609 01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:00,960 There you go. 1610 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:01,960 That's the hill thing. 1611 01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:06,760 No, no, the tag team isn't working. 1612 01:25:06,760 --> 01:25:07,760 That's why he's losing steam. 1613 01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,200 I don't think it has. 1614 01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:12,560 I think I know where you're going with it, but I don't think it's that. 1615 01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:17,760 I think that his tag team, him, Big Bill, they're not a tag team. 1616 01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:23,000 Obviously, Ricky, you guys suck together and there's no chemistry. 1617 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,160 Please drop the titles and go your separate ways. 1618 01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:26,160 Yeah, things happen on Wednesday. 1619 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,160 I mean, that's the smart money. 1620 01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:29,320 That's the smart money. 1621 01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:36,680 The next match was Kyle Fletcher with Don Callis versus Chris Jericho. 1622 01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:44,880 I think we all like Kyle Fletcher, but he's in this bubble of just, I'm a hill because 1623 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,480 I'm with Don Callis. 1624 01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:48,480 There's nothing to it. 1625 01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:50,980 Okay, let me move on. 1626 01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:54,960 Next thing was the six man, which I actually enjoyed because they didn't announce it beforehand. 1627 01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:55,960 It was the promo segment. 1628 01:25:55,960 --> 01:26:04,360 I know a lot of people didn't like it with the acclaim, daddy ass with Bullet Club Gold. 1629 01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:10,480 I thought it was cool just because they didn't announce that that was happening, but Bullet 1630 01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:12,440 Club Gold is in this. 1631 01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:17,160 We know they're going to eventually turn on the acclaim, but they're kind of faces now, 1632 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:22,680 but they've been hills and Jay White should be like this really, really big deal, but 1633 01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:24,880 now he's like ROH trios. 1634 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,880 He's just kind of also like in this gray area. 1635 01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,640 First off, hold on. 1636 01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,280 It's cringy though. 1637 01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:37,240 The gun scissoring, that's really cringy to me, but keep going. 1638 01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:40,480 Then we have Taya Valkyrie versus Deanna Parrazo. 1639 01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:41,480 I like that one. 1640 01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:42,480 Okay, but who's the face? 1641 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:43,480 Deanna. 1642 01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:44,480 It got to be Deanna. 1643 01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:50,680 But it can't be because when she comes out, she shushes the crowd and the cameraman away. 1644 01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:51,680 You're right. 1645 01:26:51,680 --> 01:27:00,280 But then you put her in a match against a hill with Toni Storm, who was a hill at commentary. 1646 01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:05,520 No, Deanna is definitely a face though. 1647 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:09,280 Okay, then tell her she needs to stop doing her shoosh thing then because- 1648 01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:10,280 Yeah, she should. 1649 01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,280 I think she should be a face. 1650 01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:19,520 Toni Storm and Swerve to me are the two best acts in AEW and they're both slotted ass hills. 1651 01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:23,400 Then the main event was Swerve Strickland versus RVD. 1652 01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:27,280 We know they're presenting Swerve as a hill. 1653 01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,280 Everybody likes Swerve. 1654 01:27:28,280 --> 01:27:36,440 Going against a legend who nobody wants to boo, but they want to cheer. 1655 01:27:36,440 --> 01:27:40,920 There is just a ton of what are we doing here in regards to personalities. 1656 01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:47,200 I know the first thing people would say is, Matt, you are so old school thinking of everybody 1657 01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:50,080 needs to be a face, everybody needs to be a hill. 1658 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,080 I get that. 1659 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:56,360 I get if you watch UFC, a lot of the fights are just who was the best, who wants to be 1660 01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:57,760 the best. 1661 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:03,160 But your biggest stars in UFC are either faces or their hills. 1662 01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:12,680 We spent an hour talking about Seth Rollins, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns, all clearly defined 1663 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:13,680 faces or hills. 1664 01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:17,640 The Rock is out for debate on the field of face or hill right now. 1665 01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:19,800 The internet has him as a hill. 1666 01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,400 But clearly defined personalities. 