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show. Welcome back to the laughing matters podcast y'all. I am your host WS Walker and well, we are

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tackling momentary departures to the afterlife. So let's get after it.

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I've been reading up on the science side of near death experiences recently, also known as NDE's

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and the origin of that whole field of study. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but for

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most of my life, I hadn't really made up my mind about God and I'd really not given full credit

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to the people that, you know, had reported near death experiences or people who experienced

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miracles or you know, that reported angel sightings. It wasn't that I didn't believe them.

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I didn't think most of them were lying. I just, I think it was more that I had already predetermined

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that that was to be filed under whether or not I believed in a God or that God existed or

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really had nailed down any of the defining parameters of God. And there was no file

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cabinet part of it designed yet to hold those files. And therefore they were all filed away.

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And the I don't know yet bit got pretty full. So until recently, the main opponent of these reports

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in my personal belief filings was that I had remembered hearing that scientists had put forth

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a apparently very convincing theory that there were sporadic bursts of neurological activity

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and a large DMT dump that occurs, you know, when the biochemistry and the body changes as the body

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is dying and they are outside of the basic points where people's stories overlap that I'd seen

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in some documentary on an old TV when I was like 12 or 13. Whatever I remembered from that,

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and then the tropes that we all heard in, you know, media, television, movies, like everybody

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seen a new somebody who dies momentarily comes back. It's, it's expected in Hollywood at this

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point, I didn't have much, you know, to go off of, and I really never noticed, but then

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nobody really talked about it happening. That was not a subject that came up a lot in the

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sixties or the fifties or the forties. It's only in the later 1900s that we see these arrive for

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the first time. And I mean, look at us now, everybody in pretty much the world, I would assume

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has heard of a near death experience or something that goes along with it, you know, floating up to

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the ceiling, watching the people around you work to revive you going to a bright, lighter tunnel.

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Seeing a loved one or meeting Jesus Christ or God themselves. It's, we've all heard or seen these

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things in countless movies and such that we've watched or read, right? It's saturated. So near

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death experiences, and this actually surprised me to learn this, they really only got to be a

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household name and like the 1980s and the term was never really heard of before. It was, it was

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a term was never really heard of before 1975, which was when the term was coined in a book called

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life after life. Its author at the time of writing the book was a, he was an MD with PhDs in

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philosophy and psychology. His name was Raymond Moody, but that was in like 1975 when he published

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the book, 10 years before that as an undergrad, he meets this guy, Dr. George Ritchie.

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Uh, so Dr. Ritchie is a professor of psychiatry, uh, who tells him about this nine minute experience

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he had where his body was dead and Raymond Moody soon after heard another account and he would end

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up spending the next 10 years of his life researching others who had had similar experiences

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and ended up tracking down over 150 people who had experienced a very similar thing to what George

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did. And so we named the phenomenon near death experience and his published findings, which is,

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I mean, it's not a very good name for it. The fact that nearly all of these cases were the result of

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clinical death. It's kind of a misleading name. They didn't go near it. They passed straight

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through it and out the other side. So bad name Moody. I'm sorry. It's not, it's not a great name.

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Whatever. We're not going to kick him while he's down. I think, no, he's still alive. Raymond Moody.

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Let us check. Okay. So he's alive. Um, he's 74 years old today and apparently in 1991,

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he's stating that he had his own first near death experience. He attempted suicide.

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Wow. I did not know that. I might add a little bit in here. He didn't. All of that aside though,

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why was it that nobody had heard of this concept? Like even if it didn't have a name, I mean,

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people die all the time, right? Without near death experiences being public, like media knowledge,

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people who experienced them, that would be, you'd be talking about it without precedence. Like most

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likely whoever's hearing this is hearing this concept, not just them talking about their

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experience, but the concept that this is an experience that could be had for the first time.

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I did several of the people that Moody spoke to stress this. They wouldn't offer the information.

