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Welcome to the podcast, everybody. I'm here with a special guest, Tommy from Detroit Nutrient

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Company. We met last year. I was on a quest to find some living soil and just happened to have

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a local store said, Hey, this guy just stopped in with a couple bags of soil.

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And we need somebody to test out. And I was like, well, hell yeah, give it to me. So I took it home.

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There was a number on the back of the bag and it said call for more information. And Tommy answered

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we started talking and he ran me through the spiel of living soil and why his product was

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water only and the true first and only water only I believe. And he came out to Colorado.

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We went to a shop, I heard his spiel and I was so so I brought him on the show. And I wanted to

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have him explain because he was the best person at explaining why living soil was superior.

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And first, I want to let these people out here know, what got you into cannabis, Tommy? Why did

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you start consuming? We had some things in common where we both drank in the past, but we don't

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anymore. And we compared life consuming cannabis to drinking and found out that it was a lot more

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positive optimistic in my point of view, when I smoke compared to drinking. So when did you

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actually get into cannabis and you are from Detroit area or Michigan or upstate New York or Michigan,

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correct? So I got to ask you a question. Are you supposed to be appearing and disappearing?

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Oh, it's when I back out.

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You can see my logo.

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Ah, all right. So that's how it's supposed to look.

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It's not 100 percent supposed to be like that, but I like the way it works out.

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All right. So, yeah, I was born and raised here in Detroit, Michigan. That's where I'm sitting

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right now. I own a farm in northern Michigan. I spend in the summertime and I'm a sportsman

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as well. So I spent a lot of time in northern Michigan on my farm up there when I can get away.

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But for the most part, born here and right in the city of Detroit, raised in the city of Detroit. And

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that's where my my journey with cannabis started. So I started out when I was probably,

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I would say I was 12 years old the first time, which listen, I'm telling you my story. It's not

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maybe what I recommend. Right. I'm not either. I tell you, don't follow me.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's been a long, strange trip for me. And so I'm not encouraging young people to do

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anything. But yeah, it started out when I was about 12 years old. I've got older sibling,

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our two older sisters. And so so I was introduced to actually, if I remember correctly, I think

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the old method of smoking hash where you put a little on the pin through a piece of cardboard,

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set on fire, then you put the cup over it, let the smoke build up. And I believe that was maybe my

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first experience with cannabis. And then then smoking joints with the older kids watching

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the Simpsons. Like, I mean, that was a huge thing. That was maybe 87, 88, when that started going on.

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And then I was like everybody else, a little,

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you know, hustler on the street with cannabis and some of my older friends. And then and

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later on in life, I got into kind of the bar industry. And I had a parallel relationship

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with cannabis as well. But alcohol really became my go to drug of choice. You know, when I was

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in my late teens and early 20s, like most kids, because there was no because there was there was

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definitely a what do you call that you you know, there was an image that went along with weed,

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and it wasn't accessible. And you had to chase it down. You go, you know, with a fake ID, go to

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the liquor store. And when I was about 1516, I got robbed at gunpoint on a weed deal, you know.

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And so it dissuaded me the the nature of it, the way that we went about getting it,

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the criminal element, especially Detroit at the time was rough city was a really rough,

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rough town back then. I mean, I don't know for people that are old, it was the murder

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capital of the world multiple years in a row. And it was it was just riddled with crime back then.

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And and so it was hard, you know, you had to deal with just straight up thugs to get weed.

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And you know, you're getting Mexican brick weed, you know, and the quality wasn't there. When you

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found good quality was really expensive. So so I went, you know, going through all that and then

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the easy accessibility to alcohol and being in the bar business. My relationship with alcohol

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turned pretty toxic. Pretty quickly. I had a series of setbacks in my life that led me to

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overconsume. And I did some damage to myself and physically and emotionally because because of my

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relationship with alcohol. And so after, you know, 25 years of that, I had to end my relationship

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with alcohol and which was very difficult at the time. You know, anybody that's ever been addicted

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to it in the way that I was, you understand, I mean, it's life threatening when you're an alcoholic to

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to stop. So kind of the when you're coming out of it, there's like a lot of sweating and shaking

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and uncomfortableness. And then I was able to then lean back on my very old friend cannabis

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to help me kind of to help get me across some of the those rough patches. I mean, honestly,

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I know I don't I can't stand that marijuana has been overbilled as a miracle drug, you know,

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and I don't recommend training or trading one addiction for the other. But I can say when you

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when you have that level of anxiety and mental discomfort, when you're exiting a relationship

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with alcohol, especially marijuana helped kind of soothe some of that it helped kind of

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put the shakes to rest and kept me eating and kept me, you know, it kept me off the edge. I mean,

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I lost, you know, you lose your identity after an addiction. And it's really overwhelming. And so

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I was able to utilize cannabis even more at the end of my relationship with alcohol,

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they're kind of offset some of that daily confusion and anxiousness about the change in my life. And

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and I know I know you and I have spoken at length about this in, you know, person and multiple times.

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And it was rough, you know, it's really hard and cannabis. And again, I'm not trying to book

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cannabis as a miracle drug, but cannabis was able to really help me kind of get over that.

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Oh, you know, I was I was I was able to crap. Did I lose you there, buddy? No, you're good.

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We're still here. All right. I was able to kind of get out of that

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rough patch with the help of cannabis really did really did me a big solid.

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Yeah, I was on the same boat. It was a wear my body down. It seemed like a normal thing to do

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where I was at daily consumption at the university, came to Colorado and drinking at the altitude

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here was really hard on your body. You just can't drink at this altitude. And I was living at 10,000

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feet and drinking on a daily there will really tear up your body. Oh, yeah. I was lucky there

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was good quality cannabis. The first time I stopped drinking, then I was able to stop drinking for

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about five years. And then I moved to Spain and it was really hard for me to get cannabis in Spain.

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I was relying on pollen hash. They call that there really wasn't the good stuff in smoking just

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straight hash because I didn't like tobacco and they would mix it with the tobacco out of a cigarette

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and smoke that. So after four years of that and dealing with black market there, and I actually

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was pulled over once by the national police just at a random checkpoint carrying a couple of ounces

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and sweat and bullets. So I was really lucky to get off of that. And so I ended up drinking again

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over there and then came back to the United States and came back to Colorado because in rural West

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Virginia, you just couldn't find the good quality cannabis or it was not fit for human consumption

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and you're sick when you did consume it instead of making you better. So since I've been here,

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I don't even crave alcohol and I find my life is a lot more positive. I'm more optimistic.

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Alcohol is a depressant and can take you to dark places and especially if people are mixing those

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with antidepressants or other medicines, they are being prescribed to help them with the depression

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that the alcohol is inducing or making worse. So I'm glad for that myself and I don't recommend

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people smoking cannabis unless it is something that takes them off of something harder.

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But just going out and smoking, I'm in your same boat. It's not a miracle drug, but it can help a

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lot of people. Yeah, I mean, so I did physical. I have I didn't know it when I quit drinking. I

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found out later and I did physical damage to my liver. I have some scarring on my liver because

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of my relationship with alcohol. I was three hundred and sixty pounds. I had sleep apnea

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because of my size. I was leading a sedentary lifestyle because of my relationship with alcohol.

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I was. And not to not to rain on anybody's parade or be a bummer. I mean, I literally at one point

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put a gun in my mouth. I was so depressed. I didn't alcohol wasn't. I had my problems that

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I was escaping from alcohol and lost some friends and. I was in a hard place and I couldn't get out

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of it. And I was doubling down on bad behavior, which, you know, I'm sure a lot of people can

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relate to with drinking and it couldn't help me anymore. And so I got to the point where I

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got so I got so depressed that I was I was dark for me, man. Like, that's hard for me to admit,

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you know, but I've become better at sharing it because not carrying that load by yourself is.

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Makes it easier. And I like for people to I like to kind of spread the word on on that.

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Alcohol is a depressant. And I'm not and I don't think cannabis is a miracle drug at all. I think

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cannabis is really great at a lot of things, but it bothers me when people over sell it as a cure

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for everything. It's not a cure for everything. I mean, ultimately, you need to create better

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habits. You should probably speak to a therapist or a friend, you know, about your problems and

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examine your relationship with other drugs. And in that cannabis can help

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let off a lot of the stress. And for me, it did. You know, I don't know that maybe it's

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you know, nothing's for everybody. But I felt like I feel like cannabis gets a really bad rep

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for a few reasons. And one of is doesn't make cannabis or alcohol doesn't create a good time

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to have a drink on where I'm more apt to

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be chill when I'm smoking a little weed and be a little cooler. And I don't think I was like that.

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I mean, you know, people like me when I drink because they were drinking with me. But

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I wasn't as cool. I wasn't as in control as I am. If I smoke if I smoke a little weed,

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But the downside of smoking weed is that, you know, you might it might be a gateway

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to unhealthy food choices.

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So so when they say that cannabis is a gateway drug, it's a gateway to sugar, which is a

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drug.

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Like, I'm more apt to want to receive candy or, you know, that or a cookie or something

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when I'm a little stoned.

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But I've never and I don't know how you feel about that.

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I'll tell you how I feel.

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There's a lot about the gateway drug portion of it.

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So you know, I've done a lot of drugs in my life and I enjoyed them.

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I liked a lot of the drugs that I did.

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I've never smoked a joint.

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I've not only have I never smoked a joint and said it myself, I've never had somebody

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after just smoking a joint look at me and say we should score an eight ball.

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How many times were you sitting in a bar with somebody that normally wouldn't do blow and

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after they have a couple of shots, they'll say, hey, man, I need a bump.

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Like alcohol is the gateway drug.

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It is for sure.

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And all the things that they blame on weed, I can say firsthand that I think you're more

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apt to do that under the influence of alcohol.

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And also when you're like going out just driving, you sit around smoking like, oh, let's go

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out and race.

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And I'm like, yeah, man, I'm high.

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I get like 12 deep into a 12 pack.

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Oh, shit, I can route race you and you're out there racing on the street.

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And that's the bad news, man.

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I've seen it happen.

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You know, when you smoke a joint and you're talking to your chick, right.

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Like, and I'm sorry, I don't know if that's politically correct, but you're smoking a

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joint you're talking to.

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In my case, it's it's it's my girlfriend.

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Or your boyfriend, whatever it is.

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You're way you smoke a joint and they say something ridiculous.

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If you're a little high, you laugh at like, you don't hear of dudes.

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Like, man, I'll smoke like two joints and then I got arrested for domestic violence.

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I'm not a violent.

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I'm not a domestic.

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I don't.

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Those aren't my issues to begin with.

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But I don't know many potheads that have domestic situation unless they're mixing other unless

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they're mixing other things and with the high.

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And I think marijuana, all marijuana was in use.

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And sometimes it mixed with other legal drugs.

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And those are ones that creating it.

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You want to just get the bad rep on the.

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Like usually you're just chill, you know, and also, you know, like I am and there's

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this there's this taboo with it where people think that it makes you lethargic.

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And so, like I said, when I ran or when I drank, I was three hundred and sixty five

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pounds.

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I weigh one hundred and seventy one pounds sitting here today.

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And I see you run all the time.

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And I run.

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I run five case, 10 case.

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I'm signing up for half marathon coming up here and the end of February.

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I run with my goddaughter, who also is a cannabis.

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I mean, she's she's 28.

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So it's not a little kid.

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But I run.

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I run competitively with my goddaughter, who is also a cannabis user.

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And I would have to say in relationship, you know, as opposed to Elgar, I was much more

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lethargic when I drank.

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I was much more sedentary when I drank.

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And I have a little asthma.

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You know, I have I've been hospitalized for asthma in the past.

