1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Hey, have you hugged your country boots today? 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Do you smoke or are you dead? 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,000 This is what's going on to our meditators. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Doctor, are you dead? 5 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,000 Welcome back everyone. 6 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:18,000 Today I'm here with Whitney Justice, who is co-founder of Area 420 down here in Moffett, Colorado. 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,000 Her and Mike Bischoff started this program up around five years ago, you tell me. 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:31,000 Could you tell me a little bit how you got the idea and how you went through the process of getting this area started up there, Whitney? 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Sure, yeah. First, thanks for having me on the show. I appreciate it. 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,000 I appreciate you showing up. 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:43,000 Yeah, well, when cannabis became legal in the state of Colorado, I noticed the industry was a bit of a mess. 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:49,000 They had grows over here, grows over there, it was kind of spread out, which is not good for anybody. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,000 It's not that safe to be growing out in the middle of nowhere. 14 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,000 You know, you're more subject to theft and other issues, also neighbors and things. 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:09,000 So we really thought it was a good idea just to organize things a bit and find a place where everyone can do the same thing altogether. 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:19,000 Grows can be side by side and share camaraderie, community, and just create a little cannabis village. 17 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,000 A little centralization here, a little cannabis destination. 18 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,000 Yes. 19 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:29,000 I love the idea. I was telling somebody else, it's kind of like my cannabis field of dreams. If you build it, they will come. 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,000 That's right. 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,000 And they are showing up. It's a great idea. 22 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:40,000 And did you consume cannabis before you thought of this? I'm sure you did. Growing up in Colorado. 23 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,000 When did you start consuming? 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:53,000 Well, let's see. I shared a joint with Jerry Garcia back in 1987. 25 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,000 And I smoked a little bit of weed before that, but that was kind of a milestone for me. 26 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:07,000 So, yeah, I've been known to smoke weed and do other things like that. I used to be on the Grateful Dead tour, following the dead in the 80s and 90s. 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,000 And, you know, it's part of the culture. 28 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,000 I got a couple of friends who have done that. I've heard some stories. I didn't hear the Grateful Dead until actually it was too late. 29 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,000 I was into sports and just never was into that type of music. 30 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,000 It's never too late. 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,000 I was isolated in West Virginia. I follow them now. I understand the reason. 32 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:30,000 I followed a couple of jam bands and know what goes on. 33 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 That's great. 34 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,000 So there is cannabis around there. Have you ever gotten trouble for cannabis before it was legal here in Colorado? 35 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,000 Only with my mom. 36 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,000 Only with your mom? Have you ever had any bad experiences with cannabis? 37 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:47,000 Like you've ever eaten too many edibles or something too strong or something that just made you feel anxious? 38 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:53,000 Not really. I've had a couple of times when edibles sort of first made their appearance. 39 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,000 You couldn't really tell how much was in it. 40 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000 Sometimes I got a little too high and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm really high. 41 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000 But then I always remind myself, I'm not going to die from this. 42 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,000 So just turn on the Almond Brothers or something and wait it out. 43 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:13,000 I said thank Floyd and just sit on the couch in the dark and it'll pass. 44 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,000 We had a friend who was actually a drummer in a band. Didn't consume much. 45 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,000 We were going to a show in Pittsburgh. 46 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:25,000 It was like an hour drive from where I went to college and he got off work, ate an edible real quick, cookie. 47 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,000 Don't know how strong it was. 48 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,000 Drank one beer on the ride up. 49 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,000 We sat down. We were about 20, 30 minutes early for the show. 50 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,000 We had a beer and we were pretty stoned off the head. 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:40,000 It was like 20 minutes into the show. Where did it go to? 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,000 And say, oh, let me go check the restroom because that's the last time I remember him saying I'm going to the restroom. 53 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,000 He was passed out by the urinal crying time. 54 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,000 I had to take him to the hospital. 55 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Oh, wow. Just because the blood pressure dropped or something. 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,000 It was pretty bad for him. 57 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,000 But yeah, that's just one of the stories I've had. 58 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,000 But we had to take him to the hospital, basically, put him to IV and don't have your eye. 59 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Right. And when his color came back, they sent him on his way. 60 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Wow. Wow. You've never seen anything like that. 61 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,000 I'm sure you have on tour, but not from Canada. 62 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000 Oh, I've never had anything like that happen. 63 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000 I've had some nights after, you know, drinking alcohol. 64 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:23,000 I've had some fun times. 65 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Interesting times with that over the years. 66 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:32,000 But no, I can't say I've ever had any kind of bad trip on marijuana. 67 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Do you have any favorite strains that you like? 68 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:41,000 I like Indica. And I really what I'm getting into now are these Wana Sleepy Time Edibles. 69 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,000 You take like 10 milligrams and they have some CBD in them. 70 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,000 I take one of those at night before I'm about to go to bed. 71 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,000 And 15 minutes later, I'm... 72 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,000 Are they the chocolate ones? 73 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,000 No, no chocolate. They're little gummies. Yeah. 74 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:59,000 Yeah, they have a different variety of mixtures of CBD and CBN. 75 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,000 Yes, CBN. 76 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,000 They can even put melatonin in it, maybe even. 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:03,000 They're great. 78 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:07,000 And then are they the fast acting ones? 79 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:12,000 I take one of those every single night and I sleep for eight hours and I wake up feeling great. 