1667 01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,920 That is for me, because when I was watching, I'm like, why am I just not connecting to 1668 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:29,920 this episode? 1669 01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:35,360 I'm looking and I'm like, oh, because maybe the people who I really like are put in a 1670 01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:37,400 position to not be liked. 1671 01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:44,160 And then, you know what I mean, that is what I think if they are going to get some momentum 1672 01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:50,400 back, like when MJF was at the top of the game, he was their number one hill without 1673 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,400 question. 1674 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,360 CM Punk was without question a face. 1675 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,600 Kenny Omega is without question a face. 1676 01:28:56,600 --> 01:29:01,520 When you do all this tweener stuff, it's cool to say tweener, cheer for who you want to 1677 01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:04,000 cheer for, boo who you want to boo. 1678 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,160 But when nobody's hot, that's why we continue to have issues with selling tickets in the 1679 01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:10,920 majority of the markets we go to, because nobody's hot. 1680 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:15,520 You could argue that maybe Drew McIntyre is a little bit of a tweener, but everything 1681 01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:17,440 he's done is acting like a hill. 1682 01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:22,400 We just as people can say, oh, I can feel Drew, because I understand that, but he's 1683 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,400 a hill. 1684 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,160 He's an absolute hill. 1685 01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:30,760 I won't be as critical as you on that, what you just presented, but you're right. 1686 01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:35,760 I think tweeners can work, but your whole show can't be about tweeners. 1687 01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:42,160 Like you said, you still have to have a baseline of who I'm rooting for, who I'm booing. 1688 01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:45,580 Every single match shouldn't be like, oh, I like both these guys, or I kind of don't 1689 01:29:45,580 --> 01:29:46,580 like both these guys. 1690 01:29:46,580 --> 01:29:48,120 You're right. 1691 01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:52,360 Every match can be, your story thread can be of tweeners fighting each other. 1692 01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:56,000 You have one tweener match here, one tweener match there, but the whole show can't be 1693 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,000 like that. 1694 01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,960 You got a very valid point, and that's probably why maybe I didn't quite connect to. 1695 01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:09,960 My only thing that I will kind of gripe about AEW this week was the whole swerve and hangman 1696 01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,680 picking the stipulation for those matches. 1697 01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,840 That felt just a little bit flat to me. 1698 01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:23,200 I don't know why, because I like the matches, but it didn't feel like I got to pick your 1699 01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:24,200 match. 1700 01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:25,720 Oh, I'm about to put you through hell, hell. 1701 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,040 I guess that part to me kind of felt flat. 1702 01:30:28,040 --> 01:30:30,800 Did it fall flat to either one of you? 1703 01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:31,800 Okay. 1704 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,320 That was my only issue. 1705 01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:34,320 Yep. 1706 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:39,840 Because you would think if I hate you, then these matches should be like, hardest core, 1707 01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:40,840 whatever. 1708 01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:45,880 It should be something to the fact that even if you win, you're not walking out of this 1709 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:46,880 match. 1710 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:47,880 That's kind of what I was thinking. 1711 01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:48,880 And it wasn't like that. 1712 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,200 It's not like they're on some friendly competition of just trying to figure out who's the best. 1713 01:30:52,200 --> 01:30:58,520 And swerve's promo at the end with hangman, it had a hint of, oh, are they going to work 1714 01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:00,160 like an iron man match? 1715 01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:03,840 It was almost a hint of like, who's the better wrestler? 1716 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,200 But this is a blood feud. 1717 01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:10,520 So that's what it should kind of stay in. 1718 01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:17,200 But I said it needs to be a triple threat match because if hangman beats swerve and 1719 01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:22,200 it's hangman versus Moa Jo at Revolution and swerve is on the outside looking in. 1720 01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:25,040 They going to shit on that. 1721 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:30,840 I know I would just because we know where swerve is headed. 