1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:15,600 Welcome back everyone to Reefer the Reefer the podcast. I'm your host, Little Farmer. 2 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:22,020 I'm here with Matt. He is the owner and founder of BrainStrap Genetics and also co-founder 3 00:00:22,020 --> 00:00:27,540 and co-owner of the Flower Factory down here in area 420. Thanks for coming on, Matt. 4 00:00:27,540 --> 00:00:31,320 Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me on. I appreciate you guys coming down to be able 5 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:36,280 to do your thing here, hook up the audio, get the podcast studio back up and going again 6 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,320 and continue to put out new content. Yeah, that's the plan, man. It's a beautiful 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:47,640 area down here. I love the concept. Thanks for you inviting me down here to meet everyone. 8 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:54,560 It's been a great opportunity to network and meet a lot of new people. And so I wanted 9 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:59,560 to talk to you about your cannabis consumption. What got you into it? You're obviously very 10 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,000 not obsessed, but your life is driven about cannabis just like mine. So it gives a lot 11 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,880 in common. And when was the first time you ever consumed cannabis? 12 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,440 First time I ever consumed cannabis was at the age of 13. I was at a little snowboarding 13 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:19,720 event with some of my friends and one of my friends had some weed. He'd already had a 14 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,960 joint rolled up and they asked if I wanted to smoke it. And I don't know if it's pure 15 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:30,280 pressure or just curiosity, but I did. And I smoked it and I didn't really get high off 16 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:36,920 of it my first time. I don't know. It was maybe because I was expecting it so much, 17 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,200 or anticipated the high, but I didn't feel like I got high off of the first joint that 18 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,660 I smoked. It wasn't until that same friend I linked up with him because he was the one 19 00:01:46,660 --> 00:01:51,120 that kind of had the plug amongst our group of friends. And when you're 13, 14, coming 20 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,960 up, getting ready to be into high school, still in the junior high years, it was hard 21 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,680 to get weed. You had to know some older kids or some older people you were hanging with 22 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:06,480 to be able to score a bag. So it wasn't until I smoked off of a waterbomb, which is when 23 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,720 I really got high. And that was what it really hit me. I remember watching me myself and 24 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:18,000 Irene. It was a Jim Carrey movie and it was just high as hell, man. The laughs, the giggles. 25 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,080 What year was that? And you're from Indiana, correct? Yeah. So highly illegal in Indiana. 26 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,600 And it was probably not easy to get back in the day, was it? No, probably. It's probably 27 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:34,960 like for me, man, I'm 36. So that was probably like 99, 2000, when I'm talking about. Before 28 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,520 that it was, it really didn't get brought up too much to me. I mean, I went to school 29 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:46,200 where like, dare was a big thing. Like, dare, resist drugs and everybody's rocking the t-shirts 30 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:52,200 and weed was considered dope. And they had like the commercials and everything with like 31 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,840 the eggs frying and the skillets and all that shit. So, it's interesting to see where it's 32 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:03,280 come from a time like that to a time now where it's becoming more and more socially accepted, 33 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:09,200 more normalized and more and more states are jumping on board and recognizing the value 34 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,400 that this plant can bring. So many different avenues. It was the same way. I didn't get 35 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:19,880 high the first time. I didn't really feel it as much. Second time I smoked, it was out 36 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:25,040 of a homemade toilet paper roll with some aluminum foil, a little steam roller and the 37 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,640 quality was much better. And it slowed my brain down. And I was like, whoa, made my 38 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:35,360 nose run a little bit. I was like. At that time, when you were scoring bags, like did 39 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,120 they have a strain name or a cultivar name to it? Or was it, cause for me, it was just 40 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,240 like, it was kind of like, you know, watching a half baked when the dude pulls up to the 41 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,680 apartment and he's like, yo, you want the highs, mediums or the lows, you know, for 42 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,880 me, it was like, he either got kind of bud or in my generation, it was considered more 43 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:56,080 chronic at that point. But I'm from Indiana kind of bud, you know, the terminology, if 44 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,840 you look into some of that comes from that deer Creek era, the dead heads, you know, 45 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,280 traveling through. And that's where the kind of terminology kind of came from, as well 46 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,200 as the bubblegum strain. And for me, when I was coming up, it was more chronic. Like 47 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,120 if you were getting high grade cannabis, it wasn't like it was the chronic strain. It 48 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:18,080 was just considered chronic because you were usually paying $20 a gram for it. You know, 49 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:24,400 there wasn't many strain names when I started smoking. It was swag, Mexican brick. Yeah. 50 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:30,480 Or as mids or kind of bud. And if you had some good, some good bud coming from the dude, 51 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,560 usually, I mean, if you were trying to grow, which not a lot of people work as if growing 52 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:39,600 up in a prohibition state, it was some risky shit to try to grow. And because one, if you're 53 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,280 young, you want to, you want to talk about it. You want to brag about it and flex, you 54 00:04:43,280 --> 00:04:47,680 know, and it's hard to hold back quiet and not tell anybody. And that's like the number 55 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:53,200 one rule you'll read in any type of gorilla growing is don't talk about what you're doing, 56 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,700 you know, unfortunately, or keep your circle very small. And so, yeah, if you had some 57 00:04:57,700 --> 00:05:01,120 good bag seed, man, you were for me, I was just throwing it down on the ground and seeing 58 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,160 what I got. I had no idea what I was growing. You know, I kind of had an idea what it leaned 59 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:11,120 towards, you know, a little bit from the lineage, but it was kind of a guess at that point. 60 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,240 You know, you didn't just get, you know, seeds. I mean, you did, you could get them from like, 61 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:21,160 you know, certain seed banks at that time. But the genetics were kind of like me, you 62 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,160 know, 63 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,140 we always had a hash plant. Now those famous for West Virginia, West Virginia or a hash 64 00:05:26,140 --> 00:05:33,800 plant and or it was swagweed. That's all we ever got back home when I was young. When 65 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,040 I got to college, we started getting mids. It was shipped from all over just people from 66 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,920 college there from all 50 states, national, international. So we got a little bit of stuff 67 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:48,640 from everywhere, but it wasn't available to every everybody. Yeah, you had to know somebody. 