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with the lovely Kirk Kirkland. So welcome back to the show everyone. I'm here with Kirk

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Kirkland of Nuve. She's been highly recommended from two of my best friends here in Denver.

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That is, oh shoot, I forgot their name, Dan and Kendall. Both of them recommended I reach

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out to her and talk to her. She had worked in education and we both have worked or looked

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around and how we can fit and find our little niches into the cannabis community and found

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out that owning a dispensary was not the one for us. And then we looked into other avenues

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and found out that education was where we wanted to go and to educate people on the

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uses of cannabis, how they can use it, especially new users into the cannabis realm. And unlike

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most of the people I've interviewed already, Kirk here, she is new to cannabis with five

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years experience or so I think. Most of the people I've interviewed started younger than

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that, but not all of them. And first question I have for you, Kirk, what actually got you

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into consuming cannabis when you started consuming cannabis?

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Sure, sure, sure. So full transparency, like I tried weed for the first time at 18. So

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being away for college, yada yada yada, boo off the bam. But it didn't, it didn't do anything

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for me. Back then it was just kind of like, oh, this is a social activity. But a lot of

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my friends who got high all the time also didn't graduate. So I was just kind of like,

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focused on other things at that time. And then, you know, moving from there kind of

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went into my career. And I didn't start to revisit, you know, consuming cannabis until

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I actually became a special education teacher. And for me, it was a lot around managing my

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stress levels and being able to decompress from the job after dealing with teenagers

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all day. So my first foray into flower was really looking at something I could like hit

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before I got into work and then hit right when I got into the car on my way home. So

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really I bought a lot of shorts when I first started.

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Vape pens probably those are the easiest to conceal.

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But they actually started giving me a headache. So I actually just kept with the shorts. And

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over time, I just prefer flower over everything.

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Same here. Most consumers do.

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Yeah, and like concentrates and things like that. My body can't handle. I have a few funny

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stories. But for me, it was really around de-stressing. But then when the pandemic hit,

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it became more of a both a decompression as well as a way to kind of like make sure my

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mental health was decent or even killed just with all of the stressors with the school.

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The kids didn't stress me out. But I was definitely in a space where I was kind of over-medicating

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because it's like I'm at home, can't go anywhere. The kids don't show up to school. The administrators

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are asking us to do things. And it's like, well, if I don't have students, what are we

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trying to do here? And the mental gymnastics just kind of took me out. And I would rather

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just be zoned out than having to deal with all of that stuff.

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Yeah. So I taught in public schools for five years. I was two and a half years as a full-time

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substitute. And then I was a substitute from kindergarten to 12th grade and maybe a whole

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county. There was 20 different schools I would go to. So I got to see a lot of different

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students. And I know the students sometimes could be a pain, but it is the hierarchy above

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you and the regulations and all the BS you got to go through goes down and resonates

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through the kids too. And then they're uneasy. So it's a whole, it's harder on the teachers

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from that aspect than it is dealing with the kids. I understand.

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Most definitely. Honestly, it was the kids that brought me joy. And I found it kind of

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funny because my students did come to school high and there were times I had to spray them

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down like, hey, we can't smell like this in class. Because I worked for a charter school.

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And so a part of our like the merit system, students would be penalized for coming in

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smelling like cannabis. That being said, when students would be like, hey, Ms. Kirkland,

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have you ever smoked weed? And I'm just looking like, yes, in my head and my internal monologue.

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But it's just like, you know, there was a time, why do you smell like weed every day?

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And kind of redirected back to the student. But I always found so much entertainment that

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they didn't think I was a consumer, but the entire time I was just like them.

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Yeah, I could tell a couple of the kids that came in were pretty blitzed. I never really

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said anything to them. Some of the kids knew that I smoked. I had a couple of kids ask

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when I was teaching, have you ever smoked? And I just said, I went to college and not

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left it at that. And they laughed. So, yeah, it's, it's a big thing. A lot of the kids

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or a lot of the people that I've interviewed in the cannabis community started at a young

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age as myself, 16 or 17. It wasn't on a daily basis like now, but it really helped with

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ADHD. And I remember the first time that I smoked a good indica or a relaxing herb and

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it just, my brain slowed down and I was like, wow, is this the way that other people think?

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Because until then, my brain was going a hundred miles per hour and it was basically reaction.

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I never really thought decisions over. It was just a really quick response, spontaneous

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reaction. And after smoking, it was like, whoa, all right, let me stop and think. I

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have other options here and it slowed me down. So, uh, and it helped me to focus and make

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connections when I'm learning in college too. For sure. And I saw that really like around

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a lot of my seniors, um, especially in that transitionary period, um, kind of going from

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high school to college. And I remember asking them in a class, like, why do you, why do

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you always consume like right before class? And I'm like, you know what, the way our system

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worked at that school, to your point, they felt that they could be more present in the

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classroom when they had, you know, smoked beforehand. And I was like, huh, that makes

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so much sense because by the time I see you in the afternoon, you're kind of like all

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over the place. That's the way I am. Yeah. It was just like, okay. I think it helps to

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keep right in the moment instead of thinking about what you're going to do after class

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or what happened before class. You're more in the moment and you're attentive and relaxed.

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At least I was. Yes. Um, and then, you know, sometimes after bathroom trips, you know,

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they would be like getting a little antsy right before and then they'd be like, Mr,

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can I go use the restroom and be like, yeah, sure. Go ahead. Next time they come back,

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you know, just even killed. And I'm like squinting and it's like, I know what you know that I

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know, but you know, as long as the work gets done.