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They wouldn't come forward and say, Hey, I've had this experience. But if someone asked them about

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it, they loved sharing this wonderful experience with them. And I mean, can you blame them for

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keeping it quiet? I mean, let's be fair 40s, 50s, 60s, not exactly the rock and roll. I mean,

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not exactly the rock star years with diagnosing and dealing with mental illness. Electroconvulsive

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therapy was still popular in the sixties and seventies. So we have all this working against

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people coming out and speaking. And at the same time around the seventies, we were getting a lot

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better at bringing people back who had technically died. It's interesting to note that it was the

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early 1970s that the defibrillators started showing up in the average hospital as they were

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finally able to become, you know, portable, portable enough to be feasible. And we have

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Northern Irish professor and cardiologist, James Frank Pantridge to thank for that.

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ambulances could start carrying them. And suddenly the ability to restart a heart with

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miniature lightning pads could be raised to the sides of those who had recently shuffled loose

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the mortal coil, but were apparently still within an arm's reach. So I've actually really enjoyed

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reading up on the science side of heaven and been researching outside of this. There has been

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kind of a ridiculous amount of research. Like I had no idea. I did not realize that the scientific

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community hadn't really ever settled on these experiences being explained as a burst of

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neurological activity from a dying brain. And that seeing a tunnel was replicated by stimulating the

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right synaptic paths during the biochemical and the changes that are occurring when you're dying.

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science's last say on the matter. And it seemed to me like at the, at the time that this was kind of

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like where scientists, I, this was the stop that they were getting off the train at. And I pretty

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much just let that be what it was. I mean, it wasn't something that people just brought to the

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conversation. And so they're my understanding of it state as well, but I was wrong. Dead wrong,

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nearly dead. This is so stupid.

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Oh, I like me. Okay. Bandit. Judgy eyebrows for me. It's weird as he's getting older,

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he's getting white right here. So it kind of gives him eyebrows. It adds layers to his expressions

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now, but it wasn't until very recently that I found out that this was actually not at all the

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case. The only real study of the neurological burst activity theory was it was a study of

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four hospital patients. They were hooked up to EEGs, which showed neurological activity. And

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they died from cardiac arrest while they were hooked up. And two of the patients had their

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heart rates increase as well as showed an increase in gamma wave activity, which is the fastest brain

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activity. But here's the thing. Number one, four person sample size. That's that's you. You won't,

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you need more people for a study. Number two, there were four people that were hooked up.

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Two of them showed this burst of gamma wave activity and an increase in heart rate

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simultaneously right before they died. But again, here's the thing.

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I'm guessing some of you have already figured out what I'm about to say.

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If your heart rate is increasing and there's fast brain activity happening,

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you have not yet died. You're not dead yet. And as for the DMT dump claims, the study that those

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articles are referencing, they gave people a concentration of two people. And they were

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a concentrated dose of DMT in a lab, which was more than your body can produce in the course of a

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year. They listed several of the traits that near death experiences have in common with one another.

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And then they asked them if they felt more like those near death experience traits that people,

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you know, experienced. They asked them while they were high on DMT, did they feel those traits more

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than when they were sober? So, you know, do you feel like closer to an outer body experience

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while you're doing DMT? Probably. Do you have an expanded consciousness right? Yeah. Uh huh.

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Ego death was five stops ago. Not to mention, sorry, but not to mention that the amount of DMT

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that was produced in our bodies is so small that in order to result in a complete

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disassociative hallucination, the dose would have to be so high that the pineal would have to

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suddenly produce and distribute more DMT than it has in total over the course of your life,

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of your life, your entire life. I don't, I don't think that these are scientifically sound. Who's

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pitching these? Anyways, but you know, we've seen that time and time again. Uh, there's,

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there are people that will latch onto a study because it's an option. It's not a probable

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option. In fact, a lot of times they're just looking for, is it possible? Is it possible

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that this is the case? The least likely case that could be proposed. It's still has validity

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because it could potentially could happen. I digress as it happens. Dr. Jeffrey Long put in

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about 30 years of extensive research into that subject. And he concluded summarily that it was

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not possible with a flat EEG for electrical activity in the lower brain to produce a highly

