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Welcome everyone and thanks for tuning in to Reefer the Reefer the podcast with your

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host Little Farmer.

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I'd like to say thanks to all the repeat listeners out there and welcome to all the new listeners.

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We have a special episode today with Nicky Lawley.

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It's about invisible injuries.

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We both discussed how head injuries have changed our lives and how we both turned to cannabis

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to relieve some of the symptoms.

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Let's get into the show.

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So everyone, welcome to the show.

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I have a special guest with me today.

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It's Nicky Lawley and we're going to be talking about invisible injuries, including traumatic

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brain injuries, which you might hear to refer to as TBI and CTE, which is, I can't remember

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the anagram, but it means you got a lot of concussions and it gives you issues down the

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road.

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It's something that's common with NBA or not NBA, but NFL players in general.

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And I used to play football as a youth up through high school.

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It's also a problem with boxers.

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I had a fighter on my show not too long ago, Milwaukee L-Dog.

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And that's something we talked about.

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And I too suffer from CTE from many, many sports and it's really hard to diagnose brain

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injury.

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CTE is something like we just talked, Nicky said, you can't diagnose it until after you're

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dead.

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Then they can go in and look at your brain.

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I'm not going to tell Nicky's story.

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I'll let her tell her own story, but I have suffered from many concussions in my life

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has started out when I was young.

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I don't even remember putting the T through my lip here in a bicycle accident before I

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was five, five or six.

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I fell off a slide that was over 12 feet tall on concrete and cracked.

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I don't know if I had a crack skull.

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They said I didn't, but it knocked me out cold and I've always had ear injuries or ear

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infections ever since then.

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And it's, and it still causes problems.

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I got a list here playing football and youth.

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I know I'd least got my head rung four to 10 times.

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I can't keep count of them, but at least four times I really remember being unwary of where

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I was at after I got hit, headaches, tears in my eyes.

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And it was pretty, pretty bad two or three days of headaches afterwards.

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And then after that, I almost forgot this one when I was talking or trying to make my

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list here.

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And beforehand, I was thinking about this one.

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I had a 10 pound ashtray fall on my head when I was sleeping on the floor one day and it

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woke me up and it still, it hit a nerve right on the blood vessel right here.

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And it still affects me today.

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And that was when I was 18.

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Then in my twenties, I had a bicycle accident where I flew over the handlebars and my front

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teeth broke the fall.

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I was at least 15 feet in the air and that one hurt for probably three or four days.

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And then a skiing accident where I jumped and my knees buckled in my pole, jabbed me

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in the face, kind of like when your knee hits you in the face and when you fall down or

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something or I don't know if you've ever had your knee hit you in the mouth here.

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It's kind of like that, but the pole hit me right where my teeth broke my fall many years

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before.

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So it broke my septum and it hit me in the eye somehow.

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And that one gave me a headache for three or four days.

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But like you say, I heard you say, you can go to the doctor's, oh, well, you got a concussion.

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Just go home, put some ice on it.

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Don't fall asleep for a while.

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But that's all the advice you get for head injuries.

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A lot of times.

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I'm going to go ahead and introduce you just a little bit from what I got from some of

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the podcasts that I've heard you be on.

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You're a woman who does not want to get high, but you just want to get better.

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I understand that.

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I feel the same way.

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I don't really get high when I smoke, but I and when I eat edible, especially I feel

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a lot better.

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Your medical cannabis consumer after a head injury.

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Before your injuries, you were well rounded.

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You worked a lot of jobs.

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You're a very versatile.

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You were pretty social.

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As some of the jobs you worked, you have to be sociable.

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You were smart, adaptive, worked a wide variety of jobs.

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You traveled and you'd lived a pretty full life compared to most and just working one

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job or two jobs.

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You traveled, you worked many jobs.

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That's kind of like me.

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I've worked at least 10 different types of jobs from video gaming to working in a restaurant,

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to working in a dispensary, to teaching in a high school.

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I was a teacher for a while, a substitute.

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Could you let the people out there know kind of what your life was before your injuries,

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what happened and then how you got into cannabis?

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Sure.

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Thanks for having me on today, Michael.

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I appreciate the opportunity to share my story.

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Invisible illness and invisible disability is a real thing.

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I didn't understand it even working as a pediatric nurse.

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Before I was injured, I worked as a dealer, as a pediatric nurse, HVAC, salesperson, business

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owner.

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I had done quite a bit of things in my short 40 plus years.

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I had a really full life.

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Everything was pretty cool.

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I had a married, two kids that are older and a grandchild.

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I just had another grandchild about five weeks ago be born.

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So, a really full, robust life.

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I was working just like any other day as a pediatric nurse and a child became combative

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for a vaccine.

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I had hit my head before.

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There were two minor closed head injuries that I had had prior to this third one that

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changed my life forever.

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The child became combative for a vaccine.

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Being a pediatric nurse, this is something we see every day.

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This wasn't my first rodeo and the kid hit me in the head and I bounced into a wall and

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back into his head.

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My life changed in a literal second.

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I had no idea the lasting effects of it.

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I immediately had a severe headache.

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My left arm became numb and tingly and I was very angry at the child.

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I was like, luckily I didn't share any four letter words with him, but my mind was definitely

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upset.

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Right after it happened, a doctor from the next room came running over saying, oh my

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God, what was that noise?

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My coworker said that was Nikki's head as it bounced into the wall.

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He's like, oh my God, are you okay?

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I'm like, yeah, I'm fine.

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Let's just get this over with.

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So, literally the child got the shot.

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This wasn't like a special needs child or anything like this.

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This was just a regular 10-year-old that was about my size that didn't want a vaccine

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and he wasn't going to get one.

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So he thought, anyway, it was very dangerous.

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I've since learned that the pediatric office I was working at really changed their policy

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and no longer will allow nurses to restrain children that they feel unsafe with that situation

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because it literally changed my life forever.

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The amount of pain that I had following that after the injury, the physician I was working

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with said, you've got to go to urgent care and get checked out.

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I'm pretty sure you've got a concussion.

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And so I did and I went to the urgent care and they said, yes, here's a note from work.

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Take a few days off and you'll be fine.

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I woke up the next day with such severe pain.

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I thought I was having a stroke or something of that nature because it was this headache

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like I had never felt before.

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It was this pounding behind my eyes at the base of my skull.

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I felt like, oh my God, there's something really wrong with my head.

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So immediately my primary provider said, go to the ER and get an MRI and CAT scan.

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So I did, it was the most torturous six hour wait to see a physician in the ER.

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And I mean, I was just in agony and I'll never forget.

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They said, yeah, you've got a closed head injury, nothing more we can do.

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Just go home.

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And I was like, no, there's got to be something.

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This can't be just nothing.

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There's got to be something on those images.

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And that's what really began my loss of self was that visit right there.

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What year was that?

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If you don't mind me asking, what was the technology like?

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Has it evolved since then?

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Is it easier?

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I'm not familiar with CAT scans and MRIs and head injuries.

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I've never gone to a doctor for any of mine except for the one where I fell off a sled

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or the slide when my mother took me.

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But other than that, I've never gone to see a doctor.

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I've just dealt with it on my own.

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So it was in 2016, October 11th, 2016 was my injury at work.

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Seven years.

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The technology has evolved, but not enough to where just because you get hit in the head,

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it doesn't always leave a visible note on these images.

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And so it's really hard to explain until it happens to you.

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Like explaining a brain injury to other people, they just don't understand it because they

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can't see it.

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I look fine on the outside.

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You talk to me after I've medicated and I can connect all my dots when I'm not medicated.

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I'm all over the place.

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I can't follow the storyline.

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I can't even share my story.

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Hard to focus, isn't it?

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Very hard.

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And it's very detached.

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So the short term memory, I got a couple of the listed here of some of the symptoms that

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I have and some other people with head injuries have will be short term memory.

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Like I have to write it down or sometimes I'll have to interrupt.

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Because if I don't say it when I think it two minutes into the conversation, I'll forget

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it and then I'll be like two hours later, oh man, I forgot to tell her this.

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And headaches, of course, when the wind or the temperature barometric pressure changes

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for sure here in Colorado, my head starts to pound.

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I start to get cloudy headed.

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Some of the long term ones are more like depression and loss of interest in all of the things

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you love before.

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I used to be pretty social.

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Sometimes I don't like to be social.

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I'll always have something to smoke when I'm in a social situation because I'm very fidgety,

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nervous and just not interested in BS conversations about little stuff that doesn't make sense

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or make any difference.

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Do you have some of these symptoms?

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You can talk, actually rewind to what your symptoms were right afterwards.

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And I know you had a loving husband that helped you make the decision to try cannabis.

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Did you ever try cannabis as a child?

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That's it.

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Because most of my people I interview, they're in the industry, they'll start younger.

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It's good for their ADHD or just help them to focus.

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And it's all something with the brain.

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They were agitated in and calmed them.

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So had I used cannabis before?

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But never did I believe in its medicinal properties.

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I mean, I thought people that had AIDS or cancer or something like that, that, OK, let

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them get high.

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I don't care.

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It wasn't affecting me.

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But if you asked me as a nurse what my views were on cannabis as medicine, I immediately

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would have said, yeah, no, you're just getting high.

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And my opinion has 180 degree changed.

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If you would have told me your child was using cannabis for seizures from another out of

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state source or something like that, I would have called Child Protective Services on you.

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I mean, that's how I was brought up.

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I'm a child of the 80s.

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I'm a child that grew up in that just say no era.

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Nancy Reagan and I'm a dare graduate.

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I could not imagine someone giving their child cannabis to stop seizures or other issues.

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I just it was beyond my realm of understanding.

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Had I used it socially?

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At the casino as a dealer, it's a very poly substance friendly environment.

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So anyone was drinking, using pills, using flow.

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Cannabis was available and I liked how I felt more using cannabis despite smoking it.

