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What up? What up? What up? Welcome to TFW Podcast. That's freaking wrestling.

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Best kept secret in wrestling podcast. Episode 87. One of my favorite numbers.

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Locked and loaded. Y'all know who we are. Three the hard way.

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Rhodesia is in the building. Eshaan is in the building. I am in the building.

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where you will find our full episodes twice a week. Each and every week. So, um,

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let's start, I guess, with CM Punk again, right? That is the news all over the

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place. WWE shared, and I know these numbers are not accurate now, but on Raw

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Monday night, over 71 million views across all social media platforms. And

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his return video was the most viewed X video of all time for WWE. That is

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unreal. Unreal when you think about that. So I tweeted last night. I said, it may

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not even be a hot take. You guys tell me. I think CM Punk has the most emotional

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connection than any other wrestler in history to the fan base. Would you say

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that's a hot take? Would you say that's not accurate? Would you say, yeah, it's

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common sense at this point, looking at some of these numbers that they're

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producing with them. I think it's hard to dispute that. If you just said it's the

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highest rating clip of all of WWE history, how can someone go against that?

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I think Cody probably could be a close second. But yeah, I mean, the numbers

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don't lie. Well, we can't also compare back like the Hogan days when social

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media didn't exist and the kind of stuff didn't exist. So I can only compare it

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to modern times. So I would say that, yeah. Because I would imagine

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Hogan would probably be number one. I don't think it's definitely a take for

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sure. I think it's definitely a take. But it's undeniable that he has a connection

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with fans. He's a polarizing character. I want to say maybe more accurate might

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be the most polarizing character in the world of wrestling ever. Absolutely.

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Right. People feel some type of way about CM Punk. And that's great. Because

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you want someone to feel some way about you. Right. The worst thing is empathy.

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Right. Especially when it comes to a wrestler. But I don't want to say that

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as far as connection. I think when you think about the Stone Colds, when you

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think about the Rocks, when you talk about the Ric Flair's, when you talk

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about the Boo Hogan's, you know, those are guys that definitely have resonated

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and had a connection for a generation of fans. But I don't think it's a

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horrible take. You know, let me ask you then because I thought about it,

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because my initial thought was the biggest of all time. And I'm gonna stick

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to that. And then I then I thought about switching it last night to to where

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these just said, like, this modern time, but then I kind of switched it again,

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because everybody you just named off, Austin, Rock, Hogan, they've all had a

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comeback. All their videos have been plastered on social media through their

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comeback through WWE and nobody was even close. Hell, we just saw Rock come back

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to SmackDown a couple months ago. His numbers wasn't wasn't this. Austin

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wrestled KO two years ago. His numbers wasn't this. So when I look at that, and

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that's not like X is growing, people have left X by the millions because of

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everything that's been going on over there over the last, you know, whatever

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it's been six months or so. So that's why I'm like, man, like he has to he

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just has a connection that you just can't describe. I saw people on social

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media Monday, saying that they haven't watched Raw in ages. They're only

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watching Raw for CM Punk. Hell, one of our boys finds he went with SummerSlam

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with us. He watched Raw. I don't know if he was impressed with what he saw.

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Maybe outside the CM Punk thing. But he was locked in for it because of Punk.

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Um, you know, so with that being said, we got one night our first night,

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Saturday came back and Monday is his first official night back. What'd you

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guys think of his promo?

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Oh, hey, Rodee. I'll be waiting.

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I know. I mean, I don't really Okay. Um, well, I'll say again, we press to do

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the good sandwich, right? So we'll start off with no, we're not supposed to do

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it good. You're supposed to give it up. We don't know it for you if you want to.

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If you want to play this little sweet, nice thing. I don't want to. I'm just

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not. I'm just not a negative Nancy like you called me last week. Unless

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you're at home and the microphones are on and you give it up. But I guess

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not the microphone. You got to act like you're so nice. She's she was giving it

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up Monday. No, not no, no, I wasn't actually. That's a lie. He says anything

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about a W. No, that's true. But after he didn't fucking pissed if he fucking even

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says Tony for any reason, if he says kind, if he's talking about Nick on site,

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you're like, all right, man, relax. No, no, I said, because I did pretty much

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right after that. I mean, it was it was great. It was electric. It was fun. I

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was on probably pins and needles because I was because again, me just my

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feelings toward punk. I knew he was gonna say something and do something out

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of line. So I was just waiting for that shoe to fall. I mean, actually, he

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impressed me. He actually he didn't. I know after they went off air, he did his

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victory lap, which I think is cool. I mean, that you're supposed to do that

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kind of stuff. You know, they did that to you. You could do that to them. My

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whole beef has always has been don't do that. We're now the masses can see it

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because you're shitting on your own product. That's when I got that's what

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started my issue with punk to begin with. You don't bury the other people

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you're working with in a W. So the way he did on raw, that was perfectly fine.

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I actually thought it was good. What you think about it, Matt?

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It was there. It wasn't what we thought we were going to get. And word came out

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that Orton and Don went longer in their match. So his promo got cut. But even

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with that, it was cool. It was okay. Like, was it worth me watching three hours of

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a raw show that I would not have watched? No, I watched raw. So that didn't

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matter to me. I was impressed with the cadence of the show. And we'll talk

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about raw here in a few minutes. But um, I thought he said, I think he said,

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nothing but said a lot at the same time. Right? So if you look at WWE and just a

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bubble, if you look at the WWE universe, he spoke about why he left the first

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time, why he had to leave, spoke about why he's back, threw in some subliminal

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shots about who may not be happy that he's back, but the majority of people are

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there to see him. And he's happy to be there. That's enough for your first

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initial promo. Now is enough for your first initial CM Punk promo that maybe

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some of those folks hadn't seen him. If you look at those numbers, right? So we

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look at when he debuted, I don't know what the raw ratings were. So we take

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social media out. I know that clip when he debuted, did millions of views on

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A.W. social media. But we look at just like ratings, they did 1.4 million. I

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believe it was right for rampage, which they haven't kind of come close to

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hitting yet. So 1.4 million people watch that live. I'm gonna have to assume the

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numbers will be much higher for this raw, even though they went up against

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Monday Night Football. So there could be a world where there's a percentage of

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wrestling fans that hadn't seen Punk in nine years. I don't know how that's

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possible, but it's got to be a percentage. So if you're only talking to

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them, if you're only talking to them, well, find the scene him on A.W. He

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keeps up with like social media, YouTube and such. But like, so if I'm looking at

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he's talking to that fan base, it was cool. Now for what we know, and maybe

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what some people wanted, I didn't expect him at all to go out and talk about A.W.

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I didn't expect him to mention Tony Khan or mention the Bucks or anything like

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that. I did think we were going to get a little bit more in regards to just his

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story with WWE. I didn't think we were about to fast track the Seth. Like one

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of our guys, I forgot who it was. Shout out to you, my bad. We were tweeting

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back and forth and he was like, I'm just ready for like Punk and Seth. Like,

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let's get this thing going. All I need is a stare down. And I was like, Whoa,

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man, slow down. Like we got to get this thing to at least the rumble. I'm hoping

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mania, but there's some word out there that it may be at the rumble. But we got

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we got we got a few months to get there. So you don't want to go too quick. So

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overall, I thought it was cool. I thought it was cool for night one.

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I always find it interesting when you listen to the marks online. Yeah, so

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riled up about the promo being banned and it didn't live up to like, I'm not

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sure what people expect. If you really watch these shows and you're a fan of

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us, how can you be so off base on a lot of different? Of course, that's the kind

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of promo he's going to hit you think he's going to sit there and run down a

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W. Why? Why? Why would WWE feel the need to do that on their TV? Why did it? Why

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would their fan base need to hear about Tony Khan or any of those kind of

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things people are kind of throwing out there? Like why? It's about punk and the

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WWE universe. Now what I will say, I thought was fascinating, because we all

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know the history we heard the podcast back in the day with, you know, him and

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Colton, he ain't cold. Right? But like, see, I'll punt got that man, you know,

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fired from a W. Right? Those that's that was a schedule. But that's what he

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thought was being said about him. Right? And everything punk said about the

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company, even more, we're talking about he was talking about the company,

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calling the snakes and things of that nature at the at a comic con was like a

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year, year and a half ago, wasn't it? Yeah. To now hear him on a Monday night

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raw, saying I'm home. Like, wow. Like, wow. Mm hmm. Right. The same company

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that you know, you came out on your return to wrestling a couple years ago

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said stole your love and joy of pro wrestling. He stopped being a pro

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wrestler when he joined that company is how much he hated that company. And

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that was just a year ago. To come back now and say I love you. I miss you. And

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I'm home.

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That kind of reminds me like a you know, a girl there it is. That's what I was

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about to say. 100% 100% she she like you know, you're like you did it wrong.

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Maybe you did. Maybe you didn't, you know, but you had a breakup bad or she

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did or she did you wrong. Maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. Maybe she didn't.

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Right. And now you're the worst person ever. You ain't this. You ain't that. I

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never want to see that man again. Until you do. Now I love you. I love you. I

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need you. That's all I heard last night. I can't believe I could peer in that to

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a woman leaving a boyfriend or a man because it's love is what it is. And you

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know, when they say it's a thin line between love and hate. It's a thin line

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between love and hate. So if you classic movie, classic movie. So if you take him

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for his word, and who knows, he may have been working last night. Right. Because

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we saw Seth come out and say, Hey, they started chanting CM Punk, which I love.

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And he's like, yeah, get out your system. It'd be last time I talk about that

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hypocrite. Right. And then for punk to come out and be a hypocrite, if you look

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at it at face value, that entire promo could be working. Maybe he doesn't feel

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that way at all. But maybe he does feel that way. I think he does feel that way

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though, because even if we're talking like punk, no punk, even if we're talking

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like legit 100% real life, he reached out to WWE, not the other way around. So we

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know WWE did him wrong when he was there. And yeah, we also know he was butthurt

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and jaded by the rot coming in and taking the main event slot that he thought he

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should have had with taker that mania, all of that, you know, his infection and

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he was still out there working every single night. We know that story. I think

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a lot of that is, it was his feelings. And he's burnt out. I think he's burnt

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out. He was in his feelings. And you know, it'd be interesting if he ever says,

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you know, says, because you know, I never knew as a big of a Cody fan, as I am, I

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never knew that Cody admired Triple H as much as he did. I never knew that.

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I only knew it when he started going at H so hard when he left WWE. Like breaking

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the throne. It's like, okay, that's admiration. Right? Like, oh, you want

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that.

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And I wonder did CM Punk have some type of admiration for Triple H and he felt

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he was being snubbed by someone he you never know. But I gotta ask you guys

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this because this is when I when I listened to the promo because I the facts

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are the facts. He's back. He's under contract again. So obviously, this is a

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place that he wanted to be for whatever the case may be. But then did that promo

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seem genuine to you? I like it might have been. But when I listened to like

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the cadence, it didn't seem it almost sound like a heelish promo, like at some

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point he's going to turn or something like that. Is that just me?

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I would say that I felt when I heard it, it was definitely not scripted by WWE.

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Now did he scripted himself? Maybe. But I felt like it wasn't scripted by WWE. And

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one thing that I did not like about his promo was he this line of him saying, you

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know, he's moved the bar as far as the best of the world in the ring, on the

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mic and even on commentary. And to me, it's like why? Because you've announced a

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few MMA fights that you're like the shit on commentary. I never listened to any of

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his calls on MMA, I might say. So I'm ignorant in that statement. But I know

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what he was saying when he when he threw that shot. But like, I don't think you're

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probably the best in the ring anymore in WWE. I'm just be completely honest with

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you. He's what 39 40 years old, maybe a little bit older than he may be 43. I

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think or somewhere. Yeah, somewhere. I'm quite sure some other guys can go better

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than you in a ring. So to me, I felt like maybe he was scripted his scripted of it.

