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Today I'm here with Whitney Justice, who is co-founder of Area 420 down here in Moffett, Colorado.
Her and Mike Bischoff started this program up around five years ago, you tell me.
Could you tell me a little bit how you got the idea and how you went through the process of getting this area started up there, Whitney?
Sure, yeah. First, thanks for having me on the show. I appreciate it.
I appreciate you showing up.
Yeah, well, when cannabis became legal in the state of Colorado, I noticed the industry was a bit of a mess.
They had grows over here, grows over there, it was kind of spread out, which is not good for anybody.
It's not that safe to be growing out in the middle of nowhere.
You know, you're more subject to theft and other issues, also neighbors and things.
So we really thought it was a good idea just to organize things a bit and find a place where everyone can do the same thing altogether.
Grows can be side by side and share camaraderie, community, and just create a little cannabis village.
A little centralization here, a little cannabis destination.
Yes.
I love the idea. I was telling somebody else, it's kind of like my cannabis field of dreams. If you build it, they will come.
That's right.
And they are showing up. It's a great idea.
And did you consume cannabis before you thought of this? I'm sure you did. Growing up in Colorado.
When did you start consuming?
Well, let's see. I shared a joint with Jerry Garcia back in 1987.
And I smoked a little bit of weed before that, but that was kind of a milestone for me.
So, yeah, I've been known to smoke weed and do other things like that. I used to be on the Grateful Dead tour, following the dead in the 80s and 90s.
And, you know, it's part of the culture.
I got a couple of friends who have done that. I've heard some stories. I didn't hear the Grateful Dead until actually it was too late.
I was into sports and just never was into that type of music.
It's never too late.
I was isolated in West Virginia. I follow them now. I understand the reason.
I followed a couple of jam bands and know what goes on.
That's great.
So there is cannabis around there. Have you ever gotten trouble for cannabis before it was legal here in Colorado?
Only with my mom.
Only with your mom? Have you ever had any bad experiences with cannabis?
Like you've ever eaten too many edibles or something too strong or something that just made you feel anxious?
Not really. I've had a couple of times when edibles sort of first made their appearance.
You couldn't really tell how much was in it.
Sometimes I got a little too high and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm really high.
But then I always remind myself, I'm not going to die from this.
So just turn on the Almond Brothers or something and wait it out.
I said thank Floyd and just sit on the couch in the dark and it'll pass.
We had a friend who was actually a drummer in a band. Didn't consume much.
We were going to a show in Pittsburgh.
It was like an hour drive from where I went to college and he got off work, ate an edible real quick, cookie.
Don't know how strong it was.
Drank one beer on the ride up.
We sat down. We were about 20, 30 minutes early for the show.
We had a beer and we were pretty stoned off the head.
It was like 20 minutes into the show. Where did it go to?
And say, oh, let me go check the restroom because that's the last time I remember him saying I'm going to the restroom.
He was passed out by the urinal crying time.
I had to take him to the hospital.
Oh, wow. Just because the blood pressure dropped or something.
It was pretty bad for him.
But yeah, that's just one of the stories I've had.
But we had to take him to the hospital, basically, put him to IV and don't have your eye.
Right. And when his color came back, they sent him on his way.
Wow. Wow. You've never seen anything like that.
I'm sure you have on tour, but not from Canada.
Oh, I've never had anything like that happen.
I've had some nights after, you know, drinking alcohol.
I've had some fun times.
Interesting times with that over the years.
But no, I can't say I've ever had any kind of bad trip on marijuana.
Do you have any favorite strains that you like?
I like Indica. And I really what I'm getting into now are these Wana Sleepy Time Edibles.
You take like 10 milligrams and they have some CBD in them.
I take one of those at night before I'm about to go to bed.
And 15 minutes later, I'm...
Are they the chocolate ones?
No, no chocolate. They're little gummies. Yeah.
Yeah, they have a different variety of mixtures of CBD and CBN.
Yes, CBN.
They can even put melatonin in it, maybe even.
They're great.
And then are they the fast acting ones?
I take one of those every single night and I sleep for eight hours and I wake up feeling great.
Normal edibles that we kind of grew up with and then I got the fast acting ones within like 30 minutes.
This is like 15. Yeah.
Yeah, those are nano emulsified or something.
