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Welcome back everyone. This is Reefer the Reefer the podcast. I'm your host Little Farmer.

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I'm here with Rashaun Thomas aka Growzilla 5280 on Instagram if you want to go follow

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him. He is a Denver local. He's down in Moffitt growing in the area 420 and he is a trailblazer

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in the social equity growing community and he's here to talk about that a little bit

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today. Can you tell us a grow how you got into the game a little bit?

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Absolutely man. Yeah, thanks for having me. Man, it's been a long journey man. It started

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off at a very, very young age, you know, growing vegetables with my grandmother going down

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south to the farm with my great grandfather growing and just kind of introduced me to

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agriculture at a young age and therefore kind of transferred over into cannabis into the

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community that I'm in. How did you get into the social equity? What

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were some of the steps that you had to go through? That's a great question man. So,

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ha man, you know, sleepless nights, a lot of meetings, a lot of rooms, just being an advocate

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man, you know, this is an uphill battle that we're still constantly fighting. So it's not

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really of a you're in, you're in, you know, this is something that's more of a lifestyle,

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more of a turning point in the cannabis industry. So, you know, I'm living in the state of Colorado,

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they're a little bit late or a little bit slow with some of the social equity programs,

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some of the policies that they're making, some of the rules that need to be presented. But,

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you know, that's what we're here for is to kind of advocate for that and kind of make sure

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that these type of issues are brought to the table. But I got into the social equity,

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growing social equity realm of cannabis, you know, I guess, at a very young age, you know,

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being a part of a community that was heavily riddled by the war on drugs, you know, Mount

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Bello, Denver, Colorado, it was something that I seen, you know, timeless, countless times again,

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you know, the arrests, the tickets, the harassment over cannabis. I mean, that was social equity back

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then, right? It was just till 2021 is when it really started being recognized. So I guess that's

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somewhat of a loaded question, how I got into social equity, I guess I can say I was kind of

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born into it. Nice. And what were some of the difficulties that are emerging for you to get

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to where you are now? I mean, there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of obstacles. There's a lot of

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unforeseen, unforeseen factors that comes and play a role in your business plan.

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It's just been a challenge as far, you know, you're going to have to go through the licensing

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process. Fortunately, I was blessed to be at a place called Area 420, as you mentioned, where,

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you know, it's a little bit cool and a little bit, you know, it's not so restricted with all the red

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tape as far as getting the license on the local level. So the town of Moffitt is pretty cool. So

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the lot that I bought was already pre-licensed. So it actually helped me get into the industry

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legally a little bit easier than if I were to be operating down in Denver.

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Yeah. So yeah, Denver is pretty crowded and there's a lot of, not a lot of places with the zoning to

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throw up your grows or throw in your new dispensary or to get into your business.

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Absolutely. And that's one of the fights being social equity that we're fighting for.

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Excuse me. And that's to kind of loosen some of these zone restrictions that they have,

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all these green zones and these neighborhoods of undue concentrations. So the neighborhoods of

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undue concentrations are zoned out within six neighborhoods in Denver. And these undue

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concentration areas are areas where you cannot operate, you cannot own a dispensary within a

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thousand feet of these areas, or you can operate a grow. So that's a little tricky, right? Because

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happened that these neighborhoods of undue concentrations are the warm drug areas. And

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these are the food desert areas. These are the areas where actually dispensaries capitalize and

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grows capitalize in the beginning of the prohibition. And we're able to grandfather in on some of these,

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on some of this real estate and keep this real estate and capitalize on the community as far as

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the culture, as far as getting their products sold. So, you know, it's a little bit, it's a

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lot more foreseeing as far as the political aspect of cannabis and social equity that a lot of people

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see from the outside. So you said you were down in Moffitt, Colorado growing. And I mentioned that

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earlier, it's AKA Cush, Colorado. They're trying to name their city after Cush because there are so

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many growers down there. It seems to be a place that a lot of people are being able to grow. It's