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So it's different in Chicago, right? You're in Chicago, correct? It just legalized correctly

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or recreational also in Illinois. Okay. Back in 2020, it was official, official. So in

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a big city, it's usually a little bit different than it is in the country. I'm from the country

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and it was kind of hard to find her. It's a pretty easy to find her in the city there

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before legalization. Oh yeah. Um, the kids won't have a problem finding it. So no, not

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at all. I actually worked in the Belmont, Craig and neighborhood and it's an economically

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disenfranchised area, predominantly black and brown, um, not super high crime, but it's

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a familiar territory in those spaces. And so for a lot of my students, you know, living

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in those communities, um, cannabis was their means of mental health, um, means of their

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own therapy, many of which they cannot afford it, um, to be able to kind of cope with all

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of those different challenges of living and going to school in those communities. Um,

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that being said, you know, they were my most resilient students. Um, and some of those

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that were actually like the daily smokers, cause I actually didn't have some daily smokers,

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you know, ended up graduating, going to you by Illinois state and things like that. So

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it, it's not as bleak as administrators paint the picture. Um, and then for parents, if

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they're willing and open to having the conversation, you know, their children will actually talk

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to them about it because what I'm finding is that a lot of these students aren't consuming

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cannabis because it's cool or peer pressure or anything like that. They're consuming it

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for its medicinal properties in order to be able to sustain and be effective students,

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um, given all of these different conditions, PTSD, all of that. Um, that being said, you

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know, as we evolve the industry, I definitely want to have more conversations around where

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the intersections lie between, you know, mental health support, um, with the consumption of

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cannabis because it does to an extent, you know, affect brain development. Um, but furthermore,

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you know, speaks to the system and all the shit the system doesn't have and how we need

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to be better stewards of our children to ensure that, you know, they're going to make it out

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here because we're all getting a little rough.

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So I got to go back to the very first thing you said here. You had some friends that consumed

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when you were younger and they didn't graduate. If they would have had the same teacher like

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you that was accepting it, but not turning them in. So they got demerits and would you

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think they could have graduated and going on to college too? Or was it the system that

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they had to hide from that caused them to drop out?

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You know, it's a very multi-layered issue. Um, however, in my experience, giving students,

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especially like our high schoolers, those that are about to like go out into this world,

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you know, the autonomy to just be people has, at least in my opinion, he has supported them

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in making those next steps towards college. You know, if it's trade, what have you, they

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felt more supported in staying within school to make those, those next steps. Um, that

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being said, even schools themselves are part of the system and actually probably cause

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issues that the students are smoking about anyway, if I'm being completely honest, um,

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because even as a teacher, it, it got to a certain point where I was negotiating how

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much am I going to stress these kids out, especially when it came to testing and things

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like that. And so yes, have conversations with the students, but then we need to have

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the conversations with the ministers. Not that we haven't been, cause I feel teachers

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have been on that, on that soapbox for decades. You know, it's not the kids fault, but we

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place a lot of that blame on them. So I would like to see more work around even at the teacher

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level, you know, becoming more aware around why students are turning to cannabis as part

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of their wellness routine at such an early age. Um, what factors, um, as a teacher, are

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you contributing to their consumption and things like that? Because again, it's a multi-layered

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issue and I think everybody has some accountability to that. Um, what I think I would like to

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see moving forward is what we do at an individual level, like really just hold the mirror up

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to ourselves to see how we can like unlearn a lot of the bullshit propaganda that the

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war on the war on drugs propagated. But yeah, I have hope if people are curious enough about

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cannabis and curious, you know, enough about understanding cannabis from a wellness point

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of view, not just getting high. So one of the biggest things here or nationally, whenever

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it comes to legalization of cannabis, you always hear where the kids are going to get

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access to it. They're going to have more chance of becoming addicted as kids. And you know,

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it's always the children consumption or underage consumption is going to rise. But here in

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Colorado, after so many years of legalization, they've done studies that showed that underage

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consumption has not risen up. And I think it is basically, like you said, people that

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have maybe issues that it helps them to cope with. And the other ones that don't have these

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issues, they're not going to seek it out. But as a kid, I know five or six of my best

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friends, I was labeled a troubled kid at a young age. So a lot of parents didn't want

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their kids to hang out with me when I was in junior high or high school. So I ended

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up hanging out with a lot of kids that were in worse trouble than me or worse than me.

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And a lot of them smoked herb, but they didn't really have much access to it. So alcohol

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was something they relied on. Or even I would I grew up with some of my best friends were

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smoking crack cocaine in a bit in junior high and high school. Now, I would rather see kids

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have access to some herb than crack cocaine and alcohol at an age to deal with some of

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these issues. And I think the fact that it was illegal, and some of my friends got in

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trouble and locked up for it, kept them from graduating, which they could have graduated

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and they were smarter than 90% of the kids in this in the school. So that fact that the

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underage usage is going to rise is pretty, pretty much nullified now. And it's my thought

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that people that have uneasiness at anxiety ADHD at the age of 16, 17 can benefit from

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consumption. Excuse me. But I'm not saying they all need to go out and smoke. For sure.