68 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:54,400 Yeah. I mean, I do I do remember smoking some like old school skunk back in the day. I mean, 69 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,480 I don't know if it was exactly roadkill skunk or not. It did have a roadkill trait. I mean, 70 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,280 I've seen plenty of dead skunks on the side of the road and I know what that smells like. 71 00:06:03,280 --> 00:06:08,000 And it was very similar. But it's hard for me to say, man, that was that was kind of 72 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,760 before my time. And so I kind of got the back end of that that that ride. You know what 73 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:16,320 I mean? So yeah, I didn't I didn't get to choose any of the strains until I came to 74 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:22,360 Colorado and I came here in 2000. So in 2000, it was still illegal here. But you were getting 75 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,880 some skunk strains over some very infamous people in the mountains growing at that time. 76 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:33,440 They had a lot of good, lot of good strains. That's where I came into the to the good herb. 77 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,960 Yeah, awesome. Have you ever had any problems trying to get herb in your days? Like been 78 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:44,560 in any situations trying to get a hookup? The dry dry spell season? Yeah, everybody 79 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:51,520 had dry spells. Yeah, it was like a seasonal thing, you know, and you don't really realize 80 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:56,200 it until you start cultivating cannabis. You know, when you're just you're just buying 81 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,720 it as a consumer, you don't put much thought into the cultivation of it. You're just looking 82 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,840 for fireweed that gets you high. But if you're cultivating it, and you have been for a while, 83 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:11,360 even like in the late 90s, early 90s, and before my era, you knew when dry season was 84 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:16,000 coming up. And so you wanted to make sure you're prepared because a lot of times the 85 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:21,880 local dudes, if you will, didn't have the supply. And so you had to resort to either 86 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,920 lower grade or shake or whatever you could find scraping your hash out of your pipes, 87 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:32,320 you know, we were from the country, we ended up having to get out to the city, not me personally, 88 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,480 but I know people who would drive down to the inner city, try to find some score down 89 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:41,160 there and end up getting robbed. Yeah, or end up getting pulled over because they are 90 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,480 so far out of place without out of state tags. Oh, yeah, I got ripped off in New Orleans 91 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,960 like that one time I gave it due to money and he never never came back with my money. 92 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,440 I was so young and gullible that I didn't think much of it. But looking back at that 93 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,760 now is a very stupid decision. But yeah, I'm the same way, man. I'm from the country from 94 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:03,760 the backwoods of Indiana, spoil banks, cornfields all around me, very few neighbors. So like 95 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,960 when we went into the city, the closest city to me at that time was Evansville, Indiana. 96 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,840 And it's probably the I think it's the third largest city in Indiana, you know, next to 97 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:19,260 Fort Wayne and Indianapolis or Marion County. So I never really went into the city too much 98 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:25,880 to score, but because I could usually get it from some of the locals around me. And 99 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:30,480 and they they weren't necessarily growing it. They were just bringing it in from their 100 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:35,920 sources. You know what I mean? So it was kind of I mean, it's kind of neat, you know, looking 101 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,360 back at it then it was like, you know, highly illegal and you're going to get locked up. 102 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,800 But now it's like, it's a everyday part of our life. You know, we're transporting product 103 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:49,520 every day. We're selling product every day legally in the state that recognizes that, 104 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:55,100 which is nice not have to be in hiding anymore. So yeah, so awkward when you go back to another 105 00:08:55,100 --> 00:08:59,280 state that I can't do it, man. I can't do I haven't been back to Indiana really since 106 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,720 I've been out in Colorado just because I just don't really want to go that long without 107 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,360 my weed. You know, I don't want to go from being a medical patient to driving across 108 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,200 state line and being a criminal again, you know. So yeah, that's where I wanted to get 109 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:16,400 talking about to you were talking about you started recreationally, but you ended up getting 110 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,920 sick and cannabis turned out to be your medicine. Yeah, talk about that little. Yeah. So when 111 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:28,400 I was 26, it was like my the end of my sophomore year in college, I got diagnosed with Hodgkin's 112 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:34,600 lymphoma stage two cancer. And so I had to go through chemotherapy and radiation treatment 113 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,400 to get cured of that or in remission now. But yeah, I found a lump growing on the side 114 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:44,640 of my neck. I was in the best shape of my life. I was like 215 pounds. I was working 115 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:50,180 out every day, great college diet, like had plenty of financing to back me from the Marine 116 00:09:50,180 --> 00:09:54,840 Corps what I'd saved up to get me through college. So but then I had found a lump in 117 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,120 my neck. And I didn't think much of it. I just thought it was like a head cold or just 118 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,680 like some flare up from you know, six season coming up where it was getting cold, but it 119 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:09,080 never went down. And so I like, you know, eventually I went in to get it checked out 120 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:15,760 and they did some, they like jabbed a big gauge needle into like, it was a tumor growing, 121 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:19,840 but I didn't know it at this time. And they just jab this big gauge needle into this tumor 122 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,840 to get cell samples to look at the cells underneath the microscope. And that's when I got a phone 123 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:29,400 call a couple days after I had that procedure done. And they told me right on the phone, 124 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,680 they were just like, Hey, is this Matt Aldridge? And I was like, yeah, this is him. And he 125 00:10:32,680 --> 00:10:37,480 was like, well, this is Dr. So and so from Indiana University medical, we want to let 126 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,400 you know that your test results came back positive for Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer. We 127 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:48,640 don't know what stage it's in yet. But stand by your phone for the next 24 hours to seek 128 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:55,320 additional medical assistance. And I was just like, Whoa, like mind just blown instantly, 129 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,040 you know what I mean? Because I had no clue what Hodgkin's lymphoma even was at that time. 130 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,800 It wasn't even on my radar, man. I was thinking about so much other different stuff at that 131 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:09,920 point. So then I started to go on WebMD and go down the rabbit hole with forums and online 132 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:14,600 readings. And I was like, Oh shit, you know, luckily I had a good cure rate. I think the 133 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,480 cure rate for that cancer is around like 80 something percent now. But you know, I know 134 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,620 other people, close people in my family, my dad died of cancer, my grandfather died of 135 00:11:24,620 --> 00:11:29,440 cancer and I've already had cancer. So it's very apparent it's in my genetic code, you 136 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:35,200 know, as a breeder, I have to recognize that, right. But all I can do on my end is try to 137 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:41,040 live a better life, you know, lifestyle change my diet, how active I am, what I'm exposed 138 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:46,960 to go in and cut it out and then, yeah, they did a biopsy on this tumor on this side of 139 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,360 my neck. And then they did a biopsy on a tumor on this side of my neck. And then that's when 140 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:59,200 I started like the heavy shit like chemotherapy, radiation, all that. And man, they had me 141 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:05,000 prescribed to so much shit when I when I had cancer and I'm 26, you know, 215 pounds going 142 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,600 into this. So I'm in good shape, a lot better shape than a lot of people when they get their 143 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:15,120 diagnosis. I was very fortunate and very lucky. But they had me on stuff for like anxiety, 144 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:23,240 depression, constipation, nausea, pain, you name it, man. And like, so that's when that 145 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:28,480 at that point in my life, and I had been cultivating a little bit up until then, as far as like 146 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:33,600 popping beans, maybe dusting some branches with some pollen here and there, from some 147 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,520 strains from some guys in the circle that gave me some old school genetics to work a 148 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:44,160 lot of hay stuff I was running at that time, Mako Hayes, golden tigers, stuff like that. 149 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:48,720 But then at that point, that's when I really, really got into cultivating cannabis, and 150 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:53,000 I really, really took it serious. And I started researching and learning about stuff like 151 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:01,120 subcooled super soil recipe, how to how to make my own organic blend, collecting my rainwater, 152 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,560 all that stuff, what to look for in plant deficiencies, pest identification. And I'm 153 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:11,080 just researching all this online at the time, because there wasn't a lot of avenues to go 154 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:16,540 down. Like you couldn't just plug into a podcast then, you know, podcasts were just becoming 155 00:13:16,540 --> 00:13:21,020 a thing or they weren't. From what I remember, it was non existent. I don't even think the 156 00:13:21,020 --> 00:13:26,140 earliest cannabis podcast was going then. And especially not about cannabis. Yeah. So 157 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:30,640 you had to go down like, you know, roll it up or what is it grass city forum or whatever. 