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Maybe he didn't just go speak from his heart, like how I felt maybe Randy went

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out and spoke from his heart. So I think it was scripted for him, not by WWE. So

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maybe that's probably where some of that genuosity if that's a word. Let me tell

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you something, Rhodesia. Let me tell you something, Rhodesia. Real quick, man.

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Let me tell you something, Rhodesia. Can't nobody tell me that I don't have the illest three point shot in the

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world. Can't nobody tell me that I have the best, the wettest jumper in the world.

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Nobody stopped my three point shot. You can't tell me nothing. You can't tell me nothing. My three point shot is immaculant.

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It's immaculant. I can close my eyes and hit that shot anywhere on the court. Like why not?

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You gotta be your biggest fan. Yeah, you gotta be your biggest fan, right man? And don't forget.

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I'll give you the ring. No, no, but don't forget, don't forget his slogan is best in the world.

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His point of saying that is there's a lot of people here who think they're the best in the world,

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but you can't say you're the best in the world when the best in the world wasn't here. Now let's step up.

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I love that line. I thought that was fantastic. Don't bring in the commentary part.

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Corey Graves. I know that part of who he was making the shot at, but you're not better than Corey Graves on commentary wrestling.

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So you don't know that. You just said you ain't heard. I said MMA. I said MMA. I'm all pro wrestling.

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I think punk is probably the best commentary I've ever heard. Oh my God.

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Hey, hey, shots, shots though. So punk does something again and get fired and or cause some drama.

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I think I'm going to retire from the show. It's going to be a great moment when he shows up at All Out 2025.

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Hey, when you talking trash, nothing is off limits. Of course not. Talk your stuff, man.

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No, I didn't have a problem with that at all. So and that's what I was saying about. Was it was he working or not?

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I believe everything he said was genuine, either he was genuinely working or that's how he felt when he says like I'm at I'm home.

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I believe that 100 percent. I believe that because he wants to be there.

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Yeah, I believe he's happy to be there. Once again, he reached out what I think was.

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And we probably can all agree he was burnt out. They fired him on his wedding day.

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He was fucking over it with WWE. AW comes, reunites his passion for pro wrestling that goes sideways pretty quick.

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This ain't what I'm used to. I am used to stars and organization, certain type of treatment and organization and not high school type.

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I work with children. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he's like, man, I'm over this shit.

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And then I think when he had a chance to get back to WWE and let's also not forget,

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this is a completely different WWE than what it was nine years ago. Speaking of Corey Graves,

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he just had 12 days off or whatever it was for having a baby. Back then, you had nine years ago.

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You had two days. You may have gotten that raw show off or that that first show you're supposed to put you back at work that next day.

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He told Vince Russo famously, hey, he was like, you know, I need to be home with my family.

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They never see me. And he's like, Vince, you're making the money getting any.

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There it is. It's just a different because that's how Vince was.

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Vince, like if I'm working every single second, like you all can't do it's not work.

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We're having a good time here. So it's also a completely different world, too.

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But I am so intrigued. So I came out of.

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So the promo was what it was, right? It was good. It was a good promo.

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But I came out of it more intrigued than if he would have did his sit down in Indian style and blasted whoever on the.

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Mike, you know, say if he went right at Seth and gave us five minutes on, you've been calling me out, you know, for years, blah, blah, blah.

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I'm more intrigued by just what we got. OK. Monday night than if he would have done that.

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So it's a win. Interested to see what the numbers are.

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I know they've I think already done like one point six million or something in views on it since Monday night.

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So I'm ready for it. Before we get to Orden.

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You brought up the fire piece, he came out.

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After our last podcast, that's so what happened was on Monday, a lot of A.W.

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wrestlers were like showing support for A.W.

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I was like, you just hit us with what had happened was.

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But yeah, because I was like, that's kind of interesting.

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Like, all right. I mean, I get it because punk love.

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OK, I get that. But to me, it was like a little like.

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Hard handed with it and then Brian Danson does a tweet that basically just says like,

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you got to do what's right.

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And I was OK, that's interesting.

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They come to find out.

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And I got to get your guys' thoughts on this.

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Sean Ross, that reported this.

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Brian Danson headed up the disciplinary committee that ultimately decided to terminate

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CM Punk for A.W. should a active entering performer.

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Be on a committee.

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That can vote, help deter.

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Terminating an active in-ring performer.

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Can I just backtrack just one quick moment?

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When Tony came out in Chicago and said that he was let go, that it was ultimately his decision.

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I was under the impression that this disciplinary committee was comprised of attorneys.

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So maybe in addition in a jar.

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So what meets my eye?

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No, an active wrestler should not have say in what another active wrestler career

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should look like or not look like for that matter.

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But I also believe that wrestlers opinions do matter when it comes to that locker room.

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But if Brian, I always had the impression I don't know this for a fact.

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I thought Brian came over to A.W. kind of more than just a wrestler in a capacity of

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also maybe like a consultant or advisor or like a producer.

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So not initially.

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Not initially.

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Nope.

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Not from the booty.

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He just now remember he was there for the rushes like Kim and Regal.

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They would show up, you know, two o'clock, three o'clock on Wednesday, hit that ring

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and anybody wants to come in and train and pick their brains.

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They were there for that.

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But that wasn't in any type of official capacity of anything more than just contracted wrestlers.

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If Brian was part of this committee and this committee let go of CM Punk, I don't necessarily

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have a problem with it depending on who else was on this committee.

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Now if you're saying that Brian decision swayed it, then yeah, that could be a conflict of

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interest.

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But at the end of the day, Tony already came out and told us that it was his decision alone

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that he used the disciplinary committee to help advise him.

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But I have no problem with it.

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Initially when you said it, I'm like, yikes, no, no active wrestler should have anything

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to say.

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Another one of my counterpart peers gets me fired.

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Why are you letting that person who's on the same level as me get me fired?

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But again, if it's a whole like a whole team, who knows?

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They may have asked all of the veterans there how they felt.

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We don't actually know, do we?

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No, not that I've seen.

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But then what's the difference also getting what you call a fire?

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Call Cabana fired.

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He didn't get called fired.

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He said he did.

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He did.

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He said he did.

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Come on.

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Real quick, so with the tweet said, my dad always told me the right thing is often the

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hardest thing to do.

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It won't always make the most money.

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It won't always be the most popular, but it's still the right thing.

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And he put hashtag A-W then put a heart emoji.

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And what Sean Ross said was that was almost verbatim what he heard Brian said when it

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was time to make the decision about firing Punk.

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And Brian and Punk are on really good terms too.

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So or were.

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I don't even think Punk even.

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Right, at least now?

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Yeah, even now I don't think Punk.

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I think Punk knew.

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Once again, if he choked out the devil Jack Perry and he tells Tony Khan, I fucking hate

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this place and I'm gonna kill you too when I get back from this match with Samoa Joe,

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I think he knew he was going to get fired.

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So there's that.

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You know, when I saw the tweet and you asked about it, I had a couple of questions first.

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Like what are the parameters of this committee?

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Because if it's like a legal type of a team, typically like within a company that will

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be HR, that would be some type of management, et cetera, that would make that decision.

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Now, would you get input from wrestlers?

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Sure.

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But ultimately, especially with the fiasco that happened at the brawl out, you know,

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there's a lot of legalities, they couldn't make certain statements, have conversations,

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et cetera.

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So you would think about this type of instance, especially if it involved the owner of the

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company, that it would be a similar situation.

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You want to have a legal department on hand along with HR to make sure things are done

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correctly.

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But the fact that a wrestler was ahead of something, maybe this was something else.

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Maybe this was a AEW version of wrestlers court.

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Like, hey, considering what went down and how it went down in the history and what's

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going on within the locker room, do we want CM Punk in our locker room?

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And is CM Punk causing an issue within our locker room and ultimately creating discord?

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Right?

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So maybe that's what it is.

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Right?

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And like, hey, Tony's like, hey, do you as wrestlers know, does the locker room want

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him in the company anymore?

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And then Tony made his decision based off their recommendation based on other factors

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like HR and other things.

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But that's what it is, I mean, I understand.

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If the general consensus was like, hey, Punk needs to be gone, he's fracturing this locker

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room, it is what it is.

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They made that call, they made that decision.

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I'm okay with that because that happens in a lot of sports and teams.

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Why, hey man, this dude ain't working out in the locker room, a chance has to be made.

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That's happened multiple times.

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And he's voted out.

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They need to do that for the Detroit Pistons.

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Hmm.

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Do you vote now?

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Detroit Weaver?

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Man, GM gotta go.

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Owner gotta go.

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You gotta keep Monty, because Monty inherited it, but man, we need some holes.

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I told you, I told you guys last year, get rid of that man.

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Right now, give him a chance.

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No, I'm not.

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I thought he was going to course correct properly this summer and he didn't.

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Hey, as you know, we can see that there's a thing, the leopard doesn't change their

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spots, not on their own.

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People don't change unless change is forced upon him.

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So if you see us, and this can kind of correlate with Punk, if people have a certain history

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of behavior, they're not going to change unless they're forced to change.

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So it'd be very interesting to see how Punk moves forward with WWE.

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I honestly don't think we're going to have any of these problems that we're going to

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see.

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You can tell with that promo last night that that was a different promo.

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That was a more structured promo than he's cut at any point in AEW.

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Right?

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That was a very structured one.

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Yeah, I mean, he's not going to Roman and pulling any of that.

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That's just not happening.

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I don't have a problem with the Bryan thing.

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I think initially when I saw it, I was like, I don't know if wrestlers should be on that

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kind of committee.

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But then I'm like, well, we're talking about Bryan Danielson, which I've never heard one

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bad thing about Bryan from any professional wrestler.

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So his respect level and knowing that he's on up and up and he's only here for business

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and help everybody probably had something to do with that.

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I mean, that's probably why he's in a position he is now with really having Tony's ear.

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So I don't have an issue with it.

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It did kind of throw me off, though, because that kind of came out of nowhere.

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But then knowing that that tweet yesterday is kind of what spurred.

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Okay, evidently, Sean Ross figuring out like, let me just make sure to validate this is

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how it all went down.

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And then he released the story.

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But it's very concerning, though.

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And I got a couple other things that I think is very concerning with that company will

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get to later on.

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But I'm with you on that, though.

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Yep, so as we always say, we'll see, right, what happens next to punk.

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I don't think he's advertised for SmackDown.

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I know Orton is, but I don't know if that's going to be a dark match or he's actually

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going to be on TV because they got to they got to split some of these folks up.

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You can't have Cody, Jay, Orton and CM Punk on Raw.

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Some of that stuff we got to we got to flip.

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We got to switch some of this stuff up.

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So let's talk about Orton and then, of course, we can talk about anything else that we saw

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from Raw that we wanted to get into.

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It was for me, so beautiful to see Orton and even Saturday at Survivor Series because you

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can tell how much he was enjoying it.

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But really on Monday, he comes out to open the show.

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And what I thought was, I know I think I tweeted like this is what gratitude looks like.

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But even more so than that, like when life humbles you in a positive way, that's a life

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changing beautiful thing.

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We're all old enough to have seen Orton's first match.

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Right.

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Radeezy and I was in Toronto against Benoit at SummerSlam when he won his first champion.

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He was the youngest WWF champion of all time at the time.

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And it's no he was taking that for granted.

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We've heard those horror stories about him allegedly backstage, how he just thought everything

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was supposed to come to him on a silver platter, lack of respect in time.

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So to see that and then to see somebody who thought they may not ever do this again and

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how much they love it.

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Hell, leaving Survivor Series and there's a video of him throwing the tent up saying

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10 more years of doing this, which is unreal if you think about that.

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But to see him just take in that moment of signing autographs, going to the ring on TV,

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that's typically a no no.

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Waiting that extra few seconds to hit his post because he hasn't hit it in a year and

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a half.

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That's beautiful.

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That's incredible to see that and to see somebody to still have their wits about him.

