Alright guys, I'm here with a special guest.
I'm here with Brett from Heart and Soil.
Welcome back to Re-Further, Re-Further podcast where we reference cannabis and cannabis usage
and proper ways to consume it.
So thanks for coming on Brett.
Thank you.
Thanks for having me.
And I really didn't have to go anywhere.
You bring the studio wherever you go so that's awesome.
Yeah I try to make it easy and as comfortable as possible and just have a conversation like
we're just hanging out.
Yeah and it was about time you come and check out the garden.
We'll do that after this and just have you out here.
We've hooked up at a lot of different events and gotten to know each other so it's cool
to come here.
Yeah we actually met at the Growcast Rocky Mountain Chapter get together up here.
That's the first time we met.
It was the Yuma coffee joint or actually no, it was at the Adams Farmers Market.
Shout out to Adams for his little farmers market and then you told me about the Growcast
and we met up there and shout out to Growcast for setting that up and all the people that
show up to Growcast Rocky Mountain Chapter get together.
We're going to have another one on the 30th.
It's what 6 to 9 pm I think.
Yeah 6 to 9 pm at the Yuma at the coffee joint.
Yeah with Takin' Tops Cannabis.
Takin' Tops, I'm pretty sure Matt from BrainStrap and Area 120 will be there.
Exactly.
Farmer John will be there.
Internal Equinox.
Yeah Internal Equinox will be there.
There will be a bunch of people there.
If you're in the area in Denver.
Yeah definitely a place to come up and meet up some new breeders or if you have any questions
or if you want to find out what Growcast is about I'm sure he would love to spit it out
and let you know what's happening.
It's a great little forum where you can learn a lot of Grow tips on Discord correct?
Yeah and that's where I like.
Jordan and Growcast and the Growcast family has been really great to me and I started
my Discord because of Jordan's encouragement and it's really been like he brought me onto
the podcast and the whole community.
I met you, we met Takin' Tops I think through there but basically it's a real community
people doing cannabis work throughout the country.
Yeah I like the mojo, everybody's pretty laid back.
Yeah everybody's laid back.
Nobody's got ego tripping.
Yeah exactly it's a place for learning and proper communication and collaboration and
yeah so it's you know it isn't the Growcast show but that's how we met you know and you
really impressed me just by how much you know once we met you're like yeah these are the
things I want to do and you've really like jumped into it and like started doing it and
you know doing your podcast, getting entrenched in the community.
I see all the events.
That's really what it takes I feel like you know in this.
Yeah boots on the ground.
Boots on the ground being a part of the community and I've just myself started you know doing
some of that in the last year and that's like where I met people like you and Tops and like
all these people.
Yeah I like everybody's initiative.
They're all go-gators.
Nobody's sitting around waiting for somebody else to take care of them.
Exactly.
They're out there helping spread the knowledge and asking questions and learning at the same
time.
Exactly I'm constantly learning from a lot of these people and we went to the Queen of
the Sun and Growcast.
Oh you were there?
Yeah it was the Living Soil class.
In the Living Soil class which was fantastic.
You think you know something about living soil and then you go to a class like that
you're like damn there's so many things I don't know and you know IMO you know IMO
1, 2, 3 all these different you know ferments you know that you know people like Miles are
doing.
There you know it's a lot of things that like you know you thought you knew about but
really you know when you put it into practice there's so many different applications and
so many things to learn.
It's just infinite.
Yeah you never stop learning something new every day.
You can't meet enough new people and you know even though you think you know I know enough
you know I got enough knowledge you know there's always more that you can add to your repertoire.
With more research there's always something coming out every day.
Exactly.
Oh my gosh I didn't know that.
And now that we can actually do a lot of these things and do more research they're finding
out more things that they didn't know before.
One thing that drew me to you also was you had one of the most over the top living soil
concepts and you got all the little critters in there and it's kind of where I want to
move into and it's very interesting and you grow your own food and vegetables too.
So it's not just all about the cannabis it's about your overall health taking care of yourself.
And just being self-sustaining and like doing it you know on the low on the cheap you know
and finding the best ways to make use of what you have and turning something into nothing
that's always been my saying you know.
I turned you know you could turn this soil which is you know when you separate it it's
nothing it's worthless.
You put it together you give it time you give it love you give it some a few critters doing
some work for you give it some water get some light magic happens you know.
And it's pretty cool like I said to be able to grow you know cannabis the seeds grow the
business you know grew hundreds of pounds of food you know that and that I'll show you
this little you know little square you know garden back here you know.
It's like I call the I call people like us producers and not reducers.
Yeah yeah yeah.
There's a lot of reducers out there consume and we're trying to produce something.
Givers and takers right.
And the same concept.
We want to like give give more than we take you know and leave leave more than we take
you know not just like daily and like with you know food and but like in life you know
it's like hopefully when we're gone like we've given more to this world than we've taken
you know that's I think that's why we've vibed and like why people the GrowCast community
and people link up we just catch vibes because we want to we want to do we love for a living
but also give back to this community that's given us so much.
That's my that's my goal is to educate especially if you're on the East Coast we're pretty I
don't know we're oblivious to what's going on out of this state because we've been around
cannabis and it's been legal so long here that it's normal it's like nothing to us but
we go back East where people are living in a place where still illegal.
They're on a hush and they're still asking questions they don't know because people are
still intimidated to talk about it even if I talk about it that my job might hear then
I might get a random piss test then I might lose my job.