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There's other ways of consuming. There can be edibles. And I'm not saying THC, it could

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be CBD dominant, you know, maybe a five to one CBD dominant. Give them on a regimen and

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the kids that are uneasy, they would be willing to take something like that. And to sit down

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and like you said, talk to them like they're human beings like they're adults. I'm from

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a country ghetto. It's pretty, pretty bad. There's not a lot of money around a lot of

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broken homes. A lot of kids in the system. So there's a lot of factors like you said

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that go into what these kids need and what is causing their anxieties. For sure. And

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education is so, so important around that because I can guarantee you if a kid knew

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about CBD, they might be like, all right, let me do the CBD as opposed to the THC. But

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because you know, the THC variety, the street weed is more available, you know, that is

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going to be the go to. Additionally, you know, they're starting to put like put shit either

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intentionally or unintentionally in a lot of the street products these days. And so

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to an extent, we, anybody not not just the teens, but anybody should be consuming products

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that are good for us and won't get us OD'd and things like that because cannabis does

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not cause an overdose. But other things, LACE among it will. And if the students don't know

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about what else is out there, my concern is now safety, harm reduction, because I can

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guarantee you students aren't really kind of scoping out, you know, what goes in my

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weed like that. You know, they're just passing around a pen, passing around whatever, you

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know, in between bathroom breaks during lunchtime. And so I look at this from like a holistic

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perspective in that, yes, let's teach them about CBD, let's teach them about dosage and

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things like that. But then also, let's talk about what your your behaviors are now and

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how we can be more conscious about what we're consuming, if that's what we're going to do.

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Because one thing I'm just like, look, I'm not going to debate you as to whether or not

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you should be smoking weed at your age. I think that's a stupid debate. And I think

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that's what a lot of parents kind of get into, like you shouldn't be smoking. Because kids

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are going to figure out how to do whatever. So I've learned. But that being said, you

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know, teaching them how to make informed decisions is where I think a lot of the work needs to

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go. That way, we're not kind of pigeon holding these notions that you know, the kids are

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just getting high to be getting high. Because nine times out of 10 from the students I asked,

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that was never the case, they weren't getting high just to be getting high, they were getting

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high to manage their PTSD, to focus during class. Some did, you know, the one did get

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high to get high. To be able to be present in certain situations where students were

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moving about because they had social anxiety, like these were real issues that students

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told me because I asked. And I wonder, you know, how many people actually just asked

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the kid, you know, most of the time it's just like, I caught you smoking. And you find,

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you know, when you just take a moment to ask, it's like, huh, I can't even really fault

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you for smoking. It's just like, that makes total sense. But we just got to have a more

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conscious understanding. And as well as other tools we can use so that we're not like over

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consuming and over medicating. Because I did see some of that as well.

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Yeah, there's got to be more education on how to consume on a proper level for these

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reasons that we are discussing. And it's not an easy answer. And cannabis affects everybody

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differently. So trying to give kids a dosage that's the same all the time for every kid

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just doesn't work. And I don't know about you, but I worked in the public schools. And

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I worked in the grade school, even middle school, you would have a list of the students,

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you got to have a list as a teacher of what medication the kids are taking. And from my

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perspective, it was like 50% of the students were on some kind of medication. And you think

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about that 50% of the students on medication, need medication, the other 50% have to deal

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with them every day. They're side by side every day, that anxiety passes from one person

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to the next, even if it's not. If they're not under the same situations, when I'm uneasy,

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your kid and my daughter would feel it, she would get uneasy, you know, like people sense

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this and it passes through the whole school. Once you get to high school, those numbers

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started to drop because I don't think some of those kids actually made it to high school,

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they either dropped out or had other issues and just never made it to high school, which

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is a big problem. Like I said, I'm not telling ever thinking all these kids should be out

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there smoking, but even on a preschool level, some of these kids could use this medication.

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And mostly CBD, there's other cannabinoids coming out like CBG that could be helpful

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also. But I think the whole argument of more access to children is going to raise the underage

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consumption level. It's BS and kids that actually have these disorders or anxieties are going

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to seek it out no matter what. And if they don't have access, they're going to seek out

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something else, which that right there is actually could turn cannabis into a gateway

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because if they know cannabis is there and it helps them and they can't have access to

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it and they got to hide it, they're going to have easier access to alcohol or other

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drugs, pills, which there's lots of lots and lots of pills. I'm from West Virginia. It

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is the probably the opium capital of the world with overdoses and consumption levels and

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pills are off the chart. And that is one of the big reasons there are so many broken homes

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and children in the system is because of the pills. And a lot of that could have been avoided

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if they were smoking cannabis, their parents were consuming cannabis. For sure. And a lot

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of that goes into drug testing and they have to hide it. They can't smoke cannabis because

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of drug testing and then they'll use opiates or pills, which get out of their system in

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two days. And that's they get addicted to pills.

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Yeah, I really think parents are the key here in this conversation because like the challenges,

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all the research is geared towards villainizing herb and whatever I forget is executive order

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Biden's executive order that came out last year, you know, to do this research. The research

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isn't getting here fast enough to disprove or provide, you know, additional nuance to

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the studies that are out there right now. So at least in my experience, you know, talking

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with parents, you know, not having that sticky data has been kind of the challenge with trying

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to kind of help them unlearn around what actually happened during that era and what the industry

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is now and what people are doing to not only just educate people, but ensure that people

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are correctly informed. Like there's just a lot of misinformation going on. And for me,

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like when kind of working with parents around that misinformation, what I found helpful

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has really just been looking at their own experience, kind of juxtapose for what they

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want for their children and giving them a moment to kind of like unpack how we got here.