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It's not like he's 60 plus and this is a mania run and he's coming back from mania and that's

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it.

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No, he's back in the fold now.

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I just thought that was like out of everything that I saw Monday around Orton, I was like,

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man, that's so damn cool to be able to see that and know that we've seen his entire career

424
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,960
from day one on WWE main roster to now.

425
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:03,360
You mentioned words like beautiful and humbled and my word I have for that is enlightened.

426
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,520
When he came out to the ring and like you said before he hit struck his post, it was

427
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,240
almost like he's just an enlightened person.

428
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:13,480
Like life has changed and we see that all too often with a lot of the people who come

429
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:19,800
back after injury who's over 30, over 35 is just something that they see life differently.

430
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,160
So that is just all the energy that I got from him.

431
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,640
I'm happy he actually started off the show.

432
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,880
I even thought to myself, hey, I actually might become a Super Randy fan after this

433
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,000
or at least this whole run for him.

434
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,600
You also was a, oh, I don't know if the fans of the pod know this.

435
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
E, you know this, right?

436
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,960
Rodizia is an Orton hater too?

437
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,600
I don't know who she likes to be honest with you.

438
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,640
She told you already, Roman, Roman, Roman, Roman.

439
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,520
I think Jade has like gotten that fifth spot now.

440
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Oh wait, whoa, hold on.

441
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,520
Wait, hold on.

442
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,920
I didn't have this in my notes.

443
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,920
This is a perfect time to bring it up.

444
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,160
Wait, this is a, and hold on.

445
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,520
This wasn't even on my notes for raw talk.

446
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,240
We got to give it up to Mr. Drew McIntyre and his black boxers.

447
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:08,200
I thought, I thought, will I spray in his gray sweatpants was the truth.

448
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,640
When I saw, when I, when that, when I killed fell down to the ground and I'm like, wait,

449
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,640
his kids on the ground.

450
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,240
I looked up and I saw him in his black boxers.

451
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,680
Woo, woo, Chile, man, I was like, okay.

452
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,680
Wow.

453
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,680
But I digress.

454
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Geez, old P.

455
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,680
So he's a married man, right?

456
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,680
So like, let me not do that.

457
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:26,680
And you're a married woman.

458
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:27,680
I am.

459
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,680
You know, like, oh my God.

460
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:39,240
Anyway, so yeah, so, so back to Orton and how he came across and what he did.

461
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,400
What'd you guys think about him putting that line in saying, saying, all right, if you're

462
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,520
down with the bloodline, I'm coming.

463
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,120
Oh, and then I thought it was cool too, which was funny.

464
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,760
And I guess maybe he may have been telling the truth.

465
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,760
He gets in his promo.

466
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,760
He's like, and nobody's telling me what to do.

467
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,880
And I was like, damn, that's a shot at Triple H. Like, because, you know, that's the first

468
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240
time we've seen him under the Triple H regime.

469
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,440
I'm like, oh shit, Triple H, you're going to have your hands full.

470
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,840
And then come find out H wasn't even at the show.

471
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,840
What?

472
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,800
He was, he was, he was attending to other business.

473
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,520
So Bruce Prichard ran the show.

474
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,560
So he's talking to Bruce.

475
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,760
I think he's talking to Bruce.

476
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,880
Like I run this, I'm going long against Dom.

477
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,840
Don't nobody tell me what to do.

478
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:19,840
Sorry, Phil.

479
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Other, other business.

480
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:27,400
Stephanie knows in town shows up, you know, I mean, maybe he has, yeah, that kind of business

481
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,400
to tend to, right?

482
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Code of AK.

483
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Yeah.

484
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Could be, could be.

485
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,400
I'm like, look, I gotta look wife, wife's here.

486
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,640
I gotta do what I gotta do.

487
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,480
So are y'all, are y'all, do you, do you want Orton on Raw?

488
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,480
Do you want him on Smackdown?

489
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,160
After seeing him last night, you know, they, they gave him something to do with judgment

490
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,160
day.

491
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,880
I thought him and Rhea, of course was great.

492
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,680
And for a second, I'm like, here comes the RKO.

493
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,400
And I was like, nope, you don't give it away yet.

494
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,400
Yeah.

495
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,400
So I was like, no.

496
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,400
Yeah.

497
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,920
So what do you guys want to see from, from Orton now that we've seen him on Raw?

498
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,560
Do you want to see him go on Smackdown and then kind of figure it out?

499
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,440
Or do you already know where you want him at?

500
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,960
I don't know where I want him at, but maybe after his line about anybody in the bloodline

501
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,720
or associated with the bloodline is on site.

502
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:12,640
We really say on site, but you know what I mean?

503
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:18,040
I was like, okay, well maybe he has, he has to go over to Smackdown because Jay came up

504
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,840
to him and say, Hey, listen, I'm sorry.

505
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:20,840
I apologize.

506
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:21,840
He checked his temperature quick, didn't he?

507
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:22,840
He's like, man, look, I'm out the bloodline, dude.

508
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,720
I don't know if you saw me, but look, a couple months ago, I left him.

509
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,680
He made sure, he made sure his name was clean.

510
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Like, listen, no, do we got any more beef?

511
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,720
Like you saw he look at him like, and then they came in with the daft and hung all that.

512
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:39,560
But he has to, and I'm okay with that.

513
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:40,560
I like that.

514
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:41,560
I can show him at solo a little bit.

515
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,840
I could see some fun action between the two of them.

516
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,600
I got a couple of raw thoughts.

517
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,280
You guys still talking about ordinary guys.

518
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,920
I want to segue real quick, maybe not real quick, but it just popped in my mind right

519
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:56,640
now, which we talked about Smackdown.

520
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:01,440
We talked about Smackdown and I'm like, man, like I thought maybe right.

521
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,440
Randy Orton could go there.

522
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:07,720
I feel like they need some help.

523
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:13,440
I don't know why I feel that way, but when I watched the show raw that is last night,

524
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,920
and you know, Seth held up the title and said he's the best world champion or the best champion

525
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,360
in wrestling right now.

526
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,360
Right.

527
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,800
And I thought to myself like, I don't know, Seth, I think Guther might got you.

528
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:32,040
Now I thought to myself like, wow, maybe at some point we get a Guther versus Seth match

529
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:39,120
and some kind of unification or not unification, maybe, you know, like is Hogan versus Ultimate

530
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Warrior.

531
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:41,120
No, title, take all.

532
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Winner, take all is what I'm looking for.

533
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,080
Right.

534
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,320
I'm like, because Steph is a working champion.

535
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,640
Guther certainly is a working champion.

536
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,320
Then I thought about Smackdown.

537
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,240
Well, damn, we got one champion who shows up twice a year to defend.

538
00:35:57,240 --> 00:36:02,760
We got Logan Paul, who I ain't seen defend the title once and has been off the show for

539
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,760
a minute.

540
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,360
I'm like, damn, like we ain't got no defending champions over there.

541
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,720
We ain't got no working champions on that blue brand.

542
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:13,240
What can we do to remedy that?

543
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:14,240
Right.

544
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,400
And I don't know Randy Orton is going to solve that issue unless he's going to be the next

545
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,800
up for Logan Paul and he becomes the US champion.

546
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,120
But I would love to see somebody go over to that brand and make those titles mean something.

547
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,940
Right now, they're just props to me.

548
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:32,360
So you know what they could do?

549
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Half of them go to Smackdown and half of them challenge Roman at the Rumble.

550
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,240
I can see him at the Rumble, yeah.

551
00:36:39,240 --> 00:36:41,220
So then you don't have to have Randy in the Rumble.

552
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:42,840
We know Randy's not going to win the Rumble.

553
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,840
Yeah.

554
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,840
Right.

555
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:45,840
So don't even put him in it.

556
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,040
Half of them, and you can tell a really good story for five, six weeks or so with Randy,

557
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:55,000
to your point, where he's just taken out Solo, taken out Jimmy and there's only one left.

558
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:59,280
I've been gone because of you guys and now you got to come eat this Roman and you do

559
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,280
that.

560
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,160
So man, like, I mean, if you think about what the Rumble could be, Cody wins the Rumble.

561
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:16,520
And if they don't wait and do Punk Seth, you go Punk Seth, Roman Randy, and Cody winning

562
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,000
the Rumble.

563
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:23,920
That is a, I was telling Rudy's watching Raw.

564
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,040
So like the way they did the Raw show, first thing you see is Orton, right?

565
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,320
So he leads off top of the first hour.

566
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,360
Into the first hour or, you know, top of the second hour is Cody.

567
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,560
Into the second hour, top of the third hour is Seth.

568
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,600
Into the third hour is CM Punk.

569
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,880
Man.

570
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,680
And that's, Goulter wasn't in a prominent spot.

571
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,400
Becky Lynch wasn't in a prominent spot on that show.

572
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,680
Like you just look, it's an embarrassment of riches.

573
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,960
But to your point with SmackDown, I think you do put them there.

574
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:05,080
And then now you have that that you can nurture for a couple months.

575
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,120
And then you still got the women killing it.

576
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Like EO's a fighting champion.

577
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,120
So you got the Becky, hopefully the Becky and Charlotte story being told.

578
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:14,120
You still got Bianca over there.

579
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,520
We still got LA Knight over there.

580
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,600
I know Logan Paul is scheduled to be there on Friday.

581
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,760
I don't know how often.

582
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,040
He made a comment a couple of weeks ago and we know he's always working.

583
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,680
So who knows where he says like he's basically done with boxing.

584
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Ain't no money in boxing.

585
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:27,840
He's a full-time wrestler now.

586
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,060
I don't know like if he's telling the truth or not.

587
00:38:31,060 --> 00:38:36,560
But if he's there, you know, semi-ruggerly, he's another massive name that they have at

588
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:37,720
their disposal.

589
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:40,240
But I do think that Orton probably should go to SmackDown.

590
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,240
Yeah.

591
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:45,040
He said that he drew like the line in the sand that he's going for the bloodline and

592
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,320
anybody associated with him.

593
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,920
So that's a perfect, perfect way to send him off.

594
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:56,760
It would be to give, like you said, give Randy and Roman something to do before hopefully

595
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,840
we get Roman and Cody at Mania.

596
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,880
We do, hey, you know, I'm not sure how long, do we know how long Punk's contract is?

597
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:05,880
They just said multi-year.

598
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,640
Multi-year, this is multi-year, right?

599
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,640
Yeah.

600
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:16,800
But for the next couple of years, we can have some really nice POEs and main events, right?

601
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,400
We talked about before Punk came back, like they have so many guys at the top of the card

602
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
right now that you can see.

603
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,880
You know, we talked about a couple of years ago that, you know, when Roman wrestled, we

604
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,920
didn't really see many people that can dethrone him.

605
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,600
I think if Roman was hot as he was a year or so ago, we got a couple of people now.

606
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,040
We got, you know, now we got CM Punk.

607
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,840
Or even to that point, if we knew Roman wasn't holding the title for Cody, while they say

608
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,400
there was no Cody Rhodes in completing the story and what happened at Mania, we probably

609
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:52,840
could name five or six people that right now, if you were to put him in a, you know, Rumble,

610
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,720
SummerSlam, WrestleMania main event, you'd be like, oh yeah, Roman's probably going to

611
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:56,720
drop that.

612
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:57,720
Yeah.

613
00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:58,720
So they're doing it.

614
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:59,720
They're doing fantastic.

615
00:39:59,720 --> 00:40:02,400
They're taking their time telling these stories.

616
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,440
So I'm excited.

617
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,360
Just thinking about who they have.

618
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,560
And it's crazy because only two people came back, but it felt like they fucking-

619
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Three people.

620
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Come on, we got to give it up for Truth now.

621
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,560
I was about to say that.

622
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Okay, my bad.

623
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,560
Truth.

624
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,560
I'm not done recapping Raw.

625
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:21,560
I'm not done recapping Raw.

626
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Okay?