158 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,720 And you had to kind of read the old online forums to really get your information and 159 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,000 you and you and it was always so sketch being in prohibition states because you like you 160 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,480 get this like weird anxiety feeling that the feds are watching you on your proxy servers 161 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,720 and everything. They say that the cannabis is the one that makes you paranoid. But like 162 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,200 you just mentioned, I think it is the actual fact that it's illegal that makes you paranoid. 163 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,080 It's not the cannabis consumption itself. It's the fact that it's illegal. Yeah. Yeah. Well, 164 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:02,520 I mean, I was growing some really like racy high dominant sativa strains then. I mean, 165 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,640 they were like, you know, a guy in the group called a rocket fuel, but like rock and roll 166 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,720 juice, sorry. But like it kind of, it kind of heightened that a little bit. But yeah, 167 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,720 you're right, man. It wasn't necessarily the cannabis. It was all these other external 168 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:21,360 influencing factors that were on, on my mental state at that time for growing a plant, man, 169 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,160 you know, the plant that helps me and to kind of get back into the whole cancer thing with 170 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:30,160 this, I was just upfront and honest with my oncologist and my radiologist. I told him 171 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,680 straight up. I was like, look, I'm not taking any of this medication you prescribe me because 172 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:38,320 I don't like the way it makes me feel, man. It makes me feel like a zombie. Like I'm all 173 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,120 drug. I can't respond properly. When you're asking me questions, I have to like think 174 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,240 about it. And it just, it just sucked. I hated the way I felt. So I would start making brownies. 175 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,040 And that's when I started getting into like edibles and making my own brownies. I was 176 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,800 still consuming as far as like smoking it every day, but it was really the edibles when 177 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,180 you're going through like chemotherapy and radiation and you've got the nausea associated 178 00:15:00,180 --> 00:15:04,840 with all that and you don't feel like eating and food doesn't taste the same. It was the 179 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:09,200 edibles that really pulled me through, man. And I'd make a big ass batch of brownies 180 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:13,520 and that brownie batch would last me a couple of weeks. And I'd make another batch. And 181 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,160 like I said, I didn't lie about shit. When I went to the VA, I told him right away. I 182 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,320 was like, yeah, I use cannabis every day. My oncologist didn't have anything to say. 183 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,440 I felt like she was pretty supportive of it, but my radiologist did have something to say. 184 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,360 And he was totally against it. He was trying to convince me that the marijuana was going 185 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,340 to cause additional potential cancer of the throat and just all this stupid shit that 186 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:41,000 had no evidence to back it up. It was very clear where his political stance was on it. 187 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,760 And so yeah, I was like, all right, well, I'm going to listen to what you have to say, 188 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,160 dude, but I'm going to take it with a grain of salt because like I see what it's doing 189 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,440 for me. I see what it's done for people in the past. And then after I got cured of cancer, 190 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:58,080 you know, eventually I watched my dad go through it. He had esophageal cancer. He passed away, 191 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:03,080 withered away in two years. And the only thing that was really like helping him with pain 192 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,900 other than until he got to the point of like fentanyl pumps and all that was the hay strains 193 00:16:08,900 --> 00:16:12,720 we were growing right there together. You know what I mean? Just kind of, you know, 194 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:17,880 all the old, all the homegrown cannabis that we had Mason jars locked up in the safe, we 195 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,080 were just popping jars. We'd bust that out a year or two later. It was still good smoke, 196 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:28,160 you know? And that's how we kind of got through without having to go through the side dude. 197 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,160 You know what I mean? 198 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,720 Well, that's one big thing. I came to Colorado and I started eating a lot more edibles. I 199 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,880 felt a lot better, especially during COVID when I had really bad fatigue and was in bed 200 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,000 for three or four days. Some high grade sativa edibles gave me energy and they made me feel 201 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:47,680 better. I could actually get something done when I felt like crap and nothing else was 202 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:48,680 helping. 203 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Yeah. It's tough because like those same strains, it'd be tough for me to grow those outdoors 204 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:59,040 here where I'm at in Colorado, because it's just a lot different, longer growing seasons 205 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:04,280 back in the Midwest. You've got, you know, a little bit more humidity. It's not near 206 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:10,320 as dry. But yeah, it's just a different, just a different, I mean, right around here, it's 207 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:16,600 mostly hybrid and heavy, you know, indica leaning, Kush lineage, in my opinion. So, 208 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:21,760 how has your consumption changed? You said you started smoking edibles. Do you enjoy 209 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,760 doing dabs, browsing, or topicals at all? 210 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I like concentrates of all types, dabs. I've done the salves and 211 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:36,440 lotions and stuff like that. I've even dipped into the CBD side of things, you know, as 212 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:44,080 far as tinctures, sublingually, capsules, you name it. I've tried it. Other than suppositories, 213 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,560 I haven't dipped into the suppository thing yet, but I know there's a couple guys out 214 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:53,640 there that are trying to make a niche into that, you know, side of things. 215 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,920 When I worked in the dispensary, for sure, for females who had menstrual issues, the 216 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:05,560 suppositories from phoria, off the shelf. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I have good things 217 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,000 about them. They didn't make you high, but they may really work for localized help for 218 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:14,200 certain aches. I can imagine somebody had colon cancer, it would really help. 219 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:21,960 Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I mean, there's just so many beneficial sides to this plant. We're 220 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:27,000 just tapping into it, you know? And I mean, rosin has just become kind of a new thing, 221 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:32,120 I felt like, within the last decade. Before that, it was like bubble hash, and you were 222 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:37,560 just taking a lot of time to make good hash. Now you can do it fairly quick, and you can 223 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,120 do it right at home, just by looking at a YouTube video, you know? Pretty cool. 224 00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:47,120 I like bubble hash. That's the first type of hash I ever smoked. Other than that, I 225 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:52,680 do like some rosin, but other than that, I don't really dig the high THC shatters too 226 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,520 much. I knew people would do, it's just not for me though. 