Hello, welcome to another episode of Unpacking Neuroqueerness. This is your
host George Muniz Gund. Today I have a very special episode, um, sorry, very
special guest on the podcast for a very special episode. I forgot to mention, um,
but this is the 150th episode of Unpacking Neuroqueerness and my guest
today is Jim Jarrett, my acting teacher at the school I attended, the Meisner
Technique Studio in San Francisco. Jim is the last teaching prodigy of Sanford
Meisner and the founder of director of the school. Today I'm gonna ask Jim a
little bit about his journey with being my teacher, watching me unmask and
flourish into my true self, and we'll also talk a little bit about the training
about his experiences working with other students, perhaps who had differences
and a little bit about Jim himself. Welcome, without further ado, welcome Jim.
Thank you George, it's a pleasure and privilege to be here. Thank you Jim, thank
you for coming on, thank you for making the time. So the first thing I wanted to
get into relates, about relates to my experience with going through the training
and unmasking into my true self. Before the training I used to feel like in
order to be accepted I needed to fit certain societal modes and expectations
and I needed to learn to embody behaviors and mannerisms that weren't
natural to me, that were more like copying other people, and so I was highly
masked. I used to be very over analytical of myself, which led to struggles
connecting with others, and I'm sure you remember like the first interview I did
with you, how different I was, and I'll never forget the impact of certain
teachings in the training, such as don't be good, be fearless, and not being
polite had on my unmasking journey, because after learning that I was
enough the way I am, and being encouraged to not be polite while working off
another actor, and I started to feel a lot more freedom to a level that I
hadn't experienced before, and I also remember you saying Jim that this training
you said to the whole class in first session that this training would change
your life and it would impact your relationships with every person, and I
definitely felt that happen, so that leads me to my question. Jim tell us a
little bit about the impact you've seen the training have on me, and if any of
it reminds you of the impact those teachings had on you when you were going
through it with Sanford Meisner, and maybe other students as well? Yeah okay
well you know George, you already summarized it, you know you came to
me as someone as you said masked, highly intellectual, felt the need to just fit
in and really in many ways, you know not honor your no criticism, but just to try
to conform and not get bullied and treated, can I swear by the way? Not being treated
shitty by people, you just you felt that you know this need to conform, so not an
authentic version of you right, but as you're talking I'm going oh my gosh
George, not only was that true of you, but honestly that's true of virtually
every single student that comes to me, and we'll get to that because right now
your question is specifically about you, but it's an inevitable byproduct of this
training, that's why I do say on the first day of class or early on this
training will impact your life in such a profound way, it literally will change it
for the better because the technique, the genius of what Sanford Meisner created
was to help everyone step into this more authentic version of themselves to get
out of their heads and work from their guts, and to really embrace that they are
enough, so to quit giving that power away, so you are someone that flourished
beautifully, I remember you vividly, I remember your interview because we had
mutual friends and relationships and they asked if I would be willing to
meet with you and in consideration for you to study with me, and I said of
course absolutely, and I remember when I met you and I could tell that you were
someone that was very introverted and on himself, very nervous, and again this is
most everybody that comes to me for that first interview, and I just I remember
thinking to myself and this happens often where I know this training will
help this person, I am positive of that for all the reasons we've now talked
about, but I just wasn't quite sure whether you were going to be able to go
on the full journey and whether you even wanted to, I wasn't closing the door to
it, I just remember that was my first impression, and then as the training went
on again you were just a beautiful student and a beautiful example of what's
possible if you can hang in there because you had bumpy days man, you had tough
days and they're like all of us did, but you were resilient, you were humble, you
were courageous, I'm not flattering you, this is the truth, you just you just you
had there was no quit in you, so I remember very early on going oh my
goodness this kid's gonna be just fine, he's he's he has all the qualities
needed to grow into this, and I also want to add that your classmates were also
incredibly supportive as well in terms of just you know and of each other not
just specifically you, of just helping each other just you know because
everybody's different, you know the people think about teaching actors George,
you may recall me saying often was that you're you know you're the piano, you're
the instrument, and my great teacher Sanford Meister would say to be a
world-class actor you have to have a world-class instrument to play and you
are that instrument, so again the healthier healthier we are the freer we
are the more that we really do embody and make peace with all that we are and
are not allows us to show up and not care what people think that's really at the
core of the Meiser technique, it's just freedom, it really is it's and it's not
by accident it's by design, so I knew if you could hang in there great things
would happen for you and they did, they did, you you blossomed beautifully, I
think that I remember so many of your family members on that final day of