80 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Normal edibles that we kind of grew up with and then I got the fast acting ones within like 30 minutes. 81 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 This is like 15. Yeah. 82 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,000 Yeah, those are nano emulsified or something. 83 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,000 But they just hit faster. But they wear off a little quicker too. 84 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:30,000 But the fact is they do help you sleep and a lot of people really do find relief in that. 85 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Oh, yeah. 86 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 I don't need that. My constant use during the day helps me sleep at night. 87 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,000 But I wake up four o'clock in the morning or five o'clock in the morning when the sun comes up, whatever time that is, I'm up. 88 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,000 So sometimes I'll need something to put me back to sleep so I can sleep a little longer. 89 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Well, try those one edibles. They're delicious. 90 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,000 I actually tried the CBN. If it contains CBN, the CBN doesn't work on me. 91 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Some medicines work the opposite. 92 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:07,000 I would try some medicine that the doctor prescribed and it would make me kind of delirious or anxious, pseudoepithrine, which is one. 93 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Some people get tired, lethargic, and I get wired. 94 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,000 Oh, that's interesting. 95 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,000 It has the opposite effect of them. 96 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,000 So I don't know. Maybe ADHD thing. Maybe we help you with that. 97 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Oh. 98 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,000 Like a red line affects people differently. 99 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Sure. 100 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,000 Who knows? 101 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000 I don't know. Those those edibles work for me. 102 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,000 So back to the area 420. 103 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,000 You had the idea. You came down here to Moffitt. 104 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:43,000 There's what I understood. There's three phases, as people say, but it's basically three subdivisions. 105 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,000 That's right. Three plat maps is how we separated those three phases. 106 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,000 And what are the difference between these phases? 107 00:06:50,000 --> 00:07:02,000 All right. So phase one is we're sitting on phase one right now in the train cars and phase one is this whole area you can see right behind you. 108 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000 It's of 100 acres. 109 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:12,000 We have a total of 420 acres, which is kind of funny because it was a lot of different parcels kind of pieced together. 110 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000 We sort of cobbled together a lot of different parcels. 111 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:20,000 And one day I said, hey, I wonder how many total acres this is. And I added up this one and that one. 112 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,000 And I had to add it up twice. I couldn't believe it. 113 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,000 It came to 420 acres. How funny. 114 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:32,000 So the first phase is 100 acres and we're sold out of the first phase. 115 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,000 We have three phase power here, which is a big deal. 116 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:40,000 That's what you need to run a year round facility. 117 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,000 So we have mostly year round growers in phase one, greenhouses. 118 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,000 You know, phase two has no power. 119 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,000 And so those are all outdoor grows. 120 00:07:53,000 --> 00:08:00,000 So people are coming from May to October to grow outside with the sunshine. 121 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,000 Net zero weed, I think, right? Off the grid. 122 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:11,000 Yeah. I like the idea that phase three is even further down the road. 123 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,000 Once phase two fills up, then you'll go to phase three. 124 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Got you. And how many available spots are in phase two? 125 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Well, we have just started selling those. We have about 100 left. 126 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:30,000 And so what I understand, you're hooked up to the power grid here, but the power grid is there is not strong enough. 127 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,000 It's interesting. There are two power companies. 128 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:36,000 So power companies have territories. 129 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:44,000 And phase one of our development is in Xcel Energy's territory. 130 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Xcel Energy has a huge network and resources to pull from. 131 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,000 So they have three phase power here. 132 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Phase two of our development is in another territory for another. 133 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:03,000 It's a smaller co-op, a power co-op called SLVREC, San Luis Valley. 134 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:10,000 I don't even know what it stands for, but they're smaller and we can only get single phase power there. 135 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,000 So it's just a smaller company. 136 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,000 Can the growers use generators there? Oh, yeah. 137 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,000 And what about in the future? 138 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Is there any plans for having electric there? 139 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,000 If they get enough people? Yes. 140 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:34,000 We have petitioned and requested that SLV up their game a little bit or turn over the territory to Xcel Energy so we can get more power. 141 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,000 But right now, I think it's a pretty good balance. We have a lot of indoor grows. 142 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,000 We also don't want to cannibalize the industry by increasing the supply too much. 143 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:47,000 So we've sort of held back. We're not doing any advertising campaigns for our lots. 144 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,000 It's all kind of happening organically. 145 00:09:52,000 --> 00:10:01,000 Referrals and some of the growers on phase one want to buy a few parcels on phase two just to take advantage of that seasonal outdoor. 146 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:06,000 So we don't want to flood the market. The market's flooded enough. 147 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Yeah, I saw that on the news this morning. There's a little decline in sales. 148 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Right. We don't want to. 149 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:18,000 I talked to with some other people, the medical drop was change of law. 150 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,000 People can't buy as much concentrate as they could before. So that's obvious. 151 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:32,000 But on the rec side, I think there's a big push for marketing instead of quality weed and Colorado consumers are falling for it. 152 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:39,000 Right. Instead of buying brand name with certain names on it and branded stuff. 153 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:46,000 They want effective weed, not something that's mid labeled incorrectly. 154 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:52,000 Something that's good or something they don't like. Not to say it's not good. Not to knock anybody's brand. 155 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Right. Right. But yeah. 156 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:01,000 So water, it is dry desert here. What is the water resource for all of this? 157 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Well, we take water conservation really seriously because water is not something we want to waste. 