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You know, I was raised with a mom who, you know, smoked the cigs and drank the coffee

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all day.

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And those were two smells that just like were offensive.

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And so now the fact that, you know, I've completely changed my position and smoking is now the

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way I medicate is rather humorous almost just to think that the symptoms became really debilitating

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shortly after I was injured.

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The balance issues, the cognitive function issues, the anxiety, the depression, the chronic

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pain of my head, my neck, my back, everything just hurt.

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And all the doctors were saying was you shouldn't still be having symptoms one month, two months,

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three months, a year, two years after my injury.

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And I'm like, no one wants to go back to work more than this girl.

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And they made me feel like I was malingering, like I was faking, like I wasn't really injured.

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You want some pills, don't you?

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You just want to get high off your pills that they had already started giving you and you

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want to get more.

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And I was called a drug seeker.

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You know, I was called in my medical file a drug seeker and no one want just when you

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work as a nurse, a doctor is your immediate supervisor.

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You do what the doctor says.

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And so I was of that, you know, if the doctor gave me five prescriptions, you just take

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them, you know, this is all upstate New York and Buffalo.

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Correct.

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You're in a Buffalo area at the moment.

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So this accident happened there and the doctors were in that area.

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And at the time, they were definitely that was seven years ago.

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There was no medical in New York.

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Right.

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It was there was medical in New York, but it was very limited for conditions.

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It had, I believe, five conditions at the time I was hurt.

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I discovered cannabis by accident when I was totally hopeless three months into my accident.

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My husband knew that I loved to go to Las Vegas and enjoy the sights, the sounds, the

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gambling, the whole nine yards.

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And I was in no shape to go on vacation for months into my injury.

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But out of desperation to just kind of snap me out of it, he bought this trip and we go

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to Vegas and I'll never forget this day as long as I live.

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It was January 24th, 2017.

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And I was ready to take my life three days into this vacation.

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And I was literally moving the table to jump off the balcony of the cosmopolitan hotel.

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And I just I felt like a burden to my family.

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I felt like doctors didn't believe me.

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I thought like this really is in my head.

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At that time, I was taking some balsa.

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I was taking opiates.

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I was taking steroids.

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I was on an antidepressant.

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I don't even know besides Cymbalta.

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I want to say Depakote.

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There were so many drugs in my system at that point.

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I was not right in the head.

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My chemistry was messed up.

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And so all I thought of was how am I going to die?

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And so I pulled that table out on the cosmopolitan balcony and I stood at the top and I looked

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below and all I saw were umbrellas because we were only three stories above the pool

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area.

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So I saw those beach umbrella kind of things in the pool area.

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And I'm like, this isn't even I can't even kill myself, right?

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I'm just going to get hurt and these are going to cushion my fall.

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So at that same time, I was feeling even worse, right?

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And my husband was out walking around and I look out at the Las Vegas strip and a building

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billboard came driving by saying, get your medical marijuana card in Nevada today.

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I laughed.

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I was like, oh, that's cute.

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Let's just fry your brain on drugs some more.

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Long story short, I ended up actually getting my medical marijuana card going to the first

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dispensary I ever had been to.

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I felt like I was doing something wrong the entire time.

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I felt like this isn't medicine and what am I doing?

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I'm just going to fry my brain more.

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And you know, it was surreal when I think back to that day and I think that people need

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to understand when you are in a desperate situation and you literally have lost all

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hope of everything in your life and you feel like you've lost your kids, you've lost your

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husband, you've lost everything that you ever really loved and enjoyed.

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You're ready to die.

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And I was in that level of mental state and it was scary.

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And that billboard saved my life.

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That billboard gave me hope when I had none.

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So going to the dispensary, consuming the products, I tried gummies, I tried lozenges,

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I tried tinctures, I tried, I ate, I'm not even kidding, six or seven hundred milligram

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packages of gummies because no one told me how much to take.

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And I mean, I just, I had no idea.

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None.

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Zero.

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And they tasted good.

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So I just kept eating them.

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And later, now I know about dosing much more than I did then.

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And I know now that I lack the gene that metabolizes THC and CBD in your liver.

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So it's a site.

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It's called the cytochrome P 250 gene.

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And that's just a real high level of saying you don't metabolize the stuff the right way.

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You don't feel the effects.

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And but at that time, I slept for the first time in three months, four months.

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I had not slept.

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Yeah.

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Insomnia is another issue which just compounds all the other issues because you can't get

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your mental, mental rest, which is very important.

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I took a nap today because I know in the evenings I started to get my ADHD.

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It's worse in my head.

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I'm not as focused.

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So I learned to take a siesta.

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I lived in Spain for over 12 years and I had to take a siesta and because I would get up

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early, work hard, take a three hour nap.

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It's not a nap, really.

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It's siesta because it's three hours and then get up and do the repeat in the afternoon

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or in the evening and then have a big dinner and go to bed.

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There you go.

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I am, you know, that.

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So when I came back to New York state, I expected to be able to get medical marijuana like I

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did in Nevada, in New York.

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And at that time, it was not one of the approved conditions.

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What were the approved conditions at the time for the other states can hear and like, hey,

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we need to get pain, chronic pain on there because mine's for IBS.

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That's what I got my card for.

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But that was the only thing that I could have potentially qualified for was IBS.

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Other than that, it was wasting, debilitating to stage four cancer, wasting syndrome.

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There were just five conditions that were so significant.

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And IBS was one that like was the only one that I could even sort of qualify for, even

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though I didn't really have IBS.

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I was thinking I could go tell a doctor I had it.

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But again, I don't want to lie, you know.

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And so then when I told doctors, so I was part of the workers compensation system in

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New York because I was injured at work.

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And so the physicians that are there are literally incentivized to get you back to work as fast

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as possible, not if you're better, but as fast as possible.

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So when these doctors, I would tell them about my experience in Nevada that, you know, I

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smoked a joint from the dispensary in Nevada and I was able to leave the hotel room for

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the first time and that whole vacation.

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Oh, we can't talk to you about that.

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I'm probably sure they said.

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Oh, they said that's illegal.

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If you're smoking THC, that's not medicinal.

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And you're a drug seeker and you're using something illegally.

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And honestly, Michael, I didn't understand that medical cannabis and the guy down the

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streets cannabis, they're the same plant.

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They're just grown by different people.

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In my mind, medical cannabis was like the difference between over the counter cannabis

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and prescription cannabis.

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I didn't.

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It's the same stuff.

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It's exactly the same stuff, but there is some medical, there's a little more care a

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lot of times and should be sometimes.

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It depends on the state.

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It's all being regulated differently in different states and new states are, I just want to

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one thing I'm trying to do the podcast with the new states who are regulating or trying

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to make their regulations and rules that they the people know what to expect and what to

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look out for, what to avoid, what to what to ask for.

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So more reasons to be able to get your medical card.

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Like in New York, they only have five.

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Let's make it to four anxiety.

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I think in California, if you're stressed, if job stress relieves your stress, we now

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have any condition that a doctor prescribes is safe for cannabis.

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That just happened in 2021.

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Chronic pain was added to our formulary, if you will, of qualifying conditions back in

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2018.

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So in May of 2018, I did get my New York state medical card.

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And then I began realizing the products that were in New York state were nothing like what

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was in Nevada.

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We had like so few products.

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New York and Minnesota were really on the same page of regulations as far as what was

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allowed percentage wise of THC, CBD and how they rated it.

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When I was at my lowest point.

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So January of 2017, I discovered the plant, came home to New York, got all hopeless again,

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got prescribed more drugs again.

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At one point, I was taking 16 different pills.

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And of those pills, each one had more of a side effect.

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And so what did the doctors do?

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Give me another pill for those side effects.

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And by the time it was said and done, I'm now taking one antidepressant and a thyroid

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pill.

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You know, that's it now.

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And the cost on that must have been insane.

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I didn't pay for it because, okay, yeah, workers comp, but still it probably even cost more

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for the insurance company because I know whenever sharing companies paying for the doctor.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, because when I didn't have insurance, oh, you don't have insurance.

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Well, we don't have to charge you for this.

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And we don't have to charge you for this.

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And to end it.

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I know the trick.

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My sister's a pediatrician actually.

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And we've had conversations about it.

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Then there's some doctors out there that will most definitely do that and take advantage

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of the system to fatten their wallets.

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100%.

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And I didn't understand that as a nurse.

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You know what I mean?

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And why weren't we talking about more holistic approaches to my brain injury when I was hopeless

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instead of talking about my diet, instead of talking about, you know, massage therapy

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or, you know, cognitive therapy.

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Instead we're just giving me pills, more pills, more pills, more pills, new treatments, new

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this, new that.

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I don't really go to the doctor too often.

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It's not that I don't trust the doctors.

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I know a lot of doctors have great intentions, but they're stuck in the system that I don't

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trust.

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Right.

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Right.

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And so I actually posted in 2018 a very hopeless post on social media on Facebook at the time

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that was like, I finally found something that might have worked for my brain injury symptoms.

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And now I'm told that it really wasn't effective.

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And you know, I'm just a drug seeker.

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And I've like pretty much lost all faith in the medical system and I have no hope and

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blah, blah, blah.

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Someone from Canada reached out to me and said, we'll get our medical card here.

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Why don't you come up here and try our pot?

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We've got pot up here.

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And I live in Buffalo, New York, which is very close to the Canadian border.

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So going to Toronto is like an hour and a half for me.

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It's not a big, huge commute.

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I ended up becoming a medical cannabis refugee in Canada because I literally found relief

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for the first time from my TBI symptoms.

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And it was incredible.

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The amount of knowledge they had in Canada.

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Like I learned about the plant in a way that had never been explained to me.

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I learned we had a system in our body called the endocannabinoid system or ECS and I was

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blown away.

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I was like, I don't know what you're smoking, man, but we don't got a system in our body

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like that.

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Like I would have learned about that.

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It connects all of our other systems and it's central nervous system in brain.