627
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,560
You gotta give it to Truth.

628
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,560
Truth, he's trying to get into war games.

629
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,560
Let's go.

630
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,400
Look like he, man, that man's 51 years old, y'all.

631
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,400
Killing it.

632
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Great.

633
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,400
He looks great.

634
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,440
And his performance at war games?

635
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:35,440
Dude.

636
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,440
My man said, how'd I do?

637
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,760
Truth, you wasn't in war games, dude.

638
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,280
You gotta love Truth, man.

639
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,080
I told myself, I said, I think he is probably my favorite character in wrestling.

640
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,680
And when I mean character, I mean like that caricature, that favorite of how long.

641
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,680
I think it completely shot and skyrocketed when he got with Carmella and she did some

642
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,320
good stuff with him too.

643
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,800
When they would do dance breaks and stuff like that, who'd have thought dance breaks

644
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,480
would get over and stayed over for so long, as long as it did.

645
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Ever since then, I've like, I always liked K Quick to begin with, but then when he became

646
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,800
this our Truth, I'm like, okay, this guy is hilarious.

647
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,880
The only time he ran a little thin with me, and it wasn't because of him, but it was the

648
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,440
24-7 title.

649
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:22,440
I didn't find much fun.

650
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,440
I love the 24-7 title.

651
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,440
I didn't.

652
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,440
I hated it.

653
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:26,440
I loved it.

654
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,200
I loved the 24-7 title.

655
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,840
But like his stuff is always good.

656
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,600
And his stuff is like weekly, it's fantastic.

657
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,400
So yes, three returns.

658
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Hey, put him on SmackDown.

659
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,400
Yeah, put him on SmackDown.

660
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,400
Put him on SmackDown too.

661
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,400
Have him go against Solo a few times too.

662
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,400
That ain't gonna be good for him.

663
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,400
That ain't gonna be good for him.

664
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,440
But that's okay though.

665
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:50,440
Shinsuke.

666
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,440
Yes, finally.

667
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,720
He was shooting at Cody this entire time.

668
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:55,720
Finally.

669
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:56,720
Finally.

670
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:04,000
Would y'all feel about a six week, five week Cody and Shinsuke build?

671
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,360
Actually, it could probably be more than that.

672
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Call back to that.

673
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Put it right in your veins.

674
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:10,360
Put it right in your veins.

675
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:11,360
Remember a few episodes ago.

676
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,360
Yep.

677
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,360
You're getting me excited over here.

678
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Put that right in my veins, baby.

679
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,480
Put that right in my veins.

680
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,320
Even though I didn't want to believe it for a second, I did think Shinsuke was talking

681
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,400
about Punk.

682
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,360
But we found out, nope.

683
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,720
He's talking about Cody.

684
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:28,720
How perfect is it?

685
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:29,720
She know that's what it sound like.

686
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:31,920
You see she trying to just skate on over it.

687
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,120
Because we have a pod to do here.

688
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,120
Oh, sorry.

689
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,120
I'll be putting in work.

690
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,120
Listen.

691
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,120
You know what?

692
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,120
My bad.

693
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,120
I'm just... I'm on my bad.

694
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,120
You're right.

695
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,120
Y'all can get all this.

696
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,120
You're right.

697
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:44,120
My bad.

698
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:45,120
You're right.

699
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:54,080
For $9.99 a month on the upcoming... My bad.

700
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:55,080
You saw him about Shinsuke.

701
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Shinsuke and Cody.

702
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,080
Oh, man.

703
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:58,080
You made me lose my train of thought.

704
00:42:58,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Yeah.

705
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,080
We got... You're here for it.

706
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,080
You're here for it.

707
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:08,080
I'm going to go out on the limb and say E is not here for it.

708
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,080
I'm not here for it.

709
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,080
You said something about you wanted Matt to put it in you or something.

710
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,440
I don't know.

711
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,480
And I put my head down and decided I was going to edit it out of the pod.

712
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,080
So why are you not into Shinsuke versus Cody, E?

713
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,800
Oh, it's fine.

714
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,880
That's it?

715
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Yeah, it's just fine.

716
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,560
I'm watching it.

717
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Okay.

718
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:43,040
You know, we... For some of the same reasons why Seth and Shinsuke wasn't... I gave that

719
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,040
a chance.

720
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,200
And I like... I like you're doing something with Nakamura.

721
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,080
I think this is probably the best version of Nakamura we've seen in some time.

722
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:56,200
But I'm still not super interested in the character.

723
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,160
And I know Cody's going to beat that ass.

724
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,160
But it's fine.

725
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,400
I mean, Cody needs something to do.

726
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,400
We got to get that man-

727
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,400
Right.

728
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,400
Exactly.

729
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,400
... in some kind of a story, right?

730
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,400
He can't just be coming out there.

731
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,200
He sounds like the politician come out there, you know, he kisses a couple of babies, shakes

732
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,960
a couple of hands, he waves to the crowd, and he's sending back out, right?

733
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:15,480
We need him to do a little bit more than that.

734
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,200
So I'm cool with it.

735
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,200
Yeah.

736
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,720
I'm fine with it when he said Cody's name, because we have punk.

737
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:22,720
I was like, oh, that's cool.

738
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:25,320
Like, if we didn't have punk and it was... I was like, that was dumb.

739
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,480
Like, that could have been seeing punk spot.

740
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:28,480
Right.

741
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,480
Yeah.

742
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,480
And you know, you hit him with the mist.

743
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,400
I'm cool with it, because I'm like, okay, that's a good... More so for Shinsuke, because

744
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,520
you know, he came off of losing to Seth twice, and then he had a real quick feud with Ricochet,

745
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:44,080
it felt like, and that kind of just like stopped out of nowhere.

746
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,480
And he started with these promo videos, and we know who he's talking about.

747
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,480
I'm like, all right, Kay.

748
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,480
I'm like, cool.

749
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,520
That takes us to Rumble season.

750
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:52,520
I'm good with that.

751
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,400
And we don't have a pay-per-view, so I'm guessing we're going to get the blow off on a raw show

752
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,400
where they'll hype it up.

753
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,560
You know, what'd they say?

754
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,840
Seth is going against Jay next Monday.

755
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,840
Jay for the title.

756
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Well, we know what's going to happen there, but...

757
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,440
Which is what?

758
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,200
Jay's not going to win the title.

759
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,680
Is that due to Drew McIntyre interference or what?

760
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:20,200
Absolutely, and we can't not talk about that headbunt that Drew almost knocked his own

761
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,440
self out.

762
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,200
He wasn't playing baseball, so it wasn't a bunt, but it was a headbutt.

763
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Butt?

764
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,200
How you spell that?

765
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,200
It was a butt.

766
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,200
How you spell that?

767
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,920
H, you know, do that noise again you were doing.

768
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:32,920
B-U-T-T.

769
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,040
That's how you spell it.

770
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,040
It's a headbutt.

771
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Headbutt?

772
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,760
It should be a bunt.

773
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,760
Why would it be a bunt?

774
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,640
It's like, because you bunted it.

775
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,040
You've always thought that movie's called a headbutt?

776
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:52,640
So listen, I have my baseball in my hand, and if I do the little bunt, that's how his

777
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,640
head-

778
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Wait, wait, wait, wait.

779
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:55,640
That's the shoot?

780
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:56,640
You thought that you was headbutting?

781
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:57,640
I thought it was a bunt.

782
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,640
So why would we call it a headbutt?

783
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,640
That isn't even making any sense.

784
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,640
Oh my God.

785
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,640
A headbutt.

786
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,640
That is hilarious.

787
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:03,640
That is hilarious.

788
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:11,280
It's a headbutt, like you bunted a ball.

789
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,120
He bunt his head on the title.

790
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,240
Mine's making logical sense.

791
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,480
And I learned something new every podcast.

792
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,600
It's like, wow.

793
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:30,560
But if we talk about what would make more sense, a headbutt does not-

794
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Oh man, she still trying to explain this.

795
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:36,360
It says a headbutt is a targeted strike with the head, typically involving the use of robust

796
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,720
parts of the headbutter's cranium as the area of impact.

797
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,320
The most effective headbutt?

798
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,320
What?

799
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,880
We done a Rodincia Google moment in 30 shows.

800
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,880
She brought it back.

801
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:48,880
Oh my God.

802
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,880
That was hilarious.

803
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:50,880
Headbunting.

804
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:51,880
Wait, wait, wait.

805
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,880
No, no.

806
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:53,880
No, never mind.

807
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,880
Sorry.

808
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:55,880
Oh, you know what it is?

809
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:01,120
So the verb word of a headbutt is actually headbunting.

810
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,320
B-U-N-T-I-N-G, just so you know.

811
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:04,560
Oh, so you do that, right?

812
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:05,560
So you just short it in?

813
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Yep, that's exactly what it is.

814
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Yep, headbutt.

815
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,800
So I'm not doing the verb of it.

816
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:10,800
I'm just doing headbutt.

817
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,800
Anyway, poignant, whatever.

818
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:12,800
This show is just...

819
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,800
I said I was going to retire until punk leaves.

820
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,800
I think this is just all a disaster.

821
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,800
It's off the rails.

822
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:16,800
I almost closed out of this recording, see by accident.

823
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:17,800
Trying to close out my Google search.

824
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,800
Oh my God, man.

825
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,800
So guys.

826
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,800
You gave us a moment.

827
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,800
We appreciate it.

828
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:28,800
So guys, what did you guys think about the overall raw show?

829
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,800
For me, it was...

830
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:45,680
The stories of those hours I got talked about, beginning, first hour, end of the first hour.

831
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,040
That was the show.

832
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:53,480
In terms of matches, Ivar and Reed killed it, I thought.

833
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,480
I thought that was fantastic.

834
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,480
I like the Gauntlet match.

835
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,800
I don't know if they call it the Gauntlet match, but I'm calling it the Gauntlet match.

836
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,360
I love the tag, Gauntlet match.

837
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,520
That was pretty awesome.

838
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,920
The Kree brothers, they're pushing them something crazy, which again, I had nothing against

839
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,040
it.

840
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,000
So I'm happy to see that, for sure.

841
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,160
But overall, I thought raw was two thumbs up.

842
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,840
I was awake for it and alert from beginning 10.

843
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:21,200
The tag team, and shouts out to Fonzie, he popped me a little bit.

844
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,960
He said that he called it the tag team, jobber into the invitation tournament, something

845
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,960
of that nature.

846
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:27,960
I heard my feelings a little.

847
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:28,960
Good to know.

848
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,640
I thought about something.

849
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,920
So we haven't seen the ratings for the show yet, have we?

850
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,360
No, I can check real quick to see.

851
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,280
But I would imagine this is one of the shows that have the most eyes.

852
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,480
And kudos to WWE, man.

853
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,880
They know how to structure and set up a TV show.

854
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,960
They knew this show was going to have eyes on it.

855
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:55,400
And they made people tuning in for the first time in a while, tuning in for years, or tuning

856
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:56,560
in just in general.

857
00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:02,760
They made you sit through a whole three hour show to get to the main event, which is CM

858
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:07,040
Punk's first promo back on WWE TV.

859
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Great business.

860
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,040
Right?

861
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:17,800
Do you think though, hindsight, looking back, should they have really, really pumped that

862
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:21,400
show for main event talent?

863
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,240
Should we have seen a Becky match?

864
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:24,720
Should we have seen a Cody match?

865
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,540
Should we have really seen that?

866
00:49:26,540 --> 00:49:30,240
So to your point, if anybody's watching this show that haven't watched it, they're like,

867
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:31,600
all right, I got to lock in.

868
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,040
Because I don't know if anybody who watched Raw, say they don't watch WWE, or they don't

869
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,440
watch Raw at all.

870
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:42,880
I don't know if there was enough besides Seth and Jay teaser for next week.

871
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,800
I don't know if there was enough for them to say, oh man, I got to come back next Monday

872
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:46,800
and watch.

