1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Hey, have you hunkered your guts and butched today? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Do you smoke or are you gay? 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 Guess what's going on to our meditators? 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Dr. Earl! 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,000 So I'm here with Aaron from Astronomics. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:18,000 He's growing in sealed greenhouses utilizing RDWC, 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,000 recirculating deep water culture here at Area 420. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,000 That is something that is really new even to the experienced growers 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,000 and everybody's excited to learn a little bit more about that. 10 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,000 I'm glad to have you on here today, Aaron. 11 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Thanks for having me. 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Great. I was wanting to ask you what was the reason you got into growing in the first place? 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Yeah, you know, we were kind of talking about this earlier, 14 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,000 like a little bit of a kind of just interest over the plant, 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000 a little bit of medical. 16 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:56,000 I was, you know, as a teenager taking SSRI, anti-anxiety kind of depression medication 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:03,000 and switched off of that to cannabis and had a really positive experience there 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:12,000 and then grew in Texas back in 2009, 10, 11 19 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:20,000 and built my own RDWC system at that time after doing, 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,000 you know, first it was just kind of small rockwell cubes and buckets 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,000 and then it was tables and then built the RDWC system 22 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,000 and I just had really good results with it. 23 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,000 Took a big long break and then got back in in 2020 here in Area 420. 24 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,000 So you moved here just to set up your system here? 25 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,000 You know, it kind of evolved over time. 26 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:47,000 You know, we were bicycle taxi drivers for a long time. 27 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,000 It's how me and my wife met on the side of the pandemic that kind of crashed. 28 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,000 I was helping build a house here in Area 420. 29 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,000 It was actually a mushroom shaped house. 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:01,000 Shout out to my buddy Gary Evans if you're out there ever hear this. 31 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:08,000 But and we saw the guys, you know, pulling down harvests and, you know, 32 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000 just I was telling Gary, I was like, hey, man, you know, we want to live in Colorado. 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,000 I can grow weed. 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 At the time we were living in Salida, 35 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,000 just kind of passing through on some temporary work 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,000 and we just really wanted to live here 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:27,000 and do the things we're passionate about, you know, mountain biking, climbing, 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,000 being in the outdoors and we just, you know, utilizing my skills 39 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,000 of traditional agriculture, regenerative permaculture. 40 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,000 We started the field and my knowledge of weed, you know, 41 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 kind of blending those two things together to try to pull a crop through. 42 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:48,000 We started that in 2020 and pulled through 1800 plants 43 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,000 and then another year, 3400 plants and then now we're in the greenhouses 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,000 and it's just kind of gotten, it turns into a bit of a monster, you know, 45 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,000 it gets a little out of control sometimes. 46 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,000 I don't think we ever knew we would be where we're at now. 47 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Yeah, we were talking about that a little bit earlier 48 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,000 and what the difference is between growing at home for yourself 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:12,000 or 50 plants compared to growing commercially for something like a market out there. 50 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,000 It's completely different and the styles go completely different 51 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 and everybody's interested in this recirculating deep water culture, 52 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 as I say that, right? 53 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,000 Yeah. 54 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,000 So basically you're growing in buckets and you recirculate the water 55 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,000 and you were telling me how much water you save on this. 56 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Could you kind of go into this grow technique and how you got into it? 57 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,000 For sure, yeah. 58 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,000 You know, when we were designing, we wanted to get out of the weather up here. 59 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,000 We're in one of the highest Alpine valleys in the world up here in Moffett, 60 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 7,500 feet, you know, wonderful dry weather. 61 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 It has its limitations. 62 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,000 Weather is unpredictable and we just had so many headaches outside 63 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,000 that we really wanted to get under something, 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,000 but I didn't want to do a passive greenhouse. 65 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:05,000 I wanted to do, you know, I wanted to have as much, like, you know, 66 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,000 stringent tight controls over the environmentals, 67 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,000 more so than like a water wall passive kind of air system. 68 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I wanted to seal it up. 69 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,000 We ran this specific kind of HVAC system called a VRF. 70 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,000 So instead of compressing air, it compresses coolant 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:25,000 and moves that into some air movers, really efficient version of a HVAC system. 72 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,000 And then, of course, the buckets. 73 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,000 So utilizing, you know, indoor style controls, 74 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,000 the power of the sun primarily as our light source 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,000 in a fully sealed depth greenhouse. 76 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,000 And then combining that power of the sun driving the, 77 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:47,000 just the metabolic rate of these plants, it's crazy inside the buckets. 78 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Bioavailability of deep water culture, media lists, true hydro, 79 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,000 under the power of the sun is pretty wild to see. 80 00:04:55,000 --> 00:05:00,000 It kind of blew everybody's expectations out of the water in terms of growth rates. 81 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 And we don't veg. 82 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,000 We buy our clones because we don't have a mother prop right now, which is fine. 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 It's a lot less work for me and just one other employee. 84 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,000 They're pretty much running the whole thing right now, 85 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:17,000 which is 4,000 square feet, two 4,000 square foot spaces right now running. 86 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,000 So two systems. 87 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,000 The RDAWC, you know, because it is water, 88 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 sort of the way that it works is, you know, you fill the system up. 89 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 It's got aerated bubbles in it, so you're dissolving oxygen, 90 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,000 creating a slight bit of turbulence in the water to move the nutrients. 91 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,000 And then, of course, it has recirculating pumps as well. 92 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:39,000 The water is just kind of gently moving through the system with the air bubbles. 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,000 And you put bare root clones in there, and they just, 94 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,000 as long as your environmentals are right and they can transpire appropriately, 95 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:52,000 they just drink and eat and breathe oxygen through their roots 24-7. 96 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,000 They never stop doing it. 97 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,000 There's no dry back, just constant drinking, 98 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,000 which has its challenges in the environment as well. 99 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:06,000 So that being said, you're not like draining to waste, right? 100 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Like you're putting solution into the system, and the plants drink it 101 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 and trans evaporate that moisture out as condensate. 102 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,000 We capture that, reuse it. 103 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:23,000 And then, you know, we're generating RO water from the deep wells here in Area 420. 