class came up to me and you know look they're trying to celebrate me or
whatever and I'm like hey man it's it's George, it's the genius of my teacher
and it's George, I'm you know I have my part and that part is that I'm a purist,
I'm a conduit to my teacher's brilliance, I take seriously the privileged role of
being asked by him to carry on his teaching legacy, okay so there's you know
I have my part in it but George it was you and you just blossomed and they all
to a person said we barely recognize him in terms of he's just a completely
different person in terms of his confidence and his his his his belief
in himself. I certainly recall that transformation as well and I think you
know how it happened gradually and I remember the struggles that you you
mentioned, it was hard like first session I remember the first I won't say what it
was but the the first exercise that we did that we worked on I struggled a lot
with having urgency with it and I remember, I even like there was a
period where I wouldn't understand that I that I didn't have enough urgency and
I would like a lot of other students tend to in the beginning of the training I
would feel defensive because I just didn't understand like how deep it
really goes and then I felt like you know I felt like with time I was able to
understand that better and grow and and yeah I was just really powerful like in
terms of unmasking I always think about that of how powerful it was to really
let go and I think part of why I struggled in a little bit in the
beginning was because I in the very beginning I still wasn't fully unmasked
I think of course yeah I think it took maybe I don't know if you would agree but
I want to say maybe until like the end of third session or like second year I
agree completely George it was a slow progression initially a lot of one step
forward two steps back again for almost every single student for what it's worth
but boy man I absolutely remember when you turn to corner I can picture you one
day in class for all you did the best I remember saying to you I go that's the
best technique you've ever done and to do the technique well for all your
listeners you you have to now be incredibly present you have to be out
of your head and with that all nerves go away it's impossible to be nervous if
your focus is off yourself and you used to suffer from a lot of tension and
nerves prior prior to the exercise beginning once the exercise began
moments missed and so you're you know this evolution but man all the sudden
it's like you you're riding this horse and you caught stride and honestly you
really never look back from that point forward you really began to do the kind
of work that is would be considered solid work by anybody you know it just you
did you turned a beautiful corner yeah thank you I I I certainly felt that
that happened also and I think I remember that class that you mentioned
where I had like that big breakthrough doing the the technique and just like
really unleashing and being fully unmasked I remember how satisfying that
was because I feel like not just in the training but in life till that point I
wasn't I don't think I was ever as unmasked as I as I wasn't that exercise
because I felt and I remember you mentioning also how it is a very like I
mean it depends by culture and everything but like in society a lot of
people not just neurodivergent people get conditioned to not to like not to
be polite to not be a certain way so I felt I felt that impact for sure and I
can I remember also how how my family noticed how yeah so the next thing I
wanted to talk about is more related to developing strategies one thing I noticed
about myself and about others is that we tell others that feel different or just
maybe work in different ways than the most people that we tend to create our
own strategies when it comes to getting things done and I remember there's one
exercise that you teach in the it's the first thing you teach in the business
class and you talk about top-downs yeah okay okay it's okay that's okay all
right yeah so top-downs because it's they and it relates a lot to breaking
things down into sub tasks correct yeah it's the old how do you eat an elephant
one bite at a time the top-downs concept I started to advancing for myself about
40 years ago for zero because I was a procrastinator I had great intentions
the old phrase the road to hell is paved with good intentions we want to get
stuff done but talk is cheap and we tend to over the course of our upbringing we
tend to start losing what I call personal integrity we don't we don't wait let's
say we're gonna go to the store that day or we're gonna register our car we're
gonna call this person and we don't do it yeah anyway it's very subtle but it's
also very insidious and it's like a slow leak into our our bank of personal
integrity so most everybody's really struggles with with procrastination and
that's just easy stuff basic stuff but then we shame ourselves we feel guilt we
drink the poison and now worry we're it's even harder it's like we're digging a
hole and and then the reason why I started to really go after this is man
if your word isn't gold and you have big dreams and George as you know in this
industry you know to be an actor I've been doing this for 37 years to make a
living at this is almost impossible it is yeah and to do it year after year
pretty much is and that I've been part of that group I a great part of that is
due to my addressing the procrastinator inside of me and so this top-down
concept was something that exactly George you just people get overwhelmed by
the enormity of trying to get their film to Sundance let's say they're like oh
my god they can't even open the computer and start typing and so by taking it
down to these actionable steps picture a ladder with not big steps but like
teeniest steps just in a ladder that really would only need 30 steps a
fireman's ladder to three floors this lat these ladders have like 150 steps it's