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Because most of the parents are just flat out in denial like my child could never. And

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it's just like, oh, really? I beg to differ because they do. And so even with my own business

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at Nuve and Canna Learn, like parents hold a special place in my heart because I know

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they want what's best for their children and they want to keep them safe. But sometimes

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a lot of their fear kind of overrides their ability to unpack all of the things that are

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contributing to their child wanting to consume in the first place. So I believe it starts

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with the parents. I hope the research comes out sometimes eventually, but in the mean

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and between time, you know, I think it's up to those of us who have been educators, those

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who have had both foot in the classroom as well as, you know, conscious consumers ourselves

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to be able to facilitate these conversations so that we can let parents know what is available

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so that they can make the best decisions for their kids.

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Yeah, I find that a big topic, especially being where I'm from. A lot of my friends

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have been prescribed medication and they've gone and I've talked to their children because

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I had their children in the class and we would talk about their parents medication and the

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medication they are being prescribed or offered and how it makes them feel. And I have smoked

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with the parents. I have never smoked with the kids, but the kids have told me when they

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consume that they feel much more in control and not as sedated and not as on edge is the

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word I'm thinking of. And education is going to be key. So you started up Nouve, correct?

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Yes. Could you explain to me and to the listeners here what Nouve is and where you're going

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with Nouve?

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Sure. So Nouve is a digital media platform that provides cannabis content and education

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using immersive tech. And our focus is actually on bringing the conversation beyond consumption

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to help normalize cannabis across the nation. And so for us, because we realize that there

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is a lot of information out there around the science, physical components of cannabis in

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terms of like cannabinoids and all of that nomenclature, if you will. I wanted to speak

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more about the intersections of cannabis and what that means for society and how we need

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to kind of change not only our outlook, but our approach and how we are bringing this

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plant and industry as a whole into our lives. Because the reality is like, it's going to

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be legalized. It's just a matter of when. And so in the time that we get to federal

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legalization, we should be having conversations about what it means to talk to children about

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consuming cannabis products. What does it mean to travel internationally with cannabis?

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And you are a regular consumer or someone that uses everyday pretty much.

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Habitual user.

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Yes, habitual. There was the word. Thank you. Where's the conversations around cannabis

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and spirituality? And I know these things are going on, but they're in like very little

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pockets here and there. And so the idea is we put it out there. We'll catch in some other

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people that are like minded, like you little farmer and like, Hey, let's share stories

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with one another so that we can add to the different perspectives around the plant.

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Yeah, that's why I started the podcast. So people in the industry can tell their story

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why they like it, how it helps them. And then other listeners new to cannabis can listen

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and like, Hey, yeah, I kind of felt the same way. Maybe that'll help me and give it a shot

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or just know how to ease into it and not jump into it and eat a hundred milligram edible

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and feel bad. I'll never do it again. And just let them know you don't have to keep

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up. It's not like a drinking game where you got to drink with everybody. You take one

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puff, I'll take three and we feel the same. We're good. And I'm not going to judge you

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if you can't consume as much as me. It's the adults that have the pressure, not the kids.

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I think that we both, uh, I did, I worked in the industry and I noticed that medical

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is kind of getting lost and they're not as much education. And with these recreational

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companies, especially the big ones, it's all numbers. They don't care about what the consumers

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getting it's long as they're making their money. It's, it comes down to a money thing

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when it comes to rec. So a lot of the education getting lost, the bud tenders here aren't

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educated. I don't know about other States. I know some States, especially where it's

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only medical that they got to be educated on certain aspects, but here it's hard for

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the dispensaries to actually keep bud tenders because a lot of people come in and think

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they're just going to get high all day and sell weed. And it's, it's pretty stressful

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being behind the counter and you got people coming in, telling your life stories. Like

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you're a, I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not a doctor, but people will come in and tell

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you their stories, how, and I've tried my best for three years to give them what I think

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would help them from what's, what's available. But, uh, nine times out of 10, that's not

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what you're going to find out or dispensary. So I agree. This needs to be a subject talked

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about even in schools. I have the parents come in sometime even, uh, I would definitely

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do a PTA meeting. And, uh, yeah, it's a, it's a very tough subject, especially with the

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laws out there. And when it does become legalized, how is it going to be advertised? It's going

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to be advertised like alcohol. Is it going to be on TV commercials all over the place?

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That's one reason, uh, I don't know. I think alcohol is just become too available, too

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much advertising for it. They took smoking cigarettes and stuff off of, uh, off of TV

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and ads a long time ago, but alcohol is still there. And, uh, how is, how's cannabis going

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to be? I know CBD has been accepted by major league baseball. Um, but I don't know. NBA

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has never really had a problem with cannabis. NFL lobbies against cannabis. They hate it.

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So they put millions into making it illegal or keeping it illegal. Um, so how is it going

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to be advertised? That's another thing. You know, I think, I think they'll probably somehow

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expand in the social media sphere, digital media. Um, I wouldn't be surprised to see

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like more niche sort of like your weed maps, leaf leaves popping up and things like that.