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San Luis Valley. I don't know how many lots are available, but there's still lots available down

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there. Shout out to area 420 though, because that's where the opportunity started. Like you mentioned,

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you know, the town of Moffitt is a lot more cannabis friendly. So, you know, it's not all

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the red tape and the high cost to get into the industry. And that's where the social equity part

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takes place. See, another thing that I have learned and heard is that the financial backing is really

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difficult for some of these social equity license recipients or people who are looking to get a

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social equity license with any state. It's hard to get financial backing. And they're getting

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financial backing from large corporations. And then they're kind of losing the control themselves.

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Just they're being used as a front man. And have you seen that happen? Yeah, well, that's that 51%

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of ownership, right? And you know, that's that social equity colonist, you know, colonization,

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you know, where you get these corporations, they go after these social equity applicants who are

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very, very wet behind the ears when it comes to business, very wet behind the ears when it comes to

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decision making, financial, financially decision making. So they capitalize on that. But you know,

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they put that restriction where the social equity licensee has to have 51% of ownership of the

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business. Well, that still leaves another 50% of the license out there. So that leaves that door

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open for these corporations that kind of come in, capitalize, you know, get these areas where social

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equity are kind of where those rules and those barriers are kind of lifted exclusively for social

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equity, and they kind of capitalize on it. Delivery is a good example of that. The delivery is

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struggling majorly in Denver, Colorado, due to the fact there's 209 dispensaries, and only nine of

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them partner 10, nine or 10 partners with social equity delivery companies. And the delivery,

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the delivery realm in Colorado, how setup is, you have to be a social equity applicant in Denver.

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So when we're talking, we're talking about, we're talking about cities, right? Because that's how

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the cannabis industry is kind of regulated in the state of Colorado. Each city has their choice

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to either participate or each city doesn't happen. Denver is the capital, so they kind of trailblazed

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and pioneered it. So with that being said, the transporter slash delivery license exclusive,

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just to the social equity applicant. Well, that makes it where the delivery business or the

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delivery ramification of this industry is very slow moving, and it's at a very slow pace, because

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none of these corporate companies want to partner with these delivery companies for what reason,

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I don't know. They're trying to wait it out to see if they can't get their hands on these license

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and allow so many of these big corporations to set up their own deliveries and make it explode. So

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that's, you know, it's a, it's a really a lot behind the scene, but you know, that's kind of

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what we're in these rooms fighting for. And that's, that's what this voice is for. I did hear

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something recently about there was a reduction in tax price or something for the delivery company.

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Do you know anything about that? Yeah, man. So recommend any delivery companies local here?

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Shout out Better Days, shout out Blazor Go, you know, that was my voice. But no, yeah, there was

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a bill that was just passed, man. And we were fighting really, really hard for it to kind of

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make the delivery more exclusive to social equity to extend that exclusivity out a little bit more

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and that bill passed. So that's great job on that. Denver also did a good thing and lowering the

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licensing fee. So on a city level, the licensing fee was 2500, it went down to $25. So that gives

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the dispensary owners a little bit more initiative to work with these delivery companies. However,

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on the state level, nothing's changed, still high prices. Gotcha. Do you have any advice or anybody

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that you would recommend to new people trying to get into the social equity game here in Colorado?

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Absolutely. Start off with cseg.com. So that is the website for Colorado State Social Equity Group.

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I'm actually one of the board members, our founder Asia. This is where, you know, it starts, right?

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This is where the grassroots work starts. This is where the ground community lays its framework. So

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anyone that's looking to get into this industry as a social equity applicant, I would definitely

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recommend cseg. The color of cannabis is one of the resources. Rashaun, when was the first time

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you ever smoked cannabis? That's a great question, man. I would have to say I was 14, man, and I

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remember it like it was yesterday. So I got some, I mean, it was some freaking brickweed, right? And

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at the time, I, you know, it was, I had access to it, but I really didn't have access to it.