873
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,440
Here's Matt again, always stealing my thunder.

874
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:51,440
My bad.

875
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,440
That's exactly where I'm going.

876
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:53,440
You're stealing my topics.

877
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,880
I ain't never bring up no head bun, I tell you that.

878
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,880
Oh yeah.

879
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,440
You know, I'm still looking it up on the internet right now too.

880
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,440
I bet you are.

881
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,040
I swear to God, I'm looking it up here.

882
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:10,320
When you watch that show, and the way they kind of loaded up, I don't know they did enough

883
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,160
to kind of keep those people coming back.

884
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,880
Like the Fonzies of the world, to keep them watching show.

885
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:27,000
When I think about WWE in the past, and even in Triple H's run of creative, there's a lot

886
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,440
of long WWE style TV matches.

887
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,520
And that's exactly what that tag team terminal match was.

888
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,760
It was a long TV match.

889
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:43,600
And typically it's with guys who are lukewarm to kind of cold.

890
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,320
And they're putting these long form WWE style matches.

891
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:56,480
And I'm not sure if that tag team tomorrow match, especially as long as it was really

892
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,600
brought in viewers and men to keep going.

893
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:05,840
Because I saw a couple of guys who tuned in to Raw for the first time in a while.

894
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,160
And they were just saying like, ah, you know, the wrestling isn't up to par to AEW.

895
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,800
I saw someone say, go as far as say that they think that WWE does a great job telling the

896
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:21,600
stories outside the ring, but AEW does a better job of telling stories inside the ring.

897
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,920
I'm like, what?

898
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:29,240
AEW tells a better job of telling a story?

899
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:30,360
Through what high spot?

900
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,960
Through what no sale?

901
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:40,920
Through what I will say is that I think the AEW matches are faster paced.

902
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:46,160
They have more high spots, right?

903
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,680
With the WWE style, I think they are trying to tell a story with that tag team match.

904
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,120
It was evidence stories they were telling with that match with the Creed brothers.

905
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,880
They're trying to get those guys high, right?

906
00:51:53,880 --> 00:52:00,200
They're trying to show you the struggle and the thrive and them overcoming to get that

907
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:01,200
win.

908
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,200
And they did it, right?

909
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:03,200
They showcased their athleticism.

910
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,800
They have some great spots, but you have to tell the struggle so you can get invested

911
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,400
in seeing those guys win the match.

912
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,920
I get all that, but for me as a viewer, I'll be honest with you.

913
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,640
I was kind of bored.

914
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,000
I was sitting in the urgent care.

915
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:18,000
I'm watching the match.

916
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,840
I'm already kind of half tired.

917
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:24,760
And while maybe if I were sitting to come from my own home, maybe I might have gotten

918
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,760
into the slow paced storytelling that was demonstrating that match.

919
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,640
But how many guys who haven't watched wrestling in a long time tune into that match and say,

920
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,480
oh, this is what I need to see more of?

921
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,400
What if that match was a little bit faster paced and it got to the story a little bit

922
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:43,440
sooner so you can kind of get those guys coming back?

923
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:52,160
Well, so, but okay, so real quick then let's also not forget Punk just signed on Saturday,

924
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,680
right?

925
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:55,060
Like legit.

926
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:57,060
So this wasn't like planned.

927
00:52:57,060 --> 00:53:01,640
So I guess what I said earlier, maybe you don't do that because then I'll be knee jerk,

928
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:02,640
high shotting.

929
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Well, let's go back, your uncle Dave said he was signed 10 days ago.

930
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,320
Okay.

931
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:11,320
That's your uncle.

932
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,200
He needs to be handbunted.

933
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,200
So I don't know.

934
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,800
I got something for that for y'all too.

935
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,240
I don't know if you do that.

936
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:27,400
So yes, the show itself overall, was it if you take out those promos, right, which is

937
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,480
a lot to say, but if you take out those promos in the ring, could you miss that show?

938
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,480
Yeah.

939
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,400
It's a possible show, but this happens every November, December because especially now

940
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:44,540
that they don't have a pay-per-view in December, we're playing the long game to the rumble.

941
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:50,280
So I think there's gonna be a few raw shows over the next two months.

942
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,520
We'll be like, but not, I mean, I wouldn't, but that wasn't great.

943
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,800
But not this raw show, not this raw show.

944
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:02,440
They had enough time and I believe this wasn't, this was known before just tonight of, they

945
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:09,920
had a Sunday and all of Monday, not to rewrite the entire show, but to tweak a couple of

946
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:14,960
things to make it a little bit faster paced for people coming in and tuning in.

947
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:15,960
It gets to get them hooked.

948
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,440
And then you can go back to kind of weaning them into this is what we normally do, you

949
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:25,120
know, but there was a, they had a big opportunity to make that a big show.

950
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,600
Now on paper, was it with the interviews and segments?

951
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,480
Yeah, sure.

952
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:37,040
But I think from start to finish, you know, as you say, you take those bookends out, it

953
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,920
was your average raw show, which doesn't make it a bad show.

954
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,600
It just makes it an average show.

955
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:49,160
Or maybe even less than average because no Gunther, no Ricochet.

956
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:50,440
We already talked about who else didn't wrestle.

957
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,400
They were in the promo segments.

958
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,480
Did Jay, Jay didn't wrestle either, right?

959
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,240
No, he came out and said Cody.

960
00:54:56,240 --> 00:54:57,240
Yeah.

961
00:54:57,240 --> 00:54:58,800
I mean, so you're, you're major players.

962
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,840
The big guys didn't, the big guys didn't wrestle.

963
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:02,840
And your big woman.

964
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,560
Well, no, we had a die up fight.

965
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,560
I'm talking about like Becky.

966
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,960
I mean, Becky's the star on that raw brand.

967
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,640
Well, I, I'm going to personally completely disagree with y'all.

968
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,920
I thought that this raw was exactly what it needed to be.

969
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:23,640
You had two returns of very important people and them setting up possible storylines.

970
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,880
The bookends that you mentioned were hell of a bookends.

971
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,080
I mean, let's think about it.

972
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,600
You just said Orton, Seth, Drew, Cody, Punk.

973
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:33,600
Those are hell of bookends.

974
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,040
So I'm sorry that if they couldn't get another good match to throw in there, it's okay.

975
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:43,880
If this raw right after war games was like that, I'm completely fine with it.

976
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,800
Now you add and sprinkle on that we don't have another pay-per-view until January.

977
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,040
Then this makes even more sense.

978
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,280
I thought last night's show was exactly what it should have been.

979
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,160
And I have no problems with it at all.

980
00:55:55,160 --> 00:56:00,560
All right, are you coming from a perspective of you as a fan, a hardcore fan who watches

981
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,200
all the shows or are you thinking that from somebody who's just tuning in for the first

982
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,800
time that's having watched punk or watched shows?

983
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,400
Yeah, he's talking about that person who maybe they're only AEW fans and they're tuning in

984
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,400
just to see Punk.

985
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,400
Was that enough for you to come back?

986
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:17,360
But I don't know if maybe, of course I would imagine that any producer, anybody who puts

987
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,720
on the show, they know that they have two people coming back, huge names like that,

988
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,360
that you would probably want to be able to hook people in.

989
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,040
So when I'm about to say myself, I sound like I'm talking on both sides of my ass, but for

990
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:34,720
me, I feel like they, I'm losing my train of thought here.

991
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:35,720
Sorry.

992
00:56:35,720 --> 00:56:36,720
I just got to mess with you.

993
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:37,720
Still thinking about that punk?

994
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:38,720
No, no, I feel like I'm hitting it too hard.

995
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:39,720
You got hit on it too hard.

996
00:56:39,720 --> 00:56:42,280
I just got hit on it here.

997
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,600
But as far as, okay, new fans coming in to watch, yeah, you should probably produce a

998
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,880
show that if somebody's going to come in, I know I'm going to get eyes on the show,

999
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,440
I'm going to get eyes on the product.

1000
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,440
So you should hook them.

1001
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:56,440
But I don't know if I would want it to been anything different than what I saw yesterday.

1002
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,740
I would not want another match to be in there that shows maybe showcased the great talents

1003
00:57:01,740 --> 00:57:05,200
that y'all mentioned that didn't have a match because it's going to be overshadowed anyways

1004
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,480
by your Randy Orton, your Drew, your Seth and your CM Punk.

1005
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,840
So to me, I think that's perfectly fine.

1006
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:11,840
100%.

1007
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,520
Now someone like Afan's coming in and the only real match he probably saw was the Gauntlet

1008
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,520
match.

1009
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Okay, maybe that's not going to keep him to turn back and tune back in again.

1010
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:23,080
But we always talk about when it comes to WWE has been about stories.

1011
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,440
So we have four segments that talked about stories.

1012
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:30,520
So to me, I completely feel like they did exactly what they were supposed to do with

1013
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:31,520
that show.

1014
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,000
Now, could you may tweaks?

1015
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,400
Okay, maybe, but I'm completely fine with how they produce that show.

1016
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:44,080
Yeah, no, the majority of feedback online was that wasn't it?

1017
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,080
The majority.

1018
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,080
Yep.

1019
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,080
Wow.

1020
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,080
Not that it was, it wasn't horrible.

1021
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,080
Nobody was in a bad show at all.

1022
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,080
Yeah.

1023
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,560
It was just that, hey, you got an opportunity to really lock in folks that aren't maybe

1024
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:59,800
watching this show normally and there was nothing special about the show outside of-

1025
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:00,800
So then how do you do that?

1026
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,760
I know you said maybe put in another more, like a match of one of those big names that

1027
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,120
y'all mentioned that didn't have a match.

1028
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,120
How else should it have looked?

1029
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,440
No, I mean, you could have done that.

1030
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,460
You could have switched out a couple of matches and had your stars in it because we're going

1031
00:58:14,460 --> 00:58:21,960
off of only if you don't watch WWE typically, there was a lot of people who tuned in from

1032
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:22,960
what we can see.

1033
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:23,960
Yeah.

1034
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,360
And the ratings aren't out yet, but they don't typically watch Raw.

1035
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,520
So let me check it out because I know Punk's going to be there.

1036
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,360
That's when, like I said, you put out there some of your biggest names.

1037
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,480
That's what AEW would have done.

1038
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,160
And I can't wait to watch Dynamite.

1039
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:43,880
Yeah, we already have the tournament matches set, but I'm sure they're going to have some

1040
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,600
eyeballs on them to see how do they react to seeing Punk going to WWE.

1041
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:49,600
And they're going to put their best foot forward.

1042
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:50,600
Right?

1043
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:51,600
And that's not to say WWE didn't.

1044
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:56,520
All I'm saying is you had an opportunity to maybe hook them with something and I don't

1045
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,840
know the hook was there.

1046
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,840
Somebody who doesn't watch Raw.

1047
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:00,840
You got to say it.

1048
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:01,840
Somebody who doesn't watch Raw.

1049
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:02,840
It doesn't matter.

1050
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,840
If you don't watch Raw.

1051
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:04,840
If you don't watch Raw.

1052
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:05,840
Yeah.

1053
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,440
What did you see on Monday that's going to make you watch Raw next Monday?

1054
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,440
I saw Drew in his boxers.

1055
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,440
I already know Drew.

1056
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:13,440
No, no, no, no, no.

1057
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,440
I already know Drew.

1058
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,440
I saw Randy come back.

1059
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:16,440
I saw that.

1060
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,000
I know Randy came back at WarGames.

1061
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,880
So then you can't keep moving the goalposts if I'm giving you examples.

1062
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:21,880
But those aren't examples.

1063
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:22,880
How about this?

1064
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,480
Those are people that they've been there.

1065
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,600
When CM Punk returned to AEW the first time or the second time, I don't remember a Nans

1066
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,360
single match on that show.

1067
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,200
I remember Punk returning on any of them.

1068
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,040
When he first came back, when he passed out ice cream bars.