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It's not what CBD CBD doesn't do a bunch of things.

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It just does one thing and it affects your central nervous system and that your brain

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and your endocannabinoid system.

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But that touches on everything in your body.

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It does.

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It's your homeostasis.

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It's your balance.

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And when I heard that, it just was like, yeah, no, I don't think so.

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But then I started hearing it more often and I started hearing more people talk about it.

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And then I started going to events in Canada and it started opening my eyes to a whole

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world I had no idea even existed.

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So my friends got, you know, a couple of different strains from the licensed producer they had.

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I mean, in Canada, I like to like to specify strains too.

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So I heard you mention a strain that you really like, but you can't get it.

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And that's going to lead me into something later because I'm a caregiver and caregivers

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instead of dispensaries can keep these strains that the people they help alive so that they

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can always get it.

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You know what I mean?

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And then I know you heard talk about it in dispensary later.

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I'll let you continue.

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You went to Canada and you had four strains.

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Do you remember the strains?

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The ones I helped you.

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OK, well, well, Royal Purple Kush did not.

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Help me.

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I like comatose.

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I was like, see, that would help me.

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I loved that when I lived in Quebec and I've been to Toronto for probably four months of

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my life because I was in Spain for 12 years and I could only find hash and it really wasn't

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satisfying me.

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And I started growing in Spain.

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I got pulled over with a quarter pound of weed one time by the Spanish National Police,

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scared to live a shit out of me.

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I got out of it.

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I had to sit on the side of the road.

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They searched my car.

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I was so lucky.

479
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,960
And I diverted them at the last second when they were going to look for my in the area

480
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:56,560
was that I asked him a question and he turned around and he started saying some in English

481
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,600
and I made a joke and then he stopped searching in that area.

482
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,800
So I might have diverted him from me going to jail.

483
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,800
But I asked.

484
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:08,880
After that, we moved to Canada and the Royal Purple Kush helped me a lot.

485
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,880
I loved it.

486
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,520
It smelled like a skunk and it was great.

487
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,400
Oh, I hated it.

488
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,160
But cheese, original cheese by Can Trust was a game changer for me.

489
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,160
He's OK.

490
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,660
It was a true cheese hybrid.

491
00:30:21,660 --> 00:30:23,840
It was actually more like UK cheese.

492
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,000
It's a very popular one in the UK.

493
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,200
The cheese is a UK people.

494
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:39,160
Yeah, it was like an equal mixture of it was almost like a one to one with THC and CBD.

495
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,560
And it was so effective.

496
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,960
My husband, I'll never forget.

497
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,240
He called me while I was in Canada.

498
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,960
I was playing Scrabble.

499
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,080
I was doing basic math.

500
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:57,160
These are things that I could not have done the day before without the medicine.

501
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:04,720
And when you realize that your entire existence, can we put this on pause?

502
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,960
Yes, once again.

503
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,960
We're good.

504
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,400
So you can't use right.

505
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,840
The UK cheese was very effective.

506
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,760
And I was playing Scrabble.

507
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,120
My husband's like, what's wrong with you?

508
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,120
I'm like, what do you mean?

509
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,120
What's wrong with me?

510
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,520
He said, you sound normal.

511
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:30,600
You sound normal for the first time in two plus years in like your speech pattern, correct?

512
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Like your enthusiasm or like your your own first back.

513
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Were you again?

514
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Almost.

515
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:37,920
Almost.

516
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,120
But yeah, it was insane.

517
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:41,120
That effect.

518
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:46,280
And so that's when I started to realize that different strains had different effects.

519
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,460
And I didn't understand at first what I was looking for.

520
00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:53,480
So I started to journal the experience.

521
00:31:53,480 --> 00:32:00,160
There was an app called Strain Print in Canada that helped me.

522
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:06,000
Log the experience so I could say I treat currently and back then.

523
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,880
But now I can articulate it much better.

524
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,980
My chronic pain of my head and neck.

525
00:32:09,980 --> 00:32:14,120
My anxiety, depression and my cognitive function or brain fog.

526
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,360
That's what I use cannabis for medicinally.

527
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:24,800
And so when I started journaling the experience in this app, it started to build a history

528
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:31,700
and I could tell you based on terpene profiles what really worked and why.

529
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:40,320
And so I literally consumed cannabis based on the COAs or certificates of analysis or

530
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:46,760
lab testing reports rather than by a strain name, because this is how I kind of learned

531
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,760
what worked.

532
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,600
I've learned that strains high in limonene, pining really are effective for me for my

533
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,280
cognitive function.

534
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,440
But strains that are too high in pining without something to offset them, such as beta care

535
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:07,600
falling or another terpene, it's not as effective and it actually increases anxiety.

536
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,680
So it's like it's like sort of a whole experiment that you've got to be willing to try, you

537
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,800
know, and it's not a one size fits all.

538
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,600
What works for me might not work for you, even though we may have brain injuries, even

539
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,520
though we may have similar symptoms, we have different endocannabinoid systems.

540
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:33,120
So sharing that and letting people know it's OK to try different forms of consumption because

541
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,160
the bio bio availability is different.

542
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,240
When you smoke, it's rapid onset.

543
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,680
You will know pretty much within 15 minutes if that strain is effective for you.

544
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,000
Whereas if you eat a gummy, that has to go through your whole first pass digestive system

545
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,920
and be metabolized and broken down in your liver.

546
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:58,440
And many times you won't feel the effects for a couple of hours and people don't understand

547
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,440
that.

548
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,600
And then sometimes if you eat a really fatty meal when you consume your cannabis, that

549
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,080
too, that binds to the receptors.

550
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:15,480
And you can go down like a green out situation where you're too high and your body is saying,

551
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,320
get that out of me, almost like being too drunk.

552
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,400
You know, I mean, yeah, too much.

553
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:21,400
It's not good.

554
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,400
I assume a drinking, I'm not knocking anybody who drinks on a casual level and they can

555
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,400
consume a couple of drinks and that's it.

556
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,400
And they're fine.

557
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,120
But there's a lot of people that can't control their alcohol.

558
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,000
I was one who couldn't control how much I drank.

559
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,480
I didn't get violent, but I would just keep drinking.

560
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:43,080
And I think there's someone with my brain injury, maybe or my genetics and my weight

561
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,080
because I'm thin.

562
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,040
We metabolize alcohol faster than most people would think.

563
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,480
So thin people can drink more.

564
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:54,640
I just drank a lot and it didn't really get me drunk, but it it really wore my body down.

565
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,480
It wasn't good for it.

566
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,620
And I consumed a lot of cannabis at the time.

567
00:34:58,620 --> 00:35:03,100
And I think that really regenerated my body after all the hangovers.

568
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:04,100
And it really helped.

569
00:35:04,100 --> 00:35:07,920
I've heard this a lot and it really helped with the headaches.

570
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,480
It does for sure.

571
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:15,640
And when I have the right cannabinoids and terpenes, my life is phenomenal.

572
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,720
I just the problem with smoking is it only lasts so long.

573
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:25,800
And so as quick as it onsets, it also dissipates.

574
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,420
So within two hours, I'm no longer medicated.

575
00:35:29,420 --> 00:35:36,360
So I tend to microdose throughout the day, meaning a small amount of a joint several

576
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,600
times a day rather than one big joint at the end of the day or the day before joints, the

577
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,880
balls and bones.

578
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,080
I do.

579
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:52,240
And it's sort of I actually when I go to dispensaries now, I go for pre rolls and a lot of people

580
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:53,720
do, especially because it's a lot easier.

581
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:58,800
I don't prefer them, but that's just easier when I'm at home, because I know a lot of

582
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,240
people don't like to smoke when I'm with my family.

583
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,720
I grew up, my mom and dad were 100 percent against it.

584
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:05,720
They were teachers.

585
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:10,000
I had some older sisters, luckily, who kind of mediated between me and my parents and

586
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,000
like, don't worry too much.

587
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,000
He's only smoking weed.

588
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,600
We'll kind of watch out for him.

589
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,800
He's not doing hard drugs.

590
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:15,800
He's not on pills.

591
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,600
He's not doing heroin or cocaine or a lot of other stuff.

592
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:20,600
Yeah.

593
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:26,880
So now they're open to it now, but I do respect to try not to.

594
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,880
Reek up their house.

595
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:28,880
I'll smoke outside.

596
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,280
And but I'll take little bong hits or bowl hits because it's easier just like you said,

597
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,280
microdose.

598
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,680
I'll take two bowl hits and hide it from the nephew so they're not questioning everything.

599
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,680
You know.

600
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,960
Yeah, it's a thing.

601
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,600
And the stigma surrounding smoking cannabis is a thing.

602
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:51,760
And that's why someone who looks like me does not exactly look like the, quote, cannabis

603
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,840
consumer traditionally.

604
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,520
But I'm trying to change that, you know, and say it's OK to have a bong rip.

605
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,880
It's OK to have a joint.

606
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,800
You know, there's nothing wrong with it.

607
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:10,380
And yet it's been stigmatized and demonized for so long that people need to see it in

608
00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:14,000
action to really respect it and to believe it.

609
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,800
You know, I was told never smoke on a podcast because that just will make you look gross.

610
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,960
And I'm like, but that's how I Medicaid.

611
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,040
That's how I do it.

612
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:30,180
I mean, I don't want to mislead anyone and say, oh, I just take a little tincture here

613
00:37:30,180 --> 00:37:32,000
and there and I'm fine.

614
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,760
No, I have to smoke.

615
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:34,760
I have to stink.

616
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,460
I mean, but there are other options out there.

617
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:42,420
Some people have the opposite effect of you with the tentures.

618
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:45,720
They just need a little bit and they can sleep like a baby.

619
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:49,760
One of my favorite stories is my friend lives in Virginia.

620
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,960
He lived in Colorado a long time ago with me.

621
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:57,080
We've always smoked and we had college together and we were drinking buddies, pool partners.