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like the alcohol industry and you can kind of see some things like, that's interesting

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where you see some of the major alcohol companies kind of like sniffing around cannabis and

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vice versa. So it's like, I could see it going there too, when, you know, full legalization

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hits, but, um, you know, cannabis, I would say in the mean and between time is going

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to continue to struggle. So I don't think it's, it's as prolific of an issue right now,

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but when it does become federal, I think that's, that's probably when it's like, Ooh, do we

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have too much cannabis content out there for people? Um, and to that extent, it's just

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like, Oh, well now that I think about it, here's me. I'm like, is that, is that bad

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though? Like to an extent, we don't want it like advertised as a commodity in that sort

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of sense. Like, Hey, pop up, buy some weed. Like, you don't want that. But if there's

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a way education is tied to it, I'd be like, I don't mind this as much. Um, because isn't

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that kind of what they did with the war on drugs? Like you had all of this propaganda

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around cannabis, wasn't old girl, like smashing pans in a kitchen or something like that.

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Every for bad. Yeah. And they did all of that without ever showing the plant. I feel we

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could do something similar to that, but like reverse, um, and it not be as harmful as like

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the alcohol and tobacco industries, um, kind of perpetuated. Yeah. So, uh, the program

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people's beliefs for sure, if they have already seen that and read, just educate the ones

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that aren't old enough to know that past villainization of the cannabis plant. So yeah. Um, I'm afraid

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that the recreational part of it and the money behind it is going to overshadow the medical

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part. And a lot of that's going to get, get, uh, lost. So I'm in the same boat as you.

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We need to educate people. Um, I'd love to work with you somehow. I don't know how we

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could work it out, but we will in the future. For sure. For sure. Where can, um, people

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find more information about yourself in new bay? Uh, do you, you do have a YouTube site?

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I watched a couple of your videos. I liked the one you were talking about where it actually

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helps with your foot injury. You had surgery on your foot. You like to run. That's one

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thing. Uh, a lot of people think cannabis run or cannabis consumers are lazy. You're

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another example that you, you helps you to get out and run more marathons, even with

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a hurt foot you had, could you explain that and how it helps you to run your marathons?

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Sure. Sure. Um, most recently I actually completed a sprint triathlon and years ago, funny story

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was with a friend. We're trying to catch a bus. I didn't realize there was a stair.

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So I ended up running and like curling my foot under and breaking my ankle, made the

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bus though, but flash forward some years, you know, ended up getting surgery and now

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I have a metal plate in it. Um, for the most part it's okay, but with too much activity,

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it can start, you know, being eh, for lack of a better word. Um, that being said, I wanted

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to challenge myself to run a sprint triathlon, which includes biking, running and swimming.

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Um, and I've never done anything of that magnitude. I don't even consider myself an athlete. I

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just exercise from time to time. Um, but I found that during training, especially during

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the running component that I could keep, I could keep going in terms of endurance, but

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my ankle, because it had the plate and wasn't used to that much working out was starting

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to affect my performance. And so I actually started, um, getting topicals, um, and using

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that to relieve the pain. And I found that there was no pain when I was running. And

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so it's cold now, but when I start back running again, because again, I was never a runner

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because of my ankle and I was like, Oh, I actually enjoy running now. Um, I will continue

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that using the topicals and things like that to manage the pain so I can make it through

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the workout. Um, so yeah, but I also like consume and run to like, I don't have any

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issues with breathing or anything like that. If, if anything, and this is just me, I feel

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that being a cannabis smoker has actually increased my capacity a little bit, a lot

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of it. Uh, second that too. Okay. But if you do get some contaminated herbs, they can really

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damage your lungs. Yeah. Be careful if you get some moldy stuff and, uh, or I'm not sure

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what it was sprayed with something I could tell it'll start burning. I shouldn't stop

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immediately and go find something else. Yeah. Just don't smoke. If you can't find anything

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else, it's not worth the damage to your lungs. It could really make you sick. But, uh, yeah,

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my capacity, I think it's bigger too. I could take big bong hits and I go to the doctor

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and like, man, you got a really big lung capacity. It's like, thank you. It's practice. I built

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it up. Um, you also said earlier, you had started to over consume a little bit. How,

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what were some of the signs to yourself? You're, I think people become more in tune with their

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body. If they started smoking cannabis, they, they could tell what their body needs and

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they can, they just are more in touch with themselves. And what were some of the signs

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that you felt you were over consuming when the pandemic hit and you were mentioning that

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you, you were having issues with work and school and home and what were the signs? Were

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you getting too lazy? Were you not washing the dishes and not keeping up on the house

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chores? Um, it was definitely the mental activity. Like I was still able to like function, but

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I'm a creative, I'm over here, you know, throwing ideas left and right. And I was getting nothing.

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I was like a robot. I was just like, let me teach something. It was physics, but it's

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just like, here's the lesson, do the work, don't do the work. We'll figure out the grade.

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Um, and then like at the time that's when new way was like just starting. I wasn't putting

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all of the extra time that I would have had, um, into that. And that's how I knew I was

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like, you're just kind of like not doing anything mentally whatsoever. Maybe you should ease

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back on smoking a little bit. Um, and I did and didn't, um, mainly what I did was kind

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of like restructure my time around consuming. Um, and I also started dosing. So now I don't

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00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:28,620
start smoking until 11 o'clock in my day because my highest brain activity is between like

391
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four AM and like 10 AM. So I commit myself like, I am not going to smoke during this,

392
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:41,800
this timeframe because this is where I know I can be the most productive. Once I get there,

393
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,920
I get my one hitter. I get about one or two, as you see, I've been, you know, smoking this

394
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,360
whole time here during my one to two and I'm good up until it's time for me to go to sleep.