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But I had a girlfriend that her older sister, she used to smoke with her older sister. So she was,

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you know, it went like, come over, I'll give you some and, you know, I'll give you some of this weed

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and you could try it. So I went over there, you know, went and got some, she left it in the mailbox.

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I remember it like it was yesterday. So I rode my bike over there, my BMX bike, rode my BMX over

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there, got it out the mailbox. I took it home. So this is how inexperienced I was with, with cannabis.

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So I got, I took it home, broke it up. I at least knew that, right? So I got some notebook paper out

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of my trapper keeper. So I might be telling my age right there. Got some notebook paper out of my

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trapper keeper. I rolled it up, I opened the window and, you know, there went, you know, I turned on

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some Dr. Dre, you know, and there it went. I lit it up, man. And it was like such that it was a

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such a sensation. It was the euphoric feeling was unmatchable. I mean, it was truly undescribable.

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It was, it was, it was great. Yeah. First time I smoked, I actually didn't get high.

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I've heard that from many people, but the first time I did get high, a friend of mine from DC

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had some, and he told me this is $20 a gram. This is some Jamaican red. And we had smoked some

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schwag weed and didn't really hit me too much. I guess I wasn't smoking it right. But the first

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time I smoked that, I got the exact same euphoric feeling. I had the toe tingle. All my pains went

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away. I don't know. I just love life at the moment. And that's the medicinal properties,

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right? You said, you said it, you set the key. All your pains went away and that's what we need

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more testing for. You know, we need the government to participate a little bit more in this R and D

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testing. You know, we need more positive, more positive campaigns when it comes to consuming

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cannabis as not only as recreational, but as a medicinal property. Yeah, man, it is mental and

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physical relaxation for anybody's smoking. I think all consumption is medicinal of some sort,

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even if it's just a recreational after work, calming down. It is relieving your stress.

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Yeah, I remember, I remember being young and seeing like the old heads like drink all night,

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right? Like they would drink all night. They would wake up the next morning. They would wake up the

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next morning sick as hell. They would go to the couch. Underneath the couch was a shoe box top.

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And that shoe box top was a pack of white zigzags and some fucking weed. And they would roll that

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shit up and they would smoke that shit. An hour later, these motherfuckers is laughing, joking,

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eating food and things were back normal. So that's the definitely the medicinal properties

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and that we're seeing in it, you know, the nausea, the upset stomach feeling. So definitely can attest

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to that. It is great for a hangover. I've heard that many times and I can contest because I drank

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a lot in college and smoking the first thing in the morning would get me feeling good enough to

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go to class and it gets you up and motivated, right? It motivated me and it calmed me down enough

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where I could sit still for an hour and a half and listen to a lecture which would bore me in

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any other way. I'm sure, I'm sure it did. I mean, that's a challenge. That's a lot to kind of,

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that's a lot to kind of deal with, right? You know, waking up off of an alcohol

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binge, off of a drinking binge, which is legal, which is, you know, not tax heavily on the way

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that the cannabis industry is, which is not demonized or pushed to the corner

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like the cannabis industry is. You know, this is something that is, went through prohibition,

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was legal by standards of the government, but it's now legal, which is flaunted in every commercial

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Super Bowl ads. I mean, you know, alcohol is like really something that is huge in the American

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culture, but yet cannabis, something that's a medicinal property, something that does

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opposite of what alcohol does. It's something that's highly regulated and something that's not

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federally legal. But, you know, like, you know, just to kind of rewind back to what you said about,

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you know, in college, waking up after that, you know, drinking and then having to smoke a joint,

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you know, and get there and get to that lecture, you know, that's a lot to ask for, you know,

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a kid in college that's, you know, that's want to hang out, that wants that college experience

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and then what, you know, have to go to, have to go to class to a lecture the next day. But if this

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kid gets caught smoking a joint or vaping, you know, he's kicked off a campus or he's written up.