622
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:03,800
Then his mom hadn't slept in probably six years and he got his Med card in Virginia

623
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,240
and he got her some CBD tentures.

624
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:12,600
It was one thousand milligrams of CBD, maybe like 10 milligrams of THC, just enough to

625
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:16,760
activate them because that does have a synergistic effect, but it doesn't get her high.

626
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,780
But she takes them and she'll sleep like a baby and she wakes up with more energy and

627
00:38:20,780 --> 00:38:21,780
she's happier.

628
00:38:21,780 --> 00:38:24,560
And now she's like, I'm on the weed, guys.

629
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,560
I'm on the weed.

630
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,960
She goes and tells her her elderly friends and the word is getting around.

631
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,680
There's other ways to consume besides smoking.

632
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:33,680
Absolutely.

633
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,200
It does work for a lot of people.

634
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:37,880
I make my own tentures here.

635
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080
I like the tentures.

636
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,600
They really do help, especially when I had covid.

637
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560
The brain fog was 10 times worse for me.

638
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,240
I ended up getting fatigue.

639
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:54,240
I think the tentures actually help oxygen get to my muscles when I was having problems

640
00:38:54,240 --> 00:39:01,240
with stiff muscles because I lived at 10,500 feet and the altitude and oxygen was low.

641
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,560
So it was really hard to get oxygen with covid.

642
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,000
And the first round I worked out of dispensary and we were all getting free samples because

643
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,480
we had a new owner and they were bringing all the new companies were like, oh, he's

644
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,480
a new owner.

645
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,480
And they were bringing in samples.

646
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,080
Yeah, you got to get our product onto the market.

647
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,840
So they were bringing samples and all the bud tenders would get a chance to sample them

648
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,640
and give their feedback.

649
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,640
But they never got educated.

650
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,960
That's the thing.

651
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,360
But they never got educated a lot of times.

652
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,160
I've seen companies come in and try to educate the bud tenders on the products so they can

653
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,720
educate the consumer about it.

654
00:39:35,720 --> 00:39:38,920
But once it went recreational, nobody really cared about that.

655
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,760
It's all about just sell them, sell them as much as you can.

656
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,400
They're from Texas, sell them Willie Nelson.

657
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:50,200
We just mentioned Willie Nelson, they're all behind, upsell, upsell.

658
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:51,200
That's it.

659
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,200
And that's sad.

660
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,800
I mean, it's sad that it's become so commoditized.

661
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:03,480
But yet at the same time, the more products we have access to as medical patients, the

662
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,240
more diverse the market becomes.

663
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:07,240
It's harder to navigate them though.

664
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:12,400
So to what we're trying to do and what you're saying, smoke these strains, try them out

665
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,680
if you have this problem.

666
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:18,080
These strains are really hard to keep though in stock.

667
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:23,640
If you're working in as a bud tender or as a grower, you know that these strains can

668
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:24,640
get lost.

669
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,280
And people are like, how can you lose a strain?

670
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,320
Because you can say a strain like UK cheese, but the UK cheese grown in UK and then they'll

671
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,600
get seeds and send them over to Canada and it'll be the same seeds from them.

672
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,640
But that'll be like, it's like a mother and daughter.

673
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:47,040
You're going to have two different phenotypes and they're going to have two different mixtures

674
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,160
of terpenes and cannabinoids.

675
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,960
They'll be very similar, but not that one.

676
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,560
So it turns out when you hear a strain, there's one mother strain that's very infamous like

677
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,960
cookies and somebody paid a thousand dollars for this strain.

678
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,920
And then they get a clone of the strain.

679
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,000
It's going to be the same thing.

680
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,760
But then there's a bunch of seeds and everybody says they have this cookies plant because

681
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,360
it comes from the seeds.

682
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,640
It's not going to be just like that one mother.

683
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:15,640
They're very unique.

684
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:21,680
They're one in a million or even bigger odds than that.

685
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,680
You're right.

686
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,680
You're right.

687
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,760
And it depends so much how it's grown.

688
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,920
So like if you're growing outside, if you're growing inside, if you're doing LED lights

689
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,240
versus metal halide and high pressure sodium, you know, there's a whole different thing,

690
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,360
the medium you're using.

691
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,800
So that's why I shop by certificate of analysis.

692
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,720
And you go outdoors or indoors.

693
00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:45,760
Do you have a preference?

694
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,400
Honest to gosh, no.

695
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,520
It depends on, you know, the turf profile.

696
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,880
I want to go more outdoors and possible, but prohibition has moved everything indoors.

697
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,560
So I don't know much about outdoors compared to the indoors.

698
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:01,560
The Canadians.

699
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,560
Thank you, Canadians.

700
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,120
I learned a lot from a Rick Simpson.

701
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,200
That was one of the first things I ever learned was Rick Simpson oil.

702
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,200
He's a Canadian.

703
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:15,680
I know they do a lot of research in Canada on and Israel on cannabis.

704
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:16,900
And it's a government thing.

705
00:42:16,900 --> 00:42:21,340
So there's been tons and tons and tons of research done on cannabis.

706
00:42:21,340 --> 00:42:25,880
And here we're still stalling politically saying, oh, we can do more research.

707
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:31,860
Why can't we share research with other countries that we already share?

708
00:42:31,860 --> 00:42:33,360
Other pharmaceutical drugs.

709
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,360
Yeah.

710
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,840
Do we say share the same part of pharmaceutical drugs that we have a different system?

711
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,160
I lived in Canada, like I said, for for a part of three and a half years in Quebec.

712
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,080
And it's a little different than the rest of Canada, but it still has the different

713
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,400
health care system.

714
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,280
And it's different than Spain, too.

715
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,020
I like the Spanish health care system a little bit better personally.

716
00:42:54,020 --> 00:42:59,200
But they're very slow on cannabis where I lived in Spain and other parts.

717
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,520
They're a little bit more advanced.

718
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,280
They just had a huge convention, Spannabis in Spain.

719
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,160
And I wanted to go to that so bad.

720
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:14,080
I just you know, when you're an advocate, you don't really get compensated necessarily

721
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:19,180
sponsored as easily as you did if you're a salesperson or something like that.

722
00:43:19,180 --> 00:43:21,720
And I educate people on the whole plan.

723
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:28,640
And I try and, you know, share my experience to share that educational level and what?

724
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,400
Again, what my stuff, what works for me might not work for other people.

725
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,840
And so I'm not here to give anyone medical advice.

726
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,400
I'm just saying your own homework, be your own advocate.

727
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:44,800
And that's what I had to do, navigate this whole invisible illness disability thing.

728
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,040
You know, I looked fine.

729
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,640
And doctors just said, you know, oh, she's smiling today so she can go back to work.

730
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:56,880
No, I don't think you want me handling your child when I can't count to 20.

731
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,880
I don't think you want me being responsible for calling in medications when I can't do

732
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,040
basic math.

733
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,340
I don't think you want me, you know, trying to resuscitate your child if I can't count

734
00:44:08,340 --> 00:44:10,840
breaths per minute and beats of the heart.

735
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,280
You know, I mean, that's a big thing.

736
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:18,520
And these doctors in the workers compensation system just cared about getting me back to

737
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,520
work.

738
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,920
Like I said, no one wanted to go back to work more than this girl.

739
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:31,200
And when I had exhausted all the different pharmaceutical approaches in 2018, so two

740
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:37,520
years later, I had started going out of network and started doing my own advocacy, trying

741
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,120
to understand what is wrong with my brain.

742
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Why can I not do math?

743
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,500
What is the problem?

744
00:44:43,500 --> 00:44:45,780
Why can I not regulate my emotions?

745
00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:49,080
Why can I not, you know, why do I have a headache still?

746
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,080
I was hormonal.

747
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:56,120
Do you think was it like, cause I know hormones control a lot of that, especially with the,

748
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:02,160
with the anxiety and the depression and it says certain hormones are hormonal.

749
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,500
It was cervical instability.

750
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:09,320
So my neck got injured significantly when I got hit.

751
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:14,320
And so the blood does not flow to certain areas in my brain.

752
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,440
The cerebral spinal fluid doesn't go through my brain the way it does other people.

753
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,720
Maybe that's something that happens to my neck cracks all the time ever since high school

754
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:29,560
football before just heading and getting your head knocked around.

755
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:30,560
Yeah.

756
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,880
I mean, I pretty much have a bobble head.

757
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,840
Like, I mean, my head is heavy all the time.

758
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:40,800
You know, I, I almost feel like I have to go like this sometimes to relieve the pressure

759
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,480
at the base of my skull.

760
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,320
I get the ability pain right in the back.

761
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,240
Sometimes just lifting my arm up, especially in the morning, like I'll pick up a cup of

762
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,920
coffee or pot of coffee and it'll give me knife stabbing pain right in the back of my

763
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:54,920
neck here.

764
00:45:54,920 --> 00:46:00,280
And I'll, I'm on my knees and tears for about 20 minutes and then I can get up and it's

765
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,840
like, it never happened except for like a long burning sting.

766
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,860
And it's, it's hard to explain that to people and doctors can't see the pain.

767
00:46:09,860 --> 00:46:20,000
So they just give you drugs based on their understanding of pain that is based on a textbook.

768
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,960
And everybody feels pain differently to my, my way of feeling pain.

769
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,840
I grew up, my mother and the doctor, because I would have these inflamed ear infections

770
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,520
as a baby and I would stop sucking on my bottle, but I wouldn't cry.

771
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:36,880
I never cried when I had ear heaps.

772
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,480
Like, this is a tough little baby.

773
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,760
You must not feel pain or something.

774
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,280
I do feel pain, but not the same as other people.

775
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,280
I don't react to it.

776
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,960
I guess the same, I'll get hit.

777
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:51,840
I used to play football or have an accident and I wouldn't even notice that I was bleeding

778
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,200
or had a huge bruise until the next two days.

779
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,120
And then I'm like, why is my leg all red?