158 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:13,000 Actually, it looks like a desert here, but under the ground is the largest aquifer. 159 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:18,000 I know it's the largest one in the state of Colorado. It may be even larger. I don't know. 160 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,000 I can't make claims about it, but it's big. 161 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:32,000 So under the ground, there's like a lake, basically, a huge aquifer that you have to have very specific water rights to be able to tap into. 162 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:40,000 So luckily, we do have two water sources that are legal water sources for the cannabis industry. 163 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:47,000 And it's highly regulated. We have to do water reporting to the Department of Water Resources. 164 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:52,000 And we have to pay into a sub-district, a water sub-district. And everything's very carefully monitored. 165 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:58,000 We also charge our clients for the water to encourage them to conserve the water. 166 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000 So you mentioned one more thing about water conservation that was important here. 167 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:07,000 And I know it's a dry area and the water rights in Colorado are pretty strict. 168 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,000 Absolutely. They should be stricter everywhere. 169 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:20,000 So we take our water conservation very seriously. And every grower here has a water meter and it's carefully regulated. 170 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:32,000 We get the meter certified every year and we do charge for the water to encourage the growers to conserve their usage, you know, to not waste any water. 171 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:48,000 And if you compare the water usage for the cannabis industry as opposed to like alfalfa or potatoes or other agricultural applications, 172 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:55,000 cannabis uses far less, way less than alfalfa especially. 173 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Yeah, it's a regenerative thing too. So it's actually good for the soil. 174 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:07,000 Yes. Alfalfa is too, but cannabis is much better from what I understand, much geologic knowledge. 175 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,000 So what are some of the future plans for Area 420? 176 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:21,000 Well, now that we've really done a great job of building up the commercial sector of the town, I mean, there are, when I came to Moffitt five years ago, 177 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:25,000 there were only a hundred people here. It was a population of a hundred. 178 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:32,000 And there were maybe, I don't know, three or four small businesses like a coffee shop and things like that. 179 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Now we have 76 individually owned cannabis cultivations. So that's 76 small businesses have moved into this town of a hundred people in the last four years basically. 180 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:58,000 So now our responsibility is to build up the housing and other commercial businesses like restaurants and Airbnbs and things like that. 181 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:11,000 And then we have the food, the laundry, all the other things that have, I mean, the cannabis industry grew so fast that no one's really had a time, a second to say, oh, gosh, let's start doing this. 182 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:23,000 So we'd like to get some good food out here. So if anybody listening has an interest in cooking some excellent Mexican, Cuban, Italian, anything, we'd take... 183 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,000 Food trucks included? Are they allowed on premises? 184 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:33,000 I think for some people those are highly mobile when people could come down and the area is great. 185 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:43,000 I can contest if there was something to eat, it'd be easier. And I see you got these buildings out here, these yurt looking buildings that are being constructed. Are those the Airbnbs that you're talking about? 186 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:57,000 So those are going to be housing for growers. So we built small houses out of grain bins. So they look like little metal grain silos, like basically like a metal yurt. And I have 12 of them out here. 187 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:08,000 So they'll be, I'll rent them long term to growers. Employee housing. Yeah, employee housing. Better than working for Vale. Oh yeah, for sure. 188 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:25,000 So we are here at Area 420. There's a big festival. It is Harvest Festival. What are some other events that you have down here that will attract some people down? I know there's some great hot springs around. If you're here, that's a great area to hit. 189 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:36,000 There's some sand dunes right down the road. There's also Crestone, which is a dark sky city or dark sky community where you see tons of stars at night, the Milky Way. 190 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:49,000 That's right. Yeah, Crestone's about 15 minutes away and it's a little hippie town with kind of funky houses made out of all kinds of different materials and it's just a very free place to live. 191 00:15:49,000 --> 00:16:01,000 You can kind of do whatever you want over there. It's nestled in the mountains. I love it. That's great. I just went for a big bike ride this morning out there. It's gorgeous. Yeah, I drove over this morning with all the deer walking in the street. 192 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Last time I was there somebody was petting deer. I didn't see him touching it, but I think he was having a conversation with it. 193 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:21,000 I was scratching a deer behind the ears this morning. They're like domesticated animals. Yeah. And then of course, yeah, the sand dunes is a, I think it's a national park. 194 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:34,000 It's really fun to go to the sand dunes. I was there a couple weeks ago and went, I guess you call it sandboarding, but it's like snowboarding on the sand. I'm not very good at it. I fell down about three times and then kind of gave up. 195 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:44,000 But my friends who are snowboarders are better at it. So yeah, I've seen pictures of it. I can pass. It's pretty fun. I fell hard enough doing snowboarding. Yeah, falling on sand is going to hurt a little bit more. 196 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:59,000 If it lands, if it gets in your mouth, but it's fun over there. It's really pretty. And then like you said, there are three hot springs. There's Joyful Journey, Hooper Hot Springs and Valley View. If you want to take all your clothes off, you can go up there. 197 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:05,000 So that's cool. It's just a kind of a fun area. So, so watch County and the San Luis Valley. 198 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:09,000 It's a different, and they're aliens here too. 199 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:18,000 For real. Oh yeah. Yeah. So have you met them in that conversation? I might be one. I don't know. I think we all could be. 200 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Hey, well I highly appreciate you coming on the show. Is there anything else that you want to add and let the viewers or listeners out there know today? Hey, I'm just thrilled. I mean it's incredible. 201 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Growing up in a time when you could get arrested for just like nothing, you know, like a little tiny joint or something or anything. You could get arrested for that. People get thrown in jail for that. 202 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,000 I know how people that have it very close like skin to my teeth. Yeah. 203 00:17:49,000 --> 00:18:02,000 And you're getting arrested a handful of times. And now, I've always thought it should be legal. I don't know. I never understood why alcohol is legal and cannabis is illegal. Makes no sense. 204 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:08,000 So it's just really nice to be alive in the time when cannabis is legal. 205 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:26,000 And we're enjoying the freedom of being able to sit here on this train car out in the middle of Colorado smoking whatever we want and growing legally. And there is going to be a dispensary on site here with some of the local products in the train car with Miracle Farms, I believe. 