just dip dip dip dip dip dip and it just breaks it down and makes things that
are that seem overwhelming no longer overwhelming yeah definitely I feel like
that was one of the exercises that was really helpful for me because I hadn't I
think before that I hadn't really thought that way of like breaking things
into subtasks and how it really helps get things done instead of just saying oh
I want to get this done and yeah I've talked to other students a little bit
now on the the link in between masking acting and the Meisner technique a little
more one of the main aspects of masking for me was studying all kinds of people
and trying to replicate all their unique mannerisms and behaviors and I think
that's one positive one positive was that it eventually drew me to acting
because it drew me to want to try on all these different characters and I felt
like I was already doing that in a way but of course like I learned how to do
it a lot more authentically like from the gut which was very different because
I used to be very much so in my head and so a lot of other actors have expressed
similar feelings I was wondering if you felt if that you felt that you had to
mask like certain things or if you like in terms of socially and everything yeah
well so no that's for me that's not what drew me to acting but I do understand
your point and I after teaching literally thousands of people over the
years that's certainly the case for a lot of people and understandable and you're
you are right there's some real positives to that right as you were
talking I was thinking I have a friend of mine that shot a film in the south and
he really struggled with his accent he had a heat as he said he goes I had one
down but it just felt cliche it just didn't feel like I'd earn it and he
walked into a hardware store he needed to buy something he was like I don't know
somewhere in the south Georgia deep in the south he walked in a hardware store
and there was this good old boy behind the counter and as soon as he spoke he
goes oh my god holy hell that's that's the accent that's the guy that's the
cadence that's so so you talk about you know mirroring and masking and this is
what we as actors definitely do we we are ambassadors on behalf of the human
experience our job is to study and and file away whether it's mannerisms
behavior character elements characteristics of people absolutely true
but as you know George as well the other component of the miser technique is
all about authenticity right about about that you are enough and and stepping
into that too so it's a it's a bit of a contradiction on the one hand we're
trying to pay attention to what we're not and and and what's out there and
and and when I say steal from it I just simply mean for our art and yet be real
about it for me what brought me to acting was just really straightforward I
saw a film that it was called the direct deer hunter and I just I had that film
punched me in the soul it was in the 80s I didn't even I was trying to figure out
what I did want to do with my life what my purpose was not just a job but what
I've been put on this earth to do acting and filmmaking was not a even on the
radar I never acted in my life I was a jock and when I experienced this movie
and I say experienced it because that's what happened and when it was over I
just I couldn't move George I sat there in the movie theater and I literally was
I was emotional I was I was angry this film is about the Vietnam War and the
not just the fallout for the people that actually go over and fight but for the
people that they come back to and and how destroyed everyone gets by it the
fallout after the fact and it just broke my heart and it really bothered me and
I had never been bothered by a film before like this I had never been and
I'll even use the word haunted because it's accurate and so that film was the
catalyst for me to to begin this this journey and again that was in nineteen
that actually started in 84 I began officially my career in 87 spent a few
years just getting my stuff together George trying to deal with all my
procrastination and bad habits and things and save money and get out of debt
and and really clean up my act so I spent several years just set in the table
before I even felt ready to go after something so difficult a lot like a
somebody in a you know back in the Christopher Columbus days you know you
don't just hop in the boat going hey I'm gonna go for a sail out to the middle
of nowhere here I need a good boat and I need a I need to have you know supplies
etc so that was my approach but again sorry I'm getting a little wordy with
this to your question to answer it I became an actor not to unmask but to
truly just say stuff that I wanted to say to tell stories that mattered to me
in hopes that if I told it well it could kind of have it could have the kind of
impact like the deer hunter had on me that I could I and I and thank God I
found my teacher because Sanford Meisner believed that to be an actor was
important that it was a noble profession that if you told stories as actors in an
elite way and by for Sandy that meant truthful believable that your works
believable that you can turn a cold piece of paper into a believable human
being literally that you could change people's lives forever through your
storytelling through your work I'd experience that and I wanted that so
that that's what my motivation was yeah yeah I definitely relate also to wanting
to tell stories and I think especially after I went through the training and I
I was unmasking and you probably remember it was in the business class that I
really shifted that when we started like I'm talking about how to market
ourselves and everything and like the stories we want to tell like our
identity as actors and all that and I that's when I became an advocate it was
I was unbelievable you it's like a light bulb went on for you and you've never
you've never looked back and everyone who knows you and cares about you so damn