780
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,800
And why is it, why am I limping now?

781
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,400
And so other people process pain in different ways.

782
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:10,520
Lingering pain is a lot different than in chronic pain that just happened.

783
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,960
And like, you get your teeth knocked out.

784
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,120
Like I have them by, by a root.

785
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:20,000
I swear I was 12 feet in the air on a bike and my teeth broke my fall besides give me

786
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,600
whiplash and that I had a mini tiny bruise on my shoulder.

787
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,400
And after flying 12 feet in the air, the people thought I was going to be dead.

788
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,080
They come running over to me and I walked over and said, all right, take me home.

789
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:32,680
They were, I thought you were dead, man.

790
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:33,680
There's no way.

791
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,560
Cause we didn't have helmets at that time either.

792
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,560
It was back in the nineties.

793
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,600
Right, right.

794
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Everything is involved, you know, so differently now and how we treated babies, for instance,

795
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,240
you know, I mentioned my daughter just had a baby and like one of the things, everything

796
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,520
is different now than it was even when I was a nurse.

797
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,800
Like they have to sleep on their back.

798
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,360
They can't sleep on their stomach.

799
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,240
They can't sleep in a swing or in a car seat.

800
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:13,080
They have to be on a totally flat surface, like things that we never even thought of,

801
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:18,400
you know, and now there's so many warnings on everything because everybody's so paranoid

802
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,000
about getting sued.

803
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,120
And so everyone is afraid of like, that's a big thing with insurance, with events, like

804
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,640
they don't even bat an eye for an alcohol tent.

805
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:35,680
But if you say you're going to have consumption of cannabis without alcohol, even that's a

806
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,240
huge, big thing.

807
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:43,280
You know, I mean, at least it's becoming more normal in Denver and California and certain

808
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:50,680
states, but you know, it's still a big hassle to get insurance coverage for events and things

809
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,680
like that.

810
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,360
Even here in Colorado, we're not guaranteed that we can keep our job with a medical card

811
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:03,400
and people still, like I heard you say, you had to carry a fake urine around while you

812
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,520
were at work and they say, hey, give you a pop urinalysis in the middle of work or something.

813
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:13,760
You know, I still have somebody I care for here as a caregiver who has to do that too.

814
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,880
They have their fake urine in their purse in case they get caught up for the urinalysis.

815
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,360
It's all about the temperature.

816
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:22,920
The purse won't do it.

817
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,680
Yeah, but they have to don't give it to her and she has to go to another laboratory.

818
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:34,800
She has a drive and she stops and warms it up and has a little thermometer on the side.

819
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:35,800
She's well seasoned.

820
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,880
She's in her sixties.

821
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,120
She's had to deal with this her whole life.

822
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:50,160
Just dealing as somebody like myself, I started gradually at 17, 16, my first time I really

823
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:56,040
felt it and it slowed my brain down and I was thinking normally as I think people think

824
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:57,040
normal.

825
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,040
I don't know.

826
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,420
And consumed it through college.

827
00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:04,960
It's one of the reasons I went to college where I went because I knew that I had a connection

828
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,040
there already and I could get it and we didn't have too many names at the time for what we

829
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:12,040
got.

830
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,520
We just got what we got.

831
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:21,200
Sometimes it helped more than others, but it was very, it made me paranoid.

832
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,280
It can make you paranoid and it has a bad stigma.

833
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,200
So it kept me from socializing as much as I wanted to, but I always went to parties.

834
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:35,560
I always had some herb and wherever I always lived, it was always illegal.

835
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,880
I'm trying to read my notes here, but I'm not too good at it.

836
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,440
I had to hide the consumption.

837
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,360
It kept me away from the family.

838
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,800
It did affect many relationships.

839
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,400
It makes you paranoid and I never wanted to do pills.

840
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:56,480
I never did pills in my life except for ibuprofen and ibuprofen too can really do damage to

841
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,440
your stomach.

842
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,800
My father was in the same boat.

843
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,160
He was a referee and his knees were hurting him.

844
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,840
So he'd take a couple of ibuprofen before the game.

845
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:13,560
After the game, he would be okay and eat something, but with ibuprofen without food, he was taking

846
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,400
it and it just destroyed his stomach and had ulcers.

847
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,720
I did the same in high school.

848
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:22,040
So it destroyed my stomach when I was in high school.

849
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:27,080
That's what I used for pain in high school playing football and sports and I was a pole

850
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:31,520
vaulter and it really screwed my shoulder up and pulling it back all the time.

851
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,520
That with the cervical neck and hitting with football and everything, it really has screwed

852
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:40,240
up my neck in a good way.

853
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:41,800
So I relied on alcohol a lot.

854
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:46,920
I know a lot of other people rely on alcohol too.

855
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,960
Head injuries and alcohol do not mix.

856
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,000
Head injuries and other pills do not mix.

857
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:57,160
I know a lot of people have mixed those and then it just makes those suicidal thoughts

858
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,720
even worse because alcohol is a very depressing drug and it's not for everybody.

859
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:03,200
It just changes some people.

860
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,280
Some people aren't the same after one drink.

861
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,800
They become totally different people.

862
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,480
Some become angry.

863
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,920
Some become loosey.

864
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:18,120
Some become just really happy and then crash.

865
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,120
And they're sad.

866
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,280
I've seen that happen many times.

867
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:28,960
My ex was from Peru so my daughter is half South American, Native and I talked to her

868
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,280
grandparents and it's destroyed cultures.

869
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,960
They talk about how it's destroyed cultures in the Native American world and that was

870
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,280
one reason I really quit.

871
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:46,240
And I came back to Colorado when they legalized but then I got hurt and had to go back to

872
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,160
West Virginia because I couldn't walk or work.

873
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:54,000
I had hurt my foot and I went to the doctor to have them check my foot out and I told

874
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,040
them I don't want any pills please.

875
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:02,520
I want some kind of rehabilitation, some kind of acupuncture and first thing here take these

876
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:07,000
gabapentin and I'm not going to take the gabapentin.

877
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:11,920
I just told you I don't want pills and well don't worry they're not on the addictive

878
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:12,920
list.

879
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,000
They're not addictive.

880
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:21,480
And lo and behold what four years later they become newest addition to the addictive list

881
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,040
of pharmaceutical drugs that the companies have said they weren't addictive but they

882
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,040
were like OxyContin many years before.

883
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:37,200
And I've had a lot of friends hooked on pills at young ages in grade school or not grade

884
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,280
school but middle school and high school and alcohol.

885
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:47,320
It was so easy to get and one of the biggest issues that politicians will bring up whenever

886
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:53,400
it does come to light into a conversation is that children are going to get access to

887
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:59,400
cannabis and being in Canada did you notice there what is what's happened in Canada with

888
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,120
children did is there a big influx of kids hanging out on the corner smoking joints?

889
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,600
No, no.

890
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:14,480
In Canada especially there's so many requirements about access safe access for Canadians and

891
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:21,520
no in Canada definitely I don't notice I don't have the statistics or anything like that.

892
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:27,880
But in states that have legalized cannabis there is proof that there's no increase or

893
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:34,000
uptick of cannabis consumers of high schoolers or underage.

894
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,920
See I've seen where it's gone down that's as well as narcotic prescriptions as well

895
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:47,520
as alcohol use as well as so there's you know anybody can do a study and one of the things

896
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,080
like National Institutes of Health.

897
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:58,720
Okay they're looking for the harms of drugs and so their study is really jaded to show

898
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,720
the harm of the drug not the benefit of the drug.

899
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:06,560
The one that was got my father my father's like oh you're in Colorado make sure that

900
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,440
you watch out there's going to be more car accidents because of people smoking weed and

901
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:16,280
driving and they had they showed statistics how the percentage or or no not the percentage

902
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:24,040
the number of car accidents since legalization in Colorado has risen and I looked at it and

903
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:29,680
I heard it from the other perspective the yes it has the car accident numbers have increased

904
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:37,640
significantly but so has the population and through percentage wise it's actually decreased

905
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:43,720
and how many how many years has the Department of Transportation tried to reduce casualties

906
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:48,960
on the highways with drinking and driving seat belts and all these different types of

907
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,400
commercials test belt dummies boom and you know they've spent millions and lo and behold

908
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,840
smoking weed will bring down the amount of deaths on the on the highway that's what the

909
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,600
statistics are showing but they won't show it that way.

910
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:11,440
We have to recognize that not everybody gets high people get medicated so just because

911
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:18,400
you're prescribed Oxycontin for your chronic pain and I'm prescribed cannabis for my chronic

912
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:26,360
pain I use cannabis you take your Oxycontin we're chronic pain patients so that really

913
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:33,360
doesn't increase our impairment even though if I were to take an Oxycontin you know having

914
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:39,840
not done it before you probably wouldn't want me behind a wheel same as cannabis like the

915
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:46,920
newbie should not be driving or operating heavy machinery after consuming until they

916
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:52,520
figure out what is working in their body when you combine substances it's definitely a bigger

917
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:59,800
problem than just isolating one substance so a lot of the moms against drunk driving

918
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:06,480
things like that they're freaked out about cannabis and again we're trying to lump it

919
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:13,520
into the alcohol pile or trying to lump it into the heroin pile because that's the scheduled

920
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:22,080
drug but it is and it's absolutely wrong and until it gets rescheduled or de-scheduled

921
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:28,280
it's going to be an uphill battle no matter who you talk to you know it's really difficult

922
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,760
to get this law passed or recognized because you know they talked about it in Switzerland

923
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:40,440
recently or Austria Switzerland Austria something like that they had the National Institute

924
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:48,280
of Narcotics or drug use and they were talking about how North America going with cannabis

925
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:59,480
is violating the 1961 policy of narcotic drugs and it's like it's not 1961 anymore

926
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:06,880
and it isn't a narcotic and yet it's treated worse than a narcotic and we've got to do

927
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,800
better people have to do their own research and they have to learn as much as they can