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And and with controlled asthma, I can still run and enjoy a joint now and then.

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You know, I'm not a I don't think you should do anything in excess.

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Anything, you know, but I think a little well used cannabis, I mean, it helps you with some

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of the aches and pains after working out.

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It helps you.

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It helps.

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Obviously, you know, little known fact, I don't know how little known, but if you if

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the cannabinoid level in your system is low.

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So your cells, when a cell becomes unhealthy, right, it will attach to it's attached to

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the cell next to it.

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bad cell, the cell next to it will try to save it.

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And it will become sick itself.

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And that multiplied over time becomes a tumor, right?

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Cancer.

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That's when your cannabinoid level is low.

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If you have the proper balance, the cannabinoids in your system, when that sick cell reaches

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out to the cell next to it, the cell next to it will let it die on its own.

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It won't try to save it.

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And so if you look at if you take that knowledge into consideration and then look at the time

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period that was the prohibition of cannabis in the really worldwide, we always say in

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the United States, but I mean, the prohibition of cannabis, we set the standard for the for

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And so when we have this prohibition of cannabis and everybody's cannabinoid levels were low

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and I'm not trying to draw connections that aren't there, man.

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Like, honestly, this isn't some conspiracy theory.

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This is legit.

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You can look at the timeline.

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You can look at the probation of cannabis products and then look at the explosion of

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cancer in the United States.

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Autoimmune disorders and various other Parkinson's.

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That's because the cannabinoid level in all of us was low.

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So I use like some CBD in my morning smoothies.

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Right.

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And then I smoke a little weed and I'll eat some here and there.

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You know, I use cannabis based products and some low and a lot of the lotions that I use.

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A lot of it is even more CBD leaning with some THC.

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THC kind of unlocks the healing properties of CBD.

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But I utilize that stuff and I believe that it keeps me on a healthier, a healthier track,

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you know, and I think I firmly believe it's it's it's health care is not going to the

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doctor and getting a pill for something after you're sick of it.

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After you're sick, health care is preventative measures to not have to go to said doctor

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to begin with.

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And so, I mean, I get my yearly checkups.

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I'm not recommending people turn their back on their doctors, but you should, you know,

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reach out to doctors.

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And I know it's easy for me and you.

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You're in Denver.

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I'm in Detroit.

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It's been so legal.

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So long here.

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When I talk to my doctor about it, my doctor knows it's right on my chart at the University

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of Michigan.

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It's on my chart that I use marijuana.

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And the doctor is cool with it.

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I think that you should try to shop your doctors and make sure that you find doctors that understand

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your your beliefs and you can.

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And if you if you incorporate cannabis properly into your lifestyle.

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And I'm not talking about the, you know, dudes, you know, dabbing entire ounces on YouTube,

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which is fun and cool.

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And I'm not dogging them either.

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But I mean for a healthy lifestyle, if you're active, I work out four to five days a week

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to try to stay in shape.

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I run three times a week.

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And then I run competitively once a month in a 510 or half marathon.

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So in order to maintain that, I can do that with a little bit of weed here and there.

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You know, when we're at the shows or when I'm with you, maybe a little bit more.

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You saw me when we were in Denver and you hooked me up with a little bit of that thousand

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milligram.

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You saw you saw me high as a kite that afternoon.

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We had a good good old time.

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But it was it was a good day.

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Yes.

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But but but if you keep it in, if you keep it in, I think I went back to my hotel and

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went to sleep like right after you dropped me off.

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But if you if you keep it in moderation, I think that I honestly I'm not a doctor, I'm

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not a mystic or any of those things.

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I honestly in my it's my belief that alcohol not that that my relationship with cannabis

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helped me to end my relationship with alcohol, which my relationship with alcohol would have

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killed me had I not would have killed me within a year of when I've been sober for 11 years.

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I would have died.

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Congrats.

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I would have died within 12 months had I not quit drinking when I did.

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And I believe that cannabis has led me down the road to a healthier life.

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I also will say this.

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I believe that growing cannabis helped.

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So I had I was borderline hypertension when I quit drinking.

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I had high blood pressure.

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And around the same time was when I started really getting into indoor growing.

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And and I found that watching that working with plants helped to lower my blood pressure,

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which in turn led me to become even healthier and lose more weight.

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You know, it was all in cannabis, all part of a bigger picture.

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But I think that growing cannabis kind of led me to that growing cannabis led me to

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growing more plants than just cannabis.

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And and I think that growing plants in general is healthy.

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I think growing and being around cannabis is very healthy.

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I think cannabis consumption is healthy in moderation.

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Again, there's not no miracle drug.

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If you're depressed, you should if you're depressed, for one, you should exercise more,

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drink more water, meditate.

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If those things don't work, talk to somebody, seek a therapist or or a really close friend

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that you trust and get your stuff out.

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I don't think it's the be all end all.

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But I think that cannabis incorporated into your lifestyle leads to a healthier lifestyle.

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I 100 percent believe that.

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I'm not preaching it or telling everybody to go do it.

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But it's my belief.

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Yeah, it might not work for everybody, but it did work for me.

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Also, we talked about how the the want to grow your own food, grow more plants, grow

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your own herbs, eat your own food, eat healthier.

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You said you get the munchies, but overall, we both have started eating better, healthier

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foods or fruits and vegetables, less fried food, especially if you're in a bar and you're

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drinking fried foods.

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The only thing on the menu, you're not going to find avocado.

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I find some guacamole dip or something, but you're not going to get a salad with something

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healthy out there.

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I cook a lot of my own food and it really does.

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Eating into the plants, feeding the plants a healthy.

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You can see a correlation in humans, how they need the same minerals and vitamins that we

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need.

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The amino acids, the enzymes, it's the root, the same as our stomach.

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My stomach was really torn up from drinking.

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So your stomach is in a bad shape.

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Your brain's in bad shape.

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It's another thing.

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It leads you down a spiral of depression and eating healthier, probiotics, prebiotics,

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mushroom supplements.

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Those help rebuild your stomach.

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Those are like your roots.

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Bigger tops on your butt, stronger head on your body.

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There's a direct correlation with eating and prevention and staying healthy before the

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illness takes place.

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I find a lot of Americans are looking for that quick fix.

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Oh man, my liver's going bad.

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I could just take a pill for that.

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But then that pill causes another pill or another anxiety or another problem.

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But speaking to other people about the same thing.

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Oh, it's the paradox of our parents.

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You know, it was unhealthy diet, unhealthy, like the things they trusted the law.

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The food has totally changed from the pro or the pre prohibition days until now.

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There were so many like 50 to 75 percent of people in America grew their own food then.

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Now there's less.

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It's all there's more.

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There's more products in a grocery store.

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There's less food.

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So there's more food products, but there's less varieties of actual food.

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Well, I've gotten to see this in different countries, too.

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I've traveled to Spain.

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I would spend months in Peru.

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I've spent time in Canada.

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And one of my favorite things is going to the grocery store, you know, and look down

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the aisles and you see here in America, one whole aisle is dedicated to potato chips and

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sodas.

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And then if you go to Peru, they have a whole aisle of just raw potatoes, 300 varieties

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of potatoes itself.

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Natural.

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Right.

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And in Mexico, 32 different varieties of maize.

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Yep.

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And here in America, we have number two corn.

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And it's all GMO free.

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It's all organic in Spain.

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They would not take on GMOs.

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They have anti pesticide laws and anti herbicide laws that are a lot stronger than America,

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Canada, too.

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And it's crazy how little variety we have available to us here in the United States.

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If you ever want to get down a wormhole, read every book Michael Pollan has ever written.

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I've read one or two.

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I like his writings.

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Michael Pollan has never written a bad book.

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He's super objective.

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He tries not to pick a side.

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My first introduction to him.

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I mean, you know, you know this about me, but, you know, I am a big fan of psilocybin

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and dimethyltryptamine.

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I think we could have an entire podcast on that.

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That's the next one.

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I was going to end off with that one.

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After we talk about candidates, I'll bring you back to the mushrooms and say, yeah, that

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here in Colorado.

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And it's a hot topic.

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Is a deep is their decriminalized.

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So I was decriminalized here and actually psilocybin and DMT are decriminalized here.

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They just legalized it here.

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It was decriminalized.

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Now it's legalized here.

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I don't know what the future is going to happen here.

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Right.

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So, but hey, we are going to have to take a little break here because we're running

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around out of time on this little zoom spot.

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I have to take a little break and call you back.

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But we're going to go into how you like to study because I know you're really a bookworm

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when it comes to living soils and mushrooms and you really know your knowledge and you

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study it.

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So I want to talk to you about what got you into creating your own living soil.

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Why is superior compared to some super soils?

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Maybe even see how the mushrooms work into that.

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You can put that into your soil somehow and then we'll take a break and then we'll come

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back and talk about some other things in the cannabis industry that are hot topics right

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now.

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I love it.

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Cool, man.

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All right.

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Thanks, Tommy, for sharing all that with us.

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And I'll be right back, folks.

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Welcome back, everybody.

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I'm back again with Tommy from Detroit Nutrient Company, water only living soil.

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And I wanted to jump back into our earlier conversation real quick because I forgot to

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mention we ran out of time.

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More little time frame with the zoom is only 40 minute parts.

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We're fighting after drinking.

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I was just watching the news this morning and some they were showing some videos of

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the World Cup and there were some bars all lined up on both sides of the street and look

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like these hooligans are out there lined up playing Red Rover running across the street,

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punching each other, hitting each other with chairs, then running back to their side.

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And it just it was like 20 groups of them just going at it for like a half an hour,

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beating the shit out of each other.

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Right.

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Have you ever seen that happen on cannabis?

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Go out to a spot where everybody's smoking.

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Can you imagine just seeing everybody just started fighting?

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I have.

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So I'm always careful about this.

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One time I saw two old guys at a marijuana event get into a fight, but they were like,

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like these were like silver haired guys and it was some personal stuff from like 30 years

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ago.

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They hadn't seen each other.

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Other than that, I've been how many cannabis cups have you gone to?

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How many cannabis events have you gone to?

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And there was never a kerfuffle.

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You like there's never a problem at cannabis events.

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It's amazing to me, except for this one.

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And it just so happened this fight took place and it ended on my table and broke the table.

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I was displaying my products in half.

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But but aside from that, I've never seen you just don't see it.

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You don't see the hammer bumped into me.

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You're looking at my girl kind of stuff at cannabis events.

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You just don't see it.

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And yeah, so you is it.

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It doesn't breed the trouble that that alcohol breeds.

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I mean, you know, I'm not beating up on people that drink or whatever.

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I'm not one of those people, but he's their own.

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But I mean, honestly, if you if you have you've ever just smoked weed and then if you drank,

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you understand the difference that you know, that's not there's no argument to that.

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You are much less apt to get yourself into a bad situation if you're just a little high.

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And the next day, you almost always remember what you did after drinking.

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I don't know how many times I've come home.

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I was never a violent drunk, but I would come home and I lived the university I was on was

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on a hill.

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So I would take my dog out three or four o'clock in the morning, end up falling down drunk,

454
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,480
come back the next day, wake up my shoulder sore.

455
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,400
Why my shoulder so sore?

456
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,880
Just don't remember it, you know.

457
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,880
Yeah.

458
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:16,880
Yeah.

459
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,880
Fights.

460
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:25,380
The couples arguing don't remember a thing that that following morning anxiety.

461
00:33:25,380 --> 00:33:27,080
So like I do last night.

462
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,080
Yeah.

463
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,080
What happened?

464
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,320
Well, you just wake up with anxiety after you've been drinking and if and cannabis,

465
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,060
you don't give me high as hell.