But they just hit faster. But they wear off a little quicker too.
But the fact is they do help you sleep and a lot of people really do find relief in that.
Oh, yeah.
I don't need that. My constant use during the day helps me sleep at night.
But I wake up four o'clock in the morning or five o'clock in the morning when the sun comes up, whatever time that is, I'm up.
So sometimes I'll need something to put me back to sleep so I can sleep a little longer.
Well, try those one edibles. They're delicious.
I actually tried the CBN. If it contains CBN, the CBN doesn't work on me.
Some medicines work the opposite.
I would try some medicine that the doctor prescribed and it would make me kind of delirious or anxious, pseudoepithrine, which is one.
Some people get tired, lethargic, and I get wired.
Oh, that's interesting.
It has the opposite effect of them.
So I don't know. Maybe ADHD thing. Maybe we help you with that.
Oh.
Like a red line affects people differently.
Sure.
Who knows?
I don't know. Those those edibles work for me.
So back to the area 420.
You had the idea. You came down here to Moffitt.
There's what I understood. There's three phases, as people say, but it's basically three subdivisions.
That's right. Three plat maps is how we separated those three phases.
And what are the difference between these phases?
All right. So phase one is we're sitting on phase one right now in the train cars and phase one is this whole area you can see right behind you.
It's of 100 acres.
We have a total of 420 acres, which is kind of funny because it was a lot of different parcels kind of pieced together.
We sort of cobbled together a lot of different parcels.
And one day I said, hey, I wonder how many total acres this is. And I added up this one and that one.
And I had to add it up twice. I couldn't believe it.
It came to 420 acres. How funny.
So the first phase is 100 acres and we're sold out of the first phase.
We have three phase power here, which is a big deal.
That's what you need to run a year round facility.
So we have mostly year round growers in phase one, greenhouses.
You know, phase two has no power.
And so those are all outdoor grows.
So people are coming from May to October to grow outside with the sunshine.
Net zero weed, I think, right? Off the grid.
Yeah. I like the idea that phase three is even further down the road.
Once phase two fills up, then you'll go to phase three.
Got you. And how many available spots are in phase two?
Well, we have just started selling those. We have about 100 left.
And so what I understand, you're hooked up to the power grid here, but the power grid is there is not strong enough.
It's interesting. There are two power companies.
So power companies have territories.
And phase one of our development is in Xcel Energy's territory.
Xcel Energy has a huge network and resources to pull from.
So they have three phase power here.
Phase two of our development is in another territory for another.
It's a smaller co-op, a power co-op called SLVREC, San Luis Valley.
I don't even know what it stands for, but they're smaller and we can only get single phase power there.
So it's just a smaller company.
Can the growers use generators there? Oh, yeah.
And what about in the future?
Is there any plans for having electric there?
If they get enough people? Yes.
We have petitioned and requested that SLV up their game a little bit or turn over the territory to Xcel Energy so we can get more power.
But right now, I think it's a pretty good balance. We have a lot of indoor grows.
We also don't want to cannibalize the industry by increasing the supply too much.
So we've sort of held back. We're not doing any advertising campaigns for our lots.
It's all kind of happening organically.
Referrals and some of the growers on phase one want to buy a few parcels on phase two just to take advantage of that seasonal outdoor.
So we don't want to flood the market. The market's flooded enough.
Yeah, I saw that on the news this morning. There's a little decline in sales.
Right. We don't want to.
I talked to with some other people, the medical drop was change of law.
People can't buy as much concentrate as they could before. So that's obvious.
But on the rec side, I think there's a big push for marketing instead of quality weed and Colorado consumers are falling for it.
Right. Instead of buying brand name with certain names on it and branded stuff.
They want effective weed, not something that's mid labeled incorrectly.
Something that's good or something they don't like. Not to say it's not good. Not to knock anybody's brand.
Right. Right. But yeah.
So water, it is dry desert here. What is the water resource for all of this?
Well, we take water conservation really seriously because water is not something we want to waste.
Actually, it looks like a desert here, but under the ground is the largest aquifer.
I know it's the largest one in the state of Colorado. It may be even larger. I don't know.
I can't make claims about it, but it's big.
So under the ground, there's like a lake, basically, a huge aquifer that you have to have very specific water rights to be able to tap into.