Yeah exactly yeah and there's even people you know don't want to like posts or you know
follow you know different things or you know you know discord is a place where you know
you can really tap into community kind of kind of have a little bit of anonymity.
Yeah but it's not to the public.
It's not so public and you can put your you know whatever name you want in there and stuff
like that which is like kind of like a new thing for me but yeah you're right like you
know there's a lot of people out there that don't you're scared to ask questions and they're
scared to post pictures or do anything like that.
And even if they've been consuming for 20 years there's so much technology so many new
extracts coming out every day that they can't keep up it's hard for us to keep up when we're
right in the mix of it.
Right yeah and so it's I think it's important to ask questions and educate yourself and you
know educate others you know in person too because a lot of this you know a lot of these
you know conversations they're not had online.
I mean you know I'll get the dog.
The dog's cute chair staring out at the dog.
The dog's hanging out.
Hi Charlie.
Hi Bella.
They're just hanging out.
Yeah some good dogs.
Oh yeah they're awesome.
See yeah.
But yeah I know that kind of we kind of sidetracked.
I know you kind of had a plan.
Usually when I start out I ask people usually how they got involved in cannabis.
When did you first consume and how because you're doing this it's obviously had a strong
hold on your life and influenced your life in some way.
So how did it come to you and how did you find out it was something that helped you
and that you wanted to involve in your life.
You know like I think you know just like most kids I was just curious like what you know
what this stuff was I'd seen you know some of my cousins or you know other people like
you know they had you know like you know smoked and you know I was like oh what's.
Well first of all where are you from.
I'm from Texas.
Texas all right so that makes a big difference because it's illegal there and like it's harder
you know how many other people consumed around you.
Yeah if you grew up in California where it's a little more normal it's kind of a different
story.
Yeah in Texas it's like definitely like black sheep scenario you know me and like you know
three or four of my friends you know we're like we I forget who got it you know it wasn't
me.
We got it we like went in the backyard like smoked like this little pipe you know and
just like you know put it in there and smoked it.
It was like the first time I don't even know if we even like we didn't I didn't know if
we got high you know we got caught by my buddy's mom and like she and she smoked.
We later found out but she was like she was pissed you know and like and she was like
you guys can't do that here and blah blah blah blah.
But like then we like the next place we did it was like the golf course like well nobody
can nobody's going to catch us here and that's when we got it you know you know actually
got high for the first time and you know it was like you know for it was just fun you
know it was like exploring the new new world and it's like a new just new experiences and
and you know exploring it's like you know later on it was like mushrooms you know it
was like experiencing the world in a new way you know it's like just taking a walk was
different on you know smoking or you know riding a bike or whatever.
So it was like it kind of made it made it you know just a little bit more fun a little
bit more enjoyable.
Obviously didn't have too many pains at that time you know I didn't have like a pretty
good you know pretty good home life so I didn't have like anything to escape from it was just
more for enjoyment you know and loving and experiencing life in a new way and there's
so much like a little more brightness you know the sun shines a little brighter when
you when you got a little buzzed to you.
It does make you a little more in tune with nature in my mind a lot of people say the
same thing we did a lot a lot of time in nature with cannabis and that's like kind of where
we went you know on hikes and like in bike you know bike rides because that's like you
know you couldn't it was getting away you know no one's gonna like it's it's now that's
where you go it's like in the woods to smoke your weed you know it's because like yeah
I'm from West Virginia so it's all woods there and we were from a small town it was really
boring or go to the fields or go to the back roads or whatever when you got older like
cruising the back roads of the car we rode bikes and it was definitely we would just
go for hikes yeah miles and miles in the woods yeah yeah so you know it was it was like all
fun you know at first and then you know I mean it just became normal you know I was
smoking you know high school smoking you know almost on the daily you know.
Did it help you with studies at all or did it make you more interested in certain aspects
of life?
I don't know it made me interested in like you know it more in nature you know and like
you know I really wanted to know how this plant was grown like I tried to grow one time
in the backyard and you know and my mom I think like you know I was so you know I was
so bad at like getting away with stuff I got caught like all the time you know and like
I let you know I planted some seeds in the backyard but I left some of the bag of weed
like with a feed that seems like right on the windowsill outside so she like found it
like saw the little holes like you trying to plant weed back in my backyard you know
so but like you know I was just really curious about like how this I'd never seen a weed
plant in my life.
Yeah I was very curious too my first one.
How does this bud happen you know and like the first time.
There was no information at that time.
No information at all yeah yeah.
Well how actually what year was it because I grew up in high school it was 92 93 and
there really wasn't internet to search.
Yeah oh yeah oh six oh six was when I was when I graduated.
There was a little more internet a little bit more information out there.
If you wanted to but like you know you can also search your browser history too it's
like if you're searching cannabis and they still can you know if you're searching whatever
they can find out what you've been searching so like I didn't search cannabis stuff online
like you know I'm too scared you know it's like whatever information was out there you
know it was like from the guy I bought it from or like that was about it.
So around that time what I actually wasn't even in the country at that time I was living
in Spain and I was smoking hash the whole time.
Oh wow.
I really didn't have access to cannabis.
Yeah there was like no hash here you know.
I had never even.
But in Texas at the time would you have chronic was it chronic and like mids or.
So you know you had like.
Reggie's.
You had swag you know you had some like kind you know kind bud that was probably like you
know either outdoor or greenhouse or really mediocre grown indoor and then you had like
what we call a dro.
Dro yeah.