227 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,040 Yeah, in the beginning, I was trying a lot of the BHO, butane honey ash oil, and it 228 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,880 was good, man. It's still good. I like to smoke it. Somebody's got some in front of 229 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,360 me. I'll take a dab of it. I'm not going to turn it down. But any more when it comes to 230 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:15,160 dabs, I prefer fresh rosin. Fresh rosin all day, man. You know, low temp, fresh rosin, 231 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,400 right off the drip, put it right in the container and fire it up in the in the car to two, shout 232 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,960 out Focus V. So do you have, or have you ever had any bad 233 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,120 reactions to consuming cannabis or know anybody who has had bad reactions that you've had 234 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:36,560 to deal with? Myself personally, no, but I'm able to do 235 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:42,400 it and have, at this point, I'm able to consume cannabis with discipline. You know what I 236 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,280 mean? And that's for really anything out there, whether you're consuming alcohol, whatever 237 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:53,000 it may be, psilocybin, you do it in small increments, discipline status. But I mean, 238 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,280 there have been times in the past when I was younger that I've smoked some of these hay 239 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:00,560 strains where I've kind of felt like my heart was going to race out of my chest, you know, 240 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:06,640 kind of that, that rush, if you will. I had a cousin, that's the only person I've really 241 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,920 known other than maybe my mother. She had a bad experience one time because, and it 242 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,880 wasn't the cannabis, like we were just talking before we came into the studio here, it was 243 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:19,440 the alcohol is what did it. She was drinking a bunch of homemade wine with my dad. They 244 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:24,240 were getting ready to go to a kiss concert out in the parking lot. They were pre-gaming. 245 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,160 Dad just popped open a barrel of homemade wine he had made, elderberry and blueberry 246 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,840 mix. And so they were getting fucked up on that. And then somebody had a joint in the 247 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,320 circle and lit it up. My mom hit it a couple of times. And my dad told me that they were 248 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,680 in like the women's restroom, the entire concert, because she was getting sick because she had 249 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:45,080 kind of that merry-go-round spin feeling, you know? And I think that's the thing. If 250 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,760 you're jumping into this for the first time, or you're just getting into it, might just 251 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:56,040 separate the two, you know, alcohol from cannabis use, you know? And then as you kind of get 252 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,720 used to it, maybe you can have a glass of wine and smoke a joint and be okay. But if 253 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,320 you're going into it and you're already like shit-faced on alcohol, it's probably not going 254 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,800 to leave a good taste in your mouth for your first cannabis experience. 255 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:13,400 Yeah. I know that happened to a good friend of mine. She had consumed after a few beers 256 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:19,240 first time, got sick, will never smoke again. And it just turned her off. So I recommend 257 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,160 the same thing. If you're out and you're in a new state where it's legal and you want 258 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,640 to experiment, oh yeah, I want to try it just because I can. It's legal and I'm not going 259 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:31,120 to get in trouble. Don't do it after drinking a couple of drinks. Do it first and then go 260 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:36,840 drink a couple of drinks. And then I had a cousin that I'm assuming it was something 261 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,160 pretty racy as far as the height to him. And again, this affects everybody differently 262 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:48,560 here. But he had smoked some cannabis with some friends and when he was younger, and 263 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:53,440 he apparently thought he was going to have a heart attack and had to go to the hospital 264 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:58,080 or whatever. He was fine. They gave him an IV, but it was just kind of that freak out 265 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,680 moment. You know, you kind of start to sweat and your heart's racing and you're just like, 266 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:08,440 whoa, you know what I mean? It's almost like, what's that shit you used to smoke that was 267 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,040 like, they called it legal wheat. Salvia. Yeah, dude, that shit. Like how the fuck did 268 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,840 that get on the shelves? You know what I mean? Yeah. It is not anything like smoking cannabis. 269 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,760 No, dude. Not at all. If anybody out there smokes salvia thinking it's like cannabis, 270 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,280 do not even put them in the same category. You're like, you basically hallucinate on 271 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:29,560 it for like a good 60 seconds. Like you kind of come in and out and it's just like, and 272 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:35,240 you're sweating and it's just like, it doesn't feel right. It's not the same high as what 273 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:41,280 it would be with some homegrown or just any type of weed in general. Yeah, I tried it 274 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:47,800 once when because cannabis was illegal, dry season, trying to find a substitute. And I 275 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,840 was like, Salvia, try this. Did not like it. It was one of the worst feelings I've ever 276 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,280 had in my life. Yeah. Yeah. Panic almost. Yeah. It was a thing when I was in the Marine 277 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Corps, we couldn't smoke cannabis because we would get urinalis tested. So some guys 278 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:07,320 would go out to the local pipe shops and would buy that and bring that back. And we smoked 279 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,480 some of it. And I was just like, dude, this is not like being high. Like this is some 280 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:19,040 heavy shit, man. Whatever is on this. So yeah, I like, I used to drink or drink alcohol heavily 281 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:25,180 and I use cannabis to wean myself off personally. I find when I'm in another country for more 282 00:23:25,180 --> 00:23:29,800 than a month and I'm not smoking cannabis, I'll tend to start drinking alcohol again. 283 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:37,140 Yeah. As a substitute, just more out of nervous, wanting something to do with my hands, fixation 284 00:23:37,140 --> 00:23:42,920 on putting my hand to my mouth. You smoked cigarettes before? I used to. Yeah. I used 285 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,560 to smoke cigarettes when I was in the Marine Corps for a little bit. So I smoked blunts 286 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:51,920 heavily all day, but I don't recommend it because it has a little tobacco in it. It's 287 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:57,280 just a way for me to hold something in my hand as a crutch. So I'm not holding a beer. 288 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,240 Well, it's the pesticides and the blunt wraps too. That's a thing. There's a couple podcasts 289 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:08,300 out here that have harped on this. Bill Drake does a great job talking about pesticide levels 290 00:24:08,300 --> 00:24:13,880 in blunt wraps. Some of the more common ones that people use, Swister Sweets. I'm not throwing 291 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:20,000 any brands out here to blow anybody's brand off or anything like that, but these are facts. 292 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:24,840 Bill Drake did the independent research on this. You can look him up. He's got all of 293 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:30,800 this. Talking about Swister Sweets blunt wraps and some of the main top selling other ones 294 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:39,480 and how high of pesticide levels residuals are still within that tobacco leaf, even after 295 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:45,520 it comes to you as a consumer on the shelf. It's pretty crazy. The numbers are astronomically 296 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,800 higher than anything would be approved by the FDA. 297 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:54,000 So that leads to another point that I wanted to get at too about getting weed illegally, 298 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:59,400 especially in illegal states and being laced with pesticides and things like that. It 299 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,720 could be really harmful. I think a lot of the tobacco companies or a lot of tobacco 300 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,520 products are already laced with these pesticides too and they're very harmful for your chest. 