395
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,440
I also have insomnia. So then I'll smoke my Indica right before I go to sleep and then

396
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:06,720
I'm good until the next day. So for me, it was more so around one managing, um, the time

397
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:12,680
of day, not necessarily the amount I consume. Cause I only smoke about maybe two grams a

398
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,080
day. If that, if that,

399
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,040
yeah, just knowing your body rhythm, right? Exactly. Just when you're at your peak and

400
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:23,280
you're at your bottom and exactly trying to control the parts that you can't control.

401
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:30,960
Like the insomnia, um, you know, manage the day correctly. I'm, I'm an Indica girl all

402
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:38,280
day, all day, all day. I can't smoke Indica all day though. So I allow myself either like

403
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:44,800
crescendo is my favorite over here. Um, it's a sativa leaning hybrid, but crescendo I can

404
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:49,480
do enough where it won't give me a headache, but I'm still having that like even killed

405
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:55,760
because I found those kind of give me a headache to the sativas do a little bit. Um, and then

406
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:02,600
I'm okay. And then after my work day is done, it's in the good time and we are couch sitting

407
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,440
together until it's time to go to sleep. Yeah.

408
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,760
I've talked to other people that it's, it's easier to have a routine when you're more

409
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,760
knowledgeable about it and you can go into it. When I was younger, we started smoking.

410
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,200
It was just like, it makes you feel good more of the better, but it's not more of the better.

411
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:25,640
It's cutting back a little bit and controlling it. It max maximizes the effects. I'm not

412
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:31,280
going to lie. I probably over-consume it just because I've been consuming so long that I

413
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,260
need a little bit more consumption because of the, the tolerance. And that's one good

414
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:41,000
thing I like about cannabis too. And you liked your strain, crescendo. I liked that one.

415
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:47,120
That's a good one. We sold here and the spring tree I worked out for a while, um, that cannabis

416
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:53,440
not compared to pharmaceuticals, pharmaceuticals, they're always the same dosage, the same medicine.

417
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,720
And you get even when you're taking those on years on years and years, it, you have

418
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:04,640
to have a tolerance buildup and they, they probably don't work. If you have cannabis,

419
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,720
each strain is a little bit different. If you're smoking crescendo all the time, you

420
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:12,560
might get a little tolerance to it, but you can switch over to something else that smells

421
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,920
very similar, but has just a little bit different kind of an oil structure profile and different

422
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,480
terpene profile. And it hits you just a little bit different, but almost the same. So it's

423
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,360
kind of like, you don't have to take a tolerance break as much because you can switch to another

424
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,600
strain. It's kind of similar and then go back to the crescendo after a couple of weeks and

425
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,520
it'll hit you like it did in the beginning. At least that's my theory.

426
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:45,120
I like that theory because I actually recently learned what a tolerance break was from my

427
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,800
intern and she's like, do you ever take tolerance? I was like, what's that? I'm like, no, I just

428
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:50,800
switch it up.

429
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Yeah, that's, that's with me growing. I grow different strains. I don't, a lot of growers

430
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:00,080
will grow a lot of the same strain, but I like to grow different strains for different

431
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,340
times of the day, different purposes. Like right now I have a hybrid, which kind of relaxing,

432
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:11,280
but still sociable. After this, I'll probably end up taking a nap and I'll smoke a little

433
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,880
something heavier to knock me out for a little bit. And then I'll get up later on. And if

434
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,960
I need to smoke a little sativa, something not as heavy if I need, or I usually probably

435
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,280
don't smoke too much after my nap until nighttime when it's time to go to bed. And then I'll

436
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,400
smoke something heavier to slow my brain down.

437
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:31,400
Yeah.

438
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,000
I like the Indica because it slows your brain down. Yes. And it helps you to control your

439
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,360
thoughts a little bit more or just complete blackout. That's what I don't have. I don't

440
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,840
have anything. Yeah. I was like complete blackout. Like we've worked enough for today.

441
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:54,360
Yeah. And if you control it, it can work just like you said, like clockwork, you hit it

442
00:46:54,360 --> 00:47:01,320
at the right time. Your body routine gets it. It can help you knock out really good.

443
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:12,760
And you'll have to come out here to Colorado sometime. Absolutely. Check it out. Chicago,

444
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:18,280
what is what is happening in Chicago at the moment? What are the the weed prices? What

445
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,560
are the the mentality from your viewpoint?

446
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:33,000
Oh, the Chicago market. We are over it. The weed prices too damn high. You know, Illinois

447
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:40,520
came out here talking big shit like we're going to do it better than everybody else.

448
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:45,520
And Illinois has become in these last three years the poster child for not how to roll

449
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:55,520
out a candidate's program. You know, people are paying a hundred hundred and twenty for

450
00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:03,800
eight. Like, wow. Yeah. Is that the taxes on it? What's the tax? That is I think in

451
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:12,080
total is about 35 percent. Yeah, it's a price. Yeah, it is about 30 percent here. Yeah.

452
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:17,320
But prices aren't that high. I think it's just because supply and demand. There's more

453
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:22,360
more licenses for grows out here than there are there. I'm not sure how hard is it to

454
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:29,560
get a license in Chicago to grow or to own a dispensary? It's been a very difficult process.