928
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:17,000
about the condition that they're treating and look at alternative therapies every doctor

929
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,600
is not your friend every doctor just because they have a dr ahead of their name or an MD

930
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:30,000
after their name is not the most knowledgeable of your health as the health care system evolves

931
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,720
doctors are paid on the amount of patients they see so you might have sometimes they

932
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,120
get cake backs on what they prescribed to in certain countries when I got went to Peru

933
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:46,080
it seemed like the pharmaceutical company representatives were like vultures there excuse

934
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:53,960
me I had a I got I went to Lima and I got I wasn't smoking I would it was one of the

935
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:57,640
longest breaks I've taken from smoking in a while I couldn't get access soon as I got

936
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,880
there I had a line on some and I read the paper right after I got there and heard it

937
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,560
there was a 20 pound bust or something and that affected the hookup I had lined up and

938
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:16,280
then it fell through the contaminations in the air got into my lungs and I got pneumonia

939
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:23,000
basically and I could not get better down there and the only thing that made me better

940
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:29,720
was cannabis I had basically went to the mountains where the air was clean at 13,000 feet and

941
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:35,040
I couldn't breathe because of the cold nights and the fires and the hot days I couldn't

942
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,960
breathe so I had to come back to America and the vultures down there had me on steroids

943
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,640
the inhaler 20 different other things ended up getting shots I passed out at the hospital

944
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:53,280
and I could not get better no matter what I just felt like crap so I came home and luckily

945
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:59,320
I had a line on a good ounce of herb and I just smoked on it for three days and I was

946
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:07,080
better all of it came up all of it came out and I felt better it really cleans my lungs

947
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:15,000
out people will say the smoke is bad for you but during COVID to somehow they proved that

948
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,880
it coasts the inner of your lining interlining of your lungs and helps to keep the COVID

949
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:27,960
from attaching the virus or to attach to your lungs and to dwell there and and cultivate

950
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:34,840
and and get stronger so I think it helped a lot of people in Colorado with COVID consuming

951
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:39,080
and the edibles I know one time I had the fatigue I had fatigue for a whole year and

952
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:46,400
I was one of the long haul symptoms of survivors I didn't even know I had COVID at first and

953
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:52,760
then two weeks after I had it I was in bed and I didn't get up for six months basically

954
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:58,840
it felt like I couldn't get back to work I ended up having to move to Denver to get another

955
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:04,720
apartment where the altitude was half as high and I could get more oxygen and it really

956
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:16,080
really did help it was a lot it was an oxygen issue and the cannabis really helped and helped

957
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,160
so many things and they did some research on that in Canada too and we could share nationally

958
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:30,760
research yeah I mean Israel too we I know uh America it's a uh it's another place that

959
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:38,320
we we have good relations with them why can't we share information like that right for sure

960
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:43,120
and let me double check in my note to make sure I didn't forget something um so some

961
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,080
of the strains that you prefer have you ever had a strain that didn't hit you right they

962
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:54,360
made you even worse like I get um I used to get a little anti if I smoked a a high limonene

963
01:01:54,360 --> 01:02:03,800
strain I find strains high in mercine are too sedating for me they don't unless I'm

964
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:11,160
planning on going to bed so I stay away from those um Alaskan thunderfuck actually I've

965
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:16,320
sampled probably nine different times and I've never had a positive experience from

966
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:22,480
it is that's one that just doesn't hit you right it gives me a bigger headache it um

967
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:30,120
makes me more fidgety it just it doesn't affect me correctly and again you can't say that

968
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:34,200
with every strain because it depends on the conditions it was grown on as we touched on

969
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,800
earlier where it was grown and how it was grown one of the big things is what pesticides

970
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:43,320
were put on it and if it was sprayed with anything if it has contaminants and that's

971
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:50,560
a good thing with the legal we too you get it tested um it just you can uh on a high

972
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:58,660
level they can use these testings to manipulate the systems in ways too they can and especially

973
01:02:58,660 --> 01:03:04,360
when you have states that are focused on high thc tax like the higher the thc the more the

974
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:11,840
tax they charge which is ludicrous I mean the medicine isn't just thc or just cvd it's

975
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:18,200
the whole synergistic effect of all the cannabinoids and all the terpenes and flavonoids and everything

976
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:23,400
working terpenes are the biggest influence like you said if you get the analysis of what

977
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:28,600
terpene profile is in the strain it really helps you more if you can understand those

978
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:33,640
so people are moving away from indica and sativa for sure indica sativa means nothing

979
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:39,400
and it just it frustrates me because that's what they all talk about that's to me just

980
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:46,360
lazy marketing um everything is pretty much a hybrid it's all cross-pollinated and to

981
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:52,960
have a true sativa or a true indica it's just how the plant is shaped its leaves are shaped

982
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:59,760
it's not necessarily about the effects it produces it's the terpenes of where it's produced

983
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:07,720
and you know for me mercine makes me tired for you maybe it helps control your pain and

984
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:14,960
it doesn't affect you in the sleepy category it's good for adhd it calms down people with

985
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:21,360
adhd right and there's a wide mixture so if you get a little mirror scene makes a little

986
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,000
beta karyophiline and then you get it mixed with something else it gives it a different

987
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:31,120
fruity flavor um the mixtures and quantities do make a big difference too here meersene

988
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:36,880
is the number one terpene i believe in in cannabis so you almost always see it in there

989
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,140
but it's the percentage so you're not really going to find a strain that doesn't have any

990
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:47,680
meersene in it there's always some in there i believe that in beta karyophiline um humaline

991
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:52,920
is usually in there with the karyophiline but that's a good narcotic one it's good for

992
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:59,720
pain also the limonene is more of an energetic one so i'm already energetic i don't really

993
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:04,000
need the energizing but other people they're completely different well my roommate loves

994
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:13,440
it and he's had probably 14 surgeries he's had the neck fusion and he's had and he he's

995
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:20,640
uh immune to opiate so he can't take opiates so in colorado do they have to put on the

996
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:26,080
labels the terpenes and minor cannabinoids or no i don't believe so but uh some of them

997
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:35,400
do like the better better companies do the medical ones do it's um like the best labeling

998
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:41,960
ever nevada i find is the very best with you know they have the three minor cannabinoids

999
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:48,800
they have the three terpenes and to me that every state should do that for their medical

1000
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:54,480
patients i just one thing i'm afraid that recreational is kind of taken out of the market

1001
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,920
here in colorado i came to colorado thinking yeah medical i'm going to go on the medical

1002
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,960
side and i'm going to find better cannabis than i will on the recreational side but it's

1003
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:08,380
the opposite by the time i came here medical was around for so long recreational is coming

1004
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:14,920
in and big interest is taking over the recreational a little bit more and the state makes more

1005
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:21,720
tax money because they get eight percent off of the medical and they get up to 25 on the

1006
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:27,040
on the recreational so do the math what do you think they want and what are they pushing

1007
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:34,120
forward yeah yeah so um equalizing the tax on that might make a difference from that

1008
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:43,640
perspective for sure for sure i mean and cannabis is so expensive in so many ways like main

1009
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:50,020
is doing it probably the best they have a very open market in main i think it's a low

1010
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:56,440
cost barrier to entry and i think that they really do care about medical patients and

1011
01:06:56,440 --> 01:07:04,040
they are doing all they can to make their program successful and not be swallowed up

1012
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:10,960
by the rec market i uh i have to go back and listen to the name but um i had uh another

1013
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:16,280
guest on here previously the last guest i had on was mike bc oh he's from an area called

1014
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:24,360
area 420 in in colorado it's the highest concentration of cannabis growers and it's a in north america

1015
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:30,600
or in the world probably but it's it's in a very unique place and um he talked to a

1016
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:39,560
lady who's putting in a bill to allow social equity growers to um or two ideas one's from

1017
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:44,680
virgin islands where they're given micro licenses for up to 50 plants to the locals and virgin

1018
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:50,440
islands because he's kind of helping coordinate their legalities as they're rolling out and

1019
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:57,280
then the other one is allowing social equity licenses here to go straight to the consumer

1020
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:02,400
and bypassing the dispensary farmers market style and i know canada or not canada but

1021
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,040
main was something like that or vermont with milk you can get straight to the farm get

1022
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:11,000
your milk without having to go to the grocery store type deal also would be a good idea

1023
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:18,360
um i want to remember her name and see what the um bill is she's putting out and then

1024
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:23,640
see if other other states can get that bill and try to see if they can copy it and get

1025
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:30,840
it in their state right right it makes sense me as a home grower i i home grow and i am

1026
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:35,400
a caregiver i i want to promote caregivership there's something else that you can do in

1027
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:41,000
uh new york if you can find somebody that can grow for you and tell them what you like

1028
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,720
and they can get that and they can always keep it there and then you just help them

1029
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:50,360
with their budgets and uh that's something that was here and they're trying to the big

1030
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:55,320
entities are trying to cut out too because that cuts into their profit right oh well

1031
01:08:55,320 --> 01:09:00,400
let's make the medical patients come by from the recreational and run them dry just like

1032
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:04,080
the pharmaceutical companies are and that's why a lot of people go to cannabis because

1033
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,680
they don't like the pharmaceutical companies the way they work now the same stuff could

1034
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:14,640
happen in cannabis if we don't watch what what they're doing like our caregiver program

1035
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:21,080
it doesn't matter if you're a medical patient or a caregiver um you can have up to two medical

1036
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:27,120
patients in a household like even if you have 10 people in your house only two can be considered

1037
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:33,040
for the home grow regs you can grow a total of 12 plants max even if you're a caregiver

1038
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:41,320
so if the guy down the street is growing his own medicine for himself and his wife needs

1039
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:45,680
medicine too they're not going to want to be a caregiver you can be a caregiver for

1040
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:50,720
up to four patients but you can't increase your plant ratio no that doesn't how does