104 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,000 It's pretty good quality water as it is, 105 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:29,000 and it's easier to keep stability in the chemistry of the water if you, 106 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,000 and stardom too, if you are producing RO water. 107 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,000 So as they drink, you just fill it in. 108 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:41,000 And you can usually use, I would say, in a traditional drain to waste, 109 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,000 you're probably recapturing enough that I'd say, you know, 110 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:51,000 you're using maybe 10,000 to 15,000 gallons of water for our entire 13-week cycle. 111 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,000 And that's for 400 buckets we have in each space. 112 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,000 About actually 392 to be accurate. 113 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:03,000 And so it's seven ex-exile systems for current culture, 13-gallon buckets, 114 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,000 one epicenter is kind of like a little brain, 115 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,000 and then there's 56 buckets attached to that, 116 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,000 and they recirculate that system, and then there's seven of those. 117 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,000 And yeah, that's kind of the system in a nutshell. 118 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,000 So you were talking about the bioavailability, 119 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:22,000 and what that means is it's able to absorb the nutrients out of the water faster, correct? 120 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,000 Yeah. 121 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 More efficiently. 122 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:25,000 More efficiently, yeah. 123 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,000 I think, you know, depending on – and the other thing that's interesting about RDWC 124 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:35,000 is kind of getting the growers that come in to kind of deprogram their understanding of like, 125 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,000 you know, PPM increase and how it's going to hit the plants. 126 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 We drop ours in at 150 PPM, and much hotter than that, 127 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 and it'll burn the roots and stunt them out. 128 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:51,000 And so, you know, really what you're doing is you're just keeping a finger on the pulse of the chemistry, 129 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,000 drop the plants in. 130 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,000 They're just – they're picking up exactly what they need when they need it, 131 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 and you just watch the parts per million of your food in the water. 132 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,000 When that drops, your pH goes up. 133 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,000 You can – there's a number of ways you can do it, 134 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,000 but essentially you're putting that food back in, bumping it slightly, 135 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,000 and then getting you back – so you have these parameters, right, your pH parameter. 136 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,000 You could be anywhere from like 5.7 to 6.3, kind of in that range, 137 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,000 and let that nominal drift happen as they eat. 138 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 And then as they eat, you know, you put the RO water, the food, and the pH back in, 139 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,000 balance the chemistry, and let them do their thing. 140 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,000 As long as they're in that kind of zone, and you're bumping them real slow and easy, 141 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:33,000 you know, we work on the 700 scale, and I mean, or even just EC for people, 142 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:38,000 like never above, you know, 1.2 EC, very rarely. 143 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 You don't need to push them that hard. 144 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,000 So for my growers, I say like, just think about it as, you know, 145 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:52,000 half of what you would do in a traditional like rock wool or, you know, cocoa, 146 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,000 something like that. 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 So you're using less water and less nutrients altogether, 148 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,000 so it's a lot less money that you have to invest in the beginning, correct? 149 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:07,000 Yeah, I would say the nutrient uptake is fast, but it is resource efficient in that way too. 150 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,000 And that's from the culture solutions line, same guys who make the buckets. 151 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:18,000 So they've, you know, tailored their nutrients regimen to, you know, RDWC. 152 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,000 I think any time you're doing any kind of cultivation, 153 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,000 it's important to understand the uptake of your system 154 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:31,000 and kind of what sort of nutrients are going to uptake well in your specific system 155 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,000 if you are doing hydroponics. 156 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 So you know, we were talking about how the terpenes are preserved in this system too 157 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,000 because it's so much easier to flush it, right? 158 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,000 You're not using as much of the chemical or your nutrient, 159 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,000 and it's easier to flush it out. 160 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:53,000 And you can use the sun UV you were talking about because it increases the terpenes. 161 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Could you go into a little bit more about how the terpenes in your herb is? 162 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,000 Pretty nice, I smell them, I really like them. 163 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,000 And how you preserve those? 164 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,000 Yeah, so I mean, of course, like, Keri's always kind of king when it comes to, 165 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,000 you know, retaining the quality. 166 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 And then I think it starts with genetics, having good starts. 167 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:19,000 We go from TC, so you know, no viral fungal bacterial load. 168 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,000 I think that's really important for our system's health in general 169 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:27,000 and also the final genetic expression of whatever cultivar you're messing with. 170 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:33,000 You know, as you said, the flush, I mean, we flush probably two or three days, 171 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:38,000 and because there's no media, there's not much, there's nothing really to flush out. 172 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,000 You're not going to rid the plant of anything that's stored up in its cell walls. 173 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:48,000 I think the KETA is giving a really efficient and bioavailable nutrient regimen 174 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:55,000 so that the plant is using just what it needs and not storing a bunch of waste or what have you. 175 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:02,000 And then as far as like, you know, the terpenes, I think one of the things that helps that kind of, 176 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,000 I think a lot of people who have been smoking for a long time could probably pick out, 177 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:11,000 you know, a phenotypical expression from soil versus a pure hydro. 178 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,000 You know, it just kind of looked a little different. 179 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:22,000 But the sun just really throws down those UVA, UVB, and really generates this. 180 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:27,000 We're at 7,500 feet, so you know, the plant is using that light stress 181 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:32,000 and UVB stress to pump terpenes as a defense mechanism. 182 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Our trichrome density, I think, is definitely aided by the sun, 183 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:41,000 really helping it pack on some serious protection, really. 184 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:50,000 And then, you know, beyond that, I'd say that just the sun just definitely gives the structure, 185 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:56,000 that tighter feeling than what you might see in a typical kind of indoor style pure hydro. 186 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,000 And then marrying that outdoor sun, the effect that like all people kind of know, 187 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:06,000 like sun-grown weed just has that kind of special oomph to it in terms of flavor. 188 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,000 And I think just marrying that, driving the metabolic grade of the system 189 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,000 and the plants in the system is just kind of a match made in heaven if you can get it right, 190 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,000 which we're still trying to do. 191 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:18,000 It's hard. 192 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,000 It's a strain-specific thing, too. 193 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 And that's another thing I wanted to talk to you about, the genetics. 194 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,000 That you're growing now, you said you have to get very clean genetics 195 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,000 because if it carries a virus in it, it can spread to all the plants, 196 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,000 and they grow because they're connected, correct? 