301 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,400 I don't like smoking the blunt. It's just, it's comforting. 302 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,720 If somebody's got it, I'll hit it. Yeah. You're not going to see me go out. You're not going 303 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,240 to see me behind the counter buying blunt wraps. If somebody passes me a blunt in a 304 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,760 circle, I'll probably hit it. But yeah, again, I'm not going out of my way to roll it up 305 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:27,960 with a blunt wrap. I like just like the hemp papers for the most part, but even some of 306 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040 the rolling papers, you got to be kind of careful with what you're investing in because 307 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,840 they can contain heavy metals. We found that out in the commercial. And then when we go 308 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,520 to send pre rolls out, it's not necessarily sometimes the flour that's popping hot for 309 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,640 heavy metals. It's the paper that you're using because the entire pre roll itself or the 310 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:49,440 entire joint or blunt or whatever you're selling is getting tested before that goes into the 311 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,880 consumer's hands. So that's another point too. You, you news 312 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:59,000 consumers out there's be careful what you're consuming out of cheap papers can lead to 313 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,600 chest issues with your lungs. Like I said, I've had bronchitis and pneumonia a couple 314 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:08,240 times in the past. And most of the time it's from smoking bad cannabis or not smoking cannabis 315 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,200 and air pollution. And I'm a hundred percent believer that the cannabis breaks up the phlegm 316 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:19,760 in my chest. I can spit it out. It's like a expectorant and it, it helps a lot. And 317 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,720 I haven't got sick since I've had my own cannabis that I grow myself. It's clean. 318 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,920 That's what I was going to say. Yeah. If you can, and you're in a state where it's legal 319 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:34,060 and you know, I'm not condoning anything illegal here, but it's, it seems to me it's always 320 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:39,280 better in my opinion, when it's cultivated on your own, you do that yourself, whether 321 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:44,800 that's through, you know, hydro salt style or organic style, I would just rather cultivate 322 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,240 my own versus going to the dispensary to buy it. Now with that being said, I'm saying that 323 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,120 from a consumer standpoint, as well as an industry standpoint, cause I work in the commercial 324 00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:59,240 industry as well during the day, do the brain strap stuff and a home grower and enthusiast 325 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,720 by night and the evening. So it's, it's 24 seven for me. My whole life is cannabis. It 326 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,320 has been since I've been in Colorado. I mean, even before I jumped into this industry, I 327 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,800 was growing hemp. So from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed, I mean the touching 328 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:18,200 plants, I'm talking cannabis over kind of around the scene. So again, back to that. 329 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,920 If you have the opportunity to, you get some good genetics, good clones, good beans, whatever 330 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,000 it may be. I always encourage you to grow your own. It's always going to be better than 331 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,120 what you're going to buy on the shelf. And it's going to get better and better like a 332 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,640 fine wine. The more you do it, whether that's indoors or outdoors. 333 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,640 Yeah, I agree with that. I think everybody should at least try to grow cannabis once. 334 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,360 If you can't do it, then you can go to the store and buy it. If you can do it, continue 335 00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:46,440 to grow it. I think that's one thing I want to keep alive is home grows. Definitely the 336 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:52,760 caregiverships. You can see here, the caregiverships in Colorado is not destroying the businesses 337 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,880 out there. They're still making their money. I was super surprised when I came to Colorado 338 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,840 that not more people are actually growing their own cannabis when they have the opportunity, 339 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,520 but very few people do actually. Yeah. And I mean, if you're growing vegetables 340 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,800 or fruits already, I mean, what's it to you just to stick a couple of cannabis seeds or 341 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,480 some hemp? If you want to get some CBD, throw some hemp seeds down. If you're around me, 342 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,040 just make sure you pull your males though. I got no seeds in my backyard. I got the CBD 343 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,200 plant going now and I got a CBG. I want to make tinctures. I had a really fell in love 344 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,520 with the tinctures and that's one great thing. If you grow your own, you got a surplus most 345 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,000 of the time. You can toy with it. If you fuck it up, you fuck it up and you don't have to 346 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:35,480 worry about it. Man, I just wasted so many hundred dollars and it's down the tube. You 347 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,280 grow it yourself. You can experiment and find out exactly what works for you. Like I said, 348 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,280 I've started using topicals. I've found topicals, localized areas. If you do it right with the 349 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:52,720 alcohol tincture, it is sub or how it's systemic. Yeah. It's when it soaks through the skin. 350 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,440 I know what you're trying to say. I can't think of the name for it either. Yeah. So 351 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,800 it's right there. Just getting a systemic trans dermal is the word I'm trans dermal. 352 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:05,280 Yep. And it helps arthritis. My mother's a believer. She used to hate it. The smell 353 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:11,560 now, I wonder if it helps from arthritis. It helps. I mean, it does a smell. She's not 354 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,320 smoking. She doesn't want to feel lethargic. She hates cannabis, but she finally realized, 355 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:23,480 Hey, it's helping him in a better way. So she's okay with it. I'm not saying she's pro 356 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,240 usage for me, but she's okay with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's always interesting. You know, 357 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,840 like 10, 20 years ago, it seems like every, if you were against it, you hated the smell 358 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,780 of it, you know, like that skunky smell or that kind of musky smell. But now as times 359 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:42,000 went on, more and more people like the smell of it. I mean, we're talking about terpene 360 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,540 profiles left and right. What is your favorite terpene profile? Have you like come across 361 00:29:46,540 --> 00:29:50,560 the terpene profile here in Colorado? You've never seen before, never smelled before. That's 362 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,520 just like, wow, that's something different. For me, it's got to be me. For me personally, 363 00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,200 I like offensive stuff. I like the offensive terpene profiles, the terpene profiles that 364 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,720 are like the ugly child of the bunch, you know? And I'm not saying that on like the 365 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,120 growth structure, you know, stuff like that. I'm saying that on the way it smells, you 366 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:17,560 know, I'm looking for stuff that's offensively gross, funky, skunky, rotten, putrid smell. 