1069
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:39,040
It's the same thing.

1070
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,040
It's the same thing.

1071
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,120
It's not supposed to.

1072
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:46,160
But not really because we talk about AEW not allowing us to breathe sometimes.

1073
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,760
They throw so much at us and you enjoy that format.

1074
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,320
That's what we're saying WWE could have done.

1075
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,440
Not to that level.

1076
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,920
But there's so many times where you forget what happened in segment two on the Dynamite

1077
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,400
because they gave us so much and you don't know what's important because everything was

1078
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,480
just awesome and great and car crash and fast pace that you're just like, whoa, hold on

1079
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,480
a second.

1080
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,480
Damn, I forgot that even happened.

1081
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,800
I just think that y'all being overly critical though of Raw because again, I'm tuning into

1082
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:18,320
Raw not to watch the great matches that I'm going to see of these new people and highlight

1083
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:19,320
these other people.

1084
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:23,000
I'm watching Raw because I want to see the return of Randy Orton, the return of R-Truth

1085
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,560
and the return of CM Punk.

1086
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:31,640
But the thing is, you talk about the sandwich, right?

1087
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:36,200
And here's funny, I was in a corporate training and I mentioned the benefit sandwich and they

1088
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,680
call it the shit sandwich or something.

1089
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,680
That's what it is.

1090
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,240
And that's what you kind of got, right?

1091
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,160
You get a hot interview segment.

1092
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:48,160
A shit sandwich?

1093
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,000
You call him a shit sandwich?

1094
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,680
You got a hot, I'm talking about not from Rhodesia the super fan.

1095
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,880
I'm talking about Joey who hasn't watched the show in years.

1096
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:05,960
You got this guy I know and then in the middle, I got a long ass match from guys I don't know.

1097
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:13,440
And they're giving me a slow storytelling match that I have to, that I'm not particularly

1098
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,440
invested into the characters.

1099
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,280
So I'm not maybe invested in the story that they're telling me, right?

1100
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:23,760
Because I'm not invested in those specific characters, but you're putting them in front

1101
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,240
of me for a long period of time, right?

1102
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:33,160
And they had countless encounters and matches where there were guys that weren't over with

1103
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:37,880
the returning or new audience, right?

1104
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,480
So that's what it is.

1105
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,240
That's what people are, you need to have something kind of popping for them throughout the show.

1106
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:50,320
We have a three hour show and we're talking about, you're giving me, but hold on, you're

1107
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,880
talking about a three hour show and you're talking about 35 minutes of it.

1108
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:00,320
But listen, we talk about a show and we can leave this too, but we're talking about, we

1109
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,800
need to put on a showcase show, talking about Raw from last night.

1110
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:09,100
And they gave us that, they gave us all the top heavy hitters, they gave us segments.

1111
01:02:09,100 --> 01:02:15,760
We saw everybody, it's maybe Shepard Gunter, I'm not sure if you saw Gunter.

1112
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:20,220
We saw everybody and we saw a showcase of a Gauntlet matchup, all the up and coming

1113
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:21,220
tag teams.

1114
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:23,720
I don't understand how this was not a showcase.

1115
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:29,160
Now maybe it didn't get those people who turned on the channel that was a fan that came back

1116
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:32,880
to like it, but we don't know if somebody who's brand new to wrestling turned it on

1117
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,240
last night and said, oh, actually I do like this.

1118
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,520
They do have a lot of people.

1119
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:41,280
When you think of a showcase show is to put everybody on, get everybody air time and showcase

1120
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:42,680
what you have in talent.

1121
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,920
We saw everybody maybe except for Becky Lynch.

1122
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,480
No, we saw her too.

1123
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,520
She got a 42 second promo.

1124
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,040
We saw everybody you mentioned for about a total of 35 to 40 minutes of the three hour

1125
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,040
show.

1126
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,360
And everyone tuned in to see CM Punk and we got them at the end of the show.

1127
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:09,080
And so the tag team match that you like had DIY who you're not engaged in right now.

1128
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:10,080
I'm not sure.

1129
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:11,080
Oh, I am.

1130
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:12,080
New fans.

1131
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,080
No, she loves their theme song too.

1132
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:15,080
I absolutely am.

1133
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,080
I absolutely am.

1134
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:20,080
And I thought they were going to win until then the Creed brothers came in.

1135
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,720
She likes DIY, but she doesn't like Randy Orton.

1136
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:23,720
Moving on.

1137
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:29,600
We were talking about stories and talking about AEW and this news broke and MJF tweeted

1138
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:31,720
it and then untweeted it.

1139
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:32,720
He deleted it.

1140
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,920
He said he just got an MRI and he tore his labrum in his left shoulder.

1141
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,240
He said he'd still be defending his title at Worlds and he believes in AEW.

1142
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:43,080
Him saying he believes in AEW.

1143
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:47,400
Maybe they completely dropped this whole contract world of 2024.

1144
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,040
Because if he didn't have a contract, I don't see him saying that.

1145
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,340
He deleted that.

1146
01:03:51,340 --> 01:03:58,400
But we do know it is confirmed that he does have a torn labrum and he also dislocated

1147
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,360
his hip during the match and they had to pop it back in place afterwards.

1148
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:03,000
So he's banged up right now.

1149
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,680
Looks like he's still going to defend his title against Samoa Joe.

1150
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:11,840
I think they were saying on the quick end torn labrums are four to six weeks.

1151
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,080
He's going to try to rehab it and not have surgery.

1152
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:21,320
I already thought Joe should have won the title and then we get the devil debut or the

1153
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,320
world's end.

1154
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:28,960
After the races in January telling that story, I think now you may have to pull that trigger.

1155
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,760
I don't know how long he's going to be out.

1156
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:32,320
That's a blow for them right now.

1157
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,920
I don't think he was probably going to work any wrestling matches before Worlds end, but

1158
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:43,840
hopefully he gets better quick because that one does kind of suck.

1159
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,320
It's a big time for AEW.

1160
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,560
There's a lot of information and I know you wanted to bring up the QT Marshall thing,

1161
01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:52,520
so I'll throw it to you.

1162
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,680
There's a lot of, and it's starting to make sense of why we feel like their shows are

1163
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:03,000
disjointed at times on TV because it sounds like there's a lot of different voices and

1164
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:09,200
opinions backstage and we're seeing that reflect on weekly TV.

1165
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,520
So I know what QT tweeted, he left, right?

1166
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,960
Effective like immediately he's leaving or he's not under contract anymore.

1167
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:22,440
Or he'll fulfill his contract by the end of December, by the end of this year he'd be

1168
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:24,720
completed or fulfilled his contract.

1169
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:25,720
Yeah.

1170
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:32,920
Let me pull up an actual quote, but hey, Rhodesia, did you have any thoughts on the MJF entry

1171
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:36,080
while it's up?

1172
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,960
When that came out, first off, I'm speechless and that doesn't happen often.

1173
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,480
I'm just at a loss for words.

1174
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:48,480
I'm nervous for A.W. because we look in like the last seven months, six months, you got

1175
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,600
to see him punk leaving.

1176
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,520
You have really low attendance sales.

1177
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:58,680
Adam Cole gets injured when he was about to be in a prominent position spot.

1178
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,040
Adam Copeland didn't come back to what we maybe, guess what we thought he was going

1179
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,040
to come to.

1180
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:04,920
Punk now goes back to WWE.

1181
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:05,920
That's y'all.

1182
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:06,920
Adam Copeland's doing just fine.

1183
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,960
He cut a hell of a promo on Collision.

1184
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:11,960
Y'all got to go back and watch that.

1185
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,800
I'm sure neither one of you saw it.

1186
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,200
It's on YouTube.

1187
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,200
He cut a boy.

1188
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:17,200
He did a piece of business.

1189
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,200
Okay, well maybe that's a step in the right direction.

1190
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,800
Yeah, but it's around with Christian.

1191
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,760
So, yes, but-

1192
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,760
And now you're talking about MJF is being injured?

1193
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,760
Wow.

1194
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,080
I'm a little bit nervous there.

1195
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,120
I'm a little bit nervous.

1196
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,200
Do we know what spot injured him?

1197
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,200
The top rope.

1198
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:37,200
Was it a Hurricanrana?

1199
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:38,200
The elbow drop, right?

1200
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,120
I remember seeing the move and I was like, hmm, okay.

1201
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,120
The elbow drop, right?

1202
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,600
No, that was where his hip came out of place.

1203
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:46,600
Okay.

1204
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,320
Yeah, his shoulder was, what was it?

1205
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,160
It was a top rope move though.

1206
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,360
In the ring, not the one off the ring where he did the elbow.

1207
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,240
Use them on in the ring one.

1208
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:57,240
Okay.

1209
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,240
Yep.

1210
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,240
Yep, yep.

1211
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,240
No, I'm nervous.

1212
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,880
I'm nervous for AEW just because of those things that I just mentioned.

1213
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,080
All the momentum is at WWE right now.

1214
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:08,200
I mean, I'm not nervous for MJF because I don't think he was going to wrestle.

1215
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:11,320
I mean, I guess he could have wrestled on TV up to this time, but as long as he can

1216
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:17,280
go and he can still show up to TV, you're fine because we're talking about story, right?

1217
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,360
You can still tell the story of Samoa Joe match, joking, do any type of physicality

1218
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:27,120
to kind of tell that story through it to get us to the end of December.

1219
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:32,080
So I think there'll be okay there, but I do know what you mean from the momentum perspective.

1220
01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,280
And then you have the stuff about QT.

1221
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:36,280
Yeah I do.

1222
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,280
And if he can rehab in four to five weeks, I think they can work around that.

1223
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:43,120
You know, so hopefully, you know, he's able to come back soon.

1224
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,640
But so it wasn't necessarily no QT leaving.

1225
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:51,000
So like, I actually like the idea of QT leaving.

1226
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:56,760
I thought no, the QT, the wrestler, the personality, the QT, the rest of the personality.

1227
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,280
I thought, you know, I like the stuff he did with the factory.

1228
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,320
I wasn't a fan of the stuff with the QTV stuff he did here.

1229
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:08,480
But just reading something that he said here, he said the company has changed a lot since

1230
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,480
2019 and is heading in a different direction.

1231
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:19,560
And I feel that as best I do the same as we only get one chance to go all in.

1232
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:25,960
And what I thought about was like, wow, this is QT leaving or resigning.

1233
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,520
And he was one of Tony's confidants.

1234
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:33,720
I know he's part of their creative and he's leaving.

1235
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:40,080
And he mentioned that the show has changed since he's been in the company.

1236
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,760
As everyone, that was what, three years ago, everyone should change and grow.

1237
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:49,040
But my thought is that, is it growing in the right direction?

1238
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,800
Because I hear a lot of fans say that AEW has changed.

1239
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,120
It's not the same.

1240
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,440
It's not what they fell in love with anymore.

1241
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:02,440
And we go to the live shows and arenas, you guys more recently than me.

1242
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:06,880
But even at this last show I went to here in Georgia, it wasn't nearly at capacity as

1243
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,920
it had been years past.

1244
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:13,320
We've seen the attendance for Collision and some of the Dynamite shows, et cetera.

1245
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:21,840
So we know that the fan base is shrinking and maybe not as paying like they used to.

1246
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:25,640
I'm kind of concerned about the company.

1247
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:30,280
When I think about the company, not from a talent standpoint.

1248
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:36,160
When he got Swerve, who was on the rise, he got MJF, who I believe is signed with the

1249
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:37,160
company.

1250
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:42,120
He still got Hangman Page, who's proven he is part of the elite.

1251
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,400
You got Kenny Omega, you got Will Ospreay coming sometime next year.

1252
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:48,040
So from a talent standpoint, it's not the issue.

1253
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:52,580
I just think from an organization standpoint, I'm a little concerned about what's happening

1254
01:09:52,580 --> 01:09:53,580
with them.