197 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Yeah, seven systems. 198 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:39,000 So 56 are connected, the buckets are connected, and flow together. 199 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:43,000 So there's, you know, you lose one, you lose 56 in some cases, 200 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 but we haven't had that much trouble yet. 201 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:50,000 Had seen a little bit of physarium coming up on the first run, 202 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,000 and we kind of caught it in time, was able to triage the situation, 203 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,000 slow the spread to finish. 204 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000 But, you know, we got those from tissue culture, you know, in fresh bucket runs. 205 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,000 So I think a lot of people, you know, are right to be skeptic in the sense 206 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:09,000 that the learning curve and the penalty for failure is quite high 207 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:15,000 because, you know, water is an excellent place for pathogens to propagate. 208 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,000 So keeping it really sterile and clean is another reason why, you know, 209 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,000 we can't use microbial life in the bucket. 210 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,000 Some people might argue that, but we keep it out, 211 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,000 and we just make sure we have a really clean regiment from start to finish. 212 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,000 Jazzy, you told me you have to get your clones from a specific place 213 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,000 that's really specific on cleaning and make sure they're clean, 214 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000 don't get infected into your growth system. 215 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,000 But I want to ask you, from when you started growing, 216 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,000 you said you replaced your other medicines with cannabis. 217 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,000 What were some strains that actually helped you at that moment, 218 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 and were there any that actually increased your symptoms? 219 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:04,000 Yeah, you know, growing up in Texas and not in Houston, 220 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,000 it's just a mixed bag, you know. 221 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,000 You didn't really know what you were getting. 222 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,000 It wasn't that kind of state. 223 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 It was Reggie's or good stuff. 224 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Or crazy fun. 225 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Yeah, it was just like, you know. 226 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Reggie's are chronic. 227 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Yeah, exactly. 228 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:23,000 And it was really just, once I started home growing, though, 229 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,000 as a lot of young guys do, I had somebody that was teaching me 230 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:32,000 who had extensive experience running and flipping houses and stuff. 231 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:37,000 He almost got caught, went to the oil fields, kind of hid away for a little bit. 232 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,000 I met him when he had just moved back to the college town I was living in, 233 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,000 which is the University of North Texas. 234 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:47,000 And, you know, he was just, right away, he was like, 235 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000 oh, this kid's got some savings. 236 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,000 Let's start a grow, you know. 237 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,000 And I was like, well, at that time, you know, 238 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,000 I had been smoking in high school, just kind of whatever I could get my hands on. 239 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Just, you know, my grades went up, surprisingly. 240 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,000 I started getting like better grades. 241 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Just more interested. 242 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000 And school was more interesting, turns out, on your face. 243 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Yeah, I know. 244 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,000 It's not too. 245 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:08,000 I was the same way in college. 246 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Dropped out of college pretty immediately to just grow with this guy 247 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,000 and then move on on my own. 248 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 But, you know, the strains that we brought to the table 249 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,000 originally were the Island Sweet Skunk. 250 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:26,000 And I had an NL4 Cross Morning Glory that we started with. 251 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,000 Just some bag seed, really, nothing crazy. 252 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:33,000 I kind of phenohunted that out and then got a production cycle going, 253 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,000 kind of trading off to keep it perpetual, 254 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,000 split the labor on both. 255 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 I was living upstairs, he was living downstairs. 256 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 And it was just super sketchy. 257 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 It was really scary. 258 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Yeah, growing black market or a traditional market, 259 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 it is definitely, even if you're not selling it, 260 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,000 you're just growing for yourself, it is sketchy. 261 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 Oh, it was incredibly sketchy. 262 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 But, you know, learned a lot. 263 00:15:56,000 --> 00:16:02,000 And then you get plugged into the breeding community pretty quickly. 264 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,000 It's weird, like, you know, in a kind of profession there 265 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,000 where you tell one person, two people, no, you tell two people, 12 people, no. 266 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Really the only kind of people that you tend to associate with 267 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,000 or start forming a relationship with is other growers in the area. 268 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,000 So, you know, another pal in the same town was blowing out a house 269 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,000 and they were doing strawberry cough and blueberry. 270 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 And so both of those were just constantly floating around. 271 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,000 We didn't cycle much at the time. 272 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,000 It's just like we knew we had some bangers and we were just running with those. 273 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Cloned them and cloned them and cloned them. 274 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:40,000 Yeah, exactly. 275 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,000 You know, I was really new to the culture at that time 276 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:47,000 and still am, like, never got crazy deep into it. 277 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 It was just something that was really interesting to me. 278 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,000 And when I got into cabbing and doing more bicycle taxi stuff 279 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,000 around the United States and Sarah was doing some park service work, 280 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,000 my wife was working for the National Parks, United States Forest Service, 281 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:10,000 in various places and at that time I was doing more, like, traditional agriculture, 282 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:16,000 like French biointensive permaculture kind of stuff up in California. 283 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,000 And so I got some traditional agricultural techniques from that 284 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,000 and then it kind of buried those two things to start to grow out here. 285 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:28,000 So we spoke a little bit earlier about preferred methods of consumption. 286 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,000 Mine is a blunt. 287 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,000 I don't recommend tobacco use, but I do it myself because I used to smoke cigarettes 288 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000 and I substitute not as bad for my health. 289 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000 And it's a crutch. 290 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,000 I can hold it in my hand in social situations and I have to have a beer or something 291 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:48,000 to feel like I have to have a little comfort or a blanket, comfort blanket, you know. 292 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,000 You said you like to smoke flour. 293 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Yeah. 294 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000 And you're a little bit of rosin. 295 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:57,000 That seems to be the consensus with everybody I've interviewed. 296 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000 It seems to be a trend. 297 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:05,000 Flour seems to be the preferred method of consumption for all the breeders and growers. 298 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 And live rosin is right behind that. 299 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Have you ever had a bad experience, like, with some really high THC content 300 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,000 or like a really greasy sativa or just an edible that you consume too much 301 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,000 and put you in a bad position? 