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So, you know, but yet, you know, they're overlooking the party that that kid was just at. So

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I think that's really hard for these kids. Yeah, I went to the number one party school in the nation,

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West Virginia University, and there was a lot of peer pressure to drink. And I didn't really like

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drinking, but I ended up drinking a lot because it was hard to get a good joint or to find a good

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cannabis because it was illegal and it was dry a lot of times. So drinking was readily available,

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but it has something that's helped me stop drinking since I've been here to Colorado.

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I haven't drank in four or five years, not a drop, don't even want it.

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Congratulations on your sobriety. Thank you for that. Thank you. And

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we were talking a little bit earlier about how there was troubles back in the day when we were

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trying to score a bag or something, you know, and how it was illegal and it was always associated

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with alcohol or even harder drugs like crack cocaine. And that was something even in small

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town, West Virginia, in a little town, crack was crack was there. There was people dropping out

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of school at 16, 17, smoking it. Some of my best friends. And I ended up in crack houses

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just to smoke some herb. Have you ever been in any messed up situation like that?

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I mean, coming from a neighborhood that was targeted by the war on drugs, you know,

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they use different type of strategies to kind of, uh, encroach that type of behavior. So what they

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would do is they would use the marijuana because they knew the cannabis, they would use the cannabis

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as a gateway to, um, I guess do lawful slash unlawful search and seizures, you know, um,

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going through properties and things like that. So I think in my community, they knew that they had

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the marijuana, um, offhand, but you know, it was a bigger and broader scope for what they were

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looking for. They were looking for other things, but they use the marijuana as a gateway to search

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cars, to get information or to, or for entrapment and things like that. So.

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So yeah, the cannabis gets a bad rep as a gateway drug, but for me, it was a gateway to get out of

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those situations out of drinking out of, uh, you know, I never understood that, you know,

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when they said that cannabis was a gateway drug, right? Because I came from the era where they had

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dare, you know, the dare was the, the, the huge slogan, you know, dare to keep kids off drugs.

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And in school, they would bring, uh, this cop and he would have this big guy, this guy dressed up as

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a, a dog, you know, a crime dog, McGruffin, they would come to school and they would tell kids,

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Oh, stay away from weed, stay away from cocaine. These are big, bad drugs and you would never grow

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up to be anything, you know, and on the, on the blackboard, they would bring, they would bring these scheduled drugs and

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they would have a joint right up underneath a cocaine bag. So I thought, I always found that, you know, that was quite interesting that

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weed would be the gateway drug to others because I've never experimented with any other drug.

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You're more, you're more acceptable to peer pressure when you're drunk.

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Doing stupid stuff you wouldn't do when you weren't.

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When you're, when you're smoking cannabis, man, you're more mentally focused. You're more focused on,

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you know, the things around you. You're more focused. You're in a better place. You're,

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your, your mind's adjusted to kind of die, to kind of digest things at a different pace, you know,

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more, more slowly or more, more congestively, you know, but when you're, when you're drinking alcohol, man,

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you're just kind of spontaneous in some of the actions that you do. You're kind of spontaneous with some of

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the words that come out your mouth. So yeah, I kind of seen it from both, both ends.

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in social situations. They're not as talkative. So, uh, maybe just, they're just thinking twice

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about what they're going to say before they say it. Exactly. Right. That's that, you know, that's that

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stimulation of the mind that cannabis gives you, you know, it gives you that euphoric feeling where

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sometimes you just want to go, go to that place, go to that euphoric place, that stimulated place

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that makes you feel good. Right. You have that hard week, all week, nine to five dealing with,

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you know, the boss's demands and, you know, Fridays came and you want to kind of reprieve,

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you kind of, you want to compress from your, your, your work life and, you know, you're,

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you're, you're obligated and you're entitled to, to kind of, you know, have a joint or two.

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And so it makes me feel good every time, but have you ever had a bad experience smoking cannabis?

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Have you ever found something laced or ever, uh, you know, just felt paranoid or?