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lucid and ordered experience. Let me say that again, highly lucid. So you are there. Things

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make sense. Things make sense after you leave the place and talk about them in life. It's

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completely fallible and it's ordered, which means everything happens in a cohesive order. That right

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there. Okay. I'm listening. Do you got me? I apologize, but I really wanted to share my new

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found joy with this because seeing the science side of it is so refreshing. It's, it's really

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extremely interesting to note that people who reported the experiences early on before the

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world was really wired into each other without being able to hear about other people's experiences

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with near death experiences, all tended to describe the main core elements and impressive

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similarity. The basics of so many of these stories, they line up. There's definitely different

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things that occur, but there's a central core that keeps coming back to including one very fascinating

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one that John Burke, the author of imagine heaven as a very good book, but he points out that

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children who have had near death experiences before they have a concept of life or death,

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they still described only meeting deceased family, friends, pets, you know, but only deceased ones.

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They didn't, they didn't know what it was to be dead or what it was to have somebody die,

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but yet none of them in their experiences featured meeting anybody living. So we know it's not

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imagined. Plus getting a kid to tell an ordered story repeatedly without changing it. If it's

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something that happened, not, but okay, actually probably pretty difficult, but people also of

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their near death experiences feel a report feeling as if the memory is somehow more real,

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more tangible. It doesn't fade, you know, years and years and years and years later, it's still a

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crisp memory for them. And that's, that's really cool too. So over the years, Dr. Long performed a

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study of 1300 participants. Each one of them had confirmed died and come back with a story to tell.

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So he took the data from all these reports and found 12 elements that reoccurred with a frequency

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that was, was really telling to the authenticity of the reports. So number one, an out of body

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experience, you know, some kind of separation between consciousness and the physical body,

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75.4% reported that we have number two, the heightened senses, you know, more conscious

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and alert than normal. A lot of people actually talk about being able to see something like 10s

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or hundreds of miles away, just like zoom in, like you're there, just all of a sudden,

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and they're able to see it. They can look at somebody and know what they were thinking.

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And they just felt good all over their sense of touch, their sense of taste, their sense of smell.

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They were smelling and seeing and feeling all these things that they, you could not see or feel

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as a human being with our limited senses, 74.4% on the senses. Number three was intense and generally

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positive emotions and feelings, including an incredible piece that was 76.2%. We have number

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four, which is passing through a passageway, usually enclosed like a tunnel. That was 33.8%.

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We have number five, which is encountering a mythical or bright light entity. So that was

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64.6%. We have number seven, which is a sense of alteration to time or space, like

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while zipping around at the speed of thought or teleporting. That was 60.5% of 1300 studies

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that were mostly put together before it was a mad media phenomenon. It's just mind blowing. If this

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was a study for anything else that we could physically further test and prove, it's just

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mind blowing. If this was a study for anything else that we could physically further test and prove,

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we would consider this the front running theory. Like this, so much of it lines up.

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That would be, yes, statistically viable. For number eight, we have getting some kind of life

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review where they lay out your whole life all at once and you can see every part of it all at once.

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And you have the ability to concentrate on literally all of it all at once. So only about 22.2%,

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still a significant statistic, but only 22.2% got that. So I guess the ones that got that needed

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that got that. And then you have number nine, which is encountering other worldly realms,

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going to heaven, going to hell, going to, you know, going wherever you go. That's going to be 52.2%.

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And then we have number 10, which is encountering or learning special knowledge,

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such as things that were happening in the physical world while they were brain dead and they had no

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way of knowing or recording the memory. That was 56% y'all. That's ridiculous.

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So second to last of our 12 is going to be encountering some kind of boundary or barrier

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that they could not go past, which I have to say, I got a bit of a thrill when I was reading that.

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That plugs right into my, we are not allowed to know theory. 31%.

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I don't know why I said that one like that, but you have it now. And number 12, of course,

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is returning to the body, which that's going to be 100% obviously, because you can't really get

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the near path and near death experience without it. So many people described their spiritual

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afterlife bodies and I've thought a lot about them, how their true form, they felt like themselves

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for the first time, the form that is truly them. They could fly and they float and they would simply

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pass through walls and travel on a thought, vast distances and were surrounded by light and love.