367 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,160 That's what I like. What I call face slap funk. But some people don't like that. Some 368 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,840 people like the, there's a, the one that surprised me the most when I came here was actually 369 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,560 a Tropicana. It smelled like Hawaiian fruit punch. People love it. It made a mouth water 370 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,040 and they would come back and buy it. 371 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,400 And the flower looks good too. You know, it's one of the, it's the type, it's the type of 372 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:40,200 strain where it's got not only, you know, violet, purple, amber fan leaves, it's also 373 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,480 got that on the calyx as well, all the way up to the pistols. So when you have stack 374 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:50,480 like that and, and eye appeal like that with flavor and smell, that's going to move on 375 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,960 the shelf all day. You know, you got to hit all those categories when you start getting 376 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,360 into stuff like that. But yeah, me man, it's more about, it's more about kind of that kind 377 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:03,400 of gross, rotten kind of nasty smell. I've got a couple of things in the backyard this 378 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:10,200 year from some new beans I'm running. One's a super silver haze crossed with a dirty taxi. 379 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:16,320 The dirty taxi came from JJ from Top Dog Seeds. And that one is called diaper. And it does 380 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:21,280 smell like, this is pretty gross, man, but it smells like baby shit, you know, like, 381 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,040 fresh baby shit in a diaper is what it smells like when he rubbed the stock. I mean, some 382 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:32,360 of the phenos I smell kind of smell a little bit like burnt rubber or like burning rubber. 383 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,600 Like if you've got a tire, a pile of tires, you're burning and you walk across the smoke 384 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:42,600 once and that catches your whiff and your nose hairs, something like that. But that's 385 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:50,880 the shit I like, man. You know, I mean, I got some moms and some high fruity sweet stuff 386 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,640 that's out there, you know, some of the newer stuff that's a little bit more sweet, fruity 387 00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:01,760 and good eye appeal with like trichome density and stuff like that. But for me, man, it's 388 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,200 really it's got to have a nose right off the bat. 389 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:09,720 That Harambee breath. I've heard good stuff about that smell and the Tropicana funk or 390 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,720 trop. What was it? The trop funk? 391 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,680 Yeah, trop funk. I'm getting ready to actually harvest one of those in the backyard in like 392 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,680 a day or two. 393 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,680 And that's Tropicana mixed with? 394 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,680 No. 395 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,840 Or what is what's the lineage on that one? 396 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,240 So the lineage on that is tropical runs crossed with garlic breath 2.0 and that trop runs. 397 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:32,160 So there's two trop runs out there. There's one that Tiki man did one and exotic genetics 398 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,760 did one. The one I pulled from was from exotic genetics, which is a tropic truffle crossed 399 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,320 with runs. He made the trop runs. The other one from Tiki man, I believe has got skittles 400 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,760 in it. So that's the difference between the two there. We kind of decipher that. And then 401 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,400 the garlic breath 2.0 sides from thug pug genetics, which is a Mendo breath crossed 402 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,400 with GMO. 403 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,400 That's one of your. 404 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600 I'm sorry. GMO cross a Mendo breath female to male. 405 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,040 That's one of your males you pollinate. 406 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,500 And that's the male that I have currently. That's the dad of all the brain strap crosses 407 00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:08,240 was that garlic breath 2.0. He is undeniable funk, heavy GMO recessive on the terpene 408 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:16,760 profile, big stature stack, tight pollen stacking with purple stripes on the pollen sacks. 409 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,920 So which is kind of cool for that little extra icing on the cake there. But yeah. And then 410 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,280 his offspring that he produced, it just, man, I'm seeing it. I've seen it now. This is my 411 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,000 second season outdoor that I've ran those seeds from, from that mail and they just crush 412 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,440 every year, you know? And I think the hack out here is to get your beans out early. When 413 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:41,600 I say early, I don't mean like May or June, 2023 spring. I'm talking like here in a couple 414 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,680 of weeks, you know, before the frost or the snow hits, go ahead and barely trench some 415 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,200 rows, lay some beans down. If you've got plenty of beans to throw out, go ahead and lay that 416 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:55,960 shit down. What comes up in February or March, it may get snowed on. It may, it may go through 417 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,680 some frost damage, but it's not going to be able to fuck with that taproot once that taproot 418 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,080 dives down deep enough and it locks in like an anchor. You're not going to get those same 419 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,480 results like you would with the clone, where it's a short root rhizosphere starting to 420 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:15,480 spread out more shallow surface area. So getting your beans out early, like October, November 421 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,160 timeframe, whatever, wherever you're at in the region of the US. 422 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,880 Right. And they get that taproot holds them down. Oh yeah. And the shallow roots. And 423 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,840 you'll see it in, yeah, man, you'll see it in the stocks too. Like the, they'll just, 424 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,120 they'll hold tight. I mean, this year I've got it to where I don't even have to cage 425 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,160 my plants in the past years. I've had to cage my plants like tomatoes, because the wind 426 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:40,920 is so heavy around here in the fall that I'm able to beat that out and have a harvest here 427 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:48,000 in a couple of days before it gets super, super windy, dusty, potential hail, you know, 428 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,560 Jack Frost is going to come knocking and hit us with some like, you know, upward 20 degree 429 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:57,520 nights here soon. I mean, this morning when I woke up, it was 37.8 degrees on my front 430 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,680 porch. So if you've got genetics that got perp in them, they're showing it right now 431 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,480 in Colorado straight up. So 432 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,640 I saw a lot of purple yesterday walking the fields here. And I think it's probably four 433 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:13,340 generations of planting the way you do that will naturally select the strongest and breed 434 00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:18,640 what will grow in your area with the same strain as the seeds. And you keep going with 435 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:25,240 those same genetics, the natural selection will bring out and you'll have huge trees 436 00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:26,240 here. 437 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:32,080 So it's like 10 to 15% of the genetics are influenced by the environment by environmental 438 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,440 factors. So where they're grown, that's like they say like I could I could take a cut of 439 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,560 Oreos, let's say I'm growing it here in Colorado, but then I give a homie a cut of Oreos in 440 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,040 Florida, they're probably going to smoke different, probably going to taste different, probably 441 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,960 going to smell different, even though it's the exact same thing. 442 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,560 It makes a big difference humidity, everything makes a big difference. One big thing we learn 443 00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,080 is if a bug attacks it brings out a lot of turps sometimes. So those outdoors with bugs 444 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,640 attacking could bring out different turps. 445 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,120 Yeah, yeah. Shout out Queen of the Sungrown. She was talking about that a little bit with 446 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:09,560 you know, pest pressure will bring out higher cannabinoid levels as well as trichome density 447 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,600 or content. So definitely something to consider there. And I've noticed it this year with 448 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:19,560 some of the grasshoppers, man, they just fucking do a number on the fan leaves in the back 449 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,920 on some of the outdoor. But the ones that are they're chewing on the most it seems like 450 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,120 the frost is just out of this world. I mean, it's so super frosty right now. It's crazy. 451 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,840 It's a natural defense mechanism, right? Yeah. So you say you like to grow all your personal 452 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,960 home stuff outdoors. Well, what about the flower factory? You're co-founder of the flower 453 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,760 factory. You do have commercial license. 