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I, I've, I never found anything laced or never, you know, became overly paranoid unless I was smoking,

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uh, an unfinished sativa or, or some unfinished weed, but, uh, no, you know, typically in parties

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and, and things like that, you know, unless I really know you or I've sat there and I watch you

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roll it up, you know, I really don't smoke behind you like in raves and shit like that. You know,

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I won't really grab a joint and, you know, that someone just passes randomly and starts smoking.

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So I haven't had any experience with any, with any lace weed, but, and again, you know, in this

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community, in, in, in this culture, man, you know, the true legacy people, true legacy, uh, cannabis

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consumers don't get out like that. Right. That's not something that we do. That's not, you know,

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we don't run around like, ah, I'm a lace to backwood or I'm a lace to joint and I'm gonna

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just pass this around to everyone. You know, that's typically someone that's really not, uh,

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of this community or not genuine in the community. Yeah. That's good, good advice for new people out

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there smoking when you're ever at a party, just don't take a joint from anybody you don't know.

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Make sure you know who you're smoking with. And if there's somebody that's been smoking for a long

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time, got a good reputation to give and ask somebody else, yo, should I trust him? No doubt.

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It's just like, especially females, you never know when somebody's going to slip a roofie in your

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drink. That's something you really got to be careful of. You never know what somebody's

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going to pass to you if you don't know what you're getting. Exactly. But that kind of harkens back

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to what I just, you know, to the statement I just made, you know, you know, those types of people

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aren't truly about this community. And that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to separate the

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real from the fake for say, right? Because, you know, it kind of diverts back to the corporate

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part of cannabis where you have a lot of these MSOs and a lot of these owners of these big,

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you know, of these big brands that don't even consume, you know, don't even consume cannabis.

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So I find that hard to believe that they would be in tune or in touch with what's good herb,

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what's the culture of it, and who they should buy it from. So yeah, that's good advice. I like that.

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So have you ever been around somebody's had a bad time smoking over consumed or had a bad trip?

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about a kid that jumped off of a hotel building or something like that. And they, they tried to blame

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it on edibles. I mean, it made a huge movement in cannabis where they started, you know, eyeballing

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to start putting numbers up underneath microscopes, start putting restrictions on concentrates and

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things like that. Me personally, I've never seen anyone outside of E2 Big Macs, back to back,

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you know, off of cannabis. I've never, I truly have it. Uncontrollable munchies. Uncontrollable

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munchies, right? Yeah, that's something that happens with new people. But once you get used to it,

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kind of lessons and lessons, but first time users beware. So quick story, quick story. So,

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you know, during the time you start smoking, you know, and all the smokers know this, all the

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connoisseurs know this. You know, when you start smoking that first time, you know, you might get

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high, you might not. But those two, three times after that is when you start really knowing like,

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this is what stone feel like. And you start getting those effects of whatever type of cannabis you

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consumed. And back then, we didn't know it. Like I said, it was a culture thing. It wasn't, it wasn't

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a recreational or a medical thing. So we had access to all types of cannabis. It wasn't on

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a certain market or a certain shelf. So make a long story short, we were in high school. I was

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smoking with my cousin, got my cousin high for the first time. Freaking, we were in my grandmother's

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house. And we were eating cold waffles, cold, egg, or waffles with peanut butter, had like the

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uncontrollable munchies. So that was a great time. Yeah, I remember tearing up a couple of

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refrigerators in my day, especially late night. No doubt. So your little operation down there,

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what type of grow you got? What type of soil you're running? What your plans are for the future?

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Absolutely, man. So we're down there in the San Luis Valley area, aka Cush Colorado,

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area 420, you know, doing it with my brothers out there. So yeah, man, we're always, always,

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always going to be efficient at what we do and make sure that it's environmentally friendly,

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you know, at every grow after every grow, we always try to reduce our carbon footprint by

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staying environmentally friendly, sustainable, when it comes to the agriculture standards,

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we're doing living soil, which is really, really great, you know, this is the first year running

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living soil. So we're excited about that 100% sun grown, we do outdoor and we do some greenhouse.