466
00:33:35,060 --> 00:33:37,480
You don't wake up and go, oh, what did I say last night?

467
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Because whatever you said was ridiculous.

468
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:45,360
No, you probably sometimes over thought what you said or you were trying to speak your

469
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:51,440
thoughts like some of your didn't really want people to hear, but you were thinking of it.

470
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,440
It just slipped out.

471
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,440
Yeah.

472
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Yeah.

473
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:55,440
You have a tendency.

474
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,960
I mean, I do have a bit of a tendency to overthink things a little bit when I'm stoned.

475
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:03,760
But other than that, I mean, yeah, I don't.

476
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:07,600
That's not my go to.

477
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,920
My go to isn't to run my mouth and say stupid things or get myself into trouble.

478
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,360
And then like you said, I remember it.

479
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,160
I remember what I said the next day.

480
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:23,360
And I'd normally have much more meaningful conversations.

481
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,000
I went to I went to a party with a bunch of guys.

482
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Some Hawthorne sales reps were there.

483
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,800
My web developer was there.

484
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:38,840
And like some mammoth P reps were there and some guys that run some commercial cultivations

485
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,840
here in Michigan.

486
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,600
Like it was a good group of industry insiders that were there that evening.

487
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,840
And and I ended up sitting in this like we were downstairs.

488
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,360
Some people were playing pool.

489
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,280
We had this kind of Thanksgiving meal amongst friends.

490
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,720
My friend Casey throws this party.

491
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:03,040
And and and we had the quintessential stoner.

492
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,080
I was with a guy named John Burns and or not, John.

493
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,080
I'm sorry.

494
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,880
With this guy now.

495
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:15,000
And he works in the industry and we were all just blown out after a bunch of blunts and

496
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,000
a big meal.

497
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480
And we had this quintessential stoner conversation.

498
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,120
There was a couple other girls involved.

499
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:28,640
And we had all the you know, we talked about like conspiracy theory, like music, conspiracy

500
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,680
theories, like food, health, you know, like all the quintessential things you like to

501
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:35,960
talk about when you're high.

502
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,160
We had the origins of earth and religion and nobody started fighting each other.

503
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,160
It was beautiful.

504
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:42,840
It was it was it was amazing.

505
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,040
I really enjoyed it.

506
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,040
Yeah, I love those.

507
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,040
I love those days.

508
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,520
Those conversations and those type of people to hang out with instead of drunk and the

509
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,480
conversations are complaining about everything instead of kind of figure out how to fix a

510
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,480
problem.

511
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:57,480
Yeah, never.

512
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,160
Yeah, never fixing anything.

513
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Just bitching about it.

514
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Cool.

515
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:10,160
I want to ask you what actually got you into living soil, creating your own living soil?

516
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,080
I'm sure you tried a bunch of different techniques in your day.

517
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,760
I've tried a bunch of them, too.

518
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,640
And what led you down this path?

519
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:24,360
So I won.

520
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,320
OK, so.

521
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Years ago, I grew.

522
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,680
Indoors using liquid nutrients when I first began.

523
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Right.

524
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:47,280
And I started talking to some guys that had been outdoor guerrilla growers for a long time

525
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,720
and they've been doing it since Vietnam.

526
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,600
Right.

527
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:59,240
And so they introduced me to living soil because when you were guerrilla growing before, it

528
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:02,720
was legal here in Michigan.

529
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:07,040
You know, you go put your plants out in the woods and then you didn't want to be going

530
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:13,200
the way you get busted is the is the stamping down the trail out to your plants.

531
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,720
You know, the more time you spend around your plant, the more apt you are to get yourself

532
00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:20,360
into trouble and draw attention to it.

533
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,840
So you want to make the least number of trips to the woods.

534
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,560
So you're obviously not going to use cocoa and salt based nutrients.

535
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:28,560
Right.

536
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,560
The best way.

537
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,160
And also, you're transporting everything out there.

538
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,840
So you don't want to be transporting bottles and nutrients and everything else.

539
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:41,120
So if you could just take some water out there or get some water nearby and you know, you

540
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,760
put them on the edge of swamps, you could keep them pretty much moist.

541
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:48,680
I wicking through wicking up the moisture living soil.

542
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,680
You didn't have to keep going back out there.

543
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,760
And so these guys have been growing in living soil forever.

544
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:06,120
And so they they they introduced me to it and they recommended a book by the rev.

545
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,000
And now there's a two point of the book.

546
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,280
But at the time it was one point, oh, the revs true living organics.

547
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,400
They gave me some recipes and introduced me to the places where I could source the materials

548
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,600
here in Michigan.

549
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,280
Right.

550
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,760
In the same time frame, I was ending my relationship with alcohol and getting out of the bar business.

551
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,360
And and I had to change my careers.

552
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:40,520
And so an old friend of mine that used to score some weed from me in the bar business

553
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,040
called me up and he said, hey, I know you're looking for a new gig.

554
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,360
I have 70 tons of worm castings that I will front you.

555
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,680
Essentially, he didn't use the word front.

556
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,240
But essentially how it worked was they fronted me the money to buy the bags to sell the worm

557
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:00,280
castings and the worm castings.

558
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,760
If I formulated a way to sell them.

559
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:09,520
And so this was early on in the legalization phases of marijuana across the country.

560
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:15,600
And so so I went and they asked me to write a pro forma.

561
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,040
And I said, no problem.

562
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,860
And I came home and looked up what a pro forma was.

563
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:24,200
And I wrote a business plan for how I was intended to sell these worm castings by just

564
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:30,360
calling the guy that I bought my gear from here at Ultra Green Hydrobonics, how many

565
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,200
bags of worm has he sell a month at the time he sold one a day, he said on average.

566
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:39,520
And I multiplied that across the 225 hydro stores.

567
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:43,040
So I came up with what I thought I could potentially sell.

568
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:49,800
And so I started selling worm castings and I was working with a breeder called IDK Farms

569
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,640
based out of Conconny, Michigan.

570
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:57,120
These guys are also organic growers that also grew in living soil.

571
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:05,480
And and we started running their genetics and using different blends of living soil.

572
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:11,240
And we I was giving them worm castings for the living soil and they were giving me genetics.

573
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:21,920
And I entered a cannabis cup with IDK Farms and using what was the original incarnation

574
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:27,680
of Great Lakes Water only we will and we won a cannabis cup.

575
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,600
But I was only selling worm castings at the time.

576
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,160
I was using living soil to grow selling worm castings.

577
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:41,440
And so we won a cannabis cup and everybody was on me on how what we did.

578
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,800
Yeah, I won the how do you win the cup?

579
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,000
How do you win the cup?

580
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,600
Because subsequently we broke a record with high tax as well.

581
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,320
And so how do you win a cup?

582
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,320
How do you win the cup?

583
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:59,000
And we're just using soil and nobody believed in nobody believed in living soil at the time.

584
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,320
So a handful of people that were using my soil to me, there were people that were using

585
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:10,520
my soils to make actively organic compost or actively aerated compost teas and building

586
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:16,440
soil with it or putting it in their planting holes in their salt based runs.

587
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:22,080
All the guys that were building soils using my castings were raving about them and they

588
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,640
were all following kind of the rev truly organic method.

589
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:34,680
And so I had people starting to ask me for the for the for the recipe that we won the

590
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:35,680
cup with.

591
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,080
You know, everybody people were starting just very only like super hip dudes were running

592
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,640
living soil back then.

593
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,180
For the most part, it was frownable.

594
00:41:44,180 --> 00:41:49,600
So I took some money that that I had and it wasn't a lot.

595
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:55,440
And I made my first two skids of Great Lakes Water on living soil.

596
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,840
I had built and building it in a compost mixer in my garage.

597
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:07,480
And we I was taking burlap sacks and I made a stencil out of one of my posters and we

598
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,820
spray painted the logo on the burlap sacks.

599
00:42:10,820 --> 00:42:14,320
And I took it to a couple of stores that were hip on organics.

600
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,640
But nobody was doing that at the time.

601
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,480
I mean, at the time, advanced nutrients owned cannabis, right?

602
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,320
Like you think people they thought you were crazy.

603
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,880
So you had to go to people that understood farming.

604
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,520
So really, we were starting out in kind of rural areas outside of the city.

605
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,360
It was not popular here in Detroit at the time.

606
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,800
And so I was taking these burlap sacks out to people and like people were running it

607
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,980
and having great results and super happy.

608
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:49,320
And so I had the first two skids made when I inherited a little bit of money.

609
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,760
It was like, I don't know, fifteen hundred bucks I got or something.

610
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,840
I stretched it into two skids of soil and white plastic bags.

611
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,120
We didn't have labeled bags or anything.

612
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,520
And I took it to this huge conference here in Detroit.

613
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,940
And I had and I had some bags there and I was selling some and all these guys that were

614
00:43:07,940 --> 00:43:11,440
using my castings to build their own soil, they were coming out of there.

615
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,440
Oh, yeah.

616
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,840
You know, hey, you should try the living.

617
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,320
So, oh, no, I make my own.

618
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,320
They said.

619
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,600
And I so to like it was like maybe like 15 dudes.

620
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,440
I said, well, here, just take a bag in case you have a problem with your soil.

621
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,480
And you know, in the turning and composting and the making of living soil, as you well

622
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:35,880
know, there's many mistakes to be made if you don't do it well.

623
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:41,300
And so these guys over time would needed some soil and they would use my soil to seed.

624
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:45,840
And so over the course of a couple of years, all those guys ended up turning into my customers

625
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,160
that were building their own soil.

626
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:52,680
So we we gave it away and we were beating the doors down on stores and every and a lot

627
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:59,040
of the grow stores were poopooing it because you because if you sell somebody some cocoa

628
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:06,760
or some soil is medium and, you know, ABC line, you know, they're going to come back

629
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,560
for all the extra parts and they're going to have deficiencies.

630
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:11,560
You sell them way.

631
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:16,120
You make way more money on liquid nutrients than you do on living soil.

632
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,720
And they were worried if I saw them living soil and all they have to do is water it,

633
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:22,520
they're not going to come back for three months.

634
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,160
You know, we're not going to see them again.

635
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:30,560
You see, we couldn't get anybody to even stock it back then.

636
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,680
I mean, we had to fight.

637
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,120
So we we went.

638
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,200
I incorporated the help.

639
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,640
I finally started to sell some to some local outlaws here.

640
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,240
At the time, it was all gray market.

641
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:42,880
There was no legal dispensaries.

642
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:50,040
I mean, you know, you're from you know, and so some of the big a couple of really big

643
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,080
outlaws here in Detroit is they got they started and they realized they didn't have to pay

644
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:00,160
dudes to make new mixed nutrients and go be watered 100 times a day and all this other

645
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,160
stuff.

646
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,320
And so we got some guys to use it.

647
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,200
And I made enough money to where I brought in a few more agronomists and I brought in

648
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,960
a doctor that specialized in drainage and aeration.

649
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:20,520
And so we made what I thought and what I believe today is the best potting mix of soil because

650
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,000
it has the drainage and aeration and we end.

651
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,320
But it maintains the CEC value.

652
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:30,600
So we created a soil with the help of all these people, these old farmers from northern

653
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,240
Michigan that had been growing since now in this way.

654
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:39,360
And then we brought in some guys, some local guys that do the mixing and, you know, the

655
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,880
help of the bagging people to help get it so we could sell, you know, get it out.

656
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,100
We brought in all these people.

657
00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:49,760
We created what I believe is the perfect mix of soil.

658
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,280
And it's all based on that first cannabis cut wind.