1041
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,800
that work and then there's probably because indoor it's hard to grow unless you're very

1042
01:09:55,800 --> 01:10:01,640
experienced to grow a large quantity with that many plants you can do it outdoors easily

1043
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:07,800
but i don't know a lot of them will actually control how much you can grow and if your

1044
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:13,440
plants are too big outdoors then they'll come and get you for you got too much and they

1045
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,920
try to regulate it too so um well new york state is cool because you can have three ounces

1046
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:26,080
on your person and you can have up to five pounds at home so that's very generous that's

1047
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:33,080
not too bad generous of states that i know of um also but you're not going that's hard

1048
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:37,160
to grow that many pounds on that many plants oh yeah how you're going to have to source

1049
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:42,720
it illegally somehow worse off somebody else right numbers just don't make sense no they

1050
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,920
don't but it's because so many arrests happened in new york to especially the black and brown

1051
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:57,120
communities um and simple possession charges you know they'd go to jail for a joint you

1052
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:02,780
know the search and frisk era under bloomberg was a disaster did you ever have any uh scares

1053
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:07,280
trying to cross the border to canada because i know if you uh were ever arrested for a

1054
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:11,400
joint or even arrested for a dui in the united states and the canadian border patrol knew

1055
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:17,760
it they wouldn't allow you to enter and vice versa correct so uh i did have one incident

1056
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:26,720
going into canada i had medicated probably two hours before i crossed into canada and

1057
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:32,960
they smelled it in my car i got pulled over for secondary inspection and i knew i would

1058
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:39,000
not i mean why would i go to canada with pot like because i couldn't bring cannabis home

1059
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,120
with me but why would i go there it would be like taking my own sandwich to a buffet

1060
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:52,800
it made no sense um so the dog comes along and i'd never really dealt with drug dogs

1061
01:11:52,800 --> 01:12:00,080
and uh he's smelling me smelling around the outside of my car he's smelling inside the

1062
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,940
car and when the dogs wagging his tail that's great as soon as that son of a bitch sits

1063
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:12,600
down and stops wagon is in trouble you're screwed so that dog stopped wagging his tail

1064
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:19,640
on my driver's seat and i'm like but i didn't know you know i was like there's no way there's

1065
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:26,240
any weed in my car i smoked it and i threw it out like you know there's no residue yeah

1066
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:33,680
no what it was was a joint that had come from canada it was they call them tunie joints

1067
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:39,440
two dollar joints oh yeah like less than half a gram of cannabis less than half a gram of

1068
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:45,880
cannabis in it and that joint had been run over my seat by my seat like 10 times i mean

1069
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:53,680
it was completely unsmokable completely unusable but yet for seven years i have to go through

1070
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:59,880
secondary inspection every time i crossed the border the ptsd and the stress that is

1071
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,880
involved in that is absolute flipping hell i got pulled over secondary i used to have

1072
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:09,920
to drive through buffalo to get to quebec i lived in north of montreal and st. adele

1073
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:15,680
a small little town it was uh i got pulled over because i have a daughter and it's an

1074
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,120
international thing she had a spanish passport i got an america passport we're going to

1075
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:24,520
canada and whenever a child's involved they always do secondary things just to make sure

1076
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:29,720
everybody's they separate us ask us questions everything coordinated we left and but another

1077
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:35,720
time we were coming back i had a dog and and i had to make sure i had all the dog papers

1078
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:41,960
for the dog make sure the dog i didn't have any weed on me but uh it's very easy like

1079
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:47,520
you said to misplace something and uh i accidentally flew to spain with a with an eighth of weed

1080
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:53,360
in my pocket here i didn't know it was there and uh yeah it's very easy so that's something

1081
01:13:53,360 --> 01:14:01,600
you got to very be very careful with yes yes it was a horrible ptsd provoking experience

1082
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:08,680
and i've had two other encounters that were just horrible um besides that original dog

1083
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:13,360
incident where i had to surrender my phone they went through my whole phone they went

1084
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:21,840
through my text messages my browser history and i felt so criminal like i felt so i'm

1085
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:26,800
like i'm a medical patient i feel like i'm being discriminated against and then that

1086
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:32,080
was not the right thing to say to this particular officer she like went off on me you want my

1087
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,280
supervisor's name you want to report me you're not being discriminated against you tried

1088
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:44,200
to smuggle cannabis into i'm like it came from your country it didn't even make sense

1089
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:53,240
and i mean was it wrong yes 100 i'm not suggesting what i did was correct but it's just struggles

1090
01:14:53,240 --> 01:15:00,440
you go through being a cannabis consumer yeah or medicine yeah i've had to go through it

1091
01:15:00,440 --> 01:15:08,760
my whole life um and uh yeah like um going through the um caregivership like i said you

1092
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:15,600
can keep the genetics you want um it needs to be expanded somehow uh here's pretty good

1093
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:21,720
i can have 24 plants my roommate can have 24 plants but it depends on the municipality

1094
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,720
where you can grow so if you listen to the last podcast it's all about getting to your

1095
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:33,400
local politics i know you uh used to be a political advocate when you first started

1096
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:38,280
and it probably was draining because you're not making any treadway and you don't have

1097
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:44,760
millions of dollars to throw in their pocket to to make them open their ears up um but

1098
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:50,160
local politics uh running for local politics the town council is on a small level you can

1099
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:59,280
have a town ordinance that the local sheriff can back up and on a county level and uh that's

1100
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:05,800
that's the way to go we start small and get into local politics change the local politics

1101
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:10,920
i know in west virginia they have the medical and they say that each county can't change

1102
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:18,480
the law in each town like that so that's the first law they need to change theirs so in

1103
01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:26,840
spurt in certain towns if they want it they can change it and locals can can uh thrive

1104
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:31,800
off of it or make a living off of it or support the local economy go straight to the market

1105
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:40,520
bypass the dispensary um the social equity is a big thing too um i heard you mentioning

1106
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:47,320
on one legacy you know what a legacy grower is and uh they know their stuff and they can

1107
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:53,080
already be 100 steps ahead of some of these companies with big money coming in hey we're

1108
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:57,560
gonna grow we uh we can make money off of it you got to multi-tier it you got thousands

1109
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:01,440
of plants and then the quality goes down on that that's when you get your molds in here

1110
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:09,720
there's um something here i just got a message from a friend it says that uh one of the main

1111
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:21,240
very uh popular companies here got a mold a health and safety advisory for veritas fine

1112
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:27,160
cannabis they had three different batches or more that were contaminated with molds

1113
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:36,800
that's scary yep and there is medical patients especially if you have lung a lung condition

1114
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:46,000
i mean have smoked mold is not cool no i think that um smoking bad weed as a as a kid as

1115
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:52,760
a teenager in my 20s really hurt my lungs is i had uh actually was in colorado when

1116
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:56,880
it legalized i went back east and then i had to get some illegally there and they were

1117
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:01,800
like yeah source from colorado it's great i got it and it burned my lungs and i got

1118
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:08,800
i got bronchitis again so smoking bad we can trigger bronchitis but smoking good weed can

1119
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:15,240
help heal it yes if in low dosages vaping is a good way you like to vape right if some

1120
01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:23,680
people can't smoke i really am not a vapor i only do it i do it only as a necessity when

1121
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:32,400
i'm out in public um it really doesn't help the way smoking a joint does um i find it

1122
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:38,160
exits my system just as fast as it comes in with a vape and i don't understand necessarily

1123
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:44,200
why or the bioavailability it's in theory it shouldn't be any different but i know lots

1124
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:49,760
of people that say even dry herb vaporizers don't get them the same level of medication

1125
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:55,760
that doesn't mean either i know a really good live rosin cartridge if you get a really good

1126
01:18:55,760 --> 01:19:00,800
live rosin cartridge and when you inhale and exhale it tastes like cannabis like it tastes

1127
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:08,680
like whole plant medicine those do help especially but then they're not discrete the whole reason

1128
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,320
that you want to try to use it is discrete but when you exhale it smells just like cannabis

1129
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:17,080
oh man i could just smoke the joint or the pole it would do the same thing all right

1130
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:26,200
um nicky and the plant's whole mission is to educate and empower other patients and

1131
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:34,240
so what i'm trying to do is really create a a road show if you will of education and

1132
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:39,520
hands-on learning with you know talking about the terpenes talking about the flavonoids

1133
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:44,600
talking about the minor cannabinoids and the health benefits and helping people feel less

1134
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:51,160
scared about consumption and that's really what i preach whether it's to doctors to

1135
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:57,560
nurses to you know the everyday grandma down the street you know we need to normalize the

1136
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:04,920
conversation and that's really what i find empowering about my whole brain injury i feel

1137
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:11,160
like i went through it all to help someone else get through their journey because if

1138
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:17,680
i hadn't been hurt i never would have understood this plant i never would have understood this

1139
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:24,760
amazing community that i had no idea even existed and the plant has empowered me the

1140
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:31,600
plant has given me hope when i had none so i was um i think since i've been 18 i always

1141
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bring it up in conversations and that's what i've been smoking for 30 years now so for

1142
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:42,240
20 some 30 plus years you get into a conversation and you start talking about weed and people

1143
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:50,180
don't want to hear it now people are asking oh well their ears are opening up because

1144
01:20:50,180 --> 01:20:54,520
of these stories and it's becoming a little especially after covid i think covid gave

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01:20:54,520 --> 01:21:01,120
people time enough out of their hectic lives and craziness to sit down and to really think

1146
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:07,400
and look back at what is happening and what they're putting in their bodies and what they

1147
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:13,840
have access to and are they going to eat more food is alcohol helping them and a lot of

1148
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,660
a lot more people tried cannabis for their first time and had good experiences right

1149
01:21:18,660 --> 01:21:24,960
and they didn't know because prior to that no one wanted the stigma you know cannabis

1150
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:31,440
was use was deemed essential like dispensaries were deemed essential required to be open