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possible, reduce our greenhouse gases by all means impossible, and keep it all organic, man.

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Yeah, I was pretty impressed when I came down to see your grow, your plants were really nice,

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I saw some really nice purples popping out, some nice size on those colas. I was really surprised

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for the first year in the ground out there. Yeah, you know, it's a native soil man, you know,

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went to a living soil class that was hosted by GrowCast. And, you know, there was a lot of

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talk about native soil and native soil being the key and the generative of cannabis life, you know,

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and ultimately, that is true, it's no knock on no one's growth style, because I've done it all from,

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you know, from granulates to liquids to, you know, organics. But what we're ultimately trying to

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achieve is what's natural coming out the earth. And honestly, that's what these nutrient companies

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are trying to replicate. So what type of genetics are you running? Did you start with clones? Did

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you start with seeds? Do you have any preference of what you like to run down there? You know,

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in the valley, any valley with that climate and temperatures always get to run a good Kush. But,

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you know, we're doing a little bit of everything, you know, shout out to my man BrainStrap genetics,

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you know, we're running some Harambe breath, tropical funk, you know, some funk runs and

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shout out to my boys out in Purple Mountain Farm, you know, we're running some of their Colorado

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Kush, which is really hitting the dispensaries and we're running some of their purple dream and some

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of their blue juice. So we got our own line, we got our own genetics as well. So we're doing some

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girl crush, which is going to be huge. We're going to be working with an edible company to try to

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do a collaboration with that. So look out for that in the future. And yeah, man, we're rocking

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and rolling trying to build up our library so we can hit everybody with some funk.

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Yeah, I like the idea of the sun grown. That's something I think that's going to be the future

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of cannabis, more and more states going legal, you're going to find more people growing outdoors

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because they're not trying to hide it indoors. Absolutely. I mean, it just keeps the overhead

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down as well. And you said the key thing, hide it indoors, you know, that's how the whole indoor

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market kind of came about. People having to hide from helicopters or nosy neighbors looking over

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your fence, right? But you know, you know, in all actual honesty, the landscape of cannabis is where

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it needs to grow outside. So yeah, you said that Kush, yeah, that's why they want to name the

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town Kush, Colorado. And it is something that grows really good at the climate and cold,

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regional is something I find when you have a... Absolutely. I mean, if you look at the guys in

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the Hindu valleys and in the Pakistan valleys, they're not growing in warehouses and cities,

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they're growing up in the mountains outside, you know, and they're putting out some fire,

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fire, fire, dank. So that's kind of what we want to get back to, not only get back to getting that

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fire, dank, but again, get being environmentally friendly, being sustainable and keeping that

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overhead cost down. Yeah, I think that's one of the reasons that when a lot of people come here,

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they're looking for strains and they can't find them. They're like, why don't you have them here?

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And it's because the cannabis doesn't grow here like it does in California. You don't have the

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long seasons. You don't have the same strains that will thrive there as you will here. So you're

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going to find different strains and being down outdoors, you're definitely going to find different

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strains that are going to be perfect for your environment. Absolutely. Here in a few years,

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you said you're getting some of your own strains going and hopefully we'll look out for some of

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those. Oh yeah, no doubt, no doubt. What are you doing with your final product once you harvest it

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this year? That's a great, great question. Like I mentioned, we're going to be doing a collaboration

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with an edible company. We're also going to be doing some live rosin. So that's going to be,

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that's going to be pretty fun. You know, it's been a good year for the farmer out there in the San

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Luis Valley area this year. So we're seeing minimal seeds to zero seeds in some of our

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strands out there. So, you know, some of that might absolutely go to some of our pre-roll market,

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you know, we'll just have to see, but we definitely for the fall look forward to some of this premium

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quality indoor flower. So greenhouse flower. So it's definitely going to be on shelves and yeah.