1255
01:09:53,580 --> 01:09:55,800
That's why I said I'm nervous about AEW.

1256
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:56,800
That's all that.

1257
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:57,800
But it's all that though.

1258
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:58,800
It's not the wrestlers.

1259
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:05,680
And it's just like, you know, we got somebody who was working closely with Tony Khan behind

1260
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:10,040
the scenes resigning and saying the company isn't the same and he thinks it's possibly

1261
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,360
going in the wrong direction.

1262
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,640
And I hear so many fans saying it's not what it used to be.

1263
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,200
I just wonder, is it going down the road of WCW?

1264
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:25,640
Because a lot of the backstage stuff, the lack of leadership, the lack of proper planning

1265
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:32,480
is what did AEW in, I'm sorry, WCW, of course, the finances, but that company was so mismanaged

1266
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,280
and lacked such leadership that it eventually just went away.

1267
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:42,080
And I'm just worried, is AEW and Tony Khan going down a similar path?

1268
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,080
So this is what I think.

1269
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:47,360
I think, no, AEW's going to be around.

1270
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:48,360
We know that, right?

1271
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:54,920
AEW is going to be here for as long as they have TV and they're going to get TV.

1272
01:10:54,920 --> 01:11:05,960
I think where the worrisome part comes in at is where and what are we?

1273
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:15,840
I'm on social media a ton and there is a group of AEW fans that are saying AEW needs to stop

1274
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:22,720
being WWE light and get back to what you do.

1275
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:32,540
There's another set of fans that says, and I'm in this set of fans, we need to tell better

1276
01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:39,760
stories and spend as much time as developing our characters as we are just putting matches

1277
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,840
together on weekly shows.

1278
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:51,640
Then there's another set of fans that are, nothing's wrong, everything AEW does is right

1279
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:57,640
and I love it and it can't get any better.

1280
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:00,360
I don't think I'm missing any segment of fans, fans that matter.

1281
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,280
There's some people who just shit on AEW, whatever, we're not talking about them.

1282
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:08,600
We're talking about people that actually care and want to see this company do right.

1283
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:16,400
While you were talking, E, I pulled up some information about the QT thing.

1284
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:21,360
It says, according to AEW sources, QT Marshall was not a fan of some of the shifts in AEW

1285
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:28,580
creative and felt the company wasn't telling great stories the way they used to.

1286
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:37,440
In his view, putting on a bunch of high end, high work rate matches with no story or build

1287
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:42,120
is being like NJPW, we're told.

1288
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,400
Who alleged he's saying this?

1289
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,400
QT.

1290
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,040
Got it.

1291
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,600
That's his thought.

1292
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:54,240
E read his statement and talked about the vision, it's different.

1293
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:58,120
I'll disagree about NJPW not having stories.

1294
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,640
I completely disagree with that.

1295
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:02,600
I can't speak for NJPW over the last few years.

1296
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:03,600
I've said that before.

1297
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:09,000
Since AEW's come, I haven't watched a lot of NJPW, I'll still catch every Russell Kingdom,

1298
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:12,960
but that's kind of about it.

1299
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:18,760
I agree with the part about the high end matches aren't enough.

1300
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:23,120
I'm not saying it needs to be, and this is where we talk about WWE light.

1301
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:28,920
I think what that fan base is saying, those segment of fans is, we don't want 20 minute

1302
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,560
in-ring promos.

1303
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:35,320
We don't need hokey backstage segments.

1304
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:38,320
I think that's what they mean by WWE light.

1305
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:41,880
We know WWE has a way of telling stories.

1306
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,660
You can absolutely tell stories in the ring.

1307
01:13:45,660 --> 01:13:52,120
My problem recently with AEW, and it sounds like we got to fight here people backstage

1308
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:56,760
on what should be what, and Tony Khan is going to win because he's the owner.

1309
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:03,240
What they were also saying was this tournament is based upon what QT doesn't like and where

1310
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,360
Tony wants to go.

1311
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,920
Telling stories during matches in the ring, IE a tournament like NJPW.

1312
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:18,680
But my issue is I don't think we are telling enough character stories.

1313
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:22,400
Find out a way for me to care about these people.

1314
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,140
Keith Lee was on collision.

1315
01:14:24,140 --> 01:14:27,320
He worked against Lee Moriarty, pretty solid match.

1316
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:33,640
Keith Lee cuts a promo at the end of the match and says, I'm tired of being the nice guy.

1317
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,480
I'm tired of not getting what I want.

1318
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:37,520
I'm coming for him and y'all know who him is.

1319
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,040
Who is him?

1320
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,160
On commentary, they try to make it seem like it was-

1321
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:42,880
It better not be MJF.

1322
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,880
No, on commentary, I knew you were saying it.

1323
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:45,880
No, he's busy already.

1324
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:47,920
It better not be MJF.

1325
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,280
They were talking about being Shane Taylor because that feud never finished.

1326
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:59,480
But then I'm going to look at that and say, he's probably talking about Swerve, right?

1327
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:00,480
We still waiting for that to finish.

1328
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,360
We never finished that.

1329
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:06,560
That's what I mean by stories.

1330
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,880
Why is Keith Lee doing this?

1331
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:14,240
We know Swerve has a story right now and he is off to the races.

1332
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,840
MJF has a story, Adam Cole.

1333
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,240
They do have people that are telling stories, but some of these matches they just put on,

1334
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,680
I don't care if it was an incredible match on its own because it doesn't matter.

1335
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,680
Okay, great.

1336
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:25,680
That was a great match.

1337
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:29,120
You're going to give me great matches, but I want to know why should I care about that

1338
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:30,120
match?

1339
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,680
Then I also want to know, okay, you had a great match on Wednesday.

1340
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,280
When's the next time I'm going to see you?

1341
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,320
Am I going to see you and it's going to be a follow-up next Wednesday or are we not going

1342
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,960
to even mention this match again until three weeks later where now you're wrestling somebody

1343
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:48,880
else or you're in a random backstage segment just to set up a match on Rampage or on Collision

1344
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,160
that Saturday?

1345
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:55,120
That is, I think, the crux of their issues for TV.

1346
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,640
You get people hot, people are going to start paying for your product.

1347
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,520
I know we're going to skip it because we're running out of time, but I know E1, the question

1348
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:11,520
you kind of had was what do we like better between Survivor Series and full gear?

1349
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:16,240
We can maybe even come back to that, but what I can tell you is we were at Dynamite last

1350
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:24,120
Wednesday and we were also at SmackDown on Friday and there was a stark contrast in crowds.

1351
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:27,440
Two years ago, three years ago, AEW was the party.

1352
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:29,320
AEW was the hot ticket.

1353
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,200
AEW was the cool kid.

1354
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:37,120
When you went to an AEW show, I said it was like the difference of listening to your favorite

1355
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:44,120
musician on the best speaker system you could find, which was WWE, or it was listening to

1356
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,000
your favorite artist at a live concert.

1357
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,080
That was AEW.

1358
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:50,480
It is completely different now.

1359
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:55,640
The filling of a, and yes, it's Chicago and it was Survivor Series weekend, but I'm only

1360
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,640
talking about SmackDown.

1361
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,360
I'm not talking about Survivor Series.

1362
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:05,040
The filling in that arena, in Allstate Arena, was 10 times the energy.

1363
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:08,640
Yeah, you're talking difference also of 5,000 people compared to 17,000 people.

1364
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:13,200
Let's say we had double people, or triple people in that case, yeah.

1365
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:14,200
Who's fought is that?

1366
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:15,200
Oh, yeah, right.

1367
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:16,200
For sure.

1368
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:17,200
For sure.

1369
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,280
Because even if they sold out, we can get 11,000 people in the ring trust arena.

1370
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:24,320
So 11 to 17 is still, all right, we can have that conversation.

1371
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,040
It was just, it wasn't the same.

1372
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,040
It wasn't the same.

1373
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:34,000
And for me who has gone to every single AEW show that's been in Chicago, we've flown into

1374
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:37,000
Vegas and all this other stuff to kind of see where they are now.

1375
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:42,480
It is a little disheartening because I just feel like, what are we doing?

1376
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:44,800
I want them to right the ship.

1377
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,680
We know how much competition helps.

1378
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:52,400
And I didn't watch Collision until today, just how busy we were this past weekend.

1379
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,720
And it wasn't a missable show because it has some really good matches on it.

1380
01:17:55,720 --> 01:18:01,200
But if I missed it, I would have only missed good matches.

1381
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:05,440
I wouldn't have missed, I wouldn't have missed like, yeah, yeah.

1382
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,520
But I wouldn't have missed something where it's like, okay, I got to keep watching Collision

1383
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:13,360
because if you don't watch Collision, you're going to be completely lost on the happenings.

1384
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:14,920
And I think they got to get to that.

1385
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,020
That's what Dynamite used to be.

1386
01:18:17,020 --> 01:18:19,040
Every single week is like, I mean, you missed Dynamite.

1387
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,640
Good luck catching up because holy hell, was that an incredible show?

1388
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,920
And they just got to get back to that identity, but they got to figure out what that identity

1389
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:26,920
is.

1390
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,680
And it sounds like it's going to be sports centric and telling stories in the wrestling

1391
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,680
matches.

1392
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,400
When you, I saw that thing about QT resigning.

1393
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,120
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he a Cody guy anyway?

1394
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,120
Oh yeah.

1395
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,120
Yeah.

1396
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:41,960
But he was also a TK guy.

1397
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:43,440
He was also a TK guy.

1398
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:47,480
But originally though, he was down with Cody.

1399
01:18:47,480 --> 01:18:52,000
And to me, when Cody left, I just knew it was just a matter of time of QT leaving.

1400
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,040
I know you mentioned he did like 750 formats.

1401
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,920
I'm assuming that's like maybe scripts.

1402
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,880
I don't want to say shows because that's like a lot of shows, but 750 formats that's under

1403
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:02,520
his belt.

1404
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:03,520
Maybe this is a great thing.

1405
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:04,760
Not maybe, this is a good thing.

1406
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,880
Maybe the only thing, the only constant in life has changed and let them go do something

1407
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,560
else.

1408
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:19,200
We said that we wanted AEW to have maybe better writing or some writing or something different.

1409
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:25,240
Maybe that could be the start, the jumpstart of creating a new creative team.

1410
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:29,400
And maybe we can get what they're trying to achieve, which is like you said, telling these

1411
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:33,880
stories in the ring, but just in a way that's true to them because evidently maybe they

1412
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:35,840
don't want to be WWE light.

1413
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:41,280
Maybe they just want to tell these great stories in the ring and there's a place for that.

1414
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,400
They just have to do it to the point where for the people who really enjoy it, they're

1415
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:46,400
not going to lose them.

1416
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:48,720
And I know you're a business, you want to keep growing.

1417
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:49,960
That is the plan.

1418
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:52,720
But right now there's kind of identity crisis there.

1419
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:59,280
I think definitely the company needs to settle in and understand that there's no war.

1420
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:00,280
There's no war.

1421
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:04,560
WWE is on a whole another level.

1422
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,360
They're on a whole different vibe.

1423
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,440
AEW can't catch up.

1424
01:20:08,440 --> 01:20:10,200
And they shouldn't have to worry about that.

1425
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,840
They should settle in being the number two company in the business right now.

1426
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,280
And there's nothing wrong with that.

1427
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:20,880
And they should focus on being an alternative for the people who want that.

1428
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:24,880
Because there are still people who prefer that style over WWE.

1429
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:31,880
But as Bat said, they need to understand what brought them to the dance.

1430
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:37,360
What made us fall in love with AEW in the first place?

1431
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,220
What made that product red hot?

1432
01:20:41,220 --> 01:20:45,600
Get back to the basics and then build from that.

1433
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,560
But here's the reason why I'm just concerned.

1434
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:52,600
I just don't think the people that are inside the company are capable of making the necessary

1435
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,560
changes and adjustments to right in the ship.