302 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Yeah. I mean, for sure. 303 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:27,000 I think the older I get, the less I like to stay lifted. 304 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,000 And the flour just helps me kind of keep the finger on the pulse 305 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,000 of how medicated I want to be. 306 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:40,000 You know, dabbing for a year was fine too, but just, man, your tolerance just, 307 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000 you just rip the tolerance so fast. 308 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:47,000 You just need to consume so much all the time to kind of keep chasing it. 309 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,000 So like, yeah, really, really, I think most people here probably would agree, 310 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:55,000 but yeah, total cannabinoid profile is what I'm looking for. 311 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Low THC, moderate THC with like a good terpene profile. 312 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:04,000 And many of these guys are all breeders and growers and connoisseurs. 313 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,000 It's the same kind, it's our generation of wine, you know what I mean? 314 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000 It's our generation of the, it's our culture of craft beer. 315 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:16,000 It's just like people who are really sensory in the way that they interact with the world, 316 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:22,000 like just love to nerd out on cultivars and smells and pick it all apart. 317 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:29,000 And it's enjoyable, you know, and it creates this camaraderie, I think, 318 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:34,000 where just people can get excited around, you know, somebody's work, 319 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000 especially in this community. 320 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,000 It's just like, you know, the people who are working hard to produce something special, 321 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,000 and then when something special does come up that kind of hits your palate, 322 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,000 you know, you can all be pumped together and hyped and grow it out. 323 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:50,000 And it's just been a really good experience being in this community for that reason too. 324 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Yeah, I like the community and I like the fact that you, 325 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,000 earlier you mentioned your grades went up, things became more interesting, learning. 326 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,000 I think that's a thing with cannabis. 327 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,000 People become more aware, they want to interact with nature a little more, 328 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,000 they become interested in their health instead of other consumptions 329 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:13,000 that just makes you like alcohol or certain types of pharmaceuticals. 330 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000 They just turn you into a zombie or you just don't care 331 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,000 and you don't, all you want to do is sit around and complain all the time. 332 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:24,000 I don't see that in this community very much and it's very uplifting, I believe. 333 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,000 Yeah. 334 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:29,000 To see everybody in a positive mind frame and enjoying themselves. 335 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Yeah, I think, you know, anybody that comes out here and sees this, 336 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:41,000 and you know, by all means we are competing businesses in this, you know, quotations, free market. 337 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:48,000 But, you know, you come out here and you see all these people supporting each other 338 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:55,000 and lending each other equipment and coming out and just giving, you know, some free advice about this or that. 339 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:59,000 You know, at the end of the day, your neighbors want to see you succeed 340 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,000 and we want to see our neighbors succeed because we are out here shoulder to shoulder. 341 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:11,000 And just the family kind of feeling that you get from 420 is definitely an added benefit. 342 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,000 We live out in Crestone and we commute here about 15 minutes, so we live out there. 343 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:22,000 But, you know, like last night, my wife was off back in Austin visiting family 344 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,000 and I saw the train cars getting ready for tonight. 345 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:36,000 And the person came by and smoked out and just got to laugh and commiserate about the struggles of growing in a competitive market that it is right now. 346 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Yeah, I learned a lot about rosin and extracting the rosin, pressing it, what's needed, what's not needed. 347 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,000 There are certain strains for it, there are certain strains not for it. 348 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:52,000 There are some breeders that breed now just for strains that will wash well and produce a nice live rosin. 349 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:56,000 That's interesting for people to know because there are strains like that. 350 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:05,000 And for people out there wanting to extract, there are certain strains you want to avoid if that's your final product. 351 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:11,000 If that's what you're wanting to do, stay away from these breeds or these strains and focus on these other ones. 352 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:18,000 And I wanted to ask you about Crestone. Crestone is what, 15 minutes down the road. 353 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,000 I went down for coffee this morning. It's a cool little town. 354 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,000 It is an international dark sky community, correct? 355 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000 It is, yeah. 356 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,000 So what is that? I mean, there's no lights within a 15 mile radius or something? 357 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:34,000 Yeah, there's a brightness kind of ordinance, kind of a style of light that you can use. 358 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 And it is, it is, it's incredible, it's spectacular. 359 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:43,000 I've never seen the Milky Way from horizon to horizon just so bright. 360 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:51,000 Somebody was asking me if our neighbors, if our neighbors' little LED security lights were messing with our field last year. 361 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:56,000 And I was like, you know, no, it's like, you should see when it's full moon out here. 362 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,000 I mean, you can see clear across the valley. It's so bright. 363 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:06,000 So it is, it's a unique place. It's still kind of one of the last vestiges of Colorado that feels, it's funny. 364 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:12,000 You come out here for 420 and it just, you really do feel like pioneer spirit in your bones, you know. 365 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:18,000 You're just like out here just trying to hold onto a slice of heaven any way you can. 366 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,000 And it is, it's nice out here for sure. 367 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000 Yes, I totally agree. 368 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000 I really appreciate you coming on the show, Aaron, and talking about your system. 369 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,000 It's highly interesting. I want to have you on again sometime in the future and we'll talk a little bit more about that. 370 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,000 But let's go out here and enjoy the rest of this festival here and get something to eat. 371 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,000 Check out some more of this fresh harvest that's all around. 372 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Yeah, man. Well, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. 373 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000 You're welcome. Thank you. 374 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:52,000 Would you like to grow your own cannabis at home? 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I am here with Patty Kelbert of Galactic Cultivations 409 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,000 and we are going to talk about her grow down here in Moffat down in area 420 410 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:55,000 some of her growth styles and why she got into smoking and why she got into breeding or why she got into growing. 411 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,000 Welcome Patty, how are you today? 412 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000 I'm good, thank you. 413 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,000 We are going to talk to people today and discuss why you got into smoking. 414 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Okay, well. Or consuming I should say. I don't want to say you started smoking at first. 415 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000 Did you maybe started with edibles? 416 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,000 Well of course it all started socially. I'm 6 years old now so I would say probably around 16, 17 years old 417 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:22,000 smoking in the, you know, out in the school yard with the kids in the smoking area 418 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:26,000 and there's passing around some joints and I'm like, oh this stuff is pretty good. 419 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000 And as I got older, stopped for a while when I had my family and stuff 420 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,000 but then realized how I really needed it as I got older and now I have Parkinson's. 421 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,000 My mom passed away at Parkinson's and it really does help with Parkinson's. 422 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,000 So I really like it and I smoke a lot actually. 