1722 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:31,840 You know what? 1723 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:38,240 I kind of disagree with the color problem because I see where you're going. 1724 01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,920 But when you watch the shows, the heels and the face, we kind of walk through it. 1725 01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:48,000 It's clearly defined who the heel and the face is, what you're expressing to me is a 1726 01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,480 character and story problem. 1727 01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:54,320 Like with Deanna, for instance, right? 1728 01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:58,840 She's obviously positioned as the baby face and she speaks like a baby face. 1729 01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,720 However, her mannerisms are heelish. 1730 01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:03,840 That's a character thing. 1731 01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,760 That's somebody that needs to talk to her about like, hey, because she plays this character 1732 01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:13,280 that has been a heel for years on impact. 1733 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,720 That's somebody talking to her or maybe her understanding like, hey, let me tweak some 1734 01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:22,480 of my nuances of my character to make it more appealing to the position I'm in. 1735 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:27,440 If I'm shushing people or shoot people away as a heel, maybe as a good guy I shouldn't 1736 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:28,440 do that. 1737 01:32:28,440 --> 01:32:33,120 Well, Cal Fletcher, Cal, he's definitely, he doesn't do anything likable to me. 1738 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,120 Now you may respect him as a wrestler and you may cheer for him and maybe the crowd 1739 01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:43,600 does, but that's up to creative to put him in positions to make sure that it's very known 1740 01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,160 that he's an unlikable character, right? 1741 01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:53,000 Not put him in situations to he's showing his athleticism and he's winning over the 1742 01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:54,840 crowd with his work ethic. 1743 01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,520 Let's make sure we put him in position, we put little nuances in to make sure he's established 1744 01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:00,160 himself as a heel. 1745 01:33:00,160 --> 01:33:05,120 These are all just character and story things that are issues with the company. 1746 01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,960 These are always been things, right? 1747 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,840 Because to me, like TK, and this is actually a great thing. 1748 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:16,520 I think that he does a great job of actually letting people freely express themselves in 1749 01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:22,560 the creative on the microphone and the ring, but there has to be some checks and balances 1750 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:30,160 to make sure that what they're saying and what they're doing is make sense for the storyline 1751 01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,440 or for the characters. 1752 01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:38,000 So for me, it's more of a characterization issue with these characters more so than they're 1753 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:40,200 not firmly heels or faces. 1754 01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:45,280 They just need to behave accordingly. 1755 01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,360 And the shows themselves, I think if you like, it's a fine wrestling show. 1756 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:55,200 I think for quite some time, they're putting on some fine wrestling shows and some good 1757 01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,200 matches. 1758 01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,520 The issues that you're going to continue to have with the company, it doesn't matter who 1759 01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:03,800 they sign there, it's going to be the issues we're talking about. 1760 01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:04,800 Characterization and story. 1761 01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:10,960 They're not good at that because the person who is head of creative is great at making 1762 01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:19,000 matches and putting together good cards and actually analyzing talent. 1763 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:21,040 That's what he's good at. 1764 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:24,040 We need somebody in there that can make sure that they're filling the blanks with these 1765 01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:29,080 stories to make sure that all the entities are making sense from a character perspective. 1766 01:34:29,080 --> 01:34:30,080 And that's not what's happened. 1767 01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:31,080 And I don't think it'll continue to happen. 1768 01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:36,000 I think what we need to do is appreciate what the show is and what the company is. 1769 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:40,320 It's about the wrestling, it's about good matches and sadly it's about the moves. 