454 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,320 I do. Well, just real quick, I do do some stuff indoors. My indoor cultivation method 455 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:51,560 is different than my outdoor cultivation method. So I'm not I'm not a indoor living soil organic 456 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:56,720 kind of guy. I'm going to try to jump into it a little bit. I might designate one room 457 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,560 for that. I got some some of the homies and the people are really into that scene and 458 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:05,680 I can get some good knowledge off of those guys. But for me, it's pretty much hydro indoors. 459 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:12,560 I'm hydro all the way indoors, outdoors, living soil, native soil, water only, no pH, maybe 460 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:18,840 some fish emulsion here and there. Over at flower factory commercially, we're hydro grow. 461 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,520 So for the commercial, it's a different different format, right? Just to make it. Yeah. And 462 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,800 I mean, you could pull it off. You can do it organically. You can do a living soil style. 463 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,360 It's just for us in the model that we're running. It's this is what works for us. But you got 464 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,200 to do that in the future. You mentioned to me. Yeah. Yeah. Mix it up a little bit for 465 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,000 outdoor. Yeah. Yeah. For like raised bed system, native soil. Yeah, exactly. All that stuff. 466 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:46,240 I'm going to get some ferments and do all that stuff like that. But when it comes to 467 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,720 the indoors in the greenhouse, warehouse, shipping containers, in our model, we're doing 468 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:57,600 it hydro style as much automation as we can. I still have to intervene on certain tasks 469 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:06,600 like transplanting, identifying certain deficiencies, scouting for pests, etc. But yeah, I'm trying 470 00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,880 to as much as I can automate with that, the easier it's going to be and it's going to 471 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:17,520 save us a ton of money on labor cost. You know, I think right now labor is like $20 472 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,920 an hour, which isn't a lot of money to live on. If you think about it, if you're coming 473 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:27,000 in as a laborer or 1099 employee, but that's stuff that you got to take into consideration 474 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,800 as a business owner, you know, is that, you know, your labor costs is going to eat you 475 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,160 up. If you're hand trimming, your labor costs is going to eat you up. Sure. The flower looks 476 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:41,280 good. Sure. It's going to have great eye appeal on the shelf, but what is your overhead? You 477 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,360 know, how much are you selling your packs for? These are all things you have to take 478 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,840 into consideration. What are the facts showing? What are the analytics showing? And let's 479 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,200 build the blueprint and the bulletin board from there. 480 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:59,240 Yeah. I know a lot of the tax implementations have changed the way that the legal market 481 00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:06,120 is and the quality from the grow to the shelf is different than what you can find at home 482 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:13,080 sometimes. It's just the facts. And that's why I encourage the home grow. Everybody should 483 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:19,000 home grow. But if they can't, yeah, then yeah, you got to go. You got to go get from a source, 484 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,640 right? And if, and preferably a legal source, if you're in a legal state, I mean, I mean, 485 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,680 yeah, I know there's people that are here in Colorado that still support the traditional 486 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,040 market and the black market much love and respect to those guys that are out there still 487 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,520 fighting the good fight. But if you've got a good, reliable legal source, like a dispensary 488 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,560 that is putting out quality flour, I would just hit them up and still support that, especially 489 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,240 if they're a mom and pop business or a small businessman. Like that's, that's who I would 490 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:47,960 be giving my money to me personally, versus trying to support like big corporate, you 491 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,960 know? And that's the good thing about where we are here at area 420 to bring it back is 492 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:58,020 that we are the largest mom and pop owned independent cannabis subdivision in the world. 493 00:39:58,020 --> 00:40:01,840 We do have some corporate companies out here operating. I mean, we're a massive subdivision, 494 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,240 but we also have a lot of mom and pops and a lot of these mom and pops are all cultivating 495 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:12,160 differently. They're either hydro, organic, I mean, this guy's growing in cocoa, pro mix 496 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:18,800 blends, build a soil blends, raised beds with earthworms and cover crops to full blown hydro, 497 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,840 deep water culture, et cetera. 498 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,480 So right now, if somebody was in the state of Colorado or somebody came to visit from 499 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,520 out of state, where could they find some of the flower factory products on the shelf so 500 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,480 they can support you as a small business owner? 501 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:36,960 So right now we've got pre-rolls, our purple punch pre-rolls are on the shelf at High Valley 502 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,860 Dispensary here in Moffitt, Colorado, AKA Cush, Colorado, 1143. And then we've also 503 00:40:42,860 --> 00:40:49,760 got a couple of other spots out on the Western slope. I don't know the names of those, but 504 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,360 they're in three shops over there. Our boy Wes is running the show over there for those. 505 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:59,680 We've got five pre-rolls for 20. And then we've got another shop getting ready to come 506 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:07,040 on board, Social Equity Dispensary in Denver. Shout out Green Remedy Denver on Instagram, 507 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,680 a couple owners there that are going to provide, I believe, this is what I've heard, nothing 508 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,040 but Area 420 flower. 509 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,640 And then we've got right next to us here on the right, the Area 420 train dispensary that 510 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,520 was just purchased in an agreement with Miracle Farms, both trains. And those guys are out 511 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,760 there walking it right now as we speak on the other side of the wall, looking to start 512 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,160 ripping stuff down and getting that moving this week. So a bunch of moving pieces right 513 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,560 now on top of the lodging out here for the construction project for the silo homes. 514 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,720 Good thing I'll be staying in them for sure. 515 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,300 Yeah, that'd be cool, man. Yeah, I know Mike's pretty stoked that you're out here doing this. 516 00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:48,120 We appreciate it, man. You're the dude that we need for this straight up. 517 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:52,720 So I want to come down and help you guys get as much publicity as you can. I'm the mom 518 00:41:52,720 --> 00:42:00,000 and pop supporter myself, small business, local economy goes right back into the economy. 519 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:08,360 And where or who do these dispensary owners or people who want to support you, where who 520 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520 do they need to get in contact to get some of your products onto their shelves? 521 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:19,120 Yeah, cool. So you can find us if you just type in Colorado Area 420 or Area 420 on Google. 522 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:24,960 It should pop up Flower Factory and that'll put you right to our Flower Factory address. 