423 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,000 What are some of the symptoms of Parkinson's? I'm not 100% familiar with that. 424 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000 I know it involves trembling maybe. 425 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,000 Yes, it has. Sometimes it can be tremors, sometimes not. 426 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,000 It kind of depends where it lodges in your brain and you know, you lose memory, 427 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:02,000 you lose a lot of different things, mostly in your hands. 428 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:07,000 I'm having a lot of little problems with my hands right now so just smoking definitely helps with that. 429 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Where are you originally from? 430 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,000 I'm originally from New York and then my family had a restaurant. 431 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,000 We moved to Florida when I was 14 and we started a restaurant there and we're very successful 432 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,000 and we ended up selling it about 7 years ago. 433 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,000 And my daughter got into the marijuana industry here in Colorado. 434 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,000 She opened up a grow in Gunnison and then a dispensary. 435 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:34,000 And we worked for her, me and my husband, and we helped her along with her business and just kind of learned. 436 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,000 We experimented in Colorado when we sold our business and came out here and bought property 437 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 and had a little garden outside and we realized we really enjoyed growing 438 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,000 and you know, really had a purpose in getting into the different strains 439 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:51,000 and you know, just learning all about it and realizing we can actually really grow. 440 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:57,000 So yeah, I started smoking at 17 or 16, I think the same way, but not too much until I got into college 441 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:01,000 because I played a lot of sports and just wasn't accessible. 442 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:06,000 And was it easily accessible to you in New York? Were you in New York City or were you upstate New York? 443 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:11,000 No, I was actually 14 when we moved to Florida. So I was in Florida when I started consuming. 444 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000 And you know, it was very accessible because everybody was growing it. 445 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,000 We called it ditch weed because we would grow it in the ditches where it could be hidden. 446 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,000 Creeper, it was something from Florida that we heard of in West Virginia, that's where I'm from. 447 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000 We heard a creeper, oh it's a Florida thing. 448 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,000 Yeah, we called it just ditch weeds or regs. It had a lot of seeds in it. 449 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,000 And it was very accessible. People would just, you know, partly, I hardly ever bought it. 450 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,000 I didn't end up having to buy it until I was like in my 20s. 451 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,000 But you had to hide it though, right? 452 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,000 You did have to hide it. It was very illegal in Florida and of course you had to be very careful. 453 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Of course, never drove with it, just you know, had it at home. 454 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:57,000 And then, you know, about, I'd say probably about 10 years ago, I ran into a person and she just, you know, said, 455 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:03,000 hey, you need to try this. She said it will help you with your Parkinson's, it will help you with everything. 456 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:08,000 Mentally, I just had lost my father. He had heart problems and passed away. 457 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,000 And I was so depressed and they wanted to give me any depressants. 458 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,000 And I said, no, I just need some weed because I remember that helping me in the past. 459 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:21,000 I know a lot of people in that situation where I'm from would rely on alcohol and that's just a downward spiral of depression. 460 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Exactly. 461 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:31,000 And I know I've drank a lot and I've been around a lot of drinking and smoking weed is a positive impact on most people's outlook on life. 462 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,000 Yes, it is. It is. 463 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,000 And compassion and it just makes you feel more positive as a person. 464 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,000 And it really shows. Everybody here in this community, I feel that. 465 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:53,000 And going back to smoking or not smoking, what is the preferred method of consumption for you? 466 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000 What give you most relief for your Parkinson's? 467 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Well, you know, I'm just like an old timer. So I really love my joints. 468 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:09,000 I could say I'm a weed consoer. The strains I picked to grow here in area 420, I have grown technically six strains, 469 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,000 but I dabbled in a few other strains just to experiment how they do in this area. 470 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000 Some are known for Southern climates, Columbia and all that. 471 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,000 But I said, you know, I'm just going to give it a try, see how it grows here. 472 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:26,000 It unfortunately did not grow very well, but it did grow. You know, I'm very happy. 473 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,000 My favorite weed of all time is the Golden Goat. I just really, it's a sativa. 474 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:37,000 It's one of the, you know, pure sativas, I think, in my heart. It's not a hybrid, you know. 475 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,000 And also it just really helps me get me going in the morning, gives me energy, 476 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,000 and it really helps with my tremors and stuff with Parkinson's. 477 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,000 But that's my favorite one for the day. And at night I kind of like gelato cake. 478 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,000 That seems to be my indica kind of going, you know, we've had that strain for a long time. 479 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,000 And just really like that. And then I actually tried some seeds this year for the first time. 480 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Kind of got forced into seeds, unfortunately. But anyway, to make a long story short, I'm glad I did. 481 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000 We started our seeds in June, and they ended up to be just beautiful. 482 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:15,000 They were like six foot tall and just loaded. And they came from Matt from Brainstrap here in area 420, 483 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,000 the flower factory. They were his seeds. And I was really lucky. I had to sex them. 484 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,000 That was a lot of big challenge. Took a long time to get all the males out of there. 485 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,000 But it was a great experience to learn about seeds, because we've really never done seeds before. 486 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,000 And seeds we have done were feminized. So these were not feminized. 487 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,000 But they were so strong and just great. It was a great experience. 488 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:38,000 So your grow is completely outdoors, under sun, no greenhouse? 489 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,000 It is. No, we have one greenhouse. But we ended up putting the last of the seeds in there, 490 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,000 because like I said, we started them in June. So by the time we got all the males out of there, 491 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,000 we're now into August. And I was getting a little worried. And I said, you know what? 492 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,000 We're just leaving them in here. And the rest were outside. So we had 1800 total. 493 00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,000 We had 400, about 300 in the greenhouse. And 1700 outside. 494 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,000 And you worked with Build-A-Soil to help you? I did. 495 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,000 To regenerate your soil, right? Yes, I did. 496 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,000 Is this your first year in the soil? Yes, yes. It was the first time growing. 497 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Our soil was from Build-A-Soil, as well as our nutrients. So I'm hoping they test well. 498 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Because nobody else really does Build-A-Soil out here that I know of. 499 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,000 I think there is one other grower, not in Area 420, but in the St. Louis Valley. 500 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:32,000 He is a Build-A-Soil grower. But yeah, I felt really confident of the organic. 501 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:41,000 We mended our soil with all good stuff. Worm castings and all different kinds of, 502 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000 I can't even think off the top of my head. I'm sorry. 