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around, you know, its brain with its, its computational amazement, still shortfallings

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that can't view more than a memory or two at a time, much less an entire lifetime and focus on

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all of it at once. The skin suit that we have is something that the spiritual body has to keep

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alive. It has to nurture it, despite the fact that it's surrounded by potential life-saving

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constants. Fortunately, it has this handy dandy brain that is really good at latching on, on

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creating a predictable life. But you know, watch the rest of the series if you want to hear about

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that. But this means that we can't zip around to wherever we want on a thought, you know, we have

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mass, so gravity and air friction are a thing. And that spiritual body could go flying through

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space on a thought if it wanted to, while our flesh bodies would require a constant and abundant

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amount of oxygen intake at all times not to go into full system shutdown. A space is very cold.

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And if we put these bodies outside of a very small window of too much or too little heat energy,

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it either cooks and injures or freezes and stops that meat vehicle. That your spirit, your

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consciousness, your soul, afterlife body, that it would choose to take on these caveats, these

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handicaps on a level of Harrison Bergeron's for you Vonnegut fans, and that it's only on the day

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that the vehicle finally breaks down for good and falls for good. That it breaks out of its

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restraints and unshackles from all the rules and the conditions of our physical realm.

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Our body auto-ejects the pilot, which, you know, is now just that core body, one that is saturated

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and light and love. It's interesting to hear people say how good it felt to be in that form and

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how their moment to moment worries were just gone. And everybody inherently wants to stay.

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That's one of the things that lines up across so many of the momentarily departed's accounts,

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is that the reason they chose to return is never because they want to go back themselves.

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They felt incredible, better than they've ever felt. And everything was saturated in light and

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love. They never want to return to life on earth because they picked life on earth.

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No, if they are given a choice, the ones that choose to return always did so because they had

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people they felt they needed to be there for. Now you guys, you guys have to know at this point why

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I find that marvelous. As much as I advise that our connection to one another is the point of all of

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this, inherently when all of this mess that is our physical life is gone, to get that reassurance

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that they otherwise have no desire to go back and they want to stay there and the only thing that

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can make them choose to leave that place of light and love like they've never felt before, the

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greatest place that anyone could be, they choose it because of the ones they love.

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Take a moment and picture yourself right where you're sitting, right where you're standing,

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right where you're driving or where you're going. Picture that spiritual self exploring the world

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of the physical and that needy and distracting demanding flesh suit completely foregoing romping

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the literal universe not limited to these three dimensions for it to stay here tethered to all of

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our pain and all of our sensory short fallings and we don't just choose to return to life on earth

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and limit it by these meaty bone bloody restrictions. Most of us actually heavily fear

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letting go of these bodies. Now I get why we so thoroughly invest in these amazing meat suits. I

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mean in nearly every single case these bodies are individually unique. They are unique. They are

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unique. You know everybody gets their own that isn't like anybody else's. Those bodies are also

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completely shapeable, malleable, constantly customized. We decorate our bodies with the

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stories of our lives. Every scar or wrinkle or tattoo or piercing or haircut, every outward

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appearance we choose for ourselves including how we eat, sleep, exercise and clothe ourselves.

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I've heard several statements from witnesses in the rooms of someone who was about to die

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and not come back in which they stated that those people often said something about a presence in

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the room, often angels or someone that they loved who had previously passed. But in near-death

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experience accounts there weren't any that before the person died they said something about presences

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in the room. No angels, no dead loved ones, no Jesus or God meeting them while they were alive.

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It was only after they left their bodies that once they experienced death. It's such an interesting

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I don't know what to do with that but the fact of the matter is not a single account that I could

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find had that in it. So maybe that's just when it's when it's actually time for you to go.