206 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Yes, exactly. Awesome. That sounds great. And I know this will be one of my tours, destinations whenever I'm out. I'll be down here at least once a month. Yeah. We'll see in the winter. Yes. How many people are still here and what's operating and what the weather and the drive is like. 207 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:56,000 It's going to be a bit of a stretcher. Yeah, it does. It quiets down a bit in the winter. It's so cold. But anyone who wants to come out here and join us on this train car and see what we do, come on out. You'll be welcome. Yeah, you will. 208 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:06,000 You will not be disappointed. Yeah. Well, highly appreciate it. Thanks. Thanks for coming and having us. Let's go out and enjoy the festives. I will. All right. Thank you. Thank you. 209 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Would you like to grow your own cannabis at home. Are you able to now because it's legal in your state. 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I don't travel anywhere without mine. 226 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Finally, if you need any consulting for your home growing needs please contact Little Farmer from his website's Contact Us page by leaving a message. 227 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:48,000 We can help you with your lighting, growing mediums and other growing questions because I not only sell seed but I help you grow them too. 228 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Make sure to take advantage of these seed prices while they last because they won't last long. 229 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,000 And now back to the show. 230 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:04,000 I'm sitting here with BK Roller. He's the Chief Operations Officer of Dark Horse Genetics and they are the breeders of Bruce Banner. 231 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:10,000 We're down at Area 420 today for the Harvest Festival with Heart and Soil. 232 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:14,000 And I want to ask you BK, what got you into breeding? 233 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:21,000 Well, I guess what got me into breeding is the same thing that got me into growing. 234 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:28,000 My high school sweetheart at the time got diagnosed with stage 4 cervical cancer. 235 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:35,000 And they pretty much tried everything they cut, froze, used radiation chemo. 236 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,000 They used chemo that was experimental, not even on the market yet. 237 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:49,000 And then they sent her home on hospice to basically die at 16 years old and I wouldn't accept it. 238 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:56,000 My father grew and so I heard stories about THC helping with cancer. 239 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:02,000 And that's why I started growing. 240 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:11,000 But I found strains that would affect her negatively and some that would affect her positively. 241 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:19,000 And one of them was blueberry that was like her favorite, but it just wasn't high in THC. 242 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:27,000 So when I started growing, I started growing to produce Rick Simpson oil. 243 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:35,000 You know, back in the day that information was traded around because I come across it in like 89, 88. 244 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000 What year did you start breeding? 245 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,000 I started breeding in 90. 246 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,000 90? 247 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Yeah. 248 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,000 So that's some of the first information I ever got to on the internet was Rick Simpson oil. 249 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,000 And I was blessed to come across that. 250 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000 You know, it changed everything. 251 00:23:53,000 --> 00:24:04,000 And her liking a low THC strain is what got me into breeding because I had to pump up that THC or try to figure out a way to. 252 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:10,000 And so I hit the original blueberry clone to a white Russian male. 253 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,000 At the time, white Russian was the most potent strain, commercial strain that you could buy in seed form. 254 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:21,000 And it was testing around 22 percent, if I remember correct. 255 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,000 And so I found a phenomenal male. 256 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,000 I did my whole phenol hunt just looking for males. 257 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000 That's all I kept. 258 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,000 I didn't really, yeah, I didn't keep a single female out of that. 259 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:41,000 But I hit that to the blueberry and I got a phenol out of it that was really strawberry, really potent. 260 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000 And it didn't give her anxiety. 261 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:50,000 It didn't have that raciness that a lot of potent strains seem to have with her. 262 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 And so I made the oil from that to begin with. 263 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:07,000 Much later down the road, Kush came into the scene and, you know, Kush was like the most potent weed I had ever fucking smoked at the time. 264 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:12,000 And you could always tell Kush in the bag because no one knew to take it 10 weeks. 265 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 You know, they were all pulling it like eight, nine. 266 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:22,000 So it would be so much still white pistols on it, you know, and you see it in the bag. 267 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000 And the pistols were jagged. 268 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:31,000 They were, they just stood out different from any other bud that I'd had. 269 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:41,000 And luckily with the crew that I ran with and, like I said, being a second generation grower, my dad grew some fire, some legendary shit that's been known. 270 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,000 You told me you were from Kentucky, right? 271 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Yeah. 272 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000 And you did, was it all outdoors at the time? 273 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Yes, all the dads was. 274 00:25:48,000 --> 00:26:01,000 I didn't have, I had a small amount of luck outdoor, but, you know, you kind of put out three to four times what you expected to bring in because you'd lose them to hunters and cops. 275 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Yeah. 276 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:07,000 I don't think you can find that OG here because everybody breeds for eight weeks here in Colorado just because it's short season. 277 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,000 If it's outdoor, indoors, it's a lot commercial. 278 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,000 So everybody's running on a time frame and they want to get it short. 279 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:18,000 So a 10 week is something that most commercial growers aren't going to grow for one thing. 280 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,000 You got to have a longer season like California. 281 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,000 That's where the OGs are popular, famous. 282 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:37,000 You can, I mean, you can do it in a commercial setup because, I mean, what got me with Dark Horse is Dark Horse was focused around Kush as well and the medicinal aspects of it. 283 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000 So all of our rooms are set up on 10 weeks. 284 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,000 The broad range of cannabinoids throughout it all. 285 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000 Right. 286 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000 We're still learning so much as we approach. 287 00:26:49,000 --> 00:27:02,000 People are just now getting to the fact just in the last, what, five years or so, the fact that the terpene changes everything in the cannabinoid profile. 288 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Like you can take the same cannabinoid profile and administer a different terpene with it, you're going to have a different effect. 289 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:19,000 And that, you know, medicinally blows my mind because that's what I've always been breeding for is trying to create true medicinal strains. 290 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:23,000 It's great for recreational because they're always high in THC. 291 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:32,000 But the point is, is how THC and cannabinoids kind of auto correct our autoimmune system. 