503 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Did you go the vegan route with them? Yes, I did. 504 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,000 I know they got the vegan supply, got a bag of nutrients for them. 505 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Yes, yes. They were. We did use some pure fish. I call it the fish guts. 506 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000 I don't know what it was. It was like a fish oil. 507 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000 Fish it? Yeah, and they loved it. The plants just loved that stuff. 508 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,000 And of course molasses. It's a lot of molasses. Molasses is great for growing. 509 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:11,000 It really feeds the plants. They enjoy it. I think that's why all my wheat smells so sweet. 510 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Yeah, the brieks, it does help with the uptake where it helps to break down the nutrients 511 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,000 so they can absorb it quickly. Exactly, exactly. 512 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:25,000 And I love the idea of the living soil. So you started growing the strains that you liked 513 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,000 because you wanted to help medicate yourself. Exactly. 514 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,000 And the golden goat is a great example. I forgot about that one, but that's a good one 515 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:40,000 that people do for a day time. My roommate smoked it, gets to work, mechanic goes at it. 516 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,000 The other one, gelato cake, is one I discovered here in Colorado that I fell in love with 517 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,000 and I really liked a lot. I'm actually growing that one now. 518 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,000 I have that one for myself. That's going to be in my medical cabinet all the time. 519 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Exactly, they're really good strains. 520 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,000 What happened? You were going with Cloned and did you lose it because of the weather? 521 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,000 Did you have a bad day? 522 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,000 I hired somebody to help me that he admitted to me. I'm really not a grower. 523 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:17,000 So he missed some steps like acclimating the plants from the clones out into the sun. 524 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000 You just can't throw them out. You have to acclimate them. 525 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,000 So you start them in either a greenhouse or a shaded area and as they grow they get used to the sun 526 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000 and then slowly plant them in the ground and we kind of miss that step. 527 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,000 So I had my clones put them outside because we're like an outdoor grower. 528 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,000 We have no indoors. Everything's out. 529 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:39,000 The greenhouse wasn't started yet. Actually my greenhouse is all open. 530 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,000 The only thing it has is a hood over the top but the ends are open and the doors roll up. 531 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,000 So it's like a wind tunnel. 532 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Yeah, but to be honest with you I think just growing outdoors is best because the rain washes them 533 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,000 and it's just beautiful. When they're in that greenhouse the wind blows through 534 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000 and then you get all kinds of stuff in there and I think the plants, just the ones outside to me, 535 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000 are just much healthier. 536 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Well shout out to Growcast. We went to a living soil class with them 537 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000 and I would recommend you get in touch with them and learn about their living soil 538 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000 and regenerating it in some of their manners. 539 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:19,000 And you will have some of the biggest trees out here. 540 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,000 That's what I'm going for. 541 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:29,000 And hit Matt's advice of maybe planting some seeds in the ground this fall before the frost 542 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,000 and then those taproots will go in and you can weed out those males a little bit sooner 543 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,000 and the wind will not knock your plants over here. 544 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:43,000 Within a couple years you keep your genes and genetics that go good here 545 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,000 and you're going to have some mind. I've seen your trees and they look pretty impressive for first year. 546 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,000 So Buildus Oil did a good job with you. 547 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,000 I think they did. I just wish they had more knowledge. 548 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 I called them a few times. I had questions. 549 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 I think they could be a little bit more knowledgeable. So shout out to Buildus Oil. 550 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000 I think you're dabbling in the marijuana industry. 551 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,000 I know you have been doing it for a long time. 552 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:11,000 But just maybe giving the growers a little bit like we're not sure what we're feeding. 553 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,000 I shouldn't say we're not sure what we're feeding. We know we're feeding. 554 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,000 But just doing different, like for bloom and flower. 555 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,000 When you go into a grow store you see all this stuff and you're like, what the heck? 556 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,000 There's 20 different thousands of nutrients out there. 557 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,000 There are some organic ones in there that are very good as well. 558 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,000 But if you run out of something and here you're stranded and you're like, 559 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,000 what can I just give a little bit of boost? 560 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,000 I feel like my buds aren't maybe big enough or hard enough. 561 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000 They're not really, I just felt like I could have got a little bit more help from them. 562 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:48,000 And then we got this horrible grasshopper, locust, whatever cloud that came into Area 420. 563 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Everybody was freaking out. What do we do with our, they're eating our plants, they're on our buds. 564 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,000 So that was kind of scary for me just growing outdoors and coming from an indoor environment 565 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,000 where you control everything and outdoor you can't control anything. 566 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,000 You never know what's going to happen. So you're always worried. 567 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,000 So that was a little troublesome through the summer. 568 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:09,000 But when the grasshoppers came, I didn't freak out. I just looked around. 569 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,000 I did call Bill to say, hey, is there an organic remedy for a pesticide or something? 570 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,000 I really don't put anything on my plants. They're flowering now. 571 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,000 And they couldn't tell me anything. Oh, just walk around and pick them off. 572 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Well, you know, I have 1,800 plants. Am I going to pick all these off every plant? 573 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,000 So it was kind of frustrating. But I kind of every morning I walked through my watering routine 574 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,000 and check and pick them off. And I said, you know, they're really not eating much. 575 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,000 So I'm just going to let them be. You know, I just I'm not going to put anything on my plants. 576 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:42,000 So that's what I ended up doing. And sure enough, time went on. They started to diminish. 577 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Bugs, the birds came, started eating them. And yeah, so it was fine. 578 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,000 Well, nature will keep itself in check. Exactly. 579 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,000 If you do it outdoors like that, that's the that's the living soil. 580 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:59,000 I'll try to do living soil indoors because I'm an indoor grower and trying to recreate outdoors indoors. 581 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,000 It's kind of hard because you don't have birds. 582 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,000 There's certain aspects you just can't get in life will keep itself in check. 583 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,000 But like I said, Grokas will have some good information about even getting rid of those or not getting rid of them. 584 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:18,000 And it's how to direct them somewhere else. Yeah, exactly. 585 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 Exactly. And sometimes it's not bad. 586 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:27,000 I mean, we've talked to many people that the bugs can actually trigger parts of the plant mechanism to create more terpenes, 587 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,000 which makes it stronger. And sometimes I had a friend who would grow outdoors 588 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,000 and the chickens would eat the bottoms of the plants off and it would just make the tops bigger. 589 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,000 It's like it's a natural part of they did some trimming for you. They pruned up for you. 590 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:46,000 Exactly. And that's kind of what the grasshoppers were doing. They were they were just eating the leaves. 