Like hydro like hydro was like the best you know out there you know that was like the
you know it was like the frostiest the best you know later to find out you know like now
as like a organic grower it's like the exact opposite now it's like you know the salts
the bids you know or salts in the beds you know and like the you know the organic stuff
is more you know the top choice for me personally.
It's evolved a little bit.
But it's like yeah it's evolved a little bit and you know still it's still you know you
know you can't deny some of the you know T.C. content like the you know the pictures the
beauty of just you know hydro you know and you're just you know salt fed nutrients like
yeah I talked to if you're if you're a grown if you're growing weed in any capacity we're
on the same team like no no salts first organics you know battle here for me you know growing
I support you.
Yeah exactly exactly battles on how you do it the way that I just decided to do it.
But yeah it's like you know as a kid it was just more for you know for fun and I saw like
the business aspect of it also you know got into dabbling in that aspect of it in high
school and then I got you know luckily got kind of so I knew that I knew that people
somebody knew that was it was bad you know somebody knew that shouldn't have known what
I was doing and they let me know that they knew and that I needed to cut it out because
you know it was a hand out lucky so I got lucky and I got out when you know at the right
time I went to college and then I ended up fracturing my lower back my L1 L2 bulging
disc I got a really bad spinal injury and you know I was smoking all before that but
like that's when like cannabis really came into play for me you know as like a healing
agent you know before I was just like get my mind right you know I was you know I used
it because I was like really high high strong I had like anger issues in high school so
I got smoked for that but like you know with you know when I had pain there was always
you know when you took like a hydrocodone or something that wasn't that wasn't helping
the pain for me it was just getting me high personally you know I mean hydrocodone it's
like and things like that like you know they just they don't you know they don't cure my
my back pain you know I've never made this block them they just kind of block block the
pain and yeah not even for me it's like I still felt the pain I was just high and it
made my back hurt and then when I when I wears off the pain is even worse yeah yeah yeah
so like but if the you know with cannabis you know it really helped with inflammation
did were you consuming edibles or were you smoking yeah I was just smoking yeah and
there was there was there were no dabs at that time so there were some old school has
closest thing to dabs was like the knife hits you know or like Keith you know you get like
your teeth and you press your teeth and then you take like a knife hit or like a gravity
bong hit of your teeth you know that was like the closest thing to the bottom of your grinder
it's like a dab yeah exactly exactly so so during this time did you have any issues like
have you ever ended up in bad predicaments or any kind of like yeah rested in jail yeah
I was like you know get beat up and all my gunpoint types deals because you know it was
kind of dangerous back yeah I mean you know those those things you know of all happened
unfortunately you know including the getting beat up part that wasn't necessarily over
cannabis but like there's always cannabis involved but like you know we were that was
just a bad you know protecting somebody that was getting jumped and then I got jumped
right along with so sorry about that we had a little technical issue the recording stop
and Brett was talking about how he got jumped but uh it was always alcohol involved or something
yeah alcohol or meth or coke or steroids or like you know the whole gamut of kind of like
the aggressive type of drugs you know where you know cannabis was always like you know
much more chill and like it was obvious when you went to a party that was just like cannabis
smokers like everyone's just having a good time chilling just never fights and anything
like that but when you got all kinds of other things involved you know it could like it
goes south pretty quick yeah I think alcohol is the catalyst for much of those yeah and
that's usually the first question I ask is alcohol involved and then it leads to other
drugs it leads to other things and then craziness ensues so yeah I just I saw it really that
was like you know kind of path I wanted to go just like the more natural route you know
in terms of you know my my extracurricular activities you know but you know I was always
you know seen as like you know the guy the smoker like you know the pothead or whatever
even though it was like you know playing sports and doing all that kind of stuff and excelling
in those things you know you know the coaches you know would you know kind of treat me a
little differently or yeah I mean they to be fair you know in Texas it's super illegal
and at any point if I'm involved in that stuff I could I could you know go go to jail and
they didn't want to you know mess with that so like you know it was obvious that like
certain certain people didn't want me hanging around their kids or like certain kids didn't
want me hanging around because they were scared yeah I had parents who didn't want me hanging
out with their kids they were my best friends but we couldn't hang out because I was the
troublemaker and I and I get it and I completely understand you know but now it's like one
of those things we were talking about there's you know those same people you know that like
shunned you or whatever you know asking you advice on like strains and stuff like that
or wanting to buy seeds or you know or whatever or they're just wanting to know what CBD or
what do you recommend CBD is the biggest one or my arthritis or sleep or pain and what
do you recommend I'm tired of opiates and yeah and I'm happy to help them yeah I'm
all about that's what the podcast for that's why we're here and that's one thing I like
about the community like we were talking about earlier we're all about that positivity and
teaching and helping other people's get involved instead of having egos and yeah yeah just
be like oh I've been in the game for however many years you have a disagreement with the
way I grow that I don't want to talk to you and I respect the time you know and like yeah
in the and doing things you know you know a lot of people like said been in it for a
long time but like I think we should welcome more people into the fold not keep people
out you know and put up walls I think we should like build a bigger table not a bigger wall
you know it's like I don't know so yeah I think you know like what you're doing is important
like educating people and like showing that like people that normalizing yeah maybe have
been using canvas their whole lives you know they're even though it was illegal you know
it doesn't make them a bad person you know there's you know people you know all right
a lot of people are in it for you know different reasons you know they really are a lot of
people in it just to heal you know heal themselves heal you know the planet you know and you