1436
01:20:55,560 --> 01:21:04,040
Because when you keep constantly seeing attendance going down and you got another red hot program,

1437
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:10,360
I think it's just going to be a matter of time to where we start seeing dynamite maybe.

1438
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:14,720
Because a year or so ago, they were at least giving us close to a million.

1439
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:16,880
Right now, they're lucky to break 800.

1440
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,080
Barely, they're celebrating doing 600.

1441
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:21,520
You got Rampage.

1442
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,520
I don't know what they're doing.

1443
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:23,520
I think they're doing 300 sometimes.

1444
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:26,760
And you got these empty arenas.

1445
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,400
It's just not going down the correct road.

1446
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:37,680
And I don't know if people involved understand exactly what's happening or how to make adjustments.

1447
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:38,880
And I don't want AEW to go away.

1448
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:39,880
I want it to flourish.

1449
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:40,880
I want it to do well.

1450
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,160
Like, hey, be number two.

1451
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,520
It's the LeBron and MJ conversation.

1452
01:21:46,520 --> 01:21:48,600
There's nothing wrong with LeBron James being number two.

1453
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,960
And we all know Michael Jordan is number two, and there's nothing wrong with Jordan being

1454
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:53,960
number two.

1455
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:57,240
It is nothing wrong with you being number two to LeBron James.

1456
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:58,240
There's nothing wrong with that.

1457
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,240
It's nothing wrong.

1458
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:00,240
Right?

1459
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,600
Actually, everybody's number two to Tony Cooke Coach, but that's just on NBA Jam.

1460
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,000
Oh man.

1461
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,600
Big Bill brought up Tony Cooke Coach in a promo.

1462
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,600
That's for real.

1463
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,120
He sure did.

1464
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:15,200
One thing I want to do, and not now, maybe in the future, because I think we really need

1465
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,920
to take some time to think about this.

1466
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:21,880
We need to come back and talk about what is different from AEW then and now.

1467
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:25,640
And just from first initial thinking in my head, I don't think there's that much of a

1468
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:26,640
difference.

1469
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:30,700
I just think that the shock and awe we got in the very beginning is already kind of stale

1470
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:31,700
to us.

1471
01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:32,700
Not stale.

1472
01:22:32,700 --> 01:22:34,360
I'm just using that word for a lack of words right now.

1473
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:38,800
But I think we should come back to this and say, hey, from when it first came out, when

1474
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,680
it was first debuted, what is really different?

1475
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,220
And that could also be the thing too.

1476
01:22:44,220 --> 01:22:46,740
It's not really different and you're supposed to grow in time.

1477
01:22:46,740 --> 01:22:48,560
But I want us to come back and talk about that.

1478
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:49,560
Yeah.

1479
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:50,560
I mean, no, I think that's a good one.

1480
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:51,560
We can maybe even do that on Sunday.

1481
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,280
The honeymoon stage is over.

1482
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,040
Well, more than that though.

1483
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,040
But more, right.

1484
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:57,040
But what I'm saying-

1485
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:03,760
Okay, the honeymoon stage is over with man, that mistress who was 800 pounds and never

1486
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:06,320
took a shower.

1487
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,960
That woman got on a weight loss plan.

1488
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,120
She taking showers every day.

1489
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:11,440
She got on perfume.

1490
01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,500
She looking mighty fine.

1491
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:14,500
And that's WWE.

1492
01:23:14,500 --> 01:23:16,500
WWE sucked with AEW.

1493
01:23:16,500 --> 01:23:17,500
That's what I'm saying.

1494
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:21,720
We need to really come back and think about that in totality.

1495
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,480
Is there really a difference with the product of AEW, not the other factors that we got

1496
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:27,640
going on?

1497
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,680
But is there really a difference there?

1498
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,840
And I don't think we can answer just right now in the next five minutes.

1499
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,840
So we should bring that back.

1500
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:38,780
Yeah, we'll talk about that on Sunday for sure.

1501
01:23:38,780 --> 01:23:46,560
So we'll see with now us kind of hearing the whole QT thing and their thought process,

1502
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:48,520
the timeline is really making sense of what we're seeing.

1503
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:49,760
I said the tournament is right now.

1504
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:53,420
His tournament is going to take us to December 30th.

1505
01:23:53,420 --> 01:23:59,720
And then that's going to take us to the next saga of MJF, Adam Cole.

1506
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:07,720
But if you look at it and right now we were to say, hey, give us real world answer.

1507
01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:11,360
Somebody said right now, we can do this right now and we can wrap the show after that.

1508
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:15,400
And then we can even come back and deep, deep dive it on Sunday if you guys want to.

1509
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:22,200
So E, you got one thing that you or you can say even two, one or two things that AEW needs

1510
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:26,840
to do to figure out their identity.

1511
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:27,840
What is that?

1512
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,840
Yeah, you know, I can't think.

1513
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:33,640
I think it's a complicated answer for me.

1514
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:39,360
I know one thing that would improve things for me is them as them simplify their, their

1515
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:40,360
championships.

1516
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:42,200
So they got too many goddamn championships.

1517
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:43,480
It doesn't matter.

1518
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:44,480
That's a big one.

1519
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:45,800
I'm thinking that the start stop continue.

1520
01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:48,880
The first thing was again, the refs just doing your job.

1521
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,200
But of course that's just superficial.

1522
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:58,200
AEW as a whole, I just have to, if you're not going to give me storylines, it's going

1523
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,520
to keep me tuning in every week.

1524
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:05,760
And the psychology of matches has to be to the point where it's for me as a fan, kind

1525
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:10,360
of high pace, a good, a good pace, I should say, but not to the point where again, you

1526
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:16,560
have Darby taking a clothesline or taking a bookend to the apron and then he falls onto

1527
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,560
a bed of tacks.

1528
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:18,560
I like that.

1529
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:19,840
Gotta like slow down.

1530
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:21,600
Like it's okay if you do that here and there.

1531
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:22,600
Just make sense.

1532
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,960
The, the, the actual wrestling itself, even if you want to be high pace, it just gotta

1533
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,720
make sense.

1534
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,560
If this person, any other person would have like died or had to go to the hospital for

1535
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,200
it, let that simmer.

1536
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:35,200
Let that be the end of the match.

1537
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:40,520
So better ring psychology.

1538
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,240
Mine's is just, just make me figure out for me to, if they're on my television, give me

1539
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,760
the care about them.

1540
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:53,520
And it's not them doing a six 30 splash heading to commercial.

1541
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:54,520
That's number one.

1542
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:59,560
Number two, nail this devil storyline.

1543
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:04,480
If this devil storyline does not finish and we are like, they did that.

1544
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:05,480
Woof.

1545
01:26:05,480 --> 01:26:07,800
But we might not get it.

1546
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:08,800
They did that.

1547
01:26:08,800 --> 01:26:09,800
I mean, there's not really many options.

1548
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:10,800
Do y'all care about that storyline?

1549
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:11,800
But that's the point that I make it.

1550
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:12,800
I do care a lot about it, but there's not really, I don't think I'm going to get surprised.

1551
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:13,800
No, it's not about being surprised.

1552
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:14,800
Even if it's cool, you're like, awesome.

1553
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:30,360
But if it's Jack Perry, some people think the laugh from dynamite sounded like Jack Perry.

1554
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:36,040
If it's Jack Perry or even if it's Roddy Strong as the devil now, if his Roddy Strong threw

1555
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,320
out of cold, okay, cool.

1556
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,040
But say if it's just Jack Perry, I don't think that goes over the best.

1557
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:47,840
No, I think the reason why I'm not that interested in it is because I don't think that I'm going

1558
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,040
to get a satisfying payoff.

1559
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:55,480
I think that it's Adam Cole.

1560
01:26:55,480 --> 01:27:01,640
But I think if it's anybody other than Adam Cole, I'm going to be disappointed.

1561
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:07,320
And with that in mind, it's almost like it's too obvious as Adam Cole.

1562
01:27:07,320 --> 01:27:08,320
So it's like I know it's Adam Cole.

1563
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,800
Even after Full Gear, where he tried to help MJF.

1564
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,240
He was there, he didn't turn.

1565
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:13,880
You still think it's like super obvious.

1566
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,320
Now take off your, I've been watching this for decades.

1567
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:18,800
Just what they're presenting to you.

1568
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:22,240
You still think that's like, oh, that's common sense is Adam Cole.

1569
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,880
Well, you know, if I do some Sleuthin, right?

1570
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,920
Because take off the wrestling hat.

1571
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,920
I watched Scooby Doo.

1572
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:30,920
Headbutt to Sleuthin.

1573
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,560
Yeah, some Sleuthin.

1574
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:37,740
I watched Scooby Doo all my life.

1575
01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:39,240
So I know how to unmask some bad guys.

1576
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:40,240
And they would have got away with the truth.

1577
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:43,640
Oh yeah, I know how to unmask some bad guys.

1578
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:51,120
And we've never seen, we've only seen the devil on a TV screen.

1579
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:57,280
So you know, if you look at WWE TV, you know, Nakamura is cutting these promos.

1580
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,000
And he's showing right up.

1581
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,880
And he's showing up right behind him at every damn time.

1582
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,800
So we know that can happen.

1583
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,320
So it just seems like it's Adam Cole's story.

1584
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,440
Still makes sense to where they're going.

1585
01:28:10,440 --> 01:28:15,840
And if it's not, I can't look on that roster and say, oh, it's him.

1586
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:16,840
Right?

1587
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,560
Actually, I just can't in my mind right now.

1588
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:29,560
The only person that it can be that I would legit pop and be excited for is if it's Squared.

1589
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,640
That's the only person in the company right now that they have that I will be excited

1590
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:33,640
for.

1591
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:34,640
And I don't think it's him.

1592
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,160
And I think they could have pivoted, but he's in the tournament.

1593
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:38,160
Right?

1594
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,760
So like, that's the way I would agree with that.

1595
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:48,240
So then also the outside of my my my to be because that's to a the first is getting me

1596
01:28:48,240 --> 01:28:51,920
to care about the wrestlers to is the devil storyline.

1597
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,760
Three is wrapping this MJF storyline.

1598
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,480
How does war low come into play with this?

1599
01:28:57,480 --> 01:29:01,200
Like what you said, you know, numerous times he's got like six or seven people after him.

1600
01:29:01,200 --> 01:29:05,400
I love that because that's the way all champions should have to deal with it.

1601
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,600
But it has to wrap.

1602
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,800
It needs to wrap in December.

1603
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:12,800
So that's that.

1604
01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:13,800
What else y'all got?

1605
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:14,800
Y'all ready to wrap?

1606
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:18,800
Y'all ready to get out of here and hit this thing again on Sunday?

1607
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:19,800
Or y'all got something else?

1608
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:24,720
Yeah, on Sunday, we could also talk about to I would say Victor.

1609
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:25,720
Oh my God.

1610
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:29,200
Triple H Hunter's comments on Jay Cargill at the scrum.

1611
01:29:29,200 --> 01:29:32,560
So we'll probably talk about that just really quickly on Sunday show.

1612
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,000
You're basically saying she learned shit.

1613
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,720
Okay, actually, there we go.

1614
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:37,720
You had it.

1615
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:38,720
Topic completed.

1616
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,920
No, no, no, we got to talk about it.

1617
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:41,920
We agree.

1618
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:42,920
We disagree.

1619
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,480
Like we got to have that conversation.

1620
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He said that at the at the scrum that no fault of her own basis she ready when they asked

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like where is she at and when we're going to see her.

1622
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So we'll definitely have that conversation.

1623
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All right, so then we can get on up out of here.

1624
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Thank you guys for listening to the TFW podcast.

1625
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We already talked about the socials.

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1627
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Hit that follow button on the device you are looking at right now.

1628
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Leave us a five stars.

1629
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Do all that kind of good stuff.

1630
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We appreciate it.

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Love you guys and we will see you on Sunday.