591 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000 They weren't eating the bud or they didn't even disturb the bud at all. 592 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000 So it didn't bother me. They read a few leaves. 593 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000 There's natural defoliation for you. You didn't have to hire another worker to come out and help you out. 594 00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,000 And I think when you grow organically, it just seems the plants were so much hardier. 595 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,000 They could take the wind. I never even trellised them. 596 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000 You know, I just had one stake in the ground by them to start them off as young. 597 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,000 And that stake stayed with them all the way through the harvest season. 598 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,000 So now, you know, all my plants are harvested and I'm drying and, you know, I'm looking at my bud and it's done pretty good. 599 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 I'm very proud of it. Yeah. Sticky as can be. 600 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:27,000 So with Bilda soil, I know Miles, fermented extracts works with Bilda soil and he wanted to come down here today, but he's not here. 601 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000 That's another person I'd recommend. OK, those extracts from it. 602 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000 That's the future of growing. If you want to go as natural as possible outdoors. Yeah. 603 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:40,000 The extracts fermented. That is the route that a lot of people go out to where I'm trying to move into and learn myself. 604 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,000 And it's way more natural. 605 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:48,000 There's ways to get some of those pests, IPO management to keep them off of your plants. 606 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000 Like I said, it doesn't kill them. It just pushes them somewhere else. 607 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000 So they don't bother yours or you add some plants aside that they like more. 608 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000 So they eat those instead of your plants. Yes, exactly. 609 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:09,000 That's it. To change their environment. Like I had an old school grower tell me, you know, the thing about bugs are you have to you have to, you know, shake their environment up because they like a special environment. 610 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,000 So if they like a driver might well, maybe a little bit more wet, you know, a little bit more this little bit more that. 611 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,000 So that kind of, you know, did help a little bit, too. 612 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:25,000 So, yeah, you just have to play around with it. But I really am happy with the Bilda soil and I love all their their nutrient program. 613 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000 I think I will stick with it for next year. 614 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:35,000 Well, hey, fatty, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing all the information with you is highly enlightening and I appreciate it a lot. 615 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Let's get back out there and mingle with some people and sounds good. Enjoy the rest of this harvest festival. 616 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000 OK, let's do it. Thank you. You're welcome. 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Welcome back, everyone. 623 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:34,000 I'm here with Mike Young and he's working over at Ferrari Farms down here in area for 20 right now. 624 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,000 And we were talking about what he got her, how he got into consuming cannabis. 625 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,000 Can you tell the people out here how you got into consuming cannabis and where you were at? Sure. 626 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:58,000 Thanks for having me. I started young just with friends, but saw the medical benefits early, started developing a passion as I would grow small seeds out of bags of mid grade stuff that I got downtown in Florida. 627 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:18,000 Saw how interesting the plant was and how much I enjoyed smoking it regularly and feel that I truly have a better quality of life with it than without it ever since then than a regular smoker for over 12 years and haven't had any health issues and love it and recommend it to everybody for sure. 628 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:29,000 Yes. So you moved to Colorado just because of the legalities in Florida and you want to feel more comfortable out here, just like I did. Exactly. And did you grow while you were in Florida or did you wait till you got out of here? 629 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:35,000 I did a little bit as scary as it was. I didn't go on any kind of good scale of it. 630 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:45,000 When I heard that you could move out to Denver and get a medical license or the plant count and comfortably do it in a small apartment, even I moved right away, dropped out of college in Florida. 631 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:54,000 And after taking horticulture classes, I just decided to not work in Florida at all and take a chance out here and it was the best thing I ever did. 632 00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:00,000 Denver was great with the laws, letting you grow at home and I just prefer to do that rather than buy from the stores. 633 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000 Yeah. So what are some of the strengths that you preferred to grow and helped you out? 634 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:21,000 Originally I had older names like Blue Dream, Banana Kush, LA Confidential, stuff that you don't see in regular circulation now, but stuff that was very hardy at the time, very resistant to mildew and mold and pests. 635 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:32,000 Sour diesels and older strains are not as popular, but it seems like all the mixes that are derived from those originally anyways and I still see the names around in the mixes. 636 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:38,000 Yeah, so you work over here at Warrior Farms, or not Warrior Farms, I'm sorry, Ferrari Farms. 637 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,000 And what are some of the strains you guys are growing over there? 638 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:53,000 Well for now we're just in construction. Another place I'm working has stuff like white truffle, runts, a lot of mixes of Gorilla Glue. 639 00:44:53,000 --> 00:45:00,000 I've seen that Gorilla Glue number four and a bunch of mixes of that this past year being really popular, even longer than that. 640 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:13,000 We're at home, I'm growing stuff from heart and soil from bread, stuff like minty mountain mist and Sweet Dreams. Very excited to have some new flavors to share with them. 641 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:19,000 Yeah, so it's a totally different game when you're growing commercial open end for yourself, right? 642 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:37,000 I'd say so. The commercial side of it really just needs an efficient production. There is the craftsmanship of it and getting good product, but nothing like having a small batch at home that you can really baby and appreciate because you know you're going to consume it yourself and have it as a personal thing rather than trying to sell it. 643 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,000 I love that connection to the home grow. 644 00:45:40,000 --> 00:46:01,000 Yeah, it's one of the main reasons that I continue to grow is because I can grow the strains that I like and keep them alive whereas on the commercial scale here it seems to change every six months you have like a whole different list of names out there and it's hard to find some of those older names and strains which people really want. 645 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,000 So I see there's a big push for that in the cannabis community to bring back those old strains. 646 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:25,000 I'd like to see it. I learned most of what I know in the growing side of it from these hardy resilient strains and we didn't have to baby them as much at the time of growing in every type of grow medium hydroponic system and indoor outdoor and some of the older strangers. 647 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000 They put these new ones to shame. They're so much stronger and kind of miss that. 648 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,000 What's your preferred method at your house or for yourself personally. 649 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:52,000 I use a pro mix. Right now I have five gallon pots. It's real easy and quick to turn over, do a little perlite at the bottom, start on a 20 and 4, 20 on and 4 off in the light slowly work into flowering after a couple months, vegem a little longer than normal just as I have the time and have a little more yield at the end of it. 650 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,000 I probably do four full rotations a year at home with my little garage. 651 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:14,000 Yeah, I do about four myself and that's the thing you can let them go a little bit further too. So that changes the terpene profiles and it really changes the overall cannabinoid spectrum too and you can definitely tell the difference. 652 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:25,000 Oh yeah. You can assume it. A lot of the cannabis strains on the commercial market are fast producing, bulky, look good, but that doesn't mean it's always going to make you feel the best. 653 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:42,000 That's right. Yeah, some of the stronger terpene smells really do take more time to develop. They don't have that seven week finish like some of the more purple, colorful strains have. But if you can take the time and have the space and rotation it's nice to give it that extra bit. 654 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:47,000 So you are in the process of getting your own facility running correct. 655 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:59,000 I'm working towards a partnership with the current owners. I'm their contractor as of now doing the construction side soon to be a large indoor grow facility 15,000 square feet in phase two over there. 656 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:03,000 It'll be all on sliding trays. 