292 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,000 You know, they put it back in check is the best way that I can describe it. 293 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:43,000 And the weird part is it's no one size fits all, you know. 294 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,000 Yeah, it affects everyone differently. 295 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:53,000 Because you can take CBG and combine it with CBD and it will floor you. 296 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:58,000 It will, you know, make you feel more sedated than you've ever felt before. 297 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,000 And there's no THC in there. 298 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,000 But it's still high quality medicine. 299 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,000 The same could be said with that same profile with adding THC. 300 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000 Yeah, I agree. 301 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:18,000 I breathe perfect for terpenes, nuts, loud smells, no matter what spectrum they are on the terpene profiles. 302 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,000 I like them loud. 303 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,000 And I think the THC levels kind of go hand in hand. 304 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:30,000 If it has good turf, then the THC levels will be elevated in certain strains, but not all of them. 305 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:38,000 And it is the most medicinal aspect of the plant is the terpene profile. 306 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:46,000 And you told me you grow for the terpene profile OG Kush, and that's one that's barely really sought after and it's hard to capture. 307 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:55,000 What are some strains that you guys have at Dark Horse Genetics that carry some of that OG terpene profile that people can get their hands on? 308 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:03,000 Well, the number one, I'm always going to refer to Jason's first creation, which was Bruce Banner. 309 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,000 Not only does it have that OG in it, that's why we call it the Banner 3. 310 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000 The three leaf pheno. 311 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000 So it's OG dominant, right? 312 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:25,000 And it's a little sweet for an OG, but when you get into the F2s, which we just released, you can find more OG dominant phenos and go that direction. 313 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:34,000 Now, the next one is probably the King's Banner F2s, because it's primarily a mash of OGs. 314 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:47,000 And so to work backwards per se, you know, to look for that OG dominant in a nice pheno hunt of either one of those, you're going to have, you know, you're going to find something you're happy with, I'm pretty sure. 315 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,000 Yeah, I got to get my hands on some of those. 316 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:54,000 I'm looking for some OG and some real ranked stuff myself to add to my collection. 317 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,000 Yeah. 318 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,000 And I got one of those Runts clones from me looking very sweet today. 319 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Thank you for that. 320 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,000 Yeah, for sure. 321 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:06,000 I can't wait to put that into my collection and I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing some of your knowledge with us here. 322 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:14,000 I'm going to get a couple more breeders in here and have them talk about the same thing and I'll let you get back to your stand and make some money on your product. 323 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,000 Sure, sure. 324 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Appreciate you. 325 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,000 Thank you, BK. 326 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Do you have a business with a product or service that you would like to advertise? 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337 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:31,000 Well, I originally grew up in Omaha, Nebraska, and over the years I got like four different pot charges there and was just tired of getting bothered by the police for smoking weed. 338 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,000 So I decided to come out to Colorado and I had friends, family out here already. 339 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,000 So I had people that were willing to let me crash couch until I was able to get a place going. 340 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,000 And it's been, you know, ever since. 341 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,000 Yeah, I came out here for similar reasons. 342 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000 I didn't have any charges, but it was just to get away from what was going on where I was at. 343 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:59,000 There was a lot of drinking, a lot of opiates going around and a lot of death and a lot of depression. 344 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:06,000 So I left and just to come back here to Colorado, because I knew some people and been a lot happier since. 345 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,000 Oh, for sure. 346 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:13,000 And we were talking about how we both got started about the same way we smoked as kids because we were introduced to it. 347 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:18,000 And then we both realized the same thing that it helped us with a little bit of ADHD. 348 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,000 And how else did it help you as a youth? 349 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:27,000 It just sort of helped me with like, I guess, paying attention in school. 350 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Like I've always been the kid that's been bouncing off the walls and like teachers were trying to suggest to my parents, 351 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:39,000 do like do, you know, riddle in or all those other like ADHD drugs. 352 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:45,000 And my parents didn't want to go that route with drugs and all that, which thank God for that. 353 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,000 And I ended up smoking weed just because I used to smoke cigarettes. 354 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,000 And that's how I started smoking weed is all the kids would meet at like the smoker tree before school. 355 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:02,000 And yeah, which is funny because it's like everyone calls weed the gateway drug is tobacco. 356 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,000 I mean, it totally is tobacco. 357 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:11,000 Tobacco was the first thing that I consumed. It was easy to take a cigarette out to the neighbor's pack and go hide around the corner. 358 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000 Yeah, exactly. And that's where I mean, I encountered most of all the other kids who were smoking weed. 359 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:22,000 And I was like, oh, yeah, I'll try that. And I smoked it and ended up going to class. 360 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:30,000 And yeah, I mean, it did real well with being able to study because whenever I was actually in school, I get mostly A's. 361 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:35,000 But it was skipping the problem for me. 362 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:42,000 Yeah, I was too hyperactive to sit around. I played a lot of sports, which helped me get a lot of my aggression and energy out there, 363 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,000 which didn't really help me focus in school. But school was too easy, really. 364 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:54,000 So it was kind of boring. And it's just like it helped me get through college because I didn't consume much in high school. 365 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,000 It was only weekends and after sports because it really helped me with my paintings. 366 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:05,000 I tell I really fell in love with it too. Besides ADHD, it was the pain relief I had from sports. 367 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:16,000 And that's a big issue now, though, with the kids and Ritalin in America. And medicines for ADHD are off the charts. 368 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000 I'm glad my parents never put me on anything like that, too. Thank you, Mom and Dad. 369 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,000 Yeah, I really do appreciate my parents for not trying to go that route. 