659
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,040
You know, we just made it so it was more user friendly living soil, as you know, is moisture

660
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:05,480
attentive, so there's a learning curve when you come off soil as mediums and if we got

661
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:10,400
it as light as we could, we took out perlite because, you know, perlite floats up in a

662
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,120
lot of applications if you're trying to do no till.

663
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,200
So there's still some perlite in it, but we traded a lot of that out for cocoa and brown

664
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,240
bark and stuff like that.

665
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:22,280
And it maintains that it maintains that balance.

666
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,080
So it can go start to finish as long as you use some pot size properly.

667
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,320
And we incorporated dolomite lime so people don't even have to pH their soil.

668
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,320
I wanted to make it.

669
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:37,600
I mean, to me, a lot of the people that I'm friends with, these guys are old dudes and

670
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,840
they'll just grow themselves their own weed.

671
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,280
But they don't need it.

672
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:43,280
They don't want it.

673
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:44,280
They don't want it to be complicated.

674
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,400
They want it to be simple.

675
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,400
I just want to water the goddamn thing.

676
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,160
And so so we made it.

677
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,240
So we made a soil that people can honestly water from start to finish.

678
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:58,480
And then we kept on going back and entering cups and we we were on the strongest strains

679
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,560
in the universe with high times six times after that.

680
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,600
And we were winning regional cup after regional cup.

681
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,200
And the word started to spread.

682
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,960
And I started selling it online and I was selling it at farm markets and I was selling

683
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:12,960
it at events.

684
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,160
So people get it.

685
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,440
So they finally started beating down the door of the hydro store saying, listen, man, this

686
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:19,440
is what I use.

687
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,440
You should get it.

688
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,440
I'll buy it here.

689
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:27,560
And so we were able then to get into the hydro stores and and get the product out and get

690
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,560
knowledge out.

691
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:36,600
And then over time, now there's people, people saw the hustle in salt based nutrients, you

692
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,920
know, and they they kind of lean back to organics.

693
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,320
It's an organic plant.

694
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,200
Why do we want to think this is a healthy plant?

695
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,960
I think people are a little more health conscious now and, you know, especially home growers.

696
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,120
And so people are leaning back that direction.

697
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:57,160
And so it was easier than over time now to get people to carry it.

698
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,760
You know, now every lawn and garden centers got it.

699
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,760
But at one time they had people on those salt based nutrients.

700
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,760
They didn't want to ruin that bottle water money.

701
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,960
You know, thank God for Amazon, because Amazon killed a margin on nutrients.

702
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,120
I mean, it hurt a lot of growth stores because they've been making, you know, so much such

703
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,120
a margin on it.

704
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:23,120
But really, you know, there's a lot of money.

705
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,120
Yeah, I don't know.

706
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,640
I'm not talking disparagingly about any other style of growing, but people saw the logic

707
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,280
in just running a true living soil and then having an organic product that you don't have

708
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:39,480
to flush out at the end that has all the phenoceratistics, all the flavor profile that the plant is

709
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,480
supposed to have.

710
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,160
It's not over manipulated.

711
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,720
You're not in charge of this entire life.

712
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,320
You're not chasing down deficiencies or anything like that.

713
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,360
You just have to go in water the plant.

714
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,520
Not too much every few days.

715
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,320
Boom, Bob's your uncle.

716
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,040
You're done and you grew quality wheat.

717
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,040
Right.

718
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,040
Yep.

719
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,240
Before I met you and your product, I was using down to earth amendments on top.

720
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:04,800
No till that was just put them all on before.

721
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:09,680
After I transplanted and let it work itself in and do the same thing.

722
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,040
And it was a learning curve.

723
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:18,360
I had to deprogram myself in from that NPK salt nutrient based timing and stuff.

724
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:23,120
I want to explain to the listeners out there, why is this different?

725
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,400
How you need to only water it?

726
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:31,760
Why the plant will exhume or extract the correct nutrients at the right time because it has

727
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,480
a correlation with nature.

728
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,760
So you run through that for me.

729
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:39,960
Yeah.

730
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,840
So it's an entirely and that's the thing.

731
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:51,040
You have to realize that it's more than one way to skin a cat.

732
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,000
There's more than one way to grow a plant.

733
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,200
And so every plant on the planet, I didn't invent living soil.

734
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:01,280
It's not some newfangled idea that I just came up with.

735
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:10,080
Every plant on the planet was grown in living soil until 1912.

736
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,280
In 1912, the scientists of the world converged together.

737
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:22,120
They realized that we were approaching a billion people population earth.

738
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,080
The planet can only organically sustain one billion.

739
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:34,800
So at that point, they started looking for other ways to grow plants.

740
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:46,240
They moved away from living soil and they started to mind the Guano Islands and look

741
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:50,600
for other places to source nitrogen.

742
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:58,600
And so that led to the invention of the Uber Bosch machine.

743
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:06,440
And the Uber Bosch machine uses pressure and heat to remove our atmosphere is made of N3,

744
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,480
three atoms of nitrogen.

745
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:21,320
If you remove the N3, you can remove one nitrogen molecule from that and you can extract it

746
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:29,120
using heat and pressure and you can make synthetic nitrogen by extracting it from the atmosphere.

747
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:36,200
So in 1932, the machine that was invented that did that, there were huge battles.

748
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,760
Entire First World War was all about food.

749
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:46,400
Actually World War is really about food more than anything else.

750
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,440
The first naval battle of the First World War was not fought in Europe.

751
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:57,440
It was fought off the coast of Chile at the Guano Islands because they were trying to

752
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:02,840
get nitrogen from the Guano Islands, from the Bat Guano and the Sea Bird Guano.

753
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:08,960
And so there was so much need to feed these troops in these growing populations that they

754
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,840
started over mining the Guano Islands in Chile.

755
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,880
The first naval battle of the World War was set there.

756
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,240
So we learned how to manufacture nitrogen from thin air, which gives us the ability

757
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:24,800
to do two things humans like to do, eat and kill each other because that's what you make

758
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,800
ammunition from and that's how you grow food.

759
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,000
Shortly after that, we moved into the MPK based nutrients.

760
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:39,080
All they're doing is in a lab, they take down, they break down the macro micronutrients out

761
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:43,640
of organic amendments and then they attach them to hard salts.

762
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,080
And then they put them into this water solution.

763
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:52,560
And as you water your plant, the salts push the macro micronutrients in through the plant

764
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:56,960
root, which breaks down the plant root and forces the plant to uptake the food that you

765
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,340
give it at every stage of its life.

766
00:52:59,340 --> 00:53:07,320
So when you break down the plant root, now the plant goes, becomes not the person standing

767
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,780
in front of the refrigerator looking for what it wants to eat.

768
00:53:10,780 --> 00:53:13,400
It's more of a life, a person on life support.

769
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,880
You water the plant, you're forcing the food in.

770
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:21,560
So you, that's why you put the veg nutrient in, you put the bloom nutrient in because

771
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,480
you are in charge of that plant's entire diet.

772
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:28,720
The soil, the, the pro mix or the cocoa or whatever it is that you have your planet,

773
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,640
it's just holding the thing up.

774
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:34,960
It's a, it's something to pour the moisture through, right?

775
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:42,120
So you can grow plants a little faster, but you can grow more plants a year because you

776
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,680
can grow them a little faster that way.

777
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:48,720
And you don't have to, you don't have to comp like have fields full of compost that you

778
00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,340
need to make living soils.

779
00:53:50,340 --> 00:53:53,540
So that's what, how salt based nutrients work.

780
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:55,080
That's why they were invented.

781
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:01,960
Now the living soil, you have those same nutrients, but they're not in the macro micro form and

782
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,680
they're not attached to hard salts.

783
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,760
They're in their organic form.

784
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,000
And then you have compost in the soil as well.

785
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,560
And the compost has microbiology in it.

786
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,840
And that microbiology breaks down those amendments.

787
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:21,220
And as it breaks down those amendments, it creates plant available nutrients, right?

788
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:27,200
So you're just moistening the microbes and adding the little water for the plant.

789
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,000
You're not dousing your food across the roots.

790
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:37,660
Instead, the plant is sitting in everything it takes to create those nutrients, right?

791
00:54:37,660 --> 00:54:43,040
So as the microbes are breaking down the amendments and creating plant available nutrients, the

792
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,480
plant uptakes it, photosynthesis occurs.

793
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:52,200
A byproduct of photosynthesis is these natural sugars that are then expelled through the

794
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:56,480
still healthy roots of the plant.

795
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:03,100
When the sugars hit the soil, the microbes, sugars are micro multipliers.

796
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:05,280
So there's more microbes.

797
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,680
You're creating now more plant available food.

798
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,860
The plant's able to uptake it at every stage of its development.

799
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:17,960
Because as you've left that plant root intact, the plant is taking what it needs.

800
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,100
It's not taking whatever you feed it.

801
00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:27,120
So that's how, how can something work from clone or seed all the way through bloom?

802
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,160
How is that possible?

803
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:34,420
Because you're never forcing anything into it with salts, right?

804
00:55:34,420 --> 00:55:39,800
It's like formaldehyde pushes the nicotine through your cell walls into your blood.

805
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,800
Okay.

806
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,960
So think of the same kind of matrix for what those hard salts do for nutrients is it's

807
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,080
pushing it through that plant root in the process.

808
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:49,920
It's breaking down the root.

809
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:54,820
And so the root isn't able to decide what not to take at that point.

810
00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:59,460
And so with living soil, the plant is deciding what it wants to take.

811
00:55:59,460 --> 00:56:01,680
It's taking the parts it needs.

812
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:07,080
It's like when you're, if you, if you aggregate on like a whole food diet, if you get away

813
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:12,920
from a lot of processed food, you start to realize your, your body will tell you what

814
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:13,920
you need.

815
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,920
If you need salt, you'll find something salty.

816
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,360
If you need sugars, you'll find.

817
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:24,000
So the plant knows through veg and bloom, it knows what pieces of that soil it needs

818
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,380
to pull out.

819
00:56:25,380 --> 00:56:26,520
It's been doing this.

820
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:33,320
The marijuana plant's been on the planet for 2 million frigging years deciding, please

821
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,520
diesel, please.

822
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,920
It's been deciding what it wants to eat it.

823
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:43,600
Every it's been working this out through natural selection for 2 million years.

824
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,720
There is no way we've been synthesizing nutrients since the 1950s.

825
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:53,920
There's no way in 70 years, they figured out how to put everything that plant really wants.

826
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,000
So this marijuana plant, they can reach down into that soil during veg.

827
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:59,000
It knows what it needs.

828
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:00,320
It takes it out.

829
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,360
Everything's readily available to it.

830
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,800
And then as it goes into bloom, it knows what it needs and it starts pulling those parts

831
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:07,800
out.

832
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,200
And then it's also pulling stored nutrients that it put in its plant leaves out.

833
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,480
And it's using all that energy to create flowers and pitch, which is cannabis oil, right?

834
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,560
So we can collect pollen.

835
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,040
It's living its plant life the way plants are supposed to live.

836
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:27,000
But when you have all those nutrients in their organic form, there's all these little tiny

837
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,560
pieces and parts that they don't have in liquid nutrients.

838
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,280
And so when the plant has that all there, it's able to take it because the plant is

839
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,660
the plant that's been on the planet for 2 million years deciding what it needs.

840
00:57:39,660 --> 00:57:46,480
So because of that, using living soil, you can go start to finish without hurting the

841
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:47,840
plant because it's not hot.

842
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,560
It's not pushing anything in.

843
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,520
It's just providing it as opposed to the other matrix of growing, which is salt based nutrients

844
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,600
where you're forcing the nutrients at the plant, right?

845
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:03,120
So in this organic form, it's just taking what it needs at every step of the development.

846
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,120
That's how it can get all the way through.