know I'm trying to do you know everything I can to do it you know as natural as I can
to give respect to the back to the planet and to the plant you know it's it's more
than just about cannabis and getting high now it definitely has a symbiotic relationship
with the human body with the endocannabinoid system and the phyto cannabinoids how they
replenish the the ones missing in your body and help with autoimmune it's wild that we
already have receptors and or makes people feel better yeah exactly exactly so yeah it's
a you know so you never been arrested I've been really close but I have been I can't
remember if we hit on this after the little microphone I've been arrested a couple times
you know but you know once once for cannabis possession but the other times it was like
now I was stealing beer out of someone's garage and like got hit with a felony you know and
you know then I failed the drug test while I was on that you know probation and then
that kind of you know I had to go like another two years of probation and like doing all
the so it's like I definitely got hit you know and I you know and I went to like I said
I went to jail just overnight for cannabis possession got out the next day so like nothing
like you know yeah where I was from West Virginia to slap on the wrist for like under a half
an hour I got lucky it was I only got caught from possession you know and I wasn't involved
in some of the other bigger bigger things that happen to people unfortunately so if
we also discussed the edibles how you were hypersensitive to edibles and to me I eat
a large quantity edibles sometimes they give me energy but you avoid the edibles I avoid
the edibles and like yeah some people swear by I used to know people that would like eat
edibles for breakfast literally and like go to work and like do great you know not me
you know I do like the tenders there right I mean I prefer the tinctures over the edibles
because they you know they don't get down to the stomach and you actually absorb them
you know whereas like the edibles are kind of like it's fun because it's like candy or
like whatever like all of a sudden you're high you know but for me like when I'm eating
either the tincture or the edible like during the day I just get like super really like
super tired or lethargic excuse me you know and it just it doesn't make for a productive
day for me typically same with like a lot of different flour unless it's a sativa but
with dabs I feel like even like even slightly in indica and I try to you know go with sativa
dominant or you know you know hybrids or whatever but even if it's like slightly indica like
I feel like I take a dab and just get to work and do everything yeah I was talking earlier
and about rolling a joint it's like a little ritual it takes a little time to prep it up
so it's not the most efficient thing then the first thing in the morning right exactly
yeah one and to be fair my my office is like right over there you know it's not too far
away you know but I do have other things I have to do you know I do you know most of
the picking up dropping off of the kids and like you know meals and stuff like that so
I'm running around doing all kinds of stuff you know during the day so I get a lot of
my work done the first like two to three hours a day between like five and you know 8 a.m.
or something yeah I do too the gardeners usually get up early and I'm up five o'clock and knock
it out usually by 12 I'm done I'm ready to take a little nap exactly I'm ready for get
up and do the same thing in the evening yeah sometimes I will if I can squeeze in a nap
I'll get an hour or two nap in and rock it up I lived in Spain where we take part of
siesta it's a daily thing so I'm used to it get up do a bunch of stuff take a little nap
get up repeat the process yeah that's awesome but yeah it's about time to take a little
break here and then we're going to come back and talk about some other things about the
phenol hunting what we look for in our in our strains what we look for in a in a breeding
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we're back from a little break there and we had to smoke a little blunt and get our
head straight so we're going to come back and we're going to talk about Fino hunting
and what we look for in our breeding and what we breed for and what we look for in a male
and then talk about some of the seeds we have available online so what are you doing right
now you are going through a Fino hunt at this so we went through a big Fino hunt the skunk
hunt over the last year and a half we started popping seeds a while back and we found 12
different phenos of 70 different strains and narrowed it down to about 12 different phenotypes
how many seeds did you pop all together a couple hundred so you popped a couple hundred
and narrowed it down to 12 exactly and there's a bunch of different skunks in there I wouldn't
say RKS roadkill skunk that's what we were searching for and we didn't find that exact
terpene profile but in the hunt we found a lot of winners and a lot of raunchy stuff
trash can juices and real you know string called bigfoot stick if you guys have been
following along at all you know you've seen that one in the intergalactic encounter it's
been selling out I'm not selling out but it's been selling very quickly and just you know
some really raunchy strains what are some other ones so just to let the people know
for this specific phenohunt what you're searching for is a specific aroma smell a terpene so
yes let me rewind a little bit because I'm on the same hunt I've tried it's a big topic
now so there's a big topic now is you know the roadkill skunk you know is it alive I
mean is it still around you know is it you know still you know to be found and you know
a lot of people said you know it's gone forever you know it's you know or you know or you
know it's it's I have the real you know cut or whatever you know there's a big discussion
right now and I was like well let's see what there is to find you know let me just to hunt
you know skunk number one let me hunt you know a bunch of these other skunk you know
things labeled as skunk and see if we find skunk turps and I popped a lot of packs labeled
skunk some that weren't labeled skunk some that were just like Afghan Thai hybrids or
like you know different land races or heirlooms that I thought maybe could have you know some
skunk terpenes and you know I think the you know that you know that hunt taught me a lot
about you know just being a hunting in general and especially like when you're hunting for
a certain terpene you know I hunt for a lot of things at once you know you know not just
one terpene but you hunt for one terpene if you're just hunting for the terpene you really
are just doing that you got to put a lot of other things kind of like out out of your
scope you know you got to really dial in on just the terpenes well if you do that you
there's gonna be chinks in the armor along the way and I think you know we were talking
about this before when we weren't recording it's like the true skunk hunt you know when
you hunt through some of that really skunky stuff you find herbs you know a lot of that
stuff is just sexually unstable well I think it was originally a mix of like well it was