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Well, they meet you at the door. It's just it's really interesting that there doesn't seem to be

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an overlap there. It's almost like you know for the for those of us left behind when someone dies

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who's not coming back with their tail, sometimes we're given the opportunity to get a glimpse

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of the other side. For that person to give you the gift of knowing that there's something

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after. Whereas the people that come back have the choice to talk about it or not.

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And from what these accounts describe I mean the afterlife is magnificent. I mean provided you go

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to the good one. And you guys I'm sorry I really should have gone into more details of the accounts

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but I kind of want to stay on the science side of it and just kind of contemplate based off of what

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these reports say. And the the reports that I've read the people that give the reports are still

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dumbfounded about how magnificent it was. I mean I mentioned before and I'll stress this point.

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Read Imagine Heaven by John Burke. My mother who is an advid and constant listener of the show

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gifted this book to me several years ago. She assisted several times at the end of the show.

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She assisted several times. It's like every time we would show up for a visit it would come up that

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I needed to read this book. But she stopped pestering me about it after a while. And that

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was back when I had zero education and near-death experiences. And then several months ago my Aunt

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Nancy cornered me at a get-together and insisted that while everyone should read it I especially

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needed to read it. My Aunt Nancy is also like one of the most die-hard listeners of this show

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and has read my book twice. I love you so much. My mother has read my book as well. Thank you.

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But one of the things that I've said for a long time now is that I don't believe that we were

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told that heaven was a motivation that this should be transactional. That it should motivate you to

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do proper actions. I don't believe Christ told us, you know, quote, be good so that you can go to

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heaven. It's something that I hear quite a lot of the time and I've seen it dangled from quite a

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few sticks in places of the carrot. And I'm sure we all have. You do this to get that. You'd be

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surprised at just how many people think that good deeds are contributing to the admission fee.

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That's got to be worth some points up there as they do something for somebody else. And I feel

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like that might not be why he was telling us about that. You should be kind to one another because

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that is the right thing to do. I believe the real reason he spoke to us about heaven was so that

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we wouldn't fear the consequence of death. And likely that's why we get these stories

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when people come back that even though their brain and their memory recording was technically

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turned off, they're coming back with these experiences, these memories that should be

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impossible. That should not be possible. That really shouldn't be put. How did it record

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whatever they came back, they've got the memory. I would say that's, that would be a pretty big

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miracle part of it is just the fact that it recorded the memory. Somehow, somehow it's in

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there. There you go. But we get these little glimpses of the don't be afraid to die for

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doing the right thing. Don't be afraid of anything for doing the right thing.

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And you got God looking out for you. But even the consequences, hey,

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he get to go around the universe on a thought feeling better than you ever have, you know,

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in your truest self. Oh, and remember the people that you love who have died. They're waiting for

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you. I believe it was his way of telling us not to fear doing the right thing, even if it looks like

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it would take you out of this plane of existence. I mean, after all, all fear comes from the fear

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of the unknown. And by telling us of heaven, not only does he dethrone that fear from death, which

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is, I mean, if there was ever a banner boy for the fear of the unknown, but it also reassures us of

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life through faith, it stacks up logically. Let's think about our decisions from this angle. Let's

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think about them as as gifts that we give to God. And I think that one of the most crucial elements,

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if not the most crucial element of that gift that we're giving God with each of our decisions is

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the intent behind it. Like that's one of the most influential elements of it. It affects the taste

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of it, so to speak. And which gift do you think he would prefer if that's the case, the one where you

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remembered that there's a heaven and that you want to go there and time for you to make a kind or

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generous or helpful decision? Or the one where you chose to help or be kind or to give because you

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care about them and you want for their happiness because you love them and because Jesus told you

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to love them and that's what you're going to do, dadgummit. And you see the benefit in it. You are

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in that flow of life-affirming love. I feel like that latter one is going to be worth a lot more

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and it's also easier to do. You don't have to deal with the internal turmoil of it. So in summation,

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be good to them because you love them. Be good for them because well you want for their happiness

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and not because of what you get. And you're after. It's going to be fantastic.

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I'm WS Walker. You're the fantastic you and eventually the unfathomably magnificent you. Be sweet.