proud of you and I saw the day it happened we're like holy hell this is
why I think I was doing all this yeah yeah yeah it was really powerful like it
right after the business class I remember actually I remember talking about it
the last day of the business class that I was going to start an Instagram page
yep and so I went on and did that and I started in the beginning it was mostly
sharing things that I was reading from other advocates and I really resonated
with and then eventually I started writing my own stuff and it was a whole
process because I started writing only on Instagram in the beginning and then I
realized that I just had so much to say and you can only fit like so much in
there and like not everyone has social media so I wanted to I wanted to have a
larger reach and then I asked I started thinking about making a blog and I was
just a little bit worried because I wasn't sure how I would promote my blog
and then I remember I was talking to my dad at one day like I was like yeah I've
been thinking about starting this blog but I don't know like if people are
gonna see it because one thing I liked about social media was that it's like
easy to promote stuff on there but but then my dad made me realize like he was
like well you could do the blog but you could and then you could share the
blog you could share your posts on the link to your post on social media and
then I was like oh okay yeah I could do that and then I did I decided to do that
and I started the blog and then I want to say a couple months after that I
started getting into podcasts and I started this I was it was the same
similar kind of thing I was listening to like podcasts by other advocates and
really liked them and I was like and then I started realizing you know I could
do something like this and then I started it I remember just recording like the
first episode and it still says like in the first episode I say welcome to the
first episode of unpacking neurodiversity and I ended up changing the
name to neuroqueerness but I just left to the first episode like that because I
felt like it's it's kind of it's a reminder of like oh this was actually
gonna be called something else and then I sat I remember I sat on that episode
for 12 days before I published it because I did get a little bit stuck like I
felt myself getting stuck back in the like you know being afraid to be good
or not so much even just that but like I guess starting to over worry again about
the perception and what how it was gonna be received and whatnot but then I
reminded myself like you used to say there's a guy that's that's in the back
of the bus that comes to the front of the bus and he's like you're you've had a
name for it the like basically like the negative voice in your head you know we
teach off this all the time right that we have excuse me every one of us has
inside of us this critic it's just a matter of how loud he is and who do you
want driving your bus right do you want the healthiest version of you and you
want that guy and even if that guy's not driving your bus he's on the bus and
and so you know you just want to be you don't want to be ruled by and live your
life small because you're you're you know either afraid of making mistakes or
the judgment of others or falling short you know to just again to be live a life
of truly not caring what people think and again I don't mean in some
narcissistic bratty way I'm not saying treat people crappy or anything like
that when I say to not care what people think I always say you know that's what
charisma is George somebody that has tremendous charisma you know what it is
it's freedom they they feel without arrogance that they're enough that
they're they value themselves they they like themselves they have something to
say and and they and somebody with Christmas feels the same way about you
by the way you'll feel welcomed you'll feel warmed by them whereas ego is
is something else entirely so yeah the bus driver who do you want driving your
bus do you want this voice this critic this hyper critic this cynic this this
person that wants to keep driving you into the ditch and have you you know
fall short of what you deserve in your life or do you want you know the
healthiest version of you and of course you know I I would hope just about
everybody would be able to easily say that version but that's just because
it's easy to say doesn't mean it's it's easy to do and that also is not just the
work of this training of course that's the work in our all of our all of our
lives yeah definitely I feel like that's definitely one teaching from the
training that translates to life in general and that's when that's what
led me to finally publish that episode 12 days later I looked at it on my
computer and it was still there and I was like you know what I I'm not gonna
try to be good I'm just gonna do it and I published it and I even went with a
different name and then it just I remember it just evolved because I had so
many things to say and I would do an episode about like one subtopic at one
point I was pumping out episodes like almost daily because I it was just like
these short little episodes of just me on my own and then I started having guests
and I had I remember my first guest was my sister Luana who was he at graduation
sure and it was I remember like that was a really powerful episode because we we
just like talked about things that we had never talked about before and then
you know I was able to have more family members and friends on and even a few
Meisner technique students and and it's it's hard to believe that now I have a
hundred and this is the 150th episode gosh like also remaining humble like
because I don't like to brag either but it's like the fact that I have almost
14,000 downloads now like I didn't certainly did not predict that or
expect that so yeah definitely I feel like a lot of it is due to the training
and what we learned in the business class as well so I have a few more