370 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:30,000 I mean, they've done studies now where Ritalin is shown to shrink the brain of children. 371 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,000 We're taking that. 372 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,000 What's the new one? Adderall is what a lot of people are prescribed now. 373 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:44,000 And it's been told, I've heard, is similar to crystal meth on the brain and how your brain reacts to it. 374 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:53,000 It's pretty much meth that's made in a lab, if you really look at it. I mean, there's very similar chemical components to it. 375 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,000 Yeah, I know a lot of people who I used to work in the dispensary would come in and they were mothers. 376 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:06,000 I wanted something to help me clean my house and make it not such a tedious job and keep me focused so they don't get distracted. 377 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,000 And they were tired of drinking a glass of wine or using some type of Adderall. 378 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,000 I've heard that's one drug of choice for people who are in that situation. 379 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:23,000 They're tired, they need to get something done around the house and that's their go-to. 380 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:31,000 I had a lot of friends who used that stuff in college to just get passed on midterms and everything of that nature. 381 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000 It's just nasty stuff. 382 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,000 I told people weed was the one that helped me get through college. 383 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,000 If not, I would have never had the patience. 384 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:46,000 Yeah. And I probably would have gotten in a lot of trouble with alcohol and whatever else was going on. 385 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000 For sure. 386 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,000 So when you came out here, what actually got you into breeding? 387 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,000 Well, I mean, breeding came down the line. 388 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:00,000 When I first came out here, I was just living with someone and they were growing. 389 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,000 I would just sort of help them here and there along their house. 390 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:11,000 Then it got to the point where the funds were getting low and I needed... 391 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000 It was like, okay, I'm about to have to move back home. 392 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,000 I had some buddies offer to put me on in a spot. 393 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000 They were like, all right, we'll teach you how to grow. 394 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000 You do all the growing. 395 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 We'll toss you a cut. 396 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:32,000 That's sort of how I got into growing, which I always wanted to do anyways, 397 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000 but I just didn't have the means or didn't have anyone that was down to teach me. 398 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,000 I read books and stuff, but it's a total different ballgame. 399 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,000 Reading a book and having someone that actually has been doing it for years. 400 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 Yeah, I'm the hands-on experimental type. 401 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000 I got to learn hands-on. 402 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000 I can watch a video and redo it, but I got to do it hands-on. 403 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000 So I had a friend who brought me in and taught me a lot. 404 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000 Then I just expanded from there. 405 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,000 It's just intriguing once you get into it. 406 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,000 It's such a plan. 407 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:05,000 It's engulfing, and there's so many varieties out there. 408 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,000 It's a beautiful plan to watch grow. 409 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000 Oh, for sure. 410 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,000 When they put me on, though, it was like, you grow these strains. 411 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,000 You only grow these strains. 412 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,000 You grow it this style. 413 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,000 You only grow it this style. 414 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,000 It's like you're doing it the way I teach you because this works. 415 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,000 This is how it is. 416 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,000 Yeah, they got a method that worked. 417 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,000 Yeah, this is successful, so you follow this. 418 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Once you buy out or do whatever, then you can do whatever you want. 419 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,000 That is a commercial plan. 420 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,000 Yeah. 421 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,000 So it was just sort of being bound by only having these genetics. 422 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000 The second I was let go, I was like, okay, what else is out there? 423 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,000 I guess sort of what I've gotten in breeding is the love of the plant. 424 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000 I love genetics. 425 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,000 I can't just grow once-drain and just once-drain only and just have that smoke. 426 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,000 I love the variety that it offers. 427 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,000 There's smoke that's going to be better for daytime. 428 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000 There's going to be stuff that's going to be better for my nighttime use as well. 429 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,000 So medicinal purposes is another reason. 430 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:12,000 It's just having the genetics that suit me for what I'm doing during the day. 431 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,000 That's exactly why I started too because on a commercial, like you said, 432 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 it's certain strains because they produce well. 433 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000 On a schedule, you can get them out commercially and that's it. 434 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000 But when I grow, I like to grow for myself. 435 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000 Personal, different times of day, a good sativa in the morning, 436 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,000 something relaxing at night, something in the daytime that just depends on how I feel that day. 437 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,000 If I want to take a nap, something a little heavier. 438 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,000 If I want to keep working, push through another sativa or something, you know? 439 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,000 Yeah. 440 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,000 And it was all personal. 441 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000 And that's a big difference from a breeder. 442 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,000 That's why I went the breeding route instead of the commercial route because of that reason. 443 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Yeah. 444 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,000 It's the same way. 445 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000 I don't like being bound by like you can only grow these genetics 446 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:58,000 because this is all that sells well under our business plan 447 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,000 because they yield the best and we market them the best. 448 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:06,000 And it's like, you know, there's a ton of genetics out there that are great, 449 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,000 that aren't the most popular strain. 