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So you mentioned the pre-rolls. Do you have any pre-rolls on shelves right now? Absolutely,

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absolutely. So our pre-roll branch, our pre-roll brand launched a couple months ago. We're in a

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couple dispensaries. We actually just picked up a new dispensary in Kenosha Pass, South Park. So

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shout out South Park. But we're in Penners, Colorado, we're in Penners and Hoopers, Colorado,

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Golden Meds, Denver Kush Club and a spot in Durango. So y'all go get your pre-rolls,

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AKA trap sticks, scan your QR codes for future drops, free merch giveaways and also new strands.

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So what strains did you have out there on the market already? Colorado, Kush,

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Wookiees and Purple Dream. And what were those five for 20 you said on the shelf?

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you know, the wholesale obviously is different from the retail. So it just depends on what

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spot you go to. I've seen them as low as $7 a pre-roll, I've seen them as high as 12.

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So personally, I'm not much on the pre-rolls. I don't smoke joints, I smoke blunt, I roll my own.

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Everybody has a preferred way. My roommate smokes bowls, the other one smokes joints,

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and we all just smoke our own. I used to work in a dispensary and I know that pre-rolls are a huge

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market for the tourists, for the people out there on the go, don't want to carry a bowl. And what

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puts your pre-rolls apart from the rest? Yeah, and you know, that's been the stigma for

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a long time that pre-rolls, number one pre-rolls, they all taste the same, right? They don't have

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any taste or I have to roll it to loosen it up because it just smokes too tight. So that what

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separates our pre-rolls from the ones that's typically on the market is not only is it

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sown, grown organically, but we use the whole plant, we use buds, we don't use sugar leaves or

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any bottom buds, we don't, you know, any lowers or anything like that. We use everything from the mid

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up. So that's one thing that separates, not only that, you know, we do a method of hand pack,

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hand grind, so we don't run it through any future rollers, any of these hand packing machines,

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you know, we manually do it, we put the sweat equity in it for a better product at the end.

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Yeah, that sounds good. I know that the market out there is great for that and you guys are

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in town or in Colorado, make sure to look out for Grozilla 5280 pre-rolls on the shelves.

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So would you like to give a shout out to anybody out there, Gro?

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Yeah, man, shout out to, man, the whole social equity community for, you know, for getting this

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movement going, man. Shout out to Area 424, you know, making it happen for your boy, man.

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Brain-striped genetics, Purple Mountain Farms, Better Days Delivery, Blaze the Go,

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Color of Cannabis, I mean, the Colorado Cannabis Business Office, I mean, there's a lot of Denver

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excise, there's a lot of people that play, you know, Sullivan, Matt Ozarth, you know, there's a

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lot of people that play the instrument, a huge instrumental role in this journey. So man, if I

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was to do shout out to the B for the next hour, but yeah, I mean, if I miss anyone, I love y'all.

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Wow, Holly, appreciate you coming on the show today. And we will be in touch. I'm going to have

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you on the show again so we can talk about this further. We'll see each other down the Area 420

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here in a few weeks for the, what is it, the Harvest Festival with Heart and Soil. Yeah, man,

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we have a couple vendors, a list of vendors coming up with Heart and Soil, man. It's going to be a

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great event. I believe it's going to be October 15th. Don't quote me on that, but you can go to

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the Area 420 Facebook slash Instagram page and get more details. Yeah, they're sharing seeds.

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Not only in cannabis seeds, but vegetable seeds, companion plant seeds. I'll be down there with

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some basil seeds to give away. It's the harvest season, right? Not only for cannabis, but for,

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you know, for all agriculture, for all living things. So let's just have a, let's go down there

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and let's have a blast. Yes, sir. Peace. Thanks for coming on.

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We call him Dr. Erg for the healing meditation and good vibration

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for food, fuel, viral and a little bit of fun. See the joint ain't necessarily the point, but I want

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to see.