847
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:09,600
And then you get those better flavor profiles and the better phenyl profiles because there's

848
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:16,680
these little tiny nutrients, micronutrients that are in the soil that just nobody's thought

849
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,180
to put in a bottle.

850
00:58:18,180 --> 00:58:21,040
So that's why you get that organic flavor.

851
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:26,420
That's why you get that really good smell, that really banging pow, you know, that's

852
00:58:26,420 --> 00:58:32,200
how you like if you read on Moscow's Raspberry Boogie, it's the inhale is supposed to be

853
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,300
piney and the exhale is Captain Crunch Berries.

854
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:40,760
And I swear I was sitting in the very room I'm sitting in right now after I'd done a

855
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,040
grow on like right when that strain came out and we we smoked it.

856
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,040
I grew it in living soil.

857
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:50,680
And when I exhale it, man, we all sat around, we were like, what is that flavor we had?

858
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,660
We couldn't figure out what that sweet berry flavor was.

859
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:57,440
And so I looked it up and it's that Kevin Cruncher.

860
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:58,440
That's what it was.

861
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:04,920
But you get that intense flavor profile because you're not forcing anything on the plant.

862
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:10,600
The plant is doing what it has been doing on this planet for two million years.

863
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:12,720
It's taken those pieces and parts out.

864
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,720
Right.

865
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,520
So you get the better flavor profile.

866
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,000
Also you have a healthier plant.

867
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:23,360
It's more vigorous against disease and infestation because there's chitin in the worm castings

868
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:28,520
is taking on all these different these different substances out of the compost that helps prevent

869
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,520
infestation.

870
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,360
It's not saying it's going to protect your plants from like you're not going to have

871
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:39,960
a spider mite free plant, but it's going to be less likely to have an infestation.

872
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,800
You have thicker cell walls.

873
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,640
You have more vigorous plants and then organically derived nitrogen creates thicker cell walls

874
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,640
on plants.

875
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:55,240
You have a more vigorous, healthy disease and insect resistant plant.

876
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:57,320
That is what you get out of living soil.

877
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,440
That's the difference.

878
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,120
That's how it differs from the salt based nutrients.

879
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,520
Now salt based nutrients.

880
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,080
If you need to grow more plants in a year.

881
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:12,200
So if you are running, I mean, we you and I both know I have some commercial facilities.

882
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,360
Harbor Farms here in Michigan are excellent company that I work with.

883
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,600
We've got some guys down in Oklahoma, Tegra, the farms runs our gear.

884
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:20,600
A couple other ones.

885
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:26,080
I mean, we've got dudes that run it, but it's more popular.

886
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:31,280
It's more popular that they're running rock wall and salt based nutrients because they

887
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,880
got to pay for all that money they spent on lux lights.

888
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:35,880
They have to.

889
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:39,520
Yeah, they have to bet the common trend with commercial grows.

890
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:43,840
It's a salt based rock wall based rock wall faster turnover.

891
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,500
Yeah, you get more.

892
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:49,120
You get a larger number of harvests a year.

893
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:56,640
Now, so when you hear as the yields, not the same, the yield per harvest is comparable.

894
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,880
It's the number of yields per year you can pull.

895
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,980
You can just force grows faster when you're shoving nutrients at it.

896
01:01:04,980 --> 01:01:05,980
And there's no shame in that.

897
01:01:05,980 --> 01:01:07,340
You know what I mean?

898
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:11,520
It's all in what you it's all in what your desired outcome is.

899
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:19,400
So to the home grower, when you're using living soil, you have, you know, you'd water less,

900
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,040
less maintenance, more disease resistant.

901
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:23,360
Easy.

902
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,280
You don't have to pH in order to do anything.

903
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,880
You don't have to get your pen out.

904
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:32,180
All you got to do is decorinate your water and then you get this fire organic product

905
01:01:32,180 --> 01:01:34,720
that you don't have to flush any any of that kind of stuff.

906
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:35,720
This is really easy.

907
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,360
Start to finish deal.

908
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,440
And then the product you get is fire.

909
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:43,640
I mean, it's so fire that we've gotten the accolades from High Times magazine.

910
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:44,920
And I'll say this.

911
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:49,380
I've never purchased an ad ever from High Times.

912
01:01:49,380 --> 01:01:50,520
We won the cup.

913
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,920
We've been in the magazine multiple times and we never gave them a dollar other than

914
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,800
our entry fees.

915
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,560
So it was these weren't bought.

916
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:00,560
This was back.

917
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:01,800
I don't know if it's a different.

918
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,800
I don't know.

919
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,000
I'm not saying that it's crooked.

920
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,220
I'm just saying everybody says, oh, you can buy a cannabis cup.

921
01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:11,400
If you can buy a cannabis cup, I got one for free somehow.

922
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,320
But, you know, we did.

923
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,120
We weren't purchasing anything.

924
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,380
The people spoke and we win a lot of regional awards because of the flavor.

925
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:25,160
And that all has to do with just not forcing anything at the plant, letting the plant grow.

926
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,800
It's you let the plant live its best life.

927
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,240
I've noticed a big difference in the flavor and everything.

928
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,880
The brief level is higher.

929
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:37,200
That's the sugar level in the plant to say the sugars break down the nutrients, help

930
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,880
it absorb.

931
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,000
It just makes the plant sweeter and taste better.

932
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,840
Same with your fruits and vegetables, too.

933
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:50,000
If you're one to grow some tomatoes, you want to grow some herbs, you can use this soil

934
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,680
also to enhance the flavor of your basil.

935
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,360
Yeah, anything else grows just as well.

936
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,200
It's not just for cannabis.

937
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,400
It is something you can use for everything.

938
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,000
Hey, we're going to have to take another break here.

939
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,800
Go to a little commercial and then we'll come back and compare it to what a super soil is.

940
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,240
What you can do with the seeds.

941
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,960
I can germinate the seeds in your soil, but there's other soils out there that I can't

942
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,320
germinate them in because they're too harsh and too strong and they're not the same.

943
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:21,880
I want to explain the difference between a super soil, a living soil.

944
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,480
And then I had a couple other things there.

945
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,640
I know people always want to add stuff.

946
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:28,960
What can they use to amend your soil?

947
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:34,000
We talked about the worm casting, which I think you have it labeled as a vermicompost.

948
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,280
It might confuse people.

949
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:41,200
So if you see vermicompost, that is the same thing as the earthworm castings, but it's

950
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,140
a little bit better than just raw castings, I believe.

951
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:48,620
Maybe you can explain that and why they should look out for that.

952
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:52,120
And then what are some signs with the living soil?

953
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:58,600
If you do overdo it, you have an Epsom salt spray remedy in case something happens and

954
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,960
what to look out for.

955
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:04,520
I have a couple of people I consult now that are running the soil and they're running it

956
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,200
hot or running LEDs.

957
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:12,320
And there's a little bit difference with the learning curve with LEDs and the old HPS lights.

958
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:16,640
We'll run over that just a little bit and we'll be right back.

959
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,640
Thanks, Tommy.

960
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:18,640
Sounds good.

961
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,240
Would you like to grow your own cannabis at home?

962
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:24,360
Are you able to now because it's legal in your state?

963
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,920
Are you intimidated by the prices of seeds and worry if you can't even get the seeds

964
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:29,340
to germinate?

965
01:04:29,340 --> 01:04:33,340
Are you worried it may be a waste of money and time to even try?

966
01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:36,480
This is how I felt when I first started growing for myself.

967
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,220
Hundreds of dollars were spent and wasted because of my inexperience.

968
01:04:40,220 --> 01:04:41,880
Some of them got overwatered.

969
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,080
Some of them were burnt by hot soil.

970
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,160
Some didn't have the right environment and conditions to survive.

971
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:52,040
If this is the case and you are hesitating to purchase seeds, for a limited time, Little

972
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:57,400
Farmer is offering 50 random seeds from his personal collection for only $50.

973
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,180
That is 50 seeds for only $1 each.

974
01:05:01,180 --> 01:05:06,540
Prices for seeds start around $10 and some people charge even more than that.

975
01:05:06,540 --> 01:05:11,180
This is a great way to get a lot of seeds without having to spend a lot of money.

976
01:05:11,180 --> 01:05:14,600
This is a great chance for all those who are intimidated by the prices and don't have

977
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:18,640
to worry about failing on their first attempt for germination.

978
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,060
This is also a great opportunity to see what goes well in your environment.

979
01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:27,180
As we all know, some strains will grow better in different regions due to the climate and

980
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:31,640
you will be able to see what thrives in your area with the variety that you will receive.

981
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,720
These packs are good for experienced growers as well as I have received nothing but great

982
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,680
feedback thus far.

983
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:45,760
Some strains included consist of Blue Dream, Gelato, Gelato Cake, Vanilla Haze, Head Smack,

984
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:55,080
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985
01:05:55,080 --> 01:06:01,000
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986
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,280
To get your hands on these packs you will need to head over to the Little Farmer website

987
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:15,000
at www.littlefarmer.com and put in an order.

988
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:19,760
While there you can browse other items available including the Tree Lock Box to carry around

989
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,960
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990
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:29,340
Hidden in the box is a pipe, a grinder, a container for your herb, a lighter and two

991
01:06:29,340 --> 01:06:32,800
handy tools to help you prepare your herbs and your hash.

992
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,800
My favorite thing about the box is the tray that you can use to break up your herb while

993
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,560
preparing it for consumption.

994
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,280
It is hard to spill and easy to clean up.

995
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,840
I don't travel anywhere without mine.

996
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:48,520
Finally, if you need any consulting for your home growing needs please contact Little Farmer

997
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,360
from his website's Contact Us page by leaving a message.

998
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:56,560
We can help you with your lighting, growing mediums and other growing questions because

999
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,120
I not only sell seed but I help you grow them too.

1000
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:04,480
Make sure to take advantage of these seed prices while they last because they won't

1001
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,440
last long.

1002
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,480
And now back to the show.

1003
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:15,240
Alright everybody, we're back with Tommy from Detroit Nutrient Company and we're talking

1004
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:21,380
about his living soil and why living soil is superior to other forms of growing.

1005
01:07:21,380 --> 01:07:25,760
Not to knock anybody else to each their own but this is just what we prefer because of

1006
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:31,000
the taste, the flavor and the outcome might take a little bit longer and it's harder for

1007
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:37,920
people to learn because they're so used to feeding them different nutrients.

1008
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:44,000
And what are some things you can suggest to people if they want to add amendments to your

1009
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,680
soil or if they want to add anything, what can they add without overdoing it?

1010
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:53,440
I know some microbes, there are a couple companies that you like.

1011
01:07:53,440 --> 01:08:04,600
You can use, on my website I have the recipes for actively aerated compost teas which just

1012
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:12,720
uses organic amendments like sea bird and bat guano and some worm castings and a little

1013
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:19,840
bit of molasses and some fish emulsion and some alfalfa meal.

1014
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:25,680
And then you bubble it for 72 hours and it makes a great compost tea that you would use

1015
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:31,440
like in bloom and that's going to help add a little bit of yield and it's going to help

1016
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:34,360
add microbes to the soil to grow bigger plants.

1017
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:39,240
So I've seen a couple of your tutorial videos where you actually show people firsthand how

1018
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:40,240
to do it.

1019
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,600
Yeah, so the videos will show you how to do them.

1020
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:48,140
That's my number one, you know, that's what I would say is going to be your best additive.

1021
01:08:48,140 --> 01:08:54,280
You can top dress with a little sea bird guano around week four of flower.

1022
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:57,660
That'll add some frost to your plants.

1023
01:08:57,660 --> 01:09:04,880
You can use like mammoth pea at half of the recommended soil dosage.