450 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,000 Yeah. 451 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 I've grown some that don't produce well just because of their profile, 452 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000 some that suits me. 453 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,000 And I don't have to worry about it, producing a whole lot of weight 454 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000 and making money back off of it. 455 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000 That's one good reason not to be a breeder. 456 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,000 For sure. 457 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,000 And producing your own medicine. 458 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,000 What are some of the strains that you prefer to grow for yourself? 459 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:37,000 I like a lot of like the old school, like the Kim's and headbands, stuff like that. 460 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:43,000 Also, if I'm going on like the fruitier end, blueberry is my flavor. 461 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,000 That's the strain I'm working with at the moment is blueberry muffin top meal. 462 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000 So I took a pre-99 blueberry and I hit it with a muffin Ozzy Kush. 463 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,000 Muffin Ozzy Kush came from dying breed seeds. 464 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,000 So I found the male with that and hit it to the blueberry. 465 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,000 So that's where I'm doing my work on at the moment. 466 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,000 I'm currently working on some thimbs with the Magoo's whorehouse. 467 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,000 So it's bordello and blue Magoo. 468 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,000 So I like a lot of like the blueberry end of things. 469 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,000 And then more sedating. 470 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,000 Yeah. 471 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Like body high, I mean, like just relaxing and not such the head. 472 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000 Exactly. 473 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:27,000 The blueberry muffin top though, there are it's a pre-99 blueberry that was used on it. 474 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000 So it's a little bit more on that sativa leaning side. 475 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,000 So it is a bit more on the hybrid. 476 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,000 So it's going to give you a nice like body high, but it's not going to put you down sleep wise. 477 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 You still have a nice head high as well with it. 478 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000 I would call that one the dispensary one. 479 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000 So I would call it as hot tub weed. 480 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,000 Yeah. 481 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,000 There you go. 482 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,000 You would be relaxed enough to hang out in a hot tub, but you wouldn't be too relaxed to fall asleep. 483 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,000 You're still a little sociable. 484 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,000 Nice. 485 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,000 Yeah. 486 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000 I always like to call it my vacation weed. 487 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000 So it's like if I'm on vacation, I smoke some of this. 488 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000 It's like I'm nice, relaxed, but it's like I'm still awake. 489 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,000 I can go do stuff, whatever I want to do during the day and have a good time. 490 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,000 Yeah. 491 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,000 I like the old school strains too. 492 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,000 I'm messing around. 493 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:19,000 I got a green crack and a Dynacem and a purple headband that all came from existing caregivers in the system here in Colorado. 494 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,000 So they were pretty good cuts to produce well, but really nice terps. 495 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000 I grow for terps. 496 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:31,000 That's why I like Lao terps because they just give you those different feelings. 497 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,000 Excuse me. 498 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,000 What are some of the terpium profiles that you find in your strain? 499 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,000 Does it actually have a blueberry smell? 500 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,000 Yeah. 501 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,000 Yeah. 502 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,000 I can show it to you. 503 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000 After the interview, I do have a jar of it. 504 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,000 I mean, it's straight up like hostess blueberry muffins. 505 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000 It's sort of like the little mini muffins that come in the packs. 506 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,000 That's what that smells like. 507 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000 It's that straight old school blueberry. 508 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,000 What is the lineage on that? 509 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,000 Did you already say it? 510 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Yeah. 511 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000 It's a pre-99 blueberry crossed with a muffin OZ Kush. 512 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,000 Muffin OZ Kush. 513 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000 I'm not familiar with that strain myself. 514 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,000 I like Kush's. 515 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,000 OZ Kush, it's eddyleb OG in Skittles. 516 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,000 Dying breed genetics. 517 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,000 So they bred that, and then they took that and they hit it with a muffin. 518 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,000 Muffin is, I guess, a coveal blue Kush is what they say. 519 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:26,000 That's about all the information I have on it from the lineage they've released when they sold the seeds. 520 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:31,000 But yeah, I like a lot of the older blueberries. 521 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,000 That green crack, when you were talking about that, that one has me intrigued as well. 522 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,000 Yeah, I got this right here. 523 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,000 If you want to give it a smell, that was one of my first mixes. 524 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,000 It's called Head Smack. 525 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,000 It's got purple headband mixed with the green crack. 526 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,000 Because I like the purple headband taste. 527 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,000 It had that earthy and nice purple smell to it. 528 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,000 The classic, what people call purple smell. 529 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,000 But it didn't have the head high, so I mixed it with that green crack. 530 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:02,000 You can smell the green crack in the background of it, but definitely get that purple headband in the front. 531 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,000 Yeah, it's got that grapey or purple smell, berry, with a little bit of that pineappley. 532 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,000 The green crack had a pineapple smell on the back end of it, the one that I grew. 533 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:18,000 I'm working with a cross right now with a green crack in the blueberry muffin top. 534 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:27,000 It's currently been popped in a few different facilities that I gave out for testing. 535 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,000 Then I'm about to be popping some seeds of it as well. 536 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,000 I called that one nose muffins. 537 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:34,000 Nose muffins. 538 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,000 I'm intrigued. 539 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,000 I'd like to get maybe a cut of something, a blueberry or something. 540 00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,000 I don't have time to be no hunt. 541 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,000 I got so much stuff going on myself. 