So luckily, we do have two water sources that are legal water sources for the cannabis industry.
And it's highly regulated. We have to do water reporting to the Department of Water Resources.
And we have to pay into a sub-district, a water sub-district. And everything's very carefully monitored.
We also charge our clients for the water to encourage them to conserve the water.
So you mentioned one more thing about water conservation that was important here.
And I know it's a dry area and the water rights in Colorado are pretty strict.
Absolutely. They should be stricter everywhere.
So we take our water conservation very seriously. And every grower here has a water meter and it's carefully regulated.
We get the meter certified every year and we do charge for the water to encourage the growers to conserve their usage, you know, to not waste any water.
And if you compare the water usage for the cannabis industry as opposed to like alfalfa or potatoes or other agricultural applications,
cannabis uses far less, way less than alfalfa especially.
Yeah, it's a regenerative thing too. So it's actually good for the soil.
Yes. Alfalfa is too, but cannabis is much better from what I understand, much geologic knowledge.
So what are some of the future plans for Area 420?
Well, now that we've really done a great job of building up the commercial sector of the town, I mean, there are, when I came to Moffitt five years ago,
there were only a hundred people here. It was a population of a hundred.
And there were maybe, I don't know, three or four small businesses like a coffee shop and things like that.
Now we have 76 individually owned cannabis cultivations. So that's 76 small businesses have moved into this town of a hundred people in the last four years basically.
So now our responsibility is to build up the housing and other commercial businesses like restaurants and Airbnbs and things like that.
And then we have the food, the laundry, all the other things that have, I mean, the cannabis industry grew so fast that no one's really had a time, a second to say, oh, gosh, let's start doing this.
So we'd like to get some good food out here. So if anybody listening has an interest in cooking some excellent Mexican, Cuban, Italian, anything, we'd take...
Food trucks included? Are they allowed on premises?
I think for some people those are highly mobile when people could come down and the area is great.
I can contest if there was something to eat, it'd be easier. And I see you got these buildings out here, these yurt looking buildings that are being constructed. Are those the Airbnbs that you're talking about?
So those are going to be housing for growers. So we built small houses out of grain bins. So they look like little metal grain silos, like basically like a metal yurt. And I have 12 of them out here.
So they'll be, I'll rent them long term to growers. Employee housing. Yeah, employee housing. Better than working for Vale. Oh yeah, for sure.
So we are here at Area 420. There's a big festival. It is Harvest Festival. What are some other events that you have down here that will attract some people down? I know there's some great hot springs around. If you're here, that's a great area to hit.
There's some sand dunes right down the road. There's also Crestone, which is a dark sky city or dark sky community where you see tons of stars at night, the Milky Way.
That's right. Yeah, Crestone's about 15 minutes away and it's a little hippie town with kind of funky houses made out of all kinds of different materials and it's just a very free place to live.
You can kind of do whatever you want over there. It's nestled in the mountains. I love it. That's great. I just went for a big bike ride this morning out there. It's gorgeous. Yeah, I drove over this morning with all the deer walking in the street.
Last time I was there somebody was petting deer. I didn't see him touching it, but I think he was having a conversation with it.
I was scratching a deer behind the ears this morning. They're like domesticated animals. Yeah. And then of course, yeah, the sand dunes is a, I think it's a national park.
It's really fun to go to the sand dunes. I was there a couple weeks ago and went, I guess you call it sandboarding, but it's like snowboarding on the sand. I'm not very good at it. I fell down about three times and then kind of gave up.
But my friends who are snowboarders are better at it. So yeah, I've seen pictures of it. I can pass. It's pretty fun. I fell hard enough doing snowboarding. Yeah, falling on sand is going to hurt a little bit more.
If it lands, if it gets in your mouth, but it's fun over there. It's really pretty. And then like you said, there are three hot springs. There's Joyful Journey, Hooper Hot Springs and Valley View. If you want to take all your clothes off, you can go up there.
So that's cool. It's just a kind of a fun area. So, so watch County and the San Luis Valley.
It's a different, and they're aliens here too.
For real. Oh yeah. Yeah. So have you met them in that conversation? I might be one. I don't know. I think we all could be.
Hey, well I highly appreciate you coming on the show. Is there anything else that you want to add and let the viewers or listeners out there know today? Hey, I'm just thrilled. I mean it's incredible.