1024
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:10,080
So like never really more than 0.3 mils per gallon.

1025
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:15,060
You can use there's, you know, there's some other good teas on them like pre-made teas

1026
01:09:15,060 --> 01:09:21,080
that you mix up that you can use, you know, like the HTG stump tea is really popular.

1027
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:23,120
People use that with it.

1028
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:28,720
There's, you know, there's a lot of stuff and we put our phone number on every bag and

1029
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,880
I answer the phone when people call.

1030
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:37,280
So if there's something that you, you know, you can use fish with it.

1031
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:43,480
And if you're going to use something, you can call me and say, hey, Tommy, you know,

1032
01:09:43,480 --> 01:09:45,640
is this would this work well with the soil?

1033
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:47,280
And I'll answer the question.

1034
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:52,680
The thing is, is if you do that, I'm going to ask you what your desired result is, because

1035
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:57,280
sometimes people just want to add stuff because they got free free samples, something, you

1036
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:58,760
know, and they're like, I want to use this.

1037
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:01,800
I'm like, it's not going to do what you want it to do.

1038
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,280
So are you could, I guess, use it, but maybe you don't.

1039
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:11,360
And so so I mean, ultimately, I feel like the soil works really well front to back water

1040
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,600
only.

1041
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:18,900
And if you want to add some teas, that would be my recommendation, you know, ultimately.

1042
01:10:18,900 --> 01:10:22,320
And then there are some other products you can use if you want, you know, I guess that

1043
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:26,240
little man with fear, real growers recharge if you want to push you a little bit, but

1044
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:27,240
don't overdo it.

1045
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:28,240
A little ketchup is good.

1046
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:29,240
A lot is better.

1047
01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,400
Never more than half the recommended dosage.

1048
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:37,480
And what are some signs of over overfeeding?

1049
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:42,120
The first thing you'll notice on the leaves, it'll turn purple and lock you out.

1050
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,120
Purple.

1051
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,120
Yeah.

1052
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:53,920
Like if you go overboard, we did it one time with with mammoth microbes and dark green

1053
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:57,080
towards the purple leaves like that dark green purple.

1054
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,080
Yeah.

1055
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:00,000
And then like New York tree color.

1056
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,000
Yep.

1057
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:07,840
And and and you'll see if you're overwatering, like it's like not even using additives.

1058
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:13,400
If you're older, if you see yellow blotches on your leaf surface, that's a sign of overwatering.

1059
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,320
Like I said, compost is moisture attentive.

1060
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:21,360
The molecules of moisture are the compost has like a like almost like a natural silicone,

1061
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,900
which adheres to the compost, the molecules of moisture.

1062
01:11:25,900 --> 01:11:27,840
And so it holds water deep.

1063
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,640
And so if you overwater, you never really want to water living soil more than seven

1064
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,640
percent of your soil volume about every three days.

1065
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,040
So because you're not pouring your nutrients across the plant roots, it holds the water

1066
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:43,620
longer.

1067
01:11:43,620 --> 01:11:48,920
And so the work like the biggest mistake made in living soils overwatering.

1068
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:54,600
And so you'll see like yellow blotches on on green leaves.

1069
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:59,240
And that's how you can tell you have an anaerobic pocket in your root zone.

1070
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:04,600
And you know, plants need oxygen to trans to to move that those nutrients.

1071
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:11,320
And so when it gets too wet, you get a set of wet feet, you know, rot, whatever.

1072
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,520
It's just an anaerobic root zone.

1073
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,040
And and so don't overwater.

1074
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,320
That's something to look for.

1075
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:25,040
So the conundrum with the living soil, it is hydrophobic, which means it doesn't like

1076
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:26,040
water.

1077
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:31,200
So when you first water it, it it puddles up on the top or it kind of runs through to

1078
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:33,440
the bottom really quick.

1079
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:36,440
This is something that catches people off guard.

1080
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:40,280
I've heard you talk about creating a little bowl so the water can sit there and slowly

1081
01:12:40,280 --> 01:12:41,280
seep in.

1082
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:46,320
I know if you use a cloth pot, it can run out the sides of the cloth pot because of

1083
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,760
the hydrophobia.

1084
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:50,880
Just something to look out for.

1085
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,920
So it's organic.

1086
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:56,760
Pete Pete in its organic form is hydrophobic.

1087
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:02,280
So like when you see like pro mix, this is Pete Moss, but they put a they put a synthetic

1088
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,280
wetting agent in.

1089
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:08,640
So we want to keep it organic and organic wetting agents like Yucca and stuff like that.

1090
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:09,640
They're really expensive.

1091
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,300
So the price of the soil would be through the roof.

1092
01:13:12,300 --> 01:13:15,240
And so we we just kept it simple.

1093
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:19,880
And you know, you can add if you're not super insanely organic, you can add a couple of

1094
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,080
drops of Dawn dish soap.

1095
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,440
It'll help break that to the water.

1096
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:26,160
It'll help break the hydrophobia.

1097
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,760
I like to, like I said, build a little bowl.

1098
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:33,920
I disrupt the surface, the static charge on the surface of the soil with my fingertips.

1099
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:38,100
And then I water, you know, if in a seven gallon pot, you're going to water two quarts

1100
01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:39,680
every third day.

1101
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,880
So I water a half a quart to every plant.

1102
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:48,500
And then once it starts to take the water, then I go back through and you can more quickly.

1103
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:52,040
You just have to let it absorb in a little bit.

1104
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:55,260
And it's that is just organic, Pete.

1105
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:59,800
And so if you let it drain down into the saucer at the bottom, after you've watered a couple

1106
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,400
of times, it's going to wick it back up anyways.

1107
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,160
So just water slowly is really the best defense against that.

1108
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:11,840
And you could or you could add Yucca or something like that to your water.

1109
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:16,560
You use a hydro pots with these also that automatically waters them when it gets to

1110
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,120
a certain moisture level.

1111
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:22,840
Yeah, so I use I use auto pots at micro.

1112
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:30,320
And so auto pots is a wick watering system, you know, keeps some water in the dish at

1113
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,680
the bottom and it takes what it needs throughout the plants.

1114
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:38,040
And I know you have more experience with auto flowers than I do.

1115
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:39,600
We talked about that a little bit.

1116
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,520
I don't have much experience at all.

1117
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:47,480
I do have somebody I'm consulting using your soil and he's running auto flowers.

1118
01:14:47,480 --> 01:14:54,040
Is there any difference in using auto flower or smaller pot smaller for auto?

1119
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:57,160
Yeah, you can use a three gallon pot for an auto flower.

1120
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:01,840
OK, you know, if you're going to do a four week veg on a photo, you want to use a five

1121
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:02,840
gallon pot.

1122
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:08,920
I recommend about a gallon a week of veg, not a week of total plant life per week of

1123
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:09,920
veg.

1124
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:14,280
If you're going to do a four week veg that we say the five gallon pot, you're going to

1125
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,640
do eight week veg, we say the seven gallon pot.

1126
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:23,480
If you're going to do a 12 week veg, we say about a 10 gallon pot, you know, and then

1127
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:26,640
you only water at seven percent of that soil volume.

1128
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,400
But for autos, you can get away with autos.

1129
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,520
You can get away with three gallon pots all day long.

1130
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:31,520
Yeah.

1131
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:38,080
So I always tell people just getting getting the routine of picking up the pot a little

1132
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:43,560
bit, if they're hand watering or if they're using any other system to just pick it up

1133
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:45,040
and see how heavy it is.

1134
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:51,080
And over time, they'll they'll figure out the weight by a deal and just keep doing that.

1135
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:57,320
And you also had a remedy or some kind of recommendation with Epsom salt and Epsom salt

1136
01:15:57,320 --> 01:15:58,320
spray.

1137
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:03,520
And what does that so so Epsom salt Epsom salt is not actually salt.

1138
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:09,000
Epsom salt comes from the Epsom mines in the UK and they just call it Epsom salt.

1139
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:14,320
And it's it's basically magnesium and sulfur.

1140
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:15,320
Right.

1141
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:18,640
And so.

1142
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:26,880
When plants are uptaking nutrients, there's a three way fight for potassium, calcium and

1143
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,760
magnesium.

1144
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:33,800
And in that three way competition, magnesium is the most apt to lose.

1145
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:40,720
So you already plants have a hard time taking up magnesium to begin with.

1146
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,200
So you can have a pot full of magnesium.

1147
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,560
You can have enough magnesium in your soil.

1148
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:52,960
But in that competition, the magnesium is suffering is working its hardest to get there.

1149
01:16:52,960 --> 01:17:05,000
So now, if you want to really add flavor and smell to your plants, to your finished product,

1150
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:09,960
I recommend and also it helps offset kind of some of the problems that LED lights cause

1151
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,640
people.

1152
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:17,280
So but I'll explain how it just in general adds.

1153
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:25,400
So sulfur is what creates the flavor and the smell of your flower.

1154
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:30,760
Magnesium helps assist the plant to break down the sulfur.

1155
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:36,280
So we have a I recommend you do a foliar spray.

1156
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,640
You only do it a couple of times in the plant's life.

1157
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,680
You do it every about every three to four weeks before flowers form.

1158
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,600
So depending on how long you veg, you know, it's usually only twice.

1159
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:52,400
You do it once when you're about five notes high and then you do it once at flip.

1160
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,960
And that's and you should be good to go.

1161
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,840
But it's a magnesium.

1162
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,480
It's an Epsom salt foliar spray.

1163
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,300
So Epsom salt is magnesium and sulfur.

1164
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:03,520
You take two tablespoons of Epsom salt.

1165
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,520
Shit.

1166
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:06,400
This is that this is the call I got to take.

1167
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,400
OK, man.

1168
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:10,520
All right, everyone, we're back after a little break here.

1169
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:11,520
Tommy had to answer the phone.

1170
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,700
He's a man of his word.

1171
01:18:12,700 --> 01:18:17,840
He always answers the phone if you reach out to him.

1172
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:23,740
We were talking about your foliar spray recipe with Epsom salt.

1173
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:29,360
And you're about to mention how many tablespoons per gallon and then the reason why you get

1174
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,040
deficiencies with LED lights in certain soil bases.

1175
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:34,040
Yeah.

1176
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,040
Yeah.

1177
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:42,360
So, yeah, as I was saying, so the Epsom salt foliar spray is going to add smell and flavor.

1178
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:48,120
To your flower, because you're you're adding the sulfur and the magnesium that it takes

1179
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:49,440
to break down the sulfur.

1180
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:53,160
And as that sulfur breaks down, that's where your smell and flavor comes from.

1181
01:18:53,160 --> 01:19:02,000
So also under an LED light, you have the same amount of light with a lower leaf surface

1182
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,080
temperature.

1183
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,640
And because of that, you have lower plant precipitation.

1184
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,320
So if you're running LEDs, A, you want to run your temperatures a little warmer.

1185
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:21,200
And B, if you use that Epsom salt foliar spray, like I said earlier in that competition for

1186
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,040
uptake, magnesium is what generally loses.

1187
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:30,520
If you do that foliar spray as opposed to a drench, that's not that the soil is deficient

1188
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:31,520
on magnesium.

1189
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,920
It's that the plants not uptaking able to uptake it.

1190
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:39,840
So if you do that foliar spray, you're adding the magnesium to the plant right where it

1191
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,200
needs.

1192
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:48,740
So that offsets that that leaf surface temperature problem for the, you know, the plant to mobilize

1193
01:19:48,740 --> 01:19:50,960
the nutrients.

1194
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:55,280
You're offsetting that by putting the magnesium right where the plant needs it, where the

1195
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,640
flowers are going to form when you do those foliar sprays.