questions and the next question I had the next two questions are more related
about reflecting on yourself through others like students that you've taught
and so has working with all kinds of different students over so many years
made you see some of their differences strengths and struggles in yourself and
if so what are some examples of that yeah of course right you know you see you
know you see yourself in certain students they remind you of how you went
through how you were when you went through the training both positive
qualities and the qualities that got in the way of learning and being open so
there's no doubt and one of the you know privileges of teaching acting and
actors and especially this way of working is and we said I said mentioned
it earlier is that you are the piano you know how many times did we say George
don't compare your instrument to anybody else in this room because you all
have your own unique experiences and that means that it's there's never been a
piano like yours ever and and you act from who and what you are it doesn't
mean you need to have a horrible life to be an actor it just means you draw on
so much of your life experiences you do and then once you really understand what
acting is about in terms of being able to develop your imagination and now you
can take from the realities of your life and use your imagination to expand and
grow that to experience all kinds of things that you've actually never never
literally experienced but to do that you're gonna come up against your stuff
and so to answer your question you know oh yes I not only see me and my
students and how and certainly that makes me a better teacher more
compassionate but honestly George just to the point of the teaching is each one
of you is different and so my job is really is to try to look at each student
separate from anyone else and try my best to help them as they start to
untangle and get free of all their wounds and blocks again this ain't therapy
but as this is Sanford Meiser talking he'd say this ain't therapy but it's
incredibly therapeutic it has to be again it goes back to the beautiful art
form called being an actor we are the instrument so the healthier you are the
freer you are the more self-aware you are the better actor you'll be it doesn't
mean you know here's another beautiful teaching of Sanford Meiser's the sea
dairy character you will ever play is already inside you I like all of my
students every student inside of them has the this this guy this guy on their
bus their bench guy or gal but this this dynamics this this component this
character element where they're incredibly noble and honest and sneaky and
deceitful and and and a really really good person and a really really selfish
person person and everything in between and I can go on and on list you know all
the the positive and negatives of being in this human experience we all have it
and and one of the beautiful things about being an actor is to stop denying
it he doesn't mean you want to live it out I don't want to be a shit bag to
people I don't want to be selfish I don't want to be that guy but I can be
that guy he's in there so it is when you work with students you see that stuff
come out earlier you mentioned that you were you know early on a bit defensive
you know you get you get by the way you weren't bad at all George you weren't
you weren't but you know I get that I get people who are defensive who make it
difficult to teach and at some point if they just can't address where that comes
from because usually what it means is when they were young and they got
critiqued by teachers parents whatever there's a lot of shame around it so when
you go to teach them especially because you're teaching the quote unquote them
meaning they're the instrument they can take it personally and they can get
prickly and it's a real dynamic and and so at some point you get some students
where you just literally say I can't I can't work with you you're I'm not I'm
the wrong teacher for you you know you're just not like we can't do this so it's
not working but for most yeah I'm able to see what what's going on and do my
best to help them heal and again without enabling without getting you know
again I'm it's a fine line George because you don't want to you don't want to
overstep and there's certain things that for some people go way deeper than what
this training is about and I have to be very sensitive to that but I also have
to be if I'm working with with actors you have to be incredibly self-aware of
the human condition yeah yeah definitely I I remember seeing that like noticing
that in class also like all how everyone like has their own stuff for sure like
and I noticed like I do remember like having some classmates that did really
struggle to take certain teachings and I think as like as always with with any
group there were like a couple conflicts and I remember I even had a partner
that was was not committed was not very committed to the scene and I remember
because I remembered how you talked about how it takes to the dance or like
how you know if you're not giving your your best self or like really working
hard on it it it can affect the other person too yeah and so I definitely
noticed that with one certain partner that I worked with but and then we got
rid of him yeah yeah right yeah which is great you know again I mean look you
you teach a hundred students you have a hundred students you believe me there's
gonna be a couple words just not a good fit and that's just the way it goes yeah
I don't take it personally whatsoever yeah I think you might have already
touched a little bit on this but my the last question I wanted to ask is because
I feel like a lot of people who feel different like me they end up drawing
to they they end up being drawn to the world of creative arts and performance
and become dreamers they I noticed that they they never a lot of them or most of
them like you say also never end up they end up never following their dreams