Growing up in a time when you could get arrested for just like nothing, you know, like a little tiny joint or something or anything. You could get arrested for that. People get thrown in jail for that.
I know how people that have it very close like skin to my teeth. Yeah.
And you're getting arrested a handful of times. And now, I've always thought it should be legal. I don't know. I never understood why alcohol is legal and cannabis is illegal. Makes no sense.
So it's just really nice to be alive in the time when cannabis is legal.
And we're enjoying the freedom of being able to sit here on this train car out in the middle of Colorado smoking whatever we want and growing legally. And there is going to be a dispensary on site here with some of the local products in the train car with Miracle Farms, I believe.
Yes, exactly. Awesome. That sounds great. And I know this will be one of my tours, destinations whenever I'm out. I'll be down here at least once a month. Yeah. We'll see in the winter. Yes. How many people are still here and what's operating and what the weather and the drive is like.
It's going to be a bit of a stretcher. Yeah, it does. It quiets down a bit in the winter. It's so cold. But anyone who wants to come out here and join us on this train car and see what we do, come on out. You'll be welcome. Yeah, you will.
You will not be disappointed. Yeah. Well, highly appreciate it. Thanks. Thanks for coming and having us. Let's go out and enjoy the festives. I will. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
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I'm sitting here with BK Roller. He's the Chief Operations Officer of Dark Horse Genetics and they are the breeders of Bruce Banner.
We're down at Area 420 today for the Harvest Festival with Heart and Soil.
And I want to ask you BK, what got you into breeding?
Well, I guess what got me into breeding is the same thing that got me into growing.
My high school sweetheart at the time got diagnosed with stage 4 cervical cancer.
And they pretty much tried everything they cut, froze, used radiation chemo.
They used chemo that was experimental, not even on the market yet.
And then they sent her home on hospice to basically die at 16 years old and I wouldn't accept it.
My father grew and so I heard stories about THC helping with cancer.
And that's why I started growing.
But I found strains that would affect her negatively and some that would affect her positively.
And one of them was blueberry that was like her favorite, but it just wasn't high in THC.
So when I started growing, I started growing to produce Rick Simpson oil.
You know, back in the day that information was traded around because I come across it in like 89, 88.
What year did you start breeding?
I started breeding in 90.
90?
Yeah.
So that's some of the first information I ever got to on the internet was Rick Simpson oil.
And I was blessed to come across that.
You know, it changed everything.
And her liking a low THC strain is what got me into breeding because I had to pump up that THC or try to figure out a way to.
And so I hit the original blueberry clone to a white Russian male.
At the time, white Russian was the most potent strain, commercial strain that you could buy in seed form.
And it was testing around 22 percent, if I remember correct.
And so I found a phenomenal male.
I did my whole phenol hunt just looking for males.
That's all I kept.
I didn't really, yeah, I didn't keep a single female out of that.
But I hit that to the blueberry and I got a phenol out of it that was really strawberry, really potent.
And it didn't give her anxiety.
It didn't have that raciness that a lot of potent strains seem to have with her.
And so I made the oil from that to begin with.
Much later down the road, Kush came into the scene and, you know, Kush was like the most potent weed I had ever fucking smoked at the time.
And you could always tell Kush in the bag because no one knew to take it 10 weeks.
You know, they were all pulling it like eight, nine.
So it would be so much still white pistols on it, you know, and you see it in the bag.
And the pistols were jagged.
They were, they just stood out different from any other bud that I'd had.
And luckily with the crew that I ran with and, like I said, being a second generation grower, my dad grew some fire, some legendary shit that's been known.
You told me you were from Kentucky, right?
Yeah.
And you did, was it all outdoors at the time?
Yes, all the dads was.
I didn't have, I had a small amount of luck outdoor, but, you know, you kind of put out three to four times what you expected to bring in because you'd lose them to hunters and cops.
Yeah.
I don't think you can find that OG here because everybody breeds for eight weeks here in Colorado just because it's short season.
If it's outdoor, indoors, it's a lot commercial.
So everybody's running on a time frame and they want to get it short.
So a 10 week is something that most commercial growers aren't going to grow for one thing.
You got to have a longer season like California.
That's where the OGs are popular, famous.