1196
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:03,200
So and the recipe for it is really, really simple.

1197
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,520
Two tablespoons Epsom salt to a gallon of water.

1198
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,320
I usually put the water in a little warm and it helps dissolve the Epsom salt faster, it

1199
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:13,440
seems like.

1200
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:17,520
And then I let it fall back to room temperature before I apply it.

1201
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,200
And like any foliar spray you do, you want to make sure you do it right before lights

1202
01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:27,280
off because when you do a foliar spray, you're making, you know, little magnifying glasses

1203
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,000
on your leaf surface temperatures.

1204
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,200
You could burn your leaf surface.

1205
01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:38,680
So two tablespoons of Epsom salt to a gallon of water.

1206
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:43,840
Dissolve it room temperature, foliar spray right before lights off.

1207
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:48,360
And that is going to help offset that kind of magnesium deficiency, those purple stems

1208
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,960
that you'll see under LED lights.

1209
01:20:51,960 --> 01:20:53,320
Gotcha.

1210
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,520
And you also mentioned no chlorine in the water.

1211
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,440
That's pretty important with the living soils because it'll kill the microbes.

1212
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:02,440
Yeah.

1213
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:11,480
I mean, you know, you should be dechlorinating your water no matter what kind of soil you're

1214
01:21:11,480 --> 01:21:12,480
using.

1215
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:14,760
And every time you water, you should be dechlorinated.

1216
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:20,320
So the other question that I remember you speaking about, I wanted to ask you was that

1217
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:26,440
some city water is chlorine and you can let it sit for a little bit and it dissipates.

1218
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:31,120
You have some other cities that use a different chlorine mixture of something.

1219
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,120
I can't remember.

1220
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:33,120
Chloramine.

1221
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,120
Okay.

1222
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:37,200
And the chloramine, no matter how long you let it sit, it will stay in the water.

1223
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:38,200
Doesn't dissolve.

1224
01:21:38,200 --> 01:21:39,200
Yeah.

1225
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,280
So if you have this type of water and you think it's chlorine, you're letting it sit

1226
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:43,280
out.

1227
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:48,800
Make sure you get your city water source information to see what they're good.

1228
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:54,040
You can Google your county generally and ask the question, does whatever county you live

1229
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:55,920
in use chlorine or chloramine?

1230
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:59,920
And you can generally find that information with a quick Google search.

1231
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:00,920
So yeah, that's good information.

1232
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:02,200
A lot of people didn't know about that.

1233
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:03,200
I didn't know about that.

1234
01:22:03,200 --> 01:22:07,320
And so I heard you talking into a Nortges Nursery in Winchester.

1235
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:08,320
Yep.

1236
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:13,240
Here, you grab one of those cheap filters from the hydro store and they pull out just

1237
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:17,120
chlorine and you know, RSO filters or whatever.

1238
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:18,120
Yeah.

1239
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:22,920
I mean, you can get the cheap filters or you could get an RSO system.

1240
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:24,240
Cool.

1241
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:25,640
Thanks for that information.

1242
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,420
Other than that, we were talking about super soil.

1243
01:22:29,420 --> 01:22:33,000
Some people get super soil and living soil confused.

1244
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:38,840
Super soil is just packed with nutrients and it's not the microbial life is what I'm understanding.

1245
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:45,440
I've tried to germinate some seeds in my beginning days and some super soil and it burned the

1246
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:46,440
roots.

1247
01:22:46,440 --> 01:22:52,240
It's not soft enough for the germination or seeds when you transplant them.

1248
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:53,400
Did you explain the difference?

1249
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,000
Is it just the microbial difference in the soil?

1250
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:06,920
So a super soil is just an amended soil where they just put compost and amendments in there.

1251
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:10,000
There isn't, it's not balanced like a living soil.

1252
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,600
So it doesn't have the, it doesn't have the C, C value.

1253
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:18,920
It doesn't have the correct amount of compost to amendments.

1254
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:24,120
It is actually just loaded up to get you through bloom is more what super soil is.

1255
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:30,440
It's like the super soil that everybody is familiar with is really sub cools recipe,

1256
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:37,480
which has some salt in it and worm castings and you're basically building a nutrient charge

1257
01:23:37,480 --> 01:23:40,440
to feed the plant through bloom.

1258
01:23:40,440 --> 01:23:47,600
But it's not able, it's not, it doesn't have the compost ratio balanced out to where it

1259
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,760
can support the life of the plant.

1260
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:52,760
Does that make sense?

1261
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,880
Yeah, that makes sense to me.

1262
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,980
You're putting, you're putting heat in and it's more for a mature plant.

1263
01:23:58,980 --> 01:24:02,640
You can't germinate seeds in it like you can in living soil.

1264
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:10,600
So it's just, it's, it's hotter and it's not built, it's built to go X amount of time during

1265
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:11,600
bloom.

1266
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:12,600
It's not built.

1267
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,680
It's not a living soil where it's balanced.

1268
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:21,000
And so, and that's where like, and to be honest with you, the original recipe for the soil,

1269
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,360
I'm, you know, we just went by what some dudes told us.

1270
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,680
Like I didn't, I didn't know how it worked or anything like that.

1271
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,240
And like, so I went with the outline of what I'd heard.

1272
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:38,920
And, and then, like I said, you read a couple of books and you start to understand more

1273
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:39,920
about it.

1274
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:45,160
And I really, I mean, I work with some really, really sharp agronomists.

1275
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:52,520
They've been in the field doing this thing for since 82.

1276
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:59,920
I worked with them to create this soil that I could guarantee was going to grow healthy

1277
01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:00,920
plants.

1278
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:04,600
And, and, you know, it was important to us that everybody was safe and healthy and it

1279
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,280
was easy to use.

1280
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:13,440
And so, I mean, the original incarnation of the soil was, was based around just, you know,

1281
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:14,440
knowledge.

1282
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:18,520
And then, and then I worked with a lot of professionals to get really the balance in

1283
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:23,200
the soil so that you can get like, I think it's called Kiss is, is one of those where

1284
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,880
you put it at the bottom of the pot and then you have to put a seed starter on top.

1285
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:29,680
That's a super soil.

1286
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,280
We sell a start to finish living soil.

1287
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,280
Yeah, it's something I germinate my seeds in.

1288
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:39,760
I was totally impressed first time.

1289
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:45,120
It was like you said, I didn't really have to amend at all.

1290
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:48,560
I used it to second around and I started amending after that.

1291
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:49,560
Excuse me.

1292
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:55,160
I had a question with the auto flower and your recommendation for the three gallon pot.

1293
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:59,080
I have a friend who did the seven gallon pot and his plants are really short and you thought

1294
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:00,120
they were stunted.

1295
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:04,520
Is that something that would create shorter batter auto flower plants?

1296
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:09,720
Or is that more of a genetic thing you would think that would be a genetic thing?

1297
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:10,720
Yeah.

1298
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:11,720
The super soil.

1299
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:14,920
I mean, people slay it with autos in super soil.

1300
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,680
So and I think like, you know, I'm an old school guy.

1301
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:24,360
So I'm one of those guys that's like, I don't trust the genetics on auto flowers to begin

1302
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:25,960
with.

1303
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,360
You know, just like I don't trust the genetics on feminized seeds as much.

1304
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:34,960
I know it's like trick it up north, though, to get a couple more rounds in the in the

1305
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,960
year because up north, it's a little shorter season, colder.

1306
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:38,960
Yeah.

1307
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:39,960
I'm all for it.

1308
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:40,960
Like, don't get me wrong.

1309
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:41,960
I'm not against it.

1310
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:46,440
I just don't trust the genetics to be a stable.

1311
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:47,440
I'm not.

1312
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:48,520
But you know, whatever.

1313
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,440
That's an old but I'm not saying that like I'm not bashing.

1314
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:54,080
You know, don't blow up my email.

1315
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,600
I'm bashing on auto flowers.

1316
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:58,720
I'm saying I'm an old head and it's the stability.

1317
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,240
I just don't think auto flowers are as stable.

1318
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:06,080
And because I see a lot of variation, genetic variations on auto flowers.

1319
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,960
I mean, you're paying 10 bucks for a seed, right?

1320
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:09,960
Yeah.

1321
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,760
I agree with you.

1322
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,480
I don't knock anybody who does.

1323
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:18,560
I don't knock anybody who tries to grow no matter how they're going.

1324
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,560
Yeah.

1325
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:21,560
I mean, I think it's.

1326
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:22,560
Yeah.

1327
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:23,560
And I know guys that slay it.

1328
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:24,560
They love doing it.

1329
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:25,560
A lot of hobbyists.

1330
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:26,560
It's a great way.

1331
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:29,840
You don't have to worry about light timers and all that other stuff.

1332
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,920
You know, it makes it takes a lot of the guesswork out.

1333
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:33,920
But.

1334
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,560
But I just think that that I just don't think there's the stability in the genetics for

1335
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:40,320
the phenyl characteristics.

1336
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:46,080
So sometimes you get those short stubby ones or, you know.

1337
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,080
I think that you get it.

1338
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:54,040
I mean, I see it in box farm and I see it in a pro mix with, you know, salt, bassoon.

1339
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,720
It happens.

1340
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:56,720
Well, cool.

1341
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,520
Well, thanks for all the information today, Tommy.

1342
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:00,560
I know you're a busy man.

1343
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:05,240
It was a little hard trying to get us all lined up with the zoom and the technology.

1344
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:08,200
I had a bunch of apps.

1345
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,080
I got a new excuse me.

1346
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:14,120
I just recently got a new laptop.

1347
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:18,280
So I haven't used zoom on this laptop since I got it.

1348
01:28:18,280 --> 01:28:22,760
And I just like, you know, you don't put that together when we were starting to when I was

1349
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,960
trying to connect with you and I was like, oh, geez, I got to download the app and do

1350
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:26,960
all the stuff.

1351
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,320
So I don't have a day, but we got it in.

1352
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,420
I don't have a zoom account pay account.

1353
01:28:32,420 --> 01:28:34,720
So it's only 45 minute time limits on the.

1354
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:39,640
So by the time we get connected and do the talk and get it set up, I have to do like

1355
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:42,320
three parts to get to get it all in.

1356
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:48,360
And I go back and edit it all myself and get it all ready that way.

1357
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:54,480
But your advice was great today for those people out there drinking and looking for

1358
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:56,640
a change.

1359
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,240
Seek some help.

1360
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:00,680
Talk to somebody.

1361
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:06,800
I know and you know that most people who consume a lot of alcohol aren't honest with their

1362
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,200
doctors either about their consumption or worse.

1363
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,560
They just don't go to their doctors that too.

1364
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:18,640
And it's something that you should really talk to them, especially if they're going

1365
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:22,720
to give you and prescribe you medication for depression.

1366
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:27,560
If you're depressed and one of your main culprits is probably in the bottle that you're holding

1367
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,560
most of the time.

1368
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:33,080
And then you start mixing them and your doctor doesn't know it's not a good mix.

1369
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:34,720
No.

1370
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:39,600
And one of the big things too is just my advice is change the people you're hanging out with.

1371
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:44,200
And you really can't hang out with the people you used to party with and expect them to

1372
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:50,240
be on the same level you are and have them not offer you a drink every two minutes.

1373
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:56,640
Well that's I think for many people and especially, you know, people in small towns where the

1374
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:59,080
majority drink like, you know, we're here in Michigan.

1375
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:03,120
I'm not in the mountains, but up here in Michigan, in northern Michigan, you know, you have a

1376
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:07,640
lot of smaller small towns that, you know, it's cold in the wintertime and drinking becomes

1377
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:10,080
a pastime is generational.