1151
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:38,760
uh in new york state and that was a big deal here in canton colorado too i'm part of the

1152
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:46,160
courage and cannabis uh book which is an anthology of stories about people's lives that have

1153
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:52,760
been changed with cannabis and volume one is already out and i'm part of volume two and

1154
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:57,920
i'll be sharing my story in that to try and empower other people and try and help them

1155
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:05,040
be their own advocate and how to talk about cannabis in a way that isn't scary and really

1156
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:10,880
break it down in a simplistic way and that's what my whole mission is is to educate and

1157
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:18,000
empower yeah i know going back to home and uh talking to people and even as being a friend

1158
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:25,320
of mine have a bad experience um one of the big issues is even a religious issue too some

1159
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:30,120
of them think that they're going to be bad christians if they if they try cannabis that's

1160
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:38,440
how embedded it is into their brain that it's a demonized thing you know no simply smoking

1161
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:46,160
a cigarette and alcohol but oh man god's gonna think bad of me or or their parents or their

1162
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:51,920
grandparents or somebody like they really respect is gonna come across them and they're

1163
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:55,880
high they're gonna freak out oh he knows i'm high they know i'm high what are they gonna

1164
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:02,640
think of me they're gonna think less of me and it's it's really a big big big issue it

1165
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:08,000
really is and so we have to talk about it that's why i do these podcasts that's why

1166
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:14,280
i share my story on so many platforms you know maybe i can't change the world for everyone

1167
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:19,800
but i might be able to change the world for one person and if i do you do topics do you

1168
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:30,200
do topicals um not really no no do you have an issue with those um with the uh absorption

1169
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:38,120
i'm sorry no um topicals are very much a surface absorption transdermals will get in the bloodstream

1170
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:43,560
but again finding the right products and quite honestly i've found them very expensive for

1171
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:48,440
the benefit that they give me um i'm not saying that's a bad choice for others because there's

1172
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:56,000
a reason they exist you know they help people so you know having rapid onset dosing for

1173
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:02,320
me is what is key and when i find the right products i just want to gobble them up you

1174
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:08,400
know i go to california and i found so many great products and i want to come back to

1175
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:14,800
colorado quite honestly as soon as possible because you guys have it really going on um

1176
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:22,360
i have some friends that are creating a consumption lounge called the the serious social club serious

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01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:29,840
social club c i r r u s social club this guy is like cool as hell and like really trying

1178
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,800
to do it right and i went to this exclusive event in las vegas for mj bizcon and i was

1179
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:41,320
part of his brunch and i mean he's really doing it right you know really great guy guy's

1180
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:47,600
name's erin richard so if you're not friends with him check him out because he's really

1181
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:53,640
doing stuff right and if you do come to denver come and uh give me a little heads up and

1182
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:59,000
we can meet up and i'll take you to another private consumption lounge where they have

1183
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:06,280
the cannabis cup and a real a lot of really nice people we just had a a bong-a-thon event

1184
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:12,520
slash def-a-thon there's a large uh deaf community here that consumes and they're a part of that

1185
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:19,800
too and really for them that last uh last week and that's cool yeah it's a really cool

1186
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:25,960
community um so you're more than welcome to come visit us and if you're in town that'd

1187
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:31,240
be awesome and uh i'd like what you were saying earlier there before i cut you off if you

1188
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:38,040
could save one person or help one person and i cut you off i'm sorry it's okay if i can

1189
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:42,440
i can't save the world but if i can save the world for one person then i've done a good

1190
01:25:42,440 --> 01:25:48,440
job today and that's what i'm all about is just trying to empower other people because

1191
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:54,560
people don't know what they don't know as a nurse i didn't know and so if i can educate

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01:25:54,560 --> 01:26:01,880
other providers and other health care providers to listen to their patient or spend a few

1193
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:08,200
minutes with them understanding how they're using cannabis with intention it might just

1194
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:12,800
completely change their relationship with their physician and everybody's afraid to

1195
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:19,320
tell their doctor and there are drug to drug interactions that cannabis is not recommended

1196
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:24,800
for you know if you're on blood thinners you should not be having too much cbd there's

1197
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:31,720
definite contraindications and can cbd increase or um work as a blood thinner i believe right

1198
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:38,760
and if you take two of them together facts of the blood thinner medicine so um it's actually

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01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:43,720
like um oh shoot what's um sometimes i could help with swelling and just keep the blood

1200
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:51,840
from flowing and stopping in one one area right right uh there's just a lot to the plant

1201
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:58,960
and we need to empower others to learn about it and do so in a way with credible real facts

1202
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:05,320
and information not just what we think or what we feel but actually you know there's

1203
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:10,880
a book out there it's called the medical cannabis primer one of the my favorite books ever is

1204
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:18,000
by dr ruth fisher and it's broken out in such an amazing way it talks about you know it's

1205
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:23,640
got pictures and teaches you about all the different components of the plant this book

1206
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:31,040
was the first book i was able to read since my brain injury and so it really helped connect

1207
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:37,520
those dots for the cannabis and why it was working for my brain injury um and then journaling

1208
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:43,200
that experience and understanding what works and why you know there's lots of digital apps

1209
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:49,240
out there but honestly log that stuff on with a pad and paper you know and try and learn

1210
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:54,640
as much as you can about what the components are in that plant and then document what you're

1211
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:59,720
treating and why so knowing what symptoms you're treating not just that i have a brain

1212
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:05,920
injury but the cognitive function the anxiety depression the chronic pain those are the

1213
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:10,720
three things i'm treating so when you're using with intention it's a lot easier to determine

1214
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,920
what works and why yeah and i like the idea of keeping the journal i don't know if you've

1215
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:23,400
ever heard of the girls over at smoke and science and my bphd riley and uh and they

1216
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:29,440
have a little crew and they are phds one's a neuroscientist and she explains how cbd

1217
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:36,320
affects your brain and other ones a plant scientist and uh she talks about making tentures

1218
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,360
and topicals and all this stuff but they they talk about keeping a log of what helps them

1219
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:45,640
what does in their dosage and uh they also talk about psilocybin and mushrooms too which

1220
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:51,560
are legal where they're at and legal here and i know for a fact that small microdoses

1221
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:58,320
i don't like to take enough to feel the effects of the mushrooms but on small microdoses they

1222
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:07,840
really do help anxiety alcoholism uh people with ptsd and yeah i mean amazing research

1223
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,600
being done with tbi and psychedelics yep and um unfortunately for me i'm allergic to any

1224
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:21,840
kind of fungi so it makes me not a candidate for psychedelics other than like mdma or something

1225
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:28,680
like that but i'd love to be enrolled in a trial to see if you know mdma potentially

1226
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:35,460
could help me yeah and they have mdma there's mda i've just enlightened on a couple of different

1227
01:29:35,460 --> 01:29:42,960
ones here in colorado there's a big long list of um things included in the psychedelic bill

1228
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:52,400
that they passed okay and uh colorado progressive and uh it's a good thing it's um showing i

1229
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:58,600
think a lot more states could learn from our system it's not perfect here but it could

1230
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:07,200
be learned from and avoid what hasn't worked and focus on what has worked and evolved from

1231
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:14,720
that absolutely and again there's so much stigma surrounding it we just have to normalize

1232
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:21,320
that conversation yeah especially with doctors um my my biggest feat was changing my little

1233
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:26,320
sister's mind she's a pediatrician she's three years younger than me and she went to med

1234
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:33,720
school and this and that that and um she has finally come up come open to it in the last

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01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:39,160
10 years after 30 or 20 years before that of telling her hey it's medicinal it's medicinal

1236
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:45,680
now it's not now it's not getting high and she's tried cvd for her pain and sleep and

1237
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:51,240
it does work for her and now she's like you need to go to colorado learn as much as you

1238
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:56,760
can and uh this is one reason i've started the podcast just to educate and help other

1239
01:30:56,760 --> 01:31:03,200
people share their stories like yourself and uh say one person at a time one person at

1240
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:08,640
a time i really appreciate your time today and for having me as a guest and if anyone

1241
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:15,200
wants to learn more and you can reach me at nickyandtheplant.org or follow me on any social

1242
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:22,440
media platform uh nickyandtheplant spelled out or nicky lolly awesome i highly thank

1243
01:31:22,440 --> 01:31:28,600
you for coming on the show and sharing your story i do have seeds available on my website

1244
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:34,160
that uh can be specific to a lot of these terpene profiles that your you have talked

1245
01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:39,600
about and we spoke about and i one of my goals is just to get them out there cheaply to people

1246
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:44,540
who want to experiment and growing and uh become caregivers wherever it's legal to grow

1247
01:31:44,540 --> 01:31:51,600
your own so if you know anybody uh need any help questions uh on cultivating them also

1248
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:57,380
that's what i'm trying to do specialize in as little farmer and so a little farmer.com

1249
01:31:57,380 --> 01:32:02,640
you can check out some seeds send anybody over if they need any help or any consultation

1250
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:08,040
send them my way and you have a great day thank you for taking the time out of your

1251
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:16,000
long and busy day to to spread the word thank you thank you thanks for tuning in everyone

1252
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:23,520
and enjoy your beautiful day and we'll be back next week enjoy peace coming april 1st

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01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:30,080
and 2nd little farmer will be down at the slv seed exchange that's the san luis valley

1254
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:37,360
seed exchange that will be held at the joyful journey hot springs down near moffitt colorado

1255
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:42,360
there's going to be a lot of seed dealers down there a lot of vegetables herbs flowers

1256
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:46,540
anything you can think of but the main thing is going to be the knowledge spread by all

1257
01:32:46,540 --> 01:32:52,560
the people that are attending so if you haven't seen it heard about it you can inquire let

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01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:56,840
me know i'll give you more information if you're following me on instagram you'll find

1259
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:04,440
it i'll have all the seeds that are available on my website little farmer.com and some freebies

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01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:29,040
so every purchase is going to get freebies with tester seeds hope to see you there.