a mix of some land races a Mexican Thai or Colombian and an Afghan but some of those
Thai land races especially the sativas are pretty prone to herming into and just in general
like you know you know a lot of them were like bag seats you know and you know they
weren't like a lot of them weren't being like you know cloned or or properly they were selectively
bred so like it was like whatever was in the bag a lot of times yeah so a lot of people
don't know I know this and you know this if you find a bag seed normally it's because
it hermed or it got cross pollinated but if it's on a commercial scale and they got all
one strain normally it's going to be germinated by itself which is from a hermy and there's
a lot of unstable strains that you'll get on the on the market or in a bag and nine
times out of ten it's going to be from a herm and those are going to be susceptible to be
in hermies too because it's a trait that passes down exactly so you know in that skunk
cut that was a big you know barrier we had to like you know kind of weed our way through
like select you know obviously kill anything that showed sexual instability we wanted to
do a breeding project with the vaulted skunk but the male ended up shooting pistols like
it was shooting not it was you know I fully know that's great ready to pop and then it
popped pollen and along with the pollen sack opening pistols started coming out and I'm
like well shit the hairs you know so I'm like I don't want to breed with this you know because
you know obviously you know the male is like where a lot of you know the I saw that the
last round backbone of the line come and I had to throw those out yeah so that was unfortunate
but you know we obviously killed all the males but like we ran a big phenol and you know
that was you know so that was so there's other things involved too like the structure you
know I want to plant that correct has no branching and barely any root stalk and the stem small
but it smells great yeah yeah I mean it correct you might like a lot of you know it's not
really something if you're going to be for breeding you're not going to want to do that
because those root zones if they don't grow and clone right so the ones that we yeah the
ones that we selected you know have the raunchiest turps in the mix that were stable and checked
a lot of boxes if not all the boxes for us you know and some of the things that we kept
weren't necessarily skunky like the Raymond skunk 91 since he's gone if you've smelled
that before if anybody's you know had any of that it's not skunky but it's awesome weed
it's just super chunky you know you know you know purple you know a lot of you know there's
a couple there's two different phenols but like one of them is like grapey lavender one's
more like you know kush and like you know you know diesel fuel you know ish you know
but more likes on the sweet you know with like sweeter profiles so like you know checks
a lot of boxes you know veg as well grows well finishes early chunky frosty tasty effective
you know very potent weeds like great but it's not it's not skunky but it has two skunks
in the name and that's kind of like you know a lot of people found is like just because
it says skunk on this package doesn't mean it's going to be skunky weed and it has a
possibility of being probably is there somewhere and if it was maybe grown in a different environment
or maybe different soil in a different region it might trigger those terpenes to kind of
have a slight difference in their chemical profile to bring that out maybe yeah and sometimes
it's just like in the name and they you know they call it skunk and it gets passed on but
well I got a skunk one I think you grew the same skunk one and seeds that I had a bunch
of skunk one and it came out herbaceous and fruity or not fruity but it was like herbaceous
and more of a sweet smell I got a sweet haze a sweet haze it grew very haze like the ones
I the one the skunk number ones I had you know wasn't super skunky but yeah so like
you know that was all you know part of the skunk phenohunt so that's that's what I'm
working on now is a breeding project with with maybe using those females and a bunch
of other females as well with a sage and sage cross to 82 skunk from sage master select
out of duck nice so that you know that that's that's in the room right now I just got flipped
a flower so so are you going to pollinate those with your glassache males so that you
have so his his his male his male so yeah we you know so I'm going to use your little
collaboration there it is yeah so it's the sage you know which is an afghan dominant
and then crossed to his 82 skunk which is also according to his reports an afghan more
of an afghan dominant and then the you know the male that I selected was leaning towards
that 82 skunk side of the lineage you know as opposed to the sage which has a little
bit more bubbly leaves you know the the 82 skunk has more like longer fingers like the
afghan look you know but more little more serration maybe so more serration and yeah
like more finger like whereas like you know you know some some place you know leaves are
more fan like some leaves are more like finger like you know you know I'm saying I've seen
a lot of different there's so many different types beautiful huh watching them all and
how but yeah so um but yeah well uh we're gonna we got a bunch we all that you know
the you know the skunk fetus that we hunted plus a bunch of other stuff in there um you
just have to wait and see so you have a line right now you have two lines and one of them
is more of a peruvian punch which is a peruvian strain like a land race from peru and then
the other one's more of an afghan right and so I think we actually have like seven lines
right now we have a bunch of strains so we have you know if you look you know we got
we did so we started with you know the peruvian line so we did a peruvian male that we um
actually I went to Peru brought back some seeds did you know an f2 project you know
with those you know the the peruvians and then along with that did 23 different crosses
uh all at the same time so why did you pick that male so you weren't looking for a skunk
hunt was it just a great strong sounds like four years ago whenever I served you know
five years ago whenever I first started breeding so that's where like the whole line starts
like you know I have you know I have been lines have been built upon lines have been
built upon lines I have 80 different strains that I've made over the course of about five
years and you know they started you know they all start with like a land race you know and
like a backbone and then kind of go from there and so like we did like you know the land
race you know f2 you know the peruvian and then we you know cross that to mac one we
cross that to ancient or I mean uh alien rock candy we cross that to uh gmo we didn't you
know we did a bunch of different crosses and then we hunted through those and one of the
main ones that we found uh was the peruvian punch which is mendo breath purple punch peruvian
heirloom um and that we found between like the all the different crosses that we had
made that one to be the most consistent um really hit my all checked all my boxes for