657 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:18,000 We'll have something like 500 lights that are all 630 watts ceramic metal halides. That'll be a pretty large production. We're just waiting on stuff like power and water and to be finished with the framing and instruction inspections and also definitely some time. 658 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,000 But by beginning of next year there'll be plants in the building. 659 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:35,000 Nice. That sounds good. What are some of the strains that you plan on running there? Are you going to be forced to run some strains that are available or do you plan on running some that you like from your past? 660 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:45,000 Well, the owners are very generous in letting me do most of the recommendation. I'd like to do some of the local strains that have been popular through guys like BrainStrap and Heart and Soil like I'm growing at home. 661 00:48:45,000 --> 00:49:00,000 But being on such a large scale we do have to see what's popular in the stores and selling in bulk just to keep up because it'll be such large batches that we kind of have to work with the times and do these popular trendy strains and just keep up with that. 662 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,000 It's just what the customers want in the stores. 663 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:14,000 Yeah, it's a whole different market. The market here changed a little while ago because they changed the law where medical patients can only buy eight grams of concentrate and they used to be able to buy up to 28 or more. 664 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:21,000 That's right. So the sales of medical and concentrates has almost went cut in half. 665 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:29,000 And now that that need for that we to extract is not not there. That's right. You got to look out for different avenues. 666 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:43,000 That's guys backup plan or you know a lot of the main plans to is going to extract and you know having these these little cuts like that affect them greatly if they're not going to flower and relying on some kind of extraction process it needs to be able to be purchased 667 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,000 like it was and everybody get as much as they want because they're just a few grams. The price goes up. 668 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:54,000 You know the customer is losing too. So it doesn't really make sense that they only have to buy a small amount of time. 669 00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,000 Yeah. So you actually help other other people to put their grows together here or build their structures. 670 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:05,000 I have I've done some shipping containers with lucky seven. I've also worked part time there. 671 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:11,000 My wife and I have done some harvest work and plant maintenance work regularly some spraying and transplanting. 672 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:17,000 There's been a few places that have needed helps in the two years that we've worked here. So it's nice to meet a lot of people. 673 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:24,000 No regards gardens moved in next to us recently and they have a spot here in phase one and looking forward to seeing new people like that start up next year. 674 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:31,000 It'll be a big wave of new people that have moved in these past few months. Yeah. And that's just going to be more common. I believe so. 675 00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:37,000 Are there any strains that you avoid growing at home or you would never grow on a commercial scare. 676 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:43,000 Yeah. Why. It's tough to say I've had strains that I've had multiple phenotypes of like an L.A. 677 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:49,000 confidential was a great example. Some of them were great but some of them were so prone to just having mildew no matter what. 678 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,000 I would have preventative methods and good room conditions plants right next to it of a different strain would be totally fine. 679 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,000 But this plant in particular would always have something on it and I eventually stopped growing it. 680 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:07,000 It's not that I have anything against it because the phenome that was resilient was great product. 681 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,000 I've seen some clones from clones eventually deteriorate in their quality and their resilience. 682 00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:22,000 Lately these past couple of years I've been starting from seed starting new moms and having that first or second generation just a lot more production and a lot more hearty for sure. 683 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:33,000 I think that's a big movement to the cannabis community. A lot more growers are moving to seeds to avoid viral late in the year. 684 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:41,000 Or pathogens that pass along powdery mildew. They don't want to get a cut or they they they like one part of the plant but not another. 685 00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,000 So they're mixing their own together to come up with their own medicine and just it's fun. 686 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:48,000 It's cool to see. I really like it. This is an inspiring area for sure. 687 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,000 It's fun. I kind of like compared to having dogs but you don't have to take care of them like a kid. 688 00:51:53,000 --> 00:52:04,000 But when you breed them you got a bunch of seeds you get this a whole you get to pick your studs you get to pick your female you like and then you can breed them and come up with their own breeding. 689 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:15,000 I've had some weird mutants recently in the last batch of seeds. I started I had 40 or so from heart and soil and only two of them didn't pop. 690 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:26,000 And one of them came up in this kind of triploid growth where I think that's the right term where instead of a symmetrical to growth it's got a three initial growth of the cotyledons and the secondary stages. 691 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:39,000 It looks a little squirrely but from a few people have told me that if that's a male that'd be really good to breed because they might not be heavy yielders but that's where they get a lot of that stink from is some of these cool males that are almost a mutant plant. 692 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:49,000 So I heard some I had one recently too is a CBG plant mad dog 2020 or something like that I had the trifloid and I looked it up. Triploid. 693 00:52:49,000 --> 00:53:06,000 I can't remember if that was a good example of it is something genetically like a mutation with the chromosomes I believe but some with the trifloid if you have a one, a female it is going to be sterile of a trifloid female I don't know about a male. 694 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:18,000 Interesting. If the, if the pollen but they if you can get a, it's going to be something for the future. I heard for outdoor growing, there's a great season here for outdoors there wasn't many seeds from what I heard. 695 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:29,000 Yeah, but since it's a sterile plant, it will prevent the pile pollination cross pollination from other grows, that'd be a good good genetic trait to pass on. 696 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:43,000 Is it a trifle you might want to hold on to just for that just to see if if it is true and it is a trifle aid or if it's just a three plant which is a different term because somebody told me it wasn't a trifle aid but I haven't had another. 697 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:59,000 I haven't had time to go research it is but it's a good, good topic for to research or for somebody that is the three leaf, instead of two, is it a trifle or is it a different term and the trifle it is the only detectable through some type of gene analysis or tissue, I'm not sure. 698 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:14,000 Yeah, there's definitely something some other word I can't recall for it. The one I have is not a very pretty growth the leaves are misshapen and there's some discoloration on it that just every other plant is healthy but this one just even though it has that interesting growth, I know you have some freak show in there. 699 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:27,000 Yeah, and his collection maybe some freak show got in there and get it all messed up. Maybe that's a good name for it. Yeah, there's a freak show out there which has these really highly serrated leaves on it and just doesn't look like a cannabis plant at all. 700 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,000 I think I saw almost looks like a fern or something. Yeah. 701 00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:45,000 Yeah, some people are mixing it I saw him post a picture of it the other day. That's cool. It's pretty wild. So, what's the future. You said you're getting your grow going and what else would you like to say up there. 702 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:59,000 I've really enjoyed being out here. This is our second year and keep meeting more friends and I love the skiing close by and the hot springs around and having this community of smokers and growers it just makes it that much sweeter. 703 00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:10,000 It's in the middle of nowhere but it's kind of a diamond in the rough out here and we've been loving it ever since the Holly. Yeah, we recommend I've been done people it's kind of like the field of dreams for cannabis consumers. 704 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:22,000 If you build it, they will come, people are coming and that's why I'm down here trying to help promote it. Yeah, turn it into that cannabis Mecca, where we can feel comfortable and not to worry about. 705 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:44,000 Piss tests or yeah, it will be that there's so many more job opportunities coming in the next year with all the new grows. Everybody works hard and tears up and they'll need twice as many employees, and if we get a little housing out here I can really see this area being much more popular than it is now so these big parties are great next year we'll have a lot more of these I'm sure. 706 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:54,000 All right, yeah, I highly appreciate you coming on the show today sharing your knowledge and information. I wish you all the best of luck with your grow. It's a competitive market out there right now. 707 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,000 It is thanks for having me. Appreciate it. 708 00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:16,000 Thank you. 709 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:31,000 Those rumors that you're her. 710 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:46,000 That's the saddest point.