because of shyness or fear of not being good enough and I feel like it's still I
mean of course like I've unlearned that but by now but it's I definitely notice
like when I talk like it's probably the number one thing I hear from people when
I talk to them is like they're like oh yeah I really wanted to do acting too but
I wasn't good enough or I I have stage fright or I'm too shy I could never do
it what is the main piece of advice that you you have for those folks self love
you know just keep working on yourself I'm enough I've got something to say and
people if you know George as you know I do my all these shows I do a lot of live
theater and I tour and a big house for me is you know a thousand twelve hundred
people usually 800 to a thousand is a usual house and my shows wildly
successful my shows and but there's gonna be some people that aren't just
not gonna like it and there's nothing to do about it and I and I when I say I
don't care I care very much that I've shown up that I've done my job I'm a
pro I care very much about doing everything I can to deliver the goods but
I can't care well I can but I don't choose to care what what what people think in
terms of them let's say not liking me or my art now again if I respect this
person and I've done something offensive or shitty then of course I'm not but
I'm not talking about that George again I'm just talking about as an artist you
know your question is you know what advice would you give people who who who
feel a bit locked up who aren't going after the things because of shyness
because of these things and just for what it's worth George it's that's most
everybody most everybody is not living their dreams most everybody is
settling most everybody is living a much smaller version of of of who they
really know they are but they're wounded they've got to they've got this
imprinting and programming and conditioning that they're not enough that
they're not good enough that most people who are shy really early on life
didn't wasn't safe they're like a little turtle so they're just they're gonna
barely peek their head out so they don't get smacked or teased or laughed at or
ridiculed so they're they bonded to the wounds of their past right they're
they're they've been defined by these these moments and events and in so
doing they are now going to crawl inside a box a very small box put the lid on
and stay small and I say that with compassion you know that's again George
it's most everybody in life is has very limiting beliefs about themselves so for
me the key to to live an authentic life to live a life of no regret to go after
your dreams man you've got to believe in yourself you've got to believe that
you've got something to say and again without ego but truly just the sincere
desire to express and help like what you're doing with this podcast I'm sure
some people subscribe and then kick quit and you know whatever blah blah blah and
some people will listen to every episode and you know I'm going and and and all
you can do George is continue to do your best to try to be a voice and provide a
voice of others for others and if it resonates for you this week wonderful if
it doesn't well you know I'll just keep marching forward and there it is it's
it's just it's it's it's doing it because you want to express and you feel like
you really do have something to say you found your calling and you're not doing
it to collect the good opinion of others so many actors doing this are very
insecure they want attention there's a stereotype that actors are starved for
attention because ready most actors are starved for attention they were in a
play in high school everyone clapped one night and took pictures and brought
them flowers it was the greatest night of their life and they've been chasing
that drug ever since and and okay but now back to my teacher Sandy would say
get your ego out of your art most people are in this industry have a lot of ego
and they're doing it because they want praise they want attention they want
things again I'll quote my teacher one last time he said most people doing this
just want some good reviews to send back to everyone back home in South Dakota to
say see I told you I was special how true that is and so for me anyway my
opinion that's not sustainable and it's certainly a crappy way to go through
your dream in your life to try to prove everybody wrong and and to try to be
validated you know that's you're trying to fill a fill a void in a wound that's
a lot of art comes from pain I get that but I would rather heal my stuff and
continue to say tell other stories that are healthier honestly yeah yeah that
makes sense I have noticed how a lot of people are just drawn to the response
like of others and how it's gonna be received by others but not enough on
how they feel about it and yeah so that's definitely another really
important teaching well those are all the questions I had for I have for you
today but I wanted to thank you again for coming on because you were a really
big part of my journey into of unmasking and becoming an advocate and
starting this podcast so I think it's very fitting that you are the guest for
the 150th episode and yeah just thanks again you're welcome George I'm
incredibly proud of you I watched you literally blossom through the training
and certainly a good part portion of that was the genius of what Sanford
Meisner created there's no doubt but George you know you it was you you did
the work and you hung in there and it's just been an absolute pleasure to watch
you grow into your voice and your life's purpose and I know that this there'll be
other things besides this but hell if this was the only thing you chose to do
with it what a beautiful thing you're doing because I'm positive you're
helping others find their voice too so again thank you for having me on and
whatever I can do for you I'll always do thank you you got it pal thank you
everyone for listening I hope you all enjoyed this episode and I'll see you
all next time