523 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,720 And then if you go to coloradoarea420.com at the bottom of that homepage on the home 524 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,960 interface, if you scroll down, you'll see Mike's phone number and Mike's name there 525 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,960 at the bottom. Give him a call. He's my business partner over at Flower Factory. It's Mike, 526 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:47,320 Matt LaTrina and myself. So there's three owners of that operation. And so Mike and 527 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,200 Matt are really kind of on the front end and handling sales as far as pushing that out. 528 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,120 I'm more of an operations guy from seed to harvest. And then I help out a little bit 529 00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,200 on the back end with some packaging here and there. But mostly you can find my office in 530 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,600 the greenhouse. I'm around plants for the most part every day unless I'm doing PR stuff 531 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,080 or stuff like this to kind of help push the brand. So yeah, give Mike a call. Colorado 532 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:17,160 Area 420.com. You can also reach out to us, Colorado Area 420 on Instagram and Area 420 533 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:22,040 on Facebook. Just look for the Area 420 logo or brand. Give us a like on Facebook, follow 534 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,240 on IG. We don't have a Twitter page up yet. I don't have a YouTube page yet, but I think 535 00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:30,200 we're going to link up. We're going to do some collaborations with Little Farmer over 536 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:35,080 here and he'll put that up on his new podcast coming out called Refer the Reefer. Is that 537 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,080 what the title is? 538 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:41,800 Reef the Reefer. Yes, sir. We're referencing cannabis usage, trying to make it public knowledge 539 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,320 on good consumption practices, what to avoid, what to use. There's a lot of new states out 540 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:53,480 there and a lot of curious people. And I just talked to Bill over here. He didn't start 541 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,960 consuming till he's in his 50s. 542 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,960 Wow. I didn't know that. 543 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:56,960 Oh, he's the only big consuming. 544 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:57,960 This is wild Bill we're talking about. Humboldt humidor. 545 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,960 Yeah. He hadn't been smoking his whole life. So, you know, it's like new users out there. 546 00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,960 As a butt tender, I've talked to hundreds of people from Texas and I try to give them 547 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:10,220 a little bit of a 548 00:44:10,220 --> 00:44:12,920 sense of what's going on in Texas. And I try to give them knowledge so they could take 549 00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,480 that knowledge back to Texas, talk to other people, get them to change their minds, get 550 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,440 their laws changed. You know, Texas, there's a lot of people, there's hundreds and hundreds 551 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,600 of people coming up to Colorado just to consume cannabis from Texas. 552 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,220 It's politics, man. Like you gotta like, as much as people hate it, they need to get involved. 553 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:35,240 And I'm not saying you got to get involved on the big level when it comes to red or blue, 554 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:39,000 like, you know, who you're voting for president wise or Congress and this and that, but you 555 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:43,400 should definitely be trying to get involved on who your local representatives are, who 556 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,000 that local municipality reps are. 557 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,040 One of the greatest things I love, it was talking to 60, 70 year old consumers from 558 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,240 Florida that never wanted, but they could come in for topical. They come in for a little 559 00:44:53,240 --> 00:45:00,760 edible CBD to sleep, you know, like point one gram of TAC with about 50 grams of, or 560 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,600 50 milligrams of CBD and knock them out. And they slept a full night and they haven't slept 561 00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,680 a night in a long time and they're believers now. 562 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,680 Yeah, that's awesome. 563 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:12,160 And then I can talk to their little communities of retirees and they're like, man, this cannabis 564 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:13,160 thing is awesome. 565 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,160 Word of mouth still spreads. 566 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,560 And then the next thing you know, the whole community is like telling their kids and remember 567 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,800 we told you cannabis was bad. Well, you know what? It really helps me for my arthritis 568 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,800 and dementia, appetite. 569 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:30,400 I think a lot of it too is what you read, what you read in the headlines. You know, 570 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,960 that's really, I feel like what shapes a lot of the, yeah, whatever you want to believe, 571 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,480 it really shapes the mindset of people. And back then, man, like you weren't reading a 572 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:42,520 lot of like positive literature or press on cannabis. You know, it was like who got busted 573 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,680 this week or like, and then like when there were cannabis busts, there was always like 574 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:52,440 other hard drugs affiliated with that. And so like, you still got that fucking the gateway 575 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,240 drug theory, you know, kind of being pushed at you. So it's nice to be able to see it 576 00:45:57,240 --> 00:46:03,480 now where it's like, you're seeing it in magazines. It's like, it's become, it's becoming normalized. 577 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,040 More celebrities coming out. 578 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,760 More celebrities. Oh yeah. They're jumping on board left and right. 579 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,800 And not worried about what people think are going to put in a tabloids about them. And 580 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,200 they're like, I don't give a shit anymore. 581 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:19,960 Yeah. It's, that's kind of an interesting thing too. That's probably never conversation, 582 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,560 but just like some of these celebrities that jump into the cannabis scene that have never, 583 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,440 I don't know, man. I kind of think of some of that stuff like being a culture vulture, 584 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,360 right? Like, yeah, man, like you weren't, you weren't a part of this culture in the 585 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,400 beginning. You weren't backing it when this shit was illegal or this wasn't the cool thing 586 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,840 to do. And now that it is, and like, you see like people are making some money off of this, 587 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,600 not everybody, but some people are that have established themselves and now they want to 588 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,720 jump in and like, I guess it's cool, more power to you. But it's like, I kind of look 589 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:52,200 at that like a culture vulture. Like you're just trying to pray off of a culture that 590 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,240 you've really never contributed to or really been a part of, but yet you see some type 591 00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:58,560 of monetary gain. 592 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:03,480 Yeah. I see it in California. The legacy growers are getting pushed out and are fighting back 593 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,120 in the same way you guys are here collaborating. I really appreciate you coming on here, Matt. 594 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,720 Dude, I appreciate you, man. This has been kind of a long one. I'm sorry to drag it out, 595 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:13,680 but you know, I love having you down. 596 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,640 The more information, the better for these newbies and also for doctors out there. I'm 597 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:22,080 my sister's a doctor. She wants to know more about it. She's like CBD. She won't do use 598 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:27,320 cannabis. She doesn't like THC, but she does like CBD. Yeah. And it is actually cannabis 599 00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:32,720 too. So she is a cannabis supporter now and she wants to know more about it. You know, 600 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:39,920 it's like she has CBD is the gateway. She has clients with epilepsy, children, seizures. 601 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,560 It's something that is really medically beneficial for them. 602 00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,320 Well, yeah, man, I'm stoked you had me on. I'm stoked you're down here and you're getting 603 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:53,160 all these interviews. I look forward to future ones and continuing to kind of collaborate, 604 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:59,480 push this thing forward and get the information to the people that deserve it, you know, and 605 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,840 that have deserved it for years. And it's nice to be able to talk about it now and to 606 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,840 continue to do what we're doing. 607 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,600 Yes, sir. All right. Thanks, buddy. 608 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:23,960 Take it easy. 609 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:39,640 Okay.