flower growth rates everything from start to finish um so that was the peruvian punch
that we did we did like a peruvian punch line and then we you know we did peruvian two peruvian
punch lines like peruvian punch you know version one peruvian punch f2 line um and you know
you can find the peruvian punch through a couple different things and then we went with
the uh did a mosambique line so we had a friend a girlfriend that had family in mosambique
and malawi so i popped all those seeds in a mosambique line and um and that was like
you know more sativa obviously and then um you know we did uh we did some more work with
the peruvian um and some afghan i saw some afghan and then the next thing was the afghan
line and we did uh an afghan punch which was afghan hindu kush uh directly from afghanistan
brought over by a us service member and went like hunting through like 60 seeds of those
and did a you know selected three males from that and did the peruvian punch which was
you know i mean the afghan punch was the peruvian punch across to the afghan so for some of
our lu listeners out there you selected these land races what is exactly a land race and
why did you use these land races for the backbone and you use the term land race you know i
kind of you know to kind of lay out my definition of the terms you know land race in my opinion
is is hard if not impossible for us to get our hands on because land race would would
mean that the land is doing all the work you know that the land is is proliferating these
plants and there are places on the world in the world that does happen well they just
kind of like they can survive on their own with nobody giving them nutrients and they
survive the harsh weather there's like a siberian one that i use that i would consider that to
be a land race because it's a ruderalis from siberia that was like selected and i believe
collected in the wild those seeds were collected in the wild whereas you know you know an heirloom
would be like you know that would be you know cultivated in the region you know multiple
generations you know would that be over you know multiple years time you know and those
seeds were you know grown and collected and then grown again in the same region and i
would consider that to be an heirloom they become more adaptive to that specific climate
yeah and they just like they give it a certain terroir you know it's like the the wine from
france versus the wine from argentina versus the wine from here all has a different if
they're using donkey dung or if they're using like a what that's not even that or like a
lot of times it's the whole thing it's like the light it's the it's the sun it's like
whether it's on the equator versus here versus you know this soil is more acidic or this
soil is volcanic or you know it's uh and then you know those plants start to adapt to that
region so that's you know what makes what makes like you know an argentinian pinot noir
different from a france a french pinot noir you know it's same thing with with cannabis
and yeah that you know where you grow things is is is uh does matter and you pull something
out of an environment grow it inside it totally does different but um what i would consider
an heirloom would be you know land race is like you know for me there's a lot of different
different people say there's none left left or it's like it's really like it's ditch
weed pretty much because it's growing out it's been growing out for generations it's
not selecting for thc or anything it's just selecting for like survival rate yeah so when
i'm live we uh we had farmers along the river and during world war two they were told to
grow hemp for the war or is it world war one i'm not sure yeah and uh for parachutes rope
uh save the save the america with hemp you know and so after the war they cut those farmers
off from that and but some of the seeds got into the river and they would go down the
river and turned into river weed so they got this called romney red but basically cvd but
it's survived since world war one and world war two and they still have to go down the
river and eradicate it oh and to me that would be very close to a land race yeah yeah i would
agree i would agree with that but it's very uh cvd oriented uh people would grab some
and take it down to the city and sell it and like get out of town they would just they
wouldn't be able to sell it to people they knew because they get a bad rep but they could
take it down to the city and sell it and yeah i got hold out down one-time deal and like
the yeah they have they look good and people people probably do that with hemp flower all
the time so but it probably does have some kind of medical oh i'm sure i'm sure yeah
i just didn't do the the thing people wanted if it's dentures with cvd or something but
it might not get you high exactly but it's still there and they still have to go through
and eradicate it every year so it's it's possible that that could be classified as a land race
if it survives yeah yeah so like you know everyone's got their own definitions but like
i would consider a lot of things i do you know to be like air you know air loop from
heirloom genetics and you know i don't even want to get into the you know you know uh
because you know some people get really offended if you if you're saying oh you got land race
you know it's like well here's my definition yeah everybody everyone's got you know their
own their own thing but yeah so i uh then you know so then i did the afghan after i
did the afghan punch line i did another afghan hindu kush f2 line and that's where i did
that the uh three versions of the f2 uh and then the four or five versions of the bx's
and most of those were for trichrome production uh heavy blood production yeah structure resiliency
exactly so you see yeah so i i wanted them to be you know resistant to you know pests
and pathogens i wanted to you know to grow you know short you know stacked you know heavy
flower production you know you know heavy you know thc production you know terpenes
because i'll breathe for terpenes you know there's first but that's the hardest thing
to breed for because it's you got to wait till the end because once you harvest it it
changes and then once it cures it changes oh yeah and to see if it remains all the way
through the curing process man it takes a long time to get through that it might be
three months four months after you harvest right and then you got to keep that there
and then that whole feed and then you got to keep the phenos around that you cut you
know make making sure you're you know cataloging properly and keeping you know records and
making sure that like you label things properly and yeah labeling is huge if you unlabel something
or something gets labeled wrong you you got to start over half the time yeah that's why
you see so many question marks i think it could be this in some lineages of some strains
because they're not sure what it was labeled or yeah yeah exactly got cross pollinated
by something they just don't know by accident from a herm probably right right but pollen
is pretty uh pretty easy to stick to your clothes so if you get some in your clothes
and you're walking around your your flower room it will stick to your flower plants and