1378
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,800
And a lot of times like my case, I come from a family of drinkers.

1379
01:30:13,800 --> 01:30:18,880
And so it has to be something you want to do for yourself and honestly does.

1380
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:23,040
And I would hope I can tell you that if you do it, you won't regret it, but it takes a

1381
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:24,960
while to come to that realization.

1382
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:25,960
Yeah.

1383
01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:27,760
When it does, it hits hard.

1384
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:36,880
And the same way grandfather, uncle, uncle's family, just drinking a lot, liver problems.

1385
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,560
And I just didn't want to go that way.

1386
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:45,880
And I've seen many, many bad issues and bad problems just stemming from alcohol use and

1387
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:47,920
just wanted to avoid it.

1388
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,800
And thanks for sharing your story with everybody today.

1389
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,640
I know it wasn't easy and some people need to hear that out there.

1390
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:59,960
And that's what I'm trying to get out and normalize the herb.

1391
01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:06,200
It could be something to people that they can fall back on, but it's not a miracle drug,

1392
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:07,200
you said.

1393
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:08,200
So it's not going to help with everybody.

1394
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:14,920
The best help is talking to somebody and seeking help from friends and family instead of turning

1395
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:15,920
them away.

1396
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:16,920
Yeah.

1397
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:23,920
Honestly, it's get eight hours of sleep, get some physical, get off of the sofa, go outside,

1398
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,720
you know, better healthier diet.

1399
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:26,720
Yep.

1400
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:27,720
Yeah.

1401
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,040
Stare away from all the sugar.

1402
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,440
Remember caffeine and sugars drugs as well.

1403
01:31:32,440 --> 01:31:34,080
And they have an effect on your body.

1404
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:41,360
You should be drinking at least 64 ounces of water a day at minimum, you know, and you

1405
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,520
those things, everybody laughs that off.

1406
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,200
But that is that will cheer you up.

1407
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,200
That'll make you feel better.

1408
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,440
Get some exercise or make you feel better.

1409
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:51,400
Get get eight hours of sleep.

1410
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:52,840
It'll make you feel better.

1411
01:31:52,840 --> 01:31:56,980
And if all of that would, you know, if all that doesn't do some meditation, sit with

1412
01:31:56,980 --> 01:31:59,760
yourself in a quiet room for a while.

1413
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:04,400
And then if you need to get some stuff off your chest, like there's no point in carrying

1414
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:07,040
that load any longer than you have to all by yourself.

1415
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:11,120
I carried a lot of weight all alone for a long time, man.

1416
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,400
And it was it was killing me.

1417
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,600
And I would encourage anybody that's doing that.

1418
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,760
Like, don't do it to yourself.

1419
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:22,440
I mean, it's hard when you're in the throes of addiction to hear that.

1420
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:23,440
It's worth it.

1421
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:24,440
Yes, sir.

1422
01:32:24,440 --> 01:32:28,320
Some people need to hear the truth, man.

1423
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,120
Your products are available in Virginia.

1424
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:32,120
Oklahoma.

1425
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:36,360
You're here in Colorado, Michigan, for sure.

1426
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,360
Your website.

1427
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:43,080
Your website has a a spot where you can locate.

1428
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,840
Just put in your zip code and a radius.

1429
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:49,080
It'll tell you the local local store that has your products.

1430
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:50,920
You can order it online also.

1431
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:51,920
Amazon Prime.

1432
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:55,880
I know here here in Colorado.

1433
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:57,600
I haven't seen it on the shelves.

1434
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,680
I've been trying to help you get on the shelves.

1435
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:01,560
The market here is pretty fixed.

1436
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:05,460
The companies on the shelves are pretty fixed here.

1437
01:33:05,460 --> 01:33:07,160
People don't want to change their ways.

1438
01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:12,920
But if somebody here in Colorado on a commercial level or on a small scale wants to get some

1439
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:14,880
of your soil, I can get it for them here.

1440
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:17,800
All they have to do is reach out to me.

1441
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,180
We'll get some to them somehow.

1442
01:33:20,180 --> 01:33:24,320
And anything else you would like to say to the listeners out there today?

1443
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:28,480
Hey, man, thanks for popping in and listen to our portion of the Internet.

1444
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:33,760
And you know, we do stand behind our product and we appreciate everybody that uses it.

1445
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:35,800
And we put our phone number on every bag.

1446
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:39,040
So if you have questions or problems, you can give me a call.

1447
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,200
And we got a lot of information on our website.

1448
01:33:41,200 --> 01:33:43,200
So check it out.

1449
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:48,000
Www.detroitnutrientpempity.com and keep on growing, man.

1450
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:49,000
I love it.

1451
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:50,000
It's changed my life.

1452
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,440
I hope it brings everybody else as much joy growing plants as it brings me.

1453
01:33:54,440 --> 01:33:55,800
And thanks, Mike, for having me on.

1454
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:56,800
No problem.

1455
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:01,280
Thanks for taking the time out of your busy day and schedule to tell your story today,

1456
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:02,280
Tommy.

1457
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:03,280
You got it, brother.

1458
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:04,280
Cool, man.

1459
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:05,280
All right.

1460
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,000
And hopefully we'll be able to link up this spring in Virginia.

1461
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,400
And I know you're busy touring around Virginia and all these states that you have your products.

1462
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,760
So if you see Tommy out there, stop by and say hello.

1463
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:16,760
Pop in.

1464
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,160
We always have some fun stuff to talk about.

1465
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:20,440
We always have a good time.

1466
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:25,640
We were down at Horton's Nursery in Virginia this last spring.

1467
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:26,640
Great people.

1468
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:27,640
Winchester, Virginia.

1469
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:31,760
So if you're down that area, Northern Virginia, you want to get some dirt, that's your spot.

1470
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:32,760
Go check them out.

1471
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,880
Hopefully we can get down there next spring and set up again and give another class.

1472
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:37,880
Yeah.

1473
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:38,880
Yeah.

1474
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,520
And I'll tell you, we have a great following in Virginia.

1475
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,840
And if you're up by Winchester, go over to Horton's.

1476
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:53,720
You know, Virginia, Richmond and Glen Allen, there's HTG Supply and Grow Depot.

1477
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:54,720
Yeah.

1478
01:34:54,720 --> 01:35:02,080
And then Hydroculture and Fredericksburg and Manassas and down in Virginia Beach.

1479
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,080
We're at Grow VA.

1480
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:07,120
Tell all my friends in Maryland, DC area too.

1481
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:08,120
Yeah.

1482
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:09,400
We'll be coming that way.

1483
01:35:09,400 --> 01:35:11,120
Hopefully we'll get the tour of that area too.

1484
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,000
I got the family in that area.

1485
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:20,760
So yeah, we'll come and hang out and let's go out and run and see and party up in DC.

1486
01:35:20,760 --> 01:35:21,760
Yeah.

1487
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:25,080
Shout outs to the mayor of DC for actually changing the laws there and changing up the

1488
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:26,080
game.

1489
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:31,800
It was hard for some sales there for the medical dispensaries.

1490
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:38,520
And he just made it easier for sit residents and out of state to sign up for their own

1491
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:44,640
medical card and say at all usage is medical on their own terms without a doctor backing

1492
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:45,640
it up.

1493
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:50,120
So, hey, if you live in the area, there's your place to get some medical cannabis.

1494
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:57,400
I think everybody in the eastern part of the panhandle of West Virginia going to DC or

1495
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:58,400
Virginia.

1496
01:35:58,400 --> 01:36:00,400
Do you know why that happened?

1497
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:04,000
That is a whole nother own other podcast.

1498
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,000
Yeah.

1499
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Let's have one on that.

1500
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:07,640
Give me give me a call sometime.

1501
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:08,720
Let's talk about that.

1502
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:09,720
Most definitely.

1503
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:15,880
We could talk about the difference of rural and city prices and how the rural area area

1504
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,280
can actually grow the best cannabis.

1505
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:24,240
But it's it's you can't take my guns away idea that and they're still in that reefer

1506
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:29,440
madness and I'm trying to spread the knowledge so that reefer madness can get changed back

1507
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:32,240
to reefer facts.

1508
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:33,240
Right.

1509
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:34,240
Yeah.

1510
01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:35,240
Yeah.

1511
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:37,360
You know, it's it takes a while for the word to try.

1512
01:36:37,360 --> 01:36:43,560
I'll tell you, I live in a really rural area in Michigan, which is, you know, pretty right

1513
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:50,120
leaning and they, you know, God guns in country kind of stuff.

1514
01:36:50,120 --> 01:36:56,560
And they are the hippest about marijuana laws that you could believe.

1515
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,880
Everybody was a grower there for, you know, 30 years.

1516
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:04,160
And there was there's already a dispensary there.

1517
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:09,440
And like, you know, nobody ever says anything about everybody.

1518
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:14,200
All of my neighbors have outdoor, you know, big outdoor grows in the woods and have since

1519
01:37:14,200 --> 01:37:15,560
long before it was legal.

1520
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,000
It's they're pretty they're pretty hip up there, man.

1521
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:23,800
Well, it was pretty shunned upon in the 90s growing up during the drug war.

1522
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:27,880
When I grew up, there was a local cop kind of run everybody out of my little hometown,

1523
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:29,120
which is pretty much the same.

1524
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:34,080
But the local sentiment, what I get is a lot of people want to legalize it and grow it.

1525
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:37,000
And they're waiting and waiting, but they're still afraid to talk about it.

1526
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,000
They're afraid to lose their jobs.

1527
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:42,880
They're afraid to comment on a Facebook post or afraid to to even mention it.

1528
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,920
But when you catch them alone, they want to talk about it.

1529
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,120
And that's all they want to learn about.

1530
01:37:47,120 --> 01:37:50,280
So best way to get it out is this podcast.

1531
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:52,040
It's on 13 different platforms.

1532
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:55,040
It's out there internationally.

1533
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,080
So we're getting out there.

1534
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,040
We're getting the good word out.

1535
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:04,160
And we'll talk about those prices and the taxes and everything.

1536
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:10,160
Gouging people trying to jacking up the prices of rent in certain areas to keep.

1537
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:14,920
Keep it impossible for a little guy to make a profit or to even get into the game to start

1538
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:24,520
with taxes from 25 to 75 percent, driving a price of higher than black market, enabling

1539
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,600
the black market to thrive or people just to go to another state.

1540
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,080
So cool.

1541
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:31,360
That's the next episode.

1542
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,280
Also legalization of mushrooms here in Colorado.

1543
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:37,920
And yeah, yeah, we got to take on the Silas Ivan.

1544
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:43,000
We're going to do one on the legal, the legality of the different states.

1545
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:47,120
Yes, we're going to do how it affects the pricing, the mindset, different areas where

1546
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:49,080
it's still black market.

1547
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,320
And then we'll then we'll get into my favorite subject mushrooms.

1548
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:53,320
Let's do so.

1549
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,760
We'll have to do a Tommy part two.

1550
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,040
Yes, most definitely.

1551
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,200
So guys, stay tuned for that.

1552
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:00,200
Appreciate you, Tommy.

1553
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:01,200
Love you.

1554
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:02,200
And we will talk soon.

1555
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:03,200
Love you, brother.

1556
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:04,200
Thanks for everybody tuning in, man.

1557
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:05,200
Appreciate you.

1558
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:06,200
All right.

1559
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:07,200
Cheers, guys.

1560
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:29,560
Don't diss the herbal doctors from all those rumors that you heard.

1561
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:42,080
I'm not a drug dealer.

1562
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:43,080
We call them doctor.

1563
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:44,080
But I want.

1564
01:39:44,080 --> 01:40:04,860
Put a doctor.