You can, I mean, you can do it in a commercial setup because, I mean, what got me with Dark Horse is Dark Horse was focused around Kush as well and the medicinal aspects of it.
So all of our rooms are set up on 10 weeks.
The broad range of cannabinoids throughout it all.
Right.
We're still learning so much as we approach.
People are just now getting to the fact just in the last, what, five years or so, the fact that the terpene changes everything in the cannabinoid profile.
Like you can take the same cannabinoid profile and administer a different terpene with it, you're going to have a different effect.
And that, you know, medicinally blows my mind because that's what I've always been breeding for is trying to create true medicinal strains.
It's great for recreational because they're always high in THC.
But the point is, is how THC and cannabinoids kind of auto correct our autoimmune system.
You know, they put it back in check is the best way that I can describe it.
And the weird part is it's no one size fits all, you know.
Yeah, it affects everyone differently.
Because you can take CBG and combine it with CBD and it will floor you.
It will, you know, make you feel more sedated than you've ever felt before.
And there's no THC in there.
But it's still high quality medicine.
The same could be said with that same profile with adding THC.
Yeah, I agree.
I breathe perfect for terpenes, nuts, loud smells, no matter what spectrum they are on the terpene profiles.
I like them loud.
And I think the THC levels kind of go hand in hand.
If it has good turf, then the THC levels will be elevated in certain strains, but not all of them.
And it is the most medicinal aspect of the plant is the terpene profile.
And you told me you grow for the terpene profile OG Kush, and that's one that's barely really sought after and it's hard to capture.
What are some strains that you guys have at Dark Horse Genetics that carry some of that OG terpene profile that people can get their hands on?
Well, the number one, I'm always going to refer to Jason's first creation, which was Bruce Banner.
Not only does it have that OG in it, that's why we call it the Banner 3.
The three leaf pheno.
So it's OG dominant, right?
And it's a little sweet for an OG, but when you get into the F2s, which we just released, you can find more OG dominant phenos and go that direction.
Now, the next one is probably the King's Banner F2s, because it's primarily a mash of OGs.
And so to work backwards per se, you know, to look for that OG dominant in a nice pheno hunt of either one of those, you're going to have, you know, you're going to find something you're happy with, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, I got to get my hands on some of those.
I'm looking for some OG and some real ranked stuff myself to add to my collection.
Yeah.
And I got one of those Runts clones from me looking very sweet today.
Thank you for that.
Yeah, for sure.
I can't wait to put that into my collection and I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of your knowledge with us here.
I'm going to get a couple more breeders in here and have them talk about the same thing and I'll let you get back to your stand and make some money on your product.
Sure, sure.
Appreciate you.
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I'm here with Sam from Beyond Hype Seed Company.
He came to Denver from Nebraska just because he loved cannabis.
I'm going to let him explain that a little bit to you.
Hey, Sam, could you tell us why you came to Colorado and got into the breeding?
Well, I originally grew up in Omaha, Nebraska, and over the years I got like four different pot charges there and was just tired of getting bothered by the police for smoking weed.
So I decided to come out to Colorado and I had friends, family out here already.
So I had people that were willing to let me crash couch until I was able to get a place going.
And it's been, you know, ever since.
Yeah, I came out here for similar reasons.
I didn't have any charges, but it was just to get away from what was going on where I was at.
There was a lot of drinking, a lot of opiates going around and a lot of death and a lot of depression.
So I left and just to come back here to Colorado, because I knew some people and been a lot happier since.
Oh, for sure.
And we were talking about how we both got started about the same way we smoked as kids because we were introduced to it.
And then we both realized the same thing that it helped us with a little bit of ADHD.
And how else did it help you as a youth?
It just sort of helped me with like, I guess, paying attention in school.
Like I've always been the kid that's been bouncing off the walls and like teachers were trying to suggest to my parents,
do like do, you know, riddle in or all those other like ADHD drugs.
And my parents didn't want to go that route with drugs and all that, which thank God for that.
And I ended up smoking weed just because I used to smoke cigarettes.
And that's how I started smoking weed is all the kids would meet at like the smoker tree before school.
And yeah, which is funny because it's like everyone calls weed the gateway drug is tobacco.
I mean, it totally is tobacco.
Tobacco was the first thing that I consumed. It was easy to take a cigarette out to the neighbor's pack and go hide around the corner.