1770 01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:41,320 Yeah. 1771 01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,360 But the problem with that is we get good wrestling everywhere now. 1772 01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:49,720 It is not like back in the day, dating ourselves, old guy where you had T.O. 1773 01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:54,600 Hopper against Phineas Godwin on Raw, but then you would turn to WCW and you got the 1774 01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,160 Luchadores killing it. 1775 01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:58,200 No, there's good wrestling everywhere. 1776 01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:03,160 You can find a good wrestling match on every show that you watch every day of the week. 1777 01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,480 It's got to be more now than just good wrestling. 1778 01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:07,480 And that's the problem. 1779 01:35:07,480 --> 01:35:08,480 That's really what I'm seeing. 1780 01:35:08,480 --> 01:35:09,480 So good break now, man. 1781 01:35:09,480 --> 01:35:10,480 You're probably right on that. 1782 01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:11,480 But we'll see. 1783 01:35:11,480 --> 01:35:12,480 We'll see. 1784 01:35:12,480 --> 01:35:16,040 I always like try to give them the bit of the doubt, but I am excited for Wednesday. 1785 01:35:16,040 --> 01:35:18,960 So I think Wednesday's will be a really, really big show. 1786 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:23,000 And I think his announcement is connected to Mercedes. 1787 01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,560 Who knows if they do some type of double dick and it's Okada and Mercedes. 1788 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,160 We'll see. 1789 01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,120 All right. 1790 01:35:30,120 --> 01:35:32,760 We're an hour and a half. 1791 01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:34,640 So I guess we probably should head on out now. 1792 01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:39,240 I guess we should go head on out and enjoy this beautiful Sunday weather that we have 1793 01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:40,240 here. 1794 01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:43,280 It may be a little bit more sunnier now, E. It's been an hour and a half. 1795 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,800 I know you started it was, you know, rainy out there. 1796 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:46,800 It's still here. 1797 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:47,800 I'm looking out. 1798 01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:48,800 The tree's still swaying. 1799 01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,200 And it's still beautiful over here. 1800 01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,600 The Rock has come back to save us for WrestleMania. 1801 01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:58,400 Put up the zeros. 1802 01:35:58,400 --> 01:35:59,400 Oh put up the zeros. 1803 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:00,400 Hey, you know what? 1804 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:05,520 It makes sense that in Cody's home state of Georgia, the sky is crying. 1805 01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:07,720 We're crying for you, Cody. 1806 01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:09,680 We're crying for you. 1807 01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,880 And on that note, we are outta here. 1808 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,520 Check us out on all the socials. 1809 01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:16,040 Hit us up on YouTube. 1810 01:36:16,040 --> 01:36:20,200 We've done a great job with trying to grow our YouTube. 1811 01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,320 That's been like something that we really wouldn't spend a lot of time on. 1812 01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:27,680 You know, honestly, I think we've grown like 150 subscribers or something like that like 1813 01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,440 the last like 45 days. 1814 01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:30,640 So get the word out. 1815 01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:32,560 Watch us on YouTube. 1816 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:33,560 That's freaking wrestling. 1817 01:36:33,560 --> 01:36:36,240 Hit subscribe button notifications, all that kind of good stuff. 1818 01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:37,720 You guys know where to find us on X. 1819 01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:38,720 That's FNW. 1820 01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:43,040 You know where to find us on the podcast, five stars, leave comments, et cetera, et 1821 01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:44,040 cetera. 1822 01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:45,040 All that kind of good stuff. 1823 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:50,320 We'll be back on Wednesday to break down more craziness of this Rock saga that we're going 1824 01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,320 to have. 1825 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:55,400 Who knows what else is going to come out over the next couple of days and see how they follow 1826 01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,400 up on wrong. 1827 01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,080 If they do anything with it, seeing now this is kind of like a Friday Smackdown storyline 1828 01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:06,080 and see what Cody does with Seth because he didn't say he was going after Seth, but that 1829 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,800 is what we have to assume is going to happen for a mania. 1830 01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,280 So break that down and more for you guys on a Wednesday. 1831 01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:18,880 Tell a friend, tell a friend, tell a family member, TFW best podcast rocking. 1832 01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:23,760 We will check you guys out on Wednesday.