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sweet oh see yeah we were going here and we were talking about the uh terpene profiles
and what we uh like to look for in our in our hunts when we're fino hunting and what
we're doing at the moment uh i am doing a little cvd five to one ratio hunt and has
a little siberian uh russian yeah it's uh ibl version of that mixed with sour tsunami
cantonic and harlequin it's like a three-way mix of all this and it comes out to like a
five to one maybe i think 25 and five cvd dominant nice yeah i worked with some uh some
cvd stuff earlier on i'm going to be incorporating some cvd into this uh into the skunk hunt
uh or a skunk line so we'll do a you know a full spectrum skunk so that i think that's
important is getting full spectrum uh flower i wanted to get more one-to-ones and more
cvd dominant little thc in there with nice terpene profiles to make those uh nice tensions
that have that full spectrum because i find those are the ones that help me the most and
yeah you can extract it with some alcohol and make your rso and then reduce it down
and put it into some oil mix it up that way or you could just soak it right into your
oil and uh the full spectrum is definitely more on the edible wise it's more calming
and relaxing a full body high instead of having that thc slam it that's that's i think part
of the reason i don't like edibles a lot is because they're not full spectrum it's just
like isolate or distillate of t of thc or you can make them out of the rosin a lot of
people doing those now without the solid those are the better ones so so that they're you
can have a little hint of the of the cannabis but you can actually taste a little difference
in the terpenes and you can pair them up with different flavors too and that's something
that you can do with uh drinks the drinks coming out now is going to be hot oh yeah
with the rosin uh well we just talking about the swamp juice there or some other uh flavored
tinctures those are really good uh like i said head to body without being anxious without
having uh too much of a head high or too much of a body high sometimes high thc you just
make people sleep yeah no exactly it might be good for people with high pain um some
people that might be their medicine but for me it's not really the high thc it's more
of that full spectrum plant medicine yeah that uh just makes you feel good all over
exactly and i enjoy the nature and enjoy the baseball game or yeah i have trouble sitting
down edibles really help me sit for more than 20 minutes 30 minutes to just relax yeah because
i've just so many injuries from wrecking a bicycle skiing or different uh whatever falling
down on the ice and hurting my back in sports that yeah i'm constantly cracking and aching
and if i said still too much back aches same here kicking really fast yeah i feel exactly
the same way so um you mentioned uh cbd and you actually have a little cbd that you grew
and uh what what's special about your cbd line excuse me well so the cbd that we uh
the the tinctures and stuff with the way we carry wasn't actually grown by us it was grown
out in the san luis valley uh by a good friend of ours um but it's uh it's full spectrum
what i would consider full spectrum it's got you know more than two cannabinoids uh let
me let's see if i can pull was it cold pressed or was it um decarboxylated first it's a distillate
uh okay yeah so it's a distillate but it's got it's got cbg cbn cbc um it's got the terpenes
intact too yeah the full spectrum yeah or a broad spectrum right the two differences
i think like if it's the what i understood if it takes all the t hc out then it's going
to be broad spectrum and if it has like a trace of like 0.01 maybe it's full spectrum
so it takes something else is taken out of there yeah they did it's a like a terpene
or something it's down to 0.3 uh or you know or yeah 0.3 0.03 i think yes the threshold
for 3% so they diluted it down to that to make it legal you know um but so it's uh it's
just it's full spectrum uh you know distillate i i don't think that this batch was remediated
or anything like that so i think they pulled it you know within compliance time so that's
you know that was not it was nice just to get you know a test that had it was like cbd
is great but you know we have a pure cbd product as well that's made with just you know um
mct oil and uh an isolate and that's it and then we have this full spectrum product that's
got you know four different cannabinoids a little bit of thc it's got the terpenes in
there unfortunately we don't have the terpenes listed because we didn't get that test yeah
we just got the compliance test um and the you know the cannabinoid test but um but yeah
it helps a lot of people um you know the you know the we have a pet you know version of
the pure cbd and the only difference is it's got uh uh different uh dosing you know on
there a little lighter for the for the same exact strength uh it just tells you what dose
to go with for your pet versus with your human is it tincture too or is it like a biscuit
no it's it's it's pure there's no there's no additives nothing no flavorings none of
that so yeah one thing with chris bratton when i had his interview he he had actually
got fired from his job for taking cbd because it really yeah it was 0.03 there were some
trace in there and he was truck driver and there was no tolerance you know for a while
so he was taking cbd for pain and then he got booted because of that he got tested or
just yeah they tested him and he came up positive so that's when he moved down to colorado that's
yeah and uh that was the main reason that uh he got into growing himself yeah that's
nuts you know uh how sometimes you know things like that just push you right where you need
to go yeah that's uh he's happy it happened in hindsight now but it was a it was a big
problem so the distillate would be one you would recommend for somebody who has to take
a urinalysis or piss test the isolate the isolate yeah the isolate so if you got yeah
if you have to get any kind of uh test like that just to go with the you know the pure
uh what we call the you know pure cbd uh you know takes your it's just uh mct oil and isolate
and that's it because that's you know when you get to the distillate you know that's
where you got the point you know 0.3 thc and all that stuff which you know really helps
with the synergistic effect and all that but you know you don't want to pop out of your
analysis yeah that's uh that's a big thing even here in colorado uh you can lose your
job for just depends on your testing positive i know it's an issue because uh i have a friend
who has to carry around fake urine with her all the time and it's a work a right to work
state so that means that they can fire you for any reason anytime no questions asked
yeah yeah exactly there's a lot of states coming out there where they're being protected
now but that's uh something that maybe we can try to get passed here in colorado to
protect those medical card holders at least yeah that'd be nice that'd be nice yeah that's
a something different that uh that has has to change around here i believe personally
but uh when it's becoming legal in other places that's something that people can look out
for before they make the law and hey put this into the sketch yeah right and when they're