455
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:35,980
So I mentioned our program rolled out in like 2020. So like we were supposed to have licenses

456
00:48:35,980 --> 00:48:43,120
in 2020. They just issued the licenses, the conditional licenses last year in terms of

457
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:50,320
those. And these were mostly the social equity licenses. And to date, only three, three have

458
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:59,320
opened, I believe, of like 180 or so that were issued. Yeah. Where most of those in

459
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:06,720
the city of Chicago or is that the whole city of Chicago and some in the lower part of the

460
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:18,960
state, but most in the Chicagoland area. What is the biggest hurdle for these licenses to

461
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:27,400
become reality? And messos like I'm a keep it a book like the corporations don't want

462
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:34,760
the small businesses to have anything. It's fucked up, but it's a reality. I accept it,

463
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,920
which is why I had pivoted early because I also put in for a dispensing license. I saw

464
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:46,880
from the beginning it was going to be some bullshit. And I think that's how it's going

465
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:54,400
to continue despite or in spite of our efforts around speaking with our political leaders

466
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:00,640
and things like that. Yeah. Money's just going to take over. Corporations got it right now.

467
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,880
And it's just kind of like we're kind of at their behest, if you will. But then I'm kind

468
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:11,640
of like, yo, just get like California and just do what you got to do. Grow for yourself.

469
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:17,400
Like, that's what I want to educate people that tell them cannabis is not going to be

470
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:23,120
able to roll out like alcohol just because you can't, you can't brew up the plant and

471
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,840
you can't keep the recipe the same all the time. It's something that it's nature. It's

472
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,360
hard to control, but anybody can do it. But when you try to do it on large, large scales,

473
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:39,220
it suffers. Like what is the quality quality of the herb these people are paying a hundred

474
00:50:39,220 --> 00:50:46,240
dollars an eighth for? Is it worth a hundred dollars an eighth or is it is it nugs or what

475
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:52,280
they call it? It really is all many. Like I haven't seen a Nug since like 2020.

476
00:50:52,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Like summer 2020, like an actual lie. I haven't seen one. Everything is basically nugs now.

477
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:08,200
This is like it's highly processed, not touched by hand machine rolled, highly processed.

478
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:14,420
That's you lose a lot of quality and you lose medicinal qualities too. So that's the one

479
00:51:14,420 --> 00:51:20,520
thing I want to educate is people where you're at, reach out to your governor, reach out

480
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:25,520
to your senators, tell them, Hey, I want to be able to grow my own medicine for sure.

481
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:30,760
Or have a caregiver system because these big, big companies, they're going to vote against

482
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,920
caregivership and home growing Joe. They can corner the market and keep continue to sell

483
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:44,360
their mids for large amounts of money. And then they wonder why the black, the black

484
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:49,040
market is an issue. Well, they're going to keep making a black

485
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:58,440
market. That's exactly what it is. There's got to be a fine line where the black market

486
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:04,920
stops and the consumer goes to the store, but that's not going to happen with big corporate

487
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:11,160
entities. The only way it's going to happen is with small mom and pop places, maybe even

488
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:17,880
farmers markets, being able to sell it at a farmer's market. It's got to be spread out

489
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,000
for sure. And the people that really love the plant,

490
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,400
that's where you're going to find the best medicine. Not for people who had just a lot

491
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,520
of money, want to invest it, have nothing to do, have no, no education about cannabis

492
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,200
at all. Probably don't even consume.

493
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:42,440
Well, they do. They just don't. They think that money can produce anything and it is

494
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,760
true. And it's, it's hard to do that. And I'm afraid that's what's going to happen with

495
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:53,640
the market with recreational, because I've already seen it starting miseducation, high

496
00:52:53,640 --> 00:53:00,840
THC levels, branding, commercializing ads, stone, famous rappers, sticker name on it,

497
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:08,760
throwing Willie Nelson's name on it. I love Willie Nelson and I love his weed, but that's

498
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,400
a marketing tool that people here are using.

499
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Interesting. I wonder who they use that for because I'm like, do people like, and it might

500
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:25,040
be a generational thing, like full disclosure, 35, 80s baby all the way, I grew up in the

501
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,520
90s. I'm like, none of these people, like I know who they are, but they're not like

502
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:39,640
relevant to me. And it's like, there's kind of like this disconnect because isn't Gen

503
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:46,880
Z like the biggest demographic of consumer at this point? I could be, it could be Gen

504
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:55,800
Z and or millennials. But even so, like, I'm a millennial, like, like they're great, but

505
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:02,840
they're not like my, my celebrity, if you will, you know, Beyonce is, it would be my,

506
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,840
my celebrity.

507
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,440
Wiz Khalifa is would be one more close to your age, wouldn't it?

508
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:14,080
Yeah, Wiz Khalifa, but nobody checks for Wiz Khalifa. It's just kind of like, like, he's

509
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:21,280
great again. I enjoy his music, but they're not the people encouraging me to go consume.

510
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:28,640
They're not the people encouraging me to like go buy their brand. And so I hope at a certain

511
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,720
point, like the industry just stops relying on these celebrities who are disconnected

512
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:42,560
from us anyway, and kind of like bring the perspectives of the people into like some

513
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:48,200
of this branding and marketing, because it's like, they have money, I don't care. And they

514
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,160
don't care about me.

515
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,280
I think they should focus, we should focus more on the different effects of different

516
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,980
types of cannabis. A lot of this endicam sativa has been taken away. A lot of people don't

517
00:54:58,980 --> 00:55:04,000
want to focus on endicam sativa or even use those terms anymore. And it's more on the

518
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:13,160
revitalizing or the type of sleep. They'll label it as a sleepy weed or purple pillow,

519
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:19,720
something that you know is going to help you relax and go to sleep or energizing weed.