Yeah, exactly. And that's where I mean, I encountered most of all the other kids who were smoking weed.
And I was like, oh, yeah, I'll try that. And I smoked it and ended up going to class.
And yeah, I mean, it did real well with being able to study because whenever I was actually in school, I get mostly A's.
But it was skipping the problem for me.
Yeah, I was too hyperactive to sit around. I played a lot of sports, which helped me get a lot of my aggression and energy out there,
which didn't really help me focus in school. But school was too easy, really.
So it was kind of boring. And it's just like it helped me get through college because I didn't consume much in high school.
It was only weekends and after sports because it really helped me with my paintings.
I tell I really fell in love with it too. Besides ADHD, it was the pain relief I had from sports.
And that's a big issue now, though, with the kids and Ritalin in America. And medicines for ADHD are off the charts.
I'm glad my parents never put me on anything like that, too. Thank you, Mom and Dad.
Yeah, I really do appreciate my parents for not trying to go that route.
I mean, they've done studies now where Ritalin is shown to shrink the brain of children.
We're taking that.
What's the new one? Adderall is what a lot of people are prescribed now.
And it's been told, I've heard, is similar to crystal meth on the brain and how your brain reacts to it.
It's pretty much meth that's made in a lab, if you really look at it. I mean, there's very similar chemical components to it.
Yeah, I know a lot of people who I used to work in the dispensary would come in and they were mothers.
I wanted something to help me clean my house and make it not such a tedious job and keep me focused so they don't get distracted.
And they were tired of drinking a glass of wine or using some type of Adderall.
I've heard that's one drug of choice for people who are in that situation.
They're tired, they need to get something done around the house and that's their go-to.
I had a lot of friends who used that stuff in college to just get passed on midterms and everything of that nature.
It's just nasty stuff.
I told people weed was the one that helped me get through college.
If not, I would have never had the patience.
Yeah. And I probably would have gotten in a lot of trouble with alcohol and whatever else was going on.
For sure.
So when you came out here, what actually got you into breeding?
Well, I mean, breeding came down the line.
When I first came out here, I was just living with someone and they were growing.
I would just sort of help them here and there along their house.
Then it got to the point where the funds were getting low and I needed...
It was like, okay, I'm about to have to move back home.
I had some buddies offer to put me on in a spot.
They were like, all right, we'll teach you how to grow.
You do all the growing.
We'll toss you a cut.
That's sort of how I got into growing, which I always wanted to do anyways,
but I just didn't have the means or didn't have anyone that was down to teach me.
I read books and stuff, but it's a total different ballgame.
Reading a book and having someone that actually has been doing it for years.
Yeah, I'm the hands-on experimental type.
I got to learn hands-on.
I can watch a video and redo it, but I got to do it hands-on.
So I had a friend who brought me in and taught me a lot.
Then I just expanded from there.
It's just intriguing once you get into it.
It's such a plan.
It's engulfing, and there's so many varieties out there.
It's a beautiful plan to watch grow.
Oh, for sure.
When they put me on, though, it was like, you grow these strains.
You only grow these strains.
You grow it this style.
You only grow it this style.
It's like you're doing it the way I teach you because this works.
This is how it is.
Yeah, they got a method that worked.
Yeah, this is successful, so you follow this.
Once you buy out or do whatever, then you can do whatever you want.
That is a commercial plan.
Yeah.
So it was just sort of being bound by only having these genetics.
The second I was let go, I was like, okay, what else is out there?
I guess sort of what I've gotten in breeding is the love of the plant.
I love genetics.
I can't just grow once-drain and just once-drain only and just have that smoke.
I love the variety that it offers.
There's smoke that's going to be better for daytime.
There's going to be stuff that's going to be better for my nighttime use as well.
So medicinal purposes is another reason.
It's just having the genetics that suit me for what I'm doing during the day.
That's exactly why I started too because on a commercial, like you said,
it's certain strains because they produce well.
On a schedule, you can get them out commercially and that's it.
But when I grow, I like to grow for myself.
Personal, different times of day, a good sativa in the morning,
something relaxing at night, something in the daytime that just depends on how I feel that day.
If I want to take a nap, something a little heavier.
If I want to keep working, push through another sativa or something, you know?
Yeah.
And it was all personal.
And that's a big difference from a breeder.