doing the first initial laws and have to do rewrites and stuff like that amendments and
you know and things like that that take forever to get approved and you know if you can just
get it get it right the first time which is very rare you know it helps to have some knowledge
of uh states that are going through it you know yeah exactly people that are going through
it hopefully they they listen when they when they when they do that so you know they pay
attention instead of just sitting back and waiting for the things to change oh it's happening
it's happening but it'll happen in a way you don't really want and then you'll be upset
around it correct yeah it's like you know the legalization is great in theory but it's
not always great in practice and you know just because it's legal doesn't mean it's
the way it should be so hopefully um yeah you know hopefully our politicians you know
listen to the people when they speak yeah most definitely and uh i think uh things are
changing and that's going to be the the future here because what they just said uh he asked
the drug czar or the what is it the attorney general that has to change it and look into
the reclassification rescheduling yeah and i'm not i'm not even sure so i'm just blessed
to be in a place where it's legal and you know you know for better for worse i've been
doing it for a long time and it's been uh you know i mean it's all it's all been for
the better on this end you know but when i was back in texas it was a little bit more
frowned upon yeah it's a lot it's a lot uh easier living life here exactly we're kind
of spoiled we are that's why we're trying to get the word out there to these people
that don't know life goes on things are not going to hell in a gift basket here in colorado
it is yeah and there's you know there's change coming around the corner all over the place
you know in thailand it's you know it's uh all open fully legal now they're like giving
away plants to all the citizens and you know there's uh and it used to be one of the most
strict you know places in the world for cannabis you know so you know there's you know there's
there's things there times there are changing you know and it's coming around exactly so
uh this interview is going a little long here i just want to let the listeners out there
know where they can get some of your products where can they get in contact with your uh
website or yeah yeah i appreciate that so you can uh you know you can always go to the
website um at uh heart and soil project.com we also have heart and soil seeds excuse me
heart and soil seeds and heart and soil cbd.com um if you're looking for obviously the cbd
or shirts or hats or anything like that those will be super easy to find if you're looking
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And you're always out there here on the local scene and i know there's an event coming up
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can find all this information uh you can uh follow us on instagram at heart and soil project
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me at my email beanderson at heartandsoilproject.com beanderson like bretanderson uh at heartandsoilproject.com
you can ask me anything uh order seeds or you know whatever you need to there but uh
discord is a really big place where things are uh starting to go uh you know go to with
you know a lot of censorship on facebook and instagram things like that and youtube also
cutting down yeah youtube and and um and you know just a little you know still uh some
uh negativity towards the cannabis scene you know on a lot of these platforms where discord
is more of a safe place we really developed an awesome community we community we have
over a thousand people um on our discord right now and it's a really great place to collaborate
um you know post pictures you know talk you know you can ask me questions we do a sunday
sesh every uh sunday for at least an hour sometimes two hours um where we just hang
out you know we usually have a topic i'll chat about you know different different things
but then at the end or during we can always you can always just ask me questions um you
know or bring up you know different you know any concerns or you know uh wonderings or
anything like that so discord is has been an awesome place so if you want the link uh
to the discord i can get you an invite either through my email or instagram platforms um
but yeah thank you for having me on i know this interview went a little bit long but
we uh we've got to know each other and it's just easy to talk we can probably go round
and round and round we'll probably we could do it again on another day yeah so we could
just go round and round so yeah but he's uh we'll do another one yeah exactly uh another
time but he's he's on a mission to to kind of get the word out um you know that uh you
know cannabis is here to stay it's you know it's been here for a long time and and uh
you know people that have been using are uh you know you know good people and there's
a lot of you know a lot of good people doing great things in this industry and you know
just because you're a cannabis user doesn't make you you know any you know any worse of
a person you know a lot of you know cannabis users get a bad rap um just by you know the
plant you know being what it is but you know we're trying to to show that um there's a
lot of good a lot of good out there and we're we're pushing the good for the uh for the
cannabis community yeah the motto is we refer the reefer here you can defer the reefer but
no one should fear the reefer amen well thanks for tuning in guys and we'll get this episode
up here in the next couple weeks and uh tune in for new episodes and make sure to check
out my website www.littlefarmer.com i'll have some seeds up there for a few few more weeks
here there will be 50 seeds for 50 dollars just for to let people get started and they
can throw some seeds down here this fall before the first frost if they want to go outdoors
and see what pops up in their area because it's going to have a wide variety of genetics
from indicus to sestivas to uh tall and short that's a good that's a good way to do it too
we were talking about that with matt at area 420 that you know planting them uh you know
early even in the winter time you know um will help them germinate later on down the
down the road yeah you can throw 20 of them out and maybe 10 of them will pop up but then
they're hardened to your specific area and you know that's like you know rather than
buying a bunch of seeds and hoping they do well you know he's going to give you a bunch
of different variety and they're going to you know some of them will do well and those
are the ones you can take cuttings of and save you know for future you know future years
yeah it's a great opportunity to get started if you're hesitant because it can be quite
expensive getting started i know i wasted a couple hundred dollars on my first round
of seeds and things didn't work out the soil was too dry germination uh you know testing
or you know practice you know different you know methods and whatever like you know it's
good to have seeds around to practice with yeah we get a little spoiled here and we don't
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