542 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:49,000 I got a very good Day Wrecker, which is of my OG alley. It's supposed to be the original Day Wrecker, 543 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,000 which came from a Sour Diesel and Kim 91. 544 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,000 It's a 20-year-old cut that's never been feminized or never been seeded, so it's a clone only. 545 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:05,000 Is it the old Day Wrecker cut that used to circulate around here probably eight years ago? 546 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,000 Yes, sir. That's the one. 547 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:08,000 I love that cut. 548 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,000 The one that has that skunky after. 549 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,000 It's like you would take it out of your car and the next day you'd be like, I still smell the scum. 550 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,000 You smell it and you're like, okay, that smells like old school sour right there. 551 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:22,000 It's degraded. I need to get the Maristem clean and take it back to its glory. 552 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,000 But I've been using it to breed with, so it's still kicking out some good beans. 553 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,000 Other than that, I had a DynaChem. 554 00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:35,000 The DynaChem came from the same source as the Day Wrecker. 555 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:41,000 It was so terpy that I had thrown up two or three times when I was helping my friend trim it. 556 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,000 I was just like, I'll be back. 557 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:47,000 I had to stop. It was so chemmy and so terpy. 558 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:53,000 It was the highest producing one. Always just a self-standing structure. 559 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:59,000 No weights. It was the guy I was telling you about earlier that had the terpiest stuff ever. 560 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:04,000 It was just the conditions. I don't know. Maybe it was the cold nights or what it was. 561 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,000 It was a little stressful in there somehow, which brought out those terps. 562 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000 Nice. 563 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000 Did you mix any chems with that blueberry? 564 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,000 Yeah. I do have, it's called Motor City Blues. 565 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,000 It's Motor Breath 15, crossed to the blueberry muffin top. 566 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,000 That one's a really nice one. 567 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,000 Some of the phenols turn out just really chemo-G dominant from the motor breath itself. 568 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:34,000 Then there's a few phenols in there that go more on blueberry OG side of things. 569 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,000 That one's a really nice one. 570 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:41,000 Another one that I have that's on chemmy side of things is Glitter Litter. 571 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,000 I took Litter Box, which is GMO, crossed to the crim. 572 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,000 That one's bred by Canada Vine. 573 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,000 I hit that one with the blueberry muffin top as well. 574 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,000 That one, there's some gassier style things. 575 00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:03,000 It doesn't really lean too much on the GMO, but it's a really chem funk to it. 576 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:09,000 Then the other ones phenol-wise that you're going to find in are a guava berry style flavor. 577 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,000 Yeah, I like that guava smell with that island fruity. 578 00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,000 There's some papaya stuff going out there too. It's a pretty nice smell. 579 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:22,000 It's really smooth though. It's not the real pungent smells. 580 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,000 There's some of those papaya that I've smelled that I'm just like, ooh, that's nice. 581 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:33,000 But then there's a lot that I've smelled where, just like he said, where it's smooth and sort of subtle. 582 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:40,000 I think I had a talimon or something like that that came out very similar to that island-y smell 583 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,000 with the fruity cantaloupe or apricot maybe even behind it. 584 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,000 It was produced well, but just didn't have the turk profile that I'd like. 585 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:55,000 It wasn't loud enough. I think one of my favorite strains is vanilla haze. 586 00:46:55,000 --> 00:47:02,000 That's one that I like a lot and I grow that people rave about. It has real nice high turpentiline. 587 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,000 I don't know if I've heard of that one. What's the genetics on that? 588 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:15,000 That's got a super silver haze mixed with some blue satellite, which is of that blue alley with a flow from DJ Short. 589 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,000 That's a high cerebral high with a high creativeness to it. 590 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,000 So that mix comes out really cerebral, really soaring high. 591 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:30,000 That's one I like in the morning or at midday when I'm kind of tired and I want to push through. 592 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:35,000 If you have any good sativas, like my roommate likes to call them working weed. 593 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:40,000 I go help him get in the garage and just start going at it and be focused. 594 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,000 I probably wouldn't say I have anything that's like straight working weed. 595 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:52,000 The closest thing I have that's more on the sativa line would be the blue limon. 596 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,000 That's got the limon cake in it, which is a limange wedding cake. 597 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:06,000 I find with a lot of the citrus strains, they tend to be a little bit more on the sativa side of things for smoke, but up at E-high. 598 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:15,000 This one doesn't really have much of that citrusy limonene in it, which I don't really prefer too much because it gets me too racy. 599 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,000 This one has a straight hay smell like that that I prefer. 600 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:26,000 That's why I like it, but you just don't find too many of those sativas growing up here just because of the altitude, because of the climate. 601 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,000 It's cold, the humidity, and they take a long time to flower. 602 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:36,000 A lot of people stay away from that, especially on the commercial side. 603 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:42,000 It's a shame, but everybody's always looking for them, like a Durban poison or some kind of. 604 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:46,000 Flow is a good one. This one I have, I really like a lot. 605 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,000 I really do like Flow. That was a nice one. 606 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,000 Yeah, it's a real creative one. I have a friend who likes to write songs and he smokes some of these. 607 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,000 He just goes at it. Notebook filled up pretty quick. 608 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,000 Nice. 609 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:07,000 But hey, I appreciate you coming on the show, Sam. I'm going to let you get back to your stand so you can get some money out of your beans out there and send to your customers. 610 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,000 Sounds good. 611 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,000 I want to have you in again sometime soon and we'll discuss this a little further. 612 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,000 Enjoy the Harvest Festival. 613 00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,000 Will do, and thank you for having me on. 614 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:29,000 No worries, man. Highly appreciated. 615 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:57,000 Thank you.