That's why I went the breeding route instead of the commercial route because of that reason.
Yeah.
It's the same way.
I don't like being bound by like you can only grow these genetics
because this is all that sells well under our business plan
because they yield the best and we market them the best.
And it's like, you know, there's a ton of genetics out there that are great,
that aren't the most popular strain.
Yeah.
I've grown some that don't produce well just because of their profile,
some that suits me.
And I don't have to worry about it, producing a whole lot of weight
and making money back off of it.
That's one good reason not to be a breeder.
For sure.
And producing your own medicine.
What are some of the strains that you prefer to grow for yourself?
I like a lot of like the old school, like the Kim's and headbands, stuff like that.
Also, if I'm going on like the fruitier end, blueberry is my flavor.
That's the strain I'm working with at the moment is blueberry muffin top meal.
So I took a pre-99 blueberry and I hit it with a muffin Ozzy Kush.
Muffin Ozzy Kush came from dying breed seeds.
So I found the male with that and hit it to the blueberry.
So that's where I'm doing my work on at the moment.
I'm currently working on some thimbs with the Magoo's whorehouse.
So it's bordello and blue Magoo.
So I like a lot of like the blueberry end of things.
And then more sedating.
Yeah.
Like body high, I mean, like just relaxing and not such the head.
Exactly.
The blueberry muffin top though, there are it's a pre-99 blueberry that was used on it.
So it's a little bit more on that sativa leaning side.
So it is a bit more on the hybrid.
So it's going to give you a nice like body high, but it's not going to put you down sleep wise.
You still have a nice head high as well with it.
I would call that one the dispensary one.
So I would call it as hot tub weed.
Yeah.
There you go.
You would be relaxed enough to hang out in a hot tub, but you wouldn't be too relaxed to fall asleep.
You're still a little sociable.
Nice.
Yeah.
I always like to call it my vacation weed.
So it's like if I'm on vacation, I smoke some of this.
It's like I'm nice, relaxed, but it's like I'm still awake.
I can go do stuff, whatever I want to do during the day and have a good time.
Yeah.
I like the old school strains too.
I'm messing around.
I got a green crack and a Dynacem and a purple headband that all came from existing caregivers in the system here in Colorado.
So they were pretty good cuts to produce well, but really nice terps.
I grow for terps.
That's why I like Lao terps because they just give you those different feelings.
Excuse me.
What are some of the terpium profiles that you find in your strain?
Does it actually have a blueberry smell?
Yeah.
I can show it to you.
After the interview, I do have a jar of it.
I mean, it's straight up like hostess blueberry muffins.
It's sort of like the little mini muffins that come in the packs.
That's what that smells like.
It's that straight old school blueberry.
What is the lineage on that?
Did you already say it?
Yeah.
It's a pre-99 blueberry crossed with a muffin OZ Kush.
Muffin OZ Kush.
I'm not familiar with that strain myself.
I like Kush's.
OZ Kush, it's eddyleb OG in Skittles.
Dying breed genetics.
So they bred that, and then they took that and they hit it with a muffin.
Muffin is, I guess, a coveal blue Kush is what they say.
That's about all the information I have on it from the lineage they've released when they sold the seeds.
But yeah, I like a lot of the older blueberries.
That green crack, when you were talking about that, that one has me intrigued as well.
Yeah, I got this right here.
If you want to give it a smell, that was one of my first mixes.
It's called Head Smack.
It's got purple headband mixed with the green crack.
Because I like the purple headband taste.
It had that earthy and nice purple smell to it.
The classic, what people call purple smell.
But it didn't have the head high, so I mixed it with that green crack.
You can smell the green crack in the background of it, but definitely get that purple headband in the front.
Yeah, it's got that grapey or purple smell, berry, with a little bit of that pineappley.
The green crack had a pineapple smell on the back end of it, the one that I grew.
I'm working with a cross right now with a green crack in the blueberry muffin top.
It's currently been popped in a few different facilities that I gave out for testing.
Then I'm about to be popping some seeds of it as well.
I called that one nose muffins.
Nose muffins.
I'm intrigued.
I'd like to get maybe a cut of something, a blueberry or something.
I don't have time to be no hunt.
I got so much stuff going on myself.
I got a very good Day Wrecker, which is of my OG alley. It's supposed to be the original Day Wrecker,
which came from a Sour Diesel and Kim 91.