520
00:55:19,720 --> 00:55:23,600
They have energizing weed. Some of the companies out here put energize on it because it's a

521
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:33,160
sativa, some kind of a nice daytime that helps people get through the workday. So yeah, that's

522
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:41,240
what I think the commercials or ads or whatever, how we should start to show it to people with

523
00:55:41,240 --> 00:55:46,680
different types of cannabis, CBD, even it's completely different. There's so many new

524
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:51,200
things coming out there that a lot of the consumers that have been consuming for 20

525
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,720
or 30 years don't know this information because it's so much information coming out at one

526
00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:06,000
time. And it affects everybody differently. So it's even you got to throw in that factor.

527
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,760
There's different types of people. There's lazy people. There's people that have ADHD

528
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:19,440
or are already super active and gear towards these certain types of consumers that consume

529
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,840
for different reasons. For sure. And I like one thing that you said, one of your things,

530
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:34,400
it does help with your metabolism. So another thing you think pot smokers, oh, couch potatoes

531
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:39,600
eat a lot of chips. That's the thing you would see back in the eighties or nineties when

532
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:45,360
they had to reformat and so your brain on drugs. And that's not true. It does really

533
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:52,920
help affect your metabolism. And after the very first initial munchies, I'm sure you

534
00:56:52,920 --> 00:57:00,760
got the munchies a little bit, but after so a little bit of time, you lose that that munchie

535
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:08,120
feeling and it helps control your appetite actually in your in your food consumption

536
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:15,200
in my perspective. Yeah, like I've been experiencing that as well. Like full disclosure after I

537
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:21,320
did my little triathlon, I have not worked out since. And I've always been like very

538
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,440
conscious around managing my weight. And I found it very strange that I hadn't gained

539
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:31,600
anything in these like four or five months. I haven't been working out. And I was like,

540
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:37,680
my diet hasn't changed. I was like, has has has the weed kind of like kept my metabolism

541
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:44,160
kind of keeping it going? Oh, maybe it has along with, you know, losing some muscle mass.

542
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:51,080
But outside of that, you know, I think to an extent that that cannabis has been helping

543
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:55,400
me kind of like maintain my weight to a certain extent, not saying that is used for weight

544
00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,320
loss, but that metabolism piece. I would like to see some research on that when they get

545
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:01,320
to that point.

546
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:05,760
Yeah, I've said that for years and I've heard it from other people too. So you're right

547
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:12,580
on point with that. I'd like to see some more research on that. Hopefully this bill goes

548
00:58:12,580 --> 00:58:17,100
through and they actually do some research. Yes, there's a lot of independent research

549
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:24,200
already out there and that they know about and they can bring into the research and speed

550
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,080
it up. But I don't see it speeding up too quick.

551
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:40,080
Nah, they're up. The government going government. That's all I got. Like, it's it's up to us

552
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:45,400
to kind of do what needs to be done until they figure out. Well, they probably already

553
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:50,000
have it figured out. They're just playing games. So it's up to us.

554
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:57,640
Yeah, it's it's just big money, big corporate entities holding it back from my perspective.

555
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:02,760
And they're just trying to figure out a way that they can corner the market. That's what

556
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:09,320
people are always calling a race to the bottom race to the bottom. So listeners, if you ever

557
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:15,960
hear this, that's what the race to the bottom is, is holding out until the prices are so

558
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:22,600
high for the business owners that they can no longer support their own businesses and

559
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:27,840
fold. And then the big entities with the big money like the alcohol companies can come

560
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:33,000
in and corner the market because they already have the distribution and everything set up

561
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,060
from the alcohol. For sure.

562
00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:44,040
But it's all about controlling the prices and undercutting all the little guys until

563
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:56,280
we all have a supermarket weed. Basically. So education is the only way. I like to thank

564
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:02,640
you, Kurt, for coming on to the show and helping to educate the listeners. And definitely we

565
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,000
got to keep it up and support the little guys.

566
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:12,400
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. I truly appreciate it.

567
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:19,340
Well, welcome. And you're welcome to come out here and record and help mingle and network

568
01:00:19,340 --> 01:00:24,200
a little bit here with me and Dan and Kendall.

569
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,720
Oh, most definitely. I'm gonna have to get on your calendars pretty quickly.

570
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:35,040
All right. Well, I'm gonna let you go get back to your work and enjoy the day and we

571
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,520
will be in touch really soon.

572
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,520
All right. Take care.

573
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,960
Anything else you want the listeners out there to know before we cut it off?

574
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:47,320
They can follow you on YouTube and all your little plugs here before we cut off.

575
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:55,240
Yes, absolutely. Be sure to follow us at InterNouve on all of our socials. CandleLine on the YouTube

576
01:00:55,240 --> 01:01:01,880
and www.internouve.com is our website. Check us out.

577
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,840
Yes, I will. And everybody else, it's highly recommended. I will talk to you soon. Thanks,

578
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:07,840
Kurt.

579
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:08,840
All right. Take care. Thanks.

580
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:09,840
Bye.

581
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:29,000
Don't diss herbal doctors from rumors you heard. The man's not a drug dealer. Call him Dr.

582
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:41,880
Herb. For the healing meditation and good vibration. For food, fuel, fiber, and a little

583
01:01:41,880 --> 01:02:00,080
bit of fun. See the joint ain't necessarily the point, but I want more.