It's a 20-year-old cut that's never been feminized or never been seeded, so it's a clone only.
Is it the old Day Wrecker cut that used to circulate around here probably eight years ago?
Yes, sir. That's the one.
I love that cut.
The one that has that skunky after.
It's like you would take it out of your car and the next day you'd be like, I still smell the scum.
You smell it and you're like, okay, that smells like old school sour right there.
It's degraded. I need to get the Maristem clean and take it back to its glory.
But I've been using it to breed with, so it's still kicking out some good beans.
Other than that, I had a DynaChem.
The DynaChem came from the same source as the Day Wrecker.
It was so terpy that I had thrown up two or three times when I was helping my friend trim it.
I was just like, I'll be back.
I had to stop. It was so chemmy and so terpy.
It was the highest producing one. Always just a self-standing structure.
No weights. It was the guy I was telling you about earlier that had the terpiest stuff ever.
It was just the conditions. I don't know. Maybe it was the cold nights or what it was.
It was a little stressful in there somehow, which brought out those terps.
Nice.
Did you mix any chems with that blueberry?
Yeah. I do have, it's called Motor City Blues.
It's Motor Breath 15, crossed to the blueberry muffin top.
That one's a really nice one.
Some of the phenols turn out just really chemo-G dominant from the motor breath itself.
Then there's a few phenols in there that go more on blueberry OG side of things.
That one's a really nice one.
Another one that I have that's on chemmy side of things is Glitter Litter.
I took Litter Box, which is GMO, crossed to the crim.
That one's bred by Canada Vine.
I hit that one with the blueberry muffin top as well.
That one, there's some gassier style things.
It doesn't really lean too much on the GMO, but it's a really chem funk to it.
Then the other ones phenol-wise that you're going to find in are a guava berry style flavor.
Yeah, I like that guava smell with that island fruity.
There's some papaya stuff going out there too. It's a pretty nice smell.
It's really smooth though. It's not the real pungent smells.
There's some of those papaya that I've smelled that I'm just like, ooh, that's nice.
But then there's a lot that I've smelled where, just like he said, where it's smooth and sort of subtle.
I think I had a talimon or something like that that came out very similar to that island-y smell
with the fruity cantaloupe or apricot maybe even behind it.
It was produced well, but just didn't have the turk profile that I'd like.
It wasn't loud enough. I think one of my favorite strains is vanilla haze.
That's one that I like a lot and I grow that people rave about. It has real nice high turpentiline.
I don't know if I've heard of that one. What's the genetics on that?
That's got a super silver haze mixed with some blue satellite, which is of that blue alley with a flow from DJ Short.
That's a high cerebral high with a high creativeness to it.
So that mix comes out really cerebral, really soaring high.
That's one I like in the morning or at midday when I'm kind of tired and I want to push through.
If you have any good sativas, like my roommate likes to call them working weed.
I go help him get in the garage and just start going at it and be focused.
I probably wouldn't say I have anything that's like straight working weed.
The closest thing I have that's more on the sativa line would be the blue limon.
That's got the limon cake in it, which is a limange wedding cake.
I find with a lot of the citrus strains, they tend to be a little bit more on the sativa side of things for smoke, but up at E-high.
This one doesn't really have much of that citrusy limonene in it, which I don't really prefer too much because it gets me too racy.
This one has a straight hay smell like that that I prefer.
That's why I like it, but you just don't find too many of those sativas growing up here just because of the altitude, because of the climate.
It's cold, the humidity, and they take a long time to flower.
A lot of people stay away from that, especially on the commercial side.
It's a shame, but everybody's always looking for them, like a Durban poison or some kind of.
Flow is a good one. This one I have, I really like a lot.
I really do like Flow. That was a nice one.
Yeah, it's a real creative one. I have a friend who likes to write songs and he smokes some of these.
He just goes at it. Notebook filled up pretty quick.
Nice.
But hey, I appreciate you coming on the show, Sam. I'm going to let you get back to your stand so you can get some money out of your beans out there and send to your customers.
Sounds good.
I want to have you in again sometime soon and we'll discuss this a little further.
Enjoy the Harvest Festival.
Will do, and thank you for having me on.
No worries, man. Highly appreciated.
Thank you.